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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-09-19

---Logopened Wed Sep 19 00:00:01 2012
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01:33<dmitry>help me pls to install flash player i have errors while installing
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01:33<dmitry>Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libnspr4
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01:35<jm_>try this page
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01:43<Ravious>morning everyone :)
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01:45<Ravious>im having an issue i hope someone might be able to help me out with.. I just installed and on boot, i get right after grub, the video mode changes and then the entire system hangs and output to the monitor is killed.. I've tried editing the grub to nomodeset but it dont seem to do any good. Anyone have any ideas of what i could try?
01:46<WhatYouSay>Good morning.
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01:53<jm_>Ravious: which card?
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01:53<Ravious>Radeon HD 5500 i think
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01:54<jm_>did you try editing /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf too?
01:55<Ravious>I don't know how to get to it when the system totally hangs.. revery mode does the same thing
01:56<jm_>well you could try blacklisting the module with blacklist=foo option
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01:56<Ravious>in grub?
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01:57<jm_>alternatively, using the "break" option should help too I guess
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01:58<Ravious>i'll try real quick
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02:00<Ravious>>.< well.. it didnt hang with break.. now its just scrolling unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 lol
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02:03<jm_>try using a different break option, like break=bottom or break=init
02:03<jm_>if that doesn't work go with the blacklist=foo option or simply use some live/install CD to edit the file
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02:09<Ravious>this poor pos.. its about time to send it to digital hell and build a new one >.<
02:09<Ravious>cd rom is foobar'd had to install from usb and manually mount the drive as /cdrom to even get it to install lol
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02:18<jemadux>when xfce 4.10 will on testing ?
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02:19<thinkerweb>hi, I wanted to use an on-screen keyboard, so I installed gok and started it, but I don't see a keyboard or anything
02:20<jm_>jemadux: not before wheezy is released
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02:23<jemadux>jm_: but when will be on sid ?
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02:24<jm_>jemadux: and after a while in testing too
02:25<jm_>thinkerweb: they have some usage videos here
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02:28<thinkerweb>jm_, thx, actually, I am gonna try matchbox instead first
02:28<mexx3000>good morning
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02:29<thinkerweb>jm_, cause I am using xfce, and when I tried to install gnome-accesibility package, it included tons of other programs that I don't need, and I think gok won't work by itself without the accessibility package
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02:30<mexx3000>anyone using asterisk from debian stable here? the security update from yesterday broke
02:31<thinkerweb>but I remember from a previous effort, that matchbox isn't so great, I forget why I didn't like it so much but I didn't
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02:38<thinkerweb>when I search for "on-screen keyboard" I only see two options, matchbox and gok, anyone know if there are other options, cause gok requires so many gnome packages, and matchbox doesn't have nice show hide functionality, you are forced to move it below windows, even minimizing is useless cause it doesn't register in the xfce application list or compiz's list so if you minimize it still running but gone off the desktop
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02:52<jm_>thinkerweb: xvkbd perhaps
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03:16<big>que mas askerosa me aburooh
03:16<jijijiji>jajajaja askerosaaa
03:16<jijijiji>k toka despues
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03:16<tuku>olas lllave
03:16<tuku>abla bn
03:17<big>oie cerdiitoh que tiienes ahora
03:17<jijijiji>ed fisica
03:17<jijijiji>igual que tu
03:17<big> a ti no te diigo sdtupido ¬¬
03:17<big>sino al tuku
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03:17<tuku>disica amii
03:17<tuku>a lo bn
03:17<big>k tirnrd mmvb
03:18<big>tienes mmv
03:18<big>educacion fisiics
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03:18<tuku>kien verga es ese de verde
03:18<big>yo tengo a ultima
03:18<jijijiji>no se
03:18<big>son los que se estan conectando
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03:20<tuku>valen verga
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03:20<jpinx>!ops big jijijiji tuku being morons
03:20<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jpinx complains about: big jijijiji tuku being morons
03:20<big>jajajajajajaja ¬¬
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03:21<ejaz>i want chat with some one
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03:59<hanna>onko suomalaisia
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04:00<babilen>hanna: Try #debian-fi or speak English in here. Thank you :)
04:00<hanna>i have used irc last time in 1995... ... ... ...and now try to learn it again...
04:00<hanna>sorry my bad english
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04:01<engla>hanna: welcome back to irc ;-)
04:01<spartan29>hello guys
04:01<Eryn_1983_FL>allright whats the app to get classnames for windows..
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04:01<babilen>hanna: No problem. But pelase note that this is a technical support channel for Debian users. Do you have a problem we can help you with or do you just want to chat? If the latter I would recommend a social channel such as #moocows or an entirely different network.
04:01<spartan29>okay...proper response.
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04:02<spartan29>okay so can i ask a question
04:02<engla>hanna: use /join
04:02<babilen>hanna: "/join #debian-fi"
04:02<babilen>spartan29: Sure
04:02<hanna>how to go there where people talk finnish
04:02<hanna>aa ok now i remember, thanks
04:03<spartan29>i installed kde today. and then installed xchat. however I can see a variety of servers in the starting window..couldn't guess what is that? (I was actually a WINDOWS DEVOTEE!!)
04:03<spartan29>what's this debian server?
04:03<spartan29>forgive me for sounding dumb
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04:04<babilen>spartan29: "This" debian server is / which is the official IRC network of the Debian project. ( It sounds as if you are not using Debian and therefore want a different channel. Which distribution do you use?
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04:05<spartan29>oh...i am a novice linux user..just started using linux (i.e. Ubuntu) when I got my job as an NGS analyst...but deb is an extension for a linux package..isn't it
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04:05<babilen>!tell spartan29 -about debian
04:05<babilen>!tell spartan29 -about ubuntuirc
04:06<spartan29>oh great...*scratching head*
04:06<spartan29>that's for the link bailen
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04:06<spartan29>sorry babilen*
04:06<babilen>spartan29: You want #ubuntu on as we only support Debian here, which is a different distribution than Ubuntu. Have a good day and enjoy your experience!
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04:08<spartan29>oh i have understood what debian is all about..I thoroughly appreciate it babilen
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04:42<thinkerweb>jm_, thx for xvkbd info
04:42<jm_>thinkerweb: no worries
04:43<thinkerweb>jm_, much better than matchbox
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04:43<jm_>thinkerweb: apt-cache search also found florence
04:44<thinkerweb>jm_, what was your search term, I used "on-screen keyboard"
04:44<thinkerweb>jm_, I can't find florence here
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04:45<jm_>thinkerweb: just "screen keyboard"
04:46<thinkerweb>jm_, cool. But I don't see florence
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04:46<jm_>thinkerweb: it's in backports only for squeeze§ion=all
04:47<thinkerweb>jm_, oh ok, cool. Actually, xvkbd works perfect, I am gonna stick with it
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04:52<peter1138>since i switched my squeeze system from vserver to lxc with bridging (since vserver is deprecated) i'm having issues with cpu load
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04:54<peter1138>everything is perfect after a system reboot but gradually the cpu starts waiting on something
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04:55<peter1138>it appears under top as SI load
04:56<peter1138>which i think is software interrupt
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05:17<peter1138>but i suppose noone else has heard of this issue ;(
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05:19<Maulkin>peter1138: If it's interrupts, you could have a look at powertop
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05:26<stefan877>hi, there is "export ARCH=arm" available for crosscompiling. is it possible to specify this for ARMv5 or ARM9EJS?
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06:27<thinkerweb>I wanna buy this item but I am worried about linux compatibility:
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06:34<no_gatez_fan>perhaps check a hcl
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07:20<sjefen6>How can I diable all screensaving and screen power saving features in debian testing?
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07:22<SiDz>anynone head about ra-guard? any plan for debian?
07:26<thinkerweb>xset -dpms; xset s off
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07:51<sjefen6>thinkerweb: for turning screensaver and screen power saving off?
