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| 00:08 | <Osiris_X> | is a local email address on debian <username>@localhost or <username>@<computername> or something else? |
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| 00:20 | <tuv> | Osiris_X: cat /etc/mailname, i think |
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| 02:45 | <BoBdOlE> | hello everyone :) |
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| 02:45 | <BoBdOlE> | no Im not a bot cause I know that question is coming next lol |
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| 03:08 | <julius> | hello guys! one quick question: how can i force a single service to use a openvpn interface? iptables? |
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| 03:52 | <willemb> | Hi guys. I think I asked about it here about a year ago as well, but I hope things have changed a bit since then |
| 03:52 | <willemb> | What is the status of clamuko in debian? |
| 03:53 | <willemb> | can I use it? |
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| 03:53 | <willemb> | Last time I tried, clam in debian wasn't compiled for it, or something. |
| 03:53 | <tale> | willemb: There is no package named clamuko in Debian. |
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| 03:54 | <willemb> | tale: it is supposed to be a feature in clamav-daemon, not a package of its own, isn't it? |
| 03:54 | <tale> | willemb: I have no idea. First time I see the word clamuko. |
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| 03:57 | <Xubuntu> | hello, can smomebody helo me with xfce ? |
| 03:58 | <tale> | willemb: If you know clamako should be in clamav-deamon, you can see if it is included in some of the files. http://packages.debian.org/sid/ia64/clamav-daemon/filelist |
| 03:58 | <tale> | !tell Xubuntu about ask |
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| 04:00 | <Xubuntu> | I have problem with xfce panel, when i minimize browser or other soft it not appears in panel |
| 04:01 | <Xubuntu> | what intem to panel i should add or what ? |
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| 04:02 | <willemb> | thanks |
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| 04:07 | <babilen> | Xubuntu: You want #xubuntu or #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net -- This is #debian and Ubuntu is not supported in here. If you need more information or a clickable link please "/msg dpkg ubuntuirc" |
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| 04:46 | <testu> | hi? |
| 04:46 | <testu> | anybody online? |
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| 04:47 | <testu> | It's the first time I use xchat |
| 04:47 | <babilen> | testu: You are alone. What do you need help with? |
| 04:47 | <testu> | just to find some friends |
| 04:48 | <babilen> | testu: This is a technical support channel for Debian and not a social "chat channel". I would suggest a channel such as #moocows or a completely different network. Good luck! |
| 04:48 | <babilen> | !tell testu -about irc tutorial |
| 04:49 | <testu> | thanks |
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| 04:52 | <willemb> | Ok, since clamuko is a no-go, can someone reccommend a different on-access virus scanner? |
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| 04:53 | <fiore> | !list |
| 04:53 | <dpkg> | fiore: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 04:56 | <gnugr> | willemb:check on this http://wiki.debian.org/PkgClamavData?highlight=%28clamav%29 |
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| 04:59 | <tale> | gnugr: I think what willemb wants is on access scanner, that is to scan each file as it is opened in any application. |
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| 05:01 | <willemb> | yes |
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| 05:04 | <willemb> | would catching vulnerable joomla exploits as they are uploaded be a job better suited for mod_security than clam's PUA module? |
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| 05:06 | <perlwizard> | "catching vulnerable joomla exploits as they are uploaded" |
| 05:06 | <perlwizard> | I... what |
| 05:06 | <perlwizard> | willemb what. |
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| 05:08 | <willemb> | perlwizard: We host websites. Our customers like CMS's. Script kiddies like exploiting known vulnerabilities in joomla extensions. We don't like it when they do. The clam PUA module CAN identify these. The scale is just too large, so putting a scan result in a file doesn't work |
| 05:08 | <willemb> | perlwizard: so by 'catch' I meant 'detect' or 'block'. |
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| 05:16 | <perlwizard> | so getting buggy software out of the equation is not an option? |
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| 05:17 | <willemb> | perlwizard: we have about 20 000 joomla instances :-) |
| 05:17 | <willemb> | most of them out of date |
| 05:17 | <willemb> | most hosted by customers who paid someone else once-off to set up a site for them |
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| 05:31 | <gnugr> | willemb:did you install clamAV? |
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| 05:33 | <willemb> | gnugr: yes, we have clamav |
