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---Logopened Thu Sep 27 00:00:04 2012
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00:00<kingsley>That might create a file with inode number "2".
00:00<kingsley>$ ln file1 file2
00:00<kingsley>That should link file2 to file1.
00:00<kingsley>Imagine these are backed up.
00:00<kingsley>Maybe file2 is backed up as a link to inode "2".
00:00<kingsley>Imagine further a hard drive fails, and it is necessary to restore all files.
00:01<kingsley>If the restore process happens to recreate file1 with a new inode number, say "3", then I'm concerned restore will be unable to link file2 to inode "2" because it doesn't exist, or even belongs to a different file.
00:01<rjsalts>if the backup software stores the inode metadata then it's just a case of restoring one copy and calling "link" as you say, not all backup software is able to do this
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00:03<rjsalts>kingsley: for instance rsync will create two copies of the file unless you use the -H flag
00:04<rjsalts>and even says in the man page: "Note that -a does not preserve hardlinks, because finding multiply-linked files is expensive."
00:04<kingsley>At the moment, I can think of no better explanation for why I so rarely read of corrupted restored links in comparison to the ubiquity of linked files.
00:05<kingsley>Thanks for your thoughts.
00:05<rjsalts>kingsley: but you're talking about hard links or soft links?
00:05<kingsley>I'm concerned about both.
00:05<kingsley>I've read of symlink corruption.
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01:18<lbj90>Looking for clarification: why am I being told I can't run bash scripts (.sh) in the terminal?
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01:21<lbj90>whoops google's my friend. and so is learning about chmod
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01:22<i81u812>Im having trouble
01:23<i81u812>when I boot debian it asks for login from my username but when I put it in it rejects it
01:23<Calinou>explain "it rejects it"
01:23<Calinou>what DE are you using?
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01:24<i81u812>ok I boot debian it brings me to desktop and when it brings me there it boots up username jonb as my win7 does and I put in my win 7 pass but it says auth required
01:24*Calinou facepalms
01:24<Calinou>you are supposed to put the password you chosen
01:25<i81u812>the current debian build not nightly if that helps only stable build
01:25<Calinou>and you still didn't tell me which DE (desktop environment) are you using... presumably gnome then
01:25<i81u812> didnt choose a pw during the install process
01:25<Calinou>then put nothing.
01:26<i81u812>is there a way to pull up which version I installed,Im very sorry Ive done slacker ware but it didnt stall me at login like this
01:26<Calinou>remember: usercases are always lowercase
01:26<Calinou>stable = squeeze, aka 6.0.x
01:27<i81u812>ok just tried blank it said auth failure
01:27<i81u812>I have no idea what it wants from me
01:27<i81u812>I didnt previously put in a pw
01:28<i81u812>but it boots to desktop asking for login adn says my name and guest and I dont have a pw fpr either
01:28<real>i81u812: use the correct username, use the correct password.
01:28<Calinou>he said he put no password
01:28<i81u812>sorry Ive been drinking previously to this problem which Ive never hadd before installing linux
01:29<i81u812>so my username for win7 and my p for win7?
01:29<Calinou>win7 and debian have nothing to do
01:29<i81u812>ok well I tried my pw for pheonix bios and I tried my px for win7
01:30<i81u812>is there a default pw for debian
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01:31<i81u812>Ok well Im willing to try alomst anything to rectify this situation
01:31<Calinou>might want to reinstall with a password this time, and with an username you remember
01:31<i81u812>so I boot debian and it has a username for me previously I didnt input and its asking for a pw I didnt input what would you do
01:32<Calinou>if you just forgot them, you can't do anything really (do you have any data on your debian partition?)
01:32<i81u812>how do I reinstall from bios then
01:32<i81u812>just the same boot from disk
01:33<Calinou>explain "reinstall from bios"? why would you do that?
01:33<i81u812>ok im onm my laptop now so now big deal
01:33<real>Calinou: one could do a bootstrap into the "b0rked" linux install and simply call passwd for the user ...
01:33<i81u812>but I installed dual os over win7 with a small dick debian
01:34<jm_>!i forgot root's password
01:34<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
01:34<Calinou>real: it is like he will understand
01:34<i81u812>ok hold on, do I need to reinstall with command lines or no?
01:35<real>Calinou: but ... i guess a reinstall would be more effective and easier ... for us ...
01:35<i81u812>lets go through this together since I am a programmer I dont understand what youre talking about
01:37<i81u812>ok the best I could do is boot win 7 from bios or grub
01:38<i81u812>if I boot to grunb it brings me to the same login screen
01:38<i81u812>it says loogin as jon.. which is my name
01:38<Calinou>boot the CD and reinstall?
01:38<i81u812>ok Ill try
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01:38<lbj90>I chose debian as my new distro because installing the nvidia drivers looked appealingly simple -- ran first as a precaution and got this: 'Uh oh. Your card is only supported by the current drivers series, which is only in Squeeze.' I'm running Squeeze. Eh?
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01:40<i81u812>ok awating reboot from disk
01:41<Calinou>lbj90: do not install drivers manually
01:41<Calinou>add non-free repos then sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx or whatever it is
01:41<Calinou>don't remember
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01:42<lbj90>i tried it on crunchbang and after reboot x wouldn't start up. i've considered that either i'm dense or the straightforward approach isn't working for me. That was the approach i was going to try this time
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01:43<Calinou>installing drivers by hand will get you into regret every time you update X
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01:44<lbj90>here's what i'm going to try after adding non-free repos:
01:44<lbj90>i'm asking before so i don't end up frustrated trying to get back into an x session
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01:45<i81u812>ok well trying to reinstall by disk didnt help
01:45<i81u812>it just bringes me back to the ogin
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01:46<Calinou>lbj90: what is your graphics card?
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01:47<lbj90>gtx 560 ti
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01:48<i821u812>I tried a reboot and reinstall
01:48<lbj90>i was reading that i may need to include version numbers. scratching my head because it's not legacy but it's also not in the appendix on that page
01:48<Calinou>squeeze doesn't like recent GPU
01:48<i821u812>it keeps b ringing me to the password page of debian
01:48<Calinou>only if you use backports
01:49<i821u812>is there a password cracking disk I can download like win7 to get into linux debian
01:49<jm_>lbj90: use dkms instead of m-a, it's simpler
01:49<jm_>lbj90: grab nvidia packages for squeeze from bpo
01:49<i821u812>is dkms something to get past passwords?
01:50<i821u812>o wel sob can anyone help me step by step ill deposit 5$ into paypal
01:50<Calinou>dynamic kernel module system iirc
01:50<Calinou>i821u812: no.
