| --- | Log | opened Tue Nov 13 00:00:23 2012 |
| 00:00 | <Ablac> | Last time I was in the Debian Chat I'm not 100% sure what we did, but they had me change the version. |
| 00:00 | <Ablac> | cause i was trying to get java 5 |
| 00:00 | <Ablac> | or 6... |
| 00:00 | <Ablac> | ... |
| 00:00 | <Ablac> | im not sure |
| 00:00 | <Ablac> | newest java |
| 00:01 | <Ablac> | 7.9 |
| 00:01 | <themill> | Ablac: perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy dpkg apt perl openssh-server sysvinit initscripts; apt-cache policy" |
| 00:02 | <Ablac> | http://pastie.org/5370001 |
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| 00:09 | <themill> | ugh |
| 00:09 | <themill> | unstable really has no place on a server. |
| 00:09 | <Ablac> | :o |
| 00:10 | <themill> | Ablac: can I suggest that your best plan of action here is to (a) get your data off this machine using the rescue image that you're currently using and then (b) reinstall squeeze on it and don't use any 3rd party repos and don't mix releases? You can upgrade to wheezy when it's ready to be released (in a few months' time) but don't use unstable. |
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| 00:11 | <Ablac> | :O |
| 00:11 | <themill> | if this machine were at least running squeeze it might be worth trying to rescue it, but it's just not worth it if it's running unstable |
| 00:11 | <Ablac> | I can't get my data off it... |
| 00:11 | <themill> | sure you can -- if you can ssh onto the machine, you can copy files on and off it |
| 00:11 | <Ablac> | Ya but the Rescue |
| 00:11 | <Ablac> | dosnt read the /home file |
| 00:11 | <Ablac> | and all my datas in the /home folder |
| 00:12 | <themill> | do you have a separate partition for /home? if so, then mount that partition too |
| 00:12 | <Ablac> | no |
| 00:12 | <Ablac> | It shouldn't be |
| 00:13 | <Ablac> | No, theres no partitions that i can view. |
| 00:14 | <themill> | Ablac: what's the output of "cat /etc/fstab" |
| 00:14 | <Ablac> | http://pastie.org/5370034 |
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| 00:15 | <themill> | so "mount /home" should work |
| 00:15 | <Ablac> | didn't do anything |
| 00:15 | <Ablac> | Oh |
| 00:15 | <Ablac> | nvm |
| 00:16 | <Ablac> | that time it worked. |
| 00:16 | <themill> | unix commands are normally silent unless there's an error |
| 00:16 | <Ablac> | and i had to back out of the /home directory and cd back |
| 00:16 | <Ablac> | for it to update |
| 00:17 | <Ablac> | Hmm |
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| 00:20 | <Ablac> | Um. |
| 00:21 | <Ablac> | How do i edit a text file in the console? |
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| 00:22 | <themill> | Ablac: "nano filename" |
| 00:23 | <Ablac> | I ended up doing vi (filename) |
| 00:24 | <Ablac> | but not sure how to save it... |
| 00:24 | <Ablac> | hmm |
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| 00:25 | <LtL> | Ablac: hit escape, then type :qw or :wq i forget |
| 00:26 | <LtL> | qw i think |
| 00:26 | <Ablac> | ESC didn't work |
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| 00:26 | <Ablac> | Hmm |
| 00:26 | <LtL> | Ablac: escape exits insert mode, just watch the bottom and type :qw |
| 00:27 | <Ablac> | Think the terminal froze... |
| 00:27 | <LtL> | Ablac: its :wq |
| 00:27 | <LtL> | write-quit |
| 00:27 | <Ablac> | Nothing works |
| 00:28 | <Ablac> | I can't move the cursor anymore ither |
| 00:28 | <Ablac> | Think it froze :/ |
| 00:28 | <LtL> | Ablac: did you edit anything |
| 00:28 | <Ablac> | just a small text file |
| 00:28 | <Ablac> | Well a config file for a third party backup service we just signed up with for this. |
| 00:29 | <LtL> | Ablac: press 'i' does it say --insert--- at he bottom left |
| 00:29 | <Ablac> | It does say -- INSERT -- |
| 00:29 | <Ablac> | and i does nothing |
| 00:29 | <Ablac> | I think it froze... |
| 00:30 | <LtL> | Ablac: ok, now hit escape |
| 00:30 | <Ablac> | nothing |
| 00:30 | <LtL> | Ablac: insert should disappear, does it |
| 00:30 | <Ablac> | nope |
| 00:30 | <Ablac> | dosnt change |
| 00:30 | <Ablac> | Cant even move the cursor which is in the middle of the text |
| 00:30 | <LtL> | Ablac: try control-c |
| 00:30 | <Ablac> | Nothing |
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| 00:30 | <Ablac> | It froze |
| 00:31 | <Ablac> | must have :/ |
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| 00:32 | <LtL> | Ablac: hrm, reboot, hard reset unless someone has a better idea, then dont use vi |
| 00:32 | <LtL> | Ablac: the file should survive |
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| 00:33 | <Ablac> | ah |
| 00:33 | <Ablac> | I'm not worried about the file |
| 00:33 | <Ablac> | i have a copy of it in a zip |
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| 00:34 | <LtL> | Ablac: something is wrong if vi locks up your console session |
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| 00:34 | <Ablac> | ya :/ |
| 00:34 | <Ablac> | I will try nano |
| 00:35 | <LtL> | Ablac: yeah, no emacs either ;) |
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| 00:35 | <Ablac> | no emaacs?? |
| 00:36 | <LtL> | Ablac: its another editor, nano is light, easy |
| 00:36 | <Ablac> | Ok how i save in nano? |
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| 00:38 | <LtL> | Ablac: ctrl+x say 'y' for yes hit enter |
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| 00:41 | <LtL> | Ablac: press 'y' that is, then enter |
| 00:41 | <Ablac> | ya |
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| 00:41 | <Ablac> | got them saved |
| 00:41 | <Ablac> | now just need to run Backup_Script.pl |
| 00:42 | <Ablac> | UGH |
| 00:42 | <Ablac> | it won't run perl threw an error :/ |
| 00:43 | <Ablac> | Nvm.. |
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| 00:44 | <Ablac> | Every time i try to run a backup perl throws an error http://pastie.org/5370103 |
| 00:45 | <LtL> | Ablac: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 00:47 | <Ablac> | Still get the error |
| 00:47 | <Ablac> | http://pastie.org/5370115 |
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| 00:48 | <LtL> | Ablac: your system is seriously messed up |
| 00:48 | <Ablac> | Thanks... |
| 00:48 | <LtL> | sorry |
| 00:48 | <Ablac> | No worries |
| 00:49 | <Ablac> | any work around? |
| 00:49 | <Ablac> | to fix this... |
| 00:49 | <LtL> | Ablac: thinking |
| 00:50 | <LtL> | Ablac: apt-get install debconf ...maybe |
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| 00:51 | <LtL> | Ablac: then dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:51 | <Ablac> | debconf is already installed |
| 00:51 | <selbeimanti> | hi, i hooked up my ssd with a working debian testing to a lenovo x230, and now everything works but the wifi. how can i diagnose/fix this? |
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| 00:52 | <selbeimanti> | i'm running kde, and there's no network gadget in the kde bar (don't know how this bar is called) |
| 00:52 | <Ablac> | OH |
| 00:52 | <Ablac> | do i have to mount /usr |
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| 00:53 | <Ablac> | nope its mounted. |
| 00:53 | <Ablac> | Interesting |
| 00:53 | <LtL> | Ablac: yeah i figured it was installed, silly. try export LC_ALL=en_US |
| 00:54 | <Ablac> | bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US) |
| 00:54 | <themill> | using the C locale would be safest. But it's only a warning anyway |
| 00:55 | <scientes> | C locale is also faster |
| 00:55 | <LtL> | Ablac: and export LANGUAGE=en_US |
| 00:55 | <scientes> | just stick to LANG=C |
| 00:55 | <Ablac> | No message on that one |
| 00:55 | <LtL> | Ablac: what themill andf scientes said |
| 00:55 | <scientes> | if you run in a chroot, you have to do dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:55 | <scientes> | and then compile your locale that the host uses |
| 00:55 | <Ablac> | Umm |
| 00:55 | <scientes> | cause that gets inherited with the chroot |
| 00:56 | <Ablac> | not sure which locale they use |
| 00:56 | <Ablac> | Its hosted in Germany if that helps |
| 00:56 | <scientes> | that stops the annoying error messages |
