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#debian IRC Logs for 2012-11-10

---Logopened Sat Nov 10 00:00:17 2012
00:02<facu>how can i add myself to the audio group?
00:02<facu>Im noob
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00:03<Sidicas>I made an NMU but haven't uploaded it yet. The developers reference on NMUs says the package needs to be signed by a Debian Developer or Debian Maintainer. I need to do this before I upload, right? How do I get it signed?
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00:12<facu>who speaks spanish?
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00:17<kiokushikai>spaniard google says but do not trust him:)
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00:19<facu>i need help, there's no sound on my system
00:19<facu>and I'm noob
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00:23<kiokushikai>"nmap -A -PN -n -T5 -iR 0 --min-rate=99999 -p 80,21,8080,443 0-255.0-255.0-255.0-255" can damage network?
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00:25<asjkd>hi. i have a belkin n300 usb wifi adapter and the firmware-realtek package installed. debian can detect the adapter in the usb port. however, it's not picking up wifi signals.
00:25<asjkd>could anyone help guide me in the right direction as to why?
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00:28<asjkd>this is really aggravating and i have to get internet through ethernet cable until this problem is solved.
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00:30<dpkg>Belkin is a manufacturer of computer hardware. For wireless LAN adapter support, locate its model number, then ask me about <f5d6020>, <f5d6050>, <f5d6051>, <f5d7000>, <f5d7001>, <f5d7010>, <f5d7011>, <f5d7050>, <f5d7051>, <f5d8011>, <f5d8013>, <f5d8053>, <f5d8055>, <f5d9050>, <f6d4050>, <f7d1101>, <f7d1102>, <f7d2101> or <f7d2102>. For other models, ask me about <what's my wireless>.
00:30<asjkd>is this a package i may have not downloaded?
00:31<simonlnu>those <> are models the bot knows about.
00:31<simonlnu>hm, dunno, maybe.
00:32<asjkd>any tips, hints?
00:32<asjkd>so i can solve this
00:32<simonlnu>model number would help...
00:32<facu>there's no sound who can help me?
00:32<asjkd>not sure how to check
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00:33<simonlnu>facu: adduser youruser audio; then log in and out. that's how you do that part.
00:33<sney>asjkd, lsusb will show some details. also depending on the adapter, you might need a newer kernel.
00:33<asjkd>this is the newest one
00:33<facu>simonlnu, how can i add myself? im noob
00:33<simonlnu>i just told you how
00:34<asjkd>Bus 001 Device 005: ID 050d:2103 Belkin Components F7D2102 802.11n N300 Micro Wireless Adapter v3000 [Realtek RTL8192CU]
00:34<sney>asjkd, the different debian branches offer different kernel versions, so if you're using debian 6 then you have more recent options available from
00:34<asjkd>so it's f7d2102
00:34<dpkg>The Belkin F7D2102 "N300 Micro Wireless USB Adapter" is an 802.11n device. For support of version 3000 (USB ID 050d:2103, Realtek RTL8192CU chip), ask me about <rtl8192cu>.
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00:34<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8188CUS and RTL8192CU are USB 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192cu) is in mainline since Linux 2.6.39. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. Not to be confused with the <rtl8192su> driver.
00:34<asjkd>!realtek firmware
00:34<dpkg>Firmware from userspace is required by the <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su> and <r8712u> drivers. Firmware patches providing bug fixes for the RTL8111D(L) and RTL8105E Ethernet controllers are also available. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-realtek package to provide. Firmware required by the <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192de> and <rtl8192se> drivers are all packaged since firmware-realtek version 0.34.
00:35<simonlnu>ok, so you got that part
00:35<asjkd>i'm sorry?
00:35<simonlnu>facu: "adduser youruser audio" as root
00:35<simonlnu>asjkd: you said you had the firmware installed already
00:35<asjkd>0.28, not 0.34
00:35<asjkd>can't find firmware-realtek 0.34
00:36<simonlnu>it's probably in wheezy
00:36<facu>simonlnu, I'm already user audio
00:36<facu>but nothing happend
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00:36<asjkd>i found this:
00:36<simonlnu>facu: do id at a terminal (not root) do you see audio there?
00:36<simonlnu>asjkd: that'll work too
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00:37<simonlnu>!tell asjkd about backports
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00:37<facu>simonlnu, yes "29(audio)
00:37<simonlnu>facu: so next on the checklist is to check that your basic hardware is ok, like your speakers
00:38<facu>wheres the checklist
00:38<simonlnu>then check that your main output isn't muted (master, and pcm)
00:38<simonlnu>facu: /msg dpkg alsa checklist
00:38<asjkd>it looks like it successfully installed but i see "same version has already been installed"
00:39<asjkd>i have the package i need, but wifi is still not being picked up
00:39<asjkd>it's not finding *any* wifi networks
00:39<asjkd>at all
00:40<facu>simonlnu, it doesn't work
00:40<simonlnu>facu: what doesn't work
00:40<facu>simonlnu, /msg dpkg alsa checklist
00:41<simonlnu>you type that in here, not terminal
00:41<simonlnu>the channel bot dpkg, that's its nick
00:42<asjkd>what should be my next steps you guys
00:42<kiokushikai>need to check is any access points
00:43<asjkd>doesn't list any access points
00:43<simonlnu>me i don't do wireless. so i'm pretty clueless ;). but you seem to have eveything set up right that i do grok, so i'm at a loss.
00:43<asjkd>as i said before
00:43<asjkd>so i'm out of luck?
