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00:07<Scriptonaut>Does anybody know the answer to the question I posted above?
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00:15<Latino>Scriptonaut, please try apt-get install -f
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00:16<Scriptonaut>I've tried this, and it still doesn't prevent the dependiency error
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00:17<Latino>can you post the command you're using and its output?
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00:23<Scriptonaut>There it is Latino
00:24<Scriptonaut>Wait whoops, that's me installing old kernel headers
00:24<Scriptonaut>same error though
00:24<Scriptonaut>just pretend that I'm installing 3.2
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00:25<Latino>Stupid question: have you run apt-get update?
00:27<Scriptonaut>I have
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00:29<Nemoder>Scriptonaut: pastebin your sources.list
00:30<Latino> cat /etc/apt/sources.list*
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00:35<Scriptonaut>Ther eyou go
00:35<Scriptonaut>I also tried install from the squeeze backports
00:36<Scriptonaut>no luck
00:38<Latino>I don't use stable, so idk if there are any release conflict in there
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00:41<Scriptonaut>Darn, well thanks for trying
00:41<Nemoder>Scriptonaut: it says you have unmet dep gcc-4.3 but you tried to install 4.4?
00:42<Scriptonaut>Oh, well it says 4.3 when I do apt-get install, but if I do apt-get install -t squeeze-backports it tells me I need 4.4
00:43<Scriptonaut>I talked to some guy on here last night who had me add the last 2 lines of my sources.list file
00:43<Scriptonaut>and then he told me to add the -t squeeze-backports to it
00:45<Nemoder>well what happens if you aptitude install gcc-4.3
00:46<Scriptonaut>Then it tells me the following packages have unmet dependencies
00:46<Scriptonaut>libstdc++6, libgomp1, and libgcc1
00:47<Nemoder>you might try just running aptitude and using the menus to see if it can find a better dependency resolution
00:48<scientes>4.3.....ppl living in the past
00:48<Scriptonaut>I just now got internet connection
00:48<Scriptonaut>The machine required non-free firmware
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01:23<andromedas>storm90hou: hi!
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01:35<pi>squeeze is slow
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01:50<jenenliu>hi guys. There is no sound in my squeeze laptop
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01:51<jenenliu>I can not fix it through the internet
01:51<jenenliu>can anyone help me?
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01:52<andromedas>jenenliu: are you using the laptop right now?
01:53<andromedas>have you tried typing alsamixer into the terminal?
01:54<jenenliu>but still no sound
01:55<andromedas>what card does alsamixer say you have? and did you make sure that all of the gains are up?
01:55<andromedas>and without the "MM" in the boxes below the levels
01:55<jenenliu>HDA intel PCH
01:56<jenenliu>yes, I am sure
01:57<jenenliu>: HDA Intel PCH F1: Help │
01:57<jenenliu>│ Chip: Intel ID 2805 F2: System information │
01:57<jenenliu>│ View: F3: Playback F4: Capture F5:[All] F6: Select sound card │
01:57<jenenliu>│ Item: Master [dB gain: -20.25, -20.25] Esc: Exit │
01:57<jenenliu>│ │
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01:59<jenenliu>andromedas: thanks
01:59<jenenliu>I will try that
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02:00<andromedas>jenenlie: hopefully that works, but I will keep looking
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02:09<andromedas>jenenliu: this might be of use as well
02:11<andromedas>also I've found that not having the PCM volume up is also a problem when programs try to play sound
02:12<andromedas>and just to check, type this to the terminal
02:12<andromedas>speaker-test -c2
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02:14<andromedas>I'm by no means a developer, computer scientist/engineer, debian developer, but I'd like to see this place become more active so I'll try my best to help anyone
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02:18<jenenliu>I am sorry, what is the speaker-test option. It says -c is unknown option
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02:19<Latino>try speaker-test -h
02:21<jenenliu>speaker-test successes
02:21<jenenliu>but no sound still
02:21<andromedas>try man speaker-test?
02:22<jenenliu>andromedas: i try those two ways, it didn't works
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02:23<Latino>has it work before?
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02:25<jenenliu>Latino: there is no sound since I installed squeeze
02:25<shax>hmmmmmm are you sure everything in alsamixer is without MM?
02:26<andromedas>shax: yea we tried that
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02:26<andromedas>he said everything in alsamixer is ok
02:26<andromedas>its apparently a common problem with his card
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02:27<jenenliu>there is my alsamixer information from my terminal
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02:28<jenenliu>oh, I am sorry, there is a 'MM' in my Master in the alsamixer
02:28<andromedas>there's the problem!
02:28<jenenliu>how can I fix it
02:29<shax>un MM everything by pressing ;
02:29<andromedas>or M
02:29<shax>when you are on the entry
02:30<jenenliu>I am really sorry
02:30<shax>there should a 00 appear then with green background :)
02:30<shax>does it work?
02:31<jenenliu>but there still no sound, do I have to reboot
02:31<shax>is the bar full?
02:31<shax>if not, raise the bar all the way by pressing the arrow keys up once you are at the entry.
02:32<jenenliu>yeah, 00 appear below Master and Digital , and all the bar is full 100 x 100
02:33<shax>also go through all your entries there, so as to make sure there are no MMs left. if that does not work, we can assume its a driver problem.
02:33<jenenliu>but still no sound my rhythybox is playing
02:33<andromedas>also make sure headphone (if you have it) and PCM are up as well, it matters for me at least
02:33<shax>^yea tgus
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02:36<jenenliu>yeah , PCM, Mic, Digital and Master bar are full, and there is no 'MM', I am sure now
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02:38<andromedas>jenenliu: driver issue then
02:38<andromedas>this is ubuntu, but relevant
02:38<andromedas>you probably need new alsa drivers
02:39<andromedas>squeeze comes with 1.0.23 and that thread says 1.0.24 are needed to support
02:40<Latino>the tread is from a sid distribution
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02:42<jenenliu>you mean it may works to installed alsa 1.0.24
02:42<andromedas>I believe so
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02:43<andromedas>squeeze has 1.0.23, wheezy has 1.0.25
02:43<jenenliu>I'll try that, thanks for you help , and shax , thanks
02:44<andromedas>no problem, hopefully that fixes it!
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02:46<jenenliu>andromedas: do you know how can I install new version of alsa in terminal
02:47<jenenliu>Is there some websites I can add to /etc/sources.list
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02:48<andromedas>no I think you have to do it from source
02:48<andromedas>this might help
02:48<andromedas>but instead using 1.0.24
02:49<andromedas>jenenliu: this is probably more helpful
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02:50<chris>is anyone here
02:51<Latino>nope, only us chicken
02:52<andromedas>jenenliu: but upgrading to wheezy might be an easier option... :P
02:54<jenenliu>andromedas: you mean, upgrade the whole system? And I will fix the wireless , and customize many other things again
02:55<andromedas>well, I guess it is your decision then
02:55<chris>this is probally off topic but if i change the firmware on my router to an older version will it brick it
02:56<jenenliu>I am sorry, I don't what is wrong with my xchat, I can't see the words after your 'the'
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02:57<jenenliu>andromedas: tell me how to upgrade to wheezy, and what is the advantage, just for alsa
02:59<andromedas>jenenliu: wheezy is pretty stable, and in my experience has better wireless support than squeeze does. But I don't know what your hardware is so I can't say that it will work 100%. It is possible to get alsa working on squeeze, but someone more experienced will have to tell you the steps to get it working
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03:00<jenenliu>andromedas: are there some documents about this ?
03:00<sney>the alsa driver version in squeeze-backports should be the same as wheezy, since alsa is part of the kernel and the kernel version is 3.2 for both squeeze-backports and wheezy
03:01<sney>no need to upgrade the entire distro, in other words. just the bpo kernel.
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03:06<jenenliu>thanks sney , but after I follow the instructions can it be wheezy?
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03:09<andromedas>if you install wheezy you will have 1.0.25 and your sound should work
03:09<andromedas>no need for backports
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03:10<jenenliu>upgrade or reinstall the system instead of wheezy?
03:11<andromedas>you can change your /etc/apt/sources.list to wheezy instead of squeeze and then do apt-get upgrade, or you can download wheezy from and install it that way
03:12<andromedas>or keep squeeze and use the directions sney gave you
03:12<andromedas>the choice is yours
03:13<jenenliu>ok, thanks
03:14<andromedas>no problem, hopefully I was helpful
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03:54<CQ>any recommendations for doing something dropbox-like? Woudl sparkleshare make sense, or are there other things (FSes?) that handle replication / mirroring well between a server and several laptops?
