| --- | Log | opened Mon Oct 29 00:00:25 2012 |
| --- | Day | changed Mon Oct 29 2012 |
| 00:00 | <Ablac> | We finished 30 GB of the transfer this morning... |
| 00:00 | <Ablac> | and now the servers completely unaccessable |
| 00:01 | <birch> | :-\ |
| 00:01 | <Ablac> | I think im gana ditch Debian also |
| 00:01 | <birch> | oh? |
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| 00:01 | <Ablac> | Its causing more trouble then its worth... |
| 00:02 | <Ablac> | gana go back to CentOS |
| 00:02 | <birch> | ah |
| 00:02 | <Ablac> | never had the SSH not boot on CentOS... |
| 00:02 | <Ablac> | Ive had everything else fail to boot on CentOS but the ssh always booted |
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| 00:03 | <Ablac> | UGH |
| 00:03 | <Ablac> | Well now the Host just notified me that there done cause its a Software issue... |
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| 00:04 | <Ablac> | Oh got an idea. |
| 00:04 | <birch> | well it's a predicament, but if i switched os because of one glitch i'd never settle down anywhere |
| 00:04 | <birch> | sometimes you just have to stick it out |
| 00:04 | <Ablac> | We cant afford to |
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| 00:05 | <birch> | that would complicate matters |
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| 00:07 | <Ablac__> | Ok im back. |
| 00:07 | <Ablac__> | that was weird... |
| 00:07 | <Ablac__> | theres 3 of me :/ |
| 00:08 | <birch> | having an identity crisis? |
| 00:08 | <Ablac__> | Ya... |
| 00:08 | <birch> | haha..haha.ha |
| 00:08 | <Ablac__> | I have one last idea |
| 00:08 | <Ablac__> | The minecraft server thats running I use the Recovery SSH I might be able to delete the boot script and stop it from booting |
| 00:09 | <Ablac__> | OMG new Fav Song ;P |
| 00:10 | <Ablac__> | Ice Cream by Hyuna |
| 00:10 | <birch> | lol |
| 00:10 | <Ablac__> | I love Hyuna though |
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| 00:10 | <birch> | never heard but it was the first video on youtube when i was testing flash so i heard it a few times |
| 00:11 | -!- | Ablac__ was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood] |
| 00:11 | <birch> | lol |
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| 00:14 | <Ablac> | Really |
| 00:14 | <Ablac> | it kicked me for Spamming :/ |
| 00:14 | <Ablac> | Can i post youtube links? |
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| 00:17 | <cgraf> | start typing things all on one sentence/line. and honestly, no one here wants to watch youtube links. we are all academics and professionals mostly |
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| 00:17 | <cgraf> | think of it like talking in a library. perhaps asking where a book is from time to time |
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| 00:17 | <Ablac> | UGh |
| 00:17 | <cgraf> | and dont making annopying sounds like ugh and lol |
| 00:18 | <cgraf> | !lol |
| 00:18 | <dpkg> | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 00:18 | <Ablac> | U dun know what im going though... |
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| 00:20 | <birch> | i think that at some point we have all had a similar experience involving software not working |
| 00:20 | <Ablac> | How do i display the Contents of a folder? |
| 00:21 | <cgraf> | Ablac: you need to learn basic command line skills for linux |
| 00:21 | <cgraf> | the command is ls -la |
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| 00:21 | <Ablac> | Thats incorrect |
| 00:22 | <Ablac> | that displays perms |
| 00:22 | <cgraf> | and it shows the files |
| 00:22 | <cgraf> | ls if you want to not list the psermissions and dotfiles |
| 00:23 | <Ablac> | UGH |
| 00:23 | <cgraf> | not incorrect. you are really pretty noob |
| 00:24 | <Ablac> | there recovery dosnt show the files in my /home directory... |
| 00:24 | <Ablac> | Im pissed |
| 00:24 | <Ablac> | Debian didnt boot SSH and now i cant get it to boot... |
| 00:24 | <cgraf> | you should at least do an online study like this one http://linuxcommand.org/ |
| 00:25 | <Ablac> | I dun have time... |
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| 00:25 | <Ablac> | IM either Going to get an answer in the next few min or Reinstall |
| 00:25 | <birch> | if you have physical access to the machine, can you simply reinstall ssh instead of a full system install? |
| 00:25 | <cgraf> | Ablac: you need all of your time for playing minecraft... |
| 00:25 | <cgraf> | i get it... |
| 00:25 | <Ablac> | No |
| 00:25 | <Ablac> | In 12 Days |
| 00:25 | <cgraf> | one line Ablac , all on one line |
| 00:25 | <Ablac> | Im getting charged 450$ unless i can finish this 200GB transfer |
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| 00:26 | <cgraf> | well, goes to show you need to learn some irc etiquette. really fast |
| 00:27 | <birch> | desperation tends to erode etiquette |
| 00:27 | <Ablac> | ^ |
| 00:27 | <Ablac> | Ya and I dont want to have to pay another 500$... |
| 00:27 | <cgraf> | now, you are in a room with some of the most knowledgable people in the world in this feild. why dont you stfu up and restate your question inteligently |
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| 00:28 | <Ablac> | How do i enable SSH, without Console Access, or Direct Access to the server. |
| 00:29 | <Ablac> | Thats my issue. |
| 00:29 | <cgraf> | to make adjustements to ssh default behaviour, edit the file /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 00:29 | <Ablac> | Cant |
| 00:29 | <Ablac> | SSH is down |
| 00:29 | <Ablac> | so i can SFTP |
| 00:30 | <cgraf> | yuo need to either restart ssh, or you need to restart the machine that runs it |
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| 00:30 | <Ablac> | Tried. |
| 00:30 | <cgraf> | if you have no access. as you say. then yuo cant |
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| 00:30 | <Ablac> | We have the Control Panel the Host supplys |
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| 00:30 | <Ablac> | which is basic, Recovery, Reinstall, Reboot ECT |
| 00:30 | <cgraf> | from what minecraft? |
| 00:30 | <Ablac> | no |
| 00:30 | <Ablac> | Debian |
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| 00:31 | -!- | erm is now known as holoturoide |
| 00:31 | <Ablac> | Its Robot as Hetzner calls it |
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| 00:31 | <cgraf> | well then reboot |
| 00:31 | <Ablac> | We did |
| 00:31 | <cgraf> | ssh will start back up |
| 00:31 | <Ablac> | nope |
| 00:31 | <Ablac> | The host already gave up |
| 00:31 | <cgraf> | ok well then its not installed properly |
| 00:31 | <Ablac> | and told us were screwed... |
| 00:31 | <Ablac> | The host said its stuck in a Script thats locking the console |
| 00:32 | <Ablac> | And that script happens to be... a MC server :/ |
| 00:32 | <birch> | i think his situation is this: He has a hosted server somewhere with a debian install with malfunctioning ssh. All he has access to is the host's cpanel. If he can't get ssh back on for the debian install then he has to reinstall, in which case he will ditch debian for centos because they have a stiff deadline with a huge cost for missing it. |
| 00:33 | <Ablac> | Nice Summary |
| 00:33 | <cgraf> | ok, he should use what works for him |
| 00:33 | <Ablac> | Our old dedicated used CentOS |
| 00:33 | <cgraf> | ditch debian if you have to, yuo are a pain. and arent doing any research |
| 00:33 | <Ablac> | ... |
| 00:33 | <cgraf> | google uses debian. but if centos is what works for you. i thkn you should use it |
| 00:34 | <Ablac> | I would love to use Debian |
| 00:34 | <Ablac> | but were kinda stuck |
| 00:34 | <cgraf> | you should. its easy |
| 00:34 | <shweppsie> | Did you add your minecraft server to rc.local? |
| 00:34 | <cgraf> | just reinstall it. it only takes 15 minutes |
| 00:34 | <Ablac> | Its not the reinstall im worried about |
| 00:34 | <cgraf> | and ssh works out of box on debian perfectly |
| 00:34 | <Ablac> | its the 40 GB of the 200GB transfer we've already done :/ |
| 00:35 | <nomprover> | Shouldn't we first ask him what the other options in the control panel do, such as the 'Recovery' option he mentioned? |
| 00:35 | <birch> | cgraf, i don't really know if your belligerent attitude is helpful to the debian community if you're going to actively drive away a user. |
| 00:35 | <Ablac> | The Recovery im currently in |
| 00:35 | <cgraf> | you ever think that maybe yuo cant ssh in because of the transfer |
| 00:35 | <Ablac> | It basicly setups a Remote Console |
| 00:35 | <Ablac> | But |
| 00:35 | <Ablac> | as i found it... |
| 00:35 | <Ablac> | its not actually connected to my server ;/ |
| 00:35 | <Ablac> | None of the files are there and when i booted SSH it didnt work |
| 00:36 | <birch> | define not work |
| 00:36 | <Ablac> | In the console it says the service started |
| 00:36 | <Ablac> | but |
| 00:36 | <Ablac> | when i try to login to the SSH on my PC |
| 00:36 | <Ablac> | It says otherwise |
| 00:36 | <birch> | define otherwise |
| 00:36 | <shweppsie> | Ablac: the exact error is required |
| 00:37 | <birch> | we need specifics |
| 00:37 | <birch> | actual error output |
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| 00:37 | <Ablac> | Error: Could not connect to server |
| 00:37 | <Ablac> | And in the Recovery Console it says SSH is running |
| 00:37 | <Ablac> | Hmm |
| 00:37 | <shweppsie> | Can you ping the server? |
| 00:38 | <Ablac> | but running ifconfig shows my server |
| 00:38 | <Ablac> | yep |
| 00:39 | <nomprover> | Check sshd logs to see if connection attempts are getting through? |
| 00:39 | <birch> | have you tried narrowing down the issue by: checking permission settings, ownership settings, etc |
| 00:39 | <Ablac> | The current issue |
| 00:39 | <Ablac> | is the minecraft server which is located /home/test/craftbukkit.jar |
| 00:39 | <Ablac> | is running at start |
| 00:39 | <Ablac> | and blocking the console |
| 00:40 | <shweppsie> | did you add it to rc.local? |
| 00:40 | <Ablac> | When we manually exit it it just reboots |
| 00:40 | <Ablac> | not that i know of |
| 00:40 | <Ablac> | how can i check that? |
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| 00:40 | <shweppsie> | How did you make it run on boot? |
| 00:40 | <Ablac> | Thats the funny part |
| 00:40 | <Ablac> | We have webmin installed |
| 00:40 | <Ablac> | and according to webmin |
| 00:40 | <Ablac> | it was set to not run |
| 00:41 | <Ablac> | And no |
| 00:41 | <Ablac> | Webmin and SSH are both down |
| 00:41 | <Ablac> | and its running :/ |
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| 00:42 | <Ablac> | I could sort this if i could get into webmin :/ but the recovery cant boot webmin |
| 00:42 | <scientes> | !webmin |
| 00:42 | <dpkg> | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 00:42 | <birch> | Ablac, #locate rc.local # cat /path/to/rc.local |
