| --- | Log | opened Fri Sep 14 00:00:25 2012 |
| --- | Day | changed Fri Sep 14 2012 |
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| 00:31 | <jeep> | does anybody have a verizon aircard cd_ether assighns wwan0 but i cant actually make a connection |
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| 01:09 | <ishan> | hi |
| 01:09 | <ishan> | all |
| 01:09 | <ishan> | is anyone here? |
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| 01:15 | <ishan> | hi |
| 01:15 | <ishan> | anyone available |
| 01:16 | <ishan> | ? |
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| 01:19 | <ishan> | ? |
| 01:19 | <ishan> | is anyone there |
| 01:19 | <ishan> | ? |
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| 01:21 | <Guest7021> | hello nobb here |
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| 02:28 | <Master_Scythe> | is anyone available to help a complete linux learner with some mysql server issues? Im configuring tinyboard, mysql and running Raspian (wheezy) on a RaspberryPi |
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| 02:31 | <jm_> | !ask |
| 02:31 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:31 | <jm_> | but note that this is about debian only |
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| 02:35 | <Master_Scythe> | thank you. I know its a debian room, but in all honesty? this is my first serious try at CLI administering a linux distro, so everything is new. I didnt know where to go but here for a bit of 'all purpose help'. |
| 02:35 | <Master_Scythe> | but ill explain it, but on thought I suppose none of it is SPECIFICALLY debian related, so feel free to tell me to go elsewhere. |
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| 02:39 | <Master_Scythe> | So, I've installed Raspian (based on Wheezy), and its going incredibly well for my first romp. I have an apache webserver installed, and managed to upload some files to it using an install of ProFTPd. I also have PHP and MySQL installed. I think where i'm hitting a wall is with permissions. I have installed TinyBoard, and managed to create a MySQL database for it, however I notice that tinyboard stores my username and password, in |
| 02:39 | <Master_Scythe> | said PHP file. This worried me because ive used my ROOT mySQL password to configure said database. |
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| 02:40 | <jm_> | start by explaining which distro you are using |
| 02:40 | <jm_> | ahh ok you did |
| 02:41 | <Master_Scythe> | however, considering php is 'executed' server side, and when I try to 'save target as' in my web browser, I get a HTML file, which is blank, is this safe? |
| 02:41 | <Master_Scythe> | I know its broad, and not debian specific, but I had to start somewhere, so I thought why not here, considering every Linux OS i've tried has been Debian based. |
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| 02:43 | <z_marco> | Master_Scythe: This is indeed a channel support for Debian only. |
| 02:43 | <jm_> | 'save target as' on what? |
| 02:43 | <Master_Scythe> | yeah |
| 02:43 | <Master_Scythe> | where can i go for some more broad discussion z_marco |
| 02:44 | <Master_Scythe> | jm_ in a web browser, as the php file is stored within the www folder of my server. |
| 02:44 | <nevyn> | !raspbian |
| 02:44 | <dpkg> | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the Raspberry Pi. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ . The regular Debian squeeze, wheezy etc <armel> ports work fine on the Raspberry Pi but don't use the Pi's hardware floating point support. (Debian's <armhf> port (wheezy onwards) targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it.) |
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| 02:45 | <jm_> | Master_Scythe: yes, but what exactly are you trying to save? |
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| 02:47 | <Master_Scythe> | dpkg. thats fair enough, thanks. |
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| 02:54 | <blackferdyPT> | hi everyone |
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| 02:55 | <blackferdyPT> | I read that Debian has switched it's default desktop from GNOME to XFCE... but can anyone tell me if XFCE is already the default desktop in the weekly built "testing" images? |
| 02:56 | <blackferdyPT> | the download page shows a separate XFCE CD... does that mean that the regular CD still has GNOME in it? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 03:03 | <amitz> | will ramtmp=yes override pm-utils setting? |
| 03:04 | <blackferdyPT> | nevermind, I'll test arch instead |
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| 03:29 | <EmleyMoor> | Do new Debian installations on amd64 default to GPT partitioning, or if not, can they be made to use it? |
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| 03:36 | <devil> | EmleyMoor: sure you can use it |
| 03:37 | <EmleyMoor> | devil: Good - I'm therefore planning to make it standard on all new installations |
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| 03:44 | <EmleyMoor> | Seems it's not easy at least with squeeze... |
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| 03:46 | <EmleyMoor> | I am however installing wheezy on my next system |
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| 03:54 | <devil> | EmleyMoor: the kernel in squeeze might be limiting, but i have no numbers off the top of my head |
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| 03:55 | <EmleyMoor> | devil: It's not the kernel, it's the partitioner |
| 03:55 | <devil> | EmleyMoor: yea, that may be. i never used stable, so I do not know |
| 03:56 | <devil> | EmleyMoor: did you also look at cfdisk? |
| 03:57 | <devil> | I wrote a howto for SSDs 18 months ago and cfdisk on sid was ready for GTP |
| 03:57 | <devil> | GPT even |
| 03:57 | <EmleyMoor> | Hmmm... interesting... |
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| 03:59 | <jm_> | there's always gdisk |
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| 04:00 | <EmleyMoor> | jm_: Yes - I'm aware of that... not that it exactly answers the question re new installs |
| 04:00 | <EmleyMoor> | It seems wheezy should be fine with it, done the right way |
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| 04:01 | <jm_> | there's nothing about GPT in installation manual though, rather strang |
| 04:01 | <jm_> | +e |
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| 04:02 | <EmleyMoor> | I gather it can be selected in Expert mode |
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| 04:06 | <frauundcomputer> | guten morgen |
| 04:07 | <frauundcomputer> | ich komme nur kurz vorbei und will mich bedanken bei dem kompeteten und freundlichen und hilfsberiten team DANKE |
| 04:07 | <frauundcomputer> | alles rollt am rechner |
| 04:07 | <jm_> | !de |
| 04:07 | <dpkg> | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 04:10 | <trman_123> | is chromium open source, or open source controlled by google? |
| 04:10 | <frauundcomputer> | bis bald |
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| 04:20 | <fcofdezc> | hi |
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| 05:08 | <ryanakca> | With multiarch, I get that virtual package foo is provided by real-foo and real-foo:i386 and that I must choose one to install. How can I have real-foo be installed through foo without having it marked as directly installed (i.e. so that when I remove foo, apt-get autoremove will see that real-foo should be removed) |
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| 05:10 | <jm_> | dumb way of doing that would be to manually mark it as auto-installed, man apt-mark, other than that, I have no idea as I haven't upgraded my install to multi-arch aware yet |
| 05:11 | <jm_> | "to be" even |
| 05:11 | <themill> | aptitude install "package&M" would be one way. I assume you can change that to package:arch&M |
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| 05:16 | <ryanakca> | themill: Oddly enough that would tell me "No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed." for aptitude install "lua5.2&M". |
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| 05:16 | <ryanakca> | apt-mark auto lua5.2 worked, thanks :) |
| 05:16 | <ryanakca> | s/would tell me/told me/ |
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| 06:20 | <webchat124> | hello |
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| 06:21 | <webchat124> | my debian box powered off for unknown reasons |
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| 06:21 | <webchat124> | what logs can I inspect to find any clues ? |
| 06:22 | <Master_Scythe> | full power off? First thing I'd check is temperatures at idle, in the BIOS |
| 06:22 | <webchat124> | yes, full power off |
| 06:22 | <abrotman> | stttart with syslog and messages |
| 06:23 | <webchat124> | in /var/log/ right ? |
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| 06:23 | <Master_Scythe> | im new to Linux, but 9-11 years PC repair of mac and windows; a full power off is usually a hardware issue. Windows will halt on a blue screen, Mac will halt with an icon, and Linux, from what ive seen will Kernel Panic. |
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| 06:24 | <Master_Scythe> | Linux experts, How likely is it for a software issue to hard power off a system? |
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| 06:26 | <abrotman> | yes, but the logs may say that |
