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00:18<Scriptonaut>omega: Doesn't ever seem like it
00:18<Scriptonaut>Do you guys know a good channel where I could get help understanding unix file systems, especially inodes?
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00:32<grim>who do I talk to about getting the netboot images updated for testing and sid. sid at least has 3.2.0-3 but the install fails because 3.2.0-4 is current in sid.
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00:32<grim>i tried using a 3.2.0-4 kernel from another install, but that doesn't have all the drivers that the debian installer kernel does :-/
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01:07<grim>nm just used the d-i daily build
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01:27<rjsalts>Is there any way to tell the firmware loaded on an ethernet adaptor in /proc or /sys?
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01:36<jm_>have you looked in /sys/class/firmware?
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01:42<rjsalts>jm_: It has one file in it: timeout
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01:50<jm_>rjsalts: then I'd say it;s not loaded
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01:58<mrdrumrman>hey everybody i got a question. how do i update debian without a disk.
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02:01<mrdrumrman>can anyone help me im trying to do an update in debian it wont let me can i get a lil help please
02:01<themill>perhaps put some output in a pastebin so we have something concrete to look at
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02:04<mrdrumrman>hold on one moment im downloading the error messages now
02:04<mrdrumrman>the mill
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02:06<mrdrumrman>Additional media is required. Please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux testing _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 CD Binary-1 20120910-04:50' to continue.
02:06<themill>mrdrumrman: you need to edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out or delete the lines for the CD.
02:06<mrdrumrman>this is the info its giving me before i can install the updates
02:06<themill>dpkg: tell mrdrumrman about make wheezy sources.list
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02:38<mrdrumrman>yo thee mill thanks for your help it works....u are the man......
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03:11<mrdrumrman> hey how do i change the windows titlebar colors i cant figure that out i wanna design my own environment
03:12<jm_>depends on what is drawing the windows
03:13<mrdrumrman>ok you know how you change colors in windows xp...right. how do you do it in debian
03:13<mrdrumrman>background colors titlebars ext
03:13<mrdrumrman>i looked everywhere for the info nd found nothing
03:13<jm_>there's no single solution like in windows - like I said, it depends on which environment you are using
03:14<jm_>that means you did not look everywhere
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03:14<jm_>most typical solution is to change a theme
03:14<mrdrumrman>well im using wheezy
03:15<jm_>that says nothing more about it - the relevant info is about desktop environment/window manager/...
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03:20<Calinou>oh look, it's the winbian guy
03:21<mrdrumrman>how do i customize my own theme so that i can change the colors of the titlebars
03:21<Calinou>mrdrumrman: what DE/WM do you use?
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03:21<Calinou>(the default one is GNOME 3, btw)
03:21<Calinou>and yes, in gnome 3 you can change themes
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03:25<jm_>go into control center and poke around
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03:36<Calinou>nautilus isn't a DE, it's a file manager
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03:38<alumno>hoo,la hijos+
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03:41<zem>Ahoy. Is there a (realtively) simple way to build debian package from source? I have found but it's from 2009 and i don't know if it's stil valid.
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03:41<jm_>zem: it is
03:42<zem>thank you!
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03:42<jm_>is there no debian package already?
03:42<zem>nope, it's for asterisk 11
03:42<zem>and there is no package even for asterisk 10
03:43<zem>it's quite new i think
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03:44<jm_>sometimes using uupdate from devscripts works with an older source package
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03:45<zem>jm_ i must say, i don't have a clue what you just said :/
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03:47<jm_>zem: one takes an existing debian source package for older version of an app, unpacks it, uses uupdate to replace files with a newer release, builds the deb with a new version
03:47<zem>i'll look into it
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03:55<palomita>hijos de putaaaaa
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03:55<warra_sexy> bndmyhrd ,ju6d zrF
03:55<warra_sexy>F H
03:55<warra_sexy> SHYT MJ
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03:58<palomita>Warra Sexyyyy
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03:59<warra_sexy>TFDUD D.KIYVM I,7 .O GYLU, ,K87Ñ
04:00<palomita>Warra Sexyyyy!!
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04:01<warra_sexy>ESTA NOCHES KEDAMOS
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04:01<palomita>.0med cago en tos tu muertos indiguena s
04:02<gnugr>!ops palomita
04:02<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gnugr complains about: palomita
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04:03<putillas>ola putas
04:03<putillas>putas de mierda
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04:03<putillas>palomita tu puta madre
04:03<palomita>La tuya
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04:04<putillas>uieres salami mariquon
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04:04<putillas>sisi tu el de detras mia
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04:04<putillas> xd
04:05<putillas>tu mas gay
04:05<orangensaft8>!ops putillas
04:05<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: orangensaft8 complains about: putillas
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04:05<palomita>Tu mas
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04:05<putillas>si me da igual sus muertos indiguenas panchita
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04:06<putillas>ada eres una guarra chupa navos
04:06<palomita>ala el otro
04:06<putillas>tu madre
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04:06<alumno>LA TUYA SERA
04:06<putillas>ada subnormal come nardos
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04:07<palomita> me kago en todos vuestros muertos
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04:07<putillas>ada puta fulana
04:07<palomita>el salami es el santiago
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04:07<salami>hola guarras me la chupais
04:07<palomita>si,todos los dias
04:08<zem>!ops palomita
04:08<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: zem complains about: palomita
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04:08<salami>okk os voy a dfar mandaga de la buena pirovos
04:08<alumno>ERES GILIPOLLAS
04:08<palomita>si,todos los dias salami
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04:08<perlwizard>what could be the reason, that on squeeze with kernel 2.6.26 (x86) a first and only NIC is detected as eth0, and after update of kernel to 2.6.32-5 it is detected as eth1
04:08<putillas>warra sexy ers una puta zorra
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04:09<putillas>ada puta
04:09<perlwizard>!ops palomita
04:09<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: perlwizard complains about: palomita
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04:09<jm_>perlwizard: did you check if there's any change in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ?
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04:09<perlwizard>jm_ I didn't
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04:09<palomita>i dont know
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04:09<putillas>palomitas cabronas
04:09<putillas>comerme el rab0
04:10<palomita>me cago en todos vuestros muertos
04:10<putillas>da puita fulana eres ada mariqona
04:10<putillas>pa tu madre ariqonç
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04:10<salami>haber furcis iros a trabajar
04:10<palomita>tu parde
04:10<putillas>ada me cago en paula
04:10<putillas>saLMAI PUTA
04:11<putillas>ada eres una zorra
04:11<salami>ke te meto
04:11<perlwizard>jm_ not entirely sure what I'm looking at tbh
04:11<palomita>me cago en tooos coño
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04:11<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
04:11<putillas>palomita cxabroines warriyas
04:11<palomita>Ivan cabron
04:11<putillas>tu madre
04:11<xtgydrhy>qe acxeiis qe ace 15 años qe nos beo cabrones
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04:11<warra_sexy>KIERES SALAMII
04:12<putillas>paukla eres una zorra como tus amigas
04:12<putillas>yo i quiero salami me lo das
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04:12<xtgydrhy>qe tal ivan
04:12<palomita>Ya,esk son muy gilipolllas
04:12<xtgydrhy>de parte de
04:12<jm_>perlwizard: looks like it gets a different MAC with this kernel, hence eth1
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04:12<palomita>bea Lopèz
04:12<putillas>mbn y tu puta madre
04:12<perlwizard>jm_ interesting :/ thanks
04:12<putillas>elena cabrona
04:13<jm_>perlwizard: comment out (or delete) all lines and it will be eth0 again
04:13<xtgydrhy>tu lhkjuifhgkdftgh
04:13<palomita>ola warra sexy
04:13<putillas>warrilla sexxual
04:13<orangensaft8>is that only one ethernet card? sorry didn't follow the whole convo
04:13<vete>tu puta madre iros a chupar pollas mamones
04:13<putillas>putas gordas
04:13<palomita>cvalla cabron del ingles
04:13<perlwizard>jm_ I'm actually pretty scared to touch it
04:13<xtgydrhy>ivan capullo
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04:13<xtgydrhy>i tu rafa
04:13<perlwizard>because physical access to that box is a real pain
04:13<jm_>orangensaft8: from the initial line "first and only NIC"
04:13<putillas>me cago en tos tus muertos
04:13<perlwizard>and it might become inaccessible again
04:13<palomita>pero tu k dic es cabron de mierda
04:13<putillas>hijos de putaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
04:14<palomita>hijos de putaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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04:14<jm_>perlwizard: right, and even if it's eth1 it should still work the same for most stuff
04:14<palomita>me cago en vuestra puta madreeeeeeeeeeeeee
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04:14<perlwizard>!ops we need an op
04:14<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: perlwizard complains about: we need an op
04:14<orangensaft8>!ops palomita xtgydrhy
04:14<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: orangensaft8 complains about: palomita xtgydrhy
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04:14<orangensaft8>why does this keep happening
04:14<jm_>ahh actually that might not be true if manual config is done via /etc/network/interfaces
04:14<perlwizard>ops asleep
04:14<orangensaft8>at least once a week these guys / that guy comes in here
04:14<perlwizard>yes jm_
04:14<perlwizard>kernel update broke the /e/n/i config
04:15<perlwizard>and made the box unreachable
04:15<jm_>apparently those are some kids using school computers or whatever
04:15<zem>i'll guess no ops in european time zone
04:15<jm_>perlwizard: then it won't make it any worse :)
04:15<orangensaft8>perlwizard: good luck though
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04:15<perlwizard>why would it get different mac address with different kernel
04:16<perlwizard>this is really interesting :/
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04:18<jm_>I know that was common for realtek driver, not sure about e100 - perhaps checking git log will reveal something
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04:18<Maulkin>What fun
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04:36<CQ>hello, what's a good distro for an old pentium M 2ghz Laptop? I want to basically use it as a remote X client or vnc client ... or just use plain debian with xfce?
