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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-09-15

---Logopened Sat Sep 15 00:00:56 2012
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00:41<dev__>i get an error trying to install libkrb5-dev
00:41<dev__> libpq-dev : Depends: libkrb5-dev but it is not going to be installed
00:41<dev__>E: Broken packages
00:41<dev__>like- what;s up with dat?
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00:44<GNU>alright I'm at the end of my rope I don't know how to fix my microphone issue.
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00:46<GNU>Tired to test recording with my microphone with audacity no recording devices found.
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00:47<GNU>I tired to record with arecord and aplay
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00:50<GNU>dev__: have you tried sudo apt-get -f upgrade --fix-missing
00:50<GNU>first sudo apt-get update
00:51<dev__>GNU yes
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00:52<dev__>don't know what is going wrong?
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00:54<GNU>not sure if this will help or not
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00:58<dev__>GNU: it's not installed
00:58<GNU>no recording devices found in audacity and my microphone doesn't work. What gives? I've been at this for hours.
00:58<GNU>dev__: what's not installed?
00:59<GNU>can you sudo apt-get install libpq-dev
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00:59<GNU>what happens then?
00:59<GNU>can you post it on pastie or pastebin or something.
00:59<dev__> libpq-dev : Depends: libkrb5-dev but it is not going to be installed
00:59<dev__>E: Broken packages
01:00<dev__>two lines of paste, i know i'm bad
01:00*dev__ where are the paste nazi's?
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01:03<GNU>have you tried sudo apt-get install -f apt-get update then apt-get install libkrb5-dev
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01:04<GNU>then it will tell you something like that package depends on something else, that depends on that and so on and so on until you have it all.
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01:42<GNU>now the device is found
01:42<GNU>I had to install sets of drivers it seems.
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03:05<rohit>hello ..
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05:16<Garp>Question: for Android developpement, there is some Android SDk distributed by Google. I couldnt find it in the debian packages repository even if it seems to be build on free sofrware (but maybe with some proprietary parts?). Is there a reason?
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05:54<EmleyMoor>Are there any workable ways to set up 4over6 on Debian?
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06:25<Guest7161>I have install imagemagick, libmagickwand, libmagickwand-dev but still dont have the 'convert' program
06:25<Guest7161>does anyone know which package its supposed to be in?
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06:45<dutchfish>have you checked graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat
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06:47<GlitchNZ>I just purged all my magick packages and reinstalled - that seems to have solved the problem
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06:48<dutchfish>ah ok, also read /usr/share/doc/imagemagick/www/convert.html
06:51<GlitchNZ>netsplit :)
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07:39<Egnuph>Why are imaginary complexes so up their own bottoms? (:
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10:31<kevind>hi, can anyone help me with a debian squeeze cpu problem?
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10:32<kevind>the issue: intel i5 cpu, debian squeeze with kernel installed(installed from backports)
10:32<kevind>and the cpu usage is horrible
10:32<kevind>cpu0 and cpu2 is mostly used, cpu2 and cpu3 is not really
10:33<kevind>i installed linux mint 13, cpu usage was fine there but in case of mint i had gpu issues
10:33<kevind>cos i have dual gpu
10:33<kevind>any suggestion?
10:33<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
10:34<kevind>i want to use debian
10:34<kevind>i used it for 2 years but after i bought a new laptop
10:34<kevind>debian stable doesnt support my vga at all
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10:34<kevind>no external monitor appears, kernel does
10:35<kevind>but here i have issues with cpu usage..
10:35<ompaul>kevind: eh you use mint go to the mint channel
10:35<ompaul>it's not debian
10:36<ompaul>kevind: also that is usual to see a couple of parts of the cpu getting hammered and the rest of it not
10:36<blarson>ompaul: he is using squeeze
10:36<kevind>as i wrote, i tried mint, but i want to use debian squeeze
10:36<kevind>yes, im writing from squeeze
10:37*ompaul has a few 8 core machines and you may see a core running 10% and most other ones running 1% or so
10:37<ompaul>or less
10:38<kevind>the problem came up with it that in case of normal cpu usage the cpu teml is 45 in general
10:38<kevind>but now (in squeeze) its ~55
10:38<kevind>in default
10:39<ompaul>different kernel different programs different is different I get 10 degrees difference on a day to day basis in my bigger boxes
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10:41<kevind>yeah, then i might better to go back to mint.. :S
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10:49<ompaul>kevind: and back to your gpu issues maybe that is why you had gpu issues it's swings and roundabouts ... you have to choose what does for you
10:49*ompaul thinks veiled threats are a great way to keep interest in your issues
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10:52<kevind>i think im gonna try to install xfce4 on debian squeeze, cos now its gnome
10:53<kevind>that might cause less cpu load
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10:54<ompaul>also you might consider
10:54<dpkg>The Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment (LXDE) is available for Debian since Lenny. To install, ask me about <install lxde>. #lxde on
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10:57<rohit>hello everyone
10:57<kevind>yeah thank you
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11:01<timon>how to customize conky ?
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11:19<nadir>with .conkyrc or not?
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11:35<Rebba>Hello all, im trying to install debian as a dualboot option on my desktop, i burned the 6.0.5 netinst iso to a disk and rebooted the machine, i get to the install menu, but i press "install" and almost straight away it says "kernel panic, not syncing vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block[some numbers]
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11:35<Rebba>i tried graphic install as well, but that only gave me a black screen
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11:37<Rebba>i have googled around, but to no avail
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11:42<Rebba>So, just to be clear, this is not when updating or anything, i havent even booted the install environment
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11:48<Rebba>in any case, im trying the live disk, even if its "only" 6.0.4
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11:52<Rebba>nothing? :(
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11:55<Apollo>Rebba: is this with a DVD or a usb stick?
11:55<nadir>you can finish the installation, but then you get a black screen (After rebooting) ?
11:55<nadir>or you can't even install?
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11:56<nadir>Anyway: you might try later, it seems rather silent here (right now)
11:56<Rebba>cant even install, this happens straight after i choose the "Install debian" choice from the cd
11:56<nadir>if it was me I would download a CD and try with that.
11:57<nadir>but that is shooting in the dark (my approach)
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11:57<Rebba>ah, sorry, yes, this is a cd, the netinst iso
11:57<Thalheim>is your architecture the same (32/64 bit) because trying to install 64 bit on an x86 computer WILL show the installation menu and then freeze.
11:57<nadir>I meant the full CD
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11:57<Rebba>ah, right, ill have to check that Thalheim
11:57<Rebba>i think i got the right one, but ill double check
11:57<nadir>I think the netinstall is for both, 32 and 64, no?
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11:58<TCW>Sep 15 17:50:27 adrastea pulseaudio[9184]: [pulseaudio] main.c: User-configured server at {5d395c732d19e29282ff0f0549ecde5c}unix:/tmp/pulse-kAX0Yvz2fl6v/native, refusing to start/autospawn. <- funny, there is nothing at /tmp/pulse-kAX0Yvz2f*, how come? Where does pulseaudio store where to look for its socket?
