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00:09<think>can i umount /boot if it is on a separate partition after the system is up and running?
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00:14<fix>grr need to enable mousepad tap/click on LXDE/squeeze
00:14<fix>I dont see any option for it
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00:17<MrFrood>fix: I suggest you google xorg.comf setting for your device
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00:18<engla>this think guy..
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00:24<fix>so lemme see if I can get this right
00:24<fix>Debian and Sun-Java are no longer friends because Oracle wont allow Debian to fix a serious security flaw?
00:28<nevyn>that sounds... plausible
00:28<nevyn>oracle relicenced sun java after it was aquired in a way that prevented it being distributed
00:29<MrFrood>fix: Oracle changed the license and now NO linux distributions have Java 7 in their repros
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00:30<MrFrood>the only way to getOracle Java 7 is from oracle, although there is a tool to make a debian package from the oracle bin file in the repros
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00:31<fix>so in other words, oracle sucks, and now we can focus on Open-JDK
00:31<MrFrood>It's all pretty well covered in the debian wiki
00:31*simonlnu has openjdk installed
00:31<MrFrood>fix: got it in one
00:31<fix>dont need their non-free slavery anyway
00:32<fix>I dont want non-free software anyway I can get around it, is a good way
00:32<simonlnu>works good enough for me
00:32<fix>freedom is important
00:32<fix>let me guess, minecraft?
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00:34<fix>Was hoping that squeeze-backports would have a newer version of Nmap, only has v5
00:34<simonlnu>not only ;). various web apps, building stuff, writing , etc.
00:34<fix>^ mmhmm
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00:35*fix looks at simonlnu with skepticism
00:36<fix>Hmm anyone know of a functional flashplayer replacement for debian?
00:36<MrFrood>mplayer ?
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00:37<simonlnu>youtube-dl/cclive + mplayer ;p
00:37<fix>I have mplayer and that aint cutting it
00:37<fix>Manually downloading the video and running it outside the browser is a silly notion
00:37<fix>and that is NOT a realistic solution
00:38<fix>isnt gnash supposed to do this?
00:38<MrFrood>fix: for youtube you could try minitube
00:38<fix>no, we need a browser plugin replacement for flashplayer than is free
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00:38<fix>Why the heck isnt youtube using html alt src for content??
00:39<simonlnu>you have to manually enable it or use the query string
00:39<fix>If youtube insists on using flashplayer then they should at least have coded an alt src for html5 enabled browsers
00:40<fix>manually enable what?
00:41<fix>maybe thats googles way of sticking it to apple
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00:42<gnugr>fix:the only way is to add non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list to get flashplugin-nonfree (or stay with Stallman's policy)
00:43<MrFrood>ort maybe it is just the slow progress of technology...
00:44*gnugr salutes MrFrood
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00:47<MrFrood>er... yay?
00:48<fix>I think Ill stick with Stallman and wait for html5 to kick adobes sorry proprietary asses to the curb where they belong
00:49<fix>thanks for the youtube link, works good
00:49<fix>In the meantime I can set a redirect acl in my squid proxy to forward all my users to this url
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00:53<gnugr>sometimes freedom needs to be more flexible to serve us
00:53<Madmannutcase1>anyone out there?
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00:58<joseph-soares>can I know here how do I configure vim to have python suport?
00:59<MrFrood>joseph-soares: do you have some reason for not using idle?
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01:01<joseph-soares>MrFrood, I develop using DJango
01:03<MrFrood>fair enough, I'm a huge vi fam but with python I 've sucummed to the ease of using idle
01:05<joseph-soares>MrFrood, I'm looking for a better way to develop in python + django (so I use html too). I like Eclipse, but it is very heavy in a poor computer
01:06<MrFrood>well as I said idle seduced me so I never got around to trying to set vim up for python
01:07<joseph-soares>MrFrood, Does IDLE work with Django?
01:07<MrFrood>no idea
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01:11<simonlnu>joseph-soares: vim-gtk and such should
01:11<joseph-soares>simonlnu, is vim-gtk the same as vim-gnome?
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01:13<AWeisy7>what up
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01:16<simonlnu>joseph-soares: without the extra gnome stuff, otherwise yes
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01:19<joseph-soares>thank you
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01:24<leoax>tengo problema
01:25<leoax>con el procesador de textos
01:25<leoax>comete errores
01:25<gnugr>leoax:english please
01:25<leoax>um hay alguien que me ayude
01:25<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
01:25<leoax>no is spinglish
01:28<atem>hola leoax
01:28<atem>de donde eres?
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01:45<jla>I'm stumped on a networking issue on a debian server, running out of ideas for search terms, and would appreciate some fresh ideas. The server has a half-dozen ip addresses bound to one interface, with different services on those IP addresses. I can ping and be pinged from only two of them. The rest get responses according to tshark, but the program (ping, apache2, etc) never gets the response.
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02:09<fix>I just had a similar issue jla, turns out it was a crappy Dlink router
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02:09<fix>Could ping host a from host b, but not back, or I would get high latency to a host but not from it, it was rediculous, if you have any Dlink Hardware and room in a nearby trash can I suggest you put the DLink router into the trash where it should go
02:12<jla>fix: :) unfortunately no dlink gear at this location to blame it on. It is so odd. tshark shows ping send and response, but the ping program doesn't say it sees it. When I ping from remote, tshark sees inbound but no response. If it was just the 'main' ip that worked, I would blame routing more but it's two of them, no rhyme or reason
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02:13<fix>Do you have any custom ipfilters rules setup?
02:13<fix>If not, then might try iptables --list to see if anything has been changed in your iptables
02:13<fix>or iptables -F will flush any rules that might be in there
02:14<fix>of course , I have to ask, what kind of router is this going through? or is it just a plain jane network switch?
02:14<jla>ya, lots via shorewall. I think all log. I've removed some stuff but not gone and ripped it out.
02:15<jla>simple managed switch with no features turned on
02:15<fix>yeah sounds like issues with the shorewall blocking icmp responses
02:15<fix>or likewise, no rule allowing it
02:15<jla>tcp/ip too, like port 80 http
02:15<fix>I use a Mikrotik, so I have custom rules for that stuff too
02:16<fix>Yeah I believe, dont know this for sure, but sounds like an issue with your shorewall router, not particularly with debian
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02:26<Tigerboy>joseph-soares try to get package vim-nox and or vim-gnome etc -set up for scripting I think
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02:30<jla>fix: i cleared it (shorewall clear, iptables -L empty) and thought that did the trick because the next ip address I tested worked, but no. Now I have 3 / 7 working, the other four still act the same.
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02:31<jla>the packets make it to the right place, so its in the subnet and must be arp'ing for the address
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02:41<fix>yeah make sure u dont have any uneccesary routes
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02:42<fix>but I cant go on about that here since technicially its #debian and theyll whip me with an industrial fly swatter if I dont stfu
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03:22<doubledutch>Hello world! I'm back in the US of A with a permanent office! IRSSI running on a permanent SAMSUNG thinclient above my workstation.
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03:26<mjrosenb_>doubledutch: samsung thinclient?
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03:27<doubledutch>Yes, it's got Windows PE or CE or something installed on firmware. I've got a 4gb thumbdrive with Debian on it (no actual hdd in this thing).
03:28<mjrosenb_>doubledutch: that's the name of the device?
03:30<doubledutch>SyncMaster 720xt... here's some images of the device in all of it's Debtastic glory...
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03:31<doubledutch> -and-
03:33<doubledutch>If you get past the darkness... on windows on my main workstation at the moment because I'm configuring samba on my NAS. OpenMediaVault NAS which is Debian based.
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03:42<doubledutch>matrex: Hallo
03:43<matrex>how r u ?
03:43<doubledutch>Doing well, what's your question/problem tonight?
03:44<matrex>i need download from youtube
03:44<matrex>i cant
03:44<doubledutch>Have you heard of a package called
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03:44<stderr>Has anyone installed Xen on either squeeze or wheezy recently? I'm get a kernel panic about noacpi not being supported on Xen, but as far as I can tell, I'm not setting that option anywhere. :-/
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03:45<doubledutch>minitube ? it can download youtube videos. Also, if you google it, there are a number of suitable ways to perform the task you're looking at.
03:45<doubledutch>try the command "apt-cache search youtube"
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03:46<doubledutch>If you have multimedia sources, especially, there are some tools listed there you'd be interested in. :D
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03:48<Guest2582>hello out there
03:48<doubledutch>Guest2582: Hallo!
03:49<Calinou>hi mr. knoppix
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03:52<haig>I've completely removed nagios off my system. But it stil keeps sending mails. How can that be?
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03:55<EmleyMoor>I appear to have a cp that hasn't "finished", though the file is complete on the destination. How can I stop the cp so I can remove the destination filesystem?
03:56<haig>ps -A and find the process, than kill it
03:56<EmleyMoor>haig: It's undying
03:57<haig>killall ?
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03:57<EmleyMoor>Killed the shell it was run from
03:58<stderr>EmleyMoor: Are you sure it's complete and not just a cached version?
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03:58<stderr>Does lsof say anything about the file still being open?
03:58<EmleyMoor>stderr: I can't conclusively investigate while the cp is still goind
03:59<EmleyMoor>It diffs OK
03:59<EmleyMoor>lsof still shows it, though
03:59<stderr>Any idea why cp didn't finish?
03:59<EmleyMoor>No, it just didn't
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04:00<EmleyMoor>Now the file is still busy so I'm still stuck
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04:01<stderr>Just curious, what filesystem?
