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00:10<paulie1989>Hello, good evening, greetings from Honduras
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00:14<mjrosenb_>paulie1989: morning.
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02:10<bones_was_here>hi guys, i need to log changes to a NAS/fileserver because some accounts are being abused by unauthorised users (typically rm -rf *)
02:10<bones_was_here>it seems that auditd can do this, but only if provided with a ruleset including every syscall that can create, modify or delete files/dirs
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02:11<bones_was_here>i would like a hand with this because i'm only able to guess and google to create the syscall list, also apparently the open syscall can be used to both create and read files, which is most inconvenient as i have no reason to waste resources logging reads/execs
02:13<ectospasm>I thought read() is always called before exec()...
02:13<bones_was_here>ectospasm: do you know if i need to log open()?
02:14<ectospasm>unfortunately, no
02:14<ectospasm>I don't know much about syscalls
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02:17<bones_was_here>audit's documentation seems quite sparse, by reading some opensuse draft pages i came up with this list, and would love if someone can confirm these are all the file modification syscalls
02:17<bones_was_here>(chmod fchmod chown fchown lchown) (creat open truncate ftruncate) (mkdir rmdir) (unlink rename link symlink) (setxattr lsetxattr fsetxattr removexattr lremovexattr fremovexattr) (mknod)
02:19<jm_>bones_was_here: open will truncate the file if called with the right flags
02:19<bones_was_here>damn :(
02:19<uju>hi guys ! debian sqz qtsdk1.2.1 bin gives segmentation fault any clues
02:20<bones_was_here>the logs on this machine are on SSDs so i guess those are gonna get _hammered_
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02:22<bones_was_here>so far i havn't come up with a clean way to log file modifications that doesn't involve hacking the kernel :(
02:22<ectospasm>bones_was_here: tripwire isn't good enough for you?
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02:23<ectospasm>I mean, it *IS* an IDS
02:23<ectospasm>...won't prevent squat, but at least you'll know what files changed, and possibly how they changed.
02:24<bones_was_here>ectospasm: tripwire doesn't come close to solving my 'who deleted this thing off the server' issue
02:24<ectospasm>good point
02:25<ectospasm>...and tripwire is supposedly only for files that don't change often
02:25<ectospasm>...not for user-writable files
02:25<Thorgrin>bones_was_here: If you suspect they are doing it from command line, just create /bin/rm binary that works as bash rm AND logs its usage
02:26<Thorgrin>would that help?
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02:26<bones_was_here>i doubt they're using the command line, but if they are they're probably using their laptop's /bin/rm rather than the server's
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02:27<Thorgrin>you are talking about NAS, I did not see it
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02:30<Thorgrin>have you tried auditd ?
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02:30<ectospasm>Thorgrin: he's already mentioned auditd
02:30<bones_was_here>please read above ;)
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02:32<bones_was_here>auditd would be great if it could notice activity inside newly created directories without being restarted (i believe listing all the syscalls would work around this)
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02:32<bones_was_here>inotify would be great if it had any clue who or even what pid made the change
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02:35<Thorgrin>you can always set cron to look for new directories periodically and add new rules using auditctl
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02:37<bones_was_here>i could if it wouldn't consume all disk IO ;) solutions that poll or scan the files aren't an option, the NAS disks are regular 7200krpm
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02:41<Thorgrin>how do the users access the filesystem?
02:42<Thorgrin>NFS, FTP, SSH?
02:42<ectospasm>NFS, IIRC
02:43<Thorgrin>would not it be possible to hack the nfs daemon then?
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02:44<Thorgrin>using LD_PRELOAD for instance
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02:46<bones_was_here>i was after a solution that didn't involve hacking the system :p
02:46<bones_was_here>though given there doesn't seem to be one, i suppose that must be how other companies do this (the ones that use linux NASes that is)
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02:49<jm_>bones_was_here: how about something like this
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02:56<ivanov11>hi @ll :)
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02:57<bones_was_here>hmm, that looks like it will work only for NFS, but that should still catch whoever's currently causing us grief
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03:03<bones_was_here>hmmm doesn't seem to log anything about who it was though
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03:04<bones_was_here>its also not logging anything for eg moving a bunch of files into ~/.Trash (mac clients)
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03:09<bones_was_here>looks like i could get -most- of what happens over nfs by writing something to parse the debug output (and look up the file handles somehow)
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03:11<jm_>maybe you also need the mount call to identify who mounted it
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03:18<bones_was_here>fh_compose seems to be getting called with the username string and inode in its arguments, i guess i could correlate that with inotify output to find what happened to that inode
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03:20<MAriotto>sudo /load .xchat2/
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03:27<anvesh>need help
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03:28<anvesh>new to linux
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03:29<anvesh>want to install debian on windowa 7 pc on same hard drive
03:29<anvesh>can any one help?
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03:29<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
03:30<mjrosenb_>anvesh: so you want to dual boot your machine?
03:31<anvesh>my windows partition is not recogniced by linus partition tools while booting
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03:31<anvesh>yes i want to dual boot
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03:32<mjrosenb_>anvesh: if the partition isn't recognized, you likely have bigger problems
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03:33<mjrosenb_>anvesh: more likely is that your file system isn't recognized
03:33<mjrosenb_>anvesh: do you know for sure that the partition isn't recognized?
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03:34<anvesh>@mjrosenb_ : yes i'm
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03:35<anvesh>@mjrosenb_ : i am tryin to send you apic
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03:35<mjrosenb_>anvesh: fyi, @ is generally not used on irc.
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03:36<anvesh>mjrosenb_ : i'm new
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03:36<mjrosenb_>anvesh: you're using the debian terminal based installer?
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03:36<mjrosenb_>anvesh: it is ok, everyone was new at some point or other.
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03:37<Areckx>Hello I just installed Debian 6.0.6 with netinstall
03:37<Areckx>I am unable to connect to wifi
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03:37<anvesh>mjrosenb_ : i sent you a screenshot
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03:37<anvesh>mjrosenb_ can you look at it
03:37<Areckx>I just switched from ubuntu 10.04 so this feels a little weird, but I think I can get used to it and move on, I can setup the ambiance theme later on
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03:38<mjrosenb_>anvesh: how did you send me a screenshot?
03:38<anvesh>mjrosenb_ send flie option
03:39<cindy>anybody help me??
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03:39<Areckx>also does anyone know a good tutorial/page with help for people like me who are switching from ubuntu to debian? I use gnome
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03:41<mjrosenb_>Areckx: i've found that they are more or less indistinguishable
03:41<Areckx>mjrosenb_, well that's not an issue for now, right now I need to configure my wifi, I have googled debian 6 wifi several times and no solutions are helping
03:41<mjrosenb_>anvesh: that did not do anything. I recommend posting it to some site that has image sharing options
03:41<mjrosenb_>Areckx: is the card detected?
03:41<jm_>Areckx: which wifi card?
03:41<Areckx>anvesh, like
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03:42<Areckx>jm_, mjrosenb_ should I lspci?
03:42<jm_>Areckx: depends on card type, but if it's PCI, lspci -nn would be better
03:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
03:42<jm_>anvesh: see above for pic pasting
03:42<mjrosenb_>Areckx: or just ifconfig -a will tell us if the card was detected.
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03:43<mjrosenb_>jm_: does dpkg not have an option to direct its output at a particular user?
03:43<jm_>mjrosenb_: it does, but since several people mentioned it (and different sites), I opted for everyone to see it
03:44<Areckx>E: Unable to locate package ifconfig
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03:44<mjrosenb_>Areckx: it had damn well better be installed already
03:45<anvesh>jm_: as said i'm new i dont even probably know how to use this xchat too ,, learning nw...
03:45<mjrosenb_>Areckx: it may be in /sbin
03:45<jm_>anvesh: try putting the pic on or some similar site
03:45<Areckx>mjrosenb_, ?
03:45<jm_>Areckx: ifconfig is a command name, not a package name - you most likely already have it installed
03:45<Areckx>bash: ifconfig: command not found
03:45<mjrosenb_>Areckx: ifconfig is neces... yes, what jm_ said
03:45<MAriotto> /budus macro xdcc s keyword
03:46<mjrosenb_>Areckx: /sbin/ifconfig -a
03:47<anvesh>jm_: just pasted
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03:47<jm_>anvesh: we need the URL
03:47<jm_>the site told you the URL
03:47<deavid>There's any way to open a program as root in a xOrg display of a user? (manually, without using sudo) (i'm connected to the box with ssh, and i need to know also the active displays)
03:47<Areckx>I still like this one better than pastebin :: mjrosenb_
03:47<anvesh>jm_: my windows partiiton is not visible
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03:48<Areckx>this has to be the absolutely worst part about linux... but once it's done it's set so it's okay I guess
03:49<jm_>!tell deavid -about runstuffasroot
03:49<mjrosenb_>Areckx: ok, it sounds like your wireless card is at least being detected.
03:49<Areckx>mjrosenb_, how come it is unable to connect or scan?
03:49<anvesh>jm_: what can i do so that i wont loose my windows which is on same hard disk
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03:49<mjrosenb_>anvesh: can you open a terminal, and run "ls /dev/sd*" without the quotes?
03:49<Areckx>the switch is on, it is an I/O switch and it is set to I
03:50<Areckx>Dell Insprion 1720 for the record
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03:50<mjrosenb_>Areckx: can you run iwlist scan, and give the output of that?
03:50<anvesh>mjrosenb_ : i am using xchat on windows.. i have no linux installed systems
03:50<jm_>anvesh: interesting, press ctrl-alt-f2 to go to tty2 (ctrl-alt-f1 or maybe f7/f8 to get back to installer) and get a shell, then check what kernel detected: dmesg | grep 'sd.:'
03:50<mjrosenb_>Areckx: you probably need to be root to run that.
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03:51<Areckx>command not found
03:51<mjrosenb_>anvesh: how did you get that screenshot?
03:51<Calinou><Areckx> Hello I just installed Debian 6.0.6 with netinstall
03:51<Calinou><Areckx> I am unable to connect to wifi
03:51<Calinou>wifi victim...
03:51<Calinou>same thing happens on my laptop 8)
03:51<anvesh>used a cam
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03:52<anvesh>mjrosenb_: used a cam
03:52<mjrosenb_>anvesh: right, well it looks like that machine booted into gnome, so you shuold be able to start a terminal once you've booted.
03:52<jm_>it's a graphical installer
03:52<Areckx>also CTRL-alt-T is not opening terminal...
03:52<Areckx>this is a fresh install I don't know why this has to be so annoying...
03:53<anvesh>its a grafphical installer
03:53<mjrosenb_>Areckx: well, it certainly looks like the wireless card is doing something
03:53<Areckx>ubuntu started acting funny so I made the switch but now it's being annoying lol
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03:53<Areckx>if Debian is so advanced, how come it can't work after a fresh install!?!?!?!
03:54<Areckx>this is insane
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03:54<ectospasm>Areckx: um... are you talking about squeeze, on *new* hardware??
03:54<Calinou>ectospasm: wheezy doesn't work for me on my laptop too
03:54<Areckx>this is a dell inspiron 1720 it is from 2007 or earlier
03:54<Calinou>I bet he just needs non-free firmware :/
03:54<Areckx>I added non-free to my source
03:54<ectospasm>Calinou: nor will sid, for the time being...
