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---Logopened Sun Aug 26 00:00:45 2012
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00:52<Aleric>(I figured out that apt-cacher-ng does work... my problem was an instable network driver in the debian stable netinst)
00:55<kazi>Hi all, I've install debian 6.04 lxde 32bit on my desktop. I'm trying to install a .deb package but couldn't figure out how because when I double click a downloaded file it asked to select application for that particular program. What should I do?
00:57<kazi>How to know where the debian package installer is located on my desktop?
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00:58<Aleric>Most people use the commandline to install packages.
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00:59<Aleric>You'd install a foo.deb by typing as root: dpkg -i foo.deb
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00:59<Aleric>But really, you should be using apt-get
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01:01<kazi>I've tried to install firefox latest from the terminal but it doesn't work for me. Now I need to install odesk team application for my desktop. But there is no available version of that for debian 32bit but 64bit app is available. If I download its ubuntu 32bit version will it be run on debian?
01:01<Aleric>Hmm, I like the speed of my new 8 core, 32 GB ram, SSD powered PC... I just saw it install GTK and X in a fraction of a second :)
01:02<kazi>maybe silly question but I need to solve this issue. I'm a newbie in debian
01:03<Aleric>yes, you can almost always use ubuntu .deb's.. the exception being admin packages (that install stuff in /etc - OS configuration thus).
01:03<Aleric>So, use debian packages, but if they don't exist - it's pretty sure ok to use a .deb from another source.
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01:06<kazi>which version will be compatible for debian 6.04? appz for ubuntu 10.10? ubuntu 11.04? or the latest 12.04?
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01:44<ectospasm>kazi: as a general rule, I'd avoid Ubuntu .debs... just asking for headache (whether it be dependency hell, or whatever). Just because you *can* do it doesn't mean you should.
01:45<ectospasm>...and going to either #ubuntu or #debian for support will be problematic at best.
01:45<ectospasm>better off installing from source
01:45<ectospasm>...the Debian way
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02:59<matlock>so my volume control changed
02:59<matlock>and i want the other one back
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03:01<matlock>this is the one I see
03:01<matlock>and this is the one i want
03:01<matlock>how to make the old new again?
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03:45<alvarezp>Hi. I installed bind9 and set my resolver to and ::1. I would expect that if I do dig @localhost, say, three times in a row, while tcpdump-ing on my Internet interface, I would see only one DNS request going out to the Internet. I'm actually seeing three requests.
03:46<alvarezp>Granted, I'm not seeing the recursive requests to the roots, only to the google server, but I would have expected the other two requests to be solved locally.
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04:13<milo>is it safe to remove empathy?
04:13<milo>when i remove it, is it also a part of gnome desktop env?
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04:15<ectospasm>milo64: removing empathy may remove some GNOME-related metapackages, but it should be safe to remove
04:16<ectospasm>unless your disk space is really scarce, it won't hurt to keep it, either.
04:16<ectospasm>I apparently have empathy installed but I don't use it
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04:17<ectospasm>isn't it the Gnomish version of Pidgin?
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04:18<yoyoma>Hi, how do I make a Live USB out of a Live Debian .iso?
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04:19<ectospasm>yoyoma: it should already be in a format to just dd directly to the USB device
04:19<yoyoma>ectospasm what is dd?
04:20<ectospasm>yoyoma: dd if=/path/tol/LiveDebian.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M << NOTE: Plug in your USB stick, and check dmesg to determine what device your USB stick is
04:20<ectospasm>yoyoma: dd is a direct copy tool
04:21<ectospasm>low level, can copy entire discs
04:21<yoyoma>where do I type that command?
04:21<ectospasm>yoyoma: if you need nonvolatile storage on the Live image, it's trickier
04:21<ectospasm>yoyoma: at your favorite Linux shell prompt
04:21<yoyoma>what if I use windows 7?
04:22<ectospasm>yoyoma: Ubuntu has a guide for you, hang on
04:23<yoyoma>wish me luck
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04:23<ectospasm>take luck
04:23<milo64>ectospasm, empathy doesn't go well with X, you remembered that it doesn't work for me. So, i tried pidgin. It works! :D
04:24<milo64>ectospasm, he left
04:24<ectospasm>yes, I know
04:24<ectospasm>milo64: I work for the guy who originally wrote the predecessor to Pidgin (Gaim)
04:25<ectospasm>well, to say I work for him is a stretch
04:25<ectospasm>I work for the company he founded
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04:26<milo64>ectospasm, congrats.
04:26<milo64>so if i have trouble with pidgin. i can contact you
04:26<ectospasm>nope, I don't use it
04:27<ectospasm>I use weechat + bitlbee for all my IM needs
04:27<ectospasm>...and I only use bitlbee for work
04:27<ectospasm>...jabber at work
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04:49<milo64>oh god! :D I love debian. I wanna donate. Do you accept visa or paypal?
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04:52<WannaFunk>hi there
04:52<WannaFunk>Is it possible to add packages to live distribution?
04:53*milo64 hides
04:53<WannaFunk>I'm running squeeze from USB
04:54*milo64 wishes WannaFunk doesn't squeeze debian
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05:03<devil>WannaFunk: on usb it should be, except for kernel
05:04<WannaFunk>devil: I have installed gparted, but when I rebooted it was gone
05:04<WannaFunk>there is no consistent documentation about persistency
05:05<devil>WannaFunk: well, you need persistency, of course
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05:06<WannaFunk>probably my system is not enough persistent.
05:08<WannaFunk>I found a guide here: where it says to label the persistent partition with label "persistence"...other guides say live-rw...other home-rw
05:09<WannaFunk>what the hell!
05:09<devil>WannaFunk: maybe this helps:
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05:10<devil>should work accordingly on debian proper
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05:11<devil>the persist part at least. the fromiso needs an extra package not in debian (yet)
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05:14<Cranvil>Some weeks ago I tried an installation from a usb live system onto another usb flash drive. Because of previous attempts I was surprised that this installation worked on several computers now. I don't remember if it was Wheezy or Squeeze -.-
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05:17<WannaFunk>Cranvil, was it a persistent live usb?
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05:18<WannaFunk>I mean, can you install packages on the usb?
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05:22<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
05:23<Cranvil>WannaFunk: It wasn't persistancy like it is ususally known. It was more like a regular install as you would do to your hard disk.
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05:34<Cranvil>WannaFunk: The Debian Live Manual may be helpful ( and
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05:36<johnoo>hello how to install debian throug wifi ?
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05:37<johnoo>installer didn't take my name of wifi or pass
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05:37<johnoo>if somebody wanna help me i will give hime more details
05:38<milo64>johnoo, what debian version are you installing?
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05:38<johnoo>newest 6.05
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05:39<milo64>johnoo, hm... try graphic install
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05:41<johnoo>milo64: hmm problem because graphic is the same like normal only with graphic menus (no wifi finder i can't search my wifi) and if i started live i think i have something with ram because there i can not start gui install ...
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05:42<johnoo>milo64: any solution ?
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05:42<milo64>johnoo, squeeze don't support new wifi adapters
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05:42<milo64>johnoo, or there might not even be a solution even with supported hardware.
05:43<gruetzkopf>johnoo, what kind of wiki adapter is it
05:43<johnoo>no ? hmm but in live session ye
05:43<gruetzkopf>some need firmware from a usb disk
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05:43<milo64>gruetzkopf, wifi*
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05:44<johnoo>it isn't new my laptop is 4 years old lenovo x61 {how can i now it from terminal ? }
05:44<gruetzkopf>phone keyboard
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05:45<johnoo>give me a sec
05:45<gruetzkopf>should be a intel wifi card
05:46<johnoo>gruetzkopf: -PCI Devices-
05:46<johnoo>Host bridge : Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub (rev 0c)
05:46<johnoo>VGA compatible controller : Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) (rev 0c) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
05:46<johnoo>Display controller : Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (secondary) (rev 0c)
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05:50<milo64>debhelper, bad guy! Why can't you just warn him at the first time, then if he does it the second time, you can kick him :(
05:50<milo64>or her
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05:54<milo64>johnoo, don't worry. you did nothing wrong.