| 00:42 | <shweppsie> | the recovery is intentionally a minimal boot to help you fix things. |
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| 00:43 | <birch> | it should be /etc/rc.local but there is also /etc/init.d/rc.local and some others |
| 00:43 | <Ablac> | ya |
| 00:43 | <Ablac> | i did a whereis |
| 00:43 | <nomprover> | Try Alt+F2 to see if you can switch to a different virtual console (if you can send such keystrokes through the console interface). |
| 00:44 | <Ablac> | http://pastie.org/5130651 |
| 00:45 | <aranax_> | somebody knows if is something wrong with glibc? |
| 00:45 | <birch> | nothing jumps out at me from that file |
| 00:46 | <Ablac> | I can try the Alf+F2 thing once i exit Rescue |
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| 00:47 | <Ablac> | Not sure 100% how this thing works, but the host just setup a remote console. |
| 00:47 | <Ablac> | maybe that will help :) |
| 00:47 | <Ablac> | The request just went through |
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| 00:49 | <shweppsie> | You need to work out how your minecraft server is running on boot. That is likely what is blocking the machine from booting. |
| 00:50 | <Ablac> | Is there some command |
| 00:50 | <Ablac> | to exit a Virtual Console |
| 00:50 | <Ablac> | cause Alt F2 didnt wor |
| 00:51 | <Ablac> | Oh. |
| 00:51 | <Ablac> | Interesting |
| 00:51 | <Ablac> | That time AltF2 worked but its a Completely Blank console... cant type anything |
| 00:51 | <shweppsie> | Ablac: You don't need to say things such as "Oh" and "Interesting". Just state the facts. |
| 00:52 | <nomprover> | Alt+F3 through to Alt+F6? |
| 00:52 | <shweppsie> | Didn't he have a working console already? |
| 00:52 | <Ablac> | F1 is the MC server thats screwing everything up |
| 00:52 | <Ablac> | F2+ are just blank |
| 00:52 | <Ablac> | I cant type in them |
| 00:54 | <Ablac> | Anyone have Teamviewer? |
| 00:54 | <shweppsie> | grep -r '/home/test/craftbukkit.jar' /etc/ |
| 00:55 | <Ablac> | one sec just got kicked out of the console. |
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| 00:57 | <Ablac> | Anyone here have Teamviewer? |
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| 00:57 | <Ablac> | sheppsie i am unable to do that command. |
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| 00:58 | <shweppsie> | Why? What happens? |
| 00:58 | <nomprover> | Your minecraft console allows you to run system commands? |
| 00:58 | <Ablac> | Nothing :/ It wont let me type, and when i type in the minecraft console it says unknown command |
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| 00:58 | <Ablac> | Well it wont let me type in the other 11 virtual consoles |
| 00:58 | <shweppsie> | I'm asking you to type this into the recovery console |
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| 00:58 | <Ablac> | Oh it wont work |
| 00:59 | <Ablac> | Cause it dosnt read the /home directory |
| 00:59 | <shweppsie> | That command doesn't read the home directory. |
| 00:59 | <Ablac> | those files arnt there according to the recovery console |
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| 01:00 | -!- | andi is now known as Guest3512 |
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| 01:02 | <nomprover> | What sort of commands /can/ you type in the minecraft console? |
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| 01:04 | <Ablac> | shweppsie http://pastie.org/5130682 |
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| 01:04 | <Ablac> | It takes awhile for it to boot into the Rescue Console |
| 01:05 | <shweppsie> | Ablac: What happens if you type "stop" into the minecraft console? |
| 01:05 | <Ablac> | it shutsdown and them reboots due to RemoteToolkit so i type .stopwrapper and it shutsdown and restarts again |
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| 01:06 | <Ablac> | which is really interesting |
| 01:06 | <Ablac> | usually when you .stopwrapper is shutsdown competely and frees the console |
| 01:07 | <Ablac> | hmm |
| 01:07 | <Ablac> | that makes me wonder. |
| 01:07 | <Ablac> | If the Telnet is up i mgiht be able to stop it |
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| 01:08 | <Ablac> | Nope telnet isnt up. |
| 01:09 | <Ablac> | Hmm... |
| 01:10 | <Ablac> | Think im just gana do a reinstall :/ |
| 01:10 | <shweppsie> | This is information that would have helped earlier. So you have a program called "RemoteToolkit" that runs minecraft. |
| 01:10 | <Ablac> | ya. |
| 01:10 | <Ablac> | Sorry |
| 01:11 | <Ablac> | It actually runs all 6 servers :/ But only the one is booting thats causing the issue |
| 01:11 | <shweppsie> | How did you set this up? |
| 01:11 | <Ablac> | Which part? |
| 01:12 | <Ablac> | Each of the 6 servers has there own Ip |
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| 01:12 | <Ablac> | but webmin boots Rootkit which boots Craftbukkit.jar |
| 01:12 | <shweppsie> | I meant how did you set up the server. (i.e. set things to run on boot) |
| 01:13 | <Ablac> | Webmin |
| 01:13 | <Ablac> | which isnt booting either. |
| 01:13 | <Ablac> | And the interesting part is the server thats causing the issue is a test server that isnt suppost to boot unless manually told to... |
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| 01:14 | <shweppsie> | /etc/init.d/webmin stop |
| 01:14 | <Ablac> | When webmin was working this server thats booted was set to not boot. |
| 01:14 | <shweppsie> | does that do anything? |
| 01:14 | <Ablac> | Let me try. |
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| 01:15 | <Ablac> | -bash: /etc/init.d/webmin: No such file or directory |
| 01:16 | <bones_was_here> | !webmin |
| 01:16 | <dpkg> | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 01:17 | <nomprover> | Does the kill command work? |
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| 01:17 | <Ablac> | Says it dosnt exist |
| 01:17 | <fixer> | gentlemen I have an issue |
| 01:17 | <shweppsie> | That was my next suggestion. |
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| 01:17 | <shweppsie> | ps aux | grep webmin |
| 01:17 | <fixer> | why is it when I try to remove this bluetooth stuff it tries to completely remove gnome? |
| 01:17 | <birch> | hahaha |
| 01:17 | <birch> | great entrance |
| 01:17 | <birch> | and lovely question |
| 01:17 | <Ablac> | root 2929 0.0 0.0 3920 748 pts/1 S+ 06:17 0:00 grep webmin |
| 01:17 | <fixer> | I do not have a bluetooth device nor do I need this chewing up memory |
| 01:17 | <birch> | welcome to the channel, fixer |
| 01:18 | <fixer> | ya |
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| 01:18 | <bones_was_here> | fixer: if you don't want your memory chewed up by unnecessary things, try a lighter DE - gnome depends on all sorts of optional extras |
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| 01:18 | <nomprover> | If it tries to remove gnome-core or gnome or gnome-desktop-environment, don't worry about remove any of those packages |
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| 01:18 | <fixer> | If your telling me that gnome-desktop-environment cannot function without bluetooth im going to slap you |
| 01:18 | <shweppsie> | Ablac: ps aux | grep craftbukkit |
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| 01:19 | <nomprover> | !tell fixer about metapackage |
| 01:19 | <Ablac> | root 2989 0.0 0.0 3920 748 pts/1 S+ 06:19 0:00 grep craftbukkit |
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| 01:19 | <fixer> | lol |
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| 01:20 | <fixer> | Im not going to let apt-get remove over 1gb of essential package, including gnome-desktop just to remove this sill ybluetooth crap |
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| 01:20 | <fixer> | I only want the bluetooth stuff gone |
| 01:20 | <shweppsie> | Ablac: I thought that was the program that was running in your terminal? I'm guessing the rescue shell is not on the same machine? |
| 01:20 | <Ablac> | ya |
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| 01:20 | <Ablac> | Rescue is a Remote Console |
| 01:20 | <Ablac> | rescue* |
| 01:21 | <nomprover> | If it's trying to remove over 1GB of packages, then something's not right |
| 01:21 | <shweppsie> | At this point I'm convinced that without a sudden jump in knowledge of the problem I'm not going to be any help. |
| 01:21 | <nomprover> | What command did you run to remove bluteooth? |
| 01:21 | <fixer> | root@galileo:/etc/init.d# mv bluetooth blueshit problem solved |
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| 01:21 | <Ablac> | shweppsie do you have Teamviewer? |
| 01:22 | <shweppsie> | Ablac: No. And I have no intention of using it. |
| 01:22 | <Ablac> | k. |
| 01:22 | <Ablac> | I was gana say it would be easier for you to understand if you could see it first hadn. |
| 01:22 | <Ablac> | hand* |
| 01:22 | <fixer> | apt-get remove bluetooth |
| 01:22 | <shweppsie> | Ablac: I'm not tech support. You have to fix the problem. I'm providing advice. |
| 01:22 | <fixer> | then proceeds to try and dismantle gnome- |
| 01:23 | <Ablac> | ya... i guess im doing a reinstall. |
| 01:23 | <Ablac> | Whats the Difference between Debian LAMP and minimal |
| 01:23 | <nomprover> | Where do you see that choice? |
| 01:23 | <shweppsie> | Ablac: Some advice. Don't use webmin. Learn to use the features provided within debian. |
| 01:24 | <Ablac> | nomprover if your talking to me its one of the Debian Installs i can choose from. |
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| 01:25 | <nomprover> | Go with minimal, and install stuff you need yourself. |
| 01:25 | <Ablac> | Is there a Better Control Panel i can use? |
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| 01:26 | <nomprover> | LAMP = linux apache mysql php. All of these can be installed using apt-get. |
| 01:26 | <shweppsie> | Control Panel? Just get a basic debian install and do everything from there. |
| 01:27 | <Ablac> | I think its reinstalling now |
| 01:28 | <fixer> | dont give me that metapackage poppycock, Ive been through this allready, it completely removes gnome when I try to remove this bluetooth garbage |
| 01:28 | <birch> | haha fixer |
| 01:28 | <birch> | i remember when i had that problem |
| 01:29 | <fixer> | orly |
| 01:29 | <birch> | i just gave up and accepted the battery drain |
| 01:29 | <fixer> | no |
| 01:29 | <birch> | wasn't worth the anguish |
| 01:29 | <fixer> | I will disable it |
| 01:29 | <fixer> | root@galileo:/etc/init.d# mv bluetooth blueshit problem solved |
| 01:29 | <fixer> | wont be seeing that startup again :P |
| 01:33 | <fixer> | Well I dont know who the asshole is who made the decision to have gnome-desktop removed when someoen tries to uninstall bluetooth, but clearly they are a moron |
| 01:33 | <fixer> | Hope they fix this in the next stable release |
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| 01:34 | <birch> | i doubt anyone on that level of authority cares |
