| --- | Log | opened Thu Aug 02 00:00:52 2012 |
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| 00:46 | <cryo> | oftc eh,,, |
| 00:46 | <cryo> | Well I've mver been here so let me introduce myself,,, |
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| 00:48 | <f0x90> | I'm f0x, security and I.R. are my world of knowledge. I have designed a portal with many resoures available to you, the user. http://xor.cx tons of free ebooks, music, articles, links |
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| 00:52 | <sney_> | this channel has most of the same helpers as the other #debian so we have already met, thanks, and please keep general chatter to #debian-offtopic even when this place is silent. it's a support channel only and we want to keep it that way |
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| 01:05 | <cryo> | anyone? |
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| 02:51 | <ThePerfectEnemy> | Hi all |
| 02:52 | <ThePerfectEnemy> | Anyone here with .deb package creation experience? |
| 02:53 | <Nemoder_> | !ask |
| 02:53 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:55 | <ThePerfectEnemy> | Well, I'm trying to create some packages to manage server configuration |
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| 02:56 | <ThePerfectEnemy> | Ideally I'd be able to run apt-get foo-env and replicate foo's environment on a new machine |
| 02:57 | <ThePerfectEnemy> | but there is some boostrapping involved because I need to add my own repo to sources.list (actually a new file in sources.list.d) |
| 02:58 | <ThePerfectEnemy> | so I have a bootstrap package which I can install via dpkg -i, and then i can install the core package via apt-get |
| 02:58 | <ThePerfectEnemy> | the problem is, after installing the bootstrap package, I still have to run apt-get update to pick up the changes |
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| 03:03 | <ThePerfectEnemy> | if I put this in the postinst script, I get an error because I'm unable to get the lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
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| 03:03 | <ThePerfectEnemy> | presumably because i'm in the middle of a package installation already |
| 03:04 | <ThePerfectEnemy> | Is there a proper way for a package to modify sources.list? Or is there a reason why this is a bad idea to begin with? |
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| 03:43 | <Ormie> | Empathy won't start. It does not show errors or anything. It just doesn't start. |
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| 04:15 | <dragondon_> | ok, just reinstalled 6.0.5, now I need to setup my video card, ATI6500HD....last time I looked into this there was some mixed signals (Use the ATI Howto/don't use it...) |
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| 04:34 | <J3K47> | hey guys |
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| 04:35 | <J3K47> | anybody can point me in a direction/channel best suited for slax questions? |
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| 04:37 | <petemc> | probably something like #slax on freenode |
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| 04:38 | <J3K47> | thanks petemc |
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| 04:46 | <themill> | ThePerfectEnemy: it sounds like you're trying to reinvent puppet |
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| 04:48 | <Calinou> | q66, O_o |
| 04:48 | <Stereo> | ThePerfectEnemy: or it sounds like you're trying to reinvent etckeeper and git pulling back and forth |
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| 04:51 | <J3K47> | would you guys kill me if i anyway posted my slax-related question here? really could use some help |
| 04:52 | <themill> | J3K47: ##slax on irc.freenode.net would be a better place. We can only help with debian here |
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| 05:35 | <Mixxit> | hey guys can anyone help me install openjdk-7 on debian 6.0.5 |
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| 05:44 | <hadret> | Mixxit: I'm not sure about openjdk, but you might try java-package to build official Oracle one |
| 05:44 | <Mixxit> | is that on apt? |
| 05:44 | <hadret> | yes, it will compile and build proper Debian package |
| 05:44 | <hadret> | http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage |
| 05:45 | <Mixxit> | hmm |
| 05:45 | <Mixxit> | E: Unable to locate package java-package |
| 05:45 | <hadret> | it's in contrib branch |
| 05:46 | <hadret> | have you got it enabled in sources.list? |
| 05:46 | <Mixxit> | i don't think so |
| 05:46 | <Mixxit> | i just see main and updates |
| 05:46 | <hadret> | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-contrib |
| 05:46 | <hadret> | here, read about contrib and decide whether you want to enable it |
| 05:46 | <Mixxit> | thanks |
| 05:46 | <gnugr> | ,v openjdk-7-jre |
| 05:46 | <judd> | Package: openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- wheezy: 7~u3-2.1.1-1; sid: 7~u3-2.1.1-3 |
| 05:47 | <Mixxit> | im on squeeze |
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| 05:47 | <gnugr> | ,v openjdk-6-jre |
| 05:47 | <judd> | Package: openjdk-6-jre on i386 -- lenny: 6b18-1.8.10-0~lenny2; lenny-security: 6b18-1.8.10-0~lenny2; squeeze: 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze2; sid: 6b24-1.11.3-2; wheezy: 6b24-1.11.3-2 |
| 05:48 | <hadret> | yep, no 7 there, I also checked backports, but no luck either |
| 05:49 | <Mixxit> | perhaps there's a reason for that? |
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| 05:50 | <themill> | it's a monster to backport and would take a lot of work |
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| 05:52 | <Mixxit> | ok thanks for all your help themill |
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| 06:21 | <hitman> | hai |
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| 06:21 | <hitman> | hai |
| 06:21 | <gnugr> | hi |
| 06:21 | <hitman> | progrmer? |
| 06:22 | <gnugr> | hitman:this is debian support channel |
| 06:22 | <gnugr> | hitman:if you need any help just ask |
| 06:23 | <hitman> | i am a first timer to ubuntu studio and Xchat. |
| 06:24 | <gnugr> | !ubuntuirc himan |
| 06:24 | <dpkg> | himan: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu |
| 06:24 | <gnugr> | hitman* anyway |
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| 06:58 | <nitalaut> | Is there any tool(client-server) for mass updating debian servers ? |
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| 07:00 | <themill> | puppet comes recommended by many |
| 07:02 | <nitalaut> | themill, I use puppet for config management but hot it can be used for my task ? |
| 07:02 | <nitalaut> | s/hot/how |
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| 07:03 | <nitalaut> | I understand that I can install software using puppet but it's the way I'd like to install updates |
| 07:03 | <nitalaut> | *it's not the way ) |
| 07:04 | <nitalaut> | because if I want to use puppet I'll have to create local repository and manually put updated version of software there and write puppet classes |
| 07:05 | <nitalaut> | not so good way |
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| 08:08 | <q66> | Calinou, what |
| 08:09 | <Calinou> | hi :p |
| 08:10 | <HHELLD> | Hi, All. How can I make runit (`SV:123456:respawn:/usr/sbin/runsvdir-start` in /etc/inittab) run before openvz (which is in dependency-based sysv init)? |
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| 08:46 | <dragondon> | need to expand my /tmp partition, this is a new setup, used Guided w/LVM, not sure which is the best tool to do this |
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| 08:48 | <HHELLD> | dragondon: the best tool would likely be something with gui :) |
| 08:49 | <dragondon> | HHELLD, indeed, care to narrow it down a bit? ;) |
| 08:49 | <HHELLD> | dragondon: no, sorry, I didn't use any gui myself so can't do more than the same `apt-cache search lvm gui` that you can |
| 08:50 | <dragondon> | HHELLD, ah, thanks. Haven't quite got to that comfortability with Linux. |
| 08:51 | <weasel> | dragondon: is your /tmp a tmpfs? |
| 08:52 | <dragondon> | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/25601555/ /tmp showing 3% free, can't install a program because the extraction keeps failing.... |
| 08:52 | <dragondon> | doh....3% in use? |
| 08:52 | <dragondon> | oook, so maybe the problem is elsewhere... |
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| 08:53 | <dragondon> | I'm getting "Extraction failed" when trying to install the ATI proprietary driver and running the ./amd*run file |
| 08:54 | <dragondon> | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/52dfdeef/ |
| 08:55 | <HHELLD> | dragondon: just tell it to extract to some other directory. |
| 08:56 | <dragondon> | Sounds like an interesting idea but according to crunchbanglinux.org (http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/15952/how-i-install-ati-drivers-on-crunchbang-statler-and-debian-squeeze/) the directions say it has to be done in the /root directory |