| 06:26 | <webchat124> | ok |
| 06:26 | <webchat124> | I will thceck those places |
| 06:26 | <abrotman> | a full power off stinks of a hardware issue .. |
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| 06:26 | <Master_Scythe> | ah, ok. Of course, if its not the BIOS hardware failsafe, it'll still write a log on halt. |
| 06:26 | <abrotman> | webchat124: local or remote box? |
| 06:27 | <Master_Scythe> | im stupid, continue |
| 06:27 | <webchat124> | abro remote box |
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| 06:27 | <webchat124> | I wass ssh in, when lost connection; person on site said it is powered off |
| 06:27 | <abrotman> | webchat124: how sure are you it was powered off? do you have an ilo of sorts? |
| 06:27 | <abrotman> | ah ojay |
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| 06:28 | <abrotman> | check logs, perhaps induce some load .. check your fans, etc |
| 06:28 | <Master_Scythe> | if logs are blank, run a prime calulation and watch temperatures |
| 06:28 | <Master_Scythe> | see if it fails again |
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| 06:29 | <webchat124> | good idea |
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| 06:30 | <Master_Scythe> | even if its in a data centre, if its a 'dodgy' server build, using something like Intel Push Pin style coolers, things can fail or pop completely at random. |
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| 06:30 | <Master_Scythe> | I cant count the number of failed 'servers' ive repaired due to intel pushpins |
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| 06:59 | <ray> | hi |
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| 06:59 | <ray> | hi se7en |
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| 07:05 | <skiy> | I'd like to sell computers to home users. I thought I would install Debian stable, but with a new kernel. |
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| 07:05 | <skiy> | Pre-install it I mean. |
| 07:06 | <tale> | skiy: Why new kernel? |
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| 07:06 | <skiy> | tale, Maybe that will mean better motherboard support. |
| 07:07 | <tale> | skiy: Have you seen problems with the kernel that is in Debian Stable? |
| 07:07 | <skiy> | tale, A long time ago, yes. |
| 07:08 | <skiy> | For instance, the installer would not recognise my hard disks. |
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| 07:09 | <tale> | skiy: You can install any kernel you want, and if you have a valid reason do replace the stable kernel. |
| 07:09 | <jm_> | skiy: you can find newer versions in backports |
| 07:09 | <skiy> | jm_, Which is better: backports or "testing"? |
| 07:09 | <planetmaker> | stable failed to support my network, graphics and sound |
| 07:09 | <jm_> | skiy: you can't use packages from testing on stable for the most part |
| 07:10 | <planetmaker> | (without backports or non-free) |
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| 07:11 | <skiy> | Not all hardware support is done in the kernel. For example, printer drivers are contained in CUPS itself. I thought I might backport that. |
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| 07:11 | <planetmaker> | that might already be backported in the backports repo |
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| 07:14 | <skiy> | Darn it, I'm going to have to use "Testing." :( |
| 07:14 | <skiy> | CUPS ain't backported. |
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| 07:15 | <skiy> | 1.5.3 in Testing, but 1.4.4 in Stable. |
| 07:15 | <skiy> | That makes all the difference. |
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| 07:16 | <jm_> | you can try to backport just that yourself |
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| 07:17 | <skiy> | There's a lot of luck involved though. |
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| 07:18 | <jm_> | yeah it's not always trivial |
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| 07:18 | <skiy> | But I can't run make scripts -- they never work for me := |
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| 07:20 | <bluenemo> | strange question :) i created a qcow2 via kvm-img create -f qcow2 -o preallocate=metadata underlord.qcow2 200G. after that the size was 200G. now i'm using it with kvm -hda underlord.qcow2, and as i start installing to it the file shows 256K by ls -lha, however one can watch it growing with df -ha (while partitioning). whats happening? :) |
| 07:21 | <skiy> | bluenemo: I've seen that before, within the XFS filesystem. |
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| 07:22 | <bluenemo> | skiy, i'm using ext4 on / (where the images are) |
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| 07:23 | <skiy> | bluenemo: ext4 is pretty new, so maybe it has transparent sparse capabilities. |
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| 07:24 | <bluenemo> | skiy, i wouldnt consider it 'new'. if its available in stable, its stable ;) |
| 07:25 | <bluenemo> | or stable enaugh for production ;) |
| 07:25 | <bluenemo> | enough... |
| 07:25 | <bluenemo> | but yeah, maybe. never seen it before though.. |
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| 07:33 | <vimes> | how do I lock my session on debian? |
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| 07:43 | <bluenemo> | turns out somewhere after rebooting the vm its back to 200G ;) however i/o speed is not exactly pleasing. when i dd if=/dev/zero of=foo.img on the dedicated server i get around 400MB/s, on the vm i only get under 10. :/ |
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| 07:53 | <bluenemo> | can it be that i/o for storage is THAT bad when using qcow2 or raw? is it that much of a difference when i use lvm partitions or sth? |
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| 07:56 | <bluenemo> | is it better to raid 1 and then lvm on top of that, then attach it to a vm, or the opposite? whats your setup for good storage io with kvm? |
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| 09:21 | <pedro> | hey all... simple question: why isn't pac manager on the repos? |
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| 09:39 | <grusemil> | hey |
| 09:40 | <grusemil> | I'm seeking for some help anyone that can spare some time ? |
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| 09:40 | <babilen> | grusemil: Just ask your question |
| 09:41 | <babilen> | pedro: Most likely because nobody packaged it -- I don't even see a RFP or an ITP for it ("/msg dpkg itp" and "/msg dpkg rfp") |
| 09:41 | <grusemil> | There's a way to install wifi drivers without net connection ? |
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| 09:43 | <pedro> | babilen: weird, that software appears to be quite popular |
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| 09:44 | <pedro> | a bit strange nobody packaged it... maybe it doesn't comply with some security policies? |
| 09:44 | <babilen> | grusemil: Drivers are part of the kernel -- What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 09:45 | <grusemil> | babilen: I know that, just installed the distro, now I need net connection to do the rest |
| 09:45 | <babilen> | pedro: I haven't had a look at it in detail, so I can't answer that. If you would like to package it read "/msg dpkg nmg" or file a RFP if you would like to propose that somebody else packages it. |
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| 09:46 | <babilen> | grusemil: And you can only connect via wifi? Which wireless adaptor do you have? (lspci -nn|grep -i network) Which Debian release did you install? How did you install it and why can't you connect to the wireless right now? |
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| 09:47 | <Pascal_1> | hello |
| 09:48 | <Pascal_1> | i'm new with debian unstable, everything seems to work fine excepted : i noticed that boot and logon are very slow |
| 09:48 | <babilen> | Pascal_1: You want #debian-next but I would also recommend to elaborate a bit on that question. In what way is it slow? |
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| 09:48 | <Pascal_1> | what could be the way to know what is responsible of this slow |
| 09:49 | <grusemil> | babilen: right now it's the only way I have to connect. Atheros Ar9285 coulnd' find anything. Debian squeeze cd1 only. |
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| 09:49 | <Pascal_1> | babilen: i have to wait more than 30 secondes before gdm screen and again more than 30 secondes to open the session |
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| 09:50 | <Pascal_1> | is it good ? |
| 09:51 | <babilen> | grusemil: Ok, that wireless adaptor should work out-the-box, but you might have problems (see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=577555) -- Could you try running "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" as root? Do you see results? |
| 09:51 | <Pascal_1> | what could be the way to reduce this waiting time ? |
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| 09:54 | <babilen> | grusemil: Is the network you are connecting to encrypted and if so: how? Would a reinstall be problematic? I ask because using Squeeze's CD1 is a bad choice if you want to connect to various (possibly encrypted) wireless networks directly after the installation. This is because CD1 doesn't contain all packages that are needed for doing this from within Gnome (network-manager-gnome is on CD5 IIRC) |
