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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-09-06

---Logopened Thu Sep 06 00:00:18 2012
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00:00<Bob-ca>thnx nemoder
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01:17<child>hello, I'm trying to sync iphone at linux, and firstly I used Kvm with -usb -device usb-host,hostbus=2,hostaddr=3 without success, don't recognize my phone.... and after trying to install the imobiledevice also did not work.... someone can do it work ??
01:20<child>the second way is here
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01:38<child>nobody here?
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02:11<jpinx>!tell child about ask
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02:13<JoeKun>Hi guys, I've been trying to reach to download a wheezy netinst ISO, and that server just seems to be down.
02:14<JoeKun>Do you know of any good mirros for wheezy ISOs?
02:14<jpinx>JoeKun: yea - same from here - dunno what the issue is though
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02:15<JoeKun>I started thinking of using jigdo or torrent, but I think the jigdo and torrent files are only on that server. So it's no use.
02:16<jpinx>yes - it seems that they are all accessed through
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02:17<jpinx>that's the official repo - you might find other "non-official" ones
02:17<JoeKun>Do you know any?
02:17<dioz>what arch?
02:18<JoeKun>I'm trying to find kfreebsd-amd64
02:18<JoeKun>it might be a bit tougher to find than more typical archs
02:19<dioz>oh weezy
02:19<JoeKun>Well, that's for squeeze
02:19<dioz>not current
02:19<JoeKun>Thanks though
02:20<jpinx>JoeKun: I'd have to recommend that you just wait a few hours ;)
02:20<jpinx>it's nght time over there
02:20<jpinx>they'll fix it after breakfast .... one hopes ;)
02:20<JoeKun>where is there?
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02:21<jpinx>JoeKun: I assume usa
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02:22<JoeKun>If the reverse DNS tells us anything, looks like they're in Sweden (
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02:22<JoeKun>Is there some email address we should notify of such problems?
02:22<jpinx>JoeKun: ok - less time for you to wait :)
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02:28<JoeKun>dioz: Thanks!
02:28<JoeKun>How did you find it?
02:28<JoeKun>I've been looking to for wheezy mirrors for a bit...
02:28<dioz>i goog'd it
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02:31<JoeKun>I guess I wasn't using the right keywords. Thanks!
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05:21<afuentes>why dpkg -l libpam* works as expected? why the shell does not try to glob the *?
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05:22<ansgar>afuentes: Depends on your shell and its configuration.
05:23<afuentes>i hava regular testing installation
05:23<themill>afuentes: it does, but depending on whether you have any files called libpam… in the current directory or not, you'll get different behaviour
05:23<afuentes>i dont think i have changed much about globing
05:23<themill>(note that bash and zsh behave quite differently here too)
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05:23<afuentes>yeah, im using default bash
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05:24<afuentes>as i understand it, bash change the glob * for its value and then dpkg is called
05:24<afuentes>the globing would be the files under current directory
05:24<ansgar>afuentes: If it does not match anything, bash will leave a "libpam*" there. zsh would give you an error.
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05:25<afuentes>oh i see... it does not mach nothing and leaves the * there
05:25<afuentes>thank you :)
05:26<themill>afuentes: that's why protecting the * with proper quoting is a better idea. «dpkg -l 'libpam*'» no room for surprises that way
05:27<afuentes>yeah, but its more typing for just checking the command... it would be advisable for an script, yep, i agree :)
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05:28<themill>yeah, if you know you're not going to have any accidental matches from the things in cwd and you know you're using bash without failglob, then it's not an issue
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06:13<ev3nturer>how would i go about reinstalling squeeze?
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06:19<daemonkeeper>a) insert Squeeze CD to your drive b) turn off your computer c) turn it on again d) boot from the CD
06:19<ev3nturer>and jus install it all over on same hdd?
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06:20<olasd>after having backed up your data, of course
06:20<daemonkeeper>(when needed)
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06:20<ev3nturer>its ok it pretty much a fresh install anyway i have no data on it
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06:23<mr_linux>hello room Question: i have 2 linux installations , 11.10 and 10.04 dual boot, how can i run programs/binaries from 10.04 while being in 11.10 and vice versa
06:23<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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06:25<mr_linux>thanks dpkg
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06:27<afuentes>does anybody know how to output everything system-wide in mono? as in i only have one headphone on and i want to hear everything through it
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06:40<ev3nturer>how would i install konqueror browser on gnome?
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06:41<afuentes>apt-get install konqueror?
06:43<bernat>ev3nturer: there's no such thing "installing on gnome" afaik, you just install an app
06:43<afuentes>it does not matter what are you using... it is just going to load a bunch of kde libraries not shared with the rest of gnome apps, therefore using more memory... but it should work
06:44<ev3nturer>k thanks
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06:51<ev3nturer>it's finished installin but i can't see the browser shortcut in interneT?
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06:52<johnoo>debian squeeze stable amd64 chromium facebook ? any solution ?
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06:54<Apollo>ehm what?
06:55<Apollo>johnoo: that's not really a question, nor is it stating a problem
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06:56<afuentes>too much words in there
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06:57<ev3nturer>i just installed the browser but i can't find the shortcut to run it?
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06:57<smart>hi all
06:57<afuentes>you could had just say stable amd64 chromium facebook? solution?
06:57<david>When debian is starting gives an error in stating virtual box modules and, of course, I can't use virtual box. Any idea?
06:58<Apollo>ev3nturer: which window / /desktop manager are you using?
06:58<smart>guys, i have not finished mysql-server configuration, and my connection has lost.
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06:58<smart>how can I continue the installation proccess?
06:58<Apollo>david: which error exactly
06:58<Apollo>smart: dpkg-reconfigure PACKAGENAME
06:58<ev3nturer>terminal as su
06:58<smart>Apollo: thnx
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06:59<Apollo>ev3nturer: that's not your window manager
06:59<Apollo>nor is it your desktop manager
06:59<Apollo>examples are fluxbox, xfce
06:59<Apollo>stuff like that
07:00<Apollo>alright, gnome 2.x, gnome 3?
07:00<ev3nturer>I'm not sure the original one that comes with squeeze?
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07:01<Apollo>alright, so there is no "Chromium" link in the Applications dropdown menu on the top left?
07:02<ev3nturer>ehm no, i just installed konquror using apt-get install konqueror from terminal
07:02<Apollo>ah, so you don't see the Konqueror link in the menu then?
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07:02<ev3nturer>yes exactly that
07:03<Apollo>Alright, what do you see in the "Internet" subsection then?
07:03<johnoo>Apollo, i have problem with facebook in chromium i see only blue bar on the top of window i havent found solution for this problem ?
07:03<smart>I have not finished apt-get install process, and my connection has lost.
07:03<themill>It could easily be called "Web Browser" or something silly. and could be hidden away from view when you're running gnome.
07:03<david>Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)
07:03<david>The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv. Please reinstall the kernel module by executing
07:03<david>'/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup'
07:03<david>as root. If it is available in your distribution, you should install the DKMS package first. This package keeps track of Linux kernel changes and recompiles the vboxdrv kernel module if necessary.
07:03<themill>dpkg: tell david about paste
07:03<smart>Now I see that process in ps aux
07:04<smart>How can I continue it?
07:04<themill>smart: what stage was it up to?
07:04<ev3nturer>ehm what i usally see a bunch of browsers, skype and other ims etc
07:04<ev3nturer>it looks exaclt as it did pre install
07:04<Apollo>ev3nturer: have you tried stopping gnome, and starting it again?
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07:04<ev3nturer>apollo i don't know how to do that
07:05<themill>Aren't all KDE apps hidden when you're running gnome or something silly like that?
07:05<smart>During mysql root password input =)
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07:05<Apollo>ev3nturer: easiest: log off, log back in
07:05<ev3nturer>ok brbr
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07:05<themill>smart: urgh. I assume you didn't use something like screen or tmux here.
07:05<Apollo>david: have you done the instructions they provided in the error?