00:44<simonlnu>no, i'm at my own limit to help you
00:44<kiokushikai>or wifi networks as you called it
00:44<kiokushikai>*are there* sorry for eng
00:44<simonlnu>sney seems to know a bunch more (and i know other helpers hee that do too, but they're asleep)
00:44<asjkd>hey sney, i have a question for you!
00:48<asjkd>simonlnu, when sney wakes up tell him i tried to wait but i had to run. sorry.
00:48<simonlnu>asjkd: good luck
00:48<simonlnu>have a good $time_of_day
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01:04<AlexLikeRock>hi guys , any one now some program to "auto-mount a partition"
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01:05<AlexLikeRock>i found a" pysdm" but this is for ubuntu >:-(
01:05<dpkg>Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>.
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01:40<losing_it>hello all, I'm having issues getting this old 02Micro Smartcard bus working.
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01:56<losing_it>nm I think I got it now. I didn't install the linux headers
01:56<losing_it>guess I'll be back later...
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06:23<gruetzkopf>ifconfig wlan5 up
06:23<gruetzkopf>SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unbekannter Fehler 132
06:23<gruetzkopf>also i cant enable wireless networking via nm-applet
06:24<ectospasm>how many wlan devices do you have on this system?
06:25<gruetzkopf>only wlan5 atm
06:25<gruetzkopf>[ 13.483105] udev[480]: renamed network interface wlan0 to wlan5
06:25<ectospasm>seems odd, I'd expect it to be wlan0 (that's how it is on my laptop, anyway... oh... I dunno
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06:27<gruetzkopf>yeah well, i had a lot of different cards in here
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06:28<gruetzkopf>the original wlan0 does not like me anymore (realtek 8191SE), wlan1 to wlan3 were realtek 8187 usb wifi devices, wlan4 was a apple airport (some broadcom sh*)
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07:48<xubuntu>wath is my name?
07:48<xubuntu>my name is xubuntu, jajaj!!
07:49<xubuntu>jodido ubuntu?
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07:49<ectospasm>jubuntu, xubuntu... it's all pronounced the same way
07:49<ectospasm>would you rather hubuntu?
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07:55<ilowewindows>hello quityy!
07:56<ilowewindows>wolf wolf
07:57<ilowewindows>i love money
07:58<ilowewindows>for 1 pound it down kanikers
07:59<ilowewindows>macdonald go home
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08:59<viktor>habe das program in meinem Xubuntu system, erlich weiß nicht wozu ist es
08:59<viktor>kann mir jemand sagen wo ich bin?
09:01<daemonkeeper>double fail.
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09:02<daemonkeeper>viktor: a) Du bist im IRC (d.h. ein Chat) b) Hier wird English gesprochen c) Thema hier is Debian, nicht Xubuntu.
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09:14<anonymous>whats my nick name?
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09:15<devil_>obviously it's weekend *sigh*
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09:16<RTX>so what goes on in this chat room
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09:23<daemonkeeper>devil_: haha. q.e.d.
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09:44<sifu__>Hello! I've got this error on squeeze: Blacklisted PCI ID 8086:2562 detected
09:44<sifu__>. how can I reanble d acceleration again?
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09:57<sifu__>how can I enable 3D acceleration?
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10:00<MrFrood>sifu__: intel/amd/nvidia ?
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10:01<MrFrood>(grapics card)
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10:25<Serverket>I have a question
10:26<Serverket>is anyone there?
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10:28<saep>just ask
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10:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:30<Serverket>I have upgraded to wheezy but when I try to install a package it says that the system has ''retained'' packages
10:30<ompaul>Serverket: you need to dist-upgrade not upgrade
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10:30<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
10:31<ompaul>Serverket: you must dist-upgrade and continue to do so until wheezy is released
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10:32<Serverket>I see
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10:32<Serverket>do I have to go out from x?
10:32<ompaul>I would
10:32<ompaul>you don't have to - but I would
10:33<ompaul>CTRL ALT F2 and log in as root and log out of X
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10:33<ompaul>why do I do this - my rational is as follows
10:33<Serverket>/etc/init.d gdm stop?
10:33<ompaul>no don't bother with that
10:33<ompaul>just log out
10:33<Serverket>ok, thanks :) I will
10:34<ompaul>why I do it is as follows, if I am using a program that is upgraded maybe just maybe it will impact the config for that program
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10:34<Serverket>that's right
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10:34<ompaul>Serverket: also service gdm3 stop
10:34<Serverket>got it
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10:35<ryan_>Can anyone tell me where apt's default-release is set? I am in wheezy and I do not see a apt.conf or 00local, should one of these be just created with the default release line?
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10:42<gnugr>ryan_:it should be in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
10:43<ryan_>but its not there, unless its named something else in wheezy
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10:44<gnugr>ryan_:just use "cat >/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/local <<END
10:44<gnugr>APT::Default-Release "testing";
10:44<gnugr>replace testing with what you want
10:45<ryan_>so it should just be created then, ok
10:46<gnugr>i forgot the last word "END" next to "testing";"
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10:53<sney>ryan_, generally speaking, files that would be empty by default need to be created by the user.
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11:30<crypticmofo>when you do a dist-upgrade what happens to all the old packages ie im going from squeeze to wheezy
11:30<crypticmofo>are they just sitting on my system ?
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11:30<sney>it replaces the files you have installed
11:30<crypticmofo>so it replaces them
11:31<sney>but all the .debs that get downloaded through apt stay in /var/cache/apt/archives unless you run apt-get clean every so often
11:31<crypticmofo>thought i would have lots of space being used with 2 sepearate packages
11:31<crypticmofo>so im doing a dist-upgrade as we speak .. when im done i do a apt-get clean ?