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04:01<EmleyMoor>ext4 to vfat
04:02<EmleyMoor>I'm still stuck
04:02<jla>maybe filesystem error, check logs
04:02<stderr>Destination full?
04:03<jla>haig: the ghost of nagios :)
04:03<EmleyMoor>stderr: No, destination just over 33% full
04:03<EmleyMoor>No filesystem errors in logs
04:03<jla>if it's not dead yet, maybe try attaching a strace
04:03<EmleyMoor>It's dead, but still holding the fi
04:04<EmleyMoor>I need to free it, somehow
04:04<haig>jla: this is very weird, never seen it. If i stop the postfix deamon, the mails of course stop :-)
04:05<EmleyMoor>Ah, it's freed itself
04:05<stderr>umount and fsck...
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04:05<stderr>And check, if the file really was copied...
04:05<blubberdiblub>maybe it was just waiting for the buffers to flush to the disk, EmleyMoor. be a bit more patient next time maybe? ;)
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04:06<jla>haig: so there is no nagios process running? you uninstalled the package?
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04:07<jla>I don't have a nagios email in front of me, but don't the headers indicate the process id that created the message?
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04:10<Calinou><haig> ps -A < there's a thing called "top", 105% more convenient
04:13<jla>found one, and no process id.
04:14<ajedwards>Calinou: better way, ps -A | grep cp
04:14<Calinou>that works too
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04:15<jla>haig: when is your most recent email, and what userid is in the header? Might help track down the culprit
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04:43<prime>good morning every one
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04:45<prime>please suggest me some channel where i can find network hackers!
04:45<prime>i want some information.
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04:51<prime>hum.! why lol?
04:52<prime>so can i ask the question here?
04:52<prime>yes pls.
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04:53<nevernevernever>a question.. my ubuntu boot menu has a little world with the word debian on it since the latest updates, does someone know why? xD
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04:56<prime>usually i get old Linux version , extra option when there is a kernel update.
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05:03<ompaul>nevernevernever: your ubuntu boot menu ... that would a thing derived from debian I imagine, but as I understand it we don't support ubuntu here I guess you need to ask in #ubuntu unless you have more qualifying information you would like to share so we could actually understand what was there what put it there and what you updated
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05:04<ompaul>nevernevernever: ^^^
05:04<ompaul>prime: insufficent information to even understand what you are asking or saying.
05:05<nevernevernever>ompaul the normal updates.. i dont know how the name is in english, in german its "Aktualisierungsverwaltung"..
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05:05<nevernevernever>but i will ask in #ubuntu then, thanks
05:05<ompaul>nevernevernever: in what operating system ...
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05:06<ompaul>I'll guess it wasn't debian.
05:06<nevernevernever>ompaul, ubuntu 12.04
05:06<nevernevernever>thats why i wonder
05:06<ompaul>nevernevernever: nothing to do with us
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05:06<nevernevernever>ompaul i guess you could help because it was debian.. and i never used debian
05:07<ompaul>what was debian?
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05:07<nevernevernever>ompaul in my boot menu.. theres a little world on my screen with the word debian on it
05:07<nevernevernever>thats why i ask here..
05:07<nevernevernever>'cause i never used debian
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05:08<ompaul>prime: keep it in channel thanks I'm ignoring your pm
05:08<calzifer>nevernevernever: this?
05:09<nevernevernever>thats next to the word debian.. but its on a little world ._.
05:09<nevernevernever>i wonder how this world come into my boot menu ...
05:09<calzifer>i think this is because ubuntu uses the debian branches
05:09<calzifer>and sometimes they forget to patch something
05:09<ompaul>nevernevernever: because it came from upstream debian and the people doing the menu left out your little circle?
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05:10<ompaul>nevernevernever: it's a ubuntu problem if you think it is a problem file your bug with them
05:10<prime>i want to know if there is nay way to access network for all application using packet injection?
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05:11<prime>want the packets to have a diff mac address and to be injected in to the wireless network.
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05:58<WeirdAAR>Hey Guys. I have some problem with my sound. I install squeeze recently, but can't get the headphones jack working. Speakers are fine, but when I plugin headphones, there isn't any sound. I have checked alsamixer, and nothings is muted, and sound is turned up.
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06:07<ectospasm>WeirdAAR: is your headphone jack actually connected to the motherboard properly?
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06:12<WeirdAAR>ectospasm, It's a laptop, and it has worked before, so I pretty sure it is.
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06:12<ectospasm>WeirdAAR: do the headphones have a separate mixer slider in alsamixer?
06:12<ectospasm>and they're not set to MM?
06:12<ectospasm>so they are?
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06:13<WeirdAAR>double negative. Headphone slide it not MM. It's set to 70 at the moment.
06:14<ectospasm>WeirdAAR: and if you adjust it (up or down) it doesn't come on?
06:14<WeirdAAR>ectospasm, No.
06:15<ectospasm>...and the headphones work in another device, like a smartphone or MP3 player?
06:15<WeirdAAR>ectospasm, but if I unplug the headphones the speaker are fine.
06:15<WeirdAAR>ectospasm, Yes.
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06:15<ectospasm>WeirdAAR: do the speakers turn off when you plug in the headphones?
06:16<WeirdAAR>ectospasm, Yes.
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06:17<ectospasm>OK, then something is reacting to the headphones being plugged in, we just have to figure out what it is.
06:18<ectospasm>How many sound devices show up in alsamixer? Press F6 to see a list
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06:18<WeirdAAR>ectospasm, Yeah. I'm guessing it might be before it's a new laptop, and the soundcard might now have a proper kernel module ?
06:18<ompaul>planting a seed if you haven't solved it in a reasonable amount of time wrong impedance
06:18<ectospasm>WeirdAAR: possibly
06:18<WeirdAAR>ectospasm, default and hda intel pch
06:18<ectospasm>If this is a new laptop, I'd recommend wheezy instead of squeeze
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06:18<ectospasm>it's almost-stable
06:18<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>.
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06:19<ompaul>use it to get a newer kernel so you minimise your exposure to testing
06:19<WeirdAAR>ectospasm, well, I did update the kernel via backports, to fix another issue, so I have a newer kernel
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06:19<ectospasm>WeirdAAR: uname -r?
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06:21<ectospasm>looks like that's equivalent to 3.2.23
06:21<ectospasm>...but that's just a guess (I'm not using squeeze)
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06:22<ectospasm>WeirdAAR: what chipset is your sound device using? Probably need to look in lspci or lsusb
06:23<Calinou><ectospasm> If this is a new laptop, I'd recommend wheezy instead of squeeze
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06:23<Calinou>even sid is more stable than ubuntu :3
06:24<ectospasm>Calinou: is that because sid is still slushy?
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06:24<SynrG>not sure if that statement would stand up under objective analysis
06:25<Calinou>no, because ubuntu is based on frozen sid
06:25<WeirdAAR>ectospasm, I don't know what part of the info is the chipset. What am I looking for?
06:25<ectospasm>WeirdAAR: pastebin the output of lspci and lsusb
06:25<ectospasm> will probably be in one or the other
06:25<SynrG>stability is a function of how many changes are made over time, and how 'disruptive' those changes are
06:26<ectospasm>...depending on whether your sound device is a PCI(e) device, or a USB device
06:26<SynrG>sid undergoes such constant change, i have my doubts if any debian derivative is more unstable than unstable.
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06:27<Calinou>SynrG: try ubuntu 12.10 and see :P
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06:27<Calinou>an ubuntu release after a LTS is always buggy
06:27<SynrG>Calinou: "buggy" is not "unstable"
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06:27<Calinou>no u connect Dulcika
06:27<SynrG>unstable, as i said, has to do with rate of change and size of change
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06:28<nevyn>SynrG: experimental ;)
06:28<SynrG>it's not so much that i care about how you portray 12.10, as it is how you portray sid
06:28<SynrG>do not characterize sid as "stable" or "more stable than ...". that's tricky territory
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06:30<ectospasm>WeirdAAR: um, just lspci would have been OK
06:30<WeirdAAR>ectospasm, ok hehe. Well I wanted to make sure
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06:33<ectospasm>WeirdAAR: so you have a generic Intel audio controller
06:33<ectospasm>...using snd_hda_intel
06:33<ectospasm>like a lot of other audio controllers
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06:34<EmleyMoor>I've asked this oodles of times before and never got a good answer. One of my DVD drives closes automatically and immediately, every time I open it, often without opening fully, when it is under the control of Debian. It is fine if opened when the BIOS is in control. Why does this happen?
06:34<WeirdAAR>ectospasm, Ok. And what does that mean then =
06:35<ectospasm>WeirdAAR: have you looked into the pavucontrol pulse audio controller? You may be able to select the headphones output device there
06:36<ectospasm>WeirdAAR: you may need to install that, I don't think it comes installed by default.
06:36<WeirdAAR>I'll try and install it, and see.
06:37<WeirdAAR>I get an error when trying to open "connection failed: Connection refused"
06:37<WeirdAAR>with and without sudo
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06:44<WeirdAAR>ectospasm, I don't think I have pulseaudio installed, but that should't isn't require to make headphones work is it =
06:45<EmleyMoor>My other DVD drive does not close automatically like my SATA writer does. It in fact makes my SATA writer close to useless - easier to use my USB one
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06:46<Katten>Hi! I have followed this guide # p223928 to test Debian Sid in a Virtual box. I got to the point where you should reboot and I have done it but now when I start it, I hit: What can I have done and how can I solve it?