03:54<jm_>that's why I asked which wifi card is to give him instructions ...
03:55<mjrosenb_>Calinou: yeah, that is my guess.
03:55<Calinou>Areckx: you need to be _able_ to download it
03:55<Calinou>I can't even use ethernet on my laptop, btw 8)
03:55<Calinou>I bet even ethernet needs firmware
03:55<jm_>some rtl8169 cards need firmware
03:55<Areckx> for the record source.list
03:55<ectospasm>Calinou: depends on the hardware, really
03:55<anvesh>jm_: i dont want to loose my dos... while installing new linux but the hard disk in partiiton disk tools of linux boot shows entire disk as free space
03:55<mjrosenb_>altohugh usually you can't scan if you don't have the firmware?
03:55<ectospasm>may need to sneakernet it on there
03:55<jm_>anvesh: yes, that's why I want to see what kernel thinks
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03:55<mjrosenb_>Areckx: you still need to install the firmware, even after you've added the sources for it.
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03:56<Areckx>00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub [8086:2a00] (rev 0c)
03:56<Areckx>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a02] (rev 0c)
03:56<Areckx>00:02.1 Display controller [0380]: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a03] (rev 0c)
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03:56<mjrosenb_>anvesh: that is why you should re-boot into the graphical installer environment, and open a terminal, so we can help you while you are inside of linux.
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03:56<Areckx>00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 02)
03:56<Areckx>00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 1 [8086:283f] (rev 02)
03:56<Areckx>00:1c.1 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 2 [8086:2841] (rev 02)
03:56<Areckx>00:1c.3 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 4 [8086:2845] (rev 02)
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03:56<Areckx>00:1d.0 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 [8086:2830] (rev 02)
03:56<Areckx>00:1d.1 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 [8086:2831] (rev 02)
03:56<Areckx>00:1d.2 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 [8086:2832] (rev 02)
03:56<Areckx>00:1d.7 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 [8086:2836] (rev 02)
03:57<jm_>yay for pasting
03:57<Areckx>00:1e.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge [8086:2448] (rev f2)
03:57<Areckx>00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation 82801HEM (ICH8M) LPC Interface Controller [8086:2815] (rev 02)
03:57<Areckx>00:1f.1 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) IDE Controller [8086:2850] (rev 02)
03:57<mjrosenb_>should he get kicked again?
03:57<Areckx>00:1f.2 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) SATA IDE Controller [8086
03:57<Areckx>damn ctrl c...
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03:57<dpkg>The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports Intel 3945 ABG, 4965 AGN and several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at . See also <iwlegacy>.
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03:57<jm_>Areckx: ^^^^
03:58<anvesh>mjrosenb_: i will do tat..
03:58<Areckx>so I type sudo apt-get install iwl4965?
03:58<mjrosenb_>4965 is from 2007?
03:58<Areckx>by the way I already googled and installed firmware...
03:58<jm_>no, go to the wifi page and follow instructions
03:58<Areckx>before I came here
03:58<deavid>jm_: i want something fairly more complicated than "running X as root".... i'm asking to forge the user's credentials and run an app in his display; i want to get the xrandr output for his display.... i don't know if that's possible.
03:59<XReaper>Eww xchat
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04:00<XReaper>Areckx: may i tempt you to try hexchat? (an xchat fork... might need to be compiled from source... ... ....)
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04:00<Areckx>I like xchat
04:00<Areckx>anyway I already followed the wiki and I am still unable to connect
04:00<Areckx>this is why I'm here
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04:01<anvesh>jm_: what shud i check for once i start the kernel
04:01<Areckx>this is insane
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04:01<mjrosenb_>Areckx: what are you using to connect?
04:01<Areckx>how come ubuntu can use wifi
04:01<Areckx>but debian can't
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04:02<Areckx>an ethernet cable
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04:02<Areckx>I normally use wifi I would like to have it fixed so I can move my laptop back
04:02<jm_>anvesh: go to tty2 and run this command: dmesg | grep 'sd.:'
04:03<Areckx>it is already annoying as CRAP that I have to adjust to this awkward different system... it is NOT like ubuntu 10.04 at all even though it's gnome
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04:03<Areckx>but ubuntu started crapping out on me and graphics were messing up etc
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04:03<Areckx>and people keep telling me debian is better
04:03<Areckx>well right now it is CRAP so please help me
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04:03<fix>ok guise I got a problem
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04:04<fix>after a certain period of time, randomly seems, my wifi card drops and I get those sigocflag or w/e errors when I try to manually ifconfig down/up it
04:04<jm_>deavid: so why not simply use su to change to their uid and then do DISPLAY=:0 xrandr?
04:04<fix>3.2.0-0 bpo kernel on debian 6
04:04<Areckx>why is Linux SO DAMN ANNOYING?
04:05<fix>I have to actually reboot to get my wifi back
04:05<Areckx>not really making people want to switch over to it when it can't even connect to wifi
04:05<fix>well its a lot less annoying than getting virus on windows
04:05<Areckx>I never got viruses
04:05<Calinou><Areckx> how come ubuntu can use wifi
04:05<Calinou><Areckx> but debian can't < proprietary firmware
04:05<deavid>jm_: thanks, may be that's what i wanted...
04:05<fix>I might be able to help u
04:05<Calinou>debian doesn't have any proprietary firmware for various reasons, but you can install it manually
04:05<fix>open a terminal and do uname -a
04:05<fix>paste it here
04:06<Areckx>Linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 09:49:36 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
04:06<fix>wanna know what kernel version u have
04:06<Calinou><Areckx> why is Linux SO DAMN ANNOYING? < it is not, linux is not a product (ubuntu is, but it sucks.), it's a FOSS project
04:06<fix>what wireless chipset?
04:06<fix>Well Kernel 3.2 has heaps of wifi fixes
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04:06<fix>most of my cards wouldnt work when I was using that kernel u have
04:07<Calinou>fix: I bet it won't fix it, I think I have intel wifi too, doesn't work with wheezy graphical and text netinstaller
04:07<Areckx>how do I get new kernel?
04:07<Calinou>(beta 1 installer)
04:07<Areckx>beta eww
04:07<fix>Intel ok
04:07<fix>yeah man
04:07<Calinou>Areckx: backports, or use testing/unstable
04:07<Areckx>I like stable
04:07<fix>Upgrade your kernel to 3.2.0-0 with backports
04:07<Calinou>people have several definitions of "stable"
04:07<jm_>there are special installers with firmware files include
04:07<Areckx>well I want my computer to just run
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04:08<fix>Do you want your computer to use you, or do you want to use the computer?
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04:09<Guest2033>im new to irc
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04:09<Areckx>can you please help me?
04:09<Guest2033>I have a question
04:09<fix>that kernel is ancient
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04:09<Areckx>which backports?
04:09<Areckx>how do I update kernel?
04:09<fix>thats what I did
04:09<jm_>!tell Areckx -about bdo kernel
04:09<Calinou><jm_> there are special installers with firmware files include < where?
04:10<fix>was pretty painless
04:10<Guest2033>can anyone see me?
04:10<fix>u can install any firmward u need afterwards
04:10<Calinou><fix> Do you want your computer to use you, or do you want to use the computer? < better have a running computer I guess 8) only ubuntu uses you
04:10<Calinou>Guest2033: yes
04:10<fix>meh, Ubuntu guys are wussies
04:10<perlwizard>how does ubuntu "use you" ?
04:10<fix>use the real thing
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04:10<jm_>Calinou: has a link
04:10<Guest2033>why fix?
04:10<Areckx>yeah I fail to see this HATE against alternate OS... so far Ubuntu has been a lot better...
04:11<Guest2033>what is the real thing?
04:11<fix>the king of linux
04:11<Calinou>Areckx: ubuntu sucks; especially 12.10, it makes you the product with its ads
04:11<fix>all other OS must bow
04:11<Areckx>10.04 is good
04:11<abc>"/usr/bin/ld: warning:, needed by /usr/lib/heimdal/, may conflict with"
04:11<Areckx>it certainly doesn't feel like king when WIFI WON'T WORK
04:11<fix>because redhat is bass ackwards
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04:11<Calinou>debian is the best distro ever; it is free (base install is 100% free software), it is lightweight (especially with xfce), and there are three versions available depending on the level of stability/software versions you want
04:11<fix>update your kernel
04:11<Areckx>I fail to see why ubuntu can use it but not debian, the so called KING
04:11<Guest2033>all i know is i had a dysfuntional windows 7 that was bluescreening every 5 min.. and my friend put ubuntu on my comp and now everything is better.
04:11<Calinou>ubuntu does things wrongly; it is also commerically backed
04:11<abc>any idea? "/usr/bin/ld: warning:, needed by /usr/lib/heimdal/, may conflict with"
04:11<fix>Im sure thatll fix it
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04:12<Areckx>ubuntu is free..
04:12<kmz>Areckx: did you come here to troll?
04:12<tobias123>do you guys know how i can get to a ubuntu channel?
04:12<tobias123>im new to irc.
04:12<Areckx>NO I want my WIFI to work...
04:12<tobias123>and have questions about ubuntu
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04:12<Areckx>because ubuntu crapped out on me, so I am tryhing this SUPERIOR os...
04:12<tobias123>im trying to get to
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04:13<abc> any idea? "/usr/bin/ld: warning:, needed by /usr/lib/heimdal/, may conflict with"
04:13<abc>gives me segfaults
04:13<abc>everything installed via packages
04:13<kmz>Areckx: try ubuntu 9.04 to see if it works
04:13<Areckx>apt-cache search linux-image-3
04:13<tobias123>can anyone help?
04:13<Calinou>kmz: it is EOL, not advisable at all...
04:14<kmz>he's trying to use squeeze
04:14<Calinou>Areckx: ubuntu is not free as in freedom, it suggests installing non-free software often and comes with non-free blobs
04:14<jm_>!tell tobias123 -about ubuntu
04:14<Areckx>kmz, 10.04 worked fine but for some reason started getting annoying, like programs running wouldn't show up on the bottom/minimize etc
04:14<kmz>which was released 3,5 years ago
04:14<Calinou>Areckx: some programs do not show on the minimize bar regardless of the OS, intended
04:14<Calinou>kmz: 1.5 years...
04:14<Areckx>I went to and it said 6.0.6 is the latest stable...
04:15<kmz>feb 2009
04:15<Calinou>feb 2011
04:15<Calinou>feb 2009 is lenny
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04:15<tobias123>okay well thanks for your guys time.
04:15<Calinou>tobias123: > #ubuntu
04:15<kmz>ooops, my bad
04:15<tobias123>yeah but how do i connect to irc.freenode?
04:15<Calinou>tobias123: < you can use webchat
04:15<Areckx>why do you guys have to be so LEET ASSHOLE
04:15<Calinou>or with your IRC client, type /server
04:15<Areckx>I am having a problem and I need help
04:15<Calinou>then /join #ubuntu
04:15<Areckx>please help
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04:15<tobias123>oh great thanks calinou!
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04:16<Calinou>Areckx: debian is actually not that hard to use, but yes, hardware sometimes does not work
04:16<kmz>anyway, I'd simply try wheezy
04:16<Areckx>Calinou, but it worked in ubuntu 10.04
04:16<Calinou>wheezy might work, yes, no guarantees, it also comes with more recent software
04:16<kmz>Areckx: that's Debian policy
04:16<Areckx>Calinou, why doesn't it work here?