11:58<Thalheim>err, not sure. I use netinstall for my servers because it is "barebones" and have ixperienced that issue
11:59<Rebba>im booting windows on my computer in question(this is my wifes comp)
11:59<nadir>Thalheim: I merely asked. I usually use CD1 and pretty much always 32 (hence: shooting in the dark)
11:59<Thalheim>and just checked, there are two variations of netinstall, i386 and amd64
11:59<nadir>k, thanks
12:00<Rebba>i have a 64 bit system and its the amd64 iso :(
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12:00<Rebba>i would have liked it to be that simple, even if it meant me looking like an ass :P
12:00<TCW>Rebba, at what point does the installer stop again? Tried to find it in the backlog, wasn't successful ;)
12:01<Rebba>TCW: straight away
12:01<TCW>Rebba, how far does it go? DO you see *anything* CD or installer related?
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12:01<Rebba>rather, i get the install choice menu (graphical, expert etc) and i press "install" and it hangs straight away after that
12:01<TCW>Rebba, ah ok. Did you try *any* other LINUX live CDS?
12:02<TCW>+to boot up
12:02<Rebba>i am going to now
12:02<TCW>Rebba, I suggest "grml"
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12:02<Rebba>grml? ok, ill check that out
12:02<TCW>best live-distro imho for such stuff
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12:03<Thalheim>I had to make a USB stick installation from the netinstall ISO to use on my laptop, also. I used this tool:
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12:03<Anon>best tools are Lili , try to search on google
12:03<TCW>Rebba, btw. what kind of hardware is that? Be specific if possible.
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12:04<TCW>Anon, lily?
12:04<TCW>err... lili
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12:04<Anon>yes , linux live usb creator
12:04<Rebba>its Dell xps 620 system with dualcore and three disks being used for windows
12:05<Rebba>its soon 5 years old, my system is
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12:07<TCW>Rebba, what kind of dualcore? Core 2 Duo?
12:07<Rebba>intel core2 duo
12:08<Rebba>e8500 type
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12:09<Thalheim>have you tried installing the i386 version on the 64bit computer?
12:09<blitzed>Rebba does the system work withthe Debian LIVE ISO?
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12:09<Rebba>i am downloading the and the debian 6.0.4 isos, so i can answer that in a moment blitzed
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12:11<TCW>in the meantime, anyone familiar with f*ing pulseaudio around? ;)
12:12<blitzed>cool Rebba, I used the Debian Debian LXDE/XFCE disc on this current machine, which is likesie a core2 duo
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12:13<blitzed>jeeez I can not type to save my life this morning, just woke up a while ago
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12:14<blitzed>Rebba did you try the netinst ISO?
12:14<Rebba>this is the netinst
12:15<TCW>blitzed, imho they should not differ at that point
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12:15<TCW>afaik the normal DVD1 or CD1 is just a netinst with more packages on it
12:15<romano>hey people i got a question i would like to install msn messenger on my linux how kan i do that
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12:16<abrotman>romano: most people use something like pidgin or amsn
12:16<blitzed>TCW yeah but some people llike installers which pull down fresh goodies, instead of using static ISO
12:16<abrotman>Rebba: tried the wheezy netinst?
12:16<Rebba>wheezy, is that 6.0.4?
12:17<TCW>Rebba, nope, wheezy is the next release
12:17<abrotman>currently testing
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12:17<romano>i have de emessenger but i don't like it because i dont work the way i want
12:17<Rebba>ah, ill give grml a test (its currently rebooting) before moving on
12:18<romano> i can not came whit vriend en when i put some new people on it it doesn]t work
12:19<TCW>Rebba, but the testing installer is more current, may work on machines that do not work with the stable installer.
12:19<romano>wich can i try now
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12:22<Rebba>wait, there is a .exe file on the 6.0.5 install media, what can i do with that?
12:22<TCW>Rebba, what is the complete name of that exe?
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12:23<TCW>funny... did debian incorporate that windows-installer? :)
12:23<Rebba>im gonna try it, since i have it on the disc already
12:23<nadir>been there for long
12:23<TCW>Rebba, no idea if it will help in your case, but worth a shot
12:24<romano>can someone help me please
12:24<Rebba>as long as i can reformat to ext3 or 4, im fine
12:25<TCW>Rebba, in a nutshell, that would be a way to install Debian through windows... I tried it at least once out of pure curiosity (at that time it was in no way official on a debian ISO) and it did fail misserably :)
12:25<TCW>Rebba, you want to get rid of windows completely?
12:25<Rebba>no, i like battlefield 3 too much :/
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12:27<TCW>hehe :) maybe it will work with wine in GNU/Linux? But dual-boot is alwaysa valid option, true :)
12:27<Rebba>i checked, bf3 isnt really wine friendly, sadly
12:27<Rebba>but all my other games are, so thats why im taking the plunge
12:28<TCW>I see
12:28<TCW>Rebba, how does grml go?
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12:29<abrotman>wheezy netinst is probably really the best option
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12:29<Rebba>grml is in the pipes and im trying the windows installer atm
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12:30<Rebba>i noticed it said "disabling ntfs compression in bootmgr or something similar, perhaps thats whats making the kernel panic
12:31<blitzed>Rebba nice you are not being fooled into staying with LOSEdows, solely to have your games. if I want to play games, I have my Commodore 64 here har har!
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12:33<TCW>Rebba, the installer (from now "d-i" in short) does not care about the content on any disk in the beginning. It should at least boot and that does fail already.
12:34<Rebba>well, now we are further along than before, using the install.exe from windows booted me into the graphical install environment
12:34<TCW>Rebba, after a reboot?
12:35<TCW>or still in windows?
12:35<Rebba>after reboot
12:35<TCW>I don't remember exactly how the windows-setup does work... so at least I am flying blind here :)
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12:36<Rebba>i checked the log for what it did, and hte last thing it did was decompress or disable compression in bootsector i think
12:36<TCW>what log?
12:38<Rebba>well, "log" just a "show details" button when i had finished running install.exe
12:39<TCW>ok... no idea than :)
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12:39<TCW>but as this d-i boots from a ntfs drive, I guess it does do something ntfs-specific :)
12:41<Rebba>actually, it seems to only copy a small number of files and interrupt the normal windows startup procedure on next boot, then boot the install envirnment which then looks for the cd for stuff
12:41<Rebba>because when i rebooted it gave me a windows option boot of "normal windows" or "continue install"
12:42<TCW>yeah, it *does* integrate itself in the windows boot-manager aka boot.ini
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12:44<Rebba>the installer seems to working perfectly now atleast
12:45<TCW>there are mana paths to rome :)
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12:45<TCW>many even
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12:46<Rebba>jesus i feel like an idiot... i forgot to write down the disk names and sizes, i was like "ill remember" but its been 30 minutes now and i cant recall which disk i wanted to use...
12:47<TCW>hehe :)
12:48<Rebba>can i use the shell to find out? cause the disk i want to use is empty, so i could check that perhaps?
