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00:23<Wamphyri>has anyone managed to install ati prop drivers on squeeze?
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00:26<emss>Wamphyri: do not use ati, but i think there is a page on the that might document it
00:26<Wamphyri>yeah i tried to follow that
00:26<Wamphyri>it ended up not enabling the hdmi
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00:57<phillipsjk>For some reason my symlink to /dev/ttyS1 from /dev/modem keeps getting deleted. (Etch)
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01:04<emss>phillipsjk: df -hT
01:05<emss>or just df -T
01:05<phillipsjk>udev tmpfs 10M 56K 10M 1% /dev
01:06<phillipsjk>I suppose tmpfs means it gets cleared when the machine comes down :P
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01:12<emss>you need to create a udev rule
01:12<emss>or you could also setup a cron command
01:13<emss>or add it to /etc/rc.local
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01:15<hamstar>anyone know a way to install the deps for a local .deb file using apt-get?
01:16<emss>hamstar: you could try dpkg --install .deb and then apt-get -f install ?
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01:17<pparadis>hamstar: have a look at gdebi
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01:19<hamstar>thanks emss I found that method but I was hoping there was a single command...
01:19<pparadis>hamstar: err, rather this -->
01:19<pparadis>that's the command line only utility. it should do what you want.
01:19<hamstar>ah thanks pparadis :)
01:19<pparadis>"gdebi lets you install local deb packages resolving and installing its dependencies. apt does the same, but only for remote (http, ftp) located packages."
01:19<pparadis>no problem :)
01:21<emss>pparadis: that is misleading ...
01:21<emss>the description or whatever you ""
01:21<pparadis>emss: that's straight from the package description.
01:21<emss>you can local deb archives
01:21<emss>i.e. non http / ftp archives in your sources.list
01:21<pparadis>okay, sure, but that's an entirely different usecase.
01:22<pparadis>s/usecase/use case/
01:22<pparadis>i suppose if you want to contact the package maintainer and ask for the description to be changed, you can :)
01:23<hamstar>do you think its safe to run gdebi from inside a postinst script of a deb package?
01:23<hamstar>the deb i want installed is not in the repo
01:23<pparadis>now i'm confused what you want to do.
01:23<hamstar>i'm writing an app, which will use dropbox
01:23<hamstar>but dropbox is not in the repo
01:24<hamstar>so i can't have it as a dep in the deb control file
01:24<hamstar>so i was just going to install it in the pre or postinst
01:24<pparadis>when you go to install the package with dpkg, it will not complete the install until the dependencies are satisfied. i believe what you actually want is script that uses gdebi directly on the deb.
01:24<hamstar>but n second thoughts that might not be best practice
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01:25<hamstar>yep exactly
01:25<hamstar>as going to use a preinst script to download the dropbox deb, use gdebi to install it and its deps
01:25<pparadis>yeah, i'd make a tarball with the deb in it and an install script. that script would install gdebi first and then use it to install the deb.
01:26<pparadis>you could in fact make a deb that does that.
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01:27<pparadis>actually, i think that approach wouldn't work out, because the package db is still going to be locked during postinst for that deb, so you can't use that to fire off the gdebi command to install the real deb.
01:27<hamstar>i could put gdebi in the deps of my application... so its installed before the script in my applications deb runs to install dropbox?
01:27<pparadis>but i haven't touched making a deb in a long time, and i could be wrong there :)
01:27<hamstar>no worries
01:27<hamstar>i'll do some more research
01:28<hamstar>thanks for your help
01:28<pparadis>sure thing!
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02:03<Wamphyri>has anyone seen any sync software for android phones?
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02:34<nocturnal>is package search down?
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02:52<qboster>hi all, how can I insmod hard disk driver during the debian installation?
02:53<Wamphyri>what kind of hard disk?
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02:53<lr>I'm trying to connect via ssh and launch remote X app but I got "X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0"
02:53<Wamphyri>using putty or?
02:54<lr>no ssh
02:54<lr>no ssh -C -X user@ip
02:54<Wamphyri>what app are you using to ssh with?
02:54<lr>I can't understand
02:54<lr>every app
02:54<lr>xclock too
02:54<lr>says about no $DISPLAY
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02:55<Wamphyri>what application are you using to ssh with to your remote server?
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02:55<lr>default sshd and x
02:56<lr>I don't understand
02:56<lr>on my lan using ubuntu X work
02:56<lr>remote machine is not firevalled
02:56<lr>but it's virtual
02:56<Wamphyri>on the machine your on right now
02:57<Wamphyri>what are you using to connect t your remote desktop?
02:57<lr>could be some virutual kernel limitats?
02:57<lr>Wamphyri I can't understand your question, I use only ssh
02:57<ompaul>lr: is the user on who types ssh -X the user who is logged into the X session - I think you'll find it is not
02:58<lr>same user
02:58<Wamphyri>ompaul, think he's using a not graphical app or console
02:58<lr>but I can't see no DISPLAY
02:58<ompaul>Wamphyri: that makes sense but I did ask who is logged into the X session
02:58<lr>I'm from terminal
02:59<ompaul>lr: you must be in X
02:59<lr>X and gnome are installed
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02:59<ompaul>I asked a question which included that as a proviso, and you said yes..
02:59<ompaul>are you in gnome
02:59<lr>must I lauch X as background process?
03:00<ompaul>you must be in gnome or kde or xfce or something else to have that work
03:00<ompaul>and so it was a clue was installed
03:00<lr>I don't want desktop
03:00<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
03:00<ompaul>lr: you are getting one
03:00<ompaul>else you can't do what you want to do
03:00<lr>I only redirect windows app in my local gnome
03:00<lr>server: no gnome desktop
03:01<Wamphyri>terminal won't display graphics
03:01<ompaul>now you have conflicted information across many ideas
03:01<lr>client: gnome
03:01<ompaul>box you type ssh on is running both gnome and has a gnome terminal open
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03:01<ompaul>and so I go to work
03:01<lr>I would redirect gnome app using x11, no desktop only app
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03:02<lr>I do it form my lan using ubuntu and it works
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03:02<lr>from ubuntu in my local lan it works
03:02<Wamphyri>so desktop to desktop it works?
