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00:26<Kunda>is there a text based or ncurse type of backup suite that has rsync and mysqldumps of multiple dbs (without locking the dbs but dumping them mid-write) ? Don't want to reinvent the wheel.
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00:26<Kunda>correction: and not dumping them mid-write
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01:06<CQ>hello, I need to get newer virtualbox guest additions, how do I include squeeze-backports? just add an apt line?
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01:09<roughnecks>CQ: yes
01:09<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>.
01:10<CQ>just found it, works, thanks...
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01:15<CQ>I'm getting a build error that cmake wants zlib1.2.x to build something, I have zlib1g-dev installed, latest version ( ... any ideas?
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01:27<Jak_Atackka>Hello. I need some help with partitioning my hard drive via cfdisk
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01:29<sney>Jak_Atackka: cfdisk is pretty straightforward. what's the problem
01:30<Jak_Atackka>I used to have Windows Vista and Windows 7 installed on two different partitions. I've since only used Windows 7, until a recent update made it decide that it's not a genuine copy. I lost the disc and product key a while back, so I decided screw it, I'll install Linux in the place of Vista
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01:31<Jak_Atackka>I backed up my files and wiped the Vista partition. I deleted the partition and I can't make any new partitions
01:32<Jak_Atackka>I hover over the Free Space, select New -> Primary -> 15000mb, and nothing happens
01:32<Jak_Atackka>I've tried writing the changes various times, but nothing's been changed (or so it seems)
01:33<Jak_Atackka>Oops, never mind! I found the problem. Apparently you can't create any new partitions if any of them have the "Bootable" flag
01:33<Jak_Atackka>Any of the existing partitions, I mean
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01:37<Jak_Atackka>New question: How do you move partitions? I need the free space to be at the end, because if it's in the middle it's inaccessible
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01:40<Jak_Atackka>Any ideas?
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01:44<roughnecks>i would try
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01:44<Jak_Atackka>I haven't installed Linux yet. I have to partition the drives first
01:45<roughnecks>it's a live cd
01:45<roughnecks>you can move/resize partitions with it
01:46<Jak_Atackka>Do I need to have anything installed?
01:46<roughnecks>to use gparted? no
01:47<deb2012>always backup critical data before move partition.
01:47<Jak_Atackka>Okay, thanks. I just found parted, so if that doesn't work then I'll try GParted
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01:49<deb2012>win show 2
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01:50<Jak_Atackka>I can't back up anything - Windows deleted it's own BOOTMGR, so I'm stuck with live CDs
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01:52<Jak_Atackka>I'll get back to you after I've finished downloading GParted, in half an hour
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03:19<toni_>i've installed packages from stable repository and from testing repository
03:20<toni_>how can I make a list of installed packages which indicates from which they have been taken?
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04:19<tale>toni_: apt-cache policy <package name> shows where it came from.
04:20<tale>toni_: Maybe some other apt commands also give info.
04:23<PaulePanter>Is someone using GDM 3 on this list?
04:24<PaulePanter>Could you please test, if selecting a user, which opens the password dialog, and then hitting the escape key closes this dialog for you.
04:25<a414>It does. What did you expect to happen?
04:25<PaulePanter>a414: Thanks.
04:26<PaulePanter>It does not work on my system. :/
04:26<a414>Check /etc/gdm3/*.conf ?
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04:27<PaulePanter>Do you have `desktop-base` installed, that means, do you have the new Joy theme background?
04:27<PaulePanter>a414: Do you have 3.4.1-2 from Debian Sid/unstable?
04:28<toni_>tale, I don't want to search a single package
04:28<toni_>I want a list of all installed packages
04:28<a414>PalePanter: No, this machine is still on Squeeze.
04:28<toni_>by category (stable - testing repo)
04:29<PaulePanter>a414: Oh, alright. It worked for me with Squeeze too. ;-)
04:29<PaulePanter>Any Sid users here using GDM 3?
04:30<a414>toni_: This is still about listing which packages are from squeeze and which are from testing? Try apt-cache policy .\*
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04:34<bps>PaulePanter: no it doesn't do what you described. gdm3 with desktop-base
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04:36<PaulePanter>bps: Thanks for testing. So to be clear on the »no«, the escape key does not work for you?
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04:42<themill>dpkg: tell toni_ about which repo
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05:27<siducer297>Hey guys
05:27<siducer297>i get this errer:
05:27<siducer297>E: Internal Error, No file name for libc6
05:27<siducer297>E: Couldn't configure pre-depend multiarch-support:amd64 for libgcc1:amd64, probably a dependency cycle.
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05:36<SynrG>siducer297: first, i don't know the answer. second, but someone may on #debian-next which supports wheezy/sid
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05:45<siducer297>SynrG: thx
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06:22<sergy> hi there! AFAIK UBCD uses syslinux to boot from flash. I did all steps but it does not boot.
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06:24<actordc>Provides your Mainboard booting from a flash device?
06:26<sergy>yes. I tried booting in vmware and it is o.
06:27<sergy>*and it is ok.
06:27<sergy>And on any other pc it all ok
06:27<sergy>But debian installer flash still boots up in a right way
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06:28<actordc>vmware uses a virtual mainboard, you don't use your own
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06:28<sergy>yeh, I know that
06:29<sergy>I can boot deabian installer flash with my mainboard
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06:29<actordc>If it is working on a second pc, your mainboard do not provides this
06:29<sergy>I could even boot UBCD flash about half-year back. But now I cant
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06:30<sergy>I even cant change much in bios - it is efi from insyde
06:30<actordc>How often did you tried again?
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06:31<sergy>how often did i try what?
06:31<actordc>Boot again from your flash device
06:32<sergy>I redid installation procedure about 10 times for last night
06:32<sergy>and all ten times it did not boot
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06:32<sergy>all I get is "Boot error"
06:33<sergy>I press <Enter> and then LILO from HDD starts
06:33<actordc>Perhaps a component get Damaged. Do you own a second Mainboard?
06:33<sergy>ooh. nope. it is a laptop
06:34<sergy>what component?
06:35<actordc>a resistor, a transistor
06:35<actordc>these little things on your board
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06:36<sergy>i understand. i know something in electronics (perhaps i think so)
06:36<sergy>But another flash drive still boots up
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06:36<sergy>(with debian installer)
06:36<sergy>they both use syslinux
06:36<actordc>a usb stick ?
06:37<sergy>both of them
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06:37<SynrG>how was the usb stick prepared? using dd? something else?
06:37<sergy>for debian installer - i don't remember.
06:37<sergy>but for ubcd the way is
06:37<sergy>1. dd of mbr
06:38<sergy>2. mount, copy files, delete ldlinux from /boot/syslinux
06:38<sergy>3. unmount, syslinux to /boot/syslinux on flash stick
06:38<sergy>(/boot/syslinux - is dir @ flash stick)
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06:39<nome>hi ... what is the better way to have jails? install new os into default os by deboostarp and install services infor chroot os? or install services on default os and chroooted it one by one?
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06:49<sergy>im back. made flash stick with unetbootin and still nothing
06:51<devil>sergy: unetbootin will likely not work with debian
06:51<babilen>!usb install
06:51<dpkg>You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
06:51<babilen>sergy: Read that ^^^^
06:52<devil>sergy: just use dd to put the iso on your stick
06:52<devil>or cat, yes
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06:53<babilen>sergy: It essentially boils down to "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" with /dev/sdX being your sticks block device (e.g. /dev/sdb, but triple check in "dmesg|tail -n23" after plugging it in)
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06:53<uaca-uaca>hi, I'm trying to install fglrx-driver from squeeze-backports
06:53<babilen>,v fglrx-driver
06:53<judd>Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:12-6+point-1; experimental/non-free: 1:12-6+point-1+exp1
06:53<uaca-uaca>I've added deb squeeze-backports main contrib non-free
06:53<sergy>(wahts s/dd/cat, whats 's'?) oh, i tried do dd to the stick (/dev/sdb), but i didnt try to do dd to partition (/dev/sdb1)
06:53<uaca-uaca>in sources.list
06:53<uaca-uaca>but it doesn't show up in apt-cache policy fglrx-driver
06:53<babilen>uaca-uaca: There is no fglrx-driver in backports, so that shouldn't work.
06:53<sergy>is there any differnece (i think yes)
06:54<uaca-uaca>I was looking here
06:54<uaca-uaca>and here
06:54<babilen>sergy: What did you do exactly? dd and cat should work more or less the same with dd being slower if you don't specify a larger blocksize (bs=1M for example). cat or cp tunes that automagically.
06:55<uaca-uaca>hm, just saw that it's only for amd64
06:55<uaca-uaca>not for 386
06:55<sergy>i did 'dd if=./ubcd511.iso of=/dev/sdb'
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06:55<babilen>uaca-uaca: Oh, looks as if you are right, there should be fglrx-driver in backports. I guess that you forgot to add "contrib non-free" to backports as well. No idea why our bot doesn't list that version though :-/
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06:56<babilen>sergy: What is ubcd511.iso and where is it from?
