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---Logopened Mon Oct 29 00:00:25 2012
---Daychanged Mon Oct 29 2012
00:00<Ablac>We finished 30 GB of the transfer this morning...
00:00<Ablac>and now the servers completely unaccessable
00:01<Ablac>I think im gana ditch Debian also
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00:01<Ablac>Its causing more trouble then its worth...
00:02<Ablac>gana go back to CentOS
00:02<Ablac>never had the SSH not boot on CentOS...
00:02<Ablac>Ive had everything else fail to boot on CentOS but the ssh always booted
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00:03<Ablac>Well now the Host just notified me that there done cause its a Software issue...
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00:04<Ablac>Oh got an idea.
00:04<birch>well it's a predicament, but if i switched os because of one glitch i'd never settle down anywhere
00:04<birch>sometimes you just have to stick it out
00:04<Ablac>We cant afford to
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00:05<birch>that would complicate matters
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00:07<Ablac__>Ok im back.
00:07<Ablac__>that was weird...
00:07<Ablac__>theres 3 of me :/
00:08<birch>having an identity crisis?
00:08<Ablac__>I have one last idea
00:08<Ablac__>The minecraft server thats running I use the Recovery SSH I might be able to delete the boot script and stop it from booting
00:09<Ablac__>OMG new Fav Song ;P
00:10<Ablac__>Ice Cream by Hyuna
00:10<Ablac__>I love Hyuna though
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00:10<birch>never heard but it was the first video on youtube when i was testing flash so i heard it a few times
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00:14<Ablac>it kicked me for Spamming :/
00:14<Ablac>Can i post youtube links?
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00:17<cgraf>start typing things all on one sentence/line. and honestly, no one here wants to watch youtube links. we are all academics and professionals mostly
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00:17<cgraf>think of it like talking in a library. perhaps asking where a book is from time to time
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00:17<cgraf>and dont making annopying sounds like ugh and lol
00:18<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
00:18<Ablac>U dun know what im going though...
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00:20<birch>i think that at some point we have all had a similar experience involving software not working
00:20<Ablac>How do i display the Contents of a folder?
00:21<cgraf>Ablac: you need to learn basic command line skills for linux
00:21<cgraf>the command is ls -la
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00:21<Ablac>Thats incorrect
00:22<Ablac>that displays perms
00:22<cgraf>and it shows the files
00:22<cgraf>ls if you want to not list the psermissions and dotfiles
00:23<cgraf>not incorrect. you are really pretty noob
00:24<Ablac>there recovery dosnt show the files in my /home directory...
00:24<Ablac>Im pissed
00:24<Ablac>Debian didnt boot SSH and now i cant get it to boot...
00:24<cgraf>you should at least do an online study like this one
00:25<Ablac>I dun have time...
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00:25<Ablac>IM either Going to get an answer in the next few min or Reinstall
00:25<birch>if you have physical access to the machine, can you simply reinstall ssh instead of a full system install?
00:25<cgraf>Ablac: you need all of your time for playing minecraft...
00:25<cgraf>i get it...
00:25<Ablac>In 12 Days
00:25<cgraf>one line Ablac , all on one line
00:25<Ablac>Im getting charged 450$ unless i can finish this 200GB transfer
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00:26<cgraf>well, goes to show you need to learn some irc etiquette. really fast
00:27<birch>desperation tends to erode etiquette
00:27<Ablac>Ya and I dont want to have to pay another 500$...
00:27<cgraf>now, you are in a room with some of the most knowledgable people in the world in this feild. why dont you stfu up and restate your question inteligently
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00:28<Ablac>How do i enable SSH, without Console Access, or Direct Access to the server.
00:29<Ablac>Thats my issue.
00:29<cgraf>to make adjustements to ssh default behaviour, edit the file /etc/ssh/sshd_config
00:29<Ablac>SSH is down
00:29<Ablac>so i can SFTP
00:30<cgraf>yuo need to either restart ssh, or you need to restart the machine that runs it
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00:30<cgraf>if you have no access. as you say. then yuo cant
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00:30<Ablac>We have the Control Panel the Host supplys
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00:30<Ablac>which is basic, Recovery, Reinstall, Reboot ECT
00:30<cgraf>from what minecraft?
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00:31<Ablac>Its Robot as Hetzner calls it
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00:31<cgraf>well then reboot
00:31<Ablac>We did
00:31<cgraf>ssh will start back up
00:31<Ablac>The host already gave up
00:31<cgraf>ok well then its not installed properly
00:31<Ablac>and told us were screwed...
00:31<Ablac>The host said its stuck in a Script thats locking the console
00:32<Ablac>And that script happens to be... a MC server :/
00:32<birch>i think his situation is this: He has a hosted server somewhere with a debian install with malfunctioning ssh. All he has access to is the host's cpanel. If he can't get ssh back on for the debian install then he has to reinstall, in which case he will ditch debian for centos because they have a stiff deadline with a huge cost for missing it.
00:33<Ablac>Nice Summary
00:33<cgraf>ok, he should use what works for him
00:33<Ablac>Our old dedicated used CentOS
00:33<cgraf>ditch debian if you have to, yuo are a pain. and arent doing any research
00:33<cgraf>google uses debian. but if centos is what works for you. i thkn you should use it
00:34<Ablac>I would love to use Debian
00:34<Ablac>but were kinda stuck
00:34<cgraf>you should. its easy
00:34<shweppsie>Did you add your minecraft server to rc.local?
00:34<cgraf>just reinstall it. it only takes 15 minutes
00:34<Ablac>Its not the reinstall im worried about
00:34<cgraf>and ssh works out of box on debian perfectly
00:34<Ablac>its the 40 GB of the 200GB transfer we've already done :/
00:35<nomprover>Shouldn't we first ask him what the other options in the control panel do, such as the 'Recovery' option he mentioned?
00:35<birch>cgraf, i don't really know if your belligerent attitude is helpful to the debian community if you're going to actively drive away a user.
00:35<Ablac>The Recovery im currently in
00:35<cgraf>you ever think that maybe yuo cant ssh in because of the transfer
00:35<Ablac>It basicly setups a Remote Console
00:35<Ablac>as i found it...
00:35<Ablac>its not actually connected to my server ;/
00:35<Ablac>None of the files are there and when i booted SSH it didnt work
00:36<birch>define not work
00:36<Ablac>In the console it says the service started
00:36<Ablac>when i try to login to the SSH on my PC
00:36<Ablac>It says otherwise
00:36<birch>define otherwise
00:36<shweppsie>Ablac: the exact error is required
00:37<birch>we need specifics
00:37<birch>actual error output
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00:37<Ablac>Error: Could not connect to server
00:37<Ablac>And in the Recovery Console it says SSH is running
00:37<shweppsie>Can you ping the server?
00:38<Ablac>but running ifconfig shows my server
00:39<nomprover>Check sshd logs to see if connection attempts are getting through?
00:39<birch>have you tried narrowing down the issue by: checking permission settings, ownership settings, etc
00:39<Ablac>The current issue
00:39<Ablac>is the minecraft server which is located /home/test/craftbukkit.jar
00:39<Ablac>is running at start
00:39<Ablac>and blocking the console
00:40<shweppsie>did you add it to rc.local?
00:40<Ablac>When we manually exit it it just reboots
00:40<Ablac>not that i know of
00:40<Ablac>how can i check that?
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00:40<shweppsie>How did you make it run on boot?