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| 01:34 | <fixer> | I mean srsly, I dont have any bluetooth in my machine, I dont want or need a failed ass bluetooth daemon on my machine |
| 01:34 | <fixer> | gobbling up ram and leaving errors in my log files |
| 01:34 | <birch> | it's relatively annoying to the user who wants to tweak their system and doesn't like the result |
| 01:35 | <Ablac> | :'( |
| 01:35 | <Ablac> | This aint good... |
| 01:35 | <birch> | but on that level of authority, those people aren't necessarily thinking the same way |
| 01:35 | <fixer> | An asshole is an asshole |
| 01:35 | <Ablac> | The hosts got to manually do the reinstall... cause the Automatic Reinstall failed... |
| 01:36 | <birch> | if you want to make a difference, complaining in this channel isn't going to get it removed from the system, you have to introduce that idea elsewhere |
| 01:36 | <birch> | so if you really care, you should do so |
| 01:36 | <fixer> | noahfx, but insulting the person whos responsible makes me feel better |
| 01:36 | <birch> | but otherwise, complaining to us won't get it removed |
| 01:37 | <Ablac> | There it goes now its installing :) |
| 01:37 | <Ablac> | Lolz CPU 0 - 11 |
| 01:37 | <fixer> | mmm |
| 01:37 | <shweppsie> | Ablac: We don't need a running dialogue. Just tell us when you have an issue that you would like help with. |
| 01:37 | <Ablac> | lol :p |
| 01:38 | <Ablac> | Wheres the fun in that shweppsie |
| 01:38 | <fixer> | the internet is srs biz |
| 01:38 | <shweppsie> | #debian-offtopic exists for chit chat. |
| 01:38 | <fixer> | no dialogue |
| 01:38 | <noahfx> | fixer: what? xD |
| 01:38 | <birch> | shweppsie, don't you enjoy reading their problem fold out? this is like the digital equivalent of listening to a soap on the radio |
| 01:38 | <fixer> | no noahfx , accidental tab press |
| 01:39 | <noahfx> | ok |
| 01:39 | <fixer> | sorry |
| 01:39 | <noahfx> | no problem :) |
| 01:39 | <Ablac> | Anyone know a Debian Repo i can use to get either Java7 or OpenJDK7? |
| 01:40 | <noahfx> | Ablac: unsatble I guess |
| 01:40 | <Ablac> | ? |
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| 01:41 | <noahfx> | Ablac: in the unstable repos you can find OpenJDK7 |
| 01:42 | <noahfx> | openjdk-7-jdk is the exact name of the package |
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| 01:42 | <noahfx> | http://packages.debian.org/sid/openjdk-7-jdk |
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| 01:52 | <Ablac> | ... |
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| 01:54 | <Ablac> | Gah, I give up on getting the reop... im just gana do a wget lolz |
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| 01:56 | <nomprover_> | Ablac, what error are you getting? |
| 01:56 | <Ablac> | None just couldn't figure out the repo... Im a noob with Linux. |
| 01:57 | <nomprover_> | pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:57 | <Ablac> | http://pastie.org/5130839 |
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| 01:58 | <Ablac> | Its a Fresh install |
| 01:59 | <Ablac> | nomprover_ ? |
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| 02:01 | <nomprover_> | Sorry |
| 02:01 | <nomprover_> | Those lines seem fine, but they're different from mine |
| 02:02 | <Ablac> | I havent added anything |
| 02:02 | <Ablac> | its just the standard repos |
| 02:02 | <nomprover_> | Run 'apt-get update' to update the package list |
| 02:02 | <Ablac> | ya it dosnt have OpenJDK7 |
| 02:03 | <Ablac> | W: Failed to fetch http://backports.debian.osrg/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'backports.debian.osrg' |
| 02:03 | <Ablac> | W: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 02:03 | <Ablac> | lols |
| 02:03 | <Ablac> | theres a random s in org |
| 02:03 | <jm_> | backports.debian.osrg would most definitely not be OK |
| 02:04 | <jm_> | plus, openjdk-7-jdk is not there either |
| 02:04 | <Ablac> | W: Failed to fetch http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-ba ckports/Release Unable to find expected entry non-frees/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 02:04 | <Ablac> | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 02:05 | <retrospectacus> | it's non-free not non-frees |
| 02:05 | <Ablac> | OMG |
| 02:05 | <Ablac> | it added random S's |
| 02:06 | <Ablac> | Thats better |
| 02:06 | <Ablac> | no error that time |
| 02:06 | <Ablac> | ya none of those repos have OpenJDK7 |
| 02:06 | <Ablac> | they only have 6 |
| 02:07 | <nomprover_> | noahfx said 7 is in unstable. You are running stable |
| 02:07 | <Ablac> | What ever comes when its installed :/ |
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| 02:07 | <Ablac> | I just reinstalled debian about 10 min ago |
| 02:07 | <Ablac> | its a Minimal Install |
| 02:08 | <retrospectacus> | !tell Ablac about java |
| 02:08 | <Ablac> | lol |
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| 02:09 | <Ablac> | What i cant figure out |
| 02:09 | <Ablac> | is how to install the Unstable Repo... |
| 02:09 | <noahfx> | Ablac: there are 4 branches of Debian |
| 02:10 | <retrospectacus> | you mean upgrade to unstable? |
| 02:10 | <noahfx> | stable, testing, unstable, experimental |
| 02:10 | <noahfx> | as I see you've installed stable |
| 02:10 | <Ablac> | oh |
| 02:10 | <noahfx> | you must change all the repos in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:10 | <retrospectacus> | !tell Ablac about squeeze->wheezy |
| 02:10 | <noahfx> | to the unstable repos or sid , that is it's codename |
| 02:11 | <noahfx> | and then upgrade all the system to avoid problems with dependencies |
| 02:11 | <Ablac> | Im assuming i would change the world Squeeze to Wheezy in the repo? |
| 02:11 | <Ablac> | words* |
| 02:12 | <noahfx> | Ablac: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
| 02:12 | <retrospectacus> | Ablac: read what the robot told you |
| 02:12 | <Ablac> | The Robutt is confusing |
| 02:13 | <noahfx> | Ablac: I rather use testing, unstable, stable words than their codenames |
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| 02:13 | <noahfx> | Ablac: read the link above ;) |
| 02:14 | <Ablac> | ya... |
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| 02:18 | <Ablac> | UGh |
| 02:18 | <Ablac> | This is rediculous... |
| 02:18 | <nomprover_> | Which part? |
| 02:18 | <Ablac> | All of it |
| 02:18 | <Ablac> | lolz |
| 02:18 | <Ablac> | On the old install i somehow had a Ubuntu Repo |
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| 02:18 | <Ablac> | which had OpenJDK7 |
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| 02:19 | <nomprover_> | Mixing repos from different distributions is a very bad idea |
| 02:19 | <Ablac> | I'm not even sure how it got there |
| 02:20 | <Ablac> | it wasnt until i joined this IRC i learned it was an ubuntu repo |
| 02:20 | <nomprover_> | I'm tempted to ask you to do this: cat "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y |
| 02:20 | <noahfx> | Ablac: xD |
| 02:21 | <nomprover_> | Perhaps someone more knowledgeable could point out the flaws with it, but I did that on a freshly installed system a month ago & it worked fine. |
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| 02:22 | <Ablac> | ... |
| 02:22 | <retrospectacus> | nomprover_: well it upgrades your PC to sid |
| 02:22 | <retrospectacus> | !sid |
| 02:22 | <dpkg> | well, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 02:22 | <Ablac> | No such file or directory |
| 02:23 | <nomprover_> | Then you can do 'apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk' to install openjdk |
| 02:23 | <Ablac> | Why are there 2 of me... |
| 02:23 | <nomprover_> | I've run sid for months, though not as my primary system, without serious trouble. |
| 02:24 | <Ablac> | Ya i dont think i wana run something that could have issues... |
| 02:24 | <Ablac> | Im running 6 24/7 MC servers on this box |
| 02:25 | <Ablac> | Lol |
| 02:25 | <nomprover_> | Then replace 'unstable' with 'testing' in that command above. |
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| 02:26 | <Ablac> | about that command... cat "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y do i type that entire thing? |
| 02:26 | <Ablac> | but with testing instead of unstable |
| 02:27 | <retrospectacus> | !testing |
| 02:27 | <dpkg> | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 02:27 | <retrospectacus> | and it'd be echo, not cat |
| 02:27 | <Ablac> | Or On Servers. |
| 02:28 | <Ablac> | Thats the part that scares me lolz |
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| 02:28 | <bones_was_here> | webmin is much scarier than sid |
| 02:28 | <retrospectacus> | if you are even a little bit confused or apprehensive, you should definitely stick with stable |
| 02:29 | <retrospectacus> | why do you "need" ojdk7 |
| 02:29 | <Ablac> | 6 Minecraft Servers |
| 02:29 | <Ablac> | They require Java |
| 02:29 | <Ablac> | And OpenJDK usually runs alittle better |
| 02:29 | <Ablac> | then Orical Java |
| 02:30 | <Ablac> | Sorry had to piece together my though... |
| 02:30 | <bones_was_here> | minecraft used to work fine on java6, does it require 7 now? |
| 02:30 | <Ablac> | My plugins do |
| 02:30 | <Ablac> | Essentials, XInfo, XBP, and the entire install of Tekkit requires 7 |
| 02:33 | <retrospectacus> | your choice. If you do switch to wheezy see #debian-next for support |
| 02:33 | <nomprover_> | In my opinion, it's not as bad as it sounds. When I first started with debian, the fact that software in stable was _very_ old annoyed me. |
| 02:33 | <bones_was_here> | well i would suggest putting 'wheezy' in your sources.list instead of 'testing', when wheezy becomes stable your system will be upgraded to stable as you'd expect |
| 02:33 | <bones_was_here> | but if you use 'testing', then when wheezy becomes stable your system will be upgraded to the new 'testing', which will effectively be 'unstable' at that point |
| 02:33 | * | retrospectacus goes to bed |
| 02:33 | <nomprover_> | ^ this |
| 02:34 | <Eremiell> | Java is still the same lazy beast nevermind which one you got (runing MC server myself). Since some time ago, I'm actually running wheezy on most of my machines and from my experience, doing a plain update/dist-upgrade from squeeze usually doesn't work so well. Always ended up reinstalling anyway, so I do that as standard procedure since. Don't froget to add squeeze repositories as well, as you'll easily find out, wheezy ones |
| 02:34 | <Eremiell> | are simply missing some packages. ;) |
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| 02:34 | <Ablac> | ima just do it this way... |
| 02:34 | <Ablac> | wget |
| 02:34 | <Ablac> | wget http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=69467 |
| 02:35 | <nomprover_> | I recommend against that |
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| 02:35 | <Ablac> | ... |
