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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-11-09

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00:13<reazem>any awesome users here?
00:14<reazem>I would like to map ''page up'' and ''page down'' as hotkeys, but I cant find the value to type in the config file
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00:19<simonlnu>try <PgUp>/<PgDn>
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00:34<reazem>simonlnu, it turned out to be Next and Prior. Someone from freenode#ubuntu showed me a program named xev that helped me find that out, but thanks!
00:35<simonlnu>ah yes. of course. xorg doesn't use pgup/pgdn
00:36<reazem>I really like awesome so far. saves me plenty of time, without inconvenients really.
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01:43<kilelme>is there any channel related to Raspberry?
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02:24<Thorgrin>kilelme: yes, there is. Uncle google should have told you that, but since you ask so nicely, it is at freenode, channels #raspberrypi and #raspberrypi-dev
02:25<kilelme>Thorgrin: i check on raspberry website and i not find it.. thank you verry much for your help
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02:27<Thorgrin>kilelme: server is
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02:28<kilelme>Thorgrin: yes... i check there.. because they said can use with debian so i ask here.. maybe in oftc avaiable channel like #debian-raspberry :-)
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02:32<dpkg>The Raspberry Pi is an open hardware design for a tiny PC based on a Broadcom system-on-a-chip, requiring <non-free> <firmware>. The regular Debian squeeze, wheezy etc <armel> ports work fine on the Raspberry Pi but don't use the Pi's hardware floating point support. Debian's <armhf> port (wheezy onwards) targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it.
02:32<jm_>some details here too
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02:34<Thorgrin>maybe the reference to the raspberry irc could be added
02:34<bones_was_here>the raspi isn't really open hardware, it requires a proprietary graphics driver
02:35<kilelme>jm_: i cannot found detail about irc channel
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02:42<jm_>ahh someone already modified it and I am going wtf :)
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02:46<kilelme>jm_: what you mean?
02:47<peter1138>wonder if i'm likely to see my raspi any time soon :S
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02:48<jm_>kilelme: never mind
02:48<kilelme>jm_: ok.. thank for your help :-)
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02:51<jm_>kilelme: but if you want to see what I meant -- /msg dpkg raspberry pi
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02:53<kilelme>- /msg dpkg raspberry pi not giving any value.. but /msg dpkg raspberry it some detail about irc channel .. before it nothing about detail irc channel.. (sorry if my english bad)
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02:56<jm_>raspberry is just a redirect to "raspberry pi", so rather strange
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02:58<kilelme>jm_: i see.. but i don't understand it... it for dpkg explain?
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03:00<jm_>kilelme: both should deliver the same answer, and they do it for me, no idea what's going on on your end
03:01<kilelme>jm_: hmm.. i don't know..
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03:07<stefan877>I want to enable framebuffer on an Freescale i.MX 257 CPU, therefore I set in kernel commandline: "... console=fb0 video=imxfb:SVGA-LCD" is this all? On start there are lines in different colors on the display, but only for 0.5 seconds, after this display is black. second thing: does someone know a documentation about imxfb? I have no official doc found.
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03:12<jm_>stefan877: that's not x86, right?
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03:14<stefan877>jm_: ARM with debian squeeze
03:14<jm_>stefan877: yeah, I was wondering cause it didn't show up for me inkernel config, and there's nothing about it in Documentation/fb either
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03:26<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
03:26<roughnecks>uh, he left
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05:44<txomon>hi, debian lenny which kernel version uses?
05:45<perlwizard>txomon you should update
05:46<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.6-trunk-686-pae (3.6.4-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.32-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.2.23-1~bpo60+2); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
05:46<babilen>!tell txomon about lenny
05:46<txomon>perlwizard, I know, but I have no option, I have to be able to execute a 2.6.23-rc7 in the machine
05:46<babilen>txomon: Why is that?
05:47<perlwizard>txomon why?
05:48<txomon>babilen, we work in that kernel (in not over)
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05:49<babilen>txomon: I would recommend to ... well ... target another kernel version in your development. Either way, neither squeeze nor lenny supports that kernel version (and I am quite sure that no current distro does) ... Targeting a release candidate is also an interesting choice :-/
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05:50<babilen>txomon: But to answer your question: lenny uses 2.6.26 and is completely unsupported nowadays (*no* security support at all)
05:50<nevyn>embedded platform stuck on ancient kernel?
05:51<babilen>nevyn: Which would hardly be "Debian" then
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05:51<nevyn>well debian-embedded?
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06:07<txomon>babilen, we use that kernel because we rescued the project which has been stopped for 5 years. At the moment we need to test it, and we are using debian etch
06:08<nevyn>rescued... yeah.
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06:08<txomon>I plan to migrate it... but pfff. Things have changed _a_ _lot_ in networking processing
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06:12<daemonkeeper>txomon: What exactly are doing? "Networking processing" and using an obsolete and vulnerable kernel sounds inherently dangerous. I know straight out of my head at least 2+ remote root exploits for your kernel I'm aware.
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06:13<txomon>daemonkeeper, no problem. it is not connected to internet
06:13<txomon>is just for testing
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06:13<txomon>not production (we have no product)
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06:15<daemonkeeper>And what is blocking you to upgrade to a kernel which is not ... 8 years old?
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06:30<ectospasm>what a lousy excuse. Why use an outdated Debian distro for testing? Does your intended audience use that old software?
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06:51<White_Rabbit>hi! I'd like to hibernate my debian testing with lxde.
06:51<White_Rabbit>The wiki says I just need to add my user to the powerdev group. It looks like there's no powerdev group in my system.
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06:57<jm_> doesn't mention that
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07:00<White_Rabbit>jm_ you're absolutely right: I was looking at lxde's wiki
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07:02<SynrG>powerdev was used before policykit, i think
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07:03<SynrG>White_Rabbit: is dbus running? do you have udisks installed?
07:04<SynrG>how did you start your lxde session?
07:04<SynrG>(gdm, some other *dm, something else?)
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07:05<White_Rabbit>SynrG: xdm
07:05<SynrG>xdm doesn't set up your session properly. don't use that
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07:05<SynrG>try gdm instead
07:06<SynrG>there's a reason the lxde metapackage (in squeeze) recommends gdm
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07:06<SynrG>oh, you said testing, hmm
07:07<SynrG>gdm pulls in quite a lot more dependencies in wheezy than squeeze
07:07<SynrG>you could use lightdm
07:07<SynrG>that's what the new metapackages recommend
07:07<SynrG>by the way, testing/unstable support is on #debian-next, as per channel topic
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07:09<White_Rabbit>SynrG: thanks :-)
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07:15<niels1>the "slim" display manager should set up the session correctly, too
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07:16*txomon just has been authorized to migrate to v3.6
07:18<perlwizard>from old & mossy RC to experimental
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07:21<daemonkeeper>perlwizard: Experimental in Debian.
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07:28<De_ja_wu>#! /bin/bash
07:28<De_ja_wu>#./skrypt_wielkosc_plikow katalog
07:28<De_ja_wu>if [$#-ne 1};then
07:28<De_ja_wu>echo 'zla liczba parametrow'
07:28<De_ja_wu>echo './skr8 123' exit
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08:12<pajaro>whats the proper way to find out what mta i have installed?
