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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-08-24

---Logopened Fri Aug 24 00:00:29 2012
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00:00<owen>I can just go : GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" ?
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00:02<owen>Ok, I did it that way, and it seemed to update fine, going to reboot. fingers crossed.....
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00:20<owen>Sigh, still no sound
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01:25<Medilyon>Anyone there?
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01:30<rosa>sono nuova qlc può aiutarmi?
01:30<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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01:31<rosa>grz dpkg
01:33<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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01:45<owen>Anyone have tips for no sound over HDMI??
01:46<owen>Will give several internet cookies
01:48<Medilyon>What? I don't have tips, sorry =(
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01:51<owen>No worries. :( Been chasing this issue for two days now.
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01:56<Medilyon>ouch =(
01:58<Medilyon>Did you try to check your sound board's drive?
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02:02<owen>I dont have a dedicated sound card, as I'm trying to get it running via HDMI
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02:03<owen>Sound levels are moving, and programs are registering with dont know what the issue is
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02:05<Medilyon>neither me =(
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02:06<bones_was_here>have you tried it without pulseaudio? sound levels will always move with pulse, even if the output device is /dev/null
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02:07<bones_was_here>unfortunately it's not a very convenient thing to test, because gnome3 depends on pulse...
02:07<owen>lol.... tell me about it, Have already uninstalled Gnome twice now removing pulse
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02:16<owen>hmm, running pulseaudio -D says the daemon cannot start....well, something to look into at least
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03:01<EmleyMoor>After an upgrade of kernel in squeeze-backports, I don't have a working nvidia driver - how do I get one built?
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03:02<Emmanuel_Chanel>EmleyMoor: Is there a way to build the proprietary drivers by yourselves?
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03:04<EmleyMoor>I have nvidia-kernel-dkms installed and am surprised it has not done it automatically
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03:16<EmleyMoor>Damn - it doesn't recognise 3.2.0-0.bpo.3 as being 2.6.x or newer
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03:18<EmleyMoor>Turns out I have to choose a newer version - trying again
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03:21<EmleyMoor>Still no go - where does m-a store the build log?
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03:23<emss>EmleyMoor: use module-assistant
03:23<EmleyMoor>emss: I *did*!
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03:24<emss>oh do you have the build depends installed?
03:24<EmleyMoor>Now it says "This module does not support development kernels" - it's surely not a development kernel though
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03:25<emss>what version of debian are you using?
03:25<EmleyMoor>emss: This is not a missing dependency but a dodgy identification of kernel
03:25<EmleyMoor>squeeze with backports
03:25<emss>there should be prebuilt packages?
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03:26<EmleyMoor>emss: nvidia? NTMK
03:26<emss>what is NTMK?
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03:27<emss>EmleyMoor: do you have the non-free repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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03:27<EmleyMoor>Yes, I do
03:27<emss>have you `aptitude update' after adding it?
03:27<EmleyMoor>(This worked perfectly until the new kernel)
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03:28<EmleyMoor>I added it a long time ago, and yes, I frequently do that
03:29<emss>what kernel?
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03:33<EmleyMoor>Sorry about that, irssi stopped responding. I added non-free a long time ago and have done aptitude update aplenty since then
03:34<emss>what kernel?
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03:36<rigved>hi everyone. when i get a message: "Package xxx is not available, but is referred to by another package.", how do i find out which package refers to this package xxx?
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03:36<EmleyMoor>(and, in squeeze and backports, there are NO ready-built nvidia modules to match this kernel)
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03:38<emss>EmleyMoor: so you can not aptitude install nvidia-kernel ?
03:39<EmleyMoor>That is not even a valid package name
03:40<emss>i know
03:40<emss>whichever one applies to you
03:40<emss>there are multiple ones depending on your graphics card
03:41<EmleyMoor>There isn't one that does. They all do not apply to my kernel.
03:41<emss>so none install
03:41<emss>the install fails?
03:41<EmleyMoor>Unless I can somehow use the packages in wheezy, I'm stuck
03:41<emss>or the loading of the kernel driver fails after install?
03:42<EmleyMoor>None will be appropriate so there is no point even trying to install
03:43<emss>EmleyMoor: yes you can, you can use apt pinning or aptitude install aptitude install nvidia-kernel/wheezy
03:43<EmleyMoor>It's all too 2.6-centric
03:43<EmleyMoor>emss: OK - I was aware a way existed... I'll see what I can do
03:44<emss>you may need to read the aptitude documentation i.e. not the man page for aptitude to learn more about apt pinning
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03:45<emss>what's in aptitude-doc package
03:45<EmleyMoor>I just need a quick "how to tell it not to use wheezy packages unless requested", I guess
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03:47<emss>maybe grab the nvidia kernel source from wheezy and try building that?
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03:48<EmleyMoor>Dependency h[eu]ll!
03:49<emss>what error do you get when running m-a update && m-a auto-install nvidia ?
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03:51<EmleyMoor>With the source from squeeze-backports "This module does not support development kernels". Not tried yet with source from wheezy but past experience tells me TNTWTDI.
03:52<emss>well, you can modify the version check :)
03:54<emss>EmleyMoor: you can create the nvidia-kernel backport for squeeze :)
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03:57<owen>Hey guys, is there a quick program launch in gnome 3? On OS X, you can CMD+Space and type: Chrome to launch chrome. Any equivalent?
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03:59<emss>owen: probably RTFM! :)
03:59<emss>i think gnome2 was alt+f2
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03:59<emss>not sure if that works for gnome3
04:00*EmleyMoor is installing from wheezy now - if this works, it could lead to a system upgrade in a week or so
04:00<owen>:P alt+F2 bring up command line tool.... will distract me from my other problem anyways...
04:01<emss>owen: so that is good?
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04:01<EmleyMoor>nvidia-kernel-amd64 has pulled in the kernel and driver automatically...
04:01<emss>EmleyMoor: why could it lead to a system upgrade?
04:02<EmleyMoor>emss: Because it's the kind of stage I get to occasionally when I think the whole system may as well advance - only ever consider it once the freeze is on
04:03<owen>Not quite what I was looking for, but might as well live with a few mouse clicks.. :)
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04:10<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... the dependency resolver in aptitude is counting up a lot
04:12<EmleyMoor>First choice it offered me involved nearly 200 removes - mostly of stuff I definitely want
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04:13<emss>EmleyMoor: you should maybe grab the nvidia kernel source for unstable and possibly make some changes to it and build that
04:13<emss>since you are running a modern kernel
04:14<emss>you will have to build the kernel and glx packages
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04:15<emss>and whatever else
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04:15<EmleyMoor>emss: Or I could carry on upgrading stuff until breakages hits 0...