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| 05:34 | <gnugr> | willemb:works as daemon or manualy for updates |
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| 05:38 | <gnugr> | willemb:try it with "clamscan -r /location_of_files_or_folders" if you've done with updates |
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| 05:39 | <tale> | willemb: Maybe you could cook something yourself, by using FAM to notice file writes and then scan that file. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Alteration_Monitor |
| 05:41 | * | daemonkeeper mentions incrond |
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| 06:06 | <Marijn> | Where can I see the list of packages that are available using apt-get? |
| 06:06 | <Marijn> | is there something like apt-get search? |
| 06:07 | <themill> | apt-cache search (or aptitude search) |
| 06:07 | <Marijn> | Cheers :-) |
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| 06:17 | <vidal> | buenos dias |
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| 06:18 | <nicelyToasted> | hmmm.... i've got vm.swappiness set to 0. but it will still swap if it runs outta ram. i'd rather oomkiller do its thing. i don;t wanna turn off swap completely because i use it for hibernation. suggestions? |
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| 06:23 | <movl> | fstab? |
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| 06:25 | <movl> | or swapoff |
| 06:26 | <movl> | and in the name of lord, why? |
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| 06:29 | <SynrG> | as for hibernation, i believe the hibernation image can be configured to go elsewhere |
| 06:29 | <SynrG> | probably in the kernel docs somewhere |
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| 06:31 | <nicelyToasted> | movl, cause this is a desktop system and when it swaps it becomes unresponsive which i find unacceptable. |
| 06:31 | <movl> | :) |
| 06:31 | <nicelyToasted> | i can put swapon/swapoff in suspend/resume scripts but seems not optimal |
| 06:31 | <movl> | how much RAM? |
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| 06:31 | <nicelyToasted> | i think i'll have to read kernel docs instead |
| 06:31 | <nicelyToasted> | movl, 2gb |
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| 06:32 | <movl> | and you want to run swapless with 2 GB? |
| 06:32 | <movl> | ... |
| 06:32 | <nicelyToasted> | yep |
| 06:32 | <bernat> | nicelyToasted: still trying that? isn't it unacceptable killing proccesses at will? |
| 06:33 | <movl> | just fmi, what desktop env./applications are you using? |
| 06:33 | <nicelyToasted> | bernat, on this system if a process has grown large enough to swap i want it dead |
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| 06:34 | <bernat> | nicelyToasted: good luck |
| 06:34 | <nicelyToasted> | oomkiller is pretty smart about killing the right process, and only the right one |
| 06:34 | <nicelyToasted> | movl, gnome2/firefox/xchat |
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| 06:35 | <movl> | oh, so you're doing something important and OOMkiller terminates your firefox abruptly |
| 06:35 | <movl> | nice touch |
| 06:36 | <movl> | 'cause FF is prolly the most likely to get killed, as it eats memory like a pig' |
| 06:36 | <nicelyToasted> | movl, good point. it would be kinda nice if the kerrnel watched the process grow and suspended it so i could choose whether to kill it or let it swap. or kill some other apps to free up ram |
| 06:36 | <nicelyToasted> | that would be ideal |
| 06:37 | <movl> | ideal != real |
| 06:37 | <movl> | what would be ideal is you having 8 GB of RAM |
| 06:37 | <movl> | but you do not |
| 06:37 | <movl> | so use swap |
| 06:37 | <movl> | :) |
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| 06:38 | * | perlwizard runs swapless with 4 GB |
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| 06:39 | <nicelyToasted> | movl, but surely that would be a great feature for a desktop system. linux could beat windows/osx to it :) |
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| 06:40 | <movl> | I wouldn't like to be interrupted from my work constantly to be asked what I want to do with a process |
| 06:40 | <movl> | and most OSX/Windows users don't even know what a process is :P |
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| 06:41 | <magnetophon> | what is the common denominator between X11 and ncurses? those 2 misbehave graphically, but cli and things like nano are OK. |
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| 06:41 | <Apollo> | define misbehave |
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| 06:42 | <nicelyToasted> | movl, constantly??? this is only in the case where a system is about to start thrashing and become unresponsive |
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| 06:44 | <movl> | ok, so you don't have memory resources, but you have to dig up some more for the popup that asks you what to do |
| 06:44 | <movl> | not much sense |
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| 06:45 | <bernat> | nicelyToasted: without swap your hardly ever used processes will be using your much valued ram |