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04:32<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
04:32<CQ>#debian-it probably
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04:36<alfa>hello everybody, I've just installed debian wheezy from netinst, and I've installed fluxbox and pcmanfm as file manager, I'm having problems about automount of external disks
04:37<alfa>when I insert a cd it recognize it and let me mount the disk automatically, but then it doesn't let me unmount it because it says that I don't have permission to do that
04:37<alfa>when I connect an external usb disk, it doesn't let me mount it at all
04:37<alfa>probably I should set some permission to my user
04:38<alfa>could you help me with this, please?
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04:42<CQ>you can unmount it with sudo unmount /path/to/wherever
04:43<alfa>yes I know that, but I want to mount and unmount them by pcmanfm, it's more simple, and I know that it could be done
04:45<CQ>alfa: man fstab and look at the user option ?
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04:48<alfa>uhm... I'm quite sure that it isn't the way, my cdrom or external disk aren't in fstab, but root could mount/unmount them
04:48<alfa>perhaps I should add my user to some groups
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04:57<alfa>not for me :(
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05:03<alfa>nobody could help me? :(
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05:08<Osiris_X>alfa: if that's what you want to do, add your user to the cdroom group
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05:08<Osiris_X>however I don't think that will solve your problem
05:10<alfa>I've checked it, my user is already in the following groups: audio video cdrom plugdev
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05:31<alfa>I'll try again later, still not working :(
05:31<alfa>thanks anyway
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05:35<Eryn_1983_FL>hey peeps is there an issue with google-chrome and memeory ?
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05:50<Calinou>Eryn_1983_FL: chromium.
05:50<Calinou>don't use google chrome. never. ever.
05:50<Calinou>using google chrome is like being out of jail, but going in jail "because it has a better logo than real life"
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05:54<tziOm>Is it possible to run dpkg-buildpackage with it actually not doing anything, just outputting what it would do?
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05:57<SynrG>tziOm: not exactly, but perhaps debian/rules --dry-run is sufficient for what you want?
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06:00<tziOm>what I am actually wondering is how debian is configuring python based packages..
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06:03<piero2nd>why don't use google chrome?
06:03<piero2nd>whats the problem?
06:04<SynrG>other than it's not supported here?
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06:05<TobiX>piero2nd: Well, for one, it's non-free and therefore not part of Debian and as SynrG said, not supported here
06:05<SynrG>i think Calinou may have overstated his case, and is in any case, not here to defend his position. as for myself, i install debian packages unless there's a compelling reason not to ...
06:05<TobiX>piero2nd: You could just install Chromium...
06:06<SynrG>and in the case of google-chrome vs chromium, there's no reason for me to install google-chrome, as chromium is reasonably up-to-date on wheezy/sid where i use it
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06:07<SynrG>,versions chromium-browser
06:07<judd>Package: chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; sid: 21.0.1180.89~r154005-1; wheezy: 21.0.1180.89~r154005-1; sid: 22.0.1229.94~r161065-2
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06:07<dpkg>rocknrool: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi per sapere di più.
06:08<TobiX>Personally, I use Iceweasel/Firefox, because it has a privacy-preserving Sync...
06:08*gnugr was expected :)
06:08<piero2nd>ok thank you, i asked to know, i'm just new in that world
06:08<rocknrool>italiani dove siete
06:08<dpkg>rocknrool: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
06:08<dpkg>rocknrool: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
06:08<gnugr>!ops rocknrool
06:08<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gnugr complains about: rocknrool
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06:11<piero2nd>how to remove every packages and file system of google chrome by terminal? to install chromium later
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06:15<SynrG>if it is well-behaved, aptitude purge google-chrome
06:16<piero2nd>it will delete file config too?
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06:18<gnugr>piero2nd:yes, with "apt-get --purge remove google-chrome" will remove every simple file of it
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06:19<piero2nd>Pacchetti virtuali come "google-chrome" non possono essere rimossi
06:19<piero2nd>0 aggiornati, 0 installati, 0 da rimuovere e 0 non aggiornati.
06:19<piero2nd>its italian
06:20<piero2nd>packegs can't be removed
06:20<SynrG>so you don't have it installed, then
06:20<piero2nd>i'm using it
06:20<SynrG>probably not
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06:20<SynrG>dpkg -l chromium-browser
06:20<dpkg>No packages found matching chromium-browser
06:20<blubberdiblub>well, i think what he said was that he has the upstream google chrome installed, not the chromium package
06:21<SynrG>blubberdiblub: isn't that called google-chrome?
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06:21<blubberdiblub>SynrG, well, i don't have a package like that in my list. i'm using wheezy, tho
06:21<piero2nd>i'm using google chrome version 22.0.1229.94
06:22<SynrG>piero2nd: that looks suspiciously like the version# of chromium in wheezy
06:23<SynrG>piero2nd: did you not install it from the .deb packages provided by google?
06:24<perlwizard>debian on
06:24<piero2nd>yes i've downloaded it by google site
06:24<perlwizard>possible or impossible ?
06:24<piero2nd>.deb file
06:24<piero2nd>now i try to donwload it again
06:24<piero2nd>i want too see what happen
06:24<SynrG>piero2nd: the question is, what is the name of the package?
06:25<piero2nd>i deleted it after installation, now i download it again
06:25<SynrG>as we said, we don't support it. so we don't know these things. last i looked, it was called 'google-chrome'
06:25<piero2nd>oh, now i check
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06:26<SynrG>then aptitude purge google-chrome-stable
06:27<piero2nd>it worked good, thank you sorry for that noise
06:27<piero2nd>now i have to install chromium :O
06:28<SynrG>incidentally, are you on squeeze? the reason i ask is, chromium in squeeze is a bit old
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06:31<piero2nd>no i'm not on squeeze
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06:31<piero2nd>anyway to install last version?
06:32<piero2nd>i have to download it manually on web?
06:34<SynrG>no. just apt-get install chromium
06:34<SynrG>or aptitude install
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06:34<rainfyre>I think the package name is chromium-browser though
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06:34<SynrG>rainfyre: he said he's not on squeeze
06:34<rainfyre>sorry, I may be mistaken about that
06:35<rainfyre>SynrG: right, sorry about htat
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06:35<blubberdiblub>chromium-browser is just a transitional package in wheezy and sid
06:36<rainfyre>just saw that
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06:40<piero2nd>chromium don't work
06:40<piero2nd>chromium-browser too
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06:41<piero2nd>i can install it by softwere center
06:41<piero2nd>i'm on distro based on debian/ubuntu
06:41<piero2nd>whats the last version of chromium?
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06:41<gnugr>piero2nd:what/which debian version you run?
06:42<piero2nd>its chromium-browser 20.0.1132.47~r144678-0ubuntu0.12.04.1
06:42<blubberdiblub>he's running ubuntu, it seems ...
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06:42<gnugr>piero2nd:are you sure you run debian?
06:44<piero2nd>no, i run backbox linux 3 based on debian/ubuntu, so i ask information in debian/ubuntu channels :O
06:44<themill>piero2nd: no, you should ask for help from the people who made the distribution you are running
06:44<dpkg>BackBox Linux is a distribution based on <Ubuntu> Lucid, developed to perform penetration tests and security assessments. It is not supported in #debian. #backbox on See also <based on debian>.
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06:45<piero2nd>in that channel
06:45<piero2nd>there are
06:45<piero2nd>4 ppl
06:45<piero2nd>but i need that distro
06:45<piero2nd>cause i have to test smth
06:45<SynrG>tough luck for you, choosing a distro with poor support, then.
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06:46<SynrG>if you had wanted a large support community, you should have chosen a distro with a large support community
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06:48<piero2nd>I know, but I asked a general thing about google chrome, I thought there were no problems for you, even for experienced users
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06:50<SynrG>piero2nd: you thought wrong, then. we support debian, period.
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06:51<themill>we're also not interested in what may or may not be broken with a derivative most have never heard of
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06:55<piero2nd>so severe
06:55<piero2nd>btw thanks for help till now
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06:57<SynrG>severe? no. it's just that we are all volunteers, and as such, get to choose how we spend our time
06:58<SynrG>we have chosen to spend it on debian because it's a project we believe in and support
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07:01<fabio_>load .xchat2/
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07:10<Ghiottone>Hi all. I'm an android developer who wrote an Android app for news on linux world only ( it's here in case someone is curious ). I'm looking for more linux news feeds to add to my app, do you have any suggestions?