12:48<TCW>no idea if there is enough stuff on the d-i to actually mount ntfs drives to "have a look" but... if all fails, grml does
12:48<Rebba>k, atleast i know i can use the install.exe now, so ill just boot windows again
12:48<Rebba>and _write it down_ *grumblecakes*
12:49<TCW>Rebba, I'd check if there is enough stuff to mount ntfs... but, your choice :)
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12:51<TCW>brb... f*cking pulseaudio forces me to reboot :/
12:51<Rebba>ye, im too impulsive.. rebooted already
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12:54<wwkd>can anyone tell me what asus_nb_wmi actually does? does it just handle function laptop keys?
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13:01<Rebba>thank god for the irc, seriously
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13:03<Rebba>what are your favorite lightweight or semi lightweight window managers?
13:03<Rebba>xfce, right, and what else?
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13:05<Rebba>lol, from the awesomewm website "This gonna be LEGEN... wait for it... DARY!"
13:05<TCW>WTF? Now PA just works?!
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13:06<Rebba>TCW: "now installing base system" :P
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13:11<Rebba>i hope this is it, i am secretely hopeing i wont want to play battlefield enough to reboot into windows, so that in the end ill just clean out that ugly piece of software
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13:13<blitzed>damn it, I just vacuumed up my Debian installer thumbdrive
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13:15<blitzed>I had to dig it out of the vacuum...
13:16<blitzed>the vacuum sure slurped it up! I hacked my vacuum to make it more powerful har har!
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13:17<Rebba>#nailbiting "rebooting into new installation"
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13:18<Rebba> \o/
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14:04<grusemil>hi all
14:04<grusemil>hey babilen
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14:10<kodak>Hello again, this is Rebba from a while ago
14:11<kodak>running debian with xfce *happy
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14:14<siddy>I like xfce but why doesn't thunar have a search function?
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14:15<siddy>is there a debian-xfce?
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14:21<kodak>from what i understand, it wouldnt be correct to say there is or isnt a debian xfce, since the window environment isnt really part of the debian work
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14:22<chealer>siddy: an IRC channel?
14:22<dpkg>Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. #xfce on
14:22<grusemil>I'm having problem downloading packages
14:24<Thalheim>grusemil: what errors?
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14:25<grusemil>Thalheim: seems that apt-get update didn't run correctly
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14:26<Thalheim>what do you have inside "/etc/apt/sources.list" ?
14:26<Thalheim>(query me if it's a large paste)
14:26<grusemil>I changed that too
14:26<grusemil>Didn't fix the problem
14:26<blitzed>kodak that is great!
14:27<Thalheim>stupid question, "ifconfig" says you're connected to the network?
14:27<blitzed>grusemil try a different repository?
14:29<grusemil>Thalheim, apparently yes, but I had to wait 5 minutes to system prompt
14:29<blitzed>one thing Debian installer should have, an option to determine the fastest package repositories...sometimes it is guesswork choosing one...I was only lucky to notice one at a college not far away.
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14:31<grusemil>My goal is to install network-manager-gnome so I can config the WIFI connection
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14:31<Thalheim>grusemil: what do you mean "wait 5 minutes to system prompt" ?
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14:34<kodak>hello all
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14:34<kodak>snafu on my fresh debian *doh*
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14:34<kodak>nvidia-xconfig screwed me over. where can i find the xconfig file again, please?
14:35<grusemil>Thalheim the OS initialize after 5 min
14:35<kodak>and, what should i change to get a x server running again
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14:38<Osiris_X>which is better encryption on top of LVM or LVM on top of an encrypted partition?
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14:42<kodak>k, i found the xorg.conf, now, what can i do to get a working x server again please
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14:42<ompaul>Osiris_X: there's a difference?
14:43<kodak>my wife is using her computer, so i cant really hijack her's to google it out(since im in cli)
14:43<TCW>kodak, that depends on what exactly is broken... so, xorg.0.log please, in /var/log in case you wonder where to look for it.
14:43<Osiris_X>ompaul: on my debian install I'm being asked to choose which I do 1st, so I'm posing the question
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14:44<TCW>kodak, and apart from that logfile... you could be a bit more spcific... how exactly is it broken?
14:44<TCW>Osiris_X, "better"? It just depends on how you like it.
14:45<kodak>TCW: sorry, it says "no devices detected" when i try to "startxfce4"
14:45<kodak>ill find the xorg.0.log
14:45<TCW>kodak, startxfce is a cli command to start a xfce-session?
14:46<TCW>I don't use xfce and I use login-managers since... guess like since always :)
14:46<nadir>ls /usr/bin | grep xfce
14:47<nadir>i think its startxfce4-session, or similar
14:47<TCW>nadir, ?
14:47<kodak>yes it is TCW, however i have a question, where can i show you the xorg.0.log file? (from cli)
14:48<TCW>kodak, there is a tool called "pastebinit", it is great for pasting in cli.
14:48<kodak>k, a minute please
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14:49<ompaul>Osiris_X: basic rule of thumb if you have weak back up foo then you don't want to use encryption - you will loose your data if you - you stand some chance of recovery IF you don't encrypt, assuming good back up foo and a laptop then /boot must be unencrypted and then you can encrypt and put LVM on it
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14:49<ompaul>Osiris_X: sorry badly written -
14:50<kodak>so, example command TCW "pastebinit -i Xorg.0.log" ?
14:50<TCW>kodak, man pastebinit :) and if I may, I'd prefer :)
14:51<ompaul>Osiris_X: assuming a laptop encryption on a desktop is not really the best idea unless you have a real and persistent threat to your data - you can encrypt single files with gpg much more recoverable
14:51<TCW>I am not rude here, I'd have to look for myself in the manpage, so...
14:51<kodak>i always have a problem understanding the man pages, they never show you examples >.<
14:51<Osiris_X>ompaul: no worries, I understand you - it is a laptop and I have left my /boot is unencrypted
14:51<TCW>kodak, then don't look for an example, look for the options you need
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14:52<TCW>kodak, it may need some time before one can get useful infos from manpages at first, but it is always worth it to invest those 5 minutes
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14:52<kodak>its the syntax i need the examples for, i never know where to put -options and where to say filename etc
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14:53<TCW>kodak, it is all there... the syntax is right in the start about where and how to put them
14:53<Osiris_X>ompaul: so you are saying that if for example I have a HDD crash / corruption there is no chance of recovery if it is encrypted?
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14:54<TCW>ok, in this case... no its not, as the filename should be placed behind one option... but, the order of thoise options do not matter, so...
14:54<ompaul>Osiris_X: pretty much you are going to have a hard time explaining to an encrypted partition you want just that bit over there
14:54<ompaul>Osiris_X: one bit flipped and all gone
14:54<Osiris_X>ompaul: sweet jesus
14:54<ompaul>Osiris_X: make multiple encrypted partitions :)
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14:55<kodak>189925 <<-- my paste to you TCW
14:55<TCW>kodak, I guess
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14:55<ompaul>Osiris_X: use a bit of critical thinking about what you are doing eh?