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| 00:56 | <scientes> | this is only for chroots however |
| 00:56 | <jm_> | dpkg-reconfigure asks about system wide locale too ... |
| 00:56 | <jm_> | but for chroot that typically won't apply |
| 00:56 | <scientes> | jm_, but the default is no system-wide locale--to inherit instead |
| 00:56 | <Ablac> | When i do dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:56 | <Ablac> | it asks me to select a locales I've been slecting All Locales |
| 00:57 | <themill> | all you're doing is copying off your data to reinstall. Don't spent too much time on getting rid of silly warning messages like that. |
| 00:57 | <scientes> | jm_, and yeah it doesn't use that unless you do something like systemd-nspawn |
| 00:57 | <Ablac> | I can't cause the warning message is stopping the transfer :/ |
| 00:57 | <scientes> | yeah you can safely ignore locale warnings |
| 00:57 | <scientes> | it will always fall back to LANG=C |
| 00:57 | <scientes> | anything else is a bug |
| 00:58 | <scientes> | in debian is it OK to have LANG=C NOT english? |
| 00:58 | <scientes> | aka software not written in english? |
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| 00:59 | <Ablac> | How do i check server time? |
| 00:59 | <LtL> | Ablac: date |
| 00:59 | <jm_> | why don't you read some grounding docs? |
| 01:00 | <Ablac> | Ok |
| 01:00 | <Ablac> | if i setup the schedule correctly... |
| 01:00 | <Ablac> | it should force a backup in 4 min |
| 01:03 | <Ablac> | ;/ |
| 01:03 | <LtL> | Ablac: i need to go, best of luck :) |
| 01:03 | <Ablac> | :/ |
| 01:04 | <Ablac> | not sure where the backups pulling from ATM.. |
| 01:04 | <Ablac> | its defiantly not pulling from the file i told it to... |
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| 01:17 | <Ablac> | GRR |
| 01:17 | <Ablac> | the backups not working cause freaking perl |
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| 01:26 | <Ablac> | HAHA |
| 01:26 | <Ablac> | The backups working! |
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| 02:02 | <Ablac> | For a server should i get Debian 6.0 LAMP or Debian 6.0 minimal |
| 02:02 | <SamB> | I'd get READING-LAMP |
| 02:03 | <Ablac> | Whats the difference? |
| 02:03 | * | SamB is kidding |
| 02:03 | * | SamB should probably go to bed ... |
| 02:03 | <Ablac> | :/ |
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| 02:03 | <Ablac> | Should i get Debian 6.0 LAMP or Minimal? |
| 02:04 | <tpo> | Hello everyone. I downloaded one of Kenshi Muto's ISO images. If I cat it to a USB stick it doesn't boot. How to make it bootable? |
| 02:05 | <scientes> | Ablac, you should install wheezy (testing) IMHO |
| 02:05 | <scientes> | as it should be released in a few months |
| 02:05 | <Ablac> | ... |
| 02:05 | <scientes> | and is frozen |
| 02:05 | <Ablac> | Think I'm gan a stick with Squeeze |
| 02:05 | <scientes> | if you have any real reason to go with squeeze do so |
| 02:05 | <Ablac> | And i don't have the option of installing Weezy |
| 02:05 | <scientes> | but if you don't i would go with wheezy |
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| 02:06 | <SamB> | why not wheezy? |
| 02:06 | <Ablac> | I don't have localhost access to the server i have to install stuff through the hosts cpanel. |
| 02:07 | <scientes> | . |
| 02:07 | <scientes> | .... |
| 02:07 | <scientes> | ~cpanel |
| 02:07 | <scientes> | !cpanel |
| 02:07 | <dpkg> | cPanel is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 02:07 | <Ablac> | ... |
| 02:07 | <scientes> | cpanel==crap |
| 02:07 | <Ablac> | Control Panel |
| 02:07 | <Ablac> | Its called Robot |
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| 02:07 | <Ablac> | its to control the Dedicated Server which is hosted in Germany |
| 02:07 | * | scientes hates cPanel |
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| 02:09 | <SamB> | so, no root? |
| 02:09 | <jm_> | tpo: you can verify with fdisk -l file.iso |
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| 02:10 | <tpo> | how so jm_? what should it say? |
| 02:11 | <tpo> | jm_ it says "Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table , nor Sun..." |
| 02:11 | <jm_> | tpo: it should show one bootable partition - it's not made for dumping on an USB drive if it doesn't |
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| 02:12 | <tpo> | well it's not then |
| 02:13 | <ell> | ? |
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| 02:16 | <tester> | mmm new kernel from backports today for debian-squeeze |
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| 02:52 | <tester> | Hay guise |
| 02:53 | <tester> | I used to have gnome installed on my server, and I had configured the machine to use a proxy in the gui, but now I dont have gnome installed and that proxy no longer exists, I need to clear the proxy setting sfrom the command line, and have no idea where to look. |
| 02:54 | <ompaul> | tester: what program is using the proxy? |
| 02:54 | <ompaul> | tester: I've only got two or three minutes then I have to fly ... so again what program is using it |
| 02:55 | <tester> | System --> Preferences --> Network Proxy |
| 02:55 | <tester> | I set it in there, but without gnome installed, I cant just go back in and change it |
| 02:55 | <ompaul> | so if you remove gnome how is it still there ... |
| 02:55 | <tester> | it is |
| 02:55 | <tester> | the reason I noticed is because clamav couldnt update |
| 02:55 | <jm_> | gconftool would probably list it |
| 02:55 | <tester> | Mon Nov 12 23:50:43 2012 -> WARNING: Incremental update failed, trying to download daily.cvd |
| 02:55 | <tester> | Mon Nov 12 23:50:46 2012 -> connect_error: getsockopt(SO_ERROR): fd=4 error=113: No route to host |
| 02:55 | <tester> | Mon Nov 12 23:50:46 2012 -> Can't connect to port 3128 of host 10.10.1.105 (IP: 10.10.1.105) |
| 02:56 | <ompaul> | tester: cat .bashrc and don't paste it here |
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| 02:56 | <ompaul> | tester: cat i think you'll find it there |
| 02:56 | <ompaul> | or .bash_profile |
| 02:56 | <ompaul> | but then that wouldn't be debian iirc |
| 02:57 | <ompaul> | that looks like squid 3128 |
| 02:57 | <tester> | cat: .bashrc: No such file or directory |
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| 02:57 | <tester> | cat: .bash_profile: No such file or directory |
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| 02:57 | <ompaul> | tester: look around there |
| 02:57 | <ompaul> | tester: check your /etc/ and /home/user directory with the following grep 3128 .* |
| 02:58 | <ompaul> | for the home one and /etc/ without the . |
| 02:58 | <tester> | nah nothing in there |
| 02:59 | <ompaul> | does your machine have squid installed |
| 02:59 | <tester> | of course |
| 02:59 | <ompaul> | is this a virtual machine that's having these issues? |
| 02:59 | <tester> | but I recently changed things and made the machine into a router for transparent inline interception |
| 02:59 | <tester> | noid, but I think I might have used a gui tool to configure clam for the proxy |
| 02:59 | <ompaul> | woops times gone |
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| 02:59 | <tester> | nah its a real machine |
| 03:00 | <tester> | checked /etc/clamav/clamd.conf nothing in there about a proxy |
| 03:01 | <tester> | the box is running great otherwise |
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| 03:03 | <tester> | also /etc/wgetrc is clear of proxies |
| 03:03 | <tester> | I found it |
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| 03:04 | <tester> | is was in there /etc/clamav/freshclam.conf |
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| 03:12 | <tester> | what the heck, dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.0.210 from 00:13:46:01:a9:96 via eth5: unknown lease 192.168.0.210. |
| 03:12 | <tester> | one of my machines keeps requesting that ip, but my networks using 10.10.1.x network |
| 03:12 | <tester> | flooding my logs |
| 03:12 | <tester> | grrr |
