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---Logopened Tue Nov 13 00:00:23 2012
00:00<Ablac>Last time I was in the Debian Chat I'm not 100% sure what we did, but they had me change the version.
00:00<Ablac>cause i was trying to get java 5
00:00<Ablac>or 6...
00:00<Ablac>im not sure
00:00<Ablac>newest java
00:01<themill>Ablac: perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy dpkg apt perl openssh-server sysvinit initscripts; apt-cache policy"
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00:09<themill>unstable really has no place on a server.
00:10<themill>Ablac: can I suggest that your best plan of action here is to (a) get your data off this machine using the rescue image that you're currently using and then (b) reinstall squeeze on it and don't use any 3rd party repos and don't mix releases? You can upgrade to wheezy when it's ready to be released (in a few months' time) but don't use unstable.
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00:11<themill>if this machine were at least running squeeze it might be worth trying to rescue it, but it's just not worth it if it's running unstable
00:11<Ablac>I can't get my data off it...
00:11<themill>sure you can -- if you can ssh onto the machine, you can copy files on and off it
00:11<Ablac>Ya but the Rescue
00:11<Ablac>dosnt read the /home file
00:11<Ablac>and all my datas in the /home folder
00:12<themill>do you have a separate partition for /home? if so, then mount that partition too
00:12<Ablac>It shouldn't be
00:13<Ablac>No, theres no partitions that i can view.
00:14<themill>Ablac: what's the output of "cat /etc/fstab"
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00:15<themill>so "mount /home" should work
00:15<Ablac>didn't do anything
00:16<Ablac>that time it worked.
00:16<themill>unix commands are normally silent unless there's an error
00:16<Ablac>and i had to back out of the /home directory and cd back
00:16<Ablac>for it to update
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00:21<Ablac>How do i edit a text file in the console?
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00:22<themill>Ablac: "nano filename"
00:23<Ablac>I ended up doing vi (filename)
00:24<Ablac>but not sure how to save it...
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00:25<LtL>Ablac: hit escape, then type :qw or :wq i forget
00:26<LtL>qw i think
00:26<Ablac>ESC didn't work
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00:26<LtL>Ablac: escape exits insert mode, just watch the bottom and type :qw
00:27<Ablac>Think the terminal froze...
00:27<LtL>Ablac: its :wq
00:27<Ablac>Nothing works
00:28<Ablac>I can't move the cursor anymore ither
00:28<Ablac>Think it froze :/
00:28<LtL>Ablac: did you edit anything
00:28<Ablac>just a small text file
00:28<Ablac>Well a config file for a third party backup service we just signed up with for this.
00:29<LtL>Ablac: press 'i' does it say --insert--- at he bottom left
00:29<Ablac>It does say -- INSERT --
00:29<Ablac>and i does nothing
00:29<Ablac>I think it froze...
00:30<LtL>Ablac: ok, now hit escape
00:30<LtL>Ablac: insert should disappear, does it
00:30<Ablac>dosnt change
00:30<Ablac>Cant even move the cursor which is in the middle of the text
00:30<LtL>Ablac: try control-c
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00:30<Ablac>It froze
00:31<Ablac>must have :/
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00:32<LtL>Ablac: hrm, reboot, hard reset unless someone has a better idea, then dont use vi
00:32<LtL>Ablac: the file should survive
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00:33<Ablac>I'm not worried about the file
00:33<Ablac>i have a copy of it in a zip
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00:34<LtL>Ablac: something is wrong if vi locks up your console session
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00:34<Ablac>ya :/
00:34<Ablac>I will try nano
00:35<LtL>Ablac: yeah, no emacs either ;)
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00:35<Ablac>no emaacs??
00:36<LtL>Ablac: its another editor, nano is light, easy
00:36<Ablac>Ok how i save in nano?
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00:38<LtL>Ablac: ctrl+x say 'y' for yes hit enter
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00:41<LtL>Ablac: press 'y' that is, then enter
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00:41<Ablac>got them saved
00:41<Ablac>now just need to run
00:42<Ablac>it won't run perl threw an error :/
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00:44<Ablac>Every time i try to run a backup perl throws an error
00:45<LtL>Ablac: dpkg-reconfigure locales
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00:47<Ablac>Still get the error
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00:48<LtL>Ablac: your system is seriously messed up
00:48<Ablac>No worries
00:49<Ablac>any work around?
00:49<Ablac>to fix this...
00:49<LtL>Ablac: thinking
00:50<LtL>Ablac: apt-get install debconf ...maybe
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00:51<LtL>Ablac: then dpkg-reconfigure locales
00:51<Ablac>debconf is already installed
00:51<selbeimanti>hi, i hooked up my ssd with a working debian testing to a lenovo x230, and now everything works but the wifi. how can i diagnose/fix this?
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00:52<selbeimanti>i'm running kde, and there's no network gadget in the kde bar (don't know how this bar is called)
00:52<Ablac>do i have to mount /usr
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00:53<Ablac>nope its mounted.
00:53<LtL>Ablac: yeah i figured it was installed, silly. try export LC_ALL=en_US
00:54<Ablac>bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US)
00:54<themill>using the C locale would be safest. But it's only a warning anyway
00:55<scientes>C locale is also faster
00:55<LtL>Ablac: and export LANGUAGE=en_US
00:55<scientes>just stick to LANG=C
00:55<Ablac>No message on that one
00:55<LtL>Ablac: what themill andf scientes said
00:55<scientes>if you run in a chroot, you have to do dpkg-reconfigure locales
00:55<scientes>and then compile your locale that the host uses
00:55<scientes>cause that gets inherited with the chroot
00:56<Ablac>not sure which locale they use
00:56<Ablac>Its hosted in Germany if that helps
00:56<scientes>that stops the annoying error messages
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00:56<scientes>this is only for chroots however
00:56<jm_>dpkg-reconfigure asks about system wide locale too ...
00:56<jm_>but for chroot that typically won't apply
00:56<scientes>jm_, but the default is no system-wide locale--to inherit instead
00:56<Ablac>When i do dpkg-reconfigure locales
00:56<Ablac>it asks me to select a locales I've been slecting All Locales
00:57<themill>all you're doing is copying off your data to reinstall. Don't spent too much time on getting rid of silly warning messages like that.
00:57<scientes>jm_, and yeah it doesn't use that unless you do something like systemd-nspawn
00:57<Ablac>I can't cause the warning message is stopping the transfer :/
00:57<scientes>yeah you can safely ignore locale warnings
00:57<scientes>it will always fall back to LANG=C
00:57<scientes>anything else is a bug
00:58<scientes>in debian is it OK to have LANG=C NOT english?
00:58<scientes>aka software not written in english?
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00:59<Ablac>How do i check server time?
00:59<LtL>Ablac: date
00:59<jm_>why don't you read some grounding docs?
01:00<Ablac>if i setup the schedule correctly...
01:00<Ablac>it should force a backup in 4 min
01:03<LtL>Ablac: i need to go, best of luck :)
01:04<Ablac>not sure where the backups pulling from ATM..
01:04<Ablac>its defiantly not pulling from the file i told it to...
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01:17<Ablac>the backups not working cause freaking perl
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01:26<Ablac>The backups working!
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02:02<Ablac>For a server should i get Debian 6.0 LAMP or Debian 6.0 minimal
02:02<SamB>I'd get READING-LAMP
02:03<Ablac>Whats the difference?
02:03*SamB is kidding
02:03*SamB should probably go to bed ...
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02:03<Ablac>Should i get Debian 6.0 LAMP or Minimal?
02:04<tpo>Hello everyone. I downloaded one of Kenshi Muto's ISO images. If I cat it to a USB stick it doesn't boot. How to make it bootable?
02:05<scientes>Ablac, you should install wheezy (testing) IMHO
02:05<scientes>as it should be released in a few months
02:05<scientes>and is frozen
02:05<Ablac>Think I'm gan a stick with Squeeze
02:05<scientes>if you have any real reason to go with squeeze do so
02:05<Ablac>And i don't have the option of installing Weezy
02:05<scientes>but if you don't i would go with wheezy
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02:06<SamB>why not wheezy?
02:06<Ablac>I don't have localhost access to the server i have to install stuff through the hosts cpanel.
02:07<dpkg>cPanel is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives.
02:07<Ablac>Control Panel
02:07<Ablac>Its called Robot
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02:07<Ablac>its to control the Dedicated Server which is hosted in Germany
02:07*scientes hates cPanel
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02:09<SamB>so, no root?
02:09<jm_>tpo: you can verify with fdisk -l file.iso
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02:10<tpo>how so jm_? what should it say?
02:11<tpo>jm_ it says "Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table , nor Sun..."
02:11<jm_>tpo: it should show one bootable partition - it's not made for dumping on an USB drive if it doesn't
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02:12<tpo>well it's not then
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02:16<tester>mmm new kernel from backports today for debian-squeeze
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02:52<tester>Hay guise
02:53<tester>I used to have gnome installed on my server, and I had configured the machine to use a proxy in the gui, but now I dont have gnome installed and that proxy no longer exists, I need to clear the proxy setting sfrom the command line, and have no idea where to look.
02:54<ompaul>tester: what program is using the proxy?
02:54<ompaul>tester: I've only got two or three minutes then I have to fly ... so again what program is using it
02:55<tester>System --> Preferences --> Network Proxy
02:55<tester>I set it in there, but without gnome installed, I cant just go back in and change it
02:55<ompaul>so if you remove gnome how is it still there ...
02:55<tester>it is
02:55<tester>the reason I noticed is because clamav couldnt update
02:55<jm_>gconftool would probably list it
02:55<tester>Mon Nov 12 23:50:43 2012 -> WARNING: Incremental update failed, trying to download daily.cvd
02:55<tester>Mon Nov 12 23:50:46 2012 -> connect_error: getsockopt(SO_ERROR): fd=4 error=113: No route to host
02:55<tester>Mon Nov 12 23:50:46 2012 -> Can't connect to port 3128 of host (IP:
02:56<ompaul>tester: cat .bashrc and don't paste it here
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02:56<ompaul>tester: cat i think you'll find it there
02:56<ompaul>or .bash_profile
02:56<ompaul>but then that wouldn't be debian iirc
02:57<ompaul>that looks like squid 3128
02:57<tester>cat: .bashrc: No such file or directory
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02:57<tester>cat: .bash_profile: No such file or directory
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02:57<ompaul>tester: look around there
02:57<ompaul>tester: check your /etc/ and /home/user directory with the following grep 3128 .*
02:58<ompaul>for the home one and /etc/ without the .
02:58<tester>nah nothing in there
02:59<ompaul>does your machine have squid installed
02:59<tester>of course
02:59<ompaul>is this a virtual machine that's having these issues?
02:59<tester>but I recently changed things and made the machine into a router for transparent inline interception
02:59<tester>noid, but I think I might have used a gui tool to configure clam for the proxy
02:59<ompaul>woops times gone
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02:59<tester>nah its a real machine
03:00<tester>checked /etc/clamav/clamd.conf nothing in there about a proxy
03:01<tester>the box is running great otherwise
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03:03<tester>also /etc/wgetrc is clear of proxies
03:03<tester>I found it
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03:04<tester>is was in there /etc/clamav/freshclam.conf
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03:12<tester>what the heck, dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for from 00:13:46:01:a9:96 via eth5: unknown lease
03:12<tester>one of my machines keeps requesting that ip, but my networks using 10.10.1.x network
03:12<tester>flooding my logs
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03:20<CQ>hello,l I need to set a static IP... I've updated /etc/network/interfaces correctly, but init.d/networking stop start doean't work because (i think) gnome network manager is managing the interface... how can I tell it to release it and let it be set statically?