05:54<milo64>debhelper just doesn't have manner.
05:54<johnoo>Fu thank you
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05:54<johnoo>milo64: do you know how to help me ?
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05:55<milo64>johnoo, i didn't catch the wifi device.
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05:55<johnoo>(fu not like fck you but fu is in slovakia like wowo big deal tec ... sorry )
05:55<johnoo>aha ok
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05:57<johnoo>milo64: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
05:58<milo64>johnoo, that should support
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05:59<milo64>johnoo, i think the installer does not have that feature
05:59<milo64>johnoo, you can make that a wishlist.
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06:00<johnoo>milo64: it's (lenovo x61 4years old laptop i think isn't problem with hw device) i just don't know if is ssid of my wifi same like essid in and my network has wpa security ? and i didnt give wpa pass only wep ...
06:00<johnoo>what's wishlist
06:00<milo64>johnoo, is wlan your only choice? eth is recommended
06:01<Cranvil>johnoo: ssid and essid are often interchangeable. But the Squeeze Installer cannot handle WPA authentication.
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06:01<johnoo>Cranvil: hmm that's the problem
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06:02<johnoo>i tried download cd
06:02<johnoo>{i have only 1 Mb/s}
06:02<johnoo>debian is on my pc but i can't connect to wifi in system
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06:04<milo64>johnoo, woah... that's lot of speed. i only have 300 KB/s
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06:04<johnoo>i have another linux {mint} i can download what i need but i don't know what i have to
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06:05<johnoo>yes you have but my 1 Mb is 110 KB/s hmm image with cd1 was 2.5 -3 hod for me
06:05<Cranvil>johnoo: You could install Debian from a disk 1 image (CD or DVD) and activate wifi in a later stage (after a desktop environment with network manager is installed).
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06:08<johnoo>Cranvil: i have problem becaus i tried to start in gnome terminal network-manager and it says something like bash: don't know command there i can not use sudo only su root ... (i think thats same but i don't know where is problem)
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06:09<Cranvil>johnoo: So network-manager (or more specifically its applet in the "systray") is not loaded automatically?
06:10<johnoo>no: i installed system from cd 1 i log to gui and i didn't find network manager
06:12<johnoo>i tried download deb package network-manager.deb (thats system thing) and network manager gnome .deb (thing for me ) and terminal sayd need more packages or something like that ...
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06:14<devil>johnoo: apt-get -f install will fetch those missing dependencies
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06:14<milo64>apt-get install -f
06:14<devil>both work.
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06:16<johnoo>yes guys but if i haven't installed network manager i think i'm not connected to internet or yes ???
06:17<devil>how would we know?
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06:17<Cranvil>johnoo: If there is no other connection available you could use wpasupplicant directly (man wpa_supplicant) until you have installed network-manager
06:17<devil>johnoo: ping -c 1
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06:37<milo64>i am on a laptop and the beep command does not work
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06:56<devil>maybe 'xset b on ' helps
06:57<project2501a>hey guys. what does event-modules in d-i do, please?
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06:57<project2501a>i googled around but all i am getting is the squeeze/wheezy/sid package page
06:59<dutchfish>project2501a, package contains event drivers for the kernel |
06:59<dutchfish>project2501a, also
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07:00<project2501a>hey dutchfish! thank you.
07:00<dutchfish>project2501a, yw :)
07:00<project2501a>what's an event driver?
07:00<dutchfish>project2501a, prolly ment for inserted all kind of drivers/fs/stuff on install time when detected
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07:01<dutchfish>project2501a, scrool the bin list in
07:01<project2501a>so, why would you *not* need an event module built in, in the first place?
07:01<project2501a>embedded stuff?
07:02<project2501a>space consideration?
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07:02<project2501a>man, i am slow today
07:02<dutchfish>project2501a, because it is userland not kernel
07:02<project2501a>cannot concentrate.
07:02<project2501a>fuse stuff.
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07:03<dutchfish> ~sortoff
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07:05<project2501a>ah. so this package is a part of the kernel which is meant to push things out of the kernel and into userland.
07:05<dutchfish>project2501a, i do not know how big it is, but it is pretty essential
07:06<dutchfish>project2501a, more like loading the apropriate stuff on install time
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07:06<project2501a>yeah, i am just doing an installation right now an i am not very happy with just seeing a module being loaded without at least a minimal description of what it is.
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07:06<dutchfish>project2501a, you could delve into the source or read its docs
07:07<project2501a>i could, but i don't want to. right now, my curiosity would be satisfied with a 3 sentence paragraph describing what each module is.
07:08<project2501a>except of course the obvious one. but there should be a page (at least in the wiki) with a list of descriptions for each loadable module during d-i
07:08<dutchfish>project2501a, well, its a udeb, so not normally installed in the system apart form being used at instaltime.
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07:08<project2501a>shit, i will compile one, if i knew what each does.
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07:08<project2501a>udev != udeb correct?
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07:09<dpkg>A .udeb is a special binary <package> containing Debian-Installer modules, or "regular debian packages that are not <policy> compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great Debian genius. These are not intended for installation on a normal system.
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07:09<project2501a>( i apologize if i am asking stupid questions )
07:10<dutchfish>project2501a, no problem, there are no stupid q, only stupid answers ;)
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07:14<project2501a>one more question
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07:14<project2501a>there is an option to enable user/group quotas , when formatting a partition with btrfs
07:14<project2501a>well, when partitioning
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07:14<project2501a>but when i try to move to the next menu item during d-i
07:15<project2501a>i get a red screen with "unsupported option" in F4
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07:41<Josua>Hello everyone, I am trying to make suEXEC work with FCGI but I get 500 internal server error all the time when I execute PHP
07:42<Josua>It is a fresh install of Debian 6 and I have followed this guide in detail:
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07:57<Josua>no one ?
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10:06<nicelyToasted>if im running squeeze, but also point to wheezy and apt-pin it below squeeze - when i install a package with 'apt-get -t wheezy' will the dependencies still come from squeeze if they are new enough, or will they all come from wheezy?
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10:08<gnugr>nicelyToasted:never mix stable with testing in any way
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10:10<nicelyToasted>gnugr: yeah, i know. but do you know how apt will behave?
10:11<gnugr>nicelyToasted:with stable you can use backports
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10:27<project2501a>hey guys, i am doing some dhclient foo... apparently the dhclient.conf man page is not in sync with what the client does. specifically the man page states that the do-forward-updates statement takes a true/false flag .
10:27<project2501a>the isc dhclient itself disagrees
10:27<abrotman>file a bug
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10:39<Aleric>What's the best application to burn an .iso to a DVD+R ?
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10:45<amitz>how stable is ath5k these days? am i crazy to repurpose a netbook to be a wireless router?
10:45<amitz>in debian squeeze
10:45<abrotman>i think it's been stable for awhile
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10:46<toni_>do you know how can I suspend my pc as normal user?
10:46<amitz>Aleric: a distro chooses brasero
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10:46<toni_>for example: in gnome2, as user I can suspend my pc
10:46<abrotman>toni_: what happens when you try ?
10:46<toni_>I'd like to suspend it when I'm in twm for example
10:46<toni_>I can suspend my pc with s2ram command
10:47<toni_>which requires root priviles
10:47<Cozminsky>What's a good diagnostic program for a 3d card? I'm getting issues in windows but don't seem to be having problems with my system under debian, at least with glxgears
10:47<toni_>how does gnome2 do without requiring root privileges?
10:47<Cozminsky>anything a bit more stressful?
10:47<abrotman>Cozminsky: makes ure your windows driver is up to date
10:47<Cozminsky>abrotman: it is
10:47<abrotman>Cozminsky: otherwise, play a game in Debian ? :)
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10:47<Cozminsky>abrotman: and it only started today
10:48<Cozminsky>abrotman: trying to rule out hardware failure
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10:48<Aleric>amitz: Yeah, I found that... I just installed debian with netinst, but it looks again way way way different then I'm used to :(. Right-clicking on the desktop does nothing, there is no panel where I can add applications... so far I haven't even been able to figure out how to start a terminal! This new setup totally sucks :(
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10:50<gdb>Aleric: Are you referring to Squeeze or Wheezy?