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| 08:56 | <andersoncb> | bom dia |
| 08:58 | <andersoncb> | preciso de um help |
| 08:58 | <andersoncb> | tenho um servidor com uma placa LSI Logic Megasas 2208 |
| 08:59 | <themill> | !br |
| 08:59 | <dpkg> | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 08:59 | <HHELLD> | dragondon: last time I tried some packaged ati driver worked well enough; anyway, the extraction target dir is some parameter to that ./ati*run thing |
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| 08:59 | <andersoncb> | ok thanks |
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| 09:00 | <dragondon> | HHELLD, yeah, moved it and running it now, going better with more space :) |
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| 09:04 | <dragondon> | HHELLD, I got to this point "cp: cannot stat `./usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/linux': No such file or directory" not sure which package I need to install |
| 09:05 | <HHELLD> | dragondon: in general case there-s `apt-file` for that; though in this case that `./` in the beginning is suspicious. |
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| 09:06 | <HHELLD> | dragondon: if that's what the installer says check above that line for some other error, perhaps. |
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| 09:06 | <dragondon> | HHELLD, this is the AMD driver for my ATI card |
| 09:06 | <dragondon> | HHELLD, I see a log of 'deprecated' lines. |
| 09:07 | <dragondon> | a lot* |
| 09:07 | <HHELLD> | dragondon: yes, and I'm assuming it is trying to copy that usr/X11R6 directory from its own directory tree into somewhere, but failing, likely because module compilation has failed (or for some worse reason) |
| 09:08 | <HHELLD> | dragondon: it might also be useful to google that error message first |
| 09:09 | <dragondon> | yeah, will give that a shot...if yer bored (heh), here's the whole output from fun to error: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c3b13c22/ |
| 09:10 | <HHELLD> | dragondon: note: you might assume that the whole problem leading to the last error you pasted has started with the first cp error in there (the `cannot stat `/home/catalyst12.6/fglrx-install.U7D2rl/x710_64a/*'`) :) |
| 09:10 | <dragondon> | HHELLD, yeah, saw that....still googling. |
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| 09:14 | <dragondon> | how can we tell when a particular package was installed? |
| 09:16 | <HHELLD> | dragondon: `dpkg -l package` (or `dpkg -l |grep packa`, more simply and more often) |
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| 09:21 | <dragondon> | this ended up being better: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list -lh | grep xserver-xorg-video-radeon (and I'm getting the hang of grep finally! yay!) |
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| 09:22 | <pm> | aaa |
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| 09:25 | <dragondon> | ugh, still lacking space no my root drive....wow... |
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| 10:02 | <magori> | hey can i get sql scanner |
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| 10:09 | <luca__> | ciao |
| 10:09 | <luca__> | ciao |
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| 10:40 | <apg> | hello |
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| 10:59 | <hendry> | I'm trying to uninstall iceweasel/iceape but apt keeps trying to force another browser on me https://gist.github.com/3237670 |
| 10:59 | <hendry> | help |
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| 11:00 | <hendry> | can i somehow maybe remove the www-browser dep? |
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| 11:01 | <Bireyn> | I might let it install iceweasel and then just uninstall it |
| 11:01 | <Bireyn> | might not be a good suggestion though |
| 11:01 | <hendry> | Bireyn: now it doesn't :( |
| 11:01 | <hendry> | gets even crazier when you try uninstall both https://gist.github.com/3237707 |
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| 11:02 | <themill> | dpkg: tell hendry about equivs |
| 11:02 | <themill> | hendry: when you use equivs and it breaks, you get to keep both pieces. (why not just use iceweasel?) |
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| 11:03 | <Bireyn> | iceweasel can cause some odd issues with websites that require certain browsers |
| 11:03 | <hendry> | oh, apt-get remove x-www-browser iceape galeon iceweasel konqueror libmozjs2d xulrunner-1.9.1 # works |
| 11:03 | <Bireyn> | cool |
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| 11:04 | <themill> | Bireyn: I've not had "odd issues with websites" with iceweasel that you don't also have with firefox in the last 4 or 5 years. |
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| 11:11 | <Bireyn> | odd |
| 11:11 | <Bireyn> | for me, the new gmail client won't load in iceweasel, but it will in firefox |
| 11:11 | <Bireyn> | calls it an "unsupported browser" |
| 11:12 | <themill> | That might be a recent change to gmail that affects iceweasel in squeeze; mozilla.debian.net has newer versions of iceweasel that would be fine |
| 11:12 | <themill> | (that's not an "iceweasel vs firefox" problem though, that's just version compatibility) |
| 11:13 | <kriger> | wget https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_i386.deb |
| 11:13 | <Bireyn> | oh I know it's a version compatibility thing |
| 11:13 | <HHELLD> | themill: just add ua changer addon, perhaps? |
| 11:13 | <Bireyn> | will probably end up using iceweasel on my desktop tonight |
| 11:13 | <themill> | HHELLD: not needed really |
| 11:13 | <blast007> | Gmail supports FF 4+, and iceweasel in squeeze is 3.5 |
| 11:14 | <Bireyn> | have to install squeeze on it |
| 11:14 | <themill> | dpkg: tell Bireyn about mdn |
| 11:14 | <HHELLD> | or not even addon, yes |
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| 11:14 | <Bireyn> | sweet, thanks for letting me know |
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| 11:21 | <mekt> | I'm trying to find packaged debug symbols to get a good backtrace. I know the library.so i need the symbols for. I know what package it is in. There is no package which has the same name but ends in '-dbg'. How could I find out which package if any has the debug symbols? aptitude search '-dbg~Dlibrarypackage' also is fruitless. |
| 11:22 | <weasel> | there might not be a debug package |
| 11:22 | <weasel> | you could rebuild the library with debug symbols yourself? |
| 11:22 | <weasel> | maybe just rebuilding the package with nostrip might be sufficient |
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| 11:24 | <mekt> | weasel: what is nostrip? |
| 11:25 | <weasel> | it's an option that some package builds accept to not strip out debug symbols after building |
| 11:29 | <mekt> | Presuming the symbols would be in a mirror type placement under /usr/lib/debug , there are none for this library. |
| 11:30 | <themill> | !nostrip |
| 11:30 | <dpkg> | When building packages, you should be able to use "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip dpkg-buildpackage" to leave debugging symbols in the binaries. Not all packages have a <debian/rules> that supports this option, but most will since <debhelper> supports this automatically; see <policy> §4.9.1 for details and consider filing a wishlist bug if the package doesn't do so and doesn't already create a -dbg package. |
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| 11:33 | <powpow> | hi there... question: |
| 11:33 | <powpow> | running an old etch-server because customer needs php4 |
| 11:33 | <powpow> | ... i know this is a very bad thing... |
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| 11:33 | <ompaul> | powpow: you have no idea how bad |
| 11:34 | <powpow> | this etch is setup as VZ-host inside debian lenny |
| 11:34 | <powpow> | is it possible to upgrade this vz-host to squeeze and continue operation of the etch-vt-guest |
| 11:34 | <powpow> | ? |
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| 11:35 | <powpow> | i really know its bad / just waiting for the hack... ;( |
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| 11:35 | <Apollo> | powpow: normally yes |
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| 11:37 | <powpow> | Apollo: thx! |
| 11:37 | <Apollo> | make suure you have backups |
| 11:37 | <powpow> | sure |
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| 11:38 | <powpow> | another question: is it sure that openVZ-support will be gone in debian-wheezy? |
| 11:39 | <Apollo> | wuh? |
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| 11:41 | <Apollo> | apparently so |
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| 11:41 | <Apollo> | thats what the release notes say anyway |
| 11:42 | <powpow> | Apollo: thx again |
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| 12:04 | <fathur> | hello all |