04:16<Calinou>Areckx: because ubuntu has non-free firmware. debian doesn't have any
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04:16<Areckx>Calinou, that doesn't answer it for me... I am more confused now
04:16<Calinou>your wifi probably requires non-free firmware
04:16<Areckx>Calinou, then how do I get it?
04:17<kmz>it does, but in the "non-free" repository which is disabled by default
04:17<Areckx>I added a ton of non-free
04:17<kmz>once again, what's your wireless card?
04:18<kmz>ok, I see
04:18<kmz>have you installed the firmware packages?
04:19<fix>im bettin on using kernel 3.2.0-0 just sayin
04:20<Areckx>yes I installed
04:20<Areckx>ok I'll get back to you after reboot
04:20<kmz>hmm, according to iwlwifi offsite this card is supported since 2.6.24
04:21<Areckx>should I purge the driver?
04:21<kmz>wait a second
04:21<Areckx>reboot, then reinstall?
04:21<Areckx>I have 2.6.32
04:21<kmz>and dmesg, please
04:22<kmz>and apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi|grep Installed
04:22<Areckx>dmesg went past the scrollback on terminal...........
04:23<ectospasm>Areckx: dmesg | less
04:23<Areckx>how do I
04:23<Areckx>oh ok
04:23<kmz>dmesg > file.txt :)
04:23<ectospasm>kmz: works too (-;
04:23<Areckx>yeah because I need to paste
04:23<Areckx>so dmesg | foo.txt
04:23<ectospasm>paste into the dmesg output?
04:24<ectospasm>Areckx: no, it'll say "no such command foo.txt"
04:24<ectospasm>or something
04:24<niels>Areckx, > for sending it to files ( | is for piping it into programs)
04:24<Areckx>oh so >
04:24<ectospasm>Areckx: note that > is not |
04:24<Areckx>oh ok I always get confused about |
04:24<ectospasm>in "lhs | rhs" the output of 'lhs' is the input for 'rhs'
04:24<kmz>Areckx: nope, either dmesg|less (pipe) or dmesg > file (redirect the stdout to a file)
04:24<r2d2>in gnome i can start and ger wifi automatic ... in fvwm i need to start the wifi manualy with exec nm-applet in the fvwm console ... first i also thoght my wifi in fwm is broken
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04:25<ectospasm>r2d2: yeah, IIRC you need to tell fvwm to use nm
04:25<kmz>Areckx: uh, seems the iwlagn loads the firmware correctly
04:25<kmz>iwlagn 0000:0c:00.0: firmware: requesting iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode
04:25<kmz>iwlagn 0000:0c:00.0: loaded firmware version
04:26<kmz>the one from firmware-iwlwifi package
04:26<r2d2>i did put the nm-applet into the fvwm start function ... happily i found how to do that :D
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04:26<ectospasm>I haven't used fvwm in a looong time
04:27<fix>that network manager makes me anus pucker
04:27<ectospasm>I don't remember being impressed by it
04:27<rainfyre>Areckx: you have the 4965 intel card?
04:27<Areckx>in the right hand part of the screen, the network says wired networks :device not managed wireless networks device not managed
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04:27<fix>the network manager or...
04:27*ectospasm chuckles
04:27<ectospasm>...anus pucker...
04:27<kmz>rainfyre: lspci says "yes"
04:27<rainfyre>I'm using the same one in debian squeeze right now
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04:28<r2d2>i like fvwm ... more then any other :)) ... but it needs a lot of manual configuration
04:28<kmz>so I guess the hardware<->kernel layer is fine
04:28<Areckx>rainfyre, yes
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04:28<Areckx>and the switch is on I
04:28<kmz>probably the thing is somewhere in the NM
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04:29<Areckx>what is going on???
04:29<kmz>are you using NetworkManager?
04:29<Areckx>I'm using the default install for debian 6.0.6
04:29<rainfyre>I'm using wicd
04:30<Areckx>I have added repos
04:30<Areckx>I have followed the wifi wiki
04:30<kmz>Areckx: gnome with network-manager AFAIR
04:30<rainfyre>Areckx: you installed iwlwifi?
04:30<kmz>try rainfyre's way: remove the NM and install wicd
04:30<ectospasm>the network-manager service *is* started, yes?
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04:30<ectospasm>Areckx: ^
04:31<rainfyre>Areckx: I'm running wicd with xfce, I don't have the gnome stuff
04:31<niels>kmz, maybe have him check if his wlan interface is in /e/n/i. if it is, network-manager will refuse to manage it
04:31<rainfyre>Areckx: trying to remember how I got that card up and running, it was simple
04:32<kmz>niels: I'm not that good with NM stuff :(
04:32<Areckx>niels, how do I do that?
04:32<niels>Areckx, check what the file /etc/network/interfaces contains
04:32<ectospasm>Areckx: nano /etc/network/interfaces...
04:32<Areckx>Starting Network connection manager: wicd failed!
04:33<Areckx>after sudo apt-get install wicd
04:33<gnugr>Areckx:please try "modprobe iwlwifi" to see if your card will activate (make sure you also have wireless-tools installed)
04:33<Areckx>I can't install it if I remove network manager... then I won't have internet
04:33<kmz>gnugr: it is
04:33<niels>kmz, me neither. but i know that it doesn't manage devices that are in /e/n/i
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04:33<kmz>he has already pasted the lsmod and dmesg, and they're fine
04:33<Areckx>FATAL: Module iwlwifi not found.
04:34<rainfyre>Areckx: that's how I did it
04:34<kmz>Areckx: tail /var/log/daemon.log
04:34<rainfyre>Areckx: it's firmware-iwlwifi and wireless-tools
04:34<kmz>I guess wicd should log it's stuff there
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04:34<kmz>rainfyre: firmare is loaded ok
04:34<rainfyre>kmz: ok
04:35<rainfyre>kmz: I think he's on the right track
04:35<r2d2>when i did install debian it did ask me for wifi driver from a non free (what ever) id did display the firmware name, then i did download the file on a usb stick ... then i did restart the installation and then debian found the software on the stick ... i had to agree on some agreement and then it did work... but i use some 2200bg wifi
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04:35<kmz>hey! so the interface is actually up
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04:36<kmz>just misconfigured
04:36<rainfyre>kmz: it's wlan0 and it's up?
04:36<Areckx>how do I connect using wifi?? I went to connect to hidden network and put in ssid and wpa2
04:36<kmz>rainfyre: check the last paste
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04:36<rainfyre>kmz: saw that
04:37<Areckx>says no working leases
04:37<kmz>I bet if it was and open network it would already have been working
04:37<fix>if the router your connecting too isnt configured with a "hidden essid" then dont do that
04:37<fix>first, if u wanna do wifi in the command line
04:37<fix>put your card into managed mode
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04:37<Areckx>I click on it and it won't show the networks, it just says device no managed
04:37<fix>bring it up with ifconfig wifi0 up or w/e it is
04:37<kmz>so the actual problem is to configure the desired wifi mode
04:37<fix>then iwconfig wifi0 mode managed
04:37<r2d2>check also the router ... maybe there is a MAC filter on the router
04:37<fix>then iwconfig wlan0 mode managed
04:38<r2d2>or the firewall stuff on the router?
04:38<fix>must be in managed mode, for network-manager to use it
04:38<rainfyre>Areckx: iwconfig wlan0 essid <name>
04:38<fix>well I was gunna suggest you just use network-manager once in managed mode
04:38<fix>but w/e
04:38<rainfyre>Areckx: if you can set your access point to be an open network, it's simpler to connect from the command line
04:39<Areckx>that is not an option
04:39<rainfyre>and I"m not trying to but in here, these folks know more than I do about this
04:39<fix>who the fk is going to set their ap witout encryption
04:39<fix>maybe the pedophile nextdoor wont download cp on your ap
04:39<Areckx>I think it is computer side... I never had problems connecting before
04:39<rainfyre>fix: I do sometimes, then enable mac filtering, long enough to download network-manager or wicd when I"m troubleshooting wifi stuff like this
04:40<fix>mac filtering lol
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04:40<fix>I just spoof
04:40<r2d2>on knoppix i also had problems to connect with wifi .... then i did reset the router settings and that did the trick ... it was also hidden and stuff ... i guess it was firewall or ICMP blocking settings in the router
04:40<fix>mac filtering dont stop a noob with airodump
04:40<Areckx>all of this is so confusing...
04:40<Areckx>and you are all talking like it's nothing
04:41<Areckx>how do I set the network to managed?
04:41<rainfyre>fix: slim chance that his neighbor is going to be running airodump-ng in the 5 minutes that he'd have his network open. Anyway..
04:41<Areckx>i did sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
04:41<rainfyre>Areckx: is it up?
04:41<Areckx>in either case I am connected to ethernet at the moment
04:41<Areckx>do I have to disconnect to connect to wifi?
04:41<ectospasm>I've noticed that if you're coming from a do-it-for-you distro (like Ubuntu or Windows), Debian's way is a bit of a barrier
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04:41<fix>right coz disabling encryption on the ap and doing all thats so much easier than just using a cat5 cable, get up and plugin a cable u fat asshole
04:41<ectospasm>I'll admit the learning curve is rather steep, especially if you're new to it all
04:41<kmz>no you don't
04:42<kmz>Areckx: ifconfig wlan0
04:42<Areckx>without sudo it says command not found
04:42<ectospasm>Areckx: ifconfig is only available to root
04:42<kmz>my bad, sudo ifconfig wlan0 :)
04:42<Areckx>just pointing it out in case I did something terribly wrong...
04:43<ectospasm>which ifconfig => /sbin/ifconfig
04:43<kmz>ectospasm: /sbin and /usr/sbin aren't in user's $PATH
04:43<ectospasm>kmz: my point exactly
04:43<Areckx>what is this /sbin stuff?
04:43<ectospasm>Areckx: ignore us
04:43<kmz>Areckx: wlan0 is up
04:43<Areckx>ectospasm, then how would I learn
04:43<kmz> iwconfig wifi0 mode managed
04:43<kmz> iwconfig wlan0 mode managed
04:44<ectospasm>Areckx: just focus on your task at hand, when wifi is working for you, then we'll explain
04:44<ectospasm>Areckx: okay... sbin is Superuser bin directory, only the super user (root) should have access
04:44<Areckx>ok it didn't say anything
04:44<Areckx>it just went to the next line after I did iwconfig
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04:44<ectospasm>it's not generally in a normal, non-root user's PATH variable.
04:44<kmz>Areckx: that's fine
04:44<gnugr>Areckx:your /etc/network/interfaces must look like this
04:45<kmz>try reloading NM now
04:45<fix><ectospasm> Areckx: just focus on your task at hand,
04:45<Areckx>how do I reload it?
04:45<rainfyre>sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager restart
04:46<Areckx>ahh the ol init.d I always forget the whole thing
04:46<ectospasm>fix: I figured I might not be around to explain
04:46<fix>if u get tired of typing sudo, just do sudo -i and become root ffs
04:46<niels>gnugr, it must not if he wants to use the card with network-manager
04:46<rainfyre>or sudo service network-manager restart
04:46<ectospasm>Areckx: service network-manager restart should work too
04:46<Areckx>still says device no managed
04:46<fix>give me root login , I have a php script that will fix this
04:47<fix>hehehe, im kidding of course
04:48<Areckx>I don't understand hacking.. .it kind of scares me knowing that people can get into my system without me knowing
04:48<Areckx>is debian safe from that?