| 06:45 | <bernat> | nicelyToasted: things are done for a reason as much as you don't understand it |
| 06:45 | <bernat> | s/as much as/although/ |
| 06:46 | <nicelyToasted> | bernat, no i do get that. its the thrashing i want to avoid. i've had to magic-sysreq this system a few times because i can't even get a virtual console up after 5 mins |
| 06:46 | <movl> | get a faster mobo/hard disk |
| 06:47 | <magnetophon> | Apollo: X11 doesn't "erase" the mouse, and only draws menu's on mouse-over (but and aslo don't erase). most other things are not drawn at all. just window decorations, the default debian desktop BG, and the panel (xfce4). ncurses draws symbols instead of some of the text blocks. |
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| 06:47 | <SynrG> | nicelyToasted: re iceweasel memory usage, using any extensions? have flash, javascript enabled? why not attack the problem directly? |
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| 06:48 | <bernat> | nicelyToasted: you can try use less memory or buy ram, this could help but disabling swap not |
| 06:48 | <SynrG> | seems like an "accommodation for failure" solution. these rarely end well. it's much more costly to fix than prevention, and the "fix" is often worse than the cure |
| 06:49 | <bernat> | as good as switching off the computer |
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| 06:50 | <nicelyToasted> | it seems to me that there would be a kernel option to hibernate to a device but not swap to it. people with flash would need this as swapping would kill their chips. if i can do this, i'll just make my swap smaller, so i still get the advantage of swapping out unused stuff but dont get the thrashing |
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| 08:26 | <PaulePanter> | What does Debian use the group `users` for? |
| 08:26 | <PaulePanter> | I did not find anything on the Web due to the common word users. |
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| 08:27 | <BlackFate> | PaulePanter, anything you like... |
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| 08:34 | <dddq> | !debian sid |
| 08:34 | <dddq> | !debian sid |
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| 08:35 | <dddq> | !debian sid |
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| 08:38 | <PaulePanter> | BlackFate: Thanks. So it has no default meaning. |
| 08:39 | <PaulePanter> | Is there a document describing all groups and their purposes. |
| 08:39 | <PaulePanter> | … set up by default by Debian. |
| 08:39 | <PaulePanter> | ? |
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| 08:40 | <BlackFate> | PaulePanter, http://wiki.gacq.com/index.php/Debian_default_system_groups_description |
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| 08:51 | <ayaka> | I can use "../source/configure ; make" not to make object files create in source diretory, but if I want to configure and compile kernel, how to do like this |
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| 08:52 | <PaulePanter> | BlackFate: Thanks! |
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| 08:55 | <TobiX> | ayaka: That is not a Debian question. But take a look at "make help", O= might be the option you are looking for |
| 08:55 | <ayaka> | TobiX, thank you |
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| 10:32 | <vikram> | hey |
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| 10:50 | <mart_n> | Any suggestions for a good password manager? Anyone tryed fpm2? Something that will be resilient and stay compliant? |
| 10:51 | <@Ganneff> | keepassx |
| 10:52 | <babilen> | (revelation for a GTK alternative (less features though I think)) |
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| 10:55 | <blubberdiblub> | i'm using keepassx, too. on serveral different systems (debian, windows, android). other password managers may be able to read keepassx datafiles, too. if interoperability is a concern, you might want to research what file formats they support and if they can write them |
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| 10:55 | <mart_n> | not much about interoperability, but mainly the possibility to recover password manually if need be |
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| 10:56 | <nevyn> | how do you mean? |
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| 10:56 | <nevyn> | and what do you mean by "stay compliant?" |
| 10:56 | <mart_n> | I mean I could with my master password and some usual cryto command recover my stuff |
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| 10:57 | <nevyn> | ah. |
| 10:57 | <mart_n> | without the explicit manager software |
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| 10:58 | <ratnick> | How are schemas set in gconf? |
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| 11:01 | <furlinux> | !list |
| 11:01 | <dpkg> | furlinux: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 11:19 | <ratnick> | gconf schemas? |
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| 11:42 | <r4ph431> | hi |
| 11:42 | <r4ph431> | doing php -r 'print ini_get("session.save_path");' output nothing (ie: "") |
| 11:42 | <r4ph431> | according to http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-php/php.git;a=blob;f=debian/patches/session_save_path.patch;h=53b9cae5ee109c2a8bad45c82e13f6fb0a3e30c7;hb=debian-squeeze |