10:50<Aleric>I had to install debian/testing, because stable didn't work (unstable nic driver)
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10:51<gdb>Aleric: Ah, then you may want to seek assistance in #debian-next. Suffice it to say that GNOME Shell, out of the box, isn't a desktop, it's just a window manager. You have to enable the desktop features using Gnome Tweak Tool.
10:51<Aleric>Actually no idea which of the two you mention that is.
10:51<gdb>Squeeze = stable, Wheezy = testing
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10:52<gdb>Squeez comes with GNOME Panel (gnome 2) and is a full desktop. Wheezy comes with (well, until it's (as rumored) changed to XFCE) GNOME Shell (gnome 3) which does not provide a full desktop out of the box, but only after tweaking it. While it's perhaps a religious debate, I've fled to KDE.
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10:54<warbaque>I changed name of lvm volumegroup where my root was and it doesn't want to boot anymore, how should I fix this?
10:55<gdb>warbaque: You'll want to rename it back using a rescue image and the lvm command, then once you boot, you can rename it to what you want and make sure to update your initrd image before rebooting again.
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10:58<warbaque>gdb: I can't just try to mount correct devices, continue with boot and then rebuild inird?
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11:00<magyar>hi, how do I change the soundcard priority in wheezy, my hdmi soundcatrd seems to be in precedence over sound blaster
11:00<gdb>warbaque: Well, perhaps! But grub's command line is a bit of a mystery to me and I've never found any documentation on it that "works for me in a pinch" (i.e.; I find it easier and faster to do the "the hard way" than trying to interpret the documentation -- just takes me less time).
11:00<gdb>Since it's an issue I've encountered maybe twice.. ;-)
11:01<gdb>warbaque: You might be able to skip the rename it back step with rescue mode, come to think of it.
11:01<gdb>warbaque: Just boot the resuce mode, mount your root appropriately, re-run mkinitrd, and reboot.
11:02<gdb>As for doing that from the grub command line *without* resorting to a rescue image, I hope someone else can help with that because I'm unable to.
11:03<warbaque>i'm currently in initramfs and I'm quite sure there's some wizardy that could be done :)
11:04<gdb>It's very likely! :-)
11:04<gdb>I've run into that issue before renaming LVs in cloned VMs and like I said, I've never found a documented procedure that was clear enough to me that it didn't take less time to just do it "the hard way" so I never learned what is likely the "correct" solution to the problem.
11:05<Aleric>magyar: Somewhere in /etc
11:05<Aleric>kernel modules department I think...
11:06<ectospasm>gdb: as with many things, there may be more than one way to do things, and ain't none of them right
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11:06<gdb>too true!
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11:08<gdb> -- this may be helpful, perhaps (if you know where boot is)
11:09<gdb> -- has some other commands that may be helpful in exploring the disk's content prior to picking which partition to boot from
11:09<Aleric>magyar: I have in /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf the lines: alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1 and options snd-emu10k1 index=0
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11:10<Aleric>and in alsa-base-blacklist.conf: blacklist snd-pcsp
11:10<warbaque>gdb: just had to press e on grub menu and change root device name
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11:17<kharisma>cuuy cara install di xubuntu gimana seh ?
11:17<magyar>Aleric: I dont have that file
11:17<safinaskar>kharisma: english please
11:17<abrotman>kharisma: #xubuntu on
11:18<Aleric>magyar: just create it, it reads everything in that directory
11:18<Aleric>What's the command again to add myself to a new group (the ones printed with 'groups')?
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11:18<kharisma>mhow to install google chrome on xubuntu?
11:19<abrotman>kharisma: #xubuntu on
11:19<abrotman>kharisma: this is a Debian support channel, not Xubuntu
11:20<Aleric>magyar: of course you should start with finding out the names of the kernel modules that belong to your sound cards (lsmod)
11:20<safinaskar>kharisma: sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
11:20<kharisma>oh .maaf salah
11:20<kharisma>lalu debian itu apa?
11:20<Aleric>magyar: There is another way to do it... but I can't remember :( bad memory
11:20<safinaskar>kharisma: nobody understand you. speak english
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11:21<kharisma>oh. sorry wrong
11:21<kharisma>debian then what?
11:21<safinaskar>kharisma: sorry. that command installs chromium, not chrome. but they are similar, so this doesn't matter
11:21<abrotman>safinaskar: this is NOT a xubuntu support channel, go with him to #xubuntu on
11:21<abrotman>you're offtopic here
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11:21<safinaskar>abrotman: i just want to help this man
11:22<abrotman>safinaskar: do it in #xubuntu, good luck
11:22<abrotman>we do not support debian-based distros here, too many of them with far too many differences
11:23<magyar>thanks Aleric, I'll try
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11:24<kharisma>discussed the debian desktop is not it?
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11:24<abrotman>kharisma: Xubuntu is offtopic in this channel, go to #xubuntu on for support
11:25<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
11:25<abrotman>safinaskar: please read the above also
11:25<safinaskar>abrotman: ooh, abrotman showed banhammer
11:25<kharisma>oke thanks brother :)
11:25<safinaskar>abrotman: okey, okey. i understand
11:26*abrotman cleans the ban list ...
11:26<abrotman>eh ..
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11:29<abrotman>lots of people .. did you have a question ?
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11:31<vokevybez>abrotman: i downloaded the mugen executable (win32) but when i run it it outputs i have the file and its permissions are set to everyone
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11:32<sney>vokevybez: win32? this is #debian, do you have a debian question? (and if your last question was debian related, how?)
11:33<vokevybez>abrotman: via wine i mean
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11:33<vokevybez>using debian squeeze
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11:34<sney>vokevybez: and you're running it from the directory relative to that file?
11:34<vokevybez>sney: yes running it in its folder
11:35<vokevybez>sney : there is a linux executable that outputs
11:35<vokevybez>in the same folder
11:36<sney>does that application have a linux faq or something that covers this issue?
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11:38<vokevybez>sney : I do not thinks so its a windows application but it did come with a linux executable alongside the windows executable
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11:40<sney>vokevybez: so if it is installed to /home/yourname/mugen and the config file is /home/yourname/mugen/data/mugen.config, you have done: cd mugen; ./mugen ?
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11:43<vokevybez>sney : yes I have it fails and outputs but the main configuration file is mugen.cfg
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11:44<sney>vokevybez: sorry, you'll have to get support from the people who made it, if it's not a path problem or a permissions problem then it's not a debian issue, it's the program itself
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11:45<Josua>I currently have a Xeon server with 2x X5650 CPUs and 16GB memory on a fresh install of Debian 6 with Apache MPM and FastCGI but response times are very slow. Just handling 10.000 requests takes a damn long time. Could anyone give some advice ?
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11:45<vokevybez>sney : that's too bad, I will try to do so, thanks for the help ^_^
11:46<ectospasm>Josua: be more specific... requests for what?
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11:46<Apollo>Josua: how are you measuring this?
11:46<ectospasm>Oh, I can't read. Sory
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11:46<Josua>ab -n 10000 -c 1000 -r
11:47<Josua>mean: 50% 2929 but just to get to 90% is 13378
11:47<Josua>and it finishes at 157533
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11:48<abrotman>Josua: rdns ?
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11:49<Apollo>Josua: check out nginx
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11:52<Josua>Apollo: allready have, but I find it very hard to setup
11:52<Apollo>Josua: which mpm worker are you using?
11:53<Apollo>is on the same machine as the one you're running ab from?
11:53<Josua>apache2-mpm-worker libapache2-mod-fcgid
11:53<Josua>no two different servers
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11:54<Apollo>the issue is probably bandwith related
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11:55<Apollo>try running it from the same machine
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11:57<Josua>Just tried it - almost same results
11:59<Apollo>alright, have you looked online for comparable server results?