| 02:36 | <nomprover_> | apt-get is an excellent way to manage the software on your system. |
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| 02:37 | <nomprover_> | Is your system i386 or amd64? |
| 02:37 | <Ablac> | Utoh |
| 02:37 | <Ablac> | Well |
| 02:37 | <Ablac> | i guess im doing unstable |
| 02:38 | <Ablac> | 64Bit |
| 02:39 | <Ablac> | Thats the one thing i learned from hosting MC servers on various different OS's |
| 02:39 | <Ablac> | 32 Sucks |
| 02:39 | <nomprover_> | If you really want to wget, wget this: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openjdk-7/openjdk-7-jdk_7u3-2.1.2-2_amd64.deb |
| 02:39 | <Ablac> | to late |
| 02:39 | <Ablac> | already did the unstable |
| 02:39 | <Ablac> | and its running ATM |
| 02:39 | <nomprover_> | Which bit is running now? |
| 02:39 | <Ablac> | what ever that command did |
| 02:39 | <Ablac> | replacement stuff |
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| 02:40 | <nomprover_> | That was 3 commands, separated by && |
| 02:41 | <Ablac> | oh |
| 02:41 | <nomprover_> | Can you tell me what the last line displayed is? |
| 02:41 | <Ablac> | i coppied the entire thing and pasted it |
| 02:41 | <Ablac> | Unpacking Replacement Cpio ... |
| 02:41 | <nomprover_> | Oh. |
| 02:41 | <dennisthetiger> | What's the status of the 3.x kernel in Debian? |
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| 02:42 | <nomprover_> | ,versions linux-image |
| 02:42 | <judd> | No package named 'linux-image' was found in i386. |
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| 02:42 | <nomprover_> | ,versions linux-image-i386 |
| 02:42 | <Ablac> | judd |
| 02:42 | <judd> | No package named 'linux-image-i386' was found in i386. |
| 02:42 | <Ablac> | ,versions Pie |
| 02:42 | <judd> | No package named 'Pie' was found in i386. |
| 02:43 | <Ablac> | Unpacking Replacement gettext-base ... |
| 02:43 | <Ablac> | How come nobody here likes Webmin? |
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| 02:44 | <bones_was_here> | because it breaks the OS |
| 02:44 | <dennisthetiger> | !tell ablac about webmin |
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| 02:45 | <dennisthetiger> | Was a bug in it that broke Sarge, see the message I had dpkg give you. |
| 02:45 | <Ablac> | ya i read it |
| 02:45 | <Eremiell> | 3.x is doing fine in wheezy. squeeze still runs 2.6, if I'm not mistaken. |
| 02:46 | <Ablac> | Whats Free WHCP |
| 02:46 | <Ablac> | !tell ablac about Free whcp |
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| 02:46 | <dennisthetiger> | Eremiell: not seeing it in the repos. Backports or stable-> testing for the win? |
| 02:47 | <Eremiell> | As I said before, aside from several "have to be stable for any price" machines, I generally run testing. That one gets 3.x. |
| 02:47 | <dennisthetiger> | Ablac: One note, too, is that you can interact with dpkg without using the !tell command here in channel. In short, if you have something to search on dpkg, you can just type (for this case) 'free whcp' as a message to the bot. |
| 02:48 | <dennisthetiger> | Eremiell: Noted, that. I'll have to do an update in my Copius Free Time(TM) then. =D Thanks for the pointer. |
| 02:48 | <Ablac> | dennisthetiger is Webmin better now? with the 1.6.0.0 release? |
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| 02:49 | <bones_was_here> | but in general using those control panels means when you make a change, you don't know what actually happened on the system, and you don't know if that change is likely to get overwritten by the system package manager (or if the package manager's changes are being overwritten by the WHCP) |
| 02:49 | <dennisthetiger> | Ablac: No idea. I haven't used a web based control panel in years. |
| 02:49 | <Ablac> | oh. |
| 02:50 | <dennisthetiger> | OK, I'm out. Gnight. |
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| 02:50 | <Ablac> | omg |
| 02:50 | <Ablac> | this command is still goin |
| 02:50 | <nomprover> | Yes, it will take a while. Has it asked you any questions yet? |
| 02:50 | <Ablac> | only one |
| 02:51 | <nomprover> | What was it? |
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| 02:51 | <Ablac> | If i would like to allow it to reboot services |
| 02:51 | <Ablac> | Lolz |
| 02:51 | <bones_was_here> | in debian the default configuration files tend to be nicely commented and laid out so as to be easy to read and understand |
| 02:51 | <bones_was_here> | but control panels tend to overwrite the whole config file with just the bits it wanted, so the comments and settings that are commented out but there for you to see, are all lost |
| 02:51 | <Ablac> | BusyBox |
| 02:51 | <Ablac> | my Android Phone has BusyBox |
| 02:51 | <Ablac> | ROFL |
| 02:51 | <Ablac> | Sad |
| 02:51 | <Ablac> | that i can Root, and Install a new Kernal and Overclock my phone without problem... |
| 02:52 | <Ablac> | but installing java into debian OMG |
| 02:52 | <Eremiell> | Ablac: if you just let it update/dist-upgrade from stable to testing, it will go for quite some time and the result is still not assured. unfortunately. would love to say otherwise. |
| 02:52 | <bones_was_here> | yes, OMG, you may need to learn a few things or adjust your mindset if it's based on false premises ;) |
| 02:52 | <nomprover> | Are you familiar with virtual machines, Ablac? |
| 02:52 | <Ablac> | not on Linux |
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| 02:53 | <Ablac> | :o |
| 02:53 | <Ablac> | oh it said done |
| 02:53 | <Ablac> | and then kept going |
| 02:54 | <Ablac> | Love this server :P |
| 02:54 | <Ablac> | Utoh a question nomprover |
| 02:54 | <nomprover> | You'll need to pastebin the relevant lines for us to understand what you mean |
| 02:54 | <nomprover> | Ask away |
| 02:55 | <Ablac> | http://pastie.org/5131017 |
| 02:56 | <Ablac> | Not sure what to answer |
| 02:56 | <nomprover> | Do 'show side by side differences' and pastebin that |
| 02:56 | <Ablac> | Utoh... |
| 02:56 | <Ablac> | Thats not good |
| 02:57 | <Ablac> | Putty just flipped out |
| 02:57 | <Ablac> | its working again |
| 02:57 | <Ablac> | http://pastie.org/5131028 |
| 02:58 | <Ablac> | oh |
| 02:58 | <Ablac> | its bigger |
| 02:58 | <Ablac> | one sec. |
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| 02:59 | <nomprover> | Maybe side-by-side wasn't such a good idea. |
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| 03:13 | <Ablac> | This question poped up during the upgrade, and im not sure where to install Grub http://pastie.org/5131066 |
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| 03:24 | <Ablac> | Utoh... |
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| 04:17 | <shod> | Hello |
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| 04:19 | <shod> | I need you to help me. I'm looking for art ascii generator for debian. |
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| 04:22 | <perlwizard> | ascii generator? |
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| 04:26 | <jm_> | if you mean ascii art drawing etc., there are tools in the repository |
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| 05:26 | <stefan877> | hi, I have installed debian with debootstrap on an ARM board. Debian boots up to "Starting periodic command scheduler: cron.", but after this no login prompt appear. Why? |
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| 05:29 | <stefan877> | this is on init 2, on init 1 I'll get a root shell |
| 05:31 | <stefan877> | or runlevel 2 |
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| 05:32 | <niels> | is that over a serial line or using a monitor connected to the board? |
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| 05:34 | <stefan877> | niels: over serial line. when go to runlevel 1, and enter in console "init 2" this message appear: "INIT: Sending processes the KILL signatty_ldisc_hangup: waiting (init) for ttymxc2 took too long, but we keep waiting..." |
| 05:34 | <stefan877> | after this no interaction with the serial line is possible |
| 05:34 | <niels> | stefan877, well, have you set up a getty in inittab that listens on the serial line? |
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| 05:36 | <stefan877> | niels: no, I could try it |
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| 05:37 | <niels> | the virtual consoles are of no use when you only have a serial connection. the gettys will run, but you won't be able to see them |
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| 05:41 | <stefan877> | niels: should I use "vt100" for ttymxc2? |
| 05:42 | <shod> | perlwizar, yes! |
| 05:42 | <shod> | ascii generator |
| 05:42 | <stefan877> | at default there stands: "#T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100" |
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| 05:42 | <stefan877> | so I would change that to "#T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttymxc2 115200 vt100' |
| 05:42 | <stefan877> | is that correct? |
| 05:43 | <stefan877> | and delete the # |
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| 05:43 | <niels> | stefan877, i'm not sure, depends on the circumstances, i guess. just try it |
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| 05:44 | <niels> | stefan877, just make sure it's the correct serial device and the baud rate agrees with the one you're currently using |
| 05:44 | <niels> | stefan877, you may have to press enter before a login appears |
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| 05:50 | <stefan877> | niels: thank you, not wthere is a login prompt |
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| 05:50 | <stefan877> | without enter |
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| 05:51 | <niels> | you're welcome |
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| 05:52 | <niels> | you may remove or comment out the other 6 gettys for the virtual consoles, too, if you don't ever intend to connect a monitor to the board |
| 05:52 | <niels> | otherwise they're running in vain |
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| 05:53 | <niels> | or just comment out all but the first one of them, if there's a remote chance that you might connect a monitor at some point |
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| 05:57 | <stefan877> | niels: touch monitor should connected as next step. But I have to find out how to set some CPU-Registers: GP3_15 for LCD Power, GP3_16 for LCD-Data and High Level or PWM on GP1_26 |
| 05:59 | <niels> | i have no idea, sorry. maybe some channel related to embedded devices would know |
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| 06:16 | <agentbob> | is it possible to 'refresh' the procps binaries via apt-get somehow? |
| 06:16 | <agentbob> | like... equivalent to apt-get reinstall? |
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| 06:37 | <epa> | how to specify in the debian/control file a dependency for linux-headers of currently running kernel? |