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08:12<pajaro>i checked out postfix exim4 and nullinstaller and none of those is installed
08:12<pajaro>i cant remember what did i touch xD
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08:13<pajaro>i looked for it with update-alternatives --get-selections but i cant find mta there anywhere either
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08:13<jm_>aptitude search '~i ~Pmail-transport-agent'
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08:14<pajaro>ssmtp, cool
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08:14<pajaro>thank you jm_
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08:15<jm_>pajaro: no wories
08:15<jm_>(without typos)
08:15<niels1>pajaro, it's probably not using alternatives. i think it's using diversions
08:16<pajaro>diffence between alternatives and diversions is that with diversions there cant be 2 installed at the same time?
08:16<niels1>(since it's not very useful to have two mtas installed at the same time)
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08:17<niels1>well, yes, that's one difference. and the way it is done behind the scenes is a little different, too
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08:24<pajaro>niels, i can find out about alternatives with update-alternatives... how about find out about diversions?
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08:24<niels1>pajaro, dpkg-divert --list
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08:54<pajaro>niels, dpkg-divert does not know about ssmtp... you sure is a diversion?
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08:58<niels1>pajaro, if it brings its own sendmail executable, it will most probably divert sendmail
08:59<pajaro>nielsl, dpkg-divert --list|grep mail shows nothing :/
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08:59<niels1>anyway, gotta go
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08:59<pajaro>k nielsl, thank you ;)
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09:01<andre>good morning everyone int the roon
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09:02<andre>I woner install python version storm in 0.19 in linux mit smooth
09:04<andre>I'm new on the beach and not far domino and dowloadede the file.Deb but when i click ope the folder with 2 folders one with the new usr and DEBIAM
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09:06<babilen>,v python-storm
09:06<judd>Package: python-storm on i386 -- sid: 0.19-1; wheezy: 0.19-1
09:06<babilen>antono: That ^^^ ?
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09:07<nstbit>November 2012
09:07<babilen>nstbit: I don't quite follow ...
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09:07<babilen>nstbit: This is *not* a test channel. Please take it elsewhere :)
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09:17<anonxartos>hello, where can i find so basics of ubuntu?
09:17<SynrG>!ubuntuirc anonxartos
09:17<dpkg>anonxartos: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
09:17<anonxartos>just two ppl on ubuntu channel :(
09:18<SynrG>wrong server. read the instructions above
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09:25<Lirodon>I noticed someone reverted the default desktop back to Gnome. Is there a reason why?
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09:26<Maulkin>Lirodon: It was never moved away.
09:26<Lirodon>uhh, it was on GIT. It had changed to XFCE
09:27<Maulkin>Lirodon: Can you point to where it was ever uploaded to Debian?
09:27<SynrG>the rationale for the git change was "it doesn't fit". they made it fit.
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09:27<SynrG>problem solved
09:27<Maulkin>Lirodon: Or where it was asked to be unblocked for wheezy?
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09:27<Lirodon>But XFCE is much better as a solid desktop than Gnome 3.
09:27<babilen>Lirodon: Check the repository -- That change was reverted before every release. It has never been uploaded into the archive (and will most likely not be uploaded for wheezy)
09:28<SynrG>if you think (or heard) there was some other reason for it, that was justification after the fact
09:28<babilen>Lirodon: then use xfce and be happy
09:28<Lirodon>Yeah, the whole 700MB thing
09:28<SynrG>there was never a desire to replace it with a "more solid desktop"
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09:29<Lirodon> have you read this?
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09:29<SynrG>do you want to just rant now?
09:29<SynrG>maybe better for #debian-offtopic
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09:54<pajaro>so gnome is default desktop again for jessi now?
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10:03<Calinou>it was always the default DE
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10:03<Calinou>the netinst always used gnome as default
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10:38<wgreenhouse>does anyone really think that Debian's "defaults" matter?
10:38<wgreenhouse>apparently, I guess
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10:38<wgreenhouse>they are extremely weakly enforced preferences. which is excellent.
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10:45<pajaro>wgreenhouse, while weak defaults are awesome of debian... and while i dont care much myself for myself... but defaults matter a lot
10:46<pajaro>check out this ted talk about optin and out...
10:46<pajaro>basically it comes to say that whatever default is what end up being use...
10:46<Maulkin>---> #debian-offtopic please
10:47<pajaro>nothing else to add anyway :)
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10:48<Calinou><wgreenhouse> they are extremely weakly enforced preferences. which is excellent.
10:48<Calinou>DE is a strong default
10:49<pajaro>Calinou, he means it can be changed very easily
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10:51<wgreenhouse>Calinou: I meant, for example, default mta is exim but this hardly matters as all the alternatives are equally well supported and usable. same for desktops.
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10:51<wgreenhouse>it is not the same story everywhere in the *nix world, and it is a thing I appreciate about Debian
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11:04<joseph-soares>when I install Debian Wheezy, is there how to crypt my home folder?
11:07<EmleyMoor>joseph-soares: The installer can encrypt pretty much the whole disk, if you wish.
11:07<EmleyMoor>If you do want to encrypt only part, then you will probably need to do manual partitioning
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11:11<joseph-soares>EmleyMoor, When I was installing Ubuntu I saw that's possible to make a crypted partition, but in debian installation I didn't see that information
11:11<joseph-soares>EmleyMoor, I want to keep my Home, a separated partition of root ( / ), crypted
11:12<melmothX>the installer support that
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11:14<joseph-soares>melmothX, Where do I see this option when installin?
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11:15<melmothX>joseph-soares: I did that with the installer for squeeze a while ago, but the option was listed somewhere. Read carefully
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11:17<babilen>joseph-soares: The partitioner supports that -- Read (you want DM-CRYPT/LUKS)
11:17<joseph-soares>melmothX, thanks, I'll try now
11:17<babilen>joseph-soares: In particular discusses the configuration of encrypted volumes
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11:20<chris>why my web in xubuntu is so slow
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11:20<chris>the same account
11:21<joseph-soares>melmothX, babilen I'm looking in a Virtual Installation. I think I found it. It say that will use dm-crypt, is it right?
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11:21<chris>when I use win7 or ubuntu, web is ok
11:21<gnugr>chris:here is only debian support channel
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11:26<melmothX>jagerman: dm-crypt+luks
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11:27<melmothX>joseph-soares: dm-crypt+luks
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11:28<Dark_Ghost>i am having an issue installing nvidia drivers. debian 6, clean install.
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11:29<babilen>Dark_Ghost: Please elaborate. How are you installing the drivers and what issues do you have? Please provide relevant output on
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11:30<Dark_Ghost>i am using the debian method, as listed on the wiki. i don't seem to have an Xorg.conf to edit.
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11:32<Dark_Ghost>it's just not there. so i am going to have to make one, and that's proven a little tricky.
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11:32<babilen>Dark_Ghost: The wiki page is horrible and a clusterfuck of a bad article that causes endless support ... How did you install the driver? Note that we (and the wiki page!!) recommends to use DKMS
11:32<joseph-soares>melmothX, Is there any difference with system behavior after installing crypted directories? will ask for crypt password and the user account together?
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11:32<babilen>Dark_Ghost: Which card do you have?