04:48<r2d2>that was not kidding that was a try :))
04:48<Areckx>without my password?
04:48<fix>a computer is only as safe as you make it
04:48<ectospasm>Areckx: no system is safe
04:48<ectospasm> that sense
04:48<Areckx>then what do I do?
04:48<ectospasm>unless it's totally unavailable even to legitimate users
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04:48<ectospasm>Areckx: try not to have vulnerable services loaded on the system
04:49<Areckx>I've never had a problem, I tend to be smart when it comes to computers
04:49<fix>and dont use windows
04:49<ectospasm>don't need a web server? Don't run apache{1,2}, or nginx, or anything else
04:49<Areckx>just linux I am leagues behind...
04:49<r2d2>power of the computer then it is safe
04:49<ectospasm>Areckx: no time like the present to catch up.
04:49<fix>Good books out there you should read
04:49<niels>Areckx, can you show us the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces, please? or did you do that already and i've missed it?
04:49<ectospasm>Linux books are out of date once the ink dries
04:49<fix>Orielly Debian Linux, or "Linux Network Administrators Guide"
04:49<Infiltrator>r2d2: Still not quite safe. :)
04:50<fix>bah, they are useful, some of the stuff gets outdated, but you quickly pick up on things you didnt know that tend to stay relevant
04:50<ectospasm>r2d2: no power means the computer is unavailable to legitimate users... CIA triangle is violated then
04:51<fix>tru, what would the world be like of CIA Malware wasnt allowed to propagate.
04:51<fix>or FBI CPAV trojans
04:51<niels>Areckx, ah, please remove the wlan0 stuff from that file and try again
04:51<r2d2>yeah true if the power is off on a computer you still ban break in with a stone ... or maybe break through :))
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04:51<ectospasm>fix: you misunderstand, I mean Confidentiality, Integrity, and Availability (CIA)
04:51<Areckx>niels, the [][][ were to protect my passkeys lol
04:51<niels>Areckx, network manager won't manage your card as long as you've configured the card inside there
04:51<Areckx>niels, you are saying I don't need those lines?
04:51<fix>I was reading this neat article about how a computers powersupply can be trojaned to delivery exfilrated data over power line networking protocols
04:52<Areckx>niels, oh
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04:52<Areckx>wow some people realllllly want people's data
04:52<ectospasm>fix: that doesn't make sense, gotta link?
04:52<fix>^ the CIA
04:52<fix>yup gimme a sec
04:52<Areckx>I can see wireless
04:53<fix>and it makes perfect sense, especially if you have ever used a Power Line Networking Module
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04:53<r2d2>facebook wants you data ;p
04:53<niels>Areckx, manually configuring the card and network-manager are mutually exclusive, so that was the problem
04:53<Areckx>I give facebook data...
04:53<fix>Actually it was some guys at defcon giving a talk, they are the ones doing the public research
04:53<Areckx>it better take it
04:53<ectospasm>fix: if I don't have HomePlug or whatever it's called... I don't see the data leaking onto the power grid
04:54<r2d2>:)) ... get your wifi working ;)
04:54<fix>if they have control of the powergrid and you have a backdoored PSU
04:54<fix>then it can be done
04:54<fix>stuff the CIA does
04:55<Areckx>OKOKOK now it is not connecting to wifi
04:55<Areckx>but it can detect the networks
04:55<fix>requires a modified PSU
04:56<r2d2>they can analyse your power usage and according to this they know what your computer is calculating and so they get your data through the power connection while your not connected to the network ... you need a battery to hide your power usage
04:57<Areckx>that is classic
04:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 520] by debhelper
04:57<Areckx>they would have to know sooooo many specs
04:57<fix>they can read alot more than your power usage, they can exfiltrate your data
04:57<fix>you should read the pdf
04:57<Areckx>maybe later
04:57<r2d2>they know every thing ... thats the effect of collecting data
04:57<robnea>hi all, i was wondering about writing a trivial MTA to sit at /usr/lib/sendmail and redirect cron emails
04:58<Areckx>but what does it all mean? lol
04:58<Areckx>what is the point of knowing
04:58<Areckx>that's the real kicker
04:58<ectospasm>depends on how valuable your data is
04:58<robnea>would it need to do anything apart from read standard in?
04:58<ectospasm>just another reason to be paranoid
04:59<Areckx>DAMN google chrome sync server is busy!
04:59<r2d2>knowedge is a weapon
04:59<Areckx>no edge is a replica
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04:59<jm_>robnea: why bother?
05:00<abc>[10:13:17] <abc> any idea? "/usr/bin/ld: warning:, needed by /usr/lib/heimdal/, may conflict with"
05:00<abc>[10:13:23] <abc> gives me segfaults
05:00<abc>[10:13:29] <abc> everything installed via packages
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05:00<robnea>jm_, because my ISP won't let me send emails unless the "From" field matches my email address and cron hardcodes it to "Root (Cron Daemon)"
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05:01<jm_>robnea: are you saying local mail is sent via ISP?
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05:01<robnea>jm_, i don't want the mail to be local, i have in the crontab
05:02<fix>your isp sucks
05:02<Areckx>ahhh much better
05:02<Areckx>loaded up my real .xchat2 dir
05:02<robnea>fix, i thought so to start with but to be honest I think it's fair enough
05:02<Areckx>ohmg tomorrow I'm going to have so much debian stuff to do...
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05:03<Areckx>Japanese/Chinese/Korean support...
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05:03<fix>oh Oxford University
05:03<fix>how prestigous
05:04<r2d2>the upper class :))
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05:04<fix>yeah, I havent worked in 3 years and Ive eaten so many Ramen Noodles that my liver has been embalmbed by MSG
05:05<robnea>is that a dig?
05:05<robnea>anyway, my isp is BT
05:05<ectospasm>fix: you don't *have* to eat the concentrated MSG that comes with it...
05:05<fix>inetnum: -
05:05<fix>netname: OXFORDNET
05:05<fix>descr: Oxford University
05:05<fix>looks like oxford university to me
05:05<jm_>robnea: right, some MTA's allow you to rewrite such stuff
05:05<robnea>talking to their indian call centre to find out why my emails were getting rejected was amusing
05:06<robnea>yeah it is! so what?
05:06<fix>"welcome to indian tech support guy, my name is bill smith"
05:06<robnea>jm_, right but none of the simple ones! i've looked into nullmailer, dma etc
05:06<fix>bill smith my u know wut
05:06<jm_>robnea: indeed
05:07<robnea>exim came up in my googling
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05:07<ectospasm>heh, ever try to provide support to an Indian call center? They sound like they have 20 people crammed in a 5ftx5ft room
05:07<ectospasm>"I'm sorry, I can't understand what you're saying because there's too much background noise."
05:07<robnea>but i want such a simple hardcoded replacement that i thought seeing as msmtp-mta (debian package) just symlinks msmtp to /usr/lib/sendmail i may as well just write a short bash script to do it
05:07<jm_>alternatively maybe change cron job to send mail directly: cmd | mutt ....
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05:08<ectospasm>The real reason is I can't understand their accent... doesn't help with the background noise...
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05:08<jm_>just kindly do the needful
05:08<robnea>yeah jm_ that works but its inelegant, i would have to change every cron job and also the system cronjobs
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05:08<jm_>robnea: ahh indeed, forgot about those
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05:10<robnea>so anyway i tried writing such a bash script, with INPUT=$( cat /dev/stdin ) to read in the output, but i get nothing from user cron jobs. Bizarrely it works for system cron jobs
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05:10<robnea>wtf is my current status
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05:13<fix>ioctl(SIOCSIFFLAGS) failed: Invalid argument
05:13<fix> Okay dokay, wtfuxors! Ath9k on Debian Squeeze wit kernel 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 and
05:13<fix>wifi disconnects at random intervals and unable to bring it back up manually with iwconfig or ifconfig
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05:13<fix>I have to reboot
05:13<Areckx>ok so now I can see the wireless networks but not connect to them
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05:13<jm_>fix: even if you unload and reload the module?
05:14<fix>no, I didnt try that
05:14<fix>I just tried using iwconfig, ifconfig, and even airmon-ng to bring it back up
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05:14<fix>but it wouldnt respond
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05:14<fix>ioctl(SIOCSIFFLAGS) failed: Invalid argument is what I get
05:15<fix>its on a win7 users laptop that I convinced to install debian, otherwise everything is fine
05:15<fix>but I gotta figure this one out so they will stfu and become debian users for life
05:15<ectospasm>captive audience, eh?
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05:16<Areckx>ok so what am I missing?
05:16<fix>your keys?
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05:17<Areckx>doing sudo iwconfig wlan0 mode managed and then removing the wlan0 lines from my /etc/netowkr/interfaces allowed me to attempt to connect to networks
05:17<Areckx>but it just hangs when I select mine
05:18<Areckx>I have the right passkey in there
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05:19<Areckx>I had to disable ipv6
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05:19<fix>May I ask why you are not using network-manager?
05:20<niels1>he is
05:20<r2d2>back up your router settings and then reset the wifi router to default ... it you can connect then the problem is in the router ... if the problem still exist then you can use your router backup
05:20<niels1>that's why the lines in /e/n/i prevented him from connecting earlier
05:20<fix>who r2d2?
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05:21<r2d2>he who had the wifi problem ... but now it seems to work
05:21<fix>what bout my wifi problem??
05:21<r2d2>ohh you have problems too
05:22<fix>yeah after a while my wifi drops at random, the iface just wont respond to commands
05:22<fix>ioctl(SIOCSIFFLAGS) failed: Invalid argument
05:22<fix>I have to reboot to fix it
05:22<ectospasm>Areckx: when I got my Samsung Galaxy SII phone last year, I called Samsung tech support because I couldn't connect to the wifi... turns out I had a MAC filter set up, and had forgotten about it
05:23<fix>ok so u say I can probably fix this by unloading and loading the wifi kernel module eh?
05:23<r2d2>so honestly i have to say ... i have no idea ... i did just install debian and thoght i keep a eye in here ... maybe i can learn ointeressting stuff
05:23<fix>then I can write a script and use sntop to ping a host, if it loses ping itll trigger the script to unload and reload the module
05:24<fix><fix> ok so u say I can probably fix this by unloading and loading the wifi kernel module eh? maybe I can write a script and use sntop to ping a host, if it loses ping itll trigger the script to unload and reload the module
05:25<r2d2>i guess there is something that kills your wifi ... you should try to find what it is and if it is not nessesary disable that
05:25<fix>man I got devices all over on wifi
05:25<fix>this is the only one havin issues
05:25<r2d2>but i dont know how to find what makes problems with your wifi
05:26<r2d2>do you have many wifi devices on one computer?
05:26<ectospasm>fix: check to make sure you're using the right driver/firmware... I have a onboard Gigabit Ethernet NIC which doesn't work with the stock driver
05:26<ectospasm>...same principle applies
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05:28<fix>its an Atheros chipset
05:28<txomon>hi, I don't have wifi on my computer, and I wondered why the debian installer didn't install the broadcom drivers of my wifi device
05:28<fix>so there shouldnt be any issues, Atheros is the best.
05:28<txomon>how may I install them'
05:29<fix>hey txomon what kernel u got?