07:05<smart>root 5524 0.0 2.0 41408 20796 pts/2 S+ 12:52 0:00 apt-get install mysql-server
07:05<smart>root 5551 0.0 0.1 10648 1492 pts/2 S+ 12:53 0:00 /bin/bash -e /tmp/mysql-server-5.1.config.55391 configure
07:05<smart>root 5556 0.0 0.1 18044 1808 pts/2 S+ 12:53 0:00 whiptail --backtitle Package configuration --title Configuring mysql-server-5.1 --output-fd 12 --nocancel --passwordbox -- While not mandatory, it is highly recommended that you set a password for the MySQL administrative?"root" user.??If this field is left blank, the password will not be changed.??New password for the MySQL "root" user: 13 103
07:05<smart>root 5704 0.0 0.0 7548 840 pts/3 S+ 14:03 0:00 grep mysql
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07:05<jemadux>my bluetooth is hard blocked how to unblock ?
07:06<Apollo>johnoo: do you have the same issue with other browsers?
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07:06<Apollo>and what is it with people spamming this place without using a pastebing
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07:06<johnoo>Apollo, no i iceweasel fb is working
07:07<johnoo>* in iceweasel is working
07:07<Apollo>Which version of chromium are you running?
07:07<Apollo>do you have issues with any other site in chromium?
07:07<david>apollo: yes and when I do it apperas in the terminal that /etc/init.d/vboxdrv doesn't exist
07:07<johnoo>Apollo, give me a sec
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07:07<johnoo>Apollo, 6.0.472.63 (59945) Built on Debian 6.0.2, running on Debian 6.0.5
07:08<Apollo>david: please follow the instruction on
07:08<david>thanks Apollo!
07:08<johnoo>Apollo, in other sites no problem flash is working correctly no other problems jus fb is not working
07:09<johnoo>Apollo, *just fb
07:09<Apollo>fb doesn't use flash, so that's not even remotely related
07:09<Apollo>and for the love of all that is holy, stop pinging me
07:09<johnoo>Apollo, ok sorry that i didn't know
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07:10<johnoo>sorry sending message to your name is pinging you because i don't pinging you
07:10<ev3nturer>apollo it didnt work
07:12<Apollo>johnoo: are you running any plugins in chromium?
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07:14<Apollo>have you tried reinstalling chromium?
07:14<johnoo>yes few minutes ago
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07:15<johnoo>i downloaded .deb package from
07:15<ev3nturer>i had the same problem with facebook not working on it at all, i just assumed the browser is useless
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07:16<Apollo>johnoo: tried the chromium help channel?
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07:16<johnoo>no no
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07:16<johnoo>no didnt tried
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07:16<gryl>johnoo, what's the problem?
07:16<bernat>ev3nturer: it should be in your menus, but you can run it with alt+F2 too
07:16<johnoo>sorry Apollo my english isn't so good
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07:17<johnoo>gryl, in stable chromium browser in fb i see only top bar nothing else
07:17<gryl>johnoo, any problems with websites other than fb?
07:18<bernat>,versions chromium
07:18<ev3nturer>thanks bernat alt+F2 just ran it :), I have a question it doesn't seem to be showing in the software centre, so how would I uninstall it?
07:18<judd>Package: chromium on i386 -- lenny:; squeeze:; sid: 21.0.1180.89~r154005-1; wheezy: 21.0.1180.89~r154005-1
07:18<johnoo>gryl, no only fb
07:18<bernat>you must be running a too old version
07:18<gryl>johnoo, make a new user on the OS. try fb there. does problem happen?
07:18<johnoo>6.0.472.63 (59945) Built on Debian 6.0.2, running on Debian 6.0.5
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07:18<gryl>johnoo, what chromium version?
07:18<bernat>ev3nturer: what are you on?
07:18<ev3nturer>gnome 2 squeeze
07:19<Black_Prince>on marijuana?
07:19<Black_Prince>oh ... nvm
07:19<johnoo>gryl that is the version
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07:19<johnoo>hmm i have amd64
07:19<bernat>ev3nturer: I don't use the software center but any package manager should siplay it
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07:20<ev3nturer>i will look in synaptic
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07:20<ev3nturer>there it is thank you
07:21<johnoo>gryl, i'm going to try it in other user
07:21<johnoo>give me a sec
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07:21<bernat>ev3nturer: for it to appear in the menus you may need a package about menus, I don't remember which one
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07:22<ev3nturer>i might not keep the browser, i'm testing it still the flash on youtube doesn't seem to be working
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07:23<bernat>ev3nturer: if your problem is that flash isn't working just ask about it
07:23<ev3nturer>well abode flash works on ephiphany but it doesnt work on iceweasel and konqueror now doesn't work either
07:25<bernat>ev3nturer: is everything installed from the squeeze official archive?
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07:25<ev3nturer>I don't know what you mean bernat
07:26<johnoo>gryl, same result
07:26<bernat>ev3nturer: did you install flash from package flashplugin-nonfree?
07:27<SynrG>which version?
07:27<ev3nturer>epiphany wouldn't work without it
07:27<SynrG>,versions flashplugin-nonfree
07:27<judd>Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.5; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.6
07:27<bernat>ev3nturer: dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree iceweasel
07:27<adonai>I'm russian.
07:27<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
07:28<adonai>I don't want to go there. Why should I? No one can make me do it!
07:28<SynrG>it was a helpful suggestion, adonai
07:28<SynrG>adonai: do you have a support question, then? if so, ask.
07:29<bernat>ev3nturer: update-flashplugin-nonfree --status
07:30<adonai>Well, give me a minute or so, I'll try to remember
07:30<ev3nturer>update-flashplugin-nonfree: command not found
07:30<johnoo>gryl, may i have installed 2 chromiums
07:30<bernat>ev3nturer: sudo update-flashplugin-nonfree --status
07:31<johnoo>hups that new is normal google chrome
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07:31<johnoo>and fb works there
07:32<adonai>Well, I have a kde-standard metapackage installed. Is there a way to remove certain applications with keeping all other dependencies remain?
07:32<bernat>ev3nturer: oops
07:32<bernat>ev3nturer: sudo update-flashplugin-nonfree --install
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07:33<ev3nturer>didnt show anything
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07:34<debdemon>iceweasel/kde bug? I had iceweasel open, the tab at the bottom, the text got all jumbled...strange
07:34<bernat>ev3nturer: write "about:plugin" in the iceweasel address bar
07:34<bernat>ev3nturer: you should see a list of plugins installed
07:34<debdemon>doing it again
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07:35<adonai>Well, I thought as much.
07:36<bernat>ev3nturer: can you paste the whole page?
07:37<bernat>ev3nturer: also, what are the symptoms?
07:37<ev3nturer>crashes on youtube
07:37<johnoo>ok i have chrome not chromium now problem solved cya guys :)
07:37<johnoo>and thx
07:37<ev3nturer>and sometimes on complex webpages with lots of flash
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07:38<ev3nturer>and all other browsers i tried part from epiphany do it too
07:38<ev3nturer>but epiphany crash sometimes too :S
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07:39<bernat>ev3nturer: I think it must be a flash problem, their plugin is known to crash sometimes
07:39<ev3nturer>when i bash iceweasel from terminal i get "Segmentation fault" when crash happens
07:39<ev3nturer>is it the only flash I can use?
07:39<bernat>ev3nturer: for newer browsers isn't so bad since the browser doesn't crash, just the plugin
07:40<ev3nturer>what browser do you recommend?
07:40<bernat>you can try iceweasel from backports
07:41<dpkg>The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel and Icedove are at for squeeze or in <experimental> for wheezy and sid.
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07:42<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>.
07:42<ev3nturer>iceweasel or icedove?
07:42<bernat>ev3nturer: you have those options to upgrade iceweasel, I think this should give you less crashes and HTML5 video for youtube
07:42<ev3nturer>ok i will have a look
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07:46<bernat>ev3nturer: icedove is the mail client
07:46<ev3nturer>ahh ok
07:46<ev3nturer> bernat look at this ?
07:47<bernat>ev3nturer: have you added the backports archive?
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07:47<ev3nturer>oh ahhh ok i will do that now
07:47<bernat>!tell ev3nturer -about squeeze-backports
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07:51<ev3nturer>when i add the lines in the sources.list do i add them right at the end of the file?
07:52<roughnecks>ev3nturer: yes
07:52<Apollo>roughnecks: ordering actually doesn't matter
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07:52<Apollo>just make sure you add a comment so you know wtf you added it for
07:52<roughnecks>if you're adding a new line, place at the bottom, no?
