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---Logopened Thu Aug 09 00:00:12 2012
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00:04<vimes>Complete newbie (well not exactly, I'm just slow) here, can someone point me in the right direction as to how to go about installing debian on a fully encrpyed hard drive? I tried but: "250GB unrecognized, One or more block devices are holding /dev/dm-0". I have no idea how to mount it.
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00:05<trifolio6>hello. I have a problem. I need to ask to the debian legal team. can you tellme one email o mail list to ask there?
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00:08<sney_>trifolio6: the mailing list is debian-legal and last I checked there is no irc channel
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00:08<trifolio6>i have found it sorry
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00:44<ed_>Hey guys I just installed debian, but I accidently installed grub onto my flash drive, what do?
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00:45<vimes>grub-update /dev/sba
00:45<vimes>I think
00:45<vimes>wait, you want to fix the flash drive or the installation?
00:45<ed_>my installation
00:46<ed_>I can boot into debian, if i have my flash drive plugged in
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00:47<vimes>yeah I had the same problem
00:48<vimes>I fixed it initially with "apt-get install grub" and anon berated me, saying I should actually have done "grub-update /dev/sba" where sba is the partition your installation is in
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00:51<ed_>didn't work for me, command not found :/
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00:53<honschu>Hi. I "multistrapped" a debian armel system. The bootprocess stopps with this last message: "Using makefile-style concurrent boot in runlevel 2." ... that's all I can see. Something I am doing wrong. Can you help me?
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00:54<ed_>I fixed it, grub-update was changed to update-grub hehe, thx vimes
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00:57<vimes>whoops =P
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02:00<fix>ello there
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02:00<fix>just reviewing my syslogs and came across this tasty morsil from an XP SP3 machine on my lan
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02:01<fix> <-- just one more reason to NOT use windows and run Debian Instead
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04:26<xylon>focus stolen
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04:50<exe>Hello there, im moving to debian(stable), i want to install a package from debian(unstable), i am adding the following line to the sources.list so i can backport it, just want to make sure im doing it right "deb-src unstable main contrib non-free" is this correct?
04:51<SynrG>mixing stable and unstable like that is neither recommended nor supported
04:51<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>.
04:51<SynrG>ah backport ...
04:51<SynrG>sorry, haven't had my coffee yet
04:52<exe>yeah... no prob
04:52<SynrG>i have found that if you don't have a deb line that matches the deb-src line as well, you can't use apt-get source -t
04:53<microcluster>? irq 16: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)
04:53<exe>oh cool let me look it up
04:53<microcluster>added irqpoll on boot nothing appens
04:53<devil>microcluster: ?
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04:55<skainz>hello, i have a question concerning new bash completions, see for my source...
04:55<skainz>it basically shows all my options after i enter tugc space [TAB], but it does not complete e.g. tugc bo[TAB] which should complete to tugc bootstrap, what am i doing wrong?
04:55<microcluster>devil, something wrong?
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04:56<devil>microcluster: no, i just did not understand what your prob is
04:56<microcluster>devil, at boot debian give me this advise
04:56<microcluster>irq 16: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)
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04:57<devil>ok, that makes more sense
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04:57<SynrG>confirm you actually booted with irqpoll. grep irqpoll /proc/cmdline
04:57<SynrG>when you say "nothing happens", you mean you still get this error?
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04:58<microcluster>i check now and it's not present
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04:58<microcluster>but i added it
04:59<devil>microcluster: iirc that was a prob with 2.6.32 ? Later kernels did not have this prob, it had something to do with usb-ports....
04:59<microcluster>BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae root=UUID=cd8c6410-91b4-4a57-bb71-284ac85fa2f3 ro vga=795 quiet init=/sbin/readahead-collector
04:59<devil>hm, that is clearly a later kernel :)
04:59<SynrG>microcluster: how did you add it?
05:00<microcluster>i use it because i've problem with b43-lphy
05:01<microcluster>SynrG, on /etc/default/grub
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05:01<microcluster>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet irqpoll init=/sbin/readahead-collector"
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05:02<exe>SynrG: thanks :3
05:03<exe>ill get some sleep now
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05:12<SynrG>microcluster: and did you run 'update-grub' afterwards?
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05:12<microcluster>SynrG, of course
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05:13<microcluster>SynrG, i checked now /boot/grub/grub.cfg and all it's ok , irqpoll present
05:14<SynrG>so when you reboot now, does /proc/cmdline contain irqpoll?
05:16<SynrG>how many OSes are installed on this system?
05:17<SynrG>maybe when it boots, some other bootloader is taking care of things
05:17<microcluster>debian with two different kernel and fedora17
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05:19<SynrG>it is likely the grub that's booting debian belongs to the other OS, then
05:20<SynrG>only *one* of your OSes should maintain grub. you have to decide which.
05:20<SynrG>when you decide, make sure all changes to boot parameters are made only for that grub.
05:20<SynrG>which one is your primary OS?
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05:24<microcluster>now fedora
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05:25<SynrG>so, take a look at your grub config on fedora. update that for the debian entry & try again
05:25<microcluster>SynrG, is not possible make debian primary?
05:26<SynrG>yes, but then make sure that fedora doesn't think it is.
05:26<fix>Syn are you african american?
05:27<microcluster>SynrG, so i give same upgrade-grub on fedora to solve the problem?
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05:29<babilen>microcluster: I think the idea was rather to "grub-install /dev/sdX" (e.g. /dev/sda) on Debian, which would replace whatever bootloader is installed in the MBR now with the one shipped with Debian.
05:30<SynrG>i'm not sure if fedora uses update-grub so i can't instruct you there
05:30<fix>I need to fix this chain loading crap and get it to boot right to grub2 instead
05:30<fix>happened when I upgraded from lenny to squeeze
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05:30<SynrG>fix: what does race have to do with anything?
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05:30<fix>the fedora team should quit and stop making redhat, and just dev for debian
05:30<a-ghost>help me ?
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05:31<fix>since debian is superior and redhat is lame
05:31<a-ghost>my firefox can't output text
05:32<jww>so my lameness alarm sounded.
05:32<babilen>fix: That process is detailed in the NEWS or release notes. IIRC you have to call something like "upgrade-from-grub-legacy"
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05:32<babilen>jww: Please keep it on-topic in here and lay off the CAPS.
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05:32<babilen>a-ghost: Which Linux distribution do you use?
05:32<fix>yes, jww, thank you for keeping it on topic
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05:35<fix>Installation finished. No error reported.
05:35<fix>Generating grub.cfg ...
05:35<tk>i skipped the "install standard packages" on my debian install. how can i do that afterwards
05:35<SynrG>tk: tasksel --new-install
05:36<babilen>tk: You can either use tasksel directly or install packages from the standard task. See "/msg dpkg standard" for a suitable aptitude search pattern.
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05:37<fix>anyone know of any decent games for debian?
05:37<fix>OpenArena is gettin a bit long in the tooth
05:37<afuentes>whats the difference between .dpkg-old and .ucf-old files after some upgrade?
05:38<microcluster>fix, so why redhat is the most used in the world business and server?
05:38<SynrG>microcluster: don't take the bait
05:39<tk>thank you gentleman
05:39<babilen>afuentes: Different configuration file management used by the respective packages, but they are essentially the same. (Read about it here:
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05:39<fix>question: why does apt try to remove gdm when I remove mplayer? vlc works great and I have no use for mplayer
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05:40<babilen>afuentes: Err, that wiki page is not as good as I thought.
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05:40<microcluster>SynrG, it's marketing?
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05:41<babilen>fix: What does "aptitude why mplayer" give you? Could you paste the *complete* output of that removal command to ?
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05:42<fix>i ogmrip Depends mplayer
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05:43<babilen>fix: Please also paste "aptitude why gdm" (to ) and follow up the dependency chains. /me will be back soon .. What does "apt-cache policy gdm" give you?
05:44<afuentes>babilen, the difference is that dpkg-old is managed by deb-conf and ucf-old is managed by ucf? any reason there is no unification in for conf files there?
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05:45<afuentes>also, what does debconf to a .dpkg-old file if try to create another one and it already exists?
05:45<home>I use debian, a regular boot partition, and an encrypted luks root partition, debian's upgrade of grub HOSED my system, thank you
05:45<home>and grub 2.00 doesn't fucking work either
05:45<home>thank you very much
05:45<fix>I just did the upgrade and havent rebooted yet to see if it works
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05:46<home>and the maintainers basically said "fuck you we are not going to support grub + FDE anylonger":
05:46<home>nope, it was grub2 to a newer grub2
05:46<home>yea they said they weren't going to fix it
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05:47<fix>oh ok, this was grub to grub2 I had that chainloading shit because I upgraded from lenny to squeeze
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05:47<home>someone else who had the problem tracked it down to the way the update-grub code follows systemlinks incorrectly
05:48<home>they said "oh look in the past there was different code for regular stuff and syslinks, and virtual FS as root worked fine"
05:48<home>"now you consolidated the code and it does not work"
05:48<home>the maintainer responeded
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05:48<home>"we did that for simplicity"
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05:48<fix>simplicity of the lulz watching u rage
05:48<home>no, I didn't file the bug report
05:48<home>someone else did
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05:49<home>but this has been an open bug from atleast somewhere in 2012
05:49<home>and fedora users had the problem in 2011
05:49<fix><fix> flings poo at amphi for no apparent reason
05:49<home>so is there any way to fix this
05:49<babilen>home: Please stop ranting as it doesn't help. If you want us to help you point us to the bug report in question and discuss what can be done.
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05:50<home>when I compiled and installed grub 2.00, and pointed grub-install at /dev/sda ... and then did update-grub... it says everything is fine, but I got no grub at all in the MBR
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05:51<home>amd64 btw
05:51<fix>um, grub 2/0 doesnt see disks as /dev/sda
05:51<fix>unless Im wrong, that might be the reason why it wont boot
05:51<home>in debian where do I tell it to install to?
05:52<babilen>home: Why did you compile grub? And in which bug report did the maintainer say "we did that for simplicity" ? We cannot help you if you don't provide more details and I am in no mood to be blamed for decisions made by any Debian Maintainer or Developer.