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08:07<thinkerweb>sjefen6 yeah
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08:32<flaky>hi everybody
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08:33<michealPW>Up and running with Debian 6 (yay)
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08:37<sinestic>guys why in playonlinux image not found?i use furios iso
08:37<michealPW>How is everybody? :)
08:38<michealPW>What do you mean, image not found?
08:38<bluewater>is everybody here
08:38*bluewater looks for the nick everybody.. grins
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08:42<bluewater>sinestic: PlayOnLinux mainly relies on WineHQ project ,, not really a question for this # to my mind
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08:47<michealPW>I like PlayOnLinux.
08:48<michealPW>Makes managing a bunch of different Wine versions really easily
08:48<sinestic>how to mont iso
08:48<sinestic>in debian 6 squueze?
08:48<michealPW>mounting iso's you use the mount command.
08:49<sinestic>i am newbie
08:49<sinestic>help me please?
08:49<michealPW>Like this: sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /cdrom /path/to/your/image.iso
08:49<michealPW>sinestic: man mount
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08:49<sinestic>omg thks
08:49<sinestic>one command
08:49<sinestic>no program
08:49<sinestic>fast and easy xD
08:49<michealPW>-o is an object. For images you need to use the loop object to simulate the spinning disc, I guess (I'm not an expert LOL)
08:50<sinestic>mmm iso 5gb good this comand?
08:50<michealPW>sinestic: What do you mean? I don't understand the question
08:50<sinestic>iso are many many big
08:50<sinestic>it is a problem?
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08:52<michealPW>Oh, no, it's no problem at all ;)
08:52<sinestic>ok i mount
08:52<michealPW>Just think, a DVD is ~4gb and you can get dual-layer DVDs that are 8gb. A blu-ray can hold 16gb, I think.
08:52<sinestic>now i mount but where dir for paste in playonlinux?
08:53<michealPW>Well you can just mount it to your /cdrom dir. That's where cdroms naturally get mounted anyways
08:53<michealPW>wine should remap your /cdrom to a virtual drive, like D: or E:
08:53<michealPW>Automatically ^
08:54<sinestic>ah ok
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08:55<michealPW>sinestic: If it's not automatically mapped, you can open your Wine configuration and under Drives click "Autodetect" and then click "Apply"
08:56<sinestic>many luck for me xD
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09:01<sinestic>i mapped in wine autodetect but playonlinux not see dir
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09:23<sinestic>Usage: mount -V : print version
09:23<sinestic> mount -h : print this help
09:23<sinestic> mount : list mounted filesystems
09:23<sinestic> mount -l : idem, including volume labels
09:23<sinestic>So far the informational part. Next the mounting.
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09:24<sinestic>One can change the type of mount containing the directory dir:
09:24<sinestic> mount --make-shared dir
09:24<sinestic> mount --make-slave dir
09:24<sinestic> mount --make-private dir
09:24<sinestic> mount --make-unbindable dir
09:24<sinestic>One can change the type of all the mounts in a mount subtree
09:24<sinestic>containing the directory dir:
09:24<sinestic> mount --make-rshared dir
09:24<sinestic> mount --make-rslave dir
09:24<sinestic> mount --make-rprivate dir
09:24<sinestic> mount --make-runbindable dir
09:24<sinestic>A device can be given by name, say /dev/hda1 or /dev/cdrom,
09:24<sinestic>or by label, using -L label or by uuid, using -U uuid .
09:24<sinestic>Other options: [-nfFrsvw] [-o options] [-p passwdfd].
09:24<sinestic>For many more details, say man 8 mount .
09:24<sinestic> mount -h : print this help
09:24<sinestic> mount : list mounted filesystems
09:24<sinestic> mount -l : idem, including volume labels
09:24<sinestic>So far the informational part. Next the mounting.
09:24<sinestic>The command is `mount [-t fstype] something somewhere'.
09:24<sinestic>Details found in /etc/fstab may be omitted.
09:24<sinestic> mount -a [-t|-O] ... : mount all stuff from /etc/fstab
09:24<sinestic> mount device : mount device at the known place
09:24<sinestic> mount directory : mount known device here
09:24<sinestic> mount -t type dev dir : ordinary mount command
09:24<sinestic>Note that one does not really mount a device, one mounts
09:24<sinestic>a filesystem (of the given type) found on the device.
09:25<sinestic>One can also mount an already visible directory tree elsewhere:
09:25<sinestic> mount --bind olddir newdir
09:25<ansgar>!ops sinestic
09:25<sinestic>or move a subtree:
09:25<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ansgar complains about: sinestic
09:25<sinestic> mount --move olddir newdir
09:25<sinestic>One can change the type of mount containing the directory dir:
09:25<sinestic> mount --make-shared dir
09:25<abrotman>hi ..
09:25<sinestic> mount --make-slave dir
09:25<sinestic> mount --make-private dir
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09:25<sinestic> mount --make-unbindable dir
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09:25<abrotman>perlwizard: wtf .. call ops, don't be useless
09:26<perlwizard>like I know how to call ops, or who's op :P
09:26<perlwizard>(now I do, though)
09:26<abrotman>i realize you don't pay attention, but you've been coming around long enough
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09:39<michealPW>Setting up the keybindings for Compiz is annoying :(
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09:45<sinestic>this comand
09:45<planetmaker>learn about use of pastebin
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09:45<vimes>what command?
09:45<sinestic>wait i write
09:45<sinestic>mount -t iso9660 -o loop '/home/sinestic/Scaricati/rld-sim3.iso' '/home/sinestic/Montaggio'
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09:46<sinestic>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
09:46<sinestic>return this error
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09:48<michealPW>Does the order matter? Check man mount
09:49<sinestic>man mount good
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09:53<pera92hv> && tar xvzf buduscript_3762_2808.tar.gz -C $HOME/.xchat2 && rm -vf buduscript_3762_2808.tar.gz && cd $HOME/.xchat2/buduscript && ./
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09:55<pera92hv> && tar xvzf buduscript_3762_2808.tar.gz -C $HOME/.xchat2 && rm -vf buduscript_3762_2808.tar.gz && cd $HOME/.xchat2/buduscript && ./
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09:59<michealPW>What's buduscript?
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09:59<planetmaker>add a wget in front of the pasted command and see :-P
09:59<planetmaker>(no idea. Not sure I want to find out)
10:00<michealPW>it's a collection of scripts for XChat
10:00<michealPW>Nothing interested, really LOL
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10:03<planetmaker>I see... file sharing via irc. oh well
10:04<abrotman>you could just ignore the spam ...
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10:06<michealPW>Is anyone familiar with a good guide/tutorial/book on vi ?
10:06<michealPW>I want to use vi but everytime I try it picks on me and calls me names :(
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10:08<michealPW>Thx, perlwizard :)
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10:15<michealPW>What should I do when apt-get's asking for my Debian cd "in drive '/media/cdrom' and press enter" when I installed from a USB flash-drive?
10:15<michealPW>Weird, I've never had apt-get ask for a cd before :|
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10:16<michealPW>I wonder if I can fix it with a symlink..
10:16<VlanZ>sorry guys, i've messed up with the icon of "Konsole" now i only see a question mark as its icon
10:16<VlanZ>what should i do?
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10:18<babilen>michealPW: Just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and remove CD entries. If you need help/inspiration read "/msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list"
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10:18<michealPW>Thx, babilen
10:19<michealPW>I used a hackish workaround.. Mounted the usb key, deleted the /media/cdrom link and remade it to point to /dev/usb0 LOL
10:19<michealPW>Now I'll disable the cd-rom in sources.list good idea hehe
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10:22<michealPW>Ah I found it, thanks a lot babilen :)
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10:22<michealPW>Thats pretty cool... So that's how the Debian cd-collection works
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10:22<michealPW>You get all those cd images and set apt-get to search your CDs for packages. neato!
10:23<babilen>michealPW: You might want to read "man apt-cdrom", but I guess that you've understand the basics now.
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10:24<michealPW>I can't find this vimtutor :(
10:24<michealPW>Found manpages for it, though
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10:27<michealPW>Ah, I found vimtutor. I think it's in the vim-runtime package.