04:15<emss>you could just run unstable :)
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04:16<emss>welcome to nvidia on debian :)
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04:27<owen>emss: Close, but i'd rather not have to enter the *exact* app name, but have it slim down, so rather than "Google Chrome", just start "chro.." and then hit enter when it narrows it down to one
04:27<owen>Im just nitpicking really
04:28<owen>Just that I used spotlight alot on OS X
04:29<EmleyMoor>Looks like this mess is unsatisfiable
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04:29<EmleyMoor>Is there a key to hit in aptitude to "revert all marks to how they were before?
04:29<emss>no idea
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04:30<emss>i don't use the ncurses part
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04:31<emss>under Options there is a Revert options
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04:32<EmleyMoor>That's options, though - program preferences - not marks.
04:32<emss>Actions -> Cancel pending actions ?
04:32<EmleyMoor>Ah :-)
04:32<emss>does that work?
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04:33<emss>owen: well you can create aliases :)
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04:33<emss>or keyboard shourtcuts
04:34<EmleyMoor>Looks like I might get somewhere, but only if graphics are restored without further messing
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04:35<emss>well, you could use the nouveau driver till you get nvidia's installed
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04:36<owen>Isn't that for already predefined shortcuts. Like :Show windows... (alt + tab)
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04:38<EmleyMoor>emss: nouveau did silly things when I used my TV card... but I am considering that...
04:39<prowl82>how do everyone. How is squeeze with the opensource radeon driver? Am thinking specifically with a 6850 (Northern Island)
04:40<emss>prowl82: maybe check the wiki
04:41<owen>Well, I run Wheezy on a 6870, and I had to use the non-free repo and get the firmware-linux-nonfree firmware to get gnome 3 and not the fallback to work
04:41<owen>Mind you, not getting sound over hdmi :(
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04:48<prowl82>emss: Thanks for the link.
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04:49<prowl82>owen: Cheers. I am going to switch to Debian. Just thinking I will hold off for Wheezy.
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04:51<owen>prowl82: Uh, I also had the same problems on Squeeze, FYI
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05:47<PaulePanter>Hi. Can somebody please confirm that going to with Iceweasel from Testing/Unstable is really slow.
05:47<PaulePanter>This is with GNOME Classic and an AMD graphics device with Radeon driver here.
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05:58<EmleyMoor>I think YouTube may be having problems at the moment
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06:10<cq>hello, what is teh best way to have one remote with git-annex but having two IP addrs... one eth0 one wlan0
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06:41<BlueMint>Hi, my debian install come across an error when on the configure network stage
06:42<BlueMint>Anyone know how I could fix this, or what i have done wrong
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06:47<thomas>BlueMint: Can you provide error messages? Look at the console.
06:47<BlueMint>thomas, it's a graphical install. I have since then carried on to the partition disk stage
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06:49<bernat>BlueMint: doesn't Debian use a text installer?
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06:50<BlueMint>bernat, it had an option for 'installation' and 'graphical installation'
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06:53<bernat>BlueMint: you need to provide error messages any way or the other
06:53<bernat>BlueMint: you can try the normal install too
06:53<grove>For several versions the installer has existed in both a text-based and a graphical version
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06:54<bernat>grove: I'm completely outdated about the installer
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06:56<grove>I have no idea about how it's made, but apart from the higher resolution and different colours they look pretty much the same, and I believe they give pretty much the same errors
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07:57<reklipz>Is it possible to create an ssh private key that is encrypted using AES or something other than DES/DES3?
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08:31<vampire_baron>hi every oneeee!!!!!!!!!!
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08:32<dckx>hi. I was curious if there is a way to combine 2 or more actions in aptitude. Like 'aptitude upgrade install abc'
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08:34<abrotman>dckx: well, the install would install the newest version available
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08:35<dckx>sure, but let's assume I want to upgrade all my packages and additionally install a new one in one shot.
08:37<tale>dckx: aptitude upgrade ; aptitude install abc def
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08:40<reklipz>dckx: try: '# aptitude upgrade package_to_install+'
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08:41<reklipz>That might just install that one package, though. dckx: What's wrong with '# aptitude upgrade; aptitude install abc'
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08:43<BlueMint>Hello, I am new to debian and just installed it. I do not have an internet symbol anywhere. What should I do?
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08:46<dckx>reklipz: It would be faster that way
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08:46<Apollo>BlueMint: "internet symbol"?
08:47<BlueMint>Apollo, I just don't think I have internet at all. 'ipconfig' in terminal does not work
08:47<andres>Thats because ipconfig is for windows.
08:47<Apollo>ipconfig is a windows command
08:47*BlueMint slaps himself.
08:47<BlueMint>How can I see why my internet is not working, don't I need drivers?
08:48<andres>.oO(wine ipconfig /all)
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08:48<Apollo>'ip addr' will show you your links and their associated ip address(es)
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08:49<BlueMint>Worked. But how can I connect to a WLAN?
08:50<dckx>ifconfig -a
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08:56<RedMint>apollo, when I first started installing debian, it got an error when installing the network or something..
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08:58<Apollo>RedMint: read the wiki article I linked you
08:59<RedMint>Apollo, I did, and will this correct the error?
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08:59<amr>hello all is debian whezy is so bad/unstable or what?
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09:01<RedMint>Apollo, hmm, on my windows computer I have all these files including the debian network file, when I put them on a USB I can see them, but when I plug the USB into the debian client, I can see everything except the debian network file
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09:02<Apollo>does the file have a '.' in front of its name?
09:03<RedMint>I have hidden files visible
09:03<abrotman>is this mint or Debian ?
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09:05<amr>excuse me, I am very new here so do I have to wait when I found some one asking a question or I can ask my question any time?
09:05<abrotman>any time
09:06<abrotman>amr: Wheezy is usable for most people .. why do you ask?
09:06<amr>I think to upgrade to it as I love gnome 3 soooooooo much but I am afriaed to have unstable system, what do you think sir
09:07<abrotman>i've been using wheezy for awhile, it's mostly stable .. i have a few minor issues, but nothing unworkable
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09:08<amr>then can you tell me how to upgrade my debian to wheezy?