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| 12:38 | <maninblack> | Hello. Sorry for noob question :). Do I need install "Devecoot" on my Debian Squeeze server to send e-mails via CMS systems (Joomla, Drupal)? or it's enought to install Exim? Cheers |
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| 12:40 | <pparadis> | maninblack: http://library.linode.com/email/exim/send-only-mta-debian-6-squeeze |
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| 12:40 | <pparadis> | maninblack: you do not need to install dovecot. |
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| 12:43 | <maninblack> | Thanks. Apriciate your help. Courious why there is no brute force attacks reported before Dovecoot is installed (on nev IP) but after dovecoot is installed attacks starting to appear. I'm tested this situation on few cloud servers and every time the same scenario. |
| 12:43 | <pparadis> | dovecoot is not a package. dovecot is. |
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| 12:44 | <maninblack> | ok :) |
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| 12:44 | <pparadis> | and there are assuredly brute force attacks (i presume you're referring to ssh) happening anyhow. any server that sites live on the net for more than a couple of minutes is prone to such probes. they're automated. |
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| 12:44 | <pparadis> | s/that sites/that sits/ |
| 12:44 | <retrospectacus> | dovecot listening indicates "mail server" which ppl try to exploit to send more spam |
| 12:45 | <pparadis> | indeed, botnets will hit common ports and try to abuse mail servers, proxy servers, get root via ssh, etc. |
| 12:46 | <pparadis> | and some botnets are nice enough these days to sit scan 65K ports for the hell of it, simply because "hey, it's not their computing resources being abused, so why not" |
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| 12:49 | <AlexLikeRock> | were repor a bug of KDE ? |
| 12:49 | <AlexLikeRock> | i have a video with the bug |
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| 12:49 | <pparadis> | AlexLikeRock: https://bugs.kde.org/ || http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 12:50 | <AlexLikeRock> | tanks :) |
| 12:51 | <maninblack> | There is any security recommendation to update debian kernel from 2.6.32-5 to 2.6.32-39 for web server use? |
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| 12:53 | <babilen> | maninblack: Check yourself (defn ^IndexWriterConfig index-writer-config "Create an IndexWriterConfig." [] (IndexWriterConfig. *version* *analyzer*)) |
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| 12:54 | <babilen> | maninblack: Err, that wasn't the right thing :) -- I meant to paste http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/ |
| 12:54 | <maninblack> | could you send me some link so i can learn about. |
| 12:54 | <maninblack> | OK thanks |
| 12:54 | <maninblack> | So I'm assuming that I should upgrade? :) |
| 12:55 | <babilen> | maninblack: You are in particular looking at http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/linux-2.6 -- It should be noted that more or less every single update to the stable release of Debian is important, which is due to the definition of "stable". |
| 12:55 | <babilen> | !stable |
| 12:55 | <dpkg> | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 13:03 | <cygal> | hello, since the support of my graphics card has been removed from fglrx (r600), I've decided to use radeon |
| 13:03 | <cygal> | I'm on a laptop, my card is "Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV630 [Mobility Radeon HD 2600]" |
| 13:03 | <cygal> | everything works fine but the laptop makes a lot of noise, due to the fans |
| 13:04 | <cygal> | CPU is in powersave mode |
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| 13:05 | <cygal> | the archlinux page on ATI recommands using "echo low > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_profile" to ask for better power management |
| 13:05 | <cygal> | but /sys/class/drm only contains "ttm" and "version" |
| 13:05 | <cygal> | any idea? |
| 13:06 | <babilen> | cygal: Did you install firmware-linux-nonfree? I am not particularly sure if you need that for power management, but I would at least make sure that you have it. Likewise for libgl1-mesa-dri (3d acceleration), but that is a seperate issue. Trying a newer Xorg and kernel version might also help and could provide the configuration option you are after. See "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" and "/msg dpkg bdo xorg" |
| 13:07 | <cygal> | I did install both indeed |
| 13:07 | <cygal> | and I forgot to mention that I run sid, and have done so for a few years now |
| 13:07 | <cygal> | will do the appropriate /msg, thanks |
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| 13:08 | <babilen> | cygal: I am not entirely sure what provides the configuration option you mentioned and you might want to double-check in #radeon on irc.freenode.net -- All that being said: It is likely that it boils down to a newer kernel version which you can install from backports. |
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| 13:08 | <cygal> | I'm using 3.2 |
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| 13:09 | <babilen> | cygal: Did you install that from backports or are you using something different than Debian Squeeze (i.e. stable) |
| 13:09 | <cygal> | I'm using sid |
| 13:10 | <cygal> | don't worry too much for now, I'm going to try to understand what dpkg says to me |
| 13:11 | <babilen> | cygal: Alright -- You are welcome in #debian-next in that case (channel for testing/unstable) -- #radeon is most likely worth a try for this issue though and the factoids I mentioned earlier are geared towards users who track stable and not testing or unstable. |
| 13:11 | <cygal> | okay |
| 13:11 | <cygal> | sorry for the confusion, and thanks for the kind help! |
| 13:12 | <babilen> | cygal: I'll ping if I find more details, but I don't know this from the top of my head. |
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| 13:22 | <maciej_> | hi |
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| 13:55 | <aravind> | hi |
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| 13:56 | <maciej_> | aravind: hi |
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| 14:43 | <ubuntu-studio> | huhuhuuu |
| 14:43 | <retrospectacus> | !ubuntuirc ubuntu-studio |
| 14:43 | <dpkg> | ubuntu-studio: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu |
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| 14:43 | <ubuntu-studio> | danke |
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| 14:45 | <Guest1628> | test |
| 14:45 | <Guest1628> | why cant i have a nickname? |
| 14:45 | -!- | Guest1628 is now known as TheOneKai |
| 14:45 | <TheOneKai> | oh |
| 14:45 | <retrospectacus> | !congratulate TheOneKai |
| 14:45 | <dpkg> | Good show TheOneKai, you did it! |
| 14:45 | <TheOneKai> | kai was taken |
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| 14:46 | <TheOneKai> | back on debian |
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| 14:56 | <TheOneKai> | Huh, Wine doesn't seem to be working. :/ |
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| 15:36 | <AlexLikeRock> | finally i sumit the bug :-) |
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| 16:51 | <arokux_h> | a stupid question, here in the table: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=gcc-4.4&suite=wheezy&compact=compact&comaint=yes there is a ✔ next to amd64, when I click on old in this row, however, there is not a 4.4.7.1 version there, only older ones. why then there is a tick?? |
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| 16:54 | <wald0> | i dont see anything about the harfbuzz freedesktop lib in debian, not even in ubuntu, is there any reason that is not packaged ? |
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| 16:59 | <wald0> | where i can found info about this ? |
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| 17:02 | <arokux_h> | wald0, is it packaged for other distributions? |
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| 17:02 | <daemonkeeper> | arokux_h: Because Debian Wheezy is frozen. |
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| 17:03 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, so what? there is a log with building for i386. |
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| 17:04 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, maybe it's because this is the version that was uploaded to the unstable once, so it wasn't rebuilt? |
| 17:04 | <arokux_h> | I'm trying to investigate this bug, that's why I'm asking: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=676733 |
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| 17:06 | <daemonkeeper> | arokux_h: First, that package is arch:all and thus not built on buildds. Moreover, I wonder: what do you mean? There is no newer version than gcc 4.4.7-1 in any branch. |
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| 17:06 | <wald0> | wheezy is frozen ? uh, i just noticed that, since when ? |
| 17:06 | <daemonkeeper> | Since June ... |