03:21<slush>restart NM
03:22<CQ>[....] Reconfiguring network interfaces...RTNETLINK answers: File exists
03:22<CQ>I did, I even stopped it and then tried networking restart, still get this message, and the IP is teh dhcp one on eth0
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03:28<slush>bring down eth0, then try networking start
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03:30<cq_>hm, off the net now on that machine no matter what I do it seems...
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03:30<simonlnu>ifdown -v $int && ifup -v $int
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03:32<andromedas>hi, I'm running a 64 bit version of debian 6.0.6 (2.6.32-5-amd64) but it does not see all of my RAM. I have 4 gb but it only shows 2.8 gb. any ideas on what is wrong?
03:32<cq>time for a rebot I think, routes are gone
03:32<cq>shouldnt /etc/init.d/networkint start reread interfaces??
03:33<simonlnu>have to be stopped first of course, and yes.
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03:36<jm_>andromedas: why not try a newer kernel first?
03:37<andromedas>jm_: Would a newer kernel work with my graphics drivers? The reason I'm staying with squeeze is because ATI drivers dont work with wheezy
03:38<jm_>andromedas: you mean fglrx?
03:38<andromedas>jm_: yes
03:39<jm_>andromedas: both a newer kernel and a newer fglrx driver are available in backports so I expect the two to work together
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03:40<jm_>I'd normally expect a 32bit kernel to have this issue, it's unusual for a 64bit one to behave this way - perhaps it's a BIOS option (PCI remapping)
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03:42<andromedas>jm_: well, the newer fglrx doesnt work with my card, the driver i currently use is now known as fglrx_legacy (using radeon 4xxx card), the newer fglrx driver doesn't support 4xxx. The best reason why it won't work with wheezy is because of newer X11 versions do not support the legacy driver. So could I get a new kernel and still use the same X11 version and fglrx driver as i do now?
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03:43<jm_>andromedas: what's the fglrx version?
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03:44<cq>hm why does the crypttab line cryptoswap /dev/mapper/lvmswap /dev/urandom swap not work? the cryptoswap doesnt show up in /dev/mapper
03:44<andromedas>jm_: 1:10-9-3
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03:46<cq>cryptsetup -d/dev/urandom create cryptoswap /dev/mapper/lvmswap works fine
03:46<filePeter>cq: Is the line manually added to /etc/crypttab or did the installer ad it?
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03:47<cq>filePeter: I added it manually in a previous installation... it used to work fine
03:47<stephan48>i want to crosscompile i386 application on a wheezy debian amd64
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03:48<cq> looks helpful, esp. the precheck=true part inthe last response
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03:49<filePeter>cq: Check if there is any verbose output, but I suppose you might have to add some encytion information, too - not just »swap« (like cipher=aes-cbc-essiv:sha256,size=128,swap)
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03:50<cq>filePeter: I used to have that and tried without, same result... I'm hoping for the precheck=/bin/true to do something
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03:50<gnugr>stephan48:you have to enable multiarch, but go to #debian-next is for wheezy/sid support
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03:51<filePeter>cq: Setting precheck=true is horribly dangerous and can cause data loss in an instant.
03:52<jm_>andromedas: tried to look in readme but it doesn't mention kernel versions (or I missed it), so unfortunatelly I have no idea if it will work
03:52<filePeter>cq: Is there any error output?
03:52<andromedas>jm_: oh ok, thanks for your help!
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03:55<Marryjusz>i need some help with bumbleebe
03:55<Marryjusz>i compiled it on older kernel and now dont have modules on new
03:55<Marryjusz>what shall i do?
03:56<filePeter>reconpile for the new kernel.
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03:58<cq>filePeter: this is just for swap and tmp
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03:59<cq>filePeter: where would I see errors? dmesg and messages don't show any, there is possibly something during boot thoug...
03:59<filePeter>cq: edit /etc/default/bootlogd
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04:00<cq>filePeter: dont have that file
04:01<david-e>hi, got an old Lenny machine and would like to install few packages. I know Lenny is EOL. My problem is that I need an ftp repository in sources.list and does not work for me
04:01<filePeter>cq: should be
04:01<cq> .. i'll create it
04:02<cq>this is a brand new wheezy installation
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04:03<cq>filePeter: need to work now, thanks for the help, Ill try to solve this end of the week
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04:04<jm_>!tell david-e -about archive
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04:05<Takis_GR>how can change lxde interface language?? When select greek or english language in lightdm i must have greek or english interface in lxde!!!!!!
04:06<filePeter>cq: Good luck!
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04:12<david-e>jm_: s/repository/mirror/
04:12<jm_>david-e: did you read what dpkg told you?
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04:15<david-e>jm_: right, thanx alot
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04:16<jm_>david-e: ok, it turns out is several hosts, and both work for me
04:17<jm_>otherwise the web page points at which provides several other sites for packages, but none of those worked for me for lenny and the bash package
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04:49<Joe>i want to install gcc 4.6.0.
04:50<Joe>threre is a package named ppl-0.11
04:50<Joe>anyone knows how to install it?
04:51<Joe>it has 2 files
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04:51<Joe> and
04:52<Joe>not sure how to build & install it after configure.
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05:14<gnugr>Joe:what debian version are you on?
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05:15<gnugr>,v gcc
05:15<judd>Package: gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.1-1; sid: 4:4.7.2-1
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05:28<peppe>ciao a tutti
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05:29<peppe>a chi posso chiedere per un problema con ubuntu studio?
05:30<gnugr>!it peppe
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05:30<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
05:30<peppe>ok tnx
05:30<babilen>gnugr: No, peppe wants help with Ubuntu. (which is #ubuntu-it on
05:31<babilen>!otherchannel peppe #ubuntu-it
05:31<dpkg>peppe: The channel you are looking for is #ubuntu-it on Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu-it. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://
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05:32*gnugr waves babilen
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06:22<gemamo>buenos días
06:23<Maulkin>Can we help?
06:24<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
06:25<gemamo>ok, solamente queria conversar. Saludos
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07:08<edmund>Hi, I'm having trouble trying to debug a non-booting server (after 130 days of uptime and updates I rebooted to check that it would indeed boot). grub2 loads without any apparent issues but I get not output after "loading initial ramdisk". I am connected with a serial console (console=ttyS0,11520) and parameters such as break=top, break=premount or debug appear to make no difference (no output other than grub's echo). From the gr
07:09<edmund>ub command line after executing insmod for the raid/mdraid/lvm/part_msdos/ext2 modules i can specific the kernel and initrd with tab completion (so it can definitely access /boot/*).
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07:10<jm_>does it really pass "console=ttyS0,11520"?
07:11<edmund>how can i be sure? its definitely on the kernel line (and the machine does not respond to ping even after a few minutes)
07:11<jm_>let's put it another way - is the number passed really 11520?
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07:12<jm_>ok so that's not the issue then
07:12<edmund>i have access to a netboot "rescue environment", i read /proc/cmdline and thats the console option it was using
07:13<edmund>I also tried removing amd64-microcode after mounting the roots fs and binding in /dev & proc and then chrooting to the "real" installation from the netboot
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07:15<jm_>perhaps using early printk would reveal something if your kernel has it enabled
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07:17<abrotman>edmund: tried blindly entering the root password? or hitting ctrl-d?
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07:18<edmund>jm_: trying to found out more about that now, thankyou.
07:19<edmund>abrotman: i will give it a go now
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07:19<jm_>edmund: has it working with 115200 before? that's probably the number you have
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07:21<edmund>jm_: your right, i can't believe i have been typing 11520 for the last day.. its not booting and asking for the root pw for a filesystem check
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07:22<abrotman>oh, sghared win! :)
07:23<edmund>I feel like a fool now, booted to the login prompt, but thank you so much for pointing that out
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07:24<jm_>question is why is kernel not outputing anything then
07:25<abrotman>what architecture?
07:25<abrotman>i had an alpha that stopped showing boot messages after sarge iirc
07:26<abrotman>(wasn't worht figuring out)
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07:29<yuri->I got problem with Czech locale on a non-Xorg machine; its output seems to be ok -; console-setup is set to UTF-8 Latin2; im unable to type any letter with ˇ or ´; eg. it produces ˇS instead of Š
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07:30<engla>yuri-: is it a problem with the keymap? (missing dead keys)
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07:32<yuri->i havent touched keymaps at all
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07:36<edmund>jm_: sorry, typo "s/not/now" booting. thanks again
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07:40<jm_>edmund: no worries
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07:49<niels2>yuri-, engla, yes, sounds quite like a keymap without deadkeys
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07:50<niels2>yuri-, try dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration and choose a keymap with deadkeys
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08:09<ogost>hello everyone!
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08:10<ogost>i'm not sure if this is the right place to ask. if it's not, please point to a more appropriate place
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08:10<ogost>how do i determine if a notebook has bluetooth installed?
08:11<ogost>running wheezy
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08:11<ogost>will lspci show the internal bluetooth?
08:11<babilen>ogost: Ok, *the* wheezy channel is #debian-next, but that question is fine. What do you mean by installed? Are you after software that enables you to use bluetooth or do you want to check if the hardware is there?
08:11<edmund>ogost: possibly, also try lsusb
08:12<ogost>well yeah i meant the hardware. thanks, both of lsusb and lspci don't show any bluetooth related hardware
08:12<babilen>ogost: Most USB controllers are connected via USB so edmund's suggestion makes a lot of sense.
08:12<babilen>*Most bluetooth :)
08:13<ogost>i was just wondering to disable the bluetoothd from startup. thanks guys! youre the best!
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08:16<babilen>ogost: update-rc.d bluetoothd disable
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08:16<niels2>or he could remove the bluetooth-related packages altogether
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08:24<yuri->niels2: which one is supposed to be the one with deadkeys?
08:24<yuri->there is a plenty of various models
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08:25<niels2>yuri-, give me a minute or three ;)
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08:39<niels2>yuri-, sorry, doesn't do anything here. i have localepurged anything here that i don't need, which might be a problem
08:40<yuri->ah, ok
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08:50<CQ>hello, any ideas why iceweasel is still at v10 in testing? I don't see any reason for it in the testing summaries...
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08:55<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
08:55<Maulkin>CQ: Because that's all that's in unstable too
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09:18<txuitxe>soy nuevo
09:18<txuitxe>quiero instalar en ubuntu studio
09:18<txuitxe>efectos de escritorio
09:18<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
09:18<txuitxe>como se hace desde comandos
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09:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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10:42<ubuntu_> Hey, I am looking to install Lubuntu on this old computer, but have not been successful; the installer hangs on the Live distro after choosing my language. Oddly enough, the same exact thing happens with Ubuntu 12.10
10:43<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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12:48<daenney>I'm kaving an issue that's getting the better of me. I want to use OpenVSwitch with Debian but still maintain the use of the traditional brctl tools and so forth. To that end openvswitch provides the openvswitch-brcompat package which needs the openvswitch-datapath-dkms module that builds two modules, openswitch_mod.ko and brcompat_mod.ko. In order to enable brcompat you need to load brcomapt_mod.ko and
12:48<daenney>set BRCOMPAT=yes in /etc/default/openvswitch-switch. However, since brcompat_mod is exporting the same symbols as the kernel bridge module you need to blacklist it. Now here's the issue: bridge-utils (which includes brctl) drops two files in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d and if-post-down.d called bridge that do all kinds of stuff. Because of this the kernel bridge module gets loaded (regardless of the
12:48<daenney>blacklist) and hence brcompat_mod.ko can never get loaded. I've tried telling insserv to start openswitch-switch after mountkernfs to avoud this issue however inserv -d seems to be plainly ignoring my changes to the LSB headers. At this point, I'm stuck...
