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00:20<mcoffin>Hey, I've seen tons of posts saying that its better to use a kernel managed RAID device instead of a BIOS/Fake RAID device when you're not dual booting. I understand why a kernel raid device wouldn't work for a dual boot, but why is a seemingly "lower-level" implementation (Fake RAID) not the better idea ALWAYS? Wouldn't it be faster?
00:20<mcoffin>I've tried searching, but I'm coming up with nothing
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00:26<nick1>i am new to mint... i cant find where to turn on remote desktop sharing on mint 11...
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00:28<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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00:46<dpkg>Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>.
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00:59<jpi>I am runing Debian with Xfce. How can I change login screen resolution?
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01:02<jpi>I can change screen resolution after login just fine, but I want to change screen resolution on login screen. Everyone claims it will be set automatc, but this just doesn't work for my old monitor. I want 1024*768.
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01:08<jm_>you'll have to set it in the X config file if automatic mode doesn't work
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01:14<jpi>This is why I hate Linux.
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01:18<real>jpi: then simply do not use it?
01:18<jpi>Yea. Cant use computer at all when display card outputs too high resolution to my monitor.
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01:19<jpi>Maybe I stay with Redmond.
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01:20<real>jpi: or ... try learn to google.
01:20<real>jpi: are you using gdm3?
01:21<jpi>I don't know.
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01:22<real>well .. then i guess you are using gdm3.
01:22<real>jpi: perhabs this helps you out:
01:24<jpi>real: I'll try that.
01:24<real>jpi: and please rethink your attitude
01:24<jpi>My attitude?
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01:29<jpi>/etc/gdm/Init/Default gives me 90 lines of code. I really need to learn all that just to change screen resolution? huh
01:29<real>jpi: well ... do realy read the link i give to you?
01:29<real>you only have to add one line
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01:33<jpi>Didn't work.
01:38<jpi>Link you gave file name /etc/gdm3/Init/Display but what I found was /etc/gdm/Init/Default
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03:51<christophmoser>I have a problem with saving usb parameters in:
03:51<christophmoser>After a reboot all parameters are set to default instead the value I changed. What can be the reason for this? I use Debian wheezy
03:51<christophmoser>Thank you for support.
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03:59<real>christophmoser: check "man sysctl.conf"
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03:59<jm_>modifications to files in /sys are lost when you reboot
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04:01<jm_>you received two responses
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04:13<kaka81>sorry, I'm new on IRC chats: jm_ you received two responses
04:13<kaka81>where are these responses?
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04:14<Calinou>in a new tab, depends on your irc client
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04:15<kaka81>I use chatzilla but no new tab or something else
04:17<real>kaka81: as i said before: check "man sysctl.conf"
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04:18<jm_>kaka81: in the same window you see this:
04:18<jm_><real> christophmoser: check "man sysctl.conf"
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04:19<jm_><jm_> modifications to files in /sys are lost when you reboot
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04:20<RDMDD>hi. How do I set up locales per user in wheezy?
04:20<kaka81>we tested these modifications on 5 different machines. on the first 2 machines it worked well, after reboot all modifications were available but on the other 3 not
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04:22<jm_>RDMDD: shell startup files
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04:23<RDMDD>jm_, how?
04:23<kaka81>is it possible to add mods in sysctl.conf?
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04:25<jm_>RDMDD: set env vars, man -a locale
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04:27<jm_>kaka81: what do you mean with "add mods"?
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04:29<kaka81>jm_: I mean: I want to set parameters in files mentionend above. these parameters had to set on every boot before kernel is loaded. otherwise some usb devices won't work.
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04:30<real>kaka81: direct changes in sysfs are lost on reboot. you have to use sysctl.conf and sysctl takes this config on startup and set this values.
04:32<kaka81>real: what's the command for modifications in systl.conf? I just tried "echo "15000" > /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/initial_descriptor_timeout" but it doesn't work
04:33<real>open sysctl.conf with an editor ....
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04:34<real>kaka81: it is located under /etc/sysctl.conf
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04:37<kaka81>real: got it. I just look for the right command to set values or do you know the command?
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04:43<kmz>MoDaX hello Modestas
04:44<kmz>sry for bothering you, just wanted to mention a KDE bug which I seem to find a resolution for
04:45<real>kaka81: what do you mean with "the right command"? take an editor, open the file and add the key-value pair you want.
04:45<kaka81>real: add the key-value pair - how do I manage this?
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04:46<slush>changing sysfs, but doesn't know how to edit a file, hmmm
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04:48<kaka81>the problem isn't to edit a file, the problem is what does the key-value-pair look like to work correctly...
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04:49<slush>there are several examples in the file itself and in the manpage (which was recommended to read to you)
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04:51<kaka81>slush: there are only examples for network
04:51<RDMDD>jm_, so I need to login as the user and then add the variables to .profile in the home folder?
04:53<kaka81>because of less time could anyone post right command? thank you very much!
04:54<jm_>RDMDD: which file would depend on the shell they use, for bash it's probably better to use ~/.bashrc
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05:00<RDMDD>jm_, ok tnx.
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05:06<real>kaka81: well you could also add a config file to /etc/modprobe.d/ with this line: "options usbcore initial_descriptor_timeout=15000"
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05:08<real>kaka81: this sets the wanted initial_descriptor_timeout value when the usbcore module gets loaded.
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05:09<Maulkin>ASDSA: Do you have a question about Debian?
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05:09<real>kaka81: thank you for showing us your gratitude. o_O
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05:11<real>kaka81: last good advice from me ... go get some who is able to do your job.
05:12<kaka81>I'm really sorry for not showing it because I'm in a hurry, but I'm really appreciated for your help!!!!!
05:12<RDMDD>I need help getting my desktop environment in a different language. I'm on wheezy xfce. The lightdm login manager doesn't let me choose a language. So I tried installing gdm3, but gdm3 also doesn't have an option to choose language. I set up LANG and LANGUAGE to the language of choice in ~/.bashrc so my shell is in that language. Yet when I log in to the desktop environment, everythiong is in the system's default language.
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05:13<kaka81>and nobody is perfect. everyone has to learn from the ground
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05:15<tomme>hi there
05:15<edin>i have a hd4000 graphic card with a 3.2 Kernel from the backport-squeeze repo. I have an issue where the Card does detect the second monitor but does use the same resolution as for the display (of my notebook). So if the second monitor does have a smaller native resolution it does only show the upper left part of the screen
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05:15<tomme>need help jining my ubuntu machine to windows domain
05:16<real>kaka81: yes, you are right. but not everyone forget about politeness when they are in hurry.
05:16<edin>how do you mean "joining"
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05:16<real>kaka81: especialy when they need help.
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05:16<kaka81>you are right and I'm really sorry for beeing impolite
05:17<tomme>being a member of my network domain
05:17<real>kaka81: ok forget about this
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05:17<real>kaka81: did the modprobe.d "trick" worked for you?
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05:18<Pascal_1>is there a way to diagnose why gnome shell is so long to load ?
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05:18<kaka81>real: I'm testing it right now, getting back to you soon
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05:19<kmz>RDMDD have you exported $LANG?
05:19<RDMDD>kmz, I don't know what that is, so I guess not
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05:21<RDMDD>kmz, what is it supposed to do?
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05:23<kmz>echo $LANG
05:24<kaka81>real: in modprode.d I've created a file "usb.conf" and put "options usbcore initial_descriptor_timeout=15000" in but unfortunatelly it doesn't work. Did I something wrong?
05:24<kmz>I mean, it is necessary to not simply add LANG=%whatever% to your .bashrc, but also make sure you've added export $LANG
05:25<RDMDD>kmz, SO
05:25<RDMDD>kmz, So I have to addexport $lang in bashrc
05:26<RDMDD>sorry for the typo's on this teeny netbook keyboard lol
05:27<kmz>RDMDD: exactly
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05:27<kmz>export $LANG
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05:27<RDMDD>I'm going to gave that a try
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05:28<kmz>in that case it will apply to all child shells
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05:28<RDMDD>well I added it, soI'm going to log out and see what it does. brb
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05:30<d0nkm>i'm at school
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05:31<Pascal_1>no idea ?