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10:28<michealPW>Ah sweet. It's in vim-runtime indeed :)
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10:38<grumph>can someone help me out with #photorec ?
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10:46<SynrG>grumph: you're confusing me. a hash-sign prefix on irc usually indicates an irc channel name ...
10:47<SynrG>grumph: or do you mean the photorec program provided by the teskdisk package?
10:47<SynrG>in any case, please state the nature of your actual problem and don't ask "someone" for help
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10:48<SynrG>it is the most effective way to get help
10:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:55<planetmaker>!smart questions
10:55<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
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11:00<grumph>synrG: yes i mean the program provided by testdisk
11:00<grumph>I can see the amount of data with the programma Disk /dev/sdc - 500 GB / 465 GiB (RO) - ATA WDC WD5000AAKS-6 but i can only recover 20 mb of the 465 GB
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11:18<stian>Does anyone know if there is a logical reason to why some webpages won't load? ieg
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11:20<planetmaker>stian, as we're dealing with computers, there's always a logical reason. The question is only whether someone knows ;-)
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11:20<planetmaker>and ... whether it's your network or setup or general. But I can rule out the latter
11:21<stian>true planetmaker.. true.. :P
11:21<daemonkeeper>Lots of algorithms include entropy and (pseudo) randomness contradicting your statement.
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11:21<SynrG>grumph: recovery is hit-or-miss once a disk starts to go bad. that may be all you'll ever manage.
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11:22<SynrG>grumph: sometimes you can get more if you pack ice around the drive
11:22<planetmaker>but as no-one knows your network and software setup and configuration yet, stian, we can at best guess what issue you have... (what is "not loading a website"? Time out? 404? ...?)
11:22<stian>... if i put it like this then, are there any plugins/codecs or something else missing?
11:23<planetmaker>you didn't even tell us which software (browser) you use or if it happens with all (which did you test?)
11:23<stian>if i browse to i only get the top and bottom banner..
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11:23<stian>using chromium
11:24<planetmaker>My web experience enhanced on certain pages like youtube after installed the forsaken flash from adobe
11:24<stian>tried with epiphany, just freezes
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11:48<grumph>synrG: There where MBR-problems & bad clusters. I 've got the disk after the owner tried to recover it by himself. Now i've got a empty NTFS-disk. I need to get the data from the partion before the empty one
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11:49<SynrG>grumph: you may need to reconstruct the partition table
11:49<SynrG>pack it in ice, image the whole drive, make a partition table on the image
11:49<SynrG>then try extracting what you can from the partially reconstruted image
11:51<SynrG>i am by *no* means a data recovery expert :/
11:51<SynrG>just reporting what other people have told me worked for them
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12:02<michealPW>vimtutor is neat :)
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12:09<grumph>i did deleted the mbr records with fdisk and rebuild my partitions
12:10<grumph>first the disk wasn't mounteable
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12:22<michealPW>I have bad luck with partition editors, grumph.
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12:23<grumph>i've have to go... try later some things out
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12:23<karan_>hello all
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12:31<michealPW>There we go
12:31<michealPW>Blur was preventing Compiz from starting properly.
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12:34<retrospectacus>hello again
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12:35<grusemil>working now with wifi only, the button keeps blinking
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12:35<grusemil>no problems with net though
12:36<grusemil>guesse I'm gonna put a stick over it
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12:36<retrospectacus>the wifi light blinks when you're using it? That sounds normal
12:36<grusemil>permanently I mean
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12:37<babilen>That's normal -- There might, however, be a way to disable the LED if it really gets on your nerves.
12:37<grusemil>maybe I'm gonna use backports as suggested by babilen
12:37<grusemil>speaking the devil
12:37<babilen>mua hua hua!
12:37<themill>no, devil is someone else
12:37<retrospectacus>not sure what you expected the light to do
12:38<grusemil>well it depends where the size and the location of the light
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12:40<grusemil>humm, disable it, could be an option
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12:47<jpinx>grusemil: black insulating tape ;)
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12:48<grusemil>lolz, some old things should never be forgotten
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12:51<babilen>On my box I can easily do "echo "0 off" > /proc/acpi/ibm/led", but that is a thinkpad and its ACPI module supports that. No idea what hardware grusemil is working on.
12:51*babilen plays blinkenlights
12:51<grusemil>what about this:
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12:53<babilen>grusemil: That might work
12:53<babilen>grusemil: Note the comment on iwlwifi
12:53<grusemil>hmm yes I noticed that
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12:57<grusemil>humm weird
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13:00<grusemil>worked but it blinked once
13:01<grusemil>looks like the lap is playing card tricks for a dog
13:02<TobiX>grusemil: If the LED is connected to the WiFi interface through the LED framework, you might be able to disconnect it...
13:02<babilen>grusemil: Wait, didn't you have an Atheros wifi adaptor?
13:02<grusemil>affirmative babilen
13:03<babilen>grusemil: You don't have to change module options for iwlwifi in that case -- ath9k might just have a similar setting though
13:05<grusemil>babilen: new kernel and firmware from backports ?
13:05<TobiX>grusemil: ath9k has a blink parameter
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13:10<TobiX>grusemil: For example, on my laptop I can do: echo phy0assoc > /sys/class/leds/phy0-led/trigger
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13:11<grusemil>Tobix: and that means waht exactly ?
13:11<TobiX>Which changes the LED from doing traffic blinking to indicating if the WiFi is connected or not
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13:12<grusemil>Well the blinking is gonne kinda I got used to it
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13:13<TobiX>grusemil: You can look into /sys/class/leds for LEDs which the led subsystem knows and "cat /sys/class/leds/phy0-led/trigger" to see how a specific LED is triggerd (if at all)
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13:16<grusemil>none ide-disk ACAD-online rfkill0 phy0rx phy0tx phy0assoc [phy0radio]
13:16<grusemil>I've no idea what this means
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13:18<grusemil>no file found on that command Tobix, but hey thanks
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13:21<grusemil>I'm gonna grab a cup of tea meanwhile, but guys what player do you use for big music libraries ?
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13:24<jpinx>grusemil: vlc
13:25<babilen>grusemil: Well, I can take a guess: 1. none == led is not monitoring anything 2. ACAD-online == no idea 3. rfkill0 == monitors if rfkill (hardware or software?) is active 4. phy0rx == wifi is receiving data (blink) 5. phy0tx == wifi is transmitting 6. phy0assoc == wifi is associated
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13:27<TobiX>babilen: Those names are very machine-dependant. ACAD-online is probably if a power connecter is attached... On my system that is called AC-online. I suppose those names come from the ACPI tables
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13:29<grusemil>babilen: u do like to confuse me dont you ?
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13:31<TobiX>grusemil: Those are things you would see in /sys/class/leds/*/trigger if you had them...
13:31<babilen>TobiX: That's most likely it, yeah. I was justing going by my gut feeling/educated guesses and ACAD just didn't ring a bell.
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13:33<babilen>grusemil: You can decide what you want the LED to signal/monitor -- TobiX mentioned the "echo phy0assoc > /sys/class/leds/phy0-led/trigger" as *one* example before. If you would that LED to monitor something different you would substitute phy0assoc in that command.
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13:33<babilen>grusemil: This is all not very important though.
13:33<grusemil>Well, Jpinx, vlc has some gap playback, at least my vers., so it's annoying
13:34<michealPW>I have had poor experiences with VLC.
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13:34<grusemil>Rythmbox is boring naming tracks one by one
13:34<michealPW>The stand-alone player is great but the library that web-browsers use as a plug-in is garbage.
13:34<grusemil>I guess I'll stick to foobar on whine
13:34<retrospectacus>me too, vlc is broken on my system. It doesn't quit. Every so often I have to run "killall -9 vlc" to free up RAM
13:35<retrospectacus>grusemil: naming tracks?