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09:09<abrotman>!tell amr about squeeze->wheezy
09:09*daemonkeeper ponders writing !iyhtays instead
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09:10<abrotman>yeah ..
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09:12<abrotman>daemonkeeper: though, it's getting toward that point where more testing is better.
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09:13<pavi>my feedback on wheezy : still raw , isnt it coming too early ?
09:14<amr>can I replace my sources file with this one or this will make problems with my current drivers?
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09:15<daemonkeeper>Using Linux, drivers are bundled with the kernel.
09:15<daemonkeeper>This is unlike windows (et. al.)
09:15<amr>so this is okay to have wheezy
09:15<daemonkeeper>Yes, but there is no security support for Wheezy.
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09:16<daemonkeeper>pavi: Who said it would come?
09:16<amr>so which line i should ignore
09:17<daemonkeeper>The last two
09:17<daemonkeeper>pavi: Early adopters and brave can use it already, nobody said it would be generally available.
09:17<pavi>daemonkeeper, I was testing the beta .
09:17<daemonkeeper>There is no beta.
09:17<daemonkeeper>There is a beta installer.
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09:18<daemonkeeper>Which is something orthogonally different :)
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09:18<pavi>daemonkeeper, oops I meant alpha .
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09:19<daemonkeeper>So? Look at the title of the post you linked :)
09:20<abrotman>amr: looks fine
09:20<pavi>daemonkeeper, yeah sorry it was confusing , so its the beta installer . I used that one and it was quite un usable .
09:21<amr>okay now my sources files is like this ,is this okay, shall I save?
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09:21<Apollo>amr: it's *not* a good idea to mix stable and unstable installs
09:21<Apollo>which is what you are doing
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09:22<Apollo>looks like you commented them out
09:22<amr>apollo: so you mean I should stay without upgrading to wheezy?
09:22<Apollo>amr: I don't think it is a good idea for you
09:22<toni_>is it possibile to install a packages from sid
09:22<toni_>in a directory?
09:22<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead.
09:23<toni_>I have squeeze
09:23<toni_>with kde gnome ecc ecc
09:23<toni_>can I install okular from sid
09:23<toni_>without updating packages in synaptic?
09:23<amr>apollo: you mean as I am a beginner ?
09:23<daemonkeeper>toni_: Don't try that.
09:24<toni_>I would like to install okular in a directory
09:24<toni_>like /usr/local/okular-sid
09:24<daemonkeeper>toni_: It won't work for complex packages like KDE (base).
09:24<toni_>with all packages it neets
09:24<toni_>how to do?
09:24<amr>apollo: but i want gnome 3 ? how to have it in most easy and stable way?
09:24<Apollo>use a distribution that packages gnome 3
09:25<Apollo>Ubuntu for example
09:25<daemonkeeper>toni_: There is no support for chrooted installations. You can, however, set your own chroot of a Wheezy branch to achieve what you try to do. To make it callable from the outside you'll need to do a massive LD_LIBRARY_PATH orgy
09:25<amr>my ubuntu didn't upgrade to gnome 3 ,I did all what ppl told me but it didn' successed :(
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09:26<daemonkeeper>Debian Ubuntu 12.04?
09:27<daemonkeeper>toni_: But realize, effectively this means you get _a full_ Debian system in some directory.
09:27<toni_>I would like to install full wheezy in a directory
09:28<toni_>and then start okular from wheezy in squeeze
09:28<toni_>will it not work?
09:28<daemonkeeper>Just do a debootstrap(1) with the parameters you eant.
09:28<daemonkeeper>It will work, but starting okular outside the chroot requires some library search path mangling fun. You probably want to build some wrapping script around.
09:29<daemonkeeper>Basic procedure: Install Wheezy to /target, chroot(8) into /target, apt-get install okular, leave chroot, write a script in /usr/bin/okular-wheezy which loads /target/usr/bin/okular with mangled library search paths.
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09:30<toni_>I understand
09:30<toni_>but will it work properly?
09:30<daemonkeeper>It might.
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09:31<toni_>will it not be able to read my /home/ directory
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09:31<daemonkeeper>you will.
09:31<toni_>doing what?
09:32<daemonkeeper>Doing nothing. But it /may/ conflict with Squeeze's okular configuration files located in your home.
09:32<toni_>when I will click file open
09:32<toni_>will I read only chrooted dir?
09:32<toni_>or the whole disk?
09:33<daemonkeeper>The point is, you *install* to a chroot, but you run it from outside.
09:33<daemonkeeper>You can, of course, also start okular chrooted, but that gets more complicated to give it access to your X server.
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09:33<toni_>no I want to start it external
09:34<toni_>so I could read also all my files directly
09:34<daemonkeeper>Yes, see above.
09:34<toni_>and what about printing?
09:34<daemonkeeper>Pinning you mean.
09:34<daemonkeeper>Oh, you mean printing out of okular?
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09:34<toni_>yes printing files
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09:35<toni_>will it use printers in base system or chroot?
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09:35<daemonkeeper>Printing probably involves some DBus action in the background. If that's compatible to your Squeeze host printing interface it will work.
09:36<toni_>ok I'll try
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09:38<Rakonee>could i get some help?
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09:40<Rakonee>im having trouble with my amd graphics card, i have the fglrx drivers, but i cant seem to get the amd drivers to work, i would like to use catalyst control to work
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09:41<Rakonee>these drivers dont go past 1024x768
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09:44<toni_>I have a problem in debian squeeze with original nvidia driver
09:44<toni_>when for example I open in text editor a large file txt
09:45<toni_>and i scroll with scrollbars
09:45<toni_>cpu go to 100%
09:45<toni_>is it normal???
09:45<toni_>xorg eats 50% of cpu
09:45<toni_>texteditor (mousepad or gedit or something else) the rest
09:45<daemonkeeper>The Squeeze driver is wonky in conjunction with KDE's 3D effects.
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09:46<toni_>no, I tried in gnome
09:46<toni_>and xfce
09:46<toni_>and twm
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09:47<toni_>to open the same file in windows
09:47<toni_>only 10-20% of cpu is used
09:47<toni_>so I can do other things meanwhile
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09:50<SynrG>toni_: first of all, the enter key isn't punctuation. please use complete sentences with normal punctuation. otherwise it's very choppy and hard to read in the backlog.