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07:53<ev3nturer>then it doesnt make a difference to the previous pastebin i sent apollo
07:53<Apollo>roughnecks: some do, some don't
07:53<Apollo>doesn't matter
07:53<dpkg>arwen: vedi
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07:53<Apollo>ev3nturer: did you run apt-get update first?
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07:54<ev3nturer>I get an error at the end of it W: GPG error: squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUB
07:55<themill>did you follow the instructions on
07:55<themill>itym "no"
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07:56<ev3nturer>is there an update for epiphany in the backports too?
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07:58<ev3nturer>thank you all for help :)
07:58<bernat>ev3nturer: have you opted for squeeze-backports or
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07:59<ev3nturer>bernat, mozilla is only different as it add one extra line in the sources list
07:59<bernat>ev3nturer: and the signatures
07:59<ev3nturer>i added both lines from mozilla site and ran the update, then installed the browser
07:59<bernat>ev3nturer: you don't need both
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08:00<ev3nturer>oh, well it worked anyway :)
08:00<themill>well, if you want "deb squeeze-backports iceweasel-release" you also need
08:00<Apollo>themill: I like you ;)
08:00<bernat>themill: ok, I didn't know
08:01<ev3nturer>can i update epiphany eswell from the backports?
08:01<themill>bernat: there are dependencies of iceweasel that are in backports (hence not on mozilla.d.n). That's why the page tells you to include both lines.
08:01<ev3nturer>I have to say iceweasel 10.0.6 seems to work rather well :)
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08:02<bernat>themill: I directed him to use only backports, anyway he choose mdn
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08:03<ev3nturer>apt-get install -t squeeze-backports epiphany will upgrade epiphany from the backports?
08:04<bernat>!tell ev3nturer -about backports caveat
08:04<roughnecks>that package is not from mdn if i am correct
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08:04<themill>ev3nturer: no, because that's not the right package name and also because epiphany-browser has not been backported)
08:05<ev3nturer>oh... ups i allready run it
08:05<bernat>ev3nturer: it will if it's available there, but read more about backports before upgrading everything
08:05<ev3nturer>I won't be upgrading anything else, I just wanted an all round good web broweser that didnt crash :)
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08:06<bernat>ev3nturer: epyphany is part of gnome, it isn't as easily to upgrade
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08:06<ev3nturer>I won't bother with it I like the new iceweael it works just fine
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08:07<bernat>ev3nturer: nice :)
08:07<ev3nturer>I have a question though, since i added those lines to the sources.list what will the update manager do?
08:07<ev3nturer>I mean i don't want it updating my whole system to the backports next time I update
08:10<bernat>ev3nturer: it shouldn't, the squeeze archive has higher priority
08:11<bernat>ev3nturer: you'll have to force installing from backports
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08:12<ev3nturer>where do i paste images?
08:12<SynrG>ev3nturer: read the doc at which explains this
08:12<gry_>er, nvm
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08:17<ev3nturer>ok bernat, if I could ask you to look at the images here,taIOT,7K4MQ,72DT0 of my update manager...
08:18<bernat>ev3nturer: please, paste the output for apt-cache policy
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08:22<bernat>ev3nturer: backports is correctly pinned, I don't know about mdn
08:22<bernat>ev3nturer: running "apt-get upgrade" would give more information about the packages going to be upgraded
08:22<ev3nturer>so the updates i see in the thirdparty are all from mozilla?
08:23<bernat>ev3nturer: I guess so
08:23<SynrG>since that mdn repo is very specific to iceweasel-release, i don't think it matters (i.e. you're not going to "taint" your system with undesirable stuff anyway)
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08:25<bernat>ev3nturer: here it's just trying to upgrade iceweasel
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08:25<ev3nturer>so i should just let it run
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08:26<bernat>ev3nturer: if you want to have the latest from Mozilla you should be safe upgrading
08:26<SynrG>probably a consequence of safe upgrade that it's held back
08:26<bernat>ev3nturer: you can live with just backports
08:26<ev3nturer>aha i see what you mean
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08:27<ev3nturer>wouldn't having the latest from mozilla ensure max security though?
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08:27<SynrG>no, just latest functionality
08:27<bernat>ev3nturer: max security is ensured using just official squeeze
08:27<SynrG>the way security is ensured in squeeze is by backporting security patches
08:28<bernat>ev3nturer: backports is a compromise, and mdn is less security and latest features
08:28*themill wonders how well that can be done for iceweasel 3.5
08:28<SynrG>and by 'backporting security patches' i mean the ones at (nothing to do with
08:29<ev3nturer>ill just keep it as it then, and untick mozilla as a source
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08:30<SynrG>themill: well, i assume the security patches that actually apply to both 3.5 and later mozilla releases are somehow backportable. as for level of effort ... i'm sure it's a grubby process :p
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08:31<ev3nturer>I have an outstading issue with the alsa mixer and my webcam mic (through usb audio) not working, would switching to pulse audio volume mixer be a good idea to try and resolve the issue?
08:31<themill>SynrG: by the time mozilla dropped support for that version of iceweasel even before squeeze released (or was it just after?), it can't be fun. If firefox is really as fast-moving as they want people to believe, then it's going to be a hideous business.
08:31*themill has a good cry at
08:32<nicelyToasted>can anyone give me a hand backporting with pbuilder?
08:32<nevyn>ev3nturer: maybe.
08:33<nevyn>ev3nturer: there's a howto here:
08:33<dpkg>PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at . #pulseaudio on
08:33<SynrG>ev3nturer: pulseaudio operates in userspace and is in no way going to solve driver problems with underlying kernel drivers
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08:34<SynrG>my advice is to first get alsa working, then work on pulseaudio
08:34<ev3nturer>synrg I have tried many times and have come here for help on alsa mixer many times, and wasted many hours without a solution
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08:35<SynrG>ev3nturer: using a stock debian squeeze kernel?
08:35<ev3nturer>ehm yes i think you'd call it that its the original install
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08:35<SynrG>it is possible your hardware is supported better in a more recent kernel ...
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08:36<ev3nturer>upgrading my kernel?
08:36<SynrG>ev3nturer: lspci -nn |grep -i audio
08:36<nevyn>ev3nturer: I dunno about wasted.
08:36<nevyn>SynrG: it's recognised
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08:36<nevyn>SynrG: the card that's problems is the usb webcam mic
08:36<SynrG>recognised does not imply full support for all devices
08:36<nevyn>nope it does not.
08:37<nevyn>the bit we hit trouble with was actually recording sound from it.
08:37<SynrG>ah, usb is not going to show up in the lspci
08:37<SynrG>so forget the lspci
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08:37<Thorgrin>and try lsusb ;-)
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08:38<ev3nturer>ahh nevyn it wasnt resolved and that's all I wanted so kinda wasted ;)
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08:39<ev3nturer>what's the command for running again?
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08:39<bernat>ev3nturer: cat /proc/asound/devices
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08:42<SynrG>some ubuntu users have had problems with the exact same hardware:
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08:42<SynrG>i suspect a kernel driver issue common to both distributions
08:43<ev3nturer>should i try his solution?
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08:43<SynrG>no, because it's almost certainly ubuntu-kernel-specific
08:44<SynrG>if you can find an upstream kernel patch that applies to your version of the kernel in squeeze, then yes
08:44<nevyn>ev3nturer: unreasonable expectation not met. volunteer effort expended also so.. you know...
08:44<SynrG>otherwise, you might just try a kernel from squeeze-backports and hope somewhen this patch was picked up and mainstreamed ...
08:45<SynrG>it may be less effort to do this than go chasing for patches
08:45<nevyn>!bdo kernel
08:45<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via Ask me about <bdo> to add backports to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`
08:45<SynrG>(and if things go wrong, you can always fall back to the stable kernel)
08:45<ev3nturer>nevyn I'm greateful for the effort, but when you tried to help it wasn't my first time so it felt like time wasted :(
08:46<SynrG>ah, it's all about the journey :)
08:46<ev3nturer>it was a long one
08:46<nevyn>ev3nturer: how long ago did you start?
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08:46<SynrG>and the kids in the back seat constantly asking "are we there yet?" probably didn't help? :)
08:46*nevyn has been waiting for 2 years for code which is being mainlined just now.