00:40<Ablac>Thats the funny part
00:40<Ablac>We have webmin installed
00:40<Ablac>and according to webmin
00:40<Ablac>it was set to not run
00:41<Ablac>And no
00:41<Ablac>Webmin and SSH are both down
00:41<Ablac>and its running :/
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00:42<Ablac>I could sort this if i could get into webmin :/ but the recovery cant boot webmin
00:42<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see . The Debian package from is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives.
00:42<birch>Ablac, #locate rc.local # cat /path/to/rc.local
00:42<shweppsie>the recovery is intentionally a minimal boot to help you fix things.
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00:43<birch>it should be /etc/rc.local but there is also /etc/init.d/rc.local and some others
00:43<Ablac>i did a whereis
00:43<nomprover>Try Alt+F2 to see if you can switch to a different virtual console (if you can send such keystrokes through the console interface).
00:45<aranax_>somebody knows if is something wrong with glibc?
00:45<birch>nothing jumps out at me from that file
00:46<Ablac>I can try the Alf+F2 thing once i exit Rescue
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00:47<Ablac>Not sure 100% how this thing works, but the host just setup a remote console.
00:47<Ablac>maybe that will help :)
00:47<Ablac>The request just went through
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00:49<shweppsie>You need to work out how your minecraft server is running on boot. That is likely what is blocking the machine from booting.
00:50<Ablac>Is there some command
00:50<Ablac>to exit a Virtual Console
00:50<Ablac>cause Alt F2 didnt wor
00:51<Ablac>That time AltF2 worked but its a Completely Blank console... cant type anything
00:51<shweppsie>Ablac: You don't need to say things such as "Oh" and "Interesting". Just state the facts.
00:52<nomprover>Alt+F3 through to Alt+F6?
00:52<shweppsie>Didn't he have a working console already?
00:52<Ablac>F1 is the MC server thats screwing everything up
00:52<Ablac>F2+ are just blank
00:52<Ablac>I cant type in them
00:54<Ablac>Anyone have Teamviewer?
00:54<shweppsie>grep -r '/home/test/craftbukkit.jar' /etc/
00:55<Ablac>one sec just got kicked out of the console.
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00:57<Ablac>Anyone here have Teamviewer?
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00:57<Ablac>sheppsie i am unable to do that command.
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00:58<shweppsie>Why? What happens?
00:58<nomprover>Your minecraft console allows you to run system commands?
00:58<Ablac>Nothing :/ It wont let me type, and when i type in the minecraft console it says unknown command
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00:58<Ablac>Well it wont let me type in the other 11 virtual consoles
00:58<shweppsie>I'm asking you to type this into the recovery console
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00:58<Ablac>Oh it wont work
00:59<Ablac>Cause it dosnt read the /home directory
00:59<shweppsie>That command doesn't read the home directory.
00:59<Ablac>those files arnt there according to the recovery console
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01:02<nomprover>What sort of commands /can/ you type in the minecraft console?
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01:04<Ablac>It takes awhile for it to boot into the Rescue Console
01:05<shweppsie>Ablac: What happens if you type "stop" into the minecraft console?
01:05<Ablac>it shutsdown and them reboots due to RemoteToolkit so i type .stopwrapper and it shutsdown and restarts again
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01:06<Ablac>which is really interesting
01:06<Ablac>usually when you .stopwrapper is shutsdown competely and frees the console
01:07<Ablac>that makes me wonder.
01:07<Ablac>If the Telnet is up i mgiht be able to stop it
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01:08<Ablac>Nope telnet isnt up.
01:10<Ablac>Think im just gana do a reinstall :/
01:10<shweppsie>This is information that would have helped earlier. So you have a program called "RemoteToolkit" that runs minecraft.
01:11<Ablac>It actually runs all 6 servers :/ But only the one is booting thats causing the issue
01:11<shweppsie>How did you set this up?
01:11<Ablac>Which part?
01:12<Ablac>Each of the 6 servers has there own Ip
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01:12<Ablac>but webmin boots Rootkit which boots Craftbukkit.jar
01:12<shweppsie>I meant how did you set up the server. (i.e. set things to run on boot)
01:13<Ablac>which isnt booting either.
01:13<Ablac>And the interesting part is the server thats causing the issue is a test server that isnt suppost to boot unless manually told to...
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01:14<shweppsie>/etc/init.d/webmin stop
01:14<Ablac>When webmin was working this server thats booted was set to not boot.
01:14<shweppsie>does that do anything?
01:14<Ablac>Let me try.
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01:15<Ablac>-bash: /etc/init.d/webmin: No such file or directory
01:16<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see . The Debian package from is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives.
01:17<nomprover>Does the kill command work?
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01:17<Ablac>Says it dosnt exist
01:17<fixer>gentlemen I have an issue
01:17<shweppsie>That was my next suggestion.
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01:17<shweppsie>ps aux | grep webmin
01:17<fixer>why is it when I try to remove this bluetooth stuff it tries to completely remove gnome?
01:17<birch>great entrance
01:17<birch>and lovely question
01:17<Ablac>root 2929 0.0 0.0 3920 748 pts/1 S+ 06:17 0:00 grep webmin
01:17<fixer>I do not have a bluetooth device nor do I need this chewing up memory
01:17<birch>welcome to the channel, fixer
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01:18<bones_was_here>fixer: if you don't want your memory chewed up by unnecessary things, try a lighter DE - gnome depends on all sorts of optional extras
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01:18<nomprover>If it tries to remove gnome-core or gnome or gnome-desktop-environment, don't worry about remove any of those packages
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01:18<fixer>If your telling me that gnome-desktop-environment cannot function without bluetooth im going to slap you
01:18<shweppsie>Ablac: ps aux | grep craftbukkit
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01:19<nomprover>!tell fixer about metapackage
01:19<Ablac>root 2989 0.0 0.0 3920 748 pts/1 S+ 06:19 0:00 grep craftbukkit
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01:20<fixer>Im not going to let apt-get remove over 1gb of essential package, including gnome-desktop just to remove this sill ybluetooth crap
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01:20<fixer>I only want the bluetooth stuff gone
01:20<shweppsie>Ablac: I thought that was the program that was running in your terminal? I'm guessing the rescue shell is not on the same machine?
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01:20<Ablac>Rescue is a Remote Console
01:21<nomprover>If it's trying to remove over 1GB of packages, then something's not right
01:21<shweppsie>At this point I'm convinced that without a sudden jump in knowledge of the problem I'm not going to be any help.
01:21<nomprover>What command did you run to remove bluteooth?
01:21<fixer>root@galileo:/etc/init.d# mv bluetooth blueshit problem solved
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01:21<Ablac>shweppsie do you have Teamviewer?
01:22<shweppsie>Ablac: No. And I have no intention of using it.
01:22<Ablac>I was gana say it would be easier for you to understand if you could see it first hadn.
01:22<fixer>apt-get remove bluetooth
01:22<shweppsie>Ablac: I'm not tech support. You have to fix the problem. I'm providing advice.
01:22<fixer>then proceeds to try and dismantle gnome-
01:23<Ablac>ya... i guess im doing a reinstall.
01:23<Ablac>Whats the Difference between Debian LAMP and minimal
01:23<nomprover>Where do you see that choice?
01:23<shweppsie>Ablac: Some advice. Don't use webmin. Learn to use the features provided within debian.
01:24<Ablac>nomprover if your talking to me its one of the Debian Installs i can choose from.