01:50<jm_>i81u812: notice the message related to dkms is prefixed with lbj90
01:50<lbj90>jm_: pardon, bpo? sorry. i understand everything else youre suggesting
01:50<jm_>!tell lbj90 -about bpo
01:51<lbj90>short for...backports?
01:51<i821u812>the big problem is that when I try to open debian it asks for login which I know nithing about, I know win7 has a boot disk that oes around pw
01:51<i821u812>sory my keyboard batteries are dying
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01:52<i821u812>ok another problem when I boot debian how can I boot win7 insteqad as a dual boot
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01:54<i821u812>I didnt quit...
01:54<lbj90>jm_ so in essence i'm telling my kernel to load the nvidia drivers via dkms, and i'm retrieving the drivers from bpo? sorry, I've been trying to learn more after using a lot of automated processes in Linux Mint...
01:54<jm_>on typically installations win7 is added to boot menu
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01:56<jm_>lbj90: dkms is a method to build modules for your kernel, similar to module-assistant, and modules are loaded the same way for both (modprobe); bpo has newer versions of nvidia packages, which you'll need for your card;
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01:58<stag019>can anyone here figure out what my /var/log/Xorg.0.log is trying to tell me (since i cant get my graphics drivers to work)...?
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02:00<jm_>stag019: it's telling you that X server crashed
02:01<stag019>how do i make it not do that
02:02<lbj90>jm_, i may be back, but first i'm going to get some terminology down and try this sob out. thanks!
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02:06<jm_>lbj90: just ask if you have any questions
02:07<jm_>not sure why it's crashing, but perhaps try X from backports if you're using squeeze
02:07<stag019>well theres also this one here:
02:07<stag019>there it didnt crash, but it unloads my graphics driver
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02:08<lbj90>jm_: I got impatient earlier and asked around on freenode also. Consolidating what I've been told, I'm going to try this: 1.upgrade kernel 2. install linux kernel headers 3. install nvidia-kernel-dkms. i think that's all i need to do
02:09<jm_>yeah it uses VESA driver
02:09<jm_>lbj90: yeah, just make sure kernel and nvidia packages come from bpo for best results
02:11<stag019>jm_: why is it using the vesa driver and not the radeon one?
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02:12<jm_>stag019: do you have radeon 6530?
02:12<stag019>6530D if that makes any difference
02:16<jm_>man page for squeeze doesn't list that as supported, while the one in wheezy does, that explains why it unloads it
02:16<jm_>the one in bpo also doesn't list it
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02:18<stag019>is there any way i can still use it on squeeze?
02:19<jm_>perhaps by using the proprietary fglrx driver
02:20<stag019>how can i try that?
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02:35<stag019>okay i tried the instructions here:
02:36<stag019>when i try to startx, i get the fatal error of no screens found
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02:37<stag019>also when i tried "aticonfig --initial" i got no supported adapters detected, so i manually created a xorg.conf file in nano
02:38<jm_>did you check if the version in squeeze supports your card?
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02:39<stag019>no, where would i check that at?
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02:46<jm_>how about 'man fglrx'?
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02:50<stag019>it says Radeon HD 2400 or later
02:50<stag019>under supported hardware
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02:55<jm_>that's rather vague
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02:56<stag019>what do you want me to do about it? : /
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03:01<jm_>to be honest, I'd just upgrade to testing, but it's obviously your chooice so ...
03:01<stag019>i was just about to ask if that was my best option
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03:02<stag019>and since i just migrated from ubuntu to here, i already have almost everything important backed up
03:04<pato83>Hi, I can not figure out how to setup dnsmasq for two subnets. It works only on one interface, the second one seems to be just ignored for some reason. It is very simplistic setup in dnsmasq.conf. I setup ranges for each interface (two eth0, wlan1) with option dhcp-range=interface:<interface>,range but still no luck. I dont need a solution I will be more than happy with just little help or advise. Thank you very much.
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03:09<pato83>Here is config interfaces and dnsmasq
03:10<pato83>Thanks in advance.
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03:16<jm_>are you sure you can specify the interface config option twice?
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03:18<pato83>jm_: well I hope so, but I am sure dnsmasq is capable to serve multiple subnets. dnsmasq --test, which chceck the syntax, shows me correct config.
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03:19<jm_>pato83: yeah, I have no doubts it's syntactically correct, but whether it does what you want is questionable, maybe it can show more in debug mode
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03:20<pato83>jm_: I am sure it is written in default dnsmasq.conf that you can specify as many interfaces as you need.
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03:21<pato83>jm_: well, what i want is the following. Each client in each subnet should be able to get to the internet, use local only services running on the same machine as dnsmasq and I guess it is all I need to be honest.
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03:25<jm_>pato83: indeed, it says repeat the line ... so ignore me
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03:27<pato83>jm_: no way to ignore you. you never know what can help . ;)
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03:30<pato83>jm_: runnning in debug mode allows client on wlan1 connect without any problem. But no luck in case of eth0. Here is the output, I cut the relevant part:
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03:35<jm_>pato83: there's nothing about interfaces there, does it put them in promisc. mode?
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03:37<thinkerweb>anyone know how to turn off auto hover select for xvkbd. Cause if I put my mouse over say 'h', it prints many h's so I have to select it and move my mouse away really fast, its annoying
03:39<pato83>jm_: I rather make sure I know what you talking about. What do you mean by promisc mode ? Iam going to check what you saying about missing any info per interface. Thanks btw.
03:40<jm_>thinkerweb: mentions some features that may help: Jump Pointer, Automatic Click
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03:40<thinkerweb>jm_, thx
03:41<jm_>pato83:, say when one runs tcpdump, it puts it in such mode, and typically DHCP servers do too AFAIK (check dmesg output after starting dnsmasq)
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03:44<thinkerweb>jm_, thx, I found it, I just had to click to properties and turn Automatically Click to Off
03:44<jm_>thinkerweb: right
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04:23<frankko>hi i am using debian ppc wheezy on a powerbook but i do not know how to make an "at sign " with the swedish latin1 layout.
04:23<frankko>anyone know?
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04:27<simonlnu>seems it might be shift-2, according to wikipedia
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04:38<judgen>ok i am back, my networkd died... back to the powerbook issue.. Shift+2="
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04:47<judgen>btw is chromium x86 only=
04:49<jm_>the game? no
04:49<judgen>not the game... the browser. I installed the game by accident thinking it was the browser.
04:49<zeus>hi all, is there any one can help me with building/making a pam module from source ? It's pam_abl (
04:49<judgen>no biggy though i will mostly use this computer in cli anyways
04:50<jm_>it's available for x86, amd64 and some arm architectures
04:50<zeus>while making i got errors
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04:51<jm_>-llibdb is certainly a strange way to link libdb
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04:52<judgen>could someone please type a at sign.. i will just copy it into my scripts...