08:46<ev3nturer>bout 2 weeks ago maybe lol
08:47<ev3nturer>ouch why stick with it
08:47<bernat>ev3nturer: I remember, you tried tweaking the mixer settings but nothing worked, right?
08:47<nevyn>sometimes it takes a while to get there.
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08:47<ev3nturer>when was this bernat?
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08:48<SynrG>the problem with chasing down alsa problems is 95% of them turn out to be merely mixer settings. unfortunately for that remaining 5% you can beat your head against the wall for quite a while ...
08:48<SynrG>so i hope you appreciate the difficulty helpers have triaging such problems
08:48<bernat>some time ago
08:49<SynrG>also there is a bewildering array of different hardware out there, with new ever-so-slightly-different-from-the-last variants popping up almost every week, it seems :/
08:49<SynrG>so alsa upstream must have a hell of a time keeping on top of them all
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08:49<bernat>ev3nturer: you should try to find out whether your webcam is correctly handled by your alsa version
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08:50<bernat>trying with a newer kernel wouldn't hurt, you can keep your current one
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08:51<ev3nturer>i'm looking at how to get a newer kernel from backports now... how would I look at alsa handling my webcam corrently?
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08:52<bernat>ev3nturer: some compatility page or user reports
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08:53<bernat>have to go, bb
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08:53<ev3nturer>apt-get install linux-image-2.6-flavour ?
08:54<ev3nturer>will that get me where i wanna be synrg?
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08:56<nevyn>ev3nturer: so alsa out of tree is now deprecated in debian
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08:56<nevyn>get a new kernel
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08:56<nevyn>!tell ev3nturer about bdo kernel
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08:58<SynrG>ev3nturer: apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-flavour i think
08:58<ev3nturer>nevyn im confused about searching for available kernels using those commands
08:58<SynrG>ev3nturer: just the same as that bdo kernel factoid tells you
08:58<ev3nturer>'?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))' ?
08:58<nevyn>so that's magic you can copypaste.
08:59<SynrG>if you want to understand the magic, read the doc (man aptitude)
08:59<nevyn>so it says find something that's named linux-image from the source Debian Backports
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08:59<ansgar>SynrG: I think those patterns are not explained in the man page.
08:59<ev3nturer>why didn't it just say that :O
09:00<nevyn>they're in the manual
09:00<nevyn>ev3nturer: read it from the inside out.
09:00<nevyn>?origin(Debian Backports)
09:01<nevyn>ev3nturer: so ask the bot about bdo
09:01<SynrG>ev3nturer: the short answer is "efficient computer program expressions don't often look like efficient/easily-comprehensible english language expressions"
09:01<nevyn>which will explain how to setup your sources.
09:01<ev3nturer>I have set up my sources
09:01<nevyn>SynrG: it was obvious to me.. maybe that says more about me than anything else tho.
09:03<ev3nturer>is that what I was looking for?
09:03<SynrG>that doesn't apply the filter
09:03<nevyn>now copypaste the filter.
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09:03<nevyn>which will cut that down to the ones that matter
09:03<SynrG>to be percise:
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09:04<SynrG>aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'
09:04<SynrG>(maybe it badly linewrapped for you which confused you?)
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09:04<nevyn>ev3nturer: ^^
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09:05<ev3nturer>I didn't realise they wanted me to use that
09:05<ev3nturer>so the list is shorter
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09:07<ev3nturer>which one would I choose
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09:07<SynrG>as the factoid says, linux-image-flavour (for which it gives you other magic to determine)
09:08<SynrG>really, just following the factoid exactly here gives you the right result
09:08<SynrG>aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`
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09:08<SynrG>that uname command just substitutes in the right flavour
09:10<SynrG>listing them all would only be useful in case the backports repo happened to carry multiple versions that day and you had it in mind to install a specific version. but you just want "the latest" and the example given in the factoid gives you that.
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09:10<ev3nturer>so all I had to do from the start was apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-flavour
09:10<ev3nturer>or am I lost again
09:11<SynrG>yes, where "flavour" is amd64, 686 or what have you
09:11<ev3nturer>im using i386 achitecture
09:11<ev3nturer>so.. apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-i386 ?
09:11<SynrG>so, linux-image-686 (but the command i pasted above, quoted directly from the factoid, gives you exactly that)
09:11<SynrG>uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'
09:12<SynrG>that reports your current kernel flavour
09:12<SynrG>i386 is the name of the architecture, not the name of the kernel flavour
09:12<ev3nturer> aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-686 uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' ??
09:13<SynrG>no, look ... the factoid says:
09:14<SynrG>aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`
09:14<SynrG>why do you balk at cut-and-pasting things exactly whenever it contains what looks like "gibberish" to you?
09:15<SynrG>and i gave you the command separately just so you could see that what it outputs is your flavour
09:15<SynrG>in case you didn't trust it somehow
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09:15<SynrG>the backticks expands the result of that uname command directly into the aptitude command
09:15<ev3nturer>it not that I don't trust it I just don't understand half the things you say, I'm completely useless to programming language
09:15<SynrG>that's the beauty of cut-and-paste. you don't have to understand it to use it :0
09:16<ev3nturer>yes but I keep gettin confused as what to copy and paste, it's pretty hard to me to follow you
09:16<SynrG>well, you asked "so.. apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-i386"
09:17<SynrG>and i merely corrected you that the suffix is most likely -686, not -i386
09:17<ev3nturer>so that is the right command but with -686?
09:17<SynrG>using uname like the factoid says is more precise
09:18<ev3nturer>so you want me to use this command? ; aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`
09:18<SynrG>literally that, yes
09:18<SynrG>sounding like a broken record here, but ... "just like the factoid says"
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09:18<ev3nturer>I seriously don't know what you mean by factoid
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09:19<SynrG>!bdo kernel
09:19<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via Ask me about <bdo> to add backports to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`
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09:19<nevyn>^^ factoid ^^
09:19<dpkg>A factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print, or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated information, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something. This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid".
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09:20<child>hello, I'm trying to sync iphone at linux, and firstly I used Kvm with -usb -device usb-host,hostbus=2,hostaddr=3 without success, don't recognize my phone.... and after trying to install the imobiledevice also did not work.... someone can do it work ??
09:20<themill>the *idea* is that it saves us from having to repeatedly explain something... ;)
09:20<ev3nturer>don't I feel stupid
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09:20<SynrG>ev3nturer: ah well, things we take for granted, you don't. you have to start somewhere :)
09:20<themill>ev3nturer: it's irc jargon... if you live in the real world not on irc, you won't have come across it
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09:21<ev3nturer>feel better now xD
09:21<nevyn>man I realised that my nick registration on freenode is more than 10 years old ...
09:21*themill has heard allegations about the existence of a real world Out There Somewhere™
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09:22<ev3nturer>wha I do know?
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09:23<nevyn>ev3nturer: is the system you're installing this on a hp proliant server?
09:23<nevyn>so does this message apply?
09:24<ev3nturer>i don't know it started doing something and then that appeared
09:24<nevyn>so you do need to install those before you try to boot into the new kernel
09:25<ev3nturer>well it's still working I pressed enter
09:26<|Anthony|>apt-get dist-upgrade is complaining about a dependency cycle trying to go to wheezy
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09:26<|Anthony|>can i safely -f
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09:28<ev3nturer>ok, as you can see from paste bin, it finished, but it does say I might be missing some firmware :S
09:28<themill>|Anthony|: can you pastebin the entire output of the apt run including the command you gave?
09:29<|Anthony|>lets see if i can find it
09:29<themill>|Anthony|: did apt just give up? You can just run "apt-get dist-upgrade" again and pastebin the output
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09:30<|Anthony|>i have a dual boot, so i'm not in the debian os right now
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09:31<nevyn>ev3nturer: apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree
09:31<nevyn>ev3nturer: this will install the required bits to make your network card keep working
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09:32<ev3nturer>will I need anything else or should I just reboot when it's done?
09:32<themill>|Anthony|: ahh. We're going to need to play about to solve this one. Can you irc from that machine running debian? or from another machine?