05:29<fix>uname -r
05:29<fix>older kernel has issues with some wifi cards
05:29<r2d2>seems as every one here has wifi problems :))
05:29<fix>oh same here
05:29<txomon>im in wheezy
05:29<fix>but I got that kernel too
05:30<fix>u know wut chipset is your wifi card?
05:30<dpkg>Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>.
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05:30<SynrG>ah ...
05:30<txomon>its not firmware problem, its driver problem, because just switched from ubuntu
05:30<SynrG>!installer firmware
05:30<dpkg>Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See and . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see . See also <firmware images>.
05:30<fix>last time I checked, Firmware is something that resides inside a ROM on a piece of hardware, not a driver installed on an OS
05:31<SynrG>txomon: faulty reasoning "because just switched from ubuntu" does not mean debian is the same
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05:31<r2d2>debain installation calls the driver firmware ... because of what ever
05:31<txomon>so are you going to help or just tell me about that they are not the same, and that firmware and driver isn't the same
05:31<SynrG>r2d2: wrong
05:32<r2d2>when i did install my wifi driver it did also ask me for firmware of my wifi
05:32<fix><SynrG> r2d2: wrong ( ok someone set the record straight here coz im confused now"
05:33<niels1>r2d2, firmware is what the card needs internally to operate correctly. it's different from the driver/module the kernel uses to talk to the card
05:33<SynrG>"debian installation calls the driver firmware". where?
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05:33<txomon>installed broadcom packet, rebooting to check if worked
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05:34<niels1>however, it's correct that the linux module/driver is used to load the firmware blob onto the card
05:34<r2d2>when i did install debian it did dedect my 2200bg wifi and did ask me to install an non free firmware for 2200bg and then i did install that stuff (i had to agree on some text) and then my wifi did work ... so i guess this was the driver but the oinstall did ask me for firmware
05:34<niels1>r2d2, it was the firmware
05:34<fix>yeah coz intel are proprietary jerks
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05:35<niels1>r2d2, some cards need to get their firmware from the outside. i.e. from your computer. that's what you experienced
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05:35<txomon>didn't work
05:36<r2d2>but it did not change the hardware ... i mean the chip on the wifi card ... it still works on windows and with the old same windows driver ... so the chip seems to be the same as ever
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05:36<niels1>r2d2, you don't need to change the hardware to load firmware onto the card
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05:36<r2d2>also if i did reinstall debian it did ask me again to load the fame firmware again ... so i guess the debian install did write nothing on a chpi in my wifi
05:36<niels1>r2d2, windows loads firmware onto the card, too. it comes installed with your windows wifi driver installer
05:37<fix>whatever happened to madwifi drivers?
05:37<ectospasm>r2d2: your windows drivers install the firmware every time it loads, too, you just don't notice.
05:37<fix>they used to be boss for atheros cards
05:37<r2d2>so the driver is the driber and he need the firmware and every time i start the pc the driver loads the firmware on the wifi card?
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05:38<niels1>r2d2, correct
05:38<r2d2>i knwe i will learn here some interessting stuff :D
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05:39<fix>p firmware-iwlwifi - Binary firmware for Intel Wireless 3945, 4965 and 5000-series cards
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05:39<ectospasm>fix: looks like madwifi is no longer maintained...
05:39<fix>firmware-atheros - Binary firmware for Atheros wireless cards
05:40<fix>Ill give this a go
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05:40<Areckx>that was weird
05:40<Areckx>connection timed out
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05:42<fix>dang, I have sweet fond memories of madwifi saving the day for Atheros cards
05:42<fix>my my how time flies
05:43<Pitxyoki>ath{5,9}k are nice.
05:44<fix>yeah, I cant tell
05:44<fix>ath9k disco at random
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05:44<fix>then when I try to manually bring if the iface I get this crap
05:44<fix>octl(SIOCSIFFLAGS) failed: Invalid argument
05:45<Areckx>building chromium from git
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05:45<Areckx>no problems so far but still wondering where .gclient is
05:46<Areckx>and custom_deps dictionary
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05:46<Areckx>I think this answers it ::
05:48<fix>erm, isnt that Gooberment stuff? Erm, I mean Google?
05:48<Areckx>I think it is installing a whole bunch of developer packages >_<
05:48<Areckx>yes I like chromium
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05:51<txomon>installed firmware-brcm80211 and updated initramfs, rebooting to check if worked
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05:51<Areckx>Debian:: The REAL MMORPG
05:53<niels1>there's virtually no limit to the level you can reach, tho. there's always something you can learn about it every day
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05:53<txomon>didn't work
05:55<XReaper>Can anyone tell me how old x86 is?
05:55<fix>have you used network-manager to setup your wifi?
05:55<fix>x86 I think from 1989 correct me if I am wrong
05:56<XReaper> setup is not a verb. Please see
05:56<XReaper>couldn't help myself :P
05:56<XReaper>fix: sounds about right
05:56<ectospasm>there have been many extensions to x86 since then (-;
05:58<XReaper>yeah, i think it's time for something new :)
05:58<fix>now thats one I can no longer list off the top
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05:58<fix>I lost track around Athlon 64
05:58<XReaper>and surely deprecated instruction sets since it's inception
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05:59*themill searches in vain for debian user support in #debian
05:59<fix>reminds me of the bad old days using i486 machines wit evergreen overdrive dx2 120mhz chips in them
05:59<XReaper>my oldest pc was a p1
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05:59<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
05:59<XReaper>ectospasm: thx
05:59<ectospasm>I kept thinking this was #d-ot
05:59<XReaper>fix: come chat :)
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06:03<txomon>I have a problem, because shows me as non available (the wifi)
06:03<txomon>now it detects the wifi device, but it still isn't connecting
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06:04<babilen>txomon: Would you mind giving me a short description of your problem again?
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06:07<Areckx>looks like a common theme
06:07<Areckx>glad to have passed the tutorial quest
06:08<babilen>txomon: No? :-/
06:08<txomon>babilen, have broadcom BCM4313 chipset, have taken this steps
06:08<txomon>and now, I am trying to figure out why it says "Not available" on the wifi device (though has a phy0 block if I have the eth0 inteface connected)
06:08<babilen>txomon: Ok. Which steps exactly? Which version of Debian do you use? Which chipset if it? (lspci -nn|grep -i network)
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06:09<txomon>... already told you the chipset
06:10<babilen>txomon: Alright. Might be better suited in #debian-next, but meh. Could you show me the output of "modprobe -r brcmsmac ; modprobe brcmsmac ; dmesg|tail -n23", "ifconfig -a", "iwconfig" and "cat /etc/network/interfaces" (make sure you don't paste passwords!) on please?
06:10<txomon>and the steps: apt-get install firmware-brcm80211; modprobe -r brcmsmac ; modprobe brcmsmac
06:11<txomon>cat /proc/net/dev shows that already knows about wlan0
06:11<babilen>txomon: Ok, I assume that you have a "PCI: 14E4:4727 Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller" card then
06:12<txomon>network manager doens't have an entry on wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces
06:12<txomon>ah, there was also a rfkill block, but I already took over it
06:13<babilen>txomon: yeah, include the output of "rfkill list" as well.
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06:16<txomon>modprobe and modprobe -r don't say anything
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06:17<txomon>babilen, if you said something, I haven't read it (disconnected the cable to check(
06:17<txomon>I think it is network manager problem, restarting it
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06:20<babilen>txomon: Could you try running "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" -- Does it list wireless networks?
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06:20<babilen>txomon: Repeat the same after running "rfkill unblock 3" too.
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06:23<txomon>babilen, it is not working...
06:23<babilen>txomon: What is not working? What happens instead?
06:23<txomon>for some reason it says not available in the nm-applet and in the ifconfig, says it doens't exist such device
06:24*txomon is slow writting
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06:25<babilen>txomon: Is "rfkill unblock 3" unblocking phy0? Could you make sure that it is unblocked please? May I see "modprobe -r brcmsmac ; modprobe brcmsmac ; dmesg|tail -n23" and "ifconfig -a" again please?
06:26*babilen curses broadcom (once again)
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06:27<txomon>I want to remember you that I have to plug off the eth0 cable from the computer (using just this computer) to make that block release
06:27<txomon>it is hardware thing, can't have 2 interfaces at the same time connected
06:28<babilen>txomon: Yeah, I remembered that. Does that also mean that "rfkill unblock 3" does not unblock phy0?
06:28<txomon>I am going to reboot and hope it gets fixed
06:28<txomon>babilen, doesn't
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06:28<txomon>maybe I can change the BIOS for that
06:28<txomon>going to check
06:29<txomon>coming back in a secs
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06:33<txomon>babilen, Im back
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06:33<txomon>I disabled that strange BIOS option that commuted between lan/wan
06:34<txomon>now, I see (after reboot) that doesn't have the module loaded
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06:35<txomon>babilen, now worked, modprobe -r brcmsmac; modprobe brcmsmac; ifconfig wlan0 up
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06:37<txomon>what may I do now? I can reboot once more to check if it loads the driver at startup, but I think it wont...
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06:37<babilen>txomon: Can you scan for wireless network with "iwlist wlan0 scan" now?
06:37<txomon>from nm it does...
06:38<txomon>I can
06:38<txomon>babilen, ^
06:39<babilen>txomon: Wonderful -- I would check if the module is loaded by default during boot. If it is not you might want to file a bug agains the kernel and add it to /etc/modules for now.
06:39<txomon>why isn't vim installed by default ;(
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06:39<themill>users who know they want vim can install it
06:40<txomon>babilen, it isn't...
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06:40<txomon>adding brcmsmac
06:40<babilen>txomon: vim should be installed by default, but it is not a particularly feature rich package. You might want to install vim-nox, vim-gtk or vim-gnome. (Or check the other vim packages by running "aptitude search '~n^vim-'"
06:41<txomon>babilen, vim isn't installed by default, vi yes
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06:41<txomon>im comming back in a sec after checking if rebooting has correct behaviour
06:42<babilen>Hmm, I thought that vim-tiny is installed by default (which is, arguably, not a real vim)
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06:42<babilen>(at least with the standard task)
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06:44<txomon>babilen, worked!
06:44<niels1>babilen, it might be installed, but without an executable or link named "vim", i guess
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06:45<SynrG>vim-tiny is Priority: important, so yes, is installed with the 'standard' task
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06:45<SynrG>if you don't select the 'standard' task at install time, but only install a 'base' system, that explains why you don't have it
06:46<babilen>niels1: I haven't checked the postinst scripts, but I would be *very* surprised if vim-tiny wouldn't configure /etc/alternatives/vim to point to /usr/bin/vim.tiny
06:46<SynrG>you're missing a whole bunch of other stuff then, too
06:46<babilen>txomon: Did you install the standard task during the installation?
06:46<niels1>babilen, well, i wouldn't be surprised when it provides only a limited feature set
06:46<SynrG>if his network was broken at install time, he might not have been able to if he was using netinst
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06:48<txomon>babilen, standard task?
06:48<babilen>niels1: Yeah, it only provides a very limited feature set, but it is still vim and not the original vi (which isn't even packaged IIRC)
06:48<txomon>I used netboot install
06:49<txomon>via an apt-cacher-ng proxy
06:49<babilen>txomon: Could you paste the output of "aptitude search '~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant'" to please?