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06:56<bernat>babilen: that backport it's amd64 only
06:57<babilen>,v fglrx-driver --arch amd64
06:57<judd>Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; squeeze-backports/non-free: 1:12-3-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 1:12-6+point-1; experimental/non-free: 1:12-6+point-1+exp1
06:57<babilen>bernat: Hooray! :)
06:57<sergy>babilen: ubcd - ultimate boot cd (just like rescue cd with lots of tools), dl from its site
06:57<babilen>uaca-uaca: Which architecture do you use?
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06:57<babilen>sergy: What does that have to do with Debian?
06:57<uaca-uaca>babilen: forced to 386, unfortunately
06:57<bernat>babilen: uaca-uaca already realized but you didn't read it
06:58<babilen>yeah ...
06:58<sergy>nothing. thing is syslinux (as i think)
06:58<babilen>I don't necessarily read things that aren't addressed to me when I am talking to multiple parties. My apologies.
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06:58<sergy>babilen: nothing. thing is syslinux (as i think)
06:58<babilen>sergy: I don't quite understand what you expect us to do in that case.
06:59<uaca-uaca>babilen: in that case, is there a -pae kernel in the stable repo? is that what the -bigmem kernel does?
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07:00<uaca-uaca>this is mostly why I had installed 3.2 from squeeze-backports in the first place
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07:00<babilen>uaca-uaca: exactly -- You can also install a amd64 kernel on i386 userland btw.
07:01<babilen>uaca-uaca: Just ask our bot about <pae>, <bigmem> and <686-pae> -- /msg dpkg pae
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07:02<waprau>Hello, what command to use to download deb packages to /var/cache/apt/archives from my own repository? I have made necessary changes to /etc/apt/sources.list to point it to my repository? The command I am using to download is 'apt-get -d update'. But I can not see .deb files from my repository downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives. Thanks.
07:02<bernat>uaca-uaca: babilen: if I'm not mistaken, installing a bigmem or amd64 kernel won't help you at all
07:02<sergy>babilen: i understand u. why could syslinux not boot. as i understood it is some sort of io.sys for dos.
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07:03<uaca-uaca>bernat: I just want to be able to access 4 (or 8) GB of ram instead of the current 3.5
07:04<uaca-uaca>it worked with 3.2-pae, but then I had to switch to ATI and I couldn't get fglrx to work with 3.2
07:04<bernat>uaca-uaca: sorry, I understood you were trying to install a newer driver
07:04<uaca-uaca>that was only because I had 3.2-pae, I'm now falling back to 2.6-bigmem :)
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07:05<uaca-uaca>babilen: I didn't know I could have mostly x86 userland and only the kernel and some apps x64; I had only mixed them the other way around before
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07:06<uaca-uaca>i.e just very few x86 apps
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07:07<bernat>uaca-uaca: that's a bit complicated in Squeeze, Wheezy will have multi-arch support and will make it easier
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07:10<uaca-uaca>bernat: ok, in that case I'll stick with bigmem for now
07:10<uaca-uaca>bernat, babilen: thanks!
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07:12<xubuntu>hello zhere cqn i find xorg.conf
07:13<chrisreich>I think you can use the 'locate' command from a terminal.
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07:14<xubuntu>no i am in a live cd
07:14<chrisreich>not certain, but try the commands "cd /", then "locate xorg.conf"
07:15<xubuntu>no i am in a live cd
07:15<chrisreich>the file xorg.conf may not be used in a live CD. It's no longer used by default in Debian since Lenny or Etch.
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07:15<xubuntu>and it stand on my debian partiton
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07:36<Maccampus>Debian after newly installed has which Window Manager for x11 ?
07:37<engla>depends on what you choose during installatino
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07:38<Maccampus>say i select KDE & later am not satisfied, can i completely let KDE be removed & install Gnome using an installer ?
07:38<engla>you can do that using apt yes
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07:40<chrisreich>how would one *completely* de-install one of the desktop environments, given that there are typically hundreds of related files involved?
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07:41<chrisreich>the only way I've done that in the past was by using snapshots under a VM.
07:41<bernat>chrisreich: uninstalling all its packages
07:42<chrisreich>the trick is to *know* what *all* the package names are.
07:42<Maccampus>Can that be done without actually knowing all the different packages Bernat ?
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07:42<bernat>Maccampus: chrisreich: Debian uses tasks
07:42<bernat>Maccampus: chrisreich: a task lists all packages required for a given DE
07:43<dpkg>tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>.
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07:43<utkesmer>hello, i have an initiation script in init.d, i want to remove it by it doesn't let me, i think it's because it's running, i'm trying to stop it by using "service scriptname stop" but it says this system can't track names more than 15 characters, use --exec instead of --name
07:44<utkesmer>i also try to do "update-rc.d -f scriptname remove"
07:44<Maccampus>would this tasks also lists the file managers & otkr apps included in such full grown Wi,dow Managers like Gnome & KDE ?
07:44<chrisreich>I use 'aptitude'. So I could just select the task associated with the DE to remove, then remove it, letting aptitude do all the figuring out of what packages should be removed with the DE. Do I understand this correctly?
07:45<bernat>chrisreich: yes
07:45<chrisreich>tasksel does not allow me to select *which* of two or more DEs to install/remove.
07:45<bernat>Maccampus: tasks are lists of packages
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07:45<chrisreich>thank you bernat. I understand this better now.
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07:48<utkesmer>how to stop a script in init.d? service scriptname stop doesn't work, i did update-rc.d scriptname defaults, now i'm trying to do update-rc.d -f scriptname remove but it says service skeleton is already provided, service scriptname stop says that it can't track names more than 15 characters, use --exec instaed of --name, what is exec?
07:49<bernat>utkesmer: you can run it like /etc/init.d/scriptname and in case it doesn't belong to any package and you want to remove you can do "rm /etc/init.d/scriptname"
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07:51<utkesmer>bernat, isnt update-rc.d scriptname defaults necessary?
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07:51<utkesmer>this script starts my servers on boot
07:51<utkesmer>and if i'm going to delete it, shouldnt i do update-rc.d -f scriptname remove, first?
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07:52<bernat>maybe those commands have a problem with the length of the name of your script
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07:53<bernat>be aware those comands are intended to be used in package scripts
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08:03<toni_>nouveau gpu lockup
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08:03<toni_>system blocked
08:03<toni_>what driver should I use for my old card?
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08:10<Zw>Hi. Is there a way to set a sticky bit on a folder as root to deny deleted of a specific folder _even_ when the user is owner of the higher tree folder ? :)
08:13<bernat>Zw: no
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08:15<bernat>Zw: I'm not fond on this but I think it could be done with ACL
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08:17<toni_>is it possibile to load a program in ram without having to start it ?
08:17<toni_>so that when I start it it's very fast?
08:18<daemonkeeper>Some programs support that as feature. Generally, no.
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08:19<bps>you can create a ramdisk and some filesystems have big caches
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08:20<utkesmer>guys how to copy a folder?????
08:21<AgentC>utkesmer: no, cp
08:21<bps>with cp
08:21<AgentC>utkesmer: cp -r sourcedirpath destinationpath/
08:21<utkesmer>-r for?
08:21<daemonkeeper>r for read the manual.
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08:22<AgentC>;=) recursiv
08:22<a414>toni_: Just do: cat programbinary >/dev/null. You will have to do that for its libraries as well.
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08:23<bernat>a414: toni_: that just might put the program in memory temporally until the memory is used to cache anything else
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08:38<TobiX>toni_: There is a tool that preloads stuff that gets used at boot to make the boot faster: It is in Debian as readahead-fedora
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08:41<toni_>another question:
08:41<toni_>if xfce I can set up which is my prefereed application to browse file
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08:42<toni_>like thunar nautilus ecc ecc
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08:42<toni_>How can I set my file browser in TWM ?
08:42<memos>i have a git repository with some history and i created it from the parent of the 'projects' directory and now the git tree is something like this 'projects/project1' how can i change the history to look like the parent is the 'project1'?
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08:42<toni_>so that if I click in an application : open in directory, I will open with one file browser ?
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08:52<SynrG>toni_: is twm started with ck-launch-session?
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08:52<SynrG>that may or may not be relevant here
08:52<SynrG>some apps use dbus to find other apps that care when delegating actions to them
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08:53<SynrG>another thing to explore is xdg-open, which handles opening files with appropriate apps (not sure if that applies for directories, though)
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08:55<memos>ohh .. i found it ... git filter-branch --tree-filter 'mv projects/project1 .;rm projects' HEAD
08:55<memos>was easy
08:56<toni_>i start twm having in .xinitrc this: "exec twm"
08:56<Maccampus>can i run World of Warcraft in Debian ?
08:58<memos>you can
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08:59<memos>more info -> google search wine
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09:01<Maccampus>do i need windows to get started or can i install from wihin wine ?
09:02<memos>you can within wine
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09:06<dutchfish>since latest kernel update (wheezy) i got problems, anything you guys know about it?