| 06:37 | <weasel> | you don't. |
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| 06:38 | <epa> | I'm in process of creating a .deb of systemtap |
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| 06:38 | <epa> | 1.8 . And that would like to get kernel-headers, but I'd rather not install all of them... |
| 06:38 | <epa> | weasel: ok then |
| 06:39 | * | epa was hoping for some linux-headers-$(shell uname -r) or similar |
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| 06:50 | <niels> | you could depend on the metapackage linux-headers, that should work for most users, but it doesn't guarantee that the correct headers get pulled in in all cases |
| 06:51 | <niels> | sorry, virtual package, not metapackage |
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| 06:53 | <themill> | you can't guarantee that the headers for the running kernel will be pulled in and the user might be running a self-compiled kernel anyway. dkms and m-a exist for reasons like this |
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| 08:09 | <Choinka> | elo |
| 08:09 | <adek> | siemano :D |
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| 08:09 | <TararaRikitiki> | :P |
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| 08:52 | <epa> | themill: ok thanks |
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| 09:00 | <Leololo> | good morning |
| 09:00 | <Leololo> | sendEamil'm using in my log server to send email, however I have to INPUT DROP, but so that I can use the sendEmail I did a "iptables-A INPUT-i eth0-p tcp-m tcp - dport 25-j ACCEPT "but I still can not use, what else should I release? |
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| 09:03 | <abrotman> | wait, what? |
| 09:03 | <Leololo> | ? |
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| 09:06 | <SynrG> | Leololo: your question is barely English and almost impossible to understand |
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| 09:06 | <SynrG> | maybe #debian-br can help you better |
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| 09:16 | <user01> | i had to install oracle java for work so i extracted it into the path iceweasel saw it . . . do i have to reconfigure something for java some.jar to run? i get a lot of compile issues |
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| 09:17 | <jm_> | shouldn't it be java -jar foo.jar? |
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| 09:22 | <Leololo> | SynrG on my server I'm using the SendEmail service for which reports are sent to me, but I have my rule INPUT DROP, and added the rule "iptables-A INPUT-i eth0-p tcp-m tcp - dport 25-j ACCEPT "for it to work, except that I still can not, I have to add another rule? |
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| 09:24 | <niels> | that rule is garbled. it's missing space characters at important positions |
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| 09:26 | <Leololo> | niels: sorry copied wrong, the fact is: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT |
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| 09:30 | <SynrG> | Leololo: does your server have a log showing the message was sent? |
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| 09:31 | <SynrG> | Leololo: can you test access from the server to you with: "telnet your.ip 25" |
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| 09:31 | <SynrG> | you should see something like: |
| 09:31 | <SynrG> | 220 your.smtp.server ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) |
| 09:31 | <SynrG> | if you do, then type "quit" |
| 09:32 | <SynrG> | if it hangs, type ctrl-] |
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| 09:32 | <Leololo> | SynrG not only because I use sendmail with the following command (example): sendEmail -f meuemail@yahoo.com.br -t destinatario@gmail.com -u "Subject" -m "Mensagem aqui\!" -s smtp.mail.yahoo.com.br:25 -xu meuemail -xp 12345678 |
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| 09:33 | <abrotman> | is he trying to send or receive mail with that rule ? |
| 09:33 | <SynrG> | no idea. |
| 09:33 | <abrotman> | INPUT won't do much for sending ? |
| 09:33 | <SynrG> | nothing at all |
| 09:34 | <Leololo> | abrotman just send a simple command line |
| 09:34 | <abrotman> | Leololo: you're not answering the question |
| 09:34 | <SynrG> | your ISP may filter attempts to send on port 25, however. many ISPs do this to cut down on spam sent from zombied hosts. |
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| 09:35 | <SynrG> | in that case, you would need to use the "smarthost" supplied by your ISP and send all email via that. |
| 09:35 | <SynrG> | often just called "smtp.your.isp" |
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| 09:36 | <Leololo> | mas se eu fizer um teste um linux sem nenhuma regra eu consigo com sucesso enviar, agora se eu adiciono as regras: INPUR DROP and iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT I can no longer send |
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| 09:36 | <Leololo> | but if I do a test without a linux no rule I can successfully send, now I add the rules: INPUR DROP and iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT I can no longer send |
| 09:37 | <abrotman> | OUTPUT |
| 09:37 | <Leololo> | output ACCEPT |
| 09:37 | <SynrG> | Leololo: you're doing it wrong |
| 09:38 | <Leololo> | SynrG where is the error? in iptables rules? |
| 09:38 | <SynrG> | Leololo: if you really want a DROP policy (not rule; i.e. iptables -P INPUT DROP) you need to at least allow ongoing conversations |
| 09:39 | <SynrG> | this is done by allowing appropriate states |
| 09:40 | <Leololo> | SynrG but for this I need not only allow port 25? as previous command? |
| 09:40 | <SynrG> | this is from memory, umm ... iptables -A INPUT --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED |
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| 09:40 | <ansgar> | Leololo: No. |
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| 09:41 | <niels> | SynrG, plus -j ACCEPT, i guess |
| 09:41 | <SynrG> | ah, yes :) |
| 09:41 | <SynrG> | iptables -A INPUT --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 09:41 | <ansgar> | Leololo: You probably want to use DNS and a few other things, and the rule you wrote does not help in any case (think about what the source and destination ports are for incoming packets). |
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| 09:43 | <Leololo> | SynrG ansgar I should do so: http://paste.debian.net/204670/ |
| 09:43 | <Leololo> | ? |
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| 09:46 | <SynrG> | Leololo: your second rule is overly broad and probably accepts things that you would rather filter. I think it pretty much reverses your DROP policy |
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| 09:46 | <Leololo> | SynrG I could change it? |
| 09:47 | <SynrG> | i don't see any reason for it at all. i would just get rid of it |
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| 09:48 | <Leololo> | SynrG Then I delete the second line and let the first and third? |
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| 09:55 | <SynrG> | Leololo: i don't know the details of your network or your needs, but yes, it seems reasonable to accept all input from your local network (presumably that's 192.168.0.0/24), accept ongoing conversations (the ESTABLISHED, RELATED rule) and DROP everything else (as I said earlier, iptables -P INPUT DROP). |
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| 09:56 | <SynrG> | that's fairly normal for a system that does not run any Internet-accessible services. |
| 09:56 | <Leololo> | SynrG ansgar thank you, got it, it worked, now could send the email |
| 09:57 | <qq> | ?? |
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| 09:57 | <qq> | hello |
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| 09:58 | <Leololo> | SynrG just let the rule: iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT, as you said, and now the service is operating normally |
| 09:59 | <Leololo> | Thanks for the trouble |
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| 10:00 | <SynrG> | you're welcome |
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| 10:56 | <bishal> | how to update to gnome 3.6 |
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| 10:57 | <SynrG> | ,versions gnome |
| 10:57 | <judd> | Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+4; sid: 1:3.4+5 |
| 10:57 | <SynrG> | you don't. |
| 10:57 | <SynrG> | wait until jessie |
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| 10:57 | <bishal> | can't i update? |
| 10:58 | <SynrG> | nope. gnome 3.6 isn't in debian |
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| 10:58 | <SynrG> | this deep into the freeze it seems unlikely it will make it into wheezy |
| 10:58 | <bishal> | can i play window's game like call of duty modern warfarw 2 or 3 on ubuntu? If yes how? |
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| 10:59 | <SynrG> | ubuntu? |
| 10:59 | <bishal> | yes |
| 10:59 | <SynrG> | !ubuntu |
| 10:59 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 10:59 | <SynrG> | not supported here |
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| 11:00 | <bishal> | any good debian theme package to download? |
| 11:01 | <SynrG> | now you're just confusing me |
| 11:02 | <bishal> | i need a beautiful desktop like window7 so if there any theme package ? |
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| 11:03 | <_MD_> | Hi, I would like to ask you, do you know if it is possible with cryptsetup to unlock your partition with a key on USB (this I know it is possible) and if the USB is not plugged in to fallback to a passphase? I managed to do the first part (USB unlock), but I cannot do the second part (fallback if USB not connected). I am using script from /lib/cryptsetup/scripts/passdev. Does anyone managed to do that configuration? |
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| 11:04 | <niels1> | _MD_, yes, that's what i do on my laptop. i don't have the script here, tho |
| 11:05 | <_MD_> | can you explain me please how do you do that? |
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| 11:06 | <niels1> | _MD_, sure, you simply try to mount the stick in the script. if it succeeds, you cat the key from the file on the stick, if it fails, you prompt the user for a password and read it into a variable and echo that |
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| 11:09 | <_MD_> | niels1: thanks for the explanation, would you share a script for that? |
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| 11:10 | <niels1> | _MD_, yes, but i don't have it here right now. i'm at work now. i've got it at home. i will be home later, maybe i can share it with you then |
| 11:11 | <_MD_> | niels1: ok, thank you very much |