| 09:55 | <grusemil> | babilen: well worked properly on ubuntu kernel. I'll try it and see what happens. Suppose I can connect it via Ethernet what's next ? |
| 09:55 | <babilen> | grusemil: Does the scanning work? Do you see wireless networks? |
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| 09:56 | <grusemil> | babilen: I've to log out of this OS |
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| 09:57 | <grusemil> | babilen: So, what you recommend me to do first ? |
| 09:57 | <babilen> | grusemil: You said earlier that you can't connect via ethernet -- And what's next depends on what you are trying to do. That device should work out of the box, but it would be advisable to install a newer kernel from backports. That procedure is detailed in "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" -- How do you want to configure your interfaces? Do you want to use network-manager or do you plan to use wpa-supplicant directly? |
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| 10:00 | <babilen> | grusemil: Well, I know *nothing* about your background and your wishes. Assuming you want to connect to a WPA/WPA2 (personal) connected wireless network and further assuming that you like to connect to various wireless networks and would like to manage those via network-manager: I would download the kmuto installer (/msg dpkg kmuto) and reinstall. This gives you various things: First of all you should be able to connect to your wireless network ... |
| 10:00 | <grusemil> | babilen: right now I can't connect via cable, maybe later. Nevetherless, It needs some drivers to work too. They're avaiable on cd5 too ? |
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| 10:00 | <babilen> | ... during the installation. |
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| 10:01 | <grusemil> | That's right, I want to connect to my personal wpa2 network |
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| 10:02 | <grusemil> | I'm not an expert in this as you might already noticed. Some friend told me to just install the cd1 and then download the wifi drivers through cable connection |
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| 10:04 | <msi> | hi there. i'm experiencing javascript problems with icewesel 3.5.16 on debian squeeze. |
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| 10:05 | <msi> | i'm trying to access a webmailer that unfortunately rlies heavily on javascript |
| 10:05 | <babilen> | grusemil: Hmm, i am not sure what to recommend. The device itself should work already and you should be able to scan for networks with "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan". You should furthermore be able to connect to your wireless network by manually configuring wpa-supplicant as detailed on http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant |
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| 10:06 | <babilen> | grusemil: Do you plan to connect to other wireless networks in the future or only this one? |
| 10:06 | <msi> | an things just don't wokr out. means: i can't read the mails. i tried a recent original firefox and it worked. |
| 10:06 | <babilen> | msi: You can easily install newer Iceweasel versions from http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 10:07 | <msi> | ok. |
| 10:07 | <grusemil> | babilen: I use this mostly, since my lap work as a desk |
| 10:07 | <diroots> | msi : you can have iceweazel and firefox installed on the same system, so you can use the latest firefox |
| 10:07 | <msi> | well, but that that leads to strange overlappings, i guess. |
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| 10:08 | <msi> | when i installed firefox a minute ago, it used my iceweasl profile folders and changed the layout of my iceweasel browser |
| 10:08 | <babilen> | msi: Newer iceweasel versions (10.0) are also available from backports and you might want to use those instead. See "/msg dpkg backports" for an explanation what backports are and http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ for instructions on how to configure it. |
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| 10:09 | <msi> | ah, there are backport for squeeze already? |
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| 10:09 | <msi> | i missed that |
| 10:09 | <babilen> | grusemil: I really don't know what to suggest, but I'll just list your options so you can decide yourself. |
| 10:10 | <msi> | but why on erath does ff change the gui of icewesel? |
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| 10:10 | <msi> | that's pretty absurd, isn't it? |
| 10:10 | <babilen> | !tell msi -about why iceweasel |
| 10:11 | <msi> | i know. |
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| 10:13 | <babilen> | grusemil: 1. Keep the current installation. 1.a) Configure your wireless connection in /etc/network/interfaces as detailed in http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant 1.b) Install a backported kernel as detailed in "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" 1.c) Reboot 1.d) Install the rest of the gnome desktop (apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment) and in particular NM with "apt-get install network-manager-gnome" 1.c) Disable your wireless ... |
| 10:13 | <babilen> | ... connection in /etc/network/interfaces (just remove it) |
| 10:13 | <msi> | i'm not about logos and stuff. it may seem like i'm feeble-minded, but the gui of my browerser has been "substituted". |
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| 10:14 | <babilen> | grusemil: You then also need to configure network-manager as detailed in http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager -- I consider this to be the most difficult procedure, but it ensures that you don't have to install again and also ensures that you have to download a minimal set of packages. |
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| 10:15 | <msi> | could that be due to the fact that firefox - using my iceweasel dir structure - left some files there? |
| 10:15 | <msi> | just a guess |
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| 10:15 | <babilen> | grusemil: 2. Download DVD1 2.a) Reinstall 2.b) Upgrade to a backported kernel as detailed in "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" |
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| 10:16 | <msi> | ok, i hit some "set back to normal" button somewhere and things are ok again. |
| 10:17 | <babilen> | grusemil: 3. Download a netinstall image with a backported kernel and in particular one that can connect to WPA encrypted wireless networks. See "/msg dpkg kmuto" for a link. 3.a) Reinstall (and connect to your network during the installation) 3.b) Install the Desktop task (which will get you network-manager) |
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| 10:18 | <babilen> | grusemil: I really don't know what to suggest. Downloading the standard CD1 was probably the worst thing to do, but you have those three options. |
| 10:18 | <babilen> | grusemil: Did your head explode already? |
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| 10:19 | <grusemil> | babilen: not at all |
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| 10:22 | <babilen> | grusemil: I would personally do 1., but I have no problem with configuring the wireless networking in that way. 2. Certainly wastes a lot of bandwith as you have to download an entire DVD image and requires you to reinstall (just like 3) |
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| 10:25 | <babilen> | grusemil: If I were you I would start by booting into Debian and running "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" -- If that returns results you can probably continue with 1. |
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| 10:27 | <grusemil> | aprecciated your help babilen |
| 10:27 | <grusemil> | I'll keep informed if I suceeded or not |
| 10:28 | <babilen> | grusemil: Let me know if you need further help -- The best course of action just depends on so many variables that I can't predict. (your bandwidth, knowledge, ...) |
| 10:28 | <babilen> | grusemil: It is *very* unfortunate that CD1 does *not* contain all packages that are needed for a complete Gnome desktop. |
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| 10:30 | <babilen> | grusemil: Ah, yet another option that I didn't mention so far is that you could try the recently released wheezy beta installer http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ , but that would mean that you run a development release of Debian which might be problematic. |
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| 10:30 | <babilen> | I think that concludes your options (assuming that you can't connect via ethernet at all) |
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| 10:31 | <ectospasm> | you can install squeeze from the wheezy beta d-i |
| 10:31 | <ectospasm> | ...just choose the expert install |
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| 10:39 | <cantorun> | i have a bluetooth problem. can anybody help me? |
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| 10:42 | <ectospasm> | !asxk |
| 10:42 | <ectospasm> | !ask |
| 10:43 | <ectospasm> | !ask |