| 17:07 | <ExodusC> | Hi all. I'm having some trouble getting apache2 set up properly on my Debian box (I just upgraded to Squeeze). I'm not sure where to ask for help. I've been Googling for the past hour or so |
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| 17:07 | <retrospectacus> | ExodusC: you can ask here, go ahead please |
| 17:08 | <ansgar> | arokux_h: The maintainer did upload the amd64 binaries. So there is no log from the buildds for the amd64 arch. |
| 17:08 | <arokux_h> | ExodusC, clarify your problems, and check logs in /var/log/apache2 |
| 17:08 | <arokux_h> | ansgar, how do you know that? |
| 17:08 | <daemonkeeper> | There is no log. |
| 17:08 | <ExodusC> | I successfully got apache2 installed via apt-get, and I can tell it's working when I attempt to access my server's IP (it's a dedicated box in a datacenter) as I get an Apache error page, however it's just throwing a 403 Forbidden errror no matter what I do |
| 17:08 | <daemonkeeper> | Also packages.debian.org tells you. |
| 17:08 | <ansgar> | arokux_h: There is no long and you can check http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gcc-4.4.html (follow the link in the center). |
| 17:09 | <ansgar> | s/long/log/ |
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| 17:09 | <ansgar> | If you follow the Accepted link, you get to http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gcc-4.4/news/20120313T190308Z.html which shows the maintainer did upload amd64 binaries. |
| 17:10 | <arokux_h> | ansgar, ok, cool. thanks. |
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| 17:11 | <retrospectacus> | ExodusC: look in /var/log/apache2/error_log , it'll tell you what's going on |
| 17:11 | <arokux_h> | ExodusC, check logs in /var/log/apache2/ |
| 17:11 | <arokux_h> | :) |
| 17:12 | <ExodusC> | error.log is just throwing "[error] [client ip] (13)Permission denied" |
| 17:12 | <ExodusC> | I checked, and /var/www, which I understand to be the default apache directory is owned by the apache user |
| 17:12 | <arokux_h> | ExodusC, normally there is also a reason. |
| 17:13 | <retrospectacus> | Permission denied: ???? < normally there is a filename there |
| 17:13 | <ExodusC> | ah, oops, okay |
| 17:13 | <arokux_h> | also, does it work from the host where apache is installed? |
| 17:13 | <ExodusC> | It is saying it's a file permissions problem but |
| 17:13 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, another stupid question, how do I know what is the default toolchain for building wheezy and sid? |
| 17:13 | <ExodusC> | denied: file permissions deny server access: /var/www/index.html |
| 17:14 | <ExodusC> | arokux_h: I'm not sure, it's a headless box that I'm SSH'ing into |
| 17:14 | <ExodusC> | Also forgive my limited GNU/Linux and Debian knowledge in general |
| 17:14 | <arokux_h> | ExodusC, so what? do wget localhost |
| 17:14 | <retrospectacus> | ExodusC: run "wget localhost" to test that |
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| 17:14 | <arokux_h> | :DDD |
| 17:14 | <daemonkeeper> | arokux_h: http://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/gcc-defaults |
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| 17:14 | <retrospectacus> | ExodusC: does the file /var/www/index.html exist? what permissions? |
| 17:15 | <ExodusC> | Okay. wget localhost also is getting 403 Forbidden thrown |
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| 17:15 | <ExodusC> | retrospectacus: Yes, it exists |
| 17:15 | <ExodusC> | Okay interesting, every file within /var/www is owned only by root it looks like |
| 17:15 | <ExodusC> | I swear I chown'd the whole directory over to apache |
| 17:15 | <daemonkeeper> | www-data you may mean. |
| 17:16 | <Sicelo> | chmd 755 /var/www/ |
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| 17:16 | <Sicelo> | *chmod |
| 17:16 | <daemonkeeper> | No. |
| 17:16 | <ExodusC> | II have no www-data directory, just /var/www |
| 17:16 | <daemonkeeper> | The owner should be www-data I meant. |
| 17:16 | <retrospectacus> | ExodusC: all my files in /var/www/ are also owned by root, works fine |
| 17:17 | <daemonkeeper> | That's the user Apache runs at by default. |
| 17:17 | <ExodusC> | Which from what I understand is apache's default directory for the root directory of the acual webserver |
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| 17:17 | <retrospectacus> | ExodusC: the user/group is "www-data" not "apache" |
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| 17:17 | <daemonkeeper> | retrospectacus: Depens on the actual permissions. But yes, root works, generally speaking, depending on your umask. |
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| 17:17 | <Sicelo> | daemonkeeper: my permissions aren't correct? |
| 17:17 | <ExodusC> | Okay well, I chown'd it over to www-data and restarted apache, but no dice |
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| 17:18 | <daemonkeeper> | Sicelo: Giving everyone permissions one does not need is never the correct answer. |
| 17:18 | <ExodusC> | Is there some kind of problem in one of my apache configuration files or something? |
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| 17:18 | <retrospectacus> | ExodusC: might as well make a paste at http://paste.debian.net of "ls -la /var/www" |
| 17:19 | <scientes> | daemonkeeper, your telling me i shouldn't chmod -R 777 / ? ;) |
| 17:19 | <retrospectacus> | ExodusC: maybe, did you mess with them? |
| 17:19 | <Sicelo> | interesting. i've always 'known' that the dir has to be chmod 755, and the files 644 |
| 17:19 | <daemonkeeper> | scientes: Well, if you did, you'd regret :> |
| 17:20 | <ExodusC> | retrospectacus: It appears it didn't change the files within the directory to www-data when I chown'd the directory |
| 17:20 | <ExodusC> | but I can post the output |
| 17:20 | <retrospectacus> | ExodusC: shouldn't matter |
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| 17:20 | <daemonkeeper> | Sicelo: Which is wrong. You just "fix" your problems by effectively disabling most file permission limitations to users |
| 17:21 | <daemonkeeper> | Works, but is a bad idea. |
| 17:21 | <ExodusC> | retrospectacus: http://paste.debian.net/181761/ |
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| 17:21 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, ok.. that helped a bit. what is the default version of binutils? looking here: http://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/binutils it's 2.22-6.1 so this is used for the default toolchain too? |
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| 17:21 | <Sicelo> | how do you normally assign permissions for your /var/www/ ? |
| 17:22 | <arokux_h> | -rwx--x--x 1 root root 93 Mar 18 02:44 index.html |
| 17:22 | <arokux_h> | ExodusC, chmod +r index.html |
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| 17:23 | <retrospectacus> | ExodusC: yeah apache can't read that file |
| 17:23 | <ExodusC> | arokux_h That worked |
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| 17:23 | <daemonkeeper> | arokux_h: You can find out yourself. Just pick your favorite package at packages.debian.org: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/binutils |
| 17:23 | <ExodusC> | Is there a simple way to have all files within a subdirectory be set with the proper permissions? Assuming I add new ones via FTP or something of the sort |
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| 17:24 | <daemonkeeper> | Set a umask on your FTP server. Or even better, don't use FTP. |
| 17:24 | <retrospectacus> | ExodusC: shouldn't have to do anything, but ''man umask'' |
| 17:24 | <daemonkeeper> | !ftp must die |
| 17:24 | <dpkg> | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 17:24 | <retrospectacus> | friends don't let friends use FTP |
| 17:24 | <scientes> | http is better |
| 17:24 | <ExodusC> | No, no sorry |
| 17:24 | <scientes> | or sftp/ssh |
| 17:24 | <Sicelo> | how do you normally assign permissions for your /var/www/ ? .. daemonkeeper |
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| 17:24 | <arokux_h> | retrospectacus, how can http be used in the file manager? |
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| 17:25 | <ExodusC> | I was only going to push files to the server via FTP |
| 17:25 | <ExodusC> | I'm actually doing this so I can share them via http |
| 17:25 | <retrospectacus> | arokux_h: I didn't say anything about HTTP... |
| 17:25 | <Sicelo> | ExodusC: there's sftp/scp |
| 17:25 | <retrospectacus> | HTTP for serving, SFTP for uploading |
| 17:25 | <daemonkeeper> | Sicelo: You don't need to, /var/www is installed by Apache. Files within there should be readable by www-data only (not considering scripts on multi-home environments) |
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| 17:26 | <retrospectacus> | ExodusC: using FTP for anything at all is bad (read the FTPmustDie rant) |
| 17:26 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, I can check the version in this way, but who said this is the version used for the default toolchain... |