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| 03:20 | <CQ> | hello,l I need to set a static IP... I've updated /etc/network/interfaces correctly, but init.d/networking stop start doean't work because (i think) gnome network manager is managing the interface... how can I tell it to release it and let it be set statically? |
| 03:21 | <slush> | restart NM |
| 03:22 | <CQ> | [....] Reconfiguring network interfaces...RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 03:22 | <CQ> | I did, I even stopped it and then tried networking restart, still get this message, and the IP is teh dhcp one on eth0 |
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| 03:28 | <slush> | bring down eth0, then try networking start |
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| 03:30 | <cq_> | hm, off the net now on that machine no matter what I do it seems... |
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| 03:30 | <simonlnu> | ifdown -v $int && ifup -v $int |
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| 03:32 | <andromedas> | hi, I'm running a 64 bit version of debian 6.0.6 (2.6.32-5-amd64) but it does not see all of my RAM. I have 4 gb but it only shows 2.8 gb. any ideas on what is wrong? |
| 03:32 | <cq> | time for a rebot I think, routes are gone |
| 03:32 | <cq> | shouldnt /etc/init.d/networkint start reread interfaces?? |
| 03:33 | <simonlnu> | have to be stopped first of course, and yes. |
| 03:34 | <cq> | sure |
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| 03:36 | <jm_> | andromedas: why not try a newer kernel first? |
| 03:37 | <andromedas> | jm_: Would a newer kernel work with my graphics drivers? The reason I'm staying with squeeze is because ATI drivers dont work with wheezy |
| 03:38 | <jm_> | andromedas: you mean fglrx? |
| 03:38 | <andromedas> | jm_: yes |
| 03:39 | <jm_> | andromedas: both a newer kernel and a newer fglrx driver are available in backports so I expect the two to work together |
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| 03:40 | <jm_> | I'd normally expect a 32bit kernel to have this issue, it's unusual for a 64bit one to behave this way - perhaps it's a BIOS option (PCI remapping) |
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| 03:42 | <andromedas> | jm_: well, the newer fglrx doesnt work with my card, the driver i currently use is now known as fglrx_legacy (using radeon 4xxx card), the newer fglrx driver doesn't support 4xxx. The best reason why it won't work with wheezy is because of newer X11 versions do not support the legacy driver. So could I get a new kernel and still use the same X11 version and fglrx driver as i do now? |
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| 03:43 | <jm_> | andromedas: what's the fglrx version? |
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| 03:44 | <cq> | hm why does the crypttab line cryptoswap /dev/mapper/lvmswap /dev/urandom swap not work? the cryptoswap doesnt show up in /dev/mapper |
| 03:44 | <andromedas> | jm_: 1:10-9-3 |
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| 03:46 | <cq> | cryptsetup -d/dev/urandom create cryptoswap /dev/mapper/lvmswap works fine |
| 03:46 | <filePeter> | cq: Is the line manually added to /etc/crypttab or did the installer ad it? |
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| 03:47 | <cq> | filePeter: I added it manually in a previous installation... it used to work fine |
| 03:47 | <stephan48> | i want to crosscompile i386 application on a wheezy debian amd64 |
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| 03:48 | <cq> | http://askubuntu.com/questions/144442/how-do-i-encrypt-my-tmp-directory looks helpful, esp. the precheck=true part inthe last response |
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| 03:49 | <filePeter> | cq: Check if there is any verbose output, but I suppose you might have to add some encytion information, too - not just »swap« (like cipher=aes-cbc-essiv:sha256,size=128,swap) |
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| 03:50 | <cq> | filePeter: I used to have that and tried without, same result... I'm hoping for the precheck=/bin/true to do something |
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| 03:50 | <gnugr> | stephan48:you have to enable multiarch, but go to #debian-next is for wheezy/sid support |
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| 03:51 | <filePeter> | cq: Setting precheck=true is horribly dangerous and can cause data loss in an instant. |
| 03:52 | <jm_> | andromedas: tried to look in readme but it doesn't mention kernel versions (or I missed it), so unfortunatelly I have no idea if it will work |
| 03:52 | <filePeter> | cq: Is there any error output? |
| 03:52 | <andromedas> | jm_: oh ok, thanks for your help! |
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| 03:54 | <Marryjusz> | hi |
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| 03:55 | <Marryjusz> | i need some help with bumbleebe |
| 03:55 | <Marryjusz> | i compiled it on older kernel and now dont have modules on new |
| 03:55 | <Marryjusz> | what shall i do? |
| 03:56 | <filePeter> | reconpile for the new kernel. |
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| 03:58 | <cq> | filePeter: this is just for swap and tmp |
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| 03:59 | <cq> | filePeter: where would I see errors? dmesg and messages don't show any, there is possibly something during boot thoug... |
| 03:59 | <filePeter> | cq: edit /etc/default/bootlogd |
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| 04:00 | <cq> | filePeter: dont have that file |
| 04:01 | <david-e> | hi, got an old Lenny machine and would like to install few packages. I know Lenny is EOL. My problem is that I need an ftp repository in sources.list and archive.debian.org does not work for me |
| 04:01 | <filePeter> | cq: should be |
| 04:01 | <cq> | http://wiki.debian.org/bootlogd .. i'll create it |
| 04:02 | <cq> | this is a brand new wheezy installation |
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| 04:03 | <cq> | filePeter: need to work now, thanks for the help, Ill try to solve this end of the week |
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| 04:04 | <jm_> | !tell david-e -about archive |
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| 04:05 | <Takis_GR> | how can change lxde interface language?? When select greek or english language in lightdm i must have greek or english interface in lxde!!!!!! |
| 04:06 | <filePeter> | cq: Good luck! |
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| 04:12 | <david-e> | jm_: s/repository/mirror/ |
| 04:12 | <jm_> | david-e: did you read what dpkg told you? |
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| 04:15 | <david-e> | jm_: right, thanx alot |
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| 04:16 | <jm_> | david-e: ok, it turns out archive.debian.org is several hosts, and both work for me |
| 04:17 | <jm_> | otherwise the web page points at archive.debian.net which provides several other sites for packages, but none of those worked for me for lenny and the bash package |
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| 04:49 | <Joe> | hello, |
| 04:49 | <Joe> | i want to install gcc 4.6.0. |
| 04:50 | <Joe> | threre is a package named ppl-0.11 |
| 04:50 | <Joe> | anyone knows how to install it? |
| 04:51 | <Joe> | it has 2 files |
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| 04:51 | <Joe> | Makefile.in and Makefile.am |
| 04:52 | <Joe> | not sure how to build & install it after configure. |
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| 05:14 | <gnugr> | Joe:what debian version are you on? |
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| 05:15 | <gnugr> | ,v gcc |
| 05:15 | <judd> | Package: gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.1-1; sid: 4:4.7.2-1 |
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| 05:28 | <peppe> | ciao a tutti |
| 05:28 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 515] by debhelper |
| 05:29 | <peppe> | a chi posso chiedere per un problema con ubuntu studio? |
| 05:30 | <gnugr> | !it peppe |
