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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-08-10

---Logopened Fri Aug 10 00:00:14 2012
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00:54<dragondon_>perhaps some light can shed on this here: , I have shutdown VBox and yet when I look at Firestrter, unet te network section there is a 'vboxne" that is showing nearly 70KB/s of network use.
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00:56<pparadis>dragondon_: what is your native language?
00:56<dragondon_>pparadis, english, why?
00:56<pparadis>no, it's not.
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00:57<dragondon_>pparadis, huh? I don't take too keenly to being called a liar dude.
00:57<fix>rumor is of php oday vuln floating around
00:57<fix>anyone hear anything?
00:57<fix>I heard servers are gettin rooted wit it
00:58<pparadis>dragondon_: if english is your native language, you're suffering from a terrible case of grammatical deficiency. the point of the question was to guide you to a native language channel where you could be better served.
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00:59<fix>sound like a bunch of chickenheads arguing over nothing, is this what it comes too when the food stamps can no longer purchase youz guys cigarattes, u running out early this month?
00:59<pparadis>dragondon_: in other words, if english is indeed your native language, accept the fact that we get an awful lot of questions from people for whom it isn't (yet frequently enough claim it is), who need to be gently guided elsewhere. as we're all volunteers, attitude isn't appreciated either.
01:00<dragondon_>pparadis, first, may I suggest that you don't call people liars, second, the description is direct and to the point, perhaps some typos(unette -> under) but that is all.
01:00<bones_was_here>fix: better not run php as root then ;)
01:00<pparadis>dragondon_: night night, hope somebody else can help.
01:01<dragondon_>pparadis, what was that about attitudes? wow.
01:01<pparadis>dragondon_: have a nice day.
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01:02<pparadis>oh well.
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01:03<pparadis>btw, dragondon_ indeed == KORNET-KR (Korea Telecom)
01:03<pparadis>so yeah, whatever.
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01:06<bones_was_here>yeah i don't think "perhaps some light can shed on this here" counts as english :p
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01:08<fix>So what if hes Korean and has less than perfect engrish
01:08<fix>why hate when love is in the air?
01:09<bones_was_here>trying to provide tech support via google translate is an exercise in frustration
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01:12<bones_was_here>even apart from the grammar, his question doesn't make sense
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01:12<bones_was_here>not on a debian box anyway
01:13<Saud>how can i delete a mail on ssh login
01:14<bones_was_here>a single email? a program like mutt would be easiest
01:15<Saud>no, whenever I login into my putty I get you have mail
01:15<Saud>when I type mail
01:16<Saud>I get Mail version 8.1.2 .... type ? for help
01:16<Saud>"/var/mail/root"; 4 messages 4 new
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01:18<fix>rm -rf /var/mail/someuser
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01:19<fix>or cd /var/mail/someuser/
01:19<fix>or rm /var/mail/someuser/*
01:20<Saud>thanks mail removed
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01:21<bones_was_here>it'll be back, every time a message is received for some reason ;)
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01:23<bones_was_here>to disable the 'you have new mail' message, unset $MAIL in ~/.profile or (system wide) /etc/profile
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02:31<KerrMD>Howdy all
02:32<KerrMD>How does one go about changing the default netmask which dhcpdiscover searches within at boot?
02:32<KerrMD>I cannot seem to find the answer through search
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02:39<gianni>hay alguien hay?
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03:57<nardev>is there any way to trace back history of certain package, for example lshw?
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04:39<vimes>I don't know nardev
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06:52<Rockdollar>is there a way to see what servers you're downloading from?
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06:53<Rockdollar>i'm downloading with synaptic I just want to see from where exactly
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06:54<Rockdollar>as in what country
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07:01<camilo_torres>Rockdollar: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
07:01<Rockdollar>thanks a lot
07:03<Rockdollar>how do you do a trace route with linux?
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07:04<gsb>Rockdollar: 'traceroute' itself
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07:05<Rockdollar>ah ok
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07:05<fix>open a terminal traceroute
07:06<fix>have you considered ?
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07:07<Apollo>fix: that's pretty insulting...
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07:07<Apollo>it's not even remotely funny
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07:07<Apollo>thank you themill
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07:09<Rockdollar>I have a hill with a mill on it
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07:13<FatLesbians>there is only one thing I like more than Lesbians, is NiggerLinux
07:13<FatLesbians>there is only one thing I like more than Lesbians, is NiggerLinux
07:14<FatLesbians>wut wut?
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08:24<Rockdollar>people, if the var partition is full can I resize it somehow?
08:25<gotmynick>is it over lvm ? or a direct partition on disk ?
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08:27<Rockdollar>I put all the games on the computer now it's oversized
08:27<gotmynick>can you boot the machine in single mode ?
08:27<Rockdollar>to be honest I don't know what you're talking about
08:28<gotmynick>you need that no programs write or read from /var
08:28<gotmynick>rsyslogd, etc use to do it
08:28<gotmynick>so the best is to boot adding init=/bin/bash to boot cmdline
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08:29<Rockdollar>yes I can do that
08:30<gotmynick>great, after that, you can use lvresize (to resize the lvm) and resize2fs
08:30<devil>i would first check what fills /var, specialy the logs
08:31<gotmynick>yea, and cached downloads, you can try "apt-get clean" first
08:31<devil>you can use ncdu for that
08:31<devil>apt-get install ncdu && ncdu /var
08:32<Rockdollar>apt fills var with 1.7gb
08:33<devil>Rockdollar: /var/cache/archives?
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08:33<devil> /var/cache/apt/archives, that is
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08:34<devil>like gotmynick said, apt-get clean will free that
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08:35<Rockdollar>that's cool now we got one other thing, wineprefix 99.2 % full
08:37<Rockdollar>okay I fixed that,
08:37<Rockdollar>what happens if trash is 100% full
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08:42<devil>Rockdollar: empty it
08:43<k42jc>what's this?
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08:43<devil>k42jc: a debian support chan
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08:45<k42jc>I mean what useful is it
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08:45<devil>this channel?
08:46<devil>it solves problems
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08:55<k42jc>oh thanks
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09:38<robin___>h are you guys
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09:39<robin___>do all prople here use hp phone?
09:40<grove>robin___: Why would you think that? This is a support channel for debian, people here probably uses all kinds of phones
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09:40<robin___>ah...cause I only find this software on webos
09:40<devil>and my uneducated guess is that among the 507 people here there is even some without a phone
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09:42<robin___>besides what is debian
09:42<grove>!tell robin___ about debian
09:43<robin___>you are nice grove
09:44<bluenemo>hi guys, i've got around 15-20 ruby on rails devels under my reign (i'm the admin :) and i'd like to switch to a giant server / cluster and thin clients as no matter how much we spend on hardware its always to slow and costs time. what i'd like to ask is has anyone around here administrated something like this for some time? what technologies do you prefer / any tips and so on. i'd like to get prep'd for the topic
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09:55<gotmynick>bluenemo, from my experience, SSD disks use to make miracles to performance
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09:58<bluenemo>gotmynick, yes, but its not enaugh. i thought about our ressource distribution in the office. when ppl execute there devel tools one single computer doesnt take it as fast. however, computers are only at max over short periouds of time when you consider the whole day. if you could combine all ressources into one cluster and use that to feed clients, most of the time each client could use the whole ressources of the cluster as mostly, not e
09:58<bluenemo>verybody at once uses the full ressources of his computer.
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10:03<gotmynick>maybe the devel tools should use something like gearman
10:03<gotmynick>then you turn all the current clients into a "cluster" more or less
10:04<gotmynick>there are gearman ruby bindings too
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10:07<gotmynick>bluenemo, I can't give you too much tips... I was administering lot of php developers, but they used to work on centralized servers, not in their desktops
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10:07<gotmynick>loot of hours tunning filesystem, database, etc... until SSD arrived
10:07<dynamikztatik>Wheezy was changed to use XFCE instead of GNOME by default ? ... Are you SERIOUS !?
10:07<gotmynick>dynamikztatik, why don't ?
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10:08<bluenemo>yeah xfce :DDDDD +1!! i love it :)
10:08<bluenemo>its light. light is always better >:)
10:08<bluenemo>if it were for me they were using xmonad :D
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10:09<dynamikztatik>no.. light is only better if there's a POINT
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10:09<bluenemo>well debian is not ubuntu ;)
10:09<gotmynick>to commit shows "one" point
10:09<dynamikztatik>with modern systems having abundant cheap resources, XFCE is unnecessary ...