| 11:42 | <r4ph431> | a non-patch php.ini should bring /var/lib/php5 isn't ? |
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| 11:42 | <EmleyMoor> | I have a compiled program giving no sound on my desktop system, but it's fine on my laptop. How do I trace why? I get sound from other programs OK |
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| 11:45 | <tale> | EmleyMoor: Try sound troubleshooting page in the wiki. |
| 11:45 | <EmleyMoor> | (it's fuse (Spectrum emulator)) |
| 11:46 | <EmleyMoor> | tale: How do I find itL |
| 11:46 | <EmleyMoor> | ? |
| 11:46 | <tale> | EmleyMoor: Gootle. |
| 11:47 | <tale> | EmleyMoor: Google, that is. |
| 11:47 | <tale> | EmleyMoor: Google for instance debian sound troubleshooting |
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| 11:48 | <EmleyMoor> | So "in the wiki" was a pink herring? |
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| 11:48 | <tale> | EmleyMoor: Well, you can use any page you want, in wiki or otherwise. And it is red. |
| 11:48 | <EmleyMoor> | A red herring is more definite than a pink one |
| 11:49 | <tale> | EmleyMoor: You mean pink unicorns. |
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| 11:50 | <EmleyMoor> | All the pages seem to be aimed at "no sound at all" |
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| 11:51 | <tale> | EmleyMoor: You wrote your problem was "no sound on my desktop system" |
| 11:51 | <EmleyMoor> | No, I wrote that "I have a compiled program giving...", not "There is..." |
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| 11:53 | <EmleyMoor> | I get sound as expected otherwise. However this program gives none on my desktop system |
| 11:54 | <tale> | EmleyMoor: Does the program give any error messages? |
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| 11:55 | <EmleyMoor> | No. It just plain fails to produce sound |
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| 11:55 | <tale> | EmleyMoor: Did you try starting it in a command window? And still get no error messages? |
| 11:56 | <EmleyMoor> | tale: Never start it anywhere else. |
| 11:56 | <tale> | EmleyMoor: If yes, maybe run under strace and compare outputs on laptop and desktop. |
| 11:56 | <EmleyMoor> | Megaspew! Need to trap that somewhere usable... |
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| 12:02 | <EmleyMoor> | Finding anything obvious in all that is going to be difficult |
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| 12:03 | <xubuntu> | hi |
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| 12:07 | <EmleyMoor> | Unfortunately I cannot work this out |
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| 12:08 | <tale> | EmleyMoor: Did you compile the program separately on the laptop and desktop? Or copied the binary from laptop to desktop? |
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| 12:08 | <EmleyMoor> | tale: Compiled separately. |
| 12:09 | <EmleyMoor> | Oddly enough this is the first time I've tried this program since banishing pulseaudio from the desktop (but it isn't on the laptop anyway) |
| 12:09 | <movl> | ewww |
| 12:09 | <EmleyMoor> | ewww? |
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| 12:15 | <EmleyMoor> | I've found it... obviously some error caused the sound to be disabled in the app, but enabling it gives me two lines of error message: |
| 12:15 | <EmleyMoor> | Couldn't open sound device 'default', using 'plughw:0,0' check ALSA configuration. |
| 12:15 | <EmleyMoor> | ... is the first one, and the one I consider significant |
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| 12:18 | <EmleyMoor> | ... so, now I've found that, how do I find out the problem? |
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| 12:18 | <tale> | EmleyMoor: Seems the program is using sound configuration that does not work on your desktop. |
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| 12:19 | <tale> | EmleyMoor: Maybe compare what aplications where sound works are doing? |
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| 12:19 | <tale> | EmleyMoor: Or try alsamixer or other sound config apps. |
| 12:19 | <EmleyMoor> | alsamixer works fine... |
| 12:20 | <tale> | EmleyMoor: I'm sure it does, but does looking at the settings give a clue why your program is silent? Or try altering the mixer settings, does that make sound happen? |
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| 12:20 | <EmleyMoor> | tale: No and no. |
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| 12:24 | <EmleyMoor> | How do I see if it's a busy device stopping it? |
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| 12:25 | <egor> | есть русские на этом канале??? |
| 12:26 | <EmleyMoor> | !ru |
| 12:26 | <dpkg> | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 12:26 | <egor> | thanks |
| 12:26 | <egor> | )) |
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| 12:32 | <EmleyMoor> | Sorted... crap left over in .asoundrc |
| 12:33 | <SynrG> | ah, makes sense |
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| 12:35 | <EmleyMoor> | Just wondering, when I set my new laptop up, is there any way I can mark a certain package to require manual intervention before it will install? |