07:11<Ghiottone>You could also be interested in my Debian News android app as well, by the way ( )
07:11<Ghiottone>any suggestion for feeds to add is really appreciated, thanks!!
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07:13<Ghiottone>Maulkin, I checked them before, but could not find an rss feed
07:14<Maulkin>Ghiottone: lwn?
07:14<Ghiottone>Maulkin, do you know if there is a link to the feed?
07:14<Maulkin>Ghiottone: It's in the source:
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07:16<Ghiottone>Maulkin, cool! and at a first glance it could work really well with my app! thanks a lot!!
07:16<Maulkin>Ghiottone: I'm not entirely sure why people wouldn't just use a rss reader, but *shrug*
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07:16<Maulkin>Ghiottone: You may also want to look at the various planet installations
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07:19<Ghiottone>Maulkin, I used planet Debian for my other Debian News app
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07:19<Ghiottone>Maulkin, do you have some other site in mind?
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07:20<Maulkin>Ghiottone: there's a list on
07:21<Katy>Hi! I've just upgrade my netbook from squeeze to wheezy. After reboot I can only see first 3.5 chars, rest of display is blacked out. Don't know where to start, could someone point me in right direction? Thanks
07:22<Ghiottone>Maulkin, cool! thanks a lot again!
07:23<SynrG>Katy: do you at least see the grub boot menu before that?
07:23<Katy>SynrG: Yes, at the moment when resolution changes the problem occurs.
07:24<SynrG>Katy: what graphics chipset?
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07:25<Katy>SynrG: VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Geode LX Video
07:26<Ghiottone>Katy, you could try adding nomodeset to the grub command line
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07:28<Katy>Ghiottone: I'll try.
07:29<SynrG>,pciid [1022:2081] --release wheezy
07:29<judd>[1022:2081] is 'Geode LX Video' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' with kernel modules 'lxfb', 'ahci', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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07:29<Ghiottone>Katy, if I remember correctly I had graphic problems too when upgrading to newer kernels for the new Kernel Mode Settings feature. That flag should disable it
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07:31<Makakut>Hi I am looking for the best Debian tools for MAIL server. Nowadays I have Postfix + Spamassain + RBL list. I woul like to install postgrey. Can You recommend me something more?
07:31<Katy>Ghiottone: IIRC I have to add it to /etc/default/grub, right?
07:32<SynrG>this may be #686528
07:33<SynrG>have a look at
07:33<Ghiottone>Katy, yes it should go into the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=
07:33<SynrG>i don't know if that's going to work in this case
07:33<Ghiottone>Katy, but if your system doesn't boot, you can try adding it when you get grub prompt
07:33<SynrG>look at the bug report first
07:34<blubberdiblub>couldn't you just go without lxfb? or is it strictly required for Xorg, too?
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07:35<SynrG>probably. unless you want to live with vesa. ugh
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07:36<blubberdiblub>well, i meant Xorg could have a separate driver for Geode LX video, however i haven't looked
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07:36<blubberdiblub>apparently it has xserver-xorg-video-geode
07:36<Katy>nomodeset didn't help
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07:37<SynrG>as i said, read the bug
07:37<SynrG>it doesn't look like lxfb even supports KMS
07:37<SynrG>so nomodeset is irrelevant
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07:39<SynrG>since this bug is closed in sid you *may* be able to solve this by upgrading to the sid kernel
07:39<SynrG>you'll just have to force it to not use lxfb at boot, i guess
07:39<blubberdiblub>i don't really see the advantages of having a framebuffer text console. unless you want to see actual pictures using some text-mode browsers like w3m, and maybe a logo when booting
07:39<SynrG>video=vesa maybe
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07:42<Katy>Trying video=vesa
07:42<Katy>no effect
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07:45<blubberdiblub>if I were in that place, i would probably just blacklist lxfb and update-initramfs, but i don't know what negative side effects that may have in your case. so only try it if you have some way to correct that if it turns out it doesn't work at all
07:48<Katy>If I had lxfb, shouldn't lsmod show me?
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07:48<blubberdiblub>yes, i think so
07:49<blubberdiblub>unless it's built directly into the kernel (however, that's unlikely)
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07:50<blubberdiblub>hmm, looks like that isn't an actual module
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07:53<blubberdiblub>Katy, can you try something like lxfb.mode_option=800x600@75 as kernel options with modes you know should work?
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07:53<Katy>blubberdiblub: I'll do.
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08:02<Eryn_1983_FL>hey peeps, isn't there a way to run 686 apps on 64bit arch
08:03<babilen>Eryn_1983_FL: Which version of Debian do you use?
08:03<Eryn_1983_FL>i mean 32bit on 64 bit
08:03<Katy>blubberdiblub: lxfb.mode_option=640x480 doesn't help. I'm not sure about frequenz, so I left this out. Not sure if it makes a difference.
08:03<Eryn_1983_FL>dpkg -i failes.
08:03<dpkg>package failes. is already installed
08:04<Eryn_1983_FL> package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
08:04<babilen>Eryn_1983_FL: Ah, that means that you unfortunately cannot use wheezy's multiarch features ( - What are you really trying to do?
08:04<Eryn_1983_FL>lol, install retroshare
08:04<blubberdiblub>Katy, 60 is usually a good bet. if it doesn't work, can you try disabling vesafb altogether? (probably with video=vesafb:off)
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08:05<babilen>Eryn_1983_FL: Is this a production system?
08:06<Eryn_1983_FL>i was just checking it out,
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08:06<Eryn_1983_FL>so no
08:06<Eryn_1983_FL>i can make a VM for it i need to
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08:07<blubberdiblub>Katy, or maybe video=vesa:off - i'm not sure, there's conflicting info on the net as to whether you use the fb suffix or not
08:07<babilen>Eryn_1983_FL: You could either run it in a 32bit chroot, in a 32bit virtual machine (e.g. the excellent kvm) or "upgrade" to wheezy (current development release). The latter approach allows you to use wheezy's multiarch features, but also means that you are running a not-yet-ready-for-release system which might be tricky once in a while (cf. "/msg dpkg rc bugs")
08:08<babilen>Eryn_1983_FL: You cannot install that package directly on squeeze -- I also find it mildly pesky that they don't offer packages for amd64 and there might be a better alternative that is actually supported on Debian.
08:08<babilen>but *shrug*
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08:11<Katy>blubberdiblub: Neither works.
08:12<blubberdiblub>well, sorry, then i'm out of ideas
08:12<Eryn_1983_FL>thats ok i found something else
08:12<Eryn_1983_FL>perhaps but its installed
08:12<Katy>blubberdiblub: thanks anyway
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08:26<SynrG>Katy: maybe you could boot a rescue image, mount your system within that, chroot into it and try upgrading your kernel to the one in sid
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08:34<Katy>SynrG: I have ssh access or is it not recommended for this? OTOH how long will I take until the fixed kernel from sid arrives in wheezy?
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08:39<SynrG>Katy: you can ssh in and do it, sure
08:40<SynrG>there's no way to predict how long
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08:43<SynrG>the last kernel to migrate to wheezy was in august. the current kernel has only been in sid a short while. so i would guess "not soon"
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08:45<Katy>Just read a how to about installing sid kernel in testing, I will give it a try.
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09:15<Katy>Working now with 3.2.0-4-486
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10:28<thyem>Trying to create a bootable USB stick to install debian from. Cleared out the USB stick, partitioned it up with a FAT16 filesystem, flagged it bootable and did "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb1". Sadly it wont boot on either of the two systems I have tried
10:28<thyem>Any tips on how to get it to work?
10:29<dvs>thyem: cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb
10:30<thyem>Whats the difference to cat'ing it onto the partition number and just straight on the device?
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10:30<dvs>thyem: Catting straight to the device overwrite the MBR
10:30<EmleyMoor>thyem: Just dd the iso to /dev/sdb
10:31<thyem>thanks dvs, will try it first.
10:31<thyem>What does dd do?