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01:25<nomprover>Go with minimal, and install stuff you need yourself.
01:25<Ablac>Is there a Better Control Panel i can use?
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01:26<nomprover>LAMP = linux apache mysql php. All of these can be installed using apt-get.
01:26<shweppsie>Control Panel? Just get a basic debian install and do everything from there.
01:27<Ablac>I think its reinstalling now
01:28<fixer>dont give me that metapackage poppycock, Ive been through this allready, it completely removes gnome when I try to remove this bluetooth garbage
01:28<birch>haha fixer
01:28<birch>i remember when i had that problem
01:29<birch>i just gave up and accepted the battery drain
01:29<birch>wasn't worth the anguish
01:29<fixer>I will disable it
01:29<fixer>root@galileo:/etc/init.d# mv bluetooth blueshit problem solved
01:29<fixer>wont be seeing that startup again :P
01:33<fixer>Well I dont know who the asshole is who made the decision to have gnome-desktop removed when someoen tries to uninstall bluetooth, but clearly they are a moron
01:33<fixer>Hope they fix this in the next stable release
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01:34<birch>i doubt anyone on that level of authority cares
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01:34<fixer>I mean srsly, I dont have any bluetooth in my machine, I dont want or need a failed ass bluetooth daemon on my machine
01:34<fixer>gobbling up ram and leaving errors in my log files
01:34<birch>it's relatively annoying to the user who wants to tweak their system and doesn't like the result
01:35<Ablac>This aint good...
01:35<birch>but on that level of authority, those people aren't necessarily thinking the same way
01:35<fixer>An asshole is an asshole
01:35<Ablac>The hosts got to manually do the reinstall... cause the Automatic Reinstall failed...
01:36<birch>if you want to make a difference, complaining in this channel isn't going to get it removed from the system, you have to introduce that idea elsewhere
01:36<birch>so if you really care, you should do so
01:36<fixer>noahfx, but insulting the person whos responsible makes me feel better
01:36<birch>but otherwise, complaining to us won't get it removed
01:37<Ablac>There it goes now its installing :)
01:37<Ablac>Lolz CPU 0 - 11
01:37<shweppsie>Ablac: We don't need a running dialogue. Just tell us when you have an issue that you would like help with.
01:37<Ablac>lol :p
01:38<Ablac>Wheres the fun in that shweppsie
01:38<fixer>the internet is srs biz
01:38<shweppsie>#debian-offtopic exists for chit chat.
01:38<fixer>no dialogue
01:38<noahfx>fixer: what? xD
01:38<birch>shweppsie, don't you enjoy reading their problem fold out? this is like the digital equivalent of listening to a soap on the radio
01:38<fixer>no noahfx , accidental tab press
01:39<noahfx>no problem :)
01:39<Ablac>Anyone know a Debian Repo i can use to get either Java7 or OpenJDK7?
01:40<noahfx>Ablac: unsatble I guess
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01:41<noahfx>Ablac: in the unstable repos you can find OpenJDK7
01:42<noahfx>openjdk-7-jdk is the exact name of the package
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01:54<Ablac>Gah, I give up on getting the reop... im just gana do a wget lolz
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01:56<nomprover_>Ablac, what error are you getting?
01:56<Ablac>None just couldn't figure out the repo... Im a noob with Linux.
01:57<nomprover_>pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
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01:58<Ablac>Its a Fresh install
01:59<Ablac>nomprover_ ?
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02:01<nomprover_>Those lines seem fine, but they're different from mine
02:02<Ablac>I havent added anything
02:02<Ablac>its just the standard repos
02:02<nomprover_>Run 'apt-get update' to update the package list
02:02<Ablac>ya it dosnt have OpenJDK7
02:03<Ablac>W: Failed to fetch http://backports.debian.osrg/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'backports.debian.osrg'
02:03<Ablac>W: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
02:03<Ablac>theres a random s in org
02:03<jm_>backports.debian.osrg would most definitely not be OK
02:04<jm_>plus, openjdk-7-jdk is not there either
02:04<Ablac>W: Failed to fetch ckports/Release Unable to find expected entry non-frees/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
02:04<Ablac>E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
02:05<retrospectacus>it's non-free not non-frees
02:05<Ablac>it added random S's
02:06<Ablac>Thats better
02:06<Ablac>no error that time
02:06<Ablac>ya none of those repos have OpenJDK7
02:06<Ablac>they only have 6
02:07<nomprover_>noahfx said 7 is in unstable. You are running stable
02:07<Ablac>What ever comes when its installed :/
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02:07<Ablac>I just reinstalled debian about 10 min ago
02:07<Ablac>its a Minimal Install
02:08<retrospectacus>!tell Ablac about java
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02:09<Ablac>What i cant figure out
02:09<Ablac>is how to install the Unstable Repo...
02:09<noahfx>Ablac: there are 4 branches of Debian
02:10<retrospectacus>you mean upgrade to unstable?
02:10<noahfx>stable, testing, unstable, experimental
02:10<noahfx>as I see you've installed stable
02:10<noahfx>you must change all the repos in /etc/apt/sources.list
02:10<retrospectacus>!tell Ablac about squeeze->wheezy
02:10<noahfx>to the unstable repos or sid , that is it's codename
02:11<noahfx>and then upgrade all the system to avoid problems with dependencies
02:11<Ablac>Im assuming i would change the world Squeeze to Wheezy in the repo?
02:12<retrospectacus>Ablac: read what the robot told you
02:12<Ablac>The Robutt is confusing
02:13<noahfx>Ablac: I rather use testing, unstable, stable words than their codenames
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02:13<noahfx>Ablac: read the link above ;)
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02:18<Ablac>This is rediculous...
02:18<nomprover_>Which part?
02:18<Ablac>All of it
02:18<Ablac>On the old install i somehow had a Ubuntu Repo
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02:18<Ablac>which had OpenJDK7
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02:19<nomprover_>Mixing repos from different distributions is a very bad idea
02:19<Ablac>I'm not even sure how it got there
02:20<Ablac>it wasnt until i joined this IRC i learned it was an ubuntu repo
02:20<nomprover_>I'm tempted to ask you to do this: cat "deb unstable main contrib non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y
02:20<noahfx>Ablac: xD
02:21<nomprover_>Perhaps someone more knowledgeable could point out the flaws with it, but I did that on a freshly installed system a month ago & it worked fine.
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02:22<retrospectacus>nomprover_: well it upgrades your PC to sid
02:22<dpkg>well, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
02:22<Ablac> No such file or directory
02:23<nomprover_>Then you can do 'apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk' to install openjdk
02:23<Ablac>Why are there 2 of me...
02:23<nomprover_>I've run sid for months, though not as my primary system, without serious trouble.
02:24<Ablac>Ya i dont think i wana run something that could have issues...
02:24<Ablac>Im running 6 24/7 MC servers on this box
02:25<nomprover_>Then replace 'unstable' with 'testing' in that command above.
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02:26<Ablac>about that command... cat "deb unstable main contrib non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y do i type that entire thing?
02:26<Ablac>but with testing instead of unstable
02:27<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
02:27<retrospectacus>and it'd be echo, not cat
02:27<Ablac>Or On Servers.