03:02<lr>form debian got display error
03:02<Wamphyri>but server to desktop won't work
03:02<lr>terminal to desktop
03:03<Wamphyri><Wamphyri> terminal won't display graphics
03:03<lr>server (terminal) -- client desktop
03:03<Wamphyri>but your ubuntu machine has desktop graphics right?
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03:04<qboster>Wamphyri, the megaraid_sas in squeeze
03:04<lr>ok, perhaps I'm wrong... but how can I do it?
03:04<lr>I already installed x and gnome in my virtual server
03:04<Wamphyri>lr you need x to display desktop graphics or a derivative of x
03:04<Wamphyri>qboster, thank you
03:05<lr>then how can I see an app (xclock for instance) from my remote machine to my local destop?
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03:06<Wamphyri>many different ways to do it but your local machine (desktop) needs to be running xorg or something
03:06<Wamphyri>of some sort to display graphics of that sort
03:06<lr>my local machine already running x
03:06<Wamphyri>vnc is one way
03:06<nocturnal>streuner_: it was the stupid corporate firewall, through my home proxy it works
03:06<lr>vnc for a single app?
03:06<nocturnal>CIO has received angry letter
03:07<lr>no desktop
03:07<Wamphyri>vnc can do single or entire desktop
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03:07<Wamphyri>but you need a desktop
03:07<lr>ok perhaps it's my error
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03:07<Wamphyri>even for a single app
03:07<Wamphyri>that displays graphics
03:08<lr>so I launch vnc from ssh
03:08<lr>Am I right?
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03:08<Wamphyri>you need a graphic desktop
03:08<Wamphyri>xorg for instance
03:08<lr>I already installed it
03:08<Wamphyri>on your local machine?
03:09<lr>and remote too
03:09<Wamphyri>then vnc is one way
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03:09<Wamphyri>theres many different ways i'm sure
03:09<lr>but I can drive my virtual server from ssh
03:10<alkisg1>`ssh -X server command` is an easy way to run one app only
03:10<lr>I already do it in my lan
03:10<Wamphyri>alkisg1, from terminal
03:10<alkisg1>Or a launcher, from wherever
03:10<lr>I always use it
03:10<Wamphyri>that was ment as a question
03:10<lr>no vnc
03:10<lr>I use ssh -X every time...
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03:11<lr>and it's ok in my lan
03:11<Wamphyri>alkisg1, he's trying to do it from terminal and use xclock from a remote machine
03:11<lr>but remotely give me errors
03:11<alkisg1>ssh -X is giving you errors on your setup?
03:11<lr>I got: "X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0"
03:11<alkisg1>Check your sshd_config
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03:11<lr>xqqforwarding yes
03:12<lr>I googled...
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03:12<lr>x11forwarding in conf file is ok
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03:12<lr>I think x11 forwarding is right configured
03:13<lr>from ubuntu (in my lan) ok
03:13<alkisg1>And what about the server's auth.log? Any messages there?
03:13<lr>form debian (virtual) no
03:13<lr>I not checked
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03:13<alkisg1>From Ubuntu client to server1 it works, and from Debian client to server1 it doesn't?
03:13<lr>now I check
03:14<lr>form ubuntu client to ubuntu server (LAN) it works
03:14<lr>form ubuntu client to debian 6 openVZ Virtual Server no
03:14<Wamphyri>alkisg1, from what i understand its server1 to Ubuntu client
03:14<Wamphyri>nvm i miss understood
03:14<lr>server has no firewall
03:14<alkisg1>OK, check auth.log
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03:15<lr>now I check... wait a moment
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03:17<lr>may I put auth.log here? (last lines)
03:18<Wamphyri>lr are you in a terminal window in X or in a console window?
03:18<lr>xterm in ubuntu
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03:18<CWang>can a terminal display X ?
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03:19<alkisg1>xterm runs under X, so yeah
03:19<Wamphyri>CWang, yeah i thought he was in a console window lol
03:19<alkisg1>lr: I think the channel policy is that for more than 2-3 lines you need to use pastebin
03:19<phillipsjk>bot enforced after ~6 lines
03:19<Wamphyri>NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin
03:21<Wamphyri>lr sorry for the confusion
03:21<lr>X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0
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03:22<lr>but no info about X in auth.log
03:22<alkisg1>lr, can you pastebin your sshd_config?
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03:23<lr>a moment
03:23<Wamphyri>gl guys i'm going home to bed lol
03:24<lr>X11Forwarding yes
03:24<lr>X11DisplayOffset 10
03:24<lr>PrintMotd no
03:24<lr>PrintLastLog yes
03:24<lr>TCPKeepAlive yes
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03:24<Uranix>after 5 to be precise
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03:25<lr>these are lines about X11 in sshd conf
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03:25<lr>now I put more lines in pastebin
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03:29<lr>this is my ssh config gile
03:29<lr>I pasted it
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03:30<lr>where am I worng?
03:30<lr>I can't understand
03:30<lr>should it depends form openvz kernel?
03:30<lr>I used nmap sometimes
03:31<lr>and I got filtered ports where ports was open from openvz
03:31<lr>could X Ãproblems depends from openvz kernel too?
03:31<alkisg1>Can you run ssh -X localhost when you're on the debian server?
03:31<lr>some limitation
03:31<lr>I can try
03:32<lr>but I can't see nothing (i think) bacuse I have ssh
03:32<alkisg1>lr: btw that's ssh_config, not sshd_config
03:32<lr>I put sshd config too
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03:34<lr>sshd conf
03:35<lr>could be it? #UseLogin yes
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03:37<alkisg1>No, it looks ok, that's commented out anyway
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03:37<alkisg1>It sounds openvz related then
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03:40<lr>Do you think I use ssh -X localhost?
03:41<lr>when I lauch xclock.... Error: Can't open display:
03:42<lr>and echo $DISPLAY is blank
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03:43<lr>I notice that at login I got: X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0
03:43<Uranix>is DISPLAY blank on server or client-side?