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| 11:11 | <niels1> | _MD_, i'll be home in about one and a half hour, i believe |
| 11:12 | <SynrG> | bishal: a) I don't support anything but debian here, like everyone else here. b) I don't do support in priv. msg. so please stop bothering me |
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| 11:13 | <_MD_> | niels1: is it possible for you to send it to me by email? I do not stay on IRC normally |
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| 11:14 | <Soli> | Hello. Does someone know where I can get a package from the Debian 6.0.0 release? |
| 11:15 | <SynrG> | Soli: why specifically 6.0.0? |
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| 11:15 | <Soli> | SynrG: I want to know if bug #631089 was present in the original release. |
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| 11:15 | <SynrG> | which package? |
| 11:16 | <Soli> | SynrG: isc-dhcp-server |
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| 11:16 | <SynrG> | hmm. not likely to be in one of our archived live images then |
| 11:16 | <SynrG> | maybe snapshot.debian.org then |
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| 11:16 | <Soli> | SynrG: Thanks, trying snapshot.debian.org. |
| 11:16 | <SynrG> | you just need to choose an appropriate date. |
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| 11:17 | <Soli> | SynrG: I've find the release date of 6.0.0 and go by that. |
| 11:17 | <SynrG> | yup |
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| 11:18 | <alp_> | I am going to install Debian to my computer. Should i download wheezy or squeeze? |
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| 11:41 | <touki> | Hi |
| 11:42 | <touki> | I'm trying to install python-setuptools, it gives me this : "python-pkg-resources (= 0.6.14-4) but 0.6.24-1 is to be installed |
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| 11:43 | <SynrG> | alp_: without knowing your needs, it's hard to answer that. squeeze is stable and is supported by this channel. wheezy is not yet released, but is supported on #debian-next for those who are willing to engage in a bit of extra care and feeding of their OS) |
| 11:43 | <touki> | the version installed on my debian stable seems to be the O.6.24-1 (that's what i get by apt-cache show python-pkg-resources |
| 11:43 | <touki> | Any ideas ? |
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| 11:44 | <SynrG> | are you mixing in packages from other apt sources that aren't squeeze? |
| 11:44 | <touki> | I was |
| 11:44 | <touki> | I tried to clean everything |
| 11:45 | <SynrG> | apparently you didn't succeed. |
| 11:45 | <nickrw> | apt-cache policy python-pkg-resources to see where it is coming from |
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| 11:46 | <SynrG> | downgrade everything involved in a dependency chain to the "problem" package ... may take several iterations, depending on how much stuff you have that's ahead of squeeze. |
| 11:46 | <touki> | http://paste.debian.net/204701/ |
| 11:47 | <SynrG> | ah. that's the opposite of the problem i thought you had. |
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| 11:47 | <touki> | SynrG, I guess, i wasn't understanding anything, things get clearer since I'm reading Debian Admin Handbook. |
| 11:48 | <SynrG> | seems the one that apt wants to upgrade to *is* in squeeze, so that's good |
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| 11:48 | <SynrG> | something else must have a restrictive dependency that holds it back |
| 11:48 | <SynrG> | got anything pinned? |
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| 11:48 | <SynrG> | "apt-cache policy" (no arguments) |
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| 11:49 | <touki> | http://paste.debian.net/204704/ |
| 11:50 | <touki> | I didn't get what you meant by "got anything pinned" |
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| 11:50 | <lef> | Have a rv730 card (4670 specifically) and fglrx no more support it (ATI/AMD dropped Catalyst support for these cards in Catalyst 12-6. These cards are supported with the legacy ATI 12-4 Catalyst release, but you MUST use a kernel <= 3.2 and Xserver <= 1.11).So, the question is how to make it trouble-free? :] |
| 11:51 | <touki> | to make the things clearer I'm trying to solve a dependency problem i encountered by installing python-virtualenv |
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| 11:53 | <SynrG> | i see |
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| 11:54 | <SynrG> | ignore the question about pinning (see man apt_preferences some time if you care to understand it) |
| 11:55 | <SynrG> | so an upgrade or dist-upgrade does not suceed? |
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| 11:55 | <SynrG> | looks like you've fallen back to older python packages than are in the current release. |
| 11:55 | <SynrG> | no wait, i've misread the version#s |
| 11:55 | <SynrG> | i missed the digit 2 :P |
| 11:56 | <hangaround> | how can I install wheezy on my already encrypted disk? in rescue mode it asks me for the password. can I start the installer from rescue mode? |
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| 11:56 | <touki> | :p |
| 11:56 | <SynrG> | touki: so you are indeed ahead of squeeze. you need to downgrade manually |
| 11:56 | <touki> | yep I guess |
| 11:56 | <SynrG> | that is, apt-get install packagename=version |
| 11:56 | <touki> | ok |
| 11:57 | <SynrG> | and each one of these attempts is likely to break ... |
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| 11:57 | <touki> | ^^ |
| 11:57 | <SynrG> | but it will mention other affected versions of other packages. then find the squeeze version of each |
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| 11:57 | <SynrG> | and finally build up a downgrade command that gets them all |
| 11:57 | <SynrG> | good luck. this sort of thing is never fun. |
| 11:58 | <touki> | ^^ |
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| 11:58 | <touki> | Few days ago I asked if it wasn't better to reinstall everything, they answered me no. I guess I'll learn goin' through this :) |
| 11:58 | <SynrG> | e.g. start with apt-get install python-pkg-resources=0.6.14-4 |
| 11:58 | <touki> | k |
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| 11:59 | <touki> | SynrG: I have to force it I think it answers : python-pkg-resources is already the newest version. |
| 12:00 | <touki> | --force-overwirte ? |
| 12:00 | <SynrG> | eh? your apt-cache policy said: |
| 12:00 | <SynrG> | Installed: 0.6.24-1 |
| 12:00 | <SynrG> | are you sure you said python-pkg-resources=0.6.14-4 |
| 12:00 | <SynrG> | ??? |
| 12:00 | <SynrG> | no. no forcing should be required. |
| 12:00 | <touki> | ure right |
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| 12:01 | <touki> | ty vm |
| 12:01 | <SynrG> | so if it fails, pastebin the result |
| 12:01 | <touki> | :) |
| 12:01 | <touki> | it's okay |
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| 12:01 | <SynrG> | so can you install python-setuptools now? |
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| 12:05 | <touki> | SynrG: yip ! tx |
| 12:05 | <SynrG> | super |
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| 12:05 | <touki> | français ? |
| 12:05 | <SynrG> | touki: it may not be the last of it. if it happens again with another package, you now know the general process to follow: check with apt-cache policy, see if you're ahead. downgrade. lather, rinse, repeat. |
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| 12:06 | <SynrG> | super? no, English. synonym for fantastic or great |
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| 12:08 | <touki> | SynrG: I didn't know it was used in english, yeah thanks for the solving process |
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| 12:11 | <SynrG> | touki: yup. mostly just in informal use |
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| 12:21 | <blubberdiblub> | _MD_, i'm home and can provide you with my key script now: https://gist.github.com/3974586 |
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| 12:23 | <blubberdiblub> | _MD_, you will have to adjust it for your purposes. for instance you might not want to mount the stick using a label as I did. and you might want to use a different filesystem on your stick |
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| 12:25 | <_MD_> | blubberdiblub: thanks a lot! got it ;) |
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| 12:26 | <blubberdiblub> | _MD_, and it makes use of the column <key file> in crypttap. it uses the contents of that column as file name for the keyfile. it is passed to the script as first argument $1 |
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| 12:27 | <blubberdiblub> | _MD_, and if the mount fails, it uses askpass from the cryptsetup package to prompt the user for the password. that's neat, since askpass hides the input |
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| 12:29 | <_MD_> | blubberdiblub: Ok, thanks for explanation. I was just wondering, maybe it would be easier just check if the specific USB is pluged in if YES execute passdev script if not askpass |
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| 12:30 | <blubberdiblub> | _MD_, it's better to wait a bit. you don't know if the USB device has already come up completely when the script runs. that's why my script waits up to 10 seconds (configurable), but mounts immediately, if it recognizes the stick immediately |
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| 12:35 | <_MD_> | blubberdiblub: yes, I agree just insted of writing whole script maybe (I am just thinking loudly ;)) I can wait for USB, if it comes up I can execute /lib/cryptsetup/scripts/passdev if not /lib/cryptsetup/askpass |
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| 12:36 | <blubberdiblub> | _MD_, sure, should be possible |
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| 12:36 | <_MD_> | blubberdiblub: Ok I will try it some day. Thank you for the example script. That will help me a lot. Have a nice evening :) |
| 12:37 | <blubberdiblub> | _MD_, you're welcome :) have a nice evening as well :) |
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| 13:27 | <snipe> | hi all |
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| 13:27 | <snipe> | im getting debian for a imac does it work like a charm :D |
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| 13:29 | <hangaround> | imac doesnt work like a charm so, no :P |
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| 13:32 | <snipe> | kakakak |
| 13:32 | <snipe> | its all inboard |
| 13:32 | <snipe> | must run faster thart yours |
| 13:32 | <snipe> | :P |
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| 13:33 | <Themarinaxula> | hola |
| 13:34 | <snipe> | hola guapa |
| 13:34 | <Themarinaxula> | hola wuapo |