04:52<judgen>then i can return to cli
04:53<melmothX>judgen: @
04:53<zeus>jm_: i agree with you ... but how can i fix this ?
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04:53<judgen>melmothX, thanks
04:53<jm_>zeus: change it to -ldb?
04:53<melmothX>zeus: du you have the required -dev packages installed?
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04:55<zeus>melmothX: i think yes. it should be "db4.7-util libdb4.7 libdb4.7++ libdb4.7++-dev libdb4.7-dev libpam-dev"
04:55<jm_>looks like @ might be altgr + q
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04:59<zeus>jm_: i'm trying to change it as you suggest ... but i cant find "-llibdb" string in makefile. Where/what do i have to look for ?
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05:02<zantekk>hey guys
05:03<zantekk>does anybody of you know where to place thunderbird addons so that they are preinstalled for every new user without using /etc/skel for copying a hole profile folder?
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05:05<jm_>zeus: make -d shall help
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05:18<darkskiez>zantekk: maybe install an extension from apt and see where it puts it ?
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05:52<ash_>all, I am on Ubuntu 12.04 and soon i think of moving to debian Linux
05:52<ash_>any good feedbacK?
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05:52<themill>you're in #debian... what do you expect us to say about debian?
05:53<ash_>Is it good? for programming? and other stuff i am learning :) pentesting and i would like to install, my personal tool on it
05:53<angel> just koay
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05:59<Ichabod>ash_: #debian-offtopic might be better suited for your needs
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06:36<PaulePanter>So, when debmultimedia is not frowned upon, how do I play wmv files?
06:38<PaulePanter>diederik: It would still need the codec?
06:39<diederik>aparently not, just tried playing a wmv file and I see no issues
06:39<diederik>format reported is WMV1 btw
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06:43<PaulePanter>diederik: Alright. I will try it again.
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06:51<diederik>Is deb-multimedia the same as debian-multimedia? The pages look identical.
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06:52<diederik>To check whether I (indeed) don't have pkgs installed from debian-multimedia, I did the following search "aptitude search '?narrow(~i,?archive(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))'"
06:52<diederik>and got no results
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06:52<jm_>!which repo
06:52<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list>
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06:53<diederik>the <dmm list> command returned, hence my initial question
06:55<PaulePanter>diederik: debian-multimedia was renamed to deb-multimedia
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06:55<diederik>ah ok, thanks. Then I have indeed no pkgs from that repo installed
06:55<themill>!dmm list
06:55<dpkg>To list all packages you have installed from aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' -F'%100p'. Note: apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). See also <which repo>.
06:56<themill>^^ that's a rather different command to the one you pasted
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06:56<babilen>... also make sure that you actually have dmm in your sources.list
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06:57<diederik>afaict the only difference is "?version(CURRENT)" and "~i" and I did enable dmm in my sources + aptitude update before checking
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06:58<themill>that "only difference" is the difference between a command that works and one that doesn't, unfortunately
06:58<diederik>oh ...
06:59<jm_>and is archive the same as origin?
06:59<SynrG>diederik: dmm list will fail if your configured apt repos does not include dmm
06:59<SynrG>at least, so far as i recall
06:59<SynrG>oh, babilen said as much above
06:59<diederik>therefor I enabled the repo, did aptitude update and then did the check
06:59<SynrG>sorry, just catching up :)
07:00<diederik>the command "aptitude search '?narrow(~i,?archive(experimental))'" shows all the packages I have installed from experimental though ...
07:00<themill>jm_: archive is "unstable" etc
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07:02<jm_>themill: yeah, I read that in aptitude docs so archive(Unofficial Multimedia Packages) looks wrong
07:03<diederik>jm_: it looks wrong, but it is what "dmm list" returns
07:03<themill>yes,.. that's another difference. I'd missed that
07:03<themill>diederik: it's not
07:03<jm_>diederik: not really
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07:07<diederik>there was (indeed) another difference ?origin vs ?archive, but with the exact command from dmm list I still have no packages.
07:09<SynrG>diederik: and with the exact command i see packages. so there's still something different at your end
07:10<babilen>(or diederik has no packages installed from dmm ?!)
07:10<SynrG>apparently he knows he does, otherwise this discussion is pointless :)
07:11*themill wishes apt tracked where it installed packages from
07:11<diederik>I'm not sure what's wrong with my statements, but "aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),!?origin(debian))'" does return a list of (installed) packages, including handbrake-gtk, which is quire surely from dmm ...
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07:11<babilen>I haven't followed it, so I wouldn't know.
07:11<babilen>themill: Yeah, that would be great.
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07:11<SynrG>incidentally, if i substitute ~i for ?version(CURRENT), i get the exact same count of dmm packages on this test system
07:12<SynrG>15, total
07:12<themill>diederik: what does "apt-cache policy handbrake-gtk" say?
07:12<babilen>diederik: What does "apt-cache policy" give you for all packages that you know you installed from dmm? Could you also paste your sources.list and the dmm list command + output to dmm?
07:12<babilen>err, "to"
07:12<themill>SynrG: yeah, likewise. Although it must not have done under lenny or squeeze or I would have just used ?installed in the factoid
07:13<diederik>themill: 500 sid/main amd64 Packages
07:13<SynrG>ah. my system in question is squeeze. so that's one difference.
07:13<babilen>diederik: Would you mind pasting the output in question to ? (all of it)
07:14<diederik>no, I wouldn't mind. Note that I have disabled dmm for quite some time and just now re-enabled it
07:14<SynrG>but looking at i see no reason sid vs squeeze should matter wrt. this command
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07:16<themill>SynrG: I mean some change in the way ?narrow worked or the set of versions ?installed returned with aptitude
07:16<SynrG>well, aptitude may have changed between releases, yeah
07:16<themill>diederik: if your handbrake-gtk is out of date (i.e. upgradable) then it won't be matched by those search patterns
07:17<SynrG>i have no dmm-infected sid system against which to test aptitude's current behaviour
07:17<themill>SynrG: there were certainly quite a few changes to search patterns between lenny and squeeze -- and I think those factoids date back to lenny.
07:17<diederik>themill: because of your request I found that out too ;)
07:17<themill>(that's why I asked!)