02:28<Ablac>Thats the part that scares me lolz
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02:28<bones_was_here>webmin is much scarier than sid
02:28<retrospectacus>if you are even a little bit confused or apprehensive, you should definitely stick with stable
02:29<retrospectacus>why do you "need" ojdk7
02:29<Ablac>6 Minecraft Servers
02:29<Ablac>They require Java
02:29<Ablac>And OpenJDK usually runs alittle better
02:29<Ablac>then Orical Java
02:30<Ablac>Sorry had to piece together my though...
02:30<bones_was_here>minecraft used to work fine on java6, does it require 7 now?
02:30<Ablac>My plugins do
02:30<Ablac>Essentials, XInfo, XBP, and the entire install of Tekkit requires 7
02:33<retrospectacus>your choice. If you do switch to wheezy see #debian-next for support
02:33<nomprover_>In my opinion, it's not as bad as it sounds. When I first started with debian, the fact that software in stable was _very_ old annoyed me.
02:33<bones_was_here>well i would suggest putting 'wheezy' in your sources.list instead of 'testing', when wheezy becomes stable your system will be upgraded to stable as you'd expect
02:33<bones_was_here>but if you use 'testing', then when wheezy becomes stable your system will be upgraded to the new 'testing', which will effectively be 'unstable' at that point
02:33*retrospectacus goes to bed
02:33<nomprover_>^ this
02:34<Eremiell>Java is still the same lazy beast nevermind which one you got (runing MC server myself). Since some time ago, I'm actually running wheezy on most of my machines and from my experience, doing a plain update/dist-upgrade from squeeze usually doesn't work so well. Always ended up reinstalling anyway, so I do that as standard procedure since. Don't froget to add squeeze repositories as well, as you'll easily find out, wheezy ones
02:34<Eremiell>are simply missing some packages. ;)
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02:34<Ablac>ima just do it this way...
02:35<nomprover_>I recommend against that
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02:36<nomprover_>apt-get is an excellent way to manage the software on your system.
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02:37<nomprover_>Is your system i386 or amd64?
02:37<Ablac>i guess im doing unstable
02:39<Ablac>Thats the one thing i learned from hosting MC servers on various different OS's
02:39<Ablac>32 Sucks
02:39<nomprover_>If you really want to wget, wget this:
02:39<Ablac>to late
02:39<Ablac>already did the unstable
02:39<Ablac>and its running ATM
02:39<nomprover_>Which bit is running now?
02:39<Ablac>what ever that command did
02:39<Ablac>replacement stuff
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02:40<nomprover_>That was 3 commands, separated by &&
02:41<nomprover_>Can you tell me what the last line displayed is?
02:41<Ablac>i coppied the entire thing and pasted it
02:41<Ablac>Unpacking Replacement Cpio ...
02:41<dennisthetiger>What's the status of the 3.x kernel in Debian?
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02:42<nomprover_>,versions linux-image
02:42<judd>No package named 'linux-image' was found in i386.
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02:42<nomprover_>,versions linux-image-i386
02:42<judd>No package named 'linux-image-i386' was found in i386.
02:42<Ablac>,versions Pie
02:42<judd>No package named 'Pie' was found in i386.
02:43<Ablac>Unpacking Replacement gettext-base ...
02:43<Ablac>How come nobody here likes Webmin?
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02:44<bones_was_here>because it breaks the OS
02:44<dennisthetiger>!tell ablac about webmin
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02:45<dennisthetiger>Was a bug in it that broke Sarge, see the message I had dpkg give you.
02:45<Ablac>ya i read it
02:45<Eremiell>3.x is doing fine in wheezy. squeeze still runs 2.6, if I'm not mistaken.
02:46<Ablac>Whats Free WHCP
02:46<Ablac>!tell ablac about Free whcp
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02:46<dennisthetiger>Eremiell: not seeing it in the repos. Backports or stable-> testing for the win?
02:47<Eremiell>As I said before, aside from several "have to be stable for any price" machines, I generally run testing. That one gets 3.x.
02:47<dennisthetiger>Ablac: One note, too, is that you can interact with dpkg without using the !tell command here in channel. In short, if you have something to search on dpkg, you can just type (for this case) 'free whcp' as a message to the bot.
02:48<dennisthetiger>Eremiell: Noted, that. I'll have to do an update in my Copius Free Time(TM) then. =D Thanks for the pointer.
02:48<Ablac>dennisthetiger is Webmin better now? with the release?
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02:49<bones_was_here>but in general using those control panels means when you make a change, you don't know what actually happened on the system, and you don't know if that change is likely to get overwritten by the system package manager (or if the package manager's changes are being overwritten by the WHCP)
02:49<dennisthetiger>Ablac: No idea. I haven't used a web based control panel in years.
02:50<dennisthetiger>OK, I'm out. Gnight.
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02:50<Ablac>this command is still goin
02:50<nomprover>Yes, it will take a while. Has it asked you any questions yet?
02:50<Ablac>only one
02:51<nomprover>What was it?
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02:51<Ablac>If i would like to allow it to reboot services
02:51<bones_was_here>in debian the default configuration files tend to be nicely commented and laid out so as to be easy to read and understand
02:51<bones_was_here>but control panels tend to overwrite the whole config file with just the bits it wanted, so the comments and settings that are commented out but there for you to see, are all lost
02:51<Ablac>my Android Phone has BusyBox
02:51<Ablac>that i can Root, and Install a new Kernal and Overclock my phone without problem...
02:52<Ablac>but installing java into debian OMG
02:52<Eremiell>Ablac: if you just let it update/dist-upgrade from stable to testing, it will go for quite some time and the result is still not assured. unfortunately. would love to say otherwise.
02:52<bones_was_here>yes, OMG, you may need to learn a few things or adjust your mindset if it's based on false premises ;)
02:52<nomprover>Are you familiar with virtual machines, Ablac?
02:52<Ablac>not on Linux
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02:53<Ablac>oh it said done
02:53<Ablac>and then kept going
02:54<Ablac>Love this server :P
02:54<Ablac>Utoh a question nomprover
02:54<nomprover>You'll need to pastebin the relevant lines for us to understand what you mean
02:54<nomprover>Ask away
02:56<Ablac>Not sure what to answer
02:56<nomprover>Do 'show side by side differences' and pastebin that
02:56<Ablac>Thats not good
02:57<Ablac>Putty just flipped out
02:57<Ablac>its working again
02:58<Ablac>its bigger
02:58<Ablac>one sec.
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02:59<nomprover>Maybe side-by-side wasn't such a good idea.
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03:13<Ablac>This question poped up during the upgrade, and im not sure where to install Grub
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04:19<shod>I need you to help me. I'm looking for art ascii generator for debian.
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04:22<perlwizard>ascii generator?
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04:26<jm_>if you mean ascii art drawing etc., there are tools in the repository
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05:26<stefan877>hi, I have installed debian with debootstrap on an ARM board. Debian boots up to "Starting periodic command scheduler: cron.", but after this no login prompt appear. Why?
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05:29<stefan877>this is on init 2, on init 1 I'll get a root shell
05:31<stefan877>or runlevel 2
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05:32<niels>is that over a serial line or using a monitor connected to the board?
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05:34<stefan877>niels: over serial line. when go to runlevel 1, and enter in console "init 2" this message appear: "INIT: Sending processes the KILL signatty_ldisc_hangup: waiting (init) for ttymxc2 took too long, but we keep waiting..."
05:34<stefan877>after this no interaction with the serial line is possible
05:34<niels>stefan877, well, have you set up a getty in inittab that listens on the serial line?