10:09<heikkila>dynamikztatik, don't install it then
10:09<gotmynick>maybe in first world cities
10:09<dynamikztatik>debian is one of the oldest surviving linux distributions, and has close ties to GNU ... GNOME is an official GNU project ... XFCE is *not*
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10:10<gotmynick>in other places people die without food, so you have your cheap resources
10:10<gotmynick>the commit just talks about the CD1 limitations
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10:11<gotmynick>you can always select any desktop in tasksel
10:11<gotmynick>or none
10:11<babilen>dynamikztatik: You also don't have to cross-post
10:11<babilen>dynamikztatik: You are referring to;a=commit;h=2a962cc65cdba010177f27e8824ba10d9a799a08 and the tasksel version (3.13) has not yet been uploaded and therefore is not in wheezy yet. It looks as if Wheezy will install XFCE by default if a user installs the "Desktop" task during the installation though.
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10:13<babilen>One thing to keep in mind is that *all* desktop environments are first class on Debian and that none will be better integrated or so. The change merely influences new installs by people who don't select anything else explicitly. More advanced users can still easily install KDE, XFCE, LXDE or whatever window manager they want and are unlikely to install the Desktop task anyway.
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10:17<gotmynick> shows more users with xfce4 than with gnome-common :)
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10:19<dynamikztatik>and more than 2x, even ... >_>
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10:58<teb>So any advice on win 2k3 host for a robust free virtualization platform?
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10:59<teb>i'd like to migrate some services from this little box to a xeon but it's also an exchange server so.. no question on migrating the host os
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11:01<SynrG>teb: this is a debian question how?
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11:01<dynamikztatik>teb: ... virtualbox ?
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11:01<teb>well, the debian question comes after that about migrating some software that is already installed+configured in this box, to the debian vm that I wanna set up in that server
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11:02<SynrG>as for what runs best on w2k3, you had better ask ##windows @ freenode or so
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11:02<teb>I see
11:02<SynrG>we can help with any debian-specific issues, though
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11:03<SynrG>and yes, my totally uneducated guess would be virtualbox. but again, ##windows would be the place to discuss it vs. the alternatives
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11:03<SynrG>(i'm happy with virtualbox hosted on debian, in any case)
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11:04*Calinou uses virtualbox
11:04*dynamikztatik uses virtualbox
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11:05<teb>I've used virtualbox but i've also tested KVM with a bigass pc+debian+LVM and It was really usefull.. and virtualbox looks so like "virtual pc" .. not too much to play around with
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11:07<teb>Can I migrate thinks like PHP5+apache2+XDebug+Configurations to the vm box? I'd like to keep guest as similar to my box as possible without re-installing tons of stuff
11:08<SynrG>you mean migration from hosted on windows -> hosted on virtualized debian?
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11:08<muhamedaburaya>hi all i am new
11:08<muhamedaburaya>on ubuntu
11:08<teb>I mean this phisical debian box to virtual debian box
11:09<SynrG>it shouldn't matter. that would behave just like a migration between two physical debian boxes
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11:09<teb>SynrG, could you point me to some docs on the subject? I have no idea on how to
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11:10<SynrG>no. i mean in general, running software on physical vs. virtual system shouldn't matter.
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11:10<SynrG>i can't help you with these specific migrations
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11:10<gotmynick>it should be like restoring the last backup in case of disaster
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11:15<teb>Host is Pentium D w2k3, Should I use amd64 iso for install?
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11:29<heikkila>teb, is cpu and os 64-bit?
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11:31<teb>heikkila, actually, the guest is x86 os but CPU is x64-capable.. I should change that (DAMN PREVIUS TECHNICIAN)
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11:31<sney_>the pentum D is not a good 64-bit cpu, I'd just stick with their decision
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11:32<heikkila>teb, don't you mean the host?
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11:33<teb>heikkila, yes, sorry 'bout that it's the host
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11:37<teb>damnit I would love LVM over this thing
11:38<heikkila>teb, if the virtualization software supports 64bits guests on a 32bits host os amd64 could be used. Or you may want to try i386
11:38<teb>imma give x64 a try just because my phisical box uses x64 and I know i'll find an easy way to migrate pre-configured software (still don't know how)
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11:39<teb>Right now I'm reading on using Raw partitions on the W**fu*ck*ingcr*ap*dows from virtualbox, I just feel relieved it can be done!
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12:13<joseph-soares>Hi, I'd like to install libreoffice and remove openoffice. How can I do it?
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12:14<heikkila>joseph-soares, are you using Debian squeeze?
12:15<joseph-soares>heikkila, Yes
12:15<joseph-soares>heikkila, I've just installed it
12:15<retrospectacus>joseph-soares: simple answer, aptitude purge ; aptitude install libreoffice
12:15<retrospectacus>joseph-soares: but to get libreoffice you need to add the "backports" software source
12:15<teb>so what would be the process or at least the first steps to migrating stuff from my box to a vm same-distro(squeeze) box?
12:16<retrospectacus>teb: what stuff?
12:16<teb>thinks like apache2+php5+xdebug
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12:17<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, heikkila I saw that page but it didn't installed
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12:17<heikkila>joseph-soares, it seems to be correct
12:18<retrospectacus>joseph-soares: what kind of problem are you having with those directions?
12:18<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, heikkila I'll add again backport and see again
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12:19<ribe>my harddrive bit the bullet last nite, so I had to replace it and do a Debian Net install
12:20<retrospectacus>joseph-soares: no need to add it again, if it's there it's there.. did you update? run the -t squeeze-backports install command? errors? put on for us
12:20<retrospectacus>teb: well, /msg dpkg debian clone
12:20<retrospectacus>teb: and you can use rsync for configs, documents etc
12:21<ribe>I am using Stable on a 64 bit laptop with the Gnome desktop but now it will NOT shutdown, it only takes me back to the log-in screen so I can choose to shutdown?
12:21<teb>retrospectacus, thanks
12:21<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, heikkila :
12:21<ribe>Iḿ trying to figure out where I messed up?
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12:23<heikkila>ribe, have you changed power settings?
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12:24<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, is there other place to pastebin? I can't use
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12:24<retrospectacus>joseph-soares: ??
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12:25<ribe>heikkila, not that I know of??? I just did a fresh net install before I reloaded data from a USB external drive...
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12:26<ribe>heikkila, looking at power settings now
12:26<heikkila>ribe, how do you shut down? From the menu or with the laptop's power button?
12:26<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, paste websities is not working for me now
12:27<retrospectacus>how not?
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12:27<ribe>from the menu always
12:27<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, heikkila : that's the message it returns
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12:29<heikkila> works for me and I have disabled cookies and scripts, don't know what else could be a problem
12:29<heikkila>ribe, does a shutdown work properly from a terminal?
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12:30<retrospectacus>joseph-soares, try: sudo aptitude -t squeeze-backports install libreoffice - aptitude will try harder to find a solution
12:30<ribe>hieroph4nt, tryin it now just a sec
12:31<ribe>heikkila, trying it now
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12:32<ribe>heikkila, became root, entered shutdown now and it does the same thing
12:32<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, I just say yes for what aptitude want to do?
12:32<ribe>heikkila, takes me to the log-in-screen
12:33<pxlgirl>wow, haven't been here for like 2 years or so, and the # is full of new folks ;)
12:33<ribe>heikkila, is there a diff in a DVDV instal vs a Net install? as far as set-up is concerned?
12:33<retrospectacus>joseph-soares: well, not necessarily... if it looks good, yes, if not, no and it will suggest something else
12:33<pxlgirl>anyways, are there any gpg enthusiasts here?
12:33<heikkila>ribe, netinst makes sure the system is up to date right after installation, a dvd-install may install updates during installation but I'm not sure
12:34<heikkila>pxlgirl, proabably, but just ask if you have a specific question or problem
12:34<ribe>heikkila, thanks guy
12:35<retrospectacus>joseph-soares: probably you want a solution where it installs all the libreoffice things and removes some useless thing that was causing the problem with apt-get
12:35<retrospectacus>probably a java package
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12:37<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, it seems like will remove openoffice, install libreoffce and openoffice again.