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| 12:36 | <EmleyMoor> | (i.e. never install unless I specifically say yes) |
| 12:36 | <tale> | EmleyMoor: Put it on hold. |
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| 12:37 | <EmleyMoor> | tale: I'll try that... |
| 12:37 | <SynrG> | !hold |
| 12:37 | <dpkg> | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. |
| 12:37 | <SynrG> | note the "Note" above :) |
| 12:37 | <EmleyMoor> | Right... |
| 12:38 | <EmleyMoor> | But it can hold at "not installed"? |
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| 12:38 | <SynrG> | yeah |
| 12:38 | <SynrG> | i tend to use dpkg --set-selections and apt-get, personally |
| 12:38 | <SynrG> | don't use aptitude, so i don't have to worry about the aptitude hold issue |
| 12:41 | * | EmleyMoor is not worrying much about the state of his current laptop, as it's going to be nuked and paved with Windows 7 (!) as soon as his new one is set up |
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| 12:46 | <EmleyMoor> | Now, another question: Is there a network managing tool that can give different priorities to different connections? (e.g. prefer one wireless over another over 3G...) |
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| 13:05 | <tale> | EmleyMoor: Yes. Unfortunately I do not know how to do it. |
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| 13:08 | <crd> | EmleyMoor: wpa_supplicant can do that, see https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/WPA_supplicant (forgive the site, the advice on that page is distro-agnostic) |
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| 13:11 | <crd> | Crafting a wpa_supplicant.conf from scratch can be tricky, refer to /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant/examples/ if you need help. |
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| 13:12 | * | babilen also recommends reading /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant/README.modes.gz |
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| 13:17 | <AlexLikeRock> | hi guys , if i have my PC on, and conect my HDD SATA... |
| 13:18 | <AlexLikeRock> | ¿can i do mout ? |
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| 13:19 | <AlexLikeRock> | ... with out restart |
| 13:20 | <metalqg> | AlexLikeRock, I prever switching off the PC, before plugging in any HDD (using any bus other than USB). |
| 13:21 | <Hydroxide> | AlexLikeRock: you might be able to rescan the SATA bus. it depends on your hardware. recent-enough linux should support doing so |
| 13:21 | <Hydroxide> | not sure if it's automatic or has to be triggered manually |
| 13:21 | <retrospectacus> | AlexLikeRock: yes you can, if your drive/cable/mobo supports sata-swapping, which most do |
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| 13:22 | <retrospectacus> | you'll just see normal "found drive" messages in dmesg and then you can mount it |
| 13:22 | <AlexLikeRock> | :-O |
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| 13:22 | <metalqg> | otherwise if you have already plugged it in, you may do - fdisk -l and then - mkdir /media/hdd - mount /dev/sd** /media/hdd |
| 13:23 | <retrospectacus> | I've plugged/unplugged sata right on the motherboard with it running lots, never had a problem |
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| 13:24 | <blubberdiblub> | most motherboards have to be in AHCI mode tho for the hard drives to be hot swapped safely |
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| 13:27 | <AlexLikeRock> | tanks , i goin to see |
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| 13:54 | <naotho> | s |
| 13:54 | <crd> | is that right? |
| 13:54 | <naotho> | Hello :) |
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| 15:40 | <aso824> | Hi, after intalling debian 6.0.5 from CD (and connected internet) on my laptop (acer 2420, intel graphic), on boot system prompt me to password to login but in console. startx show fatal: module fbcon not found. Solutions? |
| 15:40 | <aso824> | + gdm/gdm3 not installed O.o i have checked on graphic installer that i want install graphic env., default gnome |
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| 15:45 | <sret_> | so |
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| 15:47 | <sret_> | from prompt |
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| 15:48 | <sret_> | if i do a ls -a i dont see the directories |
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| 15:48 | <sret_> | jesus fuck |
| 15:48 | <sret_> | never mind |
| 15:48 | * | sret_ smacks forehead |
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| 15:56 | <cinch> | i want dpms off, so the screen doesnt blank when watching videos, it works if i set "xset -dpms" but it gets enabled when the laptop resumes from sleep, where can i change this |
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| 16:00 | <cinch> | i uncommented the xset dpms line in /etc/acpi/lid.sh, but it still seems to get set somewhere |
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| 16:12 | <h> | f |
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| 16:22 | <dave9761> | hi |