05:52<home>I mean like when you're root and you install a new version of grub and you have to tell it what disk to do so
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05:53<home>babilen: the maintainer suggested trying version 2.00, whereas the only .deb version I could find was 0.97 or 0.99
05:53<home>so I had to go to the gnu ftp
05:53<home>and dl and compile and install it
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05:53<babilen>home: You want grub-pc for grub2
05:53<babilen>,v grub-pc
05:53<judd>Package: grub-pc on i386 -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; sid: 1.99-22.1; wheezy: 1.99-22.1
05:53<fix>hey relax home, reinstalling grub is not impossible and can be done
05:53<babilen>,i grub-pc
05:53<judd>Package grub-pc (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS version). Version: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; Size: 1000.0k; Installed: 2560k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
05:54<home>yea that's what I had, 1.99
05:54<babilen>home: Compiling grub is neither necessary nor recommended.
05:54<home>but they said try 2.00
05:54<home>but there's no deb for that
05:55<babilen>home: AFAICT grub 2.00 has not yet been packaged.
05:55<home>I just wish I could get my old grub that worked with luks back
05:55<home>that was installed in december 2011
05:55<home>and worked
05:55<babilen>home: Where did the maintainer say that? What discussions are you referring to? What do you use *right now* and what doesn't work?
05:55<home>is there an old package around
05:55<babilen>home: I am using grub-pc with luks encrypted partitions just fine.
05:56<home>babilen: I'm using a ubntu box connected to an insignia 55 inch Lcd
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05:56<babilen>home: How is this related to Debian then?
05:56<home>babilen: that's what my laptop was like
05:56<home>I'm talking about my laptop
05:56<home>which is a debian box with a luks encrypted root
05:57<home>and worked fine untill yesterday when I did a dist-upgrade and it upgraded hundreads of packages
05:57<home>no more working grub
05:57<home>just "partition not found"
05:58<babilen>home: dist-upgrade from what to what? Which release are you tracking? Which packages where upgraded and what doesn't work *right now* ? Can you boot? Can you chroot into the system? Did you try to fix your mbr by following a precedure akin to the one detailed in "/msg dpkg fixmbr" ... (and so on)
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05:58<fix>someone say my name?
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05:59<babilen>fix: No -- You might want to choose a different nickname as "fix" is likely to come up once in a while here.
05:59<home>it says to grub-install to the root filesystem
05:59<home>but that's my encrypted partition
05:59<home>shouldn't it install to the MBR
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06:00<babilen>home: What says that? Could you show me? And yes, you should install it to the MBR. Which Debian release are you tracking? Which packages were upgraded? (come on, make it easier for me/us to help you)
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06:00<home>here's the error that started it all
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06:01<bch>hello. does anyone know if this graphic device works with Debian: ATI Radeon HD 5450 (PCI, not PCIx)
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06:01<home>"We use the same code for simplicity of these both cases."
06:02<babilen>bch: Could you give me its pciid (alphanumerical identifier) that should be listed at the end of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" please?
06:02<home>aka "fuck you and go away we are not fixing this"
06:02<home>but yea I have the same exact prob as that guy
06:02<bch>babilen, I havent the card yet.
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06:03<babilen>home: Well, at least that is something to work with. You might reconsider your choice of tracking sid if you get that irate about problems like this. Please keep in mind that it is not *my* fault and that I am spending my precious Thursday morning to listen to you.
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06:04<home>babilen: I don't track sid
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06:05<babilen>home: What do you track then?
06:05<bch>baiblen: If you mean that: [8086:0116]
06:05<home>another person with problems with grub and encrypted disks
06:05<home>testing or stable
06:05<home>let me check on that box
06:05<home>I learned my lesson with sid long ago
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06:07<babilen>home: I am not entirely sure what to do right now, until the bug has been fixed. There seems to be two options though: You can either downgrade to an earlier version of grub (e.g. from snapshots) or try the (not yet packaged) 2.00 version. You might also want to reconsider your partition layout, but I am using the same thing (AFAICT) and it is working just fine. (i.e. boot partition, luks encrypted /dev/sdaX, LVM on the unencrypted thingie)
06:07<babilen>bch: Yes, exactly.
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06:08<home>how do I get an earlier version of grub?
06:08<babilen>bch: But that is an Intel controller not the ATI grapic card. Unfortunately it is a bit harder to check which Xorg version, radeon driver and kernel supports which ATI card. You could ask in #radeon on
06:08<fix>man when is debian going to stop pushing these antiquated browsers with squeeze that are based on firefix 3.5, they dont even render html/css properly
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06:08<babilen>!tell home -about snapshots
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06:10<fix>would be nice to see a current version of firefox being pushed from the repos, thats allz im sayin
06:10<babilen>fix: FF 3.5 was the current version when squeeze was frozen. What do you expect us to do? We really cannot download Firefox versions from the future now, can we. If you want to install newer Iceweasel versions on stable you can do so from
06:11<fix>well I hear ya, but I still think it sucks
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06:11<babilen>fix: And why not ask: "Hi, how can I install newer firefox/iceweasel versions on squeeze?" instead of insulting people? We are working very hard to make Debian easy to use and give users (and derivative distributions) a pleasant system to work with. Nothing is done out of spite or to inconvenience you.
06:12<home>babilen: do I just need grub-pc or do I need other packages too?
06:12<babilen>fix: Why does it suck? I don't quite follow and fail to understand what your problem is.
06:12<fix>I apoligize if I offended anyone who works on the project, but it would be nice to see a more current version of firefox being pushed by the repos
06:12<home>and I dpkg -i grub-pc and then dpkg --reconfigure grub-pc?
06:12<jww>heh I was right.
06:12<fix>Because IceMonkey or w/e its called doesnt render html/css properly
06:12<fix>its too old
06:13<babilen>home: grub-common most likely along with grub2-common and grub-pc-bin
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06:13<home>fix: Debian doesn't use FireFox(TM)(R)
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06:13<fix>yes it does
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06:13<fix>you put some cute name on it, but its firefox
06:13<tk>you are mean, fix
06:13<babilen>fix: allows you to install bleeding edge Iceweasel (i.e. Firefox) releases, betas and builds from aurora. I *really* don't understand what your problem is.
06:14<fix>allright thanks for the link, Ill give it a shot
06:14<fix>Im web guy i create websites, and I hate previewing them in an outdated browser
06:14<fix>they tend to not render properly
06:14<tk>good for you
06:14<babilen>fix: And please: Either decide that you want us to help and stop to call us names or stay quiet.
06:14<fix>I didnt call u any names
06:16<fix>when was firefox 3.5 current? 2007/2008 ?
06:16<fix>its a bit old in the tooth and squeeze is the current release, it deserves a better browser
06:16<fix>thats all im sayin
06:16<bernat>fix: learn how Debian works
06:16<fix>Sir what kind of rhetorical question is that
06:17<fix>do you live in a box?
06:17<fix>dont think in one
06:17<tk>fix: 'stable' is called stable for a reason. if you want bleeding edge, use wheezy or sid
06:17<babilen>fix: You said multiple times that it (and henceforth we who create "it") sucks because you can't install current versions of Firefox. Yes you can't which is because Debian does not ship Firefox but Iceweasel (which is Firefox in anything but name) -- I mentioned quite early on how to install *very* recent Iceweasel packages that correspong to bleeding edge releases beta or aurora versions of Firefox, but you continue to insist that its old and ...
06:17<babilen>... only with a cute name.
06:17<fix>I dont want to run anything that is "unstable"
06:17<babilen>!tell fix -about stable
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06:18<afuentes>fix: you are asking for ubuntu
06:18<fix>so your telling me that I should run an unstable operating system if I desire a modern browser, and Im the one who doesnt get it?
06:18<fix>ubuntu is trash
06:18<babilen>fix: Please understand what "stable" means in the context of Debian. You can *easily* install newer packages from backports (/msg dpkg bdo) or the newer FF/IW from
06:18<bernat>newest and stable aren't compatible
06:18<devil>fix: i am running debian unstable for a decade now, productively.
06:18<tk>quit flaming irc.
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06:18<afuentes>ubuntu is about the same than debian is for your limited point of view :)
06:19<fix>Ubuntu is for noobs, I run the real thing
06:19<afuentes>you will barely see difference
06:19<afuentes>who told you that?
06:19<devil>afuentes: i beg to differ :)
06:19<babilen>The term "stable" in Debian has very little to do with "unbroken, bug-free" but merely means "unchanging" -- See "/msg dpkg stable" for a bit more information.
06:19<afuentes>also, who told you you arent a noob?
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06:20<fix>well the term "unstable" isnt so undefined is it
06:20<devil>fix: it is
06:20<babilen>Can we please stop it right here? It doesn't matter if anyone is a "noob" or not. The problem has been solved (install IW from ) and we should move on.
06:20<afuentes>i would never recommend testing for a guy who does not know his way around problems :/ if you want semi bleeding edge, go ubuntu
06:20<babilen>fix: unstable == constantly changing (i.e. new packages are uploaded here all the time)
06:21<fix>well see, Linux was meant to be a desktop OS< not a server OS, ok, and u want users to come to Linux you need to cater to them and think as they do, ok, nobody wants to run somethin called "unstable" as an alternative to running a 5 year old browser
06:21<fix>but hey w/e maybe im crazy
06:21<fix>im rage quitting
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06:21<afuentes>bang your head against the table
06:21<afuentes>it helps with the rage
06:23<tk>so, whats the story of libav and ffmpeg?
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06:23<afuentes>i do see beneficial relationship with ubuntu. we send them the noobs, they send us people who wants to go deeper
06:23<Gunman1982>libav == fork of ffmpeg
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06:24<tk>Gunman1982: the work for ffmpeg (audio/video conversion) seems so difficult already, it surprises me that two projects would willingly work in parallel
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06:26<Gunman1982>tk, well as far as I read some of the people developing ffmpeg had a fallout with the project leader and saw besser chances to fork into libav
06:27<home>"Linux was meant to be a desktop OS< not a server OS"
06:27<home>it's like saying "little girls were ment to be men, not little girls"
06:27<babilen>home: Please drop it -- If you *really* want to continue this malarkey do so in #debian-offtopic
06:28<Gunman1982>well Linus build the first Linux version to run on his PC so fix wasn't completely wrong ...