12:37<pxlgirl>heikkila: I don't have a problem ;) I've made a visualized guide about it and would like to share if anyone interested
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12:38<retrospectacus>joseph-soares: it looks alright, it won't install Oo.o again
12:38<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, So, I will say yes
12:40<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, I thinkt it's downloading someting. Maybe will need about 1 hour
12:40<heikkila>pxlgirl, yeah, sure
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12:40<retrospectacus>joseph-soares: yeah the office suites are pretty big.. see in your paste Need to get 110 MB of archives
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12:41<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, Another time I just downloaded from libreoffice project website and installed
12:42<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, but I didn't uninstall Oo
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12:42<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, with this backport I think I'll get some updates if there is any
12:42<pxlgirl>heikkila: -> the actual guide is a pdf, link at the bottom of the article
12:43<retrospectacus>joseph-soares: you should always try to get software through apt-get/aptitude whenever possible
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12:45<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, yes. I updated iceweasel with apt-get already
12:45<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, 14.01 version
12:46<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, I tried to use debian wheezy, but has lots of problems yet. I couldnt use my wireless card
12:47<retrospectacus>IW 14 is not current in any repository
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12:48<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, I get from here
12:48<joseph-soares>I got from this backport
12:48<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, And it seems like work very well
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12:49<retrospectacus>ok :)
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13:01<pxlgirl>I'm planning to make another, more advanced guide covering things like sub-keys, detached sigs, etc...
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13:04<Thorgrin>guys, guick question: I have two tap interfaces, created bridge over them with brctl, but packets are not getting through. I can see them in RX on one interface, but not in TX on the other. Any ideas what might be wrong? I disabled iptables, arptables, rp_filter, and turned on ip_forwarding. Is there anything else to do?
13:05<mtns9999>hi, debian newbie here. Does anyone know a repo that has the latest git packaged for debian 6.0.5 amd64 ? I found one for ubuntu, but not sure if or how I should use it....
13:06<retrospectacus>Thorgrin: routing tables?
13:06<retrospectacus>,v git
13:06<judd>Package: git on i386 -- lenny: 4.9.4-1; lenny-backports: 1:; squeeze: 1:; squeeze-backports: 1:1.7.10-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1:; wheezy: 1:
13:06<retrospectacus>mtns9999: what version do you "need" and why?
13:06<Thorgrin>retrospectacus: no idea. the bridge interface has no ip address, so there is nothing to route
13:08<retrospectacus>well what's the destination address on the packets
13:08<Thorgrin>yeah, I just thought that bridge means bridge, like L2 bridge
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13:09<mtns9999>the latest debian git package is 1.7.2. the ruby version manager rvm requires 1.7.6. the latest stable git is 1.7.11
13:10<retrospectacus>mtns9999: well you can get 1.7.10 from backports ^
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13:10<retrospectacus>!tell mtns9999 about bpo
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13:11<retrospectacus>you got an irc message from the dpkg bot telling you about it
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13:12<hargut>Is there any successor to usplash/splashy which is still under active development?
13:12<icwiener_>Hi, I got a new laptop but under Debian the whole system freezes when there is some load (flash in webbrowser, copying files on/from a USB drive, stuff like that). Any idea where I could start looking for the cause?
13:13<retrospectacus>hargut: plymouth
13:13<hargut>Or what is nowadays the preferred method to realize a splash-screen (like in previous days the bootsplash).
13:13<mtns9999>somehow I hadn't found backports before. very nice! thanks!!!
13:14<retrospectacus>enjoy :)
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13:14<hargut>retrospectacus: looks nice. thanks! But hard to find when searching for splash/bootsplash...
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13:15<retrospectacus>you're welcome
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13:30<joseph-soares>retrospectacus, Thank you, Libreoffice was installed
13:31<retrospectacus>nice work :)
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14:03<pxlgirl>anyways, if you guys have any feedback or comments on the guide, go ahead
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14:09*pxlgirl is gonna count a few pxls, night!
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14:21<dairon>holA ESTAS ALLI
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14:27<ziggyzZz>hey anyone know how to make second video card work on debian squeeze
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14:27<ziggyzZz>i have ATI and nVidia installed.. LSPCI shows both... only ATI is working
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14:29<ziggyzZz>anyone know how to make second video card work on debian squeeze
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14:30<plaNT135>i need a pointer for a howto to watch olympics
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14:31<ziggyzZz>anyone know how to make second video card work on debian squeeze
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14:31<ziggyzZz>i have ATI and nVidia installed.. LSPCI shows both... only ATI is working
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14:32<alban>#gers nous voila !
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14:37<ziggyzZz>anyone know how to make second video card work on debian squeeze
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14:37<ziggyzZz>i have ATI and nVidia installed.. LSPCI shows both... only ATI is working
14:37<ziggyzZz>anyone know how to make second video card work on debian squeeze
14:37<ziggyzZz>i have ATI and nVidia installed.. LSPCI shows both... only ATI is working
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14:38<Calinou>how can you have TWO video cards in one computer? tell me your secret
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14:41<sney>!tell ziggyzZz about doesn't work
14:41<JennaThomas>I found that balsa email program is missing some icons. Am i missing a program that provides the icons for balsa?
14:42<sney>JennaThomas: probably one of the *-icon-theme packages
14:42<JennaThomas>i mean packages
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14:42<JennaThomas>i install all the gnome-icon-themes?
14:43<sney>I don't use balsa so I couldn't tell you for sure, but your icons are most likely in one of them
14:43<JennaThomas>its so weird. Does anyone here use balsa and could check if their icons are missing. I want to make sure before I make a bug report?
14:45<ziggyzZz>Calinou: are you seriously saying you have never installed two video cards in a pc?
14:46<sney>ziggyzZz: ignore Calinou's noise and see dpkg's factoid - provide more info
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14:48<gnugr>ziggyzZz:there is a way for nvidia optimus it might works for you too
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14:49<Brigo>vimes: no jugarás al assault cube, no?
14:49<sney>gnugr: uh, that has absolutely nothing to do with multiple video cards
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14:49<ziggyzZz>well lspci shows that the two cards have been detected.. xrandr --query only shows ATI's output.. i am thinking it may be that the drivers for nVidia are not loading
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14:49<sney>ziggyzZz: check Xorg.0.log
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14:57<ziggyzZz>sney: Xorg.0.log shows all three PCI video cards, the Intel's onboard, ATI and nVidia however it only shows RADEON drivers loaded and shows fallback on VESA
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14:58<ziggyzZz>sney: (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa
14:58<ziggyzZz>(WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev
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15:13<sney>ziggyzZz: you may need to generate an xorg.conf for your multi-card setup.
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15:21<ziggyzZz>ok i guessed that but last time i did that it screwed up my display and it wouldnt load the X.
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15:21<ziggyzZz>any tips?
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15:21<ziggyzZz>gdm3 stop, X --configure, gdm3 start ?
15:22<ziggyzZz>thats all i did last time.. oh and copied the xorg,conf to /etc/X11
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15:27<DebianLover>jelly-home: i'm using gnome shell. edit connection does not exist in network-manager
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15:29<DebianLover>i think i should see vpn connection in the window of network-manager
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15:30<DebianLover>i meant that the vpn option must be in network setting but i don't see the option
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15:31<DebianLover>you are right
15:31<DebianLover>i find it now
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15:37<rah>can anyone identify this image?
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15:38<rah>apparently it's shown (or used to be shown) by apache when installed on Debian
15:38<rah>I'd really like to find an SVG version
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15:40<lastwill>Hello rah. Why can't you ask the author of the PNG version to make a SVG version?
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15:43<rah>lastwill: I'm trying to find the author of the PNG version :-)
15:44<rah>lastwill: do you know who the author of the image is?
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15:44<lastwill>I have no idea. No metadata are included in the PNG version.
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15:45<rah>does anyway know who the author of the image is?
15:45<lastwill>You should ask to the webmaster.
15:46<lastwill>We should have rights from the author to issue the image by chance.
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15:47<CPU>i need a help
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15:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:48<CPU>how i remove everthing from my HDDs
15:48<CPU>and install debian
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15:49<heikkila>CPU, you can format all your connected drives from the Debian install program (be sure that you have backups of important data elsewhere)
15:49<CPU>from where
15:49<CPU>i start
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15:49<CPU>am now at partiostion disks
15:50<CPU>but before my system ubuntu make me lvm or i dont know...