05:31<RDMDD>kmz, nope everything still in the system's global language. My shells are in dutch now, but my desktop environment is still in english.
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05:31<d0nkm>can i write in italian please?
05:32<RDMDD>kmz, well that's odd, Iopen a shell emulator and get this error : bash: export: `nl_BE.utf8': not a valid identifier
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05:33<RDMDD>is the .utf8 part case sensitive?
05:35<real>kaka81: well, i have tested it on my own ... i have created a /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf, added this one line i mentioned, unload the usbcore module and load it again ... tada - it works for me(TM).
05:36<real>kaka81: maybe you miss to unload/load the module?
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05:38<kaka81>real: for sure I missed it. I guess you know my next (stupid) question: how to unload/load the module?
05:39<real>well, and my answer should be: get one who is able to do your job ... but ... modprobe -r <module_name>
05:39<real>kaka81: could be that other usb module are using usbcore ... so you have to unload them first
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05:41<real>kaka81: do "lsmod|egrep '^usbcore'" to get those modules
05:42<real>kaka81: unload those modules with modprobe -r <module_name>, unload the usbcore module and then load the usbcore module with "modprobe usbcore"
05:43<real>kaka81: tada - problem solved.
05:43<real>kaka81: an easy alternative would be a reboot
05:44<haylo>if i do a minimal install of debian for example without apt reccomends would this be suitable to creating a lighter debian system where perhaps each program would be compiled and installed with the classic make commands?
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05:46<ectospasm>haylo: why not go with Slackware then? The whole reason to use Debian is deselect, dpkg, and apt....
05:46<babilen>haylo: If you don't install recommended packages you end up with a smaller number of installed packages which could be considered "lighter". -- I don't understand how this relates to manually compiled software.
05:46<haylo>basically i mean to ask: could debian be a suitable platform to start a bare bones nix project. I mean just having the directory system from a debian debootstrap, couldnt you do something like people do with gentoo or BSD
05:47<ectospasm>you could, but you could also do LFS...
05:47<babilen>haylo: That would defeat the entire purpose of a distribution. Use Linux From Scratch, Gentoo, … if you want that.
05:47<babilen>s/a distribution/a binary distribution/
05:47<haylo>right ofc. ok i just wanted to see what you guys thought about that. Im just so used to using debian
05:48<babilen>I don't see the point of compiling everything yourself fwiw, but meh ... (/me moves discussion to #d-ot)
05:48<real>haylo: there is something like gentoo emerge or bsd ports ... it called dpkg-buildpackage ... and now i have to take cover before everyone kick me for that ...
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05:49<real>kaka81: any progress?
05:50<kaka81>real: after unload/load usbcore the correct parameter was in file, but after reboot again default parameter :(
05:50<babilen>real: Yeah, lets just throw away all the buildd's work only to compile it locally! IMHO that *only* makes sense if you want to patch the code yourself or compile with a different configuration. (see "/msg dpkg package recompile") -- The former happens infrequently and the latter could be considered a bug in the original package.
05:51<real>babilen: well i dont want to tell haylo anything about pbuilder/cowbuilder etc pp. sorry. dont kick me. ;)
05:53<kmz>RDMDD: are you sure you have the appropriate locale installed?
05:53<real>babilen: and it is valid to build own packages - because there a good and bad packages in debian. sorry.
05:53<RDMDD>Debian Wheezy: after adding export $LANG in ~/.bashrc, I get this error in my desktop environment terminal emulators : bash: export: `nl_BE.utf8': not a valid identifier
05:54<babilen>real: Then file bugs for those "bad" packages as they must be broken :)
05:54<RDMDD>kmz, yes locale -a lists them
05:54<kmz>nl_BE.UTF8 ?
05:55<jm_>RDMDD: are you saying you don't have locales button in gdm?
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05:55<jm_>RDMDD: otherwise this might help
05:55<RDMDD>well it says utf8 not UTF8, but I tried both already in .bashrc
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05:56<real>babilen: well, i would not say that those packages are automaticly b0rked ... could you agree that some packages matches more the needs/opinion of the maintainer then the needs/opinion of the other users?
05:58<babilen>real: I can't really think of one to be honest ... The only packages that come to mind are metapackages if I try really hard ...
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05:58<haylo>its not that i mind using aptitude or dpkg or something. its about making walkthroughs that make debian as diverse as possible for me. I have already spent so much time with it.
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05:58<haylo>just wanted to know if you could think of any _major_ errors i would be creating. or if it is a plausible starting point to accomplish these goals
05:59<kmz>RDMDD: can you please show the LANG-related lines from your .bashrc?
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06:01<real>babilen: well ... good that we all can have different opinions. ;)
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06:03<RDMDD>jm_, I'll try the solution from that linkyou provided first.
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06:03<RDMDD>kmz, brb
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06:04<jm_>RDMDD: it's export LANG, without $
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06:04<jm_>and you'd want to export the other two as well
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06:04<jm_>but why set LC_ALL to ""?
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06:04<jm_>too late
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06:09<EmleyMoor>I'm in the middle of a lenny install but I want to amend what the installer has selected as partition sizes - using encrypted LVM. I can't see how to change them. Can anyone advise?
06:09<babilen>EmleyMoor: Delete and recreate them with the correct/desired size
06:09<EmleyMoor>babilen: There is no option to delete
06:10<kmz>oops, that was my wrong advice :(
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06:10<RDMDD>kmz, you were saying?
06:10<babilen>EmleyMoor: Wait, lenny install?
06:10<EmleyMoor>Er, sorry, wheezy
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06:11<EmleyMoor>(where did I suddenly regress to lenny from?)
06:11<babilen>→ #debian-next
06:11<themill>EmleyMoor: dreaming of a misspent youth
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06:15<kmz>RDMDD: when exporting a variable you should omit the $ symbol
06:16<kmz>export LANG
06:16<RDMDD>kmz, tnx
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06:18<RDMDD>my xfce session crashes for that user now. Is there anyway to reset the session to it's defaults? I reverted back to the original .bashrc and still it keeps freezing up.
06:18<jm_>try checking ~/.xsession-errors
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06:19<babilen>Or paste it to so we can all check
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06:21<siddy>my time is out exactly 4 hrs so do I run ntpupdate or something else?
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06:22<babilen>siddy: ntpdate has been deprecated. Just install ntp
06:22<babilen>!tell siddy -about ntp
06:22<debianuser>hey.. last night due to a sudden change in electricity ,my system turned off. now when i try to start the computer, debian reports /root/dev/console not available. a lot of programs are missing including /sbin/shutdown,/sbin/reboot and even the login program is missing. is there anything i could do to restore the system without a complete reinstall?
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06:24<mcoffin>Hi! I've been working for a ridiculous amount of time on trying to get my boot loader set up to dual boot win7 and wheezy. win7 is on a soft raid drive, and debian is on a physical hard drive
06:24<mcoffin>for some reason, I just can't wrap my head around it
06:24<mcoffin>Any help?
06:24<jm_>mcoffin: if nothing else works you can use win loader to boot linux
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06:25<haylo>mcoffin: you probably just need to run update-grub from the wheezy install
06:26<haylo>and then grub will find windows and you can dual boot using grub
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06:26<babilen>mcoffin: Just make sure that you have os-prober installed and run "update-grub" .. That should generate a suitable grub entry for Windows as well. See also "/msg dpkg dual boot guide" for common scenarios.
06:26<mcoffin>haylo, But how do I get in to the wheezy install, I have zilch for a working boot loader right now
06:26<babilen>!tell mcoffin -about fixmbr
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06:27<babilen>mcoffin: The procedure should be the same if you use another live cd (e.g. Debian Live, GRML, ...) as well
06:28<mcoffin>babilen, Ya I tried it with my trusty old ubuntu live cd but its 32 bit so I'm assuming thats what made the chroot fail
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06:28<jm_>would os-prober really work with BIOS raid?