06:28<home>babilen: I just want my system not to be hosed
06:28<home>I'm installing those packages
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06:29<home>anyone who knows history knows little girls were ment to be little girls, not men, regardless of what things try to pertend to be today, linux was ment to ... well not be a desktop OS
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06:29<home>regardless of what people say now
06:29<ayaka>I have iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d --dport 5000 -j DNAT --to-destination
06:29<ayaka>but iptables -L -v doesn't show it
06:30<petemc>iptables -t nat -L
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06:31<home>babilen: do I just do update-grub after installing those 4 packages?
06:31<home>it doesn't seem to complain
06:31<home>or is there some other thing I need to do to get it on the mbr?
06:32<home>im on wheezy
06:32<home>what is that? testing distro?
06:32<babilen>home: You want "grub-install /dev/sdX" as well (where /dev/sdX is your boot hd)
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06:33<home>how do I tell apt not to update grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub-common and grub2-common when doing apt-get update/upgrade
06:33<babilen>!tell home -about hold
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06:34<babilen>home: Or pin it accordingly -- See "/msg dpkg pinning"
06:35<home>I did grub-install /dev/sda
06:35<home>is there a way I can check it and what version of grub?
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06:36<babilen>home: I am sure there is -- I haven't memorised it though. One second.
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06:38<babilen>home: Well, not really. An indication might be "dd bs=512 count=1 if=/dev/sdX 2>/dev/null | strings"
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06:40<home>rub geom Hard Disk Read Error
06:40<home>is what I got
06:42<home>ok grub is on there
06:42<home>lets see if kernel boots
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06:43<home>stuff seems to work ok
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06:43<babilen>home: Great! You might want to reply to that bug report and add information about your setup.
06:44<home>thank you
06:44<home>how do I do that?
06:44<home>I don't have an email addy
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06:44<babilen>home: You can use reportbug or just sent a mail to
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06:45<home>grub-common_1.99-14_amd64.deb etc works
06:45<home>ok, ill make a yahoo acct and do that
06:45<babilen>home: Wait? You don't have an email address?
06:45<home>email is from back in the day when linux was a server OS and little girls were little girls and no men
06:45<home>that aint me
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06:46<babilen>home: I am not sure if I should be impressed or shocked, but that is not important right now. But we do like to be able to contact bug reporters so a (working) email address is quite important when you report bugs.
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06:54<home>babilen: networking doesn't work
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06:56<ayaka>petemc, thank you
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07:00<home>pam unable to dispatch function
07:00<home>I have NO NETWORKING
07:00<home>fuckjing debian
07:00<home>always broken
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07:00<Apollo>fucking users, not giving proper info
07:02<home>I fucking hate linux
07:02<home>it never works
07:02<home>Apollo: I try dhclient eth0
07:02<home>"pam unable to dispatch function" is what I get in the logs
07:02<home>FUCK THIS OS
07:02<home>it fucking sucks
07:02<gruetzkopf>user fault
07:02<home>an I've been using it for a decade
07:02<home>gruetzkopf: what did I do wrong?
07:02<home>tell me
07:02<home>tell me what I did wrong
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07:02<home>because dhclient USED to work
07:03<home>but now I can't use networking
07:03<home>not even as root
07:03<home>what is the problem
07:03<gruetzkopf>check you /etc/network/interfaces and your lan cable
07:03<Apollo>paste /var/log/syslog
07:03<Apollo>paste /etc/network/interfaces
07:04<Apollo>and stop throwing expletives
07:04<gruetzkopf>and check ifconfig -a for eth0 output
07:04<home>how can I paste it when I have no network
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07:05<babilen>home: Please. Either relax and work with us professionally or go somewhere else for help.
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07:05<home>how can I paste tho?
07:05<Apollo>home: copy it to a stick, use the stick to transfer it to the machine you're using for irc
07:06<gruetzkopf>get a digital camera and take literal sceenshots if you have one. please make sure they are readable.
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07:06<home>i hate linux
07:06<home>it never works after upgrade
07:06<gruetzkopf>whoa whoa
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07:06<gruetzkopf>how did you upgrade
07:06<Apollo>home: please stay professional, or get out
07:06<babilen>home: Stop it please. If you want our help work with us, but stop swearing.
07:07<gruetzkopf>this machine survived every etch-lenny and lenny-squeeze
07:07<Apollo>home: get us /var/log/syslog till then: shut up
07:08<mbut>hellow, i just installed debian yesterday , and today i installed kde-desktop, but i cannot find "shutdown button". there is only 5 button (logout, lock, switch, sleep, hibernate)
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07:08<home>syslog is empty
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07:08<babilen>home: How exactly did you upgrade? Did you follow the release notes? (it is *very* important that you do for this upgrade) Or did you at least follow a predure as detailed in "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" ? What *exactly* did you do? What does "aptitude search ~o" give you? What about aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' ?
07:09<home>apt-get update
07:09<home>apt-get upgrade
07:09<home>apt-get upgrade
07:09<home>apt-get dist-upgrade
07:09<Apollo>home: syslog can't be empty
07:09<home>syslog is empty
07:09<Apollo>home: syslog can't be empty
07:10<home>it is
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07:10<Apollo>nope, can't
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07:10<home>yes it can and YES IT IS
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07:10<gruetzkopf>it ALWAYS contains stuf
07:10<Apollo>nope it can't, and nope it isn't
07:10<babilen>home: So you didn't follow the release notes and you in particular you didn't upgrade udev and the kernel and rebooted before continuing with the dist-upgrade? Please show us the outpu of the commands I mentioned or at least *tell* us what it is. It would also be appreciated if you could use the enter key less often.
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07:11<ayaka>a iptables about port forwarding problem
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07:13<Apollo>ayaka: you don't need the postrouting rule
07:13<Apollo>and you forgot the OUTPUT rule
07:13<ayaka>Apollo, I see
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07:15<Apollo>!op home
07:15<Apollo>how do you notify ops again?
07:15<heikkila>with ops..
07:15<Apollo>home is starting to piss me off
07:15<Gunman1982>bad idea: insult the people who are trying to help
07:15<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
07:15<home>linsux mother fucker
07:15<home>it SUXKS
07:15<Apollo>!ops home is being annoying
07:15<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: apollo complains about: home is being annoying
07:16<home>dpkg: ops Apollo believes that syslog "CANNOT BE EMPTY"
07:16<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: home complains about: Apollo believes that syslog "CANNOT BE EMPTY"
07:16<Apollo>thx heikkila
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07:16<@weasel>Apollo: and you aren't helping either.
07:16<Apollo>thank you weasel
07:16<Apollo>weasel: I asked for more information
07:16<Apollo>he refused to give said information
07:16<@weasel>so? ignore him.
07:16<Apollo>instead he threw expletives and refused to cooperate
07:18<Apollo>ayaka: /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 -d --dport 5000 -j DNAT --to
07:18<Apollo>followed by: /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i eth0 -o usb0 -d --dport 33 -j ACCEPT
07:18<Apollo>should work
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07:19<ayaka>/sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i eth0 -o usb0 -d --dport 22 -j ACCEPT?
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07:20<ayaka>Apollo, I flush all rules, but it still can't work
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07:24<quantums1ate>here a screencap
07:24<quantums1ate>no syslog
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07:25<gruetzkopf>how did roots home end up there
07:25<quantums1ate>I get "pam unable to dispatch function" when I try to dhclient eth0
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07:26<quantums1ate>google has 4 entries on that
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07:26<gruetzkopf>your ethernet interface has a valid IP in the 192.168 range...
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07:26<gruetzkopf>as most home networks use that it should work
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07:27<quantums1ate>it just doesn't work tho
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07:27<quantums1ate>all other comps work
07:27<quantums1ate>host doesn't work
07:27<quantums1ate>ssh doesn't wrok
07:27<quantums1ate>just says pam unable to dispatch function
07:28<quantums1ate>Destination host unreachable
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07:34<quantums1ate>destination host unreachable
07:34<weasel>ip r
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07:35<quantums1ate>default via dev eth0
07:36<quantums1ate> dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src
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07:39<babilen>quantums1ate: Take a look at your network manager configuration as it might be broken. You might also want to check it without network-manager, but manually (ip link set eth0 up ; dhclient eth0) or using /etc/network/interfaces -- I also strongly urge you to stay on-topic and stop swearing. (last warning)
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07:40<quantums1ate>RTNETLINK answer: file exists
07:41<quantums1ate>babilen: debian just will not transmit any packets
07:41<quantums1ate>iptables is clear too
07:41<quantums1ate>(guess bastille-linux firewall doesn't work anymore either)
07:41<quantums1ate>I wish I didn't upgrade
07:41<quantums1ate>the best thing to do with a linux box is never to upgrade it after installation
07:42<quantums1ate>this isn't microsoft or mac where there are engineers who know what they're doing
07:43<quantums1ate>dmesg has stuff but I don't see any errors
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07:44<babilen>quantums1ate: You also didn't follow the extensive documentation for upgrades in the release notes ( -- Please make sure that the upgrade is completed and check your network configuration. (in particular udev + kernel) -- And *stop blaming us*
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07:45<quantums1ate>how do I check udev
07:46<quantums1ate>babilen: I compiled my own 3.5 kernel
07:46<quantums1ate>like usual
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07:50<Apollo>also: an empty syslog is not normal
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07:50<Apollo>usually indicates bigger problems besides not working networking
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07:50<Apollo>also: are you using wireless or wired?
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07:50<quantums1ate>who in their right mind would use nonworking never working linux not supported urfkill wireless?