04:37<slush>CQ: you want an unbiased answer? :)
04:37<PaulePanter>CQ: Depends on your graphics card.
04:37<perlwizard>debian with xfce or lxde would work fine CQ
04:38<PaulePanter>CQ: You can even try Wheezy’s new installer and report any problems you encounter.
04:38<CQ>slush: I am asking for debian or debian based ; )
04:38<slush>just debian it is ;)
04:38<perlwizard>it always is
04:39<PaulePanter>LXDE in Wheezy has some bugs though, so you should build libfm and pcmanfm 1.2.x.
04:39<CQ>graphics is ati mobility radeon x600 ... this laptop is probably from around 2006 or so
04:40<CQ>does wheezy have the option of going straight to xfce as a desktop?
04:40<perlwizard>xfce is the default desktop in wheezy
04:40<CQ>ah cool! in that case why not... I have a 40GB partition free on that machine
04:41<CQ>is it possible to run an installer for a second partition from within windows? else I'd probably go with unetbootin or something...
04:43<perlwizard>if you need dd to put an .iso on a flash drive, it's available in cygwin project
04:43<perlwizard>just saying.
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04:45<SynrG>perlwizard: is that still true of the latest installer beta? i read in the release announcement they had solved the problem of putting most of gnome on CD-1
04:45<CQ>maybe its time to be lazy and test this:
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04:51<CQ>can I dd the ISO to a plain USB stick as well, or does it have to be a drive?
04:53<jm_>you have our permission
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04:56<perlwizard>SynrG uhhh :/ there's been a lot of reverts
04:56<perlwizard>and reverts of reverts
04:56<perlwizard>apparently gnome is default yet again
04:57<D_MEN_T>hola a todos
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04:57<D_MEN_T>alguna chica de barcelona?
04:57<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
04:57<CQ>jm don't laugh, but I wanted to create backup media for my fathers new windoze machine, and it refused tu use USB sticks, and wanted a real drive attached
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04:57<perlwizard>CQ I was wrong about xfce default... it's still an option though
04:58<PaulePanter>CQ: You can dd the netinstall image to a USB medium.
04:58<PaulePanter>A laptop from 2006 should support booting from USB I guess.
04:58<jm_>CQ: as in boot from CD or use USB stick in windows?
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04:58<PaulePanter>If you want to help Debian, make sure to test the Wifi support of the Debian installer.
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04:59<CQ>PaulePanter: can do...
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04:59<PaulePanter>CQ: Thanks!
04:59<jm_>I mean boot from USB stick ...
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05:00<CQ>jm: sorry, what do you mean? I can probably boot off a USB drive, I'm just trying to be really lazy and not have to dd ;)
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05:03<jm_>CQ: I mean on your father's system - if it's about booting from usb then it wouldn't surprise me, pretty much nothing about BIOS should surprise you
05:03<EdePopede>what would be the right place to ask about gcal?
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05:04<jm_>why not ask here if it's about debian gcal package
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05:05<EdePopede>i also use firefox, but i think #firefox would be the right one here ;)
05:05<EdePopede>well, but ok... i'm tryng to get a 'gcal ..' output for arbitrary month. no options for that it seems
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05:06<EdePopede>3 month in a row. ranges work with 1 per row it seems. not nice :(
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05:06<Airwave>Right now I have two HDDs that both have two partitions, and are set up with mdadm. /dev/md0 is a RAID1 with /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 and contains /boot, while /dev/md1 is a RAID1 with /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 and contains an LVM with /root, /home, and swap. I'm considering switching to a single raid device and partitioning the raid device instead, but I've heard people saying that this is a bad idea. Any thoughts?
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05:07<Airwave>I find it cleaner if each set of disks is represented by only one raid device.
05:07<EmleyMoor>Airwave: I personally think /boot alone on a RAID1 and LVM on whatever other RAID the best option.
05:07<jm_>EdePopede: how about gcal '%201210' ?
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05:08<Airwave>EmleyMoor: But right now I currently have two raid devices that represent the same set of disks. I find that to be unnecessarily messy.
05:08<EdePopede>jm: 1 month isn't a problem, only i try to do " April ... May .... June " or so
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05:10<jm_>EdePopede: what do you mean?
05:10<EdePopede>until now only e.g. 'gcal -b 1 2010' works. copypaste all and then blockcopy in vim. not really nice
05:11<EdePopede>as in some desk calendars, where you have this, last, previous month on the top or bottom of the page
05:11<EdePopede>erm... last this, next month
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05:11<EmleyMoor>Airwave: YMMV
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05:12<Airwave>EmleyMoor: The thing is that I've heard people say "never partition an md device," but I don't know if there's any validity to that advice.
05:13<EmleyMoor>Airwave: I would not partition one - but in my case, it's by tradition, not becaule I've heard opinions on it
05:13<jm_>ahh I use pcal for that
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05:14<Airwave>I'll of course back up both my drives first, so worst-case scenario is that I revert to what I had.
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05:17<erol>is it possible to have anachronism entry in a syslog file ?
05:18<erol>like this :
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05:19<erol>those lines states the beginning of server reboot
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05:23<EmleyMoor>erol: Do you mean one line appears to happen later than the ones after it?
05:25<EmleyMoor>Can certainly happen if something adjusts the clock
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05:35<EdePopede>pcal makes ps, doesn't help. and cal/calendar (whatever) has nearly no options. gcal is the only useful shell calendar i found in years
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05:38<CQ>What's teh best way to run a remote desktop? VNC? or are there other protocols that are better? I have a server that I want to be able to work on from a laptop... persistent sessions would be nice but are not a must have
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05:44<jm_>for tty output 'cal -3' does the job ...
05:45<EdePopede>jm_: for this month only
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05:45<jm_>EdePopede: no, it accepts specific month/year
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05:48<jm_>the only bad thing is that cal doesn't accept -M, while ncal does
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05:50<EdePopede>great.. ncal -w -3 3 2010 works, but not cal -w -3 3 2010
05:50<santiago>mmm alguien habla Spanish??
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05:52<pajaro>as a mildly experienced user im thinking of deploying my own mail server for my own domain... i will be probably the only user... i only have experience administering zimbra. Im going to use a home server plug for it (not the most powerful box around). I wonder if i should go with zimbra or try something less heavy
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05:53<nevyn>pajaro: so.. running your own mail is now suck and pain because of spam
05:53<nevyn>spam filtering is a constant game of whackamole
05:54<pajaro>nevyn, yup... i understand that... thats i was thinking of zimbra...
05:55<pajaro>also thinking about setting some honeypot accounts...
05:55<nevyn>how is zimbra going to make it better?
05:55<nevyn>just curious?
05:55<pajaro>to mark automatically as spam anything that enters those accounts
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05:56<pajaro>nevyn, no idea... easier to administer i guess
05:56<pajaro>more ready to deploy spam solutions?
05:56<nevyn>I didn't think zimbra included spam filtering but it's been a while since I looked at it
05:57<nevyn>I tend to think of tools like spamassassin and razor etc for spam filtering but maybe I'm now out of touch.
05:57<pajaro>well, spam in our work is not that bad... a couple of mails every day
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05:57<pajaro>yeah, thats probably what zimbra is using... i just thought it would be easier to deploy than assembling all the pieces myself
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05:59<EdePopede>following the manpage and the error output of cal the option -3 only works with ncal. wich definitely is not true. and cal can't even start the week on monday, only ncal which outputs in a chinese style.
05:59<pajaro>but with java and all i think is quite heavy
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06:03<pajaro>anybody here hosting his own mail server?
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06:03<pajaro>i mean... any real men here?
06:04*EmleyMoor is
06:04<CQ>pajaro: mail is a commodity, unless theres a very good reason to have your own server, focus on something more worthwhile instead...
06:04<pajaro>EmleyMoor, what are you using?
06:05<nevyn>CQ: privacy is a good reason but it doesn't make it easy
06:05<pajaro>CQ, i like to carry my own weigth
06:05<EmleyMoor>... with courier to access mail
06:05<cthuluh>someone that hosts his own mail server is now a real man. wow, that was easy
06:06<pajaro>well cthuluh , as CQ put it... its a comodity... nobody bothers anymore
06:06<pajaro>they rather trust third parties
06:06<Maulkin>Or perhaps a real woman...
06:06<cthuluh>I do, but it doesn't really bother me
06:06<Maulkin>And for some value of 'nobody' there too
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06:07<pajaro>so cthuluh, you are a real man then
06:07<cthuluh>yay. so what was the real question?
06:07<pajaro>you probably shave with a machete and dont trim your nose hair
06:07<Maulkin>This conversation is better off in #moocows or something - is there actually a Debian support question?