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09:33<|Anthony|>well... i installed synaptic on that to see if i could easily browse the packages and look for the issue... in doing so, i now have the kde notebook desktop
09:33<|Anthony|>idk how that happened
09:33<|Anthony|>sudo apt-get install synaptic
09:33<|Anthony|>totally changed the desktop ot a netbook
09:33*|Anthony| facepalms
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09:37<ev3nturer>should I just reboot?
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09:42<ev3nturer>ok im booted into the new kernel
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09:43<themill>ev3nturer: we've made some modifications to that factoid for dpkg -- does it look easier to follow for you now?
09:43<themill>dpkg: tell ev3nturer about bdo kernel
09:44<ev3nturer>yeah lol
09:44<ev3nturer>less confusing for beginers
09:44<ev3nturer>yet i still can't spell
09:45<themill>yeah, that's what we were aiming for :) have fun!
09:45<ev3nturer>thank you all the new kernel fixed the intergrated mic problem
09:46<ev3nturer>do I need to keep my old one? or should I get rid of it?
09:48<SynrG>keep it "just in case"
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09:48<ev3nturer>okies :)
09:48<SynrG>you may later find some strange behaviour that you need the old one to compare against
09:49<ev3nturer>well I'm afraid I won't be around to compare, I'm visitng my dad and have been trying to get debian for him, as it works better for his old hardware, lets just hope it will stay stable :)
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09:51<Marijn>Hi there
09:52<Marijn>What is the recommended way to upgrade ca-certificates
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09:53<Marijn>I'm pretty much a noob
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09:53<Marijn>Should I add sid to sources.list and run apt-get with some kind of flag to use that repo?
09:54<Marijn>Any help is _much_ appreciated as I'm having lots of trouble finding any decent articles about it (or I'm a fool using google)
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09:58<SynrG>ev3nturer: don't rule out the possibility your dad might be remotely stepped through the process of booting back to the old kernel in the event such a problem crops up. and in generally, it's good to at least keep two kernels around, the "last known good" one, and the new one you're trying out.
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09:58<SynrG>in general*
09:58<SynrG>ah, missed by || <- that much
09:59<SynrG>Marijn: definitely do not do that
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09:59<Marijn>SynrG: ok, any suggestions :-)
09:59<SynrG>,versions ca-certificates
09:59<judd>Package: ca-certificates on i386 -- lenny: 20080809; lenny-backports: 20090814~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 20090814+nmu3; squeeze: 20090814+nmu3squeeze1; sid: 20120623; wheezy: 20120623
10:00<SynrG>if i were you, i would just go to and click through to the download link, then install the deb
10:00<SynrG>(the sid one)
10:01<SynrG>the problem with adding the sid repo is that if you're not careful with apt pinning, you could end up breaking your system
10:01<SynrG>most people can't be bothered to do the apt pinning, so for one-offs like this, just download and install the .deb
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10:02<Marijn>SynrG: Ok
10:02<Marijn>How do I install a raw .deb?
10:02<megaf>Noo! Why??
10:02<SynrG>Marijn: ah, except not
10:02<SynrG>Marijn: sadly, ca-certificates from sid depends on a newer openssl than squeeze has
10:03<SynrG>so it is not compatible
10:03<megaf>when I finally found the perfect OS for my servers and clients you say you will no longer support OpenVZ? Whys that?
10:03<Marijn>I'm on lenny
10:03<dpkg>Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>.
10:03<Marijn>sorry, I'm on 6.0
10:03<SynrG>that's squeeze.
10:03<megaf>Marijn, what do you mean? raw deb?
10:03<Marijn>Confused the names there
10:03<SynrG>what specific issue are you trying to solve?
10:04<SynrG>megaf: ignore that anyway, as the sid deb is useless to him.
10:04<megaf>Marijn, I think a good solution would be aptitude install gdebi and than gdebi package.deb
10:04<SynrG>that's a solution to the general problem, but not to the specific problem
10:05<Marijn>SynrG: the problem I'm trying to solve is curl complaining about the fact that it can't locate the root certificate
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10:05<SynrG>Marijn: back up ... what is calling curl?
10:05<Marijn>megaf: what does that do?
10:05<Marijn>php curl bindings
10:06<SynrG>Marijn: gdebi would try to install the deb and try to resolve any dependencies. only it would fail with ca-certificates from sid because it has dependencies not satisfiable in squeeze.
10:06<zW>Hi. I'm parsing apt-get upgrade output in perl. (my @updateargs = ("/usr/bin/apt-get", "-qq", "-o", "Dir::Etc::SourceList=/home/patches/etc/sources.list", "update"); / my @output = `@updateargs`;) But for some reason it stops on The following packages will be upgraded: untill I hit the enter key :)
10:06<SynrG>Marijn: ok, back up from there ... what do you need php curl bindings for?
10:06<zW>Ow I pasted the wrong line
10:07<zW>Correct one: my @upgradeargs = ("/usr/bin/apt-get", "-s", "-y", "-o", "Dir::Etc::SourceList=/home/patches/etc/sources.list" ,"upgrade");
10:07<SynrG>Marijn: what's the "top level" user problem you're trying to solve?
10:07<Marijn>I use curl in my PHP application to connect to the Github API to allow OAuth based authentication
10:07*themill wonders if zW would be better with cron-apt
10:07<zW>themill: no :)
10:07<Marijn>But, I don't want to brute force it by ignoring insecure certificates
10:08<zW>themill: cron-apt/unattended upgrades is to bare for me.
10:08<ansgar>Trying to parse output from APT just seems wrong.
10:08<zW>I just need to know why perl stops there untill I hit the enter ker :)
10:08<zW>Maybe I should use STDIN
10:08<Marijn>SynrG: RuntimeException: SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate (uncaught exception)
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10:09<Marijn>SynrG: that is the exact error I get at the moment
10:10<themill>zW: cron-apt is quite configurable... but if you want to build your own solution, perhaps building on top of python-apt would be better then you call libapt directly rather than trying to parse cli output.
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10:10<SynrG>Marijn: are you using entirely software provided from squeeze (except of course for your PHP app itself)?
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10:10<Marijn>you mean in my sources.list?
10:10<tester>you mena?
10:10<SynrG>your sources.list and anything you might have installed using upstream packages instead of apt/aptitude, yeah
10:11<Marijn>SynrG: basically yes...
10:11<tester>basically yes?
10:11<Marijn>SynrG: I have manually installed node,
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10:11<themill>zW: if that's exactly what you're passing to system(), then that should proceed without user input unless you were generating trust warnings
10:11<Marijn>and i have dotdeb packages for my lamp stack
10:11<Marijn>or maybe that's a no :-)
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10:12<SynrG>Marijn: my php-fu is poor. maybe someone else can help?
10:12<zW>themill: I'm using backtics, so I can parse the output
10:12<SynrG>Marijn: ah ... where'd you get those lamp stack packages then?
10:12<Marijn>SynrG: this is really a root certificates issue
10:13<SynrG>you've probably hosed your system
10:13<Marijn>care to explain?
10:13<SynrG>afaik squeeze should not have root certificates issues
10:13<SynrG>which is why i suspected maybe you had broken your system somehow (by mixing in software not intended for squeeze)
10:13<dpkg>Dotdeb ( is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack. Dotdeb packages are unsupported in #debian. The packages from are vastly superior, ask me about <bdo>. To remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'".
10:14<SynrG>Marijn: ^^ this may help
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10:14<Marijn>SynrG: So, dotdeb is for fools
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10:14<SynrG>Marijn: so says this factoid. as i said ... poor php-fu ... i'm taking the factoid's word for it :)
10:15<Marijn>So I best create a new instance, re-install and deploy?
10:15<SynrG>this is a vm?
10:15<themill>the packages are crap but backported php wasn't available for squeeze
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10:15<Marijn>SynrG: yes, Rackspace cloud
10:16<SynrG>so a reinstall isn't going to be too painful, as this part is nicely automated?
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10:17<SynrG>then as for the backported php ...
10:17<Marijn>I'm in the process of creating the builds using chef/knife
10:17<SynrG>themill says "wasn't ..." so that implies "is now"?
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10:17<SynrG>,versions php5
10:17<judd>Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; wheezy: 5.4.4-4; sid: 5.4.4-7; experimental: 5.4.6-1; experimental: 5.4.6-2
10:18<SynrG>hummm ...