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12:51<Maulkin>daenney: Sounds like a mail to may be a better forum.
12:51<daenney>Maulkin: yeah, I was contemplating that but hoping someone here might have run into this before
12:51<daenney>long shot, but still :)
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12:51<RayzrShrp>how is everyone
12:52<Maulkin>daenney: How've you modified /etc/init.d/openswitch-switch?
12:52<lonewulf85>I am planning to learn linux and programming, I have next to no current experience with programming. I was wondering whether there is a difference between Linux programming and Android programming?
12:53<daenney>Maulkin: not, I've only modified /etc/default/openvswitch-switch to set BRCOMPAT=yes
12:53<daenney>Maulkin: oh wait, sorry, the LSB headers
12:53<daenney>Maulkin: I've changed Required-Sart to mountkernfs instead of $network $remote_fs
12:54<Maulkin>daenney: You should probably have $network $remote_fs too :)
12:54<jmorton>lonewulf85: you generally use Java to program Android, and C or Python to program Linux
12:54<daenney>Maulkin: why though?
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12:54<Maulkin>daenney: Not really a openvswitch person I'm afraid, so not sure on the kernel modules.
12:54<jmorton>those are three very different languages
12:54<daenney>I'd expect mountkernfs to be enough, especially since it kinda needs to happen before/right at the start of $network
12:54<jmorton>so pick your platform and start learning
12:54<Maulkin>daenney: Presmumeably, it still needs network and remote_fs ?
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12:55*Maulkin shrugs though
12:55<daenney>Maulkin: hmmm, guessing so yes... I doubt openvswitch-switch can actually start without $network
12:55<daenney>so that's a fair point
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12:56<lonewulf85>jmorton: So if I want to build apps/programs for both I should learn Java,c,c+,c++ and Python?
12:56<daenney>this is starting to become a serious headache... and all the more confusing, it does work magically out of the box on Ubuntu :|
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12:56<daenney>but I can't find anythign in their packages that would explain that
12:56<jmorton>there's no such thing as C+
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12:56<RayzrShrp>jmorton: didn't MS create C+
12:56<Calinou>lonewulf85: you can make android apps in java, c, c++
12:56<Calinou>RayzrShrp: you mean c#
12:56<jmorton>if you learn Java and C at the same time, you'll find that a lot of their syntax is similar
12:57<RayzrShrp>Calinou: ah yes
12:57<Calinou>and java sucks/.
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12:57<Calinou>(seriously, low level languages are easier, high level languages are faster)
12:57<RayzrShrp>java is a POS
12:57<lonewulf85>HA HA I love the responses I get on here "Java sucks" very nice..
12:58<jmorton>Java does have some problems, yes
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12:58<Calinou>this is #debian, the universal opinionless channel
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12:58<RayzrShrp>omg could upgrading the IOS on a cisco asr9010 take any longer
12:58<daenney>Java is good at certain things, unfortunately it's being aboused for a lot of other things
12:58<lonewulf85>Calinou: Which is the low and high level ones?
12:58<daenney>RayzrShrp: sure it can... pull the serial console cable :)
12:58<Calinou>lonewulf85: low-level: assembler (very), c, c++... high-level languages are python, ruby, perl, lua..
12:59<jmorton>low level languages are things like C, where you have to do memory management and string manipulation the hard way
12:59<RayzrShrp>daenney: I using a 10g link
12:59<Calinou>some high level languages can be compiled, they can also be run interpreted
12:59<daenney>RayzrShrp: ha, didn't see that one coming
12:59<lonewulf85>Calinou: So would it be best for me to learn as many as I can?
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12:59<RayzrShrp>daenney: i blame freebsd
12:59<Calinou>i suggest learning high level languages like lua first, they're easier
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13:00<jmorton>high level languages hide memory management from you and usually provide lots of help with complex data structures - Python provides dictionaries for example
13:00<Maulkin>daenney: I suppose you could just rmmod bridge in the brcompat_mod init script...
13:00<Calinou>python provides oversized standard libraries
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13:00<lonewulf85>Calinou: Cool thanks. I also thank everyone here as well.
13:01<Maulkin>daenney: Bit of a hack, but it should work.
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13:01<RayzrShrp>i have a debian question, why is my fresh install under vmware workstation 9 flooding my inbox with mtp-statusd logs
13:01<Calinou>vmware guy here!
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13:01<daenney>Maulkin: mmm... except that that would destroy any bridge created prior to starting openvswitch-switch
13:01<RayzrShrp>would virtualbox be any better?
13:01<Calinou>virtualbox is always better, and it's free
13:02<Calinou>vmware is the photoshop of virtualization
13:02<Calinou>virtualbox is the gimp
13:02<Maulkin>daenney: Yes, but do you have other bridges running at that time?
13:02<Maulkin>daenney: If so, I give up :)
13:02<RayzrShrp>i used virtualbox before I went to vmware
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13:02<daenney>RayzrShrp: service mpt-statusd stop; insserv -r mpt-statusd
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13:03<RayzrShrp>daenney: thanks, so I assume this is some raid monitoring app that must have been installed by default
13:03<daenney>RayzrShrp: aye
13:03<Airwave>RayzrShrp: I see the same issue. Uninstalling mpt-status should fix it.
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13:03<daenney>Maulkin: yup... we do, there's two created by /etc/network/interfaces... the idea being that those bridges be created through brcompat_mod.ko :|
13:03<RayzrShrp>Maulkin: what is this url?
13:04<daenney>Maulkin: however, that badly fails so back to square one, debian-users@ it is :)
13:04<jmorton>lonewulf85: if you learn both C and Java, you'll get a much more thorough education in programming than if you just learn one of them
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13:04<jmorton>the single most important principle in programming is pointers, which don't exist in Java
13:05<jmorton>if you can't get pointers, you aren't ever going to be a programmer type
13:05<jmorton>so please do include C in your repertoire
13:05<TobiX>USB-Support in VirtualBox is hit-and-miss... I could flash an Android phone with it, but using it to program STM32 microcontrollers is impossible...
13:05<daenney>I hate pointers...
13:06<lonewulf85>jmorton: I planned on learning c as well as a few other languages.
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13:06<jmorton>sounds good
13:06<RayzrShrp>daenney: that insserv is a nice command, never knew about that before
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13:06<TobiX>jmorton: If you never do low-level programming you don't need pointers.
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13:07<jmorton>but to answer your original question - yes Android and Linux are rather different to program for
13:07<daenney>RayzrShrp: insserv is the replacement to update-rc.d since Squeeze if dependency-based booting is enabled :)
13:07<TobiX>jmorton: I agree it makes you a better programmer to know how pointers work
13:07<lonewulf85>Would it be possible to use Unity on other debian based OS's?
13:07<jmorton>TobiX: to understand how the computer works, you need to understand pointers - even if you are not directly using them
13:07<daenney>and update-rc.d used to be the toolie that symlinked startup-scripts in the right rc*.d directories based on LSB headers
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13:07*RayzrShrp looks at lonewulf85
13:07<jmorton>and if you don't know hw the computer works, you can't write efficient code
13:08<RayzrShrp>just just goto line 10
13:08<TobiX>jmorton: But if you are doing GUI-programming in C#, knowing how poinzers work don't help you any...
13:08<jmorton>which is why we seem to need gigaflop capable CPUs in our smartphones these days :-(
13:08<RayzrShrp>so then are most people on debian android fans then
13:08<daenney>jmorton: that's just because HTC and Samsung are idiots :P
13:09<daenney>Huawei does a far better job
13:09<RayzrShrp>although samsung did pull a nice F U to Apple lately
13:09<RayzrShrp>with the 20% increase for their A6 chip
13:09<TobiX>RayzrShrp: I'm not an Android fan. I just use it, because all better mobile OSes went belly-up
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13:09<jmorton>I have Apple, Android and Symbian devices in my pocket right now
13:09<RayzrShrp>TobiX: what was better? symbian?
13:10<TobiX>RayzrShrp: HAHAHA, good one
13:10<RayzrShrp>i have apple for personal and android for work
13:10<stderr>jmorton: Big pockets...
13:10<jmorton>the SYmbian phone is the one with the best battery life
13:10<jmorton>incidentally, it's an ancient Nokia 3310
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13:10<RayzrShrp>isn't that cause it has an lcd display ;)
13:10<TobiX>RayzrShrp: WebOS is more Linux then Android, Maemo/Meego/whatever is more Linux then Android... etc.
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13:10<lonewulf85>I just have android.
13:10<daenney>Symbian ruled the world, best rip-off Nokia ever made
13:10<jmorton>the Android one doesn't have a voice SIM in it, only a data one
13:11<jmorton>even with the display off, the iPhone doesn't last as long
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13:11<jmorton>and that also has an LCD
13:11<TobiX>daenney: You mean Psion not Nokia
13:11<RayzrShrp>i hear webos was nice but palm/usr is full of morons
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13:12<RayzrShrp>i like android but im tired of wondering if and when the new version will be out or if my phone is supported
13:12<daenney>TobiX: eh no, Nokia's Symbian is a decendant of Psion's EPOC
13:12<daenney>hence, best rip-off Nokia ever made :)
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13:12<RayzrShrp>after moto pulled their renig I lost the taste for android
13:12<jmorton>Symbian is still very popular in the third world
13:13<RayzrShrp>and on those super expensive cell phones the celebs have
13:13<lonewulf85>the android brings up a question, why is it that if I am on linux I can play on the net with my phone as a broadband device and my provider never knows. But in windows they know that I am?
13:13<jmorton>apparently it's efficient enough to make really cheap smartphones, which are pretty nice for relatively poor people
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13:13<Calinou>android is free, why does that matter?
13:14<TobiX>daenney: Ah, you mean it that way. Well, they bought Symbian (formally known as Psion), so yeah :)
13:14<Calinou>about specs: we created... x86 processors!
13:14<Calinou>don't be a victim of patent trolls
13:14<daenney>TobiX: yeah, that :) I believe it was even a partnership betwoon Psion, Nokia, Ericsson and some others
13:14<RayzrShrp>the patent system pisses me off
13:14<Calinou>ARM is like someone claiming they invented milk then you need a milk license to sell milk
13:15<TobiX>Calinou: Android is not very good on slow, cheap devices
13:15<lonewulf85>Calinou: I know it is like a friend of mine says with Linux "If it is free it cannot be that good" I was always taught that the best things in life are free :)
13:15<TobiX>daenney: Yeah, see Wikipedia :)
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13:15<RayzrShrp>thats my thoughts too android makes up for poor code with faster chips and more mem
13:15<daenney>TobiX: I was just planning on it
13:15<jmorton>lonewulf85: because most people use Windows, the mobile providers look for Windows fingerprints in the data stream
13:15<TobiX>lonewulf85: air is free ;)
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13:16<Calinou>computers are not, theory proven false
13:16<jmorton>I don't think they can tell the difference between, say, desktop Linux and Android
13:16<MaduritoCacondo>any girl?
13:16<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
13:16<lonewulf85>jmorton: That was what I was thinking also is there not a difference in the data quantity?