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| 13:34 | <hangaround> | snipe, don't think so. maybe it runs better with debian :P |
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| 13:34 | <snipe> | lol |
| 13:34 | <snipe> | im working on it |
| 13:34 | <snipe> | :P |
| 13:34 | <Themarinaxula> | (L) |
| 13:34 | <Themarinaxula> | XD |
| 13:35 | <Themarinaxula> | tienes eskipe |
| 13:35 | <snipe> | si |
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| 13:35 | <Themarinaxula> | melodas |
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| 13:37 | <Themarinaxula> | cual |
| 13:37 | <Themarinaxula> | es |
| 13:37 | <retrospectacus> | !es |
| 13:37 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 13:37 | <snipe> | um momenot |
| 13:37 | <Themarinaxula> | oki |
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| 13:44 | <Themarinaxula> | hola |
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| 13:45 | <Themarinaxula> | holaaaaaaaaaaaaaa XD |
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| 13:45 | <snipe> | downloading |
| 13:45 | <snipe> | w8 |
| 13:45 | <snipe> | :p |
| 13:45 | <snipe> | xD |
| 13:46 | <Maulkin> | !es-social |
| 13:46 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi. |
| 13:46 | <Themarinaxula> | dame el eskipe |
| 13:46 | <snipe> | kroaken |
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| 13:47 | <snipe> | test |
| 13:47 | <retrospectacus> | yes, you are online. |
| 13:47 | <sney> | !test |
| 13:47 | <dpkg> | Test failed. |
| 13:47 | <snipe> | !hello |
| 13:47 | <dpkg> | Hi, snipe! |
| 13:47 | <snipe> | !debian |
| 13:47 | <dpkg> | [debian] http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 13:48 | <sney> | !msg the bot |
| 13:48 | <dpkg> | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others. |
| 13:48 | <snipe> | !wuapas |
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| 13:53 | <gianni> | holaa |
| 13:53 | <touki> | Hi |
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| 13:53 | <touki> | What if I want to install PyDev ? |
| 13:53 | <gianni> | hiii |
| 13:53 | <gianni> | im from uruguay |
| 13:53 | <touki> | Should I use sid ? |
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| 13:53 | <touki> | sid package (I'm on squeeze actually) |
| 13:54 | <gianni> | i speak inglish so so |
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| 13:54 | <sney> | touki, check squeeze-backports or see if you can backport it yourself. but if you can't, I would recommend using wheezy instead of sid |
| 13:54 | <sney> | gianni, do you have a debian question |
| 13:54 | <gianni> | yea |
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| 13:55 | <gianni> | yes |
| 13:55 | <mikegrb> | mre |
| 13:55 | <gianni> | my question s |
| 13:55 | <gianni> | is |
| 13:55 | <gianni> | the sopport |
| 13:55 | <gianni> | español? |
| 13:55 | <retrospectacus> | !es |
| 13:55 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 14:01 | <touki> | sney: I can just too put unstable in sources.list, put a low priority, and use -t to signal when it has to install from unstable instead of stable, no ? |
| 14:02 | <touki> | that's not so dangerous, is it ? |
| 14:02 | <sney> | touki, mixing stable and unstable always causes big problems. they are just not compatible. |
| 14:03 | <touki> | sney: Yeah, I guess, but it could work for one program, no ? Do you see another way ? |
| 14:03 | <sney> | it would only work if there were no dependencies. |
| 14:04 | <sney> | ,checkbackport pydev |
| 14:04 | <judd> | No package named 'pydev' was found in sid/i386. |
| 14:04 | <touki> | Do you see alternatives ? Like recompile ? |
| 14:04 | <touki> | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=eclipse-pydev |
| 14:04 | <sney> | ,checkbackport eclipse-pydev |
| 14:04 | <judd> | No package named 'eclipse-pydev' was found in sid/i386. |
| 14:04 | <sney> | hmm |
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| 14:05 | <touki> | I've checked backport on your advice, there is nothing ;) |
| 14:05 | <touki> | the only occurence is the link i just put. |
| 14:05 | <sney> | anyway, it depends on python, so it wouldn't work with squeeze, as the version of python in squeeze is too old |
| 14:05 | <sney> | so your choices are a) run wheezy and add sid at a lower priority, or b) run sid. I recommend option a |
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| 14:10 | <touki> | I don't get. How do you know python is to old on squeeze, i could upgrade it too, no ? |
| 14:12 | <giorgio> | ciao |
| 14:12 | <giorgio> | !list |
| 14:12 | <dpkg> | giorgio: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 14:13 | <touki> | sney ? |
| 14:14 | <sney> | touki, things like python and perl are important to the OS core and also a gigantic pain to backport. |
| 14:14 | <sney> | and if you just install the packages from sid, everything will break immediately. |
| 14:15 | <sney> | I know python is too old on squeeze because I've seen people go through this process before. not for pydev specifically but other stuff |
| 14:15 | <sney> | ,v python |
| 14:15 | <judd> | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3~rc2-1; sid: 2.7.3-3 |
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| 14:15 | <sney> | 2.6 to 2.7 involves some big changes. |
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| 14:17 | <touki> | apt-get install python3 is possible by default on squeeze I can see |
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| 14:17 | <touki> | and it seems possible to make coexist different version |
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| 14:21 | <touki> | sney ? |
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| 14:22 | <sney> | look touki if you want to try mixing squeeze and sid I guess I can't stop you. I've already told you the smart option. |
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| 14:23 | <sney> | python3 is also not the same thing as 2.x so I doubt that will give you what you want anyway. |
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| 14:34 | <SynrG> | touki: please, please don't re-break your python. it's sounding like a complete upgrade to wheezy + pin sid lower, as per sney's advice is the best route. |
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| 14:36 | <SynrG> | touki: there's a reason we have different releases of debian and don't merely continuously upgrade the bleeding edge or have a shorter release cycle ... from one release to the next there are many large and sometimes quite messy migrations from older versions to newer. imagine if we kept all the old stuff around when we did that ... we'd have an explosion of different versions of packages in debian, all maintained in parallel on the same ... |
| 14:37 | <SynrG> | ... system, and we'd never release (because we'd never fix all the bugs!) |
| 14:38 | <sney> | and people who treat the 3 different branches as a "version buffet" regret it in 99% of cases |
| 14:38 | <SynrG> | touki: the upshot of that is, for very large migrations (like python) there is no practical way to keep the old and provide the new on the same system at once. the release managers and python maintainers work together to make the next version of python work and all the packages that depend on it work by the time the next stable release is released. that work-in-progress is wheezy. backports from that to squeeze are wholly impractical. |
| 14:39 | <SynrG> | in some cases where the dependency trees are shallow and/or substitutions of one version for another are possible, backports are possible. that's why you don't see backports for every possible piece of software at backports.d.o. |
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| 15:01 | <spawn> | !movies |
| 15:01 | <dpkg> | movies are a waste of time |
| 15:01 | <spawn> | !software |
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| 15:02 | <retrospectacus> | spawn: do you have a debian question? |
| 15:03 | <spawn> | just trying to figure this out |
| 15:03 | <abrotman> | figure what out? |
| 15:03 | <retrospectacus> | you appear to be confused about the purpose of IRC |
| 15:03 | <perlwizard> | !movies |
| 15:03 | <dpkg> | movies are a waste of time |
| 15:03 | <abrotman> | well, at least this channel |
| 15:03 | <abrotman> | perlwizard: you're not helping |
| 15:04 | <abrotman> | spawn: do you have a question about Debian, or just looking for warez? |
| 15:04 | <spawn> | I'm new, but I'm aware of IRC capabilities, the movie thing was just a test |
| 15:04 | <lef> | Have a rv730 card (4670 specifically) and fglrx no more support it (ATI/AMD dropped Catalyst support for these cards in Catalyst 12-6. These cards are supported with the legacy ATI 12-4 Catalyst release, but you MUST use a kernel <= 3.2 and Xserver <= 1.11).So, the question is how to make it trouble-free? |
| 15:05 | <retrospectacus> | spawn: irc is for chatting. This channel is for chatting about debian support problems. |
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| 15:05 | <abrotman> | lef: the radeon driver doesn't work ? |
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| 15:07 | <lef> | free drivers are working fine, but fglrx need :] |
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| 15:24 | <matib> | hello everyone |
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| 15:27 | <matib> | I have a problem with debian |
| 15:27 | <sney> | !ask |
| 15:27 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:27 | <towo`> | and the problem is? |
| 15:27 | <matib> | the problem is that I can't progress with wheezy's installation |
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| 15:28 | <matib> | 1. I boot uefi (from amd64 dvd1) |
| 15:29 | <matib> | 2. text-mode installer |
| 15:29 | <matib> | 3. selected language, location, keyboard layout |
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| 15:30 | <matib> | 4. installer is "Loading additional components", detecting network |
| 15:30 | <matib> | and then it stops and all I'm left with is a blue screen with a gray bar at the bottom |
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| 15:31 | <matib> | I tried to do Ctrl+Alt+F1 but accidentally pressed space. I notice that there's 1 field missing from the bottom gray bar now. |
| 15:31 | <matib> | I press letters and they appear in the bar |
| 15:32 | <matib> | activated tty2 |
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| 15:33 | <matib> | can anyone give me a hint please? |
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| 15:35 | <istvan> | Sziasztok, hogy tudnék terminálból futtatni www-data user nevében futtatni pl egy nautilust? |
| 15:35 | <istvan> | vagy geditet? |
| 15:36 | <diederik> | !hu |
| 15:36 | <dpkg> | Ez egy angol nyelvu csatorna. Kerlek beszelj angolul vagy probald a #debian.hu csatornat a FreeNode halozaton, ha magyarul szeretnel. |
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| 15:38 | <rene> | hello everybody |