09:06<dutchfish>example: kernel: [ 0.500023] pci0000:00: ACPI _OSC request failed (AE_NOT_FOUND), returned control mask: 0x1d
09:06<memos>try with the package playonlinux and if it will not work install the wine and do it manually
09:06<dutchfish>any hints welcome
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09:08<memos>dutchfish open the reportbug and search for bugs ... if you dont find something relative report it
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09:09<dutchfish>memos, 3.2.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jul 23 02:45:17 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux (no reports on this one, and have some more on other machines, same arch same kernel)
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09:10<dutchfish>memos, i have no clue how to even repport it and how to debug it, ACPI is not my field of knowledge.
09:11<dutchfish>memos, what i do know is that some machines go DOS after reboot sometimes.
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09:22<teb>good morning. I'm in squeeze and having a problem with my Terminal (console) for normal user.. it doesn't pop-up and I only see a window that appears and dissapears quickly
09:22<SynrG>toni_: you might try ck-launch-session twm instead
09:22<teb>i've tailed -f syslog and dmesg with no luck
09:22<SynrG>toni_: well, "exec ck-launch-session twm"
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09:30*babilen sprinkles SynrG's suggestion for toni with some dbus magic so it look like: "exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch twm"
09:30<babilen>And twm? seriously? :)
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09:31<SynrG>babilen: spotted a twm user at our last LUG meeting
09:31<SynrG>he was also running it on a seriously ancient and weather-beaten laptop. a P100 or so
09:32<toni_>synrg: yes, but where I can write which file browser to start ??
09:33<SynrG>toni_: as for the file associations themselves, that's why i pointed you at xdg-open (you'll need to read the doc on related tools to figure it out, *if* that's a part of the solution)
09:34<SynrG>it may be that you need both, ... or neither.
09:35<SynrG>see also mailcap
09:35<SynrG>once upon a time, mailcap was all i had to care about. but that was only to handle specific file types. i *still* have no idea how the "open in directory" works
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09:36<SynrG>since directories have no 'file type'
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10:02<Black_Prince>SynrG: are you sure that wasn't MrFrood (guy with an ancient laptop)?
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10:06*memos burning a graphic card (8600GT) :)
10:07<SynrG>Black_Prince: heh. no ... this guy is a blacksmith who lives out in the country
10:07<SynrG>hardcore DIYer
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10:08<Black_Prince>oh, okay
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10:08<SynrG>his latest project: cannibalize parts from a (computer) mouse and hack together with a reed switch attached to a squirrel cage to measure exercise output of a pet mouse (a rescued injured animal)
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10:11<yatta>i tried to install pc studio samsung with wine - it crashed. now I just want to uninstall it. how?
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10:12<yatta>how do I uninstall things installed with wine anyway?
10:13<memos>in ~/.wine i think is the folder with the configs and the windows root ... search there
10:13<yatta>i don't want my OS drunk
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10:19<yatta> found drive_c lol
10:19<memos>window partitions are the folders :P
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10:23<yatta>memos, so I just delete instead uninstall?
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10:25<TobiX>yatta: "wine uninnstaller"
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10:26<TobiX>Arrg. "wine uninstaller" if you just want to remove one application or "rm -R ~/.wine" to remove the whole wine and start over ;)
10:27<yatta>ok thank you too
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10:28<TobiX>The best way (IMHO) is to install every application into a different wineprefix (a windows installation of sorts) and remove the whole wineprefix if you don't need it anymore. winetricks has some support for that, PlayOnLinux does it by default AFAIK and pywinery is a small wineprefix manager (not in Debian)
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10:29<memos>which is better?
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10:31<memos>hey Ozzie
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10:33*memos reboots the pc
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10:41<memos>anybody knows any solution relative to nfsv4 root which mounted as nfsv3 instead on wheeze/sid?
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10:41<memos>nfs server runs with squeeze
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10:43<dutchfish>memos, page 5
10:44<dutchfish>memos, (pseduo fsid)
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10:51<yatta>how do I associate files with py extension with python IDLE?
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10:54<pungi-man>hey everyone!
10:54<pungi-man>there are 522 persons but all are quiet!
10:55<memos>almost all ... hey
10:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
10:57<Kunda>Any recommendations of a text or ncurses based backup programs (that include rsync, and mysqldump wherein one can backup muliple mysql dbs to multiple locations) ?
10:58<memos>bacula maybe?
10:58<TobiX>memos: "1629.18 < memos> which is better?" - What were you referring to?
10:59<Kunda>memos, anything a little more command line like, hence 'ncurses' ?
11:01<dutchfish>Does anyone know if the hang with nagios and check_ntp_peer is solved in nagios from bpo for squeeze?
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11:07<dutchfish>this is the bug in upstream i meant
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11:09<Maulkin>dutchfish: Which upstream version was it fixed in?
11:10<dutchfish>Maulkin, no idee, i could not find it. If not i wil check it out, i was asking if someone has expirienced it too in stable.
11:11<Maulkin>dutchfish: Have a look in the BTS, presumeably it will have a bug if it's in there.
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11:13<dutchfish>Maulkin, not really
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11:14<dutchfish>Maulkin, unles it is related to #531716 (not sure)
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11:19<dutchfish>Maulkin, i will delve into it, if so, i write patch and report back. Thanks for info.
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11:21<dutchfish>Maulkin, i use dutch locale and utf-8 fyi
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11:26*memos will be back later
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11:28<dutchfish>Maulkin, it is indeed locale related, when switched to en_US utf-8, it does not segfault.
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11:30<Maulkin>dutchfish: Please file a bug :)
11:31<dutchfish>Maulkin, yes. I try to paych it too. Thanks.
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11:31<Maulkin>dutchfish: thanks!
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11:33<CQ>hello, who can help me out of a dependency clinch? I installed squeeze by accident where I wanted testing, and tried to dist-upgrade to wheezy and depends have problems. Worst case I can reinstall, but I'd rather fix it if possible to save time...
11:34<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
11:34<sney>but installing squeeze and upgrading is a standard way to install wheezy, so it should have been fine
11:36<CQ>here's one paste with the basics
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11:37<txt_file1>CQ: i think that reinstalling is faster then resolving dependencies
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11:38<CQ>txt_file1: can't I just force something and see what happens?
11:38<CQ>is ther a debian equivalent command to pastebinit?
11:38<sney>CQ: what if you do 'aptitude -f install'
11:39<txt_file1>the last time i tried a upgrade from squeze to wheezy i ended up with a broken system
11:39<berarma>CQ: it's important the complete dist-upgrade output
11:39<sney>debian has pastebinit, but if it's not installed already, you won't be able to until you have a working apt again
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11:39<berarma>CQ: uninstalling ure or libreoffice seems a better option
11:39*babilen recommends nopaste (/msg dpkg nopaste)
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11:40<CQ>berarma: when I try that I get the next set of errors in the paste...
11:40<sney>CQ: let aptitude try to fix things, then if that doesn't work try removing libreoffice
11:40<berarma>CQ: I said uninstall, not install
11:40<sney>CQ: when you run 'aptitude -f install', accept any options it offers to remove things. you can always install them again later.
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11:41<berarma>berarma: I'd uninstall any package giving problems until dist-upgrade works, it could be easier than a reinstall
11:41<CQ>berarma: I tried both...
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11:41<berarma>CQ: try and paste
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11:45<CQ>aptitude -f remove seems to have helped
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11:48<CQ> the other paste
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11:49<CQ>but its happily installing now
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12:00<AlexLikeRock>were can find drivers for a scaner ?
12:00<AlexLikeRock>on he official page of my scaner dont exist
12:00<AlexLikeRock>were can i go ?
12:01<berarma>AlexLikeRock: try with Debian then in the manufacturer's web
12:01<AlexLikeRock>on the official page of my scaner dont exist
12:01<babilen>Which scanner? Which official page? Have you tried (x)sane? ...
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12:02<AlexLikeRock>yes, i try with xsane and simple scan , dont detect
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12:03<AlexLikeRock>scaner "Ricoh aficio mp c2500" oficial page "" they have driver for a Window$ and MAC
12:03<AlexLikeRock>i can print but do not scan,
12:04<AlexLikeRock>itry by NETWORK and USB, and dont detec :-(
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12:08<babilen>Didn't you discuss this here yesterday already? Did you read ? You might also want to ask in #sane or contact Ricoh directly. might be of interest as well.
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12:10<babilen>How is the scanner connected? Is it plugged into USB of a computer with sane running on it? Is it merely attached to the network (how does scanning work now?) ...