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11:59<Apollo>how is your serverload while running these commands
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12:00<Apollo>is a great resource for this
12:00<Apollo>it's entirely possible that your disk or something is bottlenecking you
12:02<Josua>Will just take a look. I do think however that some of it is in part due to the mySQL settings - if I test on a static php page I have very fine response times
12:02<Apollo>this is the first time you mention using mysql...
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12:04<Josua>Right, sry thought I had mentionted it
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12:05<Apollo>then yes, mysql is your bottleneck
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12:06<Josua>I allready have tried to optimize the my.cnf settings. What should I do then ?
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12:06<Apollo>take a look at caching infrastructures like memcached
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12:07<Apollo>I also think this is way beyond the scope of #debian
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12:08<Josua>right, I will have to digg deepter into those things then. Thanks
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12:33<gilson>boa tarde
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12:33<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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12:45<txt_file>I have a problem with alsa. The default sound-card should be the ‚SB‘ and i want to use the usb for speech (voip). how do i tell alsa to use the SB as default.
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13:22<alchemek>I have a Samsung N145-JP02, and I have an intel 100 series wifi card that isn't being detected
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13:23<alchemek>I installed the appropriate firmware:
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13:23<alchemek>and I followed the directions
13:23<alchemek>but it's still not working
13:23<tale>alchemek: In what way is it not working?
13:23<alchemek>05:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation WiFi 100 Series
13:23<alchemek>that's from lspci
13:23<alchemek>it's not working AT ALL
13:24<alchemek>I can't scan for wireless networks, and I can't manually connect to a network
13:24<tale>alchemek: How are you trying to use it?
13:24<alchemek>I'm using the NetworkManager
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13:24<alchemek>and I was attempting to use wicd
13:24<alchemek>but NetworkManager works on Linux Mint 13 after I tried it from a live CD, so I know my wireless card does in fact work
13:25<tale>alchemek: Check with lsmod that you really do have the kernel modules loaded.
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13:25<alchemek>Module Size Used by
13:25<alchemek>iwlagn 63391 0
13:25<alchemek>iwlcore 67522 1 iwlagn
13:25<alchemek>mac80211 123586 2 iwlagn,iwlcore
13:25<alchemek>led_class 1757 1 iwlcore
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13:26<alchemek>yes, it's loaded
13:26<tale>alchemek: The topic shows pastebin address, use that next time.
13:26<alchemek>iwlagn 63391 0
13:26<tale>alchemek: What version of debian are you using?
13:26<alchemek>Debian Squeeze 6.0.5
13:27<tale>alchemek: What does iwconfig show?
13:27<sney_>alchemek: some intel wifi cards need a newer kernel than the 2.6.32 available in squeeze, try the 3.2 kernel from squeeze-backports.
13:27<alchemek>lo no wireless extensions.
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13:27<alchemek>eth0 no wireless extensions.
13:27<skinnyfatguy>Quick question: Would the intel video driver from their git repo work with debian wheezy xorg?
13:27<alchemek>pan0 no wireless extensions.
13:28<alchemek>oh, thanks, perlwizard lol
13:28<alchemek>OK, after tale is finished asking questions and trying to figure out my problem, I will probably use backports
13:29<sney_>skinnyfatguy: maybe, is that just the X driver or the kernel module as well?
13:29<tale>alchemek: That no wireless extensions show you do not have a working driver. Try the 3.2 kernel.
13:29<alchemek>alright, thanks
13:30<alchemek>yeah, that makes quite a lot of sense
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13:30<alchemek>after installing the firmware, it should work
13:30<alchemek>but it's not
13:30<alchemek>so yeah
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13:30<skinnyfatguy>sney_: I think its just the xorg part. Not really sure though the whole X server seems opaque to me:)
13:32<sney_>skinnyfatguy: is there some new feature available in the bleeding edge driver?
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13:32<skinnyfatguy>sney_: Well, the version in debian doesn't support any acceleration on the graphics card in this pc.
13:33<sney_>doesn't support, or is it the shadow thing
13:33<alchemek>what is the package name of the Linux kernel update?
13:33<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.5-trunk-686-pae (3.5.2-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.2.23-1~bpo60+2); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
13:33<skinnyfatguy>sney_: The shadow thing I think. I tried the workaround but it still didn't enable any sort of acceleration.
13:34<txt_file>I have a problem with alsa. The default sound-card should be the ‚SB‘ and i want to use the usb for speech (voip). how do i tell alsa to use the SB as default.
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13:34<sney_>txt_file: with asoundrc
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13:35<txt_file>sney_: more information please
13:35<skinnyfatguy>sney_: I don't want whiz bang wooosh graphics, just smooth text scrolling. If I can get that with the debian driver some how I'd be amazingly happy.
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13:36<alchemek>I still haven't been able to figure out what the package name is for a kernel update. sorry
13:37<alchemek>thank you
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13:38<txt_file>alchemek: depending on your arch and wanted version you want
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13:41<sney_>txt_file: more information = google asoundrc. it's documented on and other places. In order to tell you the syntax I would have to look it up myself.
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13:42<txt_file>sney_: kk
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13:46<alchemek>now I've been given a message that device names will change and I might have to configure some configuration files, but it doesn't seem to be doing anything now
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13:46<tale>alchemek: Did you install the new kernel?
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13:47<alchemek>I believe so, because nothing is happening now. I left for a few minutes and came back, so I'm assuming it's installed. should I restart and see if my wireless works, even though I can't quit the note without telling me that I'm terminating the terminal?
13:47<alchemek>without it*
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13:47<tale>alchemek: You have to reboot to get the new kernel running.
13:47<alchemek>'K, I'll reboot now
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13:49<CJI>I'm trying to installl a program on Debian-squeeze, but getting this error:
13:49<CJI>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
13:49<CJI> initscripts : Breaks: console-setup (< 1.74) but 1.68+squeeze2 is to be installed
13:49<CJI> python-apt : Breaks: python-software-properties (< 0.70.debian-1+) but 0.60.debian-3 is to be installed
13:49<CJI>E: Broken packages
13:49-!-CJI was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use or /msg dpkg paste]
13:49<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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13:51<CJI>initscripts : Breaks: console-setup (< 1.74) but 1.68+squeeze2 is to be installed
13:51<txt_file>!tell CJI about paste
13:51<CJI> python-apt : Breaks: python-software-properties (< 0.70.debian-1+) but 0.60.debian-3 is to be installed
13:51<CJI>E: Broken packages
13:51<CJI>do you know how this can be fixed?
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13:52<tale>CJI: What version Debian?
13:52<txt_file>at first we need the full log
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13:52<CJI>I'm trying to install a program named 'sikuli' java based
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13:53<alchemek>my wireless still doesn't work
13:53<tale>CJI: That does not seem to be a debian package.
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13:54<alchemek>what do I do now?
13:54<alchemek>I installed the firmware I'm supposed to, I checked iwconfig and it still says no wireless extensions
13:54<tale>alchemek: You have installed the modules for this kernel?
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13:55<CJI>here is the full log:
13:55<alchemek>how would I do that? wouldn't it be automatically installed?
13:55<tale>alchemek: You did it previously, the wiki page you showed.
13:56<txt_file>alchemek: have you tried this website?
13:56<alchemek>oh, you mean, did I install the modules for my firmware with this kernel? no. I'll try that now
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13:57<alchemek>nope, haven't tried this site
13:57<tale>alchemek: What does "uname -a" show?
13:58<alchemek>it says my wireless works
13:58<alchemek>it still says I'm running linux 2.6.32
13:58<alchemek>I installed the latest, though
13:58<alchemek>how do I enable it to run?
13:59<alchemek>oh wow
13:59<ectospasm>alchemek: "the latest" always and forevermore will mean _nothing_
13:59<alchemek>that site you gave me says my wireless driver works on v2.6.38-
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14:00<alchemek>well, I mean, I have linux 3.2.something
14:00<alchemek>but it's not enabled
14:00<alchemek>since I'm running 2.6.32, that explains why my wireless isn't working
14:00<ectospasm>alchemek: the only kernel version that matters right now is the one returned by uname -r
14:01<alchemek>OK, well, I installed the latest Debian Squeeze backports image is what I'm saying
14:01<alchemek>so how do I enable it?