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06:53<ftc>just did a fresh install of debian, and there's this mysterious entry at the end of /etc/aliases: root: t ... anybody got any idea what that's for? there's no user called t
06:55<SynrG>normally the user created at install time is put there
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06:56<ftc>hmm ok.. it's a linode vps, might be something to do with them then
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07:10<SynrG>ftc: the initial username wouldn't happen to start with 't' and be followed by some 'strange' character?
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07:12<ftc>not sure, it's a default image created by linode, i didn't actually run the installer
07:12<ftc>will let them know
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07:18<SynrG>ftc: ah, then characterizing it as a "fresh install of debian" wasn't quite accurate :)
07:18<ftc>heh, yeah good point
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07:26<sifu__>i've done a clean squeeze install on 40G and set 9GB for /
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07:26<sifu__>but after installing a few packages, i se the partion is full
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07:27<sifu__>i installed a lot of packages on 3Gb before
07:28<sifu__>but this time i can't figure why the partition gets full with fewer packages
07:29<sifu__>i'm movong my home partition to another pc, so that 'ill reinstall again, this time i'm going to install sid
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07:30<sifu__>i've got a squeeze net install, after the installation i'll upgrade to sid
07:30<sifu__>any hinst please
07:30<ftc>install ncdu to find out whats using the space
07:31<ftc>it's rad
07:31<EmleyMoor>Apart from his Norton 360, David's laptop is ready
07:32<EmleyMoor>Erk... wrong channel
07:32<ftc>also, just my opinion, but i've seen more real world out-of-space problems caused by using separate partitions. even though the whole idea is to prevent that.
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07:33<pato83>Hi, i am trying to replace multiple white spaces with just single one. I can do that several times, but I want it purely in bash. Something like var='b a s h'; echo ${var//[[:blank:]][[:blank:]]/ } But the string is processed just once, so it does the job, but the number of white spaces is stripped down to half. This is not a solution, but there must be some. Thank you very much.
07:34<pato83>*several ways I meant
07:35<ichdasich>pato83: sed s/'\s\s*'/\ /g ?
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07:37<pato83>ichdasich: thanks, but as i said, i can use sed, awk, tr and loads of other more or less suited tools, but i want to find out how to do that purely in bash.
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07:38<ichdasich>pato83: why?
07:39<SynrG>channel #bash instead, perhaps?
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07:40<ichdasich>pato83: tfiebig@sexy ~ % var='b a s h'; for i in `echo $var`; do echo -n "$i "; done; echo "";
07:40<ichdasich>b a s h
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07:42<pato83>ichdasich: well, sometimes, when i have nothing else to do, i try to replace parts of my scripts or try to avoid and simulate, at least in a very basic way, with bash in my scripts. I know it is much slower sometimes, but that is not the point for me.
07:43<ichdasich>pato83: so, basically you are bored, hm?
07:43<pato83>ichdasich: well, basically i am relaxing. :)
07:43<SynrG>ichdasich: what on earth does running echo in a subshell accomplish? and this is OT ... mabye #debian-offtopic? :)
07:44<pato83>thanks for the solution. Other solution would be also: var='b a s h'; echo $var I strips whitespaces to single one as well.
07:44<pato83>ichdasich: ^
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07:49<pato83>SynrG: i didnt even notice. But that is fine, i just wanted to see any ideas, the point of his solution is to take every printable character or other than $IFS and add to each other space.
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07:51<pato83>SynrG: I was looking for some solution using bash builtin string manipulation options.
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07:59<sifu__>I want to upgrade to sid
07:59<sifu__>please help
07:59<sifu__>i've done a base install
07:59<sifu__>in squeeze
08:00<XReaper>why are you wanting to run sid?
08:00<sifu__>to be on the edge :)
08:00<XReaper>Oh ok :)
08:01<XReaper>channel topic in #debian-next should suffice
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08:01<XReaper>mainly changing the sources.list from squeeze to sid and running a dist-upgrade in apt
08:01<sifu__>my last squeeze install filled my 9GB root partition with just openoffice, buyild-essential, and aptoncd, i used to have more software on that size
08:02<sifu__>xreaper: thnx for the tip
08:02<XReaper>should be on the website :)
08:02<sifu__>do i upgrade dpkg and apt-get before upgrade?
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08:03<sifu__>how much do u recommend for a root partition with a seperate home partition?
08:04<XReaper>I generally go for 40GB
08:04<sifu__>i have a 40GB
08:04<XReaper>right now on my laptop i have a 60GB ssd just for my /
08:04<sifu__>i want a seperate home partition
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08:04<XReaper>only a 40GB drive??
08:05<sifu__>how much should i reserve for /
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08:05<sifu__>I'll be making dvd videos
08:05*ftc is anti-partitions
08:05<ftc>causes more problems than it solves in my experience
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08:05<sifu__>so i dont want my root partition filled so soon
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08:07<ftc>i've seen a couple of servers that fucked up because one of the partitions filled up because they weren't big enough due to everything being split, but never had the issue on a system with just a single partition
08:07<ftc>but thats just my experience, i'm sure others have seen the opposite
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08:08<ftc>if its on just 1 partition, you've got more space everywhere, so it takes longer to fill
08:08<sifu__>a seperate home partition is always a good idea just in case
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08:09<sifu__>i used 10GB of the 40GB fir root partition
08:10<sifu__>but this time it got filled and X wont start
08:10<pato83>sifu__: use btrfs and subvolumes and you wont waste a bit . :)
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08:10<ftc>the default fs options usually don't allow a regular user to fill the last 5% of the drive. not sure if that's changed since i last noticed though.
08:11<pato83>sifu__: use btrfs and subvolumes and you wont waste a bit . :)
08:11<sifu__>pato83: nver heard of these
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08:13<kal>Is there nifty way in debian to have the system find stuff under opt/local like is already done for /usr/local? I want to install packages there and have them in visible... like the man pages and include/ lib/ bin/ . etc.
08:13<pato83>ftc: basically you just create one partition over whole disk and in a way we all understands partitions from the past, in case of btrfs you use subvolumes. Very simple and you can keep snapshots of each subvolume to roll back if anything goes wrong.
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08:13<ftc>kal: add it to the PATH variable in /etc/profile
08:14<ftc>thats just for executables, not sure about man etc
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08:16<pato83>sifu__: I have btrfs over whole disk and because it is just 128 GB of size, I want to be able to use every possible bit if necessary.
08:18<pato83>sifu__: and also snapshots are incremental a created in seconds.
08:18<ftc>sounds like that'd be pretty rad for backup servers
08:18<sifu__>is it implemented in debian?
08:18<pato83>sifu__: but, it is purely up to you, what you choose, of course. ;)
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08:19<pato83>sifu__: if you run wheezy, you are in.
08:19<ftc>kind of like built-in rsnapshot/rdiffbackup
08:19<pato83>ftc: exactly, it is just awesome. :)
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08:20<sifu__>pato83:thx for the tips
08:20<pato83>ftc: well, i might be bit over the moon, but i cant help myself. :D
08:20<ftc>i assume you can you restore old versions to a new copy without winding back the original file?
08:21<sifu__>pato83: sounds scary though, i cant venture in unfamiliar lands :)
08:21<sifu__>I have just one 40GB and i want to make the most of it
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08:22<ftc>1 partition then! har
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08:22<sifu__>i guess i shall go 50-50 one half for each: / and /home
08:23<sifu__>specifically 19GB =/
08:23<sifu__>1GB swap
08:24<sifu__>what do u think?
08:24<pato83>sifu__: dont be scare and just try it.
08:24<pato83>sifu__: *scared
08:24<pato83>sifu__: :)
08:24<sifu__>pato83: it sounds dangerous :)
08:25<pato83>sifu__: i wont bite you. :D
08:25<sifu__>i guess i'll stick to ext3
08:25<sifu__>in ext3 i trust :)
08:27<sifu__>ftc:plz assure me!! what if the drive went wrong? or i needed a clean reinstall
08:27<pato83>sifu__: it is up to you as i said. But you will waste your time, there no possibility, or it is much harder, to resize partitions and i am not talking about online resizing yet and so on. Stick with anything you want and go for it.
08:28<sifu__>pato83: thank u! u relieve me, i'm still at loss :D
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08:29<ftc>just rsync the data to another box and back
08:29<ftc>its a massive waste of space splitting into partitions i reckon
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08:30<ftc>and you're much more likely to fill a 50% partition than a 100% one
08:30<ftc>therefore more likely to have problems
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08:31<ftc>you're limiting the useful of the box everyday in order to save a bit of time whenever you eventually do a reinstalled
08:31<ftc>an rsync of 20GB wouldn't take long anyway
08:31<SynrG>i agree. on such a small drive, partitioning is a waste
08:32<SynrG>on my netbook with 60G ssd and 2G of ram i have it all in one partition and no swap. i've never run into problems.
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08:36<pato83>ftc: take a look here: So all I have to do ist just adjust subvol option for each mount point.
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08:41<ftc>ah cool, so you actually just access the old data via an extra mounted virtual volume rather than extracting it with commands?
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08:42<sifu__>ftc: i've got a 40GB drive
08:42<pato83>ftc: it is not commpressed, you can use compression on btrfs, but that is different story.
08:43<sifu__>ftc: and 512MB ram
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08:45<sifu__>ftc: what if i use no swap?
08:45<sifu__>ftc: is it ok for me?
08:46<ftc>not sure depends what the server is used for, and even then i wouldn't know. but if you want to try without one first and/or you think you might wanna change the swap size down the track, use a swap file instead of partition:
08:47<pato83>ftc: You can mount any snapshot anywhere and anytime. If anything goes wrong, i can remove subvolume/snapshot and so on.