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05:36<stefan877>niels: no, I could try it
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05:37<niels>the virtual consoles are of no use when you only have a serial connection. the gettys will run, but you won't be able to see them
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05:41<stefan877>niels: should I use "vt100" for ttymxc2?
05:42<shod>perlwizar, yes!
05:42<shod>ascii generator
05:42<stefan877>at default there stands: "#T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100"
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05:42<stefan877>so I would change that to "#T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttymxc2 115200 vt100'
05:42<stefan877>is that correct?
05:43<stefan877>and delete the #
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05:43<niels>stefan877, i'm not sure, depends on the circumstances, i guess. just try it
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05:44<niels>stefan877, just make sure it's the correct serial device and the baud rate agrees with the one you're currently using
05:44<niels>stefan877, you may have to press enter before a login appears
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05:50<stefan877>niels: thank you, not wthere is a login prompt
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05:50<stefan877>without enter
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05:51<niels>you're welcome
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05:52<niels>you may remove or comment out the other 6 gettys for the virtual consoles, too, if you don't ever intend to connect a monitor to the board
05:52<niels>otherwise they're running in vain
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05:53<niels>or just comment out all but the first one of them, if there's a remote chance that you might connect a monitor at some point
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05:57<stefan877>niels: touch monitor should connected as next step. But I have to find out how to set some CPU-Registers: GP3_15 for LCD Power, GP3_16 for LCD-Data and High Level or PWM on GP1_26
05:59<niels>i have no idea, sorry. maybe some channel related to embedded devices would know
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06:16<agentbob>is it possible to 'refresh' the procps binaries via apt-get somehow?
06:16<agentbob>like... equivalent to apt-get reinstall?
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06:37<epa>how to specify in the debian/control file a dependency for linux-headers of currently running kernel?
06:37<weasel>you don't.
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06:38<epa>I'm in process of creating a .deb of systemtap
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06:38<epa>1.8 . And that would like to get kernel-headers, but I'd rather not install all of them...
06:38<epa>weasel: ok then
06:39*epa was hoping for some linux-headers-$(shell uname -r) or similar
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06:50<niels>you could depend on the metapackage linux-headers, that should work for most users, but it doesn't guarantee that the correct headers get pulled in in all cases
06:51<niels>sorry, virtual package, not metapackage
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06:53<themill>you can't guarantee that the headers for the running kernel will be pulled in and the user might be running a self-compiled kernel anyway. dkms and m-a exist for reasons like this
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08:52<epa>themill: ok thanks
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09:00<Leololo>good morning
09:00<Leololo>sendEamil'm using in my log server to send email, however I have to INPUT DROP, but so that I can use the sendEmail I did a "iptables-A INPUT-i eth0-p tcp-m tcp - dport 25-j ACCEPT "but I still can not use, what else should I release?
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09:03<abrotman>wait, what?
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09:06<SynrG>Leololo: your question is barely English and almost impossible to understand
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09:06<SynrG>maybe #debian-br can help you better
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09:16<user01>i had to install oracle java for work so i extracted it into the path iceweasel saw it . . . do i have to reconfigure something for java some.jar to run? i get a lot of compile issues
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09:17<jm_>shouldn't it be java -jar foo.jar?
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09:22<Leololo>SynrG on my server I'm using the SendEmail service for which reports are sent to me, but I have my rule INPUT DROP, and added the rule "iptables-A INPUT-i eth0-p tcp-m tcp - dport 25-j ACCEPT "for it to work, except that I still can not, I have to add another rule?
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09:24<niels>that rule is garbled. it's missing space characters at important positions
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09:26<Leololo>niels: sorry copied wrong, the fact is: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT
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09:30<SynrG>Leololo: does your server have a log showing the message was sent?
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09:31<SynrG>Leololo: can you test access from the server to you with: "telnet your.ip 25"
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09:31<SynrG>you should see something like:
09:31<SynrG>220 your.smtp.server ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU)
09:31<SynrG>if you do, then type "quit"
09:32<SynrG>if it hangs, type ctrl-]
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09:32<Leololo>SynrG not only because I use sendmail with the following command (example): sendEmail -f -t -u "Subject" -m "Mensagem aqui\!" -s -xu meuemail -xp 12345678
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09:33<abrotman>is he trying to send or receive mail with that rule ?
09:33<SynrG>no idea.
09:33<abrotman>INPUT won't do much for sending ?
09:33<SynrG>nothing at all
09:34<Leololo>abrotman just send a simple command line
09:34<abrotman>Leololo: you're not answering the question
09:34<SynrG>your ISP may filter attempts to send on port 25, however. many ISPs do this to cut down on spam sent from zombied hosts.
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09:35<SynrG>in that case, you would need to use the "smarthost" supplied by your ISP and send all email via that.
09:35<SynrG>often just called "smtp.your.isp"
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09:36<Leololo>mas se eu fizer um teste um linux sem nenhuma regra eu consigo com sucesso enviar, agora se eu adiciono as regras: INPUR DROP and iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT I can no longer send
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09:36<Leololo>but if I do a test without a linux no rule I can successfully send, now I add the rules: INPUR DROP and iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT I can no longer send
09:37<Leololo>output ACCEPT
09:37<SynrG>Leololo: you're doing it wrong
09:38<Leololo>SynrG where is the error? in iptables rules?
09:38<SynrG>Leololo: if you really want a DROP policy (not rule; i.e. iptables -P INPUT DROP) you need to at least allow ongoing conversations
09:39<SynrG>this is done by allowing appropriate states
09:40<Leololo>SynrG but for this I need not only allow port 25? as previous command?
09:40<SynrG>this is from memory, umm ... iptables -A INPUT --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED
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09:40<ansgar>Leololo: No.
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09:41<niels>SynrG, plus -j ACCEPT, i guess
09:41<SynrG>ah, yes :)
09:41<SynrG>iptables -A INPUT --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
09:41<ansgar>Leololo: You probably want to use DNS and a few other things, and the rule you wrote does not help in any case (think about what the source and destination ports are for incoming packets).
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09:43<Leololo>SynrG ansgar I should do so:
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09:46<SynrG>Leololo: your second rule is overly broad and probably accepts things that you would rather filter. I think it pretty much reverses your DROP policy
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09:46<Leololo>SynrG I could change it?
09:47<SynrG>i don't see any reason for it at all. i would just get rid of it
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09:48<Leololo>SynrG Then I delete the second line and let the first and third?
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09:55<SynrG>Leololo: i don't know the details of your network or your needs, but yes, it seems reasonable to accept all input from your local network (presumably that's, accept ongoing conversations (the ESTABLISHED, RELATED rule) and DROP everything else (as I said earlier, iptables -P INPUT DROP).
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09:56<SynrG>that's fairly normal for a system that does not run any Internet-accessible services.
09:56<Leololo>SynrG ansgar thank you, got it, it worked, now could send the email
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09:58<Leololo>SynrG just let the rule: iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT, as you said, and now the service is operating normally
09:59<Leololo>Thanks for the trouble
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10:00<SynrG>you're welcome
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10:56<bishal>how to update to gnome 3.6
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10:57<SynrG>,versions gnome
10:57<judd>Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+4; sid: 1:3.4+5
10:57<SynrG>you don't.
10:57<SynrG>wait until jessie
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10:57<bishal>can't i update?