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| 17:27 | <Magic94> | so I tried installing Debian 6 on my HP Server TC4100 but everytime i try to format the SCSI Disks it fails. |
| 17:27 | <retrospectacus> | Magic94: what fails and how |
| 17:27 | <Sicelo> | thanks daemonkeeper |
| 17:27 | <arokux_h> | retrospectacus, ok.. right. but nevertheless, how would you download files served by http in a file manager? |
| 17:27 | <Magic94> | If I want to create a Partition Table the system crashes |
| 17:27 | <ExodusC> | Well, I can figure out a more secure way to upload files once I have this all figured out. I'm not sure what useful information I was supposed to glean from the umask manual however... I guess I will google it |
| 17:27 | <Magic94> | the installation do not give more Information |
| 17:27 | <arokux_h> | Magic94, how do you do that? |
| 17:28 | <retrospectacus> | arokux_h: well, with a browser, or wget. Who uses file managers anymore? |
| 17:28 | <arokux_h> | retrospectacus, "any more" funny... |
| 17:28 | <daemonkeeper> | arokux_h: Well, the default toolchain is whatever /usr/bin/<yourtool> points to. That's a link in most cases, with the exception of gcc (which is provided by gcc-defaults as you saw). Non-default tools are in /usr/bin/<youttool>-<x.y> |
| 17:28 | <retrospectacus> | jk.. yes ofcourse file managers can't "paste" to a http location. *shrug* |
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| 17:28 | <Magic94> | normal graphical installation. I want to use the entire HDD but if he tries to format the disks he says it's failed. |
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| 17:30 | <retrospectacus> | ExodusC: your umask determines the inital permissions of created files. |
| 17:30 | <arokux_h> | Magic94, I see. I would select expert install and use the menu item "Drop to shell" just after the error and will "cat /va/log/syslog" and paste the error here |
| 17:30 | <Magic94> | i try |
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| 17:30 | <retrospectacus> | ExodusC: turn off FTP and use scp (cp over ssh) |
| 17:31 | <ExodusC> | retrospectacus: In regards to umask, I grasped that, I'm not sure how it operates though. |
| 17:32 | <arokux_h> | !umask |
| 17:32 | <dpkg> | The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permission. Ask me about <umask example>, <set default umask>. |
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| 17:33 | <retrospectacus> | ExodusC: just enter the "umask" command... if it says 0022 you should be fine |
| 17:33 | <kai__> | I would really like filezilla to remember last ip username and password |
| 17:33 | <ExodusC> | Yes, it does |
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| 17:36 | <retrospectacus> | ExodusC: well I'm not sure why your index.html file was 711 but if you create another file (echo blah > /var/www/test.html) it should have 644 (which is 0100-0022 but you don't need to care too much about that) and be browsable (wget localhost/test.html) |
| 17:36 | <retrospectacus> | err 01000 |
| 17:36 | <ExodusC> | Yes, that was browsable |
| 17:37 | <ExodusC> | I have no idea why the permissions would be messed up in the first place |
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| 17:37 | <ExodusC> | But I guess they were |
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| 17:38 | <arokux_h> | you should have made a mistake here: <ExodusC> I swear I chown'd the whole directory over to apache |
| 17:39 | <ExodusC> | well, it didn't seem that happened in the first place, as it was still owned by root only- at least that's what it looked like |
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| 17:41 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, ansgar how to know which toolchain was used by a DD who uploaded a package gcc-4.4.7.1 (amd64) to the unstable. where do they normally build packages on their local machines? |
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| 17:42 | <ribe> | wonder why they asked Multimedia to quit using the name debian? |
| 17:42 | <daemonkeeper> | The default toolchain, unless manually overridden in the rules file for good reason, arokux_h. |
| 17:42 | <ribe> | isnt deb the same? |
| 17:42 | <daemonkeeper> | arokux_h: Also, Debian packages MUST build using the default toolchain. |
| 17:43 | <daemonkeeper> | If they don't, this qualifies for a RC bug which you found out yourself, given you linked #676733 |
| 17:44 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, right. but the developer has managed to build it! so I'd like to compare toolchains... |
| 17:44 | <daemonkeeper> | Look at the build logs. |
| 17:44 | <daemonkeeper> | They tell you about toolchain versions used. |
| 17:45 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, I have build logs only from the bugreport |
| 17:45 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, I have no idea where DDs build logs are... |
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| 17:46 | <daemonkeeper> | https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php?pkg=gcc-4.4 |
| 17:46 | <daemonkeeper> | e.g. https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=gcc-4.4&arch=i386&ver=4.4.7-1&stamp=1331678136 |
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| 17:47 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, i need logs for amd64. they are not there.. since the binaries were uploaded by a DD |
| 17:47 | <daemonkeeper> | There are none. |
| 17:47 | <daemonkeeper> | Not public that is. |
| 17:47 | <daemonkeeper> | buildd only holds logs which are built there, DDs must upload one arch themselves. |
| 17:48 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, yes.. I know, that's why I'm asking *if* I can get DDs logs... |
| 17:48 | <daemonkeeper> | No, you can't. No DD is forced to make them, after all. But you could use snapshot.debian.org to make a time-frozen rebuild. |
| 17:49 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, where do DDs normally build? |
| 17:49 | <daemonkeeper> | On their local machines. |
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| 17:49 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, time-frozen rebuild <--- what's that? :$ |
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| 17:50 | <daemonkeeper> | Well, you rebuild the gcc-4.4 source package with the archive state which was in Debian at a random point in time. |
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| 17:50 | <daemonkeeper> | See http://snapshot.debian.org/ for a corresponding sources.list. |
| 17:51 | <daemonkeeper> | You pick the upload date and rebuild the package. That gives you a log. |
| 17:51 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, you mean I could rebuild it on my machine? |
| 17:51 | <daemonkeeper> | Yes. The result should be equivalent to the state, the DD used to upload his package. |
| 17:51 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, ah.. no, it won't work, my pc is 7 years old. |
| 17:51 | <daemonkeeper> | Doesn't matter. |
| 17:52 | <daemonkeeper> | As long as your machine supports AMD64 that is. |
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| 17:52 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, I mean it will be slow...... |
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| 17:53 | <daemonkeeper> | Probably. |
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| 17:54 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, you mean I should do smth like this? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/20 |
| 17:55 | <arokux_h> | I wonder why buildd.debian.org isn't building from source packages for *all* architectures...... |
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| 17:55 | <daemonkeeper> | Yes, but in a chroot frozen at the package's upload date. You get that by using http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/$yourtimestamp/ as mirror. |
| 17:55 | <daemonkeeper> | arokux_h: That's not trivially possible. |
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| 17:56 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, hm... why not? what are binaries for one arch giving you? or you use them to build for other archs? |
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| 17:58 | <daemonkeeper> | arokux_h: There are arch:all packages which aren't buildable by Debian's buildd network. These must be uploaded by the DD currently. Essentially this means, a DD must upload a packages for one arch at least. |
| 17:58 | <daemonkeeper> | It is planned to throw away binary packages at some point. |
| 17:59 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, what is arch:all? |
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| 18:00 | <daemonkeeper> | Architecture independent packages which are shared among all architectures. |
| 18:00 | <daemonkeeper> | Typically -common packages containing text and image files and such. |
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| 18:01 | <arokux_h> | ah, ok. that's familiar to me. but gcc does not belong to arch:all! |