09:51<toni_>ok sorry
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09:51<SynrG>when you say 'original', you mean not a backport? i.e. 195.36.31-6
09:52<toni_>no, nvidia 96xx driver in repository
09:54<SynrG>,versions nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms
09:54<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 96.43.18-2; wheezy/non-free: 96.43.20-5; sid/non-free: 96.43.20-6; experimental/non-free: 96.43.20-6+exp1
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09:56<SynrG>so, i'm not seeing outstanding bugs on it. however, who knows what issues that might have.
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09:56<SynrG>glxinfo | grep -i direct
09:57<SynrG>toni_: using squeeze kernel as well? uname -r
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09:58<SynrG>oops, didn't select 'stable' at bugs.d.o. sec
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09:59<cesar>Alguien que hable español?
10:00<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:00<SynrG>toni_: nope, i can't find any bug relating to your problem for that driver. we should explore if perhaps it is some configuration issue specific to you
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10:05<toni_>how could I check
10:05<toni_>I used nvidia-xconfig to create xorg file
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10:09<SynrG>toni_: i already gave you two commands to check and you've not given me output from either of them.
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10:10<SynrG>here again, in case it is lost in the scroll:
10:10<SynrG>glxinfo | grep -i direct
10:10<SynrG>uname -r
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10:17<toni_>one moment
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10:19<toni_>I rebooted and fsck is checking
10:20<SynrG>i have to go. errands.
10:20<SynrG>others here can pick up where i left off
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10:21<toni_>ok thanks
10:21<toni_>do you know how can I interuppt it?
10:21<toni_>if I press ctrl + c
10:21<toni_>it gives errors
10:21<toni_>like mount in read only etc
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10:33<SynrG>toni_: interrupt what?
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10:34<toni_>now I am in the system
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10:36<toni_>glxinfo | grep -i direct
10:36<toni2_>direct rendering: Yes
10:37<toni_>uname -r
10:37<toni_>uname -r
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10:40<ani>you may need to check this glxinfo | grep -i OpenGl
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10:42<toni2_>OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project
10:42<toni2_>OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
10:42<toni2_>one moment
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10:42<toni2_>xorg.conf missing
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10:44<abrotman>that's normal .. and gone ..
10:44<toni_>no, I removed it to try another video card
10:44<ani>may be he using nvidia ..and did not install nvidia-xconfig
10:45<toni_>now I reput it in
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10:45<ani>toni_, nvidia?
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10:49<toni_>I am rebooting
10:50<toni_>ok I am in
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10:51<toni_>glxinfo | grep -i OpenGl
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10:53<toni2_>OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
10:53<toni2_>OpenGL renderer string: GeForce4 MX 440/AGP/SSE2
10:53<toni2_>OpenGL version string: 1.5.8 NVIDIA 96.43.18
10:54<toni2_>OpenGL extensions:
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11:00<toni_>cpu is always high when scrolling
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11:02<sml>silly question. if you took killed one of the wires in a network cable (just disconnected it) could it still be used to TX ONLY (assuming you removed the RX) or would the other network equipment refuse to talk to it?
11:04<abrotman>sml: it's a two way conversation
11:04<toni_>what could I try do do?
11:04<sml>abrotman: yeah I kinda thought so. Was thinking it'd be a really cool way of making a firewall. Just a cable that allowed you to send but not recieve. For things where you only really needed to broadcast.
11:04<sml>(a layer 1 firewall)
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11:06<abrotman>sml: and what would you send and not receive?
11:07<sml>abrotman: No idea. Was just thinking if there are layer two firewalls, would a layer 1 firewall have to be physical somehow ? And ergo, could you just make a firewall-cable! Just having a mad moment thinking to myself
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11:12<toni_>don't understand why using 100% of cpu to scroll text file
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11:17<toni_>do you know how to move windows if I invoke xinit application ??
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11:37<tale>toni_: Start also a window manager, then you can move windows.
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12:02<Aleric>When I reboot, the KDM panel with the 'start' menu, or what is it called, doesn't appear :/ ... Anyone have an idea how I can restart it?
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12:16<amr>Hello I installed openGL windows . compiz and compiz and compizeConfig settings manager but when I open it and make a change it didn't activated ,any advice
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12:18<retrospectacus>amr: install also "fusion-icon" and use that to control/switch compiz
12:18<EmleyMoor>I just removed all nvidia drivers, to switch to nouveau, but X is still trying to use nvidia. How do I fix it?
12:20<retrospectacus>EmleyMoor: remove the nouveau blacklist (/etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf)
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12:20<retrospectacus>and switch to nouveau in xorg.conf
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12:21<toni_>I installed nvidia driver from nvidia website
12:21<toni_>now, if I want to remove theme
12:21<amr>I did and use it to open the compiz manager then I check on 'wobbly windows' but nothing ?!!
12:21<toni_>how do to?
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12:23<retrospectacus>you have to enable compiz amr - with the icon, "select window manager"
12:23<EmleyMoor>All sorted
12:23<Aleric>Grr, my bug is one that is 8 years old.. and never fixed... I'm getting more and more unhappy with linux.
12:23<retrospectacus>amr: and sometimes it says it is enabled but isn't, click it again
12:24<amr>window manager is on compiz
12:24<Aleric>They happily resolved the bug with "kicker is unmaintained", what about removing kicker from debian??
12:24<retrospectacus>toni_: that is not supported here. Go to #nvidia on freenode
12:24<amr>and I keep disable and enable wobbly ,but no use
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12:24<retrospectacus>Aleric: kicker is not in debian anymore
12:25<retrospectacus>,v kicker
12:25<judd>Package: kicker on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1
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12:25<Aleric>Then what is it called? cause I have the exact same bug
12:26<Aleric>And auto-hiding panel on a dual monitor setup shows shortly after boot, disappears and never appears again. Has been that for a long time.
12:26<retrospectacus>no idea, I don't have kde
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12:27<EmleyMoor>Is there a "state of readiness" page for wheezy?
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12:28<retrospectacus>amr: in the settings manager, click preferences, plugins tab and enable automatic sorting
12:29<retrospectacus>and make sure you have compiz running as I described earlier
12:30<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... couple of security bugs in asterisk...