10:32<dvs>thyem: dd is really the "official" way to go but cat (as well as sync afterwards) works too
10:32<engla>dd is a program to write data from one file to another.. but with a lot of options that makes it hard to use
10:32<thyem>Sounds good. Ill give it a go and see what happens
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10:32<thyem>Been awhile since I have been playing around with linux and I keep getting stuck on trivial stuff
10:33<thyem>Good thing someone invented IRC
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10:48<ompaul>thyem: you should not flag it bootable it should just work
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11:37<pajaro>whats /etc/apache2/conf-available/ directory for?
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11:38<abrotman>pajaro: is there a conf-enabled also ?
11:39<pajaro>abrotman, no :(
11:39<themill>pajaro: what files are in there?
11:39<pajaro>the package in question is tt-rss
11:40<pajaro>an alias
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11:40<pajaro>a file with an alias
11:40<themill>it's using a layout for apache2 2.4 packages not the 2.2 packages that are in wheezy and sid
11:40*themill notes that tt-rss is also not in wheezy
11:41<pajaro>i see...
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11:41<pajaro>just wondering how to install it... because there is litle instructions in read me u.u
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11:42<themill>have you read /usr/share/doc/tt-rss/README.Debian?
11:43<pajaro>themill, yup
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11:43<pajaro>little instructions there
11:43<pajaro>as i said
11:43<joseph-soares>hi, is there how to change how low is battery to hibernate laptop?
11:45<themill>pajaro: copying the file from conf-available to conf.d should do it
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11:47<pajaro>thank you themill it did work :)
11:47<pajaro>now at least i get tt-rss errors
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11:55<CoreNET>is there a debian distro smililar to centos minimal install
11:56<CoreNET>i dont mean netinstall version
11:57<pajaro>CoreNET, no idea what centos minimal installation have, but if you dont install anything from netinstall it will be pretty minimal
11:58<CoreNET>ok, got it
11:58<CoreNET>i'll try that
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12:00<themill>CoreNET: all the debian installers are the same -- you choose what you install. The only difference is when the packages are downloaded (before to stick on a CD or during the install)
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12:01<pajaro>they are? i installed with wheezy d-i beta 2 i dont remember selecting packages or tasks...
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12:01<pajaro>but maybe i just dont remember
12:02<pajaro>i have a pretty bad memory u.u
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12:15<CoreNET>ok now it ask to configure apt
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12:18<CoreNET>asked for the server and now installs the packages
12:19<CoreNET>i didnt prompt me to select if i wanted to install any packages or not
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12:26<CoreNET>ok now it did prompt
12:27<CoreNET>strange i tried to install couple time but it never did
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12:38<Alogeno>hi, someone here use a program to disable screensaver when watching youtube/flash_video? if so can you suggest it to me?
12:39<Alogeno>tested some script but no one works....i'm on gnome 3
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12:40<melmothX>Alogeno: try "xset dpms 0 0 0; xset s off"
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12:42<Alogeno>melmothX, none screensaver start anyway
12:42<Calinou>or just disable screensaver
12:42<Calinou>screensavers are useless today
12:42<Calinou>(unless you've got a CRT -- who has that today)
12:43<themill>automated screen locking is useful though
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12:43<Calinou>screen locking maybe (still, better lock it by hand), screen saving no :P
12:43<Alogeno>i'm not using screensaver itself, but for the locking
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12:43<themill>Alogeno: it depends on what screensaver you're using as to how it should be disabled.
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12:44<Alogeno>i now ctrl+alt+l lock screen wuth i'd like something more automated
12:44<Alogeno>i'm using gnome-screensaver
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12:44<Alogeno>i think it's the default actually with new gnome
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12:45<Calinou>gnome: more confusing since 2010(R) :)
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12:46<Alogeno>Calinou, eheh ;)
12:46<Alogeno>some decisions are absurde
12:46<Alogeno>lke to not have a startup application gui for example
12:47<themill>Alogeno: there's probably a dbus call you can make to disable the screensaver -- qdbusviewer and qdbus are easy ways of doing that.
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12:47<Alogeno>btw you can recall it with gnome-session-properties
12:47<Alogeno>themill, first time hear them i go to read, thanks
12:50<Alogeno>themill, qdbusviewer doesn't exist in my box...and that apart qdbus it's QT based
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12:51<themill>it's in the qt4-dev-tools. There's nothing stopping you using a qt based tool on your machine and these tools are a damned sight easier to use than any others I've seen for poking around on dbus.
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12:53<Alogeno>i'm not a programmer and i'm sure you are 100% right, but i'd like to stay with gtk/gnome libs if it's possible
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12:55<chriszeroum>hello :)
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12:56<chriszeroum>almost had to sell my soul but finally got my netbook OK with debian :)
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13:06<chriszeroum>i almost fixed everytinh, but still no sound here :| only the damn pc beep ehehehe
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13:09<vimes>I'm running crunchbang on a really shit laptop that overheats and crashes if you make it do too much. Can anyone suggest a program that will monitor the system tempertures and slow it down if the tempertures go too high?
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13:09<chriszeroum>sound fixed :)
13:09<chriszeroum>hi, doesnt hw info show temp 
13:09<themill>vimes: please ask #crunchbang on
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13:10<chriszeroum>but remember it depends on the hw sensors
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13:13<vimes>wait, what do I type to use hw info?
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13:14<chriszeroum>you gonna install it
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13:14<chriszeroum>it shows the temp, w8
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13:15<chriszeroum>can you use xsensors 
13:15<chriszeroum>it is already in debian reps
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13:17<chriszeroum>i installed it just to show you
13:17<chriszeroum>already working and showing the temp of my cpu
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13:18<chriszeroum>ps: try getting some thermal paste to the cpu, or even an external usb fan that attaches to the outfan
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13:18<themill>chriszeroum, vimes: perhaps you'd like to take it to #crunchbang on We have no idea if this advice is applicable or not to the packages actually available.
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13:18<vimes>ok thanks
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13:19<vimes>sorry talking to a few other people right now
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13:19<chriszeroum>np :) i a actually typing here in my win machine and setup debian in the other ehehe
13:19<vimes>is the themill a bot?
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13:21<chriszeroum>no idea, this is the 2nd time i came here
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13:24<Scriptonaut>Hey guys, I installed the new linux kernel by going: apt-get -t squeeze-backports linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 firmware-linux-free
13:24<Scriptonaut>Do I also need to install the headers
13:25<Scriptonaut>or are they included in the image?
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13:25<themill>Scriptonaut: the headers are a separate package. If you want to compile out-of-tree modules (nvidia, vbox, ...) then you'll want them but otherwise you don't need them
13:26<Scriptonaut>I have non-free NIC
13:26<Scriptonaut>so I'm guessing I would want them right?
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13:27<chriszeroum>nope, you gotta install them separated
13:27<themill>Scriptonaut: depends -- that's probably just a firmware package you need rather than compiling a separate driver.
13:27<chriszeroum>use linux-headers-the stuff
13:28<chriszeroum>did that today to install ath0k proper and amd drivers too ehehe
13:28<Scriptonaut>Man I'm such a noob none of this actually makes sense, lol
13:28<Scriptonaut>Will it hurt to install the new headers?
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13:28<chriszeroum>i am noob too, this is my 2nd day here to make stuff work ehehehehe
13:28<chriszeroum>boot with 3.2
13:29<Scriptonaut>Ya, this place is way better than the forums(or stack exchange) to get problems fixed
13:29<Scriptonaut>I did
13:29<Scriptonaut>will the 2.6 always be there now?
13:29<Scriptonaut>at the boot menu
13:29<chriszeroum>and use apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential
13:30<chriszeroum>i believe debian still uses 2.6 for security reasons, since its a more "raw" and base system
13:30<themill>Scriptonaut: having the headers installed does no harm. Both kernels will be available on the boot menu until you remove one of them
13:30<Scriptonaut>It's strange, when I used apt-get install it didn't work, said unmet dependencies, but when I did apt-get -t squeeze-backports it worked
13:30<chriszeroum>i did it today this, so it still in my su shell memory
13:30<chriszeroum>yep, but the headers are different install
13:31<Scriptonaut>Oh, that's why there were two options at the boot menu
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13:31<chriszeroum>yep ther 2.6 kernel is not deleted, it just appears as other old kernel in the menu
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13:31<chriszeroum>but the default by grub is booting the latest one
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13:32<chriszeroum>you did it fine  got the headers 
13:32<pajaro>is there an easy way to show the depends versions of a package to include it in a bug report?