13:35<grusemil>cheers, babilen I almost feel unconfortable after all those explanation
13:36<grusemil>yes, for e.g, naming certain track's album
13:36<retrospectacus>grusemil: the way those /sys/ files work, is confusing. The behaviour of "cat" and "echo" is not as expected
13:36<grusemil>you can only do it one by one
13:36<retrospectacus>they aren't normal files, they a kind of interface into system control
13:36<michealPW>retrospectacus: What do you mean, "cat" and "echo" have unexpected behaviors?
13:37<retrospectacus>michealPW: well, echo phy0assoc > /sys/class/leds/phy0-led/trigger
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13:37<retrospectacus>then, echo /sys/class/leds/phy0-led/trigger
13:37<retrospectacus>will not say phy0assoc
13:37<retrospectacus>like a normal file would
13:37<TobiX>retrospectacus: Well, those are not files at all :)
13:37<retrospectacus>I know...
13:37<michealPW>Ah, I see. I don't think that's cat and echo but /sys/ objects themselves. Oh, maybe I read your statement wrong entirely..
13:38<retrospectacus>I'm saying to grusemil that it can be confusing
13:38<TobiX>All in /sys is virtual kernel stuff :)
13:38<michealPW>I think you were saying theh objects /sys/ behave unexpectedly ('cause they're not files, hehe)
13:38<michealPW>I read it wrong LOL
13:39<grusemil>hey guys let's not start a fight with no elected officials
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13:39<michealPW>Anyone read much about Plan 9 from Bell Labs? That operating system ("System 9") express' everything as a "file" in the filesystem that you can manipulate as if it were a file
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13:40<michealPW>Like you would expect you could do with Linux's /sys/, /proc/ and /dev/ paradigms only much more intuitive.
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13:41<daemonkeeper>This is off-topic here. That said, Plan9 has its own oddities, because "everything is a file" also creates problems.
13:41<michealPW>Yea I imagine it could!
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13:43<nyker>is it possible to install system-config-samba in debian squeeze
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13:44<michealPW>nyker: Try apt-cache search <package> and if you can find what you're looking for, try apt-cache showpkg <package> to show more information about the package you've found.
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13:46<michealPW>Speaking of Packages... What is with the lack of a Firefox package for Squeeze?
13:46<michealPW>I had to install it manually, pffft. Not cool at all!
13:47<retrospectacus>it's called iceweasel
13:47<michealPW>retrospectacus: Iceweasel is not compatible with the latest plugins/extensions...
13:47<retrospectacus>the name firefox (and the icon) was not distributable so we have iceweasel
13:47<babilen>!tell michealPW -about iceweasel
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13:47<retrospectacus>michealPW: it is, you just need a new version. What TobiX said.
13:47<grusemil>My guess is that u have to use backports ?
13:47<michealPW>They forked an old and ridiculous version of Firefox.. if you're going to fork why not fork the very latest and keept it up do date? :|
13:47<babilen>michealPW: If you want newer versions you can install them easily from backports (/msg dpkg bdo) or
13:48<michealPW>k thx, let me read your links.
13:48<retrospectacus>michealPW: what TobiX said
13:48<babilen>,v iceweasel
13:48<judd>Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.7esr-2~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.7esr-2; wheezy: 10.0.7esr-2; experimental: 15.0.1-1
13:48<babilen>michealPW: offers all FF release channels on top of that (release, beta, aurora)
13:49<retrospectacus>michealPW: it's not a "fork", it's an exact copy of every release, with a different icon and name
13:49<babilen>!tell michealPW about why iceweasel
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13:49<retrospectacus>totally compatible with extensions and whatnot
13:49<michealPW>I couldn't find it in any of the repos and when I went to they only had an ugly tarball, so I sucked-it-up and installed manually with the tarball.
13:49<TobiX>retrospectacus: Well, basically it is a fork, but a very small one...
13:49<retrospectacus>bad idea
13:49<retrospectacus>kind of, I guess
13:50<babilen>michealPW: Iceweasel *is* Firefox -- Read the factoid dpkg just sent you and the linked articles.
13:50<michealPW>retrospectacus: Granted I'm ignorant, but after installing and updating Debian 6.0.5 as distributed on the website, Iceweasel is NOT compatible with firefox extensions for Firefox v15.
13:50<michealPW>Dunno if you realize, but Mozilla breaks ABI CONSTANTLY with Firefox releases...
13:50<retrospectacus>iceweasel 5.0 yeah probably not
13:50<michealPW>Still reading your links, btw, don't mind me :P
13:50<babilen>michealPW: So install a newer version from or backports (which has 10)
13:50<babilen>michealPW: And stop whining -- You have all the information you need and stable releases are just that, stable. (as in "non-changing")
13:50<retrospectacus>I mean 3.5
13:51<michealPW>babilen: I wasn't complaining, I was asking an honest question.
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13:51<babilen>ok :)
13:51<babilen>!tell michealPW -about stable
13:51*babilen keeps you reading
13:52<grusemil>I know how that feels michealPW, well u all know in a certain way
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13:52*babilen recommends to everyone
13:52<retrospectacus>if you find yourself considering downloading tarballs to install something, you should come here for advice/alternatives
13:53<grusemil>no one reads instructions books in these days
13:54<michealPW>retro: Nah, Firefox 15.0.1 installed with all the plugins I wanted ;)
13:54<grusemil>they dont even know they're using linux on their blinkyphone
13:54<retrospectacus>then Iceweasel 15.0.1 would too
13:54<TobiX>grusemil: Yeah, totally, that's why I sunk money into the translation of the Debian Handbook...
13:55<michealPW>It's not difficult, it's just work I didn't want to do rofl. You just put most of Firefox in /usr/lib, symlink a bunch of it into /usr/share and /usr/bin and update your /usr/bin/www-browser symlink and viola.
13:55<retrospectacus>and be part of your system rather than some files you unpacked
13:55<michealPW>You're good to go. Add the GNOME menu items, add an icon for the menu items..
13:55<michealPW>Fire-up Firefox and set it as default
13:55<retrospectacus>it's just not "the debian way"
13:55<michealPW>LOL well I'm new to Debian. My way is the Firefox way.
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13:55<babilen>michealPW: yeah, so easy ... I would *strongly* recommend to use Debian's packages as they integrate well with the rest of the system and are kept up-to-date.
13:55<retrospectacus>you won't see anything in "dpkg -l " about firefox
13:56<michealPW>I wouldn't be using dpkg. Firefox can update itself..
13:56<michealPW>Should be fine, no?
13:56<michealPW>I didn't use dpkg to install it, I wouldn't trust dpkg to uninstall it HEEHEE!
13:56<retrospectacus>no idea
13:56<michealPW>That would be silly
13:56<michealPW>I didn't realize Iceweasel was kept up-to-date, is all.
13:56<babilen>michealPW: I have no idea -- It certainly doesn't integrate well with the rest of the system. I mean, sure, you can download, compile and update *everything* by hand, but why would you want to use a distribution?
13:57<michealPW>I opened my sources utility, checked all the repos that I could check and updated. Search for firefox and it wasn't there. Looked at Iceweasel and it still looked old (Like FF v3 old...) hah as I said I'm new to Debian, from Ubuntu so meh.
13:57<michealPW>I figured for --whatever reason-- the Debian repos didn't have Firefox.
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13:57<babilen>michealPW: It is just so much easier to install from appropriate official repositories as you can be sure that the packages have been tested and that they integrate well into a whole system. (e.g. java installation works without ugly symlinking, ...)
13:58<domenico>come andiamo
13:58<michealPW>babilen: When those official repositories are accessible and working, sure!
13:58<retrospectacus>hello domenico. English only here.
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13:58<babilen>michealPW: On top of that: You *really* shouldn't install anything into /usr/lib, but into /usr/local -- /usr/lib is *not* to be changed by the system administrator but only by the system.
13:59<michealPW>babilen: But you're speaking as though I ignored repos that had updated packages I wanted and went out of my own way to do it... That's not the case. Maybe you experience Debian guys know the history and know Iceweasel story well,but us new users don't. All we see is no firefox and no ability to GET firefox using apt-get... That's a problem *cough*
13:59<babilen>michealPW: They are -- See and for details.