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08:48<pato83>ftc: if you use ls on subvolumes, they look like directories and you can access them the same way.
08:48<ftc>pato83: ah that's really cool
08:49<pato83>ftc: I used to use lvm due to the possibility of resizing simply and quickly. this one is even more simple and gives you free hands to do a lot.
08:49<ftc>i'm obsessive about my backups systems and versioning and stuff, so that would be awesome... can even just backup windows boxes by getting them to rsync their data into the backup server.
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08:54<ftc>although i'd still want something at the windows end that could encrypt the data before sending it like crashplan
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08:56<fred_1>I am using Ubuntu 12.10 and cant install programs I downloaded
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09:01<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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09:01<pato83>ftc: well, as far as i know, what you want to backup must be on the same fs to be able to create snapshots. So, for remote backups is rsync and other tools still the best you can get.
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09:03<pato83>ftc: btrfs supports raid, so locally you can have very good and cheap, in terms of resources, backup solution.
09:03<ftc>yeah i'm saying that the windows box would just regularly rsync its data into a folder on the btrfs server, and btrfs would remember the old data
09:03<pato83>ftc: you are right. :)
09:03<pato83>ftc: sorry.
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09:04<ftc>i really like crashplan, but the closed archive format of it makes it a bit of a worry, something OSS that did the same would be rad
09:05<pato83>ftc: btrfs itself doesnt create any snapshots, you have to do that. simple script, hook it to aptitude or use cron or so on, and you are fine.
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09:05<ftc>ah ok
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09:08<fix>btrfs has poor performance on raid compared to other file systems
09:08<ftc>i also like the fact it has built in checksums. great to check that nothing has been corrupted
09:08<pato83>ftc: creating snapshot: btrfs subvolume snapshot path/to/subvolume /where/to/store/it . it is as simple. :) It is always matter of moments.
09:08<fix>I would recomment EXT4
09:08<fix>unless u have some wierd need for btrfs
09:08<pato83>fix: i have not tried raid on it yet, so i can not say anything about it.
09:08<pato83>fix: well, i have i guess.
09:08<pato83>fix: :)
09:08<fix>I just did a bunch of tests with diff FS on raid two days ago
09:09<fix>trust me, go with EXT4
09:09<pato83>fix: to late, i am quite happy with btrfs.
09:09<fix>Disk IO tests, and EXT4 was hands down the winner
09:09<fix>good luck with that
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09:11<ftc>i assume ext4 will be the next default FS in debian?
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09:11<pato83>fix: if i could i would try it. You've had and you were not happy, but there is still developing, so i would say what was true yesterday doesnt have to be tomorrow. I hope.
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09:12<nevyn>fix: depends on requirements
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09:13<pato83>ftc: in wheezy ext4 is default.
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09:13<nevyn>so I don't care about performance of root filesystems the increased features of btrfs are well worth the slightly lower throughput
09:13<ftc>ah k
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09:14<nevyn>ftc: I do care about throughput of my nfs and media filesystems so I use XFS for those
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09:18<pato83>fix: funny thing is that when i run tests on my ssd with dd if=/dev/zero of=$HOME/tempfile , I gets huge numbers although i have just sata2 interface available. See this: dd if=/dev/zero of=$HOME/tempfile bs=1M count=1024 conv=fdatasync,notrunc
09:18<pato83>fix: the results are about the same: 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 1.09959 s, 976 MB/s
09:18<nevyn>dd isn't a real benchmark
09:18<pato83>fix: I know, there is a caveat
09:18<nevyn>use bonnie++ or similar
09:19<pato83>fix: i know it is impossible to exceed sata2 specifications, but it is funny at least. :)
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09:23<pato83>nevyn: i mentioned that because it happens since i move to btrfs. I know it is impossible for data to be physically written to disk at such speed.
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09:27<fix>hdparm is simplier to use
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09:28<fix>hdparm -tT /dev/md0
09:29<fix>yah youll get really high reads with btrfs when doing sequential reads
09:29<fix>thats the only thing it does better
09:30<fix>but test your write speeds or random read, youll see where it hurts
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09:37<pato83>fix: I dont have raid, i was just talking about possibilities earlier on. I am saying it just because you used /dev/md0 . I am going to test it and see. But i am afraid i wont change my mind, i love snapshots and once i will mess up something i will love them even more.
09:37<fix>Well, dont take my word for anything, you should do your own tests to compare them and come to your own conclusion
09:38<pato83>fix: hdpart -tT is about reading, dd if=/dev/zero of=$HOME/tempfile is about writing. :)
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09:39<pato83>fix: of course, i will make my own conclusion and do appreciate you have mentioned your experience.
09:39<pato83>fix: i wont die stupid that way. :) not as much :D
09:42<jagerman>pato83: Your test is wrong; you need to run the dd followed by a sync and time the whole thing.
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09:43<pato83>jagerman: i am going to paste it on pastebin, give me second, it is about the same still.
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09:48<dvs>???? why not hdparm?
09:50<pato83>jagerman: it is less, but it is still to much for sata2
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09:51<pato83>fix: yes, of course, hdparm, i was wondering what you talking about. :)
09:51<pato83>fix: it was just typo.
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10:16<evgen>or launch fullscreen leafpad
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10:50*sekt0r I downloaded the firefox tarball but when i'm running it i got "Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyInvalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyError: cannot open display: :0.0"
10:52<MrFrood>why? what is wrong with Iceweasel?
10:52<fix>well iceweasel 3.5x from the "stable repos is shit" it doesnt render html properly
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10:53<fix>get the latest iceweasl from backports
10:53<fix>apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel
10:53<MrFrood>fix: not backports
10:53<fix>yeah, from backports
10:53<fix>works great
10:53<MrFrood>fix: no
10:53<fix>no to you
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10:54<fix>iceweasel 3.5x from "stable" sucks and doesnt render html properly
10:54*sekt0r fix: ok, i'll try
10:54<fix>its too old
10:54<dxtr>Can I ask for armhf support here?
10:54<MrFrood>fix: use
10:54<MrFrood>not backports for Iceweasel
10:54<fix>bah thats a headache and makes the normal user want to have a siezure
10:55<fix>whoever maintains needs a lesson in how to make a howto
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10:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
10:55<MrFrood>dpkg: ^^^
10:55<dpkg>i haven't a clue, MrFrood
10:55<MrFrood>dxtr: ^^^
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10:56<sacripant>i installed a debian testing, i noticed that kernel it's quite old
10:56<fix>once again backports
10:56<sacripant>i got a pc with ivy bridge
10:56<themill>fix: umm no.
10:57<fix>um yeah
10:57<sacripant>should i use a more updatedf kernel?
10:57<fix>works for me
10:57<SynrG>sacripant: what, in particular, are you missing from a newer version that you need?
10:57<themill>sacripant: many driver improvements are backported into the wheezy kernel. You'd do better to test it before giving up on it
10:57<themill>fix: not for testing it doesn't.
10:57<fix>!backports kernel
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10:57<fix>oh your right
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10:57<dxtr>Well, okay. I just installed Debian wheezy armhf on my Cubox with nfsroot on my (FreeBSD) nfs server. It seems to work okay, up to after it has started cron. Then it just... stops with no messages.
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10:57<dxtr>It responds to ping and stuff, though
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10:58<fix>well did u ssh in and check your syslog?
10:59<SynrG>i assume not since "stops with no messages" pretty much says it all.
10:59<sacripant>all seems to work fine, only gives me a message at boot about a driver (during installation asked me a realtek driver dunno if ethernet or souncard, because they work even without it)
10:59<SynrG>dxtr: clocks in sync between the two systems?
11:00<dxtr>fix: No, I did not. I
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11:00<dxtr>I'm actually working on that part
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11:03<dxtr>fix: That actually worked
11:03<dxtr>That is awesome
11:04<SynrG>what worked?
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11:08<dxtr>Installing sshd and logging in over that
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11:10<fix>Hey SynrG knows his stuff, he gives good advice, much better than mine, Im kinda still noobish
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11:16<dxtr>SynrG: Yes, the clocks are in sync
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11:17<dxtr>I have a nother problem now: When I mount /home (on another nfs) all directories get the UID and GID 4294967294
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11:19<dxtr>No matter if I run nfs4 or 3
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11:24<SynrG>dxtr: just curious about what actually solved the problem for you, that's all.
11:25<SynrG>the previous one
11:25<SynrG>hmm. the uid & gid thing sounds like it might be an endianness issue ... dunno ...
11:26<dxtr>SynrG: Well, technically, it wasn't a problem. I just didn't get a prompt so I could do stuff with the system. Installing an ssh server solved that
11:26<SynrG>ah, i see.
11:27<dxtr>A reboot did some funny things for my nfs problems. Now everything is mapped to nobody:nogroup
11:28<SynrG>tbh, i don't have any experience with mapping uid & gid on nfs, though i understand there are options to do that. i just ensure the uids and gids for all systems on the local net agree between hosts.
11:28<zimme>is there a de facto path for config files used by init scripts?
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11:29<SynrG>well, not per se. but a lot take some details from /etc/default/name-of-init-script
11:29<dxtr>SynrG: Well, *EVERYTHING* is mapped to nobody:nogroup
11:29<dxtr>The uids and gids match between the systems, they are just mapped weird
11:29<SynrG>as i said, not really familiar with the uid/gid mapping stuff. sounds like that's broken in your case.
11:30<SynrG>so, i would be little help
11:30<zimme>SynrG: thnxz, that's what i tought, just wanted confirmation
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11:43<john__>Does laserdude11 hang out here?