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| 05:30 | <gnugr> | !it |
| 05:30 | <dpkg> | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:30 | <peppe> | ok tnx |
| 05:30 | <babilen> | gnugr: No, peppe wants help with Ubuntu. (which is #ubuntu-it on irc.freenode.net) |
| 05:31 | <babilen> | !otherchannel peppe #ubuntu-it irc.freenode.net |
| 05:31 | <dpkg> | peppe: The channel you are looking for is #ubuntu-it on irc.freenode.net. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu-it. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.freenode.net/#ubuntu-it |
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| 05:32 | * | gnugr waves babilen |
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| 06:22 | <gemamo> | buenos días |
| 06:23 | <Maulkin> | Hi. |
| 06:23 | <Maulkin> | Can we help? |
| 06:24 | <gemamo> | spanish? |
| 06:24 | <Maulkin> | !es |
| 06:24 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 06:25 | <gemamo> | ok, solamente queria conversar. Saludos |
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| 07:08 | <edmund> | Hi, I'm having trouble trying to debug a non-booting server (after 130 days of uptime and updates I rebooted to check that it would indeed boot). grub2 loads without any apparent issues but I get not output after "loading initial ramdisk". I am connected with a serial console (console=ttyS0,11520) and parameters such as break=top, break=premount or debug appear to make no difference (no output other than grub's echo). From the gr |
| 07:09 | <edmund> | ub command line after executing insmod for the raid/mdraid/lvm/part_msdos/ext2 modules i can specific the kernel and initrd with tab completion (so it can definitely access /boot/*). |
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| 07:10 | <jm_> | does it really pass "console=ttyS0,11520"? |
| 07:11 | <edmund> | how can i be sure? its definitely on the kernel line (and the machine does not respond to ping even after a few minutes) |
| 07:11 | <jm_> | let's put it another way - is the number passed really 11520? |
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| 07:12 | <jm_> | ok so that's not the issue then |
| 07:12 | <edmund> | i have access to a netboot "rescue environment", i read /proc/cmdline and thats the console option it was using |
| 07:13 | <edmund> | I also tried removing amd64-microcode after mounting the roots fs and binding in /dev & proc and then chrooting to the "real" installation from the netboot |
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| 07:15 | <jm_> | perhaps using early printk would reveal something if your kernel has it enabled |
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| 07:17 | <abrotman> | edmund: tried blindly entering the root password? or hitting ctrl-d? |
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| 07:18 | <edmund> | jm_: trying to found out more about that now, thankyou. |
| 07:19 | <edmund> | abrotman: i will give it a go now |
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| 07:19 | <jm_> | edmund: has it working with 115200 before? that's probably the number you have |
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| 07:19 | <jm_> | worked* |
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| 07:21 | <edmund> | jm_: your right, i can't believe i have been typing 11520 for the last day.. its not booting and asking for the root pw for a filesystem check |
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| 07:22 | <abrotman> | whoa |
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| 07:22 | <abrotman> | oh, sghared win! :) |
| 07:23 | <edmund> | I feel like a fool now, booted to the login prompt, but thank you so much for pointing that out |
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| 07:24 | <jm_> | question is why is kernel not outputing anything then |
| 07:24 | <abrotman> | gfxmode? |
| 07:25 | <abrotman> | wha |
| 07:25 | <abrotman> | what architecture? |
| 07:25 | <abrotman> | i had an alpha that stopped showing boot messages after sarge iirc |
| 07:26 | <abrotman> | (wasn't worht figuring out) |
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| 07:29 | <yuri-> | I got problem with Czech locale on a non-Xorg machine; its output seems to be ok - http://paste.debian.net/208839/; console-setup is set to UTF-8 Latin2; im unable to type any letter with ˇ or ´; eg. it produces ˇS instead of Š |
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| 07:30 | <engla> | yuri-: is it a problem with the keymap? (missing dead keys) |
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| 07:32 | <yuri-> | i havent touched keymaps at all |
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| 07:36 | <edmund> | jm_: sorry, typo "s/not/now" booting. thanks again |
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| 07:40 | <jm_> | edmund: no worries |
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| 07:49 | <niels2> | yuri-, engla, yes, sounds quite like a keymap without deadkeys |
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| 07:50 | <niels2> | yuri-, try dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration and choose a keymap with deadkeys |
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| 08:09 | <ogost> | hello everyone! |
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| 08:10 | <ogost> | i'm not sure if this is the right place to ask. if it's not, please point to a more appropriate place |
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| 08:10 | <babilen> | sure |
| 08:10 | <ogost> | how do i determine if a notebook has bluetooth installed? |
| 08:11 | <ogost> | running wheezy |
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| 08:11 | <ogost> | will lspci show the internal bluetooth? |
| 08:11 | <babilen> | ogost: Ok, *the* wheezy channel is #debian-next, but that question is fine. What do you mean by installed? Are you after software that enables you to use bluetooth or do you want to check if the hardware is there? |
| 08:11 | <edmund> | ogost: possibly, also try lsusb |
| 08:12 | <ogost> | well yeah i meant the hardware. thanks, both of lsusb and lspci don't show any bluetooth related hardware |
| 08:12 | <babilen> | ogost: Most USB controllers are connected via USB so edmund's suggestion makes a lot of sense. |
| 08:12 | <babilen> | doh |
| 08:12 | <babilen> | *Most bluetooth :) |
| 08:13 | <ogost> | i was just wondering to disable the bluetoothd from startup. thanks guys! youre the best! |
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| 08:16 | <babilen> | ogost: update-rc.d bluetoothd disable |
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| 08:16 | <niels2> | or he could remove the bluetooth-related packages altogether |
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| 08:24 | <yuri-> | niels2: which one is supposed to be the one with deadkeys? |
| 08:24 | <yuri-> | there is a plenty of various models |
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| 08:25 | <niels2> | yuri-, give me a minute or three ;) |
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| 08:26 | <yuri-> | ok |
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| 08:39 | <niels2> | yuri-, sorry, doesn't do anything here. i have localepurged anything here that i don't need, which might be a problem |
| 08:40 | <yuri-> | ah, ok |
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| 08:41 | <yuri-> | thx anyway |
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| 08:46 | <cacicioc> | hello |
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| 08:50 | <CQ> | hello, any ideas why iceweasel is still at v10 in testing? I don't see any reason for it in the testing summaries... |
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| 08:54 | <yo> | ola |
| 08:55 | <Maulkin> | !es-socail |
| 08:55 | <Maulkin> | !es-social |
| 08:55 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi. |
| 08:55 | <Maulkin> | CQ: Because that's all that's in unstable too |
| 08:55 | <yo> | Vale |
| 08:55 | <yo> | Hello |
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| 09:18 | <txuitxe> | ola |
| 09:18 | <txuitxe> | soy nuevo |