06:28<mcoffin>thats what I'm wondering...
06:28<mcoffin>I"m trying it.. but I have my doubts
06:28<babilen>jm_: let's tias!
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06:30<babilen>Well, at least mcoffin can boot Debian at the end of that. Restoring the Windows boot loader is not too hard as well (covered in the microsoft knowledge base IIRC and ##windows (freenode))
06:30<blubberdiblub>it's more a question whether grub does. os-prober has no business caring about the underlying system. it takes what the OS (linux) gives it. so if you can access the fakeraid under linux, os-prober can see everything on there, too
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06:31<mcoffin>babilen, if I can get in to the wheezy install, I'm confident in my ability to manually add windows to grub.. i think.. maybe.. maybe I"m not so sure but whatever
06:32<RDMDD>I deleted the xfce4 and xfce4-session directories in ~/.config but when I log in, I still get the messed up xfce4 session. I can't ALT-Tab between applications and the panels are missing.
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06:32<babilen>mcoffin: Just follow "/msg dpkg fixmbr" and boot into Debian. You then need to *re-run* update-grub with os-prober installed to get the Windows entries assuming that Debian can actually see it.
06:32<RDMDD>here's the paste from the xsession-errors :
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06:33<jm_>RDMDD: what are all the changes you made today? revert them all
06:33<RDMDD>Sorry for caps
06:33<kmz>RDMDD: xfce4-settings-helper: Another instance is already running. Leaving...
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06:33<kmz>make sure you don't have any pieces of xfce running
06:33<kmz>ps ax|grep xfce
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06:33<kmz>vefore trying to log in
06:34<babilen>RDMDD: Does it work with a completely new user?
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06:34<RDMDD>I ahve 3 users, and they don't have problems
06:35<RDMDD>it happened during a log out that it started crashing. I'm going to try what kmz proposed. brb
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06:40<RDMDD>kmz, ps ax|grep xfce didn't return anything except grep xfce on TTY1. the xfce session that's messed up, has the window decorations missing and I can't ALT-Tab between programs.
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06:42<RDMDD>here's the new paste :
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06:58<RDMDD>I deleted the user entirely, with deluser --remove-home so I start a new xfce session. That works. However I still can't get my XFCE session to be in a different language. I edited the ~/.bashrc with the LANG and LANGUAGE variables and I exported them using export LANG. I also edited ~/.dmrc and added the line 'Language=nl_BE.utf8' nothing changes to desktop's language.
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07:00<babilen>RDMDD: Could you try changing the language in a display manager such as gdm3 to verify that this would work?
07:00<jm_>RDMDD: and if you run date in shell, it is in correct locale?
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07:01<RDMDD>jm_, yes, correctly formatted and all.
07:02<RDMDD>babilen, how do I change the language in gdm3? There's no such button. Should I try changing the global language?
07:02<jm_>RDMDD: check environemnt for xfwm4: pidof xfwm4, cat /proc/$(pidof xfwm4)/environ
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07:02<babilen>RDMDD: You can change it *after* you selected your user. (when you enter your password)
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07:03<babilen>RDMDD: Same place where you can select the session too
07:03*babilen checks, brb
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07:04<RDMDD>jm_, what am I supposed to find?
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07:05<jm_>RDMDD: do you see LANG/LC_ALL/... set?
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07:06<babilen>RDMDD: I must have thought of gdm and not gdm3 -- It seems as if the GNOME developers deemed it too unfriendly to be able to switch languages in the display manager. It now has to be done in your user's settings somewhere™ in GNOME. Not entirely sure how that works in XFCE though.
07:07<babilen>RDMDD: Try "gnome-control-center → Region and Language" please
07:08<RDMDD>babilen, ok will try
07:09<babilen>RDMDD: What does "cat /var/lib/AccountsService/users/*" give you?
07:10<RDMDD>babilen, as root?
07:10<babilen> as well -- Doesn't really look good
07:10<babilen>RDMDD: Doesn't matter
07:11<RDMDD>Interesting no?
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07:12<babilen>This is ridiculous -- gdm3 really is useless junk. (also:
07:12<RDMDD>yeah and lightdm also doesn't have the option
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07:13<babilen>RDMDD: Could you edit the one for your user so it reads "Language=nl_BE.utf8" please? You can presumably also use gnome-control-center, but message #40 to the bug (linked above) seems to indicate that this wouldn't work as well.
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07:14<blubberdiblub>babilen, RDMDD, for XFCE, the setting in /etc/default/locale should work
07:15<jm_>he wants to change it per-user
07:15<blubberdiblub>oh, okay
07:15<blubberdiblub>disregard me then
07:15<babilen>blubberdiblub: That would change the default system locale -- Surely that works, but is really not what is wanted/needed here
07:15<babilen>(i.e. slashhammer)
07:16<babilen>sledge :(
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07:18<RDMDD>babilen, I added Language=nl_BE.utf8 to the file with user's name in /var/lib/AccountsService/users/ so let's log out and see what happens.
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07:22<RDMDD>babilen, nope didn't do the trick
07:24<babilen>RDMDD: Yeah, I kinda expected that. (due to the aforementioned bug report)
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07:24<babilen>I can't really think of another (clean) option apart from changing the system default's language or using a different display manager (such as kdm, wdm)
07:24<RDMDD>Interestingly, logging out and back in has changed the file back to it's original state
07:25*babilen sighs
07:25<jm_>would it work if he used ~/.xsession file to start xfce and set env before that (if needed)?
07:25<RDMDD>meaningthe line Language=whatever is now gone from the file
07:26<PaulePanter>Hi. `dpkg-buildpackage` failed during dh_install, because I listed a non-existing file in *install file.
07:26<babilen>I consider this to be a serious problem - This is not acceptable and a *major* regression in usability
07:26<PaulePanter>How can I finish the build process without needing to compile everything again.
07:27<PaulePanter>That means just finish the packages of the files and creating the deb packages.
07:27<babilen>PaulePanter: -nc
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07:28<babilen>PaulePanter: Also "man dpkg-buildpackage"
07:28<PaulePanter>babilen: Oh thanks.
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07:29<PaulePanter>babilen: Works like a charm.
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07:39<RDMDD>babilen, just to let you know, I installed both the wdm and kdm. They don't have the language choose option either.
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07:40<RDMDD>reverting to squeeze seems the only option for me. I hope it works there.
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07:45<RDMDD>How do install the minimal KDE? Without all the bloat?
07:46<TCW>RDMDD, on squeeze?
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07:47<RDMDD>No I'll try one more thing here on wheezy. Don't feel like installing a new OS again. So I'll install KDE here and change the language from within KDE.
07:47<RDMDD>So basicly kde-lite on wheezy.
07:48<RDMDD>apt-cache search kde-lite didn't return anything. I forgot how it's called.
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07:48<jm_>!install kde
07:48<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>.
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07:50<RDMDD>tnx forthe info jm_
07:50<Pascal_1>does somebody could help me to diagnose why gnome shell is so long to load ?
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07:54<TobiX>RDMDD: The only display manager I know of that allows changing langauge is LTSP's DM, which is probably not usable on a single computer...
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07:57<RDMDD>Let's see if I can change the language in KDE. If not, I'll send the other users a language training course.
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08:16<mitia>hi. does anybody have idea of what these messages in kern.log mean?
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08:20<RDMDD>Well now that I installed kde-plasma-netbook, it doesn't show in the kdm. So I can't start it.
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08:21<arnuld>I wanted to stop certain services. I have changed the names e.g S20gdm3 to K20gdm3 as mentioned in README of rc2.d but when I do "update-rc.d script defaults" I get this:
08:21<arnuld>update-rc.d: error: unable to read /etc/init.d/script
08:22<arnuld>I am root
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08:22<kmz>arnuld have you changed "script" to the script name?
08:23<arnuld>what is the name ?
08:23<arnuld>How di I find it
08:24<kmz>which service you want to update?
08:24<kmz>is that gdm3?
08:24<jm_>it's obviously gdm3, but why do you ahve it installed if you don't want it running?