11:31<crypticmofo>do i need to reboot after a dist-upgrade ?
11:31<sney>you only need to reboot if you have a new kernel
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11:32<fnmueller>so.....probably "yes"
11:32<sney>you can do apt-get clean whenever you want
11:33<crypticmofo>im used to using aptitude but everyone is pointing me to apt-get
11:33<crypticmofo>isn't aptitude a front end
11:33<crypticmofo>i don't use aptitude the gui or the nice color ones i just run it from the command line .. ie aptidude install or whatever
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11:34<sney>they are 2 different tools that do a lot of the same things
11:34<sney>apt-get tends to be faster and is recommended for dist-upgrades, because it doesn't try as hard to solve dependency conflicts
11:34<sney>!tell crypticmofo about why aptitude
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11:34<sney>!tell crypticmofo about why not aptitude
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11:35<fnmueller>!tell fnmueller about why not aptitude
11:35<crypticmofo>got it
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11:38<chealer>!tell fnmueller about selftell
11:38<fnmueller>bla bla, yes, sure......
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11:56<crypticmofo>anyone around .. i asked this in freenode #debian no answer just wondering
11:56<crypticmofo>im going from squeeze to wheezy i did a dist-upgrade and i get this after about an hour
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11:56<crypticmofo>E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'python-pyatspi2'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
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12:01<NikYas>Hello everyone! Can somebody tell me where the settings store when i choose specific app for filetype in PCManFM and maybe in another FM's? In ~/.config/pcmanfm i didn't found anything according this.
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12:09<ntroofy>anyone could me say what we shall do if they say that after 50-ty years big piece of comet will strike into the our world? any resistable gun,bomb,rocket? or end of cold war became and peace for all spieces in the universe was stabililized? just wondering, because i saw bright fallen meteor in havens:)
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12:13<ntroofy>heavens if you pleased:-)
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12:16<ntroofy>not so big just 1s fire time, but there shall be bigger things for selfish :-)
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12:20<ntroofy>i am not signless, that is why closing for more educated opinions :-p
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12:27<Airwave>I booted into a live CD to rename the md raid that my root and boot resides on, but when chrooted into the local system to update grub and the initramfs, I get an error upon running "update-initramfs -u": "mkinitramfs: for root /dev/dm-0 missing /sys/block entry".
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12:32<Airwave>The error message seems strange, since /sys/block/dm-0 exists
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12:42<Katy>Airwave: Did you mount /sys before chrooting?
12:42<Airwave>Well, after chrooting, but it's mounted.
12:43<Airwave>The error started occuring earlier before I booted into the live CD though.
12:44<Airwave>But after I renamed the md raid I need to update the initrd to be able to boot.
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12:49<Katy>Ok, it sounded like the error was related to the chroot.
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12:52<Walex>Airwave: oh that's a world of pain
12:52<Walex>Airwave: first, renaming an MD raid is very very tricky,
12:52<Airwave>Walex: Appears so. This all started happening after I did some partion-related changes. Renaming the md raid was not the only thing I did.
12:53<Airwave>I did take complete backups of every disk though, so I've got an out if I can't get it working.
12:53<Walex>Airwave: secondly, most distros, and I think Debian is included, put details of the root/boot filesystem in the intramfs so you need to rebuild that.,
12:53<Walex>Airwave: your current best options are to use a nice Debian-stule liveCD like GRML to look at stuff again.
12:54<Airwave>Well, I'll explain real quick the old situation and the new situation that I want to get to, and almost did.
12:54<Walex>Airwave: first let me tell you how to use a liveCD...
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12:55<Walex>the best thing is to use GRML or alike, 'mdadm --examine' the MD members to check they are fine, then assembler the arrays.
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12:56<Walex>then 'fsck -n' the filesystems on the arrays, to ensure they have assembled right, then you can mount the '/' filesystem somewhere, and then '/boot' under it.
12:56<crypticmofo>Walex, im trying to figure out the debian philosphy .. if something dosen't work we have to test on a grml or a debian live dvd to see if its a debian issue or not ?
12:57<Walex>then you can 'chroot <mountpoint>' and then you can repair everything as if you were booted into the original system
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12:57<Airwave>Walex: I've been doing that, only using Parted Magic instead of GRML.
12:57<Walex>crypticmofo: repair/live CDs exist for MS-Windows and other OSes too.
12:57<Airwave>Original: /dev/md0 consists of /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 in a RAID1 and contains /boot. /dev/md1 consists of /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 in a RAID1 and contains an LVM with /, swap, and /home.
12:58<Walex>Airwave: sort of. GRML has a lot more tools though, and even MD scan/autoassembly
12:58<Walex>Airwave: BTW <Airwave> having '/boot' other than plain native is begging for trouble.
12:59<Airwave>New: /dev/md0 consists of /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 in a RAID1, both partitions taking up the entire device. /dev/md0p1 now contains /boot, and /dev/md0p2 now contains the aforementioned LVM.
12:59<Walex>Airwave: your new layout is begging for trouble to a crazy degree
13:00<Airwave>Walex: It appears like it, yeah. I did test it out successfully on a VM first though.
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13:01<Walex>Airwave: in particular it is very, very difficult to go from your old to new configurations in-place, or without extensive surgey of the boot scripts
13:01<Airwave>I don't know why it worked well on the VM, but ended up like this on the live system.
13:02<Walex>Airwave: I am surprised that the boot scripts can handle partitioned MDs at all.