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12:14<AlexLikeRock>yes , we talk o this yesterday, yer i read a lot,and doit modification to detec on network, but don work because i need a diferen driver for a scaner , thats way don detect on . Network, on chat IRC #sane no body there :-/
12:15<AlexLikeRock>o contact to RICOH , tell in i need driver for GNU-linux, its tell god; stop war on the word
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12:16<AlexLikeRock>they no mather about driver for me
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12:19<AlexLikeRock>only work the printer but no the scaner of my multifunctional
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12:20<CQ>AlexLikeRock: I solved the problem with a brother scanner by making a winXP virtual machine, connecting it to that, and then printing from anywhere and scanning via vnc within the machine to a shared drive
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12:20<txt_file1>AlexLikeRock: as hardware vendor i would not support a platform noone asks for
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12:23<AlexLikeRock>cq ; gooooood idea
12:24<CQ>with virtualbox it works great with the USB passthrough
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12:30<AlexLikeRock>txt_file1 ; you are wrong, the hardware vendor they dont support a GNU-linux , thats dont means "its the only way" , i ask because people of debian are more expert that me, and so , they now more tricks , then i dont now
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12:30<AlexLikeRock>for example ; cq telme a good idea, they make my solution
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12:33<AlexLikeRock>tanks every one for help me yesterday and today
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12:35<tiresias>hello, i have a problem connecting in ssh to a distant machine (the machine is under a freebox)
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12:37<retrospectacus>tiresias: ... ok, go on
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12:40<retrospectacus>*shrug* it's not there. Off, disconnected, or possibly a routing misconfiguration at the datacenter or somewhere in between.
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12:41<a414>Try ssh'ing to other remote machines to find out whether the problem is at your end or at the remote location
12:42<a414>You could also try installing tcptraceroute, then do tcptraceroute <public freebox ip> 22
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12:45<tiresias>a414, and what to do with the output of tcptraceroute?
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12:50<retrospectacus>tiresias: well it should tell you where the packets are getting lost. It's not much use to you or us (unless it is a routing issue you can fix); you could give it to the freebox administrator when you complain that it's inaccessible
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12:56<saleem>hi, is an official recognized and regularly synchronized mirror for debian ?
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12:57<retrospectacus>saleem: according to, no, but is
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12:58<retrospectacus>saleem: it could well be perfectly good though
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12:58<saleem>thank you retrospectacus , it find it reasonably faster than heanet but i will also check the one you mentioned
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13:02<retrospectacus>saleem: oh and
13:02<retrospectacus>$ host
13:02<retrospectacus> is an alias for
13:02<retrospectacus>so yes it is official
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13:03<saleem>oh :)
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13:05<retrospectacus>though it would be more correct to have in sources.list in case they change that alias
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13:06<saleem>adding a updates repository for wheezy would be too early if im not wrong or can i add it ?
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13:07<retrospectacus>saleem: no updates until it's released
13:07<retrospectacus>not sure how adding a line for it will go
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13:09<saleem>right : i guess someone has to mention this to people, because if you try to generate sources list for your debian with their tool it will offer you updates even for testing as well
13:09<retrospectacus>go right ahead
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13:10<themill>please don't use that site... it's hideous
13:11<saleem>thank you themill , thats why i wanted to double check here
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13:13<abrotman>and ugly!
13:14<retrospectacus>yeah saleem tell them that too
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13:14<saleem>ok retrospectacus : i will send them an email
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13:16<CQ>any idea where the smbmount command comes from? Should be smbfs, but that has no installation candidate, and its not in cifs-utils...
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13:17<retrospectacus>smbfs: /usr/bin/smbmount
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13:17<CQ>retro but what package?
13:17<CQ>under wheezy
13:18<retrospectacus>smbfs. it's not in wheezy
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13:18<CQ>how do I find out why not?
13:18<dpkg>smbfs is the Linux <SMB> virtual filesystem driver. Unmaintained, disabled in Debian kernel images since Linux 2.6.24, moved to staging at 2.6.37 and removed from mainline at 2.6.39. Superseded by the cifs driver, ask me about <cifs>. The Debian smbfs package provides utilities for mounting and unmounting CIFS network shares, these are wrappers for cifs-utils compatibility since Squeeze.
13:18<retrospectacus>ask dpkg about cifs
13:19<CQ>I installed cifs-utils but no smbmount there
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13:19<retrospectacus>I don't know... try #debian-next the wheezy channel
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13:20<retrospectacus>cifs-utils provides /sbin/mount.cifs
13:20<retrospectacus>in squeeze anyway
13:20<CQ>retrospectacus: then I probably need to fstab mount it instead of with smbmount
13:21<abrotman>CQ: aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update ;apt-file search smbmount
13:21<retrospectacus>you can probably just use "mount -t cifs ... ..."
13:21<retrospectacus>I've always just used nautilus, and type smb://host/ in the url bar
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13:35<CQ>abrotman: its in teh manpages-zh, but nowhere else :)
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13:42<edrz>where is the selection of changelog entries displayed during aptitude full-upgrade specified?
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13:49<edrz>oh. i see. after reading I see that this is displayed by apt-listchanges and it mails root for later review.
13:49<edrz>so, like, nm.
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13:51<abrotman>CQ: a normal user can run mount
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14:02<CQ>abrotman: oh? didn't know that...
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14:04<edrz>there is a sectin in man mount "The non-superuser mounts."
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14:04<edrz>basically, include "user" in mount options
14:04<abrotman>not exactly what i meant
14:05<edrz>abrotman: what exactly then? sudo?
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14:05<abrotman>such as a normal user can 'mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 ~/mymount/
14:06<abrotman>with nothing in the fstab
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14:07<edrz>there is also pmount for removeable devices. probably not relevant here, though.
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14:19<grammoboy>what is the key to get the Grub displayed?
14:19<grammoboy>I set it on autoboot, but having a problem with gdm3 or something
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14:20<grammoboy>can't do anything with it and want to start the fallsafe
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14:24<grammoboy>how do I enter the grub menu
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14:26<Franki>I'm thinking about moving /usr/local on my system to /local. This is not specified by the FHS, but doesn't seem to be forbidden either. Is there any good reason not to do it?
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14:28<grammoboy>on Ubuntu it's Esc, but that doesn't work on Debian?
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14:30<sney_>I think it's one of the F keys
14:30<sney_>I don't use the autoboot function so I don't know which one offhand
14:31<sney_>oh it's shift I think
14:31<Miau>What's the best way to go about defining default applications for opening images/RARs/etc. from the Firefox download menu?
14:31<grammoboy>it's ok that Debian ruins my login after upgrade, but at least give me a chance to fix it :)
14:31<grammoboy>sney, shift only?
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14:32<grammoboy>I'll try, thx
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14:32<SynrG>Miau: i don't know about 'best'. ideally, you should only have to do this from one place. whether that's what in practice works, i don't know.
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14:33<Miau>SynrG: I don't know how to do it at all.
14:33<SynrG>obviously it is not ideal to have the application itself choose
14:33<Miau>I don't have an understanding of how applications associate filetypes with applications.
14:33<SynrG>as your choices then won't be shared with other apps
14:33<SynrG>xdg-open is an attempt at standardization
14:34<Miau>Firefox uses Wine IE to open images right now.
14:34<Franki>why aren't externel USB hard disks not /sys/block/*/removable == 1 ?
14:34<SynrG>but i think gnome & kde, at least, each have their own ideas about how to associate file types. and as you noted, firefox does as well
14:34<Miau>No idea why.
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14:34<Franki>when externel USB pen drives are?
14:34<SynrG>Miau: does any firefox config menu show that association?
14:35<Franki>I think this is a kernel thing. Anyone from debian linux kernel here?
14:35<Miau>SynrG: None mentioning WINE.
14:35<Miau>So I assumed it was getting it from somewhere else.
14:35<SynrG>Franki: pretty sure that's deliberate
14:36<Franki>SynrG: I'm pretty sure as well, but htis is bad, since that external USB HDD actually IS removable :(
14:36<SynrG>Franki: it would not be a kernel thing. more likely a udev thing
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14:37<SynrG>Miau: so, does 'xdg-open blah.jpg' open in Wine IE?
14:37<Franki>SynrG: really? does udev actually create entries in /sys/block/*, or doesn't this happen by loading a module?
14:37<SynrG>oh, hmm
14:37<Miau>SynrG: Yes.
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14:38<Miau>SynrG: Sorry, I assumed xdg-open was some recommendation, I didn't realise it came with Debian (didn't think to check -- I'm silly) -- thanks.
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14:38<Miau>I'll read up on configuring it.
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14:38<SynrG>Miau: see xdg-mime man page
14:39<Miau>Alright. Thanks again. :)
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14:40<Franki>SynrG: I searched the web to see if there is a commentary by some kernel dude, because I too thought there may be a reason. But the more I think of it, the weirder this behavior gets.
14:40<grammoboy>damn shift doesn't work
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14:41<Franki>And currently, I have a script that does something on all removable devices, but for the above mentioned reason, skips external USB hard drives grrrr
14:41<SynrG>Franki: let me rephrase that. i think you can change how it's handled (e.g. ignore removable for this device) with custom udev rules :)
14:41<SynrG>'removable' seems to have some special meaning other than the ordinary sense of the word
14:41<grammoboy>how do I enter grub?
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14:42<Franki>SynrG: I think I just have to dig into some more linux/udev docs
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14:57<Franki>SynrG: OK, I need to check for hotpluggable == 1 also. Removable just means device can disapear without device node getting removed.