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13:34<themill>pajaro: reportbug includes this information automatically
13:34<pajaro>i was sending my own email.. but i guess i can copy paste from reportbug
13:34<pajaro>thank you
13:34<Scriptonaut>alright, installed the headers, just waiting for reboot
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13:35<themill>pajaro: reportbug does lots of things for you automatically -- it's worth using it
13:35<Scriptonaut>Do any of you guys understand what squeeze-backports are
13:35<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>.
13:35<pajaro>themill, thing is bug is in a remote minimal server i dont have reportbug installed
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13:36<themill>pajaro: ahh. fair enough. It's not large so I often just install it.
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13:36<pajaro>im sshed in and i wanted to list the versions to add it to the bug
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13:36<pajaro>i can installed i guess
13:36<pajaro>install it
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13:36<Scriptonaut>Wait so then if backports are the current stable, what are stable, squeeze-updates, and squeeze/updates?
13:37<Scriptonaut>and what do the main contrib non-free mean?
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13:38<themill>Scriptonaut: you can "/msg dpkg $term" for each of those terms. You might also like to /msg dpkg debian-handbook
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13:49<bkkid>afternoon all
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13:51<bkkid>anyone else here ?
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13:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:53<bkkid>I am having problem running xen 4.2 in debian squeeze 6.0.6
13:53<bkkid>please help
13:53<bkkid>thank you dpkg
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13:57<Alogeno>bkkid, i think dpkg is a bot ;)
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13:57<Alogeno>and sorry i can't help you with xen
13:57<bkkid>got you geno
13:57<bkkid>no prob
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14:04<Scriptonaut>Do you guys know why I might be getting tons of errors from running the makefile for the b44 device driver? The first errors say that linux/config.h doesn't exist
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14:41<Scriptonaut>Do you guys know where I could find a b44 driver/firmware? It's nonfree
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15:07<hasdf>installed fglrx from the amd-site on wheezy. no getting "error while loading shared open shared object file: No such file or directory" when trying to run 'aticonfig --initial'
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15:08<towo`>your problem is: "installed fglrx from the amd-site on wheezy"
15:09<towo`>it's allways a bad idea to install software by bypassing the package management
15:12<hasdf>yep. but i'm not able to configure 2 monitors with the driver in the repos
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15:13<towo`>fglrx in the repo is the same as the driver from amd
15:14<hasdf>interesting. than I'm to dumb to configure without amdcccle.
15:14<towo`>the only difference is, fglrx from debian works
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15:16<towo`>for amdcccle you have to install fglrx-control
15:16<towo`>no need to configure without it
15:17<hasdf>ty. installing fglrx-driver now.
15:17<towo`>this will propably not work
15:17<towo`>since you have fucked up your system with the shitty amd-installer
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15:18<hasdf>we'll se. removed it with the uninstall .sh
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15:24<hasdf>well. looks pretty much fucked up.
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15:34<indio>Hi I'm getting the following error on Debian/testing/amd64 make: *** No hay ninguna regla para construir el objetivo `/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h', necesario para `bitlbee.o'. Alto.
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15:37<mmgc84>ping test
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15:46<mistermix>come si usa sto sftw x scaricare un video?
15:46<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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15:56<Scriptonaut>Hey guys, could one of you tell me where to get non-free drivers?
15:56<abrotman>!tell Scriptonaut about non-free
15:56<Scriptonaut>I downloaded firmware-linux-non-free
15:56<SynrG>but can you be more specific?
15:57<SynrG>that would be non-free firmware, not non-free drivers
15:57<Scriptonaut>I need the bcm4401-b0 driver for amd63
15:57<Scriptonaut>oh ya
15:57<SynrG>lspci -nn |grep -i network
15:58<Scriptonaut>Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN
15:58<SynrG>that's not what i asked for
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15:58<Scriptonaut>what did you ask for?
15:58<SynrG>lspci -nn |grep -i network
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15:59<Scriptonaut>Thats exactly what I typed
15:59<SynrG>it's not what you pasted
15:59<SynrG>maybe you missed a bit?
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15:59<SynrG>02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:002b] (rev 01)
16:00<abrotman>!tell Scriptonaut about bcm4311
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16:01<andromedas>SynrG: do you have NetworkManager or wicd?
16:01<SynrG>andromedas: neither
16:02<Sifu__>hello! launching Googleearth shuts down the Xserver; do u have any idea; i'm using an intel video card
16:02<Scriptonaut>Oh I did
16:02<Scriptonaut>hold on
16:02<SynrG>abrotman: now you're just being silly
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16:03<SynrG>i use vim and wpa_cli to configure and control it
16:03<Scriptonaut>0b:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [14e4:4311] (rev 01)
16:03<SynrG>unbeatable efficiency for fast network switching when i'm on my daily commute
16:03<Scriptonaut>I don't know why it's saying that and not my wired connection
16:03<Scriptonaut>my wireless works fine
16:03<SynrG>if i had to deal with a gui, i'd never be connected in time to use it
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16:04<SynrG>Scriptonaut: er? ok ... i thought you *were* talking about wireless
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16:04<Scriptonaut>no, my wired connection
16:05<Scriptonaut>dpkg says that it's part of the kernel
16:05<dpkg>Scriptonaut: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
16:05<SynrG>lspci |grep -i ethernet
16:05<SynrG>er, sorry
16:05<SynrG>lspci -nn |grep -i ethernet
16:05<Scriptonaut>No worries, you're helping me
16:05<Scriptonaut>03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02)
16:06<SynrG>still missing the pciid
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16:06<Scriptonaut>This time I got it lal
16:06<SynrG>did you see my correction above? the second one i typed, not the first
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16:08<Scriptonaut>03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX [14e4:170c] (rev 02)
16:08<Scriptonaut>There we go
16:08<SynrG>ok. debian squeeze?
16:08<Scriptonaut>I just updated the kernel to 3.2
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16:08<SynrG>,pciid [14e4:170c]
16:08<judd>[14e4:170c] is 'BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'b44' in squeeze. See also
16:08<abrotman>that doesn't require firmware
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16:08<Scriptonaut>That's what it says
16:08<abrotman>the wireless days
16:09<Scriptonaut>however it won't configure
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16:09<Scriptonaut>dmesg | grep Broadcom tells me: Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PMNLS ]
16:10<abrotman>43xx is not the same as 4401
16:10<abrotman>just thought i'd point that out ..
16:11<Scriptonaut>It doesn't require firmware, but it requires a driver right?
16:11<Sifu__> hello! launching Googleearth shuts down the Xserver; do u have any idea; i'm using an intel video card
16:12<abrotman>Scriptonaut: the bot told you about 4311 about 30 minutes ago
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16:13<Scriptonaut>All he told me was that it is part of the kernel and does not require firmware
16:15<abrotman>no ..
16:15<abrotman>Scriptonaut: see what the bot told oyu in msg
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16:17<siddy>does virtualbox work in debian wheezy?
16:18<abrotman>it does for me
16:18<siddy>I can't get it to work in siduction
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16:18<siddy>usb is greyed out
16:18<abrotman>this isn't a support channel for siduction .. so can't help you
16:18<Scriptonaut>I did, he literally only told me that b44 is a driver supporting devices based on Broadcom 44xx/47xx Fast ethernet. It's part of the linux kernel and does not require firmware from userspace
16:19<Scriptonaut>dpkg bcm4401
16:19<dpkg>b44 is a driver supporting PCI devices based on Broadcom 44xx/47xx Fast Ethernet (100 Mbit/s) controllers. It is part of the Linux kernel and does not require <firmware> from userspace.
16:19<abrotman>Scriptonaut: no, you didn't
16:19<abrotman>holy shit ..
16:19<abrotman>you still can't read
16:19<siddy>can't you tell me how to get usb configured? it must be the same way?
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16:19<abrotman>siddy: wrong channel, try the siduction support channel, this isn't it
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16:19<abrotman>Scriptonaut: he told you in MSG about 4311 NOT 4401
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16:19<Scriptonaut>I don't need 4311
16:20*abrotman gives up
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16:20<Scriptonaut>My question was about bcm4401, not bcm 4311
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16:21<abrotman>what about it?