15:50<CPU>i wanna clear everthing
15:50<CPU>and install the debian
15:50<CPU>i choose now a Manual in partition disk
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15:51<CPU>i have a 2 hdds
15:51<CPU>one 80 gb but i see only 41.1 gb
15:52<CPU>and other 250 gb
15:52<CPU>250 its OK
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15:52<CPU>i will mount this hdd
15:52<CPU>heikkila you are here?
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15:52<CPU>how to see this hdd 80 gb
15:53<CPU>and how to format it?
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15:54<heikkila>I am not sure how to remove lvm. Separate partitions can be removed by selecting it and choose the remove partition option
15:54<heikkila>in the installer
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15:57<CPU>i'm installing now
15:57<CPU>base system
15:57<CPU>on 40 gb
15:58<CPU>other 40 i cannot see it
15:58<CPU>this is my second installation
15:58<CPU>1st not loading debian
15:59<CPU>just freezed
15:59<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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16:00<CPU>!ask how to remove lvm
16:00<CPU>!ask how to remove lmv
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16:00<zero_> Xray
16:00<sney>CPU: please google things like that, they are not debian specific
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16:00<CPU>sney yes, but i install now a debian
16:01<CPU>and after that
16:01<CPU>i will see how to remove lvm
16:02<CPU>first time
16:02<CPU>not loaded
16:02<CPU>i install with the small package from internet
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16:02<sney>cpu if you need help with the installer please give us details on what you see. if not, you do not need to tell us everything that you are doing
16:03<CPU>i tell you
16:03<CPU>when the installation is finishing
16:03<CPU>not loading the grub or directly debian
16:03<CPU>only freeze!
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16:04<sney>freeze where, what is on the screen when it freezes
16:04<CPU>onli check dma pool
16:05<CPU>i install again now debian, i format the partiotion making the ext4
16:05<CPU>make on a bootable flag
16:05<CPU>now is install
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16:06<CPU>when i'm finish i tell you what happaning
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16:06<CPU>sney so, grub install or not?
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16:13<sney>CPU: the installer asks if you want to install grub to the system MBR, and if you select no, it asks what disk to install grub to
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16:13<sney>if the MBR does not work then try the root sector of one or all of your disks
16:14<sney>it will not affect the data on the disks
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16:15<zero_>identify zero trustno1
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16:16*sney passes zero_ a spare /
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16:21<CPU>anybody from bulgaria? :)
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16:21<CPU>sney thanks, we will see.. :)
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16:36<teb>is there iso for i686?
16:36<teb>can't find them
16:37<teb>there's no i686 folder
16:37<sney>the iso is referred to as i386 but it's the i686 release
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16:37<teb>ah ok
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16:44<ziggyzZz>coming back to the two video card issue, i just generated the xorg.conf file, do I need screens defined in there?
16:45<ziggyzZz>or will it just work with device sections
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17:04<ziggyzZz>ok i tried using just the device section and that did not work, i had to delete the xorg.conf to get the gnome loaded
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17:05<retrospectacus>put the xorg log on
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17:06<retrospectacus>the one from the failed attempt
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17:07<retrospectacus>I think it's called Xorg.0.log.old
17:07<retrospectacus>if you already started x again successfully
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17:09<ziggyzZz>i can paste the file that was generated by X -configure
17:10<ziggyzZz>ok just read your post... pasting .old verson as well
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17:11<retrospectacus>yeah that one looks fine
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17:12<ziggyzZz>ok .old has some errors in the end
17:13<ziggyzZz>i just posted it to the
17:13<@abrotman>it gives you a URL ..
17:13*abrotman looks at his hat ..
17:14-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
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17:15<ziggyzZz>the .old that has errors this was generated when i created the xorg.conf file using X -configure
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17:16<ziggyzZz>the current Xorg.0.log is at this link
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17:18<nicola>hi all
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17:19<retrospectacus>ziggyzZz: well it says modesetting is in use, I guess you should disable that
17:19<ziggyzZz>the is pasted at
17:19<dpkg>Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.
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17:20<ziggyzZz>ok let me try that now...
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17:20<ayaka>the less can't work well someting, bzip2 --help|less will show nothing
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17:22<retrospectacus>ayaka: bzip2 --help output is very short. why less?
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17:22<ayaka>retrospectacus, in tmux , it can't show all
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17:23<ayaka>all of the help I mean
17:23<Apollo>ayaka: tried with a space after --help?
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17:24<retrospectacus>looks like bzip2 --help outputs to stderr
17:24<Apollo>so bzip --help | less
17:24<ayaka>apiecux_, I don't know
17:24<ziggyzZz>the options radeon modeset=1 should be set to 0?
17:24<retrospectacus>ayaka: bzip2 --help 2>&1 |less
17:24<retrospectacus>yes ziggyzZz
17:24<ayaka>retrospectacus, thank you
17:25<ayaka>Apollo, thank you all the same
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17:38<toni2_>I would like to ask that: do you knwo if it' possibile in debian whh
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17:38<toni2_>do you know if it' possibile in debian wheezy downgrade xorg
17:38<toni2_>and install xorg of debian squeeze?
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17:38<moro>I am spain
17:39<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:39<dpkg>Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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17:41<toni2_>so you say it's not possibile ?
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17:42<moro>no ingles I am spain
17:43<abrotman>use the spanish channel
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17:43<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:43<abrotman>grove: it's the same IP
17:44<abrotman>dan__: "/join #debian-es"
17:44<ladoga>toni2_: everything is possible, but it's not supported
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17:44<grove>abrotman: Sorry, missed that
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17:46<ladoga>toni2_: with something with many dependencies like xorg it's not worth trying I'd say. better if you install squeeze if you really need it
17:47<toni2_>I have installed wheezy
17:47<toni2_>it works
17:47<toni2_>but I have problem with video card
17:47<toni2_>the cpu go at 100%
17:47<toni2_>when I use iceweasel
17:47<toni2_>or google-chrome
17:47<abrotman>toni2_: what is your video card? are you using adobe flash?
17:48<toni2_>for example If I goalso without flash
17:48<toni2_>I have serious problem to go to
17:48<ziggyzZz>ok guyz after setting the /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf settings =0 i got prompt on nVidia card but gdm3 refused to load, i have pasted the Xorg log file
17:48<toni2_>computer became very very very slow
17:48<toni2_>I have an old nvidia card
17:49<ziggyzZz>retrospectacus: after setting the /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf settings =0 i got prompt on nVidia card but gdm3 refused to load, i have pasted the Xorg log file
17:49<toni2_>mx440 which worked with original driver in squeeze
17:49<toni2_>no driver are for wheezy
17:49<abrotman>toni2_: which driver are you trying to use in wheezy?
17:49<toni2_>I also havein wheezy driver is nouveua
17:49<toni2_>is it possibile to use something else?
17:50<toni2_>how to switch from nouveau to vesa?
17:51<abrotman>toni2_: create an xorg.conf, specify your driver
17:51<toni2_>do I have to install some packages?
17:51<ladoga>also have you enabled hardware acceleration for firefox? i did that once and it was like you mention. unusably slow
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17:51<ladoga>though it should be off as default on linux
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17:52<toni2_>in firefox the check is on
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17:53<ladoga>what check?
17:53<toni2_>the checkbox of the hardware acceleration
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17:54<ladoga>i'm not aware of any checkbox for it. it's in about:config
17:54<ladoga>and it's very good idea NOT to have it enabled
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17:55<toni2_>wwhat I have to find in about:config ?
17:55<ladoga>toni2_: forget it. if you haven't changed it, it's all good
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17:56<toni2_>ah ok
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17:57*xfire78xx sera :)
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18:00<ladoga>toni2_: in about:config you can search "layers.acceleration" if you want to check it
18:01<toni2_>layer.acceleration.disable = false
18:02<toni2_>layers.acceleration.draw-fps false
18:02<toni2_>layer.acceleration.force-enabled = false
18:02<toni2_>is it right?
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18:02<abrotman>seems great!
18:03<ladoga>toni2_: you could try to change layer.acceleration.disable = false to true
18:03<ladoga>and see if it has any effect
18:03<ladoga>is graphics performance ok otherwise but slow only in firefox and chrome?
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18:05<toni2_>now I have tried to modify xorg.conf
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18:05<toni2_>I substiI changed from nouveau to vesa
18:05<toni2_>and I restarted xorg
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18:05<toni2_>it seems to be more rmore responsive
18:06<toni2_>what's the difference between nouveau and vesa?
