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00:00<bones_was_here>no idea how to solve that so i'd suggest a usb stick with grub and /boot on it which you plug in when you want to boot debian
00:01<jay|2>i want to use debian as my primary os
00:02<bones_was_here>windows vm ?
00:02<jay|2>i would prefer not to. i think the problem has to do with how grub is integrating with debian, since windows chainloads to it okay
00:02<bones_was_here>if your windows is just for games, consider using XP, which (once the SP's are applied) shouldn't touch the MBR
00:05<jay|2>i want to keep windows mbr so i can upgrade windows in the future without overwriting grub
00:06<jay|2>i have windows bootloader right now, it is giving me both the option to boot to windows and debian. when i select debian i get a very generic error from grub and my mobo starts trying to boot from network for some reason
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00:07<jspiros>I cannot for the life of me figure out why transmission-daemon is experiencing "Too many open files" errors when I've added a line to /etc/security/limits.conf that should increase the limit
00:07<jay|2>Would this have to do with my method of copying the first 512 bytes of my grub install (dd from boot partition) to linux.bin and telling windows to boot from that?
00:08<jay|2>should i try dd'ing the entire /boot partition into linux.bin?
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00:09<jay|2>then i would have to repeat that process any time i run update-grub...
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00:13<cowdog>hello morphis
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01:13<SnapALoop>Never drop your cell phone again. Avoid Costly Mistakes. Watch the video its cool. Ill say anything .. click the link so I can send my kids to college... Actually all I want is a beer.. Just click it.
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02:04<simonlnu>well, it's spam, but at least the dude is honest
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03:21<wang>someone here?
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03:24<wang>somebody write a word?
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03:27<roughnecks>a word
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04:38<mrfree>hi all
04:38<mrfree>I've a prob with a pptp vpn
04:39<mrfree>I've configured it using network-manager (I'm under gnome)
04:39<mrfree>all works well
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04:39<mrfree>I can ping and connect to lan webservers via tunnel
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04:40<mrfree>but the connection simply dies (modem hangup) just after I try to start a ssh session
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05:13<arokux2>are there logs of the irc chat anywhere?
05:17<Maulkin> ?
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05:19<arokux2>Maulkin, thanks!
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05:48<arokux2>I wonder if the format of bug reports looks ugly on purpose. the information at the top could be put in a table instead using ";" as a delimiter.
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05:51<themill>arokux2: the bugs.d.o people are very responsive to patches. A little style and gloss on the pages would be most welcome.
05:51<arokux2>themill, that's what I wanted to know. If it's not on purpose then smth could be done about it.
05:52<themill>it will have originated in the "everything is an email" mentality in debian
05:52<themill>so these are pseudo-rfc822 headers
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07:12<sungetzu>trying to install nvidia drivers; but i need to disable nouveau. Any ideas?
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07:13<babilen>sungetzu: They are blacklisted automagically
07:13<babilen>!nvidia dkms
07:13<dpkg>For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Run "update-initramfs -u" and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia legacy>.
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07:14<babilen>sungetzu: Recommended and complete installation instructions for squeeze ^^^^
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07:19<babilen>sungetzu: "The NVIDIA way" is neither supported nor encouraged by us. If you have problem with the procedure detailed in the factoid above you should paste relevant output/errors to along with other information on your system. (See "/msg dpkg bat" for inspiration)
07:20<babilen>sungetzu: There is also no need to /msg or /query me ...
07:20<sungetzu>Noted. Sorry for the PM.
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07:25<babilen>sungetzu: I am willing to help you with "the Debian way", but I need more information about the problems you run into. Please note that you can install newer versions from backports (along with newer Xorg or kernel), but I have no idea what you are trying to achieve and what problems you are facing.
07:26*babilen should also note that lunch time is approaching rapidly ;)
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07:46<sret>had a basic cpu/memory question thingy
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07:47<sret>the frequency is the rate at witch the cpu loads instructions from memory correct
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07:48<sret>alrightbut it lods decodes and executes instructions, maybe through a pipeline, but instructions take different time to execute
07:48<sret>if you take the longest running instruction , and you load decode execute it, what happens to the next instruction if it's decoded before yours is finished?
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07:50<sret>this is for x86 i eman
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07:51<HHELLD>sret: AFAIK frequency is more relevant to tacts (per second), and different CPU instructions take different amount of tacts to complete. (I suspect there's a more correct term than tacts); of course, after all the optimizations it's somewhat approximate.
07:52<sret>HHELLD: for x86
07:52<sret>HHELLD: yes, what if you feed instructions that takes most time to complete, the cpus uses those tacts to complete them before executing another
07:53<sret>without considering out of order execution
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07:55<HHELLD>sret: perhaps; I don't know much more about that. (also, another term for searching: clock cycles)
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07:56<HHELLD>(also )
07:58<sret>i dont mean measuring it
07:58<HHELLD>sret: I don't mean it as a specific answer for you; just more relevant and possibly helpful general information
07:58<sret>ok that didnt help though, thanks
07:59<sret>the article talks about measuring it and thats not what ima sking
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08:00<sungetzu>babilen, you mentioned about any problems regarding the "the Debian way"; i used dpkgs method of installing nvidia drivers using dkms. But I'm getting some problems: Here's my xorg.conf
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08:03<babilen>sungetzu: Did you read the error message? In particular "Your GeForce 9600 GT graphics card does not have the necessary external power cables attached; X will not start unless this is rectified. […]" is very explicit.
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08:05<babilen>sungetzu: Didn't we discuss the /msg and /query thing already? ;)
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08:05<sungetzu>Believe me, i checked the log out. I even took a look inside my tower; everything seems intact
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08:06<babilen>sungetzu: Is everyhting connected as it should be? Are you absolutely sure that the power cable is attached to your card as detailed in its documentation?