13:16<daenney>Maulkin: haha, nice, didn't know dpkg did that :D
13:16<jmorton>my Android phone has a YouTube app
13:17<jmorton>data quantity is huge with that
13:17<TobiX>jmorton: It's actually pretty easy to tell the difference :)
13:17<MaduritoCacondo>ok sorry
13:17<Maulkin>MaduritoCacondo: de nada
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13:17<lonewulf85>jmorton: I was thinking between linux and "Winblows"
13:17<jmorton>TobiX: no doubt it is possible, but the *providers* don't know how to
13:17<TobiX>jmorton: :)
13:17<jmorton>also, MeeGo
13:18<TobiX>jmorton: MehGo ;)
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13:18<stderr>lonewulf85: Maybe they can tell the difference because your windows box is spamming the rest of the world, while your linux box isn't?
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13:20<RayzrShrp>stderr: lol
13:21<miguel>hay alguien ? :-)
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13:21<RayzrShrp>cisco ios xr is some flavor of linux
13:21<miguel>spanish ?
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13:21<RayzrShrp>pretty cool even has vi in it
13:21<miguel>can you speak in spanish ?
13:21<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:22<RayzrShrp>cisco ios xr 4.2.0 is 736M
13:22<miguel>adiosssssssssssssssssssssss a los inglesesssssssssss
13:22<miguel>bye bye
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13:22<MrClerk>espera coño
13:22<MrClerk>hi i have a problem
13:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
13:23<MrClerk>can you help me please
13:23<jmorton>stderr: seems like a similar difference between English-speaking technical types and Spanish-speaking social types
13:23<RayzrShrp>Calinou: so do you only really dislike vmware because it's grossly overpriced?
13:24<Calinou>yes, and proprietary
13:24<MrClerk>i losed the program that i conect in jabber
13:24<RayzrShrp>Calinou: gotcha
13:24<Calinou>we have free-and-freedom stuff that does the same thing, why not use it
13:24<Calinou>it's like photoshop
13:24<RayzrShrp>Calinou: i feel like vmware is faster
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13:25<RayzrShrp>Calinou: and they have better tie-ins to linux for the tools
13:26<retrospectacus>MrClerk: what's your question?
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13:26<RayzrShrp>im not sure about this weechat i've been trying out today
13:26<Calinou>RayzrShrp: it's still evil
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13:27<RayzrShrp>Calinou: lol
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13:28<RayzrShrp>Calinou: do you know if virtualbox supports ubuntu 12.10 yet?
13:28<RayzrShrp>Calinou: or better yet mint 13
13:28<sgu>Hi all, I have a question about bash completion: I see this: complete -d -X '.[^./]*' -F _function command. What does -X '.[^./]' does?
13:28<Calinou>RayzrShrp: VB supports any distro :facepalm:
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13:29<RayzrShrp>Calinou: well yeah it does but it seems to choke on mint 13 with all the 3d support it needs
13:29<blast007>RayzrShrp: virtualbox/vmware/cisco really isn't on the topic of debian support, unless you're having an issue with debian in conjunction with them ;)
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13:30<RayzrShrp>which version of awk does debian come with? awk,gawk or nawk
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13:31<retrospectacus>lol I just checked on 2 servers
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13:33<MrClerk>i have a problem... my mom not love me :(
13:33<retrospectacus>we are only interested in debian problems
13:33<stderr>RayzrShrp: All three are available.
13:34<MrClerk>but is my mom :(
13:34<RayzrShrp>stderr: i know was just wondering what version it came with ootb
13:34<retrospectacus>RayzrShrp: on my freshly debootstrapped servers it's mawk. This PC has gawk but it has a long history
13:35<RayzrShrp>retrospectacus: what does debootstrapped mean
13:35<stderr>RayzrShrp: mawk is "Priority: required".
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13:35<MrClerk>i dont have friends... im not talk about this whit anyone
13:35<Calinou>RayzrShrp: you use DEs that require 3D support? too bad
13:35<retrospectacus>it means I created the debian install with the debootstrap command (as opposed to debian-installer)
13:36<RayzrShrp>retrospectacus: so is that akin to creating a custom image
13:36<RayzrShrp>Calinou: DE?
13:36<Calinou>RayzrShrp: it means the guy doing it used the "l33t", not the normal way to do it
13:36<Calinou>desktop environment
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13:36<retrospectacus>kind of, except not custom at all
13:36<SynrG>MrClerk: log off irc. go join a social club or something
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13:39<retrospectacus>RayzrShrp: you can create debian installs with debootstrap and then run them with chroot or container-based virtualization like <openvz> or <lxc>
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13:43<zulu>hi, I try to make a xrdb -merge .Xresources with .Xresources XTerm*reverseVideo: on without success
13:43<zulu>Is there something I missed?
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13:47<zulu>doing xrdb -query show my properties properly set but there is no effect on xterm...
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13:49<retrospectacus>zulu: perhaps you should ask about that in #xorg on
13:49<stderr>zulu: Shouldn't it be "true"? Or is "on" and "true" the same thing?
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13:50<zulu>yeah, but googling it seems this is the way to do, that why I was wondering if it was not related to sid
13:50<zulu>yeah true == on
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14:50<hermogenes>Some time ago, I stoped following the discussion around binary blobs on the linux kernel image in Debian. Does anyone know what is the current situation on this matter: Does the Debian kernel image still contains binary blobs or it is something like the kernel distributed by the linux-libre project? The last news I was able to find on the web is Does this mean the Debian kernel get rid of all the binary parts
14:50<hermogenes>obfuscated as source code?
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14:52<samson>hello ppl
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14:52<MrFrood>hermogenes: I'm prety sure most of it has been farmed off as modulles in non-free
14:52<sney>hermogenes: debian removes most (if not all) kernel binary blobs and packages them separately in packages available in non-free. e.g. firmware-linux-nonfree, firmware-realtek, etc
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15:02<hermogenes>Thank you, MrFrood and sney
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16:09<retrospectacus>g'day mate
16:09<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:11<josefig>Yo ni sabia que era en inglés!.. Just kidding :P
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16:33<ratnick>how do I set iceweasel to default conditions?
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16:34<FragByte>ratnick: backup your bookmarks and write down your addons if you want to keep them
16:34<saep>i would purge and reinstall it
16:34<retrospectacus>ratnick: try mv: ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-old
16:34<FragByte>ratnick: then delete ~/.mozilla/firefox
16:35<retrospectacus>all of the above
16:35<FragByte>no not the whole mozilla, that would reset other mozilla programs too (thunerbird for example)
16:35<ratnick>I don't use any other Mozilla
16:36<ratnick>only iceweasel 10 (backport)
16:36<FragByte>then youre fine although moving it is probably more clever as you have a backup
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16:49<pcuser>Hi, Im trying to use approx to save bandwidth on my VM. Ive configured it, but it won't actually connect - I just get 404 errors on the packages - is approx not passing data on? I can see in netstat -nl that the server is listening. 404 would imply the host is connecting?
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16:50<retrospectacus>indicates that it is working but the packages are not there (404 = not found)
16:50<retrospectacus>check the server logs
16:50<pcuser>yes, but thats why I am using approx, right?
16:51<retrospectacus>I guess.. I'm not familiar with approx
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17:07<pcuser>OK, for those who need to find this on the internet in the future: you need to append whatever word is in your approx file to your normal server specification. eg, if you write "deb http://approx-server:9999/ testing main" this is wrong, and you will get, in /var/log/syslog, "no remote repository for dists", which is a nonsense error messages due to internal bad parsing.
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17:08<pcuser>if you change the apt sources.list to the entry approx wants "deb http://approx-server:9999/APPROX-REPONAME testing main"
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17:10<pcuser>secondly, approx will not let you run it as a standard process, as it think stdin/out is a socket. It doesn't actually check.
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17:11<retrospectacus>supposed to be run through inetd then?
17:12<FragByte>pcuser: have you considered using apt-cacher-ng? it has the advantage of requiring only minor changes to the clients und is relatively easy to setup
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17:13<pcuser>I was told approx was the greatest thing, and apt-cache et al was unmaintained?
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17:16<retrospectacus>the -ng suffix usually means someone forked/resurrected a project (next generation)
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17:25<pcuser>retrospectacus, ok, apt-cacher-ng works out of the box. cheers
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18:43<Guest5557>hey guys, i installed the steam beta and want to remove it, its not in my lubuntu software center, any idea how i can remove it? thanks
18:43<Maulkin>Guest5557: Ask ubuntu
18:43<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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19:23<tpo>Hello everyone! I need to know if I can install (and how) the firmware for an Atheros AR9485 wireless card on Squeeze. According to an HCL page the controller is ath9k :)
19:24<dpkg>ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See for more information and supported devices. For Atheros 802.11n USB device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <ar9170>.
19:24<retrospectacus>tpo: all you need is a kernel newer than 2.6.39
19:25<retrospectacus>2.6.39 or newer, I should say
19:25<tpo>retrospectacus: how can I install that?
19:25<retrospectacus>!bpo kernel
19:25<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are at Ask me about <bdo> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current bdo kernel «aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
19:26<tpo>If I may contextualise: I'm trying to install squeeze on an Acer Aspire E1; my problem is that after installation neither the Ethernet (atheros 8151) nor the wireless (ar9485) devices work, so I can't update
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19:27<danijoo_>hey tpo: didnt you want to install wheezy instead of squeeze last time i saw you here? ;)
19:27<retrospectacus>ah. You may want to use a "kmuto" installer then, it installs the newer kernel
19:27<tpo>I did danijoo_ (hello btw) but my screen didn't work
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19:27<danijoo>oh okay
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19:28<tpo>I couldn't see anything on-screen after the installation, just a stereogram-like pattern
19:28<tpo>retrospectacus: I downloaded an ISO image file from kmuto and cat-ed it into a USB, but it didn't boot
19:29<retrospectacus>haven't tried them myself but it should work... you could try using a CD
19:29<retrospectacus>like a caveman
19:29<tpo>retrospectacus: I don't have a cd burner on this machine
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19:30<tpo>that's why I want the other one I purchased working, it has a CD/DVD-RW device
19:31<danijoo>isnt it possible to just download the newer kernel .deb package with another machine and dpkg -i it?
19:31<retrospectacus>you'd probably need dependencies too
19:31<retrospectacus><apt-zip> would help with that
19:32<retrospectacus>or we could try and get your wired ethernet working
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19:32<tpo>retrospectacus: that'd be nice!!
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19:32<tpo>I've got a netinst image of squeeze on a usb right now
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19:34<danijoo>you dont have it installed right now?
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19:35<tpo>do you think this might work??
19:35<tpo>danijoo: no I installed wheezy but as I said, I can't see anything on m screen...
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19:37<danijoo>i dunno if this work but you can give it a try
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19:38<danijoo>this script tells your machine to use the atl1c with your ethernetcard by adding its id to the list of ids which uses that driver
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19:38<retrospectacus>it depends if your device is 1969:1063 or 1969:1073 or 1969:1083
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19:39<danijoo>if your crad works with the driver and is just not added in the supported devices list than it will help
19:39<tpo>retrospectacus: is that info displayed with lspci?
19:40<retrospectacus>yes with lspci -nn
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19:40<tpo>retrospectacus: it's 1969:1083
19:41<tpo>I backed up all the info I could gather on squeeze before installing wheezy hehe
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19:41<retrospectacus>good call :)
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19:42<Guest5561>Errors were encountered while processing:
19:42<Guest5561> grub-pc
19:42<Guest5561> grub
19:42<Guest5561>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) - what can i do
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19:42<tpo>okay, I'll install squeeze using my netinst image... here goes nothing
19:43<retrospectacus>tpo: it won't work :(
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19:43<tpo>why not? :(
19:43<dpkg>The Atheros AR8151 v1.0 Gigabit Ethernet controller (PCI ID 1969:1073) is supported by the <atl1c> driver in Debian linux-image packages since linux-2.6 2.6.32-28 (Debian bug #599771), ask me about <install debian>. AR8151 v2.0 (PCI ID 1969:1083) is supported by atl1c since Linux 2.6.36, ask me about <kmuto> for device use at Debian installation time.