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15:03<edrz>at some point several years ago several people recommended switching from aptitude to apt because dependency resolution was working better.
15:03<edrz>i never switched.
15:04<edrz>in wheezy is that true (assuming it actually was way back when)
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15:07<edrz>or is it a matter of interpretation/preference/what-have-you?
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15:12<Franki>I like to move my /usr/local stuff to /local, cause some self-made early boot stuff needs to access /usr/local, which is bad since we can't know whether /usr is available at this point
15:12<Franki>/usr/local is excempt from package management alltogether, however, DFSG compatible applications may still access it AFAIK, for example, mplayer and some ladspa application do that.
15:12<Franki>Are there other reasons why this may be a bad idea?
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15:15<ivo888>i install secure-delete and swapspace, but i can`t start them :(
15:15<ivo888>how to fix this?
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15:19<Franki>what really pisses me off is that devmapper needs UID == 0 for devices owned by UID != 0. I know, it's in the todo list
15:19<Franki>but not anytime soon
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15:23<Franki>I want to build custom packages the debian way. where should I put custom compiler/assembler/linker options, so that they become the default for every built?
15:23<Franki>When doing it the non-debian way, it's in /etc/
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15:30<ansgar>Franki: dpkg-buildflags(1)?
15:30<sney_>Franki: debian/rules
15:31<Franki>ansgar: thanks
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15:32<Franki>sney_: yes, but isn't debian/rules custom to every package?
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15:40<Franki>ansgar: does this also apply to kernel builds? or does make-kpkg have special kinkiness?
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15:42<ansgar>Franki: That applied to packages that use dpkg-buildflags (eg. most packages using debhelper compat level 9). I have no idea about make-kpkg.
15:42<ziggyzZz>ok i am back... can anyone help me get my two video cards to work together on debian squeeze
15:42<ziggyzZz>i have ATI and nVidia
15:43<Franki>ansgar: it's not mentioned in man make-kpkg. so I don't know. I will have to try
15:43<ziggyzZz>lspci shows both cards are detected... but the display on nVidia is not working
15:43<sney_>Franki: make-kpkg is deprecated, make deb-pkg is the standard since vanilla kernel sources started including a debian makefile target
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15:43<sney_>!tell Franki about kernel handbook
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15:44<Franki>sney_: didn't know that
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15:45<sney_>it seems hardly anyone does, I think the change came around the same time as the squeeze release
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15:46<sney_>Franki: anyway, read the kernel handbook and the new maintainer's guide and you'll know more about debian packaging than most people here
15:46<Dante9vcgd6234>how i can test that my nick is registered?
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15:47<ziggyzZz>i am setting it up on debian squeeze
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15:47<ziggyzZz>i cant find any faq on this... isnt this very common...
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15:49<sney_>ziggyzZz: it's pretty uncommon actually
15:49<sney_>ziggyzZz: most multi-monitor setups use 1 video card with multiple outputs, and even those are rare now that everyone has huge widescreen displays
15:49<ziggyzZz>sney_: having two video cards is uncommon?
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15:50<ziggyzZz>well the problem is i have two monitors running fine on ATI...
15:50<ziggyzZz>the third monitor goes on nVidia
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15:51<ziggyzZz>it works if i set system bios to nvidia as primary
15:51<ziggyzZz>but then ATI display doesnt come up
15:52<ziggyzZz>xorg.conf is no longer used as of squeeze
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15:52<ziggyzZz>but if i create a minimal xorg.conf using what little info is out there, i get no new behavior
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15:53<cybersphinx>ziggyzZz: I think you can only run two different X servers on the two cards, not one that speaks to them both. And then you probably need a xorg.conf for at least one of them to force the video driver that doesn't get detected by default.
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15:55<ziggyzZz>hmmm... any steps you may have that i can follow?
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15:57<vezult>ziggyzZz as far as I know, you can't have a single desktop with multiple video cards, except using the non-free nvidia driver
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15:58<vezult>but you can configure xorg to use two different video cards
15:58<vezult>you just have to define separate screens
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15:59<ziggyzZz>i was able to generate a xorg.conf that contains these details... but still no jou
16:00<vezult>hmm. come to think of it...I was using two ati cards.
16:00<ziggyzZz>yeh i wish i had both ATI
16:00<ziggyzZz>that would have worked
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16:01<ziggyzZz>hey how do i test xorg.conf without rebooting
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16:01<toni_>is there somone using squeeze + gnome + openoffice ?
16:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:02<retrospectacus>ziggyzZz: restart the DM (/etc/init.d/gdm restart or so)
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16:02<cybersphinx>ziggyzZz: is what I used about a decade ago for two Matrox cards. No idea how helpful it is, and if it works with several video drivers.
16:03<ziggyzZz>thanks checking
16:03<toni_>I have a problem with openffice
16:04<toni_>in squeeze
16:04<toni_>in tool option
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16:04<toni_>I set to show icons in menu
16:04<toni_>and they appear
16:04<toni_>but when I restart openoffice they are not shown
16:04<toni_>anyone with the same problem??
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16:06<toni_>I have the same problem on another pc
16:06<toni_>with squeeze and openoffice
16:06<toni_>I don't know how to check
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16:07*devil has not seen openoffice since libre office is in debian
16:08<toni_>in squeeze there's openoffice
16:08<toni_>not libreoffice
16:08*devil never used stable
16:09<retrospectacus>I still have OO on this machine, don't have that problem though.
16:09<toni_>have you set show icons in menu?
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16:10<retrospectacus>yes, or not to, and exit and start it again, the setting stays
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16:11<toni_>I have also another problem with openoffice
16:11<toni_>if I set: start when computer starts
16:12<toni_>(show the icon in icontray)
16:12<toni_>then if I try to reboot, I can't
16:12<toni_>I have to close it first
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16:36<alessio>di che parlate?
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16:37<daemonkeeper>Che cosa pensi?
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16:38<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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17:00<canaima>hola como estas
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17:01<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:01<canaima>hola como estas
17:02<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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17:02<Franki>thanks for all the fish
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17:03<grammoboy>hm I can't get X working
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17:03<Johnoo>hi guys i'd like to ask you my english is not so good but can somebode help me to improve gnome version 2.3 > 3.4 ?
17:03<grammoboy>how do I find the error messages during boot?
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17:03<canaima>hola como esta
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17:04<Apollo>canaima: ebglish please
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17:04<Sicelo>grammoboy: you also have /var/log/Xorg.0.log
17:04<ziggyzZz>hi... can you guyz verify my xorg.conf file for completeness or misconfiguration, i pasted it at:
17:04<sergiu>please,I need help in configuring a dns
17:05<canaima>tiene facebook
17:05<Apollo>canaima: english, do you speak it
17:05<canaima>es mio es evelio jose
17:05<Apollo>sergiu: whats the problem?
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17:06<Apollo>!ops canaima
17:06<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: apollo complains about: canaima
17:06<alienbox>boa noite
17:06<sergiu>apollo:I am loosing myself in this stuff to be honest
17:07<Apollo>just ask, and we'll see what we can do
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17:07<sergiu>I installed an isp config3 on debian 6.5.0
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17:07<sergiu>I configured zones with the wizard
17:08<sergiu>I opened port 53 on the firewall
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17:08<sergiu>but dig shows bad results
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17:08<Apollo>thank you Myon
17:08<sergiu>I also need to sync a secondary afraid dns and it's not syncing
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17:09<Apollo>sergiu: hmm, could you post your zone file you're having problems with?
17:10<ziggyzZz>hi... can you guyz verify my xorg.conf file for completeness or misconfiguration, i pasted it at:
17:12<sergiu>apollo:I have as a zone on my home dns
17:12<sergiu>recently configured
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17:13<sergiu>wizard makes the A records MX records SOA and so on
17:13<Apollo>did you configure your domainhost to have the correct servers?
17:13<sergiu>I went to my domain registrar and changed ns's
17:14<sergiu>I guess so
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17:15<Apollo>which dns do you have installed?
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17:16<ziggyzZz>anyone responding to: hi... can you guyz verify my xorg.conf file for completeness or misconfiguration, i pasted it at:
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17:18<sney_>ziggyzZz: have you tried just using it?
17:18<devil>ziggyzZz: what is your reason to have one at all?
17:18<ziggyzZz>yes my screens go blank.
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17:19<ziggyzZz>the reason... is that i am trying to get ATI and nVidia to work.... ATI works, nVidia detected but doesnt display on my third monitor
17:20<ziggyzZz>ATI using two monitors works fine.
17:20<ziggyzZz>nVidia works if i set it as primary video device in BIOS but then ATI stops working
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17:21<devil>hm, no idea if that setup works at all. did it ever?
17:21<ziggyzZz>nope.. thats why i had to generate this xorg.conf file as some suggest its needed if we have more than one card
17:22<ziggyzZz>lspci shows the devices are detected just fine
17:22<ompaul>usually someone with more than one card has identical cards
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17:22<ziggyzZz>well.. i did not have that choice...