10:58<SynrG>nope. gnome 3.6 isn't in debian
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10:58<SynrG>this deep into the freeze it seems unlikely it will make it into wheezy
10:58<bishal>can i play window's game like call of duty modern warfarw 2 or 3 on ubuntu? If yes how?
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10:59<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
10:59<SynrG>not supported here
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11:00<bishal>any good debian theme package to download?
11:01<SynrG>now you're just confusing me
11:02<bishal>i need a beautiful desktop like window7 so if there any theme package ?
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11:03<_MD_>Hi, I would like to ask you, do you know if it is possible with cryptsetup to unlock your partition with a key on USB (this I know it is possible) and if the USB is not plugged in to fallback to a passphase? I managed to do the first part (USB unlock), but I cannot do the second part (fallback if USB not connected). I am using script from /lib/cryptsetup/scripts/passdev. Does anyone managed to do that configuration?
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11:04<niels1>_MD_, yes, that's what i do on my laptop. i don't have the script here, tho
11:05<_MD_>can you explain me please how do you do that?
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11:06<niels1>_MD_, sure, you simply try to mount the stick in the script. if it succeeds, you cat the key from the file on the stick, if it fails, you prompt the user for a password and read it into a variable and echo that
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11:09<_MD_>niels1: thanks for the explanation, would you share a script for that?
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11:10<niels1>_MD_, yes, but i don't have it here right now. i'm at work now. i've got it at home. i will be home later, maybe i can share it with you then
11:11<_MD_>niels1: ok, thank you very much
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11:11<niels1>_MD_, i'll be home in about one and a half hour, i believe
11:12<SynrG>bishal: a) I don't support anything but debian here, like everyone else here. b) I don't do support in priv. msg. so please stop bothering me
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11:13<_MD_>niels1: is it possible for you to send it to me by email? I do not stay on IRC normally
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11:14<Soli>Hello. Does someone know where I can get a package from the Debian 6.0.0 release?
11:15<SynrG>Soli: why specifically 6.0.0?
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11:15<Soli>SynrG: I want to know if bug #631089 was present in the original release.
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11:15<SynrG>which package?
11:16<Soli>SynrG: isc-dhcp-server
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11:16<SynrG>hmm. not likely to be in one of our archived live images then
11:16<SynrG>maybe then
11:16-!-mode/#debian [+l 540] by debhelper
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11:16<Soli>SynrG: Thanks, trying
11:16<SynrG>you just need to choose an appropriate date.
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11:17<Soli>SynrG: I've find the release date of 6.0.0 and go by that.
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11:18<alp_>I am going to install Debian to my computer. Should i download wheezy or squeeze?
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11:42<touki>I'm trying to install python-setuptools, it gives me this : "python-pkg-resources (= 0.6.14-4) but 0.6.24-1 is to be installed
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11:43<SynrG>alp_: without knowing your needs, it's hard to answer that. squeeze is stable and is supported by this channel. wheezy is not yet released, but is supported on #debian-next for those who are willing to engage in a bit of extra care and feeding of their OS)
11:43<touki>the version installed on my debian stable seems to be the O.6.24-1 (that's what i get by apt-cache show python-pkg-resources
11:43<touki>Any ideas ?
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11:44<SynrG>are you mixing in packages from other apt sources that aren't squeeze?
11:44<touki>I was
11:44<touki>I tried to clean everything
11:45<SynrG>apparently you didn't succeed.
11:45<nickrw>apt-cache policy python-pkg-resources to see where it is coming from
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11:46<SynrG>downgrade everything involved in a dependency chain to the "problem" package ... may take several iterations, depending on how much stuff you have that's ahead of squeeze.
11:47<SynrG>ah. that's the opposite of the problem i thought you had.
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11:47<touki>SynrG, I guess, i wasn't understanding anything, things get clearer since I'm reading Debian Admin Handbook.
11:48<SynrG>seems the one that apt wants to upgrade to *is* in squeeze, so that's good
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11:48<SynrG>something else must have a restrictive dependency that holds it back
11:48<SynrG>got anything pinned?
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11:48<SynrG>"apt-cache policy" (no arguments)
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11:50<touki>I didn't get what you meant by "got anything pinned"
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11:50<lef>Have a rv730 card (4670 specifically) and fglrx no more support it (ATI/AMD dropped Catalyst support for these cards in Catalyst 12-6. These cards are supported with the legacy ATI 12-4 Catalyst release, but you MUST use a kernel <= 3.2 and Xserver <= 1.11).So, the question is how to make it trouble-free? :]
11:51<touki>to make the things clearer I'm trying to solve a dependency problem i encountered by installing python-virtualenv
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11:53<SynrG>i see
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11:54<SynrG>ignore the question about pinning (see man apt_preferences some time if you care to understand it)
11:55<SynrG>so an upgrade or dist-upgrade does not suceed?
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11:55<SynrG>looks like you've fallen back to older python packages than are in the current release.
11:55<SynrG>no wait, i've misread the version#s
11:55<SynrG>i missed the digit 2 :P
11:56<hangaround>how can I install wheezy on my already encrypted disk? in rescue mode it asks me for the password. can I start the installer from rescue mode?
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11:56<SynrG>touki: so you are indeed ahead of squeeze. you need to downgrade manually
11:56<touki>yep I guess
11:56<SynrG>that is, apt-get install packagename=version
11:57<SynrG>and each one of these attempts is likely to break ...
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11:57<SynrG>but it will mention other affected versions of other packages. then find the squeeze version of each
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11:57<SynrG>and finally build up a downgrade command that gets them all
11:57<SynrG>good luck. this sort of thing is never fun.
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11:58<touki>Few days ago I asked if it wasn't better to reinstall everything, they answered me no. I guess I'll learn goin' through this :)
11:58<SynrG>e.g. start with apt-get install python-pkg-resources=0.6.14-4
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11:59<touki>SynrG: I have to force it I think it answers : python-pkg-resources is already the newest version.
12:00<touki>--force-overwirte ?
12:00<SynrG>eh? your apt-cache policy said:
12:00<SynrG>Installed: 0.6.24-1
12:00<SynrG>are you sure you said python-pkg-resources=0.6.14-4
12:00<SynrG>no. no forcing should be required.
12:00<touki>ure right
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12:01<touki>ty vm
12:01<SynrG>so if it fails, pastebin the result
12:01<touki>it's okay
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12:01<SynrG>so can you install python-setuptools now?
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12:05<touki>SynrG: yip ! tx
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12:05<touki>français ?
12:05<SynrG>touki: it may not be the last of it. if it happens again with another package, you now know the general process to follow: check with apt-cache policy, see if you're ahead. downgrade. lather, rinse, repeat.