19:43<Guest5561>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) - what can i do
19:44<tpo>retrospectacus: I don't get it...
19:44<tpo>is it because squeeze runs 2.6.32-5?
19:44<retrospectacus>tpo: you have the "v2.0" one - kernel 2.6.36 and up only
19:44<retrospectacus>the thing from the blog might work.... maybe
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19:45<retrospectacus>Guest5561: run "apt-get -f install ; apt-cache policy" and put the output on and give us the URL
19:46<danijoo>ant what about fixing the scrren problem on wheezy instead of getting the wireless to work under squeeze
19:46<tpo>danijoo: the problem is that I can't see anything after the GRUB on wheezy
19:46<danijoo>that might be easier because he might have an internet connection to user under wheezy
19:47<danijoo>tpo: have you tried to boot without x server ?
19:48<tpo>yeah someone told me about that, to edit the GRUB commands... but it didn't work... I can't even see stuff when pressing ctrl+alt+f1
19:49<tpo>the thing goes like this: I see the GRUB loader screen and when booting starts I see a lot of text (as usual) and then, after very few lines (before the screen is filled with text) I get this stereogram...
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19:50<tpo>danijoo: this is all I see after booting:
19:50<retrospectacus>Guest5561: and the other command's output?
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19:52<danijoo>okay. thats weired. maybe we should stick to your network problems ;'D
19:53<danijoo>just install squeeze and try the fix you posted (but dont forget to change the ID in the file to the ID you posted us)
19:53<tpo>well my netinst image didn't boot so I'm downloading a live version, see if the script on the page helps
19:53<danijoo>it this dont work, you have to update to a newer kernel
19:53<retrospectacus>Guest5561: the error is: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?)
19:54<tpo>danijoo how may I do that?
19:54<retrospectacus>Guest5561: so, how is /boot/grub mounted?
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19:54<danijoo>thats the problem tpo. usually this is a one-line command, but without internet connection :/
19:54<tpo>is it possible to download a newer kernel and just install/compile it on squeeze?
19:54<Guest5561>retrospectacus, grub is mounted in 4gb usb pen drive.
19:54<danijoo>thats the only chance tpo
19:55<danijoo>do you have a smartphone with internet connection tpo?
19:55<retrospectacus>Guest5561: that's... not really useful. Paste the output of "mount"
19:55<tpo>well here goes nothing... also, how can I know what version of Debian I'm running on this machine? I installed squeeze but I want something like 6.0.x, I've seen some posts elsewhere that might help
19:56<tpo>danijoo No I don't... I'm kind of allergic to non-computer technologies...
19:56<danijoo>you can print version information by typing uname
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19:57<danijoo>okay. we could have used your internet connection from the phone and stream it via bluetooth :p (i know bt is working on your machine.. remember that pan0 :p )
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19:57<tpo>yeah but I get the kernel version and all that stuff, I want my Debian number version
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19:57<danijoo>if you download a new squeeze netinst, it should be 6.0.6
19:57<tpo>danijoo yeah... I don't know, the mahcine specs say nothing about a Bluetooth :/
19:57<retrospectacus>tpo: cat /etc/*version*
19:58<tpo>thanks retrospectacus
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20:00<retrospectacus>Guest5561: what are you trying to do? Knoppix is not supported here
20:00<danijoo>tpo you can just try to download the kernels .deb file and install it. but there might be some dependencies you must handle with
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20:00<danijoo>i say
20:00<tester>I been having problems all week with hard disks dissapearing
20:00<tester>Ive just been removing them
20:01<tester>but Im down to two hard disks
20:01<tpo>Well apparently the link I posted before works on Debian 6.0.3; I'm running 6.0.6, so it should work, right?? I got to the page above from the last post on this thread:
20:01<retrospectacus>tester: think before you type
20:01<tester>if this continues, man I have to research this
20:01<Guest5561>retrospectacus, sorry. tell me where ?
20:01<tpo>danijoo: what do you mean? Can I just ignore the dependencies or do I have to download the .debs for the as well?
20:01<retrospectacus>tester: compose a useful question, on one line. Do not flood the channel with your ramblings
20:01<danijoo>you need them
20:01<tester>well my hard disks one after the other , BAM,BAM , BAM, I go to look and all of a sudden they arent mounted anymore, which brings my squid to its knees, since the cache is on those disks, any idea where to look to begin trouble shooting this?
20:02<retrospectacus>tester: dmesg
20:02<retrospectacus>tuxcrafter: irc://
20:02<retrospectacus>I mean Guest5561
20:03<tpo>danijoo: so what do I do? how do I find the .deb for a kernel on the debian pages?
20:03<danijoo>tpo: this might work, too :
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20:03<retrospectacus>!tell tpo about apt-zip
20:03<retrospectacus>that should help
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20:06<tester>My syslogs are stuffed with a absurd ammount of dhcp requests, it would seem the default lease time is just a few minutes, I tried changing the lease time to 1 week, but the dhcpserver went nuts, machines were having trouble gettings leases, grrr,
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20:06<tpo>so I'd need to just download the .deb for apt-offline, right?
20:07<retrospectacus>tester: that does not sound related to your disk problem
20:07<tester>no I have several issues
20:07<retrospectacus>one at a time.
20:07<tester>default lease time for isp-dhcp-server is wayyy too low, causes flood of logs in syslog
20:08<tester>I really dont think I need to request a new ip every 5 minutes
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20:08<retrospectacus>tester: so increase it... or do you have an actual question
20:08<tester>I tried to increase it, it failed I had to set it back
20:08<tester>was a complete disaster
20:09<tester>also, I cant pull dmesg for the hard disks errors because Ive allready rebooted three times
20:09<danijoo>tpo: i dont know. maybe its already installed by default. if not, you need the .deb for it, right
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20:10*retrospectacus goes home
20:11<retrospectacus>\o cya!
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20:13<tester>Hmm, I wonder if power management is actually "spin down disks when possible" finally actually doing it with the latest updates
20:14<tester>I dont think thats the problem. because when I rebooted the affected disks did not remount
20:15<danijoo>that wouldnt cause your unmount problems tester.
20:15<tester>And I just tested one of them with Western Digital Data Lifeguard, disk passed
20:15<danijoo>spinning them donw dont unmount them
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20:15<tester>yeah they stil have an entry in fstab, so that didnt dissapear
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20:16<tester>maybe the hard disks ID has changed or something?
20:16<RyanChile>Hello all
20:16<danijoo>tester are you sure it isnt a loose contact or something like that
20:16<danijoo>never heard of a "self-unmounting" harddisk before
20:16<tester>nah man, I had 5 hard disks in there and 2 of them dropped, so I removed them and the controller card they were on
20:16<tester>thinking that the controller card was the issue
20:16<tester>a couple days went by, and now this BAM< one more disk
20:16<danijoo>something in the syslog?
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20:16<danijoo>Hi RyanChile
20:17<tester>man Ive rebooted a long time ago and I run dhcp server with absurdly low dhcp lease time, ( the stock time for iscp-dhcp) so my logs are flooded
20:17<RyanChile>hi danijoo
20:17<tester>I have many dhcp clients on my network, now you know why I was complaining about the lease time
20:17<danijoo>there should still be some old syslogs tester. The are called syslog.1 then (and be compressed)
20:17<tester>erm yeah
20:17<RyanChile>I've been looking for some information, I learned today about live-build, however I am looking for a tool that can convert an already existing Debian install into a runnable live-cd
20:23<danijoo>RyanChile: Maybe this helps you.
20:23<tester>sec, I gotta scp them over and have a look
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20:23<RyanChile>danijoo: I am aware of that page, thanks. I'd like to see if there is a way to avoid "starting from scratch"
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20:23<danijoo>i dont think so RyanChile
20:23<RyanChile>Another possible choice would be to use live-build over a VM and copy the current config there, not too sure how would that work out
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20:23<RyanChile>darn, called for dinnertime, thanks for advice, will stay
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20:28<tester>anyone know wtf this is? <gettext_domain> not understood below <schema>
20:28<tester>I get that recently when Im installing software using apt
20:28<abrotman>use a pastebin to show us
20:30<babilen>tester: Throw in "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy apt" as well
20:30<tester>thank you gentlmen, this will take a moment.
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20:36<tester> <--- apt
20:37<tester>, unrelated to my disk errors, this is a diff machine entirely
20:38<tester>waterloo is in there for libdvdcss, in case your wondering
20:40<abrotman>those are just warnings
20:40<abrotman>do they happen every time
20:40<babilen>tester: That looks rather like a gconf error than an apt-get one...
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20:40<judd>No bugs were found in package
20:40<abrotman>not error!
20:40<babilen>err :)
20:40<abrotman>dpkg: dbugs 619465
20:40<dpkg>DONE:#619465:N[nautilus-pastebin] WARNING: node <gettext_domain> not understood below <schema> (); Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:36:01 UTC []
20:41<babilen>and yeah .. warning
20:41<tpo>Im doing "cat file.iso > /dev/sdc" to copy an iso image to a usb; the iso is supposed to be bootable but it doesn't boot, any suggestions??
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20:42<abrotman>which ISO?
20:42<tester>btw I found a bug in nautilus-pastebin, the gnome-notification applet keeps coming up telling you that nautilus-pastebin was installed requiring a reboot, its there no matter how many times you reboot, the lightbulb thingy
20:42<babilen>tpo: Can you boot other images? Which image is it? Do you sync after copying it? (i.e. cat the.iso > /dev/sdc ; sync" ?
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20:42<tpo>babilen yes I had booted before... perhaps I forgot syncing this time. It's a squeeze live system
20:42<babilen>Which image?
20:43<tester>does anyone else here have nautilus-pastebin installed?
20:43<tpo>babilen its live 6.0.5 amd64 xfce
20:44<tpo>now, should I cat to sdc or to sdc1? I have 1 partition there...
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20:44<babilen>tpo: You should cat to /def/sdc (assuming that is your usb stick)
20:45<tpo>right! brb cat-ing :)
20:45<babilen>tpo: Please make sure that it *is* your stick.
20:45<tpo>yes, it is :)
20:45<tpo>all my hdd's are mounted on sda ;)
20:46<tpo>well.. not mounted there... but you know what I mean
20:48-!-mode/#debian [+l 518] by debhelper
20:48<tpo>yay! it boots!
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20:50<babilen>tpo: Wonderful -- Any particular reason why you don't use a 6.0.6 image?
20:51<tpo>How do I get it babilen? I downloaded the image from the debian page... I wanted a live version and this is the one I got from there.
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20:51<abrotman>babilen: may not exist yet for live images
20:52<babilen>tpo: Ah, live.
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20:53<tpo>Okay, so I want to do is the following: I'm having trouble with my internet devices (wlan and eth) on squeeze, so I installed whezzy but my screen doesn't work after booting (I can only see GRUB and then a few lines of text and then a stereogram, so to speak). So I'm trying this on squeeze
20:53<babilen>tpo: Yeah, 6.0.5 seems to be the lates live image.