06:49<Infiltrator>babilen: I recently did a squeeze install and 'vim' was not found, whereas 'vim.tiny' worked; so I don't think that it does that.
06:49<babilen>Infiltrator: I have to confess that "apt-get install vim-nox" is probably the first thing that I do on a new box, but it still surprises me :-/
06:50<niels1>babilen, well, i just installed to check my theory. there's no "vim" binary/link. the binary is called "vim.tiny" and it installs vi, view. rview and ex alternatives
06:50<Infiltrator>babilen: I was surprised too.
06:50<babilen>oh, ok
06:50<babilen>niels1: Thanks -- I was just booting my "squeeze-pristine" VM :)
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06:50<txomon>what niels1 said
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06:52<txomon>where may I configure the policy weight for remotes?
06:52<babilen>txomon: What are you really trying to do?
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06:52<txomon>those apt-cache policy left column numbers
06:52<babilen>txomon: I understand what you are referring to, but what are you *really* trying to do?
06:52<txomon>babilen, I have configured default-release to wheezy and added experimental and sid sources
06:52<jm_>txomon: man apt_preferences
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06:53<txomon>I need to obtain libreoffice 3.6, and it is just available from experimental
06:53<babilen>txomon: ok, sounds sensible. Why do you want to change the priorities?
06:53<txomon>babilen, won't change, just wanted to know how
06:53<babilen>txomon: Install it with "apt-get -t experimental PKG"
06:53<jm_>also specifying -t on command line adjusts it
06:53<babilen>!tell txomon -about pinning
06:54<babilen>txomon: But you don't need to use pinning as setting the default release achieves the same thing.
06:54<babilen>(a comparable thing rather)
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06:55<txomon>well I usually use apt-get install libreoffice/experimental form
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07:07<txomon>wondering how to install a gnome shell theme... any idea? I don't see in the advancedconfiguration editor any theme in there..
07:07<txomon>just want the adawaita
07:08<txomon>(or that one)
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07:15<txomon>well, I finally succeeded in installing debian as I wanted, in less time that I had supposed (4 hours)
07:15<txomon>will come back later at work ;D bb!
07:15<txomon>and thank you babilen !
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07:27<mooperd>This is not actually a debian question.
07:27<mooperd>but this is the place to get all the really nasty questions answered
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07:27<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
07:27<mooperd>how do I have 27,000 ZFS logical I/O operations. but only 4000NFS operations?
07:28<ectospasm>mooperd: maybe an NFS operation involves more than one ZFS operation?
07:28<kmz>mooperd: network overhead, additional context switches, etc.
07:29<kmz>how do you imagine a network FS to be as fast as local?
07:29<niels1>kmz, i think it's not about speed
07:30<movl>in the end, it is
07:30<kmz>well, "speed" isn't the correct word here
07:30<kmz>I'd say "performance" instead
07:31<kmz>forgive me as I'm not a native speaker :)
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07:32<niels1>i don't know how. he's reporting NFS to actually use less operations (and wondering why). so he most probably isn't asking about bad performance of NFS
07:33<niels1>(i assume accessing a zfs partition via nfs, that assumption may be wrong, agreed)
07:33*kmz definitely needs some more coffee
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07:39<mooperd>I am doing 16K o_direct stuff from mysql. I do not see how there could be more nfs operations than ZFS operatins
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07:53<SynrG>mooperd: at it says "NFS Version 4 uses compound RPCs. An NFS Version 4 client can combine several traditional NFS operations (LOOKUP, OPEN, and READ, for example) into a single RPC request to carry out a complex operation in one network round trip."
07:54<perlwizard>are there any nvidia drivers at all for debian/hurd ?
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07:54<jm_>perlwizard: no, only for i386 and amd64
07:54<perlwizard>so uh
07:54<perlwizard>does at least VGA work
07:54<perlwizard>or something?
07:55<SynrG>jm_: only i386 and amd64? what about
07:56<kmz>perlwizard: nouveau driver supports linux only, and nvidia binary blob only works at i386/amd64
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07:56<SynrG>kmz: that was the clarification i was hinting at. thanks
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07:56<jm_>perlwizard: perhaps try asking in #debian-hurd
07:57<kmz>and the doesn't support hurd, too - just freebsd
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07:57<mooperd>SynrG: Its nfs v3
07:57<SynrG>ah, right. forgout about nv
07:57<jm_>heh the FAQ mentions xserver-common so something must work
07:57*perlwizard off to #debian-hurd
07:58<SynrG>mooperd: no idea. fish out tcpdump and/or wireshark and see for yourself what's going on
07:58<mooperd>SynrG: good plan
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07:58<SynrG>mooperd: i bet the principle is the same for v3. network round trips are expensive, so nfs tries to minimize them.
07:59<SynrG>local filesystems don't have the same constraints
08:01<SynrG>mooperd: the tricky part will be to get some kind of logging for zfs to compare it with, side-by-side. good luck
08:02<mooperd>SynrG: dtrace
08:02<mooperd>is amazing
08:02<SynrG>ah. nice
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08:07<SynrG>mooperd: too bad about the license :p
08:07<mooperd>SynrG: Ja. Actually my NFS is an oracle/sun appliance
08:07<mooperd>ZFS appliance thing
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09:05<jami>i'm in problem.. anybody help?
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09:16<stevedat>May i ask ev'ry one a question?
09:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:17<stevedat>Why i couldn't put my ubuntu on hibernate?
09:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
09:18<fix>I have a similar issue with a laptop that wont come out of standbye
09:18<stevedat>I opened terminal and typed "sudo pm-hibernate"
09:19<fix>I have been told that by making some changes to power management in the bios you may or may not be able to resolve it
09:19<themill>stevedat: you want #ubuntu over on
09:19<stevedat>when i turn on again
09:19<stevedat>it not resume
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09:19<stevedat>I did not see
09:19<fix>Ive also been told that the cause of this, is because your software is expecting something different than what is actually in your bios acpi tables
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09:20<fix>Sorry, Wish I knew the answer myself
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09:34<stratoz>Whats up?
09:34<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
09:35<anita12>disies y tanbien inglis
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09:37<fix>Gentlemen I have a genuine wireless bug in Debian Squeeze with kernel 3.2.0-0amd64
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09:37<fix>after unspecified and seemingly random periods of time, my wireless card becomes non responsive, Ath9k card, unable to bring it back up manually using ifconfig/iwconfig/airmon-ng , I get that damn error, and have to reboot
09:38<fix>stiocflags or w/e u know the error im talking about
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09:38<fix>"unable to get iface flags" or w/e it is
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09:47<SynrG>fix: in such a case i ifdown *and* kill all of: dhclient3, all wpa_* processes before bringing it back up again. usually unwedges it for me.
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09:48<SynrG>might not be the same issue tho
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09:49<SynrG>02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:002b] (rev 01)
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09:49<stratoz>me no hablo espanol
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09:50<fix>ok I didnt kill dhcpclient and wpa_supplicant
09:50<fix>I only restarted network-manager
09:50<SynrG>stratoz: then why make the effort to, especially on an english channel?
09:51<fix>If I can find a manual fix I can script my own watchdog timer using sntop
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09:51<fix>I did have a look through my syslog tho
09:51<fix>I see no obvious errors, a lot of stuff from dhcp client and wpa supplicant tho, but it looks like normal activity
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09:53<SynrG>not sure if the same trick works with network-manager. NM might end up confused if you kill those off out from under it
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09:54<fix>yeah Ill just shut down all the progs that airmon-ng complains about
09:54<fix>should cover them all
09:54<fix>as well as avahi-daemon
09:55<fix>I think its a big in either power management or something in the kernel module
09:55<fix>but Im not qualified to make that determination
09:55<fix>Its just a hunch
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10:00<fix>Upgrade from Debian Squeeze to Wheezy just failed
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10:16<limin>limin@ubuntu:/data/html$ sudo aptitude install unity
10:16<limin>The following NEW packages will be installed:
10:16<limin> compiz-core{a} compiz-plugins-default{a} unity{b}
10:16<limin>0 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
10:16<limin>Need to get 2392 kB of archives. After unpacking 7565 kB will be used.
10:16<limin>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
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10:17<Kakila>hi, how to activate mdns in debian squeeze?
10:18<themill>"aptitude install libnss-mdns"
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10:18<Kakila>themill: done, do I have to restart? mdns-scan shows my other pc and pingin the ip dirctly works, but *.local doesnt
10:18<themill>(depending on what you want to do, you may also want some avahi packages)
10:19<Kakila>themill: ssh mostly.
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10:21<themill>Kakila: what do you have in /etc/nsswitch.conf (this "hosts" line in particular)
10:21*Kakila catting
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10:22<Kakila>hosts: files dns
10:22<Kakila>themill: files dns
10:22<Kakila>themill: networks: files
10:23<Kakila>themill: all the rest: db files
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10:24<themill>installing avahi-daemon should update that line and get your machine registering a .local address
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10:25<Kakila>themill: it says iti already installed. Shall I purge and re-install?
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10:25<themill>hmm... you'd normally end up with "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4" after isntalling those packages.
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10:32<Kakila>themill: how can I restart the avahi-daemon? init.d?
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10:34<stefan877_>hi, is the /sbin/init from emdebian squeeze (multistrap) compatible with kernel 3.6.2?
10:35<themill>Kakila: yeah, that should be enough. (I assume you've edited your /etc/nsswitch.conf at this stage)
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10:37<Kakila>themill: oh, no dint. I do not know wat to put ther... i am reading
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10:38<themill>the line I pasted earlier should be enough. I don't know why that didn't get inserted for you when you installed the "libnss-mdns" package though
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10:40<Kakila>themill: indeed... I purged libnss-mdns and reinstall and now the conf file is correct
10:41<anita12>disies espanichs
10:41<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:41<themill>Kakila: good stuff. that means ".local" name resolution should now work for you
10:42<anita12>ola soy española y tu julian
10:42<Kakila>themill: yeah it is working now. no reboot :D +1 for you. Thank you vry much
10:42<themill>no worries, have fun with it
10:42<Kakila>thank you see you around!
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11:07<urgen0070>есть кто живой ??
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11:07<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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11:15<Zathras>I followed the Samba Domain setup in the Debian wiki and it works fine. Except for winbind with(out) pam. wbinfo -p -g -u all work fine. wbinfo -a does not. illegal handle, NT AUTH failing. According to pam it need kb5 but there is no kb5.conf file etc. Vague
11:15<Zathras>any pointers appreciated
11:15<Zathras>getent works also fine
11:16<Zathras>for some reason there seem to be 2 domains with the same name. And the net rpc interface requires the old root pwd which is also a but odd. I am using the tbd backend as described by the wiki
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11:23<Leololo>good afternoon
11:23<Leololo>I'm having problems with my source.list, I'm using Debian Lenny, I upgrade to the current version?
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11:26<roughnecks>upgrading to squeeze is the best choice (i think)
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11:30<ribe>currentlt running squeeze in a 64 bit laptop with the Gnome desktop.... had an issue getting it to read raw photo files ok now I highly recomend it
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11:31<Leololo>roughnecks how do I upgrade?
11:31<themill>dpkg: tell Leololo about lenny->squeeze
11:31<roughnecks>Leololo: check the release notes
11:31<roughnecks>just google for that
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11:32<Leololo>ok thanks
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11:32<roughnecks>you're welcome
11:33<roughnecks>Leololo: ah, you also have a dpkg query.