11:32<Dark_Ghost>i5-2500k/geforce 560 gtx/asus p8z68-v
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11:32<babilen>Dark_Ghost: Thanks
11:33<Dark_Ghost>sorry for the tmi, i had it preloaded incase someone asked. 8)
11:33<babilen>that's ok ... better too much information than too little
11:33<babilen>How did you install the driver?
11:33<melmothX>joseph-soares: it will ask the passphrase at each boot. Then the boot continues as normal, asking the user's password
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11:33<Dark_Ghost>i've been using linux for less than a week, so i am very new.
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11:34<joseph-soares>melmothX, What happen if type in-valid passphrase?
11:34<Dark_Ghost>chmod +x *.run; *.run (* is the name of the nvidia driver file i got from the nvidia site. 304.something)
11:34<melmothX>it will ask 3 time, then will continue without mounting /home
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11:35<babilen>Dark_Ghost: Ah, ok. That is the worst you could have done and totally unsupported by us.
11:35<Dark_Ghost>babilen, that figures.
11:35<babilen>Dark_Ghost: I am sorry and we would have told you so if you came here earlier. But don't despair! We can fix that :)
11:36<Dark_Ghost>i have friends who are far better versed in linux that give me "advice". i love them but they aren't newb friendly.
11:36<babilen>Dark_Ghost: Give me a second and I will talk you through that. I am busy on another channel and have to do a little bit of research. (thanks for the patience)
11:36<Dark_Ghost>oh.. lol.. dispare.
11:36<Dark_Ghost>this is the 3rd distro i've tried.
11:37<Dark_Ghost>i hated ubuntu for unity and didn't like it much better under gnome. tried opensuse with kde. now i am here. and i like debian. just gotta get it working
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11:38<Dark_Ghost>despair. man, i can't spell.
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11:40<Dark_Ghost>babilen, thank you for your help. would it be easier for everyone involved if i just reformat/reinstall and dropped by after that?
11:40<babilen>Dark_Ghost: Ok. Can you work on the box in question while chatting with me here?
11:40<AnDsO>how can i create bootable usb device using debian net install 64 bit iso image
11:40<babilen>Dark_Ghost: Yeah, that would make a few things easier. It is, however, not absolutely necessary as we can (probably) repair the damage by the NVIDIA installer.
11:41<Dark_Ghost>at the expense of cleaning my desk, yes.. ;) be back in 10mins'ish? (setting up laptop)
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11:41<babilen>Dark_Ghost: It really depends on what you want to do. Do you have access to your Debian installation right now? (i.e. can you paste output of commands?)
11:42<AnDsO>i have access
11:42<babilen>!tell AnDsO -about usb install
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11:43<babilen>AnDsO: I was talking to Dark_Ghost (hence the "Dark_Ghost:" at the beginning), but just follow the instructions from dpkg to create it.
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11:54<Dark_Ghost>babilen, i have the amd64 netinst dist ready to boot as necessarry. and given i am no pro with commands it might be easier on all parties to just reinstall. (after i get the irc info)
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11:55<babilen>Dark_Ghost: Ok. To be honest I am not entirely sure what to recommend. Your hardware needs newer versions of certain core components (kernel, nvidia driver) which is *not* in squeeze (current stable release).
11:56<simonlnu>for the kernel
11:57<Dark_Ghost>ok. so i have to do a base install, then a kernel update?
11:57<simonlnu>nvidia he can get along with vesa or whatever else until he gets some more recent nvidia stuffs
11:57<Dark_Ghost>simonlnu, i can't seem to get above 1024x768, which is fine for chat but websites these days are murder. 8D
11:57<babilen>Dark_Ghost: We have an installer disk that comes with a newer kernel and I would just use that. You can download it from (the squeeze-custom-amd64-0315.iso one) and install it.
11:57<simonlnu>bad design...
11:58<babilen>!tell Dark_Ghost -about kmuto
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11:59<babilen>Dark_Ghost: After you've installed that you can pull in a newer version of the NVIDIA driver that is packaged in Debian from backports. (/msg dpkg backports) If I remember correctly the kmuto installer already configures the backport repositories, but just follow if it does not
12:00<babilen>Dark_Ghost: You would, essentially, add "deb squeeze-backports main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list
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12:01<babilen>Dark_Ghost: You need to install kernel headers and the nvidia driver from backports which can be done by running "aptitude -t squeeze-backports -r install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 nvidia-kernel-dkms"
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12:02<Dark_Ghost>babilen, i'm going to have to do this one step at a time, but it's definately good to have some idea what i am doing going into it.
12:02<babilen>Dark_Ghost: Having thus installed the driver (it should successfully compile the kernel module for the 3.2 kernel you are using if you installed with the kmuto installer) you can create a (minimal) configuration file with the following command: "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" (create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory) and "echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf"
12:04<babilen>That should result in a configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ called "20-nvidia.conf" with content that looks like
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12:05<Dark_Ghost_Lappie>Dark_Ghost, elo
12:06<babilen>Dark_Ghost: I would also recommend to ask our bot about documentation. In particular <introduction> <overview> <general cli tutorial> <backports> <empty xorg.conf> <xorg.conf.d> -- (use "/msg dpkg introduction" here in IRC)
12:07<babilen>Dark_Ghost: You might also want to read the excellent in due course
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12:09<babilen>Dark_Ghost: Regarding the "add backports to sources.list" step. It *might* be that you already have an entry for backports in there but that it lacks the "contrib non-free" at the end which allows you to install non-free (as in speech) software. If that is the case just add "contrib non-free" at the end. In either case you have to run "apt-get update" to synchronize the package index from the online repositories
12:09<Dark_Ghost>ok, thats going to be ALOT of information. most of which is going to be lost when i format. gimme a sec to txt it to my other self.
12:09<babilen>Dark_Ghost / Dark_Ghost_Lappie: Guess your brain is smoking a little bit now :)
12:09<babilen>Dark_Ghost: I can paste a log somehwere
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12:10<babilen>no, everywhere but on
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12:11<simonlnu>slow sometimes, and they do odd things now
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12:12<babilen>Dark_Ghost: 0.0.3 0.0.6 no
12:12<babilen> 0.2.1 0.2.2 no
12:12<Dark_Ghost>i am making one now and pasting it to myself.
12:12<babilen> 0.1.1 0.1.1 no
12:12<babilen> 0.2.0-RC1 0.2.0-beta10 no
12:12<babilen>Sorry :)
12:12*babilen quiets himself
12:12<simonlnu>wtf hehe
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12:13<babilen>Dark_Ghost: Good luck and see you later!
12:14*simonlnu was wondering what clojure had anything to do with this
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12:30<TPC>hi, I installed valgrind but it won't work, its complaining about not finding debug information for glibc, which it shouldn't since I have libc6-dbg installed
12:30<TPC>any ideas what could be wrong?
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12:50<jcrowgey>hey deb room, i've got an issue with multiarch, when i try to upgrade with apt-get upgrade, i get dpkg error, libc6 needs to be unambigious and it's not. i had this issue a few weeks ago with gcc, there was some command to issue to fix it, but i couldn't seem to turn it up on the web (and can't remember where i found it before), any suggestions?
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12:54<retrospectacus>jcrowgey: hang around for more than 1 minute
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13:07<bobweaver>How does one file a bug in debian ?
13:08<dpkg>reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web,, or see for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>.