11:43<fix>did someone say Ddos?
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12:03<jla>I've swtiched from the interface aliases (eth0,eth0:1,eth0:2,etc) to ip addr add/del. It makes neworking stop/start a little faster but I still have the same problem. My system is not responding to ping (or other network actions) on most of the extra IP addresses. tshark shows the packets being brought "right to the front door" so I think most of routing and arp is right, but no reply. Any...
12:03<jla>...ideas? Suggestions for channel to ask in?
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12:05<XReaper>jla: are your routes set up properly?
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12:08<fix>I think your route isnt setup properly in your shorewall
12:08<jla>as near as I can tell. except for a local internal routing entry they are the defaults as created by the standard interface definition with a gateway entry. matches similar systems that are working - but they only have one ip
12:09<fix>need to setup a route to your lan from the router
12:09<jla>shorewall is clear at the moment
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12:09<fix>also before messing with stuff, even tho this isnt a shorewall support chat, I would try using a dummy switch
12:09<fix>then see how the hosts can communicate
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12:11<jla>I could disable shorewall from init and reboot if that would help take it out of the picture. I wish there was a simple one-liner for disabling/re-enabling a service that didn't take reading a bunch of docs on default runlevels :)
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12:12<SynrG>huh? like /etc/init.d/thing stop ?
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12:12<jla>that sounds simple but shorewall goes to some safe state, not to clear
12:12<jla>shorewall clear is more like it didn't exist
12:12<SynrG>then manually frig with it
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12:13<jla>up to yesterday morning the system was running fine, but it was on bare metal in it's own machine. the hardware died yesterday so now it's in a kvm on another host, but the same config doesn't work.
12:13<SynrG>where did you add these other ip#s, by the way?
12:13<jla>all other kvm instances are great, but they don't have multiple ip addresses
12:13<jla>in /etc/network/interfaces
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12:14<ribe>if I may be allowed a slightly off topic question on this fine forum....what is your favorite IRC Chat program in Debian? why?
12:14<SynrG>jla: and the theory we're working with is that shorewall doesn't know about them and block theM?
12:15<jla>that's fix's theory. i'm not so set on it due to this:
12:15<SynrG>why not go forward rather than backwards and just see if you can get shorewall to acknowledge their existence, then?
12:16<jla>so the machine with kvm also had a linux-vhost system with multiple ip addresses and no shorewall and it was working fine, but I thought what if linux-vserver and kvm are conflicting
12:16<babilen>ribe: irssi, weechat, quassel
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12:16<jla>so i've rebuilt it into a kvm instance and stopped the linux-vserver. guess what. same deal. new kvm same config no shorewall, extra ips do not respond
12:17<SynrG>would probably be good to see some iptables -vL output
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12:19<ribe>babilen, Thank you!
12:20<jla>all clear on the two kvm'd systems, I can paste-bin it if you like. The kvm host has fail2ban running, that's it, and it was runnign before when the second system was working under linux-vserver
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12:21<jla>ribe: irssi is nice for console, I've defaulted to ChatZilla because I have firefox more often than I have a Debian console.
12:21<fix>lynx ftw
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12:22<ribe>THANKS jla trying out chatzilla, not having a lot of success..... currently using xchat
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12:25<jla>ribe: chatzilla would be more user-friendly if it either came pre-loaded with debian irc, or had irc:// links from the support page you could click. I don't do anything fancy with it, just chat. frustrating that connect to server isn't prominent on the ui
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12:26<MrFrood>jla: weechat is moderatly user freindly
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12:31<ribe>thanks guys!
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12:36<jla>SynrG, fix:
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12:42<jagerman>pato83: Interesting; could something along the way (filesystem? interface?) be using compression? Try pulling your data from /dev/urandom instead of /dev/zero, and see how that changes things.
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12:42<jla>SynrG, fix: here are the ip addresses and tshark output. see how the first two addresses work and the third doesnt:
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12:51<fix>Man Ive no idea, Id say how everythings physically connected might have something to do with it, also are you using vlans on your host?
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12:54<jla>no vlans. small simple subnet before it hits the gateway. I've watched icmp on the kvm host too and I'm confident that it's routing packets to the right kvm instances. host sees all icmp, each instance sees icmp for the addresses it adds, but they don't respond to all of them.
12:54<jla>the linux-vserver convert only responds to the primary address. the physical convert response to 65, 77, and 81 but none of the rest.
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12:55<jla>when I shutdown kvm instance, their main ip's go to address unreachable pretty quick and then when arp cache expires (also not long) the pings stop showing up on the kvm host
12:56<jla>last night only two ip's worked on the 65 instance, this morning three work. sounds like arp but I can't prove that it is.
12:57<jla>i've rebooted kvm instances a lot, kvm host a few times. maybe I need to go shut down the whole network for a few minutes
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12:57<SynrG>out of my depth. sorry
12:57<jla>np. doesn't it look like those packets are being delivered right to the front door though? tshark shows them in the right places at the right times, just no response.
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12:59<jla>switches and gateway aren't dual-homed to remote shutdown/reboot. afk/bbl
13:00<ompaul>jla: is gecko the vm host?
13:00<ompaul>can you do all that from not the host
13:00<ompaul>ping and look from outside
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13:01<ompaul>route outside on the same network
13:01<ompaul>route on the box
13:01<ompaul>host/ and client
13:02<ompaul>also your start up line ... does it do exactly the same or different things (obviously ip and image but other than that)
13:02<zimme>I'm writing a lsb script for rtorrent with multi user/session support and I'm wondering about the runlevels. rtorrent is using the network so runlevel 2 seems unnecessary or am I wrong?
13:02<jla>i can ping the host. it has three clients. first has one ip. works fine. next two new ones have multiple ip's. their first ip works fine. second client (gecko) has 3 of 7 ips working. third has 1 of 8 working
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13:03<ompaul>your /etc/networks are starting the ips or something else?
13:03<ompaul>i.e. interfaces file
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13:05<jla>i hadn't looked at /etc/networks. host is package-default (default, loopback, link-local), third vm client is also default. second client, gecko, names the internal 192.168 networks
13:06<jla>the first line in all the networks files is "default"
13:06<ompaul>and how are you applying the extra ip addresses?
13:07<ompaul>ifconfig eth0:1 or something
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13:10<jla>in /etc/network/interfaces. i had been since forever using the style: "iface eth0 inet static ... iface eth0:1 inet static". Just this morning I tried switching to putting a bunch of "up ip addr add <ipaddr>/bits dev $IFACE" lines in the single iface eth0.
13:11<brenden>I'm trying to setup ipv6-in-ipv4 and when I run `ifconfig sit0 inet6 unnel ::` I get this in return: SIOCSIFDSTADDR: No buffer space available
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13:11<jla>same results either way, except that with the up/down commands networking starts faster and leaves nothing behind when torn down (I use "down ip addr flush dev $IFACE" from another example instead of down per address)
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13:13<jla>brenden: try not using ifconfig:
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13:14<brenden>jla: ill try to do that then. :)
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13:17<jla>brenden: np, the posts I find with that error are old though, makes me think the bug in ifconfig should be fixed and maye there is some other syntax issue.
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13:18<jla>brenden: I haven't played with it lately but it seems like I had success with the docs here:
13:18<brenden>hm, interesting.
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13:19<brenden>jla: i was going by the intructions HE was giving me (which it did work for a short time) but suddenly stopped.
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13:19<brenden>ill take a look at that then
13:19<jla>sorry, no other ideas. maybe someone else will chime in with a thought. good luck
13:19<jla>I'm going to go reset my trouble network
13:20<brenden>but running iptunenl del sit1 fixed the one error tho. so thats good :)
13:20<brenden>thanks. and good luck with that. heh :)
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13:30<birch>Would this method for installing work fine (with the presumed exception of my Model being listed with the driver info all nice and pretty) for installing on a non-EeePC netbook? Thanks.
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13:53<dxtr>SynrG: I fixed it
13:53<dxtr>I had forgot about /etc/idmapd.conf
13:57<birch>I don't suppose there are any tools available in debian rescue mode for recovering a windows pass, are there?
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14:41<daniel_>i need to make a script to generate a list of numbers. i want the list to start at 5000 and then +1/-1 alternating until 9999 and 0000 respectively. is this possible? each new line would be like 5000,5001,4999,5002,4998, etc
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14:42<rudi_s>daniel_: Of course .. just do it. Which language?
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14:47<rudi_s>daniel_: Something like this in shell: x=5000; for y in `seq 1 5000`; do echo $(( x + y )); echo $((x - y)); done
14:48<rudi_s>If you want always four digits, then use printf "%04d\n" $(( ... )) instead of echo.
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14:53<daniel_>wow thank you, i knew it was probably extremely simple, but i just couldn't find out beating up google the last few hours.
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14:53<rudi_s>daniel_: np, it will count to 10000 though. If you don't like that adapt the script and print 0 manually as last command (after the loop).
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14:55<rudi_s>daniel_: Good.
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15:26<birch>Any suggestions as to why booting a netbook from a usb to install debian would result in the screen slowly turning bright white and then ceasing to function?
15:28<devil_>birch: what gfx-card?
15:29<birch>devil_, Intel HD Graphics, it's the first generation of a series of integrated graphics by intel so that's the actual name
15:29<devil_>hm, no idea then :(
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15:33<birch>devil_, I'm also having problems getting the netinst to work on it because the netinst can't find a driver for the ethernet. This makes me very sad :(
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15:36<devil_>birch: you might need a backport or newer image (maybe from kmuto)
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15:38<birch>devil_, Kmuto would be great but I can't get the machine to boot to anything there I can run lspci
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15:38<ladoga>birch: non-free firmware?