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| 16:48 | <Sharky> | wow |
| 16:48 | <Sharky> | alot ppl here |
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| 17:03 | <tata> | hola |
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| 17:04 | <tata> | hola no un carajo |
| 17:04 | <gmarseliss> | !espaniol |
| 17:04 | <dpkg> | i heard espaniol is wetback speak |
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| 17:04 | <gmarseliss> | !spanish |
| 17:04 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 17:05 | <tata> | yes |
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| 17:06 | <gmarseliss> | ah, we got a katzo instead. |
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| 17:07 | <tata> | que puede ser que no la dvd rom pero no me lee sistena operativo windows 7 solo windows xp .puede que danio en disco . |
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| 17:08 | <tata> | el disco tiene 3.7 años |
| 17:09 | <tata> | tampoco graba |
| 17:09 | <gmarseliss> | !italian |
| 17:09 | <dpkg> | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:09 | <gmarseliss> | !malaka |
| 17:10 | <tata> | hay cambiar lo |
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| 17:10 | <gmarseliss> | !turkish |
| 17:10 | <dpkg> | turkish is probably #turklug, or trke yardm iin #debian.tr |
| 17:10 | <tata> | con dir |
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| 17:10 | <tata> | nada |
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| 17:12 | <Hydroxide> | !es |
| 17:12 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 17:12 | <tata> | 1 contador de sectores reubicados 2 contador de sectores pendientes |
| 17:13 | <Hydroxide> | gmarseliss: tata is definitely speaking spanish... |
| 17:13 | <Hydroxide> | ah, I see you tried that first |
| 17:13 | <tata> | yes |
| 17:13 | <gmarseliss> | hey Hydroxide! |
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| 17:14 | <proejct2501a> | did not know you were a debian fan |
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| 17:15 | <Hydroxide> | proejct2501a: yeah, I've been involved with debian for over a decade |
| 17:15 | <Hydroxide> | proejct2501a: also, you typoed your freenode nick :) |
| 17:15 | <proejct2501a> | yeah, i knows. i use the same nick here |
| 17:15 | <Hydroxide> | misspelled? as you like :) |
| 17:16 | <proejct2501a> | ... right. it's getting late |
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| 17:22 | <EmleyMoor> | If I set up an at job, does it start in the directory where I set it up? |
| 17:25 | <project2501a> | nope |
| 17:26 | <EmleyMoor> | project2501a: Indeed, I didn't think so... |
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| 17:26 | <project2501a> | EmleyMoor: there's some additional info on the man page |
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| 17:27 | <project2501a> | depending on the at daemon, it might start at / |
| 17:27 | <project2501a> | some older implementations started at /var/cron |
| 17:27 | <project2501a> | usually, you want to use absolute paths whenever possible. |
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| 17:28 | <EmleyMoor> | project2501a: Or write a script that includes cd if needed... |
| 17:28 | <project2501a> | erh, yeah, but i don't think of that as elegant. |
| 17:29 | <project2501a> | cuz then you have to keep track of your location of a tree. different problems arize |
| 17:29 | <ansgar> | EmleyMoor: It does change to the directory you invoked at in when running the job. |
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| 17:30 | <JuanLunaN> | i can't access web with https using links2 :( |
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| 17:31 | <Hydroxide> | EmleyMoor: yeah, as ansgar said, at jobs on recent debian do save basically the entire environment and current directory |
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| 17:31 | <Hydroxide> | I don't know if that's true in all incarnations, but it's true in that one |
| 17:31 | <EmleyMoor> | ansgar: So, it does, in squeeze? Even easier |
| 17:31 | <Hydroxide> | yes, including squeeze |
| 17:32 | <project2501a> | man, sometimes... i got a brain |
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| 17:35 | <EmleyMoor> | Hmmm... a very long time since I used at |
| 17:36 | <JuanLunaN> | :( |
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| 17:38 | <EmleyMoor> | I can't work out how to tell it when and what to do... it object |
| 17:38 | <EmleyMoor> | s |
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| 17:39 | <cinch> | how can i log/view the boot messages that appear before the login? |
| 17:40 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 530] by debhelper |
| 17:40 | <cinch> | all the [ok], [info] etc messages |
| 17:40 | <EmleyMoor> | cinch: dmesg |
| 17:40 | <cinch> | that doesnt show it |
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| 17:41 | <cinch> | like i just installed shorewall, rebootet, there was a message about it, but i cant see it when the login prompt appears |
| 17:42 | <retrospectacus> | !tell cinch about bootlog |
| 17:43 | * | EmleyMoor has got at to take the command - very useful for big downloads as they can be started on night rate |