| 09:18 | <txuitxe> | quiero instalar en ubuntu studio |
| 09:18 | <txuitxe> | efectos de escritorio |
| 09:18 | <Ganneff> | !es |
| 09:18 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 09:18 | <Ganneff> | !ubuntu |
| 09:18 | <txuitxe> | como se hace desde comandos |
| 09:18 | -!- | mode/#debian [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ |
| 09:18 | <@Ganneff> | !ubuntu |
| 09:18 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 10:42 | <ubuntu_> | Hey, I am looking to install Lubuntu on this old computer, but have not been successful; the installer hangs on the Live distro after choosing my language. Oddly enough, the same exact thing happens with Ubuntu 12.10 |
| 10:43 | <saep> | !ubuntu |
| 10:43 | <dpkg> | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 10:44 | <ubuntu_> | Thanks |
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| 11:04 | <henfucker> | hello |
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| 11:06 | <Maulkin> | PigFucker: Please change your name. |
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| 11:06 | <jww> | lol. |
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| 11:31 | <cledimilson> | oi |
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| 12:16 | <goku> | eeeeeeeeeee |
| 12:16 | <ToeTag> | peeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 12:16 | <Guest5529> | si |
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| 12:16 | <ToeTag> | senor |
| 12:16 | <Guest5529> | eeeeeeeee |
| 12:17 | <Guest5529> | eeeee |
| 12:17 | <Guest5529> | eeeeeeeeee |
| 12:17 | <Guest5529> | eeeeeeeeeee |
| 12:17 | <Guest5529> | eeeeeeeeee |
| 12:17 | <Guest5529> | eeeeeeee |
| 12:17 | <Guest5529> | eeeeeee |
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| 12:35 | <sky> | salut |
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| 12:48 | <daenney> | I'm kaving an issue that's getting the better of me. I want to use OpenVSwitch with Debian but still maintain the use of the traditional brctl tools and so forth. To that end openvswitch provides the openvswitch-brcompat package which needs the openvswitch-datapath-dkms module that builds two modules, openswitch_mod.ko and brcompat_mod.ko. In order to enable brcompat you need to load brcomapt_mod.ko and |
| 12:48 | <daenney> | set BRCOMPAT=yes in /etc/default/openvswitch-switch. However, since brcompat_mod is exporting the same symbols as the kernel bridge module you need to blacklist it. Now here's the issue: bridge-utils (which includes brctl) drops two files in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d and if-post-down.d called bridge that do all kinds of stuff. Because of this the kernel bridge module gets loaded (regardless of the |
| 12:48 | <daenney> | blacklist) and hence brcompat_mod.ko can never get loaded. I've tried telling insserv to start openswitch-switch after mountkernfs to avoud this issue however inserv -d seems to be plainly ignoring my changes to the LSB headers. At this point, I'm stuck... |
| 12:49 | <babilen> | EWALLOFTEXT |
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| 12:51 | <Maulkin> | daenney: Sounds like a mail to debian-user@lists.debian.org may be a better forum. |
| 12:51 | <daenney> | Maulkin: yeah, I was contemplating that but hoping someone here might have run into this before |
| 12:51 | <daenney> | long shot, but still :) |
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| 12:51 | <RayzrShrp> | greetings |
| 12:51 | <RayzrShrp> | how is everyone |
| 12:52 | <Maulkin> | daenney: How've you modified /etc/init.d/openswitch-switch? |
| 12:52 | <lonewulf85> | I am planning to learn linux and programming, I have next to no current experience with programming. I was wondering whether there is a difference between Linux programming and Android programming? |
| 12:53 | <daenney> | Maulkin: not, I've only modified /etc/default/openvswitch-switch to set BRCOMPAT=yes |
| 12:53 | <daenney> | Maulkin: oh wait, sorry, the LSB headers |
| 12:53 | <daenney> | Maulkin: I've changed Required-Sart to mountkernfs instead of $network $remote_fs |
| 12:54 | <Maulkin> | daenney: You should probably have $network $remote_fs too :) |
| 12:54 | <jmorton> | lonewulf85: you generally use Java to program Android, and C or Python to program Linux |
| 12:54 | <daenney> | Maulkin: why though? |
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| 12:54 | <Maulkin> | daenney: Not really a openvswitch person I'm afraid, so not sure on the kernel modules. |
| 12:54 | <jmorton> | those are three very different languages |
| 12:54 | <daenney> | I'd expect mountkernfs to be enough, especially since it kinda needs to happen before/right at the start of $network |
| 12:54 | <jmorton> | so pick your platform and start learning |
| 12:54 | <Maulkin> | daenney: Presmumeably, it still needs network and remote_fs ? |
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| 12:55 | * | Maulkin shrugs though |
| 12:55 | <daenney> | Maulkin: hmmm, guessing so yes... I doubt openvswitch-switch can actually start without $network |
| 12:55 | <daenney> | so that's a fair point |
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| 12:56 | <lonewulf85> | jmorton: So if I want to build apps/programs for both I should learn Java,c,c+,c++ and Python? |
| 12:56 | <daenney> | this is starting to become a serious headache... and all the more confusing, it does work magically out of the box on Ubuntu :| |
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| 12:56 | <daenney> | but I can't find anythign in their packages that would explain that |
| 12:56 | <jmorton> | there's no such thing as C+ |
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| 12:56 | <RayzrShrp> | jmorton: didn't MS create C+ |
| 12:56 | <Calinou> | lonewulf85: you can make android apps in java, c, c++ |
| 12:56 | <Calinou> | RayzrShrp: you mean c# |
| 12:56 | <jmorton> | if you learn Java and C at the same time, you'll find that a lot of their syntax is similar |
| 12:57 | <RayzrShrp> | Calinou: ah yes |
| 12:57 | <Calinou> | and java sucks/. |
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| 12:57 | <Calinou> | (seriously, low level languages are easier, high level languages are faster) |
| 12:57 | <RayzrShrp> | java is a POS |
| 12:57 | <lonewulf85> | HA HA I love the responses I get on here "Java sucks" very nice.. |
| 12:58 | <jmorton> | Java does have some problems, yes |
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| 12:58 | <Calinou> | this is #debian, the universal opinionless channel |
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| 12:58 | <RayzrShrp> | omg could upgrading the IOS on a cisco asr9010 take any longer |
| 12:58 | <daenney> | Java is good at certain things, unfortunately it's being aboused for a lot of other things |
| 12:58 | <lonewulf85> | Calinou: Which is the low and high level ones? |
| 12:58 | <daenney> | RayzrShrp: sure it can... pull the serial console cable :) |
| 12:58 | <Calinou> | lonewulf85: low-level: assembler (very), c, c++... high-level languages are python, ruby, perl, lua.. |
| 12:59 | <jmorton> | low level languages are things like C, where you have to do memory management and string manipulation the hard way |
| 12:59 | <RayzrShrp> | daenney: I using a 10g link |
| 12:59 | <Calinou> | some high level languages can be compiled, they can also be run interpreted |
| 12:59 | <daenney> | RayzrShrp: ha, didn't see that one coming |
| 12:59 | <lonewulf85> | Calinou: So would it be best for me to learn as many as I can? |
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| 12:59 | <RayzrShrp> | daenney: i blame freebsd |
| 12:59 | <Calinou> | i suggest learning high level languages like lua first, they're easier |
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| 13:00 | <jmorton> | high level languages hide memory management from you and usually provide lots of help with complex data structures - Python provides dictionaries for example |
| 13:00 | <Maulkin> | daenney: I suppose you could just rmmod bridge in the brcompat_mod init script... |
| 13:00 | <Calinou> | python provides oversized standard libraries |