08:24<TobiX>arnuld: In your case ""update-rc.d gdm3 defaults", but why are you using update-rc.d?
08:24<arnuld>jm_: I dd not install . It came automatically
08:25<TobiX>Ah. The readme.
08:25<TobiX>arnuld: apt-get remove gdm3?
08:25<jm_>arnuld: right, try uninstalling it and see how it goes (it will ask for confirmation first)
08:25<arnuld>TobiX: to stop them permanently as per README
08:26<TobiX>RDMDD: I just checked, neither kdm, gdm3, wdm, slim or lightdm provide a language selection...
08:27<RDMDD>TobiX, tnx
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08:28<arnuld>TobiX: jm_ : nice it is uninstalling GNOME too. That is exactly what I want
08:28<jm_>arnuld: entire gnome or just the meta package?
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08:29<arnuld>jm_: How do I know
08:29<jm_>arnuld: put the output on a pastebin (/msg dpkg paste)
08:31<TobiX>The age-old problem with metapackages :(
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08:36<jm_>arnuld: that's a meta package
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08:36<arnuld>iyn it ok
08:36<hw>Any way of forcing a package installation via multistrap? I got "sysv-rc : Conflicts: file-rc but 0.8.12em1 is to be installed"
08:36<arnuld>is it ok
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08:38<TobiX>arnuld: Meta-packages are empty, so no problem there. The interesting question: Does aptitude also remove more then those 2 meta-packages if you answer "yes"?
08:39<arnuld>TobiX: idt does
08:39<arnuld>TobiX: it*
08:39<TobiX>That's not so good...
08:40<arnuld>wha do you advise then ?
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08:43<TobiX>arnuld: Just go on disabling the init script then. Less hassle... Stupid question: Why do you want to disable gdm?
08:43<arnuld>TobiX: I don't want Desktop
08:43<arnuld>TobiX: I want StumpWM
08:43<arnuld>with startx
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08:45<TobiX>Well, if you are going the minimalist way, might as well remove all of GNOME and reinstall those bits and pieces of it that you want...
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08:48<chaos>if there's a directory let's call it A with a symlink to a folder a level above like B -> ../B ... and then there's a file in that folder B which again is a symlink to an actual file a level above c -> ../c
08:48<chaos>where should the actual file be?
08:48<TobiX>arnuld: I removed most metapackages from my system and just install the programs/libraries I need...
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08:49<arnuld>TobiX: did you mess up anything in the process ?
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08:52<TobiX>arnuld: Well... You will probably break the default GNOME session by removing those metapackages. Also, you should have at least a vague idea which packages are NEEDED to get a running X session, so you can take care not to remove them...
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08:53<arnuld>Do I need portmap ?
08:53<arnuld>binfmt ?
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08:55<TobiX>chaos: Like this?
08:55<chaos>A & B yes, c probably :)
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08:56<chaos>it was my /etc/php5/conf.d folder which was llinked from apache2, cgi & cli in /etc/php5
08:56<TobiX>arnuld: portmap is a deamon for RPC calls (NFS mainly), binfmt is support for executing "non-native" binaries, like Java classes, EXE with wine, EXE with mono, etc.
08:57<chaos>but the browscap.ini which is required for apache2 was majorly fucked for cli
08:57<TobiX>chaos: Which is, AFAIK, the default setup
08:57<chaos>i suppose
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08:57<TobiX>chaos: on my server
08:58<chaos>still.. i deleted the symlink from apache2/cgi/cli and so i can have an empty browscap.ini for cli
08:58<chaos>i guess it's apache2 that messes it up
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08:59<TobiX>chaos: Can't say, haven't used the apache module in years
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09:01<RDMDD>Hi, sorry for all the language related questions, but I was wondering if I install a package, is it installed in the systems global language, or is it installed in several languages and the application switches to that language depending on the user's language? I want to install gcompris for my child. My system's language is in english, but my child only speaks dutch, so I want that package to be
09:01<RDMDD>installed in dutch. Should I change my default language before doing the install or can I give a parameter to apt-get to get a language prefered?
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09:09<TobiX>RDMDD: Most packages contain all available languages
09:10<TobiX>RDMDD: In your special case, gcompris split of sound packages, so you should install gcompris-sound-nl also
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09:11<babilen>RDMDD: Only few programs such as Iceweasel or Open/Libreoffice have language specific packages. Either way you would just have to install additional packages and it is *never* necessary to change your locale for the installation. (i.e. apt-get installs the same set of packages regardless of the locale you are working in)
09:14<RDMDD>TobiX and babilen: tnx, those were the answers I was looking for.
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09:18<RDMDD>My wireless router is set not to broadcast SSID. However during the install of Wheezy, when I choose other / manually enter wireless network information, it doesn't connect to it. I had to broadcast SSID for it to work. I use WPA/WPA2 mixed mode. It's no biggie, I just wanted to report this, as it happened on both my computers.
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09:21<babilen>RDMDD: Write a documentation-report -- Also #debian-next for wheezy (and you'll find more interested developers there)
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09:21<babilen>RDMDD: Did you try to configure it manually? I mean: Wouldn't it work even if you entered the SSID per hand? (which is necessary as it isn't broadcast)
09:22<RDMDD>babilen: It would detect it, but the handshake was unsuccesful.
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09:23<babilen>RDMDD: Might be worth reporting. I don't work on the installer and have no idea if that is a bug or if this was never meant to be supported though.
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09:24<Pitxyoki>Does anyone know of a "system-monitor" applet for the gnome-panel on wheezy?
09:24<Pitxyoki>I mean the gnome panel on "fallback mode".
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09:25<Pitxyoki>Not the new, buggy stuff.
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09:26<babilen>Pitxyoki: buggy?
09:26<Pitxyoki>Let's skip that part.
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09:27<grammoboy>what is the best setup for playing music from a server via my n900 phone?
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09:28<grammoboy>atm I use sshfs / fuse
09:28<babilen>Pitxyoki: looks OK for gnome-shell. I don't think many developers target the fallback panel though. You might want to ask in a Gnome channel rather than a Debian one.
09:28<Pitxyoki>babilen, yep, it's only for the shell and yep, I'm also on a gnome channel.
09:29<Pitxyoki>Thing is: there was a gnome-system-monitor applet on squeeze.
09:29<Pitxyoki>But it won't be in Wheezy.
09:29<Pitxyoki>And I can't find a replacement for that.
09:29<Pitxyoki>This applet worked on gnome-panel at least until version 3.2
09:29<vinoth>i'm a newbie :)
09:30<Pitxyoki>But it's gone from the repos. And if I update the panel to 3.4 I'll lose the applet.
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09:30<Pitxyoki>Hello, vinoth.
09:31<vinoth>@ Pitxyoi : Thanks god..I got a response
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09:32<ribe>what would be an easy way to add libreoffice to squeeze and is it recommendable?
09:32<heikkila>ribe, I added it via the backports
09:32<Pitxyoki>Backports, yes.
09:33<ribe>heikkila, tahnks and would that be a way to update to a newer version of iceweasel?
09:33<babilen>Pitxyoki: Using the fallback mode is no solution. I would either start using gnome-shell or switch to a different desktop environment.
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09:34<heikkila>ribe, For Iceweasel follow instructions here:
09:34<ribe>THANKS heikkila and Pitxyoki
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09:37<ribe>heikkila, which version do I want?
09:37<heikkila>ribe, probably release :)
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09:37<TobiX>Pitxyoki: AFAIK: Fallback mode will vanish as soon as llvmpipe is stable...
09:38<Pitxyoki>I have no idea what that is.
09:38<Pitxyoki>But I hope by that time my graphics card has better drivers then.
09:38<Pitxyoki>Or I'll have to buy a new one.
09:38<TobiX>Pitxyoki: Fast Software OpenGL support
09:38<Pitxyoki>Or switch DE.
09:39<TobiX>So even 3D-challanged hardware will run gnome-shell with acceptable speed
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09:40<Pitxyoki>Let's hope so.