13:08<bobweaver>I was asked to file bug then make change to changelog
13:08<bobweaver>thanks retrospectacus
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13:09<Calinou>bobweaver: --
13:10<Calinou>example basic bug report that will "just work"
13:10<Calinou>note: you must send it in plain text mode, not in HTML
13:10<bobweaver>thanks yeah I have to change something in ~/.reportbug so that "reportbug" will work
13:10<bobweaver>because I am on Ubuntu
13:11<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc bobweaver
13:11<dpkg>bobweaver: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
13:11<retrospectacus>we have no idea, ask a ubuntu channel
13:12<bobweaver>that is what I do not gett abut all this. The *only* reson that I am trying to get package into debian is so that it will make its way to Ubuntu
13:12<bobweaver>where is the line in the sand
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13:13<Maulkin>bobweaver: You need to be running Debian to do that basically - you need to use "reportbug wnpp"
13:13<Maulkin>bobweaver: Also, you should go ask in #debian-mentors
13:13<Maulkin>bobweaver: That's the right channel for new packagers.
13:13<Calinou>bobweaver: noone forces you to use reportbug
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13:16<bobweaver>Thanks Maulkin and Calinou sorry if I was straight about the question. I just thought that if I am a dev and I make a app or find upstream that is not in Ubuntu or debian. I thought that the right thing to do was to get it into debian 1st. out of respect. So I am sorry just new to debian I am on menttors channel now thanks again
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13:18<Maulkin>bobweaver: Thanks for your contribution!
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13:23<bobweaver>np Maulkin bug has been filed and I am going to file bug on "reportbug" in Ubuntu so that python libs are installed for filing bug for debian. that was annoying having to install extra libs well filing bug had to start over and over again. But again Thanks for all your help it was cool of you =)
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14:16<Airwave>I'm doing some partitioning changes, and I've booted up from a Parted Magic Live CD to back everything up first. Is it safe to back up the disks (e.g. "dd if=/dev/sda") even though there are partitions on that disk that are part of active raid devices?
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14:16<Airwave>None of the file systems on said raid devices are mounted.
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14:18<Airwave>Should I rather back up the raid(s) that the disks make up instead (e.g. "dd if=/dev/md0")?
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14:38<Cluster>Hey all. I have an asus N61J laptop and i can't figure out Why it's getting so darn hot with Debian. For some reason, no matter if i limit the processor, up the fan to run some faster, it still gets hot as a fire. On Win7bleuugh it doesnt get this hot, while running a higher load. I've searched and searched and searched (x100), but i still found a fix. (if it exists at all, cause it's a 'hybrid' laptop.) Thanks for any info!
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15:21<rgms>Hi. I'd need to compress a video file (mkv) from 4GB to maybe 2GB. This would have to be done in the cli. Any ideas?
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15:23<blast007>rgms: ffmpeg can probably help out with that, though you'd have to experiment with it a bit to find the right settings to use.
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15:24<rgms>I'll look into it, then. Thanks for the help :)
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15:40<perlwizard>what's a recommended pastebin CLI tool
15:40<perlwizard>pastebinit or ?
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15:47<retrospectacus>perlwizard: <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>
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15:53<self>anyone knows what are the main differences in Ubuntu vs Debian?
15:54<self>what are the main ones?
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16:00<retrospectacus>!tell self about why debian
16:00<retrospectacus>self: that is off topic here though
16:02<Serverket>anybody here?
16:02<retrospectacus>hi Serverket ... please ask your Debian question
16:02<retrospectacus>you can see that there are hundreds here
16:03<Serverket>I have one
16:03<Serverket>I have this issue with installing some dependences
16:03<Serverket>specially with gcc
16:03<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
16:03<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
16:04<Serverket>I think you meant this sudo apt-get install xutils-dev xutils libxext-dev build-essential xautomation xinput xserver-xorg-dev
16:04<Serverket>Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
16:04<Serverket>Creando árbol de dependencias
16:04<Serverket>Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho
16:04<Serverket>No se pudieron instalar algunos paquetes. Esto puede significar que
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16:10<retrospectacus>!tell Serverket about paste
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16:10<retrospectacus>!tell Serverket about localized errors
16:10<Serverket>could you help me?
16:11<retrospectacus>Serverket: hi again. Please read what the robot said to you in another window
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16:11<Serverket>ok, sorry, I'm new here
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16:13<Serverket>I will set my language to English by first then make this all and back.
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16:18<lonewulf>Is there anyone on that could assist me with integrating Bitdefender into nautilus?
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16:21<devil>if I'd ever seen nautilus....
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16:22<lonewulf>devil, if you are using an unmodified gnome desktop then nautilus is the file browser.
16:22<retrospectacus>I know nautilus but "bitdefender" appears to be a windows AV software so....
16:23<devil>lonewulf: never did
16:23<lonewulf>devil, Allow me to guess KDE
16:23<jeremiah2>aw c'mon, Linux gets a lot of Windows viruses.
16:23<devil>kde/razor-qt atm
16:23<jeremiah2>Or should I say virii?
16:23<devil>you should :)
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16:24<lonewulf>devil, I tried KDE did not really care for it to much.
16:24<devil>lonewulf: on production systems I never used anything else
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16:26<lonewulf>jeremiah2: I share a lot of files between windows and linux it is better safe then sorry. Also while viruses are not as prevalent in linux they do still exist.
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16:26<lonewulf>devil: I am just using it for home/educational purposes.
16:26<Ichabod>lonewulf: use clamAV
16:27<Ichabod>which is a native linux application
16:27<Ichabod>specifically tailored for the unix market
16:27<Ichabod>it also rocks
16:28<lonewulf>I do as a back up but as bitdefender found one that clam missed it is worth it not being FOSS.\
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16:29<jeremiah2>lonewulf: Windows is a different operating system. GNU/Linux will not run executables compiled for Windows.
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16:30<jeremiah2>lonewulf: So you are much better off using something like ClamAV which Ichabod mentioned
16:30<jeremiah2>lonewulf: Because it is designed for Linux
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16:31<jeremiah2>You may also want to look at chkrootkit and rootkit hunter
16:31<jeremiah2>iptables might also be useful.
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16:32<jeremiah2>But it is much more important to know what the daemons on your machine are susceptible to rather than configuring a firewall and its false feeling of security.
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16:33<lonewulf_>jeremiah2: I know and understand this, however if I have a file that is infected with a windows virus and I am on linux then transfer it to a windows pc it will be infected.
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16:35<LtL>lonewulf_: very possible, yes
16:35<agaida>lonewulf_: VM with windows and a good av prog
16:35<agaida>Clamav is crap.
16:36<jeremiah2>lonewulf_: So why not integrate a virus scanner in something that is in front of your network?
16:36<lonewulf_>LtL: This is what I am trying to prevent.
16:36<Serverket>sorry, I'm having too much travel with changing the language, is enough with this.
16:36<jeremiah2>I guess I don't understand your use case.
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16:36<Serverket>could I just explain the issue in simple words?
16:36<lonewulf_>jeremiah2: example please?
16:36<LtL>lonewulf_: what file is carrying this virus
16:36<retrospectacus>Serverket: sure... on one line.
16:37<jeremiah2>lonewulf_: Well, don't you want your router blocking stuff? Like all open ports but 22 or VPN?