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| 13:00 | <lonewulf85> | Calinou: Cool thanks. I also thank everyone here as well. |
| 13:01 | <Maulkin> | daenney: Bit of a hack, but it should work. |
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| 13:01 | <RayzrShrp> | i have a debian question, why is my fresh install under vmware workstation 9 flooding my inbox with mtp-statusd logs |
| 13:01 | <Calinou> | vmware guy here! |
| 13:01 | <Calinou> | *flame* |
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| 13:01 | <daenney> | Maulkin: mmm... except that that would destroy any bridge created prior to starting openvswitch-switch |
| 13:01 | <RayzrShrp> | would virtualbox be any better? |
| 13:01 | <Calinou> | virtualbox is always better, and it's free |
| 13:02 | <Calinou> | vmware is the photoshop of virtualization |
| 13:02 | <Calinou> | virtualbox is the gimp |
| 13:02 | <RayzrShrp> | lol |
| 13:02 | <Maulkin> | daenney: Yes, but do you have other bridges running at that time? |
| 13:02 | <Maulkin> | daenney: If so, I give up :) |
| 13:02 | <RayzrShrp> | i used virtualbox before I went to vmware |
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| 13:02 | <daenney> | RayzrShrp: service mpt-statusd stop; insserv -r mpt-statusd |
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| 13:03 | <Maulkin> | RayzrShrp: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/quintolabs-content-security-for-squid-proxy/9h0UXaiOawI |
| 13:03 | <RayzrShrp> | daenney: thanks, so I assume this is some raid monitoring app that must have been installed by default |
| 13:03 | <daenney> | RayzrShrp: aye |
| 13:03 | <Airwave> | RayzrShrp: I see the same issue. Uninstalling mpt-status should fix it. |
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| 13:03 | <daenney> | Maulkin: yup... we do, there's two created by /etc/network/interfaces... the idea being that those bridges be created through brcompat_mod.ko :| |
| 13:03 | <RayzrShrp> | Maulkin: what is this url? |
| 13:04 | <daenney> | Maulkin: however, that badly fails so back to square one, debian-users@ it is :) |
| 13:04 | <jmorton> | lonewulf85: if you learn both C and Java, you'll get a much more thorough education in programming than if you just learn one of them |
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| 13:04 | <jmorton> | the single most important principle in programming is pointers, which don't exist in Java |
| 13:05 | <jmorton> | if you can't get pointers, you aren't ever going to be a programmer type |
| 13:05 | <jmorton> | so please do include C in your repertoire |
| 13:05 | <TobiX> | USB-Support in VirtualBox is hit-and-miss... I could flash an Android phone with it, but using it to program STM32 microcontrollers is impossible... |
| 13:05 | <daenney> | I hate pointers... |
| 13:06 | <lonewulf85> | jmorton: I planned on learning c as well as a few other languages. |
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| 13:06 | <jmorton> | sounds good |
| 13:06 | <RayzrShrp> | daenney: that insserv is a nice command, never knew about that before |
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| 13:06 | <TobiX> | jmorton: If you never do low-level programming you don't need pointers. |
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| 13:07 | <jmorton> | but to answer your original question - yes Android and Linux are rather different to program for |
| 13:07 | <daenney> | RayzrShrp: insserv is the replacement to update-rc.d since Squeeze if dependency-based booting is enabled :) |
| 13:07 | <TobiX> | jmorton: I agree it makes you a better programmer to know how pointers work |
| 13:07 | <lonewulf85> | Would it be possible to use Unity on other debian based OS's? |
| 13:07 | <jmorton> | TobiX: to understand how the computer works, you need to understand pointers - even if you are not directly using them |
| 13:07 | <daenney> | and update-rc.d used to be the toolie that symlinked startup-scripts in the right rc*.d directories based on LSB headers |
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| 13:07 | * | RayzrShrp looks at lonewulf85 |
| 13:07 | <jmorton> | and if you don't know hw the computer works, you can't write efficient code |
| 13:08 | <RayzrShrp> | just just goto line 10 |
| 13:08 | <TobiX> | jmorton: But if you are doing GUI-programming in C#, knowing how poinzers work don't help you any... |
| 13:08 | <jmorton> | which is why we seem to need gigaflop capable CPUs in our smartphones these days :-( |
| 13:08 | <RayzrShrp> | so then are most people on debian android fans then |
| 13:08 | <daenney> | jmorton: that's just because HTC and Samsung are idiots :P |
| 13:09 | <daenney> | Huawei does a far better job |
| 13:09 | <RayzrShrp> | although samsung did pull a nice F U to Apple lately |
| 13:09 | <RayzrShrp> | with the 20% increase for their A6 chip |
| 13:09 | <TobiX> | RayzrShrp: I'm not an Android fan. I just use it, because all better mobile OSes went belly-up |
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| 13:09 | <jmorton> | I have Apple, Android and Symbian devices in my pocket right now |
| 13:09 | <RayzrShrp> | TobiX: what was better? symbian? |
| 13:10 | <TobiX> | RayzrShrp: HAHAHA, good one |
| 13:10 | <RayzrShrp> | i have apple for personal and android for work |
| 13:10 | <stderr> | jmorton: Big pockets... |
| 13:10 | <jmorton> | the SYmbian phone is the one with the best battery life |
| 13:10 | <jmorton> | incidentally, it's an ancient Nokia 3310 |
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| 13:10 | <RayzrShrp> | isn't that cause it has an lcd display ;) |
| 13:10 | <TobiX> | RayzrShrp: WebOS is more Linux then Android, Maemo/Meego/whatever is more Linux then Android... etc. |
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| 13:10 | <lonewulf85> | I just have android. |
| 13:10 | <daenney> | Symbian ruled the world, best rip-off Nokia ever made |
| 13:10 | <jmorton> | the Android one doesn't have a voice SIM in it, only a data one |
| 13:11 | <jmorton> | even with the display off, the iPhone doesn't last as long |
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| 13:11 | <jmorton> | and that also has an LCD |
| 13:11 | <TobiX> | daenney: You mean Psion not Nokia |
| 13:11 | <RayzrShrp> | i hear webos was nice but palm/usr is full of morons |
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| 13:12 | <RayzrShrp> | i like android but im tired of wondering if and when the new version will be out or if my phone is supported |
| 13:12 | <daenney> | TobiX: eh no, Nokia's Symbian is a decendant of Psion's EPOC |
| 13:12 | <daenney> | hence, best rip-off Nokia ever made :) |
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| 13:12 | <RayzrShrp> | after moto pulled their renig I lost the taste for android |
| 13:12 | <jmorton> | Symbian is still very popular in the third world |
| 13:13 | <RayzrShrp> | and on those super expensive cell phones the celebs have |
| 13:13 | <lonewulf85> | the android brings up a question, why is it that if I am on linux I can play on the net with my phone as a broadband device and my provider never knows. But in windows they know that I am? |
| 13:13 | <jmorton> | apparently it's efficient enough to make really cheap smartphones, which are pretty nice for relatively poor people |
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| 13:13 | <Calinou> | android is free, why does that matter? |
| 13:14 | <TobiX> | daenney: Ah, you mean it that way. Well, they bought Symbian (formally known as Psion), so yeah :) |
| 13:14 | <Calinou> | about specs: we created... x86 processors! |
| 13:14 | <Calinou> | don't be a victim of patent trolls |
| 13:14 | <daenney> | TobiX: yeah, that :) I believe it was even a partnership betwoon Psion, Nokia, Ericsson and some others |
| 13:14 | <RayzrShrp> | the patent system pisses me off |
| 13:14 | <Calinou> | ARM is like someone claiming they invented milk then you need a milk license to sell milk |
| 13:15 | <TobiX> | Calinou: Android is not very good on slow, cheap devices |