06:08<pajaro>well, i was wondering if run a zimbra because... you know integration and its what i already know
06:08<CQ>Maulkin: yes: which mailer do you run on debian and how to become a real man? ; )
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06:08<pajaro>or run something less heavy and more complicated since i will probably be the only user
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06:09<CQ>pajaro: I use several mails (gmail, hosted, etc.) and store all my mails locally on a dovecot IMAP server
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06:11<mtemmerm>does anyone else have problems on testing after updating the kernel image? my update-initramfs is throwing an error which seems simple but I can't figure out...
06:11<pajaro>CQ you mean so you can access it from anywhere to your own machine?
06:12<pajaro>(the part of the IMAP server)
06:12<Maulkin>mtemmerm: What's the error please?
06:12<CQ>pajaro: yes. Imap server is dovecot on a vbox guest running wheezy, access is via ssl only
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06:13<mtemmerm>Maulkin: first I get the following seemingly straightforward error
06:13<mtemmerm>WARNING: missing /lib/modules/linux
06:13<mtemmerm>Device driver support needs thus be built-in linux image!
06:13<mtemmerm>FATAL: linux: not absolute path.
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06:13<mtemmerm>it then continues to build the initrd
06:13<Maulkin>mtemmerm: Are you running a custom kernel or something?
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06:14<mtemmerm>ending with ERROR: could not open directory /var/tmp/mkinitramfs_9Rei82/lib/modules/3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae: No such file or directory
06:14<mtemmerm>FATAL: could not search modules: No such file or directory
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06:14<mtemmerm>Maulkin: Linux tablet 3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 3.2.32-1 i686 GNU/Linux
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06:14<mtemmerm>Maulkin: the RT PREEMPT kernel from the repository afaik
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06:15<mtemmerm>Maulkin: the thing is, if I create a symlink in /lib/modules to the current kernel module folder
06:15<mtemmerm>it still errors out
06:15<mtemmerm>i'll do it now
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06:16<mtemmerm>I cd /lib/modules and then ln -s 3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae/ linux
06:16<nevyn>mtemmerm: you need a link in /var/tmp/minintramfs_randomblah
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06:17<mtemmerm>nevyn: hold on :) it's running
06:17<nevyn>so 3.2.0-4-blah has modules in it right?
06:17<mtemmerm>Maulkin, nevyn - ok so I linked the folder in /lib/modules, and now it's no longer giving the first error but I still get the last one
06:17<mtemmerm>ERROR: could not open directory /var/tmp/mkinitramfs_2ZkZXz/lib/modules/3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae: No such file or directory
06:17<mtemmerm>FATAL: could not search modules: No such file or directory
06:17<mtemmerm>funny thing is
06:17<mtemmerm>when I check /var/tmp, it's empty
06:18<Maulkin>mtemmerm: Can you pastebin your sources.list please?
06:18<nevyn>are the permissions on /var/tmp right
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06:18<nevyn>mtemmerm: -rt is in the repos
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06:19<Maulkin>mtemmerm: And also linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae ?
06:19<mtemmerm>Maulkin: I'll put the contents here, I only have one source: deb testing main non-free contrib
06:19<EdePopede>i think there was a way to make programs output in a different language, wasn't it "LANG=C bla foo" for einglish?
06:19<Maulkin>mtemmerm: Thanks
06:19<mtemmerm>Maulkin, nevyn yes everything is from that repo
06:19<Maulkin>mtemmerm: Hang on please
06:19<mtemmerm>Maulkin: thanks :) I'll get a coffee :D
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06:22<pajaro>okay, reading zimbra requirements it does not seem i can fit it into a dreamplug... is there something less heavy but with all the pieces put together?
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06:22<mtemmerm>nevyn: sorry overlooked your q about the permissions, yes /var/tmp has correct permissions
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06:23<mtemmerm>permissions on /var/tmp are drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 4096 Nov 8 12:16 tmp
06:23<Maulkin>mtemmerm: What did you upgrade *from* ?
06:23<mtemmerm>maulkin, linux-image-3.2.0-3-rt-686-pae
06:23<jm_>!tell EdePopede -about localised errors
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06:24<mtemmerm>I did a update && dist-upgrade
06:24<Maulkin>mtemmerm: ie: have you jumped a release or something?
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06:24<mtemmerm>Maulkin: not that I know of
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06:24<Maulkin>mtemmerm: So, you've been on stable before?
06:24<Maulkin>mtemmerm: Or are you tracking testing?
06:24<mtemmerm>Maulkin: I installed this box as stable and then dist-upgraded to testing 2 weeks ago
06:24<mtemmerm>Maulkin: ran excellent on testing
06:25<mtemmerm>Maulkin: still does, and the initrd builds and I also rebooted on it already
06:25<mtemmerm>Maulkin: it just gives that fatal error when building and then continues to build it anyway
06:25<Maulkin>mtemmerm: So did the issue appear in the 3.2.0-3 -> 3.2.0-4 upgrade?
06:26<Maulkin>mtemmerm: Full disks? :)
06:26<mtemmerm>Maulkin: after the upgrade yes
06:26<mtemmerm>Maulkin: you had me looking :D nope disks have plenty of space left
06:27<Maulkin>mtemmerm: Can you pastebin "sh -x /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs -o /tmp/foo" ?
06:27<mtemmerm>Maulkin: sure, give me a minute pls
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06:28<mtemmerm>Maulkin: that's a 12M file
06:28<mtemmerm>it outputs
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06:28<mtemmerm>Maulkin: that's uncompressed I take it?
06:28<Maulkin>mtemmerm: Probably... anywhere you can put it?
06:29<EdePopede>jm_: wirks only with C for english? everything else (es, it, ...) gives me english output and an error: "can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct" – stuff like 'LC_ALL=it man man' doesn't work. sure that on LC_ALL=C the english output isn't just a fallback reaction?
06:29<mtemmerm>geez *slaps forehead* ok hold on I take it you need the output from that command, not the file 'foo' itself :D
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06:31<mtemmerm>Maulkin: or what is it you need... the command's output or the file foo?
06:32<maks_>the stderr output mtemmerm
06:32<Maulkin>mtemmerm: /me transfers to maks_
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06:33<mtemmerm>Maulkin, maks_ ok
06:33<mtemmerm>grr I feel stupid today
06:34<maks_>it's lunch time here, so i'll be shortly gone, but reading you later.
06:34<jm_>EdePopede: works fine for locales I have generated
06:34<mtemmerm>maks_: I ran sh -x /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs -o /tmp/foo > /tmp/foo.txt and foo.txt is empty
06:34<mtemmerm>but everything showed on the screen
06:34<jm_>it has to be 2>foo
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06:34<mtemmerm>stderr redirection 1 - mtemmerm 0 :) thanks
06:35<EdePopede>atm i just use debian
06:35<EdePopede>no gcc, no java etc
06:35<jm_>EdePopede: generated some new ones, and now it works in those languages too
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06:40<EdePopede>/usr/share/locale is full of language directories. and i have manpages in lots of languages. only i can't call them without that option of 'man'. so i have "/usr/share/locale/et/LC_MESSAGES/". shouldn't "LC_ALL=et bash -?" then give me the error output in that language?
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06:42<jm_>no, you need to generate locale first, dpkg-reconfigure locales
06:43<fabryfb>salve sono nuovo.che cosè debian? si può scrivere sui problemi di ubuntu?
06:44<jm_>!tell fabryfb -about ubuntu
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06:46<mtemmerm>Maulkin: part one
06:46<Maulkin>maks_: ^^
06:46<mtemmerm>Maulkin: part two
06:46<mtemmerm>maks_: sorry :)
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06:46<mtemmerm>maks_: part one
06:47<mtemmerm>maks_: part two
06:47<mtemmerm>probably the part two you are interested in, although I can't make much of it myself
06:48<mtemmerm>can it be some package that needs to be dpkg-reconfigure'd?
06:49<mtemmerm>but then apt-get -f install would catch that wouldn't it?
06:49<maks_>hmmm exit 0
06:49<babilen>mtemmerm: "dpkg --configure -a" is what you are looking for (no idea if it is applicable as I have no idea what your problem is)
06:50<maks_>mtemmerm: what's the output of:[D update-initramfs -u
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06:51<grammoboy>I try to add a printer which is connected to a sitecom usb print server
06:51<grammoboy>usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd failed
06:51<mtemmerm>maks_: the following (3 lines): update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-linux
06:51<mtemmerm>ERROR: could not open directory /var/tmp/mkinitramfs_zxssDP/lib/modules/3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae: No such file or directory
06:51<mtemmerm>FATAL: could not search modules: No such file or directory
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06:51<cornichon>grammoboy, have you looked at syslog ?
06:52<mtemmerm>babilen: that reconfigures everything I take it?
06:52<chaos>how do i get ls to put the foldername in front of the files if i do ls -lt <path>/*?
06:52<mtemmerm>babilen: pending packages according to man
06:53<mtemmerm>didn't do much
06:54<grammoboy>cornichon, no, which file is that exactly?
06:54<cornichon>have you an error message inside ?
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06:54<jm_>chaos: it does that by default
06:54<cornichon>have you tried to take a look at ? web interface for cups
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06:56<grammoboy>no errors afaik
06:56<themill>chaos: what are you trying to achieve?
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06:56<maks_>mtemmerm: so please the full output of update-initramfs: sh -x /usr/sbin/update-initramfs -u 2>&1 /tmp/output.txt
06:56<grammoboy>Brother HL-2030 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.9 (grayscale, 2-sided printing)
06:56<grammoboy>Connection: lpd://
06:57<cornichon>abd in /var/log/cups/error_log ?