| 18:01 | <daemonkeeper> | gcc does. gcc-4.4 doesn't. |
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| 18:02 | <daemonkeeper> | Well, actually gcc is not either, but that's mostly a fake arch-dependent package. |
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| 18:04 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, ok, so arch:all is probably not what I was thinking of. i thought it's only something that lands (normally) under /usr/share. but now you tell me it could be under /usr/bin too... ? |
| 18:04 | <daemonkeeper> | Sure. Think of scripts for example. |
| 18:05 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, well, ok. but gcc-4.4 is a compiler -- a binary?! |
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| 18:06 | <daemonkeeper> | gcc-4.4 is not arch:all, it is an architecture dependent package. But /usr/bin/gcc is provided by another package. |
| 18:06 | <themill> | (which is also arch:any) |
| 18:06 | <daemonkeeper> | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gcc http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gcc-4.4 Look at the "Source: ...." link |
| 18:07 | <daemonkeeper> | themill: Yes. To have architecture dependent defaults. |
| 18:07 | <themill> | indeed |
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| 18:08 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, my original question was why should a DD upload binary for some arch? (in the case with gcc-4.4 a DD uploaded amd64-binary) |
| 18:09 | <daemonkeeper> | And I told you: Because DDs must do so. |
| 18:09 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, "must" is not an answer :) |
| 18:10 | <olasd> | it is |
| 18:10 | <olasd> | DDs have to upload the binaries for one architecture together with the source, the archive software rejects source-only uploads |
| 18:10 | <olasd> | s/one/at least one/ |
| 18:11 | <daemonkeeper> | Although I do not think any DD is bored enough to build more than one arch :> |
| 18:11 | <engla> | what's the reason that this is required? |
| 18:11 | <arokux_h> | olasd, I see. but why are binaries for at least of one arch needed by buildd? |
| 18:11 | <daemonkeeper> | engla: arch:all packages for example :) |
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| 18:11 | <themill> | some do, but not many |
| 18:11 | <engla> | daemonkeeper: not a reason to require a build |
| 18:11 | <themill> | engla: also proves that the thing actually builds on at least one arch prior to upload |
| 18:11 | <themill> | engla: there's no infrastructure for building arch:all packages |
| 18:11 | <daemonkeeper> | engla: It is. Debian's buildd/dak network is a complicated beast. |
| 18:11 | <engla> | oh really, I didn't know |
| 18:11 | <engla> | themill: sounds like it should be easy to fix |
| 18:12 | <daemonkeeper> | It isn'.t |
| 18:12 | <themill> | engla: which arch are you going to build the arch:all package on? |
| 18:12 | <engla> | any |
| 18:12 | <themill> | engla: fail |
| 18:12 | <daemonkeeper> | themill: On the "all" arch of course! |
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| 18:12 | <engla> | fail yourself |
| 18:12 | <themill> | engla: arch:all only says "can be installed on all archs" not "can be built on all archs" |
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| 18:13 | <themill> | engla: you are right that this is a silly situation and there is on-going work to change this. The work has been on-going for 3 or 4 years (perhaps more) |
| 18:13 | <engla> | so, are there any examples where this actually complicates things? |
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| 18:14 | <arokux_h> | themill, ok, so the source of the arch:all-like package should be uploaded, then built for each arch by arch-toolchain...? |
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| 18:15 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, making sure i'm going into correct direction. can this be used to create a chroot with snapshot.debian...: http://wiki.debian.org/sbuild or you recommend smth else? |
| 18:16 | <daemonkeeper> | arokux_h: Yes, build setting up sbuild is more complicated than you need. Just use debootstrap and chroot into the directory you used to bootstrap Debian. Therein follow instructions you linked. |
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| 18:18 | <daemonkeeper> | s/build/but/ |
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| 18:23 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, which suite should I use? sid? |
| 18:23 | <daemonkeeper> | Yes |
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| 18:30 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, I wonder I dare to build as root, or better not? |
| 18:31 | <daemonkeeper> | Packages are not built as root, but you need to enter the chroot as root. |
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| 18:38 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, I have: deb-src http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian//20120513T213540Z sid main in my sources list, but I get: E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| 18:39 | <daemonkeeper> | in which sources.list did you add that? |
| 18:40 | <daemonkeeper> | debootstrap sid sid-chroot http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian//20120513T213540Z should do all you need. |
| 18:40 | <arokux_h> | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:40 | <arokux_h> | yes, I've did exactly this. |
| 18:40 | <arokux_h> | done* |
| 18:40 | <dragondon> | when unmounting the root partition (in order to resize it bigger), do I have to do this from a live cd? |
| 18:41 | <retrospectacus> | dragondon: yes, more or less |
| 18:41 | <arokux_h> | it probably want's "apt-get update" after adding deb-src, but... Get:1 http://snapshot.debian.org sid InRelease [233 kB] |
| 18:41 | <arokux_h> | E: Release file for http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian//20120513T213540Z/dists/sid/InRelease is expired (invalid since 74d 2h 16min 21s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
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| 18:41 | <arokux_h> | s/want's/wants |
| 18:42 | <arokux_h> | dragondon, are you using LVM? |
| 18:42 | <dragondon> | retrospectacus, thanks. Essentially I have to take some space away from home and give it to root. Yes, LVM |
| 18:42 | <daemonkeeper> | arokux_h: Did you read all instructions on snapshot.d.o? I don't think so. |
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| 18:42 | <dragondon> | arokux_h, yes |
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| 18:43 | <keaza> | Hey, doesnt anyone know the command where on a live cd where i can get into root |
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| 18:43 | <keaza> | i know its like su -i but i cant remeber the last bit |
| 18:43 | <dragondon> | keaza, man su? |
| 18:44 | <arokux_h> | keaza, just "su" |
| 18:44 | <keaza> | I did it asks for a password |
| 18:44 | <arokux_h> | keaza, so you need to supply it ;) |
| 18:44 | <keaza> | its a live cd |
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| 18:44 | <keaza> | it has no passwrd |
| 18:44 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, yes, sorry for annoying you. |
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| 18:46 | <arokux_h> | keaza, try this: sudo passwd root to setup your root password |
| 18:46 | <retrospectacus> | keaza: you're thinking of "sudo -i" I think |
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| 18:47 | <arokux_h> | keaza, ah.. you can just push enter, maybe the password is blank |
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| 18:47 | <dragondon> | keaza, this might help, its a little older post: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=20378 |
| 18:48 | <keaza> | i did sudo -i but it didnt work hey ho |
| 18:48 | <dragondon> | it mentions retrospectacus suggestion |
| 18:48 | <arokux_h> | keaza, did su <ENTER> helped? |
| 18:48 | <keaza> | Thanks for you help arokux_h :) |
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| 18:49 | <dragondon> | ok, LVM....what is the best method for shrinking /home and expanding /root? Will a live CD work with my LVM just fine? |
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| 18:50 | <arokux_h> | dragondon, (I'm very new to LVM) in theory it should work without unmounting... so without live cd. |
| 18:51 | <dragondon> | arokux_h, maybe I'm just using the wrong tool? I trying to use the System-config-lvm but when I try to shring /home it wants it to be unmounted |
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| 18:52 | <arokux_h> | dragondon, as I said I'm very new to LVM, so sorry cannot help your any more |
| 18:52 | <arokux_h> | s/your/you |
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| 18:53 | <arokux_h> | dragondon, hm.. maybe for shrinking you should unmount.. but for expanding no... |
| 18:53 | <dragondon> | arokux_h, thanks any ways :) |
| 18:53 | <arokux_h> | dragondon, but you could easily unmout home without rebooting |