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08:08<gmarseliss>guys, what would it take to produce white papers about debian? if i wrote one, what publication would you accept as valid?
08:09<gmarseliss>for example, i have been looking for a "why debian" white paper for a year now
08:09<gmarseliss>not many citations, which is what the boss wants
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08:09<gmarseliss>but today it dawned on me: there are no citations cuz this is not an academic endeavor; it's live, on the web
08:10<themill>gmarseliss: the wiki is probably the place where that stuff would end up
08:10<gmarseliss>well, i was thinking like a paper in login;
08:10<gmarseliss>or lisa12
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08:10<gmarseliss>or supercomputing or something
08:11<gmarseliss>something that can establish Debian as a valid OS outside the domain of those who "just get it"
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08:11<Maulkin>gmarseliss: Which country are you in?
08:11<gmarseliss>right now? saudi arabia. why?
08:12<Maulkin>gmarseliss: Ok, which country do you normally reside in? :)
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08:13<gmarseliss>Maulkin: I am Greek, I graduated from the US in 2000 and I have been globetrotting ever since: US, Greece, UK, Japan, Saudi Arabia? I don't quite have a country I reside in. Right now, I reside in Saudi Arabia
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08:13<Maulkin>gmarseliss: Heh, ok. You could do something at RIPE or ARIN or something?
08:14<gmarseliss>it's all themill 's fault, of course. he told me to take this job.
08:14<gmarseliss>um, do?
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08:14<Maulkin>gmarseliss: present a paper
08:15<gmarseliss>sure. i'd go.
08:15<Maulkin>gmarseliss: Or just do it at DebConf.
08:15<gmarseliss>that as well.
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08:15<Maulkin>Or LCA, or OSCon... :)
08:15<gmarseliss>but it needs to be in "respectable" publications. like login; or communications of the ACM or something
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08:16<Maulkin>IEEE may have something.
08:16<gmarseliss>Maulkin: sure. sorry, by the way, what is LCE?
08:16<gmarseliss>good idea
08:16<Maulkin>LCA = Linux Conf Austrailia
08:16<gmarseliss>down under is a bit far and expensive...
08:16<themill>I guess gmarseliss is thinking of something where it's not "preaching to the converted"
08:16<Maulkin>If you speak, they can pay your trip.
08:16<gmarseliss>what themill said
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08:17<Maulkin>The British Computer Society have a jornal.
08:17<gmarseliss>heh. BCS. they only accept papers from their members
08:17<Maulkin>Then become a member for your £30 or something :)
08:17<Maulkin>(Though I haven't bothered myself)
08:18<gmarseliss>i need two more masonsH^H^H^Hmembers to guarantee for my credentials
08:18<gmarseliss>but yeah, you got a point
08:18<Maulkin>Is there one in Saudi?
08:18<gmarseliss>nah. tech and geekdom in saudi arabia is just budding
08:19<gmarseliss>there's an HPC conference here, but it's HPC only by name
08:19<gmarseliss>it's mainly HP and IBM telling you why you should buy from them.
08:20<gmarseliss>i think themill put it the best.
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08:20<gmarseliss>i wanna write something where beancounters can get it and sheep at the thought of "savings"
08:21<themill>gmarseliss: the problem with writing a scholarly article on "why debian" is that it's mostly subjective and/or you can't do it without putting down other distros. You say "CentOS security support lololol" they say "DSA1571/DSA1574 lololol" you say "We believe in freedom" they say either "you ship whatever udev RHEL gives you" or "so what".
08:21<gmarseliss>i'm sorry, i just googled FEANI. wha are you talking about that european federation of national engineers?
08:22<gmarseliss>themill: i know, lots of eggshells. but it's not totally impossible
08:22<gmarseliss>Stefano Zacchiroli did something similar here:
08:23<gmarseliss>i am going through his notes as we type
08:23<Maulkin>This is probably better being asked in #debian-devel...
08:23<gmarseliss>i will take it there, then. thanks!
08:24<Maulkin>Or perhaps on
08:24<Maulkin>Probably the latter :)
08:25<Maulkin>gmarseliss: Start a wiki page and post it to -project asking for help filling it in :)
08:25<themill>gmarseliss: I think a lot of people would love to see this happen; getting people to actually work on it would be difficult.
08:25<gmarseliss>indeed. i mean i did an advertisement for debian here but i think i am not being very objective.
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08:25<project2501a>hm. forgot to change name
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08:25<themill>Maulkin: a reasonably large portion of publishers would reject something already on the wiki as prior publication...
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08:26<project2501a>what themill said. this needs to be a no-prior art thing.
08:26<themill>but the publishing cabal has lots of structural problems that need sorting</offtopic>
08:26<Maulkin>I mean something like wiki.d.o/PlacesToGoTalkAboutDebian
08:26<project2501a>that's another topic, indeed.
08:26<Maulkin>Or similar
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08:31<themill>ahh, yeah, that would be a good thing to have too
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08:32<themill>There's a list of publications based on debian and publications citing debian somewhere too
08:33<project2501a>themill: what should i google for?
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08:36<project2501a>not bad; but it needs more beancountery
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08:37<themill>I'm sure you could pay Gartner to come up with some mythical numbers just like everyone else does
08:38<arokux2>themill, I wonder why some projects like debian-live create their separate websites?:(
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08:42<project2501a>blends do not quite exist any more.
08:43<arokux2>project2501a, what have superseded them?
08:43<themill>sure they do
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08:44<project2501a>i thought they just became teams within debian
08:44<project2501a>maybe i am wrong
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08:47<arokux2>Debian's web presence is a mess to me ( there is a website, wiki, alioth, and separate websites for some projects..