06:57<mtemmerm>maks_: ok hold on
06:58<cornichon>grammoboy, how have you tried to add this printer ?
06:58<mtemmerm>maks_: that didn't work... sure about that command?
06:59<mtemmerm>maks_: how about if I run it verbose (-v) and paste you that output?
06:59<grammoboy>cornichon, via http://localhost:631
06:59<EdePopede>dpkg-reconfigure is too dangerous. doesnt show settings and asks stuff aoubt what to change
06:59<jm_>mtemmerm: it's missing > befoure /tmp/out...
07:00<cornichon>ok >_<
07:00<mtemmerm>ok, adding that
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07:01<mtemmerm>that doesn't log it to the output file either, hold on
07:01<maks_>mtemmerm: fucking busy indeed, sh -x /usr/sbin/update-initramfs -u > /tmp/output.txt 2>&1
07:01<jm_>and y eah, 2>&1 needs to come last, sorry missed that
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07:02<mtemmerm>:D sorry I'm a mess with the shell
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07:03<EdePopede>it says: "This will select the default language for the entire system." – but what are my default settings now? no idea. root xterm is german too now, i had it english some time ago, didn't realize it changed.
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07:04<jm_>debconf-show can show you current settings
07:04<jm_>and it pre-sets those when re-configuring
07:05<mtemmerm>brb quickly going to hunt down some food
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07:06<themill>EdePopede: any user can override the "system" language settings
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07:07<themill>EdePopede: the important thing is, however, that you actually install the locales system wide using either dpkg-reconfigure locales or by installing the locales-all package
07:07<chaos>jm_: it puts the path in a line with : at the end then lists whats inside
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07:08<chaos>themill: trying to abuse ls to sort files from multiple folders chronologically :)
07:08<jm_>chaos: that's for directories only, not for files - use -d switch and it won't show files inside the dirs
07:08<maks_>mtemmerm: I'm running out of clue and no time to debug that
07:08<themill>chaos: use find instead
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07:08<maks_>mtemmerm: please reportbug it so that i can come back later to you
07:09<maks_>never seen yet that bug.
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07:09<EdePopede>locales is installed
07:09<themill>EdePopede: but not configureed
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07:09<EdePopede>i guess was not ask to after debian installation
07:09<mtemmerm>maks_: so you think it might be sth with the upgrade & not my fault? :D
07:09<maks_>mtemmerm: your previous mkinitramfs shows that the modules dir is created where as the update-initramfs run complains that such one doesn't get created
07:10<maks_>I have no fucking clue what is going on. mtemmerm
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07:10<chaos>jm_: thanks!
07:10<mtemmerm>ok, thanks for your time and help maks_ much appreciated anyway ;)
07:10<chaos>themill: i'll look into that too :)
07:10<mtemmerm>you too nevyn
07:10<EdePopede>packages should put some READMEs into root's home after system install. or debian itself "what you should do now"
07:10<themill>dpkg: tell chaos about parsing ls
07:10<mtemmerm>and jm_ :) bye now
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07:11<themill>EdePopede: /usr/share/doc/$package/README.Debian is already there
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07:11<EdePopede>ca. 1000 entries in /usr/share/doc
07:11<themill>sure. you wanted them
07:11<chaos>themill: boo :P
07:12<EdePopede>and stuff like xpdf surley needs no setup after first installation of debian
07:12<EdePopede>instal debian and then spend two weeks just reading docs?
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07:13<themill>EdePopede: does xpdf ship a README.Debian?
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07:13<themill>EdePopede: locales also doesn't need further configuration for most users
07:13<EdePopede>not that one, but wc tells me about 207
07:14<EdePopede>alpine has one. starts with "sending email"
07:14<themill>"waa there's no documentation" .... "waa there's too much documentation". You can't have it both ways. Perhaps the debian handbook would be useful for you -- /msg dpkg debian-handbook
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07:16<bluewater>snorts and has a giggle
07:16<EdePopede>complex systems need lots of docs, masses of docs must be orbanized
07:16<EdePopede>* organized
07:17<jm_>install dwww and it's organized :P
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07:17<babilen>doc-central ftw!
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07:18<jm_>how much different is that compared with dwww?
07:19<babilen>jm_: Different website essentially. I wouldn't necessarily consider it to be better than dwww
07:19<jm_>babilen: ok thank you
07:20<babilen>They are both good and I guess it boils down to personal preferences
07:20<chaos>themill: i can't find any way to order results of find :\
07:21<chaos>but provided there are no special characters in my results and i really do not want it to be used anywhere else i guess i'll stick to ls
07:21<babilen>chaos: Order them based on what? You should be able to pipe the output into sort (or whatever you want to use for ordering) quite easily though.
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07:22<chaos>babilen: creating time
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07:22<chaos>or modified ... don't really care :)
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07:23<babilen>chaos: cut + sort should get you there pretty easily
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07:23<jm_>chaos: why not use tree -ft then?
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07:24<chaos>well .. i didn't have tree installed .. so i'll check it out
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07:27<babilen>jm_: Doesn't tree use some fancy ANSI output?
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07:27<jm_>babilen: one can disable that
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07:28<babilen>jm_: Ah! Ok, that is not really surprising, but I always had it shelved in that drawer. :)
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07:30<chaos>well.. i'm sure it's disappointing but i'm too lazy to fix problems i don't have yet so i'll use ls now for this and maybe come back later once the rest of the script is working and replace ls by find or tree :P
07:30<chaos>i'll put a comment in the script :)
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07:46<ext5>hey all
07:46<ext5>how can i install packet tracer in wheezy
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07:50<chealer>ext5: do you know wireshark?
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07:54<ext5>chealer, ya i do know
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08:42<ionel>hello ppl
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08:48<ionel> is ok to compile linux kernel in parallel (with make -j ). Are there some known issues with this approach ?
08:50<engla>ionel: it's ok. everyone does that all the time, so problems are unlikely
08:50<engla>ionel: btw, make-kpkg is a convenient way to package custom kernels
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10:02<grammoboy>hm it seems my system also updates i368 packages
10:02<grammoboy>iam on 64 bit
10:03<grammoboy>glibc:i386 seems to be installed
10:03<Zaba>it's called multiarch
10:03<Maulkin>You probably have i386 libraries installed to run third party stuff
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10:03<Maulkin>Or wine, flash etc
10:04<nomprover>Will installing gfs2-cluster (and related packages) allow me to access an iSCSI target from 2 initiators simultaneously?
10:04<grammoboy>how do I find those packages?
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10:04<grammoboy>aptitude search i368?
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10:12<Zathras>Hi. I read the Debian Wiki articles about WOL and ACPI. On one system (wheezy) it works fine. On another (Squeeze) it does not. Same motherboard and onboard NIC. Difference seem to be the binding tot sysfs node in /proc/acpi/wakeup. On the squeeze box it does not exist. How can I enable WOL (sending) permanently on this box please?
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10:59<touki>I'm trying to install iceowl
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11:00<touki>I'm having trouble he wants to install calendar-timezones, it says the package is broken but when i make an apt-cache policy calendar-timezones, everything is ok.
11:00<touki>Here you have the pastebin :
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11:08<Raigeki>Hii anyone there?
11:08<Calinou>Raigeki: yes.
11:08<Calinou>don't ask to ask; ask now
11:08<Raigeki>it's my first time using an IRC channel and chat so i'm very new to this
11:08<Raigeki>never used it before
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11:12<NikYas>Good time! I have an issue with Gajim. After i installed it and try to connect to a conference, i saw just a blank window. In the xtrem, from which i launch Gajim, i had next output:
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11:14<NikYas>Also i found this issue:
11:14<SamB_MacG5>okay, I'm getting pretty annoyed about the way the device name for my root filesystem screws up the columns in df(1)'s output ...
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11:15<SamB_MacG5>namely, /dev/disk/by-uuid/1c08ee41-6454-409d-bf06-ef837a72d296
11:15<SamB_MacG5>any clue how to get a shorter name to be used?
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11:15<NikYas>So, look like this problem here in Debian Squeeze from may...
11:16<stderr>SamB_MacG5: Maybe edit /etc/fstab
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11:17<Raigeki>use fdisk -l
11:17<NikYas>Any ideas here? Should i report a bug?
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11:18<SamB_MacG5>Raigeki: use it for what ?
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11:18<SamB_MacG5>I wish df would follow the symlink :-(
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11:19<stderr>SamB_MacG5: Edit your /etc/fstab, so it doesn't use UUID=..., but /dev/sda1 or whatever.
11:19<SamB_MacG5>it actually uses LABEL=
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11:20<engla>stderr: the whole point is to use uuid since devices might jump around
11:21<stderr>engla: I know, but the question was how to clean up the output of df.
11:21<SamB_MacG5>well, it's unlikely that I'll switch back to a kernel that doesn't use libata ...
11:21<jmorton>no, but you might accidentally swap the SATA cables between two drives in future
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11:22<engla>stderr: prettier df trumps all other concerns?
11:22<jmorton>it might make more sense if the system searched for volumes by UUID or label, but then referred to them by device node
11:23<stderr>engla: I didn't say that, but the question was "<SamB_MacG5> any clue how to get a shorter name to be used?".
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11:23<jmorton>I wonder if it would respond to an /etc/mtab edit
11:23<SamB_MacG5>I *was* hoping for a way that wouldn't involve hard-coding the device name in /etc/fstab, yeah
11:24<daemonkeeper>jmorton: Never edit /etc/mtab.