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12:46<splic>Hello, I was wondering if there is a way to group and/ors when using "find" I've been googling but I keep getting results that are about users/groups.
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12:47<engla>splic: the man page
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12:56<retrospectacus>it uses "and" for everything by default, you can use "-o" for or, and you can group with escaped parens: \(
12:56<arix>Hello Guys, currently I am running Debian as a VM vith Vbox, I updated Vbox and there is a new Guest Additions, when I click to install as an autorun it displays the following error: Error autorunning software - cannot find the autorun program.
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12:57<splic>retrospectacus: thank you, I wasn't escaping the parens correctly
13:00<retrospectacus>arix: apt-get install virtualbox-ose-guest-{utils,x11} from the guest
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13:02<arix>thank you <retrospectacus>
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13:05<EmleyMoor>I mentioned a problem with red and blue being swapped on YouTube - only happens with nvidia driver, it's fine with nouveau
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13:30<retrospectacus>lupa20: do you have a Debian question?
13:30<XReaper>single word statements are oddness :P
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13:31<XReaper>that was indeed strange
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13:32<ribe>hi guys, I have several stand alone Linux machines 3 Debian and two of something else..where can I learn to network them, what would you recommend?
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13:35<sney_>ribe might be a little outdated but it'll give you a lot of useful information. and on your debian systems, see 'man 5 interfaces'
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13:38<ribe><sney_> thanks I appreciate it!
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13:40<sney_>ribe uh no problem
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13:41<Mini>hi all
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13:42<Mini>who can help me? pls when i install google chrome after i dont see the icon... the icon dissapiered
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13:43<sney_>Mini: what version of debian and how did you install it
13:44<Mini>i have debian lenny
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13:44<Mini>i installed it via sudo
13:44<retrospectacus>we don't support lenny or chrome. upgrade to squeeze and install chromium
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13:45<Mini>how to upgrade?
13:45<retrospectacus>!tell Mini about lenny->squeeze
13:46<retrospectacus>the irc robot named dpkg sent you a message. it's in another window or tab
13:46<toni_>package versions:
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13:46<toni_>package version question: 1:version... what does 1 mean?
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13:47<retrospectacus>where do you see that toni
13:47<toni_>in synaptic
13:48<toni_>in apt-get
13:48<toni_>for example mc 3:4.8.3-5
13:48<toni_>what is 3 ?
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13:59<Cranvil>toni_: You may look up the meaning of the version number scheme in the debian policy:
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14:03<grummund>Hi, how can i go about getting a list of packages that have been installed from squeeze-backports ?
14:04<abrotman>aptitude search ~o<term>
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14:16<Mini>how long does upgrade take?
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14:18<Mini>from lenny to squeeze?
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14:21<grummund>ok i found the aptitude reference manual and "aptitude search ~o" seems to do exactly what i wanted.
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14:21<grummund>not sure about the "<term>"
14:21<Apollo>Mini: depends on your system
14:21<Apollo>adding plzzzzzzz doesn't make anybody respond faster
14:22<Apollo>actually makes most of us ignore you
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14:23<Mini>what i have to do to add google chrome icon?
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14:25<SynrG>Mini: you've already been answered. are you upgrading from lenny to squeeze now?
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14:26<SynrG>Mini: how long it takes entirely depends. on fast hardware it can be fast. on slow hardware, slow ...
14:26<SynrG>and that goes for your network connection too
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14:51<tinfury>looking for a channel that talks about sniffing wifi
14:51<tinfury>Anyone know where I can go?
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14:53<daemonkeeper>##security on Freenode.
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14:55<sney_>it sounds dirty in a way.
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15:00<marsim>Help please :-) I've tried and tried but cannot get audio out from my linux box
15:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:01<marsim>I've followed all tutorials and forum sugestione
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15:01<marsim>my box is based on ASUS AT5NM10-I
15:01<marsim>is an atom one
15:02<marsim>I can't hear anything neither from the backplane connector nor from the front.
15:02<sney_>what debian version, what sound device, what desktop environment if any, are you using pulseaudio, what have you tried so far specifically
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15:03<marsim>I'm using Debian 6, and made all tests using Gnome
15:03<marsim>now, I'm using XFCE because I've read that it will be
15:03<marsim>the next default d.e.
15:03<marsim>I've tried using ALSA
15:04<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
15:04<marsim>ok, sorry
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15:05<dmitry>i cant install skype on lenny
15:05<gruetzkopf>why are you still using lenny
15:06<abrotman>and talk to skype
15:06<marsim>so. I've read that you asked if I'm using pulseaudio. Is this a better choice ?
15:06<engla>marsim: did you check alsamixer?
15:07<marsim>yes, I've cheched the alsamixer. The default audio device is the correct one, and all volume sliders are at the maximum
15:07<dmitry>because im not able to upgrade to squeeze
15:07<grummund>Is there a way to list grub entries from the command line?
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15:07<sney_>marsim: no, I only asked if you are using it so I can have the necessary information to help with your problem. please tell me yes or no if you are using pulseaudio, and please provide the other information I asked you for (what sound device, what have you tried so far)
15:08<dmitry>is there any way to install google chrome and skype?
15:08<sney_>marsim: I cannot read your mind and I am not at your computer with you, and I don't want to walk you through things you have already done. please help me help you.
15:08<sney_>dmitry: lenny is not supported anymore, and 3rd party software is not supported in #debian
15:09<dmitry>what if i install ubuntu 10.10
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15:09<dmitry>will it work on ubuntu?
15:09<engla>then you have an old version of ubuntu which is not debian
15:09<sney_>dmitry: ubuntu is not supported here either...
15:11<marsim>I've tried alsamixer, the audio is IDT73C 6-Channel High-Definition Audio CODEC , i've used alsa and alsamixer, debian is 6.0 and the desktop environment (at the time of the test) was Gnome, now I'm using FXCE
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15:12<sney_>marsim: what is the output of the command "lspci -nn |grep -i audio"
15:13<marsim>00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 02)
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15:14<sney_>marsim: and you are sure there's no MM on any levels in alsamixer?
15:14<marsim>I've also run alsamixer in a terminal and it displays: Card: HDA Intel; Chip: IDT 92HD73C1X5
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15:15<marsim>I've not undestood your last question
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15:15<sney_>in alsamixer, there are the levels that you can control with the up and down arrow keys, but they can also be muted, and when they are muted they show MM at the bottom
15:16<marsim>I see that sliders are all at maximum, i also can move them
15:16<sney_>marsim: see Line and Mic on the right side, how there is MM in a box at the bottom?