20:53<tester>Niiice, just upgraded all my machines to that latest kernel from squeeze-backports, one of the machines locks up when it tries to load the login prompts for gnome-desktop
20:53<tester>had to boot older kernel to get it up
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20:54<babilen>dpkg: tell tpo -about ar8151
20:55<tpo>does anyone think that might work? I got there from the last post itt:
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20:55<babilen>tpo: Which GPU do you have? Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn" to ?
20:55<tester>if your using proprietary nvidia drivers and you changed your kernel, your going to need to reinstall the drivers for them to work, unless I am mistaken tpo
20:55<tpo>babilen: yeah, I'm aware that ar8151 is supposed to work on kernels 2.6.32-25 (or something like that) onwards, but the post on debian forums said he was running it on Debian 6.0.3
20:56<babilen>tpo: Which NIC is it? (lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet)
20:56<tpo>babilen here you go
20:56<tester>network interface card
20:56<babilen>tester: That sounds like a problem with Xorg rather than anything else. Could you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" please?
20:57<tester>yeah its one of those intel i845g integrated chipsets, Ive have nothing but problems with it
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20:57<tpo>if you mean the number you get with lspci -n babilen it is the same as in the post I mentioned (1969 1083)
20:58<babilen>tpo: As mentioned in the factoid dpkg sent you: You need a newer kernel for that particular card (pciid 19691083) -- You can install one by following "/msg dpkg bdo kernel"
21:00<babilen>tpo: Your problems with wheezy might stem from the fact that you didn't supply firmware during the installation (or used an image *with* firmware in the first place) -- Some Radeon GPUs need that or just won't work.
21:00<babilen>tpo: ← download of images with firmware (netinst only)
21:01<tester> i845g lockup with kernel 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
21:01<tpo>babilen which file should I get? a wheezy image? I'd really like to install squeeze
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21:04<babilen>tpo: Then install/use squeeze -- I was merely commenting. Either way you want to install a newer kernel from backports + firmware. You have to enable contrib and non-free for backports as well and you need for install (at least) firmware-linux-nonfree from there too. I would also *strongly* recommend to install iucode-tool and (depending on your processor) either intel-microcode or amd64-microcode
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21:05<tpo>babilen: I'll keep that in mind. Let's suppose for a moment that I can't get my ethernet card to work with the script I pasted here; someone (I don't remember whom, but it was here minutes ago) suggested I use apt-offline
21:05<tester>btw babilen, Ive allready upgraded everything from backports on that box that was available
21:05<babilen>tester: Something is very wrong there. It really shouldn't try to use the mach64 driver, but intel ...
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21:06<tester>ok, ill blacklist mach64
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21:06<babilen>tester: Do you use a /etc/X11/xorg.conf or configuration snippets in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ?
21:06<tester>its all been automatic
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21:07<tester>I didnt setup a conf
21:07<tester>/etc/X11/xorg.conf doesnt exist, to answer your question
21:08<tpo>Also: how do I look for a new kernel image from aptitude/synaptic/apt-get?
21:08<babilen>tester: Hmm, that is slightly weird and pesky. Could you run "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "intel"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf" and try it again?
21:08<babilen>tester: I wonder why the autoconfiguration doesn't work for your GPU :-/
21:09<tester>well, I cant watch videos in vlc either, all I get is audio while youtube videos work fine
21:09<tester>and no hardware acceleration for games at all, even less than this "fine gpu" should be performing at :p
21:09<babilen>tester: Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn ; lspci -n" to ?
21:10<tester>yes, thank you
21:10<tpo>Once I enabled backports, what's the name of the package for a newer kernel??
21:10<babilen>judd: pciid 1002:4c52
21:10<judd>[1002:4c52] is 'Rage Mobility P/M' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' with kernel modules 'atyfb', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
21:11<babilen>tpo: Just follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" as mentioned earlier, but you can just install the "linux-image-amd64" or "linux-image-686-pae" metpackage (depending on your architecture)
21:11<tpo>I'm an amd64... what is pae?
21:11<tester>Do you still adviserunning that command set?
21:12<babilen>tester: which command set?
21:12<tester>mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "intel"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
21:12<babilen>tester: The creation of the configuration file?
21:12<babilen>tester: Yes, please.
21:13<tester>ok im rebooting it now, its in the other room, and I am, "diposed" Ill be there shortly to check its status
21:13<babilen>tester: Just to make sure: The Xorg.log you pasted (i.e. is from the same box as the lspci output? May I see the output of "aptitude search '~i~n^xserver-xorg'" please?
21:13<babilen>tester: Please just ^^^
21:13<tester>the same machin
21:14<tester>oh crap
21:14<tester>sorry Ive got so many ssh sessions open, :(
21:14<tester>I must have made a mistake there
21:14<babilen>I knew it!
21:15<babilen>tester: The machine that Xorg.0.log is from has a Rage Mobnility doesn't it?
21:15<babilen>*Mobility even
21:15<tpo>what filesystem should I use? ext4, 3 or 2? for both my root and home directories
21:15<tester>I scp the darn thing over
21:16<tester>how did I make that mistake ( scratches head)
21:16<babilen>tester: Could we please repeat the exercise with the *correct* and *matching* logs/lspci output?
21:16<tester>lol, absolutely
21:16<tester>one moment, I need to finish up my business here and get bakc into the office
21:16<babilen>tester: I mean I've seen a lot of things, but that ... well ... looked highly suspicious.
21:19<tester>needless to say, that did not work to fix the problem :P
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21:20<babilen>tester: Just to make that clear: You don't want that configuration file I asked you to create on *any* box right now.
21:20<tpo>If I want to increase (later) the RAM of my laptop (it currently has 4 GB) and I'm running a 64-bit system, should I install the pae or not?
21:20<babilen>tpo: I would install amd64 and forget about those bigmem/pae malarky
21:21<tester>Ahh I scp'd to from the machine back to itself, lol
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21:22<tpo>While we're on the subject: what kernel version should I install? Will aptitude allow me doing it without asking me to upgrade?
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21:23<Joe>hello all,
21:23<tester> corrected i845 paste
21:24<Joe>i want to install gcc 4.6.0.
21:24<Joe>but it need ppl-0.11
21:24<Joe>i download the code for ppl-0.11
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21:24<Joe>but do not know how to install it.
21:24<babilen>tpo: I would recommend to install the amd64 architecture and the linux-image-amd64 metapackage. Apart from that: You can either run the kernel that comes with your release or (if you are running stable) install a newer kernel from backports.
21:24<Joe>can any one pls help me?
21:25<babilen>tpo: Given that you want to use your network card you *have* to install a newer kernel from backports (i.e. "apt-get -t squeeze-backports linux-image-amd64") Don't forget to install firmware packages (if needed) from backports too!
21:26<tpo>uhmm.. debian installer tells me that grub installation failed. "The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/"...
21:26<babilen>Joe: Which version of Debian do you use?
21:26<babilen>tpo: Where did you try to install it to? MBR?
21:26<danijoo>babilen to make clear what tpo wants (because i have to go now and cant continue help him): he needs a newer kernel because the old one dont support his ethernet card. he tries to get the packages via apt-zip because he cannot access the internet with the machine and needs a kernel > 2.6.32
21:26<tpo>babilen: if I got you before, I should install firmware-linux-nonfree, iucode-tool, amd64-microcode and a newer kernel, right?
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21:27<Joe>i do not use debian.
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21:27<tester>2.6.32 sucks, why not use 3.2.0-0 from bpo??
21:27<Joe>i downloaded ppl-0.11.tar.gz from web
21:27<babilen>Joe: What do you use?
21:27<tpo>danijoo, babilen: both my ethernet and wireless cards don't work under squeeze... my wireless is atheros ar9485
21:27<danijoo>i didnt say he should choose 2.6.32 - i said he need sth greaterr 2.6.32..
21:27<tester>dude^^ ar9485 doesnt work in 2.6.32
21:27<babilen>danijoo: Yeah, I figured as much (wasn't aware of the apt-zip part though)
21:28<Joe>also gcc-4.6.0.tar.gz
21:28<tpo>babilen: I don't know where debian installer tried to install GRUB, it didn't prompt... it is usually MBR right?
21:28<babilen>tpo: Is that a new installation?
21:28<Joe>but when i try to install ppl-0.11
21:28<tpo>yes, new installation
21:28<babilen>!tell tpo -about kmuto
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21:28<Joe>after ./configure --prefix=/usr/ --with-gmp=/usr/
21:28<babilen>tpo: Please use the kmuto installer for the installation. It comes with a newer kernel and firmware out of the box and will make your life much easier.
21:28<Joe>i do not know how to install
21:29<Joe>because make not work
21:29<babilen>Joe: Which linux distribution do you use?
21:29<Joe>make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
21:29<tpo>babilen: I got an iso image from kmuto but does it install everything I need?
21:29<babilen>!ubuntuirc Joe
21:29<dpkg>Joe: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
21:29<babilen>Joe: This is #debian not #ubuntu -- Please ask in their channel. Ubuntu is offtopic here.
21:29<Joe>ok. thank you
21:30<tpo>babilen: okay, what image do you suggest?
21:30<babilen>Joe: Good luck (and you just want to upgrade to the newest Ubuntu version btw)
21:30<Joe>join #ubuntu
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21:30<babilen>tpo: The kmuto one
21:30<tester>tpo, I can walk you through installing kernel 3.2.0-0 on debian squeeze if thats what your trying to do
21:30<tpo>babilen do you mean the first one on the page?
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21:30<babilen>tpo: Ah, yes.
21:31<tpo>tester: I'm not really sure what I am trying to do... well, apart from getting my internet devices to work on squeeze
21:31<danijoo>gonna get some sleep now. bye o/
21:31<babilen>tester: AFAICT tpo is currently installing and doesn't have a network connection *at all* -- It is therefore much easier to just use an installer that supports his/her hardware.
21:31<tester>well sure you have an ar9485 and kernel 2.6.x and its not working, amirite?
21:31<danijoo>(and good luck with your neveer ending network story tpo :p )
21:31<tester>then pm me and well get that working in no time
21:31<tpo>I'm a guy btw :)
21:32<tpo>thanks danijoo o/
21:32<babilen>tester: Just keep it in the channel
21:32<tester>ok, then, well its simple
21:32<tester>add backports to your /etc/apt/sources.list
21:32<babilen>tpo: hang on -- you confused me with the grub installation -- do you have squeeze installed or not?
21:32<tester>I have the list if you would like a copy of my source.list btw,
21:32<babilen>!bdo kernel
21:32<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are at Ask me about <bdo> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current bdo kernel «aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
21:33<babilen>tester: tpo is aware of ^^^
21:33<tpo>babile: nope, I'm starting over in expert mode
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21:33<babilen>tpo: Ok, screw that and use the kmuto installer. It comes with a backported kernel and firmware and you should have internet conenctivity even during the installation
21:33<tpo>yes, I've seen the bdo and the kmuto pages... I'm currently downloading the first image on the kmuto page
21:34<tpo>babilen: as soon as it finishes downloading I will :)
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21:35<tester>im writing you a short tutorial on paste tpo, one second
21:35<tpo>well chrome says it should take about half hour so I'll get me a spot o'nosebag...
21:36<tpo>thanks tester :)
21:36<babilen>tester: tutorial to do what?
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21:36*simonlnu is wondering also
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21:39<tester>tpo, here --->
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21:39<tester>tut to upgrade your kernel to get your ar9485 working
21:40<tester>easy as pie
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21:40<babilen>tester: Have you even been following our discussion?
21:41<tester>I was busy writing that
21:41<tester>I missed a bit of discussion, my apologies
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21:42<tpo>Now that was some lovely cold pizza... tester, as babilen said my problem is that I don't have funcionality of neither ethernet nor wireless on squeeze... but thanks mate!