| 10:43 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 10:43 | <ectospasm> | cantorun: ^ |
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| 10:43 | <movl> | we should respond to such questions with "no" |
| 10:44 | <ectospasm> | movl: but then that wouldn't be welcoming and helpful |
| 10:44 | <movl> | such questions aren't helpful either |
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| 10:46 | <ectospasm> | movl: but if you don't instruct on how to ask proper questions, they'll never learn, will they? |
| 10:47 | <movl> | yeah... |
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| 10:52 | <cantorun> | i have a bluetooth problem. its not working. here is my outputs : http://forum.debian.org.tr/index.php?topic=5592.new . thanks for help :) |
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| 10:53 | <cantorun> | note : i am using debian squuze xfce on packard bell dot s netbook |
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| 10:55 | <ComradeHaz`> | Afternoon all, done a aptget update today and have now lost ssh contact with my machine. I get http://haz.red-army.org.uk/sshIssue when I try to access it, and have received Sep 14 13:50:11 pluto sshd[30226]: fatal: OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 1000005f, you have 1000103f from logcheck. Please advise. |
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| 10:57 | <cantorun> | ectospasm: do you have any idea? |
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| 11:10 | <jthomas> | I have an Apache process that is starting as a User account (LDAP if that matters), on a machine designed to run Django . I didn't set thuis server up but I need to stop this process from not running as www-data. Anyone know why this might be running as a user or how to better troubleshoot? I'm at a loss and the user said he doesn't know |
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| 11:30 | <jthomas> | it was a WSGI thing, we've got it resolved |
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| 11:52 | <confrey> | hi everybody |
| 11:54 | <retrospectacus> | hey |
| 11:56 | <koralos> | hi |
| 11:58 | <lacrosse1991> | hello, i am currently trying to setup iptables to only allow certain mac addresses to connect to the server (acting as a router for a network) but am having difficulty getting anything to work with my current iptables configuration, would |
| 11:58 | <lacrosse1991> | could * you guys possibly offer some advice as to what I could do to accomplish this? (iptables config) http://pastebin.com/8taf6ZXp |
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| 12:12 | <ryerke> | lacrosse1991: I think you only need to add -mac --mac-source <Your Mac Address> to your INPUT line |
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| 12:14 | <ryerke> | lacrosse1991: Mac addresses can be spoofed easily, though, so I think it somewhat unwise to rely on that for security |
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| 12:17 | <lacrosse1991> | its mostly just to dissuade people from casually connecting to the ethernet network (live in a dorm room) worried about my roommate possibly connecting to my network when i am not |
| 12:17 | <lacrosse1991> | around lol |
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| 12:18 | <lacrosse1991> | would there be any other methods of securing a physical network? |
| 12:18 | <lacrosse1991> | have been searching around, but have not really found anything of use |
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| 12:18 | <smftre> | Happiest place on earth? http://sharer.co/share/78474860 |
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| 12:19 | <ryerke> | lacrosse1991: The only way would be to use cat5, I think |
| 12:20 | <ryerke> | If the roomies aren't hacker types, the mac filter should be enough |
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| 12:21 | <ryerke> | lacrosse1991: Are you using a utility to edit iptables? |
| 12:22 | <lacrosse1991> | yep was thinking the same (about the mac address), actually have just recently setup freeradius on the machine too for eap-ttls encryption for the wireless access point that is connected ( |
| 12:22 | <lacrosse1991> | overkill, but neat imo) |
| 12:22 | <babilen> | smftre: Take it elsewhere please -- This is neither on-topic nor appropriate here. |
| 12:22 | <lacrosse1991> | and i usually just do iptables-save, edit the file, then restore |
| 12:22 | <smftre> | babilen: but that guy used debian, I'm telling you! |
| 12:23 | <smftre> | That's what made him move there, and that's why he is so happy now |
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| 12:23 | <ryerke> | lacrosse1991: Yeah, I think you can ad the -mac thing to the line that has your IP and eht1 on it |
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| 12:25 | <lacrosse1991> | cool :) cant test it atm as im not in the room, but will give it a whirl and see what happens, thanks! |
| 12:25 | <ryerke> | lacrosse1991: If not, you may be able to replace it with -A INPUT -mac --mac-source <mac address> -j ACCEPT |
| 12:26 | <ryerke> | yw |
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| 12:33 | <jthomas> | Does Debian6 'backuppc' not do SMB excludes correctly, or well? I'm having a hell of a time excluding Windows files. Anyonehave suggestions? |
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| 12:36 | <confrey> | I'm using a fresh stable installation, with a custom xsession : only compiz + awn, and gnome applications; the problem is : as awn applets there are three ones for closing the session and going out, but no one work; how can I close the xsession? the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace don't work, and neither Alt+F2 work too |
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| 12:41 | <adri> | Good evening, can you offer me a good firewall for debian? |
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| 12:42 | <adri> | maby ufw or csf ? |
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| 12:43 | <babilen> | Aleric: You want to edit ~/.Xresources for urxvt-unicode(-256color) -- See http://paste.debian.net/189834/ for an example. |
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| 12:44 | <babilen> | adri: It essentially always boils down to iptables (/msg dpkg iptables) and there are various front-ends that can be used to manage it. You could, however, just use it directly and configure how you want it. |
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| 12:55 | <solstis> | hello, two of my usb ports are not functioning properly - they transmit electrical impulses (usb leds are on and external hdd's are spinning) but i don't think that something is reflected on a software level |
| 12:55 | <solstis> | when i plug sth |
| 12:55 | <solstis> | there's no change in /dev |
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| 12:57 | <solstis> | there's nothing in lsusb when i plug sth in the two ports |
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| 13:00 | <movl> | might a hw issue |
| 13:00 | <movl> | *might be |
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| 13:01 | <movl> | desktop or laptop? |
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| 13:01 | <solstis> | laptop |
| 13:01 | <movl> | ouch |
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| 13:01 | <movl> | go with a livecd, see if it works |
| 13:01 | <solstis> | i didn't have such issues with a previous debian install, or with win xp (a long time ago) |
| 13:01 | <solstis> | ok |
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| 13:02 | <grusemil> | babilen: : fkill_0.4-1_amd64.deb; firmware-iwlwifi_0.35~bpo60+1_all.deb - this should do it ? |
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| 13:03 | <babilen> | grusemil: You don't need those as you don't have an Intel wifi card (at least you said that you have an atheros one earlier IIRC) |
| 13:04 | <grusemil> | babilen: thought that might work for mine aswell |
| 13:04 | <babilen> | grusemil: Could you scan for wireless networks with the command I mentioned earlier? |
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| 13:05 | <babilen> | grusemil: You definitely don't need intel firmware if you don't have intel hardware. Are you using the computer in question right now? If so: Which operating system are you running? |
| 13:05 | <grusemil> | babilen: sure, I'm kinda working right now, so I can't reboot |
| 13:05 | <grusemil> | later ofc |
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| 13:06 | <babilen> | grusemil: "sure" as in "yes, I could scan for wireless networks" ? |
| 13:06 | <solstis> | movl, livecd works |
| 13:06 | <solstis> | apart from that |
| 13:06 | <grusemil> | babilen: afirmative |
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| 13:06 | <solstis> | after a reboot |
| 13:06 | <solstis> | the ports work |
| 13:06 | <solstis> | ..for a while |
| 13:06 | <solstis> | after a couple of minutes they stop being useful |
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| 13:07 | <grusemil> | babilen: win7 64 |
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| 13:08 | <movl> | solstis: what livecd? |