15:38<familia>hay alguien que able español
15:38<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:39<birch>ladoga, how do i do that from the netinst?
15:39<birch>ladoga, keep in mind, i'm lucky if i can get it to boot the netinst at all, graphical isn't even working, and it sometimes stops even when in text mode.
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15:41<birch>ladoga, thanks i'll check that out
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16:10<birch>devil_, ladoga, Even with the non-free image I get the DHCP issue. Any ideas?
16:12<devil_>birch: DHCP issue?
16:13<abrotman>devil has a tail ...
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16:13<devil>had :)
16:14<devil>birch: you have to make sure, you have the right firmware for your eth0
16:14<devil>non-free image says nothing at all per se
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16:17<birch>devil, Ha, finally found the ethernet controler: Broadcom NetLink BCM57785 rev10
16:18<devil>birch: do you have a id for it? (something like xxx:yyyy)?
16:18<devil>lspci -nn should show it
16:18<birch>PCI ID 14e416b5 ?
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16:19<birch>devil, 14e4:16b5
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16:19<devil>you need tg3
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16:22<birch>devil Using your last link I was able to find my machine :)
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16:23<birch>devil, How do I select that driver from the install?
16:23<devil>select? i do not understand
16:24<devil>you need to make sure, it is in /lib/firmware, then modprobe it
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16:24<birch>devil, I had previously tried a netinst with an older image and it said that the ethernet could not be found and to select the driver from a list, but I don't see that option in this current netinst image.
16:25<devil>i have no idea of netinst, i never installed debian
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17:16<birch_>I'm trying to a standard split of / and /home with them both as etx4. If I set / first as primary, the remainder of the disk space is marked unusable. If I set the /home first as logical, then I can't set / as Primary and then I can't make it bootable. Any ideas?
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17:18<birch_>abrotman, any ideas? ^^
17:18<abrotman>how'd you know i was here?
17:19<birch_>I felt your presence in the force.
17:19<abrotman>are you only having two partitions total?
17:19<birch_>there's 3 partitions (primary) from the windows install
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17:20<abrotman>AFAIK, you can only have four primary partitions total
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17:20<birch_>that's fine, i only need 4 primary. what i need is 4 primary and 1 logical
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17:21<birch_>but if i set a 4th primary then i can't make any other partitions, and if i set 1 as logical then i can't make any more primary
17:21<abrotman>it's been awhile,b ut it hink you have to set that 4th primary to contain all the logical partitions
17:22<birch_>I really only need 1 of the windows primary I guess. They had 2 set up as some weird back up thing but it wasn't done for me and i don't trust their bloatware so i uninstalled all their crap. i guess i could just nuke a windows primary and hope windows doesn't mind
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17:23<birch_>do you think just taking away a primary or two will help?
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17:24<abrotman>it may .. you'd have to show us the 'fdisk -l' to show us what is going on
17:26<birch_>abrotman, ha, so deleting the unneeded windows partitions let's me do the debian setup the way i want. BUT....that means there's 20gb of unused hard drive space located before the main windows partition. is there anyway to shift that to be after? Or does the location not really matter? I guess I don't really need that extra 20gb but it would be nice. Maybe I can just grow the windows partition to take the 20gb and then resize it down, then r
17:26<birch_>esize the linux to be's so crazy, it might just work :)
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17:26<abrotman>birch_: are you trying to fully erase windows?
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17:27<abrotman>birch_: i think i used gparted to move the windows partition . beware WU will get angry if that partition goes away
17:27<birch_>abrotman, no. well, there's nothing on there..and tbh i forgot the password and both ophrack and backtrack don't support my graphics so i've had some trouble cracking in, lol.
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17:28<birch_>it would be nice to keep windows but i'm not going to lose sleep over nuking it lol
17:28<birch_>as an aside, before i commit these changes, ext3 or ext4? i've been using ext4 for a long time and had no trouble, but debian still defaults to ext3. thoughts?
17:29<abrotman>birch_: could also use LVM, it would merge the empty space
17:29<birch_>never used lvm before
17:29<birch_>what conference?
17:29<abrotman>today is a good day to learn!
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19:28<seckinx>merhaba :)
19:28<pato83>hi, does anybody have any clue what repositories I should use to obtain mplayer with vaapi support ? thanks.
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19:29<seckinx>herkesler mi yabancı burada :)
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19:30<jvelasquez_>is there another channel for security related issues?
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19:31<raylu>so i have a linux machine plugged into my TV and i play movies on it. it runs mplayer inside X11 (and nothing else). unfortunately, after 20 mins or so, the screen goes blank unless you hit a key on the keyboard
19:32<MrFrood>pato83: I've been trying for two weeks to try and get mplayer and vdpau to play nice together with no luck, so if you work it out pop back and tell us please
19:32<raylu>i believe that this is normally taken care of by the desktop environment but i'd like to know how to solve this problem without installing a DE
19:32<MrFrood>raylu: xset -dpms; xset s off
19:33<MrFrood>stick it in your X start up files so it is executed when X starts
19:34<pato83>MrFrood: I can actually choose whether i want to use intel hd or nvidia. i shall see which one prove more.
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19:34<raylu>MrFrood: yeah, i've tried that
19:34<raylu>it's possible i just did it wrong
19:35<raylu>but it should work if i just export DISPLAY and set them from another term, right?
19:35<MrFrood>raylu: the command I gave you should work, I have it in my .xinitrc
19:35<pato83>MrFrood: I used to be fine with mplayer, closed nvidia drivers couple years and it was fine. But playing movies was the only one good thing about it.
19:36<MrFrood>pato83: I use it a lot for streaming media and as my default DVD player
19:36<raylu>MrFrood: does the xinitrc need to be executable?
19:36<raylu>also, your nick is making me hungry
19:36<MrFrood>raylu: do you use a login manager?
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19:37<MrFrood>ok then .xinitrc any yes executable
19:37<pato83>MrFrood: So I just need to get mplayer with vaapi support compiled in. I can not efford to download source code, it would not be downloaded in week and i am honest. :(
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19:37<jvelasquez_>what exactly is debian-archive-keyring used for? it contains old keys that expired in 2005 right? what is the purpose of this package?
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19:38<themill>dpkg: tell jvelasquez_ about secure apt
19:38<pato83>MrFrood: I just tried debian multimedia, but the support for vaapi is missing too.
19:38<MrFrood>pato83: I tried compiling with no luck in getting them to ply nice
19:38<MrFrood>pato83: I know
19:39<jvelasquez_>themill, the package description is "The Debian project digitally signs its Release files. This package contains the archive keys used for that." What does archive keys mean? Does it mean this is an archive of keys, or the keys for file archives?
19:39<MrFrood>I'm begining to think that the support is a myth
19:39<themill>jvelasquez_: what dpkg said.
19:39<pato83>MrFrood: thanks, i was expecting something more positive, but ... :) I shall try it anyway when I get a chance.
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19:40<MrFrood>pato83: one of the regulurs here claims to have it working on an LFS install
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19:42<pato83>MrFrood: LFS - linux from scratch ?
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19:44<pato83>MrFrood: Well, if i start today, i could have source code obtained just about the boxing day. :D I am happy with my debian.
19:44<Lucky1>hello. i'm lookin for an irc channel where i can get help with debian. an apt problem to be more exact. am i in the right place at all?
19:44<pato83>Lucky1: yes, you are.
19:45<MrFrood>pato83: damn that's slow, took me about a minute to download the source
19:45<Lucky1>W: Failed to fetch Unable to find expected entry 'universe/source/Sources' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
19:45<Lucky1>it seems to think im usin ubuntu since afaik debian doesn't hav universe.
19:46<MrFrood>have you tried another repro?
19:46<Lucky1>i've tried both this one an funet.
19:46<Lucky1>both giv same error.
19:46<Lucky1>and i can confirm that the entry in question does not exist in that file.
19:46<pato83>MrFrood: i have no other option at the moment than to use british telecom hotspots in one of menzies hotels in UK. It sucks so much ...
19:46<Lucky1>just like it shouldn't.
19:46<MrFrood>have you checked your soures.list file?
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19:47<Lucky1>even if i only hav that one repo in my sources.list it still gives same error.
19:47<MrFrood>pato83: and I thought Virgin cable sucked :|
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19:47<themill>!show sources.list Lucky1
19:47<dpkg>Lucky1: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
19:48<MrFrood>can you pastebin your sources.list?
19:48<themill>Lucky1: the output of "apt-cache policy dpkg apt; apt-cache policy" would also be interesting t osee
19:48<pato83>MrFrood: dont even mention them. :D
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19:49<pato83>MrFrood: i gotta go sleep. Bey and thanks.
19:49<MrFrood>pato83: worst dns servers of any UK isp imho but Ifear we are veering into offtopic terrotry
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19:49<jvelasquez_>themill, ok. I read through some of those links. but what is this particular file for? /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-removed-keys.gpg
19:50<Lucky1> < apt-cache policy thingie.
19:50<themill>jvelasquez_: the name seems pretty self-explanatory to me
19:51<themill>jvelasquez_: «gpg --list-keys --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-removed-keys.gpg» may be interesting for you
19:51<Lucky1> < /etc/apt/sources.list
19:53<MrFrood>Lucky1: 3rd & 4th lines of sources list
19:53<Lucky1>so what's wrong?
19:53<jvelasquez_>themill, does the name mean that these are for keys removed from the list of trusted keys? As in revoked keys?