14:56<TCW>kodak, ok... first, your nvidia-binary-blob-driver is b0rken :)
14:56<kodak>oh noes!
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14:56<TCW>kodak, not so bad... we'll figure it out
14:57<ompaul>Osiris_X: if it is really valuable and you want to recover - gpg and tarballs hopefully you only lose one file and get to recover all else
14:57<TCW>kodak, how did you install the driver in the first place? Be specific.
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14:57<Osiris_X>ompaul: not a problem, I just did not percieve encryption as a greater risk in a recovery situation, since I assumed as long as you know the key and the decryption software / middle ware is intact then to all intents and purposes it was like any other partition
14:57<TCW>kodak, and what exactly d you want with that machine? Do you really need the binary-blob-driver or is the free one enough?
14:58<ompaul>Osiris_X: ever lose a partition?
14:58<Osiris_X>ompaul: yes
14:58<kodak>i installed nvidia-glx and dependecies and nvidia-xconfig to install drivers
14:58<ompaul>Osiris_X: well you rely on the part doing the magic to let you back in
14:58<kodak>and, TCW im not sure if i _need_ nonfree
14:59<kodak>i plan on using this as a daily machine and play some games through wine(guild wars 2 notably)
14:59<TCW>kodak, ok... wine and games... in that case it highly depends if the free driver (name is "nouveau") is enough...
14:59<kodak>i have sli'd 440 cards(or 460's, not sure now)
15:00<TCW>oh? SLI setup? Ok, I guess you want the blob :)
15:00<kodak>i had a hunch in that direction, thats why i went for nonfree drivers
15:00<ompaul>Osiris_X: I came into work one morning to find that the multi terabyte backup system had lost a disk with rather large disk in it - I was okay for 24 hours step back but not the rest due to the redundant other machine
15:00<TCW>But at least I would find it rather interesting on how nouveau would handle such setup... so, up for a bit research? :)
15:01<ompaul>Osiris_X: so I could not go back one day but had the rest of the stuff ok
15:01<kodak>so after i installed the nvidia-glx i just ran "nvidia-xconfig"
15:01<kodak>i would be, if i had a gui :P
15:01<kodak>or do you mean you want to use me as a test bunny? :P
15:01<TCW>kodak, just remove xorg.conf (back it up) and reboot, does that give you a useable GUI back?
15:02<kodak>hold on
15:02<TCW>kodak, oh wait!
15:02<TCW>kodak, see if there is a file about blacklisting nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d/
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15:03<TCW>kodak, if it is... remove that file as well (back it up too) and THEN reboot
15:04<kodak>i removed xorg.conf, and that worked(somewhat, text was unreadable on screen)
15:04<kodak>ill check the modprobe
15:05<kodak>nothing about nvidia blacklist
15:05<TCW>Text unreadable? In what regard?
15:06<kodak>too blotchy, too small
15:06<kodak>im back in cli now, i logged out
15:06<Osiris_X>ompaul: ok. in my situation it makes sense to encrypt my /home and /var partitions - my /home is backed up to an external Raid 10 drive. But that answers my question since presumably I must install LVM 1st to make such a scenario possible
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15:07<ompaul>no, but it helps
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15:07<TCW>kodak, did it look broken or was it just small?
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15:08<kodak>like xfce was "sending" in 1900x1100 resolution but the screen was only showing in 900x500(or something, i hope im making sense)
15:08<TCW>as I can't figure out what exactly "blotchy" means there :)
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15:08<kodak>it wasnt too small as such, but too blotchy to read
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15:09<TCW>kodak, would you mind pasting tha last xorg.0.log?
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15:09<Osiris_X>ompaul: even if everything except /boot is on LVM?
15:09<kodak>sure, 2 secs
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15:10<kodak>189927 <<- TCW, again at
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15:11<ompaul>Osiris_X: for a flexible system that's good - give it a couple of gigs also
15:12<Osiris_X>ompaul: give /boot a couple of gigs??
15:12<TCW>kodak, I guess KMS did not kick in? The text-font in clis is still kinda 80x25 lines/rows?
15:12<ompaul>Osiris_X: yes two three
15:12<TCW>cli even
15:12<kodak>yes TCW
15:12<ompaul>Osiris_X: you'll work it out a bit down the line
15:12<kodak>i dont know what KMS is, but text in cli is huge
15:12<TCW>kodak, ok, nouveau needs KMS, so :)
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15:13<TCW>kodak, KernelModeSetting, basically framebuffer, sort of... nice and high resolution screen in cli.
15:13<Osiris_X>ompaul: what's the logic? I have always sized my /boot 128mb -256mb
15:13<kodak>TCW: want! gief! :P
15:14<TCW>kodak, add a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ name it... whatever, just the .conf is important at the end... in that file add a line saying "options nouveau modeset.... err... I have to look, one moment...
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15:16<ompaul>Osiris_X: ever kill /boot by accident and then you started on the data?
15:16<TCW>kodak, you are on debian stable I guess?
15:16<ompaul>Osiris_X: one you can recover from and the other you can't
15:16<birch>Can someone please explain to me what he means by this line from "As there are already (unencrypted) files in that directory, I must take a backup of them so that I can restore them to the then encrypted /home/falko/ directory later on (otherwise these filles cannot be accessed/read while the directory is encrypted):" Does this mean that if you enc
15:16<birch>rypt the directory/partition with files in there, that the files are innaccessible after the encryption or that because he's encrypting his home directory he needs certain files in /tmp/ for the install to continue to function during the encryption? thanks.
15:16<kodak>TCW: yes, 6.0.5
15:19<Osiris_X>ompaul: sorry for being such a dunce here - but I don't see the difference between kill a 128mb /boot partition and killing a 2GB /boot partition. surely both can be rebuilt from a liveCD/USB
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15:19<TCW>kodak, for later, as it seems we do not want to go deeper with SLI and nouveau, at least not yet, BUT later more on that topic :) now we try to fix the blob, ok?
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15:20<kodak>TCW: aye-aye cap'n :)
15:20<ompaul>Osiris_X: 2gb takes a few seconds to write to, a few more than 128megs
15:20<ompaul>Osiris_X: better yet leave 2gb blank at the front end of the drive not a partition
15:20<Osiris_X>ompaul: lol ok I'm with you now
15:21<TCW>kodak, so... dpkg -l|grep nvidia| pastebinit -b -u kodak -
15:21<kodak>scratch the new .conf file in modeprobe for now?
15:21<Osiris_X>ompaul: I guess I could put my 8GB swap at the front end of the drive
15:22<TCW>kodak, yes
15:22<ompaul>Osiris_X: I'd still stick a 2 - 4 gig blank in there first
15:23<ompaul>Osiris_X: some day it is after midnight and you know exactly what you are doing, but what you are doing is not the command you typed before you ran it
15:23<TCW>kodak, and that last dash "-" in that pastebinit last command... not sure if it is needed (manpage does not mention it) but test it with and without, one should work :)
15:23<kodak>TCW: 189928 <<--
15:23<kodak>with last dash it seems
15:24<ompaul>Osiris_X: this is my last comment on this subject, in the case I am thinking of you only have to rebuild grub
15:24<Osiris_X>ompaul: I understand. Thanks for the advice
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15:25<TCW>kodak, at least all packages are there... but... maybe the card is too new for these chips? Let me check... oh, lspci|grep -i vga|pastebinit ... - as before
15:25<TCW>err... stable to old for these chips...