07:51<quantums1ate>lol it's a ridiculious question
07:51<quantums1ate>if I'm using linux obviously Im using wires
07:51<Apollo>for the love of god
07:52<Apollo>quantums1ate: please take a picture of ls -al /var/log/
07:52<Apollo>and a picture of dmesg
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07:52<quantums1ate>ill do you one better
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07:53<quantums1ate>I put dmesg on a sdcard
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07:55<quantums1ate>nevyn: another thing that doesn't work, urfkill
07:55<quantums1ate>just doesnn't work with hp laptops
07:55<nevyn>hrm all the laptosp I've had including the hp's had intel wireless which works fine
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07:56<quantums1ate>nope, just complains RFkill is on, cant turn it off hitting fn+the button
07:56<quantums1ate>toshiba worked with urfkill
07:56<quantums1ate>not hp
07:56<Apollo>you compiled your own grsec kernel, and then you're complaining about debian?
07:56<quantums1ate>Apollo: yes I am
07:56<quantums1ate>because debian is the problem
07:56<quantums1ate>grsec kern worked fine
07:57<quantums1ate>debian update killed me
07:57<quantums1ate>and what's so mystical about grsec that the second someone uses it ooooh noooo cant help now
07:57<Apollo>because it's not the default debian kernel
07:57<quantums1ate>so fucking what
07:57<quantums1ate>so you won't help me just because I use something different?
07:57<Apollo>please stop using expletives
07:58<Apollo>we are helping you
07:58<Apollo>Im just pointing out that with you having compiled your own kernel, you probably lack the debian patches
07:58<Apollo>you also could've made incompatible kernel configuration choices
07:58<quantums1ate>I use debian kernel configuration
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08:00<quantums1ate>same one forever
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08:00<bernat>quantums1ate: you can try with a Debian kernel
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08:00<quantums1ate>rescue disk, ofcourse, can get to the network
08:01<abrotman>quantums1ate: can you reproduce the error with a Debian-packaged kernel ?
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08:02<quantums1ate>I don't have enough room on 200mb boot for 2 kernels
08:02<abrotman>well, that was a bad choice by the admin .. probably should talk to him
08:02<abrotman>or her
08:02<quantums1ate>kernels weigh in at over 100mb for the irnmg thing
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08:02<nevyn>yes they do
08:02<abrotman>that makes upgrading your kernel for security issues .. impossible ?
08:02<nevyn>which is why /boot is a reasonably bad idea and should be 512mb
08:02<quantums1ate>debian says use 200mb boot partition
08:03<quantums1ate>in it's manual
08:03<abrotman>nevyn: in the sarge docs? :)
08:03<quantums1ate>when I read it years ago
08:03<abrotman>years ago .. tahnk you ..
08:03<quantums1ate>why are kernels so fat now?
08:03<nevyn>they support more hardware
08:03<quantums1ate>it's like it has an umpaloompa in it's pants and butt sack
08:03<abrotman>they have more stuff ?
08:03<quantums1ate>that bitch is so fat
08:04<nevyn>yes the kernel is phat we know
08:04<quantums1ate>when she shake thos thighs
08:04<abrotman>don't think the manual even suggests a separate /boot/ anymore ..
08:04<Apollo>quantums1ate: are you using network-manager to do your network>
08:04<quantums1ate>niggas pray and make lies
08:04<Apollo>abrotman: it doesn't :)
08:04-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
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08:04-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
08:04<abrotman>and we're done with that
08:04<abrotman>quantums1ate: if you want help next time, try to be respectful, take a timeout
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08:05<ribe>an I just lucky? I have installed Debian in several laptops and a handful of desktops, I have never had any compatibility issues, why is it that so many have to compile the kernel?
08:05<abrotman>and given /msg .. we're done forever
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08:05<abrotman>PS, I'm going to be sorry I did that...
08:06<Calinou>lol, being sorry for that
08:06<bernat>ribe: some people get stuck in the past
08:07<ribe>Iḿ trying to learn guys is there an advantage to compiling the kernel I should know about?
08:07<nevyn>ribe: I build my own kernel for my laptop in order to get -rt and current sound drivers.
08:07<Calinou>ribe, not really... unless you want to do very specific things
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08:07<Calinou>it can be a good passtime if you have nothing to do though, see what nevyn said, lol
08:07<nevyn>but.. I went many many years. without needing to do this
08:07<abrotman>ribe: because some people think they know better, then they mess up, then they blame us ..
08:08<abrotman>nevyn: but they have a -rt- now
08:08<nevyn>and I only do it now because the soundcard driver for my usb2 card is under active development
08:08<nevyn>and it's reasonably essoteric hardware
08:08<ribe>I guess I have been lucky, I have been using Debian on 64 bits laptops and everything works, suspend, sound, video, darn I wish I worked that good!
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08:09<ribe>and I started using Debian with version 4
08:09<bernat>nevyn: you could build alsa instead of the kernel
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08:10<nevyn>bernat: I could... but alsa's release process seems a little be broken to me
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08:10<nevyn>bernat: takashi is primarilly working in the kernel process not the seperate alsa process
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08:11<nevyn>and jaroslav posted on "fixing" this recently
08:12<ribe>abrotman, is that I am stritkly a desk user, I probably know 1/100 of what you guys know about Debian and Linux in general
08:13<abrotman>a desk user?
08:13<abrotman>desktop ?
08:13<yanz>how to remove gnome3?
08:13<ribe>excuse a desktop user
08:13<abrotman>ribe: i've also been using Debian for uh .. 15? years
08:13<abrotman>no .. not quite that long
08:13<abrotman>yanz: aptitude remove gnome3
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08:14<nevyn>abrotman: I think it's nearly that for me.
08:14<ribe>I have been using it close to 5 years here, I remember the first couple of times I tried installing it I did NOT get past 1st base
08:14<abrotman>nevyn: remember when dselect didn't suck .. oh wait, that never happened :)
08:14<nevyn>my first debian was slink which I updated to potato which had just frozen
08:14<nevyn>I don't hate dselect
08:15<nevyn>but I do prefer aptitude
08:15<abrotman>i don't hate it .. but i'd rather never use it ever again
08:15<nevyn>the power of aptitude is astonishing.
08:15<ribe>I HAVE TO ASK what isd the big diferent between apt-get and aptitude?
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08:15<abrotman>ribe: not as much anymore, but the big one is the problem resolver in aptitude
08:16<nevyn>aptitude is way more poweful with complex dependancy resolution
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08:16<abrotman>ribe: aptitude can get you out of some sticky situations .. but sometimes, it's also too smart for its own good
08:16<ribe>I think I may hve used it twice in the last five years?
08:16<nevyn>aptitude can do things like switch jackd implementations without manual selecting every component
08:17<ribe>nice to know THANKS
08:17<abrotman>your caps lock key seems to be having some trouble
08:18*abrotman is waiting to be sorry ...
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08:20<Apollo>abrotman: I think I love you :p
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08:20<abrotman>so what are you so afraid of
08:20*abrotman runs
08:20<Apollo>I'm still stumped how his syslog was empty
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08:21<Apollo>(for the record, I'm running grsec kernels on 12 of my machines)
08:21<abrotman>Apollo: if he hadn't been so rude, maybe he would have been around long enough to tell us
08:21<Apollo>idle hope
08:21<nevyn>Apollo: maybe it was linked to /dev/null to stop the logs filling up
08:22<Apollo>what did he tell you in PM anyway
08:22<Apollo>nevyn: that would be a good one :p
08:22<Apollo>you know, he has to conserv space, 512MB for a kernel is waaaaaay too much
08:22*nevyn wishes disk space were cheaper.
08:22<abrotman>he's going to hunt me down, i'll be sorry
08:22<Calinou>nevyn, it's cheap enough
08:22<abrotman>oh, and he's going to hurt me
08:23<Calinou>on SSDs it's quite expensive though :|
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08:23<Calinou>ribe, apt-get is "better"... faster and simpler
08:23<nevyn>Calinou: hitachi and netapp..
08:23<Calinou>my opinion
08:23<abrotman>themill: judd is bouncing
08:23*themill is bouncing judd
08:23<abrotman>ah okay
08:23<nevyn>it's still 2002 pricing for those guys
08:23<ribe>thanks Calinou
08:23<abrotman>i have no idea why anyone would think 200MB is enough /boot/ or why they even need a separate /boot/
08:23<nevyn>15k 320gb disks that'll be 4k each thanks
08:24<Apollo>Calinou: next time, just don't PM me for stuff like that, thank you
08:24<abrotman>okay, yes, there are some reasons to have a separate /boot/ ... but why make it 200MB!?!?
08:24<Calinou>always PM someone when talking about an op
08:24<Calinou>abrotman, what reasons? *faceplams*
08:24<Apollo>I don't really care for your opinion about abrotman or how he's a power hungry kickhappy ass
08:25<abrotman>Calinou: does grub2 support zfs boot partitions yet?
08:25<abrotman>Apollo: Calinou is having issues getting along with people, it's been noted by a few ops
08:25<abrotman>Calinou: or does grub2 support btrfs?
08:26<abrotman>(i don't know, i'm just suggesting that may be a resaon)
08:26<Calinou>btrfs/zfs: who uses that? we have ext4
08:26<abrotman>right ..
08:26<cyril_>Or what if you use some for of partition encryption? Could it be that case that you have a separate unencrypted /boot?
08:26<cyril_>some sort *
08:27<Apollo>cyril_: that's one of the usecases yes
08:27<themill>200MB for /boot/ is heaps. That would be enough for about 15 debian kernels + their initramfs with standard initramfs config.
08:27<abrotman>MB ?
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08:27<themill>sure. Stuff all goes in /boot
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08:28<themill>/dev/sda1 228M 36M 180M 17% /boot (with 2 kernels installed)
08:28<ansgar>themill: I have already 117 MB or so on /boot. Because I'm usually too lazy to remove old kernels.
08:28<nevyn>actually that matches mine
08:28<abrotman>didn't the initrd used to be much larger?
08:28*grove has a seperate /boot on his laptop exactly because the rest of the disc is encrypted. It was installed as squeeze, and the installer set all that stuff up, and /boot is 228M
08:28<Calinou>themill, it's like 200M is expensive ;)
08:28<Apollo>7 kernels installed
08:28<ribe>if you have a small HD, if space is an issue, does it make sense to let the install set it up for you all under / instead of separate partitions?