03:43<lr>so I think it should depends from x11
03:43<Uranix>or it was blank when you tried ssh -X localhost?
03:44<lr>x11 can't open the connection I think
03:44<lr>I don't know why
03:44<lr>x11 server default ports should be 6000-6010
03:44<lr>and ports are open in the server
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03:47<lr>R U there?
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03:48<jooles>Morning all. I'm trying to make a package for debian and I can't get debuild to work. It keeps moaning about auto generated files being "local changes". How can I tell it to ignore them without having to commit the changes as a debian patch every time please?
03:49<jooles>I'm trying to write a makefile rule to build the packages you see and I'd rather that the script just built the packages properly with no interaction
03:50<jooles>the rules file simply uses "dh_autoreconf" followed by "dh @"
03:50<jooles>"dh $@" even...
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03:52<jooles>Do I just use an "override_dh_clean" rule to delete the files it's complaining about, seeing as they won't be in the package anyway?
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03:55<lr>did we watch my ssh/d conf files?
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04:00<willemb>Is it feasible and relatively easy to boot debian with grub if /boot is a logical volume?
04:00<lr>some solution???
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04:27<tonino>benvenuti al nord ita
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04:48<sml>in debian using kvm if you use LVM as the partition type (RAW) and you create a VM and that VM then runs out of diskspace what can be done?
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04:51<yopyop_>grow the vg then the lv
04:52<sml>yopyop_: but what about the qemu-image. how do you GROW that afterwards ?
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04:53<armaan>need help
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05:01<devil>just ask
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05:19<tonino>oltre irc
05:19<tonino>oltre irc
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05:24<DeadPanda>hi, I'm having some trouble getting LyX to work with the Enchant spell-checker on Wheezy. I definitely have the dictionary for my locale installed, but LyX keeps complaining that "spell checker has no dictionaries"
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05:25<tale>DeadPanda: Wheezy is discussed on #debian-next (
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05:30<DeadPanda>tale, ah, thanks -- I'm not sure if it's a wheezy specific problem (hell, I get it on my Mac too), figured somebody might know something here
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05:30<tale>DeadPanda: Have you read bug reports on Enchant and LyX?
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05:36<lr>ok problems about ssh remained unsolved :(
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05:36<lr>now I go
05:36<lr>come back ltr I hope we can solve the X mysteries...
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06:09<knobo>Is it easy to install 32 bit's libraries on a 64 bint installation of squeeze?
06:09<devil>yes | no | sometimes
06:09<knobo>Any guide to that?
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06:09<knobo>I need 32 bit version of qt
06:10<devil>have not tried with qt
06:11<knobo>devil, thanx
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06:11<devil>remove all ia32-foo installed before proceeding
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06:13<knobo>devil, why? is it two different concepts?
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06:14<devil>yes, multiarch is new. it still sucks at times
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06:14<knobo>Is it possible to run qt with the ia32 package?
06:14<devil>specialy with 3rd party stuff
06:14<devil>knobo: no, that is depricated afaik
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06:21<chomwitt>if i want a program like ssh-agent to autostart at login what is the prefered wau to do it? init script or .bashrc ?
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06:55<dupondje>Would it be possible to install grub2 on a partitionless system with LVM ?
06:55<dupondje>so with pvcreate /dev/sda (so there are no partitions)
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08:37<sml>hi there. using linux as a layer 3 switch is there anything that one needs to do to make it handle the same amount of traffic as a commerical switch?
08:38<sml>a dell 6224 can handle 90mpps+ whereas Linux seems to die.
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08:49<daemonkeeper>sml: Well, there you see the difference between ASICs and software emulation.
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08:59<daemonkeeper>sml: Linux, as a system running on PC hardware gives you the freedom to run everything, but nothing particularly well. If you need something which runs particularly well, you need a system which does that, but nothing else. That's why people invest lots of money in enterprise network gear even though Linux /can/ do the same. This isn't so much about the operating system but the underlying platform. FreeBSD for example runs very well on JUNOS routers,
08:59<daemonkeeper> and Linux could do the same.
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10:33<sml>daemonkeeper: you still there? sorry I was out for a second. I was gonna ask if you could recommend a NIC that's more able to deal with that kind of network throughput. And also are there kernel tweaks via /etc/syctl.conf that could help in this instance ?
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10:34<ribe>I have a stable Gnome install, after a recent update, it must go thro 2 steps to shutdown.... can't figure oput what it is trying not to re-install!
10:35<daemonkeeper>sml: Yes, but this is a discussion on another level. Depending on your use case, TCP and IP parameters can be tuned, and an enterprise ("server" NIC) can be used to offload connection and TCP header calculation. That helps a lot.
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10:35<daemonkeeper>sml: Cheap network cards are typically interrupt-driven, that's a bad thing for high throughputs.
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10:39<sml>daemonkeeper: You know of a card that's known to be quite performance on linux (debian particular) ? i have a friend that's quite keen on replacing some network swithces with Debian (cool!) but he's finding that linux is struggling. I know, or rather have read, that some cards on linux are up to 30% faster than others either based on how they're designed or driver availability, but wasn't sure what else he could do other than buy better hardware
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10:40<sml>I've done quite a bit of Linux networking but not at this kind of throughput. he's finding that under heavy load or DDoS ip conntrack times out. not sure if increasing the ip conntrack times via sysctl is more of a hack tho
10:40<daemonkeeper>Intel and Broadcom server NICs support LSO/TOE. In both cases you need proprietary vendor drivers. The pristine kernel does not support that I think.
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10:40<sml>daemonkeeper: v. useful to know. thanks.
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10:41<daemonkeeper>Conntrack is a LIFO ring buffer.
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10:41<daemonkeeper>Under DDoS you want to empty the table regularly.
10:41<sml>so making the buffer bigger is a possibility then ?
10:42<sml>daemonkeeper: thanks.