| 13:08 | <babilen> | grusemil: In that case you should be able to connect to your wireless network as detailed on http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant or in /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant/README.Debian.gz -- You neither have to install rfkill (at least not now) nor firmware for intel centrino wireless cards (because you don't have one) -- You Atheros card doesn't need firmware btw. |
| 13:08 | <solstis> | mint debian |
| 13:08 | <solstis> | iso mounted on a stick |
| 13:08 | <solstis> | not ;mounted' |
| 13:08 | <solstis> | 'put' rather |
| 13:09 | <movl> | solstis: if you try rebooting, will the ports also work for a while? |
| 13:09 | <grusemil> | babilen: my mistake, terrible sorry, those I posted were for cable conection, that didin't work last time I plug on |
| 13:09 | <solstis> | yes |
| 13:09 | <solstis> | they work for a while |
| 13:09 | <movl> | my best guess that it's a HW issue |
| 13:09 | <movl> | how old is the laptop? |
| 13:09 | <solstis> | 4-5 yrs |
| 13:09 | <solstis> | hp pavillion dv6 |
| 13:09 | <movl> | oh, so it's not under warranty |
| 13:09 | <solstis> | nope :) |
| 13:10 | <movl> | dv6 ? oh... |
| 13:10 | <movl> | I had nasty experiences with those |
| 13:10 | <movl> | in fact, I am typing from a dv9, same generation |
| 13:10 | <movl> | wouldn't touch HP hardware with a pole |
| 13:10 | <babilen> | grusemil: Ah, sure. Which ethernet card do you have? You *might* need the firmware-linux-nonfree package, but I am not convinced of that yet. Didn't you say that using ethernet is out of the question? Is ethernet not working? |
| 13:11 | <movl> | solstis: get a hub for the working port, it's the best I can do |
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| 13:12 | <grusemil> | babilen: I can acess through cable only at nights, during day no. So last night I tried cable didn't work. That's why was seeking help to wifi here |
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| 13:12 | <solstis> | thanks for the advice :) |
| 13:12 | <movl> | sorry I can't do more |
| 13:12 | <movl> | just to be sure, try another different livecd (e.g. fedora or suse) |
| 13:13 | <movl> | if the issues persist, I 'd say it's hardware |
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| 13:13 | <solstis> | ok, thank you |
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| 13:13 | <solstis> | :) |
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| 13:13 | <movl> | gtfo |
| 13:14 | <grusemil> | babilen: the card is realtek |
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| 13:15 | <babilen> | grusemil: Do you know which one? |
| 13:15 | <cisne> | fala ae |
| 13:15 | <grusemil> | babilen: but I might consider DVD1 if you're sure that includes cd5 |
| 13:16 | <babilen> | grusemil: You probably need the firmware-realtek package for your ethernet card in that case |
| 13:16 | <babilen> | !tell grusemil -about realtek firmware |
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| 13:16 | <babilen> | !tell grusemil -about realtek |
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| 13:18 | <grusemil> | babilen: cheers, anyways, DVD1 have CD5 right ? |
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| 13:19 | <babilen> | grusemil: I would still recommend to either: 1. Take it from where you are and install a kernel from backports (and firmware from backports!!) + everything you are missing. 2. Use the kmuto netinstall (/msg dpkg kmuto) that comes with a backported kernel already, includes firmware and can connect to WPA encrypted networks. |
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| 13:20 | <babilen> | grusemil: Well, network-manager-gnome is on CD5 and DVD1, yes. DVD1 essentially contains everything you need for a complete Gnome desktop installation, but you can *always* use a suitable netinst installer that downloads everything from the internet. (provided you can connect to the internet via wifi or ethernet) |
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| 13:21 | <grusemil> | babilen: yeah that was my first thought about CD1 |
| 13:21 | <grusemil> | And I assume jigdo is better right ? |
| 13:21 | <babilen> | a common misconception |
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| 13:23 | <babilen> | grusemil: I would always recommend a suitable netinst image for new installation if you can connect to the internet. If a new kernel is needed for your hardware you can use the kmuto ones (also included firmware). If you only need firmware you can either provide the firmware during the installation (/msg dpkg installer firmware) or use a standard installer image with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware image) |
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| 13:24 | <grusemil> | perfect, cheers babilen, back later :) |
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| 13:25 | <babilen> | grusemil: It's just hard to help you if you can't actually try things on your box or run commands. I would *still* recommend to merely configure your wireless network in /etc/network/interfaces and then install: 1. kernel from backports (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) 2. firmware from backports 3. network-manager-gnome 4. gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 13:27 | <babilen> | grusemil: For 2. you need a deb line for backports that ends in "main contrib non-free" and you would, for example, run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-realtek" -- You might need that package for your ethernet card. But please come back and ask when you can actually try things. |
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| 13:47 | <ComradeHaz`> | Hi all, I've done a apt-get update today and I have, as a result, lost contact with my machine. I get http://haz.red-army.org.uk/sshIssue when I try to access it, and have received Sep 14 13:50:11 pluto sshd[30226]: fatal: OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 1000005f, you have 1000103f from logcheck. Please advise. I do now have local access to the machine as I have driven to it. |
| 13:47 | <ComradeHaz`> | Note, this is as a result of what should be a safe upgrade. |
| 13:48 | <movl> | reinstall openssl |
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| 13:49 | <movl> | and ssh(d) |
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| 13:50 | <babilen> | ComradeHaz`: Which version of Debian do you track? Could you paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy PKG" for *all* packages in question. |
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| 13:52 | <ComradeHaz`> | babilen: on it. Someone's nicked the monotor that was connected to it! |
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| 14:01 | <ComradeHaz`> | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/189840 |
| 14:01 | <ComradeHaz`> | I suspect I see the issue. Is it because I have a mixture of testing and 'squeeze' defined? |
| 14:02 | <will> | ? |
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| 14:19 | <babilen> | ComradeHaz`: Yes, that is bound to fail. I would strongly recomend to never mix stable with anything but backports. Right now you might want to completely upgrade to wheezy though. I would also recommend to use "wheezy" in lieu of "testing" in your sources.list |
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| 14:21 | <ComradeHaz`> | babilen: id really appreciate it if you could edit my sources.list to one that will.be okay. Would you mind, please? |
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| 14:22 | <ComradeHaz`> | Also, will i need to do a dist-upgrade or just an upgrade? |
| 14:22 | <tale> | ComradeHaz`: Have you followed the Upgrade Manual? |
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| 14:23 | <ComradeHaz`> | tale, not familliar with it, i fear :-s |
| 14:24 | <tale> | ComradeHaz`: You should do the upgrade following the manual. Then it works. |
| 14:26 | <ComradeHaz`> | Where do i find this manual, tale? |
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| 14:32 | <PigDude> | hi, why does all tab completion die for me w/ `sudo ` prefix? |
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| 14:32 | <PigDude> | `sudo apt`<TAB> will not suggest aptitude or anything at all |
| 14:33 | <tale> | PigDude: Do sudo -i, then use tab completion on the next lines. |
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| 14:35 | <babilen> | !tell ComradeHaz` about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 14:36 | <PigDude> | tale, that is good, but I *know* I have had this tab completion work before |
| 14:36 | <jeremyb> | can i get some terminal suggestions? I just closed an entire terminal window (with 6ish tabs open) by accident without being asked for confirmation. maybe it was alt-space and then c? idk. i'm open to other packages |
| 14:36 | <PigDude> | tale, no troubles opening a root session as you describe, and that is an effective solution for long admin sessions, but my question is about sudo |
| 14:36 | <jeremyb> | what are your favorites? |
| 14:37 | <jeremyb> | (err, that was gnome-terminal btw) |
| 14:37 | <tale> | PigDude: Are you using shell that has tab completion? |
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| 14:37 | <PigDude> | tale, yes... |
| 14:38 | <tale> | PigDude: For me sudo less S<tab> does work. |
| 14:38 | <tale> | PigDude: So does sudo apt<tab> |
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| 14:38 | <PigDude> | i am happy to hear that tale |
| 14:39 | <tale> | PigDude: What does it say when you command echo $SHELL |