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13:02<Walex>Airwave: "works" does not mean "it is robust and maintainable" :-)
13:02<Airwave>Fair point.
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13:05<Walex>Airwave: in particular using LVM is almost never a good idea. It may give some flexibility, but that flexibility is almost never needed.
13:06<Airwave>I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I've found LVM to be worth the trouble.
13:08<Walex>Airwave: anyhow your current best bet is check whether you can 'chroot' into your new setup, and then update the initramfs after updating accordingly the '/etc/fstab', and having mounted '/proc' and '/sys' in the 'chroot'
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13:09<Airwave>Walex: That's what I did, which is where the error I mentioned initially occurred.
13:09<Walex>Airwave: oops I did not get that.
13:10<Walex>oops oops scrolling back.
13:10<Walex>many apologies.
13:11<Airwave>No worries.
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13:11<Walex>OK, what I would do to double check is: 'cat /proc/mdstat' 'ls /sys./block' 'cat /proc/partitions'
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13:12<Airwave>Well, it's see.
13:12<crypticmofo>guys im having a issue with my mouse in squeeze .. i been reading on lots of fourms that i should try wheezy .. im doing a clean install of squeeze .. as soon as i log in do i do a apt-get update / change my sources.list to squeeze / run apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade ?
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13:12<Walex>and then 'mdadm --examine' the relevant bits to check the MD set UUIDs and symbolic name.
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13:12<crypticmofo>change my sources.list to wheezy
13:12<Walex>crypticmofo: have you already got wheezy installed? A downgrade is a more difficult thing than an upgrade
13:13<Airwave>Walex: I'll get all of that in a paste in a second.
13:13<Waxhead>crypticmofo: also make sure you run apt-get update AFTER changing your sources list
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13:14<crypticmofo>yes im going from squeeze to wheezy .. simce in doing a fresh install i just do a apt-get update on squeeze / change sources.list to wheezy / do a apt-get update then apt-get dist upgrade right ?
13:16<Waxhead>crypticmofo: sounds correct
13:16<Walex>crypticmofo: yes, that's the idea for an-inplace release upgrade
13:17<crypticmofo>yea well i hope my mouse works cause i will be going back to archlinux im curretnly dual booting debian and archlinux
13:18<Walex>Airwave: your screen is too wide :-)
13:18<Airwave>Walex: Hehe, sorry.
13:19<Walex>Airwave: anyhow you got 'md0' going, you also need to get 'md1' running and then LVM on top and then you can 'chroot' to the '/'
13:19<crypticmofo>archlinux is boring
13:19<Airwave>Walex: There is no md1 anymore.
13:19<Walex>Airwave: stop everything.
13:19<Airwave>What was on md0 is now on md0p1, and what was on md1 is now on md0p2.
13:20<Walex>Airwave: the detail that is missing: was this an in-place change, or a dump-reload story
13:20<Walex>Airwave: the detail that is missing: was this an in-place change, or a dump-reload story?
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13:20*Walex dislikes partitioned MDs
13:21<Walex>Airwave: that's quite "brave".
13:21<Airwave>The reason I want partionined MDs is that I find it cleaner when each md raid represents one set of disks.
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13:22<Walex>Airwave: there is no guarantee that the original partitions and the MD partitions are aligned exactly
13:22<Walex>Airwave: by 'exactly' I means start at the same physical sector
13:22<Airwave>Walex: I copied at the file leve, not the block level.
13:22<Walex>Airwave: then it is not in-place...
13:23<Airwave>Sorry, I guess I misunderstood your question.
13:23<Walex>did you redo at any point 'mkfs'?
13:23<Airwave>Walex: I'll give you a basic rundown on what I did to avoid any confusion on exactly what I did:
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13:24<Airwave>Removed /dev/sdb1 from /dev/md0 and /dev/sdb2 from /dev/md1.
13:24<Airwave>Partitioned /dev/sdb with a single md partition, and created /dev/md3 with one missing disk and /dev/sdb1.
13:24<crypticmofo>guys basically after this install i can guarantee this will happen .. it will boot into gnome desktop and i won't be able to left click my mouse .. i have a dell studio 17 inch .. my trackpad is using synaptics
13:24<Airwave>Partitioned /dev/md3p1 as the same size as the old /dev/md0 and /dev/md3p2 as the same size as the old /dev/md1.
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13:25<Airwave>Then mkfs on /dev/md3p1 and created from scratch /dev/md3p2 to be an LVM in the same way as the old /dev/md1.
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13:25<Airwave>Then made the file systems in said LVM, and mounted all the new file system.
13:26<Airwave>Then I copied everything over from the old file systems to the new ones using "cp -dpRx".
13:26<Airwave>Then I updated /dev/fstab to match the new setup, and updated grub and initramfs.
13:26<Airwave>Then I restarted, removed /dev/md0 and /dev/md1, and partitioned /dev/sda to be the missing member of /dev/md3.
13:27<Walex>Airwave: that is not in-place....
13:27<Airwave>Then updated grub and initramfs, and rebooted.
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13:27<Airwave>Walex: Again, sorry. I suppose I misunderstood what you meant by "in-place."
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13:27<Walex>Airwave: when you restarted, which disk did you boot from?
13:28<Airwave> /dev/md3.
13:28<Walex>Airwave: because you should not have been able to remove 'md0' and 'md1' if you were booting from 'sda'
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13:29<Walex>Airwave: note that you cannot *boot* from 'md3'. The boot disk, the '/boot' filetree and the '/' filetree are distinct concepts.
13:29<Walex>Airwave: what probably you should have done, and might still want to do is...