11:24<engla>SamB_MacG5: are you on squeeze? it might be different with a newer df
11:24*SamB_MacG5 is on wheezy
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11:27<engla>SamB_MacG5: it has been fixed in a newer version of coreutils in fact (checked the changelog)
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11:28*SamB_MacG5 wonders if there's a command to check migration excuses ...
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11:33<SamB_MacG5>engla: or did you mean a newer upstream version?
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11:34<ssd_m>what is new debian version ?
11:34<ssd_m>mini laptop is ok installing debian linux ?
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11:34<SamB_MacG5>what is mini laptop?
11:35<ssd_m>Acer mini N series
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11:35<ssd_m>1Gb ram and protsessor 1.6ghz
11:35<SamB_MacG5>that's fine
11:36<ssd_m>i have a kids and thats web games all times :D
11:36<NikYas>Anyone else have a problem with using Gajim?
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11:37<ssd_m>and acer mini and debian linux is best perfomance ?
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11:38*SamB_MacG5 runs it on a 450 MHz PII w/ 256 MiB of RAM ... but of course, he doesn't run full-blown web browsers on it
11:43<jmorton>should be okay for most web games
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11:44<jmorton>as long as you can get Adobe Flash to work
11:44<jmorton>since many web games use that
11:44<jmorton>Flash is closed-source, which can be a problem
11:44<sney>well, as long as it's 32-bit debian then flash will work, at least
11:45<sney>ssd_m, using a ssd in that netbook will give you improved performance too
11:45<touki>Hi I've some trouble to install iceowe (calendar) on squeeze, "package broken" says apt, but I don't see where, here are the logs :
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11:46<sney>,v iceowl
11:46<judd>Package: iceowl on i386 -- lenny: 0.8-6; squeeze: 1.0~b1+dfsg2-2+squeeze2; experimental: 1.5-2
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11:47<sney>touki, it doesn't like the version that's in backports. try doing apt-get -t squeeze install calendar-timezones iceowl
11:47<SamB_MacG5>I'm using what amounts to the beta for 7.0, mostly
11:47<SamB_MacG5>also known as wheezy
11:47<Maulkin>touki: Looks like line with may be causing the issue?
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11:49<touki>You both are right ! I thought this were only for icedove and iceweasel.
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11:51<touki>Maulkin, sney : Thanks !
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12:33<daemonkeeper>Can we help you?
12:33<jmorton>try /join #debhelper
12:34<jmorton>if that's the channel you're looking for
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12:48<CQ>what's the best way to run a remote desktop? VNC or is there somethingbetter?
12:49<dondelelcaro>CQ: if it's Debian, you can just use X11.
12:50<CQ>dondelelcaro: straight on teh local net and remotely over ssh? do you have a pointer to a good howto?
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12:54<dpkg>You can run X11 apps securely over an ssh connection without <xhost> nor X TCP support. Enable X11Forwarding _on the remote server_ (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. See also <root x> and <cygwin sshx>.
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13:02<retrospectacus>CQ: "remote desktop" isn't really a thing on linux. As a multi-user OS with a proper client-server display paradigm (X) , it lets users run the programs they want from wherever they may be.
13:03<retrospectacus>if you really do want "remote desktop" where you take control of the physical display on a remote machine, use x11vnc
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13:04<retrospectacus>...on the server, and any vnc client
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13:12<SynrG>everything but remmina :p
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13:19<CQ>retrospectacus: thanks
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13:38<retrospectacus>hello, dani
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13:51<Las>que paso
13:51<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:51<Las>how are you?
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13:51<Las>im going to sleep
13:52<Maulkin>Las: This is a support channel for Debian, Please use #moocows for chat
13:52<Las>ITS A JOKE
13:52<retrospectacus>jokes notwithstanding, this channel is for debian support.
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13:52<Las>okey sorry
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14:44<SynrG>i'm trying to minimize contentless messages from cron jobs. one that i can't figure out is mdadm's checkarray
14:45<SynrG>what's up with that? it says --quiet, but really isn't, as it mails me:
14:45<SynrG>checkarray: I: selecting idle I/O scheduling class for resync of md0.
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14:46<SynrG>i mean, is that, or is that not an "informational" message, which --quiet claims to suppress?
14:46<SynrG>there's also: -Q|--real-quiet & suppress all output messages, including warnings and errors.
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14:46<SynrG>but that sounds useless (when would i *not* want to see errors?)
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14:46<retrospectacus>there's also 2>&1 >/dev/null
14:46<SynrG>retrospectacus: see my previous comment
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14:48<retrospectacus>|grep -v 'I: selecting idle' :p
14:49<SynrG>there's #588516 which seems related (apparently the error reporting here is mostly uninformative anyway)
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14:51<SynrG>retrospectacus: sigh. i think i'll just go with -Q
14:51<SynrG>seems the real errors i'd be interested in are found in the logs, not here
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14:57<rajesh_>what is responsible for drivers (such as brodcom bcm wireless lan)? Linux Kernel or OS (like debian)?
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15:07<retrospectacus>rajesh_: "who is responsible" implies you are looking for someone to blame - that is the hardware manufacturer :)
15:08<retrospectacus>rajesh_: if you mean "who provides them" then yes the kernel developers or debian team, or sometimes the manufacturer
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15:09<retrospectacus>rajesh_: you should probably ask a more specific question
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15:13<student>sierra parkman
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15:18<rajesh_>retrospectacus, :) sorry for my bad english :D
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15:20<rajesh_>so, is there mutual contribution of kernel developers and debian, or only one body probides them?
15:21<devil>rajesh_: that very much depends on the manufacturer
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15:21<devil>Broadcom e.g. is mostly proprietary
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15:23<rajesh_>so devil, does the manufacturer provides driver for broadcom devices? if yes, whome they provide for - kernel developers or debian team?? I am just curious after seeing this: .
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15:24<rajesh_>btw, the screenshot is not mine, I am using debian only
15:25<devil>rajesh_: the firmware blobs for proprietary drivers like the ones from Broadcom and most other wlan hardware is considered non-free and was banned from the debian kernel last year
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15:36<rajesh_>lets consider non proprietary opensource nvidia device. If I install that device in my system, and then install debian OS 7. If my device is still asking driver to to run. what should I assume? 1. My OS doesnt has the driver, or my kernel doesnt has the driver?
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15:39<cubanito>hola a todos
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15:39<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:52<devil>rajesh_: please adress me if talking to me, i live in multiple channels
15:52<rajesh_>oh, sorry
15:52<rajesh_>yes, I was talking to you only
15:53<devil>rajesh_: if you use a nvidia card, you have 2 options: nouveau is the free driver, re-engeniered and gets better all the time. the other option is the nvidia driver, mostly needed if you are a gamer or need rxtensive 3D for other reasons
15:54<ompaul>and let the confusion reign
15:54<devil>extensive even
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15:54<devil>rajesh_: the nvidia driver is non-free and proprietary
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15:55<cubanito>existe un canal para compartir musica
15:55<dpkg>hmm... debian is See
15:55<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:57<rajesh_>devil, but my question is, who actually provides the driver, kernel or OS or both?
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15:58<rajesh_>correnction: devil, but my question is, who actually provides the driver for a system, kernel or OS or both mutually?
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15:59<devil>rajesh_: for free drivers the respective community, for non-free tghe manufacturer of the hardware
15:59<devil>rajesh_: or hwat do you mean by 'provide'
15:59<Brigo>rajesh_: what is the kernel and what is the OS for you?
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16:01<rajesh_>devil, by providing, I mean, where is the device driver code written for installation of the same device? Kernel or OS
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16:02<rajesh_>Brigo, for me, OS is Debian and kernel is linux
16:02<devil>rajesh_: i still do not understand your question
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16:02<Brigo>rajesh_: well, debian provides the kernel ....
16:03<devil>rajesh_: the code for nouveau, the free driver is written by its respective upstream developers and is used by linux distributions through kernel modules
16:03<devil>rajesh_: the non-free nvidia driver is written by nvidia developers and provided to linux distrbutions as binary blob
16:04<Brigo>rajesh_: Drivers, in linux, are called modules and loads when needed for the kernel.
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16:05<Brigo>if you need a module and is not in the kernel, you must get it from away, mostly internet.
16:05<Brigo>Or may be the module is distributed for your distribution, debian for us.
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16:07<rajesh_>devil, ok I think I only partially understood... let me give you an example. Lets say if I run Mint or Ubuntu, it uses Linux kernel 3.x and Debian uses Linux kernel 2.6. When I install Mint, it automatically installs Broadcom drivers, but in Debian, the device is not detected.. Now what should I change, the kernel or the OS? Hope your understood my question now.
16:08<devil>rajesh_: as i said, debian has banned all non-free modules from the kernel last year
16:09<rajesh_>you still didnt understood my question :(
16:09<rajesh_>Does debian also contribute to kernel development?
16:09<devil>rajesh_: if freedom means something to you, use debian,. you can activate non-free in sources.list and have your wlan working
16:10<devil>rajesh_: of course it does
16:10<devil>rajesh_: if you want the easiest user-experience without being concerned with DFSG, then use something else
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16:11<devil>rajesh_: technicaly, with debian, to use your braodcom wlan, activate non-free and install the driver
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16:11<devil>debian will not do that for you
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16:12<devil>rajesh_: and youz should work on your ability to boil questions down to what you realy want to ask :)
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16:15<rajesh_>ok, let me try one last time plz
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16:16<rajesh_>debian contribute to kernel that is listed in right?