16:37<Serverket>build-essential depends of g++ but I won't install
16:37<lonewulf_>LtL: I currently do not have one but with the virus rate for windows it is bound to happen eventually right?
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16:38<Serverket>build-essential depends of g++ but It won't be installed*
16:38<LtL>lonewulf_: not very likely unless you transfer executables, and those should be scanned and cleaned by the win box
16:38<retrospectacus>Serverket: not enough info. run: LANG=C apt-get install build-essential # copy the output to and give us the URL of your paste
16:38<jeremiah2>lonewulf_: What LtL said.
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16:39<retrospectacus>lonewulf_: install AV on the windows machine. Done. Not a debian question
16:39<lonewulf_>LtL: Has there not been past cases where there has been a small trojan hidden with in a video or music file that then replicates and infects everything.
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16:39<LtL>Serverket: aptitude why-not build-essential
16:39<jeremiah2>lonewulf_: Like what?
16:40<LtL>Serverket: or aptitude why-not g++
16:40<lonewulf_>retrospectacus: I run AV on my windows.
16:40<Airwave>I'm doing some partitioning changes, and I've booted up from a Parted Magic Live CD to back everything up first. Is it safe to back up the disks (e.g. "dd if=/dev/sda") even though there are partitions on that disk that are part of active raid devices?
16:40<jeremiah2>I can't think of anything like that, but perhaps.
16:40<Airwave>None of the file systems on said raid devices are mounted.
16:40<Airwave>Should I rather back up the raid(s) that the disks make up instead (e.g. "dd if=/dev/md0")?
16:40<Serverket>I sent the paste
16:41<lonewulf_>jeremiah2: there has been files found on youtube that have had a small .exe embedded in the video.
16:41<jeremiah2>Airwave: The if (i.e. input file) is not your worry, it is the of (output file that you have to worry about.)
16:41<jeremiah2>Airwave: That is what is going to write data
16:41<jeremiah2>or overwrite as the case may be
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16:42<Airwave>Well yeah, I'm aware. I'm piping it to gzip and putting that gzipped file on another storage area.
16:42<jeremiah2>Oh okay.
16:42<LtL>Serverket: fix broken fisrt i think its, `apt-get -f install`
16:42<lonewulf_>jeremiah2: those files do not happen very often as the require a fare bit of programming but I have heard of a few cases similar.
16:42<Airwave>But is there any risk in copying from an active raid, in that there might be changes happening to it during the copying process?
16:43<jeremiah2>lonewulf_: Okay, perhaps you're right, I'm not really sure (obviously.)
16:43<Serverket>you mean... apt-get -f install g++?
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16:43<LtL>Serverket: just apt-get -f install
16:43<jeremiah2>lonewulf_: But it seems an awful lot of trouble to install a Windows scanner on Debian
16:43<jeremiah2>For very little return
16:43<lonewulf_>jeremiah2: all I am saying is that it is better "to have a gun and not need it then to need one and not have it"
16:44<jeremiah2>But I don't run Windows so I should probably shut up
16:44<LtL>Serverket: the try build-essential again
16:44<Serverket>it shows nothing newer 0 update, 0 installed...
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16:44<Serverket>same result
16:44<retrospectacus>lonewulf_: you will never need it
16:44<LtL>Serverket: broken packages?
16:44<jeremiah2>Serverket: What does 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list' say?
16:44<Serverket>I use nano
16:45<jeremiah2>Good for you.
16:45<lonewulf_>retrospectacus: the "gun" or AV?
16:45<jeremiah2>I use emacs
16:45<retrospectacus>lonewulf_: yes
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16:45<Serverket>I know, I don't make stallman to feel happy using nano
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16:45<LtL>Serverket: ive never seen build-essential fail, do you have a desktop with synaptic
16:45<Serverket>Do I paste sources.list?
16:46<jeremiah2>Serverket: Who cares about rms?
16:46<jeremiah2>I want a working editor.
16:46<lonewulf_>jeremiah2: I am trying to remove my "Winblows" virus also but I have yet to achieve this.
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16:46<jeremiah2>nano is doggy doo
16:46<jeremiah2>lonewulf_: We don't even use it at work
16:46<LtL>Serverket: go ahead paste sourse.list
16:46<retrospectacus>Serverket: on
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16:47<lonewulf_>jeremiah2: firstly I am using "Winblows" less and less, secondly where do you work that only uses Unix based OS's?
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16:48<Serverket>I have the same question
16:48<Cayne-afk>is there a way to retrieve a unintentially delted file ?
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16:48<Serverket> sources.list
16:48<retrospectacus>Cayne: yes, from your backups
16:48<Cayne>the backup wasnt done properly and it deleted the file :-/
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16:49<Serverket>I have been changing it since I have this issue, at first I had just first 4 repositories
16:49<retrospectacus>Cayne: "it"?
16:49<jeremiah2>retrospectacus: lol
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16:49<Cayne>yes I did a backup with a delte of the old files because Im moving servers
16:49<Airwave>jeremiah2: Well, I ended up backing up both the raid devices and the HDD devices that contain said raid, just to be sure.
16:50<Cayne>and it delted the file without backing it up
16:50<jeremiah2>Airwave: Sounds sensible to me. :)
16:50<lonewulf_>jeremiah2: have you guys gotten FOSS to work in the ford line of vehicles?
16:50<retrospectacus>!tell Cayne about undelete
16:50<jeremiah2>lonewulf_: Not yet :)
16:50<LtL>Serverket: try apt-get install build-essential
16:50<retrospectacus>best of luck
16:50<jeremiah2>But I know Ford is moving away from Windows
16:50<Airwave>Takes a few extra hours, but it's worth it just in case.
16:50<lonewulf_>jeremiah2: damn...:)
16:51<jeremiah2>Ford actually is working with buglabs to develop an easy way to access vehicle info
16:51<Maulkin>jeremiah2: It's not exactly polite to call software which you may personally not like 'doggy doo'
16:51<LtL>Serverket: without the LANG=C
16:51<jeremiah2>Maulkin: That is a fair statement. But I am not always polite I'm afraid. :(
16:51<Serverket>yes, same
16:51<lonewulf_>jeremiah2: really that is cool. I have been noticing more and more places are moving into the FOSS world
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16:52<jeremiah2>Especially when my fingers do Ctrl-x and nano mumbles at me, literally.
16:52<Maulkin>jeremiah2: How would you feel if someone called your projects useless?
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16:52<jeremiah2>Maulkin: Well. I'd feel a little sad. Then I'd think how stupid the person was. And I'd feel better.
16:52<retrospectacus>Serverket: LANG=C apt-cache policy g++ on please
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16:53<jeremiah2>lonewulf_: There is already some open source software from BMW too, check out
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16:54<jeremiah2>And the Linux Foundation has a "Automotive Grade Linux" working group.
16:54<Maulkin>jeremiah2: At least I don't use a dying technology (QT) when trying to push inclusion in the GENIVI system base.
16:54<Serverket>I never used paste.debian before, never thought that I would use it so many times
16:54<Maulkin></troll> :)
16:54<jeremiah2>Maulkin: heh
16:54<jeremiah2>Maulkin: Nicely played. :)
16:54<jeremiah2>How do you know I'm _that_ Jeremiah?