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09:34<douma>hi all
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09:40<jonathan_>How can I limit the upload size of my users dynamically, depending on their username they are using (users are authenticated with an htpasswd file)
09:40<jonathan_>USing APACHE
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09:42<jonathan_>Anyone expert of Apache HTTPD here ?
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09:48<Cor3>jonathan_: hmm, i think you need quota
09:48<Apollo>Cor3: quota is for filesystem usage
09:49<Cor3>i knoow
09:49<Apollo>Then why suggest it? Since it's completely unrelated to his problem
09:50<Apollo>jonathan_: do you want to limit the size of the uploaded document dynamicaly?
09:50<dragondon>ok, call me confused, I've added my username to the sudoers files (while I was root) and yet the username still can't access any sudo commands
09:50<Apollo>dragondon: did you open a new session?
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09:50<dragondon>as in a new console? alt-f2?
09:51<Apollo>Basically: yes
09:51<Cor3>jonathan_: google apache upload limit?
09:51<dragondon>I opened a terminal, type su, entered in root pw, and then edited. Kinda confused that wouldn't work...
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09:51<Apollo>dragondon: for that to work, the user needs to reload his privileges
09:52<Apollo>which is done by opening a new session
09:52<Apollo>sudo won't work in the same session as the one you did the editing in
09:52<dragondon>ok, so last time I opened a new session, I wasn't able to get bac...what's the key stroke to get back to the original gui session?
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09:52<Apollo>also: it's suggested not to add users to the sudoers file, but to add them to the sudo group
09:52<Apollo>dragondon: waah?
09:53<dragondon>ah, I was thinking of that too
09:53<Apollo>I don't understand what you mean with your last question
09:53<Apollo>jonathan_: could you explain your predicament a bit more please?
09:54<dragondon>I can hit Alt-F2, open a new console, type in all the required commands....then what?
09:54<Apollo>Are you in a GUI right now?
09:55<Apollo>Alright, so what's the problem exactly?
09:55<Apollo>you close the terminal you did the commands in
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09:55<Apollo>and open a new one
09:55<dragondon>I've setup a VM so that I can play with Debian there (as opposed to the main debian system I am using now) so if anything breaks, I don't have to worry about it :)
09:56<dragondon>wait....terms, terms....a new CONSOLE or a TERMINAL WINDOW. Need to be clear on that.
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09:57<Apollo>terminal window
09:57<dragondon>ok, done
09:57<dragondon>did that
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09:57<Apollo>sudo should be working fine now
09:58<yser>anyone have any experince in wordpress and apache2 on debian?
09:58<Apollo>yser: yes
09:58<dragondon>Apollo, ok, got it, thanks.
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10:07<yser>Apollo: This is my case; iv installed everything needed for hosting wordpress i hope, when there isn´t a wp-config.php in the root dir.. and i access wordpress from another pc via the web.. i get to the "let´s create a config.php"-page.. and when it´s created i press "let´s install" but i get an 324 (net::ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE): from chrome and i can not acceses any files after that..
10:07<yser>Apollo: but, if i delete the config.php.. i get back to the create-config.php-page
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10:08<Apollo>yser: tried following the install guide on
10:09<yser>ill have a look at it
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10:10<Apollo>yeah, that might be a good idea...
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10:12<yser>where are that instructions anyway?
10:14<babilen>yser: I would also strongly recommend the read the README.Debian[.gz] of wordpress (/usr/share/doc/wordpress*/README.Debian*)
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11:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:40<su>comedme laa polla
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12:00<retrospectacus>tony: hi
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12:01<tony>how are you
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12:03<retrospectacus>tony: great! Do you have a debian question?
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12:43<davst12>hi all
12:44<davst12>I am trying to find and download a specific version of wheezy.
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12:45<davst12>Linux version 3.2.0-2-amd64 (Debian 3.2.14-1) ( (gcc version 4.6.3 (Debian 4.6.3-1) ) #1 SMP Fri Apr 6 05:01:55 UTC 2012
12:45<davst12>anyone know where I can get it?
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12:54<live>hi, i'm trying to figure out how to get a /dev/dsp installed correctly so it can be used by an old program... any suggestions on how to do this properly? tried alsa-oss and this doesn't resolve it
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12:56<xaionaro>< davst12> anyone know where I can get it? -- you need "3.2.14-1" not "3.2.21-3"?
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12:57<davst12>and where can I donload that from?
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12:57<xaionaro>davst12: You can build it.
12:57<davst12>actually, I don't quite understand your response.
12:58<davst12>trying to reproduce an error on it with OUR software. Not sure I want to embark upon a building adventure.
12:58<davst12>unless I have to.
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13:04<ing>live: oss-compat installs modprobe rules for OSS compatible devices
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13:09<xaionaro>davst12: The nearest version that I found is "3.2.18-1".
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13:24<live>thanks ing, you nailed it on the head
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13:30<davst12>Ok, xaionaro....
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13:30<davst12>Where can I get it?
13:31<davst12>That might work.
13:32<sney>davst12: did you load the 'snd-pcm-oss' module to create /dev/dsp?
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13:36<davst12>I understand the verbs in your sentence....
13:36<davst12>I am just looking for an iso
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13:38<sney>davst12: an iso? why? that module is already present on a stock debian system.
13:38<sney>oh, sorry, I mixed you up with someone else's question
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13:40<sney>davst12: the 3.2.0-2 kernel can be found at I don't think snapshot keeps any installers though.