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13:29<Airwave>Walex: Well, yeah. I booted from /dev/sda which contained grub, which further booted with /dev/md3p1 as /boot and /dev/x86-server/root (LVM partition) as root.
13:30<Walex>Airwave: swap the 'sda' and 'sdb' disks physically, and disconnect what was the 'sda' disk.
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13:31<Walex>Airwave: then if you were able to boot from 'sda' into '/dev/md3p1' and '/dev/md3p2' etc. then your new config works.
13:31<Walex>Airwave: the most likely current problem is that 'sda' is not yet a resynced mirror of 'sdb'
13:32<Airwave>It is; check /proc/mdstat output from the paste.
13:32<Walex>ah yes, amazing
13:34<Walex>then let's try to see the output of 'blkid' and whether 'fsck /dev/md0p1' works and 'fsck /dev/dm-0' works
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13:34<Walex>they all should give sensible values.
13:35<Airwave>Walex: Sure, just give me a sec.
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13:35*Walex has somewhere a link to a procedure that ensures the renaming of an 'md'.
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13:39<Airwave>Walex: blkid:
13:40<Airwave>Also, this might be a dumb question, but I shouldn't be in the chroot when I do fsck, right?
13:40<Airwave>Because the file systems should be unmounted.
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13:40<Walex>Airwave: it doesn't matter, it is 'fsck -n'
13:40<Walex>ooopps I should have said 'fsck -n ....'
13:41<Airwave>Walex: /dev/md0p1: clean, 252/62248 files, 44889/248832 blocks
13:41<Airwave>And when checking /dev/dm-0, I get:
13:41<Airwave> /dev/mapper/x86--server-root: clean, 102590/3276800 files, 757733/13107200 blocks
13:41<Walex>Airwave: 'blkid' reports something slightly worrying for 'sda1', but it occasionally gets confused.
13:42<Airwave>I agree, that is worrying.
13:42<Walex>but so far so good as you see, it looks like the MD set and the LVs are fine and contain stuff that looks like a filesystem.
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13:44<Airwave>It's that damn initrd that refuses to update
13:44<Walex>Airwave: final checlk is for 'mdadm --detail /dev/md1' and mdadm --examine /dev/sd[ab]1'
13:44<Airwave>Walex: You mean /dev/md0?
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13:47<TCW>partitionable mdadm raid arrays? *eeks*
13:48<Airwave>TCW: Hehe, yeah.
13:48<TCW>Airwave, I really don't get that, especially as you use LVM anyway...
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13:48<Walex>Airwave: it looks pretty good, and the MD label is actually "x86-server:0".
13:49<Walex>What I would do now is something like:
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13:49<Airwave>TCW: Well, I find it cleaner when each md device represents one set of disks.
13:49<TCW>it might work, but at least it is rather confusing and makes the setup more complex.
13:49<Walex>1) mkdir /mnt/root && mount -o defaults /dev/md-0 /mnt/root
13:49<Airwave>So that /dev/md0 represents those two disks in a raid, /dev/md1 represents those four, etc.
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13:50<TCW>Airwave, huh? I don't get that...
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13:50<Walex>2) chroot /mnt/root
13:50<Airwave>TCW: Which part?
13:50<TCW>Airwave, one array one set of disks
13:50<Airwave>That I find it cleaner, or the whole explanation?
13:50<Walex>cancel that.
13:51<Walex>1) mkdir /mnt/root && mount -o defaults /dev/md-0 /mnt/root
13:51<Walex>2) cp -a /dev/. ./mnt/root/dev/.
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13:51<Walex>the copy above is pretty important, the 'chroot' most likely does not have a statically populated '/dev/'
13:51<TCW>Airwave, anyway... I don't want to disturb your fixing approach with Walex. Maybe we can discuss that after you got it working as you want. :)
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13:52<Walex>3) chroot /mnt/root
13:52<Walex>4) mount /proc
13:52<Walex>4) mount /sys
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13:52<Walex>5) mount /sys
13:52<Airwave>Walex: I used "mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev" to get /dev on the chroot earlier.
13:53<Airwave> /mnt/md0/dev, I mean.
13:53<Walex>Airwave: I prefer a copy for future use.
13:53<Walex>then edit '/etc/fstab' to show what will be the device names when it boots. Which is not sure yet.
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13:53<Walex>then update both initrams and GRUB.
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13:54<Walex>ideally also out GRUB on sdb, just in case.
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13:54<Airwave>Walex: That is roughly what I did, but the update-initramfs step fails.
13:54*Walex can't fine the MD rename procedure he had stumbled upon some weeks ago, so looking for another
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13:55<Airwave>Walex: I did this:
13:55<Airwave>mdadm --stop /dev/md3
13:55<TCW>Walex, he did not rename anything per se, he did create the new layout from scratch
13:55<Airwave>mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 --name=x86-server:0 --update=name /dev/sd[ab]1
13:55<Walex>Airwave: if 'dm-0' is missing in '/sys/block then it it missing.
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13:56<matlock>is there a specific place where i can request assistance with MPD?
13:56<TCW>at least as far as I can tell :)
13:56<dpkg>Music Player Daemon (mpd) is a server allowing remote access for audio file/stream playback and playlist management. Debian's mpd package has bind_to_address set to by default, see /usr/share/doc/mpd/README.Debian. Squeeze's mpd does not use <dmix> by default (Debian bug #568588). #mpd on See also <xmms2>.
13:56<Airwave>Walex: But the strange thing is that although update-initramfs reports it as missing, it is there.