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16:21<Scriptonaut>Ok, so my card is bcm4401, and I can't configure the wired network
16:21<hasdf>towo`, so it's really fucked up. gdm3 is working, but after login it just shows failsaife xterm session (gnome as well as xfce). any idea what to do? (except safe data and reinstall)
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16:22<Scriptonaut>When I do ifdown eth0 it says interface eth0 not configured
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16:22<abrotman>so configure it
16:22<Scriptonaut>my /etc/network/run/ifstate file shows only one line: lo=lo
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16:22<Scriptonaut>How? lol
16:23<Scriptonaut>I tried configuring it based on /etc/network/interfaces
16:23<abrotman>so what didn't work?
16:23<towo`>hasdf, /var/log/Xorg.0.log sayes what?
16:23<Scriptonaut>I can get the device to show that it's running
16:23<Scriptonaut>however it won't connect to the default gateway
16:23<Scriptonaut>it can't reach it
16:23<indio>Hi. This is a fresh install from debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso, I chose "Spanish" as language, but I have a mixed environment of English and Spanish. Can I switch to Spanish only?
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16:26<hasdf>towo`, over 700 lines. anything to look for?
16:26<Guest3479>benvenuti al sud
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16:27<hasdf>last three lines: "AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch
16:27<hasdf>fglrx(0): Backup framebuffer data.
16:27<hasdf>fglrx(0): Backup complete"
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16:28<towo`>hasdf, put the whole log to a pastebin
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16:29<abrotman>indio: #debian-es might be a better plcae to ask
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16:30<indio>True. Thanks.
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16:38<towo`>hasdf, your xserver is started without problem, so it must be a misconfig for the user
16:39<towo`>hasdf, for a test create a new user and test with this new user
16:41<hasdf>towo`, tried with gdm3 restart - same problem, trying now after reboot.
16:42<hasdf>nope, not working
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17:06<hasdf>towo`, any more ideas. will start reinstalling in about an hour.. need the pc to work tomorrow :/
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17:07<towo`>hasdf, no, only one tip, do not install software by bypassing the package management
17:08<hasdf>yep. got that.
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17:30<Agares>hi all
17:30<galvao>Hi, everyone. I want to keep a package from being upgraded. I've recently learned about aptitude hold. The thing is I executed that, but when I do a apt-get upgrade, apt still declares that the package will be upgraded. How can I "truly" hold a package, so apt-get won't upgrade it anymore?
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17:32<nadir>galvao: search for something like this: echo "package_name hold"|dpkg --set-selections
17:32<Scriptonaut>Hey, do any of you guys know how to autoconfigure a wired NIC?
17:33<Scriptonaut>I can't seem to connect through ethernet
17:33<galvao>thank you, nadir, searching
17:33<retrospectacus>!tell Scriptonaut about networking
17:34<nadir>galvao: i used that commnad, but not often enough to simply say: "oh, just use this"
17:34<nadir>hence i said: search a bit.
17:34<nadir>to avoid trouble.
17:34<Sifu__> hello! launching Googleearth shuts down the Xserver; do u have any idea; i'm using an intel video card
17:34<retrospectacus>Sifu__: check ~/.xsession-errors
17:35<galvao>nadir: I see, thank you, I'm already googling it.
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17:36<Scriptonaut>@retrospectacus Thanks, I did everything that guide said, edited my interfaces file to configure a static ip connection for eth0. Restarted the network, still no connection. ethtoo eth0 tells me that there is no link detected.
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17:37<galvao>nadir: Found it:
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17:37<galvao>nadir: you were right on the money =)
17:37<nadir>cool. glad
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17:44<retrospectacus>Scriptonaut: - let's see "ifconfig -a; cat /etc/network/interfaces; mii-tool eth0; route -n" and their outputs, and a description of your local setup and goal and what you've tried, any relevant error messages etc
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17:48<Scriptonaut>alright I'll get onit
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17:50<Scriptonaut>retro, did you mean for route -n" to have that quote?
17:52<retrospectacus>also check your ethernet cable for integrity and good pluggage - both ends with lights
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17:56<Scriptonaut>Alright restro, here are the outputs
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17:56<Scriptonaut>weird, sending that list disconnected me
17:56<Scriptonaut>did it actually make it here?
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17:57<hasdf>5 pastes did
17:57<Scriptonaut>alright, those 5 pastes are ethtool, ifconfig, interfaces, miitool, and route output, respectively
17:59<Scriptonaut>@ retro, The purpose of this is to get my ethernet connection working, I'm doing it on a dell inspiron 6400, and am trying to make a file server for fun, I thought it would help me learn debian better
17:59<siddy>hi Scriptonaut
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18:00<siddy>you still have your ethernet problem? wired?
18:00<siddy>how many computers do you have on the network?
18:01<retrospectacus>says it's not plugged in. try what I said 8 minutes ago
18:01<Scriptonaut>I pasted 5 links with the output of ethtool eth0, ifconfig -a, interfaces, mii-tool eth0, and route -n
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18:01<siddy>if you just had one, would it work?
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18:01<Scriptonaut>I have 7-8 computers on the network
18:01<siddy>how many are online / access to the internet?
18:02<Scriptonaut>Thanks retro, I was disconnected and can't see what you said, but didn't you just say to make sure the lights were on?
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18:02<Scriptonaut>all of them
18:02<Scriptonaut>@ siddy
18:02<Scriptonaut>Well, as far as ethernet devices go, I only have one
18:02<Scriptonaut>my main desktop, and now I'm trying to add this laptop via ethernet, everything else is connected via wifi
18:03<siddy>oh, so the laptop'
18:03<siddy>oops, laptop wifi card is the prob?
18:03*retrospectacus wanders off
18:03<Scriptonaut>No, it's the wired ethernet controller, retro says that it's because it's unplugged
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18:03<Scriptonaut>I can connect fine via wifi
18:03<Scriptonaut>it took me a long time, but I finally did it with wicd-curses
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18:05<siddy>I see
18:05<siddy>so, this?: 'BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'b44?
18:05<Scriptonaut>when I type lsmod
18:05<Scriptonaut>it says b44 is there, with 0 users
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18:05<siddy>with the ethernet cabled plugged in there?
18:06<siddy>you verified the cable is good?
18:06<Scriptonaut>Well, the light is on, but I've done nothing other than that. What would be an easy way to test it's integrity?
18:06<siddy>sorry, if my questions are dumb... I just go step by step :)
18:07<Scriptonaut>No it's not dumb, I'm new so I may overlook a lot of these things
18:07<siddy>plug into another computer
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18:07<siddy>I've had cables that got bent or otherwise became defective... and you go crazy wondering what is wrong... until you test and find out
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18:08<siddy>I think retro said the b44 driver is part of the kernel? so, modules should be built and it should be plug'
18:08<siddy>n play, right?
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18:13<siddy>I would also try a live cd or dvd with the laptop plugged in to see if it works... since, it would be a fresh boot via live media
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18:13<siddy>I'd try to find another cable for the test, too... or a 2nd cable to compare
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18:14<Scriptonaut2>Hey siddy
18:14<Scriptonaut2>it was the cable I think
18:14<Scriptonaut2>I couldn't get a connection on it
18:14<Scriptonaut2>even though the light was on
18:15<Scriptonaut2>also irc doesn't realize that I disconnected, haha
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18:15<siddy>that would be good, huh? :)
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18:15<Scriptonaut2>Ya, so thanks
18:15<Scriptonaut2>now at least I will stop banging my head against the wall for no reason
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18:16<siddy>the wifi card works fine?
18:16<Scriptonaut2>ya, I got the b43 drivers, and then used wicd-curses
18:16<siddy>a quick search seems as though there's open firmware least, at debian sid level
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18:16<siddy>ask retro about this: openfwwf
18:18<brandt>need to know if system has been hacked due to invalid emails rec'd with private passwords and even house alarm code used as pswrd for subscription nvr applied for. can anyone help?
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18:20<brandt>am rly new to ubuntu/linux/gnome and respectfully ask for help if someone has the time
18:21<siddy>Scriptonaut2, what level of debian do you use?
18:21<retrospectacus>siddy: Scriptonaut2's wireless always worked, and the bot is dpkg not me
18:21<Scriptonaut2>like the kernel?
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18:21<Scriptonaut2>oh, stable
18:21<Scriptonaut2>I mean squeezy
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18:21<Scriptonaut2>squeeze fuck
18:22<Scriptonaut2>I just updated the kernel headers and image to 3.2
18:22<brandt>oh man, i'm such a noob. 12.10?