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| 18:54 | <dragondon> | arokux_h, will give that a shot |
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| 19:13 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, in the installed and chrooted system pty is broken.. first I get The system has no more ptys. Ask your system administrator to create more. Then adding devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 to fstab and running mout I get expect: pty_termios: system configuration problem: ttyname() failed: Bad file descriptor |
| 19:13 | <daemonkeeper> | arokux_h: Sure, there is no /dev. |
| 19:14 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, should i mount-bind it from host? |
| 19:15 | <daemonkeeper> | You can mount devpts explicitly. |
| 19:15 | <daemonkeeper> | But bind mount might do it as well. |
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| 19:16 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, do I need /dev/pts only, or the whole dev? I'm just afraid to broke my host... |
| 19:16 | <arokux_h> | break* |
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| 19:16 | <daemonkeeper> | The former, the latter works and is not an immediate risk, but yes, it is a security risk. Having that said, you use that package already, and there is not much reason to distrust that package. |
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| 19:17 | <daemonkeeper> | Or rather: not to trust it less than you did already. |
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| 19:18 | <daemonkeeper> | Note, if you mount devpts only, it could be you'd need some more bits, e.g. /dev/null. |
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| 19:19 | <sungetzu> | Hi guys, how do i find out what bit userland i'm using? i.e 64 or 32 |
| 19:20 | <arokux_h> | suiside_, run uname -a |
| 19:20 | <arokux_h> | sungetzu ---^ |
| 19:20 | <daemonkeeper> | arokux_h: That's wrong. |
| 19:20 | <daemonkeeper> | arokux_h: uname gives the _kernel_ architecture. It says nothing about the user land. |
| 19:20 | <sungetzu> | user land, even* |
| 19:21 | <daemonkeeper> | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 19:21 | <dpkg> | armeb |
| 19:21 | <daemonkeeper> | bad dpkg. :p |
| 19:21 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, kernel can be different?! |
| 19:22 | <sungetzu> | i386 guys |
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| 19:22 | <daemonkeeper> | arokux_h: Sure. It was common and feasible to run a amd64 kernel with a i386 userland. |
| 19:22 | <arokux_h> | ok.. |
| 19:22 | <sungetzu> | probably explains the ./nvidia-installer 'not found' problem... |
| 19:23 | <daemonkeeper> | arokux_h: That gave you the benefits of AMD64 (e.g. the memory allocation) but you had no troubles with non-free crap like -^ |
| 19:23 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, will sbuild setup a *working-out-of-the-box* chrooted system for me? or will it do smth else? I'm doing too much work with debootstrap... |
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| 19:23 | <sungetzu> | daemon, what would you suggest? |
| 19:23 | <daemonkeeper> | arokux_h: Yes, but setting up sbuild is a bit complicated. pbuilder is a bit easier. |
| 19:23 | <ryao> | daemonkeeper: People still do that. System Rscue CD uses a 32-bit userland on a 64-bit kernel. |
| 19:24 | <daemonkeeper> | sungetzu: [01:21] <daemonkeeper> dpkg --print-architecture |
| 19:24 | <daemonkeeper> | ryao: Yes, but it is probably not (so) common anymore. |
| 19:24 | <ryao> | It is a LiveCD distribution. |
| 19:25 | <daemonkeeper> | ryao: I meant: These days most software runs fine and native on AMD64. For your live CD the reason is probably size. |
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| 19:25 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, i'd like the tool, that can most. can sbuild more then pbuilder? |
| 19:25 | <ryao> | daemonkeeper: The size is the reason as far as I know. |
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| 19:26 | <daemonkeeper> | arokux_h: Both is used by actual DDs |
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| 19:35 | <sungetzu> | Is there anyway to run a 64 bit user land as-well-as a 64x kernel? |
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| 19:40 | <petemc> | sungetzu: file /bin/bash |
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| 19:49 | <arokux_h> | daemonkeeper, thanks for help, i'm giving up for today. |
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| 19:59 | <keaza> | Hi there, right im having a issue with grub, all of a sudden grub has gone and vanished. i have tried grub-install /dev/sdb but it gives me the output -bash grub-install command not found |
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| 20:07 | <rudi_s> | keaza: Install grub-pc. |
| 20:08 | <rudi_s> | (And binaries don't go just missing, you must have uninstalled it.) |
| 20:08 | <keaza> | I didnt. |
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| 20:08 | <rudi_s> | Well, somebody did. |
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| 20:09 | <keaza> | im currently using a live cd via usb |
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| 20:10 | <rudi_s> | A live-CD? Why do you need grub for a live-cd? |
| 20:10 | <keaza> | I dont, the hard drive has a installation on it |
| 20:10 | <gotmynick> | just joining but live-systems use to use syslinux |
| 20:10 | <keaza> | but the drive wont boot becuase of grub errors |
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| 20:14 | <dragondon> | Greetings all! Got both my ATI driver installed and got my volumes resized :) It's funny, took quite a while for things to start making sense but slowly getting there :) |
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| 20:14 | <arokux_h> | dragondon, cool |
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| 20:15 | <dragondon> | Now, I want to setup compiz (hey, got a decent card, 6Cores and 8GB of ram, gonna make good use of it!) Next : learning how to create an xorg.conf |
| 20:15 | <arokux_h> | I wonder why bug pages are looking so ugly, is it on purpose? meta information could be put in table, for example... |
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| 20:17 | <dragondon> | arokux_h, agreed, I get rather turned off because there is a ton of seemingly useless data presented. Guess it's made for debugging guys and not people 'just wanting to fix things' |
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| 20:18 | <dragondon> | Here's another....why does the Xorg wiki give you instructions on to reconfigure your keyboard?? |
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| 20:19 | <arokux_h> | dragondon, you mean why it does NOT give? |
| 20:20 | <gotmynick> | fluxbox, at much maybe xcompmgr (shadows, animation delay, etc), no more effects needed here |
| 20:20 | <dragondon> | no, I don't get why they say 'here's now to configure your keyboard' when I am in a wiki talking about an x windows server? Maybe I still don't get the 'x window server' concept fully yet?? |
| 20:21 | <gotmynick> | vi .fluxbox/keys |
| 20:21 | <gotmynick> | shortcuts are kewl |
| 20:21 | <dragondon> | ah, found my xorg.conf :) |
| 20:22 | <arokux_h> | dragondon, X isn't only your graphic card |
| 20:22 | <gotmynick> | drivers! like in redmon. Modules. Fonts. Features. etcs... |
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| 20:23 | <dragondon> | arokux_h, so it would seem....ever since installing Debian this time, I have learned much more...not that I want to keep installing OS'es to learn every day... |
| 20:23 | <gotmynick> | my touchpad is not the same with evdev as with synaptics |
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| 20:26 | <gotmynick> | installing different distribution, you may learn about compilation options, distro policies, packaging and dependency management |
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| 20:26 | <dragondon> | gotmynick, heh, let me get used to ONE OS before I start trying to wrap my brain another all the other flavours :) |
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| 20:26 | <gotmynick> | xterm is the same in every place as soon as xterm --version matches :) |
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| 20:27 | <gotmynick> | s/--/-/ |
| 20:27 | <gotmynick> | or $XTERM_VERSION |
| 20:28 | <gotmynick> | you don't need more than ONE OS, and such OS is Debian |
| 20:28 | <gotmynick> | =) |
| 20:29 | <dragondon> | to restart my x window session, I saw instructions to open another console as root, "/etc/init.d/gdm3 stop" and start again? |
| 20:29 | <gotmynick> | if your session starts from gdm3, right, else fail. |
| 20:29 | <gotmynick> | I use to use exec startx |
| 20:30 | <gotmynick> | and have a shortcut to exit my window manager |
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| 20:30 | <gotmynick> | mmm stop and start, Vs "restart" ? |
| 20:31 | <gotmynick> | old school gdm used to have a restart option |
| 20:31 | <gotmynick> | oh, he "stopped" |