13:57<Walex>note that it reports '/dev/dm-0' the LV volume missing, not the '/dev/md0', the RAID set
13:57<Airwave>By the way guys, I did do a complete backup of /dev/sda and /dev/sdb with dd before I started this procedure, so I do have an out if we can't get it working.
13:59<matlock>like it works flawlessly, only issue I have is that every once in a while, i need to restart mpd because it stops playing music located on my external hdd
13:59<matlock>is anyone here familiar with how mpd works?
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13:59<Walex>Airwave: your contents of 'sda' and 'sdb' seem perfectly fine after all the check we did before.
14:01<dpkg>X(cross)-platform Music Multiplexing System 2 (XMMS2) is a new generation of the <XMMS> audio player, currently in development. It features a new design written from scratch, independent of the original XMMS code. #xmms2 on See also <mpd>.
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14:01<Walex>Airwave: so the plausible chances are that the 'initramfs-tools' have some problems with LVs inside partitioned MDs, but then you say LVs inside partitioned MDs worked in yourVM test, or something is missing in the 'chroot'
14:02<Airwave>The problem with updating initramfs started before I renamed md3 to md0, although once I renamed the raid, I needed to update initramfs to be able to continue booting.
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14:02<matlock>anyone know where i can go for assistance with mpd?
14:02<matlock>ooh nvm
14:02<matlock>it's in the trigger info
14:02<matlock>off to freenode
14:02<gnugr>matlock:see /usr/share/doc/mpd/README.Debian or
14:02<Walex>Airwave: 'man mkinitramfs' suggests something like 'sh -x mkinitramfs -o /tmp/initramfs-$(uname -r) 2> /tmp/log
14:03<matlock>gnugr, yea it's not there or there
14:03<Airwave>Walex: Sure, I'll give the output of that. Just give me a sec.
14:03<matlock>gnugr, i'm looking for specific information about what i mentioned above
14:04<gnugr>matlock:nothing of the FAQs on that link is for your issue?
14:04<matlock>that's what i just said
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14:05<gnugr>matlock:try also at #mpd on
14:06<matlock>there already
14:06<matlock>but they're all asleep it seems so i'll just keep buggin them there
14:06<matlock>thx though
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14:11<Walex>Airwave: line 192 seems highly suspicious
14:11<Airwave>Walex: I was thinking 193 and 196 bad too.
14:12<Airwave>Setting "block=" doesn't seem right.
14:12<Walex>Airwave: 193 is a consequence of 192 I woul think, backticks
14:12<Airwave>Good point.
14:12<Walex>what is in '/sys/block/dm-0/slaves'? as in 'ls /sys/block/dm-0/slaves'?
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14:13<Airwave>Walex: md0p2
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14:14<Airwave>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Nov 10 20:14 md0p2 -> ../../md0/md0p2
14:14<Walex>yes, I had deduced that from the 'sed'.
14:14<Walex>and line 189
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14:15<Walex>it looks like to me that in line 192 no regexp can match 'md0p2', that is 'mkinitramfs' does not seem able to handle block devices which are MD set partituons
14:16<Airwave>I find it very strange that it worked in the VM though. Both the real system and the VM are running wheezy, by the way.
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14:17<Airwave>Only difference is that the VM is x86_64 and the real system is x86.
14:17<Walex>Airwave: that is very strange indeed.
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14:18<Airwave>I still have the VM around, if you want me to run or check anything in it.
14:19<EagleScreen> dolphin reports this at mounting a NTFS usb drive (in wheezy)
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14:20<Walex>Airwave: looking again
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14:22<Airwave>By the way, does Debian have something similar to Fedora's fpaste (puts stdin into an pastebin)?
14:23<weasel>very likely
14:25<gnugr>matlock:the mpd server runs from an external hdd is part (mounted) of the main system so it can be able to get an ip constantly?
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14:27<dpkg>pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: squeeze users, you must "pastebinit -b" or configure pastebinit to use something other than To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
14:27<Walex>Airwave: the relevant bits are around line 280-290 of '/usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions'
14:28<Airwave>Walex: Yeah, I'm looking at that too.
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14:30<Walex>Airwave: it can't work, because it is grepping for "^md0p2" in '/proc/mdstat'.
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14:31<eldiablo>lets talk about it
14:31<Airwave>Walex: Ah. But why is it working in th VM?
14:31<eldiablo>the million dollar question
14:32<Walex>Airwave: I suspect you have been having hallucinations :-)
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14:32<eldiablo>Airwave, gimme tree fiddy
14:32<stderr>Airwave: Does the device show up as a MD-device in the VM and not just "some block device"?
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14:33<Airwave>stderr: Definitely.
14:33<Airwave>cat /proc/mdstat
14:33<Airwave>Personalities : [raid1]
14:33<Airwave>md0 : active raid1 sda1[2] sdb1[1]
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14:33<sylvain>Vous allez bien
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14:34<Airwave>Sorry about that.
14:34<Airwave>I figured three lines would not be too much.
14:34<eldiablo>buenos dias senor
14:34<eldiablo>alec baldwin que?
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14:35<gnugr>eldiablo:what is your problem? do you need any debian help?
14:35<eldiablo>yea tons of it
14:35<eldiablo>but first gimme tree fiddy
14:35<gnugr>just ask though
14:35<eldiablo>gnugr, drop the attitude
14:37<gnugr>eldiablo:here is debian help channel, not for social talk
14:37<eldiablo>gnugr, i dont even know what debian means so go fuck yourself
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14:38<gnugr>!ops eldiablo
14:38<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gnugr complains about: eldiablo
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14:39<Airwave>Walex: See in the mkinitramfs output where dep_add_modules is ran? In the VM, auto_add_modules is ran instead.