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15:18<marsim>ah ok, I've no MM
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15:19<marsim>to be precise I've no Line bar
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15:19<marsim>I only have: Master, Headphone, Speaker, PCM, PC Beep
15:20<sney_>marsim: those are just extra inputs, but I just wanted to make sure you don't have MM in pcm, master, or headphone
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15:20<marsim>MM stands for mute ?
15:21<marsim>is something I can do to let it work ?
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15:22<sney_>marsim: does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root?
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15:23<marsim>now it works!!
15:23<marsim>I've tried and tried but never wqorked!
15:23<sney_>the aplay command worked?
15:23<marsim>yes it worked, I've heard a noise
15:24<sney_>ok, you need to add your user to the audio group, then log out and log in, and sound should work normally then
15:25<marsim>no need to do this, because I did it last time
15:25<marsim>and now it works correctly :-)
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15:26<marsim>I'm now trying to play a video from youtube but I can't hear anything
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15:27<marsim>now it works also from the browser !!! :-) great
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15:28<marsim>now the question is ? the only thing I've changed is to switch to XFCE does this mean that the problem was caused by gnome ?
15:28<sney_>probably not, just weird permissions
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15:29<sney_>if you install pulseaudio it may help, especially if you're going to have a few applications running that need to play sound
15:29<marsim>but, now I've not changed permissions, strange...
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15:30<marsim>the important thing is that I can now listen!!! :-) thank you for your patience and support
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15:30<sney_>no problem
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15:32<marsim>a last question :-) I'm now discovering that in XFCE I'he no volume icon in the bar, do you know the name of the package that contains it ?
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15:33<gotmynick>marsim, apt-cache search xfce mixer
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15:34<marsim>I got it :-) thank you again
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15:36*gotmynick should try xfce one of these days
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15:37<marsim>gotmynick, do it :-) you'll be happy, I've solved multiple problems in one shot
15:37<marsim>google chrome works better
15:38<gotmynick>I've some familiars using gnome (2), but I think the day I upgrade their machines, I'm going to try it
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15:39<marsim>next debian release will have it bu default :-)
15:39<sney_>well, it's not a permanent decision yet, there is still some discussion
15:40<sney_>but it seems likely because it does actually fit on CD1
15:41<marsim>yes, maybe, consider that GNOME 3 is very different and for some people (me comprised) it sucks,
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15:43<sney_>I don't really mind gnome 3 but it is definitely optimized for tablets instead of computers. the 'cinnamon' desktop environment from Mint is also being packaged for debian, I predict that becoming a popular option, but it won't be available in 7
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15:44<gotmynick>mmm... maybe someone steps in, to create backports, or is it technically "impossible" ?
15:44<marsim>I agree, with you althougt I've only seen screenshots and never used. One of these days I'll try in a virtual machine
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15:45<sney_>gotmynick: yeah it'll probably wind up in wheezy-backports if there is enough interest
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15:45<sney_>it does currently build and run on wheezy from the mentors sources
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15:47<gotmynick>that's great news. My family is used to gnome2 interface. Anyway, I abandoned gnome to use fluxbox time ago. I like to change my machines by hardware needs, not by "move windows and icons" needs.
15:47<Anastasia95>why debian doesnt have startup disk creator???
15:48<Anastasia95>how can i install it?? or can i at all?
15:49<gotmynick>Anastasia95, in which OS do you want to do it ?
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15:49<gotmynick>if already on linux, just dd the ISO to a usb drive
15:49<Anastasia95>debian squeeze
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15:49<Anastasia95>no no
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15:49<Anastasia95>i need to boot debian
15:50<Anastasia95>how to dd?
15:50<gotmynick>debian installer ?
15:50<gotmynick>dd if=/path/to/the/file.iso of=/dev/XXX
15:50<gotmynick>where XXX is the usb drive you want to boot
15:51<gotmynick>sdb, sdc, whatever
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15:51<gotmynick>be careful, your hard drive maybe sda, be sure on the of= parameter
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15:52<Jb_boin>fdisk -l to have a list of disks and their size and partition tables
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15:57<Anastasia95>dd if=/path/to/the/file.iso of=/dev/XXX are you sure its correct?
15:57<Anastasia95>i have an error
15:57<Anastasia95>gotmynick: sure?
15:57<gotmynick>which error
15:57<Anastasia95>its not found or smthg like that
15:57<sney_>it is not XXX
15:57<gotmynick>you should use a valid device name where the "XXX", the usb device name, see fdisk -l as Jb_boin said
15:58<gotmynick>and maybe you need both commands (fdisk -l and dd) as root
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15:58<secher>Heyas all. Trying to connect with sshfs as regular user, but I get permission denied for /dev/fuse. I did usermod -aG fuse secher, but running $groups 'fuse' is not there, but is in /etc/groups and I still cannot mount with sshfs. Any ideas?
15:59<gotmynick>re-log-in or open a new session (?)
15:59<secher>gotmynick: was that to me?
15:59<Anastasia95>my usb name is anastasy
16:00<Anastasia95>for example..
16:00<Anastasia95>i use anastasy instead of XXX right>
16:00<gotmynick>secher, yes
16:00<gotmynick>Anastasia95, no
16:00<gotmynick>your usb device should be something like sda, sdb, sdc... etc
16:00<Anastasia95>sda yes
16:01<gotmynick>see as root "fdisk -l" output, or the last lines of "dmesg" when you plug-in the usb
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16:01<Anastasia95>again i cant do notnig
16:01<secher>gotmynick: I started a new term.. lemme try a new login shell.
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16:03<secher>gotmynick: didnt' work.. going to have to try full logoff/on. crap. brb.
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16:03<gotmynick>Anastasia95, why you can't do nothing? what did you try and what error do you get ?
16:03<dierot>Hello, has anyone online tried the openstack-thingy in the repo?
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16:05<Anastasia95>it doesnt open
16:05<Anastasia95>i think ill install ubuntu
16:05<Anastasia95>and will run via program
16:05<Anastasia95>it will take easier
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16:06<gotmynick>Anastasia95, if you run as root "blkid", is /dev/sda1 in the same line than LABEL="anastasy" ?