09:40<TobiX>Pitxyoki: See for speed impressions
09:41<Pitxyoki>The problem was not so much the speed of it but the hangs, texture corruptions and X crashes.
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09:42<Pitxyoki>Is that video flickery or is it just me?
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09:43<TobiX>Pitxyoki: Yes. That's a bug :)
09:44<TobiX>Pitxyoki: On the other hand: That video is 2 year old :)
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09:46<TobiX>Pitxyoki: Fedora 17 is already using llvmpipe instead of the 2D fallback...
09:46<Pitxyoki>Btw, the glitches I see frequently are things like these:
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09:47<Pitxyoki>I'm struggling to find the corresponding upstream bug for that.
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09:47<Pitxyoki>It also happens with the fallback mode, but with Shell, it gets hard to use much quicker.
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09:58<TobiX>Pitxyoki: That bug is from different users with different graphic cards... Strange...
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10:04<Pitxyoki>I frequently get my desktop image like that.
10:05<Pitxyoki>Now that I look at it, it is like that right now.
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10:21<TobiX>Pitxyoki: Have to check later if I can reproduce on my X301, if that is the correct intel GMA for this bug...
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10:25<Pitxyoki>There are some reliable ways to reproduce it.
10:26<Pitxyoki>Fill the computer's RAM and try to context switch.
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10:26<Pitxyoki>When opening some sites on a browser (FF or Chromium), it happens quickly too.
10:27<Pitxyoki>I'm not sure if I'll add a new comment on those bugs just to say that I see that happening here too.
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10:27<Pitxyoki>This one is effective to reproduce it, TobiX:
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11:02<MyLinuxBook>Please don't treat it as spam..Just wanted to know if somebody is willing to contribute at
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11:02<OdyX>not me
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11:03<TobiX>Pitxyoki: Which Intel GMA chipset are you using? My X301 has Intel GMA 4500MHD...
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11:19<bounca99><bounca99> i have a redhat server with multiple interfaces
11:19<bounca99><bounca99> i have all configured with a gateway
11:19<bounca99><bounca99> however when i do a netstat -nr
11:19<bounca99><bounca99> its only showing the route for the first interface
11:19<bounca99><bounca99> i added a default gw for the specific gw
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11:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:09<RDMDD>I went to debian wheezy ->kde ->system settings -> login screen -> get themes. I'm then presented with a list of themes of which I selected a few andclicked on install. However, when I go back to the main settings pane of the login screen, they aren't listed there. But when I click on get themes, the ones I picked show a button uninstall, suggesting that they are indeed installed. My question is:
12:09<RDMDD>Where are they ?
12:09<TobiX>Pitxyoki: Could you paste the output of "grep Chipset /var/log/Xorg.0.log" somewhere?
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12:13<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.
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12:15<TobiX>Pitxyoki: No. I don't get any problems with that page. OTO I have 4G RAM in here, so if it is somehow memory-related, I might not trigger it...
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12:17<Pitxyoki>TobiX, try the one I'll send you in a notice (might be mildly NSFW).
12:17<Pitxyoki>If I scroll down that page, I see some images with squares with wrong colours.
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12:18<Pitxyoki>Just like the screenshots on the bug reports I showed before.
12:18<Pitxyoki>The output of grepping Xorg.0.log:
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12:22<RDMDD>gnash, flashplugin-nonfree, or lightspark? which one performs best?
12:22*babilen guesses flashplugin-nonfree
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12:24<TobiX>RDMDD: Well, lightspark and gnash perform better, but flashplugin-nonfree has the best comatibility
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12:25<RDMDD>flashplugin-nonfree seriously lags in iceweasel, doesn't work properly in konqueror. All at 720p. It's not my netbooks hardware, as it ran smoothly on windows7 suggestions to speed things up? Isit because the fglrx driver isn't loaded because its compatability issues wi!thnew xorg
12:25<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:25<RDMDD>TobiX: I was hoping to hear that. I'm going to try gnash then
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12:26<Anaa>holaaa as saludao a carlitos
12:26<TobiX>RDMDD: I think flashplugin-nonfree only uses hardware acceleration on Nvidia's non-free driver
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12:35<TobiX>Pitxyoki: No dice. Probably specific to the i915 chipset, not the whole intel driver...
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12:57<ribe>anybody home?
12:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:00<ribe>is it a good idea to change a stable install to testing without a re-install?
13:00<retrospectacus>!tell ribe about squeeze->wheezy
13:00<jticket>Speech disabled.
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13:02<retrospectacus>ribe: both ways are fine, of course you will retain files and settings if you upgrade, or start fresh if you reinstall. The *best* idea is to stay with stable until wheezy is released as stable
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13:03<jticket>Disabled OFTC speech.
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13:03<retrospectacus>jticket: do you have a debian question?
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13:04<ribe>so leave sources.list as squeeze or stable?
13:05<retrospectacus>ribe: what do you want to do?
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13:07<ribe>I have been running TESTING for almost two years now, I also have 2 Stable installs, but in the stable Iceweasel needs to be upgraded that is why I wanted to change one more to testing...
13:07<heikkila>ribe, didn't you get the newest release of Iceweasel?
13:08<retrospectacus>ribe: directions for getting new iceweasel on stable can be found at
13:08<ribe>no I was NOT able to got a bunch of erros
13:08<retrospectacus>ribe: so make a page on and show us
13:08<ribe>had to erase the backports entry in sources.list
13:08<retrospectacus>ribe: why not try to solve the errors instead
13:09<ribe>retrospectacus, way above my current means
13:09<themill>ribe: if you show us errors, we can help you. (if you don't ...)
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13:10<retrospectacus>ribe: neat
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13:11<ribe>I have several Debian installs on identical Panasonic Toughbooks, 2 are Testing and I love then these two are Stable, Iĺl just use the testing for the new iceweasel stuff... THANKS
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13:12<ribe>all machines are in diferent locations
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13:12<heikkila>ribe, it is very easy to get the newest Iceweasel into stable, no need to give up now
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13:13<retrospectacus>ribe: Installing IW from MDN/backports is very easy though, we can help you... do what you want though
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13:13<scontini>hi all
13:14<ribe>retrospectacus, you are right, I should focus on fixing the errors, but I am limited in time now and I will try it again another time....
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13:14<retrospectacus>ribe: just carefully follow the steps on the website and it will work
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13:16<scontini>someone can explain me why 'apt-get install <package name>' propose a different sets of reccomends compared to the set I got with 'aptitute install -r <package name' ?
13:16<ribe>retrospectacus, I am a NON-power desktop user.... youĺl be amazed how much I have learned and how far I have come since I started using Debian...
13:17<retrospectacus>ribe: that's good. Knowing how computers work is a very useful skill
13:18<ribe>retrospectacus, I am a photographer, computers are a tool of the trade and Debian is my OS of choice (five years now) DONT LAUGH
13:19<ribe>retrospectacus, thanks so much for your help!
13:19<retrospectacus>ribe: ..laugh? You're welcome.
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13:23<cybes>hi ..i'm struggling with my audio controller ..please anyone help
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13:24<cybes>my lspci and lshw is showing intel cougar point but ..the card0 in /proc shows IDT audio codec ..what to do...
13:25<retrospectacus>cybes: paste the line of the card from "lspci -nn" here
13:25<TCW>cybes, cat /proc/asound/cards and paste that to a paste service like
13:25<cybes>pls wait
13:25<TCW>cybes, do both (what retrospectacus and me said)
13:25<cybes>00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge DRAM Controller [8086:0104] (rev 09)
13:25<cybes>00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge PCI Express Root Port [8086:0101] (rev 09)
13:25<cybes>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0126] (rev 09)
13:25<cybes>00:16.0 Communication controller [0780]: Intel Corporation Cougar Point HECI Controller #1 [8086:1c3a] (rev 04)
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13:26<Pitxyoki>TobiX: Finally reported upstream:
13:26<TCW>"use a paste service" really hard...
13:26<retrospectacus>one of those non-reading guys eh
13:26<Pitxyoki>Thanks for breaking my inertia for reporting this.