13:59<retrospectacus>the debian wiki would have told you to go check though
13:59<michealPW>Why isn't there a simple link here on the system as it installs, you know? Why doesn't Iceweasel ITSELF explain all this? I opened Iceweasel.. I went to Iceweasel's (Help > About) and nothing relevant...
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14:00<michealPW>I goto Iceweasel man-page, again nothing relevant.. Nothing telling me I could get Firefox if I so choose..
14:00<michealPW>LOL you acting as though I ignore advice and got Firefox. I got firefox in the ABSENCE of advice/information.
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14:01<retrospectacus>fair enough, but you didn't seek advice in the documented resources like the wiki or this channel
14:01<TobiX>michealPW: You do realize that Debian stable is > 1.5 years old?
14:01<babilen>michealPW: Well, now you are here and are being given advice. Install it from or -- Almost *always* when you have to download a tar.gz you are doing something wrong and it would make sense to ask in here. :)
14:01<michealPW>TobiX: Yes and I like that it's... stable! Ubuntu is horribly unstable :(
14:01<michealPW>Everything is broken all over the place. Everything needs silly workarounds. Everything just works in Debian, it's so nice.
14:02<babilen>michealPW: Hope you enjoy it :)
14:02<michealPW>hehe babilen I do :)
14:03<domenico>come andiamo
14:03<michealPW>I kept a note of my ugly Firefox install. After I got my son from school I'll get rid of it and put in the latest Iceweasel :)
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14:04<babilen>michealPW: Hooray! Thanks for restoring peace in Debian-land ;)
14:05<michealPW>Wait a minute.. How can Mozilla decide that Debian can't use the Firefox logo but Ubuntu can?
14:05<michealPW>Or any other distro that includes Firefox by default (Or has a link to a script that will get/install it for you..)
14:06<babilen>michealPW: That would be the unchanged FF .. Read the articles linked in "/msg dpkg why icewasel"
14:06<TobiX>michealPW: In one sentence: If you want to use the Firefox branding, you have to get every patch to the source approved by the Mozilla Foundation
14:06<michealPW>Ah, I see.. Interesting. As far as I know, Ubuntu just provides an Extension for Firefox that changes things. Maybe that's how they get around it..
14:06<michealPW>They don't actually change Firefox they just provide an extension for it :|
14:06<michealPW>What is it that Debian is changing in Firefox, I wonder? :|
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14:07<babilen>michealPW: "apt-get source iceweasel" and take a look!
14:07<michealPW>Bah, no thx.
14:08<michealPW>I'm not diffing through a bunch of friggin' sources files :|
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14:08<babilen>michealPW: The patches should be pretty obvious -- I am just checking, but I have to download 133MB which is not yet done
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14:09<grusemil>41MB here
14:09<babilen>There we go ...
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14:09<babilen>grusemil: I am on sid (unstable) so I get a different version
14:09<michealPW>I'm reading those links, hopefully it gets at least briefly discussed (The changes)
14:09<retrospectacus>Mozilla's licensing on FF (the logo in particular) is too restrictive - FF cannot be in Debian according to the DFSG
14:10<michealPW>babilen: This may sound pathetic, but I couldn't find the Sid liveCD on That's why I went with this 6.0.4 :|
14:10<grusemil>You're Sid ? That explains it all!
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14:10<michealPW>retro: So it's not even a change, it's just a philosophical thing? Philosophically speaking, Debian doesn't agree with the restrive license and so that's why they refuse to use the brand/logo ?
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14:11<babilen>michealPW: There is no sid live cd -- If you want to use it you typically "upgrade" to it.
14:11<michealPW>Oh, hrmm. I guess that makes sense, babilen. You wouldn't want to depend on an unstable "liveCD" haha
14:11<michealPW>If your computer fails to boot, for example ^
14:11<babilen>grusemil: I am tracking sid on my laptop. I can assure you that I am, in fact, not a toy breaking kid.
14:12<retrospectacus>sid changes constantly and is *usually* somehow broken - there is no installer or liveCD for it
14:12<grusemil>ehehe, no offense ;)
14:12<babilen>michealPW: You might want to read
14:13<retrospectacus>looks like Debian has patched/improved FF a fair bit when making IW
14:13<michealPW>I'm pretty happy with this Stable system, honestly. I left Ubuntu to get away from that crazyness.
14:13<michealPW>Changing entire sub-systems just for the sake of changing them.. 'cause oh there's a new version of such-and-such!
14:13<retrospectacus>michealPW: yeah philosophical. Ubuntu doesn't care so much about freedom so they have firefox
14:14<michealPW>retro: Yea, they don't care so much about user-experiences either HEEHEE!
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14:14<michealPW>Sorry, couldn't resist the Ubuntu jab..
14:15<retrospectacus>haven't looked at it in the last few years but that's the kind of thing I hear
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14:16<michealPW>It just piss' me off how they're constantly changing everything.
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14:17<grusemil>babilen: dpkg-source -x iceweasel_3.5.16-17.dsc' failed
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14:18<babilen>grusemil: bad bad source package!
14:18<michealPW>I started using Ubuntu in 2007 and if I can remember, it was using ALSA. Then they switched to ESound (aRts on KDE) Then they switched to PulseAudio (Phonon on KDE).
14:18<michealPW>Then they sit around and complain that no big developers target their system. Gee, I wonder why :|
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14:18<retrospectacus>valve is, now. Please go to #debian-offtopic though, if you want to keep chatting
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14:34<grusemil>Error: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
14:34<grusemil>what that's suppose to mean ?
14:35<michealPW>I think it's saying that you're trying to install from a repository who's public key you haven't added to your keychain.
14:35<retrospectacus>means your computer doesn't trust that repository
14:36<babilen>grusemil: That means that you shouldn't use deb-multimedia -- What do you need it for?
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14:36<michealPW>You can use apt-key add <filename> to add a public key, they're usually named "public.gpg"
14:36<retrospectacus>install debian-multimedia-keyring, or remove that repo, or ignore the warning
14:36<grusemil>Some friend who know a lot from this I guess told me to add
14:36<retrospectacus>!tell grusemil about why not dmm
14:36<babilen>michealPW: dmm has a keyring package, which still doesn't change that a bunch of us wouldn't recommend using dmm
14:36<michealPW>You can redirect the output from wget, piping it directly to apt-key add if you use the "-" switch, like: wget <url> -o- | apt-key add -
14:37<michealPW>Oh, babilen. Iunno what dmm is LOL
14:37<retrospectacus>michealPW: apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring is fine, no need for that kind of operation
14:37<babilen>grusemil: What do you want to install from there? Debian Multimedia is generally considered to be harmful and should be avoided.
14:37<grusemil>that's odd
14:37<michealPW>debian-multimedia-keyring, that's a package with all deb's keys I guess?
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14:37<grusemil>I thought he would know about this a lot
14:38<retrospectacus>just the dmm key
14:38<michealPW>Oh I see
14:38<Pitxyoki>Or in other words: if you use debian-multimedia, refer to them to solve any future issues you may have on your computer.
14:38<Pitxyoki>Not the official debian channels.
14:38<michealPW>hehe Pitxyoki
14:38<babilen>grusemil: It used to be the only way some years back, but these days we just see way too many problems that are caused by people installing packages from there.
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14:39<babilen>grusemil: See and
14:39<grusemil>ah hmm
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14:40<babilen>Argh, just don't care. What do you want from there?
14:40<grusemil>some years back ? that might explains why he told me that
14:40<babilen>The *only* thing that I can think of is libdvdcss2 which can just be installed from directly (for decrypting DVDs)
14:40<retrospectacus>that is probably why my vlc is broken, actually
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14:41<grusemil>he told me to use it so I can use some files that aren't supported on debian
14:41<grusemil>I trusted so..