21:42<tester>what the heck is a kmuto installer???
21:42<babilen>tester: Couple of comments: 1. Not everybody is in the US (hard to believe for Americans, I know). Therefore use as mirror to recommend in here not some that is specific to a region (/msg dpkg
21:42<babilen>dpkg: tell tester -about kmuto
21:42<sney>!tell tester about kmuto
21:42<tester>oh cool, a way to get slightly newer kernels than what bpo has to offer?
21:43<babilen>tester: 2. You can just install a metapackage for a kernel that depends on the newest version. In this case linux-image-amd64 is the one to go for.
21:43<babilen>,depends linux-image-amd64 --release squeeze-backports
21:43<judd>Package linux-image-amd64 in squeeze-backports/i386 -- depends: linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64.
21:43<sney>tester: 3. feel free to use deb-multimedia, but it's not recommended to just dump it on people for no explicit reason
21:43<tester>yeah I was a bit confused about that, coz apt wanted me to install that and I allready had bp0s kernel installed
21:44<tester>I was really confused, because I was like "ok I allready installed kernel from bpo, why would I need that??"
21:44<babilen>tester: Yeah, debian-multimedia is considered harmful by many people ... apart from that: good write-up :)
21:44<babilen>dpkg: tell tester about metapackage
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21:45<tester>ok well, I gotta dig into these syslogs to try and find out why my hard disks are dropping like flies
21:45<tester>ive only got two more disks in that machine, if either of those decide to stop mounting im in trouble
21:45<tester>its my router and my squid box, it goes down, a dozen people come in here and lynch me
21:45<sney>tester: maybe some redundancy would be a good idea for the mission critical stuff.
21:46<tester>yeah im sort of regretting upgrading that one to backprots
21:46<tester>I didnt have any issues like this until I did that
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21:47<sney>the bpo kernel doesn't nuke disks on its own. disks die because of usage and bad luck
21:47<sney>and if it's important, use raid
21:47<tpo>Oi, mates! How useful is knowing python to help develop debian? I ask because I'm learning python next semester
21:48<sney>tpo: python is pretty common but C is still the big one
21:48<sney>still, knowing and understanding any language is a good start to learning other ones
21:48<tester>man my syslogs are useless, absolutely FLOODED with dhcp requests every 10 minutes from 2 dozen machines
21:48<tpo>sney yeah, I know... but my programming skills are scarse, to say the least... and I more or less understand python
21:48<tester>every 600 seconds to be precise, which is the default lease time for isc-dhcp-server
21:48<bones_was_here>tester: grep is your friend
21:49<tester>nah theres nothing in there at all man, thats what Im saying
21:49<tester>its completely washed out
21:49<tpo>hey I remember many names from last night... do you all come here daily??
21:49<tester>I do, I use this name when Im not pissing off the mods and getting kicked
21:49<sney>tpo: my client doesn't leave but I'm not always actually here
21:50<sney>people like me and babilen and simonlnu are fixtures. tester I'm not sure about. other nicks?
21:51<tester>Honestly, I enjoy helping when I can, learning and using debian, I want to be a productive member of this community by finding bugs and reporting them, so developers have the information they need to fix the issues we face. Not to "piss off the moderators"
21:51<bones_was_here>tester: that doesnt quite make sense because (at least by default) syslogs get rotated on a daily basis and not because they reached a certain size
21:52<tester>they are only about 500k
21:52<tester>the gz's
21:52<tester>so they are washed out
21:52<tpo>Okay, so this backported iso from kmuto is it live or just install?
21:52<tester>500k decompressed that is
21:52<bones_was_here>look in dmesg if you're after hdd fail messages
21:53<tester>its also washed out
21:53<tester>too low of a dhcp lease time for isc-dhcp-server
21:53<tester>my logs are flooded with dhcp requests from dozens of machines
21:53<bones_was_here>lol its not normal for dhcp stuff to get into dmesg
21:53<tester>you must realize this went down while I was away and was like this for hours
21:54<bones_was_here>like i said, that doesnt matter, the logs don't get rotated because of size
21:54<sney>tpo: installer. debian live cds always explicitly say "live"
21:54<tpo>right!!! okay, here goes nothing
21:54<tester>ok ill check the compressed dmesg, I allready checked the normal ones,
21:54<bones_was_here>if your dhcp server is putting errors in dmesg you need to fix it
21:55<sney>and if it's just flooding your logs with info then you should turn the log level down
21:55<simonlnu>and maybe set a higher lease time...
21:56<simonlnu>fixture? i am not an object! :P
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21:56<simonlnu>sney: teehee
21:59<tester>wow dmseg is only about 30k before it gets compressed
21:59<sney>tester: you don't have to give the channel the play by play. let us know if you find something.
22:00<bones_was_here>correction: zcat and grep are your friends ;)
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22:01<tpo>uhmmm excuse me but my usb with the kmuto image doesn't boot... I did "cat file.iso > /dev/sdc;sync"
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22:02<sney>and you let the sync finish before removing the drive?
22:02<abrotman>zcat you mean?
22:02<tester>only thing I see so far about the last disk to screw up, so far is this
22:02<tester> 13.596747] EXT4-fs (sdc1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
22:02<tpo>sney yes
22:02<tpo>it all finished
22:02<tester>but that was just it mounting when it mounted the others
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22:03<sney>tpo: can you mount the drive? those usb drives do go bad after a while
22:03<simonlnu>for a gzipped log file? :)
22:03<tpo>sney yep it's mounted on this computer
22:04<bones_was_here>tester: try searching for 'ata' (assuming you're using pata or sata hdd's)
22:04<tester>nothing in there
22:05<tester>it lists them as sata drives, even tho they are ata
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22:06<tpo>should the drive be mounted when doing cat?
22:06<tester>theres no errors in any of those dmesg archives related to my hard disks
22:06<tester>just looks like normal messages that get passed during initial startup
22:06<simonlnu>tester: no
22:06<tester>when I went to look the disks were no longer mounted
22:06<tester>I would reboot, and they wouldnt remount
22:07<tester>thats the sympton
22:07<tester>this is after several days of solid uptime
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22:07<tester>as I stated before, this happened a few days ago, and I assumed I had a failed hard disk controller, so I removed the Promise controller and the disks attached thinking that resolved the issue
22:08<tester>then today, it happened again, to a single disk attached directly to the board
22:09<tester>I run tests on the disks, the manufacturers diags, and the disks are fine and pass
22:09<bones_was_here>have you pastebinned the error when trying to mount?
22:09<tester>so my disks arent failing
22:09<tester>I cant find the error in my logs
22:09<tpo>babilen help please! the usb with the iso image I downloaded from kmuto doesn't boot
22:09<tester>and Its a production machine
22:09<tester>I had to remove the disks adn get it back up asap
22:10<tester>my syslogs are useless because they are flooded with dhcp requests, completely washed out, and my dmesg shows no errors, went through all of the compressed archives, nothing
22:10<bones_was_here>well you're unlikely to get help in here unless you can paste some info
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22:10<tester>well, Im going to see if I can address this isp-dhcp lease time issue, so my logs arent flooded, or at least configure my machine not to pass dhcp logs to the syslog
22:10<simonlnu>grep -v DHCP
22:10<bones_was_here>your logs aren't useless, because they don't get 'washed out', that's not a thing
22:10<tester>dude, they are washed with dhcp requests, Ive allready been through them
22:11<tester>all the archives too
22:11*simonlnu keeps thinking washed out like the colour got removed or something
22:11<bones_was_here>they are not some small buffer with a limited size, so what you're saying does not happen
22:11<tester>600 seconds is the default least time, now imagine 24 machines doing that for 16 hours
22:11<tester>thats a washed out log
22:11<simonlnu>grep -v DHCP
22:11<bones_was_here>no, it's one you need to use tools to analyse
22:11<tester>dude, its washed
22:11<tpo>should I do something with this boot-amd64-0315.img.gz file????
22:11<tester>ive allready looked, but thank you
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22:12<bones_was_here>maybe you removed the disk that had the relevant errors logged on it
22:12<RayzrShrp>sup debian
22:12<tester>lol, /var/log isnt located on a slave disk
22:13<simonlnu>tpo: ungzip it first if you wanna use it on the stick
22:13<bones_was_here>lol? at me not being able to perfectly guess all the details of your setup?
22:13<simonlnu>tpo: or use zcat like abrotman said earlier
22:13<bones_was_here>anyway good luck :P
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22:13<simonlnu>tester: dude, you need some cli skills
22:14<tpo>simonlu: right, but then what do I do with the iso image I downloaded?
22:14<RayzrShrp>numchuck skills, cli skills
22:14<tester>sirdancealota, ive been through my logs, I dont know what you dont get about, they are washed out with isp-dhcpserver dhcp lease requests, please do not insult me
22:14<tester>nice autocomplete someones name when I typed sir, awesome (NOT)
22:14*simonlnu sighs and wanders off
22:15*RayzrShrp shurgs at simonlnu
22:16<RayzrShrp>is there a more detailed way to view a package other then apt-cache showpkg?
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22:18<abrotman>RayzrShrp: what more details do you want?
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22:19<RayzrShrp>well for instance in ubuntu the software center has a lot more information about packages, is that being stored in a seperate db exclusive to software center or do the packages themselves contain that information?
22:19<abrotman>what "more information"
22:19<RayzrShrp>just a more verbose description of what the package does
22:19<abrotman>RayzrShrp: apt-cache show bash
22:20<abrotman>instead of showpkg
22:20<simonlnu>you want the description field i suppose
22:20<simonlnu>showpkg is just the short one
22:20<RayzrShrp>ah yes exactly
22:20<abrotman>right, apt-cache show foo
22:20<RayzrShrp>i suppose a man apt-cache would have shown me that :facepalm
22:20<simonlnu>yep =)
22:21<bones_was_here>aptitude shows that stuff too
22:21<RayzrShrp>is aptitude still around?
22:21<abrotman>aptitude is newer than apt-get
22:21<bones_was_here>ubuntu removed aptitude iirc :P
22:21<RayzrShrp>maybe thats why I think its gone
22:23<tester>grr, I need to figure out how to redirect isp-dhcp-server logs somewhere other than syslog
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22:23<tpo>simonlnu: i zcat-ed the img.gz file but it still doesn't boot :(
22:23<abrotman>tpo: does your bios support usb booting?
22:24<tpo>yes, I've booted from USB before
22:24<tpo>I'm trying to install the kmuto 0315 image, but neither the iso nor the img.gz seem to work
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22:27<tpo>okay the instructions here say that I should zcat the img.gz file and then copy the iso... do I copy it as it is to the usb stick??
22:27<tpo>btw I'm following those instructions as per instructions of dpkg :)
22:27<tester>Question regarding log facility, I need to find LESS of my dhcp servers logs in my syslog its current logging facility is set to "log-facility local7;" is there a way to change that number and get these damn dhcp requests out of my syslogs?
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22:29<tester>I mean local7 can I change that number and get those god damn dhcpserver logs out of my syslog that way?
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22:30<tester>nvm, I figure it out, log-facility local3 for errors only
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22:31<RayzrShrp>anybody tell me what avahi-deamon is?
22:31<abrotman>RayzrShrp: apt-cache show avahi-daemon
22:31<RayzrShrp>fair enough
22:32<tpo>can anyone help? I'm trying to install kmuto's squeeze image 0315 and dpkg told me to follow these instructions so I've zcat-ed the boot-amd64-0315.img.gz file into a USB stick... now what? Do I just copy the ISO image as it is into the usb stick or do I cat the iso image?