| 13:15 | <lonewulf85> | Calinou: I know it is like a friend of mine says with Linux "If it is free it cannot be that good" I was always taught that the best things in life are free :) |
| 13:15 | <TobiX> | daenney: Yeah, see Wikipedia :) |
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| 13:15 | <RayzrShrp> | thats my thoughts too android makes up for poor code with faster chips and more mem |
| 13:15 | <MaduritoCacondo> | buenas |
| 13:15 | <daenney> | TobiX: I was just planning on it |
| 13:15 | <jmorton> | lonewulf85: because most people use Windows, the mobile providers look for Windows fingerprints in the data stream |
| 13:15 | <TobiX> | lonewulf85: air is free ;) |
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| 13:16 | <Calinou> | computers are not, theory proven false |
| 13:16 | <jmorton> | I don't think they can tell the difference between, say, desktop Linux and Android |
| 13:16 | <MaduritoCacondo> | any girl? |
| 13:16 | <Calinou> | you |
| 13:16 | <Maulkin> | !es-social |
| 13:16 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi. |
| 13:16 | <lonewulf85> | jmorton: That was what I was thinking also is there not a difference in the data quantity? |
| 13:16 | <daenney> | Maulkin: haha, nice, didn't know dpkg did that :D |
| 13:16 | <jmorton> | my Android phone has a YouTube app |
| 13:17 | <jmorton> | data quantity is huge with that |
| 13:17 | <TobiX> | jmorton: It's actually pretty easy to tell the difference :) |
| 13:17 | <MaduritoCacondo> | ok sorry |
| 13:17 | <Maulkin> | MaduritoCacondo: de nada |
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| 13:17 | <lonewulf85> | jmorton: I was thinking between linux and "Winblows" |
| 13:17 | <jmorton> | TobiX: no doubt it is possible, but the *providers* don't know how to |
| 13:17 | <TobiX> | jmorton: http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/p0f3/ :) |
| 13:17 | <jmorton> | also, MeeGo |
| 13:18 | <TobiX> | jmorton: MehGo ;) |
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| 13:18 | <stderr> | lonewulf85: Maybe they can tell the difference because your windows box is spamming the rest of the world, while your linux box isn't? |
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| 13:20 | <miguel> | ola |
| 13:20 | <RayzrShrp> | stderr: lol |
| 13:20 | <miguel> | olaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 13:20 | <miguel> | :) |
| 13:21 | <miguel> | hay alguien ? :-) |
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| 13:21 | <RayzrShrp> | cisco ios xr is some flavor of linux |
| 13:21 | <miguel> | spanish ? |
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| 13:21 | <RayzrShrp> | pretty cool even has vi in it |
| 13:21 | <miguel> | can you speak in spanish ? |
| 13:21 | <retrospectacus> | !es |
| 13:21 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 13:22 | <miguel> | spanish |
| 13:22 | <miguel> | please |
| 13:22 | <RayzrShrp> | cisco ios xr 4.2.0 is 736M |
| 13:22 | <RayzrShrp> | wtf |
| 13:22 | <MrClerk> | hola |
| 13:22 | <RayzrShrp> | lol |
| 13:22 | <miguel> | adiosssssssssssssssssssssss a los inglesesssssssssss |
| 13:22 | <miguel> | bye bye |
| 13:22 | <MrClerk> | eeee |
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| 13:22 | <MrClerk> | espera coño |
| 13:22 | <MrClerk> | hi i have a problem |
| 13:23 | <retrospectacus> | !ask |
| 13:23 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:23 | <MrClerk> | can you help me please |
| 13:23 | <jmorton> | stderr: seems like a similar difference between English-speaking technical types and Spanish-speaking social types |
| 13:23 | <RayzrShrp> | Calinou: so do you only really dislike vmware because it's grossly overpriced? |
| 13:24 | <Calinou> | yes, and proprietary |
| 13:24 | <MrClerk> | i losed the program that i conect in jabber |
| 13:24 | <RayzrShrp> | Calinou: gotcha |
| 13:24 | <Calinou> | we have free-and-freedom stuff that does the same thing, why not use it |
| 13:24 | <Calinou> | it's like photoshop |
| 13:24 | <RayzrShrp> | Calinou: i feel like vmware is faster |
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| 13:25 | <RayzrShrp> | Calinou: and they have better tie-ins to linux for the tools |
| 13:26 | <retrospectacus> | MrClerk: what's your question? |
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| 13:26 | <RayzrShrp> | im not sure about this weechat i've been trying out today |
| 13:26 | <Calinou> | RayzrShrp: it's still evil |
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| 13:27 | <RayzrShrp> | Calinou: lol |
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| 13:28 | <RayzrShrp> | Calinou: do you know if virtualbox supports ubuntu 12.10 yet? |
| 13:28 | <RayzrShrp> | Calinou: or better yet mint 13 |
| 13:28 | <sgu> | Hi all, I have a question about bash completion: I see this: complete -d -X '.[^./]*' -F _function command. What does -X '.[^./]' does? |
| 13:28 | <Calinou> | RayzrShrp: VB supports any distro :facepalm: |
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| 13:29 | <RayzrShrp> | Calinou: well yeah it does but it seems to choke on mint 13 with all the 3d support it needs |
| 13:29 | <blast007> | RayzrShrp: virtualbox/vmware/cisco really isn't on the topic of debian support, unless you're having an issue with debian in conjunction with them ;) |
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| 13:30 | <RayzrShrp> | which version of awk does debian come with? awk,gawk or nawk |
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| 13:30 | <retrospectacus> | gawk |
| 13:30 | <RayzrShrp> | thanks |
| 13:31 | <retrospectacus> | mawk |
| 13:31 | <retrospectacus> | lol I just checked on 2 servers |
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| 13:33 | <MrClerk> | i have a problem... my mom not love me :( |
| 13:33 | <retrospectacus> | we are only interested in debian problems |
| 13:33 | <stderr> | RayzrShrp: All three are available. |
| 13:34 | <MrClerk> | but is my mom :( |
| 13:34 | <RayzrShrp> | stderr: i know was just wondering what version it came with ootb |
| 13:34 | <retrospectacus> | RayzrShrp: on my freshly debootstrapped servers it's mawk. This PC has gawk but it has a long history |
| 13:35 | <RayzrShrp> | retrospectacus: what does debootstrapped mean |
| 13:35 | <stderr> | RayzrShrp: mawk is "Priority: required". |
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| 13:35 | <MrClerk> | i dont have friends... im not talk about this whit anyone |
| 13:35 | <Calinou> | RayzrShrp: you use DEs that require 3D support? too bad |
| 13:35 | <retrospectacus> | it means I created the debian install with the debootstrap command (as opposed to debian-installer) |
| 13:36 | <RayzrShrp> | retrospectacus: so is that akin to creating a custom image |
| 13:36 | <RayzrShrp> | Calinou: DE? |
| 13:36 | <Calinou> | RayzrShrp: it means the guy doing it used the "l33t", not the normal way to do it |
| 13:36 | <Calinou> | desktop environment |
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| 13:36 | <retrospectacus> | kind of, except not custom at all |
| 13:36 | <SynrG> | MrClerk: log off irc. go join a social club or something |
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| 13:39 | <retrospectacus> | RayzrShrp: you can create debian installs with debootstrap and then run them with chroot or container-based virtualization like <openvz> or <lxc> |
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| 13:43 | <zulu> | hi, I try to make a xrdb -merge .Xresources with .Xresources XTerm*reverseVideo: on without success |
| 13:43 | <zulu> | Is there something I missed? |
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| 13:47 | <zulu> | doing xrdb -query show my properties properly set but there is no effect on xterm... |
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| 13:49 | <retrospectacus> | zulu: perhaps you should ask about that in #xorg on chat.freenode.net |
| 13:49 | <stderr> | zulu: Shouldn't it be "true"? Or is "on" and "true" the same thing? |
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| 13:50 | <zulu> | yeah, but googling it seems this is the way to do, that why I was wondering if it was not related to sid |