| 14:39 | <PigDude> | I have no doubts that what I report to be broken *can* work |
| 14:39 | <babilen> | ComradeHaz`: I can't really edit them if you don't paste anything. You want to have something like: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" (add "contrib non-free" at the end if you want that and note that there is no real security support for wheezy) |
| 14:39 | <PigDude> | tale, /bin/bash ... |
| 14:40 | <PigDude> | tale, note I didn't say that completion never works |
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| 14:40 | <PigDude> | tale, command completion does not work following sudo |
| 14:40 | <PigDude> | tale, on most systems this does work fine, including on a fresh squeeze/wheezy install on a desktop. but I have been running this server for several years |
| 14:40 | <tale> | PigDude: Read man bash, there the chapter Programmable Completion |
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| 14:40 | <PigDude> | tale, it's fine if you don't know how to help me ... |
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| 14:41 | <PigDude> | tale, obviously my question has nothing to do with programming completion |
| 14:41 | <PigDude> | tale, (i'm not going to write my own poor hand-crafted compgen commands to do what the OS can do fine) |
| 14:41 | <tale> | PigDude: Your system is broken. I can not help you with that, since I know nothing about what you are running. |
| 14:42 | <retrospectacus> | I think sudo needs to be passwordless (already auth'd) to be able to complete commands |
| 14:42 | <PigDude> | retrospectacus, i'm confident that is not the case |
| 14:43 | <PigDude> | retrospectacus, on a fresh debian install, `sudo cmd<tab>` will complete |
| 14:43 | <retrospectacus> | same as "ssh foo apt-<tab>" will only work if you have keys working |
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| 14:43 | <retrospectacus> | well I don't use sudo so I can't check |
| 14:43 | <PigDude> | retrospectacus, i beleive debian bash settings takes some shortcuts for this |
| 14:43 | <PigDude> | retrospectacus, to be user-friendly |
| 14:43 | <PigDude> | tale, surprisingly, people will come to a channel like this when their system is "broken" |
| 14:43 | <retrospectacus> | it'll be a shell function called _sudo provided by bash-completion |
| 14:44 | <PigDude> | thanks retrospectacus, looking |
| 14:44 | <retrospectacus> | ehh, not sure about that actually |
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| 14:44 | <PigDude> | yea, this seems incorrect based on some acking |
| 14:46 | <retrospectacus> | works for me too anyways |
| 14:46 | <tale> | PigDude: Try adding to your .bashrc this: complete -cf sudo |
| 14:46 | <retrospectacus> | sudo rout<tab> yields route which is only in /sbin |
| 14:46 | <tale> | PigDude: After reading from the manual what it does, of cource, so I don't fool you. |
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| 14:46 | <retrospectacus> | which is weird because sudo does not work that way on this system |
| 14:47 | <PigDude> | hm |
| 14:47 | <PigDude> | tale, yea, I try that from reading in archlinnux forum now, but it is still incomplete I think? |
| 14:47 | <PigDude> | perhaps i am missing more completions |
| 14:47 | <PigDude> | neither as regular nor sudo do I get aptitude completion |
| 14:47 | <PigDude> | (for subcommands and packages) |
| 14:48 | <PigDude> | i will search for this |
| 14:48 | <PigDude> | thanks guys |
| 14:48 | <tale> | PigDude: Just read on that Debian box, man bash and to to Programmable Completion |
| 14:48 | <PigDude> | this had better have a debian-specific note |
| 14:48 | <PigDude> | because i *know* how programmable completion works and i'd be in freenoed#bash if i wanted to learn more about it |
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| 14:51 | <PigDude> | btw the real fix was to install the "bash-completion' |
| 14:51 | <PigDude> | package |
| 14:51 | <PigDude> | in case somebody asks similar question down the road |
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| 14:52 | <retrospectacus> | .... then your original problem whould have been "tab completion doesn't work" ... why involve sudo? |
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| 14:53 | <PigDude> | retrospectacus, it was trickier than that |
| 14:53 | <PigDude> | retrospectacus, on some systems, `complete -cf sudo` is used to provide sudo completion |
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| 14:54 | <PigDude> | retrospectacus, debian's bash_completion scheme is very sophisticated and covers sudo (with a different approach) and many many more things |
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| 14:54 | <PigDude> | retrospectacus, with this package enabeld, for instance, i only see directories after "cd <TAB>" |
| 14:54 | <PigDude> | retrospectacus, so after solving the issue of command completion, i could see something was still missing, this was the nice aptitude completion. then i read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=459984 |
| 14:55 | <PigDude> | retrospectacus, which shows /etc/bash_completion.d/aptitude. i see that bash_completion.d is very small for me, so I then see that a long time ago I must have removed the completion package. |
| 14:55 | <PigDude> | retrospectacus, now there's so much crap in bash_completion.d ;) |
| 14:55 | <retrospectacus> | hmmm |
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| 15:23 | <kaosu> | Would installing SELinux hurt my upgrade path from current stable to new stable once it is released in the future? |
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| 15:30 | <ectospasm> | kaosu: SELinux makes a lot of system administration tasks more difficult, iirc. Sounds like an upgrade from squeeze->wheezy may be very difficult with SELinux enabled |
| 15:31 | <ectospasm> | I have never used SELinux on Debian, so I don't speak from experience |
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| 15:31 | <ectospasm> | if it were me, I'd isolate the machine from the network, disable SELinux, upgrade the system, and then reenable it |
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| 15:32 | <ectospasm> | ...but I don't know if that's possible, or wise |
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| 15:39 | <kaosu> | Yeah. You can disable policies temporarily, which is what I would likely be required to do for a clean upgrade. |
| 15:41 | <kaosu> | It would likely be a moot point anyway. I can always backup my policies, suspend the userland portion of it, rebuild a vanilla Debian kernel for the upgrade, and once completely upgraded rebuild a supported kernel with SELinux support. |
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| 15:47 | <kaosu> | I am configuring my main workstation with security policies and techniques within the NSA's public handbook for hardening GNU/Linux. Following their standards has been a lot of fun so far. |
| 15:48 | <ectospasm> | jikes... sounds like it'd be a pain to administer |
| 15:48 | <kaosu> | Not at all. It is pretty easy to administer. |
| 15:49 | <ectospasm> | ...I used to run tripwire on my main workstation for similar reasons... all the exceptions I got every day just from my normal use was too much of a pain. |
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| 15:50 | <kaosu> | Yeah. I can see how most people would dislike having to maintain such a setup. However, it really does not bother me at all. I am really picky, and demand to know what my system is up to, and really do like to have the detailed information. |
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| 15:50 | <kaosu> | It does take me a while to read through my logs effectively, but at least I know what is going on. |
| 15:51 | <ectospasm> | kaosu: yeah, and I had a life to get to |
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| 15:53 | <kaosu> | I would like to believe that is not to imply that I do not have a life, lol. |
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| 16:12 | <mikemike> | hi, does anyone here have this UEFI thing instead of bios ? |
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| 16:13 | <mikemike> | i've just bought a new system and it comes with this crap and i have no options to chose boot order. i need to make a fresh install using the usb boot |
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| 16:17 | <mikemike> | wait i found something http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article51/ but i'm not sure how switching from uefi to bios works |
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| 16:20 | <scientes> | mikemike, use bios mode if you can |
| 16:20 | <scientes> | its really only macs that need to boot in uefi mode |
| 16:20 | <scientes> | AFAIK |
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| 16:20 | <mikemike> | but how do i use bios |
| 16:20 | <mikemike> | this thing boots by itself |
| 16:20 | <mikemike> | the uefi |
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| 17:12 | <debtor77> | Hello is anybody in this chat room? |
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| 17:12 | <staticsafe> | sure |
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| 17:13 | <debtor77> | This is my first time using the irssi client and logging into the debian room. |