13:27<Pitxyoki>Now that I check this, I'm having glitches like this for at least two years.
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13:29<cybes>sorry i've paste it in pstelink\
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13:29<cybes>retro...and TCW
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13:30<retrospectacus>cybes: patience... we're volunteers. Paste also what TCW said - the /proc/asound/cards
13:30<cybes>cybes asks help from retrospective and TCW
13:31<cybes>yeah i've done and the link is that above
13:31<cybes>the other link for second command cat/proc
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13:32<cybes>please would you please help me out
13:32<retrospectacus>cybes: yes, good. Now be patient
13:32<cybes>yeh cool
13:32<cybes>thanks dude
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13:34<cybes>cybes is in his last moments of the day 11.10 pm
13:34<jbb>cybes why do you talk in third person :p
13:34<cybes>and is hoping to get the sound of his debian
13:34<cybes>sorry..i just used that as an emote..jbb
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13:35<jbb>hehe use /me *something*
13:35<cybes>me a newbie here(hows that
13:35<cybes>cybes loves debian
13:35<scontini>someone can explain me why 'apt-get install <package name>' propose a different sets of reccomends compared to the set I got with 'aptitude install --with-reccomends <package name' ?
13:36<TCW>cybes, looks fine from what I can tell. dpkg -l alsa\*
13:36<cybes>oh great
13:36<cybes>should i run the command dpkg?
13:37<TCW>if you know what it does, yes. If not, learn what it does first
13:37<cybes>but i've already installed alsa
13:37<cybes>the newer version
13:37<cybes>and its utils and libs
13:37<TCW>cybes, ok, you do not know what dpkg -l alsa\* means, learn what it does
13:38<cybes>please tell me TCW
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13:38<TCW>cybes, please read the manpage of dpkg
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13:40<cybes>yeha TCW i've listed ...
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13:41<cybes>the "alsa" itself doesn't show any version info it says "none"
13:42<cybes>TCW, what to do next
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13:42<siddy>best wifi hardware option/solution? card or usb?
13:42<siddy>and 2nd question... which chipset? atheros or realtek?
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13:43<TCW>siddy, personal choice would be atherosmPCI
13:43<TCW>atheros mPCI even
13:43<cybes>siddy..i'll suggest atheros...but don't know its specs and all...i know some laptop vendors provide atheros
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13:44<TCW>cybes, how did you test sound?
13:44<cybes>i played a .mp3 file
13:44<siddy>what is mPCI?
13:44<siddy>oh, micro?
13:44<cybes>using rhythm box o
13:44<siddy>can you get that for a desktop?
13:44<siddy>oh yeah
13:44<TCW>siddy, ah... your talking about a desktop? Then PCI
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13:45<cybes>TCW, and movieplayer too
13:45<TCW>but USB would be easier to find and probaly cheaper and would work nevertheless. I just don't like external stuff when internal stuff works.
13:45<cybes>me wonders retrospectus is busy
13:45<TCW>cybes, install mplayer and try that
13:46<cybes>ok dude
13:46<siddy>TCW: yes
13:46<TCW>cybes, it is a console tool, use it as: mplayer /path/to/files/musik.mp3
13:46<siddy>I have bad experiences with wifi usb hardware
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13:46<siddy>I don't know if things are better now but my usb wifi hardware would drop connections
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13:47<TCW>cybes, oh... and check the mixer settings with alsamixer. Any channel muted?
13:47<cybes>nope all channels ON
13:47<retrospectacus>!alsa checklist
13:47<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
13:47<TCW>siddy, that could be bad USB-connection or bad card, but in general it should not matter.
13:48<retrospectacus>cybes: check those things ^^
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13:49<magnetophon> /msg bots NOT people
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13:51<siddy>TCW: you don't think you have to worry about usb hubs and such?
13:51<siddy>because of so much hardware connected via usb?
13:51<siddy>I thought a dedicated route to the hardware might be better but I dunno...
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13:51<siddy>no expert by any means
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13:51<siddy>I had a zd1211 chipset wifi adapter (Belkin) but it was wireless 'g'
13:51<siddy>now, most are 'n'
13:53<TCW>siddy, USB was designed that way. SO if the hardware does not suck, it should work
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13:53<TCW>but yes, PCI cards minimize the possible pitfalls
13:53<siddy>what about PCI-e?
13:54<cybes>how list alsa users..dpkg\
13:54<cybes>TCW i've installed mplay but command not found when in terminal
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13:56<retrospectacus>cybes: type /msg dpkg list alsa users to send the irc robot a message. He will reply in a new window /tab
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13:56<retrospectacus>cybes: you can say many things to him in that message window, he knows a *lot* about all things debian
13:56<TCW>cybes, "mplayer"!
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13:57<retrospectacus>cybes: when you are using the terminal, press TAB a lot. It will automatically complete paths and commands (or offer possible completions)
13:57<cybes>TCW..i've installed mplayer but terminal command "mplayer not found"
13:58<cybes>and now in synaptic package its gone
13:58<TCW>cybes, dpkg -l mplayer; ls -l /usr/bin/mplayer; paste all that
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14:00<cybes>retrospectus:i've typed dpkg list"nothing happened
14:01<TCW>cybes, and if you enter "mplayer" in a terminal, you get file not found?
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14:01<retrospectacus>cybes: now try mplayer /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
14:01<retrospectacus>cybes: dpkg is (also) a robot in this channel. You can send him messages in IRC. That's what I was talking about.
14:02<TCW>or... he did not actually use /path/to/files/musik.mp3 literally?
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14:03<cybes>yeah mplayer is working but no sound
14:03<cybes>and EOF
14:03<cybes>i don't know what to do
14:03<cybes>some of these steps i've tried earlier but in vain
14:04<cybes>but there should be some fix right?i hhope so
14:04<TCW>cybes, paste the output of "amixer"
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14:05<cybes>retrospectus:what is /tab of irc bot
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14:06<retrospectacus>cybes: it depends what irc client program you are using
14:06<cybes>dpkg list
14:06<dpkg>cybes: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
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14:07<retrospectacus>talk to the robot in a private message using the /msg command like I said. "list" is not a useful command for you
14:07<cybes>how did now the dpkg triggerd or is this human?
14:07<EZmoney>PCM volume has no efffect? simple mixer control 'PCM',0
14:07<retrospectacus>that's the robot I've been talking about...
14:07<cybes>guys will i come back here after this will you all be here
14:07<cybes>or for just now only
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14:08<retrospectacus>someone will be here
14:08<cybes>what about you?
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14:08<retrospectacus>sometimes I am here...
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14:08<retrospectacus>cybes: when you come back just ask, don't look for us
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14:09<cybes>i think my time is getting late and my parents are scolding me...any fix dudes
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14:09<TCW>yes, we are all here, always, sitting in fron of our computers and stare in our IRC client. 47 hours, 7 days of the wekk, 52 weeks a year... we never sleep, we never eat...
14:09<cybes>me got less time
14:09<TCW>24 hours even
14:10<cybes>sorry TCW, retrospectus...i meant no offense..i just asked you guys thats it
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14:10<TCW>cybes, how should anyone know if he is around the next time you join?
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14:10<cybes>i'm an indian and sorry i'm having bad english
14:10<retrospectacus>your English is good
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14:11<TCW>yeah, your english is good enough, really
14:12<cybes>i meant can i login with the same name or you guys with same name...can i register here anything sort of like that
14:13<retrospectacus>yes, /msg nickserv help
14:13<retrospectacus>though it's reasonably unlikely that someone will take your name
14:15<TCW>yes, oftc (the irc net you are currently connected to) supports registering nicks... but even if not, we should remember you
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14:16<cybes>thanks TCW, retrospectacus
14:17<cybes>any thing about solution guys
14:17<retrospectacus>cybes: does your computer have HDMI?