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14:27<SynrG>there's something fundamental i don't understand about NM and system-wide connections. all i want to do is have NM manage two permanent at-home system-wide connections and the rest of the time not require administrator privileges to join a "foreign" network. yet somehow NM always prompts for the administrator password
14:27<SynrG>ECHANNEL, sorry, this is a wheezy/sid gnome3 question
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14:41<Fighter747>somehow one way or another I managed to get this error when I try to run Synaptics Package Manager:
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14:43<Fighter747>anyway to repair this?
14:44<Fighter747>if not, I'll just have to reinstall debian again
14:44<retrospectacus>Fighter747: in root terminal: apt-get update; apt-get -f install -- if you get errors please make a paste here
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14:45<Fighter747> server not found
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14:49<jona-tan>hey retrospectacus, Fighter747 here
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14:52<retrospectacus>jona-tan: hm, what is the output of ''file /var/lib/dpkg/status''
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14:53<Fighter747>it's pretty long, hold on
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14:58<jona-tan>i had to cut some parts of it off
14:58<jona-tan>actually, I just cut the parts that seemed the most relevant and pasted it, retrospectacus
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14:59<retrospectacus>no idea what this is
14:59<retrospectacus>jona-tan: what is the output of ''file /var/lib/dpkg/status''
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15:00<jona-tan>root@debian:/home/jonathan# file /var/lib/dpkg/status
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15:00<jona-tan>/var/lib/dpkg/status: UTF-8 Unicode English text, with very long lines
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15:02<retrospectacus>Fighter747: "apt-get update" produces ?
15:02<jona-tan>if all else fails, is there a way to restore Debian?
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15:02<Fighter747>well, one iteration of it
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15:04<retrospectacus>Fighter747: can you make a paste of /etc/apt/sources.list and anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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15:08<jona-tan>got nothing in sources.list.d
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15:09<retrospectacus>well you don't need US *and* UK but it looks ok
15:11<jona-tan>so nothing wrong that you know of so far?
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15:32<retrospectacus>jona-tan: it looks ok
15:32<retrospectacus>jona-tan: google "Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status"
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15:35<`elsie>I'm doing the net install and it says I need the missing firmware files rt2870.bin where would I get those?
15:35<`elsie>Also I thought they were in the 3. Kernel?
15:35<dpkg>rt2870sta is the vendor driver for Ralink 802.11n/g USB (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian Linux 2.6.32 kernel images. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. . Removed at Linux 3.0, ask me about <rt2800usb>.
15:36<retrospectacus>!tell `elsie about installer firmware
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15:38<`elsie>Ahh, thanks retrospectacus.
15:39<retrospectacus>you're welcome
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15:40<silverghost>#elooo people which is more stable slackware or debian ?? :P
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15:40<retrospectacus>silverghost: debian stable is very stable.
15:40<ompaul>silverghost: you ask in #debian you figure out the answer may not be debian, how? ;-) and what retrospectacus said
15:41<retrospectacus>silverghost: try #linux on freenode if you want unbiased opinions on that
15:41<retrospectacus>well, more various opinions
15:41<retrospectacus>of course we prefer debian here
15:42<silverghost>i have no idea about slackware people say slackware is the oldest distro is it true
15:42<retrospectacus>I've heard that as well
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15:42<silverghost>slackware is unix ?? :p
15:43<retrospectacus>silverghost: do you have a debian question?
15:43<jona-tan>i fixed it
15:43<jona-tan>so simple too ;_;
15:43<silverghost>yaa is debain unix
15:43<retrospectacus>!congratulate jona-tan
15:43<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies jona-tan, you did it!
15:43<jona-tan>the /var/lib/dpkg/ had two files: status and status-old
15:44<jona-tan>just restore status-old to status and it works
15:44<retrospectacus>nice one
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15:45<jona-tan>now I need to figure out why my computer's HDD has the busy light on
15:45<jona-tan>nothing like a good reboot I guess
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15:46<silverghost>what is dependencies hell?
15:46<ompaul>silverghost: is there a way to search the internet?
15:46<ompaul>this is turning into co dependency hell if not
15:46<retrospectacus>silverghost: google it. This channel is for debian support
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15:47<retrospectacus>i.e. helping people who are running debian and have some problem happening with it. Is that you?
15:47<silverghost>hey why debian has so many versions siducution aptosid how to deonload debian so many download options i am confused
15:47<ompaul>silverghost: please stop trolling
15:48<ompaul>that question exceeds our expectation
15:48<silverghost>try debian befor installing ftp http
15:48<retrospectacus>those are not debian versions, they are derivatives that someone made, go ask them, we have nothing do with them
15:49<ompaul>retrospectacus: a paste from the welcome to the world of etc
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15:49<silverghost>which one to download debian 6.04 but but i have heard latest is debian 6.0.5
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15:50<silverghost>hey what is this crunchbang looks cool eh
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15:50<silverghost>it is based on debian wheezy
15:50<retrospectacus>silverghost: we don't care
15:51<silverghost>is this debian channel?
15:51<silverghost>it says debian servers i am new to relay chat
15:51<retrospectacus>yes. debian only. derivatives are off-topic
15:52<silverghost>i d k which version to download
15:52<silverghost>it says testing sid what are these eh
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15:52<`elsie>Download stable if you don't know what the others are.
15:52<retrospectacus>silverghost: go to - green link in the upper right.
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15:53<silverghost>ubuntu really pisses me off 12.04 lts i had bad experience ubuntu people adviced me to install debian
15:53<retrospectacus>silverghost: we don't care
15:54<silverghost>does debian have livecd
15:54<silverghost>like ubuntu
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15:54<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from . #debian-live on
15:54<markus>hi. I've tried to update today and there are a lot of packages to upgrade and some of them are unsigned/invalid. Is there anything I've missed?