16:55<jeremiah2>There are lots of Jeremiah's
16:55<Maulkin>jeremiah2: /whois me.
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16:55<jeremiah2>My IRC fu is weak.
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16:55<retrospectacus>Serverket LANG=C apt-get install g++
16:56<jeremiah2>.oO(must think up a cool nick)
16:56<Serverket>same, broken packages
16:56<retrospectacus>Serverket: show us
16:57<jeremiah2> 779 debootstrap --arch i386 squeeze /srv/chroot/squeeze http://ftp.
16:57<jeremiah2> 780 debootstrap --arch i386 squeeze /srv/chroot/squeeze
16:57<jeremiah2>oy, sorry
16:57<jeremiah2>Now you know what I'm secretly doing
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16:58<retrospectacus>Serverket LANG=C apt-get install g++ g++-4.4
16:58<jeremiah2>Maulkin: Did you write nano?
16:59<jeremiah2>I don't mean to slag it off, it is excellent software. Its just my fat fingers that are the issue. =)
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16:59<Maulkin>jeremiah2: No. Really not.
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16:59<Maulkin>jeremiah2: <-- Neil McGovern. That should be clue enough about what I do with Debian. And Genivi :)
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17:00<jeremiah2>Yeah, I did a whois too. :)
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17:00<jeremiah2>You're a debian legend, but I didn't know you were involved with GENVII.
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17:00<jeremiah2>Maulkin: And why is Qt dying?
17:01<retrospectacus>Serverket: so gcc-4.4 (= 4.4.5-8) but 4.4.7-3 is to be installed
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17:01<Maulkin>jeremiah2: Perhaps we should go to /msg :)
17:01<retrospectacus>Serverket: you have already a newer version of GCC than squeeze
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17:02<Serverket>I have the normal repo
17:02<retrospectacus>Serverket: LANG=C apt-cache policy gcc-4.4
17:02<Serverket>nothing testing or sid as far I know
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17:03<retrospectacus>yeah. see, you have 4.4.7-3 installed
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17:04<retrospectacus>squeeze has only 4.4.5-8
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17:05<Serverket>well... the source of this is that I wan't to install wizardpen, so I says I need some
17:05<Serverket>xutils-dev xutils libxext-dev build-essential xautomation xinput xserver-xorg-dev
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17:05<Serverket>that's want I need to compile and run
17:06<Serverket>but this problem shows
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17:07<retrospectacus>Serverket: LANG=C aptitude why gcc-4.4
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17:12<retrospectacus>well... I'm guessing you installed a new kernel or some program using stuff from testing. You'll have to upgrade to testing fully or... I don't know. maybe adding backports would help.
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17:12<jeremiah2>Yeah, sounds like mixing two versions of debian somehow
17:12<jeremiah2>Like testing and stable.
17:13<Serverket>is there another way?
17:13<mju>Serverket, retrospectacus: according to gcc-4.4.7-3 is from unstable... (Just saying.)
17:13<Serverket>I really want to keep my current system
17:13<retrospectacus>you also have some strange and "q3alive" stuff in sources that might be causing the problems
17:14<Serverket>really, I love how it works
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17:14<Serverket>do you think so?
17:14<Serverket>q3alive is just form gaming stuff
17:14<retrospectacus>no idea
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17:14<mju>Serverket: you could try to downgrade gcc.
17:15<Serverket>It could make it work?
17:16<retrospectacus>Serverket: LANG=C apt-get install gcc-4.4=4.4.5-8
17:16<Serverket>I just need it to compile this
17:17<Serverket>this is not working
17:18<retrospectacus>Serverket: LANG=C apt-get install gcc-4.4=4.4.5-8 gcc-4.4-base=4.4.5-8
17:19<retrospectacus>that probably won't work either but eventually we'll get there
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17:20<Serverket>I thought my easypen could work without installing all those things, just plug and play
17:21<Serverket>like other devices
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17:21<mju>Serverket: I would just try to remove gcc first, and then install it again.
17:21<Serverket>I thought that
17:22<Serverket>so, remove current gcc
17:22<mju>But be careful that apt does not remove important packages you want to keep.
17:22<Serverket>install older
17:22<mju>Don't know. I guess it will tell you.
17:22<mju>I just assume there is a reason you have that gcc installed.
17:22<moss>Hey guys! I need some help installing Debian. After I boot from my flash drive my screen looks like this I then hit enter to try to text install but my screen is still hosed. Any ideas? thanks!
17:23<Serverket>I think in something like... apt-get --purge remove gcc gcc-4.4.5-8+, is that right?
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17:23<retrospectacus>Serverket: apt-get remove gcc-4.4
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17:24<garn32>what is a good RIAD card, no interested in software RIAD, for debian? Looking to just run RAID 1.
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17:25<mju>No errors?
17:25<retrospectacus>Serverket: LANG=C apt-get install gcc-4.4=4.4.5-8
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17:25<Serverket>but... I dropped gcc-4.4...
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17:25<Serverket>there is an error
17:25<retrospectacus>or you coult try go straight to LANG=C apt-get install build-essential
17:26<retrospectacus>apt-get remove gcc-4.4-base
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17:28<crypticmofo>hey all .. ever since my install of debian booting to X my mouse just freezes .. reboot helps but that is it .. at this point im using the i3-wm and even then in a browser my mouse stops left clicking and i can't do anything .. any ideas ?
17:28<crypticmofo>im on squeeze
17:28<moss>Anyone have an idea? My screen for Debinstaller looks like this
17:28<SamB_Mac_>so ... if cruft comes up with a bunch of missing files in /etc, how should I get those ?
17:29<SamB_Mac_>crypticmofo: what kind of mouse?
17:29<crypticmofo>SamB_Mac_: touch pad
17:30<SamB_Mac_>crypticmofo: so you're not going to be able to tell me how it's attached or what brand it is, then
17:30<crypticmofo>SamB_Mac_: neg .. do you need any info from my system ?
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17:32<retrospectacus>Serverket: LANG=C aptitude why gcc-4.4-base
17:32<mju>Serverket: That is what is meant by: don't remove important packages. You want to keep gdm and some of those. :-/
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17:32<Serverket>you were right after all
17:32<mju>My guess is that at some point you had your sources.list pointing to unstable or so and installed some packages from there.
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17:34<retrospectacus>Serverket: LANG=C aptitude why gcc-4.4-locales
17:34<mju>Serverket: LANG=C apt-cache policy gdm
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17:35<retrospectacus>apt-get remove gcc-4.4-locales
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17:35<SamB_Mac_>crypticmofo: dunno, I'm currently trying to figure out why /dev/input/by-path/platform-pcspkr-event-spkr is symlink to ../event1 instead of to ../../event1 ...
17:36<retrospectacus>Serverket: and again try LANG=C apt-get install gcc-4.4=4.4.5-8 gcc-4.4-base=4.4.5-8
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17:37<SamB_Mac_>and how the PC speaker can qualify as an input device in the first place
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17:37<Serverket> again
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17:38<retrospectacus>hmm Serverket
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17:39<retrospectacus>Serverket: LANG=C apt-get install gcc-4.4=4.4.5-8 gcc-4.4-base=4.4.5-8 cpp-4.4=4.4.5-8 binutils libgcc1 libgomp1
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17:40<retrospectacus>you have some other stuff that is too new.