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15:26<kodak>TCW: i wouldnt think so, these cards are atleast 10 months old, but ill run the command for ya
15:26<TCW>kodak, the drivers in stable are way older, go figure :)
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15:27<kodak>189929 <-- TCW
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15:29<TCW>kodak, see in the README.txt in /usr/share/doc/nvidia.../ (don't remember exactly what nvidia-package ships that file, it should list what chips it supports
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15:31<kodak>TCW: right-ho
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15:37<kodak>TCW: not finding a list of supported devices.. :S
15:37<TCW>it is there, but there I found it online
15:38<kodak>k, thanks
15:38<TCW>Appendix A. Supported NVIDIA GPU Products
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15:42<TCW>kodak, found it?
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15:45<TCW>kodak, in short (no idea why you need so long :p) your cards are not listed to be supported with that (old) driver... but, we have a newer one in backports, so you will be fine.
15:46<kodak>TCW: im not handy with the nano yet >.< but ye, i saw they are not there
15:46<kodak>(also, baby crying)
15:46<TCW>kodak, you did manage to download that README and use nano?
15:47<TCW>nex time use "grep 0de0 /path/to/README.txt" it'll be faster :p
15:48<TCW>0de0 <- that is the card identifier, remember? lspci gave you that information (and not much else...)
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15:48<kodak>didnt remember, now i do, ye
15:49<TCW>kodak, you know how backports work?
15:49<kodak>no :(
15:49<kodak>dont know what they are even
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15:49<TCW>kodak, any CLI broser installed? As... I could paste the explanation, but you could read it in lynx / w3m or any other cli browser :)
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15:50<kodak>which one is easier, lynx or w3m?
15:50<kodak>ill try both, i have consoles to spare
15:50<TCW>dunno... I don't use either anymore... but I used to use lynx. I did not like its UI but it works...
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15:51<TCW>kodak, - first chapter "introduction" so you know what it is and then straight to "Instructions"
15:53<TCW>kodak, if you need help, ask
15:53<TCW>or if something is not clear...
15:54<kodak>thanks TCW, ill do if i run into a snag
15:55<TCW>kodak, what browser do you use btw.?
15:56<kodak>im opening the page in lynx to see the difference
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16:01<kodak>TCW: k, apt-get update done with backports in place
16:01<kodak>i prefered w3m btw :P
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16:02<TCW>kodak, basically you want now all nvidia packages you have installed from backports, do you manage that?
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16:03<kodak>dont think so
16:03<kodak>sorry :S
16:03<TCW>kodak, so... ask :)
16:04<kodak>"all of them" made me afraid, so i just find out what nvidia packages i have and upgrade them?
16:04<TCW>sort of... it is just a handful, so not that manny
16:04<kodak>give me a minute with man apt-get..
16:04<TCW>you know how to check the name of the packages?
16:05<TCW>I would never hold onne back from reading a manpage... so "beep" if you need further help :)
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16:09<kodak>TCW: i cant see a search function for apt-get, hints?
16:10<Thalheim>you use apt-cache
16:10<TCW>kodak, because there isn't one... at least I think so... :) it made me wonder why you wanted to read the manpage of apt-get... but... :)
16:10<Thalheim>like this:
16:10<TCW>Thalheim, nack
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16:11<TCW>Thalheim, I say apt-cache is not the answer to kodak current question, but go on... what command would you use?
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16:11<Thalheim>apt-cache search [package]* (like apache*)
16:12<TCW>Thalheim, and what would give hime that? :)
16:12<Thalheim>"<kodak> TCW: i cant see a search function for apt-get, hints?"
16:13<TCW>Thalheim, yeah... but I think he does not want to search for ALL available nvidia related packages, just the ones he has installed...
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16:13<TCW>kodak, dpkg -l|grep nvidia (as mentioned earlier)
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16:14<TCW><TCW> Thalheim, yeah... but I think he does not want to search for ALL available nvidia related packages, just the ones he has installed...
16:14<TCW>in case you did not get that
16:14<Thalheim>sorry about that disconnect
16:14<Thalheim>but do this instead then:
16:14<Thalheim>dpkg --get-selections | grep nvidia
16:14<dpkg>Thalheim: bugger all, i dunno
16:15<kodak>on it
16:15<Thalheim>that will show currently installed packages
16:16<TCW>Thalheim, I'd prefer just dpkg -l|grep <foo> but... everyone has its taste :)
16:16<Thalheim>I think you can find out where a package's files are installed to, like 'dpkg -L nvidia* > locations.txt'
16:16<kodak>right, now i know what dpkg is
16:16<TCW>kodak, and that would be? :)
16:17<kodak>the debian package manager for cli
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16:17<Thalheim>not just CLI
16:17<Thalheim>it has a GUI for X
16:17<kodak>so now i just go apt-get install [results from dpkg]
16:17<TCW>the backend... apt-get / aptitude / synaptic / software-center-whatever those are frontends
16:17<Thalheim>yes! that's exactly what you do
16:17<Thalheim>or "dpkg -i packagename"
16:17<TCW>kodak, nope... you miss something
16:18<kodak>a switch for backthingy
16:18<Thalheim>apt-get is better in my opinion because it doesn't output fill your screen with the output like aptitude does
16:18<Thalheim>but just my opinion
16:18<TCW>apt-get -t squeeze-backports install <package1> <package2> <package3> ...
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16:19<TCW>kodak, as written on the "instructions"-page of that backports-site you should have read a few minutes back with w3m ;)
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16:20<kodak>could i grep my way out of hand writing that all?
16:20<Thalheim>unless you write a bash script
16:20<Thalheim>that takes arguments
16:21<kodak>brb then (handwriting)
16:21<Thalheim>"./backports package1 package2 package3"
16:21<TCW>kodak, not an issue... if something is new to one, he may miss / forget such details fast... just get used to the kind of problem solving, it is all documented (ok, most of it *g*) so....
16:21<Thalheim>you DO have a copy/paste function, you know?
16:21<kodak>in cli?
16:21<kodak>i dont know
16:21<Thalheim>it's usually "right click"
16:21<Thalheim>if you're ssh'd
16:21<kodak>im not
16:22<TCW>screen has built-in copy'n'paste fnction, but gpm would do too
16:22<Thalheim>you're on the terminal itself?
16:22<TCW>Thalheim, his nvidia-blob-thingy is still broken...
16:22<Thalheim>there are packages that have copy/paste too, but you could always ssh from another computer and do the same
16:22<TCW>and... the other computer is occupied from his wife :)
16:22<nadir>you can do " lynx --dump > save.txt"
16:22<craigevil>ctrl+alt+v will also paste in terminal
16:23<kodak>ye :P
16:23<nadir>and theen grep through it
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16:23<TCW>craigevil, huh?