18:06<toni2_>vesa looks like a bit ugly
18:06<abrotman>they're different drivers
18:06<abrotman>it is ugly .. but does it fix your problem ?
18:06<toni2_>when I see the wallpaper
18:06<toni2_>for example
18:06<ladoga>vesa is very slow for anything 3d
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18:07<ladoga>otherwise it's probably allright
18:08<toni2_>I don't know anything about 3d..
18:08<toni2_>where could I use it?
18:08<toni2_>I use only iceweasel, google chrome, libreoffice,
18:08<ladoga>games, opengl stuff
18:08<ladoga>then you dont need it:)
18:09<Black_Prince>vesa is even slow for anything 2D
18:10<toni2_>I'm on youtube
18:10<toni2_>and video are slow
18:10<ladoga>anyway you can try what i suggested with nouveau and if it doesn't help then switch back to vesa
18:12<ladoga>i think it's possible that for some reason iceweasel automatically selects hw acceleration for your driver even if it then doesn't work and makes rendering web pages slow
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18:13<ladoga>as "layers.acceleration.disable = false" allows automatic selection
18:15<Black_Prince>ziggyzZz: From your paste, your card is Radeon, not nVidia
18:15<sney>he has both
18:15<sney>the original question was how to use both of them at the same time (presumably driving different monitors)
18:15<Black_Prince>3 video cards
18:16<Black_Prince>is this some kind of Optimus/PowerXpress mix?
18:16<sney>3 is nothing but the multi-card setups I've seen are usually the same brand. but anyway xorg.conf should be able to do it, but the syntax is kind of obscure
18:16<ziggyzZz>i have two cards Radeon and nvidia
18:16<sney>hardly. it's 2 discrete pci express video cards plugged into a motherboard that has 2 pci express slots.
18:17<Black_Prince>I can use PowerXpress up to some point
18:17<Black_Prince>but only with fglrx
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18:17<Black_Prince>radeon didn't work
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18:18<sney>ok, but it's not some hacky laptop power saving mix, it's something this guy did on purpose
18:18<Black_Prince>but this is some weird setup I've never seen before
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18:18<Black_Prince>my card is PCI-X too
18:18<sney>no it isn't
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18:18<Black_Prince>but it is somehow wired to Intel one
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18:20<Black_Prince>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Seymour XT/PRO [Radeon HD 7400M Series]
18:20<rockon>i also have 2 cards intell and nvidia on a Dell laptop and my nvidia is only when needs to play 3D
18:20<Black_Prince>Yeah, that's Optimus
18:20<rockon>not Optimus
18:20<Black_Prince>I have same thing here
18:20<Black_Prince>Radeon is only enabled "on demand"
18:21<Black_Prince>for Direct3D stuff!
18:21<rockon>radeon yes
18:21<rockon>i also want to know how to switch my cards
18:22<Black_Prince>I doubt you can do that unless you have bios switch
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18:23<sney>there is not very good linux support for gpu switching from any manufacturer
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18:23<Black_Prince>well, Fglrx claims that it's using discrete card here
18:23<rockon>disabling KMS? is this a way?
18:23<Black_Prince>but even glxgears suck ...
18:24<Black_Prince>1600FPS with such setup ... I had 700FPS with nouveau and GeForce2
18:24<rockon>nouveau is blacklisted
18:24<Black_Prince>So, as sney said, there is no very good linux support for gpu switching
18:25<Rockdollar>If I put more than one distro on a disk, can I choose which one to boot?
18:25<Black_Prince>Rockdollar: yeah.
18:26<Black_Prince>anyways, sney - it's PCIE, not PCI-X
18:26<Black_Prince>[ 30.036] (--) fglrx(0): Video RAM: 1048576 kByte, Type: DDR3
18:26<Black_Prince>[ 30.036] (II) fglrx(0): PCIE card detected
18:27<Black_Prince>Rockdollar: I guess you might want to choose distro which will contain default boot loader
18:27<Black_Prince>but this still bugs me ... I am unsure why I get this with fglrx module
18:27<Black_Prince>[ 31.234] (II) fglrx(0): [DRI2] Setup complete
18:28<Black_Prince>[ 31.234] (II) fglrx(0): [DRI2] DRI driver: i965
18:28<Black_Prince>can anyone help me to understand this?
18:28<Black_Prince>no wonder I get poor OpenGL with some apps
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18:29<rockon>for ATI and nvidia there is a tool called envyng for switching
18:29<Black_Prince>It won't work because kernel driver doesn't support it
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18:30<Black_Prince>AMD recently published some ACPI stuff in the Linux source and someone said that might help gpu switching developers
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18:32<Black_Prince>and now reading, Mesa will be bumped to 9.0 instead of 8.1 probably bringing opengl 3.1 support
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18:36<rockon>Black_Prince:are you sure that intell and nvidia will work with bumblebee?
18:37<Black_Prince>I don't know
18:37<sney>that's what bumblebee is for. intel+nvidia switching.
18:37<sney>it will depend on your individual hardware
18:37<Black_Prince>Vgaswitcheroo doesn't work for me, which is Radeon's "bumblebee"
18:37<rockon>any nvidia? even is not Optimus?
18:37<Black_Prince>and that's just because kernel doesn't support it ... everything hangs when I initiate the switch
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18:39<rockon>ok will do that
18:39<rockon>tnx both
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18:42<Black_Prince>strange thing is
18:42<Black_Prince>google doesn't help me really much when I search for dual gpu's
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18:42<Black_Prince>like in ziggyzZz's case ...
18:42<qmr>Anyone know of any apps to highlight an idle mouse pointer or highlight mouse pointer on keyboard press?
18:42<Black_Prince>I just get results either for laptop hybrid graphics or dual-head graphics cards
18:43<abrotman>qmr: sounds like an accessibility thing .. what's your WM/DE ?
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18:43<qmr>abrotman: gnome. I see a setting for showing it when pressing ctrl, but nothing for showing it when idle
18:44<abrotman>gnome2? gnome3 ?
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18:44<abrotman>i have gnome3 here, it works
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18:44<abrotman>did you logout/login after changing it? it may require that (though that'd be silly)
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18:45<qmr>it works, but I want it to happen automatically if the mouse is idle for n seconds
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18:45<abrotman>ah! i think that's different, i'm not aware of anytihng that does that (on any OS)
18:45<qmr>hmm, it would be cool if this used L/R sound channels as well to tell you where it is
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18:45<qmr>there's an app for mac that does, I'm not finding anything for linux though :(
18:45<abrotman>qmr: wishlist bug!
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18:46<retrospectacus>compiz fusion has a plugin that makes coloured stars fly around the mouse constantly
18:46<retrospectacus>annoying as hell :P
18:47<abrotman>like the old javascript mouse trailers?
18:48<retrospectacus>or, I just remembered, the googly-eyes applet, it'll at least tell you in what direction the mouse is
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18:49<gotmynick>I use the opposite (XTerm.pointerMode: 2) so it hides when I'm typing
18:49<abrotman>who uses a mouse ...
18:49<ompaul>people waiting on terminals
18:50<qmr>retrospectacus: yes, but you'd need at least 2 to triangulate. yea I'm installing compiz prefs thing now to see if it has anything
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18:50<qmr>60-80% of my work day is in a webapp, so yes, mouse :P
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18:53<qmr>Is there a channel for compiz support?
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18:54<retrospectacus>#compiz on freenode I think
18:54<qmr>>_< thought I was on freenode, heh.
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18:56<retrospectacus>next door <--
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19:00<qmr>got it figured out. compiz is pretty sweet when it's not breaking everything.
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19:02<retrospectacus>I like it. Many don't
19:03<qmr>Last time I used it I ended up turning it off because I got tired of toggling it for games
19:03<retrospectacus>just gotta configure it to behave how you want. A lot of the plugins do crazy things
19:03<Black_Prince>can I use compiz with KDE without screwing everything up?
19:03<retrospectacus>ah yeh... I just run games in a new VT :)
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19:06<retrospectacus>Black_Prince: probably
19:06<qmr>retrospectacus: that prevents flickering and artifacts and the like?
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19:06<qmr>retrospectacus: I think expo plugin is sad because my monitors don't match up .. hm
19:07<retrospectacus>qmr: well I just start a new X connection for the game and switch between them with Ctrl-Alt-F7 and F8
19:07<qmr>retrospectacus: what gfx card?