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| 20:54 | <dragondon> | ok, compiz is working fine :) |
| 20:54 | <dragondon> | Now, how to add more work spaces, the instructions I found don't apply (preferences under worspace switcher don't have any option to add) |
| 20:55 | <gotmynick> | I use to use wmctrl |
| 20:56 | <dragondon> | thanks gotmynick , gonna give that a shot now |
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| 20:56 | <gotmynick> | at least in fluxbox it works |
| 20:57 | <gotmynick> | wmctrl -n 2 # 2 work spaces |
| 20:57 | <gotmynick> | wmctrl -n 8 # 8 work spaces |
| 20:58 | <gotmynick> | usually it is done in the WM or desktopManager configuration |
| 20:59 | <gotmynick> | .fluxbox/init -> sessions.screen0.workspaces: 4 |
| 20:59 | <dragondon> | gotmynick, figured it out, thanks :) Found the ssettings in compiz |
| 21:00 | <gotmynick> | compiz: just another battery waster (tm) |
| 21:01 | <Jzebus> | have to agree, never understood the attraction of the fancy window stuff |
| 21:02 | <dragondon> | on a laptop, sure, on a desktop with 6Cores and 8GB Ram, not so much ;) |
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| 21:03 | <Jzebus> | I've "8" cores and 16GB but don't see the point |
| 21:03 | <gotmynick> | it adds "effects" |
| 21:03 | <Jzebus> | yeah, which help me by, erm.... |
| 21:03 | <dragondon> | call them frivolities. |
| 21:03 | <Jzebus> | I'm kidding a little because I use compiz with transparency on my netbook but not my PC |
| 21:03 | <dragondon> | 'because it's there' |
| 21:04 | <dragondon> | :) |
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| 21:04 | <Jzebus> | ...the transparency actually helps make up for the tiny screen |
| 21:04 | <gotmynick> | I use xcompmgr on some desktop (effects, shadows, etc) |
| 21:05 | <gotmynick> | transparency... after some years using it, now I prefer a solid background terminal |
| 21:05 | <gotmynick> | compiz was cool in 2006 |
| 21:06 | <Jzebus> | transparency lets me have a terminal up and still read a web page behind it, for example |
| 21:06 | <gotmynick> | if you pass many hours reading terminals, a solid background is really better (for your eyes) |
| 21:06 | <Jzebus> | of course, for work and on my PC it's green on black |
| 21:06 | <gotmynick> | not a issue whit workspaces, 24", many machines/screens, etc |
| 21:07 | <Jzebus> | that's the thing, on my PC where I can afford the overhead I don't need it because I have two screens |
| 21:07 | <Jzebus> | need more screens though |
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| 21:08 | <gotmynick> | 1920x1200 one screen really helps |
| 21:09 | <dvs> | ??? not 1920 x 1080? |
| 21:09 | <Jzebus> | yeah, I've a 1920*1200 24" and an old 1280*1024 21" |
| 21:09 | <dvs> | oh I guess that works for 16:10 |
| 21:09 | <gotmynick> | 1920x1200, intel iMac, 24", debian amd64 since the first day |
| 21:09 | <Jzebus> | 16:10 rules |
| 21:10 | <Jzebus> | ah, Mac, nah mine's an old iiyama |
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| 21:10 | <Jzebus> | need more screens for VMs though |
| 21:10 | <gotmynick> | also I've 1280x1024 machines, 1024x768 laptops and a 10" eeepc |
| 21:11 | <gotmynick> | workspaces, shortcuts, and maximice_vert, maximice_horiz are great helpers on any environment |
| 21:11 | <Jzebus> | I really ought to get a pair of 19" monitors |
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| 21:11 | <gotmynick> | like tiling window managers, but I don't use it still |
| 21:11 | <woden> | Where may I download the netinst.iso for sid? thanks. |
| 21:11 | <gotmynick> | woden, there aren't |
| 21:11 | <gotmynick> | you can download the weekly installer |
| 21:12 | <gotmynick> | and then upgrade to sid |
| 21:12 | <gotmynick> | there are installer versions that request for the version you want the install |
| 21:12 | <gotmynick> | but I don't have any url at hand |
| 21:12 | <woden> | gotmynick, where are those installer versions? |
| 21:12 | <gotmynick> | someone ? |
| 21:12 | <Jzebus> | I tend to install Sid by installing testing then changin my sources.list and dist-upgrading |
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| 21:13 | <Jzebus> | ...remembering to not install any extra packages at all before the dist-upgrade |
| 21:13 | <gotmynick> | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q:_How_can_I_install_sid_.28unstable.29_with_DebianInstaller.3F |
| 21:13 | <rpgdude> | what do i need to do to build an i368 package on a amd64 system? |
| 21:14 | <rpgdude> | the package is multiarch |
| 21:14 | <gotmynick> | the bussines card one |
| 21:14 | <dvs> | no such thing ;-P |
| 21:14 | <sney> | woden: http://deb.li/sidfaq |
| 21:14 | <rpgdude> | er i386 |
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| 21:15 | <woden> | lol that says to go stable -> wheezy -> unstable |
| 21:15 | <woden> | i'm just going wheezy -> unstable |
| 21:15 | <Jzebus> | wheezy is stable? |
| 21:16 | <gotmynick> | no, but it's frozen, no transitions expected |
| 21:16 | <Jzebus> | ah, sorry, yes, not yet |
| 21:16 | <gotmynick> | rpgdude, never did it, but firs result: http://www.kirya.net/articles/build-i386-packages-on-amd64/ |
| 21:16 | <gotmynick> | it uses pbuilder or cowbuilder |
| 21:17 | <gotmynick> | meybe they just pass "something" to dpkg |
| 21:17 | <Jzebus> | do you need to chroot to build 32 bit on 654 bit? |
| 21:18 | <rpgdude> | i thought you didnt need a chroot anymore with multiarch |
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| 21:18 | <sney> | #debian-next knows a lot more about multiarch |
| 21:18 | <Jzebus> | I'd naively thought the compiler might take options to limit to 32 bit or you could perhaps call the 32 bit compiler? |
| 21:19 | <gotmynick> | dpkg-builpackage has a -aarchitecture option |
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| 21:24 | <Jzebus> | yeah, looks like dpkg-buildpackage is built with other architectures in mind, unsurprisingly |
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| 21:25 | <woden> | in my /etc/apt/sources.list what do I put instead of wheezy if I want to dist-upgrade to unstable? |
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| 21:26 | <gotmynick> | "unstable" or "sid" |
| 21:26 | <Jzebus> | If you want to go to Sid then Sid |
| 21:26 | <dvs> | !iyhtays woden |
| 21:26 | <dpkg> | woden: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 21:26 | <nevyn> | !sid upgrade |
| 21:26 | <dpkg> | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
| 21:26 | <gotmynick> | hehe right about iyhtays |
| 21:27 | <Jzebus> | I have to point out that I had more problems with testing than Sid |
| 21:27 | <Jzebus> | ..it's true multiarch is currently broken and no WINE but packages go missing in testing |
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| 21:28 | <gotmynick> | all depends on transitions |
| 21:28 | <gotmynick> | I'm currently happy with my testing machines |
| 21:28 | <Jzebus> | I was happy with testing, but packages went missing from the repos |
| 21:28 | <dvs> | I only have testing on my laptop right now. |
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| 21:29 | <Jzebus> | I might have to go back for 32bit support and WINE though |
| 21:29 | <morpheu> | alguem tem o repositorio do noip para ubuntu |
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| 21:35 | <dylan> | hola |
| 21:35 | <dylan> | hello |
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| 21:36 | <dvs> | !next |
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| 21:40 | <dvs> | !ding |
| 21:40 | <dpkg> | methinks ding is a dictionary, http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/ding/ |
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| 21:45 | <gotmynick> | perl -e 'use Time::HiRes qw/usleep/;$|=1;@chars=(0,1," ");print "\033[1;32m";while(1){print $chars[int(rand(@chars))];usleep(500);};' |
| 21:45 | <gotmynick> | who needs cmatrix ? |
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| 23:40 | <jay|2> | Hi, I am having some trouble getting GRUB to work properly |
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| 23:47 | <jay|2> | I have the following partition scheme: { sda1:[Windows7 NTFS 60GB] sda2:[Data FAT32 200GB] sda3:[/boot 300MB ext2] sda4:[extended] sda5:[/ 15GB btrfs] sda6:[/tmp 5GB btrfs] sda7:[swap 5GB] sda8:[/home 20GB ext4] } I am trying to keep the Win7 bootloader and use it to chainload GRUB. I have copied the first 512 bytes of the boot partition to my Windows partition at C:\boot\linux.bin - then i used |
| 23:47 | <jay|2> | bcdedit to create a new entry pointing to this in windows bootloader. The entry appears on boot but I am getting an error from GRUB. What am I doing wrong? |
| 23:49 | <jay|2> | I do have GRUB installed in sda3 |
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| 23:52 | <Ormie> | windows. -.- |
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| 23:55 | <jay|2> | i only want to use win bootloader because windows overwrites the MBR every upgrade |
| 23:55 | <jay|2> | Can anyone help me? |
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