17:41<retrospectacus>libgcc1 libgomp1 and libstdc++6
17:42<Serverket>Thanks because you took many time helping me, do you think is a good idea (for me) upgrade to testing?
17:42<retrospectacus>remove them or add them to the install list with =4.4.5-8 for all
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17:43<Serverket>How It should be written? I want to learn but don't make a mess
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17:44<retrospectacus>Serverket: LANG=C apt-get install gcc-4.4=4.4.5-8 gcc-4.4-base=4.4.5-8 cpp-4.4=4.4.5-8 libgcc1=4.4.5-8 libgomp1=4.4.5-8 libstdc++6=4.4.5-8
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17:45<retrospectacus>Serverket: LANG=C apt-get install gcc-4.4=4.4.5-8 gcc-4.4-base=4.4.5-8 cpp-4.4=4.4.5-8 libgcc1=1:4.4.5-8 libgomp1=4.4.5-8 libstdc++6=4.4.5-8
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17:49<retrospectacus>Serverket: well, that will work! You'll lose emesene, fretsonfire, gimp, ccsm, minetest, soundconverter and all that though. You probably got those from a too-new repository
17:49<retrospectacus>you can try installing them again afterwards
17:49<retrospectacus>but you'll get an older version, or nothing
17:50<mju>Serverket: minetest is not in stable, I have not checked the other ones.
17:50<mju>So you'll loose that.
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17:57<cauchy>hi folks, can anyone point me to the latest status of the discussion what license applies to Debian's wiki? Are the articles published under a unified license, or is it true that every article can be made available under a separate license?
17:58<Serverket>but I love minetest
17:58<Serverket>I have to make a choise
17:59<mju>It seems to be in testing.
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17:59<retrospectacus>,checkbackport minetest
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17:59<judd>Backporting package minetest in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libjthread-dev.
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18:00<retrospectacus>too bad
18:00<Serverket>but it doesn't need gcc to work, so why is gcc related to minetest
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18:01<mju>Do you remember how you installed minetest?
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18:02<retrospectacus>prbably uses newer python stuff only in testing
18:02<Serverket>adding a sid repository then I put it off
18:03<simonlnu>cauchy: i imagine the wiki contains that info ;)
18:03<Serverket>I thought I wuoldn't affect there were just three packages to install
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18:03<Serverket>for minetest
18:03<cauchy>simonlnu: that would be great but it doesn't
18:03<mju>Serverket: I guess at the same time you somehow installed the never gcc.
18:03<simonlnu>dep hell...
18:04<simonlnu>cauchy: you sure? (surprise #2 for today if so)
18:04<retrospectacus>Serverket: minetest requires libstdc++6 >= 4.6
18:04<Serverket>and libstdc is related to gcc?
18:05<simonlnu>minetest also has an unfortunately blindered upstream
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18:05<simonlnu>i'm being polite ;)
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18:06<cauchy>simonlnu: i'm looking for something like "the wiki is licensed under cc-by-sa or something similar. If you have a link i will apologise. :)
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18:06<retrospectacus>Serverket: anyways there you have it. Press y and lose all that or type /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy
18:06<simonlnu>cauchy: usually on moinmoin that's at the bottom of every page. lemme see.
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18:07<mju>Serverket: you can still update to wheezy afterwards, and get minetest back.
18:08<simonlnu>more info cauchy
18:08<mju>Also, next time you might want to add a testing repository instead of a sid one, if your software is already in testing. ;-)
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18:09<Serverket>if I upgrade to testing would I loss minetest?
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18:10<retrospectacus>no but you'll lose gnome2
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18:10<Serverket>I use lxde
18:10<retrospectacus>and probably other things, you'd have to try it to see
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18:11<cauchy>simonlnu: well, i don't want to bother the wiki admins about this. :) But can't find something about copyright there either.
18:11<Serverket>I'll go for wheezy
18:12<retrospectacus>!tell Serverket about testing
18:12<retrospectacus>!tell Serverket about squeeze->wheezy
18:12<simonlnu>cauchy: i was thinking more like "follow the links to see if it leads somewhere useful for you"
18:12<retrospectacus>!tell Serverket about debian-next
18:12<Serverket>dpkg said it doesn't kno haha
18:12<dpkg>Serverket: I give up, what is it?
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18:13<dpkg>#debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (
18:13<retrospectacus>Serverket: he knows about all that... what did you ask him about?
18:14<Serverket>I wasn't
18:14<Serverket>asking him
18:14<Serverket>I'll go for stable
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18:15<Serverket>don't really sure of get in those ''bumpy rides''
18:15<retrospectacus>especially bumpy if you use a 3rd party video driver
18:16<Serverket>I do
18:16<TCW>I would never recommend testing/unstable to any user... but that said, nvidia works here like a charm (apart from being a pita in general)
18:17<TCW>and I am on unstable.
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18:19<Serverket>it said bumpy ride two times in same paragraph, that means something in general
18:19<cauchy>simonlnu: unfortunately no. AFAIK there isn't a unified license but i wonder why and why there isn't a big fat link which documents this
18:20<simonlnu>i find it odd - at least a "each page has its own license" blah blah
18:20<simonlnu>nothing big, just simple
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18:21<TCW>Serverket, that's why no-one would recommend testing/unstable... but most folks that run testing/unstable are rather happy with it. But true, you should be aware of the problems that come along every once in a while.
18:21<cauchy>simonlnu: yeah, i've seen this too, but it could be easier. I thought i've missed something important but maybe it was made on purpose ;)
18:22<simonlnu>*shrug* possibly
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18:22<mju>Also, wheezy is currently frozen.
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18:22<mju>So it should not change too much until it becomes stable in a few months.
18:23<TCW>yeah... but even in a frozen state... I wouldn't recommend testing
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18:23<TCW>it is just, IF you choose testing, be prepared to be on your own.
18:24<TCW>not that the folks on #debian-next would refrain from giving quality support then... but... you know :)
18:24<TCW>the overal "user-dumbness" does not mix well with testing ;)
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18:29<Serverket>I see
18:29<Serverket>So, thinking about this
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18:30<Serverket>my kernel must have same version that nvidia kmod, so, if I go testing, will my kernel upgrade too?
18:30<Serverket>because I don't want a darky screen...
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18:31<Alam_Lenny>if you build/install nvidia modules by dkms, then no, dkms should compile it for you
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18:31<TCW>Serverket, IF you go testing or even unstable... only do that if you are willing to learn on the way how to deal with it.
18:32<TCW>that means, don't complain if it breaks every once in a while, that is supposed to happen (more or less).
18:32<erann>if it breaks -> when
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18:33<TCW>btw. I never run testing, how do transitions work out there? Can be a real pita on unstable, I guess it can't be that hard on the user in testing?
18:33<Serverket>I got your point, and I'm very happy with my current system because I spent days taking it to what is now, and trust me, It was a lot of ''try and try again in a different way''
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18:33<retrospectacus>it's usually not as bad as what we did today though ... usually
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18:40<Serverket>googbye minetest :(
18:41<Serverket>I created funny dungeons in you, you made me laugh, :') but stability is more important...
18:41<Serverket>Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Y
18:42<mju>Don't purge the package and keep you game data.