19:07<retrospectacus>hmm nvidia GTS8800
19:08<qmr>my laptop is intel :/
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19:58<CPU>somebody help me about this
19:58<CPU>E: Unable to locate package webmin
19:58<CPU>giltoon hello
19:58<CPU>can u help me
19:59<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see . The Debian package from is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives.
19:59<giltoon>hi CPU
20:00<CPU>retrospectacus yes, but why not installing da package automatic
20:00<CPU>and what is this E: ? :)
20:00<retrospectacus>e is for error
20:00<retrospectacus>webmin is not in debian.
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20:02<CPU>i understant
20:02<CPU> ;)
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20:02<CPU>so, what program is good for debian?
20:03<retrospectacus>webmin is bad for everything
20:03<nevyn>!free whcp
20:03<dpkg>FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>.
20:03<retrospectacus>I'm off. Have a good weekend everyone!
20:04<CPU>what program is good for debian?
20:04<CPU>i'm love in debian!
20:04<nevyn>what do you want to do.
20:04<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
20:05<qmr>heh, nice quote re webmin
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20:05<CPU><DTC> or gnupanel?
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20:14<giltoon>is anyone available for help?
20:15<abrotman>lots of people
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20:17<giltoon>I'd like to automate tasks (installations of several programs, including Gnome) with a bash script - must bypass user input prompts during these long installations.
20:18<giltoon>I usually use this syntax --- echo "Y" | apt-get install xyz ---- to bypass y/n prompts.
20:18<giltoon>Would like to know how to do this for other prompts. for example how to send the 'enter' key, to automatically chose the first/default option in a prompt screen.
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20:18<giltoon>BTW is there a way to globally command the script to chose 'Y' in a y/n prompts and chose 'enter' for other prompts??
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20:19<r00t>I installed debian about 4 days ago, it's been okay. The OS is pretty laggy, when I move around windows etc. its choppy. My computer gets very hot and the fans start working really hard (barely happened on Windows 7), I recently started up smplayer and everything freezed, I couldn't do anything. I have a dell latitude e6220 (i3 processor w/ 4GB ram, intel hd 2000 integrated GPU), why is this? My linux version: Linux darwin 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd6
20:19<r00t>4 #1 SMP Fri Jun 29 20:42:29 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux
20:19<r00t> - Is this fixable or should I switch to another distro?
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20:21<abrotman>which vi .. nevermind
20:21<ing>giltoon: man 1 yes
20:21<ing>giltoon: btw, apt-get takes a -y switch
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20:22<r00t>ugh it just happened again
20:22<giltoon>thanks ing
20:22<abrotman>r00t: did you also isntall the updated video driver from ?
20:22<giltoon>what's the -y switch?
20:22<abrotman>judd: kernels
20:22<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.5-trunk-686-pae (3.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.21-3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.20-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
20:22<abrotman>giltoon: man apt-get
20:22<r00t>abrotman: i haven't downloaded any drivers, how do?
20:23<r00t>(im a newbie)
20:23<giltoon>ok thanks then. will search
20:23<abrotman>r00t: how did you get the backports kernel ?
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20:24<r00t>some guy in here helped me, I updated my kernal
20:24<abrotman>okay .. so there's also a newer video drver in there also
20:24<abrotman>actually, i think a whole new xorg
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20:24<r00t>i updated the kernel a few days ago
20:24<r00t>(and i think it was still like this iirc)
20:25<abrotman>did you have the problem before that?
20:25<CPU>make[1]: *** [] Error 127
20:25<abrotman>make up you rmind
20:25<CPU>how to fix this
20:25<abrotman>CPU: what are you compiling?
20:26<CPU>ircd now
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20:26<abrotman>there are a couple in Debian already
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20:26<CPU>how to update libs
20:27<CPU>apt-get install gcc ?
20:27<CPU>yacc ?
20:27<abrotman>r00t: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install xorg .. then reboot, see if it makes a difference
20:27<abrotman>!b-e CPU
20:27<dpkg>CPU: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
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20:28<r00t>its giving me a option to remove two dependencies
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20:28<r00t>xserver-xorg-video-nv and -all
20:28<CPU>abrotman apt-get install build-essential
20:28<abrotman>what di the bot say?
20:28<abrotman>did he say apt-get?
20:28<abrotman>if you're not going to read, please don't waste my time
20:29<CPU>ok ,sorry
20:30<CPU>abrotman thanks
20:30<CPU>!apache2 virtual hosts
20:31<CPU>this bot not like me ;)
20:31<abrotman>CPU: please msg the bot
20:31<abrotman>and it doesn't know about that .. use google
20:31<CPU>ok ;)
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20:34<CPU>abrotman make[1]: *** [] Error 127
20:35<r00t>it worked! thanks
20:35<r00t>was it the kernel I updated?
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20:35<sney>CPU: please paste the command you ran and the whole output to and link it here
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20:38<CPU>i will try with google ;)
20:39<abrotman>r00t: you updated your Xorg
20:39<abrotman>r00t: the part responsible for your GUI
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20:41<giltoon|2>so how the 'apt-get' respond to the -y switch, when the prompt is other than y/n?? (like if the prompt is a list of options to chose from..)
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20:42<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
20:43<CPU>I'm ready! ;)
20:43<CPU>with libs ;)
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20:44<giltoon|2>any idea?
20:44-!-giltoon [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:44<abrotman>try it and see
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20:46<giltoon|2>I just want my installations finished when I wake up in the morning, can't risk it
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20:46<abrotman>every day?
20:46<giltoon|2>how can I try it on the spot
20:47<CPU>abrotman i install everthing build essential, lex, flex, bison, yacc
20:47<CPU>make[1]: *** [] Error 127
20:47<abrotman>CPU: you were asked a qudstion, you ignored it
20:48<CPU>i asked the bot but he dont know
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20:49<giltoon|2>just need to know if the -y switch automates inputs other than y/n. 'man apt-get' only refers to y/n prompts with this switch.
20:50<abrotman>which other prompts?
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20:50<giltoon|2>prompts to chose an option from a list , for example
20:51<abrotman>that's using debconf, nothign to do with apt-get
20:52<giltoon|2>II need to hyave the first option chosen automatically while installing many packages with 'apt-get install'
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22:05<joseph-soares>I have a problem. On Debian I can't watch video when I am logged on youtube. But if I am logged out, I can watch
22:07<pparadis>joseph-soares: what version of debian, what browser, what plugins are installed, etc?
22:08<joseph-soares>pparadis, Squeeze, Iceweasel, opera - both have the same behavior - Plugin: flashplugin-nonfree
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22:11<nevyn>joseph-soares: are you in the html5 trial when logged in or not
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22:13<joseph-soares>nevyn, how come?
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22:15<joseph-soares>nevyn, how can I know?
22:18<joseph-soares>pparadis, nevyn : see, other thing: I have a dlink router. If I put Internet cable direct to the note, it works normal
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22:22<frodo>hello all
22:22<pedebian>no one is helping here
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22:23<frodo>I am encountering issues and am in need of assistance, if anyone is whiling to assist. I cannot seem to get my wireless card to install in Debian 6.0.5...
22:23<abrotman>which wifi card?
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22:24<frodo>That is an excellent question. I literally just got home from work and did not check to see what it is. But when i was researching the issue it seemed like i just needed to install a large generic driver package.
22:25<pparadis>pedebian: that's not true.
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22:25<abrotman>frodo: lspci -nn
22:25<pedebian>can anyone help me with networking, nfs and fstab?
22:25<pedebian>frodo: maybe you have to install the firmware? if it's not integrated in the kernel, you have to manually install it........right????
22:25<pparadis> <-- frodo
22:26<abrotman>pedebian: you need to ask a more specific question
22:27<pedebian>how is it not true?
22:27<abrotman>pedebian: do you need help or not?
22:27<pedebian>abrotman: I just want to connect two computers via network using nfs and access a directory of the other computer
22:28<abrotman>pedebian: is this a repeat thing, or just a one time deal ?
22:28<pedebian>comp1 and comp2
22:28<pedebian>repeat? yeah
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22:28<pedebian>so that the directory is mounted each time
22:28<frodo>pparadis, Looks like Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000
22:29<abrotman>frodo: have you install the firmware for the iwlagn ?