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| 17:45 | <spdupee> | I have a raid drive on my system. it worked on my previous vwersion of linux, but in this one it is not recognising what filesystem is on the drive |
| 17:46 | <spdupee> | any ideas how to make it se what filesystem it is? |
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| 17:47 | <cinch> | retrospectacus, thank you :) |
| 17:47 | <cinch> | works like a charm |
| 17:47 | * | cinch hopes bootlogd is enabled in wheezy be default |
| 17:48 | <Hydroxide> | cinch: unlikely to happen at this point - wheezy is already frozen and mostly focusing on either changes that really have to happen or else bugfixes |
| 17:48 | <Hydroxide> | cinch: as opposed to would-be-nice changes |
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| 17:48 | <cinch> | maybe next time |
| 17:48 | <Hydroxide> | cinch: but, certainly any wheezy user can enable it, even before install if they customize that a bit, and yes, it could happen for the next release if people make it so |
| 17:49 | <cinch> | :) |
| 17:50 | <cinch> | where would something like that be discussed? |
| 17:50 | <cinch> | is there a stable-next mailing list? |
| 17:51 | <EmleyMoor> | spdupee: Was it Linux software RAID? |
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| 17:53 | <cinch> | im looking for the ultimate cloud based notes taking app |
| 17:54 | <cinch> | like: dump your thoughts there, access it anywhere |
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| 17:55 | <cinch> | wunderlist isnt bad, but looking for something self hosted and fast |
| 17:55 | <cinch> | command line based =D |
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| 17:59 | <devil_> | cinch: owncloud? |
| 17:59 | <cinch> | ya not bad |
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| 18:08 | <spdupee> | EmleyMoor: I beleive it was. |
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| 18:14 | <cinch> | puppet, shorewall/iptables, kvm, libvirt-sandbox, and note taking cloud project = information overload :o |
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| 18:14 | <cinch> | oh rights, its friday evening |
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| 18:15 | <cinch> | SYN, SYN-ACK, ACK |
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| 18:49 | <perlwizard> | is there a better way to restart network than manually ifdown/ifup interfaces |
| 18:49 | <perlwizard> | like after /e/n/i file change, so that changes take place |
| 18:50 | <retrospectacus> | you can restart the networking service |
| 18:50 | <retrospectacus> | ''/etc/init.d/networking restart'' or ''service networking restart'' |
| 18:50 | <perlwizard> | I've tried that but nothing happened |
| 18:51 | <perlwizard> | like I've changed my interface to use manual IP instead of dhcp and after `service networking restart` it still had dhcp one |
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| 18:51 | <themill> | "restart" means nothing in the networking sense which is why the init script tells you not to use that |
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| 18:52 | <retrospectacus> | means nothing? |
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| 18:53 | <themill> | Sure. It's not like networking is a daemon that you are restarting. You can reconfigure your network. |
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| 18:55 | <retrospectacus> | I see |
| 18:55 | <themill> | and should the networking init script also clear out your current iptables rules? People come in here thinking that it should all the time |
| 18:55 | <sifu__> | try to stop your dhcp server from starting at boot time |
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| 18:55 | <sifu__> | reconfigure your firewall, firestarter |
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| 18:58 | <sifu__> | anyone here had a chance to use sid on dell latitude D600 laptop? |
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| 18:59 | <sifu__> | :) |
| 18:59 | <streuner> | sifu__: /msg dpkg laptops |
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| 19:02 | <vook> | I'm looking for a way to speed up rsync over NFS - it's incredibly slow. Throughput seems fine on large files, but on small files, it'll move along at about 1 file per second (i.e. 15kb/second). If I use rsync over ssh, it's probably hundreds of times faster, but this is to be a recurring complete filesystem backup rsync script. I followed the tips here: http://goo.gl/TFQ8J - but they resulted in no signifcant different. |
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| 19:10 | <cinch> | networking changes, generally id reboot if its not a critical server |
| 19:10 | <cinch> | wishes of script writers be damned |
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| 19:11 | <nevyn> | vook: so why can't you use ssh? |
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| 19:14 | <cinch> | seems to me nfs takes awhile per file |
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| 19:19 | <vook> | nevyn: It needs to run as a user with root access to the filesystem - It's basically a command like this 'rsync -av / /mnt/nfsmount --exclude-file excludefile --delete' |