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11:39<Gianluca_>ciao a tutti
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11:55<jackhill>The mirror with address 2001:500:61:28::70 appears to be down. It gives this error:
11:55<jackhill>The server refused the connection and said: OOPS: failed to open vsftpd log file:/var/log/vsftpd.log [IP: 2001:500:61:28::70 21]
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11:57<jackhill>Ganneff: any idea how to track down why I'm getting that error?
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12:59<reklipz>Space walk happening right now!
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13:12<reklipz>heikkila: International Space Station. Russians installing an antenna.
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13:13<ribe>hi all, I have an issue with my stable 64 bits debian gnome install, when I choose to shut it off, it just goes to another screen wher eI have to repeat the sequence, how canj I try to fix it with out a re-install?
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13:14<babilen>ribe: Could you run "id" as your user and show me the output?
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13:16<ribe>is this what you wanted to see? riberto@Cysko:~$ id
13:16<ribe>uid=1000(riberto) gid=1000(riberto) groups=1000(riberto),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(netdev),110(bluetooth),116(scanner)
13:16<EmleyMoor>I can play my MP3s with mplayer, but Amarok only produces silence... as though it's outputting to something other than my sound card. Why would that happen?
13:17<babilen>ribe: Yes, exactly. Your user is not a member of the "powerdev" group -- Could you run "adduser riberto powerdev", relogin and try again?
13:18<ribe>THANK YOU I appreciate your help!!!
13:18<reklipz>babilen: My user is not in the powerdev group, but I can shut off my machine without this issue.
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13:19<babilen>reklipz: I was just investigating that -- Unfortunately shutdown permissions for Gnome are a nightmare to understand in detail and it used to work the last time *I* had to look into it.
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13:20<reklipz>Gotcha. If it solves the issue...
13:20<EmleyMoor>Why can I not get any sound out of Amarok?
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13:20<devil>EmleyMoor: how would we know?
13:21<devil>EmleyMoor: what version?
13:21<EmleyMoor>You might have heard of the problem. Trying to google it.
13:21<reklipz>EmleyMoor: I'm not familiar with Amarok, but there's probably a configuration/preference for preferred sound architecture, and then configurations for the device thereof.
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13:21<devil>no idea what that would be. what backend is used?
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13:22<EmleyMoor>reklipz: It uses phonon which uses pulseaudio. gstreamer backend, xine also available
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13:22<devil>EmleyMoor: xine is dead.
13:22<reklipz>EmleyMoor: Which is mplayer using?
13:22<devil>remove it
13:22<devil>EmleyMoor: try the vlc backend. if that works, gstreamer lacks some packages
13:22<reklipz>EmleyMoor: Then I suppose you're wanting to use ALSA from Amarok too then?
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13:23<devil>EmleyMoor: but if you use pa, I am out.
13:23<EmleyMoor>I'm junt wanting it to work without me caring too much.
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13:23<EmleyMoor>just, even
13:24<ribe>babilen, it did NOT work, again after I chose shutdown it takes me to the initial log-in screen where I have to re-choose to shut down
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13:24<reklipz>ribe: Are you choosing "Shut Down" and not "Log Off" or "Switch User" from the dialog?
13:25<ribe>I am choosing shutdown NOT log off
13:25<reklipz>ribe: gotcha
13:25<devil>EmleyMoor: did you try vlc backend?
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13:27<reklipz>EmleyMoor: You need to configure phonon to use ALSA, I assume then.
13:27<EmleyMoor>devil: Not offered
13:27<EmleyMoor>reklipz: Not found out how yet
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13:27<reklipz>See the "Configuring Phonon" section.
13:27<devil>EmleyMoor: apt-get install phonon-backend-vlc, then choose it to be used in systemsettingsd
13:28<babilen>ribe: Ok, pity. Could you paste the output of "dpkg -l gdm gdm3" to ?
13:28<devil>EmleyMoor: are you actively using pa?
13:28<EmleyMoor>devil: No - I am frustratedly using it, if anything
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13:29<devil>EmleyMoor: alsa just works, no idea why people want pa.
13:30<EmleyMoor>FSVO just works... ISTR I had trouble getting 5.1 channels to prove working without it
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13:30<devil>EmleyMoor: is gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly installed?
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13:32<ribe>done babilen
13:32<EmleyMoor>devil: Yes
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13:32<babilen>ribe: Its typically a good idea to just give us the URL of your paste. But don't worry, I found it for now.
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13:33<babilen>That looks fine
13:33<EmleyMoor>devil: vlc backend still not offered
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13:35<devil>EmleyMoor: what do you mean by offered?
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13:36<EmleyMoor>devil: Not available to choose in amarok
13:36<devil>if it's installed, it should show in systemsettings/multimedia/backend and you can move it up to the top
13:36<EmleyMoor>How do I get there?
13:37<devil>from kmenu searchbar
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13:37<babilen>ribe: I can't really think of anything else right now - I'll be afk for a while, but I'll let you know later if something pops into my mind.
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13:37<EmleyMoor>devil: I'm sure I haven't got kmenu
13:37<devil>or F2, or write systemsettings in a terminal
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13:38<devil>EmleyMoor: do you have kde?
13:38<ribe>THANK YOU babilen
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13:38<EmleyMoor>devil: No - not in the full sense
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13:38<devil>EmleyMoor: try starting systemsettings from a cli
13:38<EmleyMoor>Not found
13:38<devil>as user
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13:38<devil>EmleyMoor: well, with a partialy kde I cant help
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13:39<devil>install systemsettings
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13:44*EmleyMoor has installed systemsettings and is waiting for it to start
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13:46<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... "System Settings was unable to find any views, and hence has nothing to display."
13:46<EmleyMoor>(and it segfaults if I try to configure)
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13:49<EmleyMoor>I've stripped pulseaudio from my system and am still getting nowhere
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13:51<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... hw:3,0 produces a sound in this headset
13:51<EmleyMoor>Only GStreamer backend offered
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13:52<EmleyMoor>Still, got sound now... so that's OK, for the time being
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13:54<lr>I solved the ssh inconveniece of few hours ago... :D
13:54<lr>all works well now
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13:55*EmleyMoor generally doesn't much care what he has to do, as long as he can get sound out of apps he actually wants to use
13:55<lr>ok... C U ltr bye
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13:57<EmleyMoor>One day I will find the one ideal setup and then it can stay there - until of course they decide to kill it off
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14:30<zophy>is there a utility that will do hardware discovery for me and determine what should go into a initrd ?