17:22<sney_>ziggyzZz: well, using 'nv' as the nvidia driver is wrong, but the rest of it looks fairly kosher
17:23<ziggyzZz>ok what should nv be replaced with for nVidia
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17:23<sney_>nouveau at least
17:24<sney_>nvidia if you have the non-free one
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17:24<ziggyzZz>k thanks thats probably why it didnt work... checking now.
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17:30<nome>what you preferefor server? what is better? when i can login as root? or by in sudo only?
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17:31<msergiu80>apollo:sorry, I lost connection
17:31<nome>in expert install must choice... do I want can log as root? or have only sudo account
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17:31<nome>so what you prefere for server?
17:32<sney_>nome: please don't crosspost the same question in multiple channels
17:32<nome>what is better in your opinion?
17:32<sney_>nome: see answer in the other channel where you asked
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17:33<nome>hmm so when i ask question on debian-next for example you see it on debian chanell to?
17:33<sney_>nome: no, they are separate channels, but with most of the same people in them
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17:33<nome>hmm ok sorry.
17:34<msergiu80>need help in configuring a home dns please
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17:35<a414>msergiu80: Please ask. Which DNS server did you install? Your machine does not appear to reply to DNS packets right now.
17:35<gnufan>msergiu80: apollo got as far as asking what dns server you are using. I see no response to dns queries on so presumably is either isn't running or the firewall is in the way still.
17:36<msergiu80>port 53 on is open
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17:37<msergiu80>it;s squeeze with bind and isp config 3
17:37<a414>What do you mean "is open"? What did you use to open it? Do you have a corresponding rule for both incoming and outgoing packets?
17:38<msergiu80>port forwarding and corresponding rule , positive
17:38<gnufan>msergiu80: does it answer requests locally (dig @localhost ...), does "netstat -anp" show named listening of port 53
17:38<msergiu80>let me try it fast
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17:40<Johnoo>hy anybody to help to upgrade gnome 2.3 > 3.4 ???
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17:40<retrospectacus>!tell Johnoo about bat
17:40<msergiu80>gnufan : dig @localhost shows SERVFAIL
17:41<a414>So show us your bind config ;)
17:41<gnufan>msergiu80: or just check it with "named-checkconf" ;)
17:41<ziggyzZz>success :) thanks sney the nvidia driver was the issue... so now i have three displays live... however ATI is using two monitors and they both are showing as mirror image, how do i change that to not be same image on both monitors
17:41<retrospectacus>Johnoo: don't be sorry, just make a page on (read what dpkg said about bat) and just ask, don't ask if anyone can help etc.
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17:42<dutchfish>oops sorry wrong channel
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17:42<Johnoo>retrospectacus, ok ok good to know
17:42<abrotman>Johnoo: you'd have to upgrade your box to wheezy
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17:44<Johnoo>abrotman, hmm is wheezy stable as 6.04
17:44<msergiu80>named-checkconf doesn't return nothing
17:44<gnufan>msergiu80: hmm I don't get servfail remotely - so yes some sort of listening issue or firewall. Possibly if it is still a recursive server it is getting SERVFAIL as it tries to answer things.... So it may be the config is fine it just isn't authoritative.
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17:44<abrotman>Johnoo: no
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17:45<msergiu80>do you get any answer remotely?
17:45<a414>msergiu80: no, timeout
17:45<Johnoo>abrotman, that's the reason why i need new gnome in squeez
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17:45<retrospectacus>Johnoo: 6.0.4 is squeeze, it has gnome 2.30 - you can get 3.4 by upgrading to wheezy (7) (no you cannot get 3.4 on squeeze)
17:46<grammoboy>where can I reread the error message during boot??
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17:46<a414>msergiu80: tcpdump -npA -i yournetworkinterface port 53, then check from the outside?
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17:46<Johnoo>retrospectacus, that means i can not have new gnome in squeeze ? (sorry for asking my english isn't so good)
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17:47<ziggyzZz>success :) thanks sney the nvidia driver was the issue... so now i have three displays live... however ATI is using two monitors and they both are showing as mirror image, how do i change that to not be same image on both monitors
17:47<abrotman>Johnoo: i think you didn't read what i typed
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17:49<Johnoo>abrotman, hmm you mean something where is repositories ?
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17:50<abrotman>Johnoo: do you speak another language besides slovak ?
17:50<Johnoo>abrotman, i read it but i'm newbie no only slovak and little bit english
17:50<abrotman>!tell Johnoo about squeeze->wheezy
17:50<msergiu80>a414: please try a dig
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17:50<retrospectacus>Johnoo: squeeze is *stable* - it doesn't have brand-new unstable software like gnome 3.4
17:51<retrospectacus>Johnoo: if you are willing to have a more unstable system, you may upgrade to wheezy using the directions dpkg just said to you
17:51<abrotman>there were a few slovak people here the other day
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17:52<grammoboy>mptctl module missing?1
17:52<a414>msergiu80: Connection timed out, two attempts. Do you see them in tcpdump?
17:52<msergiu80>absolutely nothing
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17:52<msergiu80>it;s pfsense
17:52<msergiu80>I am going in now
17:52<a414>Then your pfsense appliance is not forwarding as it should, yes. :)
17:53<Johnoo>ok guys i understand gnome is not problem for me but i just dont like these look and i dont know how to change look other way
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17:53<gnufan>a414: does that mean it was a bsd problem ;)
17:53<msergiu80>pfsense had pfsense-dns package
17:53<msergiu80>probably occupying the port no?
17:53<msergiu80>I am uninstalling
17:54<retrospectacus>Johnoo: just use the "Appearance" preference menu screen
17:55<gnufan>Johnoo: you can theme gnome in Squeeze - just install the themes if not there - what don't you like. Mine always looked very OSX which people though was weird but hey it didn't work like OSX so that was fine by me ;)
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17:55<dragon>can any one help me about netflix on lubuntu ? ?? ?
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17:55<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc dragon
17:55<dpkg>dragon: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
17:55<Johnoo>ups sorry i'm terrible now is it much better but i like transparent but i think i have to more googling or ?
17:55<grammoboy>I get error messages on boot but it's way to fast to read!!!
17:55<dragon>thank u
17:56<msergiu80>I uninstalled pfsense dns and suddenly I get requests on tcpdump :)
17:56<msergiu80>can you please dig now?
17:56<a414>Great! :) But I'm still getting nothing but timeouts. :(
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17:57<dragon>ok i guess im stuck in here.... my chat room panel jus disa pared on me..... an i don kno how to get it back so i can switch rooms
17:57<msergiu80>I see the timeouts I guess
17:57<Johnoo>gnufan, thx but i don't know where to find it but i think i have to more google
17:58<Johnoo>more use google
17:58<gnufan>msergiu80: always likely to be more than one issue.
17:58<retrospectacus>grammoboy: try "dmesg|less"
17:58<Johnoo>retrospectacus, thank you
17:58<Johnoo>abrotman, thank you
17:59<grammoboy>retrospectacus, why don't I see the same error message there?
17:59<grammoboy>retrospectacus, it's something with I as user can't understand
17:59<gnufan>Johnoo: If you can be specific on what you want it to look like someone can probably help. But yes Google will help - GNOME has a big website dedicate to look and artwork - although I prefer to get my themes and the like from Debian repositories.
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18:00<retrospectacus>grammoboy: /msg dpkg bootlog
18:00<retrospectacus>that might work better for ya
18:00<Johnoo>gnufan, you're right me too i like this system of installing ...
18:02<dragon>i need some help please.... ? im stuck in this room, i went to switch to another room, an then that panel dissapared on me.... Any Help ?
18:03<gnufan>Johnoo: and this week I upgraded a box to wheezy and got a theme related issue - if I was using third party theme it would like get confusing and have been harder to report. On the other hand some folk really like to customize their desktop a lot - although they'll probably be happier with KDE.
18:03<emss>dragon you are talking about irc client? room = channel btw :)
18:03<Aleric2>THE panel disappeared...
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18:04<dragon>on on here in xchat
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18:05<Johnoo>gnufan, you're right but after i change appereance to dark grey i like it just i need compiz fusion and cube etc but i have installed it but i don't know where to configurate it
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18:05<dragon>i was tryin to switch to tha ubuntu room an tha palen to tha right dissapared
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18:05<Aleric>dragon: if there are no other #channel tabs at the bottom, you're detached. Press control+i
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18:07<dragon>well that was not there b4.... it was off to tha right
18:07<Aleric>Ctrl-I toggles, so if that is not what you want, press it again.
18:07<gnufan>Johnoo: you mistake me for someone with a decent graphics card :(
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18:08<Aleric>My channel buttons are at the bottom.. guess you can configure that.
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18:09<Johnoo>gnufan, mistake ? i don't understand. i had problem with graphic (integrated radeon onboard ) and debian is only one linux which is running on my pc but if look of it will be good i'll be satisfied
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18:12<Johnoo>where i change fonts in debian
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18:13<Johnoo>sorry now i know
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18:17<grammoboy>I screwed my system, is there a way to get the / settings back to default?