16:06<gotmynick>then as root:
16:06<gotmynick>umount /dev/sda1 # just in case
16:06<gotmynick>dd if=/path/to/the/file.iso of=/dev/sda
16:07<gotmynick>if you get any error, please, transcribe or paste it
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16:08<gotmynick>errr... I don't know if it's evident, but you should change "/path/to/the/file.iso" by the path to debian installer iso in your filesystem
16:08<gotmynick>there are detailed instructions about all this in the debian-installer manual
16:08<secher>gotmynick: Beauty, did the trick. I thought a new shell or new login shell would read /etc/group but apparently now. Thanks!
16:08<dpkg>secher: no worries
16:08<Anastasia95>i tried dev/sda1
16:08<Anastasia95>no luck
16:09<gotmynick>why have you try it ? is it in the ourput of blkid ?
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16:09<gotmynick>what is "no luck"? is there any error we can read ?
16:09<Anastasia95>it writes there is no such file
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16:10<Anastasia95>i put the file in my home folder
16:11<gotmynick>which file name is in the same line than "no such file"
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16:11<gotmynick><gotmynick> errr... I don't know if it's evident, but you should change "/path/to/the/file.iso" by the path to debian installer iso in your filesystem
16:12<gotmynick>also, you should dd to the device (sda, sdb, whatever blkid says), not to the first partition (sda1)
16:12<pablum>hmm... dev/sda1... hmm
16:13<Anastasia95>ill boot ubuntu
16:13<Anastasia95>thanks man
16:14<Anastasia95>it will be faster i think :D
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16:15<gotmynick>go, do it as you think it's better
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16:15<Anastasia95>bye ;)
16:15<Anastasia95>thanks anyway
16:15<gotmynick>if you can't accomplish simple commands, maybe debian will be a little hard at the beginning
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16:15<gotmynick>you are welcome
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16:20<gotmynick>dierot, I've not tested the openstack packages, I've enough for me with my kvm scripts, but I see a #debian-openstack channel in this network
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16:51<eightyeight>given a .deb file, how can i find out if it is installed?
16:51<eightyeight>$ for i in *.deb; do dpkg -l $(dpkg-deb --info $i | awk '/ Package\:/ {print $2}'); done
16:51<eightyeight>seems a bit awkward
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16:52<eightyeight>does dpkg-deb have native support to see if the .deb is already installed?
16:52<eightyeight>or maybe another tool?
16:52<Jb_boin>dpkg -l *packagename* or dpkg -l |grep "packagename" would do the trick?
16:52<dpkg>No packages found matching *packagename* or dpkg -l |grep "packagename" would do the trick
16:52<engla_>debsums maybe
16:52<eightyeight>Jb_boin: that assuming i know the package name
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16:53<eightyeight>i've also considered:
16:53<eightyeight>$ for i in *.deb; do dpkg --info $i | awk '/ Package\:/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy; done
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17:23<eightyeight>per LSB 4.1, debian does not adhere to the spec for runlevels:
17:23<eightyeight>why is this?
17:23<eightyeight>just curious
17:23<eightyeight>i think this is the first time i've noticed debian deviates from the standard
17:23<eightyeight>which is shocking, actually
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17:25<ompaul>the real world is shocking ... ok so
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17:26<eightyeight>doesn't address the question though. :)
17:26<sney_>eightyeight: it may be one of those things where adherence to the spec is planned for the future, but we aren't there yet
17:26<sney_>or there is a good reason for doing it differently. in either case, there's probably a discussion on debian-devel somewhere
17:26<eightyeight>sney_: yeah. that works. couldn't find a bug on it, or anything on the mailing lists, so figured i'd ask here
17:26<eightyeight>i'll keep searching
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17:34<EmleyMoor>When I call up an mp3 URL in iceweasel, I get a black window, then when I close it, iceweasel crashes. Why would that be?
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17:34<engla_>a bug in its media player I guess
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17:37<ing>What is the best/canonical workaround against udev's 70-persistent-net.rules?
17:37<peterS>man all this newfangled multimedia built right into the browser. why, back in my day, if you wanted a web page to do anything other than just sit there after loading, you either animated your gifs, or used <blink>
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17:38<peterS>ing: "workaround against"? what are you trying to do? what's your situation?
17:38<ing>I guess modified 75-persistent-net-generator.rules will be overwritten by package updates
17:38<peterS>ing: for example, the dynamic MACs assigned by VMware and Microsoft Hyper-V are specifically excluded from being cached in 70-persistent-net.rules
17:38<ing>peterS: cloning VMs with different MAC addresses
17:39<peterS>ing: if there's a similar situation, do what I did and send a patch to 75-persistent-net-generator.rules to include (in my case) the Hyper-V MACs
17:39<ing>Ok, I see... the one used by KVM is not
17:40<peterS>ing: so the lower-tech way to get the same thing is to convince KVM to use the same MAC prefix as, say, VMware uses
17:41<peterS>(btw my hyper-v patch was applied in udev 167-2, see /usr/share/doc/udev/changelog.Debian.gz)
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17:42<EmleyMoor>My sound is terrible! My system is sending it out over my on-board sound circuit, rather than my added sound card, and it appears to be shuffling the channels around...
17:43<EmleyMoor>How can I best adjust this so that I can actually hear things properly
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17:45<ompaul>EmleyMoor: use the bios to turn off the onboard sound
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17:45<EmleyMoor>ompaul: Hmmm... it got turned back on without my say so
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18:01<ing>peterS: Ok, I found out what the problem ist: the KVM mac range IS there, but Bug #638159 keeps it from working.
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18:18<peterS>ing: *nod* - makes sense
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18:48<vook>I have a big problem. The NIS master on my network suffered a major failure (2 drives in a raid 5 set failed in a matter of hours). The NIS slave is working, but I see that the slave doesn't store a local user database. Is it possible to rebuild an NIS master from an NIS slave (recreate users, etc..)
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18:51<toni_>do you know if there's in xorg
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18:51<toni_>something like xfce4run ?
18:51<toni_>something like it but graphically like xcalc xpdf etc ?
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19:31<sakax>hello all - i did my first minimal (clean) install of debian squeeze :-) what's the name of the package which let you easily create and modify desktop files ?
19:32<sney_>desktop files?