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14:35<Nemoder>zophy: hwinfo might help
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14:39<emss>zophy: `dmesg', `lspci', `lsusb'
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15:15<dutchfish>hi, can someone explain to me why wheezy curent repository do not have a non-pae 3.2 linux-image?
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15:16<themill>,v linux-image-3.2.0-3-486 wheezy
15:16<judd>Package: linux-image-3.2.0-3-486 on i386 -- wheezy: 3.2.23-1
15:16<themill>dutchfish: ^^
15:16<dutchfish>at least not for 686
15:17<themill>dutchfish: the corner case of stuff that can't do pae and isn't 486 was considered ignorable.
15:17<dutchfish>themill, i have such corner cases quiet alot
15:18<dutchfish>at least with less then 3 GB
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15:18<themill>you can still use the pae kernel quite happily on machines with less memory
15:18<dutchfish>themill, any known drawbacks?
15:19<themill>possibly some slight overhead in memory allocation but you'll not notice it; you get NX bit as a bonus
15:19<dutchfish>themill, yep, i already guessed tat
15:20<dutchfish>themill, the speed difference compard to 486 is quiet huge.
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15:21<dutchfish>themill, thanks for the info.
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15:34<Nathan2055>Is updated? (I'm new to Debian)
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15:36<tale>Nathan2055: What you mean by updated?
15:37<Nathan2055>I mean, if a security release is put out, do I get it?
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15:37<tale>Nathan2055: Yes, if you include debian security repo in apt sources.
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15:47<r4ph431>hello I'm looking for an explanation (URL/howto) about the annoying un-interruptible DHCPREQUESTs on eth0 when /etc/network/interfaces contains auto eth0 but eth0 is not plugged.
15:50<devil>r4ph431: why dont you change the entry to 'allow-hotplug eth0'?
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15:54<r4ph431>wow, it appears to be *the* line, thx a lot devil !
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15:54<r4ph431>so now I guess "auto eth0 wlan0" is ok as long as I keep "allow-hotplug eth0 wlan0" ?
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15:56<r4ph431>(I can play later with ifscheme/wpa_supplicant for the wifi if I'm sure the above won't hurt)
15:56<devil>no idea if they work together. 2 lines with 'auto wlan0' and 'allow-hotplug eth0' make more sense to me
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15:58<r4ph431>the "auto" stanza can take multiple arguments, and it appears that "allow-hotplug" too ( ifquery --list --allow=hotplug )
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15:59<r4ph431>I will try this right now, thx again
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16:46<memos>i wan't to ask something about 'ebtables' if someone here knows
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16:48<memos>if i 'll stop arp messeges from the INPUT on the external interface like ppp0 it will make any problem?
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16:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:50<memos>ok dpkg thanks you
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16:52<ladoga>dpkg is a bot
16:52<dpkg>ladoga: bugger all, i dunno
16:53<memos>haha xD
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17:27<Guest3686>Hi there! I'm new, so I don't know where I can ask questions about Debian. My question is: Can you boot without a bootloader? GRUB wouldn't install during installation of Debian.
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17:28<Nemoder>You need some kind of bootloader
17:28<Guest3686>I think it said that I could manually boot with the /vmlinuz kernel on partition /dev/sdb1 and root=/dev/sdb1 passed as a kernel argument
17:28<Nemoder>what errors did grub give?
17:29<Guest3686>It was just a fatal error that it couldn't install. I tried installing Debian twice now, with different mirror sites each time
17:30<Nemoder>what kind of drive setup are you installing it on?
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17:30<Guest3686>An ATA drive on an old computer
17:31<Guest3686>(I think)
17:31<Nemoder>does it have other drives or other partitions?
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17:31<Nemoder>so you created partitions in the debian installer and that part went ok?
17:32<Guest3686>Yes, I wiped the hard drive and the installer made one partition (+ a swap one)
17:33<Nemoder>which images are you using to install?
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17:33<Guest3686>I believe so
17:33<Guest3686>I used UNetbootin and selected Stable_NetInstall
17:34<Nemoder> might help
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17:38<devil>Guest3686: unetbootin will likely fail with debian
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17:39<Guest3686>Can I do a Debian install with a USB drive then?
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17:41<AgentC>Guest3686: yep
17:42<Guest3686>But UNetbootin doesn't work?
17:42<AgentC>Guest3686: get your iso-file and make : "cat debianinstall.iso > /dev/yourstickdevice"
17:42<DebianLover>any suggestion about showing top report with conky?
17:42<AgentC>(devicename without partition number)
17:42<AgentC>then try to boot
17:42<DebianLover>i use top -n1 -b > afile.txt
17:42<DebianLover>and in conky cat afile.txt
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17:43<DebianLover>it isn't without problem
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17:45<DebianLover>i get it
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17:53<Guest3686>I'm confused as to how to actually install Debian with a USB drive. Walkthrough?
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17:55<Guest3686>never mind
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18:08<Honeyman>Hello. I have some packages marked as "id" in aptitude search and assuming they were automatically installed, and now marked to be removed. But what command can be used to remove all these "waiting to be deleted" packages?..
18:09<Honeyman>Aptitude reference guide tells that "d" is the value of "action flag", but how to take these actions?...
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19:57<toni_>is there someone?
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19:59<toni_>I'd like to do a thing
20:00<toni_>but I don't know if it's possible or not
20:00<toni_>I would like to scan all packages in debian repositories
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20:00<toni_>and I'd like to list which of them
20:00<toni_>doesn't require Xorg to work
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20:01<toni_>in other words, I'd like to make a list of packages that works in terminal
20:01<Jzebus>do you mean search for a package?
20:01<Jzebus>apt-cache search <packagenbame>
20:01<Jzebus>perhaps a sudo? I can never remember
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20:02<toni_>I don't want to know what the package provide
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20:02<toni_>I'd like to check dependeces..