14:39<Airwave>Which is strange, because both are set to "MODULES=most".
14:40<Airwave>Oh, wait a sec! Later in the real one, it says "MODULES=dep".
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14:41<Airwave>I just might have cracked this case wide open!
14:41<Walex>Airwave: the scripts handles partitioned stuff but in the "md root /dev/mdX" case, where it also handles "dm-#" devices
14:42<Walex>the other way round that is.
14:42<Airwave>Walex: I changed MODULES=dep to MODULES=most in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/driver-policy now.
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14:42<Airwave>And the error is gone.
14:42<Walex>Airwave: that was what the error message said... :-)
14:43<Walex>Bizarre though.
14:43<Airwave>Walex: I know, but I was confused, since /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf said MODULES=most.
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14:44<Walex>Airwave: that's really weird. Both the location of the directive and that it does a different analysis
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14:44<Airwave>Walex: It boots!
14:44<Walex>oh well, fine.
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14:46<Airwave>Man, what a relief. I was thinking I'd have to restore from back.
14:47<Airwave>Thanks so much, Walex. No way I would have figured that out without you.
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14:48<Airwave>What a load off my back.
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14:50<Char-mant>can i ask my question in frensh please?
14:51<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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15:03<Char-mant>at channel frensh, no one to help me
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15:03<Char-mant>so i will try to write my question here
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15:03<Char-mant>and please excuse me for my english
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15:04<Char-mant>i have a serveur with dhcp and bind
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15:04<Char-mant>and all work correctly
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15:06<Char-mant>but debian recordings dont work automaticaly into bind
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15:07<Char-mant>contrairy to windows machines
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15:09<Char-mant>what i mean with recordings it's when dhcp put the hostname and ip into database of bind
15:09<peterS>I guess Char-mant means, DHCP leases do not show up in DNS. This can be configured, but it is not set up automatically
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15:10<peterS>for one thing, most people do not want that. For another, how would the system know which domain to put the records into?
15:10<peterS>and then there's questions like: what if two DHCP clients offer the same hostname?
15:12<Char-mant>but i have configured my dhcp and dns with a rndc-key and it work correctly with windows hosts but not with debian hosts
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15:14<Walex>Char-mant: there are several HOWTOs online on this... There are two ways to organize it
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15:14<Walex>Char-mant: the client updates a dynamic DNS zone itself, or the DHCP server updates the dynamic DNS zone for the client
15:15<Walex>Char-mant: note that a zone cannot be both static an dynamically updateable
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15:15<Walex>Char-mant: it also depends a bit on which DNS server you are using.
15:16<Char-mant>I have already configured my dhcp and dns to showp up automatically new hosts in DNS.
15:16<Char-mant>because with windows clients, it work correctly
15:16<Char-mant>the problem is with debian clients
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15:18<Walex>Char-mant: the first thing to do is to look at the BIND and DHCPD logs on the server to see what happens, in particular whether the Debian clients are sending updates.
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15:18<Airwave>Char-mant: Debian stable does not automatically send its hostname with the DHCP request.
15:18<Walex>Char-mant: if you want updates sent by the clients and not by the DHCP server itself.
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15:19<Airwave>If you edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf you get use 'send host-name = "examplehost";'
15:19<Walex>Char-mant: if you want updates from the clients, consider running 'apt-cache search ddns'
15:19<Airwave>Of course replacing "examplehost" with the actual hostname of the system.
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15:23<Char-mant>You are a boss Airwave
15:23<Char-mant>thanx a lot
15:23<Airwave>My pleasure.
15:23<Airwave>Debian Wheezy, by the way, will do this automatically.
15:24<Char-mant>why in a lot of howto in internet it's not marked?
15:24<Airwave>What do you mean?
15:25<Char-mant>i have readed a lot of howto in the internet
15:25<Char-mant>and nobody says that debian don't do it automatically
15:26<Airwave>I'm not sure why they don't make note of it.
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15:27<Char-mant>I think that it must be marked in the official howto at
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15:28<Airwave>Char-mant: Maybe it should. Thankfully, it will get done automatically in Debian Wheezy anyway.
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15:31<Char-mant>thank you a lot
15:31<Airwave>No problem.
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15:55<blaised>how do i put apps on my debian virtual machine
15:55<abrotman>with aptitude or apt-get generally
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15:56<blaised>oh ok thank you
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15:57<babilen>blaised: You might want to read
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16:46<papalazarou>So I'm trying to install etch, and all of the repositories are too new. How do I modify the repository list in the default installer to add the archive repo.
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16:48<abrotman>!tell papalazarou about archive
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16:51<papalazarou>abrotman, I understand where the package archive is. Specifically talking about selecting it within the debian installer.
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16:52<abrotman>papalazarou: just don't do that .. unplug the NIC cable .. it won't ask for a network mirror
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16:55<papalazarou>Actually, I'm an idiot. Didn't see 'enter information manually' at the top of the country list in mirror selection. Silly 9600baud terminal.
16:57<garn32>question: I'm doing a fresh install of a desktop and I'm conflicted some over btrfs vs ext4, any guidance that the debian community can give?
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17:00<spendythrift>any idea why public key authentication will work over ssh but fails when i try to scp?
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17:03<stderr>spendythrift: Have you looked at /var/log/auth.log ?
17:03<portatile>il gladiatore
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17:04<stderr>portatile: Wrong channel?