| 15:38 | <matib> | hello rene |
| 15:38 | <rene> | i need to give a user remote access to my postgresdb |
| 15:38 | <rene> | how to? |
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| 15:39 | <matib> | I'm for receiving help here myself. But I guess you'd need a server and firewall |
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| 15:40 | <matib> | configured in a way that allows remote access to your postgre server |
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| 15:48 | <Dani> | Good evening! |
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| 15:52 | <matib> | evening Dani |
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| 15:52 | <Dani> | I have a strange problem with a Hard Disk.... |
| 15:53 | <matib> | I'm listening |
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| 15:54 | <Dani> | It has NTFS file system. When I start my PC it's in UDMA6, but when I start copy from it to an other drive it falls back to UDMA2! |
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| 15:55 | <Dani> | I mounted it with ntfs-3g. |
| 15:55 | <matib> | and how is that exactly a problem? |
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| 15:57 | <Dani> | This disk can work in UDMA6.... I have to move 700GB data. It takes a long time in UDMA2 to migrate 700GB data... |
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| 15:57 | <Dani> | How can I enable higher UDMA mode for this disk? |
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| 16:03 | <Soli> | Is control@bugs.debian.org not responding to 'help' messages? I just try from two different email address. |
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| 16:11 | <matib> | bbl going back to redhat |
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| 16:16 | <abrotman> | Soli: how long did oyu wait? |
| 16:17 | <Soli> | About 5 hours. I email first this morning. |
| 16:17 | <abrotman> | oh, okay |
| 16:17 | <abrotman> | i mean, the help is on the website also |
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| 16:20 | <Soli> | abrotman: Ah, well, I'd rather had a pong from the bug server, I'll try to sent it and just give up. I mean, I'm pretty sure they won't fix it in stable anyways. |
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| 16:24 | <abrotman> | Soli: depends on the bug i suppose |
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| 17:38 | <cgraf> | is it possible to unsquash a squshfs image, make changes and then resquash it? for instance with a liveUSB .img ? |
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| 17:39 | <diensthunds_> | cgraf: would have to be done in a chroot wouldn't it? |
| 17:39 | <retrospectacus> | ,i squashfs-tools |
| 17:40 | <judd> | Package squashfs-tools (kernel, optional) in squeeze/i386: Tool to create and append to squashfs filesystems. Version: 1:4.0-8; Size: 111.2k; Installed: 288k; Homepage: http://squashfs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:40 | <cgraf> | so basically, it could work. and yes id probably mess it up? |
| 17:40 | <cgraf> | thanks retrospectacus |
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| 17:41 | <cgraf> | diensthunds_: and yeah i guess to install programs. things like stripping or modifying idk |
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| 17:45 | <Agares> | Hi all |
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| 17:51 | <diensthunds_> | hello Agares |
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| 17:55 | <Agares> | I have a question: some time ago I used ubuntu, and now I want to install linux again on my pc. I've read some stuff about ubuntu (like bad stability, for example), and I wanted to try debian (since I read that it offers all ubuntu features since it is debian based and it's good if someone wants to explore linux world in a better way). If I should follow, for example, a linux course based on |
| 17:55 | <Agares> | ubuntu, would I be able to do everything with debian too (I mean if they have the same terminal commands, procedures ecc. of course I would be to since debian is like a "father" xD) ? |
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| 17:56 | <retrospectacus> | !tell Agares about install debian |
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| 17:56 | <retrospectacus> | Agares: let us know if you have trouble or questions |
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| 17:57 | <Agares> | love you :* |
| 17:57 | <retrospectacus> | let's just be friends :) |
| 17:57 | <rss> | !tell rss about install debian |
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| 17:58 | <chealer> | Agares: not necessarily, ubuntu is similar but not identical. |
| 17:59 | <chealer> | !tell rss about selftell |
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| 18:01 | <Agares> | thx for help, see you soon |
| 18:01 | <Agares> | good night! |
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| 18:33 | <snipe> | hi all |
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| 18:33 | <snipe> | ive just installed dibian and im gettgin a black screen |
| 18:33 | <snipe> | i have a hd 4670 ati |
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| 18:35 | <retrospectacus> | snipe http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 18:35 | <snipe> | pherhaps someone could help |
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| 18:35 | <snipe> | i cannot but into the sistem |
| 18:37 | <snipe> | it must be some command line grub |
| 18:37 | <snipe> | cvar im missing |
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| 18:39 | <snipe> | some ppl talking about this |
| 18:39 | <snipe> | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/black-screen-after-boot-872353/ |
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| 18:42 | <poliakov> | bisoir |
| 18:43 | <retrospectacus> | hola |
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| 18:50 | <cgraf> | failed to boot after I made changes to the squashfs and resquashed it. was this likely a user error or am i over looking something about live-boot ? |
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| 19:16 | <vidiot> | yay |
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| 19:16 | <vidiot> | I can chat |
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| 19:17 | <retrospectacus> | dpkg: congratulate vidiot |
| 19:17 | <dpkg> | Good show vidiot, you did it! |
| 19:18 | <ext5> | ayy its me again |
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| 19:18 | <retrospectacus> | not you again.. :( |
| 19:19 | <ext5> | :) |
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| 19:19 | <ext5> | i would like to make everyone know that sandy is man made by harrp |
| 19:20 | <ext5> | just in time for the voting and someone to come out as a hero |
| 19:20 | <retrospectacus> | be quiet unless you are asking a debian question or helping someone with theirs |
| 19:20 | <ext5> | ok |
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| 19:21 | <billybigrigger> | hey all |
| 19:21 | <ext5> | talk about freedom of speech |
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| 19:22 | <ext5> | i am willing to help in more ways than one |
| 19:23 | <vidiot> | I have learned more about debian and Linux in two days then you can imagine. Linux has a dark side. :D |
| 19:23 | <ext5> | vidiot, the irc chat |
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| 19:25 | <ext5> | vidiot, enlighten me on the DARKSIDE |
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| 19:25 | <ext5> | is it just debian or linux in generial |
| 19:25 | <vidiot> | Trying to compile 32bit on AMD64 debian.. so not working |
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| 19:26 | <vidiot> | had to go i386 |
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| 19:26 | <ext5> | vidiot,mhmm, well the term x86_64 mean that it should |
| 19:27 | <sheriff> | hey |
| 19:27 | <ext5> | both acutally |
| 19:27 | <vidiot> | arch-multi is not ready for primetime |
| 19:28 | <vidiot> | it don't |
| 19:28 | <vidiot> | even firefox does not run.. well you have to hunt out the 64bit version |
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| 19:29 | <dondelelcaro> | vidiot: multiarch works just fine, but it's quite possible you're expecting it to do different things than is currently supported |
| 19:29 | <vidiot> | but the version they stream via the web pasge will not work on 64bit |
| 19:30 | <vidiot> | I want it to compile 32bit Gcc and G++ but I could not get it to work |
| 19:30 | <vidiot> | could not mange to get the pakages |
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| 19:31 | <vidiot> | for 32bit libraries on AMD64 debian |
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| 19:32 | <vidiot> | but.. I have like 2 day's experience with Linux :D SO:) |
| 19:32 | <dondelelcaro> | vidiot: that doesn't make much sense; gcc and g++ are fully capable of producing i386 binaries on amd64. You don't need the 32bit version of them |
| 19:32 | <retrospectacus> | vidiot: what are you trying to do... |
| 19:32 | <retrospectacus> | compiling things is almost never necessary |
| 19:33 | <vidiot> | I'm using BlitzMAX and was trying to get all the dependancies worked out.. Works great on 32bit but could not get it working on 64bit |
| 19:33 | <vidiot> | x11 libraries were the problem |
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| 19:41 | <vidiot> | irc.blitzed.org mmm cant seem to get logged on |
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| 19:49 | <itauma> | hi |
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| 20:01 | <snipe> | I am getting a blackscreen after booting debian , ati hd 4670 , ive used nomodeset, vga=791, xforcevesa adn acpi=off |
| 20:01 | <snipe> | no sucess |
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| 20:02 | <snipe> | at lease if i only could go to terminal |
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| 20:49 | <edlang> | Is there a channel for Debian GNU/kFreeBSD? |
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| 20:51 | <simonlnu> | on oftc i think yes |
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| 20:51 | <simonlnu> | !kfreebsd |
| 20:51 | <dpkg> | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:51 | <simonlnu> | edlang: ^^^ |
| 20:52 | <edlang> | Yeah, duckduckgo came to the rescue |
| 20:52 | <edlang> | thanks anyway! |
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| 23:50 | <kareti> | some one help me please. my xubuntu has a problem. the notification of volume changes, also the volume changes, the cursor flickers, some time the text will be selected automatically, if i get in to any tty then it starts printing garbage and sounds out beeps! it feels like the system has lost control. |
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| --- | Log | closed Tue Oct 30 00:00:58 2012 |