18:18<devil>grammoboy: heh
18:18<Aleric>What are / settings?
18:19<grammoboy>ok an debian updated screwed my system and then I did the rest
18:19<devil>grammoboy: you gotta be precise
18:19<retrospectacus>all we can say about that is "reinstall"
18:20<retrospectacus>but if we knew more, maybe it's a simple fix
18:20<Aleric>It most likely is... if I have a huge problem myself, I usually spend 10 hours looking for info - and then fix it in a minute.
18:21<Aleric>Although you can devide problem into two at least: 1) What is wrong, 2) How can I fix it?
18:21<Aleric>We can only help with 2...
18:22<Aleric>For noobs they force people to type in stuff like "What are you doing? What happens then? What did you expect to happen?"
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18:24<miguel>hello, how to repair windows partition from linux??
18:24<Aleric>Gparted ?
18:24<miguel>can it repair¿?
18:24<Aleric>Nah, I don't know anything about windows.
18:25<Aleric>probably not
18:25<miguel>bat it is a ...comand
18:25<miguel>or somthing
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18:26<miguel>do you know?
18:26<Aleric>>apt-file search ntfsck
18:26<Aleric>ntfs-3g: /bin/ntfsck
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18:28<miguel>gparted can do it
18:28<miguel>im traying
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18:28<miguel>must reboot
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18:29<retrospectacus>test failed
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18:30<blueberry>nope, its positive
18:31<grammoboy>ok at least it boots again
18:31<grammoboy>but when I arrive at gdm3 I get nothing
18:31<grammoboy>other then a cursor left in the upper corner of the screen
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18:32<grammoboy>ctr alt f1 gives me not terminal
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18:32<grammoboy>I had autologin in gdm
18:32<Aleric>Start with turning that off...
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18:32<Aleric>Don't you have a commandline anywhere?
18:33<grammoboy>but after update today it gives me this strange stuff
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18:33<Aleric>Isn't there a rescue or fail-safe or maintenance boot option from the grub boot menu?
18:34<grammoboy>I'll try that now
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18:35<grammoboy>hm maybe I should give my root ww for maintainance
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18:36<grammoboy>ok root console
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18:36*xfire78xx sera :)
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18:37<grammoboy>any tips how to go on?
18:37<Aleric>grammoboy: service gdm3 stop
18:37<Aleric>as root
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18:37<Johnoo>my problem is: i changed in preferences of Iceweasel fonts reset browser and look is same
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18:37<Johnoo>i need to change fonts in iceweasel
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18:38<grammoboy>Aleric, ok]
18:38<Aleric>grammoboy: then look around a bit if things look sane... I guess it does. So, only your GUI is broken. So, then reboot and now you should get a terminal as non-root.
18:39*grammoboy reboot
18:39*grammoboy boots normal kernel
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18:40*grammoboy gets the upper cursor
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18:40*grammoboy get a black screen without cursor
18:40*grammoboy hits enter
18:40*grammoboy hits ctrl-d
18:40*grammoboy hits ctr alt f1
18:41*grammoboy and again
18:41*grammoboy and again
18:41<grammoboy>ok didn't solve anything
18:41<Aleric>It's the same? Then it didn't even reach gdm3 yet, now did it?
18:41<grammoboy>it didn't
18:41<Aleric>Go back to maintenance and look in syslog
18:42<grammoboy>thx for your help
18:42*grammoboy root console
18:43<gnufan>Johnoo: you do the font within a web page in the "Appearance" settings in Iceweasel - the GNOME fonts should change the size of the menus and such like.
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18:43<gnufan>Johnoo: edit - preferences - content
18:44<Aleric>grammoboy: So, you get a grub menu - you boot the normal kernel and it starts to print stuff no? It get past mounting disks and configuring network, all the way to starting a GUI and then you get a black screen?
18:44<Johnoo>gnufan, i'm in content
18:44<Johnoo>and default font changed to bitstream as i wanna
18:45<Johnoo>i click to advanced
18:45<grammoboy>Aleric, yes, but that gui isn't started
18:45<Aleric>Maybe another gui is started?
18:45<Johnoo>gnufan, advanced
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18:48<grammoboy>udevd[270] specified use usbmux unknown
18:48<Johnoo>gnufan, i was written something to you in new dialog
18:49<gnufan>Johnoo: not sure I understand what the question is.
18:50<Johnoo>gnufan, i changed fonts how i know but nothing's changed on browser
18:50<Johnoo>gnufan, because
18:50<Johnoo>gnufan, i can't change porporitonal and serif
18:50<retrospectacus>websites define their own fonts in html, you don't usually control that
18:51<Johnoo>retrospectacus, google also ?
18:51<Aleric>You can tell the browser to use your own fonts
18:52<grammoboy>Aleric, in syslog, a lot of networkmanager messages, dbus, modem-manager could not acquire the org.freedesktop.modemmanager service ...
18:52<Johnoo>Aleric, how ? gnufan gave me tutorial and that i used but googlo didn't change
18:53<retrospectacus>why would you? Normally you'd want to view the site the way the designer intended
18:53<Johnoo>retrospectacus, give me a sec
18:55<Aleric>grammoboy: Well, I don't know from here.. but since you can login in maintenance mode, there is something started extra that if you turn that off will give you a console. So, look for that. Turn it all off until you found it :p.. then start that from the command line; way easier to see what is wrong then.
18:55<Aleric>My guess is that X doesn't start, or hangs.
18:56<Johnoo>retrospectacus, hmm i dont like font used on my fb messages or some google results i think that's changed by browser o by linux
18:56<Aleric>So you should have a lot of error messages in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
18:56<gnufan>I usually change the default fonts - but only so I could spot bits in web pages that forget to specify the font - I use to force browser to enforce a minimum size restriction but it annoyingly breaks too much and it is easier to zoom pages these days.
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18:57<Aleric>grammoboy: There is another possiblity
18:57<grammoboy>WW some fonts dir doesn't exist
18:57<Johnoo>retrospectacus, aha that is monospace
18:58<Aleric>grammoboy: It works, but it uses another output of your video card... if you have another DVI plug, try that one.
18:58<Aleric>What you see is typical for a video output that is not used.
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18:59<Johnoo>if i install new debian to my pc next to win 7 will be problem to
18:59<Johnoo>restore grub after i install new win 7 ?
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19:00<grammoboy>Aleric, I've another video output, but that's not working 'no video input' says the hardware
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19:01<Johnoo>Aleric, i know i know but i will need reinstall 7 will be it problem to my debian ?
19:01<grammoboy>but before the updates it just worked :/
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19:02<Aleric>Johnoo: I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me. However, it seems to me that windows will do no more than over write the master boot record.. So, if you put that back afterwards then things should work again.
19:02<retrospectacus>yes. You can /msg dpkg fixmbr to learn how to fix that Johnoo
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19:04<grammoboy>and then your pc is unusable after an update
19:04<grammoboy>cries out loud
19:04<Aleric>grammoboy: You can fix it
19:05<Aleric>Just take the time
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19:05<retrospectacus>things like that happen when you choose to run the testing suite
19:06<Aleric>I've been in situations where I couldn't even boot anymore at all, corrupted partition tables, you name it... it's just a matter of take little steps and getting further and further - in the end everything was always still there, just waiting till you fixed things. It's only a matter of time. Consider it a nice puzzle.
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19:08<Johnoo>ok thx guys i'm going to sleep
19:08<grammoboy>Aleric, what should I put off? services?
19:08<grammoboy>or hardware
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19:08<Aleric>Everything that makes the two boot options different.
19:08<Aleric>nah, nothing wrong with the hardware
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19:12<Aleric>reminds me of that time that I had a job and had hacked the companies server so I could login from home and use it for hobby stuff without that that was visible (ie, ps didn't show my processes and who didn't list my name etc)... I'd had a warning before from the boss, so it I really couldn't ask for help when I screwed something up... and what did I do? I accidently did chmod 400 / or something like that... making EVERY command fail tha
19:12<Aleric>t needed to load libc...
19:12<Aleric>And I had to fix that remotely! lol
19:12<Guest3966>Ive just finished installing Debian Beta and after booting my screen flickers and I cant see anything. What drivers the installer installs? I think those are the problem .. :(
19:13<devil>Debian Beta?
19:13<Aleric>... and believe it or not, I managed to fix it :)
19:13<devil>Guest3966: what graphics card?
19:14<Guest3966>Radeon HD 3600
19:14<grammoboy>mptctl module missing
19:14<devil>Guest3966: add contrib non-free to your sources.list entry and install linux-firmware-nonfree
19:14<sney_>devil: presumably the wheezy beta installer
19:14<sney_>and that's firmware-linux-nonfree
19:15<devil>sney_: tha's my guess, but I like to make sure
19:15<devil>argh, right
19:15<Guest3966>here is what I get
19:15<devil>Guest3966: firmware-linux-nonfree
19:15<devil>Guest3966: you can do what i said in a terminal
19:15<sney_>Guest3966: do you see text boot messages before it gets to this point
19:16<Guest3966>yes .. while the resolution is the same as grub I can see all the messages
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19:16<sney_>ok, you can select the rescue mode and install the firmware package then
19:16<Guest3966>as soon as it changes to native, I only see flickering colors and stuff like that
19:16<Guest3966>rescue mode does the same thing
19:16<devil>Guest3966: does alt-ctrl-f1 take you to a terminal?