08:28<nevyn>/dev/sda1 228M 55M 161M 26% /boot
08:28<Calinou>I have one partition anyway. not bothering about multi-partition stuff
08:28<themill>nevyn: copycat!
08:29<abrotman>you guys are so cute
08:29<nevyn>themill: it's not my fault the installer did it!
08:29<abrotman>well, there you go .. shows what i know .. i'll go back to my cave
08:29<abrotman>now i have to go find him and apologize and let him back in
08:29<nevyn>initrd's run to about 10mb
08:29<cyril_>Also I'm not sure how this guy's initrd where 100MB ; they are about 10MB (gzipped) on my machines...
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08:30<themill>if you set modules = all in the initramfs config you could do that
08:30<abrotman>cyril_: perhaps he compiled everyting into the kernel? or put a ton o fstuff in his initrd
08:30<Apollo>abrotman: you're so cute :p
08:30<nevyn>so how did he have a 100mb initrd. oh.. if he used the whole make make modules make zimage stuff it might have messed up
08:30<Apollo>I'm sure that's exactly what he did
08:30<cyril_>Oh yeah I forgot he tried to build his own kernel.
08:30<Apollo>"Have to compile everything in my kernel, modules suck!"
08:30<themill>hmm... modules=all was perhaps some other old thing I'm misremembering.
08:31<Apollo>or something
08:31<nevyn>I build custom kernels (but using make deb-pkg) and installing them with dpkg
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08:32<abrotman>so we should let him come back?
08:32<Calinou>imo, yes
08:32<ribe>this one is for all of you, you think there is a future for googleś cloud idea? ie their chrome OS?
08:33<Calinou>ribe, > #debian-offtopic please ;)
08:33<Calinou>and no there isn't.
08:34<Apollo>he was insulting and not cooperating, blaming everything on everyone but himself
08:34<ribe>just that I see so many other Linux and Debian based OS introducing that idea.... just though I would ask
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08:34<nevyn>ribe: you can ask but not here.
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08:35<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
08:35<abrotman>ribe: really, if you want generally nerdy chitchat, use #debian-offtopic .. they talk about all sorts of goofy things there
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08:36<ribe>got it got it thanks
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08:39<alyosha>hi, is there any "debian online tour" like they have in ubuntu ? like this --->
08:39<alyosha>it would be nice if there was something simmilar
08:40<abrotman>what does it do ?
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08:41<alyosha>it's like tour of the distro can allso click some stuff and open
08:41<alyosha>check it out because my english is not so good
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08:41<nevyn>it looks like it's somewhere betwen a screencast and VDI
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08:42<nevyn>hrm more like vdi actually
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08:42<alyosha>here is the official project
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08:46<abrotman>alyosha: we do have new user docs, and a wiki .. but really, many things are th same
08:47<abrotman>alyosha: start with and .. not as uhm, GUI friendly, but tons of information
08:51<Calinou> has some sort of tour, yes
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08:52<babilen>alyosha: A good book is also but there is nothing like the Ubuntu tour AFAIK
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08:53<nevyn>alyosha: what's your native language ?
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08:54<nevyn>22:47 < alyosha> check it out because my english is not so good
08:54<fix>allright, I got firefox 14 installed and Im happy, it was actually so easy a caveman could do it
08:54<babilen>fix: I am not surprised
08:55<fix>next time I hear someone complain as I did, Ill just walk em through it I guess :P
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08:56<babilen>fix: You really want to recommend -- We cannot support firefox and I don't know how well it integrates into the system. But #mozilla on Freenode can probably take over for us. Either way: Glad you've solved it, but lets just try to focus on the task at hand a little bit more next time, ok?
08:57<fix>right, I just came back to say thanks.
08:57<fix>and idle so long as I didnt put u off too much
08:57<babilen>fix: hehe :) enjoy and have a nice day!
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08:59<mum0l>hello every debian fans ;) I have a problem with authorizing users to AD via nslcd with ssl, maybe some of you have idea what could it be..? Here I describe the problem:
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09:07<alyosha>abrotman yes yes i know...we are creating some kind of debian users group in Slovenia and i thought maby we could put something like that on website
09:08<alyosha>nevyn my nativ language is Slovenian...i understand and english well i just don't write so well
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09:10<dpkg>methinks sl is a very useful spell checker if you often mistype ls. Exists as a Debian package.
09:10<abrotman>alyosha: hrm, i ran into a guy on freenode using Debian from slovenia
09:11<fix>I got one issue thats buggin me, why is it, every time I click on a terminal thats been open for a while, the first character I type doesnt get entered, its driving me nuts
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09:11<fix>its like the first key press has to "wake up" the terminal
09:12*abrotman neesds to change his logging
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09:14<cyril_>fix: what terminal are you using? (echo $TERM should give you an answer)
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09:15<fix>im using xterm
09:15<fix>it only happens to a terminal thats been idle for a while
09:16<fix>when I begin typin the first character doesnt get entered, I always end up havin to stop typing and go back, and re-enter the first thing I allready typed all over again
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09:16<cyril_>fix: I understand your problem, I wanted to have more precise search terms to give to google :)
09:17<fix>its not really a big issue, its just more of an irritation
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09:20<cyril_>fix: I honestly am no too sure about you problem, but are you able to reproduce it fairly consistently? (like you know that by leaving an xterm alone for X minutes, you'll get the problem)
09:21<fix>I have three debian machines here, one running gnome and two running lxde
09:21<fix>all three run xterm and have the same issue
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09:21<fix>maybe xterm is the issue
09:22<cyril_>fix: Ok ; what you could try is use rxvt instead for a while and see if it disappear
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09:23<cyril_>fix: if so, then it is likely to be xterm itself causing the problem ; then write down your xterm -version and ask the xterm guys?
09:23<babilen>fix: That is on squeeze isn't it? Can you reproduce it with, say, urxvt-unicode as well? What about gnome-terminal? I would be quite surprised if such a bug would have gone unnoticed until now so it definitely makes sense to check the BTS ( ) for reports again xterm.
09:23<fix>yes squeeze
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09:27<babilen>fix: And just to make sure: The first character is truly missing (as in you type "ls" and "s" is displayed running (the perceived "s") does not run "ls") ?
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09:27<fix>so you can imagine how frustratingly annoying that is
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09:29<babilen>fix: Sure -- I would recommend to use rxvt-unicode in the meanwhile (or forever), but that bug should still be fixed. Anything out of the ordinary for your system? I would be truly surprised if this bug managed to have gone unnoticed until now, but meh ...
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09:30<fix>yeah Its not that big of a deal, I just figured id mention it, I do a lot of editing text files in terminals and sometimes Im really bangin away and it happens
09:30<babilen>fix: I just tried xterm on sid and really can't reproduce it. I also checked it in a, slightly outdated, squeeze VM and couldn't reproduce it there either.
09:30<fix>you have to leave the terminal open for a whole
09:30<fix>Im not sure exactly how long it has to be open, but it only happens if a terminal is left open for an extended time, like over an hour
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09:31<babilen>Can you quantify "a while" ? Does it happen *every time* after N second/minutes? Could you watch the process with strace and do you see anything out of the ordinary?
09:32<fix>ill spend some time today observing this so I can try and narrow down a more accurate description of how long it takes
09:32<babilen>Hmm, over an hour is hard to reproduce in less than an hour. I'll try though and get back to you. But still: anything special about your system that you can think of? That is such annoying behaviour that it would have been reported.
09:32<fix>but Im thinking its at least an hour
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09:54<oldeagle>after upgrade from lenny to squeeze I always get "mysql-server has been kept back" when doing dist-upgrades. Thanks for any hints.
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09:56<themill>"aptitude install mysql-server-5.1" might be sufficient
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09:57<babilen>oldeagle: Also see "/msg dpkg squeeze mysql" for other common issues.
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10:01<SynrG>oldeagle: do you have any non-debian packages installed on the system that might make the upgrade impossible? if so, see if they were made for lenny, and if they have associated apt sources entries, update those for squeeze as well (if a squeeze version is available)
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10:09<themill>looks about right
10:09<oldeagle>SynrG, I do not think so.
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10:10<oldeagle>babilen, thanks. Will try themills suggestion now.
10:10<oldeagle>themill, thanks. Will try :)
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10:13<oldeagle>themill, worked fine! My groupware is till working.... Thanks a lot for helping!
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10:14<oldeagle>babilen, thanks for helping.
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10:14<oldeagle>SynrG, thanks for helping.
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10:20<SynrG>themill: apt is just super careful about replacing a real package with one that does an unversioned Provides of the original?
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10:21<themill>mysql-server is a real package in both releases; installing it in the upgrade requires removing a pile of mysql 5.0 stuff so apt doesn't want to do it.
10:22<themill>And it looks like we'll have the same "what do you mean upgrade path" approach for mysql in squeeze->wheezy
10:22<themill>a dummy package mysql-server-5.0 -> mysql-server-5.1 would have been enough
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11:06<fix>I found a bug
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11:06<fix>Synergy when copy and paste from one screen to the other, it ends up in chinese!
11:06<fix>Ive been using synergy for years, but I have never seen this
11:06<Apollo>fix: that's a Synergy bug then
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11:07<fix>makes me think the chinese got my puter bugged, maybe stealin my clipboard data
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11:09<babilen>fix: BTW -- I couldn't reproduce your bug. No idea what that means, but I couldn't.
11:09<fix>yeah me either, yet
11:09<fix>itll happen when I have to edit 60html pages or multiple css stylesheets then BAM
11:10<fix>when I least expect it
11:10<babilen>fix: I would recommend a switch to rxvt-unicode in any case though -- rxvt-unicode-256colors preferably, but that is not in squeeze.
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11:11<babilen>Should be pretty easy to backport that package though -- /msg dpkg ssb
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11:15<Corin_EU>Can anybody help me to get vkeybd working with timidity (Debian testing)?
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11:18<fix>im going 2bed
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11:18<Corin_EU>Pleasant dreams Fix and do not let the bed bugs bite!