14:01<ectospasm>alchemek: usually you have to reboot to get it
14:01<tale>alchemek: You boot, and choose on GRUB2 screen the kernel you want.
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14:01<ectospasm>unless you use kslice, but that's voodoo magic (and non-free, IIRC)
14:01<alchemek>it didn't appear that I could choose a new kernel, but I suppose I'll check again
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14:02<skinnyfatguy>sney_: Hmm, the git driver "seems" to be working.
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14:03<lacrosse1992>hello, what would be the best way to only allow certain mac addresses to join a network? (using a debian box as a router)
14:04<alchemek>OK, well, when I input "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae" it shows this: (one sec, let me paste it in
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14:05<alchemek>so it doesn't appear to be fully installed
14:05<alchemek>after this, though, I can't seem to do anything
14:05<sney_>you have to press 'q' when that is on the screen and then it'll finish the install
14:05<alchemek>I mean, not after this: it's stuck on this little message
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14:05<alchemek>thank you
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14:08<alchemek>this link is this on somewhere? it's very very helpful
14:08<alchemek>but thank you very much for helping me
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14:12<alchemek>OK, in the boot screen after loading kernel 3.2, it said "no suitable firmware found" for iwlwifi
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14:12<alchemek>so my wireless still doesn't work
14:13<alchemek>I'll try disconnecting my ethernet
14:13<alchemek>one sec
14:13<ectospasm>alchemek: does the appropriate firmware exist in /lib/firmware?
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14:13<txt_file>alchemek: no … it is a website build and maintained by
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14:17<sney_>alchemek: you also need the updated firmware-iwlwifi from backports to go with your kernel
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14:18<txt_file>maybe this?
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14:21<dierot>Hello, would someone tell me how to back up my Debian pc?
14:22<tale>dierot: What backup media do you have? What kind of backup do you want?
14:22<lacrosse1992>you could use dd for a full backup image
14:23<dierot>I think I mostly need advice on the options...
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14:23<tale>!tell dierot about ask
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14:31<gpm>hi. i'm having a strange problem where my pci wireless adapter's mac address changes every time i reboot. any clues how i can put a stop to that?
14:31<dierot>tale: can i use a luks usb-hdd?
14:31<tale>dierot: Who is Luks?
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14:32<tale>dierot: Does Clonezilla make the kind of backup you want?
14:32<dierot>tale: a luks-password protected usb-hdd*
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14:33<tale>dierot: If the disk is password protectid, Clonezilla may not be able to write there.
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14:33<dierot>tale: one minute i'll see this 'clonezilla'. thanks
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14:36<dierot>looks good. a little complicated, but good.
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14:36<txt_file>i still have a problem with alsa does someone know why alsa does not use the SB as default?
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14:39<dierot>tale: the thing is i'm running out of space on my debian, but i still have room on the hdd, so i could make the installation partition lager but it seems dangerous?
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14:42<lacrosse1992>what webserver do you guys prefer?
14:42<ectospasm>lacrosse1992: depends on what you want to do
14:42<ectospasm>...or want it for
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14:43<athul>hi man
14:43<athul>i came
14:43<athul>u der
14:43<ectospasm>apache1 is probably the most mature
14:43<ectospasm>...but I can't be bothered to know whether it's still maintained
14:43<lacrosse1992>would mostly use if for dynamic content, have been giving nginx a try for little over 3-4 months but suddenly it has been giving problems when certain clients connect so i am in the process of reverting to apache again
14:43<athul>mature or bigginer
14:43<athul>y ur not
14:44<athul>dynamicly m usuing yahoo
14:44<athul>only googlge
14:44<athul>n google is usuing appache
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14:45<warbaque>how can I see what messages are displayed during boot if computer boots too fast for you to be actually able to read anything?
14:45<ectospasm>looks like apache is the most popular
14:46<lacrosse1992>think i may give apache a try using fastcgi, and yep still actively maintained, last release on was earlier this month
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14:47<ectospasm>warbaque: there's a way to do it, but I can't for the life of me remember what it is
14:47<lacrosse1992>although i think i will either track down a deb package for one of the new versions (or build from source if needed) as i've heard the newer versions tend to have a nice difference in performance compared to the older versions
14:47<lacrosse1992>one in squeeze repo for instance
14:48<ectospasm>yeah, I've learned that whatever the stable distro is, you'll be lacking modern features most of the time
14:48<cybersphinx>warbaque: bootlogd
14:49<ectospasm>cybersphinx: thanks, that was gonna kill me
14:49<ectospasm>lacrosse1992: but you trade features for stability
14:49<ectospasm>not guaranteed stability, mind you
14:50<warbaque>cybersphinx: I have to create /etc/default/bootlogd file with "BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=yes" I assume?
14:51<lacrosse1992>@ecto indeed, worth giving a try though imo, the websites themselves are not really big ones (town rugby website + pdsite(in development) so slight downtime in case any bugs pop up would not be a big issue at this point in time
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14:54<cybersphinx>warbaque: Seems to work for me without.
14:55<ectospasm>lacrosse1992: I'd think apache2 would be the right choice. widely supported, really flexible, one of the most stable if not THE most stable...
14:55<chealer>!tell warbaque about bootlogd
14:58<sakax>someone using debian on a netbook? how 's the performance in general?
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14:59<devil>a netbook is just another computer
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15:00<sney_>sakax: same as any comparable laptop.
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15:01<ectospasm>sakax: I've found debian to be quite good on my oldish netbook
15:01<ectospasm>(Samsung N110)
15:02<sakax>im currentlt using a puppy variant 'saluki' but i like debian more - i just i am not sure how it will perform on a low resource netbook
15:02<sney_>since there are hundreds of netbook models it's really more useful if you say what the hardware is - though, for the most part, linux is linux when it comes to hardware performance
15:03<sakax>ectospasm: which DE did you use?
15:03<lacrosse1992>@ecto sounds like a good route to go, will be my project for today, one day off b4 courses start again lol so have time to kill
15:03<sney_>the drivers are all the same, for instance
15:03<abrotman>sakax: define low resource?
15:03<sakax>asus 1000he netbook - 1.
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15:03<sakax>1.6ghz cpu with 2Mb value RAM
15:03<abrotman>mb or gb?
15:04<sakax>Gb of course
15:04<sakax>my bad :)
15:04<TobiX>Is that already low resource today?
15:04<abrotman>sakax: more than my netbook has, debian runs great
15:04<ectospasm>sakax: I think Gnome2... now on Gnome3 Classic/Fallback (so it's like Gnome2), and XMonad as the WM
15:05<ectospasm>...but honestly I don't use my netbook much anymore
15:05<ectospasm>it's just drawing power as I keep it charged for emergencies
15:05<abrotman>sakax: i have been using squeeze with lxde
15:05<lacrosse1992>xfce is pretty light on resources as well, use that with wheezey for a dual boot setup
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15:05<ectospasm>I think even after all these years it still keeps a charge longer than my laptop
15:05<sakax>i do use it a lot in fact - i am happy with saluki puppy linux but debian has more possibilities
15:05<sakax>will try it in the next days
15:06<sney_>I have an eee 1000ha that's a little slower than the 1000he and it was fine running squeeze and wheezy. even the kde plasma netbook interface was pretty snappy on it
15:06<abrotman>ive found lxde with some shortcuts to work really well on a netbook
15:06<sakax>abrotman: yes - lxde or xfce are probably the best DE's for netbooks
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15:07<lacrosse1992>although if your looking for eyecandy, emerald + compiz are neat to play around with
15:07<sakax>it would make my life easier to have all machines running debian - only one community to follow :D
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15:08<abrotman>lacrosse1992: on a netbook?