19:32<sakax>the app is normally under system > administration and is called "Main Menu"
19:32<sney_>oh, .desktop - the gnomeish shortcuts
19:32<sakax>yes :)
19:33<sney_>I'm not sure what the program is called since I don't use gnome, but the package is probably gnome-something
19:33<sney_>there's also debtags
19:33<sney_>!tell sakax about debtags
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19:34<sakax>nautilus? that's just gnome's file browser
19:35<sakax>the little app is included in the full debian squeeze install
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19:35<sakax>i also think it should be a gnome-.... package
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19:36<retrospectacus>sakax: you can manage your menu with "alacarte" (or right click it and choose edit menus)
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19:37<retrospectacus>as for ones on the desktop, I have always just edited them with vi or so
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19:38<sakax>many thanks retrospectacus :)
19:38<retrospectacus>sure thing
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21:03<vicmmuran>hi there
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21:05<vicmmuran>I have a little problem with subnet comunication between debian 6.0 and win 7
21:05<sney_>go on
21:06<vicmmuran>well the idea is create a multihomed win 7 server tu work in a subnet to debian pcs
21:06<nutron>with the multiarch changeover, does this affect packages such as nvidia-glx? I'd like to install the i386 libraries that are needed, but installing the ia32 version of any of the packages wants to remove a few critical packages...
21:07<vicmmuran>serving rdp
21:07<sney_>nutron: yes, it does, it's a bit of a mess right now. #debian-next is usually the right place to ask though
21:07<nutron>sney_: oh? What's debian-next about?
21:08<sney_>#debian-next is the testing/sid channel
21:08<nutron>sney_: ahh, thank you.
21:08<nutron>Was unaware.
21:08<sney_>it's in the /topic
21:09<nutron>It certainly is!
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21:12<vicmmuran>someone dominate subneting IP
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21:13<amr>please help my set my graphical card driver
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21:20<amr>please help my set my graphical card driver
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21:26<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
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21:28<amr>hi I want to set my graphical driver
21:28<amr>please help
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21:28<nevyn>amr: what card do you have?
21:28<amr>how can I know, it's hp labtop pavilion g6
21:29<nevyn>type lspci|grep VIDEO
21:31*dvs thought it was VGA
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21:32<amr>netheir work
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21:39<owen>Hi all. lspci lists 01:00.0 as my vga card. Does this traslate into 0,1,0,0 for pci_device_find_by_slot ?
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21:51<rayj>I am learning on Wheezy Beta1, command line only.
21:51<rayj>I am trying to access the USB stick which was the installation media.
21:51<rayj>When I look for devices with and without the stick plugged in, the difference is sdc and sdc1 labeled as floppy. The box has 2 ssds.
21:51<rayj>When I try to mount either 'floppy' or 'sdc' or 'sdc1', I get a message saying the device is not defined.
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21:56<rayj>I am learning on Wheezy Beta1, command line only.
21:56<rayj>I am trying to access the USB stick which was the installation media.
21:56<rayj>When I look for devices with and without the stick plugged in, the difference is sdc and sdc1 labeled as floppy. The box has 2 ssds.
21:56<rayj>When I try to mount either 'floppy' or 'sdc' or 'sdc1', I get a message saying the device is not defined.
21:57<rayj>How can I mount the stick?
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21:58<joseph-soares>how do I connect using ifconfig? I have an router that it's dhcp is, but it's working just like a hub.. And I have a 'nano' that generates ip like How do I connect using ifconfig 192.168.2.* ?
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22:00<jpinx>joseph-soares: ifconfig eth<whatever> 192.168.<whatever> up
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22:03<joseph-soares>I'm doing that, but when I try sudo apt-get update nothing works
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22:06<joseph-soares>I can ping to others computers, but I cant access internet
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22:10<joseph-soares>jpinx, ok, thanks4
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22:20<joseph-soares>is there how to configure my sistem to execute some operations before login? For example: connect the net, execute some scripts?
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22:35<rSw>i have weird question how do i enable user account so in shell they can see last commands entered because now when i press up it just shows some characters
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22:50<joseph-soares>hi, how configure network on startup system
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22:52<Not_Jak>Hello, I'm running into an annoying problem. Every time I reboot, the kernel images and initramfs are deleted from my /boot partition. Does anyone know why this is happening, and/or how to fix it?
22:53<Not_Jak>*kernel image
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23:11<soliloquy1>I would like my GTK3 theme to stretch instead of cutting off my background-image, but when i tell it to do so, it just stops drawing background-image entirely
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23:14<joseph-soares>is there how to send message from comp a to another computer b, on the same network?
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23:15<Not_Jak>joseph-soares: Could you be a bit more specific?
23:16<joseph-soares>Not_Jak, I have two (or more) computers at the same local network. How do I send a simple message from a computer-01 to another computer-02
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23:16<Not_Jak>joseph-soares, what kind of message? Like a pop-up? Do you want it to run in a specific app/protocol?
23:17<joseph-soares>Not_Jak, Yes, a message like a pop-up sounds fine for me. sender could send from terminal and receiver could receive on gtk dialog or other way
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23:19<joseph-soares>Not_Jak, For example. Computer-01 is under IP and computer-02 is under
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23:19<Not_Jak>joseph-soares, does this web page help at all?
23:20<Not_Jak>It has poor grammar, but the information may be useful
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23:25<joseph-soares>Not_Jak, And if I don't care use any dialog, Is it possible use somethink like mail or write?
23:25<Not_Jak>joseph-soares: Would the 'wall' command be of use to you?
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23:27<joseph-soares>Not_Jak, how it's common usage?
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23:29<Not_Jak>wall "Message!"
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23:29<joseph-soares>Not_Jak, how do I say remote computer I want to send this message
23:29<Not_Jak>Hold on, I think "wall" might not work, as it appears to work on only one machine
23:31<Not_Jak>joseph-soares: It appears that you might want to use xmessage. You'll have to look it up, though - I have no idea how to use it
23:33<joseph-soares>Not_Jak, Ok, thank you. You helped a lot
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23:35<Not_Jak>joseph-soares: Sure thing. Also, look up rwall - it might also work, and possibly require less work to set up
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23:39<joseph-soares>Not_Jak, Thank you.
23:40<Not_Jak>joseph-soares, sure thing!
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23:57<xjjk>hello! anyone use systemd w/ Debian?
23:57<xjjk>how well is it integrated? Upstart isn't integrated very well at all…
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