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20:02<devil>toni_: apt-cache depends <package>
20:03<devil>also apt-cache rdepends <package>
20:03<toni_>and how could I get a list (in txt format) of all packages in repository?
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20:03<toni_>something like dpkg -l , but for all packages
20:04<scientes_>toni_, the Packages file
20:04<scientes_>toni_, look in /var/lib/apt/lists
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20:08<toni_>do you know if it's possible
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20:09<toni_>to block some packages
20:09<toni_>to avoid the installation of these packages
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20:09<toni_>so that if a program need it , it will not be installed?
20:09<scientes_>toni_, man preferences
20:09<scientes_>toni_, oh, for that you need to install a dummy package that conflicts with the package
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20:10<toni_>I would like to avoid the installation of xorg
20:11<toni_>so that no packages which require graphical interface will be installed
20:11<scientes_>toni_, the package is libx11-6
20:11<nevyn>the actuall xserver? or the libs?
20:12<scientes_>nevyn, you can install all X packages with the server, cause its client/server
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20:12<nevyn>I know
20:12<scientes_>*without installing the server
20:12<scientes_>thats why you have to blacklist libx11-6
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20:12<scientes_>and also libxcb if you are thourough
20:12<nevyn>but then you realise you can't install vim-full or whatever it's called now
20:13<scientes_>anyways, toni_ what you are asking for doesn't really make any sense
20:13<scientes_>you can always look at what a package pulls in
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20:14<scientes_>but it is possible by creating a dummy package that conflicts with what you don't want to install
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20:16<iamtim>Forgive me if I am in the wrong channel; I didn't see one that looked right. Does anyone know why only .mp3 files on an external drive wouldn't show in nautilus or using "ls" in terminal, when I know they are there? All other file types display correctly.
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20:20<sney>iamtim: not unless it was using some oddball filesystem feature that isn't supported by the driver available in debian
20:21<scientes_>iamtim, do they show with "ls -a" ?
20:21<iamtim>sney: Thank you. I don't think that is the case, it is an NTFS file system, using ext4 for the linux install, clean Ubuntu, nothing out of the ordinary installed.
20:22<toni_>I have tried to run
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20:22<toni_>apt-cache depends
20:22<toni_>and apt-cache rdepends iceweasel
20:22<toni_>but I don't see a xorg packages
20:22<toni_>how I could understand that it requires xorg?
20:23<iamtim>scientes_: No, they don't. I'm trying to create a share and access them on another linux system, just to see if they show up that way. I might be wasting my time, it is just the only thing I can think of to isolate the problem.
20:24<emss>iamtim: does that drive have multiple partitions?
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20:25<emss>toni_: well you could follow the dependencies
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20:26<emss>toni_: some package that iceweasel depends on requires xorg etc.
20:27<emss>i assume it would be the gtk dependency since gtk is a gui toolkit for x
20:27<iamtim>emss: Yes, it is a 1TB drive, with sda1 being 150.25GB for a windows install, and sda2 being 781.26 GB being storage. It is sda2 that is giving me problems.
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20:28<emss>sure the files are on that partition and that is the partition you have mounted? :)
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20:29<iamtim>emss: Yes, it is mounted, and I can navigate to the files in both file browser and terminal. The directories are all there, the album art .jpg's are there, I have .avi files that show up in my "videos" folder. It is just .mp3 files that don't show.
20:30<toni_>how to blacklist a package ?
20:30<toni_>for example
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20:30<toni_>if I want to avoid the installation of libx11-6
20:30<toni_>how could I do ?
20:31<scientes_>toni_, have you ever used ssh X forwarding?
20:31<scientes_>you don't really have to worry about it
20:32<iamtim>But I can see them when I boot into Windows. And update on the network share: I cannot see the files from either linux or windows on separate computers. I only see them when I boot into the OS on the drive.
20:33<scientes_>iamtim, that means you are looking in the wrong place for them
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20:34<toni_>yes I tried ssh X forwarding
20:34<toni_>I don't know if it requires xorg installed
20:35<toni_>on the server or no
20:35<Wamphyri>what would cause a machine to run perfect for 5 minutes then freeze for 15 - 30 seconds then run great again for another 5 minutes?
20:37<emss>Wamphyri: a program using all/most available procssor/memory
20:37<Wamphyri>emss i thought the same but its not it does it in windows and linux both
20:37<emss>Wamphyri: try running `top' or a similar program and watch what happens
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20:38<emss>iamtim: could be some permission/acl rules?
20:39<Wamphyri>Cpu(s): 0.3%
20:39<toni_>do you know how to blacklist a package so that apt-get will never install it?
20:40<Wamphyri>emss, nothins using 100%
20:40<iamtim>emss: I'm not positive about that. I've managed to find some of them with the find -inname "*.mp3" -print command, but only select files. I will have to investigate specific instances by switching back and forth, I think.
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20:47<Wamphyri>emss, i'm at a loss for my issue tho lol
20:47<emss>has it happened while watching top?
20:47<Wamphyri>few times but nothing showed 100%
20:48<emss>or near
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20:48<emss>maybe it's an issue with read/writes to a disk ...
20:49<Wamphyri>is there a app i can use to test that?
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20:50<Wamphyri>in windows i have ran memtest86 passed no problem
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20:50<Wamphyri>also ran seagates hard drive tests and that passed
20:50<iamtim>Quitting channel to restart. Thank you to all those who offered suggestions. :) Love the open source community.
20:51<emss>iamtim hello?
20:51<iamtim>emss: Hey.
20:51<emss>iamtim try find . -iname "*.mp3"
20:51<nevyn>Wamphyri: so performance testing is an entire dicipline of it's own.
20:52<iamtim>emss: That worked for select instances, but about half are missing, for some reason. I'm restarting to investigate specific instances to make sure it isn't just an empty folder.
20:52<Wamphyri>nevyn, a machine with just xchat running should not freeze
20:52<Wamphyri>specially on a amd 1100T
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20:53<emss>this happens on both windows and debian?
20:53<nevyn>emss: system management code for seconds?