16:16<rajesh_>and so does other distros like redhat and ubuntu
16:16<devil>and many conmpanies also
16:16<devil>even Microsoft
16:16<EdePopede>hi, does debian have a program that at least can play midi files on a normal pc? last time i used midi with a keyboard was with ms-dos...
16:16<rajesh_>doesnt they all fight with each other, whether to include propitiatory drivers or not?
16:17<ompaul>rajesh_: no
16:17<devil>rajesh_: debian BANNED prop. drivers. how often do i need to say that?
16:17<ompaul>rajesh_: this is not the place to research that, join us in #debian-offtopic if you want to go to school
16:17<devil>EdePopede: apt-cache search midi
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16:18<EdePopede>apt-cache search midi vs. aptitude search midi Oo
16:18<devil>EdePopede: things like timidity come to mind
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16:19<EdePopede>as i mentioned: ms-dos was the default OS on ibm compatible PCs in those days..
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16:19<EdePopede>never used this
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16:22<EdePopede>open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory <<< do i need a specialmidicard as i had 15,20 years ago?
16:23<EdePopede>i tried playmidi btw
16:24<blast007>EdePopede: try timidity like was mentioned by devil
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16:24<blast007>it's a software synthesizer
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16:25<EdePopede>nice, timidity $file works
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16:27<EdePopede>but where are the sounds? on the soundcard or in the software? (remember, my last usage of midi included an extra midi card)
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16:28<EdePopede>i remember i used the internal sounds of a SY22, they were better than those on the soundcards
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17:12<lonewlf>so I started to ask the question to get some input out on freenode
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17:12<lonewlf>but they directed me here
17:13<lonewlf>What's the new hotness?
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17:13<lonewlf>I've figured out that my last 'fresh' install of an OS was in Dec 2010
17:13<lonewlf>I'm ready to go
17:13<lonewlf>my 23 month trial is done
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17:15<lonewlf>seriously, no one has an opinion on this?
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17:16<lonewlf>I've never even seen Debian 6. stable
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17:16<wgreenhouse>lonewlf: what are you trying to ask?
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17:21<retrospectacus>lonewlf: yeah... make more sense please
17:22<devil>lonewlf: debian 7 is not too far
17:22<devil>lonewlf: so what is the question?
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17:26<EdePopede>my /ety/apt/sources.list says Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.0 _Squeeze_ – /etc debian_version says 6.0.6 – installed from a dvd from last february
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17:28<retrospectacus>EdePopede: what's your question?
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17:29<EdePopede>no question, was meant as a kind of answer to lonewlf
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17:29<EdePopede>so wheezy has a release date?
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17:31<retrospectacus>"not too far", or "in a few months" are good guesses. The accurate answer is "when it's ready" :)
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17:31<EdePopede>state of wheezy: 42
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17:32<devil>EdePopede: rather 413
17:32<microcluster>i'm searching for a web server solution for small business ??????
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17:32<Maulkin>Where's the extra 10 come form?
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17:32<devil>microcluster: nginx. lighthttpd
17:32<EdePopede>anyway, far better than what firefox does atm ^^
17:33<devil>Maulkin: 413 RC bugs
17:33<microcluster>devil, sorry, a webmail server
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17:34<lonewlf>I was just trying to get some justified opinions on what distributions folks recommended
17:34<retrospectacus>we recommend debian, here in #debian
17:34<dcpc007_>hehe :)
17:35<lonewlf>that's what I was expecting
17:35<retrospectacus>good coz it's the best
17:35<lonewlf>I just wanted to find out why
17:35<dcpc007_>there's no BEST only one distrib
17:35<lonewlf>its got a great package management system
17:35<dcpc007_>many paramaeters to take in
17:35<retrospectacus>!tell lonewlf about why debian
17:35<dcpc007_>yes, debian + : packages management and stability
17:35<lonewlf>now we're talkin
17:36<dcpc007_>Debian + (or - sometimes) free softs
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17:36<dcpc007_>afeter sometimes Debian problematics (like for me, i'm on a big project to reinstall all servers inour society)
17:37<lonewlf>I did have a bad exp with debian in 2006... it upgraded my X and it was impossible to downgrade...probably _I_ did it, but I seem to remember running stable and having frozen my x packages... always so many variables
17:37<lonewlf>have been happily running ubuntu for 2 years now... but it annoys me and I've been thinking of going back
17:37<lonewlf>to running debian on my primary station
17:37<dcpc007_>i would try Debian again (not used since 3.5.....) for application server and some stations
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17:37<lonewlf>and I was thinking about that too
17:38<lonewlf>I've had a good experience running redhat for work
17:38<dcpc007_>depend, i think after many read : Ubuntu more for personnal use, Debian more for servers
17:38<devil>dcpc007_: did you aver look at fai to roll out debian to lotzs of boxen?
17:38<dcpc007_>basic ...
17:38<lonewlf>or course they're all.. restrictive as per what I can break...
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17:38<lonewlf>devil, he may have, but I haven't
17:38<lonewlf>let me grok it real quick
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17:39<dcpc007_>lonewlf : debian evolve a lot since 6 years, in organisation especially
17:39<dcpc007_>devil : don't understand
17:39<lonewlf>devil, it sounds like a dream
17:40<retrospectacus>,i fai
17:40<devil>dcpc007_: i referred to: (like for me, i'm on a big project to reinstall all servers inour society)
17:40<judd>No package named 'fai' was found in squeeze/i386.
17:40<lonewlf>devil, I just used the web kickstart to install several kvms of centos
17:40<devil>dcpc007_: fai helps with that
17:41<dcpc007_>ha (fai is for internet acces societ ? scuse french :) )
17:41<lonewlf>retrospectacus, I wholly support everything debian has to offer, I just was thinking that ubuntu may be the better workstation or even centos
17:41<lonewlf>I'm just not sure on stuff anymore
17:41<dcpc007_>no i just take back computer dpt with a small team
17:41<lonewlf>and wanted some weigh-ins
17:41<dcpc007_>and all is very very old
17:41<dcpc007_>like AIX 5.2, opensuse 9.x 10.x
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17:41<dcpc007_>centos 5
17:42<retrospectacus>devil: mhmm I am somewhat familiar; I thought it was in debian though
17:42<dcpc007_>and i have to update all, and work on a more organied structure
17:42<lonewlf>porting from each individual linux distro is going to be application dependent
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17:42<lonewlf>can't just 'install debian' and away you go
17:42<lonewlf>a lot of stuff is dependent on archaical 'features' (read bugs)
17:42<devil>retrospectacus: i thought so to. it is done by a debian guy anyways
17:42<dcpc007_>for application servers and infrastructure i think it'll be very good (just have to learn back all debian :) )
17:43<retrospectacus>lonewlf: I run debian stable on all my machines - servers, cluster, workstation, laptop, home theatre
17:43<dcpc007_>but i have a scientific dpt ...
17:43<dcpc007_>with non free applications andpaid support
17:43<dcpc007_>and near all of them break support if i use debian
17:43<dcpc007_>because they only support RH and suse .... -(
17:43<themill>"support" in the loosest sense of the word in any case
17:44<dcpc007_>As debian has no commercial entity ... no contract, then no support
17:44<dcpc007_>and we have a big need of support for such specific and sometimes experimental softwares
17:44<themill>There are lots of support companies that will provide paid support for Debian including consultancy companies that are run by Debian Developers
17:44<lonewlf>retrospectacus, applications I use are... in order of frequency (I think) X, firefox, xchat, bitchx, screen, yakuake, kvm, sabnzbd, lottanzbd, sickbeard, plexmediaserver
17:44<dcpc007_>like thermoanalytic softs
17:44<lonewlf>retrospectacus, do any of those ring any bells as problems with debian?
17:45<retrospectacus>just bitchx
17:45<lonewlf>retrospectacus, is there a hardware compatibility guide I can look at for debian that will tell me if my videocard is suported?
17:45<lonewlf>retrospectacus, yeah, scrollz won or ircii
17:45<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat> for alternatives. To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>.
17:45<dcpc007_>lonewlf: i don't know all appalications but debian will be good fr all standard softs
17:45<devil>lonewlf: maybe we should take this to #debian-offtopic
17:45<dondelelcaro>lonewlf: we support pretty much everything that X does
17:45<microcluster>devil, so i can install debian + nginx?
17:45<dondelelcaro>lonewlf: if you don't need opengl or similar, your card will almost certainly work fine
17:45<retrospectacus>lonewlf: probably, and the answer is almost certainly "yes"
17:46<devil>microcluster: why not?
17:46<lonewlf>devil: I just got kicked off of freenode #debian as this channel for a more proper venue
17:46<lonewlf>devil, I think I have what I was after anyway
17:46<devil>lonewlf: yes, but your topic is not really support related and as it generates some traffic....
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17:47<dcpc007_>lonewlf: and for debian you have mainly 2 choices : use very very stable version, but no real update for 2 years .. or mid-approch : use testing debian : which get a good stability (testing is not experimental, but much .. "tested")
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17:47<themill>you wouldn't roll out testing to non-technical users or on servers
17:47<devil>for that there is unstable ;)
17:48<dcpc007_>lonewlf, the beter thing : try (livecd first, next double boot or virtual machine)
17:48<microcluster>devil, i'm searching for a greate and rock solution for my office - nginx can work by itself?