15:54<silverghost>which is the default desktop for debian
15:54<markus>I'm wheezy user
15:54<retrospectacus>silverghost: gnome2
15:55<ompaul>markus: your sources list(s)
15:55<sney>kde and xfce are also available
15:55<silverghost>hewy why gnom2 gnome 3 is available
15:55<dpkg>[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>).
15:56<sney>gnome 3 is in debian 7.0/wheezy, which has not been released yet
15:56<silverghost>when will it come
15:56<retrospectacus>probably about 6 months
15:56<sney>when all the release critical bugs are fixed, probably about 6 months yeah
15:56<silverghost>ohh its like ubuntu eh
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15:56<retrospectacus>you can run it now but it's not considered ready/stable yet
15:57<sney>it's not like ubuntu, the releases are done when they are ready, not on a set schedule
15:57<silverghost>6 months is too fast
15:57<sney>agreed, you miss a lot of problems that way
15:57<sney>wheezy has been in development since last february. we're just at the bug fixing stage now.
15:57<ompaul>markus: paste error message (complete one) please
15:58<retrospectacus>!tell markus about bat
15:58<silverghost>umm debian is good for server eh
15:58<sney>servers, production workstations, systems you need to be reliable
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15:58<silverghost>how do u rate it as a desktop
15:58<ompaul>by saying 11/11
15:59<sney>haha. it's a great desktop when you want your system to Just Work and you don't need brand new versions of everything. It's very solid and lets you use your computer
15:59<ompaul>sney: usable computers, who'd want that?
15:59<silverghost>yaa ubuntu is very bad i cannot browse very slow browing so i bashed ubuntu irc they say go and use debain fot stability lulz
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16:00<markus>and this is my file for apt pinning
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16:00<woden>How do I find which packages contains the program "gksudo"?
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16:00<silverghost>everyone hates ubuntu ahahaha
16:00<sney>woden: apt-file search (need to install apt-file)
16:00<retrospectacus>woden: if you have it installed, dpkg -S $(which gksudo)
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16:00<ompaul>markus: please pastebin apt-cache policy
16:00<woden>retrospectacus, it is not installed
16:00<ompaul>markus: it came from somewhere
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16:00<scientes>or dpkg -S path #only for installed files
16:00<silverghost>linux mint > ubuntu i like mint debian edition its good than ubuntu edition
16:00<retrospectacus>woden: then apt-file
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16:01<woden>gksudo is contained in the package gksu?
16:01<sney>silverghost: not really. some debian users also use ubuntu... it has different goals from debian. there isn't a big rivalry or anything.
16:01<scientes>woden, yes
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16:01<scientes>(dpkg -S /usr/bin/gksudo)
16:01<ompaul>markus: btw if you are moving to wheezy you should go straight to dist-upgrade you want the correct removals and new packages
16:01<sney>silverghost: also, no matter what mint claims, "linux mint debian edition" is not actually debian, so we can't help you with it if there are any issues
16:01<silverghost>mint debian irc bash ubuntu
16:02<scientes>silverghost, this channel is about debian, not mint, not ubuntu
16:02<ompaul>markus: thanks
16:02<silverghost>lol iceweasel where is firefox
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16:02<scientes>silverghost, it is firefox
16:02<markus>silverghost: iceweasel is the free version
16:02<silverghost>firefox is also free eh
16:02<sney>iceweasel = firefox renamed. Mozilla has some licensing problems with the logo.
16:03<silverghost>lol logo
16:03<sney>!why iceweasel
16:03<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>.
16:03<scientes>markus, firefox is free too
16:03<ompaul>markus: one issue you have sid wheezy and experimental at the same time in your repos
16:03<retrospectacus>silverghost: not free enough
16:03<scientes>at least IMHO
16:03<markus>scientes: the brand isn't free
16:03<silverghost>is chrome available in debian
16:03<scientes>markus, yeah i understand
16:03<ompaul>markus: never a good idea - what do you want to do?
16:03<scientes>silverghost, chromium
16:03<silverghost>ohh i can downlad .deb file chrome
16:03<sney>chromium-browser is available, and the chrome .debs from also work (but are unsupported here)
16:03<scientes>silverghost, apt-get install chromium
16:04<silverghost>debian install looks pretty is easy
16:04<markus>I use it to get packages which arn't on wheezy yet
16:04<scientes>v20 of chromium is now packaged
16:04<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help.
16:04<silverghost>only jockey-gtk is not avialable
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16:04<ompaul>markus: please choose sid or wheezy (in your position I'd do sid)
16:04<scientes>ompaul, nice factoid! :)
16:04<silverghost>proprietary driver or nouveau?
16:05<ompaul>silverghost: no, it's excellent :)
16:05<scientes>silverghost, nouveau if it works for you
16:05<ompaul>scientes: no, it's excellent :)
16:05<scientes>ompaul, not on all hardware
16:05<sney>silverghost: nouveau by default but you can install the proprietary driver with the nvidia-kernel-dkms package in non-free if you want/need it
16:05<scientes>oh the factoid haha ;)
16:05<silverghost>compiz fusion is available eh
16:05<ompaul>scientes: welcome to the adjusted reality :)
16:05<retrospectacus>silverghost: yes
16:05<ompaul>silverghost: you know more than you let on
16:06<sney>silverghost: :P
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16:06<silverghost>30000 packages eh
16:06<scientes>i think ompaul is on to something
16:06<retrospectacus>silverghost: just install it already, come back when you have a support question
16:06<ompaul>scientes: I said it 20 seconds in
16:06<silverghost>i am downloading live cd let it finish
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16:07<ompaul>markus: eh, given the noise is now on ignore I'll now suggest to you that you choose one or the other, you can't go on as you are
16:07<silverghost>mark shuttleworth used to be debian developer eh
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16:08<sney>silverghost: #debian is strictly a support channel, for other chat you can go to #debian-offtopic
16:08<silverghost>what do u think about ubuntu
16:08<retrospectacus>silverghost: #debian is strictly a support channel, for other chat you can go to #debian-offtopic
16:08<silverghost>is it good for linux community
16:08<sney>3rd time's the charm, maybe?