10:18<themill>SynrG: was never and will never be.
10:18<themill>SynrG: maintainers wanted to but bpo ftpmasters NAK'd it
10:18<SynrG>Marijn: is a later php a strict requirement for your php app?
10:18<SynrG>if so, you might want to deploy wheezy instead.
10:18<SynrG>if it's not a strict requirement, just use the squeeze version
10:19<SynrG>er, s/version/release/
10:20<Marijn>SynrG: is wheezy stable/
10:20<SynrG>it is unfortunately not
10:20<SynrG>but it is nearing release
10:20<Marijn>That's good enough for me
10:20<SynrG>depending on your requirements, it may or may not suit
10:20<Marijn>as long as it's not bleeding edge
10:20<SynrG>it's not bleeding edge, no. that would be sid (unstable).
10:21<SynrG>wheezy is "testing"
10:21<Marijn>Ok. I'll just install wheezy
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10:22<SynrG>as for wheezy support, see the #debian-next channel
10:22<child>hello, I'm trying to sync iphone at linux, and firstly I used Kvm with -usb -device usb-host,hostbus=2,hostaddr=3 without success, don't recognize my phone.... and after trying to install the imobiledevice also did not work.... someone can do it work ??
10:22<themill>Marijn: is this for public deployment or for internal stuff only?
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10:23<Marijn>themill: public
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10:23<Marijn>Sorry, just to be sure, with public you mean they are accessible servers and not behind a FW?
10:23<themill>Wheezy doesn't yet have dedicated security support -- that's probably a few months off still.
10:24<gsimmons>megaf: (re OpenVZ) A decision was made to no longer support Linux kernel virtualization featuresets that aren't in mainline. Wheezy's vzctl package does include documentation on using precompiled kernel images from the OpenVZ site.
10:24<Marijn>themill, ok… So security releases should be monitored from other packages?
10:24<themill>Marijn: security support is getting better for wheezy and things typically get fixed up within a few days, but it's probably not the same level as a stable release yet
10:25<megaf>gsimmons, hm, ok, thanks for your reply.
10:25<SynrG>themill: thanks for that reminder. i should've mentioned that
10:25<themill>Marijn: well, I assume you're subscribed to the DSA mailing list already ;)
10:25<Marijn>themill: well, I'm willing to take that risk since we are still in the prototyping phase at the moment
10:25<SynrG>Marijn: so do stay on top of security advisories
10:25<SynrG>Marijn: if that phase is long, maybe wheezy will be released by the to you go to production
10:26*SynrG crosses fingers and knocks on wood :)
10:26<Marijn>Thanks for the great advise guys!
10:26<Marijn>Subscribed to the security list
10:26<Marijn>and will install wheezy
10:26<SynrG>Marijn: for planning, see debian-devel-announce mailing list (low traffic) to which the release team periodically posts updates about progress on the release
10:27<Marijn>SynrG: another awesome tip :-)
10:27<themill>SynrG: oh noes.. you'd get all those ctte decisions being mailed to you too!!1!
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10:33<megaf>gsimmons, documentation on OpenVZ website about Wheezy.
10:33<megaf>Kernel installation
10:33<megaf>How about Wheezy?
10:33<megaf>--> Use KVM ;-)
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10:33<megaf>so, goodbye Debian =/
10:33<themill>megaf: lots of lines at once look like a flood... flooders get a /kick from debhelper.
10:34<megaf>I see
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10:48<Marijn>One more question guys.
10:48<Marijn>The Rackspace API doesn't allow me to create Wheezy images
10:49<Marijn>Is it best to just create a squeeze image and update?
10:49<Marijn>This question should have come with a noob alert ;-)
10:49<ev3nturer>Hi I have a peculiar problem, my webcam video capture doesn't seem to work with skype (4) it works fine when using the test function is gstreamer-properties, it works rather badly in cheese (lags a lot) and I get a black screen in skype, any suggestions?
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10:55<ev3nturer>help anyone?
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10:59<movl>what webcam?
10:59<ev3nturer>Microsoft Corp. LifeCam VX-1000
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11:00<Bernat>ev3nturer: try "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/ skype"
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11:02<ev3nturer>yeap that works i tried a slightly different one that didnt work
11:02<ev3nturer>i need to make a shortcut so I don't have to type that in always?
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11:09<bernat>ev3nturer: put this in /usr/local/bin/skype and give it execution perm, "chmod a+x /usr/local/bin/skype"
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11:14<ev3nturer>so you mean out your paste bin in a txt file? and then into that directory?
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11:21<ev3nturer>i did sudo gedit /usr/local/bin/skype and then input your code, what did you mean by give it execution perm?
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11:22<bernat>ev3nturer: sudo chmod a+x /usr/local/bin/skype
11:23<ev3nturer>aha done
11:23<ev3nturer>so now just start skype as per usual?
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11:24<ev3nturer>thank you works great :)
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11:39<zW>mmm, how can I view a socket's listen queue ?
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11:46<waffleking>Do people ever say anything here or what?
11:47<waffleking>I guess thats a no
11:47<waffleking>This stinks I'm switching to Ubuntu
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11:57<mjk>Any recommendation on SIM(!) card reader that is usable with Debian out of the box?
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11:58<Zaba>mjk, any half-decent gsm/3g modem? :P
11:59<JoeKun>I'm trying to install debian kfreebsd-amd64 on a machine without a CD drive, by dd'ing the netinst ISO to a USB stick; I always end up with an unbootable usb stick. Does any one know if those images are built with isohybrid ?
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12:03<SynrG>JoeKun: the hallmark of an isohybrid will be if you fdisk -l the image it will complain bitterly, like:
12:04<SynrG>Error: Invalid partition table - recursive partition on /u11/u12/home/synrg/projects/live-test/binary.hybrid.iso
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12:05<mjk>Zaba: Hmmm ... I /do/ a fairly new one, never thought of that ...
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12:06<mjk>Zaba: Are these modems PC/SC compliant usually, so I can just use Debian's <forgotsimcardreadingpackagename>?
12:06<Zaba>mjk, it really depends on what you mean by 'reading' a sim card, but a modem can sensibly talk to it (including AT+CSIM for arbitrary requests)
12:06<mjk>Zaba: I actually want to get off my SMS of it :-)
12:06<Zaba>mjk, yes, modems often can send/receive SMSes
12:06<mjk>Zaba: Because my mobile has only room for 300 of them ...
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12:07<Zaba>mjk, I believe 3GPP 27.005 specifies the commands
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12:07<mjk>Cool! If I find it, I'll look up if it can talk to some Debian package
12:07<Zaba>mjk, minicom/picocom :P
12:07<mjk>Oooh ...
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12:08<elcot>hey frzzz
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12:08<mjk>You mean it would really only need AT commands to get the SMS in a readable format?
12:08<mjk>Or in a format that could be parsed by some Debian package ...
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12:08<Zaba>mjk, depends
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12:09<Zaba>if it's in the 7-bit GSM alphabet, then yes
12:09<Zaba>you need to do AT+CMGF=1 so that it's in text mode, IIRC
12:09<dmgie>when i run sudo su i get this: user is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
12:09<Zaba>if it's outside the 7-bit alphabet, it probably depends on what AT+CSCS is set to
12:09<mjk>Aaaaah, valuable hints, thanks!
12:09<mjk>Yeah, Euro country here =)
12:09<Zaba>some modems support UCS2
12:09<Zaba>some modems claim that they do, but don't really
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12:10<Zaba>either way, it's usually pretty easy to debutcher even the non-english messages (I have written a tool to do that for cyrillic ones in a few minutes, for example)
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12:12<Zaba>mjk, when +CMGF is 0, it just spits non-decoded PDU at you. And there's +CMGL to list, +CMGR to read, +CMGD to delete messages.
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12:13<mjk>Zaba: Thanks! *purr*
12:14<Zaba>is it working? :P
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12:14<mjk>Zaba: Can't tell yet, have yet to find my modem. :-}
12:14<Zaba>and I really recommend getting your hands at 3GPP 27.005, 27.007 and whatever modem-specific documentation you can obtain
12:15<mjk>Bought it just in case I'd need it someday and stashed it away ... uhm ... maybe here? ... No ... or here? .... no ...