15:08<sakax>netbooks needs functionality first
15:09<lacrosse1992>never tried it on a netbook b4, although if your looking for some mild changes (use compiz for aero snap likes features, window management) i would imagine it would not be too resource hungry, really the main reason why i had used
15:10<lacrosse1992>although i've been trying a bunch of desktop environments lately so do not currently have it setup (it resides in a backup image of my debian partition)
15:11<abrotman>sakax: i'm mildly excited to try gnome3 on my netbook
15:11<ectospasm>I've settled on what I'm gonna stick with
15:11<lacrosse1992>speaking of which, for trying out different evironments, it's really convenient to just make full partition image backups whenever you try something new so you can just switch between things
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15:11<ectospasm>...if I really get fed up with GNOME, I may try XFCE or LXDE, but I *must* use XMonad
15:11<ectospasm>if I can't use XMonad with either, they will be dead to me
15:12<ectospasm>I've invested too much time in XMonad config to ditch it
15:12<ectospasm>sunk costs and all
15:12<ectospasm>my XMonad Haskell configs are too valuable to me to throw away
15:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:12<sakax>ectospasm: :)
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15:12<TobiX>sakax: Or if you don't need/want a full desktop environment, just use one of the many window managers...
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15:12<lacrosse1992>although very "heavy" in comparison to xfce, etc, kde can make a nice setup depending on what you are looking for, would not go over well with a netbook imo though
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15:13<ectospasm>TobiX: true, XMonad, i3m, ratpoison, etc. can all be the DE
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15:14<ectospasm>but I like a weird mix of keyboard and GUI/mouse
15:14<ectospasm>for the stuff I do every day, keyboard shortcuts ftw!
15:14<ectospasm>for the stuff I only use occasionally, clicking a menu suffices.
15:15<lacrosse1992>@ecto always like to configure the extra buttons on my laptop as well, have around 7 extra total (play, pause, web, assist, etc) so can usually find some good uses for them
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15:16<ectospasm>lacrosse1992: I tend not to use the extra, nonstandard buttons on my keyboard
15:16<ectospasm>always painfully out of reach
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15:17<ectospasm>actually, I do use the calculator button occasionally to run gnome-calc
15:17<ectospasm>...or whatever it's called
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15:17<ectospasm>that's actually useful
15:17<lacrosse1992>know what you mean, although at least for some stuff they can be of use (less used functions), just annoys me a little bit not having the doing anything lol
15:17<ectospasm>I need it infrequently enough it doesn't matter
15:17<ectospasm>if it didn't happen automagically with no user config I wouldn't use it
15:18<lacrosse1992>plus i get a thrill out of being able to program debian to use them so easily compared to windows lol
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15:20<lacrosse1992>would ditch windows completely though if it were not for some program compatibility problems (wine does not play nicely with them)
15:20<ectospasm>lacrosse1992: I only use Windows guest VMs sparingly, when I've got software I cannot trust to Wine
15:21<ectospasm> my SAP client
15:21<ectospasm>I probably could have gotten it working in wine, but I just didn't have the time to set it up
15:21<txt_file>sound is working … aplay just errors because it has no chan count
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15:23<lacrosse1992>good for you :) main program thas is a pain is steam atm, would forgo using it at all if not for the few games that only work through it
15:23<ectospasm>lacrosse1992: let's hope Valve is successful with Steam on Linux
15:23<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
15:23<lacrosse1992>would be great if they do accomplish that
15:24<ectospasm>yeah, let's take this to #debian-offtopic
15:25<ectospasm>abrotman: sorry, again
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15:45<CJI>could anyone help on this error?
15:46<sney_>that's not an error, it's a changelog
15:46<sney_>when something like that shows during a package install, press 'q' and the install will continue
15:46<CJI>i'm trying to install a program and getting that error
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15:47<CJI>there is no prompt to enter anything. when should I press 'q'?
15:47<sney_>CJI: the program 'apt-listchanges' shows logs like these to let you know what has changed in the package(s) you are installing. once you have read it, or if you don't feel like reading it, press 'q'
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15:47<sney_>just press it when you see that on the screen. it's like using less
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15:49<CJI>I'm very sorry, this is the right log:
15:49<CJI>forget about the other
15:49<CJI>'unmet dependencies' + broken package
15:50<sney_>,v console-setup
15:50<judd>Package: console-setup on i386 -- lenny: 1.28; squeeze: 1.68+squeeze2; sid: 1.82; wheezy: 1.82
15:50<sney_>are you upgrading from squeeze to wheezy?
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15:50<CJI>no. i'm trying to install a program named 'sikuli'
15:50<CJI>on squeeze
15:50<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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15:52<SynrG>CJI: can't do distro mixing like that
15:53<SynrG>what they advise there is not supported.
15:53<SynrG>you can't just "add unstable sources" to a stable system
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15:54<CJI> this is apt cache policy
15:54<SynrG>in fact, what they advise is downright dangerous and could break your whole system
15:54<CJI>but many people managed to install this
15:54<CJI>it should be ok
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15:55<SynrG>really? many *squeeze* users?
15:55<CJI>just need proper instructiond
15:55<CJI>probably yes
15:55<CJI>i found some reference on google
15:56<CJI>for people talking about squeeze
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15:56<SynrG>any mixing of stable + unstable that works is entirely accidental and prone to break without warning
15:56<SynrG>as unstable is a moving target.
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15:57<CJI>i'm ready to take the risk. I'm using a vps which i can reinstall in 5 minutes
15:57<SynrG>so no, you don't "just need proper instructions". upstream needs to provide you with packages actually built for squeeze.
15:57<SynrG>or else you could attempt a backport yourself.
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15:57<GlitchNZ>Question - a colleague of mine set up a production debian server and removed the mda. He says he doesn't want the server to have any capacity to send mail - is this a sensible idea?
15:57<SynrG>get the source package for sikuli, then install the build dependencies from squeeze and build it
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15:58<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
15:59<CJI>so there is no way i can use the apt-get, and make it work?
15:59<SynrG>not based on your results so far
16:00<SynrG>really, what upstream is advising here is irresponsible. if i were you, i would contact them and ask for squeeze packages, citing the problems you've had trying to install on squeeze using their instructions.
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16:00<CJI>ok. so where should I use backport in this proccess?
16:00<CJI>I can get the source online
16:01<CJI>where should backport shd be used
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16:02<CJI>I've already asked at their forum. waiting for responce
16:02<SynrG>yes, at there are links in the sidebar to source
16:02<SynrG>you need all three files
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16:03<CJI>ok many thanx
16:03<z_marco>GlitchNZ: Removing the MTA might have been drastic, but it's fine. They could've just stopped the MTA daemon from working with chkconfig.
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16:04<z_marco>GlitchNZ: And from stopping the daemon working while live, simply go to /etc/init.d ./the_mta stop done.
16:05<GlitchNZ>z_marco, I understand mail to be a component of the OS, particuarly given that it is often the default means for deamon/script output to be delivered. Is there a way to configure the system to no send mail if a script (e.g. a cron job) produces output, other than making sure output is redirected on a case by case basis?
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16:08<GlitchNZ>fyi - removing the mta caused a whole raft of problems, not least the 700MB+ of error logs generated each day. I highly recommend against it :p
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16:11<z_marco>GlitchNZ: As I mentioned before, removing the MTA while not knowing full well which other applications were using it; by simply just stopping the daemon in /etc/init.d, that should've been sufficient.
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16:12<GlitchNZ>Sorry just to clarify: 1) its the MDA, 2) I am guessing that stopping the MTA won't stop things from trying to add mail to the queue?
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16:16<z_marco>GlitchNZ: You can check if it's queuing with the command mailq. But if it's been removed, then there shouldn't be any queueing.
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16:16<GlitchNZ>ok. so my other question - how do I get the system to send program output somewhere else instead of mailing to root? e.g. a log file
16:17<GlitchNZ>other than applying redirection on individual scripts
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16:17<GlitchNZ>or is that an application specific behavior?
16:19<z_marco>GlitchNZ: There should be an aliases list where you can define the email address where you want mail messages to be sent.
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16:19<GlitchNZ>where would the defaul list be on squeeze?
16:20<z_marco>GlitchNZ: The aliases list is slightly different per mta/mda. There is plenty of documentation online.