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| 17:13 | <debtor77> | Are there any do's and don'ts to be aware? |
| 17:16 | <z> | debtor77 yes there are do a /topic and I think it will point you to a web page |
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| 17:18 | <debtor77> | Thanks Z |
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| 17:20 | <debtor77> | Where can you get tech support in the chat rooms? |
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| 17:21 | <ectospasm> | here |
| 17:21 | <ectospasm> | debtor77: right here |
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| 17:22 | <debtor77> | I recently install Debian on my laptop after being a long term ubuntu user and I was hoping to get it to boot faster but it is actually slower. Any idea why that is? |
| 17:23 | <ectospasm> | define "slower" |
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| 17:23 | <ectospasm> | what did you elect to install when you went through the debian-installer? << debtor77 |
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| 17:24 | <debtor77> | Ubuntu 10.something was loading up into Gnome 2.3 something within 45 sec. Now I am just about manage 1 min 10 sec. |
| 17:25 | <ectospasm> | debtor77: you're probably loading GNOME3 in Debian (squeeze? wheezy? sid?) |
| 17:25 | <ectospasm> | ...totally different beast |
| 17:26 | <debtor77> | I am on squeeze 6.0 with Gnome 2.30.2 and kernel 2.6.32 |
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| 17:27 | <ectospasm> | I'd recommend trying a more lightweight DE, like XFCE or LXDE |
| 17:27 | <retrospectacus> | ''dmesg|less'' and see what is taking too much time |
| 17:27 | <debtor77> | I just got really annoyed with Ubuntu always wanting to update and then the clever people thought I will like Unity. |
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| 17:28 | <ectospasm> | retrospectacus: if it's GNOME causing the slowness, it won't show in dmesg |
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| 17:28 | <debtor77> | dmesg|less is that a command I run after boot up? |
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| 17:29 | <ectospasm> | debtor77: dmesg is the command to dump the kernel ring buffer to your terminal's standard output |
| 17:29 | <ectospasm> | ...less is the paging command, to make scrolling through it easier |
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| 17:30 | <debtor77> | Ok I might just try that in a separate tab on guake |
| 17:31 | <ectospasm> | but I don't suspect dmesg will tell you anything |
| 17:31 | <ectospasm> | debtor77: 25sec is not a long time |
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| 17:32 | <ectospasm> | I know on my GNOME3 Classic system the slowdown occurs after I log in, but before the rest of the desktop displays |
| 17:32 | <ectospasm> | ...figuring out where the slowdown is will be tricky |
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| 17:36 | <debtor77> | I scrolled through the dmesg info and a lot of lines occure for pci and I guess the first numbers are the seconds of the system from start. |
| 17:36 | <retrospectacus> | yep |
| 17:37 | <retrospectacus> | try also reading /var/log/syslog, it's similar but has different messages |
| 17:38 | <debtor77> | that takes quite a while 0.452344] Unpacking initramfs... |
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| 17:42 | <debtor77> | I had a quick look in the syslog and it has only 2 lines complaining about the anacron and cron schedulers, which I disabled as services. |
| 17:42 | <ectospasm> | debtor77: not a good idea |
| 17:43 | <debtor77> | why, what do these 2 schedule? |
| 17:43 | <ectospasm> | debtor77: everything |
| 17:43 | <ectospasm> | ...not to be confused with the kernel scheduler |
| 17:43 | <retrospectacus> | various things that you do want. You shouldn't disable crond |
| 17:43 | <ectospasm> | debtor77: cron and anacron schedule a great many things |
| 17:43 | <ectospasm> | I think anacron will be more useful to you on a laptop |
| 17:43 | <debtor77> | Ok will enable them again. |
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| 17:45 | <debtor77> | checked they are still enabled |
| 17:46 | <debtor77> | this is the syslog info |
| 17:46 | <debtor77> | Sep 14 20:45:07 debian anacron[1396]: Job `cron.daily' terminated |
| 17:46 | <debtor77> | Sep 14 20:45:07 debian anacron[1396]: Normal exit (1 job run) |
| 17:46 | <debtor77> | Sep 14 21:13:46 debian kernel: [ 3491.637079] CE: hpet increasing min_delta_ns to 15000 nsec |
| 17:46 | <ectospasm> | !paste |
| 17:46 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:46 | <debtor77> | sorry - needing to learn the manners on here. |
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| 17:50 | <debtor77> | Here is another question - how do you see all the available chat rooms here with Irssi? |
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| 17:51 | <staticsafe> | /list |
| 17:51 | <ectospasm> | debtor77: /list but... beware |
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| 17:52 | <debtor77> | is that before I type /join debian? |
| 17:52 | <staticsafe> | you can do it any time |
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| 17:52 | <staticsafe> | (while connected to the network) |
| 17:53 | <debtor77> | i tried but nothing happens. |
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| 17:53 | <ectospasm> | debtor77: it might be on your 1 screen or whatever irssi calls it |
| 17:53 | <staticsafe> | look in your status window |
| 17:53 | * | ectospasm uses weechat |
| 17:53 | <ectospasm> | I used to use irssi, and I liked it |
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| 17:53 | <debtor77> | I am so sad as I am using a command line based Irssi thingy |
| 17:54 | <ectospasm> | intended to try weechat for a week, and I never went back. |
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| 17:54 | <grusemil> | hi all |
| 17:54 | <grusemil> | how can edit a root file without a root account ? |
| 17:55 | <debtor77> | maybe with sudo command |
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| 17:55 | <retrospectacus> | liveCD |
| 17:55 | <ectospasm> | grusemil: is your user in /etc/sudoers? |
| 17:55 | <debtor77> | but you need to be setup in the sudolist |
| 17:55 | <ectospasm> | debtor77: that's /etc/sudoers |
| 17:56 | <retrospectacus> | never edit that file directly - use the visudo command |
| 17:56 | <ectospasm> | but beware, you should use visudo to edit it! Which requires superuser access |
| 17:56 | <grusemil> | ectosopasm: don't know |
| 17:56 | <grusemil> | ectosopasm: I've to edit a file to have net access |
| 17:56 | <ectospasm> | grusemil: do you know the root password? |
| 17:57 | <grusemil> | sure |
| 17:57 | <ectospasm> | grusemil: then use su - ... sudo will just confuse you |
| 17:57 | <debtor77> | don't you have a root terminal in your accessories? |
| 17:58 | <grusemil> | no, I've the distro only |
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| 17:58 | <grusemil> | yes, there's a terminal, what is the command to edit root files ? |
| 17:58 | <ectospasm> | grusemil: CTRL-ALT-F1 doesn't bring you to a virtual terminal you can use? |
| 17:58 | <retrospectacus> | su |
| 17:58 | <retrospectacus> | to become root, then edit it normally |
| 17:58 | <ectospasm> | grusemil: you need to have superuser privileges |
| 17:59 | <grusemil> | I know |
| 17:59 | <ectospasm> | ...run "su -" and enter the root password when prompted |
| 17:59 | <debtor77> | gedit is ok to edit some files |
| 17:59 | <grusemil> | I don't have a root account |
| 17:59 | <grusemil> | I'm afraid that wont work |
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| 17:59 | <ectospasm> | grusemil: is this Debian? |
| 17:59 | <grusemil> | sure |
| 17:59 | <retrospectacus> | grusemil: you just said you know the root password |
| 17:59 | <ectospasm> | that doesn't sound like a committal password |
| 18:00 | <windy> | holas :D |
| 18:00 | <ectospasm> | er, response |
| 18:00 | <windy> | e-e |
| 18:00 | <retrospectacus> | windy: just ask your debian question or be quiet please |
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| 18:01 | <debtor77> | Has anybody ever used the Free BSD kernel version of Debian? |
| 18:01 | <ectospasm> | not I |
| 18:01 | <retrospectacus> | presumably someone has, yes |
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| 18:02 | <Guest7106> | привет |
| 18:02 | <retrospectacus> | !ru |
| 18:02 | <dpkg> | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 18:02 | <debtor77> | I just wanted to know if it is any better than Linux as it is more controlled kernel |
| 18:03 | <windy> | he wants to ask |
| 18:03 | <daemonkeeper> | "someone" surely used Debian kfreebsd already. |
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| 18:04 | <retrospectacus> | debtor77: http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ and #debian-kbsd |
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| 18:05 | <debtor77> | So has anybody got some comparison to the Linux kernel version? Is it still with the gnome x server? |
| 18:06 | <windy> | -.- |
| 18:06 | <windy> | bye |
| 18:07 | <retrospectacus> | windy: why -,-... you didn't ask anything |
| 18:07 | <debtor77> | < retrospectacus> thanks for the info - that is some detailed reading for a bed time on BSD |
| 18:08 | <retrospectacus> | I don't know if it has gnome |