11:35<ribe>there are many ways of doing it, you must see which upgrade o re-install option is best for you..
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11:41<Zathras>Leololo, you can even consider moving to Wheezy
11:41<Zathras>lenny is prehistoric nowadays
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11:52<SynrG>i would not recommend wheezy unless someone absolutely knows what they're doing.
11:53<SynrG>that is, understand the consequences of using testing/unstable (faq listed in topic of #debian-next channel explains)
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12:00<Zathras>wheezy has its quirks but Squeeze is soon to be replaced. hence my suggestion
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12:01<roughnecks>you should do 2 steps anyway
12:01<themill>indeed, you can't skip squeeze and try to do lenny->wheezy
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12:02<OZ3TL>? ubuntu from denmark cant remeber the name of it
12:03<themill>there's a #ubuntu-dk on, if that's what you're asking
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12:04<Calinou>SynrG: I can only say "#worksforme"
12:04<Calinou>wheezy is not that unstable
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12:04<Calinou>Zathras: 8 months != soon :P
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12:05<OZ3TL>it was thanks
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12:07<themill>Calinou: there are important limitations to the use of wheezy though, and users should be informed of them before upgrade to wheezy are suggested. (this is especially true where we don't know the context -- wheezy on a server is defintely not a good plan just yet)
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12:13<SynrG>Calinou: what themill said
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12:21<chaos>what does hdparm -w (reset device) do that makes it dangerous?
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12:24<SynrG>chaos: probably corrupts filesystems
12:25<SynrG>can't say. maybe you want to talk to upstream rather than asking random #debian-ites?
12:25<babilen>chaos: It stares at you while you sleep as a punishment for cross-posting.
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12:31<kareti>hi every one.
12:32<kareti>is there any one in this location?
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12:32<t>517 people
12:32<kareti>hum. so thats great hearing form some one
12:32<themill>kareti: 513 people and 3 bots, by the looks of it.
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12:32<mtn>virtually anyway
12:32<t>actually im a bot too
12:32<kareti>so why the hell the room is so silent ?
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12:33<t>because you get bitched at for being off topic
12:33<themill>kareti: umm.. you only just joined. How would you know? This is a working channel for end-user support. If there are no bugs, there's nothing to talk about
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12:34<kareti> i am new to this irc chat.
12:34<kareti>thats the reason..
12:34<kareti>sorry for ignorance
12:34<themill>kareti: #debian-offtopic is for social chatter
12:35<kareti>oh. thank you for that. actually i would like to know how this irc works.
12:36<roughnecks>!ircprimer kareti
12:37<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": . See also "The IRC Prelude":
12:37<roughnecks>kareti: ^
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12:38<kareti>thank you very much for the link. i am checking that.
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12:39<roughnecks>no problems :)
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12:42<SynrG>kareti: also, if you're not a debian user and you're only here because your irc client defaults to #debian, change the default
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12:42<t>well hes either a deb or debian derivative user
12:43<t>probably ubuntu
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12:43<t>those assholes who refuse to contribute upstream
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12:44<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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12:47<SynrG>t: please avoid such inflammatory language. thanks
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12:53<Screwba>feeling the SynrG love here today...sheesh... ;-)
12:54<t>someone needs to remove a stick from a certain cavity
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12:55<t>not the nose either ;p
12:55<t>i wonder if that phrasing meets the standards of censorship
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12:56<mtn>t: it is more of a "polite behavior promotes polite behavior" than anything else (also called being an adult)
12:56<SynrG>not interested in dealing with assholes today. bye
12:56*Screwba like to think he is still a least at heart
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12:57<t>i wasnt being impolite i was making light of the situation
12:57<t>why is everyone so prissy and uptight
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12:57<t>live a little, we are hackers, we speak our minds, we bring the truth to light
12:58<themill>t: please try to improve your signal:noise. Thanks.
12:58<t>politeness is for people who don't believe in the truth and hide behind facades and phonyness
12:58<t>certainly, im done
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13:01<t>no wonder i turned down my deb dev friend when he wanted to sponsor me
13:02<t>anyway, i wont shatter the peace and quiet any longer
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13:02<themill>t: this is a working channel. Professional conduct and courtesy is expected.
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13:07<Leonov>hi all
13:07<retrospectacus>hi Leonov
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13:08<Leonov>today i have installed Squeez on my laptop, and set up most things, only one left is screen resolution
13:08<Leonov>it lenovo t420
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13:08<Leonov>and i can't get more then 1024x768
13:09<Leonov>my screen resolution is 1600x900
13:09<retrospectacus>you probably need to upgrade the video driver.
13:09<Leonov>question is how to set up to show my native resolution
13:09<retrospectacus>what video card is in there?
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13:10<retrospectacus> does not usually need any setup at all
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13:10<Leonov>sorry, it's nVidia NVS 4200M
13:11<Leonov>i have old T60 with Intel graphics
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13:11<retrospectacus>!tell Leonov about nvidia
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13:11<retrospectacus>!tell Leonov about nvidia dkms
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13:12<retrospectacus>Leonov: follow the links and directions the robot told you, ask if you have questions or trouble
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13:13<Leonov>retrospectacus: thank you. :)
13:14<retrospectacus>you're welcome
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13:28<zimme>any suggestions on how to reduce a debian squezze virtuozzo container based on default debian template to only debian base system?
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13:30<cinch>in aptitude, hitting "C" on a package to get the changelog, it often says "404 not found" any ideas?
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13:30<cinch>zimme, uninstall packages
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13:30<retrospectacus>zimme: debootstrap?
13:30<retrospectacus>danilo: hi. English only here.
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13:31<zimme>i was thinking mayby get dpkg --get-selections from a base system, then set-selections on container, but want to purge config files too
13:32<tdullien>good day
13:32<tdullien>I was on this channel yesterday with a problem arising from having made the mistake of installing "newer" x packages on squeeze
13:32<cinch>zimme, then purge the packages
13:32<tdullien>(to get a tablet to work)
13:32<tdullien>the suggested solution was upgrading the entire system to wheezy
13:32<cinch>tdullien, whats the problem?
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13:33<tdullien>the problem is that when I try the dist-upgrade
13:33<tdullien>I get the following error:
13:33<tdullien>E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'python-pyatspi2'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
13:33<retrospectacus>zimme: I've only used openvz, not virtuozzo but I used debootstrap to create a totally minimal debian, chroot into that and install some things if necessary, tar.gz that and hey you have a new template
13:33<tdullien>so I checked the man pages, but I am quite unsure what to do
13:33<tdullien>sorry for being such a hassle :-/
13:33<cinch>zimme, iirc there are base install templates for openvz somewhere
13:33<cinch>zimme, or make your own
13:34<zimme>only have access to VPS not to host system, so cant reinstall vps with my own template
13:34<retrospectacus>!tell tdullien about immediate configuration
13:34<retrospectacus>!tell tdullien about debian-next
13:34<squeezeguy>hi, could anybody tell me wich version of vlc could I install from the most uptodated repository? I've got the 1.1.3-1squeeze6 version and I am having problems with compositing (my video only shows a black screen while sound works perfectly)
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13:35<retrospectacus>zimme: just purge packages then
13:36<zimme>thnxz anyways, i'll try get set selections with purge option =)
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13:38<cinch>zimme, i got a vps with openvz, luckily is was a minimal install
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13:39<zimme>cinch: mine have apache, mysql and a lot of other stuff that I realy don't need
13:40<zimme>makes more sense to start with base system and install only what u need
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13:40<cinch>zimme, exactly
13:40<cinch>no idea why they do that...
13:41<retrospectacus>squeezeguy: you'd need to upgrade to wheezy to install vlc 2 from sid.
13:41<cinch>purge dem packages!
13:41<themill>zimme: "aptitude purge ~nmysql~i ~napache~i" etc will get rid of stuff for you. You may like to "/msg dpkg uninstall everything" but be careful...
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13:41<themill>,v vlc --release squeeze-backports
13:41<judd>Package: vlc on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-1~bpo60+1
13:41<themill>squeezeguy: ^^
13:42<cinch>make a backup before you purge alot
13:42<cinch>then you can safely restore if something goes wrong
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13:42<cinch>even tar on a live box can do a full backup
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13:43<retrospectacus>squeezeguy: oops, ignore me. what themill said
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13:43<zimme>themill: just what i was looking for
13:44<retrospectacus>don't uninstall ssh ;)
13:44<squeezeguy>thank you retrospectacus, but I'd like to stay in squeeze. Thank you themill
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13:45<themill>zimme: take care with that shotgun you're aiming at your foot.
13:46<squeezeguy>yes, thank you retrospectacus
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14:17<borbor>All open source and free software developers are thieves because they don't have a source of money, all pirate, warez, nulled and cracked software downloaders and users are thieves because it is agains the rules to download software and shit pirately, and all software sellers are in a good position to kiss my ass, because there are pirate downloaders!
14:17<borbor>all niggers are criminals
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14:17<blubberdiblub>!ops borbor
14:17<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: blubberdiblub complains about: borbor
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14:44<lduros>is there a channel dedicated to IceWeasel?
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16:11<PaulePanter>pool[5519]: segfault at a31053e8 ip a31053e8 sp a24f9b8c error 15
16:11<PaulePanter>Where does that process belong to?
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16:39<Guest2115>how do i enable ultranav. support for my thinkpad in squeeze ?
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16:50<melodie>I would like to know something about poor man install in wheezy and in a wheezy home made with a customized environment ?
16:50<melodie>hi retrospectacus
16:51<melodie>here is where I get this type of tools usually:
16:51<melodie>when mounting the iso image from Wheezy with Openbox, I find a initrd.img file whereas on the ftp it is a initrd.gz file.
16:53<melodie>I also compared the vmlinuz files, obviously they are different. My question is : are the hd-media made only for original wheezy isos ? and if I use "initrd.img" from the customized iso, is it likely to work ? (iso made with remastersys)
16:53<melodie>thanks if someone has clues to help me clear out
16:53<melodie>I forgot : the original iso used was a netinstall
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17:00<avtobiff>melodie, i don't quite follow your line of questions, can you elaborate
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17:01<avtobiff>melodie, is this relevant?
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17:04<melodie>avtobiff, I take a look, thanks
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17:06<melodie>avtobiff, no, but thanks.
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17:07<melodie>avtobiff, here is the custom iso I want to install to hdd:
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17:07<melodie>I would like to install it from usb, using the manual method to setup the usb stick
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17:12<melodie>avtobiff, I found ! it works ! :D
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17:38<r2d2>hello, i did try to make color font on my GNOME task bar, now i did read somewehre that i must enter "gedit .gtkrc-2.0" in terminal, i did this and a blank file did appear in the editor, in the console its did appear a lot of text telling me something about missing or missconfigured D_Bus serrion manager, what is this and how can i configure it now?
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17:38<r2d2>i dont like errors
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17:39<r2d2>D-Bus session manager^^
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17:47<iirelu>ive been trying to install debian for like 6 hours
17:47<iirelu>this is a bad place for someone who has only ever used windows for the most part
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17:48<r2d2>i am since on week installing and reinstalling debian :))
17:49<dpkg>The Installation Guide for Debian Squeeze (6.0) can be found at . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>.