16:08<ompaul>I'm not going repeat that, but I'll say they are right
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16:11<markus>ompaul: hmm.. there are just a few packages I've installed from sid/experimental and wheezy is always prefered. So there is a package that breaks everything.
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16:11<markus>can I upgrade my signature file first so there is no security error?
16:11<markus>unless somebody is really messing with my connection
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16:12<ompaul>markus: the latter is so unlikely
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16:13<ompaul>markus: debian-archive-keyring
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16:13<markus>hmm.. this is pretty strange
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16:13<markus>after a aptitude update:
16:13<markus>Fetched 698 kB in 10s (65.8 kB/s)
16:13<markus>Current status: 0 updates [-305].
16:14<ompaul>markus: that's update not dist-upgrade
16:14<markus>and there aren't any packages to upgrade again
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16:14<ompaul>markus: do a dist-upgrade
16:15<markus>0 upgrades
16:15<ompaul>after dist-upgrade?
16:16<ompaul>restart the box if you got a new kernel
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16:22<markus>ompaul: ok, I'm back. Still "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
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16:22<ompaul>markus: you are up to date
16:23<ompaul>markus: did you install that debian-archive-keyring
16:23<markus>it was already installed
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16:24<markus>can I make my tinfoilhat now ^^ ?
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16:26<ompaul>markus: not yet
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16:52<ramzy>Can anybody here help me figure out why I cannot use mail (exim4) on Debian Squeeze 6? Or at least point me to a place where help may be available?
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16:57<ramzy>Can anybody here help me figure out why I cannot use mail (exim4) on Debian Squeeze 6? Or at least point me to a place where help may be available?
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16:59<devil>ramzy: this is the place if you can give some detail (what you did, what are the errors)
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17:00<ramzy>Thanks. I have installed exim4, but I am unable to get any local mail on my machine. Both in running a test from the command line or using something like mutt; nothing happens. My mail logs are totally empty.
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17:01<ing>exim4 has it's own logs under /var/log/exim4/
17:01<ramzy>I don't really know where to be looking to track the error. Nothing shows up in /var/log/messages or daemon.log even to say exim is doing anything.
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17:02<ramzy>Ah. Ok, that's a great tip. Let me look in there and see if I can see what's going on. Thanks.
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17:04<ing>Also, the routing of mails can be debugged via "exim -bt $mailaddress"
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17:06<ramzy>ok. the reject logs in there are empty, and main log does show errors that I am not totally clear on. But when I try exim -bt crow@crow (username and machine name are the same), I get "crow@row is undeliverable: Unrouteable address" So I am assuming something is misconfigured somewhere. I have never touched my config except through dpkg-reconfigure
17:07<ramzy>#hostname -> crow ; #hostname -f -> crow.sol which are both what I expect
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17:10<arokux_h>daemonkeeper, (hi!) I wonder why pbuilder always it tar-ring and untar-ring the root file system. does it take a lot of time?
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17:11<olasd>arokux_h: because that's how pbuilder works. yes, it takes a lot of time if you use the chroot often
17:11<daemonkeeper>cowbuilder increases the speed.
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17:12<olasd>(at the expense of some LD_PRELOAD cra^Wmagic)
17:12<ansgar>.oO( sbuild )
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17:15<ramzy>How do I tell exim what router to use or set it up to use the local machine's DNS settings to deliver local mail?
17:16<devil>ramzy: is exim docu on the net so bad?
17:17<ramzy>I am trying to read through it now, but I don't see where anyone says how to do that particular part. I have follow several debian setup guides for exim, but I see nothing about setting up the part about what routes exim should handle. Am I not sticking in the correct keywords into google maybe?
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17:19<ramzy>I can find lots of stuff about complicated setups involving forwarding and stuff, but nothing so basic as what I am trying to do. I would think this would be setup with dpkg-reconfigure set to handle local mail, but I am obviously missing some basic, but important step
17:20<ing>Do you need "local delivery only"?
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17:21<ramzy>Yeah, that's all I'm trying to set up to get cron messages really and from simple scripts I wrote to monitor disk space and database health. Nothing fancy at all. No forwarding to another mail server or anything. I just need a push in the right direction as to what file I should be looking at or what concept I am supposed to be looking into.
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17:30<ing>ramzy: ramzy did you try to send mail to an unqualified user name oder an address with an part?
17:31<ing>if the latter, than the must be known to exim as local domains
17:31<ing>I think, per default, the FQDL of the local machine and localhost is added here
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17:33<ramzy>All that I have tried is to send a test email to a real user on this local machine using "echo "Test" | mail -s Testing crow@crow" and "echo "Test" | mail -s Testing crow@crow.sol" which is the machine name and the FQDN as returned by hostname -f
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17:40<rah>I've done "apt-get --reinstall install gdm"
17:40<rah>and yet:
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17:40<rah>$ ls -l $( dpkg -L gdm | grep pam.d/gdm$ )
17:40<rah>ls: cannot access /etc/pam.d/gdm: No such file or directory
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17:41<vook>ramzy: you do have 'crow' in /etc/hosts, right ?
17:42<ramzy>I have it listed under it's static ip for the local internal network like so: crow.sol crow. For, I only have localhost listed
17:43<vook>you should add crow after localhost, being that exim won't be listening on
17:43<rah>my /etc/pam.d/gdm file is missing and reinstalling the gdm package, which supposedly contains it, does not make it reappear
17:44<rah>why would the file not be reinstalled?