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16:22<GlitchNZ>ok, thanks for the info. I think the smart thing is just to leave mail as it comes. I can't see any advantage to removing it other than a minute reduction in system load
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16:23<z_marco>GlitchNZ: I agree with you. They should've just stopped the daemon and made sure it doesn't come online after the boot. Removing was probably slightly drastic. :)
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16:23<GlitchNZ>will there be something in rc.d that starts it?
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16:25<z_marco>GlitchNZ: Do you mean after the boot? Yes.. You can use chkconfig to stop the startup script from starting with "chkconfig <name_of_service> stop"
16:25<GlitchNZ>i dont seem to have chkconfig installed
16:25<z_marco>GlitchNZ: aptitude search chkconfig
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16:27<GlitchNZ>actually the system may be ubuntu, not debian - its hard to tell the differenc ein a terminal
16:29<z_marco>GlitchNZ: Perhaps it's a good idea to figure that out first. This is a Debian support line. :)
16:29<GlitchNZ>well most things that work for debian work for ubuntu and visa-versa
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16:32<z_marco>GlitchNZ: "most things" can be a bit vague. I see where you're coming from, but as a general consensus, this Debian support channel is meant to be strictly for Debian.
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16:33<sakax>any good suggestions for a firewall? something else than iptables
16:33<abrotman>why do you need a firewall?
16:34<gotmynick>something else to add to a firewall that already has iptables? or something else thna the iptables command line interface?
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16:36<sakax>something else than the iptables CLI stuff :D - something less IT geekish ;)
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16:36<gotmynick>maybe "shorewall"
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16:37<abrotman>sakax: why do you think you need a firewall?
16:38<gotmynick>err sorry, I did mean "fwbuilder" instead of shorewall
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16:39<gotmynick>fwbuilder is GUI, you install it in your desktop, and apply rules using ssh on a remote machine
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16:39<sakax>perfect :)
16:40<gotmynick>it checks the ruleset and that you don't loose connectivity before applying rules
16:40<gotmynick>has rollback, etc
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16:40<abrotman>sakax: unless you're running services that listen on your internet-facing interfaces, you don't need a firewall. This isn't windows
16:40<gotmynick>and add to your ruleset lot of "htat little things you should learn from the man page of iptables"
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16:41<abrotman>why what?
16:41<sakax>what's so differently than other OS's?
16:41<abrotman>sakax: linux doesn't open ports and listen to the world by default, you have to install/enable services
16:41<sakax>and what do you mean with "unless you're running services that listen on your internet-facing interfaces" ? do you have an example?
16:42<abrotman>sakax: if you don't know of any, you probably aren't
16:42<gotmynick>some services listen in all interfaces or in any address by default
16:42<gotmynick>for example ssh
16:43<abrotman>though, having ssh listen is probably a good thing
16:43<abrotman>(perhaps on an alternate port for the paranoid)
16:43<gotmynick>yes, it's usually what you want
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16:44<gotmynick>sakax, still, you are recommended to learn more about the underlying technologies
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16:44<abrotman>sakax: but running iptables to 'protect' your box when no daemons are listening anyway seems a wee bit silly
16:44<gotmynick>basically, to know what you do with a GUI
16:45<gotmynick>well, you can scrub bad packets, and minimize things like ICMP floods using a firewall, even if you don't have listening services
16:45<sakax>i think i have daemons listening - for example, the update notification deamon ?
16:45<gotmynick>na, that is not a network service
16:45<abrotman>sakax: nope, try again :)
16:45<gotmynick>netstat -latpun
16:46<abrotman>also, you' dhave to configure daemons to actually accept connectoins
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16:46<abrotman>it's not just that they litsen, some will listen, but refuse connectoins
16:46<sakax>ok - so i can safely go to bed in 2hours? /D
16:47<abrotman>dont' you ahve a home router anyway ?
16:47<sakax>indeed - there is a firewall on the router
16:49<jyc>is it possible to set a default monitor for the login prompt to appear on with a multimonitor setup?
16:49<gotmynick>still, your devil hacker neighbor maybe attached to your wifi
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16:50<devil>who is calling? :P
16:50<abrotman>gotmynick: sure, or his router may have a hole, but he still has to have a service listening
16:50<off_om>Hello, I'm searching for a good "how to" to run flash flawness in Debian Squeeze. Can You point one? I have already read/follow 3 and did not work.
16:51<abrotman>flawless ?
16:51<abrotman>off_om: adobe flash?
16:51<off_om>yes and shockwave
16:52<sakax>can you give an example of listening services within windows? i would like to better understand this topic and do some reading
16:52<off_om>I have installed crhomium, Epiphany and Iceweasel
16:53<abrotman>off_om: have you installed the flashplugin-nonfree package yet?
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16:55<off_om>I think not
16:55<abrotman>might be a good start
16:55<abrotman>read the wiki page the bot gave you
16:56<off_om>can I apt-get that package?
16:56<abrotman>yes, read what the bot told oyu
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16:58<off_om>thank you, I will read the the wiki
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16:58<off_om>sorry for this basic questions :)
16:59<abrotman>it's not basic, it's common :)
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17:17<off_om>I runned #"update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" and the output was: Command not found
17:17<abrotman>without the wquotes
17:17<off_om>yes i tried without quotes
17:18<off_om>root@Jupiter:/# update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
17:18<off_om>bash: update-flashplugin-nonfree: comando não encontrado
17:18<abrotman>off_om: did you install the flashplugin-nonfree package?
17:18<off_om>comando não encontrado stands for "Command not found"
17:19<off_om>how can i do that?
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17:22<off_om>apt-get install?
17:22<abrotman>didn't you read what the bot told you ?
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17:23<abrotman>off_om: flashplugin-nonfree is in the non-free repository
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17:24<off_om>ok so I have to add that repo in the file that call the repos right?
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17:24<off_om>It is not by default
17:25<off_om>ok, i will do that
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17:34<off_om>I was stuck in that part
17:34<off_om>I added the repo
17:34<off_om>installed, updated and now I have no issues in websites with flash
17:34<abrotman>and then you ran 'aptitude update;aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree' ?
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17:34<abrotman>off_om: ah okay, congrats
17:34<off_om>thank you!
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17:35<off_om>I get no output to "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
17:35<off_om>but I think that worked
17:36<abrotman>that means it's up to date
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17:37<off_om>crhomium itś working fine
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17:37<debuser>Hi, I was wondering what the configuration is for min. 2 HDDs, one that boots Windows (formatted NTFS) and one that boots Debian linux
17:37<off_om>In Iceweasel too, but there are some sites that are "strange"
17:38<debuser>Can the Debian HDD boot both... Will Grub detect the other drive or would I have to switch drives in the bios to boot from either?
17:38<indian555>hi I need help please PM me........I want to disable ICMP outgoing and incoming requests....
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17:39<indian555>hi I need help please PM me........I want to disable ICMP outgoing and incoming requests....
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17:40<abrotman>you just said
17:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 512] by debhelper
17:40<gotmynick>debuser, debian can boot from any bootable place, but usually windows needs to be on the bootable device
17:40<gotmynick>indian555, sysctl -w net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_all = 1 # why do you need PM ?
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17:41<debuser>but, I thought it might be easier to have Windows 7 and linux on separate drives...???
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17:41<gotmynick>debuser, still you can install debian to the second hdd and grub on the windows drive
17:42<off_om>abrotman: Thank you for you help.
17:42<debuser>Usually, I use Grub to boot from either on one drive but maybe there may be adv. to have them on separate drives?
17:42<abrotman>off_om: enjoy
17:42<chealer>debuser: Debian should detect OS-en on other drivers (GRUB can "detect" at runtime)
17:42<debuser>gotmynick, how? is there a good how-to' someplace?
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17:43<gotmynick>I use to install in expert mode, I'm not sure if the default install mode ask for the grub device
17:43<gotmynick>just install in the second hard disk, and in the bootloader step, choose the windows drive
17:44<gotmynick>expert mode just make "more questions" than the default install mode
17:44<debuser>So, if it's a new Windows install, I think I have to disconnect the data cable from the linux drive so Windows won't see it? then install debian on the other HDD? but, I'm not sure where to install grub (to) - where?