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20:53<nevyn>like that's just wierd.
20:53<nevyn>Wamphyri: it's not memory pressure?
20:53<Wamphyri>nevyn, i agree and i can't figure it out
20:53<Wamphyri>12g ram
20:53<Wamphyri>running 24g swap
20:53<nevyn>Wamphyri: current bios?
20:54<nevyn>how long does it freeze for?
20:54<nevyn>thermal cutout?
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20:54<Wamphyri>15 - 30 seconds
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20:55<emss>there is no need for 24g swap btw unless you are actually doing something that requires it :)
20:55<nevyn>is there heavy disk activity during that time?
20:55<Wamphyri>nevyn, possably but in windows i was running a app that showed the temp
20:55<Wamphyri>and it ever went above 32c
20:55<Wamphyri>nevyn, not in windows it ranged from 100kbs to 1ms
20:56<chealer>Wamphyri: did you check system logs?
20:56<Wamphyri>chealer what should i look for? lol
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20:56<emss>is the system actually freezing or maybe your graphical display :)
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20:58<Wamphyri>emss, what do you mean?
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20:59<emss>maybe the system is not actually feezing but just your display ...
20:59<emss>meaning something related to graphics
20:59<Wamphyri>what would cause the display to freeze tho? fans spinning, no dust build up
21:00<Wamphyri>card is luke warm to touch
21:00<emss>you can install the package sysstat for some monitoring tools
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21:01<emss>Wamphyri: a issue with driver
21:02<Wamphyri>emss, in both windows and 2 different versions in linux?
21:02<Wamphyri>both the free and non free in linus
21:02<emss>oh so multiple drivers
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21:03<Wamphyri>i have tried multiple drivers lol
21:04<emss>network traffic?
21:04<Wamphyri>to cause the entire machine to freeze? but no thats not it :)
21:05<emss>does happen under heavy network load
21:05<Wamphyri>no, could be 0 network or 100%
21:05<Wamphyri>happens without the cat5 cable plugged in as well
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21:07<emss>is it going into a sleep state? heavily fragmented disk?
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21:08<Wamphyri>emss, na brand new format and install
21:08<Wamphyri>sleep state disabled
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21:09<emss>did top stop updating the display with the machine froze?
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21:10<Wamphyri>machine does a hard freeze, mouse moves but nothing else works
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21:10<emss>well then you won't see any relevant info
21:10<Wamphyri>wouldn't it show the cpu usage?
21:11<Wamphyri>like record it afterwards?
21:11<emss>if the display stops updating you are not going to see anything
21:11<Wamphyri>specially if it hits 100%
21:11<Wamphyri>what would cause the display to stop updating?
21:11<Wamphyri>besides drivers because we are talking 2 different os's
21:12<emss>no i ment tops display from updating
21:13<emss>Wamphyri: what kernel are you running?
21:13<Wamphyri>Linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:00:17 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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21:13<Wamphyri>and windows 7
21:14<emss>you should try an updated kernel and see if it still happens
21:14<Wamphyri>and the updated kernel would find the issue from happening in winblows?
21:15<Wamphyri>i figured it needs to be a hardware issue but i don't know where to start
21:15<emss>is the windows machine up to date?
21:15<emss>windows install*
21:15<emss>could be an io scheduler issue
21:16<Wamphyri>thats hardware based?
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21:16<Wamphyri>honest question :)
21:16<emss>i have no idea really. does this happen under heavy load or just all the time with and without load?
21:17<Wamphyri>with and without
21:17<Wamphyri>one thing the hdd light on the tower stays constant when it freezes
21:18<emss>disable swap
21:18<emss> `swapoff'
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21:19<Wamphyri>ok its disabled
21:19<emss>are you sure?
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21:19<Wamphyri>Swap: 0k total, 0k used, 0k free, 7435152k cached
21:20<Wamphyri>pretty sure :p
21:21<emss>read about io scheduler issues related to amd processors and windows and might also pertain to older kernels i don't know specifics here etc.
21:22<Wamphyri>emss, least its a point some place for me lol
21:22<nevyn>you might be hitting a VM bug.
21:22<Wamphyri>virtual memory?
21:22<emss>the sysstat package has some tools e.g. iostat that might be useful
21:23<Wamphyri>from the swap?
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21:23<nevyn>yeah if you have 12gig of ram and you're hitting hard io blah.
21:24<nevyn>it's unlikely to be iosched
21:24<Wamphyri>nevyn, explain a bit more about hard io for me please
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21:26<nevyn>so your system is hitting io so hard that the box freezes. if the light is solid and the system is unresponsive it's not a technical term ;)
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21:27<Wamphyri>how to fix?
21:27<Wamphyri>it just started happening 2 - 3 weeks ago and i had the machine for 2 years lol
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21:30<Wamphyri>btw disabling the swap seems to have fixed it o.O
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21:37<emss>there is no need for 24gb of swap unless you are using it for a particular purpose i.e. debugging kernel panics
21:38<nevyn>depends if you're still using rick's vm ;)
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21:38<scientes_>emss, why would debugging kernel panics need 24gb swap?
21:38<Wamphyri>i'm old school lol
21:38<Wamphyri>back when your swap was 2x your memory
21:39<nevyn>Wamphyri: disk is cheap
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21:39<nevyn>unless it's enterprise disk
21:39<emss>and your memory was 128mb :)
21:39<nevyn>which is still notcheap
21:39<scientes_>Wamphyri, if you have SSD swap isn't so bad, but on hard drive its just unbearable
21:39<Wamphyri>so is memory lol
21:39<Wamphyri>its a old raptor
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21:39<nevyn>emss: 2xmemory is still a good rule for all os's that arn't linux and even on linux it's just some wasted disk
21:39<Wamphyri>sata1.5 drive lol
21:40<scientes_>nevyn, except it never really made much sense
21:40<scientes_>its really specific to the workload
21:40<nevyn>scientes_: yes it does
21:40<scientes_>and speed of the swap
21:40<scientes_>with /tmp as tmpfs you might want swap to be big
21:40<nevyn>so it depends on how the VM behaves
21:40<scientes_>(or fix your programs)
21:40<Wamphyri>lmao its just a old habit of mine
21:40<scientes_>I mean, if you use the "pause" with virtual machines, then maybe you want a shit-load of swap
21:41<scientes_>i use to have 32GB of swap
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21:41<nevyn>scientes_: so linux uses swap as "overflow" of core.