07:18<SynrG>themill: actually, my observations were about changes between squeeze and sid, not lenny and squeeze. i think we may have crossed wires :)
07:19<SynrG>one difference between my tests and diederik's is that i'm testing on squeeze and he on sid
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07:19<judd>Package: handbrake-gtk on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 0.9.3-0.1; squeeze-multimedia: 0.9.5-0.1; wheezy-multimedia: 0.9.6-0.1; sid-multimedia: 0.9.6-dmo1
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07:19<themill>diederik: so none of those package versions are currently installable from dmm, hence they don't match that aptitude search
07:20*babilen is happy we saw some real output
07:20<SynrG>diederik: curious that you have sid and testing at same priority (default 500)
07:20<diederik>why's handbrake-gtk's candidate 0.9.8-dmo3 then?
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07:21<diederik>SynrG: sometimes a package from sid needs a dependency/recommends from testing, but I'm basically running sid
07:21<babilen>diederik: That is the candidate for installation. You have some old version installed (marked with ***) -- You would get the candidate versions if you upgrade
07:21<SynrG>diederik: your intention, then, is to have a sid system and you include testing merely to be able to apt-get foo=version to sometimes downgrade?
07:21<SynrG>ah, i see
07:21<themill>diederik: I assume that the 0.9.8 version was only uploaded in the last few hours
07:22<diederik>themill just answered my (pending) question about judd
07:23<themill>hmm... uploaded 4 days ago according to the changes file
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07:31<themill>looks like the dmm mirror judd was using hasn't been updated for a while -- I'll point him at a different dmm source
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07:42<diederik>is liblzma2 needed for XZ compression support?
07:43<diederik>it's marked as automatically installed, by aptitude why/why-not can't find a reason to install/remove it ...
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07:47<themill>that's an old library package -- shouldn't be needed any more
07:48<diederik>thanks. I've now minimized and updated my non-debian packages :)
07:49<themill>!not available
07:49<dpkg>To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
07:49<themill>diederik: that's some useful housekeeping ^^
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07:49<diederik>WOW, that's not something I could've come up with today :P
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07:53<judd>Package: handbrake-gtk on amd64 -- lenny-multimedia: 0.9.3-0.1; squeeze-multimedia: 0.9.5-0.1; wheezy-multimedia: 0.9.6-0.1; sid-multimedia: 0.9.8-dmo3
07:53<themill>(judd is now facing a non-broken dmm mirror... it took a while to find one that wasn't broken)
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08:07<SynrG>themill: hah, fun. i don't suppose you've fired of notes to their administrators ...
08:09<themill>life's too short and I care so little about dmm....
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08:09<themill>I'm →← close to telling judd to stop importing it as it almost looks like we're recommending the repo...
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08:23<Guest8393>hello testing...
08:23<Guest8393>helo to all the team
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08:32<TobiX>themill: ACK, IMHO it shouldn't be mentioned (or with a big, fat warning) from an official Debian support channel (which this is)
08:32<themill>!why not dmm
08:32<dpkg>The repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of squeeze this was mostly not true and for wheezy this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning>.
08:33<themill>TobiX: it normally is, but there's no way of doing that in judd's output every time
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08:34<TobiX>themill: Could you add "ask dpkg for 'why not dmm'" to judd's output?
08:34<themill>TobiX: having the data there is, however, useful for us in working out user's problems... just the same as having contrib and non-free in judd's db are.
08:34<themill>TobiX: not that easily, and also judd's output is already longer than a line when there are lots of repos with the package in it
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08:36<themill>(but yes, dealing with this in some way that's not too annoying for us is on my todo list)
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08:38<themill>…hopefully before the release of jessie+2…
08:38<SynrG>themill: just make inclusion of dmm an option? in some limited cases dmm is still useful
08:39<themill>SynrG: yeah, and also the no-longer-supported oldstable.
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08:39<SynrG>i agree it looks like we're recommending it, and that's not good
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08:40<themill>At present judd just presents the db results -- putting some logic into it to prefer some repos over others requires careful thought.
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09:17<Lantizia>Anyone know where I can buy Debian discs in Bluray format?
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09:45<VlanXZ>hi there, could anyone help me understanding how can i grep a value from a ssh session and then compare it with a stored value?
09:45<VlanXZ>i would be very thankful
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09:48<Patagonicus>VlanXZ: What do you mean by "grepping a value from a ssh session"? Do you want to use the output of a program run via ssh?
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09:49<VlanXZ>Patagonicus: baically i need to estabilish a VPN between two routers with dynamic IP address. So i need to login on both routers, find if there is a change on the DNS resolution, if so the script must execute a command, else it exits
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09:51<Patagonicus>VlanXZ: If the command is to be executed remotely, just write a script that does everything and run it via ssh, if not, write a script, that prints the information you need in an easily parseable form and run it with ssh user@host scriptname. You can then pipe that wherever you need it.
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09:54<VlanXZ>Patagonicus: exactly, but i'm kinda a newbie to this, can i find a tutorial that helps me to do this?
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09:55<VlanXZ>Patagonicus: i mean with the exact syntax
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09:59<Patagonicus>VlanXZ: Oh, hmm, for bash I think this one should be good: At least the FAQ there has helped me very often, but I haven read the guide
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10:22<toni_>is there a small small small debian like a floppy disk?
10:22<toni_>or little usb pen?
10:22<toni_>with no ethernet or anything else
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10:27<kwork>toni_: business card is the smallest
10:28<Sidicas>I think business card is going away. I thought net install was the smallest
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10:28<toni_>I don't need an installer
10:28<kwork>could be, it has been long time since i tried business card
10:28<toni_>I only need a very small environment
10:28<kwork>toni_: built it then
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10:29<toni_>I don't know how to
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10:29<toni_>I need something like a floppy disk that windows makes
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10:29<toni_>when you want a bootable floppy
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10:29<kwork>toni_: have you googled ?
10:29<dpkg>grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. #grml on
10:30<themill>toni_: ^^ that or one of the debian live images might be the closest thing
10:30<toni_>I don't need particular tools
10:30<toni_>I only need a shell
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10:30<themill>a shell isn't much use without commands to run…
10:30<themill>dpkg: tell kwork about live
10:31<themill>kwork: you can build your own with whatever you need
10:31<kwork>themill: ?
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10:31<kwork>themill: i think you confuze me with toni
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10:31<themill>dpkg: coffee me
10:31*dpkg decants a fine brew of organic, fair trade Jamaican Blue Mountain for themill, courtesy of themill
10:31<themill>dpkg: tell toni_ about live
10:31<kwork>thought the grml seems nice didnot know about it
10:31<themill>toni_: you can build your own live image with whatever you need
10:32<kwork>themill: thanks for the hint of grml :)
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10:35<toni_>grml is too big
10:35<toni_>I need a little base system
10:35<toni_>max 5-10 mb
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10:35<toni_>or less
10:35<toni_>I wanted to understand this: is it possible or not???/
10:36<toni_>or only the kernel is bigger?