14:41<babilen>retrospectacus: Well, it's worth a try. Remove all those pesky dmm packages (aptitude purge '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))') and try again
14:41<retrospectacus>well yep. They are not supported here
14:41<Pitxyoki>retrospectacus, I can't close my VLC too.
14:41<Pitxyoki>I'm on testing.
14:42<retrospectacus>babilen: I'll write that down, thanks, but that computer is at home
14:42<Pitxyoki>It happens with any video, when it plays until the end and most frequently when it's on fullscreen.
14:42<babilen>grusemil: Just ask here when you run into such a problem. I would be quite surprised if vlc or the vlc version in squeeze-backports has problems with anything.
14:42<Pitxyoki>Not sure if there's a bug submitted for that yet.
14:42<Pitxyoki>If not... Go, go, go!
14:42<babilen>retrospectacus: "/msg dpkg dmm list"
14:42<retrospectacus>got it
14:43*babilen just used vlc without problems (on sid)
14:43<retrospectacus>Pitxyoki: try the purge thing babilen said, then install vlc from testing/main and see if it still happens
14:43<Pitxyoki>babilen, it doesn't happen all the times.
14:43<Pitxyoki>hm? I don't have anything from dmm.
14:43<babilen>Pitxyoki: It did *never* happen to me
14:44<retrospectacus>no? then maybe there is/should be a bug
14:44<Pitxyoki>Try harder.
14:44*babilen tries harder
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14:44<babilen>,v vlc
14:44<judd>Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2.0.3-2; wheezy: 2.0.3-2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.1-0.6; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.1-dmo1
14:45<babilen>Pitxyoki: Could you point me at a movie/whatev with which you experience that problem? Does it happen independently of the desktop environment/window manager -- Which version of vlc do you use?
14:45<babilen>Ah, you're on testing.
14:46<babilen>We should probably have this discussion in #debian-next then :)
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14:46<grusemil>Ah I corrected already sources, shame no gain :)
14:47<Pitxyoki>And probably in an hour or to, as I'm off to diner in a while.
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16:45<mitia>hi. I've followed the wiki to install the nvidia dkms driver in wheeze on my laptop which is provided with 2 gpu
16:45<mitia>and I think something has gone wrong. how to check if the driver are correctly installed?
16:45<mitia>here it is the related information contained in /var/log/Xorg.0.log:
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16:46<babilen>mitia: Which part of the wiki did you follow? You essentially want to do "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" -- Could you paste the output of "aptitude search ~i~nnvidia" and "glxinfo |grep -iE "render(er|ing)"" to ?
16:46<babilen>Oh, and lets take this to #debian-next
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16:46<babilen>mitia: Err, make that "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy"
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16:48<babilen>mitia: Oh, and please also provide "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" :) (on !!)
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16:49*babilen kindlt asks mitia to use or or
16:50<babilen>You are currently using the Intel GPU (without a problem)
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16:51<mitia>but if I try the command optirun glxgear the computer freeze
16:51<babilen>sorry, afk (tel)
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16:58<grusemil>anyone tried deadbeef on deb ?
16:58<grusemil>the lastest release I mean
16:58<michealPW>I've finally made it through all those links, babilen.
16:58<michealPW>What...a... .soap opera.
16:59<michealPW>I didn't even know Firefox and the logo was trademarked :|
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17:00<michealPW>The guy from Mozilla said that Ubuntu is violating the trademark, too. Not sure if there was any kind of follow-up to that. Knowing Ubuntu they probably pay for a license exception? Iunno.
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17:00<grusemil>you mean gobuntu ? possibly
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17:01<grusemil>too off-topic I'm afraid
17:01<michealPW>No I mean the Mozilla Foundation vs Debian dispute over Firefox branding.
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17:02<michealPW>It's interesting to read through the mailing-list heehee
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17:02<retrospectacus>take it to -offtopic
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17:04<grusemil>seems to me that there are other disputes more important like de-multimedia
17:04<michealPW>iunno anything about dmm to help, sorry.
17:04<grusemil>Thing is
17:04<michealPW>What's the problem, by the way?
17:04<grusemil>Some people use it and say its fine others don't
17:04<grusemil>So what a choice ?
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17:05<michealPW>Well it's the bugs that are easily reproduced that are easily fixed heehee...
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17:06<grusemil>So if there no need of dmm and we *should* not use it, why it exist in the first place
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17:08<michealPW>For further development/testing, perhaps?
17:08<michealPW>maybe one day they'd LIKE to provide it but they feel it's just not yet ready?
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17:08<grusemil>I don't think so, but mine opinion is a minority
17:09<michealPW>haha well I'm only guessing. I honestly do not even know what's in the dmm repos.
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17:09<grusemil>for testing you have ppl using other debian vers.
17:09<michealPW>I haven't put in any codecs yet, is that what your problem is? Does the dmm repo have all the codecs or something?
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17:10<grusemil>yeah, thats what being told me
17:10<michealPW>Hrmm. Isn't gstreamer enough?
17:10<michealPW>What codec in particular are you looking for?
17:11<grusemil>you missing the point
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17:11<michealPW>I have a habit of missing the points :|
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17:13<grusemil>If you have sid, weezy, backports etc why is dmm uptodate ?
17:13<grusemil>Why we *musn't* use it ?
17:14<heikkila>the dvd decryption has some legal issues, and once I involved the dmm into my system I just got a mess I couldn't untangle
17:14<grusemil>off what ?
17:14<michealPW>Well I'm sure there's a reason but I dunno. Debian packages are organized in a particular way. Seems to have a lot to do with legalities (Copyright and Trademarks)
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17:14<grusemil>Apollo explain please
17:14<michealPW>What is off-topic?
17:15<Apollo>the entire dmm discussion
17:15<Apollo>this is a helpchannel
17:15<babilen>grusemil: dmm is not an official repository and packages in there aren't tested to work well with those in the official ones.
17:15<michealPW>Everytime anything is said you people say it's off-topic. First I was talking about Debian not including Firefox and way... Now we're talking about Debian-multi-media and still it's off-topic?
17:15<grusemil>see ? here's the dispute
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17:15<Apollo>if you want to discuss the intricities of a repo, take it to #debian-offtopic
17:16<michealPW>Alright, but I think grusemil is asking for help...
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17:16<michealPW>.. just saying, is all :)
17:16<grusemil>Apollo are you some kind of authority here ?
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17:16<Apollo>grusemil: I am not, but I actually read the topic
17:17<babilen>I think that discussions about repositories and their merits are well within the scope of this channel. In particular as long as they pertain to actual problems
17:17<michealPW>I don't want to argue and make an issue, was just saying. I'll be quiet.
17:17<babilen>Lengthy meta-discussion should, however, be moved to #d-ot -- But what is the actual probem?
17:18<Apollo>there is no problem babilen
17:18<babilen>Ah, wonderful :)
17:18<grusemil>Apollo you're speaking by others ?
17:18<Apollo>it went: wow that firefox discusion is funny –> dmm is more important
17:18<grusemil>thats kind of arrogance
17:18<Apollo>grusemil: yes I am
17:19<grusemil>not to say stupidty
17:19<Apollo>now seriosuly
17:19<Apollo>take it to the other channel
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17:20<grusemil>now, where were we ? ah, why is not official ?
17:21<grusemil>so skype isn't microsoft ?
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17:21<grusemil>why we have a version for deb of it ?
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17:21<babilen>grusemil, michealPW: To make it perfectly clear: The discussion you just had in here is not really on-topic in here and I would very much recommend to take it to #debian-offtopic. DMM is an unofficial repository maintained by a single Debian Developer. It used to be the only way to install a couple of codecs that couldn't be included in Debian due to legal reasons. This situations has changed and the packages are known to break multimedia ...
17:21<babilen>... setups. I would recommend nnot to use it.
17:22<Apollo>thank you babilen
17:22<Apollo>grusemil: happy now?
17:22<Apollo>also: calling other people stupid is arogant, child-like, and very ad hominem
17:23<babilen>Lets just drop it, OK? There is no need to continue this or getting irate about it.