21:41<scientes_>but really you can always add a swap file if you are on ext4
21:41<scientes_>so don't sweat it
21:42<emss>yes, there is no longer performance loss for using a swap file
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21:43<scientes_>unless you are on btrfs, where its completely unavailable
21:43<Wamphyri>any sensors apps for gnome?
21:44<scientes_>gnome3?--no idea
21:44<emss>there is ...
21:44<scientes_>havn't used gui sensors since gnome 2
21:44<scientes_>however having a fan on your hard drives is a good idea
21:45<Wamphyri>scientes_, and monitors your cpu temps ect isn't bad either
21:45<scientes_>Wamphyri, that isn't a big deal, your computer will just abort if it gets too hot
21:46<Wamphyri>scientes_, i would rather know before hand
21:46<scientes_>so unless you are doing something crazy like turning off SMI interrupts, or doing some insane nmber crunching on a i7 you don't really have to worry about it
21:46<Wamphyri>my cpu isn't fan cooled
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21:46<scientes_>i hit the setting in bios to have the fan change speed with temp
21:46<scientes_>it spends half its time off
21:47<Wamphyri>scientes_, mine are 100%
21:47<Wamphyri>100% of the time lol
21:47<scientes_>its actually kinda annoying
21:47<Wamphyri>one of my fan ports drive the water pump for my cpu there for i would rather know if my cpu is getting warm or if the fan speed changes
21:47<scientes_>be better if it just kept the super-slow speed, cause when it starts it is kinda annoying visibility-wise
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21:47<scientes_>but i guess i am wierd having the computer out in the open with no case...
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21:48<Wamphyri>well since my cpu is where public is i rather not have people poking at it
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21:49<Wamphyri>emss thank you btw
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21:51<Wamphyri>scientes_, in the privacy of my office at home i'm not so worried about my tower
21:51<Wamphyri>but in my shop where public goes into my office and my workers i'm a bit more worried
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21:59<marcio>eae menozada
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22:54<Wamphyri>how do i get the ati 5770 to display 1080i instead of 720?
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22:58<perlwizard>What tool do people use to manage init scripts ? For example, to enable/disable a certain script on a given runlevel (or all runlevels)
22:58<perlwizard>Wamphyri are you sure it supports that ?
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23:07<Wamphyri>perlwizard, yeah
23:07<Wamphyri>used 1080i in winblows
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23:11<perlwizard>Wamphyri what driver are you using? and pastebin xrandr output
23:12<Wamphyri>ati propitary
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23:16<perlwizard>running with xorg.conf or without ?
23:16<Wamphyri>i think with
23:17<perlwizard>pastebin it
23:17<Wamphyri>pretty open ended i know
23:17<Wamphyri>before i waste your time, how do i find if i'm using xorg.conf or not?
23:18<perlwizard>see if there is /etc/X11/xorg.conf
23:18<Wamphyri>yup i has that
23:18<perlwizard>well pastebin
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23:19<perlwizard>are you on stable?
23:21<perlwizard>that file looks like it was generated by ati thingy.
23:21<Wamphyri>that it was
23:21<Wamphyri>the aticonfig --initate or some crap
23:22<perlwizard>run `gtf 1920 1080 30`
23:22<perlwizard>put the modeline output at the end of monitor section in xorg.conf
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23:24<perlwizard>then in subsection Display of section Screen put Modes "1920x1080_30.00"
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23:25<Wamphyri>good to go?
23:26<perlwizard>try restarting X now
23:26<Wamphyri>ok good
23:26<Wamphyri>one more thing :p
23:26<Wamphyri>no sound through the hdmi cable
23:26<Wamphyri>found posts about
23:26<perlwizard>pastebin `lspci -nnk`
23:29<Wamphyri>thats a hell of a list
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23:31<perlwizard>( is a better place to pastebin things)
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23:31<Wamphyri>ok :)
23:32<perlwizard>are you using plain alsa
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23:32<perlwizard>or have some advanced audio stuff
23:33<Wamphyri>default one that comes with debian 6.0.5
23:33<Wamphyri>and regular hdmi cable tv - pc
23:33<perlwizard>pastebin `amixer`
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23:37<perlwizard>Wamphyri aplay -l
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23:43<Wamphyri>perlwizard, should my audio be working?
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23:44<perlwizard>Wamphyri do you have sound when using normal 3.5mm connector ?
23:45<Wamphyri>no other speakers :(
23:46<perlwizard>Wamphyri go to alsamixer, press F6, see if hdmi output is listed there
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23:47<Wamphyri>HDA ATI SB, HD-Audio Generic
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23:48<perlwizard>the HD-Audio Generic is your hdmi
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23:50<Wamphyri>in alsamixer whats MM stand for?
23:50<Wamphyri>lol how i unmute?
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23:50<perlwizard>press m
23:50<Wamphyri>and 00?
23:51<Wamphyri>sorry for the 1,000000000 questions
23:51<perlwizard>sound level
23:51<Wamphyri>can't change the volume in alsomixer
23:53<pinguy>does anyone here use Pinguy OS?
23:54<Wamphyri>perlwizard, could it be user doesn't have access to pcm?
23:54<perlwizard>Wamphyri if users in group audio should have access
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23:54<perlwizard>s/if //
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23:55<Wamphyri>guess that means i'm in the clear lol
23:56<txt_file1>i have a little problem with my wheezy. it thinks that something is mounted while it actually not
23:56<perlwizard>Wamphyri poke around with aplay -L, aplay -D and some wav files
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23:57<perlwizard>if everything fails, try a newer driver.
23:58<Wamphyri>newer driver?
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23:58<Wamphyri>what version am i running o.O
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23:59<perlwizard>Wamphyri aptitude show fglrx-driver
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