18:22<siddy>do you use synaptic?
18:22<Scriptonaut2>what is that?
18:22<Scriptonaut2>like a mouse?
18:22<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc brandt
18:22<dpkg>brandt: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
18:22<siddy>package manager...
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18:22<siddy>ask retro
18:22<Scriptonaut2>So far I've only used dpkg, aptitude, apt
18:22<brandt>ok, sry
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18:23<Scriptonaut2>I don't have a windows manager, just cli
18:23<siddy>retrospectacus, do you know about openfwwf firmware for broadcom cards?
18:24<birch>Scriptonaut2, sorry i missed the beginning of your conversation, could you pm me a summary of your problem? i'm interested because i also recently updated to kernel 3.2 on squeeze.
18:24<towo`>siddy, apt-cache show openfwwf will tell you
18:25<Scriptonaut2>How do I pm
18:25<Scriptonaut2>new to irc
18:25<siddy>towo`, I am just telling Scriptonaut2 ... he has the broadcom hardware
18:25<towo`>no, you asked retrospectacus about openfwwf
18:26<siddy>I just remember having a broadcom wifi card in my thinkpad a long time ago... b43 bcm4318.... it was problematic :)
18:26<pajaro>would it be considered a bug if /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf is world readable? There might be passwords in there
18:26<siddy>towo, yes, if he ever had any experience with it
18:26<retrospectacus>why do people keep asking/telling me things? I have no problem, I just told Scriptonaut2 to check his cable! We are we even talking about wireless?
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18:27<Scriptonaut2>Ya there was never a problem with wireless
18:27<siddy>retrospectacus, and it was his cable :)
18:27<Scriptonaut2>it was my wired connection
18:27<retrospectacus>... I know
18:27<siddy>good luck with wifi :)
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19:00<abrotman>just ask
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19:38<cuatroveritatis>Good night from Spain
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19:42<diplomatico>is there anyone who can help me upgrade my kernel?
19:42<abrotman>from what to what?
19:42<diplomatico>2.6 to the latest
19:43<abrotman>latest where?
19:43<diplomatico>someone on here was helping me with a separate issue and they were going to help me upgrade my kernel
19:44<nevyn>diplomatico: why do you need a newer kernel?
19:44<diplomatico>because i cannot install video drivers
19:44<nevyn>!bdo kernel
19:44<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are at Ask me about <bdo> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current bdo kernel «aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
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19:44<abrotman>you can't install video drivers with which kernel? for which card?
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19:45<diplomatico>i installed deb from the image on the main web; after installing, i tried installing a driver for nvidia
19:45<diplomatico>couldn't get it to work, so i came here and someone was helping me with it and they said that i needed upgrade my kernel
19:46<themill>diplomatico: real commands and real output in a pastebin are going to be much more useful to us than your approximate descriptions
19:46<nevyn>how did you attempt to install the driver for nvidia?
19:46<diplomatico>i downloaded drivers from the nvidia site and tried doing google searches to see if there were any commands that i could use
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19:47<diplomatico>they were helping me with pastebins but they're not here now so i could probably need some guidance with getting the kernal updated and vid drivers installed
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19:47<themill>Please don't make us guess what packages you've been installing and also what random commands you tried :(
19:49<diplomatico>well i want to continue using deb, last linux where my video did work was ubuntu studio and i installed whilst connected to the internet and everything was updated
19:50<diplomatico>if someone could help me over pm, that'll be great
19:51<themill>diplomatico: no-one can help you if you don't provide information. Three people have asked you to provide more information now and you have not yet done so.
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19:53<diplomatico>okay, i'm trying to install an nvidia 8600m gt and i'm currently running 2.6.32-5-amd64
19:54<abrotman>isn't that an old card?
19:55<diplomatico>not older than a few years but i suppose it's old
19:55<abrotman>did you try the Debian method to install the nvidia stuff, or just go straight to their website and do the wrong hting?
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19:57<diplomatico>at first i tried looking at certain sites to get it installed and i realized that after copy-pasting commands and after things weren't working, i realized that i wasn't getting anywhere
19:57<abrotman>so you just tried th einstaller from the nvidia websit einstead of asking here?
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19:58<diplomatico>i didn't know the drivers could be installed from the website
19:59<diplomatico>i thought one could come here to ask for assistance with debian
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19:59<abrotman>but we don't support the installer you download from the nvidia website
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20:00<diplomatico>ok, i'm just trying to get my video card working on debian, i'm a bit new to getting things working on linux
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20:06<Ablac>I made the mistake of INstalling Java 8 in Debian and some of my Java Apps arnt working properly how do i uninstall Java 8?
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20:07<rainfyre>Ablac: how did you install it?
20:07<rainfyre> apt-get remove
20:07<simonlnu>um, what?
20:08<abrotman>there's a java 8? in Debian?
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20:08<Ablac>root@Debian-60-squeeze-64-minimal ~ # java -version
20:08<Ablac>java version "1.8.0-ea"
20:08<Ablac>Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0-ea-b62)
20:08<Ablac>Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.0-b06, mixed mode)
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20:08<simonlnu>not according to my aptitude
20:08<abrotman>because doesn't have Java 8
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20:09<Pyker>yeh, there's openjdk8 apparently
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20:10<Ablac>java version "1.8.0-ea"
20:10<Ablac>thats the version
20:10<themill>dpkg: tell diplomatico about paste
20:10<Ablac>so would i type apt-get remove (Confused...(
20:11<rainfyre>apt-get remove <package name>
20:11<simonlnu>you also need the package name(s)
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20:12<abrotman>Ablac: what package did you install ?
20:12<simonlnu>dpkg -l '*openjdk*'
20:12<dpkg>No packages found matching '*openjdk*'
20:12<Ablac>I have a feeling it was Oprical-java8-installer
20:12<Ablac>oracle-java8-installer - Oracle Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 8
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20:13<simonlnu>that's not via apt-get ...
20:14<Ablac>Oh interesting
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20:14<Pyker>isn't that WebUpd8's or so PPA?
20:14<Ablac>ya i did a apt-cache to find that
20:14<Ablac>apt-cache search jdk
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20:14<abrotman>judd: versions oracle-java8-installer
20:14<judd>No package named 'oracle-java8-installer' was found in i386.
20:14<abrotman>Ablac: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in
20:14<Ablac>It removed 1.8
20:15<Ablac>But it also has 1.6
20:15<Ablac>which might be the cause of the problems.
20:15<Ablac>one sec let me get that.
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20:16<simonlnu>probably overwrote everything, and didn't even use java-alternatives
20:16<abrotman>deb precise main
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20:16<abrotman>guess what .. we don't support that
20:16<Ablac>I didnt add any sources
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20:16<simonlnu>we don't support it
20:16<abrotman>oh, i guess your other admin did ?
20:17<themill>the installer might
20:17<Ablac>whoever installed might have put it there.
20:17<abrotman>he said he used apt-get to install the java
20:17<Pyker>removing the installer package should remove Java 8 as well
20:17<Ablac>ya i used apt-get
20:17<Pyker>if they did it right, that is
20:19<rainfyre>themill: the installer would add ubuntu repos to a debian box?
20:19<themill>rainfyre: depends... we're light on details and long on speculation right now.
20:19<Ablac>How can i remove the repos...
20:19<themill>Ablac: same way you added them
20:19<Pyker>given that it's a ppa, yeh, it might add an ubuntu repo
20:19<Ablac>:/ Not sure how that is
20:20<rainfyre>Pyker: interesting
20:20<themill>rainfyre: I *think* the installer in question does not do that, but htf can we know...
20:20<Pyker>Ablac: run apt-get purge oracle-java8-installer
20:20<Ablac>The server was installed by Hetzner
20:20<simonlnu>ugh, hetzner
20:20<rainfyre>themill: that's crazy
20:20<themill>Ablac: hetzner does not add PPAs there like that
20:20*abrotman thinks the admin added it!
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20:23<diplomatico>ok themill, what command should i put in to paste to get you guys the right info
20:24<Ablac>When i run apt-get remove sun-java6-jdk i get an error saying Oracle JDK 7 is NOT installed
20:24<simonlnu>diplomatico: answer the questions
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20:25<rainfyre>Ablac: what do you get with aptitude search java6
20:25<diplomatico>lets start again, what questions then
20:25<rainfyre>Ablac: ? does it show what java packages you have installed? They'll be the ones with an "i" to the left of them
20:26<rainfyre>and sun-java6-jre
20:26<Ablac>When i run them i get the same error
20:27<Ablac>Let me post it.