17:48<dcpc007_>themill:yes but eem that it's for a personnal use in the case of lonewlf
17:49<lonewlf>themill, dcpc007 is correct
17:49<dcpc007_>devil: don't need only system support, but software support
17:49<devil>microcluster: by itself? it's a webserver
17:49<dcpc007_>themill: then debian stable is ok, but maybe too strict or "old"
17:49<themill>dcpc007_: compared to rhel. hahaha.
17:50<lonewlf>devil: freenode gave me the idea that oftc was for 'social' debian talk and who knows better than debian users why debian, my initial phrasing was off, please don't hold that against me, and as I stated, I'm pretty sure I have what I came for
17:50<dcpc007_>themill: i think testng is a very good alternative for personnal use and for user with basic computer experience
17:50<lonewlf>all, thanks for your input, I appreciate it :)
17:50<themill>dcpc007_: as I said, the reality of "support" for 3rd party software on things like rhel and centos is that they say "oh, it should work, you're doing it wrong, have another go, please give us lots of money now". You may as well pay a DD to do it properly for you.
17:50<dcpc007_>themill: i don't speak supprort fro RH
17:50<dcpc007_>themill: but from the soft editors we paid
17:51<devil>lonewlf: there is #debian for support and #debian-offtopic for stuff that is not straight support related and for anything else
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17:52<dcpc007_>themill: because thoses are very specific softs, and if i go debian for thoses specific computers ... i will loose them :-(((
17:52<dcpc007_>but very boring for me to think : go debian for servers, and Centos/RHEL for scientific workstations
17:52<lonewlf>devil, my thanks
17:53<dcpc007_>double work and knowledge to get net install deployement, updates, centralized configurations ...
17:53<dcpc007_>i try to get as much users in my case as possible, but hard
17:54<dcpc007_>some answers they found how to install some of thoses applications on debian (but sometimes a hard work !!!)
17:54<dcpc007_>other softs i don't found
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17:54<dcpc007_>but real question is the editor support -(
17:55<dcpc007_>they are friendly, but if a real problem, they'll can just answer : debian not supported, and i'll be dead :) (users won't wait :o) )
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17:56<dcpc007_>(yeeees i found my keybord 10finger training application !!!!!!! t last : klavaro ! pfiou.... old memory ...)
17:56*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
17:57*devil stops ponting, my arm started getting heavy
17:58<xaevian>is anyone able to help me troubleshoot not being able to select the native monitor resolution? it was working perfect and then went to a non-native resolution after a reboot. the option to select resolution just simply isn't there.
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17:59<microcluster>devil, i'm not a network admin
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18:00<devil>xaevian: what does 'xrandr | grep -i max' as user say
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18:02<dcpc007_>lol "Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1200, maximum 8192 x 8192" for me (laptop)
18:02<dcpc007_>native for me is 1920 x 1200
18:02<dcpc007_>automatically configured at install
18:03<microcluster>devil, is hard to configure nginx?
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18:03<xaevian>devil, minimum 320 x 200, current 1360 x 768, maximum 2048 x 2048
18:04<devil>xaevian: is that a notebook?
18:04<xaevian>devil, no
18:04<devil>xaevian: hm, what graphics card and driver?
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18:06<xaevian>devil, intel 845 GV with normal intel driver
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18:07<devil>xaevian: how is that not a notebook?
18:07<dcpc007_>microcluster, don't know but here a Squeeze tuto for nginx/php5 :
18:07<xaevian>devil, it was working beautifully for months and then broke somehow. no updating it or anything. it's a dimension 2400 desktop
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18:08<devil>xaevian: never knew intel had discrete graphic cards
18:08<devil>xaevian: check if you are really using intel and not vesa
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18:11<microcluster>dcpc007, i know it was only a question? thanks for link
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18:12<dcpc007_>but think at working on wheezy not squeeze, wheezy freezed then very near to go to "stable"
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18:12<dcpc007_>microcluster, squeeze near to go to "old version"
18:13<microcluster>dcpc007, i'm using squeeze with some new upgrade, wheezy is not stable yet?
18:13<retrospectacus>you have 1 year to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy after wheezy is stable. It's not recommended to do so before.
18:14<dcpc007_>microcluster, not look since 2-3weeks but no
18:15<dcpc007_>microcluster, wheezy freezed : no new package will be added, but final test before release it
18:15<microcluster>i don't want compromise the system
18:15<microcluster>yes i know
18:15<xaevian>devil, my xorg log says intel driver and vesa is loaded. not sure how to tell which driver is actually in use
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18:15<dcpc007_>yes but if like me it will be for new servers, better to look for the latest versions. (think my project can't be started before 2013 :o) )
18:15<devil>xaevian: pastebin the complete log
18:16<microcluster>dcpc007, about server, debian is a good solution?
18:16<devil>microcluster: definitely
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18:16<dcpc007_>microcluster, ho yes, unless specific needs (like softs supported :o) )
18:17<dcpc007_>microcluster, and at least really free with a very good comunity
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18:17<dcpc007_>microcluster, go look on official web site there is many very good docs to read can guive you mine, i found french ones ;)
18:18<microcluster>every time i make this question there's always the same answer...
18:18<dcpc007_>microcluster, but docs like what is debian, its structure, goals, release strategy,... is very interesting
18:18<microcluster>debian is the best
18:19<dcpc007_>depends what, today, i got a soft vendor at work for a demo
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18:19<dcpc007_>they tell me yes, personnaly ithink that debian very goood, maybe the best
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18:19<agaida>microcluster: in a rhel chan you would read the same about rhel
18:19<dcpc007_>but really, don't think use it for our applications
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18:19<agaida>but debian is a very good choice for a server.
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18:21<dcpc007_>yes, and same, i must work on SAP and Oracle upgrade, and here ... for Debian ....
18:21<microcluster>is there a neutral point of view about the linux distro?
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18:21<dcpc007_>they will force me to use RHEL .. and with (expensive) paid support
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18:22<Dheath>I noticed that I seem to be missing a chipher (/proc/crypto) which I would need. to be spesific the serpent one is missing. what is the standard way of adding the missing chiphers in debian? I'd rather not start compiling every kernel my self.
18:22<themill>dcpc007_: I think you've made that point now. Time to move on.
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18:23<dcpc007_>microcluster, neutral : i don't think o) best to do is the study the difference, and try to collect informations, and after look what the best for what you have to do
18:23<devil>xaevian: i have to run, you are using intel, but your prob is related to line 140 ff.
18:23<devil>EDID info from screen might be wrong
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18:24<xaevian>devil, thank you
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18:26<microcluster>dcpc007, i have no time to study all the diffence, so i ask to professional person, maybe like you, to have an idea about the debian and/or other distro
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18:27<dcpc007_>microcluster, then like other i think go to debian, and a great pleasure and help here
18:27<microcluster>dcpc007, i tried different distro and definitely move to debian
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18:27<dcpc007_>microcluster, then you have your answer :)))
18:28<retrospectacus>we have the best support channel :)
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18:29<microcluster>dcpc007, befare create a fisical server, it's a better idea test it on virtual machine?
18:30<dcpc007_>microcluster, yes as i told you before :)
18:30<dcpc007_>microcluster, but if you have a phisical server free to test, then you can go too :)
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18:32<microcluster>dcpc007, i must test a web server for my office, for hosting, mail etc.
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18:32<dcpc007_>depends what you can do :o) phy of virtaul are all goods :)
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18:36<microcluster>dcpc007, so there's some software to add to a debian server?
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18:38<dcpc007_>microcluster, you have a very big pool of applications from Debian ! and more in "external" repository :o
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18:38<dcpc007_>try to start with minimal install (better and simplier) and to add just what you need piece by piece
18:39<dcpc007_>and WRITE WHAT YOU NEED each time
18:39<dcpc007_>so you can reinstall minimal server with all what you nedd easly
18:39<dcpc007_>and less package means, smaller servers, and more secure servers too
18:40<agaida>dcpc007_: and keep in mind that debian is not certified for sap nor oracle
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18:41<dcpc007_>agaida, yes, that' why i told for that case Debian not the best .... then i'll have to work with multiple OS if i use Debian on others servers
18:42<agaida>for all other needs debian servers are great
18:42<retrospectacus>I installed oracle on debian once... I was *dismayed* that the insaller required a graphical environment to run in. A few days later I nuked that VM
18:43<dcpc007_>yes oracle installer use always jav gui
18:44<dcpc007_>don't depends on dein or Redhat
18:44<retrospectacus>so lame
18:44<dcpc007_>no choice, or don't use oracle ..
18:44<dcpc007_>and installing oracle on debian need soeme big tricks
18:44<retrospectacus>ehh it worked ok, I just hated it
18:44<dcpc007_>it chek first if you are on a supported OS
18:45<dcpc007_>i see some tutos ... pfiou :)
18:45<dcpc007_>ok, thx all, see you tomorrow maybe ust sleep 01h00 here
18:45<retrospectacus>there's always a choice.. if someone "needs" oracle, choose someone else ;)
18:46<microcluster>it's important for me a complate compatibiltiy with win and mac for my server
18:46<dcpc007_>lol hard to change some main applications in society ... and i'm not the ruler :)
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18:46<dcpc007_>microcluster, windows no problem, mac, no idea
18:46<dcpc007_>bye all
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18:47<microcluster>dcpc007, thank a l ot
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18:47<retrospectacus>microcluster: for webmail? it's a webpage, the clients use a browser. What incompatibility can you imagine?