10:36<themill>a generic kernel + initramfs that can boot on anything you stick it into is bigger than that
10:37<diederik>not-withstanding what themill says
10:37<toni_>I don't need a full kernel
10:37<toni_>I only need that a shell appears
10:37<toni_>I don't need to mount hd or anything else
10:37<themill>toni_: you'll be making your own custom kernel as well, then
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10:39<Ichabod>toni_: looked into rtos?
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10:54<la>can anybody tell me were i can get info on some programs that came with my linux, I just downdloaded last night and don't have a clue whats going on
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10:57<Sidicas>la: look in /use/share/doc
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10:58<babilen>Sidicas: la left already, you might want to unignore QUITS, PARTS, ....
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11:03<TobiX>toni_: The minimal Debian install (kernel+dpkg+apt) is about ~200-300MB, if you want something smaller, take a look at EmDebian
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11:04<TobiX>toni_: For really small systems take a look at any embedded distro, like OpenEmbedded, OpenWRT or TinyCore
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11:06<TobiX>toni_: The smallest usable Linux desktop distro I know of is TinyCore
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11:10<jkeith>is there anyone there???
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11:10<kop>jkeith: If you've a debian question just ask.
11:10<jkeith>has anyone had any luck with usbip and debian?
11:11<jkeith>specifically debian 3.1.6
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11:12<kop>jkeith: What's usbip? You'll have to be more specific than "any luck". Debian 3 is out of support ages ago. Why would you use it?
11:12<babilen>jkeith: That Debian version is ancient and hasn't been supported for a couple of years. Also: What would "to have luck with usbip" entail?
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11:12<jkeith>im sorry... the liux kernel is 3.1.6 that I am running and the debian version is squeeze....
11:13<jkeith>basically usbip is a method of extending usb over the network with said debian device.
11:13<kop>jkeith: (Just read the <usbip> factoid.)
11:13<kop>msg dpkg doesn't work
11:14<jkeith>i am somewhat of a linux noob... when you say dpkg doesn't work what exactly do you mean?
11:14<babilen>jkeith: That is not a Debian kernel -- You might want to try "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" for a Debian one. I haven't personally used/tried usbip, but what is the problem you are having?
11:14<kop>jkeith: That was a typo on my part. Should not have gone to the channel.
11:14<babilen>dpkg: tell jkeith -about usbip
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11:16<jkeith>well, basically I have a phidget sbc board. It runs an arm processor.
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11:16<jkeith>I have created a custom linux kernel 3.1.6 that includes the usbip modules
11:16<jkeith>i added it to this board and I am having a few issues...
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11:17<jkeith>using this tutorial, I have gotten pretty far
11:17<toni_>tobix: I don't need a desktop environment
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11:17<toni_>I only need a shell
11:18<babilen>jkeith: The usbip modules are enabled in 3.2 AFAICT: you might want to start with that.
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11:18<diroots>hi there, on a squeeze box, I need the last ffmpeg version, so I installed the unstable debian-multimedia repository (as well as debian unstable ones, setting up my apt/preferences not to break all) on the debian-multimedia page, it says there is ffmpeg version 7:0.11.2, and when I install it with apt-get install -t unstable, I get the 7:0.10.5 version. do anyone of has any idea why I do not get the announced version?
11:19<jkeith>i get all the way up to the m-a a-i usbip-source and I run into this issue. The terminal reports back to me "bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use.
11:19<babilen>toni_: We've informed you about live CDs that we are aware of. If those don't satisfy your need try asking in ##linux on and please clarify what you mean by "only need a shell" -- This is hardly a Debian issue.
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11:20<babilen>jkeith: Well, try the backported kernel and make sure that you install headers too. Also module-assistant is sort of deprecated in favour of DKMS.
11:20<jkeith>If the running kernel has been shipped with the Debian distribution, please install the package kernel-headers-3.1.6. If your kernel sorcce tree or headers is located in some non-usual location, please set the KERNELDIRS environment variable to the path of this directory
11:20<babilen>,v usbip
11:20<judd>Package: usbip on i386 -- squeeze: 0.1.7-3; sid: 1.1.1+3.2.17-1; wheezy: 1.1.1+3.2.17-1
11:21<toni_>"only need a shell": I mean I need a shell to execute small c compiled programs
11:21<jkeith>How do I install the headers?
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11:21<jkeith>specifically for 3.1.6
11:21<jkeith>it appears that those are the headers that I need,
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11:22<jkeith>I am sorry to be such a noob... I am really trying to learn linux and have come pretty far in a couple days lol
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11:23<babilen>jkeith: That is not a Debian kernel -- Please enable backports (/msg dpkg bdo) and install a supported backported kernel as in "/msg dpkg bdo kernel"
11:24<babilen>jkeith: It also looks as if usbip binaries are available from Debian directly. Why do you want to compile a kernel module by hand if the Debian kernel have it enabled by default?
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11:25<jkeith>I really don't have an answer to the last question lol. I am such a noob, I just started out on a mission to get usbip working on this board and 2 and a half days later I find myself here. :)
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11:26<siddy>hi, the more I use xfce, the more I am starting to dislike it..... isn't this a gui type window manager? But, features are still lacking?
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11:28<jkeith>so, I have found those binaries and installed them from debian using apt-get install usbip
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11:28<babilen>jkeith: Well, I would start by installing a supported kernel (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) and the usbip package. (apt-get install usbip) Continue by reading /usr/share/doc/usbip/README.Debian (and other files in there)
11:29<jkeith>when I try the dpkg bdo kernel command it comes up with a help file... :(
11:30<themill>dpkg: tell jkeith about bdo kernel
11:31<themill>jkeith: dpkg is a bot here in the channel; "/msg dpkg ...." means use the irc command "/msg" to talk to the bot
11:34*babilen thanks themill
11:35<jkeith>excellent. thank you very much
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11:58<macrobat>siddy: xfwm4 is the window manager.
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12:23<retrospectacus>siddy: what's your question?
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12:26<siddy>retrospectacus, not really important... I was wondering how to get the calender applet
12:26<siddy>I'm used to kde in which I click 'the time' and the calender applet opens?
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12:28<retrospectacus>google has a lot to say about that..
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12:30<towo`>siddy, use orage-clock instead the normal clock
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12:38<buckstabu>Hi, guys. I have a problem with built-in mic in my Dell Latitude e4310. Now i'm using Debian wheezy/sid on it. Built-in mic doesn't work. A solution, that described in launchpad( doesn't work in Debian. How can i solve that problem? Is that bug fixed in new kernel releases?