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11:19<Corin_EU>Can anybody help me to get vkeybd working with timidity (Debian testing)?
11:20<babilen>Corin_EU: I have absolutely no knowledge of timidity and vkeybd, but I know that it helps tremendously to give a better error description. Just assume that we can help you and provide some details and we might spot something.
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11:21<Corin_EU>Babilen: I just do not want to start typing away in vain ... So here are the details
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11:21<Corin_EU>I have installed vkeybd. I can use this with a real sequencer hardware AWE64 to get sounds when tapping on the keys, vkeybd --port 18:0
11:21<babilen>Corin_EU: Well -- It is the best I could offer. You might also want to just sent a mail to one of the timidity mailing lists -- Or is it a Debian relation issue?
11:22<Corin_EU>I have timidty installed and can play midi files with it no problem, aplaymidi --addr 128:0 midi_file
11:22<babilen>You are probably more likely to get help there. I am not aware of any timidity IRC channel.
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11:22<Corin_EU>BUT if I try vkeybd --port 128:0 (the timidity port) I get no sounds when tapping the keys
11:23<Corin_EU>Some web sites say you need to have a virtual media device on port 24 and connect that to 128, I have done this, but makes no difference
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11:23<Corin_EU>So timidity works, vkeybd works but trying to get them to work together is failing
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11:24<Corin_EU>So Babilen, do you see the problem Iam having now?
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11:26<babilen>Corin_EU: yes I do -- unfortunately I can't help you (just yet) -- I would write to the mailing list ... Is the port listed when you run nmap against localhost? Does README.Debian of either timidity or vbkeybd discuss this issue?
11:27<Corin_EU>nmap is not relevant -- these are not IP ports, then are midi sound ports. I will check the README files now (I had forgotten to look there)
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11:29<Corin_EU>Babilen: timidity is not mentioned in the /usr/share/doc/vkeybd files nor vkeybd in the /usr/share/doc/timidity files
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11:30<Corin_EU>Babilen: is there a Debian multimedia IRC channel?
11:31<babilen>Not really ... i am trying to think of a channel for "linux sound geeks" but not being one myself kinda makes it hard
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11:32<Corin_EU>Babilen: okay thanks -- as I sort of implied at the start -- if you have not already tried this out yourself or are familiar with midi it will be rather out of your depth.
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11:33<babilen>Corin_EU: And you were right about it -- it is just that a lot of people just ask this kind of meta question and we would have been able to help if we knew the real question in the first place. I guess that the mailing list is your best option. *sigh*
11:34<Corin_EU>Babilen: you are probably wondering why if I have a real seq device why I want to get it to work with timidity -- the reason is that it is for another machine which only has a motherboard Intel chip without any midi capabilities
11:34<Corin_EU>When I was trying to get it to work there (amd64 debian testing) it was just silent, so that is why I have been trying it out on my main desktop
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11:35<Corin_EU>Babilen: thanks for trying to help anyways, and I will check out that timidity mailing list.
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11:36*Corin_EU waves.
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11:37<Q-FUNK>is there any way to make the resolver stop attempting to connect to IPv6 hosts, if the only local IPv6 address we have is the mac adresss derived link?
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11:38<Q-FUNK>e.g. returns both A and AAAA records and the system currently tries connecting to the IPv6 address,
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11:39<Q-FUNK>which of course fails since I don't have any IPv6 route to the outside, as I'm beind an IPv4 NAT.
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11:39<dpkg>From Debian Squeeze/6.0 onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
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11:44<Q-FUNK>retrospectacus: I didn't say that I wanted to disable IPv6. I only said that I don't want the system to attempt to connect to IPv6 hosts if we don't have any IPv6 address of our own.
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14:11<Samkov>hey all I am curious if there is a way to not install certain packages during a squeeze installation ie: openoffice?
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14:11<retrospectacus>Samkov: sure, don't choose "Desktop" on the tasksel screen during installation
14:12<retrospectacus>then install the desktop features and apps you want manually with aptitude later
14:12<Samkov>hmmm ok, thats just gonna give me the vanilla debian then correct?
14:12<Samkov>like no gnome or anything
14:12<retrospectacus>just the base system yep
14:13<retrospectacus>!install gnome
14:13<dpkg>To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>.
14:13<babilen>!tell Samkov -about install gnome
14:13<pparadis>Samkov: install only the "standard system utilities" (and perhaps "laptop" and "ssh server") tasks, and then do a minimal desktop install afterward. if you want a minimal gnome2 setup, try this -->
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14:14*babilen wouldn't recommend to disable recommends, in particular not globally. They can easily be disabled on a case-by-case basis with -R or --no-install-recommends. Also see "/msg dpkg why recommends"
14:15<babilen>And that list is quite biased -- I would start with gnome-session and install whatever else is desired.
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14:16<Samkov>hmm alright
14:16<Samkov>than you guys all for the information :)
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14:20<sungetzu>With the OSI model(Application layer); "the application layer determines the identity and availability of communication partners for an application with data to transmit." When determining the identity; are we talking which protocol is being used? i.e. A website is using ssl, so this is identified by the HTTPS protcol.
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14:30<pedebian>is this the best for a help channel?
14:30<retrospectacus>only for debian
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14:30<pedebian>my mouse cursor froze
14:30<fprophet>Can anyone help me with an xinit error?
14:31<pedebian>is that a bug in testing?
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14:31<pedebian>anyway, my problem is a grub / boot loader problem... can anyone help me here?
14:32<pedebian>I did a refresh install of wheezy and I guess I chose the wrong option for installing grub
14:32<pedebian>it installed it to the mbr of the wrong drive and partition... but, I restore it to the same drive now but to that mbr so it wiped out the windows boot loader
14:33<pparadis>!tell pedebian about fixmbr
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14:33<pedebian>was I supposed to install it to the root partition or is what I chose the only option and that's the process?
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14:34<TobiX>pedebian: Most of the time that is what you want. You can then start Windows from grub
14:34<pparadis>pedebian: did you get a pm from dpkg?
14:34<pedebian>yeah, but I did that part but not exactly that...
14:35<TobiX>pedebian: See os-prober for an automatic way to add Windows to the grub menu
14:35<pedebian>I followed those steps after booting a live cd
14:35<pparadis>when dealing with computers, you generally need to be exact.
14:35<pedebian>TobiX: huh?
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14:36<TobiX>pedebian: What do you want? Start Windows and Debian from grub or something else?
14:37<pparadis>TobiX: i don't know where you're getting windows in all this.
14:37<pparadis>14:32 < pedebian> I did a refresh install of wheezy and I guess I chose the wrong option for installing grub
14:37<pedebian>TobiX: start Windows from grub... I can start Debian from grub now but no other operating systems are detected
14:37<pedebian>I think I need to repair the Windows MBR?
14:37<pparadis>oh never mind, i'm completely backward then
14:37<pedebian>I'm used to grub legacy :-(
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14:38<fprophet>I am trying to setup x11 forwarding for a vps that runs debian 6.0, are there any recommendations? would like ot keep it as lightweight as possible
14:38<TobiX>pedebian: Is os-prober installed?
14:38<pedebian>never heard of it
14:38<pedebian>how can i tell via CLI?
14:38<TobiX>dpkg -l os-prober
14:38<dpkg>ii os-prober 2.1-2 tobix's private gamp collection
14:39<pedebian>it's installed
14:39<TobiX>pedebian: It should be installed after a defualt install and add all detected operating systems to the grub2 boot menu...
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14:40<pedebian># os-prober
14:40<pedebian>/dev/sdc1:Windows 7 (loader):Windows:chain
14:40<pedebian>/dev/sdc3:Linux Mint Debian Edition (1):LinuxMint:linux
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14:41<pedebian>that fixed it?
14:41<retrospectacus>pedebian: dpkg told you what to do already, and we don't support Mint here
14:41<TobiX>No. Try update-grub
14:41<pedebian>sorry, if that's considered flooding
14:41<pedebian>retrospectacus: I don't care about mint
14:42<TobiX>pedebian: Does update-grub list that Win7 as well?
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14:42<pedebian>TobiX: yes
14:42<pedebian>all was found
14:42<TobiX>pedebian: Then it should be in your grub boot menu now.
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14:43<pedebian>I should reboot to check?
14:43<TobiX>pedebian: You can check in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
14:43<pedebian>I thought the windows mbr was overwritten... strange
14:43<jobattle>any python experts out there?
14:44<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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14:45<pedebian>TobiX: it shows there
14:45<pedebian>but I'm concerned it will have an entry but then won't boot
14:46<TobiX>pedebian: Windows doesn't need any stuff in the mbr. The default code in the mbr just chain-loads the active Windows partition...
14:46<jobattle>has anyone used pyftdi?
14:46<TobiX>Did you write grub INTO the Windows partition?
14:46<pedebian>TobiX: I think so
14:46<pedebian>at the beginning
14:47<pparadis>the windows bootloader gets chainloaded from grub is what he's saying, but yeah, if you overwrote the windows side you'll need to repair that.
14:47<retrospectacus>jobattle: see !anyone ^
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14:47<pedebian>in the debian installer, it wants to install onto a HDD MBR and I think it chooses the sda HDD which isnt' even the one I was installing to
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14:47<pparadis>!tell pedebian about ms-sys
14:48<pedebian>then I choose sdc MBR and windows 7 is installed to sdc1
14:48<pedebian>debian is in sdc2
14:48<TobiX>pedebian: If you wrote to anything without a number at the end (sda, sdb, sdc), you are safe, if you wrote it into a partition (sda1, sdc3, etc.), you might have destroyed the Windows loader
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14:50<pedebian>I might be safe then
14:50<pedebian>I'll going to check
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14:52<fprophet>I've installed x-window-system, but whenever I try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it says xserver-xfree86 is uninstalled?
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14:52<TobiX>fprophet: Isn't xserver-xorg the correct package?
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14:53<fprophet>maybe, truthfully, I don
14:53<fprophet>don't know
14:54<retrospectacus>!wayttd fprophet
14:54<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, fprophet?