20:27<Ablac>one sec.
20:27<rainfyre>Ablac: you're wanting to remove both of those, right?
20:27<Ablac>and get OpenJDK7
20:28<rainfyre>I believe it's safe to run 'aptitude remove sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre' then
20:28<Pyker>"Setting up oracle-java7-installer (7u9-0~webupd8~1) ..." interesting...
20:28<rainfyre>but these gentlemen in here all have much more experience with this than I do
20:28<Ablac>Same error...
20:29<diplomatico>what do i put in terminal to get you info so i could post in a paste?
20:29<Pyker>Ablac: try apt-get remove sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre oracle-java7-installer
20:29<Pyker>for some reason it's trying to install oracle-java7-installer as well
20:29<Pyker>maybe previous admin borked up something
20:29<Ablac>Ah that worked :)
20:30<simonlnu>diplomatico: scroll up; use pgup, and look for people addressing you
20:30<Pyker>now it should be as easy as installing openjdk7-jre
20:30<Ablac>Java -version returns "-bash: /usr/bin/java: No such file or directory"
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20:30<diplomatico>i'm not quite understanding what is being asked of me, that's why i want to start again
20:30<diplomatico>but i'll keep checking
20:31<Ablac>Anyone know of a Debian Repo with OpenJDK7?
20:31<themill>diplomatico: you said you had "some errors" but never told us what caused the error or what the error was.
20:31<Pyker>Ablac: universe? lol. apt-get install openjdk7-jre
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20:32<Ablac>E: Unable to locate package openjdk7-jre
20:32<abrotman>Pyker: this isn't Ubuntu
20:32<rainfyre>hence the lol
20:32<themill>Ablac: openjdk7 is not available for squeeze.
20:32<rainfyre>probably why it failed to install
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20:32<diplomatico>well at this point, the errors that i was getting was probably because i didn't know what i was doing
20:32<Ablac>What about Standard Java?
20:33<Pyker>uh... yeh...
20:33<Pyker>Oracle revoked Debian's license to distribute Oracle Java
20:33<Pyker>so they don't really have it anymore
20:33<diplomatico>i did want to install the video drivers and after someone on here started helping me, my attention was turned to updating the kernel
20:33<diplomatico>honestly, i don't even know where to start
20:34<Ichabod>dpkg: tell diplomatico about nvidia
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20:35<Ablac>What i found online is to add the repo "deb wheezy main"
20:35<Ablac>To get OpenJDK7 for Squeeze
20:35<abrotman>you really think he didn't add that PPA line now ?
20:35<Pyker>maybe he did
20:35<Ablac>I dont know how to add it :/
20:35<Ablac>Just found that online
20:35<abrotman>Ablac: please hire an admin before you destroy your system
20:36<Pyker>Ablac: that source you had seems to provide Oracle Java 7
20:36<diplomatico>okay, i went to that wiki and tried some of that and wasn't understanding what i was needing to do
20:36<diplomatico>what should i try first?
20:36<Pyker>through the package oracle-java7-installer
20:36<Pyker>so you might want to try that then
20:36<Ablac>I will try that
20:36<Ichabod>diplomatico: you should learn reading skills
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20:38<Pyker>what is it?
20:39<Ablac>Didnt work
20:39<diplomatico>..... i tried some linux and had deb for a couple of days, what do u expect
20:39<Pyker>could you show us the error?
20:39<Ablac>that dont help haha
20:39<Ichabod>diplomatico: that you have a basic understanding of the english language
20:40<Ablac>one sec.
20:40<Pyker>indeed Ablac
20:40<Ablac>That ones better
20:40<Ichabod>saying: I tried some of it, but I dont understand isnt helping nybody
20:40<Ichabod>what did you try
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20:41<Ablac>Lols Pyker :P Ur in both IRC's with me lolz
20:41<diplomatico>okay, you're being way off-base there. i needed help with installing it not to point out that there were directions to do it
20:42<Ichabod>diplomatico: on the wiki: go to the non-free section
20:42<Ichabod>there is a installation section
20:42<Ichabod>read it
20:42<Ichabod>follow it
20:42<diplomatico>right but from advice from this room, i shouldn't be installing vid drivers until i update the kernel
20:43<Ichabod>alright fuck it
20:43<rainfyre>diplomatico: do you know why you want to update your kernel?
20:43<Pyker>Ablac: install ca-certificates and then try to install oracle-java7-installer again
20:43<Ichabod>you're not listening to me
20:43<rainfyre>Ichabod: language
20:43<Ichabod>diplomatico: you wont get help from me
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20:44<Ablac>That time it worked.
20:44<Pyker>apparently your system didn't have the root SSL certificates :P
20:44<Ablac>java version "1.7.0_09"
20:44<bkkid>hello, anybody got xen 4.2 working on debian squeeze ?
20:44<Pyker>Ablac: yes, that's the latest Java
20:45<Ablac>That wasn't a Pain at all
20:46<rainfyre>Ablac: debian is pretty easy to work with
20:46<bkkid>it's ok fyre
20:46<rainfyre>bkkid: I like it
20:46<Ablac>I will admit
20:46<Ablac>its easier then CentOS
20:47<Ablac>My old server ran Minimal CentOS
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20:47<Ablac>Which was a Pain
20:47<bkkid>have you used xen in debian fyre ?
20:47<bkkid>i think it is easier too
20:47<diplomatico>why do i want to update my kernel?
20:47<bkkid>but more support for centos though
20:48<rainfyre>bkkid: I have not
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20:49<bkkid>any other debian channels ?
20:50<bkkid>let me do a search on google
20:51<Ichabod>bkkid: Im running xen, but no idea on the version
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20:52<bkkid>do you use xl or xm ?
20:52<bkkid>i run xen too, but version 4.0
20:52<bkkid>i need to setup 4.2
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20:54<Ablac>Got another question
20:54<Ichabod>aha, Im on 4.0 indeed
20:54<Ichabod>and I use xm
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20:55<Ablac>My host gave me IPv6 Addresses 2a01:4f8:162:6024::2 to 2a01:4f8:162:6024:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff
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20:55<Ablac>But not sure how to install that on the server?
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20:55<Ablac>The way they said to do it dosnt work lolz
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20:56<Ablac>root@Debian-60-squeeze-64-minimal ~ # ip route add default via fe80::1 dev eth0
20:56<Ablac>RTNETLINK answers: No such device
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20:57<Pyker>paste ipconfig eth0 and censor out the IP if you want
20:58<Ablac>How i get to that ;'(
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20:58<Pyker>you just run "ipconfig eth0"
20:58<Ablac>root@Debian-60-squeeze-64-minimal ~ # ipconfig eth0
20:58<Ablac>-bash: ipconfig: command not found
20:58<Pyker>my bad, ifconfig eth0
20:58<Pyker>I tend to mix them for some reason
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21:00<Ablac>Pyker your prob on a Windows machine ;P
21:01<Ablac>and CMD -> IpConfig
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21:03<Ablac>I also have Webmin Installed if that helps at all.
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21:29<Grizlybare>awful quiet
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21:34<diplomatico>just wanted to say thanks to those who tried to help, ichabod, you too
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21:34<diplomatico>i got my drivers up and going, for some reasons when i tried the first few times it wasn't working
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21:51<bkkid>xen 4.2 on debian squeeze, anyone tried that ?
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22:03<dvs>Well what?
22:03<dvs>(That wasn't five minutes just now0
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22:25<cindy>hy :)
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22:28<abrotman>you can msg hte bot
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23:55<Ablac>So got an issue, we rebooted the server, and when it rebooted Debian Failed to boot SSH, the host setup a Remote Console Viewer and its running my Minecraft Server and we cant get it to stop... any ideas?
23:56<Ablac>I dont want to have to reinstall Debian after I did the 37 Hour File Transfer...
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23:58<Ablac>How do i exit a Running Console Window and get to the main Console?
23:58<birch>ablac, it's late for some and there is bad weather for a large area of the usa, so you may not get a response soon
23:59<Ablac>FML I guess im gana do a reinstall...
23:59<birch>how long can it wait?
23:59<Ablac>We have 13 Days to transfer 200GB of data or were charged $450
23:59<Ablac>Well 12 Days now.
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