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13:12<retrospectacus>hello again grusemil
13:13<grusemil>working fine on this new kernel
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13:13<grusemil>however once or two some blank spaces did shown up again
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13:14<grusemil>not an issue
13:14<grusemil>just reporting
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13:15<grusemil>they seem to be related with youtube ? not sure, but thats when it happened
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13:15*babilen blames flash
13:15<grusemil>y, was think that
13:16<grusemil>I did install flash not from sources
13:17<grusemil>prolly a bad thing to do
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13:20<grusemil>anyways, keep it up the nice work
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13:55<rgwsk>Could someone help me with wheezy?
13:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
13:59<rgwsk>I have a problem with the online accounts configuration; I'm running wheezy amd64 and when I try to config the google online account I get the following: "Error getting a Request Token: Bad Request".
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14:02<edix92>I have a problem with domain and teamspeak 3 server, I have debian-6.0 on VPS, I added 2 domain and And this is my problem: domain should connect with main server on port 9987 and it happens. But I would like to domain was connected with the virtual server on port 9988 is it possible?
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14:05<retrospectacus>edix92: yes. What's the problem?
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14:05<thiago>hi all
14:06<thiago>algum br?
14:06<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:08<thiago>hi guys
14:08<thiago>someone help me, plz?
14:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
14:09<thiago>i have a problem with route from 2 ADSL
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14:10<retrospectacus>rgwsk: there is also a channel just for wheezy: #debian-next
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14:14<rgwsk>retrospectacus, Thanks.
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14:15<retrospectacus>thiago: and?
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14:17<thiago>Next, I have 1 server with 2 ADSL
14:17<thiago>I want to leave all ADSL1 connection to the internet (email, websites, etc.) and unique to my affiliates adsl2 access my win 2k3 server via TS
14:17<thiago>leave the internet by running ADSL1 ta
14:17<thiago>however is not accessing the external adsl2
14:17<thiago>access by external ADSL1 is working
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14:18<thiago>Next, I have 1 server with 2 ADSL
14:18<thiago>I want to leave all ADSL1 connection to the internet (email, websites, etc.) and unique
14:18<thiago>to my affiliates adsl2 access my win 2k3 server via TS
14:18<thiago>leave the internet by running ADSL1 ta
14:18<thiago>however is not accessing the external adsl2
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14:18<thiago>access by external ADSL1 is working
14:19<retrospectacus>use iptables to send traffic from <win2kbox> to adsl2. Ask #networking or #netfilter on for more detail
14:20<thiago>question is
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14:21<thiago>or route add default gw ads1 or route add default gw adsl2, but, function only one
14:23<retrospectacus>of course
14:23<thiago>retrospectacus redirect port is ok from win2k3
14:25<thiago>but, when i'm set route default adsl1 external access from adsl2 don't work
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14:29<retrospectacus>yes because the routing table says to use adsl1 and the TCP convo makes no sense. You need iptables to direct some subset of TCP connections thru adsl1 and others thru adsl2
14:29<retrospectacus>routing alone won't help you
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14:33<retrospectacus>thiago: google "dual wan linux" or so
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14:34<dpkg>hello, sagpatke
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14:39<dpkg>well, sagpatke is awesum
14:40<sagpatke>does a no response mean dpkg forgot? shouldn't he say "I don't know!"
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14:40<retrospectacus>sagpatke: this is Debian support. Do you have a debian question?
14:41<retrospectacus>he's ignoring you because you're spamming
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14:41<sagpatke>retrospectacus: Not really. Just learning a few cool things.
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14:41<retrospectacus>play with the robot in a private message. Like I said this channel is for support.
14:41<sagpatke>retrospectacus: sure.
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15:01<mercutio22>something really bizarre is going on with my debian computer and google/gmail. I leave the computer on. After a while, like ~ one full day in uptime I can't access anything from google. I can still access many other sites, irc, etc, but no gmail, google's search, etc. I can ping and traceroute to no problem, but the web browsers keep timing out. Its crazy. If I reboot I immediately restore access(google and gmail render pr
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15:03<mercutio22>this might be a tricky one, maybe I should post it in the debian forum
15:03<retrospectacus>restarting the browser doesn't help?
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15:04<mercutio22>retrospectacus: no, and the weird shit is that I have this issue across chromium, iceweasel and epiphany
15:05<mercutio22>it doesn't matter
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15:24<retrospectacus>beto: welcome to debian support. What is your debian question? Please don't shout.
15:24<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc beto
15:24<dpkg>beto: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
15:25<dpkg>hmm... dinesh is a n00b
15:25<BETO>there is nothing bad for being a noob
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15:26<BETO>alguien chatea español?
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15:26<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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15:37<themill>Dinubhai: please feel free to stop playing with the bot
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16:26<lacrosse1991>would there be a way to initiate a ssh tunnel on a local machine (that would connect to a remote machine) and then make it so i could access a port on the local machine
16:26<lacrosse1991>by connecting a port on the remote machine
16:26<lacrosse1991>so for instance, an ssh server that is listening on the local machine
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16:27<lacrosse1991>am trying to run a service through a ssh tunnel since the firewall that the local machine is behind restricts what can connect to it
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16:30<themill>lacrosse1991: you need a reverse tunnel. See the -R option (and the caveats to it) in "man ssh".
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16:37<lacrosse1991>with the caveats, what were you referring to with that? (nothing really stuck out in the -R section that would strike me as worrying)
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16:40<themill>lacrosse1991: "By default, the listening socket on the server will be bound to the loopback interface only" and doing anything else requires you to change the configuration on the remote sshd.
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16:43<lacrosse1991>oh yep, thanks for pointing that out, will let you know the results later on when i give it a go :)
16:44<themill>happy hunting
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16:54<joseph-soares>hi, about unetbootin, I'm trying to copy an iso to a sdcard. I have a doubt
16:54<devil>joseph-soares: unetbootin does not work with debian
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16:54<devil>joseph-soares: use dd or cat
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16:56<joseph-soares>devil, I've downloaded Debian Wheezy DVD, and I have a sdcard 8GB, and it's already on FAT32. How do I proced to turn it bootable
16:56<devil>joseph-soares: with dd you dont need to
16:57<devil>joseph-soares: dd if=/path/to/your/iso of=dev/sdX (x being your device)
16:57<joseph-soares>devil, I think my dvd recorder is not working well. I've burned and lost three medias
16:58<joseph-soares>devil, how must be formated the sdcard filesystem to work fine?
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17:00<devil>does not matter, it will be overwritten
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17:01<joseph-soares>devil, Ok, I'll try now. Thank you
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17:02<abimael>Programming in C++ help??
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17:07<joseph-soares>is there how to I have accesso to a md5sum to latest wheezy iso?