12:15<Zaba>the 3gpp docs are pretty informative, and some things like encodings can be hard to figure out otherwise
12:15<Zaba>(not to mention what exactly command arguments do, even for more obvious things like +CMGL, because I don't remember >_>)
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12:25<ring1>i'm trying to adjust the mtu for eth0. therefore i put a line 'mtu 1492' in /etc/network/interfaces is there something i'm forgetting about?
12:25<babilen>ring1: Telling us what the problem is comes to mind ;)
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12:26<ring1>ifconfig still shows mtu 1500
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12:26<ring1>babilen, of course :)
12:26<Maulkin>ring1: have you taken the interface down and up again?
12:26<ring1>Maulkin, yes
12:27<ring1>if i do it manually with 'ifconfig eth0 mtu 1492' it works
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12:27<babilen>ring1: How do you take the interface down and up?
12:27<bernat>ring1: have you tried /etc/init.d/networking restart?
12:28<ring1>babilen, i tried 'ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up' and 'invoke-rc.d networking restart'
12:28<Maulkin>ring1: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0
12:28<ring1>Maulkin, alright
12:28<bernat>ring1: rebooting?
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12:29<ring1>bernat, after rebooting the mtu stayed at 1500
12:29<nicelyToasted>hmmm.... i've got vm.swappiness set to 0. but it will still swap if it runs outta ram. i'd rather oomkiller do its thing. i don;t wanna turn off swap completely because i use it for hibernation. suggestions?
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12:30<babilen>networking restart should do a "ifdown -a ; ifup -a" which doesn't necessarily active all interfaces. (hence the warning) -- eth0 will *not* be automatically taken up because you are missing a "auto eth0" stanza in /e/n/i -- But Maulkin's commands should work.
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12:30<bernat>nicelyToasted: let the kernel do its thing, I think it knows better
12:32<ring1>babilen, yes, i noticed networking restart doesn't bring up eth0, i brought it up with ifconfig eth0 up.
12:32<nicelyToasted>bernat, not on a desktop system. processes need to die, not hang the system and subsequently risk filesystem damage upon restart
12:33<babilen>ring1: You *have* to use ifup if you want your settings in /etc/network/interfaces to be applied.
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12:33<ring1>babilen, well, as i just pasted, i used ifdown and ifup, but it still did not take the mtu value :(
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12:34<babilen>ring1: Yes, I've seen it and don't really understand why.
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12:35<ring1>i'm sure, i did not do anything different than putting the mtu value in /e/n/i in the past and it used to work
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12:35<babilen>ring1: indeed
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12:36<ev3nturer>Hi i'm just wondering whether I should install a nvidia linux display driver or keep the one from debian
12:37<retrospectacus>ev3nturer: the nvidia one is also in debian. See
12:38<ev3nturer>oh :S
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12:39<ring1>babilen, well, the network is working with 1500 as mtu, too. but since i'm using pppoe, some minor connection problem could occur as i read
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12:41<ring1>i could put 'ifconfig eth0 mtu 1492' in rc.local but this doesn't really look clean :)
12:41<blubberdiblub>ring1, maybe you can work around it with a post-up entry in interfaces. i'd prefer "ip" over "ifconfig", tho, but it's up to you
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12:44<babilen>ev3nturer: And *please* do not read that page as it is horrible. Which card do you have?
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12:45<ev3nturer>nvidia 6200 i think
12:45<ev3nturer>not sure of the exact version though
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12:46<ev3nturer>i just think they may be functioning inproperly as I have installed a game and the input lags even in the menues, i.e mouse and keyboard time lag after input
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12:47<babilen>ev3nturer: Are you running Debian right now? if so: Could you execute "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" and show me the output?
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12:50<babilen>ev3nturer: Which Debian version are you using?
12:50<ev3nturer>debian squeeze although im using an update kernel
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12:50<babilen>ev3nturer: You are using a kernel from backports that is?
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12:53<babilen>ev3nturer: Make sure that you enable contrib and non-free for backports too. Run "aptitude -r -t squeeze-backports linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Please finish the installation and configuration with "update-initramfs -u" and reboot the system.
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12:55<ev3nturer>babilen I'm a relative new commer to the world of console commands, that one whole command?
12:56<joseph-soares>hi. Can I ask about ssh?
12:56<joseph-soares>I'd like to know how change timeout to a connection
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12:58<ev3nturer>im confused
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12:59<babilen>ev3nturer: Ah, sorry. My bad. Make that "aptitude -r -t squeeze-backports install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms". Continue with the rest afterwards.
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13:01<ev3nturer>im running that, but what's left to continue with the update-initramfs -u ?
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13:03<babilen>ev3nturer: After that is done (you could show me the output to make sure that it worked correctly) you continue with "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" and "update-initramfs -u" .
13:05<ev3nturer>is there meant to be an output from mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf ?
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13:10<SynrG>ev3nturer: the output is to the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf but nothing else shows, i.e. you are just returned to a command prompt
13:10<SynrG>you can examine the contents of that file. it should look like a valid nvidia driver section
13:11<ev3nturer>no offence synrg id have trouble locating it, and more importantly wouldnt know what a valid nvidia driver section looks like in linux
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13:12<ev3nturer>babilen was all well in the paste bin ?
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13:15<SynrG>ev3nturer: as for locating it, i gave you the path to it, so just:
13:15<SynrG>cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
13:15<babilen>ev3nturer: No. You forgot to ensure that you can install contrib and non-free packages from backports as well. Could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to please?
13:16<ring1>blubberdiblub, so, you would choose something like 'ip link set eth0 mtu 1492'?
13:17<babilen>ev3nturer: This caused you to install the nvidia-kernel-dkms version from squeeze-proposed-updates (cf. line 28) which in turn causes a compilation failure against the kernel from backports (cf. line 101)
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13:17<babilen>ev3nturer: Do you have a particular reason for running a i386 system btw?
13:17<charlos>Buenas, alguien que hable castellano?
13:17<blubberdiblub>ring1, "ip link set dev eth0 mtu 1492" (note the dev), yes
13:18<ev3nturer>windows said it was a 32bit system
13:18<ev3nturer>isn't that i386?
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13:18<babilen>ev3nturer: Which CPU and how much RAM do you have?
13:19<ev3nturer>synrg yeap it identified as nvidia driver
13:19<ring1>blubberdiblub, ok, why the 'dev'?
13:19<ev3nturer>3.5gb and a single core processor
13:19<ev3nturer>intel pentinum 4
13:20<blubberdiblub>ring1, it's a keyword. i don't know if it works without the dev keyword, but even if it does, i'd prefer to use it with the keyword, so it's never ambiguous
13:20<ring1>blubberdiblub, alright, thanks
13:21<babilen>ev3nturer: That's fine then. You need to change your /etc/apt/sources.list so it looks like -- I more or less only removed superfluous entries and added "contrib non-free" in certain places. The most important change is that you add "contrib non-free" to the backports line as you need that to install the nvidia driver from there.
13:22<ev3nturer>should I just copy and paste then
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13:22<babilen>ev3nturer: Please make these changes and run "apt-get update". You then have to replace the squeeze version of nvidia-kernel-dkms with the one from backports, which can be done by running "aptitude -r -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms" -- Please show me the output of that command. :)
13:22<babilen>ev3nturer: Yeah, you could just copy and paste that list.
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13:25<ev3nturer>apt-get update >
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13:26<jemadux>there is askfedora askubuntu , when will be askdebian ?
13:27<babilen>jemadux: You might want to work on your google skills ;)
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13:27<ev3nturer>babilen so back to your earlier question am I runnin the correct architecture?
13:27<jemadux>babilen: :/ yes, i forgot to do that
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13:28<babilen>ev3nturer: yes you are. Please run "aptitude -r -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms" now and show me the output of that :)
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13:28<ev3nturer>yes, i am waiting for it to complete :)
13:28<babilen>Ah :)
13:29<ev3nturer>have a conflict
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13:30<ev3nturer>having read and understood it, guessing it's not a problem lol
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13:31<ev3nturer> here we go :)
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13:35<babilen>ev3nturer: May I still see the output?
13:35<ev3nturer>yes it's above babilen
13:36<jemadux> = drupal ?