16:24<Thalheim>or nano and ctrl+w, works just the same
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16:24<TCW>kodak, but in this case... it is hust one very logical line... no need for pasting
16:24<kodak>so, is it normal that some packages are already "newest install"?
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16:26<TCW>kodak, pardon?
16:27<kodak>nothing is installing
16:27<kodak>its all "newest version" already
16:27<Thalheim>because those packages are installed already
16:27<TCW>kodak, backports is in sources.list and you did run apt-get update?
16:28<kodak>i did, but lemme double check
16:28<TCW>Thalheim, nack
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16:28<Thalheim>what exactly does nack mean?
16:29<kodak>ye, i did
16:29<TCW>kodak, and check e.g. "apt-cache policy nvidia-glx" if it has a backports as candidate (with a priority of 100)
16:30<kodak>the candidate listed is the same one, no details about backports though
16:32<TCW>paste sources.list please
16:35<kodak>TCW: 189934
16:36<TCW>kodak, apt-cache policy nvidia-glx|paste -b ... - as before
16:36<TCW>err... |pastebinit -b ...
16:37<kodak>TCW: 189935
16:38<TCW>kodak, apt-get update|pastebinit ... -
16:39*TCW scratches head
16:39<TCW>let me check something...
16:39<TCW>kodak, argh!
16:39<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
16:39<TCW>kodak, "non-free" is missing on that backports-line! :)
16:40<TCW>and contrib...
16:40<TCW>in sources.list
16:40<TCW>nvidia-blob is *all* in non-free and contrib, not in main
16:41<TCW>kodak, btw. you're swiss?
16:41<kodak>no, live here though
16:42<TCW>O_o because of the alps? ;)
16:42<kodak>189937 for apt-get update(189936 for non-free and ...37 for contrib)
16:42<kodak>because of stupidly expensive handmade watches :P
16:42<TCW>huh? :)
16:43<kodak>im a watchmaker, the watches i make cost from 200k$ to a rough million
16:43<TCW>oops :)
16:43<kodak>meh, its a job
16:43<TCW>an interesting one I guess :)
16:43<kodak>i like it, ye
16:43<TCW>kodak, anyway, check apt-cache policy again...
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16:44<TCW>kodak, and I guess *all* watches are analog and not some new tech transistor / microchip / quartz-stuff?
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16:45<TCW>Or are that just new-tech-watches mit gold and platinum casings with some stones and stuff? :)
16:45<kodak>those i make are mechanical ye, handmade unprecise and fault-prone
16:45<TCW>but cool as hell! :D
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16:46<kodak>google Girard-perregaux Jackpot, i made that one for example
16:46<kodak>apt-cache policy | grep nvidia, no?
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16:46<TCW>kodak, nope...
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16:47<TCW>kodak, try to remember what command does what and... why :)
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16:47<TCW>GN/Linux support is all about helping to understand and not copy'n'paste-howtos
16:47<TCW>GNU even
16:48<kodak>well, apt-cache policy is a huge list of policies, and grep gives me results depending on keywords i want to filter with
16:48<kodak>so the question is, whats the correct keyword, right?
16:48<TCW>apt-cache policy <package> shows what versions with what priorities from what sources are available...
16:49<TCW>and we are interested (for an example) about the versions available of the package nvidia-glx...
16:49<kodak>ah, right, so i need to open the policy to find the info i need ofc
16:49<kodak>not just list it
16:49<TCW>you could pick any nvidia package (see dpkg -l|grep nvidia)
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16:50<kodak>ye, there is now a newer version listed in version table
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16:50<TCW>kodak, so apt-cache policy <some nvidia package>|pastebinit ... bla
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16:50<TCW>I choose nvidia-glx as it is the shortes one to type :)
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16:51<TCW>great... so now back to that apt-get install thing... you remember?
16:51<kodak>so now i start the apt-get -t squeeze-backport <package1> <..2> etc
16:52<TCW>correct! :)
16:52<kodak>brb then
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16:53<TCW>I'd suggest now some copy'n'paste solution... but... it may take at least 2 minutes until you understand how copy'n'paste works on cli... no idea if your are faster typing the packagenames by hand ;)
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16:55<kodak>problem : are you sure my command is correct "apt-get -t squeeze-backport install nvidia-glx"?
16:55<blubberdiblub>backports instead of backport
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16:55<blubberdiblub>i guess
16:56<kodak>you are correct! thanks :P
16:56<TCW>ehm... yes :)
16:56<TCW>kodak, if in doubt, check it out... for example apt-cache policy earliere does print that too
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16:57<TCW>100 squeeze-backports/non-free amd64 Packages <- line 6 in your paste on
16:57<kodak>we need to remember to remove the old module from teh kernel, it told me
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16:58<TCW>kodak, all should be well after a reboot (at least module and drivers wise, yorg would still be borken I guess)
16:58<TCW>xorg even
16:58<kodak>gah, now there are dozens and dozens of nvidia packages, this might take a while...
16:59<TCW>esentially a reboot would not be necessary there... but makes it easier :)
16:59<kodak>when i backported the nvidia-glx there were tons of dependacies
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16:59<kodak>dependecies (getting tired.. *yawn*)
17:00<TCW>what kind of dependencies?
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17:00<TCW>what packages?
17:00<kodak>189941 <<--
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17:01<kodak>perhaps a grep 195.36 might help, instead of grep nvidia
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17:02<TCW>kodak, see the second colums? The version numbers? At least all that have 295.something are ok, those with 195.something still need an upgrade
17:02<kodak>ye, i figured(read up)
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17:03<kodak>one of them did nothing, the other is xconfig, the thing that screwed me in the first place, so i guess we skip that one
17:04<kodak>so, reboot?
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17:04<TCW>I guess nvidia-xconfig is just a tool, not really needed...
17:05<kodak>ye, exactly
17:05<TCW>kodak, yeas
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17:05<kodak>k, brb then
17:05<kodak>its sudo halt, right?
17:06<blubberdiblub>sudo reboot
17:06<TCW>you have sudo in ubuntu-fashion configured?
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17:06<TCW>as you are on a cli console, I'd suggest just ctrl-alt-del... but...
17:06<kodak>er no, i actually su'ed a while back, sorry
17:07<kodak>k, brb then
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17:09<kodak>TCW, yay
17:10<blitzed> god damn, it is 95F/35C INSIDE my apartment today
17:10<TCW>kodak, status?
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17:10<kodak>rebooted, inside xfce4
17:10<Thalheim>blitzed: how many servers you running in there exactly?!?
17:10<TCW>blitzed, in what area do you live? atumn not yet there?
17:10<TCW>autumn even
17:10<TCW>kodak, and?
17:11<kodak>and, not sure where to go from here
17:11<TCW>kodak, ehm... is everything looking ok or not?
17:11<blitzed>Thalheim I have a dekstop which is actually running a boxfan circulating air over it
17:12<kodak>ye, it is, not perfect yet, but atleast from here i can open up google :P
17:12<blitzed>TCW I am in Southern California
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17:12<blitzed>nice kodak, got WINE?