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19:17<Guest3966>yeah, I tried to blindly install fglrx drivers but it didnt help
19:17<Guest3966>I dont see the terminal cause it all running in native resolution 1440*900
19:17<Guest3966>and it flickers
19:18<grammoboy>invoke-rc.d: initiscript dbus, action 'reload' failed
19:18<grammoboy>failed ot connect to sockes /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: no such file or dir
19:19<Aleric>I wonder if it makes sense to create a swap partition for my new PC that has 32GB of ram.
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19:19<Guest3966>yeah LOL
19:20<Jzebus> I wouldn't bother
19:20<Jzebus>Unless you really mean to use all 32GB
19:21<Aleric>Unlikely.. more like 16 GB max :p
19:21<Jzebus>don't bother
19:21<Guest3966>I want 256 GB of RAM
19:21<Jzebus>I want 1TB but I think I'll have to wait another decade
19:21<Guest3966>640k is enough for me
19:22<Aleric>I want to do some parallel development for linux and windows ... I'd like to run windows in VM, but not sure if that is going to work for accelerated graphical applications?
19:23<Aleric>I better does work though, cause then I didn't get 8 cores and 32 GB for nothing
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19:23<Jzebus>You'll have to study a bit Aleric -- from what I see I get acceleration but true hardware acceleration does not work
19:24<Aleric>dual boat is nothing for me :/
19:24<Nemoder>I think this is the closest thing to it but it's still a work in progress
19:25<Aleric>but I get nuts being dependent on others for the windows parts... they take forever to do something and then I have to wait :/
19:25<Guest3966> can I get into my debian system??? :D now I turn on the computer and after debian boots up the screen flickers ... I dont see anything :D console not working ..
19:26<Jzebus>I tried PCIE pass-through but I think it needs exclusive use of the graphics card (obvious really I suppose)
19:26<gnufan>Aleric: it use to make sense to add swap larger than RAM for kernel dumps and hibernate. The core dump can go elsewhere now I think. Not sure about hibernate....
19:27<Nemoder>Guest3966: is this a laptop?
19:27<retrospectacus>Guest3966: ssh? another monitor?
19:27<Guest3966>I was running virtual machine on ubuntu ... then my RAM wasnt enough and Swap was used but it all stuck my computer so I had to restart and lost my data ... since that time I never used swap again :D
19:28*grammoboy night
19:28<Guest3966>another monitor?? I dont have any other monitor :D
19:28<Guest3966>ssh .. I am not sure if I can use it ....
19:28<Jzebus>oh, sorry, yes, you need swap to hibernate
19:28<grammoboy>audit: *NO_ daemon at audit_pid=0
19:29<grammoboy>Aleric, any idea?
19:29<Aleric>Is that THE error?
19:29<Aleric>Seems unlikely...
19:30<grammoboy>it bumbs up after watching the black screen for a while
19:30<grammoboy>that is what I get instead of gdm so to say
19:31<Aleric>At the very least you could time when you boot, when it fails and then find back where the boot starts, sync the logged time/date with what your watch said that you booted and then find back the second where it did hang.
19:31*grammoboy night
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19:41<Guest3966>anyway I cant understand why clean installation of wheezy (multiple times tried alpha, beta...) never worked for this PC :(
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19:46<devil>Guest3966: because wheezy is testing?
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19:49<Guest3966>haha but still it should at least install and work on PC :D without using alternate OS to fix the issues
19:50<Jzebus>No OS works on every machine on the first install
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19:53<Guest3966>OK, it starts the boot process but then all I can see is a flickering screen :) nice OS!!! :D
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19:54<Guest3966>hmm ... can I be sure that stable release of wheezy will work on my PC??? I really want to use debian .. but Id like something rolling release like arch linux but using .deb packages...
19:55<Jzebus>you can never be sure it will work
19:55<Jzebus>there are too many variables
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20:04<devil>hm, this guy seems to not understand the nsatue of testing
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20:26<xorxos>Hi, I install mate in wheezy and now i can't login
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20:28<sney_>xorxos: sorry, mate is unsupported
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20:31<xorxos>sney_: so, what can i do now
20:31<sney_>remove it
20:31<sney_>or figure out the problem yourself
20:31<sney_>but MATE uses gtk2, and a lot of wheezy relies on gtk3, so you made a mess to say the least
20:32<xorxos>I try removing, but still not working... and i ran out of ideas
20:32<xorxos>yeah, tell me about it
20:33<nome>hmm i have the same probem in others enviroment... i think... you must login as root and remove all configure files.... and restart gdm and try login on user
20:34<xorxos>I'll try that
20:34<nome>all configure files of your user at /home/user
20:34<sney_>if you have a mixture of gtk2 and gtk3 then gdm is probably completely broken, but anything is worth a shot I suppose
20:35<xorxos>can i re install gtk3
20:35<sney_>the other gnome2-ish environment, Cinnamon, is going to be available in debian sid and currently builds on wheezy
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20:35<nome>remove all files with "." but live folders like .kadu, .thunderbird .purple... with settings and archiw of history from comunicators for example...
20:35<sney_>yes, if you completely remove both mate and whatever bits of gnome you currently have, and start over
20:36<nome>and of course folders with data...
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20:36<xorxos>thanks... i'll try that
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20:38<nome>give info if you done :)
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20:41<pgb>Guys, How I can use share my PC Intertet to mey tablet using USB cable?
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20:42<sney_>does your tablet actually support networking over usb? that'd be pretty strange
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20:43<pgb>uhmmm...I thing a mobily network.
20:44<sney_>so, no
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20:49<Aleric>Grr - debian install ALWAYS goes wrong... since years and years and years.
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20:49<Aleric>It NEVER installs grub right.
20:50<Aleric>... I ended up with just a grub prompt.. How can I tell it what the root is, what the kernel to boot is then boot it?
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20:56<devil>i do not remember a grub install going wrong
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20:56<Aleric>It always assumes you boot from the first drive.
20:57<Aleric>For some reason I never do, so it always fails.
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20:57<devil>you want to reswad on grub shell
20:57<Aleric>In this case I installed from an USB stick, which was /dev/sda -- and the installer happy executed 'grub-install /dev/sda' with no other option.
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20:58<Aleric>I went the shell and had to chroot /target; and then run /usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/sdb but that still doesn't give me a grub menu. I only get a grub prompt.
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20:59<Aleric>Anyway, if it fails 8 out of 8 times, you'd think they fixed that after 10 years ;/
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21:06<sney_>Aleric: the installer asks if you want to install grub to the MBR. if you select no, then it lets you choose which disk.
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21:06<sney_>The issue is what disk is detected as containing the MBR when the installer is running
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21:07<Aleric>Sound broken to me thus.
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21:08<Aleric>I need to give grub the 'kernel' command... but it tells me "error: unknown command `kernel'."
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21:09<Aleric>Oh, it was renamed to 'linux'
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21:11<Aleric>Ok, I got in :)
21:11<Aleric>Now to install grub right :/
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21:16<bekor>hey their anyone home?
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21:18<bekor>i am wondering if anyone knows much about why i can get most things to work in compiz except magic lamp and the like
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21:20<Aleric>ARGHH.. now I don't even get a grub prompt anymore!
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21:20<Aleric>How do I install grub *correctly*? :(
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21:22<Aleric>Oh grr... nm.. the stupid PC booted another harddisk that doesn't even have a bootable partition on it.
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21:22<Aleric>But I still only get a grub> prompt :((
21:22<Aleric>How can I fix this?
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21:29<Jb_boin>Aleric, boot on a recovery distro (or live cd)
21:29<Aleric>That isn't the problem...
21:29<Aleric>I can boot by typing commands on the grub prompt.
21:29<Jb_boin>then mount your fs on for example /target
21:29<Aleric>But I don't get a grub menu with kernels to boot.
21:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 496] by debhelper
21:30<Jb_boin>ah, then if you can boot, do a dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
21:30<Aleric>Ah thank you
21:30<Jb_boin>and check parameters (and that the hard drive is selected)
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21:32<Aleric>I guess I was missing grub.cfg
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21:33<Aleric>Now I'd really like to know why the BIOS boots the wrong disk :/
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22:02<Aleric>hey hey - progress... the BIOS boots the right drive, grub has a menu - and I even got my RAM to work on 1600 MHz now :)
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23:24<ultra420>hi...anybody could tell me a channel name about vsftpd or proftpd please?
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23:50<ivo888>i install secure-delete and swapspace, but i can`t start them :(
23:50<ivo888>how to fix this?
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