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14:55<fprophet>I am trying to NOT get this Fatal server error: xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory)
14:55<fprophet>I'm trying to setup x11 forwarding for my debian 6.0 vps
14:56<TobiX>fprophet: You don't even need an xserver for that on your vps (at least not one with a real display)
14:57<fprophet>tobix: oh? what would you recommend I do
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14:58<TobiX>fprophet: Try a VNC server or xpra (or even, most lightweight, just use ssh -X for X-Forwarding)
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14:59<fprophet>tobix: okay, I'll try it
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15:02<fprophet>x-forwarding requires x11 to be installed, right?
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15:04<TobiX>Well, you need a X server at your client and any X client (application) on the server.
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15:05<TobiX>fprophet: What are you running on your client, right now?
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15:05<fprophet>I was using xming
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15:06<TobiX>fprophet: With PuTTY? Or OpenSSH?
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15:07<TobiX>fprophet: Did you enable X11-Forwarding in PuTTY?
15:07<fprophet>tobix: yes
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15:07<TobiX>fprophet: Did you enable it in the SSH server?
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15:08<fprophet>tobix: yes, I did
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15:08<TobiX>fprophet: Sounds good so far. Does "echo $DISPLAY" on the server output anything?
15:09<fprophet>tobix: blank
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15:11<TobiX>fprophet: Look into the PuTTY Event Log, is there any mention of X11 forwarding?
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15:13<fprophet>tobix: where can I find the event log
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15:13<fprophet>tobix: wait, nevermind that
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15:14<fprophet>tobix: no logs.
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15:17<TobiX>fprophet: Seriously? There should be at least the connection info...
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15:25<fprophet>am I missing something? I have openssh-server package installed, but cat: /etc/ssh2/sshd2_config: No such file or directory
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15:26<TobiX>fprophet: It'S in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
15:26<fprophet>tobix: oh, thank you
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15:39<letsgetwet20>I just setup nameservers for myself on my vps. If i want to host multiple domains do I need to make an additional entry into /etc/bind/zones/master/
15:40<letsgetwet20>or Do i configure all of this in apache
15:40<fprophet>tobix: Already, I have the event log sorted out.
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15:44<fprophet>tobix: $DISPLAY echos out localhost:10.0
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15:46<TobiX>fprophet: Try starting xterm or some other X application
15:46<fprophet>tobix: xforwarding is working now :)
15:46<fprophet>thank you
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16:08<hugoval>hi :)
16:08<ivo888>i seems to have problem with...... my usb, cardreader or sd card
16:08<hugoval>why ?
16:09<ivo888>i copy 5-6 mp3, and it take more than 2min
16:09<ivo888>gkrellm label about 40-50k hdd activity
16:09<hugoval>I can't help you
16:10<hugoval>It's not my domain
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16:10<ivo888>ok. no problem
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16:11<cybersphinx_>ivo888: Should it be faster? Cheap flash memory can be very slow.
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16:12<ivo888>No, no. On other laptop with windows it work fine.
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16:12<ivo888>it is true that it is old, but it is apacer 1gb 60X
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16:12<ivo888>it can run with minimum 2mb/s and much more :)
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16:19<cybersphinx_>ivo888: Hm... not sure where to look then. Maybe google for the usb id (lsusb), look at dmesg output, or the mount settings (sync would be slower, not sure if that slow though).
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16:23<ivo888>I`m not shure which usb is cardreader. at the end of dmesg there is: [85032.473294] FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
16:23<ivo888>I use this card in fm transmitter
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16:50<m4dh4x0r>Woo FIsh!
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16:52*retrospectacus slaps m4dh4x0r with a large trout
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16:55<ompaul>retrospectacus: stop that it's catching!
16:56<m4dh4x0r>Woo Dachshund!
16:56<m4dh4x0r>Woo $5 Pizza!
16:56<m4dh4x0r>sup room? Debian rocks :)
16:57<retrospectacus>yes it does :) Do you have a support question? If not please chat in #debian-offtopic
16:57<m4dh4x0r>anyone got a rt5370 device?
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16:57<dpkg>Experimental support for Ralink RT53xx USB 802.11n devices (e.g. RT5370: USB IDs 13d3:3329, 13d3:3365, 148f:5370, 148f:5372) was added to the rt2800usb driver at Linux 3.0 (CONFIG_RT2800USB_RT53XX). Ask me about <rt2800usb>.
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16:58<m4dh4x0r>werd? i love that bot
16:59<dpkg>Ralink 802.11n/g USB chipsets (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072, RT3370, RT3572, RT5370, RT5372) are supported by the rt2x00 project's rt2800usb driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.31. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>.
16:59<dpkg>libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling <CSS>-encrypted DVDs, not to be confused with <DeCSS>. It is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To acquire, install the libdvdcss2 package available from deb-multimedia, ask me about <dmm>.
16:59<blast007>m4dh4x0r: the bot also responds in a /msg or /query
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17:00<m4dh4x0r>thats bad ass :) ima join off topic now thanx dpkg bot :)
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17:12<Rogowski>someone needs a back-end developer?
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17:16<dpkg>ompaul: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi per sapere di più.
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17:17<dpkg>fabio_: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi per sapere di più.
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17:22<heikkila>test failed
17:22<pparadis>please insert 25 cents.
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17:25<administrator>@heikkila ;)
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17:28<ProgVal>test failed
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17:29<dan|2>Can I ask a question here?
17:29<ProgVal>you already did
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17:30<dan|2>so can I ask a third question? :)
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17:31<retrospectacus>only if it's a debian support question....
17:31<dan|2>ok, kind of
17:31<m4dh4x0r>sorry wrong channel ...
17:31<dan|2>I'm noob, and got a debian Vps. I'm connecting to terminal using SSH (Putty).
17:31<dan|2>What happen when Putty window is accidently closed while a big package is being installed??
17:32<retrospectacus>it should finish, unless it stopped waiting for input
17:32<retrospectacus>to avoid this install and use SCREEN :)
17:32<retrospectacus>or tmux
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17:32<m4dh4x0r>! where is beer?
17:32<dpkg>m4dh4x0r: I think you lost me on that one
17:32<m4dh4x0r>! where is beer?
17:33<retrospectacus>m4dh4x0r: wrong channel again
17:33<dan|2>so you mean it will continue on ist own, enen when I disconnected
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17:34<retrospectacus>dan|2: I think so
17:34<m4dh4x0r>retrospectacus, im trying to get the bot to say something funny.. its not working..
17:35<retrospectacus>no funny bots here, just helpful ones
17:35<dan|2>and what happen when an input is expected in the middle?
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17:35<m4dh4x0r>well i got him to tell me beer was at (insert website here) in private lol
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17:36<retrospectacus>dan|2: I think it'll just die after a while. There's no way to get back to it
17:36<retrospectacus>dan|2: look into screen or tmux
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17:37<retrospectacus>dan|2: you can fix this install with "apt-get -f install" or "dpkg-reconfigure foopackage" I think
17:37<ProgVal>there are hacky ways to get back the stdin/stfout of a process
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17:37<dan|2>thanks. does SCREEN mean remote desktop?
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17:38<retrospectacus>dan|2: no, it's just a kind of terminal holder that you can re-attach to
17:38<fprophet>where can I find a rundown on uptime
17:38<fprophet>specifically, users
17:39<retrospectacus>fprophet: eh?
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17:39<dan|2>thanks very much I'm searching about that...
17:40<fprophet>the uptime commmand, I want to learn about the information provided by it
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17:40<retrospectacus>fprophet: read the manual?
17:41<fprophet>good idea
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18:10<gnurbs>hi all
18:11<gnurbs>I just installed linux-image-3.5 (old kernel was 3.2-3) and i think it builts a broken initramfs
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18:13<gnurbs>the system has a usb-keyboard which does nothing, and also root is on a lvm on a luks, and the prompt for passphrase does not appear
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18:13<perlwizard>I didn't realize squeeze had 3.5 anywhere in it
18:13<m4dh4x0r>gnurbs, did you build the kernel by hand?
18:14<m4dh4x0r>perlwizard, it doesnt
18:14<gnurbs>nope its wheezy
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18:14<gnurbs>oh sorry
18:14<m4dh4x0r>yeah wheezy is "testing"
18:14<retrospectacus>3.5 is in experimental
18:14<gnurbs>guess I'm on the wrong channel then
18:14<m4dh4x0r>no ur good
18:14<perlwizard>yeah experimental sounds more realistic
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18:15<retrospectacus>goto #debian-next for >squeeze support
18:15<m4dh4x0r>ur in the right channel its just the package you installed methinks is alpha and bugs are expected do you have your old kernel to fall back on ?
18:15<gnurbs>yes, I also have experimental in apt-sources, but pinned to 200
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18:15<gnurbs>all right, i'll ask there, thank you anyways
18:16<m4dh4x0r>kewl kewl
18:16<retrospectacus>m4dh4x0r: no, there is another channel for testing/sid
18:16<m4dh4x0r>did not know
18:16<m4dh4x0r>wheezy is testing sid is experimental right?
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18:17<perlwizard>sid is sid
18:17<perlwizard>experimental is experimental
18:17<m4dh4x0r>see i remember when debian testing was stable as all get out...
18:17<retrospectacus>sid is aka unstable
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18:18<m4dh4x0r>too bad i dont like the new release schedule... also changes in kernel modules and hw support with 3.x kernels is driving me nutz
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18:24<nevyn>sid is unstable
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18:28<constintinevamp>ima bit behind as ive been mucking with buisness rather than keeping up with releases
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18:29<retrospectacus>no need to "keep up"... just run stable and be happy
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18:31<constintinevamp>lol see im skrewed atm cause i cant dl stable im stuck with ubuntu 12.04 (whick ive highly modified and running MATE not unity ) my connection took me a week to get ubuntu... im getting clear next week though :) YAY!
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19:51<Jooles>Quick question you guys. How active is #debian-sparc?