17:44<gotmynick>usually to the drive you have selected in the bios to boot (the windows drive)
17:45<gotmynick>I don't install windows years ago, not sure if you have to unplug something, years ago it had a partitioning step where you choose the drive to use
17:46<debuser>I don't think it would hurt
17:46<debuser>better not to trust windows and just disconnect the linux drive, maybe
17:46<debuser>install grub to the windows drive?
17:46<chealer>debuser: I don't see why you'd need to disconnect. Debian-installer asks you where Debian should be installed
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17:48<debuser>chealer, well, I thought it's better to install Windows first to 'a' HDD and then unplug whatever other drives ... to be safe ...that it doesn't try to format them or something
17:48<debuser>I haven't installed Windows 7 in a while and this would be on someone else's machine so I don't want to screw up :-/
17:49<chealer>debuser: well, that's certainly safer, but not significantly unless what scares you is user error
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17:49<debuser>when I install Debian to the other drive, yes, I'll leave them all connected...
17:49<debuser>chealer, yes, when it's not my computer... then I am extra scared of user error :)
17:50<debuser>so grub gets installed on the 'windows drive?'
17:51<debuser>for e.g. windows HDD will probably be an ide... so, if IIRC, it will get hda1 (windows partition) and the linux drive will be ...something like sda or sdb depending on what else is in the
17:51<debuser>I would install grub to hda?
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17:51<debuser>I haven't done it this way before so I'm unsure
17:54<debuser>and now grub2 does it a different way
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17:57<chealer>debuser: the installer can ask you on which drive GRUB should be installed
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17:59<xubuntu>i am tester (
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17:59<z_marco>I'd say the test went well.
18:00<sakax>squeeze/updates and squeeze-updates (former volatile) - whats the difference of those repositories?
18:00<debuser>chealer, ? it won't care which one... but, I need to know which one will allow a choice at boot time... I thought I'd want it on the linux drive but now I'm not sure
18:01<sakax>both should work - i always use the linux bootable drive
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18:02<chealer>debuser: GRUB will allow a choice at boot time... as long as it runs when your boot the PC
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18:03<debuser>but where should I install grub?
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18:04<debuser>chealer, I will probably want more than one Linux OS on the 'Linux' drive.. so, when I update grub, it'll detect them? there might only be two or three but the idea is to keep Windows totally separate on the other drive
18:04<ectospasm>debuser: probably whichever disk your BIOS is pointed at
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18:05<debuser>ectospasm, that's changeable, though... :-/
18:06<debuser>ectospasm, I can make any HDD I want as the 1st priority bootable disk
18:06<chealer>debuser: it should, but if you install other Linux-based OS-en, they'll probably install their own GRUB.
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18:06<debuser>chealer, yeah, I expect that
18:07<chealer>debuser: you should install GRUB to the MBR of the HDD which your PC boots by default
18:07<debuser>I've only ever done two things: with grub legacy, I had a separate grub partition and then with grub 2, I had linux and windows on the same drive
18:07<babyrodger>Just make sure you update grub on the last Linux os that you install so it will detect the others.
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18:33<piero>anyone can tell me how to get an working account in my local gnumed-server?
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18:34<z_marco>gnumed server sounds like ubuntu
18:35<z_marco>piero: what distro are you using?
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18:38<z_marco>Piero, can you be more specific? working account?
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18:39<toni>hello all
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18:40<toni>all here about debian?
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18:41<toni>what is the bet terminal app for gnome?
18:41<toni>bet = best
18:41<ectospasm>toni: tanstatbt
18:42<ectospasm>There Ain't No Such Thing As The Best Terminal
18:42<diskoverwr>thank god you said that ecto
18:42<diskoverwr>I was about to freak out on my n00bish understanding
18:42<ectospasm>toni: use whatever makes the most sense for you to use
18:42<toni>ok most if not the best
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18:42<ectospasm>I use urxvt (aka rxvt-unicode)
18:43<ectospasm>...but it ain't for everybody
18:43<diskoverwr>I'm using terminology - came packaged with my distribution.
18:43<ectospasm>actually, I really don't use it much for what it's designed for
18:43<ectospasm>toni: if you're using GNOME, gnome-terminal is the natural choice
18:43<piero>z_marco, I installed both client and server, runned the bootstraper script... now what I do have an user account (application layer) to use ??
18:44<ectospasm>piero: shouldn't a gnumed guide tell you that?
18:45<diskoverwr>what is the syntax to get ip address and all of that from the terminal?
18:45<diskoverwr>nvm, I can google this stuff
18:46<piero>ectospasm, its very confuse..
18:46<ectospasm>diskoverwr: sometimes it's easier to ask (-;
18:46<ectospasm>diskoverwr: ifconfig
18:46<ectospasm>(interface config)
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18:59<uberdub>switched to it better than gnome
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19:00<ectospasm>uberdub: a lot of folks say that
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19:00<uberdub>yeah I like it more
19:00<ectospasm>I haven't been able to stomach KDE since 4 was dumped on us
19:01<uberdub>gnome is too simple, and less elegant
19:01<ectospasm>to each his own
19:01<uberdub>for sure
19:01<ectospasm>GNOME 3 proper is incomplete
19:01<uberdub>I tried gnome though, and its still installed
19:01<uberdub>kde is more robust
19:01<uberdub>more eye candy
19:01<ectospasm>I am comfortable with GNOME applets and programs
19:02<ectospasm>KDE seems clunky and too heavyweight to me
19:02<uberdub>it is
19:02<ectospasm>...seems like if a machine struggles with GNOME, KDE will be terrible on it
19:02<uberdub>but my system runs it just fine
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19:02<uberdub>but if Im looking for lightweight, im gonna go xfce
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19:03<uberdub>gnome is more xfce like these days it seems any way
19:03<ectospasm>GNOME3 Fallback (or Classic) with XMonad does me right
19:03<uberdub>but dumping kucraptu was the best thing ive done in years
19:03<ectospasm>...I am fanatical about my XMonad
19:03<uberdub>havent used it
19:04<ectospasm>uberdub: *buntu is crappy
19:04<debuser>gnome3 makes you have to google
19:04<uberdub>yes it is
19:04<ectospasm>again, this is OT
19:04<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
19:04<uberdub>oh sorry
19:04<ectospasm>I've done this like 10 times today, ain't that right abrotman?
19:04<uberdub>is there debian off-topic?
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19:40<debian_>hi i have a problem i dont have audio on my system
19:41<debian_>find it
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19:43<ectospasm>there's your sign
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20:21<msg3>how can i connect to wifi?
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20:59<debuser>which is best to install debian - grub - grub installed in mbr or /boot (drive partition root)?
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21:01<ectospasm>debuser: depends on how you want to boot
21:01<ectospasm>if you have preexisting OSes and can't afford to have to recover its mbr, don't choose mbr
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21:09<lacrosse1991>@debuser or if you want to use mbr but have a backup plan, make a backup of your mbr using
21:09<lacrosse1991>dd so you can restore if needed
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21:11<debuser>if there's more than one OS so more than one partition, how would you do it?
21:12<debuser>for e.g. debian on a partition, linux OS 2 on another and linux OS 3 on a 3rd partition
21:12<debuser>debian - install grub2 to mbr and install linux OS #2 grub to /boot (root partition)? and so on or??
21:13<debuser>I remember grub legacy was easier :-(
21:13<lacrosse1991>grub should automatically pick them all up, no need for multiple installations
21:13<lacrosse1991>of grub
21:14<lacrosse1991>although even if it does not pick one up there are ways to manually add os's
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21:17<debuser>so, when you go through the 2nd linux OS and you get to the part in which it asks where do you want to install grub, what do you select?
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21:35<lacrosse1991>@debian user if you feel comfortable doing so, mbr would be the easiest route to take, although like i said i would look into backing up your mbr first just incase
21:37<lacrosse1991>take a look at this :)
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22:23<diskoverwr>can I use which to identify which linux kernal I'm on?
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22:24<bones_was_here>uname -a
22:24<diskoverwr>thank you, it appears I should be in the ubuntu chat
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