17:08<joseph-soares>because I've downloaded and now I saw that the image was updated
17:09<joseph-soares>I began download yesterday and it finished around one hour. I'm not sure if my image is right
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17:19<babilen>!tell joseph-soares -about check cd
17:20<josephsoares>devil, is necessary to be root?
17:20<babilen>joseph-soares: Do you have a specific reason for downloading the DVD? If you have a working internet connection during the installation it is typically advised to use the netinst image.
17:20<babilen>!tell joseph-soares -about netinst
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17:20<retrospectacus>josephsoares: no, just run "md5sum debian.iso" and see if it matches the one on the page you linked
17:21<josephsoares>babilen, I don't have a faster connection, so I prefer to download an ISO
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17:55<devil>josephsoares: no, user is fine
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18:03<josephsoares>When I do "dd if=file.iso of=/dev/sdb1" where is the file been copied?
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18:05<daemonkeeper>josephsoares: hint: if = input file, of = output file
18:07<josephsoares>daemonkeeper, I can't see file been copied to output. It's a sd card located on /dev/sdb1. I put the command I showed and it seems like is processing yet
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18:07<daemonkeeper>dd does block level copies
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18:10<josephsoares>daemonkeeper, how come?
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18:11<daemonkeeper>Well, that's how it works. cp copies files, dd copies blocks. Eventually you get a full file system, boot loader and files on your SD card
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18:14<josephsoares>daemonkeeper, I'm trying to "dd" an almost 4GB file. So it has taking a long time
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18:14<daemonkeeper>FSVO long.
18:14<daemonkeeper>You can send SIGUSR1 to the dd process if you are bored by not seeing progress.
18:15<agaida>josephsoares: try dd bs=BYTES with 1M - 32M, that could help
18:16<josephsoares>agaida, I do this in parallel with other process?
18:16<agaida>no, you have to start again
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18:17<agaida>but this will speed up things a lot
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18:19<daemonkeeper>Not really. It /could/ speed-up things but that all depends.
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18:20<agaida>daemonkeeper: you're right, it could :)
18:21<daemonkeeper>At very least it won't be faster to start from scratch. That I promise.
18:21<josephsoares>agaida, daemonkeeper so, I think I'll wait a few more
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18:22<daemonkeeper>by the way, a good value for BS is the read cache of the origin device, or the write cache size of the destination device.
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18:24<retrospectacus>shouldn't it be /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1
18:25<daemonkeeper>Depends on file.iso.
18:25<daemonkeeper>If it is a partition, no.
18:25<daemonkeeper>If it is a full device copy, yes
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18:32<josephsoares>daemonkeeper, retrospectacus I did /dev/sdb1, is it wrong?
18:33<daemonkeeper>You didn't say what file.iso actually is in your case.
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18:35<josephsoares>daemonkeeper, is a debian wheezy dvd iso
18:35<daemonkeeper>Then /dev/sdb1 is wrong indeed. You want /dev/sdb then.
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18:37<daemonkeeper>And, while you're at it, use a netinst image, not a DVD if you are copying to a medium you plan to boot from to install Debian.
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18:45<josephsoares>daemonkeeper, I don't have a faster connection
18:45<josephsoares>daemonkeeper, And I've just downloaded Debian Image
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18:47<josephsoares>daemonkeeper, how do I send SIGUSR1?
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19:08<retrospectacus>josephsoares: with the kill command
19:08<retrospectacus>josephsoares: man kill
19:08<retrospectacus>josephsoares: you will need dd's PID - you can find that with the pidof command
19:08<retrospectacus>josephsoares: man pidof
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19:10<sakax>how do i mount my nikon coolpix camera? i thought this would automount like a usb memory stick
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19:10<sakax>debian squeeze with xfce4 desktop environment
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19:18<arand>Is there a way besides cupt to get the copyright file from a package name? (script-friendly)
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19:22<themill>arand: /usr/share/doc/$packagename/copyright
19:24<arand>themill: For packages that are not yet installed, "cupt copyright packagename" does this, but since cupt chokes on multiarch, and on some apt config files, it's getting unpleasant to use :/
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19:25<themill>ah... hmm
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19:43<arand>Alternatively, is there a reliable way to extract only the copyright file given the .dsc and (packaging+orig)source files?
19:43<arand>Or would one need to do a lot of temporary firs for that to work?
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19:48<themill>arand: there are a few source packages that make a different copyright file for each binary package they build, so that's non-trivial for them. For the rest, it's debian/copyright in debian.tar.gz or .diff.gz (filterdiff) or in the debian/copyright in the source itself for native packages.
19:48<themill>arand: binary packages are easier to deal with
19:49<arand>Yeah, if-but-when:s, I guess cupt might be the best thing for now :/
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19:51<themill>arand: lintian has machinery to extract the copyright files... that might help.
19:53<antgel>i have a box with 500GB hard disk on ext3. i want to add another 1TB disk, but my original install didn't have LVM. how easy is it to install LVM on the existing disk? i've read tutorial of varying promise / difficulty
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19:56<z_marco>antangel: in order to add the 1TB disk to your existing 500Gb disk, the 500Gb disk must have LVM.
19:56<kop>antgel: Install lvm on the new disk. Copy the data on the old disk to the new (with tar or rsync, say), frob the fstab and the grub config to change the boot disk, then reboot and you're on the new disk with lvm.
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19:57<antgel>z_marco: so what do i have to do? a new install on the 1TB disk with LVM then copy data and add the 500GB disk to volume group?
19:57<antgel>kop: okay, thanks
19:57<kop>antgel: Then you can erase the old disk and put lvm on it too and copy data back while running if you need to using lvm.
19:57<antgel>i used to shy away from LVM due to worrying that a single disk failure might break everything. but i think i have enough backup across machines
19:58<kop>antgel: I recommend keeping the boot partition on the old disk. Then you do't have to mess with anything but the root disk (/) in grub.
19:58<antgel>if a hard disk fails on a non-raid lvm, does the whole install become useless?
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19:58<kop>antgel: It also can be prudent to shy away from having /boot on lvm -- that way you can use an alternate boot loader.
19:58<kop>antgel: yes.
19:59<antgel>so hard to just decide if i should spend the extra money on a 2TB disk. it's not like i have old disks lying around like in the old days
19:59<kop>antgel: If any disk in a vg fails the whole vg is gone. If you don't put both disks (via pv) into the same vg then no worries.
19:59<antgel>perhaps if i'd been more au-fait with lvm back in the day i could have re-used more old disks
20:00<kop>antgel: You can use raid under lvm.