22:29<pedebian>I don't know the hostname or domain so I am using the ip address
22:29<abrotman>that's fine
22:29<frodo>I don't think so.
22:29<abrotman>frodo: aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi
22:30<nevyn>needs non-free ^^
22:30<abrotman>i knmow that!
22:30<nevyn>I know you know ;)
22:30<pedebian>that's what I said, non-free firmware
22:31<abrotman>pedebian: did you fix your problem yet?
22:31<frodo>abrotman, No candidate version found for firmware-iwlwifi
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22:31<abrotman>!tell frodo about non-free
22:31*nevyn sits in the corner and huffs
22:31<frodo>Am i replying correctly?
22:31<pedebian>abrotman: of course, I'm still sitting here
22:31<frodo>I tried to install non-free.
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22:31<nevyn>frodo: s'ok go read what dpkg just told you
22:31<abrotman>frodo: see wha tthe bot told you
22:31<abrotman>pedebian: oh, so you solved it ?
22:31<pedebian>his sources list probably isn't set right
22:32<pedebian>abrotman: no
22:32<abrotman>pedebian: we'll worry about him ...
22:32<abrotman>pedebian: so what about your setup doesn't work ?
22:32<pedebian>I'd thought I'd help sicne no one helps me :)
22:32<abrotman>i asked you questions .. you don't answer
22:32<abrotman>you just keep trying to interject elsewhere
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22:32<abrotman>you haven't even told us what doesn't work about your NFS mount
22:32<pedebian>abrotman: I said there's a fstab set up but even though the directory was created, there's nothing there
22:33<abrotman>you need an error ...
22:33<frodo>I also can't seem to get my sound working either.
22:33<nevyn>pedebian: did you configure a export on the "nfs server"
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22:33<abrotman>frodo: we'll worry about that next .. let's get the wifi going first
22:33<nevyn>pedebian: did you configure fstab on the "nfs client"
22:34<nevyn>pedebian: did you mount the filesystem
22:34<pedebian>for e.g. 192.168.1.xx:/home/files /files nfs auto etc. etc. etc.
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22:34<pedebian>but when I go to the OTHER computer computer #2, and look at the /files directory, it's blank
22:34<nevyn>please don't anonymise it makes it impossible to support
22:34<nevyn>invent ip's if you like
22:35<abrotman>did he really .xx a private IP ?
22:35<abrotman>frodo: did you find what the bot told you?
22:35<nevyn>but if your server is 192.168.1.xx and your client is 192.168.1.xx it makes our life hard.
22:35<frodo>abrotman, I am still reading that link
22:35<abrotman>frodo: you really odn't have to .. but okay
22:35<pedebian>of course, they're different ips :-(
22:36<pedebian>I'm just saying, I think I did it right but I don't know what's wrong or missing
22:36<abrotman>pedebian: put your fstab and your exports file in a pastebin
22:36<pedebian>the one computer, the host, the directory is mounted but the 2nd computer cannot access it
22:36<pedebian>it's not my computers :-(
22:37<abrotman>so what?
22:37<nevyn>pedebian: did you run mount on the client?
22:37<pedebian>there isn't an exports file
22:37<nevyn>that's going to be problems
22:37<pedebian>is there? I didn't notice one
22:37<frodo>abrotman, Sorry i am super new to linux
22:37<abrotman>it doesn't work ?
22:37<abrotman>frodo: it's okay
22:37<pedebian>I tried to mount the client
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22:37<pedebian>mount -a?
22:38<nevyn>pedebian: nfs in a sentance.. nfs servers export some subset of their filestructure
22:38<pedebian>I'm new to nfs
22:38<nevyn>controled via /etc/exports
22:38<nevyn>and the command exportfs
22:38<nevyn>clients then mount the exported filesystem as server:/path on a local mountpoint
22:39<nevyn>the server needs to be running and configured for this to work.
22:39<pedebian>does anyone have a good 'how-to' for a simple two computer setup using nfs and then setting up fstab? :-{
22:39<abrotman>yeah, every site on the internet
22:39<abrotman>did you try google ?
22:39<nevyn>pedebian: umm there's a linux nfs howto on tld I'd think
22:39<pedebian>client just has to access from the host
22:39<pedebian>I already googled ...none are any good
22:39<abrotman>why is that ?
22:40<abrotman>what's wrong with all ofthe HOWTOs you read ?
22:40<frodo>abrotman, So i need to check the "Non-DFSG-compatible Software (non-free)?
22:40<abrotman>check? sure!
22:40<pedebian>wth is this?
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22:40<pedebian>I don't want to read 1000 pages of a book. :-/
22:40<frodo>abrotman, It wont let me.
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22:41<abrotman>frodo: do yo uknow how to use vi ?
22:41<nevyn>pedebian: ch3 and ch4 should be enough
22:42<frodo>abrotman, Probably not. :(
22:42<frodo>abrotman, What do you mean vi?
22:42<abrotman>frodo: let's try with nano ...
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22:42<abrotman>frodo: become root, via su or sudo
22:42<pedebian>frodo: you could try nano... it's pretty easy
22:43<pedebian>if I can do it, you can :)
22:43<abrotman>frodo: when you're done with that .. let me know
22:43<pedebian>they want me to read expert pages for setting up a simple configuration of two computers :-(
22:43<abrotman>pedebian: if it's so easy, why aren't you done yet?
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22:44<pedebian>abrotman: I'm talking about setting up his wireless
22:44<abrotman>you sohuld concentrate on your problem
22:44<nevyn>pedebian: do you have access to the server at all?
22:44<pedebian>nevyn: not right now
22:44<abrotman>why not?
22:45<frodo>abrotman, I'm sorry, but what do i do in there?
22:45<abrotman>frodo: nano /etc/apt/sources.list
22:45<pedebian>it's not my computers... I'm just trying to help... I wanted to learn but it's more complicated than I thought
22:46<abrotman>frodo: somewhere, you should see something that looks like "deb squeeze main" .. correct?
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22:47<nevyn>pedebian: so asuming the server is configured then the client side is put stuff in fstab make sure portmap is running and run mount -a
22:47<abrotman>frodo: i'm looking
22:47<abrotman>frodo: oh, you should have it available .. do an 'aptitude update'
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22:48<abrotman>frodo: then, aptitude install firmware-iwlwifif
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22:48<abrotman>frodo: then, aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi
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22:48<frodo>abrotman, I am running those now...
22:49<abrotman>frodo: let's see how it goes
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22:50*abrotman looks
22:50<abrotman>frodo: okay, so you'd reboot the box .. and see if the wifi is there
22:51<abrotman>you'll still have to configure it
22:51<frodo>abrotman, Thank you SO much for the assistance! **fingers crossed**
22:52<abrotman>hopefully we don't have to do the dance :)
22:53<pedebian>nevyn: still here?
22:53<pedebian>how do I make sure portmap is running
22:53<nevyn>service portmap status or /etc/init.d/portmap status
22:54<pedebian>I'd like to explain it better... it was set up and working before by someone else... that person is gone... so I looked at the fstab file on both computers and couldn't see anything wrong but the directory on computer 2 (client?) is not accessible
22:54<pedebian>does that make sense?
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22:54<frodo>abrotman, Schweet! I didn't even reboot yet and it's working! You are the best! I have worked on this for a couple hours already.
22:55<abrotman>frodo: do you know how to make it connect to your AP ?
22:55<nevyn>pedebian: did you run mount -a yet?
22:56<nevyn>on the client
22:56<frodo>Yes, i am actually quite good with computers (I am a Tier 2.5-ish technician). I am just new to Linux.
22:56<frodo>abrotman, It actually connected right away.
22:56<pedebian>Intel is usually pretty good for wifi drivers even though it's not open source wifi drivers (firmware)
22:57<pedebian>nevyn: I did earlier tonight
22:57<abrotman>frodo: ah okay
22:57<pedebian>nevyn: I'm just trying to understand what should be done next
22:57<pedebian>what to troubleshoot and do
22:57<nevyn>pedebian: if it used to work. check portmap. check that mount-all ran.
22:58<ladoga>frodo: you'd be wrong to think it helps much, new stuff will take time to learn
22:58<pedebian>I was going to have a setup on *my* two computers but my laptop is defective so I guess I'm aborting that experiment :-(
22:58<frodo>abrotman, When it comes to Linux i feel super lost. But i have only been playing with it for about a week. I tried Mint, but was told Debian is better. Mint installed everything. It's a good thing i am encountering issues, because that is the best way to learn.