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12:06<SynrG>super? no, English. synonym for fantastic or great
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12:08<touki>SynrG: I didn't know it was used in english, yeah thanks for the solving process
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12:11<SynrG>touki: yup. mostly just in informal use
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12:21<blubberdiblub>_MD_, i'm home and can provide you with my key script now:
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12:23<blubberdiblub>_MD_, you will have to adjust it for your purposes. for instance you might not want to mount the stick using a label as I did. and you might want to use a different filesystem on your stick
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12:25<_MD_>blubberdiblub: thanks a lot! got it ;)
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12:26<blubberdiblub>_MD_, and it makes use of the column <key file> in crypttap. it uses the contents of that column as file name for the keyfile. it is passed to the script as first argument $1
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12:27<blubberdiblub>_MD_, and if the mount fails, it uses askpass from the cryptsetup package to prompt the user for the password. that's neat, since askpass hides the input
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12:29<_MD_>blubberdiblub: Ok, thanks for explanation. I was just wondering, maybe it would be easier just check if the specific USB is pluged in if YES execute passdev script if not askpass
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12:30<blubberdiblub>_MD_, it's better to wait a bit. you don't know if the USB device has already come up completely when the script runs. that's why my script waits up to 10 seconds (configurable), but mounts immediately, if it recognizes the stick immediately
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12:35<_MD_>blubberdiblub: yes, I agree just insted of writing whole script maybe (I am just thinking loudly ;)) I can wait for USB, if it comes up I can execute /lib/cryptsetup/scripts/passdev if not /lib/cryptsetup/askpass
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12:36<blubberdiblub>_MD_, sure, should be possible
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12:36<_MD_>blubberdiblub: Ok I will try it some day. Thank you for the example script. That will help me a lot. Have a nice evening :)
12:37<blubberdiblub>_MD_, you're welcome :) have a nice evening as well :)
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13:27<snipe>hi all
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13:27<snipe>im getting debian for a imac does it work like a charm :D
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13:29<hangaround>imac doesnt work like a charm so, no :P
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13:32<snipe>its all inboard
13:32<snipe>must run faster thart yours
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13:34<snipe>hola guapa
13:34<Themarinaxula>hola wuapo
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13:34<hangaround>snipe, don't think so. maybe it runs better with debian :P
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13:34<snipe>im working on it
13:35<Themarinaxula>tienes eskipe
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13:37<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:37<snipe>um momenot
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13:45<Themarinaxula>holaaaaaaaaaaaaaa XD
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13:46<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
13:46<Themarinaxula>dame el eskipe
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13:47<retrospectacus>yes, you are online.
13:47<dpkg>Test failed.
13:47<dpkg>Hi, snipe!
13:47<dpkg>[debian] See
13:48<sney>!msg the bot
13:48<dpkg>Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others.
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13:53<touki>What if I want to install PyDev ?
13:53<gianni>im from uruguay
13:53<touki>Should I use sid ?
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13:53<touki>sid package (I'm on squeeze actually)
13:54<gianni>i speak inglish so so
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13:54<sney>touki, check squeeze-backports or see if you can backport it yourself. but if you can't, I would recommend using wheezy instead of sid
13:54<sney>gianni, do you have a debian question
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13:55<gianni>my question s
13:55<gianni>the sopport
13:55<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:01<touki>sney: I can just too put unstable in sources.list, put a low priority, and use -t to signal when it has to install from unstable instead of stable, no ?
14:02<touki>that's not so dangerous, is it ?
14:02<sney>touki, mixing stable and unstable always causes big problems. they are just not compatible.
14:03<touki>sney: Yeah, I guess, but it could work for one program, no ? Do you see another way ?
14:03<sney>it would only work if there were no dependencies.
14:04<sney>,checkbackport pydev
14:04<judd>No package named 'pydev' was found in sid/i386.
14:04<touki>Do you see alternatives ? Like recompile ?
14:04<sney>,checkbackport eclipse-pydev
14:04<judd>No package named 'eclipse-pydev' was found in sid/i386.
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14:05<touki>I've checked backport on your advice, there is nothing ;)
14:05<touki>the only occurence is the link i just put.
14:05<sney>anyway, it depends on python, so it wouldn't work with squeeze, as the version of python in squeeze is too old
14:05<sney>so your choices are a) run wheezy and add sid at a lower priority, or b) run sid. I recommend option a
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14:10<touki>I don't get. How do you know python is to old on squeeze, i could upgrade it too, no ?
14:12<dpkg>giorgio: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi per sapere di più.
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14:13<touki>sney ?
14:14<sney>touki, things like python and perl are important to the OS core and also a gigantic pain to backport.
14:14<sney>and if you just install the packages from sid, everything will break immediately.
14:15<sney>I know python is too old on squeeze because I've seen people go through this process before. not for pydev specifically but other stuff
14:15<sney>,v python
14:15<judd>Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3~rc2-1; sid: 2.7.3-3
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14:15<sney>2.6 to 2.7 involves some big changes.
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14:17<touki>apt-get install python3 is possible by default on squeeze I can see
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14:17<touki>and it seems possible to make coexist different version
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14:21<touki>sney ?
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14:22<sney>look touki if you want to try mixing squeeze and sid I guess I can't stop you. I've already told you the smart option.
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14:23<sney>python3 is also not the same thing as 2.x so I doubt that will give you what you want anyway.
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14:34<SynrG>touki: please, please don't re-break your python. it's sounding like a complete upgrade to wheezy + pin sid lower, as per sney's advice is the best route.
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14:36<SynrG>touki: there's a reason we have different releases of debian and don't merely continuously upgrade the bleeding edge or have a shorter release cycle ... from one release to the next there are many large and sometimes quite messy migrations from older versions to newer. imagine if we kept all the old stuff around when we did that ... we'd have an explosion of different versions of packages in debian, all maintained in parallel on the same ...
14:37<SynrG>... system, and we'd never release (because we'd never fix all the bugs!)
14:38<sney>and people who treat the 3 different branches as a "version buffet" regret it in 99% of cases
14:38<SynrG>touki: the upshot of that is, for very large migrations (like python) there is no practical way to keep the old and provide the new on the same system at once. the release managers and python maintainers work together to make the next version of python work and all the packages that depend on it work by the time the next stable release is released. that work-in-progress is wheezy. backports from that to squeeze are wholly impractical.
14:39<SynrG>in some cases where the dependency trees are shallow and/or substitutions of one version for another are possible, backports are possible. that's why you don't see backports for every possible piece of software at backports.d.o.
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15:01<dpkg>movies are a waste of time
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15:02<retrospectacus>spawn: do you have a debian question?
15:03<spawn>just trying to figure this out
15:03<abrotman>figure what out?
15:03<retrospectacus>you appear to be confused about the purpose of IRC
15:03<dpkg>movies are a waste of time
15:03<abrotman>well, at least this channel
15:03<abrotman>perlwizard: you're not helping
15:04<abrotman>spawn: do you have a question about Debian, or just looking for warez?
15:04<spawn>I'm new, but I'm aware of IRC capabilities, the movie thing was just a test
15:04<lef>Have a rv730 card (4670 specifically) and fglrx no more support it (ATI/AMD dropped Catalyst support for these cards in Catalyst 12-6. These cards are supported with the legacy ATI 12-4 Catalyst release, but you MUST use a kernel <= 3.2 and Xserver <= 1.11).So, the question is how to make it trouble-free?
15:05<retrospectacus>spawn: irc is for chatting. This channel is for chatting about debian support problems.
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15:05<abrotman>lef: the radeon driver doesn't work ?
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15:07<lef>free drivers are working fine, but fglrx need :]
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15:24<matib>hello everyone
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15:27<matib>I have a problem with debian
15:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
15:27<towo`>and the problem is?
15:27<matib>the problem is that I can't progress with wheezy's installation
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15:28<matib>1. I boot uefi (from amd64 dvd1)
15:29<matib>2. text-mode installer
15:29<matib>3. selected language, location, keyboard layout
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15:30<matib>4. installer is "Loading additional components", detecting network
15:30<matib>and then it stops and all I'm left with is a blue screen with a gray bar at the bottom
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15:31<matib>I tried to do Ctrl+Alt+F1 but accidentally pressed space. I notice that there's 1 field missing from the bottom gray bar now.