17:44<ramzy>aah. OK, let me give that a try. Thank you.
17:44<vook>ramzy: test by sending an e-mail to crow@localhost
17:45<vook>or just always use 'crow@localhost', why not if it's local only
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17:46<ramzy>It still gives me "Unrouteable address" when using "exim -v crow@localhost"
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17:49<ramzy>sudo exim -bt crow@localhost gives the same
17:50<ing>rah: deleting a config file is a customization that is kept by default
17:50<rah>ing: how can I remove the customisation?
17:50<ing>rah: you could dpkg --force-confmiss to have removed conffiles reinstalled
17:51<ing>e.g. with apt-get -o DPkg::options::=--force-confmiss --reinstall ...
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17:59<arokux_h>daemonkeeper, how can I pass make cowbuilder/pbuilder to use this modified call of apt-get: apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update ?
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18:03<arokux_h>same question here, but no answer:
18:04<themill>you can always do that in the chroot
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18:05<arokux_h>themill, I just get an error before the rootfs is created..
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18:07<themill>oh, you're doing this at create time?
18:07<Fighter747>just wondering, how do you delete search results from the Synaptics Package Manager?
18:08<arokux_h>themill, yes, at create time I'm getting the error: E: Release file for is expired (invalid since 75d 1h 31min 19s). Updates for this repository will not be applied.
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18:08<themill>create time is very different to update time; the bug was about update time...
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18:09<arokux_h>themill, oh, ok.. so what should I do? :$
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18:13<themill>arokux_h: either start hacking at debootstrap or install squeeze then upgrade
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18:14<arokux_h>themill, I've tried debootstrap yesterday, too much work should be done by hand.. I think, I'll giveup. the bug I was trying to reproduced was closed in the meanwhile anyway :S
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20:10<arand>Is it possible to install all recommends for an already installed package?
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20:15<themill>arand: «aptitude search '~RBrecommends:packagename!~i'» will list them, change search to install to install them
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20:17<arand>Ah, thanks :)
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21:29<jay716>Hi, I'm having problems with dolphin filemanager
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21:30<jay716>My WM is lxde, i have replaced xterm with konsole and pcmanfm with dolphin. When I try to open dolphin through terminal it crashes immediately. Does anyone have any idea why?
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21:32<tensorpudding_>do you get any error messages
21:32<jay716>it just started working........
21:33<jay716>I guess i'm good then
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21:35<jay716>Now it's doing it again. It seems to only happen when I try to launch dolphin from my mounted NTFS partition. It will crash, and then even if i cd to another directory it still crashes when i launch it.
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21:36<jay716>It says: We are sorry, Dolphin closed unexpectedly. When I go to report the bug it has no backtrace nifo
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21:40<jay716>Is running dolphin under LXDE a good idea?
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21:57<scientes>is x64 windows still called "win32"?
21:57*scientes notes the irony
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22:08<shred805>can someone help real quick
22:09<shred805>not sure what im doing wrong
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22:39<ratnick>how do I write to the xinitrc file? I want to add: exec fluxbox
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22:41<ratnick>I have a text editor, but I do not know how to format the command.
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22:43<ratnick>Is it: [exec] {fluxbox} ?
22:48<ratnick>I found it. BASH shell scripting. Thanks :)
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22:54<jay__>Hi, I am running LXDE on wheezy... When I try to launch dolphin as root user, it crashes instantly with no backtrace. Could somebody help me solve this?
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22:59<dsplayer14>Can you be more specific? Or is all you do just run the command and it crashes?
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23:00<jay__>When I run as normal user in terminal it launches. When I run as root user, it gives a dialog saying it crashed.
23:01<jay__>I am having the same problem launching konsole from tilda, it crashes when I launch as root. Must be a KDE problem
23:02<jay__>Stand by and I'll paste terminal output..
23:03<jay__>root@jay-debian:/home/jay# dolphin
23:03<jay__>dolphin(24071)/kdeui (kdelibs): Session bus not found
23:03<jay__>To circumvent this problem try the following command (with Linux and bash)
23:03<jay__>export $(dbus-launch)
23:03<jay__>KCrash: Application 'dolphin' crashing...
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23:03<jay__>Whoops, forgot i cant just paste into irc
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23:04<jay__>posting into pastebox, hold on
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23:05<dsplayer14>Lets see if I can help...
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23:06<dsplayer14>real quick, I am assuming you log into the root shell by using the "su" command correct?
23:06<jay__>When i use export $(dbus-launch) it works, but then the problem comes back soon after...
23:07<dsplayer14>Have you tried typing "kdesu" and then the name of the program?
23:07<jay__>No I will try that now
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23:08<jay__>kdesu: command not found
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23:08<jay__>I have a rather minimal install
23:09<dsplayer14>oh wait... LXDE. try "gksu"
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23:09<jay__>From root user or regular user?
23:09<dsplayer14>regular user
23:09<jay__>Thought so... forgive me I'm still learning =P
23:10<dsplayer14>Thats quite alright.
23:10<jay__>Yes this works, I'll use "gksu dolphin" to browse as root from now on... thank you!
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23:11<dsplayer14>No prob. A good rule of thumb: If it is graphical, use gksu. If not, use su
23:12<jay__>I see. Will closing the terminal kill the process in this case?
23:12<jay__>And if so will "gksu exec dolphin" work?
23:12<dsplayer14>Yes to the first question, I am not sure on the second
23:13<jay__>How can I launch dolphin as root without using the terminal? Bash script?