19:52<constintinevamp>Jooles, im afraid you may be SOL
19:52<constintinevamp>then again i am no expert
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19:52<Jooles>Lame. It's missing some stuff from eventfd.h and I don't know if it's a debian specific problem or a problem with a particular package
19:53<constintinevamp>probably a package issue
19:53<constintinevamp>what release?
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19:54<Jooles>I upgraded from stable to see if it helped but it hasn't thus far
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19:56<Jooles>I could move all the way to unstable to see if that helps but I'd rather not unless I know for sure it'll fix the problem. The sparc machine is my server so I'm sure you can appreciate why
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19:56<constintinevamp>Jooles, tryt #debian-next
19:57<dragondon_>greetings all, I am trying to figure out how to compile a kernel (on a Vm if that matters). the instructions I have found seem to be missing important steps. Anyone got a link to a good how-t on this? I am using Deb Squeeze
19:57<constintinevamp>they are testing/unstable pplz
19:57<madmax>I am about to poop eggrolls! Every scanner I have tried with GNU/Linux sucks. About to go out and buy one that does work with non "hipster OS X" or Windows. Any suggestions?
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19:57<Jooles>constintinevamp: Worth a shot. Thanks. For reference, what's next? Isn't that a window manager or am I just being dense?
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19:57<Jooles>Oh, already answered :P. Thanks
19:57<madmax>Not GNU/Linux fault. Its the wankers that make the hardware.
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19:58<Jooles>madmax I've never had any trouble with my Canon MP210 all in one
19:58<constintinevamp>yes madmax
19:58<madmax>ahhh thx guys!!!!
19:58<constintinevamp>wankers! all ov them!
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19:58<madmax>=) so true!
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20:01<retrospectacus>!tell dragondon_ about make-kpkg
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20:05<dragondon_>retrospectacus, thanks. One q, do I replace "kernel_image" with the version number of the kernel I am compiling?
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20:06<dragondon_>retrospectacus, for the "make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image" command that is
20:06<retrospectacus>no idea
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20:06<dragondon_>well, guess I'm winging it.....
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20:07<retrospectacus>I think that'll be the generated file name
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20:07<retrospectacus>guessing from the man page, I've never used it
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20:08<sney>make deb-pkg is a little easier imho
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20:09<dragondon_>geeze, how many ways are there to compile a kernel??
20:10<dragondon_>damn you douglas adams!
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20:12<sney>dragondon_: strictly speaking, there's one way to compile a kernel, and several ways to do everything else (initrd, configuration, modules, packaging)
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20:13<dragondon_>sney, thanks, still rather confusing to first timers. Many things are 'assumed' in the instructions I keep finding (like I should know which directory I should be in to run a particular command). A very rough way to learn :/
20:14<sney>nod, there aren't as many basic first time primers as there were when I started off
20:14<sney>this hunt for user friendliness has sort of stifled a lot of the early command line use stuff
20:15<dragondon_>ok, so running the "make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image" I get a message starting with "We do not seem to be in a top level linux kernel source directory tree". I am in /usr/src and have made sure the package was update. Which dire should I be in?
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20:15<sney>you should be in /usr/src/linux-version
20:15<dragondon_>sney, thanks
20:15<dragondon_>ls -al
20:16<dragondon_>doh...wrong window...heh
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20:16<sney>!tell dragondon_ -about kernel handbook
20:16<babilen>Isn't relatively well maintained?
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20:16<sney>too slow. it's not really newbie documentation though
20:17<babilen>One might argue that compiling a kernel is something no newbie should be subjected to these days ;)
20:18<sney>well, unless they want to be
20:18<sney>I think it's a useful learning experience
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20:20<dragondon_>from my point, I am looking at a bit more efficiency reason for doing so, possibly clearing out any problems caused due to some software/config settings that might interfere. Trimming the fat really (i.e. I don't really need bluetooth support on a VM...)
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20:21<gotmynick>you can always blacklist modules
20:22<dragondon_>gotmynick, that's getting into a whole new area of step at a time methinks :)
20:23<gotmynick>a virtual machine should not load the bluetooth modules, unless you configure it to share the device with the host
20:23<babilen>And modules wouldn't be loaded unless needed (or manually configured) anyway
20:24<gotmynick>anyway, building a kernel, is always fun and exciting
20:24<gotmynick>and a learning experience
20:24<dragondon_>yes, hence one reason I am doing it :)
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20:25<babilen>But *shrug* -- If you want to compile a kernel: Have fun! I would rather recommend to read + learn the things in and and ... but meh
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20:27<dragondon_>gotmynick, not sure about the 'not being loaded' thing but in my boot sequence I see "Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.14" so Bluetooth is being setup in some form. Although I suspect I am looking much farther down the road to understanding this part
20:27<gotmynick>boot sequence gives messages
20:28<gotmynick>if the subsystem is compiled in (as a module or whatever), it may give messages
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20:28<gotmynick>but that does not mean that the kernel uses it
20:28<gotmynick>if there is no bluetooth device in your VM, the kernel is clever and will not use the subsystem
20:28<gotmynick>lsmod + modinfo are your friends
20:28<dragondon_>gotmynick, I get that, part of my learning to compile the kernel is to be able to remove things I will never be using (i.e. bluetooth in a VM).
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20:29<gotmynick>grep _BT_ /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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20:30<dragondon_>gotmynick, one step at a time, I'll get into that after I learn how to compile :)
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20:30<gotmynick>this last command will give you modules and built-in features you want to disable on your custom kernel
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20:31<dragondon_>thanks, keeping that for future ref :)
20:32<gotmynick>in debian you can always install the linux-doc package
20:32<gotmynick>it's the /Documentation/ folder included with the kernel sources
20:33<gotmynick>very good references to learn without read the kernel code
20:33<dragondon_>gotmynick, I have those but I found that some of them seem terribly outdated in directions. but will keep it in mind, thanks for the reminder
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20:34<gotmynick>yes... documentation is always a) outdated or b) incomplete
20:34<gotmynick>but it's more easy to read than code :)
20:34<dragondon_>before I Google, do I need CAN bus susbsystem support in a VM (or at all really?)
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20:35<gotmynick>I see it's network related
20:36<gotmynick>description: Controller Area Network PF_CAN core
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20:36<gotmynick>mostly not
20:36<dragondon_>ah, I recall what it is no, indeed. thanks
20:37<gotmynick>my KVM machines always use the virtio net driver
20:37<gotmynick>it may depend on the virtualization technology you're using
20:38<gotmynick>"lspci -v | grep driver" may help
20:39<gotmynick>note that kvm-qemu machines can change device drivers with invocation switches
20:39<gotmynick>I choosed virtio driver for net after some benchmarks
20:41<dragondon_>gotmynick, I probably won't be getting that detailed for awhile, but good to know stuff. Keeping that command handy too :)
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21:54<mxktmdude>has anyone here made a bootable usb of debian for uefi before?
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22:24<pedebian>I was trying to install the associated linux headers package but I'm being requested to insert the livecd... why?
22:25<pedebian>I mean, the install disk
22:26<mxktmdude>pedebian, is it listed in your /etc/apt/sources.list file as a place to grab install files?
22:26<pedebian>it's commented out
22:27<pedebian>but, why does it need the disk?
22:28<mxktmdude>seems strange when it should be able to get it from whatever repository you are setup to use :s
22:28<pedebian>mxktmdude: that's what I was thinking
22:28<pedebian>which locale is the package linux-headers in?//
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22:35<pedebian>Media change: please insert the disc labeled
22:35<pedebian> 'Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 kde-CD Binary-1 20120730-04:57'
22:35<pedebian>in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter
22:36<pedebian>what is this?!?
22:36<pedebian>I used a usb stick anyway... this is terrible programming
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22:44<se7en>how do I mount a samba share on sid. i get unknown filesystem type 'smbfs'
22:45<dragondon_>why is it that no matter what method I use to create a root partition, it always gets filled up. Wht the heck is going into a 5.2GB root partition? ugh.
22:47<se7en>forget it cifs works
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22:52<dragondon_>what do people here generally use for a /root partition size?
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22:56<pedebian>I was sure I commented out the cd/disk... :-(
22:56<pedebian>is nano good to use for editing sources list? :-/
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23:01<dragondon_>pedebian, I actually like using nano for just that :)
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23:04<blast007>pedebian: after you comment it out and save the file, make sure to run 'apt-get update'
23:05<dragondon_>pedebian, always also make sure to make a backup of the file, easy to fix if something goes wrong (for any config file really)
23:07<dragondon_>I have created a new volume to add to my VM, just curious how to best format it. There are 4 schemes to choose from.
23:07<dragondon_>MBR, GUID, Don't partition and Apple. Obviously not Apple.
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23:19<pedebian>trying to install my video driver... I ran glxinfo command to test acceleration... it output 'yes' so does that mean the driver install succeeded?
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23:20<miroslav>he can you me help?
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23:22<miroslav>i have a problem with gnome shell on ubuntu 12.04, after suspend (laptop) then i have display problem
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23:23<miroslav>and colors are displayed incorrectly
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23:26<pedebian>this channel is not for ubuntu support, though... I doubt anyone will reply ... they are running debian
23:27<miroslav>ok thank
23:27<miroslav>and sory
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23:28<chealer>pedebian: if it says direct rendering: Yes, it may, but it depends on the driver
23:31<pedebian>$ glxinfo | grep rendering
23:31<pedebian>direct rendering: Yes
23:31<pedebian>but, there's nothing indicating the driver is installed... it's nvidia and I installed the binary 3d so I don't know how much support I'd get here? :-/
23:32<pedebian>I'm used to a 'nvidia' splash screen when i boot up and nvidia settings so I'm a bit confused
23:32<pedebian>I don't have that since I installed it the 'debian' way or something? I created an xorg.conf file but there's not much there... maybe that is part of the reason?
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23:34<chealer>pedebian: it's normal that you don't get that. if direct rendering previously said no and now says yes, that means the installation worked.
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23:35<pedebian>I didn't test direct rendering beforehand so I don't know if it's a real change or not :-/
23:35<pedebian>any other tests i can do?
23:41<chealer>pedebian: I suppose trying nvidia-settings. (alternatively, you could check your X log)
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