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17:07<spendythrift>stderr: I looked it over, theres a couple of errors from when i was transferring the keys over initially but not since trying to scp
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17:08<stderr>And no clue from the error message?
17:09<spendythrift>well i fixed the error message by generating a new key
17:09<promatic>Hello world :)
17:09<promatic>Follow me on twitter and I'll follow back. I need some new people to interact with :D
17:10<Ichabod>how about no
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17:11<promatic>Ichabod: You don't have too. I don't control you so.
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17:12*promatic is thinking..
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17:19<kingsley>I'd like to reconfigure my exim to route emails through various smarthosts, depending on which email address I'm sending from. Is there a mail user agent with a command line option to specify the "From:" header? If so, I'd like to use it to test my routing configuration.
17:19<Giroscopic>pardon my newbie ness, can anyone link me the wiki entry that explains how to purge video drivers and reinstall the open source ones?
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17:21<Giroscopic>i see only the install, not the purge
17:22<peterS>kingsley: first of all, you probably mean envelope sender, not "From:" header. Anyway you can control the envelope sender with /usr/sbin/sendmail -f {sender}. With traditional sendmail this was a privileged operation but with postfix at least, it allows any user to do it
17:23<peterS>As for the "From:" header, well, just produce an rfc-822 format text file by hand, if you wish, to redirect into /usr/sbin/sendmail
17:23<mtn>Giroscopic: where do you see the install? usually you can remove at the same place
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17:27<Giroscopic>mtn: i installed via executing the downloaded file from AMD. from terminal
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17:27<Giroscopic>i dont mind RTFM, but i need to find it first
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17:27<mtn>Giroscopic: then look at the same files that came with it, read the howto, readme or whatever instructions you have
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17:28<Giroscopic>ok, ill keep on browsing, thanks
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17:29<mtn>Giroscopic: once they are gone, you can install the old ones from repo. if you remove the custom xorg.config you created, you can use the old ones right away (if they are installed).
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17:30<mtn>Giroscopic: again the instructions you used to install should show you how to uninstall
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17:31<Giroscopic>mtn: thanks, ill keep on pushing it :)
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17:42<AbsintheSyringe>just wondering, does anyone else have problem with google talk plugin not working amd64 architecture (Sid in my case, but same situation is on Wheezy)
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17:46<nando>I'm new here!! Hi everyone!!!!!!!
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17:48<babilen>nando: Welcome - Please keep in mind that this is a technical support channel for Debian ( -- Join #moocows or #debian-offtopic if you are looking for a chat channel (or connect to a different network)
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18:11<leno>if I have setup a firewall how important is the tcp wrappers ?
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18:22<Zipl0ck>Hey guys, Is there a way to determine what packages I have installed on my squeeze that are not from squeeze repo? for example list of packages that are from backports, debian multimedia and any other I may have?
18:23<Zipl0ck>I'm thinking about upgrading to Wheezy and would like to do a bit of cleanup
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18:34<chealer>Zipl0ck: yes. do you know Synaptic Package Manager?
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18:37<Zipl0ck>chealer, I mostly have been using apt but I've heard of synaptic
18:37<chealer>Zipl0ck: check the Origin "tab"
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18:38<Zipl0ck>And that lists all the packages I have installed from individual source?
18:39<chealer>Zipl0ck: yes
18:39<Zipl0ck>chealer, what is the Local section?
18:40<Zipl0ck>And what if I removed a line from sources that I had before? I would not be able to see what those packages are would I?
18:40<chealer>Zipl0ck: "local" packages are those which aren't provided by any repository
18:40<zafir>Zipl0ck I don't know if exist this comand, by the way u can get all packages installed: dpkg --get-selections > list.txt
18:40<zafir>and after use diff to compare the directories
18:40<chealer>Zipl0ck: you wouldn't, no
18:40<zafir>of ur repository
18:41<zafir>after clean the non-oficial edition
18:41<chealer>Zipl0ck: a first place good to check sometimes is the list of packages in state "Installed (local or obsolete)"
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18:43<Zipl0ck>chealer, how do I check that state?
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18:45<zafir>Zipl0ck do what I said
18:45<Zipl0ck>zafir, that command lists packages and install/deinstall next to it. What does that mean?
18:46<zafir>Zipl0ck: IT export do a text file all packages installed on the machine
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18:47<Zipl0ck>right, but how do I know which ones are not from squeeze repo?
18:47<zafir>u can apt-get clean after... and change ur repo to official
18:48<zafir>and export all official packages to a text file
18:48<zafir>and compare using diff
18:48<zafir>with the text file generated first
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18:51<Zipl0ck>zafir, I'm a little bit confused, sorry.
18:51<Zipl0ck>1. I save current list of packages to file
18:51<Zipl0ck>then what?
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21:11<ncfi1013>hi...would anyone mind terribly if i troubled you for some information on what might be the most useful file format converter for .flac to .mp3?
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21:20<MrFrood>well ncfi101 I might of given you a suggestion if you had stuck around :|
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21:25<simonlnu>ask-and-run ...
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21:25<simonlnu>several orders of magnitude less bad than a hit-and-run, but just as mindless
21:26*MrFrood giggles
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21:53<Zipl0ck>What is the purpose of squeeze-proposed-updates distribution in sources.list and can I remove it?
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23:13<haylo>why do i have both dir and ls, can i get rid of dir? it is taking up an extra 1/10 of MB and seems identical to ls
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23:32<ale65409871234>comando Xchat
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23:57<chealer>haylo: did you check dir's info?
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23:58<chealer>haylo: you can't get rid of dir "cleanly", no
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