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13:37<babilen>ev3nturer: Where? That is just the debconf question -- I am interested in the textual output of the command. (what remains when you close the "the nouveau module conflicts .." window
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13:37<ev3nturer>i pressed enter and it carried on
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13:39<babilen>ev3nturer: Looks fine -- Please run "update-initramfs -u" now and reboot :)
13:39<gsimmons>babilen: FWIW, the update-initramfs step isn't necessary WRT squeeze-backports (it's called in nvidia-kernel-common's postinst).
13:40<ev3nturer>when i reboot i will be running the latest backport nvidia driver?
13:40<gsimmons>jemadux: Shapado (as stated in page footers).
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13:40<babilen>gsimmons: I wanted to investigate that later as I suspected that alreday (in the light of our discussion yesterday) -- Thanks for pointing it out.
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13:40<babilen>ev3nturer: yes -- and you don't have to run the update-initramfs command as gsimmons pointed out.
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13:40<ev3nturer>i ran it anyway :)
13:41<ev3nturer>many thanks for the help
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13:44<corpus>hello to all, i am trying to write a bash script for backup proposes. i want to use tar and also i want to limit the cpu usage of tar command to 30 %. can anyone help ?
13:44<ev3nturer>just rebooted, came back to check if the process had been finished?
13:44<corpus>i found cpulimit on google but can't got it run properly in the script
13:46<tale>corpus: Is nice what you want?
13:46<blubberdiblub>corpus, why must it be limited to 30%? is it about power consumption or heat and/or noise production? if not, why not just run it with a high nice level?
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13:46<babilen>ev3nturer: Please run "glxinfo|grep -iE render(er|ing)" and paste the output
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13:47<corpus>blubberdiblub, is a small vps with low cpu
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13:47<corpus>tale, i don't want to use nice
13:47<babilen>Why not?
13:47<ev3nturer>glxinfo|grep -iE render(er|ing)
13:48<corpus>babilen, i want to set the cpu usage to 30% not to low priority as nice
13:48<themill>babilen: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
13:48<ev3nturer>bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' is the output
13:48<babilen>ev3nturer: Err, 'glxinfo|grep -iE "render(er|ing)"'
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13:48<themill>(glxinfo|grep render would probably be enough)
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13:49<babilen>themill: That results in *ONE* line that I am not interested in!
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13:49<babilen>(but admittedly less fail)
13:49<ev3nturer>direct rendering: Yes
13:49<ev3nturer>OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 6200/AGP/SSE2
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13:50<ev3nturer>I'm aloud to paste two lines right :)
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13:50<babilen>ev3nturer: That looks correct and I would say that the installation worked.
13:50<corpus>in debian nice is p nice - Extension of Java with parametric types, multi-methods, and more
13:50<ev3nturer>many thanks :)
13:51<corpus>is it right ?
13:51<ev3nturer>I must go now, thanks again for all the help debians :)
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13:51<babilen>corpus: Try "man nice" and "info coreutils 'nice invocation'"
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13:53<corpus>hmm i run nice -n 19 tar cpzf but gzip it uses over 70% of cpu usage
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13:54<tale>corpus: Why does cpu have to be just 30 %?
13:54<corpus>taiten, not to overload my vps
13:54<corpus>tale, not to overload my vps
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13:55<corpus>its a lowend vps ; )
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13:55<tale>corpus: So you are not allowed to load it more than 30 %?
13:56<corpus>no but is a production web server and i want to limit the cpu usage
13:56<babilen>corpus: Why can't you use *all* resources that are available how limited they might be in the first place?
13:56<jespada>anyone have successfully used VMBuilder with --suite=squeeze.. seems like the version I got from git:// supports only lenny and etch
13:56<corpus>i can
13:56<blubberdiblub>i think you've got a misconception of how nice works, corpus
13:56<corpus>but i don't want
13:56<babilen>corpus: If anything else needs the CPU "nicer" processes will just use less CPU.
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13:57<corpus>babilen, thanks
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13:57<corpus>i think i got it
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13:57<babilen>corpus: A very nice process will however still use as much CPU as it needs/gets *iff* nothing else needs it.
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13:58<corpus>testing it now, load is 0.95
13:59<corpus>ok, i think nice is ok
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13:59<corpus>thanks to all
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14:54<KatharsisFreak>Anyone here who has build a successfull Amazon EC2 instance with Debian Wheezy?
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15:34<Knogle>I never had problems before, but suddenly after rebooting I can ping other computers on the network, but not localhost.. anyone got any idea why?
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16:12<retrospectacus>hi pinguy
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16:37<retrospectacus>hi dewilman
16:37<dewilman>how are u retro :D
16:37<dewilman>im sorry i must be logout
16:37<retrospectacus>great! Do you have a debian question?
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17:02<BlackFate>hello. how i can set specific ipv4 address to an interface if dhcp fails?
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17:05<smhar>someone suggested I use amd64 for the intel i5, is this right?
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17:06<smhar>movl, so an i5 is not an ia64? or i386?
17:06<movl>i386 works also
17:06<movl>ia64 no way
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17:08<smhar>movl, good. so for my new Dell i5 laptop I should use debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso for the net install?
17:08<daemonkeeper>smhar: IA64 has nothing to do with your (consumer) AMD64 platform which is supported by Intel CPUs as well.
17:08<daemonkeeper>IA64 is for Itanium servers (and mostly a dead end)
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17:10<movl>a very expensive dead end, at that :)
17:10<BlackFate>"hello. how i can set specific ipv4 address to an interface if dhcp fails?" Solver ->
17:10<smhar>any reason why I should use i386 image instead of amd64 for the i5?
17:11<BlackFate>smhar, no reason
17:12<smhar>good. so I will start downloading debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso now. thanks everyone
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17:56<hellektro>hello, can anyone recommend me a good cli ftp client?
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18:16<naxal>есть кто ? живой ?
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20:12<breno>I need help, please.
20:12<abrotman>so ask
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20:17<nevyn>!tell breno about ask
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20:17<breno>was with Ubuntu and Windows on my PC. I tried to install Debian, but I had a problem he does not want to install grub or lilo. Now I can not access any of the systems, because the boot is defective. How can I fix grub (Debian, Ubuntu and Windows).
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20:18<nevyn>breno: so you can't boot anything at all?
20:19<breno>no, I can not boot anything. In an attempt to install it failed to install Debian or one of the bootloaders.
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20:20<breno>I can only boot from the live-usb
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21:08<child>hey guys, I'm trying to put my domain on my desktop server with dynamic IP, and what's the "key " to make my computer with dynamic IP be a dns server for my domain... ?? I used bind9, but seems it's to intranet.... what can you tell me? thanks
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21:33<nevyn>child: so.. don't do that?
21:33<nevyn>child: use a !dynamicdns service
21:33<dpkg> (formerly is a dynamic DNS service provider, allowing a DNS name to be mapped to your IP address. It is no longer free except for limited-length trials, ask me about <no-ip> for a free alternative.
21:33<dpkg>No-IP is a dynamic DNS service provider. The update clients packaged for Debian are inadyn and noip2. The update client (noip2) is not part of the Squeeze release due to Debian bug #601220.
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21:57<|Anthony|>i am getting this message: The audio playback device HDA Intel (ALC662 rev1 Analog) does not work. Falling back to Default
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21:57<|Anthony|>but that is the onboard audio
21:57<|Anthony|>the pc beep is working lol
21:58<|Anthony|>when i did the squeeze install earlier today, i remember it complaining about it not having firmware
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22:39<salamander>how can I change xterm fontsize?? I cant find it on the man pages.
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22:46<salamander>hi, is there anybody out there??
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22:51<nevyn>salamander: ctrl rightclick select.. huge
22:51<nevyn>or tiny
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22:55<salamander>nevyn: thanx, what im looking for is a way to configure .xtermrc or some configuration file so that huge thing happen everytime i startx
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23:03<tuv>can anyone apt-update from deb-multimedia? the website says it won't work with aptitude, but should work with apt-get. both result in 'Hash sum mismatch' errors for me
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23:13<nevyn>salamander: welcome to the special fun that is xresources.
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23:32<salamander>nevyn: thanx I'm dealing with xresources now
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