17:49<r2d2>but debian seems better to me then SuSe or Knoppix on my pc
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17:50<iirelu>will check back if i cant manage to get it working
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17:51<r2d2>on this linux stuff all problems come at the same time :( just install and then look at where you like and fix erros before any thing else
17:52<r2d2>i cant change the font color in my gnome taskbar, now i found a way but on this way i get messages about d-bus session manager errors .... i have no idea what this is or what i could be ... less i know how to fix it ... and i am wondering where i should stard to read
17:53<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
17:55<iirelu>i installed debian on virtualbox yesterday to see if i liked it and it was pretty good. of course reality is a lot harder.
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17:56<retrospectacus>r2d2: you can change that in Appearance Preferences
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17:56<r2d2>i was trying to change font color in GNOME ... i did read on a site that i must enter "gedit .gtkrc-2.0" on a console as root user ... so i did this ... a editor did pop up and did open a blank file, in the console a message did appear ... D-Bus session manager is missconfigured or missing ... in german the message looks like ....
17:57<r2d2># gedit .gtkrc-2.0
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17:57<r2d2>(gedit:7298): EggSMClient-WARNING **: Failed to connect to the session manager: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported
17:57<r2d2>GConf-Fehler: Fehler beim Kontakt des Konfigurationsservers; die häufigste Ursache liegt in einem fehlenden oder fehlkonfigurierten D-Bus-Sitzungs-Daemon. Lesen Sie für weitere Informationen (Details - 1: Verbindung zur Sitzung konnte nicht abgerufen werden: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, t
17:57<r2d2>he reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.).
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17:58<retrospectacus>r2d2: looks like you ran it as root which is wrong
17:58<r2d2>so what now? i found that d-bus is used to communicate (some thing)
17:58<retrospectacus>r2d2: and I told you, you can change the colour in Appearance Preferences
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17:59<r2d2>i did not find it ... so google broght me to and i did try to follow this
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18:00<r2d2>hmm ... ok i try now again ... let me close this windows and then i will search again for this colour preferences :D
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18:13<r2d2>hey man thanks a lot ... i found the colour preferences ... i guess for beginners it is better to instal linux in english ... in german all the messages and preferences have a other name ;(
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18:24<r2d2>a other question ... in FVWM i can move the mouse to the border of the desktop then it will switch to the desktop/page at the site of the screen border ... is this in GNOME possible too?
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18:58<wissem>I can't get my usb headphone to work with alsa audio on debian wheezy :(
18:59<wissem>tried this:
18:59<wissem>still nothing
18:59<wissem>even my system sound stopped working now!
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19:04<lcc>this is a test.
19:06<retrospectacus>is it working?
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19:07<retrospectacus>!tell wissem about audio
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19:09<lcc>I'm testing ircII
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19:09<wissem>retrospectacus: do you realise that what dpkg is going to tell me is available on debian docs?
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19:09<iirelu>i consistently get the error "no common CD-ROM drive was detected" when using a usb drive
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19:11<retrospectacus>iirelu: remove the erroneous CDROM line from /etc/fstab
19:12<r2d2>on my debian squeezee the default file manager is nautilus ... i would like to change that to dolphin ... in gnome is a default application option but no options for the file manager ... how do i get dolphin as default?
19:12<iirelu>i dont have debian installed, im trying to install it
19:13<retrospectacus>r2d2: dolphin is kde
19:13<retrospectacus>iirelu: oh, how did you create the usb ?
19:13<r2d2>if i type under GNOME therminal dolphin it starts and seems to work well
19:14<iirelu>extracted the contents of debian-6.0.6-amd64-CD-1.iso to a usb stick
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19:14<r2d2>some messages did appear in the terminal when dolphin did start ... b ut it did start and works
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19:15<retrospectacus>iirelu: standard way is " cat debian-6.0.6-amd64-CD-1.iso > /dev/sdb; sync "
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19:15<iirelu>im more or less a linux newbie, so i have no idea what that means
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19:16<r2d2>exept of retrospectacus we all seem to be newbies :)) ... must be a hard day to retrospectacus helping us ;D
19:17<retrospectacus>normal day :)
19:17<mtn>r2d2: plug this into your favorite search engine: change from nautilus to dolphin
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19:17<retrospectacus>r2d2: well... create ~/bin/nautilus with content: dolphin $@
19:17<retrospectacus>or just switch to kde
19:20<iirelu>how do i do it on linux?
19:20<iirelu>windows* brain fail
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19:20<r2d2>can i use gnome, fvwm and kde at the same time ... i mean can i install gnome and kde ... until now i know that kde and fvwm works and that gnome and fvwm works ... but all three together? ... can i install all possible desktop/window managers together without problems? or do they corrupt maybe each other?
19:21<retrospectacus>iirelu: nobody knows... windows doesn't have complex programs like "cat"
19:21<iirelu>so i need linux to install linux... huh
19:21<retrospectacus>iirelu: joking. but I don't know
19:22<mtn>r2d2: you can have all of them, they might cause a few problems, but mostly not.
19:22<retrospectacus>r2d2: you can, but you will confuse people when they try to help you
19:22<mtn>aren't we already confused?
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19:23<r2d2>cool i will try more of them ... until now FVWM is my favorite ... but gnome and kde are more windows like
19:24<iirelu>im trying to install debian alongside windows 7, i have no cd drive, and i would like to use hard drive or usb to install it
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19:25<mtn>iirelu: I think windows has a dd command, which works well making a bootable usb drive
19:25<r2d2>linux is confusing for sure ... this is independ of the windows manager ... even a console is enough to be confused :))
19:25<iirelu>yeah, i had the disfortune of growing up with windows :(
19:26<mtn>iirelu: Still time to learn. :P
19:26*retrospectacus finds windows much more confusing
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19:26<iirelu>but i wouldve had more, oh well
19:26*mtn has no idea what this windows thing is
19:26<retrospectacus>mtn: lucky
19:27<mtn>retrospectacus: yes, very
19:27<r2d2>i think i saw some kind of live debian usb thing ... maybe you can put this live usb system on your usb and then boot with your usb stick and from there you maybe can install your debian
19:28<iirelu>huh, ill try that
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19:28<iirelu>at least im getting a lot of experience with trying to get debian working over the last few days
19:28<retrospectacus>iirelu: /msg dpkg live
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19:29<iirelu>retrospectacus you are a fine person
19:29<r2d2>i had a week with installing and reinstalling debian until i got into here today ;))
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19:29<retrospectacus>why thank you iirelu
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19:42<iirelu>oh, the live install is bigger than the other ones
19:43<iirelu>i think ill just call it a day and continue with this tomorrow
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20:44<cindy>morning :)
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20:56<joseph-soares>how do I see fan action using lm-sensors?
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21:02<sifu__>or peek iside to see the fan action
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21:20<joseph-soares>sifu__, trfm? is it a software?
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21:31<prappl93>Whenever I turn my box on, I get this message in the dmesg report: [ 2.132605] sdhci-pci 0000:09:00.1: Invalid iomem size. You may experience problems. and it's usually followed by: [ 2.212635] firewire_ohci: Register access failure - please notify
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21:32<prappl93>Are these minor errors, or should I be concerned?
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21:36<r2d2>a question, i use xchat and often i get disconnects the message is in german but it tells me some thing like "the connection got reset by my connection-partner" ... what could that be ... is this because of me or is this because of the irc server here or what? ... in my web browser the internet seems to work all the time
21:36<r2d2>every eror is bad
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21:44<tony_>anybody there?
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21:44<prappl93>I'm here, I suppose.
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21:45<tony_>Hi there : )
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21:45<rocket>is there a specific channel I should be going to to ask packaging related questions?
21:45<prappl93>r2d2, did it just do that error you were describing earlier?
21:45<tony_>got confused with .pptx file type : )
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21:45<prappl93>.pptx is a Microsoft Office PowerPoint file.
21:45<tony_>which application i'm supposed to be open for .pptx ?
21:46<tony_>can we open .pptx in ubuntu?\
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21:46<prappl93>OpenOffice Impress should open it
21:47<tony_>thank you dear : )
21:47<prappl93>LibreOffice, that comes on Ubuntu, should have an equivalent of it.
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21:49<debdog>der fehler war: "...hat das Netzwerk verlassen (Read error: Connection reset by peer)"
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21:49<debdog>der fehler war: "...hat das Netzwerk verlassen (Read error: Connection reset by peer)"
21:50<r2d2>der fehler ist "Getrennt (Die Verbindung wurde vom Kommunikationspartner zurückgesetzt)." ... in xchat ... so sehe ich das
21:51<r2d2>also damit ist doch der server gemeint? und nicht ich ... aber bei dir steht ich sei schuld... das ist verwirrend
21:52<debdog>ja, der server setzt die verbindung zurück
21:52<tony_>To prapp193: when i'm trying i got this message "CD/DVD 'Ubuntu-Studio 12.04.1 _Precise Pangolin_ - Release i386 (20120818)' is required"
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21:53<r2d2>also dann liegt das nicht an mir das es manchmal extrem viel disconnectet? der server hasst mich einfach?
21:54<debdog>nein, peer ist immer der server. also sagt er hier auch, daß dieser die verbindung abbricht (warum genau auch immer)
21:54<tony_>when i'm trying to install LibreOffice Impress, got this pop up "CD/DVD 'Ubuntu-Studio 12.04.1 _Precise Pangolin_ - Release i386 (20120818)' is required"
21:54<prappl93>tony_, are you running off of a live-CD of Ubuntu, or a full install?
21:54<debdog>r2d2: oder irgendwo auf dem weg zum server
21:54<ext5>sounds like ubuntu he is running
21:55<r2d2>ok dann bin ich beruhigt ... fühle mich richtig willkommen auf dem server :D
21:55<tony_>I'm running from installed one (Ubuntu Studio (12.4)
21:57<prappl93>tony_, I'm not familiar with that Ubuntu variation, hold on while I try and find an install for you.
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21:57<ext5>tony, how are you gonna ask a question like that on a debian irc
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21:57<debdog>rocket: IIRC it is #debian-mentors
21:57<rocket>debdog: I found it .. thanks
21:57<tony_>Whats wrong with that : )
21:58<ext5>ubuntu takes alot from debian and doesnt not give back to debian
21:58<tony_>Dear i was under custody of Dead blue for a last 10 years.
21:59<prappl93>tony_, ext5 is correct in this aspect, there is an official Ubuntu support channel on another chat server that may be more useful.
21:59<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
22:00<tony_>Yeah got it : ) Thanx guys \n Hv a nice time there: D
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22:01<prappl93>What the... did they manually type a newline char?
22:03<ext5>tony_, however to be totally rude. try aligning your sourse list with ubuntu or take out the cd repo out of source list
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22:04<ext5>not rude*
22:05<prappl93>ext5, they dc'd
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22:15<ext5>tony_ dc'd?
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22:27<r2d2>i hope to be back soon ... i think i need a reboot and hope there will appear more then a black screen after the bios info :))
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22:32<ext5>why do they always have to come out with a new version of a application every now and then.why not take the time to buld something solid.
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23:30<r2d2>ok i did install now kde and i dont like it ... but maybe its usefull... i did reboot and the computer seems to start without problems ... the network is also working ... seems as i had luck and so i am happy now :D
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23:31<r2d2>now i need to figure out how to configure a firewall :)) else i will not log into the chat but the chat will login into my pc :))
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