17:12<TCW>blitzed, what temp is outside?
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17:12<kodak>resolution is not correct for example, the window manager doesnt fill up the screen etc
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17:12<TCW>kodak, what is missing?
17:12<TCW>ah ok
17:13<kodak>and no sound, but im considering calling it a night for now, wife in bed already and, ye :P
17:13<blitzed>TCW dunno, probably silightly higher...also it does not help that the brutal sun heats up the dark flooring of the adjacent balcony
17:13<blitzed>kodak cool you got Debian goin =b
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17:14<TCW>kodak, check the xfce display config thing, newer nvidia-blobs should support randr to at least a basic degree so setting resolution should work with those gui-tools. If all fails, there is a nvidia tool for that and of course manually setting the resolution and stuff in xorg.conf
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17:14<kodak>ye, even though tcw helped me out alot with my nvidia problem, atleast i have it up!
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17:14<kodak>and dualbooting without problems etc
17:14<kodak>thanks tcw, for all your help
17:15<kodak>really apreciate
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17:15<TCW>you could make me a watch some day ;) but a nice men watch, not that (I guess female) ugly watch you showed earlier :p
17:16<kodak>its a HUGE thing
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17:16<TCW>was that not a watch for females?
17:17<TCW>On the other side... when I think about it, maybe royals would wear those watches too *scratches head*
17:17<Thalheim>question: how exactly are the debian installation images compiled? (including default packages)
17:18<TCW>kodak, yeah... for my taste it looks too... dunno... femaleish :)
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17:18<abrotman>Thalheim: compiled in what sense?
17:19<kodak> <<- here you can see the size of it
17:19<kodak>its HUGE, its like carrying a fridge on your hand
17:19<TCW>kodak, there are females with huge arms and hands so... :)
17:19<kodak>not that huge, unless you count east german discus throwing women
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17:19<kodak>offtopic >.<
17:20<kodak>gotta go, gn and thanks a million again tcw :P
17:20<TCW>kodak, hf :)
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17:20<Thalheim>abrotman: are the files manually put into an image, or is it a one-shot command to build images? (the installer itself as well) I was thinking of making a website where users can compile their own installation disc, with selected packages and architecture, in the long run.
17:20<Thalheim>not sure where to start
17:21<abrotman>Thalheim: /msg dpkg cdd
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17:30<blitzed>this harddrive is warming up now, even though I am running it outside fo the case under a fan...yeah I should run a cooler box, install Debian onto an SSD my dad gave to me
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17:32<blitzed>yeah, a hot day like this, makes me wish I had got a RaspberryPI so I could have a cool running internet terminal
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17:33<TCW>hmm... my two internal drives in that desktop here, right now at 25/26°C... and 12°C outside
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17:34<blitzed>TCW my old harddrive was old multiplatter tech...if I was still running that I coudl probably fry an egg on it today
17:34<TCW>but even in the hottest summer with 35°C outside and maybe 30°C inside, the drives never get hotter than 35°C... I should rethink the cooling for tjhose drives...
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17:35<TCW>blitzed, heat is death for hdds
17:35<TCW>taht was and will always be true I guess
17:36<TCW>but regardless of the tech used, the faster they spin, the hotter they are, so I doubt a fairly old drive from the 90ies of the last century (or even an older one) had serious heating issues.
17:37<TCW>the problem came back in the days from multiple discs cramped together in a box without any cooling (maybe apart from the small CPU fan)
17:37<blitzed>TCW yup, what I used to do is screw four harddrive mounting brackets on as legs, have it all outside the case with a fan on one it allowed airflow all around, and the brackets functioned as heatsink too.
17:38<TCW>blitzed, outside the case?
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17:38<blitzed>I ran a pair of drives outside a case like that for 5years, leechign XDCC packets 24/7 and the drives performed perfectly
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17:39<TCW>kinda dangerous if you shock them... done fairly easy when they are lying around without a steady environment (like a computer case)
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17:40<blitzed>TCW well the mounting brackets make a sturdy is not like people who run arrays of harddrive simply lying on their sides on top of their desk haha
17:40<TCW>were they mounted in anything?
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17:42<blitzed>TCW no I did not bother trying to fashion a case
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17:43<TCW>for 24/7 use... kinda not my style :)
17:44<blitzed>TCW yeah but ifya have plentiful desk space, does not matter if it is tucked away in the corner, drives next to it like a paperweight heh
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17:46<blitzed>TCW one computer ran extremely cool with the array of drives no longer inside...they need to build cases which are compartmentalized, so you have an independent cooling system for the drives, one duct with fans
17:46<fmagallanes>Hola, buenas tardes. Alguien me podria ayudar con un problema que tengo en el debian de mi lap? Es con respecto al entorno grafico, ocurre un kernel panic, pero en modo texto funciona bien, solo que por el momento solo puedo entrar en modo rescate
17:46<TCW>blitzed, you should know my desk is a handcrafted 3m x 0,60m area... LOTS of space and still not my style :)
17:46<blitzed>haha cool
17:46<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:47<blitzed>TCW you have cats or kids or something?
17:47<TCW>blitzed, nope
17:47<blitzed>TCW you jsut like a clean computer workbench then heh
17:47<TCW>but LOTS of stuff on the desk :)
17:47<blitzed>impossible for me, since I've also got Commodore 64 & 128
17:47<TCW>if you'd see my desk right now, you would revise that statement :D
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17:49<TCW>clean is a word I'd never use for my desk... maybe in the short period when I come to actually cleaning up the mess... but apart from that there is so much stuff on my desk I need the whole day...
17:49<TCW>mostly computer stuff
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17:53<TCW>Two widescreen TFTs (I think about rearranging all the stuff a bit so a third one does fit), printer, several hdds, several pens and "office" stuff, smoking stuff (tobacco, ashtray and all the stuff), some smaller parts in boxes and tubes. Not even room for the keyboard and mouse. But as they would be too high up for economical use, I have a huge slider under the desk for... additional mouse, keyboard and the cup of beverage :)
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18:12<blitzed>TCW cool, sounds like a nice setup
18:14<TCW>blitzed, at least a desk that fits my needs exactly... that's why I always handcraft my desks. You can not buy such a setup.
18:15<TCW>nice benefit of that thing... two people could lie down on it without breaking the desk *hint* :D
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18:19<blitzed>TCW right, if I owned my home, I would build in heaps of desktop space, even self-contained cooling =b
18:20<blitzed>TVW too much trouble to rip out wall mounted computer countertops and all when I have to move again
18:20<blitzed>TCW I will probably just buy some sawhorses, and slap an old door on top of them to extend my desktop space ha
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18:22<TCW>blitzed, I do not own this house, but a huge desk is important enough to built that piece always first when I move somewhere.