19:54<themill>jvelasquez_: did that gpg command show you expiry dates and release names?
19:54<MrFrood>Lucky1: the word "universe"
19:54<Lucky1>oh. didn't notice that before actually.
19:54<Lucky1>so what should i put there instead?
19:55<MrFrood>just remove the offending word
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19:55<Lucky1>i do wonder why that was there in the first place.
19:55<jvelasquez_>themill, yes. that command listed expired keys.
19:56<themill>jvelasquez_: and you wouldn't want to load expired keys into apt's chain of trust by default, so they are removed from the keyring
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19:57<jvelasquez_>themill, what could be the significance of my debian-archive-removed-keys.gpg file having 6 modified bytes in two locations? the first location is at 0x4CB which corresponds to key "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005)"
19:58<themill>dying filesystem or hardware
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20:00<jvelasquez_>themill, that was the first thing I considered, but, the odds are really stacked against it. as every other file on the system checks, and another strange this is I see another file "debian-archive-removed-keys.gpg~". Do you have this extra file?
20:01<themill>no, that sounds like someone opened it in an editor to look at the contents, saved it and corrupted it
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20:03<jvelasquez_>themill, indeed, it's date stamped June 2nd, this year. maybe that's when this happened.
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20:03<Killerspec>morning all
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20:05<raylu>MrFrood: well, it appears to have happened again. i'm pretty convinced it's not an X thing
20:05<Killerspec>I am trying to install debian onto a hard drive I have spare and I keep getting a request to install firmware for my wifi adapter. Now I have located the firmware and hae downloaded it and unpacked it is there a program that I need to transfer it to the usb key I have the Debian package on ?
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20:06<MrFrood>raylu: have you checked your bios settings?
20:06<raylu>oh. i hadn't even thought of that
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20:07<MrFrood>raylu: the command that I gave you works here with wheezy
20:07<MrFrood>damn, he's gone
20:08<Killerspec>please note that I have a clean drive there aint any other programs on the drive and I am completely new to this all so any help would be appreciated
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20:10<Killerspec>any body ?
20:10<aetbsaoea>you need the actual ucode firmware
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20:11<raylu>MrFrood: nothing in the bios about this
20:11<aetbsaoea>just needs to be installed on the usb drive.
20:11<Killerspec>I have searched the Debian site and have found the firmware just not sure how to get it load on the usb key if you get what I mean
20:11<aetbsaoea>use any other comp to just copy it onto the drive.
20:11<Killerspec>do I need a program to install it on the key
20:12<raylu>i suspect setterm is what i want, but i'm not sure if i've used it correctly
20:12<Killerspec>does it need to be on a seperate key ?
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20:13<aetbsaoea>you have any functioning comp any OS, just copy the ucode to the usb and debian will search for it.
20:13<Killerspec>or can i load it on the same key that I have the squeezy on
20:13<aetbsaoea>im no expert, but i did it on my install and it worked.
20:13<aetbsaoea>needed iwlwifi proprietary drivers ucode
20:13<MrFrood>raylu: should be some power saving stuff, also try symlinking your .xinitrc to .xprofile
20:14<Killerspec>am I allowed to post a link here ( its from debians site )?
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20:15<aetbsaoea>msg dpkg pastebin
20:15<aetbsaoea>i thinks
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20:15<MrFrood>raylu: DPMS is what you need to read up on
20:15<aetbsaoea>that *.deb package isn't waht you need for the installer.
20:16<aetbsaoea>you need the file the installer says ends in *.ucode
20:16<Killerspec>that is the firmware site I downloaded the tar.gz file
20:16<raylu>xis:~$ sudo bash -c 'setterm -powersave >> /dev/tty7'
20:16<raylu>setterm: cannot (un)set powersave mode: Invalid argument
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20:16<Killerspec>ok thanks so I have the wroing files
20:16<Killerspec>back to the search
20:16<raylu>MrFrood: i'm pretty convinced it's not DPMS at this point
20:16<Killerspec>sorry thought I was loosing the plot
20:16<raylu>since i've run those xset commands manually before
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20:17<aetbsaoea>if you start the netinst will tell you the actual name of the missing firmware
20:17<aetbsaoea>thats the one you need
20:17<MrFrood>raylu: DPMS is what controls power saving (monitor wise) in X
20:17<aetbsaoea>what is your chipset, btw?
20:19<Killerspec>give me a sec need to pull out the hard drive and install the one I wanna install debian on
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20:20<MrFrood>raylu: can you pastebin the output of "xset q" please?
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20:21<raylu>i just tried mplayer with stop-xscreensaver=1 which apparently is not xscreensaver specific
20:21<raylu>let's see if this works
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20:23<MrFrood>raylu: those commands I gave you should make the timeout: 0
20:23<MrFrood>your is 600
20:23<MrFrood>0 = off
20:23<raylu>this is true. hm.
20:23<MrFrood>so it is a DPMS issue
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20:24<Killerspec1>aetbsaoea: missing firmware is rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw
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20:26<MrFrood>raylu: try "xset -dpms; xset s off" in a terminal and see if timeout changes
20:26<raylu>it does
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20:26<raylu>well, dpms was already off, right?
20:27<MrFrood>ok, creat a script that runs those commands and then starts mplayer
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20:28<MrFrood>should be all of three lines
20:28<raylu>i'll probably do something like that in a few minutes after this -stop-xscreensaver experiment finishes
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20:29<MrFrood>I've no idea why the commands are not picked up in your .xinitrc/.xprofile
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20:30<raylu>haven't tried .xprofile just yet
20:31<MrFrood>symlink it to the .xinitrc
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20:40<Killerspec1>I have all the .ucode files on the usb key but for some reason it aint picking it up
20:41<Killerspec1>rebooting now
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20:43<Killerspec1>i used unboot (I think thats the name of the program )to write all the files to the usb key except the .ucode files does that make a difference
20:43<aetbsaoea>ok well, what is your architecture? i386? amd64?
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20:43<Killerspec1>i386 but I am able to run amd64
20:44<aetbsaoea>debian and proprietary stuff has and will most likely always be finicky
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20:44<aetbsaoea>for squeeze
20:44<aetbsaoea>has non-free firmware built in
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20:45<aetbsaoea>that installer should auto-detect and use what you need for networking
20:45<Killerspec1>cool downloading now as I have been trying to load it for about 3 weeks now and minus all my hair at the moment
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20:46<Killerspec1>debian was so much easier on Raspberry Pi
20:46<aetbsaoea>wish i was more "pro", i could be more help..but i just came back from a long break myself =P
20:46<aetbsaoea>lol, ya
20:46<aetbsaoea>im jelly, haven't gotten to pla with a pi yet. jsut arduino
20:47<aetbsaoea>my local radioshack sells them both now, however.
20:47<jvelasquez_>themill, I found this old bug report, matches my symptoms exactly. 0x00 turned into a 0x03,
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20:47<raylu>MrFrood: pretty sure this stop-xscreensaver thing fixed it :D
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20:49<Killerspec1>the Pi was what got me interested in Linux as a whole have a drive with Ubuntu on it and it runs like a dream so I thought I would mess around with debian and have been pulling my hair out over this firmware but hey you aint going to learn nothing unless you figure it all out
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20:52<aetbsaoea>yes, debian is all about open source. so you always have few more hoops with non-free closed source stuff.
20:53<Killerspec1>I got the Pi as a gift from my brother in law but I reckon he gave it to me coz he knows I am obsesive when it comes to getting things to work and figured I would be helpful when it comes to building his up when he gets it
20:53<aetbsaoea>hopefully that installer works for you
20:53<aetbsaoea>haha, nice.
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20:53<aetbsaoea>you got reverse engineered lol.
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20:54<Killerspec1>hey I got a Pi from it all that makes any guy with a brain smile
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20:55<Killerspec1>ok I can us uniboot to write image to key ?
20:55<aetbsaoea>to burn the iso?
20:55<aetbsaoea>what os are you using now?
20:55<Killerspec1>at the moment I am win 7
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20:56<aetbsaoea>just right click the *.iso and burn image. win 7 can do it just fine.
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21:01<Killerspec1>nope had to be uniboot all the rest directing me only to Disc drive and the system I am using is a netbook so no disc drive
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21:04<Killerspec1>by the way thanks a million for the time and help
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21:14<aetbsaoea>did it work? wireless card firmware and such?
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21:15<aetbsaoea>i keep forgetting your usb booting. sorry.
21:16<Killerspec1>just loading it now
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21:16<aetbsaoea>*crosses fingers.
21:17<Killerspec1>nope grrrrr ok next plan remove card ad try again
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21:18<aetbsaoea>well shit.
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21:21<dietfig>hey all, I'm having trouble getting a PPTP VPN connection to authenticate to an MS server at work, I'm running Squeeze and using network-manager to setup the connection, debug output is at
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21:22<dietfig>the PPTP FAQ says that it's probably a problem with the credentials and advises to try disabling EAP which I did to no effect, the log still showed it was trying to use EAP
21:23<dietfig>I'd appreciate any ideas you all have, I'm stuck
21:24<Killerspec1>lol I removed the wireless card and it still asking for the driver so it must be the ethra net connection
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21:26<aetbsaoea>ok. last idea for me (when all else fails). complete the netinst installation with "do not configure network at this time"
21:27<aetbsaoea>the modern netinst will install all standard system utilites and drop you into a "minimal blahblahblah"
21:28<aetbsaoea>then put the *.deb package for you wireless card on a usb key
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21:28<aetbsaoea>insert it find it and dpkg -i *.deb your drivers.