17:23<grusemil>!ignore Apollo
17:23*dpkg sticks his fingers in his ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Apollo"
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17:24<mitia>babilen, can I ask you again help for my nvidia configuration problem?
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17:25<retrospectacus>just ask the channel. Maybe someone can help you, maybe it's babilen
17:25<michealPW>babilen: Thx for the info
17:25<grusemil>or maybe its Apollo giving exlusive elusions
17:25<babilen>grusemil: If you have a problem then explain what exactly it is. It should be perfectly clear by now that you shouldn't use DMM, but if you need specific codecs or software then let me know. Please also refrain from insinuating that people are stupid as this is just bad for the athmosphere in here.
17:25<mitia>I've tried to run nvidia-xconfig from shell. then, restarting the X i received the message: (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
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17:26<babilen>mitia: Unfortunately I would have to read a lot about bumbleblee and the current state of optimus support these days. If you want to use the NVIDA card you might want to try to disable the intel one in the BIOS. But before that: Show me "dpkg -l|grep nvidia" on again please. Which method did you use to install the drivers?
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17:27<grusemil>thats kinda sad this is supposed to be a community
17:27<mitia>retrospectacus: thank you, I just started speaking wit babilen some row above. you (and others) can read the exposition of my problem there :)
17:27<Apollo>mitia: did you follow
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17:27<michealPW>grusemil: Some GNU/Linux communities are pretty ridiculous. I got banned from #ubuntu because apparently I use "LOL" too much :|
17:28<retrospectacus>mitia: I noticed also you were told to take it to #debian-next where testing is supported
17:28<michealPW>haha I was in the middle of helping somebody and an op took my voice away LOL
17:28<grusemil>be careful for Apollo is watching you
17:28<retrospectacus>michealPW: /msg dpkg lol
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17:28<mitia>babilen, here it is:
17:28<Apollo>grusemil: ffs dude, fuck off
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17:28<grusemil>see ?
17:28<michealPW>haha retro
17:29<babilen>mitia: Could you be so kind to use another pastebin than in the future ? for example?
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17:29<babilen>Apollo: Relax please and please do not insult people.
17:29<retrospectacus>yeah mitia stop using - we tend not to click it
17:29<abrotman>says you ...
17:29<grusemil>You were pretty damn confortable on you chair Apollo and suddenly you decide take my words, first class
17:29<retrospectacus>mitia: /msg dpkg
17:29<mitia>I've been used the DKMS method indicated in the wiki mentioned by Apollo
17:29<abrotman>grusemil: please use /ignore
17:29<Apollo>babilen: I dont appreciate getting hilighted to get insulted
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17:30<grusemil>thx abrotman
17:30<babilen>grusemil: If you have a problem you need help with let us know. There is absolutely no need to get personal. (consider this to be a warning)
17:30<mitia>retrospectacus, ops. I'll move there :)
17:30<michealPW>babilen: What happened to
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17:30<Apollo>mitia: did you reboot already?
17:30<babilen>mitia: You used something along the lines of "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" ?
17:30<babilen>michealPW: I hate it -- See "/msg dpkg" for reasons why
17:31<babilen>So, lets get back to support.
17:32<babilen>mitia: Did you create a configuration file for NVIDIA in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ as indicated in the factoid?
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17:33<grusemil>So, skype isn't official can I have system problems due to it ?
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17:34<mitia>babilen, ehm, I think no
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17:35<babilen>grusemil: Skype packages are a bit special, but I haven't seen them causing havoc. Please refer to for further inforamtion
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17:38<babilen>mitia: Ok, in that case I would recommend to run the following command: mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf"
17:38<babilen>mitia: Do you use a /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? Could you paste it if you do?
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17:40<mitia>no, I'm not using xorg.conf
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17:41<mitia>I've created the xorg.con with nvidia-xconfig but in that manner x didn't start due to the module nvidia not found
17:41<babilen>mitia: Ok, in that case create a config with the command I've given above and reboot. I have to stress the fact that I have no experience with bumbleblee or Optimus though. (I intentionally didn't buy that hardware)
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17:42<mitia>I' have to change "My GPU" with the actual name of the device?
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17:42<retrospectacus>the name doesn't matter
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17:43<mitia>see you in few minutes (I hope)
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17:44<babilen>.oO( I could have checked if the module was actually compiled correctly)
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17:48<mitia>babilen, no way. still module nvidia not found
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17:48<abrotman>does it actually exist anywhere?
17:49<babilen>mitia: Hehe .. Could you run "aptitude reinstall nvidia-kernel-dkms" and show us the output on ?
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17:51<abrotman>what about a find / -name nvidia.ko ?
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17:51<babilen>mitia: didn't we talk about already?
17:52*abrotman clicks anyway!
17:52*retrospectacus doesn't
17:52<abrotman>says the module was active
17:53<babilen>Well, that looks fine. Could you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to (to ) -- did I mention ? !
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17:55<mitia>babilen, if you don't mind I paste the output in
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17:55<babilen>mitia: No, I really don't mind if you use ;)
17:56<mitia>(slowly but I learn!) :)
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17:56<michealPW><babilen> mitia: No, I really don't mind if you use ;)
17:56<michealPW>That's got to be the quote of the day :)
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17:57<babilen>mitia: Hmm, are you sure that you have that configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ?
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17:57*abrotman is confused about all the intel stuff in there
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17:58<abrotman>am i reading the wrong paste?
17:58<michealPW>Oh, in THERE
17:58<abrotman>you know, a -r, and that's a homonym for eating paste ...
17:58<babilen>abrotman: It's an Optimus Intel/Nvidia system -- With a nvidia configuration file (as per "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy") in place
17:59<michealPW>That looks like dmesg, not xorg.conf
17:59<abrotman>babilen: but Xorg doesn't seem to be trying to use it at all ?
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17:59<abrotman>michealPW: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
17:59<michealPW>My bad
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17:59<abrotman>babilen: the bumblebee stuff ?
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17:59<babilen>I have to confess that I have no experience with Optimus ... Yeah, the bumblebee stuff. Do you know that?
17:59<abrotman>does it involve nvidia nonsense? :)
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18:00<abrotman>then not a darn chance
18:00*abrotman hugs his intel chips
18:00<michealPW>I've never experienced nVidia on Linux yet.
18:00<mitia>babilen, I've removed the conf file because otherwise the x didn't start
18:00<babilen>mitia: Please confirm that you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf and also report on using optirun now
18:01<mitia>now I've created it again
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18:01<babilen>mitia: Hah! That is a *very* important piece of information. I'd like to see the log for the nvidia card -- But isn't the normal thing to run the system on intel and only use nvidia for certain things (with optirun)?
18:02<babilen>mitia: It might also be possible to disable the intel card in your box in the BIOS. But please try optirun first ... The driver for nvidia has been installed, but I am just not familiar with the bumblebee setup.
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18:02<mitia>babilen, yes, this is the normal way
18:03<babilen>so, try it?
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18:03<mitia>I can't disable the intel gpu in the bios, options are "restricted" by Sony
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18:04<michealPW>awesome Sony
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18:04<babilen>Do you actually have problems with the intel one or is it just that you are sad that you don't use the nvidia card even though it eats power?
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18:24<retrospectacus>mitia: you have nvidia-kernel-dkms installed successfully?
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18:26<mitia>retrospectacus, yes, it is installed
18:28<mitia>retrospectacus: following the babilen suggestions, I've just reinstalled it. the output is posted here:
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18:29<michealPW>Oh my god
18:29<michealPW>"Bumblebee is an effort to make NVIDIA Optimus enabled laptops work in GNU/Linux systems. Such feature involves two graphics cards with two different power consumption profiles plugged in a layered way sharing a single framebuffer." THAT's what you're trying to get working? :|
18:29<michealPW>*feels sorry for mitia*
18:30<retrospectacus>yeah I have no experience with that intel/nvidia but that looks OK
18:30<babilen>Ah, mitia is back.