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23:13<dsplayer14>Yeah you can make a script and then put some where like your desktop
23:14<jay__>Main menu... I dont like things on my desktop lol. I will keep that in mind
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23:14<jay__>Fwiw "gksu exec dolphin" did allow me to close the terminal without ending dolphin. Good :)
23:15<dsplayer14>IMO, having that terminal up gives me feedback on whats going on, even tho 95% of that feedback isnt really important to see
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23:16<jay__>Yeah I dont mind it usually. But right now im having problems with my display driver and im stuck in a low resolution
23:17<jay__>having another terminal open takes up space
23:17<dsplayer14>Ugh, Debian and graphics drivers. If there is one thing I hate about this distro...
23:18<jay__>Lol yeah... guess I shouldn't ask you about fixing that, huh? =P
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23:19<dsplayer14>Im up for a challenge. Really Im just browsing IRC channels and reddit... Sorta bored XD
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23:19<jay__>Word... I've been banging my head against the wall trying to find a solution here.
23:20<jay__>Though I'm not the most linux-literate so it's probably something simple
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23:20<dsplayer14>I don't blame ya. I borked my system so many times trying to get the driver
23:20<dsplayer14>Well, do you know what your card is?
23:20<jay__>it's an intel chipset
23:21<jay__>GMA 4500MHD
23:21<dsplayer14>Can you also supply your kernel version?
23:22<dsplayer14>"uname -r" will tell you if you dont know for sure
23:22<jay__>It's worth noting that when I do a regular boot, i get a black screen. So to fix this i've amended /etc/default/grub to include "i915.modeset=0"
23:23<dsplayer14>Do you have an xorg.conf? it can be found in /etc/X11
23:24<jay__>I also can't change the brightness so i'm killing my eyes... on a previous linux install I fixed this by amending grub.cfg somehow, but I haven't done so on this install yet
23:25<jay__>No I don't see it when i ls /etc/X11
23:25<jay__>I see the other x files
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23:26<dsplayer14>well I think by default Debian doesnt have an xorg.conf, but I wanted to double check with you to see if you had one
23:26<jay__>I did install x manually
23:26<dsplayer14>Oh, so you used the netinst image?
23:26<dsplayer14>i see
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23:27<jay__>The highest resolution i can get is 1024x768
23:28<jay__>It's painful
23:28<dsplayer14>can you run dpkg --get-selections, and show any packages with xserver in the name?
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23:29<jay__>Is there a way to do that with grep?
23:29<dsplayer14>yeah, "grep xserver" should do the trick
23:29<dsplayer14>shoulda said that instead, totally forget grep... my bad
23:31<jay__>okay posting into pastebox
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23:35<dsplayer14>I noticed that you have both the intel and vesa drivers installed, is there anyway for you to figure out which one you are using currently?
23:35<dsplayer14>Or do you need vesa to use the intel driver?
23:35<jay__>If there is, I don't know it
23:36<jay__>I don't know that either. I did not install any drivers manually
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23:38<dsplayer14>Something a little off topic. Is there a reason why you wanted to use Wheezy instead of Squeeze?
23:38<jay__>I like my software new and cutting edge
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23:39<jay__>Ive used distros based on squeeze and i can never find what i want in the repos
23:40<dsplayer14>Really? Like what?
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23:42<jay__>Just newer versions of stuff
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23:44<dsplayer14>I see, well what I have gathered is that you are using the most basic driver for your graphics card, which I belive is vesa and you have your specific open source driver installed, but I don't think you are using it.
23:44<zykotick9>jay__: if you value version #s over stability, use wheezy or sid... i love squeeze.
23:45<jay__>I am using wheezy. Ive used wheezy based distros in the past and i dont mind tweaking to get things to work... it's boring otherwise lol. @dsplayer - okay, good, we know what it is! how should i go about switching to the other driveR?
23:47<dsplayer14>I suppose we can make an xorg.conf to do that, but I'm not wise when it comes to that kinda thing. For my graphics card I followed a wiki page.
23:47<dsplayer14>The wiki page for your graphics card seems more complex
23:47<jay__>Which means it will be more difficult to make the xorg.conf?
23:48<jay__>Or there will be other steps involved?
23:49<jay__>Could you paste the link?
23:49<dsplayer14>I think if we just make the xorg.conf file it should work, but if that does not work then, as of right now, I don't know what else to do. I just don't know how to make the file to specify your open source card
23:49<dsplayer14>Ya heres the wiki page for your driver:
23:49<dsplayer14>I mean card
23:50<dsplayer14>not very informative either. Just gives info for the proprietary driver
23:50<jay__>Is there a proprietary driver
23:50<jay__>Do you know how I could set up the proprietary one?
23:51<dsplayer14>Not fully no, but I dont wanna give up on the open source driver yet, unless you wish to use the proprietary driver
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23:53<jay__>What's a dbg driver compared to the regular ones?
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23:54<jay__>And would it be better to use the open source driver when I'm going to be gaming?
23:54<dsplayer14>Whats the full name of the dbg driver?
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23:54<dsplayer14>Depends on what games you wanna play
23:57<jay__>But wouldn't the propietary drivers be able to utilize the card to a higher level?
23:57<dsplayer14>So you wanna use the proprietary?
23:57<jay__>fwiw here's the name of the dbg driver wheezy (testing) (debug): X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver (debug symbols)
23:58<jay__>2:2.19.0-5: amd64 i386
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23:58<jay__>Yes if it will give me better performance i want to install the proprietary
23:59<dsplayer14>OK, so I'll have to scratch searching for the right xorg.conf, and having xserver-xorg-video-intel-dbg or xserver-xorg-video-intel wont matter.
23:59<dsplayer14>Sorta relieved you chose proprietary, I was getting confused with the open source driver XD
23:59<jay__>If i use the proprietary then can i uninstall xorg?
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