| 19:20 | <vook> | cinch: it's not a network issue, as indicated by the transfer speed of large files and of rsync via ssh (besides, reboot isn't an option - this isn't a microsoft OS) |
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| 19:28 | <vook> | weird, it's no faster if I use sshfs instead of nfs. |
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| 19:34 | <nevyn> | vook: I'm not surprised. |
| 19:34 | <nevyn> | the problem is. |
| 19:34 | <nevyn> | you're transfering the filesystem over the wire. |
| 19:34 | <nevyn> | rsync isn't getting to do rsync because to do the compare phase it needs to read a block over the network |
| 19:35 | <nevyn> | becuase you're running rsync on one side and not the other. |
| 19:35 | <nevyn> | vook: ^^ |
| 19:36 | <nevyn> | you really want to be doing this over ssh.. honest. |
| 19:37 | <vook> | so when I do rsync over ssh, it's still comparing. 'rsync -av / server://' blows the NFS speed away. |
| 19:37 | <vook> | ya |
| 19:37 | <nevyn> | so when you do rsync over ssh. each host is running rsync locally |
| 19:37 | <nevyn> | the block compare stuff happens on a local filesystem on each side and only the hash is passed on the wire |
| 19:38 | <vook> | ah, ok |
| 19:38 | <nevyn> | this is the whole point of rsync. ;) |
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| 20:25 | <salamander> | Hello. Im trying to modprobe -r pciehp module but it says "WARNING: is a builtin module". How can I unload that kind of module??? |
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| 20:26 | <salamander> | debian wheezy in a eeepc 1005ha here |
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| 20:35 | <sifu__> | hi |
| 20:36 | <sifu__> | i'm using debian wheezy on dell d600 i can't use tapping on touchpad, any clues plz |
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| 20:53 | <jump0r> | irc://irc.gogi.tv/psyreactor |
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| 22:19 | <jyc> | hm, suddenly loading websites on my debian 6 desktop has become very slow |
| 22:19 | <jyc> | however, pinging the same websites and wgetting them is just as fast as ever |
| 22:19 | <jyc> | the same problem happens in chrome and iceweasel - how can I fix this? |
| 22:20 | <tale> | jyc: Perhaps command top ? |
| 22:20 | <jyc> | tale, what do you mean? |
| 22:20 | <tale> | jyc: write top in a terminal window. |
| 22:20 | <jyc> | tale, I know the command, but I don't see how that will help |
| 22:21 | <tale> | jyc: OK. |
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| 22:32 | <mattcen> | Hi all. Can anybody please tell me what can be done to resolve these debmirror errors I'm getting? http://paste.debian.net/188545/ |
| 22:34 | <tale> | mattcen: Did you try running the command again, to see if that fixes it? |
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| 22:37 | <mattcen> | Yes. |
| 22:37 | <mattcen> | Lots of times. |
| 22:37 | <mattcen> | I tried deleting some of the cache files manually too, but that didn't work either |
| 22:37 | <tale> | mattcen: How long does the debmirror run in your setup? |
| 22:38 | <mattcen> | As in how long does the command take to complete? |
| 22:38 | <tale> | mattcen: Yes. |
| 22:38 | <mattcen> | The run I pastebinned took about a minute. |
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| 22:38 | <mattcen> | I've tried several different mirrors too; I usually use a more local mirror, but figured I'd resort to something further upstream in case there was a replication problem. |
| 22:40 | <tale> | mattcen: Does the mirror you created work? |
| 22:41 | <tale> | mattcen: Those errors are from old diff files, my quess is they are not needed. |
| 22:41 | <tale> | But still strange that there are files that fail sha1sum check. |
| 22:41 | <mattcen> | It is complaining now about an expired releases file I think, but before I started encountering the this error (with no known change to my end) a couple of weeks ago, the system was working fine |
| 22:42 | <mattcen> | Ah actually, that expired releases file may have been a one-off PEBKAC on my part |
| 22:44 | <tale> | mattcen: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=517179 |
| 22:45 | <tale> | mattcen: I prefer using approx, it uses less disk space but has the packages my computers actually use. |
| 22:46 | <mattcen> | I'm not sure that sort of thing would work for me, because I build live images from my local repo, and need things like the debian-installer repo and similar |
| 22:46 | <mattcen> | Thanks for the bug report though, I'll try the suggested solution there |
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| 22:58 | <tale> | mattcen: debmirror man pages says for --dist: Using the links (stable, testing, unstable) does not have the expected results |
| 22:58 | <mattcen> | tale: --diff=none fixes my issue. Thanks. |
| 22:58 | * | mattcen check the manpage |
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| 22:59 | * | kop uses apt-cacher, although has heard that apt-cacher-ng might be better |
| 22:59 | * | mattcen alters his command to s/stable/squeeze/g |
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| 23:36 | <ytriosalmito> | Hey |
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