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| 18:08 | <daemonkeeper> | It has. |
| 18:09 | <daemonkeeper> | Of course, Gnome is not even close to be a X server. |
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| 18:10 | <grusemil> | hi again |
| 18:10 | <debtor77> | I always found the terminology in linux scene confusing. What do you call gnome than? I user interface and what is a X server |
| 18:10 | <grusemil> | how can edit a root file in console ? |
| 18:10 | <retrospectacus> | gnome is a suite of programs, called a "desktop environment" |
| 18:10 | <retrospectacus> | grusemil: su |
| 18:11 | <grusemil> | in console |
| 18:11 | <retrospectacus> | grusemil: su |
| 18:11 | <grusemil> | Anyone can help me ? |
| 18:11 | <retrospectacus> | then edit the file with say, nano or vi or whatever editor you like |
| 18:11 | <Apollo> | grusemil: su |
| 18:11 | <grusemil> | Apollo: I don't know how to edit a text file in console |
| 18:12 | <retrospectacus> | grusemil: I guess nobody can help you |
| 18:12 | <debtor77> | I personally used to use the command sudo gedit /file directory and/ file name |
| 18:12 | <debtor77> | than the password for root access if you are in sudoers list |
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| 18:12 | <ectospasm> | grusemil: "su -c nano /path/to/file/to/edit" |
| 18:13 | <ectospasm> | grusemil: if you know the root password, enter it when prompted |
| 18:13 | <grusemil> | ectospasm: then the text file is showed that's right ? |
| 18:13 | <ectospasm> | grusemil: yes |
| 18:13 | <grusemil> | ectospasm: thank you |
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| 18:14 | <Apollo> | grusemil: what's the output of cat /etc/debian_version ? |
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| 18:16 | <debtor77> | Thank you < retrospectacus> & < ectospasm> for help. I will be back but it late in the UK |
| 18:16 | <retrospectacus> | have a nice weekend :) |
| 18:17 | <debtor77> | Thanks |
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| 18:52 | <grusemil> | I edited /etc/network/interfaces, to # (everyline) and auto eth0; iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 18:52 | <grusemil> | Now, the system doesn't prompt |
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| 18:53 | <retrospectacus> | grusemil: what version of debian |
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| 18:53 | <grusemil> | retrospectacus: debian 6 squeeze 64 |
| 18:54 | <retrospectacus> | ok and what are you trying to do, what did you try exactly and how is it not working |
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| 18:55 | <grusemil> | retrospectacus: I'm tryng to access to net |
| 18:56 | <ntrrgc> | Could I have two libc.so.6 versions working at the same time without recompiling programs? |
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| 18:56 | <ntrrgc> | For example, having a old, but working Debian old-stable system, and wanting to run some newer applications which needs recent libc. |
| 18:56 | <grusemil> | restrospectacus: I did the firmware update of card, then I had to configure interface |
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| 18:56 | <ntrrgc> | *which need |
| 18:57 | <grusemil> | Now the system doesn't intialize |
| 18:57 | <retrospectacus> | grusemil: put /etc/network/interfaces on paste.debian.net for us |
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| 18:57 | <grusemil> | I can't since I can't access to debian now |
| 18:58 | <retrospectacus> | grusemil: you left auto lo iface lo inet loopback right |
| 18:59 | <grusemil> | restrospectacus: basically i add # to the lines then a space and auto eth0 |
| 18:59 | <grusemil> | iface eth0 inet dhcp, these 2 lines |
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| 19:00 | <grusemil> | Where are all the experts of root now ? |
| 19:01 | <retrospectacus> | haha |
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| 19:02 | <retrospectacus> | well auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp is correct, not sure what you mean by the # thing... and still don't know what the problem is... "the system doesn't intialize" is not a network issue |
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| 19:02 | <grusemil> | i get a few lines before the system prompt |
| 19:02 | <grusemil> | starting portmap daemon |
| 19:03 | <grusemil> | starting nfs common utilities |
| 19:03 | <grusemil> | *:statd |
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| 19:04 | <retrospectacus> | and? |
| 19:04 | <grusemil> | nothing after that |
| 19:04 | <grusemil> | before there's something like: bound to (...) renewal in 1503 seconds |
| 19:05 | <retrospectacus> | that's good |
| 19:05 | <grusemil> | if I plug the cable thats what shows |
| 19:05 | <grusemil> | cable off theres another msg |
| 19:05 | <grusemil> | however the system doesn't prompt too |
| 19:06 | <grusemil> | which is weird |
| 19:07 | <grusemil> | about the # thing.. I added # before to all lines of \interface |
| 19:08 | <grusemil> | except the lines I added ofc |
| 19:08 | <retrospectacus> | keep lo |
| 19:08 | <retrospectacus> | loopback |
| 19:08 | <grusemil> | ? |
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| 21:20 | <GNU> | hello |
| 21:20 | <tale> | Hello indeed. |
| 21:20 | <GNU> | jeeze, I'm having problems with the dang microphone |
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| 21:20 | <tale> | !tell gnu about ask |
| 21:20 | <GNU> | I read up a bit on it and apparently it has happened to many. |
| 21:21 | <GNU> | Every time I open the volume control panel and unmute the mic I open it back up and boom it's muted again. |
| 21:21 | <GNU> | amixer says my captue is off? |
| 21:22 | <tale> | GNU: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 21:22 | <GNU> | 6.0 |
| 21:23 | <tale> | GNU: Does the microphone work if you unmute it? |
| 21:23 | <GNU> | Though I open alsamixer and it's maxed. If I just knew how to change it from off in amixer, yet I don't have enough knowledge yet. |
| 21:24 | <GNU> | tale: I tried google voice and the caller can't hear me. I will try another program, but I doubt it. I'll try again though. |
| 21:24 | <tale> | GNU: Does the microphone work if you unmute it? |
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| 21:24 | <GNU> | nope |
| 21:25 | <tale> | GNU: So your problem is: microphone does not work at all? |
| 21:25 | <GNU> | no not at all. |
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| 21:26 | <tale> | GNU: Just to make sure, you have read this: http://wiki.debian.org/SoundFAQ |
| 21:26 | <GNU> | nope but I'll read it right now |
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| 21:28 | <GNU> | thank you |
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| 21:47 | <abc> | anyone help, this is my first time |
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| 22:10 | <siddy> | can anyone tell me what it means when you can't create a skype account? the 'sign in' tab stays greyed out |
| 22:10 | <siddy> | oops, 'sign up' tab |
| 22:11 | <siddy> | version 4 |
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| 22:12 | <un214> | apt-get update is failing with 404 errors |
| 22:13 | <un214> | referencing debian-multimedia |
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| 22:19 | <jeep> | siddy: try making an account on the website |
| 22:20 | <siddy> | jeep: ok |
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| 22:30 | <siddy> | jeep: I could be a dummy :) |
| 22:30 | <siddy> | jeep: do you know how to use it? |
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| 23:20 | <Eryn_1983_FL> | hey peeps i am trying to put this bitlbee repo into my sources and its not going can ya help me out? "deb http://code.bitlbee.org/debian/xmpp-oauth/ main |
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| 23:25 | <ari_elle> | how can i automatically load module with startup of computer? |
| 23:25 | <ari_elle> | so that i don't have to type anything |
| 23:25 | <arand> | Eryn_1983_FL: It says on http://code.bitlbee.org/debian/ how to do it... |
| 23:26 | <Eryn_1983_FL> | i am trying.. |
| 23:26 | <Eryn_1983_FL> | i can pastebin what i got in my sources ? |
| 23:27 | <Eryn_1983_FL> | http://sprunge.us/jHBV |
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| 23:29 | <arand> | That should work according to the site at least, I don't know... |
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| 23:29 | <Eryn_1983_FL> | :( |
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| 23:31 | <ari_elle> | ari_elle: just use /etc/modules ... :/ some people just can't search |
| 23:31 | <arand> | Eryn_1983_FL: Or actually , you might have to replace "stable main" with simply "./" ... |
| 23:31 | <Eryn_1983_FL> | yeah. |
| 23:31 | <Eryn_1983_FL> | thats my though just now |
| 23:33 | <Eryn_1983_FL> | looked like it almost worked. |
| 23:33 | <Eryn_1983_FL> | adding key now |
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| 23:38 | <Eryn_1983_FL> | ... dang |
| 23:38 | <Eryn_1983_FL> | no suport for amd64 yet for this i think, nothing i repo |
| 23:38 | <Eryn_1983_FL> | i will just use the testing.bitlbee.org server. |
| 23:39 | <crd> | you are aware of the security ramifacations of that, i hope? |
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| 23:45 | <Emmanuel_Chanel> | Hello! |
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