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18:49<microcluster>i'd like to have the possibility to download data from ipad
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18:51<microcluster>retrospectacus, yes if the client use win the ipad can comunicate with it, so no problem!
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18:54<retrospectacus>well I run several mailservers on debian (qmail, horde, courier-imap) and it works fine with all clients - ipads, phones, win, mac, linux
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18:55<retrospectacus>as long as the client and server both speak the protocol (SMTP,IMAP,POP,HTTP and their secured friends ???S ) it will work
18:56<microcluster>retrospectacus, yes of course, i make a wrong question.
18:56<retrospectacus>of course it takes configuration of each service and client
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18:57<microcluster>retrospectacus, in a classroom a server debian can comunicate with ipad?
18:58<microcluster>retrospectacus, no webmail server
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19:01<retrospectacus>microcluster: what kind of server, then?
19:01<retrospectacus>what service
19:02<microcluster>retrospectacus, multimedia classroom
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19:02<retrospectacus>that's not a service
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19:05<microcluster>retrospectacus, for backup service?
19:06<retrospectacus>there are many kinds of service that could be used to back things up
19:06<retrospectacus>ssh, rsync, samba, ftp ....
19:06<microcluster>always for ipad
19:06<microcluster>so the problem doesn't exist
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19:07<retrospectacus>you lost me
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19:08<microcluster>ciao giacomo
19:08<retrospectacus>microcluster: English only here.
19:09<microcluster>ops sorry
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19:09<retrospectacus>microcluster: I don't know what you are wanting to do. You want a server. Something about an ipad. ????
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19:11<microcluster>retrospectacus, i work with school and a teacher ask me for a server able to comunnicate with ipad
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19:11<lonewlf>microcluster, but communicate in what way
19:11<themill>microcluster: what does "communicate" mean? send love letters to each other?
19:11<microcluster>retrospectacus, it's not clear for me what she want to do
19:12<lonewlf>microcluster, for backups, the ipad uses its own icloud its in the settings
19:12<retrospectacus>ping? send email? read websites? ....
19:12<lonewlf>microcluster, for email, you just create a mail server and punch the settings into the ipad and bam there you have it,
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19:12<lonewlf>microcluster, she needs to be more clear on what she needs
19:12<lonewlf>microcluster, is common problem with 'she'
19:12<retrospectacus>years ago I had an iPhone. It worked fine plugging into my debian workstation... servers are not for plugging your iPad into.
19:13<microcluster>the teachers haven't clear idea about computer and hot it works
19:13<lonewlf>retrospectacus, microcluster, and if its for 'syncing' it has to have itunes and that means having windows or mac last I checked, not linux
19:13<microcluster>lonewlf, i tell her the same thing
19:14<retrospectacus>I would never use iTunes
19:14<microcluster>lonewlf, and that she done a bad choise
19:14<retrospectacus>I always just dragged mp3s onto the iphone drive. Like a normal person
19:15<lonewlf>microcluster, so... there's that then
19:15<microcluster>yes question close
19:15<lonewlf>retrospectacus, that was the iphone, the ipad 'requires' itunes
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19:15<retrospectacus>in that case I require no ipad
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19:15<retrospectacus>which is fine
19:16<microcluster>of course
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19:18*retrospectacus has airdroid on his android phone - no need to ever plug in
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19:31<TadekMocarzz>hi where is address/phone/irc of php company
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19:32<retrospectacus>what do you mean, "company"
19:33<TadekMocarzz>im already banned from freenode #php, dont have time for proxy
19:33<TadekMocarzz>i need to contact them their php is broken
19:33<TadekMocarzz>it is not possible to compile it
19:34<TadekMocarzz>php5ts.dll.def : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol xmlXPathCompiledEvalT
19:34<TadekMocarzz>Release_TS\php5ts.lib : fatal error LNK1120: 1 unresolved externals
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19:34<TadekMocarzz>it is seriously broken
19:35<retrospectacus>this is #debian. we don't compile things, we use apt-get install
19:35<abrotman>uhm .. it's also broken on Windows ...
19:35<TadekMocarzz>i need help
19:35<TadekMocarzz>or i kill php company
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19:35<abrotman>so ask their mailing list, asking about PHP on Windows is not a topic for this channel
19:36<TadekMocarzz>i dont have time for mailings
19:36<TadekMocarzz>where is good channel then
19:36<abrotman>##php on
19:36<TadekMocarzz>im banned
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19:36<microcluster>goodnight to all
19:36<TadekMocarzz>and they didnt helped me before i was banned
19:36<retrospectacus>you seem to have an attitude problem, that's probably why
19:37<retrospectacus>goodnight microcluster
19:37<TadekMocarzz>how can u dont have attitude problem when ur trying to compile this garbage but its not working because its garbage
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19:37<abrotman>TadekMocarzz: we do not support PHP on Windows .. see for support options
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19:38<retrospectacus>TadekMocarzz: good luck and have fun!
19:38<tina>does Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2180 @ 2.00GHz support kvm virtualization?
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19:39<abrotman>tina: has really good docs about CPU specs
19:39<retrospectacus>tina: grep kvm /proc/cpuinfo should tell you
19:39<tina>I don't saw vmx flags
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19:39<retrospectacus>vmx, that's it
19:40<retrospectacus>then no
19:41<lonewlf>retrospectacus, you've convinced me finally
19:41<lonewlf>I am at home in #debian
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19:41<lonewlf>I will be reinstalling debian :)
19:42<lonewlf>you all were so polite to that poor man.
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19:42<lonewlf>he's standing behind me isn't he
19:42*abrotman wonders if that's sarcasm ?
19:42<lonewlf>not really no
19:43<lonewlf>but then again
19:43<tina>retrospectacus abrotman so thanks
19:43<lonewlf>tina: you can still virtualize with virtualbox or something
19:44<lonewlf>tina, but the other processor is required
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19:45<abrotman>tina: FYI, ttp://
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19:47<tina>yes, so no other way to virtualize using this box, right?
19:47<lonewlf>tina: that's wierd its listed has being multi-cored and multi-threaded
19:48<lonewlf>it may be something that you have turned off in the bios too
19:49<lonewlf>I had that happen with one of the earlier intel machines I was on
19:49<lonewlf>and dual core I guess is pretty early
19:49<lonewlf>now a days anyways
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19:51<lonewlf>tina, the more I google, the more I think you need to check in your BIOS to see if its just disabled
19:51<lonewlf>tina, do you know what BIOS you have by chance?
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19:52<retrospectacus>I think it's the "VT-x" advanced feature at the bottom he/she wants - the page says that CPU doesn't do it
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19:52<tina>I need to check..
19:52<shawny>has anyone ever played with openCRX?
19:52<tina>I agree with retrospectacus
19:53<retrospectacus>shawny: probably someone... you?
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19:53<tina>althought my poor knowledge
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19:54<lonewlf>tina, retrospectacus, you are right
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19:54<lonewlf>dailylinux, see, see, I'm not the brightest bulb
19:55<lonewlf>tina, however, depending on what it is you want to do... I mean, if you're married to kvm as the solution... if you're just testing something and want to be able to virtualize it... virtualbox does do it
19:55<lonewlf>it all depends on ones goals
19:55<lonewlf>I wouldn't recommend running any servers in there
19:55<lonewlf>but a quick check to boot an live dvd or somesuch and virtualbox is the man
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19:56<tina>never tried virtualbox, it works textmode?
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19:56<devil>it's using wine in the background
19:56<devil>ups. ssorry
19:57<devil>i am thinking of something else
19:57<devil>just ignore me :)
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19:58<dpkg>For resources concerning the use of Debian as a host for virtual computers, or as a guest within a virtual computer, see . Also ask me about <hyper-v>, <kvm>, <linux-vserver>, <lxc>, <mol>, <openvz>, <pearpc>, <qemu>, <user mode linux>, <virtualbox>, <virtual pc>, <vmware>, <xen>, <xve>, <ksm>.
19:58<retrospectacus>tina: ^^ there are a lot of options
19:59<lonewlf>I remember pearpc
19:59<lonewlf>sort of
19:59<lonewlf>vmware existed before the vmx stuff
19:59<tina>which options don't need vmx flags?
20:00<lonewlf>I suggest some light reading
20:00<lonewlf>but I'll go try
20:00<retrospectacus>tina: unknown. anything in <brackets> you can ask the robot dpkg about: /msg dpkg xen
20:01*lonewlf is out of time for now, "See you all later" :)
20:01<tina>never mind
20:01<retrospectacus>ciao lonewlf
20:01<tina>thx lonewlf
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20:02<tina>I wanted to install kvm.. don't want other
20:03<tina>thank you all
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23:37<crypticmofo>is #debian on oftc the offical debian support ?
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23:38<LtL>crypticmofo: it's official
23:38<crypticmofo>lol LtL
23:38<crypticmofo>both chans
23:38<crypticmofo>i need to add this chan to my networks
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23:41<LtL>crypticmofo: irssi is in backports, if thats your style
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23:43<LtL>crypticmofo: theres firmware-linux firmware-linux-free and firmware-linux-nonfree
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23:45<themill>(keeping the questions in one channel or other is a good plan too)
23:46<LtL>themill: yeah, sorry 'bout that.
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