14:18<cybes>mine is a laptop
14:18<cybes>DEll vostro 3550
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14:18<cybes>retrospectacus, TCW...i gotta run guys
14:19<cybes>thanks for all the help
14:19<retrospectacus>see ya
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14:19<jbleau>Hey all, I'm on a new Debian install on a Lenovo Ideapad Z580. I'm trying to get wireless working. LSPCI shows that the wireless chipset is an intel one, device ID 0891. I see that this device is listed as supported under wheezy here:
14:19<cybes>i'll be back tommorow...for the same solution...hope you guys will be here
14:19<cybes>thanks again..
14:19<cybes>C YA
14:19<jbleau>I've tried installing both weezy and squeeze versions of thosep ackages, and after I attempt to initialize the module with modprobe it never shows up in iwconfig.
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14:20<jbleau>Any ideas?
14:20<retrospectacus>jbleau: does it show up in ''ifconfig -a'' (wlan0 or so)?
14:20<jbleau>eth0, lo, and pan0 (bluetooth I think)
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14:21<retrospectacus>yes bluetooth
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14:21<mustansir>Hello everybody
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14:22<retrospectacus>jbleau: what version of debian are you running and is that the centrino Wireless N 2200?
14:22<retrospectacus>hi mustansir
14:23<jbleau>retrospectacus, latest version (6.0.6) and let me check
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14:24<retrospectacus>jbleau: run ''lspci -nn'' and paste the line for the wireless adapter here please
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14:24<retrospectacus>jbleau: that's squeeze, so how exactly did you "tried installing both weezy and squeeze versions of thosep ackages"
14:24<jbleau>04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:0891] (rev c4)
14:24<jbleau>intel device 0891, and yes it appears to be
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14:25<jbleau>the intell centrino wireless n 2200BGN
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14:25<jbleau>I added wheezy non free to sources and installed firmware-iwlwifi, which says supports that chipset
14:26<retrospectacus>jbleau: you will need also a kernel newer than 2.6.39
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14:26<retrospectacus>!tell jbleau about bpo kernel
14:26<jbleau>the one shipping with latest debian stable wont support it?
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14:26<om>hi! i need an email client expert
14:26<retrospectacus>om: just ask your question
14:27<jbleau>retrospectacus, appreciate it.
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14:30<om>i need an email client that supports the address book (which anyone does) AND { creates a subfolder in my Inbox folder for every entry in my address book, so that emails from Alice go to the "Alice" folder, Bob's emails go to the folder "Bob" OR a simliar feature, that separates the emails in the inbox folder that comes from Alice, Bob, Charlie, etc... } (and this last one is the one i think it's hard to find...) Any clues?
14:32<dioz>holy shit
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14:33<om>and also, any clues about how to tell this in a shorter version? XD i do not even know how to search for that on google xD has that kind of "feature" a name?
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14:33<dioz>any client should be able to do that
14:33<dioz>you'll just need to configure it
14:34<om>Evolution as well?
14:34<planetmaker>om, any client has a sort capability... But might need quite some config
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14:34<om>ok planetmaker , so I think I'll simplify the problem if i say that currently i'm trying evolution
14:35<om>btw thanks for the answer
14:35<planetmaker>icedove should do at least, if you set filters right
14:35<planetmaker>which is a bit too much PITA for me, I have to add
14:36<om>ooohh, wait
14:36<om>you named the filters
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14:38<om>i already knew about em :D aaand... i'd have liked a sort of automatic filter based on my address book... otherwise this is what i've been doing the last night (...=_=...): create a folder for called "Alice"; create a filter that moves all the emails from "" to the appropriate folder; do this for the other 20-30-40 addresses......
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14:40<om>what i need is a "script" that creates the corresponding folder for every contact in my address book and automatically moves their emails to the right places
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14:40<om>is this a common feature or is it still sci-fi? :D
14:41<retrospectacus>never heard of anything that does that but it sounds possible
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14:42<om>it sounds pretty possible to me too. And i'm a programmer myself, but had never written anything big
14:42<om>so, I'm kinda interested writing a plugin y myself for implementing this very function, buuuut.... atm i have to follow university lectures
14:43<om>and their energy expansive
14:43<om>they are*
14:43<retrospectacus>read ?
14:44<om>ok, retrospectacus
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14:48<om>ho ym hsoog !!! you gave me paradise, retrospectacus! :D i'm going deep into that.
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14:48<retrospectacus>ho ym hsoog right back at ya
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14:52<jbleau>retrospectacus, aw, no luck :) I'm now on 3.2
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14:55<retrospectacus>jbleau: so you are *running* kernel 3.2 (check uname -a) and have installed the package firmware-iwlwifi
14:55<retrospectacus>but still no wlan0 in ''ifconfig -a'' ?
14:56<retrospectacus>run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-iwlwifi" please
14:56<jbleau>I have, its up to date, allow me to reboot actually
14:56<retrospectacus>jbleau: I hope you removed that line for wheezy from your sources.list
14:56<jbleau>of course
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14:56<jbleau>;) brb
14:56<retrospectacus>ya you need to boot into the new kernel
14:57<jbleau>I am booted into it, but I haven't rebooted since reinstalling the firmware, going to see if that matters.
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15:03<jbleau>retrospectacus, three errors in dmesg regarding iwlwifi
15:03<sney>errors or warnings
15:04<niba>sorry, if this is not the right channel: but how do I know which filetype a disk is? I have broken NAS drive (firmware update crashed), which I have now on a usb cradle. But I can't mount it. I'm trying "mount -t ext2 /dev/disk1s6 /mnt" but with no luck.
15:04<jbleau>sney, I'm not certain, I suppose
15:05<jbleau>for your sanity:
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15:06<Patagonicus>niba: You can try file -s /dev/disk1s6, it may recognize the filesystem
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15:07<jbleau>and my sources:
15:07<niba>Patagonius: /dev/disk1s6: SGI XFS filesystem data (blksz 4096, inosz 256, v2 dirs)
15:07<Patagonicus>niba: Looks like XFS to me ;)
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15:08<sney>jbleau: odd, those firmware files don't seem to be present in any debian packages :/
15:08<niba>Patagonius: which my os x won't support. great :)
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15:09<niba>Patagonius: thanks :) i'll install a linux on my vm tomorrow
15:10<jbleau>sney, hm. Perhaps I should have stuck with Ubuntu. Unfortunately, it seems like support for my video card (630M) is relatively new, and is not supported out of the box either.
15:10<Patagonicus>niba: A live CD like GRML should work too. Just have the VM boot from it without having a hdd and active USB pass through.
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15:11<niba>Patagonius: ok, i'll give it a try
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15:12<sney>jbleau: well, if you can find the firmware .ucode files it's asking for elsewhere, and drop them into /lib/firmware manually it should let your wifi work
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15:15<Mmang>anyone home?
15:16<Mmang>somebody anybody!
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15:16<babilen>Mmang: Do you need help with anything?
15:16<Mmang>grub and truecrypt
15:17<babilen>!tell Mmang -about smart questions
15:17<Patagonicus>Mmang: Let me guess: Truecrypt encrypted Windows C:-drive you want to boot via grub?
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15:18<Mmang>linux distro but yeah ntfs ftl
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15:18<Mmang>or unionfs?
15:19<Mmang>what is unionfs anyway? ram drive or something?
15:19<Patagonicus>Mmang: I don't think I know what you want to do.
15:19<Patagonicus>Mmang: unionfs just merges folders together, it doesn't store files by itself
15:19<Mmang>um let say / is at /dev/sdb2
15:20<Mmang>and grub is at /dev/sdb1
15:20<Mmang>i want a prompt for decryption on boot
15:21<jbleau>sney, I resolved it. You were right.
15:21<jbleau>I pulled down the latest linux-firmware from and moved the .ucode into /lib/firmware.
15:21<jbleau>It worked immediately.
15:22<Patagonicus>So you want to encrypt your /? Truecrypt can't do that, you'll have to use cryptsetup/luks. GRUB legacy doesn't support booting from encrypted partitions, so you'll have to have a separate /boot-partition and a ramdisk that asks for the password and decrypts /. I have no idea what the prefered way to create a initramfs for debian is, though.