22:58<abrotman>frodo: Debian requires more of a personal touch
22:58<ladoga>frodo: something that takes hours now you'll do in few seconds later on
22:58<sney_>frodo: you might appreciate
22:58<pedebian>nevyn: yeah, 'used to work' means once :) seriously, I am not sure when it last worked but it's not working for a while now...
22:59<frodo>sney, Bookmarked. Thank you.
22:59<ladoga>frodo: simply because with experience you know what to do
22:59<pedebian>I thought it was a mounting problem but I am not familiar with the portmapping
22:59<pparadis>sney_: hah, i caught myself before hitting enter with that link ;)
22:59<sney_>pparadis: boom, too slow
22:59<nevyn>pedebian: do you have access to the client right now?
22:59<frodo>ladoga, Oh i know. Me switching to Debian
23:00<pedebian>nevyn: not right now.. probably tomorrow
23:00<pparadis>sney_: in my defense, i am presently on a half-working 3g connection because this hotel wifi is crap :)
23:00<abrotman>wtf, you don't have access to the server or client ?
23:00<frodo>ladoga, ... on my notebook is actually preparation for when i receive my raspberry pi.
23:00<pedebian>I worked on it tonight and was completely lost
23:00<nevyn>pedebian: without you in front of the box the best option is to read ch3 and ch4 of the HOWTO I suggested
23:00<pedebian>abrotman: no, the computers are not at my house
23:00<nevyn>it'll cover the componetns involved in NFS
23:01<ladoga>frodo: you too? :) nice. I just got raspi few weeks ago
23:01<abrotman>pedebian: so how were you going to answer any questions?
23:01<pedebian>nevyn: I can try :-/
23:01*nevyn works on computers that are not where he is often
23:01<pedebian>abrotman: maybe some by memory? I looked at some of the settings
23:01<sney_>frodo: apparently, both the 'raspbian' custom distro and the debian image provided by have a lot of issues, so that'll contribute to your learning experience too
23:01<frodo>ladoga, Lucky! I have been waiting, for what seems like, forever!
23:02<frodo>sney, I was considering setting up a raspbmc
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23:02<pedebian>I thought maybe could explain what is happening and the steps
23:02<nevyn>I have to really think to know if it's nearish (10's of kms) or farish (100's of kms) away
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23:02<nevyn>or other side of the worldish where my vps is.
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23:03<frodo>abrotman, Do you feel like tackling another issue?
23:04<sney_>frodo: just ask the channel in general, there are a lot more knowledgeable people here than just abrotman
23:04<frodo>My next issue is that i do not have any sound. Anyone feel like assisting a newbie out with sound?
23:05<sney_>install alsa-utils, run alsamixer, check for MM at the bottom of the levels
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23:05<Rockdollar>for some reason I can't burn any disks using Brasero or k3b, any ideas?
23:05<dynamikztatik>What are the 'not+gnu-kfreebsd' and 'not+kfreebsd-gnu' virtual packages for?
23:05<dynamikztatik>Also, this seems odd.. But, can anyone explain/rationalize the difference, at the bottom, between the listed sponsor ( after "This service is sponsored by " ) at and ... ?
23:06<frodo>sney, I think i already installed the alsa-utils... Is there a way to confirm?
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23:08<sney_>frodo: try running alsamixer. if it's there, the package is installed. also, 'apt-cache policy packagename' will give you that information about any package (plus version)
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23:09<frodo>sney, It's there
23:09<ladoga>and dpkg -l lists installed packages. you can filter the output with grep
23:09<ladoga>f.e: dpkg -l | grep alsa
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23:10<sney_>frodo: so proceed to the next part of what I told you
23:10<frodo>sney, If i choose F6 to select my sound card i have 3 choices. 1. Default 2.HDA Intel 3. enter device name...
23:11<frodo>sney, Which package do i want to find out about?
23:11<frodo>sney, alsamixer?
23:12<ladoga>frodo: just run alsamixer and check that none of channels is muted
23:12<frodo>There are 2 muted at the far right, but they are not labeled.
23:13<ladoga>you can toggle mute with "m" key
23:14<frodo>I changed them all so nothing is muted.
23:14<ladoga>i'll rephrase..that none of the necessary channels are muted
23:14<frodo>ladoga, They were not.
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23:15<ladoga>master and pcm most importantly
23:15<frodo>ladoga, PCM is 100 and master is 50
23:16<abrotman>frodo: sorry, on call, looking into something .. brb
23:16<frodo>abrotman, No worries.
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23:19<frodo>ladoga, Did you do anything awesome with you RPi yet?
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23:22<ladoga>frodo: nothing special yet, but it's a very nice little machine
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23:23<ladoga>frodo: you should join freenode/#raspberrypi
23:23<ladoga>lots of ppl there
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23:26<frodo_>abrotman, Sorry, i switched to wifi... timed out i think.
23:26<abrotman>we'll live!
23:27<abrotman>but ladoga was still talking to you :)
23:27<frodo_>ladoga, Sorry, i didn't see anything you posted... I didn't realize there would be a time out because of switching to wireless.
23:28<ladoga>i just told you should check out freenode/#raspberrypi
23:28<ladoga>lots of ppl there
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23:29<frodo_>I'll check it out
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23:30<frodo_>I though i would be able to open multiple iRCs, i was wrong....
23:30<ladoga>which irc client?
23:31<ladoga>though i think they all do
23:31<ladoga>sorry, cant help with that. using irssi myself
23:32<frodo_>I'm just using the default in Debian 6.0.5 ... for now. :)
23:33<sney_>frodo_: in xchat you can hit ctrl+t to open a new tab, and then connect to a different server there
23:33<frodo_>ladoga, So i am guessing i have a video issue too... When i move the windows they seem jittery.
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23:34<ladoga>about the sound issue, you can start troubleshooting by posting the output of following commands:
23:34<ladoga>lspci | grep -i audio
23:34<ladoga>dmesg | grep -i hda
23:35<frodo_>ladoga, From the first command ... 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
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23:38<frodo_>ladoga, Second command ...
23:39<frodo_>ladoga, Checking out the link you sent.
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23:43<frodo_>ladoga, I dont understand what to do with "nano /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf"
23:43<ladoga>that dmesg output looks nasty :/
23:43<frodo_>ladoga, ... when it loads.
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23:45<ladoga>not very easy intro to debian, but well atleast you might learn thing or two trying to get things to work
23:46<ladoga>normally most things just work.
23:46<sney_>audio is great when it works out of the box, but when it doesn't, it's always terrible. I hate troubleshooting audio most of all
23:46<sney_>I'd rather troubleshoot CUPS.
23:46<frodo_>ladoga, Could it have to do with the way o setup the partitions or the Debian install i DL'd?
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23:47<Mortchek>I'm trying to install VLC, which requires luac ("the Lua byte compiler"). What would be the package for that?
23:48<ladoga>frodo_: hardly
23:49<Gunman1982>Mortchek, apt-get build-dep vlc
23:49<frodo_>I am dual booting Win7 also. Prolly no impact though?
23:49<Mortchek>Woop, never mind. It turns out it's in lua5.1.
23:49<sney_>Mortchek: why compile vlc? it's in main
23:49<ladoga>anyway with raspi you'll have it easy. mine worked out of the box with raspbian image
23:49<Mortchek>sney_, I want to try the newest version before I report a bug.
23:49<frodo_>ladoga, Sweet! I can't wait!
23:50<ladoga>no issues whatsoever
23:50<sney_>note that raspbian isn't supported in #debian since it's a derivative distro
23:51<ladoga>yeah there's raspberrypi channel at for that
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23:53<ladoga>and maybe raspbian has it's own channel too. but pretty much it's default wheezy for armhf
23:53<frodo_>Anything i can try to correct my sound issue i am encountering
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23:54<sney_>frodo_: see the alsa-project link I pasted a few lines back. you likely just need to set the model
23:55<ladoga>frodo_: i have no ideas. google is probably the best bet unless someone else chimes in
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23:56<ladoga>and to your question about dual booting. no, it doesn't make any difference
23:56<dynamikztatik>What are the 'not+gnu-kfreebsd' and 'not+kfreebsd-gnu' virtual packages for? :)
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