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21:29<aetbsaoea>then you would have to manually change your /etc/apt/sources.list and aptitude update/install the rest you need.
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21:30<aetbsaoea>prolly have to also manually change your /etc/network/interfaces too.
21:30<aetbsaoea>i can possibly help with both.
21:32<Killerspec1>cool Thanks
21:33<aetbsaoea>i'll try my best. i had to actually on the computer i am using. was semi-easy.
21:34<aetbsaoea>i still cant believe the non-free driver installer no workies
21:34<Killerspec1>dont get me wrong but at this point I am further then I have been in 3 weeks so trust me I am grateful for the help
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21:35<Killerspec1>installing base system at the moment
21:35<aetbsaoea>no worries, ive had lots of "exciting" debian installs through the years on non-free stuff. at least its wireless now and not video drivers..that sucked.
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21:36<aetbsaoea>you using two comps? or vm?
21:37<Killerspec1>ok now that you have mentioned the whole video drivers you do knbow that they are next on my list of what can go wrongf
21:37<Killerspec1>two comps
21:37<aetbsaoea>lol, im using proprietary from nvidia website. im sorry, but nouvaeu is terrible.
21:38<aetbsaoea>ok good, vmware i just realized could be a whole different set of things
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21:39<Killerspec1>did a system fix for a mate not to long ago and as payment he gave me a netbook ....... it was slow as hell with windows on it and had no real use for it so decided to wipe it and try linux on it for a new experience and learning tool
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21:42<Killerspec1>ok have root@debian command line give me a sec need to reinstall that wireless card and attach ethra net cable again
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21:48<Killerspec1>ok have logged in and have root file logged into
21:48<aetbsaoea>so you have the net install installed on other box? without configureing the network during install?
21:49<Killerspec1>without network config
21:49<aetbsaoea>ok what is your network card again?
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21:49<aetbsaoea>forgive me, tomorrow off..few beers tonight.
21:50<Killerspec1>rtl8188ce is the number on the card
21:50<aetbsaoea>one sec
21:50<Killerspec1>and no hassle loads of sugar my side with beer and coffeee
21:50<aetbsaoea>oo you have the same as my alfa awus036nhr cards
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21:52<Killerspec1>I also have awus036nh card on usb which is the network adapter I would prefer to use
21:52<Killerspec1>just better coverage
21:53<aetbsaoea>lol. awus036nh? thats ralink 3070 i think?
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21:53<aetbsaoea>nhr was rt
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21:54<aetbsaoea>i have 2 awus036h and 2 awus036nhr's
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21:54<aetbsaoea>ok ya
21:54<Killerspec1>they are just better coverage when it comes to wifi thats all
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21:55<Killerspec1>ok quick question is this version of debian only command line
21:55<haylo>is there a package i can install to get security audits sent to my root mail, like is default on freebsd?
21:56<aetbsaoea>no, you just dont have a gui installed
21:56<aetbsaoea>you have very base system atm
21:56<aetbsaoea>until we get wireless card up to download rest
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21:56<Killerspec1>base system better then nothing
21:56<aetbsaoea>thank god you have two boxes =)
21:57<Killerspec1>lmao either that or I would be on my iphone trying to figure this out
21:58<Killerspec1>ok so what am I looking for I have etharnet cable attached and have awus036nh attached
21:59<aetbsaoea>then use the cable for install and we work on alfa later
21:59<Killerspec1>if I type lsusb it shows me the the awus
21:59<aetbsaoea>or no firmware for wired either?
21:59<Killerspec1>not sure can I just ping something from command line
22:00<aetbsaoea>when installing did you try to us wired interface
22:00<Killerspec1>what command do I need to type to check etheranet
22:01<aetbsaoea>ethernet should be listed under lspci as opposed to lsusb for the alfa
22:01<aetbsaoea>like lspci|grep ethernet
22:02<Killerspec1>ethranet controller rtl8101e/rtl8102e
22:04<Killerspec1>i have file with the drivers on the usb key can I install them from there
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22:48<dragondon_>Hey Gang, I am trying to setup PlayOnLInux and it seems I am getting an error that my 32bit graphics drivers are not installed for my AMD/ATI card. How can I tell?
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22:52<dioz>or lib32
22:52<jla>fix, SynrG: shutting down everything for a few minutes and booting it all up again fixed that oddness.
22:53<usr>sudo apt-get install jockey-gtk
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22:53<dragondon_>dioz, I do not see a package called just multi-arch
22:54<usr>install jockey
22:54<dioz>dragondon_: it's part of dpkg
22:54<sney>multi-arch is for testing and unstable, ia32-libs/lib32 is for stable
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22:55<dragondon_>man multi-arch
22:55<dioz>dpkg --add-architecture <arch>
22:55<dpkg>no idea, dioz
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22:56<dioz>then do a apt-get -f isntall
22:56<dpkg>Debian is working towards the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more ia32-libs!), helps tag firmware blobs with the correct arch and allows easier cross-compiling and bootstrapping. Multiarch support is a release goal for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy".
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22:58<dragondon_>thansk reading
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22:59<dragondon_>ok, where do I find the correct spelling for the <arch> switch?
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23:00<dragondon_>cool, thanks
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23:01<dioz>you run testing?
23:01<dioz>nvidia or radeon drivers?
23:02<dragondon_>squeeze, radeon
23:02<dioz>you useing the fglrx-drivers
23:02<dragondon_>"dpkg: unknown option --add-architecture"
23:02<dioz>so then you have to get lib32
23:03<dioz>apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk
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23:04<dragondon_>huh, already isntalled/newest version for both.
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23:04<dragondon_>sudo apt-get autoremove
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23:04<dioz>fglrx-glx-ia32 ?
23:05<dioz>are you use proprietary ?
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23:06<dragondon_>ugh, I honestly don't recall now. Trying to see if I wrote that in my notes.
23:06<dioz>lsmod will tell you
23:06<ext5>you use notes
23:07<dragondon_>if I don't write it down, I'll never remember it.
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23:08<dragondon_>seems that fglrx shows under lsmod list
23:08<ext5>i have had that happen before but i still try to rememberized everything and if its important enough ill spend hours learning it to a tee
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23:09<dragondon_>This is my second install on this machine. previous I had a mix of squeeze and testing and things got ugly. decided to stick with squeeze only till wheezy went stable
23:10<sney>yeah, mixing stable and testing always makes a mess
23:10<sney>testing is perfectly useable on its own, but it's just not meant to be mixed with stable
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23:11<dragondon_>"fglrx-glx-ia32 is already the newest version." well, this isn't going well....once of those 'somethings broken/nothings broken".
23:11<change>dragon: it's wise decision to stick with stable, if u don't want to fuck up with ur box :D
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23:11<ext5>change, what about tester to find bugs
23:12<dragondon_>change, yeah, got that... :)
23:12<change>sney: sid/wheezy=perfect os
23:12<dragondon_>This is the specific error I am getting from PlayOnLInux "No OpenGL extensions found" Still trying to grasp, is that different than the drives?
23:14<sney>dragondon_: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
23:14<sney>put it on so it doesn't trigger spam detection plz
23:15<dragondon_>umm, "Could not add your entry to the paste database:
23:15<dragondon_>Length of code is not allowed to exceed 150kB"
23:16<ext5>can playonlinux play counter-strike source with debian wheezy
23:17<dragondon_> let me do it:
23:17<mcoffin>!source packages
23:18<ext5>!source playonlinux
23:18<dragondon_>ext5, it says it can.
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23:19<ext5>dragondon, thankx
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23:19<dragondon_>ext5, np
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23:23<mcoffin>Whats a good open-source, cross-platform alternative to itunes? (i.e music library management software). I have my library formatted as (Artist/Album/song.[mp3/flac])
23:23<dragondon_>sney, see anything in there that might be wrong?
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23:24<sney>dragondon_: sorry, got sidetracked. no, it looks fine.
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23:25<sney>mcoffin: I generally have good results with rhythmbox, though I wouldn't call it "cross-platform" as it's only for *nix systems with GTK
23:25<dragondon_>sney, np. hmm, might be time to take this to their forums. wanted to make sure the linux side was ok
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23:26<dragondon_>mcoffin, I have been using Not a mp3 player but streaming. I've kinda gotten tired of managing mp3s.
23:27<dragondon_>mcoffin, maybe VLC?
23:27<mcoffin>sney: Thanks, but my parents need to be able to use this :D
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23:27<mcoffin>dragondon_: I'll check it out. Every day I learn another way in which VLC is feature creeped
23:28<mcoffin>The big thing is, I'd like it to be able to just keep track of that directory, that way when I add an mp3, its automatically added to the library
23:30<dragondon_>"dpkg: unknown option --add-architecture" how odd. thoughts?
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23:32<dragondon_>ah, "You need a multiarch-aware dpkg and apt."
23:33<dioz>you need testing
23:33<dioz>you're in stable so
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23:35<dragondon_>I'll aren't that important right now for me any ways. Would just be kinda nice
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23:40<dioz>dragondon_: what is the exact error you're getting?
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23:41<dragondon_>in the debug windows of the POL client, "err:wgl:is_extension_supported No OpenGL extensions found, check if your OpenGL setup is correct!" is repeated many, many times" yet I seem to have all the drivers installed...
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23:43<dragondon_>here is the output (sorry, paste.debian won't allow this large of a file)
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23:45<dragondon_>I am trying some of their solutions now.
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23:54<dpkg>somebody said autoconf was the tool of the devil. check the AUTOBOOK at
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