18:23<blitzed>TCW my cousin bought a new house which has an enormous kitchen with barstools and multi-level countertops...that woudl be fantastic for all my computers haha
18:25<TCW>no idea how long it would take to re-attach a pre-built handcrafted desk, but I guess an hour depending on the wall I guess. As I tend to built one from scratch when I move (happend two times yet) and getting bigger, more stable in the process :)
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18:27<jeep>blitzed: doors work awesome pull the door knob to run wires through
18:28<TCW>and it also depends on the stuff I find to built my constructions, as I am a big fan of recycling. :) The last desk was originally a kitchen-plate, the current one some sort of sitting furniture some sort of a huge wooden bank or something, with huuuge drawers under the sitting area...
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18:29<TCW>at least two drawers are still there, the third one was reconstructed to hold the plate for mouse and keyboard
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18:30<TCW>Just steel and wood used, no plastics at all :D
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18:39<helpguess>hello i need help
18:40<abrotman>so ask
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18:41<helpguess>erm regarding gcc
18:41<helpguess>i cant install any files
18:41<blitzed>TCW yeah my friend recycled wood flooring from old basketball courts and stuff to create nice desktop counterspace along entire walls of rooms, LAN party ready hehe
18:43<blitzed>helpguess hi, problem installing what files? you mean using package manager apt or synaptic?
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18:43<helpguess>unreal files
18:44<helpguess>i got no gcc
18:44<helpguess>it stop me from downloading any files
18:44<helpguess>is debian6 64bit
18:45<abrotman>helpguess: keep it in the channel
18:45<abrotman>helpguess: use to show us the error
18:45<helpguess>yes ok
18:46<TCW>At least I guess at least three people are active in the channel and noone understands what helpguess wants, am I right? :)
18:46<ompaul>helpguess: apt-get update && apt-get install build-essential that will install gcc for you and what you need
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18:46<ompaul>helpguess: must be run as root
18:46<ompaul>TCW: how about that ... ?
18:47<TCW>ompaul, I am just astonished :)
18:47<helpguess>ompaul after done installing apt-get update or apt-get install build-essential would be able to downloading any files?
18:47<Apollo>not or
18:47<ompaul>helpguess: it will install
18:47<abrotman>this is why a pastebin would have helped ..
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18:48<Apollo>I also think he doesn't know what "downloading" means
18:48<Apollo>nor installing
18:48<helpguess>okay command apet-get update ?
18:48<ompaul>apt-get update
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18:48<craigevil>wonders what gcc has to do with "downloading" anything
18:48<TCW>helpguess, what is your native language?
18:49<ompaul>craigevil: nothing
18:49<helpguess>ompaul i have done for apt-get update
18:49<ompaul>helpguess: apt-get install build-update
18:49<ompaul>helpguess: apt-get install build-essential
18:49<ompaul>helpguess: ^^^^ that one there
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18:51<helpguess>i have done for apt-get install build-essential any else?
18:52<ompaul>helpguess: you now have gcc
18:52<helpguess>so right now i can able to downloading any files?
18:52<ompaul>helpguess: to install other programs - you do not need to build them with gcc
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18:52<ompaul>helpguess: you can install them straight away - perhaps you should read something like this:
18:53<ompaul>(at a guess)
18:53<Apollo>I still dont know what he wants...
18:53<helpguess>malaysia debian
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18:54<TCW>helpguess, people who speak your language
18:54<ompaul>helpguess: yes
18:55<TCW>at least suposedly
18:55<ompaul>TCW: ok 80%
18:55<ompaul>of the time
18:55<TCW>ompaul, pardon me?
18:56<ompaul>there are some places where you don't want to go into the channel with your local "unfriendly usergroup"
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18:56<TCW>I still don't get it :)
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18:56<ompaul>maybe positive number is more like in the 90% range
18:57<ompaul>TCW: there are some channels that don't offer support but their names would indicate they should
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18:57<TCW>ompaul, and?
18:58<ompaul>I was suggesting the hit rate for good channels
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19:00<TCW>ah ok
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19:04<TCW>helpguess, as already mentioned, stay in the channel!
19:06<helpguess>yes :D
19:06<helpguess>here cannot have pm?
19:06<ompaul>helpguess: stay in channel failure to do so will get you ignored
19:07<ompaul>work in public, or not at all
19:09<TCW>helpguess, "private technical support" is something we do not like to do in general. We like the public approach, we like open standards as open politics (sort of) and... apart from ehr... other reasons why we dislike private messages here.
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19:10<helpguess>tcw u are right :)
19:10<helpguess>understood :D
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19:12<Guest7204> GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon:
19:12<Guest7204>but dbus is running
19:12<Guest7204>trying to setup a magnet link handler
19:14<Guest7204>how do i enable magnet links
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19:30<helpguess>Apparently you do not have both the openssl binary and openssl development libraries installed.
19:30<helpguess>how would i install this
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19:33<_Matt>Hi everyone.
19:33<Apollo>helpguess: apt-get install openssl openssl-dev
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19:38<abrotman>maybe ask what he's trying to compile ?
19:39<Apollo>abrotman: didnt we try that 5 times already
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19:42<helpguess>E: Unable to locate package openssl-dev
19:44<abrotman>helpguess: what are you trying to compile?
19:44<Apollo>helpguess: google, use it...
19:44<helpguess>yes i did still dont und LOl
19:45<Apollo>unreal the game?
19:45<helpguess>is this involve debian?
19:45<Apollo>unreal the irc daemon
19:46<Apollo>because with your current lack of basic understanding of linux I think its a bad idea to try running an irc server
19:47<Apollo>apt-get install libssl-dev
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19:49<helpguess>apollo what is libssl-dev
19:49<Apollo>the openssl development package
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19:50<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. The Debian Administrator's Handbook is also good. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>, <debian-handbook> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference).
19:50<abrotman>ugh ...
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19:51<Apollo>thx abrotman
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19:51<abrotman>not for you! for him!
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19:52<Apollo>was about to just ignore him
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19:52<Apollo>no kidding :p
19:56<helpguess>thanks aboudreault
19:56<helpguess>thanks abrotman
19:57<helpguess>and apollo
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21:05<abrotman>helpguess: stop
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21:08<Guest7204>how can i increase my resolution
21:09<Guest7204>im not used to whatever config wheezy uses, is it even xf86 anymore
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21:10<abrotman>Guest7204: nvidia card?
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21:11<Guest7204>let me look
21:11<Guest7204>intel 3000 iirc
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21:12<Guest7204>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
21:12<Guest7204> Subsystem: Dell Device 049a
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21:19<abrotman>Guest7204: did you install the 'xorg' package?
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21:33<abrotman>helpguess: please let me know when you've turned that off
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21:41<Guest7204>abrotman, i duno
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22:11<spendythrift>Does anyone know of a reliable program for monitoring hard drive health in a raid?
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22:12<abrotman>md or hw?
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22:35<dev>hey bros, whut up. i just upgraded to debian testing. now my usb is all skippy
22:35<dev>how do i fix this?
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22:52<root_732>dell sucks!!!
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23:01<any>root_732 why?
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23:03<root_732>anllways issue
23:04<root_732>nevr perfection
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---Logclosed Sun Sep 16 00:00:58 2012