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18:42<mju>Then, in few months, when wheezy becomes stable, you'll have your game again.
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18:44<Serverket>you're right, I'll wait
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18:45<Serverket>really, thanks to everyone who helped me, you're good people with many answers, that's why I like Debian so much, is not only a system, is a community
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18:48<retrospectacus>instead of a corporation
18:48<retrospectacus>that doesn't care about your stupid problems or how you want your computer to work, only the bottom line
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18:50<Serverket>yeah, every time I sent information to winbugs I'd never receive feedbacks
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18:53<crypticmofo> remember i told you about my mouse issue .. im using a touchpad and right now my trackpad mouse isn't working .. it was also doing this when i first did my install of debian .. its happening right now so is there anything right now you need from my system to troubleshoot ?
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19:02<crypticmofo>anyone ?
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19:03<dpkg>Synaptics is an driver for laptop touchpads. Install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; configuration tools include synclient and gpointing-device-settings. Not working? -> "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". . See also <clickpad>, <trackpoint>.
19:05<crypticmofo>retrospectacus: its installed already
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19:05<streuner>crypticmofo: you wasting our time
19:05<retrospectacus>I know nothing... just what to make the bot say
19:06<crypticmofo>ok .. let me deatch this session / restart X and i will do that
19:06<streuner>crypticmofo: using different servers on the same channel is pretty useless, because most of the regulars hanging in both channels...
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19:06<streuner>crypticmofo: does knoppix or grml working?
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19:07<crypticmofo>streuner: didn't know that .. i normally go to multiple chans in case one server is dead
19:07<crypticmofo>streuner: i don't have knoppix or grml
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19:10<streuner>crypticmofo: if a touchpad doesnt work, its an X issue, and you arent able to fix that easily by yourself...
19:11<streuner>just try knoppix or/and grml, and see its supported
19:11<crypticmofo>yea it was so wierd cause when i installed debian and booted to gnome it just didn't working .. intalling i3 didn't fix eaier
19:11<crypticmofo>streuner: if it works then what ?
19:12<streuner>your hardware is supported, and its a bug or /and a Debian x problem
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19:14<streuner>most known problems are reported in, if you lucky there is a workaround available
19:15<crypticmofo>streuner: im reading something and i just did a synclient TapButton1=1 and i can click on the touchpad and it clicks instead of hitting the actually hardware left and right button
19:17<streuner>crypticmofo: what kind of installer did you use, btw?
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19:18<streuner>crypticmofo: and the sources.list is only debian official sources? well, just get knoppix/grml and try it
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19:22<streuner>crypticmofo: anyway, you always need a live-CD/DVD
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19:23<vkaracic>why is building a package from source extra slower than using apt?
19:23<retrospectacus>apt downloads and installs (unpacks) pre-built packages
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19:23<retrospectacus>no compiling involved
19:24<streuner>vkaracic: Debian isnt Gentoo
19:24<vkaracic>I see. Ok, thanks!
19:24<vkaracic>streuner, what does that exactly mean?
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19:25<streuner>retrospectacus already told you :-P
19:25<streuner>dpkg, gentoosmite vkaracic
19:25*dpkg spends 5 days recompiling vkaracic, and when it's all done, vkaracic runs no faster than previously
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19:25<dpkg>Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. See also <diminishing returns on bogomips>. Hug a tree, use Debian!
19:26<vkaracic>damn :D
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19:28<vkaracic>compiling Qt takes forever, there should be a qt.deb file
19:28<retrospectacus>... of course there is
19:29<retrospectacus>vkaracic: what are you really trying to do?
19:30<streuner>sounds like he want compile KDE
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19:31<retrospectacus>that sounds like negative fun plus time wasted... also global warming
19:31<vkaracic>retrospectacus: I'm currently compiling qt libraries for linux, why?
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19:31<stderr>vkaracic: That's our question... Why?
19:31<retrospectacus>because of course debian ships with qt libraries
19:31<Serverket>thanks for helping me guys, goodbye, God bless you.
19:32<retrospectacus>also that isn't a *real* goal. it's an imagined prerequisite to a real goal
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19:32<vkaracic>... why didn't you tell me that before!
19:33<vkaracic>spent more than an hour compiling for nothing
19:33<vkaracic>oh well... there goes a huge chunk of ice...
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19:42<haylo>i see that the busybox version i have installed does not have fdisk, is there a .deb package for a more complete busybox version ?
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19:43<haylo>well a debian .deb package *
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19:49<devil>haylo: is'nt fdisk in util-linux?
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19:50<devil>at least apt-file search does not indicate busybox
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19:53<haylo>yeah it is, im just trying to make some scripts using busybox only tools for my minimal debian live build spin, and was surpried to find that my debian busybox version did not have all of the tools i see on their site
19:54<haylo>i guess the devs decided thats it was not worth using a full version of busybox
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19:55<haylo>You can set up a dhcp lease with debian busybok, but you cant make partitions or anything
19:55<haylo>which is fine, i just wanted to see if there was an other package that i was over-looking
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21:52<lonewulf>Hey will anyone sign my petition
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21:55<kiokushikai>pppd has security whole, observed under dialup, just info :)
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22:12<chomwitt>many manuals about debian networking refer to /etc/init.d/networking . Isnt that file depracated?
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22:20<sney>chomwitt, no
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22:20<sney>maybe it will be eventually once systemd drops but that's not for another releases or so
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22:23<chomwitt>sney: what about ifconfig ?
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22:26<sney>chomwitt, what about it?
22:26<kiokushikai>why dinosaurus die?
22:26<chomwitt>sney: isnt that depracated ?
22:27<sney>chomwitt, it's recommended to use ip, but ifconfig is sticking around for now
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22:54<simonlnu>kiokushikai: if you have such a report, you check/report with the BTS and security team.
22:54<simonlnu>!tell kiokushikai -about reportbug
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23:06<Airwave>I booted into a live CD to rename the md raid that my root and boot resides on, but when chrooted into the local system to update grub and the initramfs, I get an error upon running "update-initramfs -u": "mkinitramfs: for root /dev/dm-0 missing /sys/block entry".
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23:10<Airwave>Any ideas?
23:10<zafir>do I need one network card for each virtual machine to bridge on brctl?
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23:21<Airwave>Hmm. Guess I'll come back tomorrow.
23:21<Airwave>Good night all.
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23:38<kiokushikai>simonlnu just near feeling about being controled by my provider via tty, tty with wvdial was closed without my help, it can be reported?
23:39<kiokushikai>!tell kiokushakai -about reportbug
23:40<simonlnu>/msg the bot
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23:41<simonlnu>well, see if your peer closes the connection, and/or wvdial is configured to quit after that (dunno if that's possible, pppd can be set that way), then it could quit without intervention.
23:41<kiokushikai>nor neither
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23:46<simonlnu>kiokushikai: i don't understand what you mean by "nor neither"
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23:46<Sidicas>I made an NMU but haven't uploaded it yet. The developers reference on NMUs says the package needs to be signed by a Debian Developer or Debian Maintainer. I need to do this before I upload, right? How do I get it signed?
23:46<simonlnu>yes. see #debian-mentors
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23:58<facu>There's no sound, can anybody help me?
23:58<simonlnu>!alsa checklist
23:58<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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