20:01<kop>antgel: partition new disk with 1 partition the size of the old disk. Put raid 1 on there in a degraded 1 disk form. Then do as above with lvm. Then add first disk into raid 1 for a full raid 1. Then you can put the rest of the new disk into a partition and make that another pv that's not got an underlying raid 1.
20:01<antgel>kop: yep, i know. but i tend towards just a single hard disk these days with a usb backup. primitive i know, not sure why. i have been trying to simplify my life but i have one machine that i use for workstation and studio, and one for media / mythtv / xbmc. kind of paralysis by analysis working out the resources
20:01<kop>antgel: (Or, put degraded raid on the last partition of the new disk to get ready for when you've more disk and can raid that too.)
20:01<antgel>kop: *boggle* :) you know this stuff well
20:02<SynrG>hmm. youtube-dl just broke. apparently due to this:
20:02<kop>antgel: I tend to use 1 disk and make sure my backups are in place.
20:02<SynrG>turns out youtube-dl has a -U option to update itself. of course, this destroys integrity of the package :)
20:02<antgel>kop: me too. just annoying to not use a perfectly good 500GB disk. although i could ebay it for not-bad money
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20:02<kop>antgel: raid is not a substitute for backups. (And backup can be done on huge slow disks, even usb2.)
20:03<SynrG>so, yay for quick fixes. boo for breaking my package
20:03<antgel>kop: yep, i'm an rsnapshot fan myself
20:03<SynrG>/usr/bin/youtube-dl FAILED
20:03<SynrG>(debsums output)
20:03<kop>antgel: I rolled my own. I like push and pull and rsnapshot just does one (the one I mostly don't want.)
20:04<kop>antgel: but, nothing like having a spare box around to keep going when something breaks.
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20:04<antgel>i'm going to buy a 2TB internal, 2TB external for backup, and sell my 500GB internal and external before the price goes through the floor :)
20:04<antgel>job done
20:05<antgel>and the xbmc / mythtv box can stream my music over the lan from the workstation
20:05<kop>antgel: Get a 3Tb external so you can do hardlinked rsync backups and have lots. 3Tb's are reasonable.
20:05<antgel>so *** to lvm ;) but i learnt a lot :)
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20:05<kop>antgel: 1 copy is not a backup system.
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20:06<kop>antgel: I use lvm on a single drive. Mostly nice. Occasionally awkward.
20:06<antgel>kop: excuse my ignorance but what's the point on one drive?
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20:07<kop>antgel: I can have several partitions and still resize easily (which can be done, with care, without lvm but it's easier with lvm.) But I can also drop in another drive and do stuff when I need to and stay running.
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20:09<kop>antgel: Basically, a single lv does not have to be a contiguous partition on the disk, which makes resize eaiser. I also backup the backup box, and want a resizeable partition for that data -- otherwise I might leave it at / and /boot and not worry so much.
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20:10<kop>antgel: The only real downside is when I get a bad block error and need to track it back to where it came from. (Mostly, smartmontools takes care of disk diagnostics and I so I shouldn't _have_ to do this.)
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20:13<josephsoares>what's a good way to burn a dvd from command line?
20:14<kop>antgel: lvm is also handy when you crypt the disk. You can have one (set of) key(s) and so a single password for your whole system if there's a single pv that's crypted underneath.
20:14<kop>josephsoares: wodim
20:15<kop>josephsoares: (possibly in conjunction with genisoimage)
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20:18<josephsoares>kop, how specify speed
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20:19<devil>--speed xx
20:19<devil>read my manual
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20:30<Guest8438>I'm running LMDE and installed the nvidia proprietary drivers from their website... i got vdpau working but would like to use it on vlc... the version on the repos has vdpau disabled
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20:31<Guest8438>how can i compile the lattest and have it installed as a deb package?
20:31<devil>Guest8438: this is debian
20:31<Guest8438>LMDE is 100% compatible with debian AFAIK
20:32<devil>still, it's not debian. we do not know what is changed
20:32<Guest8438>in fact i said wrong, i want that for a desktop which is running crunchbang, which is also debian stable
20:32<antgel>nice troll, combining a debian derivative and non-free drivers
20:33<antgel>Guest8438: with some packages from ubuntu?
20:34<Guest8438>my sources.list is untouched and contains only official debian repos
20:34<Guest8438>I fail to understand why is that not debian
20:34<devil>why is it not called debian?
20:35<devil>and you can discuss until tomorrow, we do not support it
20:35<abrotman>LMDE is NOT debian, no discussion is needed, call ops if necessary ..
20:35<Guest8438>it is called debian
20:35<chealer>!based on debian
20:35<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
20:36<abrotman>Guest8438: no, it's called Linux Mint, Debian Edition .. if it were Debian, it would be called Debian, not LMDE
20:36<Guest8438>no, it's called crunchbang, I said wrong at first, then corrected
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20:36<antgel>abrotman: hi!
20:36<abrotman>Guest8438: whatever your distro is, this channel only supports Debian, not things based on Debian
20:36<abrotman>antgel: hiya!
20:36<abrotman>antgel: sort of late for you to be up
20:37<antgel>abrotman: how you have such patience after all these years
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20:37<antgel>abrotman: yep. although we do winter time one month early (boo!), so it's 02:37 here. but it's also start of weekend and i'm getting into my new guitar practice routine
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20:37<antgel>days so far: 1 :)
20:38<abrotman>antgel: heh
20:38<antgel>about to hit the hay
20:38<abrotman>in Bb? :)
20:38<antgel>abrotman: i said *guitar*, not saxamophone :)
20:38<abrotman>That'd be Tenor ..
20:39<abrotman>maybe even soprano
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20:39<abrotman>i only have Alto (Eb) and C-Melody (C duh)
20:39<antgel>i have a book, "guitar fitness" with a cool spread of exercises, 52 chapters (weeks), and 7 exercises / chapter (days). so i hope it will provide some nice, broad, exercises
20:40<antgel>as opposed to my usual approach "i don't have time to practice everything i want so i won't get started"
20:40<antgel>paralysis by analysis
20:40<antgel>abrotman: IRC JAM?
20:40<abrotman>it'd be so sad
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20:42<antgel>abrotman: so plan is do the book and jam to youtube backing tracks and single note drones. 1 hour / day plus/minus. i'll see how it goes, i'm sick of being good enough to know what to do to become great, but not making time to do it
20:42<abrotman>been done!
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20:42<abrotman>oh, misread
20:43<antgel>no, i'm still not great!
20:43<abrotman>incomprehensible /msg... yay
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20:45<antgel>in other news, why does my xfce keyboard panel widget lose all its settings *every time i upgrade*?
20:46<antgel>why doesn't it store its settings in my home directory
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20:49<antgel>ah, known issue, workaround
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20:51<abrotman>that i don't know :)
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