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22:32<RayzrShrp>abrotman: E: no packages found
22:32<abrotman>wait ..
22:32<abrotman>RayzrShrp: spell it correctly
22:32<abrotman>tpo: you got the wrong imag ei think
22:33<tpo>abrotman: what is the correct image then?
22:33<RayzrShrp>ah multicast DNS
22:33<tpo>abrotman: I'm downloading from here:
22:34<abrotman>tpo: btw .. the bot says to only follow those instructions if you're using lenny
22:34<tpo>abrotman: I've already downloaded and cat-ed them into my usb stick, but it doesn't boot
22:34<abrotman>tpo: you downloaded a different fie
22:34<tester>hay RayxrShrp, just ignore the airmon-ng warning about avahi
22:34<tpo>abrotman: the bot says I use the lenny instructions for usb installing
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22:35<tpo>so that's what I did
22:35<abrotman>tpo: no, it doesn't
22:35<abrotman>For a USB install, use the lenny instructions:
22:35<abrotman>bah, it lies
22:35<abrotman>tpo: get the ISO i linked above .. cat it to the usb stick
22:35<RayzrShrp>tester: i don't have those errors
22:35<tpo>abrotman: I have, but it didn't boot
22:35<RayzrShrp>just have an invalid response error
22:35<abrotman>tpo: so none of the media boots, bu tthe squeeze ISO works ?
22:36<tpo>abrotman: how can I know that?
22:36<tester>I wonder if my power supply is failing, and thats why the box cant mount the disks, they are dissapearing in the bios too
22:36<abrotman>tpo: didn't you try another installer?
22:36<tester>even tho the disks test fine on another machine
22:37<RayzrShrp>maybe the drive is failing
22:37<abrotman>tpo: you jumped straight to the kmuto installre?
22:37<tpo>abrotman: I've tried squeeze-live from the debian repos and wheezy-live also and they worked... well, they booted
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22:37<abrotman>tpo: which version of Debian are you trying to end up with?
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22:38<tpo>abrotman: not quite; I'm using kmuto because my eth and wireless don't work on squeeze; they work on wheezy but my screen doesn't. This is all I see after wheezy boots:
22:38<sney>buggy framebuffer driver
22:39<abrotman>tpo: nvidia? ati?
22:39<sney>depending on hardware it can be an easy fix
22:39<tpo>Not even in recovery mode can I see a console, just a pattern similar to that one
22:39<tpo>abrotman: radeon
22:39<abrotman>tpo: did you try disabling hte fb?
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22:39<tpo>abrotman: disabling what?
22:40<tpo>what's that?
22:40<abrotman>when does the screen go wonky?
22:40<abrotman>when it boots, or when X starts?
22:40<tpo>just after it boots
22:40<abrotman>!tell tpo about fb
22:41<tpo>I can see the GRUB menu and then a few lines (the usual lines of debian booting) and then those patterns
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22:42<tpo>abrotman: when I said lines I was refering to lines of code, not actual "lines"
22:42<abrotman>okay, doesn't change what i'd try
22:42<RayzrShrp>so if im getting errors about inavlid response packets for avahi in logs is that an issue
22:42<tpo>abrotman what would you try?
22:42<RayzrShrp>the ip is my gw for the vmware nat
22:43<abrotman>tpo: what the bot told you about ...
22:44<tpo>abrotman: right... so how do I do that? disabling the fb I mean...
22:44<abrotman>tpo: in the grub menu
22:46<sney>or just boot with the installer, go to rescue mode, make your way to /etc/modprobe.d/ and drop 'blacklist radeon' in a new file
22:46<sney>regenerate your initramfs, reboot, and boom, no more artifacts
22:46<tpo>abrotman: Well it's late for that, I tried installing squeeze and erased my wheezy installation :/
22:47<abrotman>i bet
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22:49<tpo>okay so back to kmuto iso and img.gz files, any ideas of how to make those work with a usb stick???
22:49<RayzrShrp>what is this kmuto thing
22:50<tpo>what I'm trying to do is instsalling kmuto's squeeze 0315 to make my ethernet and wireless cards work,
22:51*abrotman would fix wheezy, not mess with kmuto
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22:51<tpo>!tell RayzrShrp about kmuto
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22:51<sney>I agree with abrotman, especially since you did get the wheezy installer to boot
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22:52<tpo>sney: so I should install wheezy again?
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22:53<sney>yeah, especially since if you have a problem with radeon on wheezy you'll probably also have it with squeeze with a 3.2 kernel
22:54<tester>Ok,, guise, anyone whos been following my bawwing about my dissapearing hard disks
22:54<tester>I think I have the cause of the problem, I recently changed the motherboard from intel to AMD, and I think its pulling too much power from the PSU to power 5 hard disks
22:54<tester>which is why my hard disks are just dropping
22:55<RayzrShrp>disconnect some drivers
22:55<tester>yeah its an old Athlon XP 2400 and its a 200watt PSU
22:55<tester>the p4 was apparently able to handle it for 1 year with 5 disks, but I swapped the board for some reason, but AMD pulled more power than intel so
22:55<tester>lol @200 watt my fellow miscreants
22:56<RayzrShrp>so trying to install debian with a newer kernal
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22:58<tpo>Okay I friend lent me his DVD-RW and I burned the kmuto iso on a CD... it's installing now
22:59<tpo>sney: do you think the problems with my screen will also appear with this kmuto install? If so, is it possible to do whatever abrotman suggested with squeeze? It should be right? It's an option passed to GRUB...
22:59<sney>tpo: well, yeah, you can try that
23:00<sney>tpo: framebuffer drivers are part of the kernel. so when you use a 3.2 kernel, regardless of which debian version, you're getting the radeon framebuffer driver from a 3.2 kernel. it's unlikely that there'd be any difference
23:00<tpo>So let's say my screen f*cks up again and I can pass the option to GRUB so it doesn't load X... what then?
23:01<simonlnu>plus any patches applied to the relevant source files
23:01<simonlnu>(if any)
23:01<sney>tpo: it's nothing to do with X.
23:01<tpo>sney: so what does it have to do with, then? :)
23:01<sney>console framebuffer! modern linux OSes use hardware rendering for the console, not just X11
23:02<sney>anyway, what video hardware do you have? is it a fairly recent radeon?
23:02<tpo>sney: 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Wrestler [Radeon HD 6320] [1002:9806] this is my video hardware according to lspci -nn
23:03<sney>tpo: in that case the proprietary driver is your best option, considering radeon's problem
23:03<tpo>but let's say that I can boot without framebuffer... what do I do in order to fix my problem??
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23:03<sney>which problem? the networking? those will probably be fixed out of the box by the stuff included with kmuot
23:04<tpo>sney: not the networking, the screen
23:04<simonlnu>probably the debian fglrx stuff
23:04<simonlnu>or radeonhd on squeeze
23:04<sney>if you boot without the framebuffer, your screen will look fairly normal. you blacklist radeon and install the fglrx (proprietary) driver that I just mentioned. boom, everything works
23:06<tpo>okay... now, here's the deal: the installer asks me what kernel I should install. My options are: linux-image-2.6-amd64, linux-image-3.2.0.bpo.1-amd64 and linux-image-amd64
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23:06<tpo>yeah, I've seen about the fglrx... do you guys think it'll do the trick??
23:07<sney>tpo: the middle option is the one you're looking for with kmuto
23:07<tpo>sney: good pooint.. here goes nothing
23:07<sney>fglrx doesn't do a console framebuffer and it still supports the radeon 6xxx series, so yeah, should be great
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23:08<tpo>okay, now here's an interesting question from installer: what drivers are to be included on initrd??
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23:08<tpo>my options are generic (all available) and targeted (only include drivers needed for this system)... can you guide me through this please?? :)
23:09<tpo>damn! I just pressed enter... my elbow slipped... I don't know which option was selected :/
23:10<sney>I usually go generic in case of hardware failure so I can boot the drive in another system with minimal headache
23:10<sney>but really, either option is fine
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23:12<hdb2>so the iptables script on the wiki ( starts with *filter, but I can't find any reference to that in the man page. can someone tell me what that line in the script does, or point me to what to look for?
23:12<tpo>should I enable the volatile updates???
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23:15<tpo>Hello? Should I enable volatile updates??
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23:18<dpkg>Debian Volatile was a project aiming at keeping Debian releases up-to-date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It was replaced by the <stable-updates> suite as of Debian 6.0.
23:18<sney>tpo: the answer is "if you want to"
23:18<tpo>sney: I like your style mate! :)
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23:19<tpo>Okay, so I'm in expert mode with ethernet connection (plus one to this installation). Can I choose the fglrx package for installation on this mode?
23:19<sney>tpo: no, the non-free stuff gets installed later
23:20<tpo>well sh*t hehe
23:20<sney>if you skip the "desktop environment" task it'll be easier (don't worry you can select it again later)
23:21<tpo>right, I'll do that... no DE for the moment :)
23:22<tpo>sney: are you a developer? just curious :)
23:22<sney>ha, no, just an old timer. I've been using debian since 2000.
23:22<sney>maybe I will be a developer some day, after I learn to program
23:22<hdb2>answering my own question: *filter refers to the table that the rules apply to :)
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23:26<tpo>hehe so another non-programmer here... I've been trying to learn programming for years, I even ventured into computing engineering... but nay, it was not for me!
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23:35<tpo>okay, finishing the instalation... fingers crossed
23:37<tpo>sney: as you said, the screen doesn't work
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23:38<sney>tpo: I'm off for the night, I'd advise you to blacklist radeon and then follow the instructions I'm about to have the bot send you.
23:39<sney>dpkg: tell tpo about fglrx dkms
23:39<tpo>sney just before you go: how can I turn off fb?
23:40<tpo>I know I must parse the option "fb=false"... but where? In the GRUB options?
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23:41<sney>yeah, when your grub menu shows up you can hit 'e' to change the entry. put it at the end of the line that starts with 'linux'
23:42<tpo>right!... wait just a minute yes? to see if I can see anything by passing that option :)
23:42<sney>alright brb
23:43<tpo>no commas right?
23:44<tpo>okey the line reads: linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 root=UUID=<id of the hard drive> fb=false
23:45<sney>ding ding
23:45<tpo>oops it says "ro single" before fb=false
23:45<tpo>okay so I just boot, right?
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23:47<sney>give it a shot
23:47<tpo>well, no luck... the stereogram is still there
23:47<sney>yeah, I wasn't sure the fb=false thing would work in an installed system. I really think you should boot the installer in rescue mode and blacklist it the normal way
23:48<tpo>how do I blacklist it?
23:48<tpo>what file?
23:49<retrospectacus>tpo: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
23:49<sney>create a new text file in /etc/modprobe.d/ (call it radeon-blacklist.conf so it's easy to remember) and put "blacklist radeon" in it
23:49<sney>or do it that way
23:49<sney>it doesn't really matter where in modprobe.d it is so long as it's in one of the .conf files
23:49<sney>(now retrospectacus is here so I'm going)
23:50<tpo>haha okay sney... g'nite! and thanks mate!!!
23:50<retrospectacus>sney: aahh! I though you'd left :) have a good night
23:50<tpo>retrospectacus: right but I'm on the installer on rescue mode
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23:52<retrospectacus>installer? ... go on. i'm going to read up some
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23:53<tpo>yeah, sney said I should boot the installer in rescue mode and "blacklist it the normal way"... but I don't know what that means...
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