15:31<matib>I press letters and they appear in the bar
15:32<matib>activated tty2
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15:33<matib>can anyone give me a hint please?
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15:35<istvan>Sziasztok, hogy tudnék terminálból futtatni www-data user nevében futtatni pl egy nautilust?
15:35<istvan>vagy geditet?
15:36<dpkg>Ez egy angol nyelvu csatorna. Kerlek beszelj angolul vagy probald a csatornat a FreeNode halozaton, ha magyarul szeretnel.
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15:38<rene>hello everybody
15:38<matib>hello rene
15:38<rene>i need to give a user remote access to my postgresdb
15:38<rene>how to?
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15:39<matib>I'm for receiving help here myself. But I guess you'd need a server and firewall
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15:40<matib>configured in a way that allows remote access to your postgre server
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15:48<Dani>Good evening!
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15:52<matib>evening Dani
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15:52<Dani>I have a strange problem with a Hard Disk....
15:53<matib>I'm listening
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15:54<Dani>It has NTFS file system. When I start my PC it's in UDMA6, but when I start copy from it to an other drive it falls back to UDMA2!
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15:55<Dani>I mounted it with ntfs-3g.
15:55<matib>and how is that exactly a problem?
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15:57<Dani>This disk can work in UDMA6.... I have to move 700GB data. It takes a long time in UDMA2 to migrate 700GB data...
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15:57<Dani>How can I enable higher UDMA mode for this disk?
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16:03<Soli>Is not responding to 'help' messages? I just try from two different email address.
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16:11<matib>bbl going back to redhat
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16:16<abrotman>Soli: how long did oyu wait?
16:17<Soli>About 5 hours. I email first this morning.
16:17<abrotman>oh, okay
16:17<abrotman>i mean, the help is on the website also
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16:20<Soli>abrotman: Ah, well, I'd rather had a pong from the bug server, I'll try to sent it and just give up. I mean, I'm pretty sure they won't fix it in stable anyways.
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16:24<abrotman>Soli: depends on the bug i suppose
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17:38<cgraf>is it possible to unsquash a squshfs image, make changes and then resquash it? for instance with a liveUSB .img ?
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17:39<diensthunds_>cgraf: would have to be done in a chroot wouldn't it?
17:39<retrospectacus>,i squashfs-tools
17:40<judd>Package squashfs-tools (kernel, optional) in squeeze/i386: Tool to create and append to squashfs filesystems. Version: 1:4.0-8; Size: 111.2k; Installed: 288k; Homepage:
17:40<cgraf>so basically, it could work. and yes id probably mess it up?
17:40<cgraf>thanks retrospectacus
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17:41<cgraf>diensthunds_: and yeah i guess to install programs. things like stripping or modifying idk
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17:45<Agares>Hi all
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17:51<diensthunds_>hello Agares
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17:55<Agares>I have a question: some time ago I used ubuntu, and now I want to install linux again on my pc. I've read some stuff about ubuntu (like bad stability, for example), and I wanted to try debian (since I read that it offers all ubuntu features since it is debian based and it's good if someone wants to explore linux world in a better way). If I should follow, for example, a linux course based on
17:55<Agares>ubuntu, would I be able to do everything with debian too (I mean if they have the same terminal commands, procedures ecc. of course I would be to since debian is like a "father" xD) ?
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17:56<retrospectacus>!tell Agares about install debian
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17:56<retrospectacus>Agares: let us know if you have trouble or questions
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17:57<Agares>love you :*
17:57<retrospectacus>let's just be friends :)
17:57<rss>!tell rss about install debian
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17:58<chealer>Agares: not necessarily, ubuntu is similar but not identical.
17:59<chealer>!tell rss about selftell
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18:01<Agares>thx for help, see you soon
18:01<Agares>good night!
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18:33<snipe>hi all
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18:33<snipe>ive just installed dibian and im gettgin a black screen
18:33<snipe>i have a hd 4670 ati
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18:35<snipe>pherhaps someone could help
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18:35<snipe>i cannot but into the sistem
18:37<snipe>it must be some command line grub
18:37<snipe>cvar im missing
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18:39<snipe>some ppl talking about this
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18:50<cgraf>failed to boot after I made changes to the squashfs and resquashed it. was this likely a user error or am i over looking something about live-boot ?
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19:16<vidiot>I can chat
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19:17<retrospectacus>dpkg: congratulate vidiot
19:17<dpkg>Good show vidiot, you did it!
19:18<ext5>ayy its me again
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19:18<retrospectacus>not you again.. :(
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19:19<ext5>i would like to make everyone know that sandy is man made by harrp
19:20<ext5>just in time for the voting and someone to come out as a hero
19:20<retrospectacus>be quiet unless you are asking a debian question or helping someone with theirs
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19:21<billybigrigger>hey all
19:21<ext5>talk about freedom of speech
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19:22<ext5>i am willing to help in more ways than one
19:23<vidiot>I have learned more about debian and Linux in two days then you can imagine. Linux has a dark side. :D
19:23<ext5>vidiot, the irc chat
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19:25<ext5>vidiot, enlighten me on the DARKSIDE
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19:25<ext5>is it just debian or linux in generial
19:25<vidiot>Trying to compile 32bit on AMD64 debian.. so not working
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19:26<vidiot>had to go i386
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19:26<ext5>vidiot,mhmm, well the term x86_64 mean that it should
19:27<ext5>both acutally
19:27<vidiot>arch-multi is not ready for primetime
19:28<vidiot>it don't
19:28<vidiot>even firefox does not run.. well you have to hunt out the 64bit version
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19:29<dondelelcaro>vidiot: multiarch works just fine, but it's quite possible you're expecting it to do different things than is currently supported
19:29<vidiot>but the version they stream via the web pasge will not work on 64bit
19:30<vidiot>I want it to compile 32bit Gcc and G++ but I could not get it to work
19:30<vidiot>could not mange to get the pakages
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19:31<vidiot>for 32bit libraries on AMD64 debian
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19:32<vidiot>but.. I have like 2 day's experience with Linux :D SO:)
19:32<dondelelcaro>vidiot: that doesn't make much sense; gcc and g++ are fully capable of producing i386 binaries on amd64. You don't need the 32bit version of them
19:32<retrospectacus>vidiot: what are you trying to do...
19:32<retrospectacus>compiling things is almost never necessary
19:33<vidiot>I'm using BlitzMAX and was trying to get all the dependancies worked out.. Works great on 32bit but could not get it working on 64bit
19:33<vidiot>x11 libraries were the problem
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19:41<vidiot> mmm cant seem to get logged on
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20:01<snipe>I am getting a blackscreen after booting debian , ati hd 4670 , ive used nomodeset, vga=791, xforcevesa adn acpi=off
20:01<snipe>no sucess
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20:02<snipe>at lease if i only could go to terminal
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20:49<edlang>Is there a channel for Debian GNU/kFreeBSD?
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20:51<simonlnu>on oftc i think yes
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20:51<dpkg>Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. #debian-kbsd on
20:51<simonlnu>edlang: ^^^
20:52<edlang>Yeah, duckduckgo came to the rescue
20:52<edlang>thanks anyway!
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23:50<kareti>some one help me please. my xubuntu has a problem. the notification of volume changes, also the volume changes, the cursor flickers, some time the text will be selected automatically, if i get in to any tty then it starts printing garbage and sounds out beeps! it feels like the system has lost control.
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