18:31<mitia>michealPW, thanks for your moral support. this is exactly what we are trying to do :S
18:31<mitia>babilen, here I'm ;)
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18:32<babilen>mitia: Can you use optirun now? I am awefully sorry, but I have to leave soon. My intuition right now is that the nvidia module can't be loaded because intel is preferred. (KMS et al) -- Software such as bumblebee (and the other forks) promise to work, so it might make sense to try the other as well.
18:33<babilen>mitia: And yeah, Optimus support on Linux is still in its infancy and NVIDIA does not really help with that. I read the other day that a new version of Xorg includes "better handling of optimus", but I still have to see that.
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18:34<michealPW>Have you checked this Arch Linux guide on Bumblebee? It's not Debian but it might be helpful?
18:34<babilen>mitia: I talked about this hardware with some people in different channels before I bought my computer and the general consensus was: Don't buy it. That was some time go, however.
18:34<babilen>mitia: Could you try optirun? I am really not sure what you need to do to get it run though.
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18:35<mitia>babilen, I thank you (and all the others) for the help I've received up to now. I'll leave soon too. If it can help I can leave you my email address, just for updates. or maybe we will meet again in this (or in debian-next) room
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18:35<mitia>babilen, yes bumblebee is very immature. and nvidia sucks
18:35<babilen>mitia: sure -- is this btw? or one of the "other" bumblebee's?
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18:36<mitia>babilen, what does btw means?
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18:37<themill>it means that there were plenty of other bumblebee projects around before they stole that name
18:37<mitia>ah ok
18:37<michealPW>mitia: Have you checked ?
18:37<michealPW>For anything you might have missed?
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18:38<mitia>I followed this:
18:38<michealPW>Wait, the link babilen posted it right
18:38<michealPW>That's the project and it has a big installation section, maybe some useful information?
18:39<babilen>mitia: btw == by the way, ... There are (at least to my knowledge): (looks unmaintained) in addition to the original bumblebee and the one I mentioned before
18:39<michealPW>Oh.. Well's Installation notes for Debian just link to the Debian Wiki which I linked above haha.
18:40<mitia>yeap :)
18:40<michealPW>These guides don't link to specific versions, that's bad.
18:41<michealPW>They should explicitly list the versrions of each package they installed but it doesn't. Who knows. I don't have any of this hardware so I can't be of much help except to try and point you, mitia.
18:41<babilen>mitia: So you installed some random Debian package from somewhere. Hmm, I would clarify in #bumblebee on what they reckon is the best way. It might also make sense to actually stick to the instructions in (officially endorsed by
18:42<mitia>I'll try to compile the sources following the debian's wiki, after removing of current bumblebee packages
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18:42<babilen>mitia: Which version of Debian do you use?
18:42<michealPW>Yea, do as babilen says. Probably your best bet. Clean out all the crap you've tried so far and try to start from scratch.. With sources, if you can.
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18:43<mitia>babilen, I'm using wheezy (unable to make the wireless working on squeeze)
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18:43<michealPW>Sounds like it's a really tough problem. As I read a little, I'm not sure how these guys manage to get the nvidia and intel drivers to work together nicely and not boil down into a silly race condition heehee
18:43<babilen>mitia: Sure, just checking.
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18:45<babilen>michealPW: It is quite an interesting setup that is unfortunately *really* hard to support in Linux. Discussion of it is also outside the scope of this channel (→ #debian-offtopic / #nvidia / #bumblebee maybe) ...
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18:45<michealPW>I love technology, it's hard not to comment ;)
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18:47<mitia>for the moment, my last try starting an application (i.e. darktable) with optirun to use the nvidia card
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18:48<mitia>it probably will freeze my laptop. therefore, I say thank you and good night to everyone
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18:48<michealPW>Good night ;)
18:48<babilen>mitia: Good luck and a good night :)
18:48<mitia>tomorrow i'll try to compile from surces and i'll write you the results
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18:49<michealPW>Good luck :)
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19:38<Samkov>I installed debian squeeze xfce on my netbook, I wanted to use it for school and ebooks and whatnot and now every time i boot it up PDF Viewer autostarts and I never configured it to do this
19:38<Samkov>I have even uninstalled it and deleted any extra folders in ~ associated with the program and it still boots up (yes I have reinstalled it)
19:38<daemonkeeper>Close it before logging out?
19:38<Samkov>yep, every time
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19:40<Samkov>and I am not saving my debian session either, I unchecked the box when I go to shut it down
19:40<daemonkeeper>So save it.
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19:40<daemonkeeper>No, really. If you don't save your session you boot into the last saved session including the started PDF viewer.
19:41<Samkov>i didnt even realize tht
19:41<Samkov>where are sessions saved to?
19:41<michealPW>haha daemonkeeper. That's the complete opposite behavior I would expect!
19:41<michealPW>I would have thought the same as Samkov (blushes)
19:41<daemonkeeper>Why do you care? Stop programs, save the session, reboot, be happy for all time.
19:42<themill>I don't know any program that destroys data on disk when you exit it without saving...
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19:42<michealPW>themill: Quite the contrary. If a program you were using last time starts up... Quite obviously your session WAS saved :|
19:42<michealPW>I mean, how else could it have known you were using that program last unless you hibernated?
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19:43<michealPW>rhetorical question, obviously ^^
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19:44<Samkov>hey tht worked perfect daemonkeeper
19:44<themill>michealPW: it is restoring the last saved session. Unless you choose to overwrite that saved session, it will still be the last saved session.
19:45<michealPW>Ah, makes sense when you think of it that way I suppose.
19:46<michealPW>LOL us newbies get stuck on these kinds of behaviours (blush)
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19:46<michealPW>Until they're explained.
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20:48<burroSoy>help me anyone, please?
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20:50<debdog>on what topic?
20:50<burroSoy>web test with apache
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20:52<abrotman>have you looked 'ab' ?
20:56<burroSoy>help any?
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20:57<rodyduterte->good morning. i was able to install php+mysql+apache.i can open http://localhost/info.php.but http://localhost/phpmyadmin it says The requested URL /phpmyadmin was not found on this server. i restarted my box but still the same.any thoughts?thanks
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22:31<siddy>how do I use kernel 3.5.x>?
22:32<siddy>enable experimental?
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22:34<sney>siddy: you can use the experimental kernel on sid and possibly wheezy, but if you want it on squeeze you'll need to build it yourself.
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22:38<siddy>I was looking at installing wheezy and upgrading to kernel 3.5.... I looked at the wiki... if it's right, I think I know how to do it :)
22:38<siddy>I can only install wheezy?
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22:38<siddy>if I want to go from wheezy -> sid?
22:39<sney>read the
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23:07<retrospectacus>rodyduterte-: did you install phpmyadmin? If so did you choose to automatically configure apache2 ?
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23:17<rodyduterte->retrospectacus: yes with this tutorial..
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23:20<rodyduterte->retrospectacus: even http://localhost/phpmyadmin/setup/index.php The requested URL /phpmyadmin/setup/index.php was not found on this server.
23:23<retrospectacus>do you have this file /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf and restarted apache?
23:26<rodyduterte->just charset javascript-common.conf localized-error-pages other-vhosts-access-log security
23:26<rodyduterte->retrospectacus : files there are : charset javascript-common.conf localized-error-pages other-vhosts-access-log security
23:26<retrospectacus>run "dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin" and press spacebar to choose apache2 to automatically configure
23:27<rodyduterte->restrospectacus : thanks :) perfect
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23:28<retrospectacus>have fun :)
23:29<rodyduterte->retrospectacus: thanks :) practicing virtualization and installing wordpress
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23:35<rodyduterte->retrospectacus> i tried to login in phpmyadmin: admin pass:mypass it says "#1045 Cannot log in to the MySQL server" .when i do "mysql -uroot" the reply is "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)"
23:36<retrospectacus>to use a password do: mysql -uroot -p
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23:41<rodyduterte-><retrospectacus>perfect i just need to restart mysql and apacha
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23:41<rodyduterte-><retrospectacus> thanks :) now im ready for a wordpress
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