15:22<jbleau>sney, Thank you. :)
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15:22<sney>jbleau: no problem
15:22<EmleyMoor>What's a good IMAP mail (and ideally news) client, not Thunderbird/Icedove?
15:22<Patagonicus>EmleyMoor: I use offlineimap + mutt.
15:23<EmleyMoor>Patagonicus: mutt's OK-ish I guess
15:23<Mmang>i just ordered a rasberry pi anyone else have one?
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15:23<sney>I'm using one for my irc bouncer. but that's not really a support question, hardware chat can go to #debian-offtopic
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15:24<Mmang>looking forward to getting it tho
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15:55<vagvaf>why do i get a warning that my pulse-audio is configured in per-user session, while at the same time it is not recommend it to have it configured system wide?
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16:48<handschuh>hi there, I would like to somehow coordinate the creation of android related packages for debian and therefore I would like to ask for the best way on how to achieve this. thanks.
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16:51<dondelelcaro>handschuh: generally speaking, talk to existing packagers of android-related software and see if they would like to join up
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16:51<dondelelcaro>handschuh: otherwise, just get started, and post on debian-devel@ldo to announce what you're doing.
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16:52<handschuh>dondelelcaro: the first part I already did so I will also try the second one. thanks for letting me know
16:54<dondelelcaro>handschuh: np
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16:54<dondelelcaro>handschuh: you might also try asking on #debian-devel; someone there might know more about android packages. [I use them, but don't know much about any packaging effort involving them.]
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16:56<handschuh>dondelelcaro: this is also a good idea. actually the android packaging is not as nice as it sounds since the files distributed around several repositories
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16:59<dondelelcaro>handschuh: yeah, and their build system sucks... I've written my own makefiles for it before
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17:18<eightyeight>OT: NIST announces Keccak as the SHA3 winner:
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17:19<retrospectacus>eightyeight: there is another channel for OT
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17:20<eightyeight>retrospectacus: thx
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17:42<samnob>So I have x-www-browser and gnome-www-browser set to iceweasel. sensible-browser pops iceweasel. Why does clicking links in gnome-terminal open epiphany?
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17:44<retrospectacus>double-clicking links in gnome-terminal doesn't do anything for me (except select the word, copying it into the X buffer)
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17:44<debdog>samnob: maybe that refers to /etc/alternatives/www-browser
17:45<samnob>well, right-click "open"
17:45<samnob>isn't that like elinks?
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17:45<debdog>oops, x-www-browser
17:46<samnob>Yeah, I have that and /etc/alternatives/gnome-www-browser configured for iceweasel.
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17:46<retrospectacus>how about the Preferred Applications control panel, what's that have selected?
17:47<samnob>Hmm, I don't know what that is.
17:47<samnob>I mean I've seen it in gnome et al.
17:47<samnob>does it have a binary?
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17:48<retrospectacus>yeah, it's in the system - preferences meny
17:48<samnob>Yeah I guess I don't have it.
17:49<samnob>this is on wheezy, running mostly awesome window manager. and most of gnome installed but not used.
17:49<retrospectacus>ah. Squeeze here
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17:49<samnob>what's dpkg -S /usr/bin/gnome-default-applications-properties give you?
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17:53<samnob>Well I have that, but no application applet in there. Probably pretty different in gnome3 though.
17:53<samnob>ugh, out of battery.
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17:55<samnob>It's happening on my new machine, and I'm migrating pieces of ~/.* in a few at time. Maybe I'l find the right one.
17:55<samnob>After I find a psu...
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17:59<retrospectacus>samnob: you could try the Wheezy channel: #debian-next
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18:35<samnob>oh cool. thanks retrospectacus
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18:37<retrospectacus>you're welcome
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18:42<acu>I need to go into a debian machine through an ssh - DRAC5 Dell Remote Access Controller 5 - and I got only a $ sign at the prompt - was I only in DRAC and needed to do some extra commands to get in the Debian ?
18:42<abrotman>acu: hostname -f
18:42<abrotman>i mean, if you look for Debian tools, i doubt the DRAC has those tools
18:43<daemonkeeper>acu: You cannot access the Debian (host shell) through DRAC unless you enable the serial console in Debian.
18:43<daemonkeeper>You can use the video output however, which works independent of the operating system.
18:45<acu>daemonkeeper: so I can have a vino vnc access to it you mean - I am remote and got a username and password - supposed to be at the machine with debian - but I got only $ - so it means I was still in DRAC -- so someone locally there should enable serial console in debian - then
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18:48<acu>daemonkeeper, so they need to change grub to have serial consol into it and /etc/innittab >
18:48<acu>what happen with freenode - is it occupied or something - could not get into freenode
18:48<daemonkeeper>acu: You need to enable the serial console in Debian (+ grub). This gives you access from grub and beyond. If you completely b0rked your system you need to use the remote video display (use your browser and point it to the DRAC)
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18:52<acu>Ok, I thought I am out
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18:57<RDMDD>Hi, I noticed this line in my dmesg : [ 5.372022] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: failed to get i915 symbols, graphics turbo disabled. Deos anyone know what this is?
19:00<sney>maybe related to that intel shadow buffer thing that I can't remember the factoid name for
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19:31<acu>hey guys - is the freenode down ?
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19:33<retrospectacus>acu: it's fine
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19:33<sney>acu: freenode is up but your connection seems to have a problem
19:34<ratnick>I got an Aptitude Warning: Duplicate sources.list entry
19:34<acu>yes - the connection is acting up
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19:34<babilen>ratnick: Could you paste your sources.list too?
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19:39<ratnick> sources.list
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19:39<babilen>ratnick: 7, 19 and 21 contains entries for "main" and 19 and 21 are identical
19:40<ratnick>So which to delete?
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19:40<babilen>!tell ratnick -about make squeeze sources.list
19:40<babilen>!tell ratnick -about make
19:40<babilen>ratnick: Well, you can definitely merge some of them (so they end in "main contrib non-free") but I would personally recommend to use the sources dpkg just told you about
19:41<ratnick>ok. thanks.
19:42<kam>babilen: how it is you are the most helpful user here? ;]
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19:42<sney>did you correct the tell in a query
19:42<kam>and you are probably always here to help
19:43<sney>babilen is an impoverished student of some sort so he never goes out.
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19:43<abrotman>maybe he likes all the free beer he gets?
19:44<babilen>sney: And no, I didn't. Pity, but can't be helped now.
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20:29<milk>hellos. i'm looking to install vim 7.3, but it's not in squeeze-backports. what method should i be trying to achieve this instead?
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20:30<retrospectacus>,checkbackport vim
20:30<judd>Backporting package vim in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual.
20:30<retrospectacus>,checkbackport vim-common
20:30<judd>Backporting package vim-common in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual.
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20:32<retrospectacus>milk: uh. It might be harder than it looks, but it appears you could make yourself a deb for it ^^ type /msg dpkg ssb for directions
20:34<milk>oh cripes, it's yak shavin time!
20:34<milk>retrospectacus: thanks :)
20:34<retrospectacus>,checkbackport vim-tiny
20:34<judd>Backporting package vim-tiny in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual.
20:35<retrospectacus>milk: have fun!
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21:34<User_007>Hello, where can i find what AQM algorithm am i using?
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22:52<jbleau>I have a touchpad where the buttons are also a part of the pad itself, and it's natural for me to rest my finger on the 'button' part of the pad while moving with another finger, in the standard linux touchpad drivers this doesn't work, as the cursor doesn't move at all.
22:52<jbleau>Does anyone know of any touchpad drivers that would be better serving in this situation?
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23:03<samnob>that may be controllable via synclient or a gui like tpconfig
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23:50<blackboxcoder>Hello Debian friends
23:53<blackboxcoder>i've got a little question: i want to mount a network harddrive at the start on the system. the command-line does I know. but how can I make this as a service or something else
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23:54<blackboxcoder>so that this command always start with sudo?
23:54<theo_>Some advice pls: Can I install Linux on an atom eee pc netbook? Is this a good combination?
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23:56<theo_>hello daniel :_)
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