| 13:50 | <zulu> | yeah true == on |
| 13:51 | <zulu> | brb |
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| 14:50 | <hermogenes> | Some time ago, I stoped following the discussion around binary blobs on the linux kernel image in Debian. Does anyone know what is the current situation on this matter: Does the Debian kernel image still contains binary blobs or it is something like the kernel distributed by the linux-libre project? The last news I was able to find on the web is http://tx0.org/4ow Does this mean the Debian kernel get rid of all the binary parts |
| 14:50 | <hermogenes> | obfuscated as source code? |
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| 14:52 | <samson> | hello ppl |
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| 14:52 | <MrFrood> | hermogenes: I'm prety sure most of it has been farmed off as modulles in non-free |
| 14:52 | <sney> | hermogenes: debian removes most (if not all) kernel binary blobs and packages them separately in packages available in non-free. e.g. firmware-linux-nonfree, firmware-realtek, etc |
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| 15:02 | <hermogenes> | Thank you, MrFrood and sney |
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| 16:09 | <carlos> | holaaaa |
| 16:09 | <@Ganneff> | !es |
| 16:09 | <retrospectacus> | g'day mate |
| 16:09 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 16:09 | <carlos> | jajajajajzjajajajaja |
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| 16:11 | <josefig> | lol |
| 16:11 | <josefig> | Yo ni sabia que era en inglés!.. Just kidding :P |
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| 16:33 | <ratnick> | how do I set iceweasel to default conditions? |
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| 16:34 | <FragByte> | ratnick: backup your bookmarks and write down your addons if you want to keep them |
| 16:34 | <saep> | i would purge and reinstall it |
| 16:34 | <retrospectacus> | ratnick: try mv: ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-old |
| 16:34 | <FragByte> | ratnick: then delete ~/.mozilla/firefox |
| 16:35 | <retrospectacus> | all of the above |
| 16:35 | <ratnick> | ok |
| 16:35 | <FragByte> | no not the whole mozilla, that would reset other mozilla programs too (thunerbird for example) |
| 16:35 | <ratnick> | I don't use any other Mozilla |
| 16:35 | <retrospectacus> | true |
| 16:36 | <ratnick> | only iceweasel 10 (backport) |
| 16:36 | <FragByte> | then youre fine although moving it is probably more clever as you have a backup |
| 16:36 | <ratnick> | thanks |
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| 16:49 | <pcuser> | Hi, Im trying to use approx to save bandwidth on my VM. Ive configured it, but it won't actually connect - I just get 404 errors on the packages - is approx not passing data on? I can see in netstat -nl that the server is listening. 404 would imply the host is connecting? |
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| 16:50 | <retrospectacus> | indicates that it is working but the packages are not there (404 = not found) |
| 16:50 | <retrospectacus> | check the server logs |
| 16:50 | <pcuser> | yes, but thats why I am using approx, right? |
| 16:51 | <retrospectacus> | I guess.. I'm not familiar with approx |
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| 17:07 | <pcuser> | OK, for those who need to find this on the internet in the future: you need to append whatever word is in your approx file to your normal server specification. eg, if you write "deb http://approx-server:9999/ testing main" this is wrong, and you will get, in /var/log/syslog, "no remote repository for dists", which is a nonsense error messages due to internal bad parsing. |
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| 17:08 | <pcuser> | if you change the apt sources.list to the entry approx wants "deb http://approx-server:9999/APPROX-REPONAME testing main" |
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| 17:10 | <pcuser> | secondly, approx will not let you run it as a standard process, as it think stdin/out is a socket. It doesn't actually check. |
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| 17:11 | <retrospectacus> | supposed to be run through inetd then? |
| 17:12 | <FragByte> | pcuser: have you considered using apt-cacher-ng? it has the advantage of requiring only minor changes to the clients und is relatively easy to setup |
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| 17:13 | <pcuser> | I was told approx was the greatest thing, and apt-cache et al was unmaintained? |
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| 17:16 | <retrospectacus> | the -ng suffix usually means someone forked/resurrected a project (next generation) |
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| 17:25 | <pcuser> | retrospectacus, ok, apt-cacher-ng works out of the box. cheers |
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| 18:43 | <Guest5557> | hey guys, i installed the steam beta and want to remove it, its not in my lubuntu software center, any idea how i can remove it? thanks |
| 18:43 | <Maulkin> | Guest5557: Ask ubuntu |
| 18:43 | <Maulkin> | !ubuntu-irc |
| 18:43 | <dpkg> | This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu |
| 18:44 | <Guest5557> | thanks! |
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| 19:23 | <tpo> | Hello everyone! I need to know if I can install (and how) the firmware for an Atheros AR9485 wireless card on Squeeze. According to an HCL page the controller is ath9k :) |
| 19:24 | <retrospectacus> | !ath9k |
| 19:24 | <dpkg> | ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k for more information and supported devices. For Atheros 802.11n USB device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <ar9170>. |
| 19:24 | <retrospectacus> | tpo: all you need is a kernel newer than 2.6.39 |
| 19:25 | <retrospectacus> | 2.6.39 or newer, I should say |
| 19:25 | <tpo> | retrospectacus: how can I install that? |
| 19:25 | <retrospectacus> | !bpo kernel |
| 19:25 | <dpkg> | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are at backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current bdo kernel «aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 19:26 | <tpo> | If I may contextualise: I'm trying to install squeeze on an Acer Aspire E1; my problem is that after installation neither the Ethernet (atheros 8151) nor the wireless (ar9485) devices work, so I can't update |
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| 19:27 | <danijoo_> | hey tpo: didnt you want to install wheezy instead of squeeze last time i saw you here? ;) |
| 19:27 | <retrospectacus> | ah. You may want to use a "kmuto" installer then, it installs the newer kernel |
| 19:27 | <tpo> | I did danijoo_ (hello btw) but my screen didn't work |
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| 19:27 | <danijoo> | oh okay |
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| 19:28 | <tpo> | I couldn't see anything on-screen after the installation, just a stereogram-like pattern |
| 19:28 | <tpo> | retrospectacus: I downloaded an ISO image file from kmuto and cat-ed it into a USB, but it didn't boot |
| 19:29 | <retrospectacus> | haven't tried them myself but it should work... you could try using a CD |
| 19:29 | <retrospectacus> | like a caveman |
| 19:29 | <tpo> | retrospectacus: I don't have a cd burner on this machine |
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| 19:30 | <tpo> | that's why I want the other one I purchased working, it has a CD/DVD-RW device |
| 19:31 | <danijoo> | isnt it possible to just download the newer kernel .deb package with another machine and dpkg -i it? |
| 19:31 | <retrospectacus> | you'd probably need dependencies too |
| 19:31 | <retrospectacus> | <apt-zip> would help with that |
| 19:32 | <retrospectacus> | or we could try and get your wired ethernet working |
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| 19:32 | <tpo> | retrospectacus: that'd be nice!! |
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| 19:32 | <tpo> | I've got a netinst image of squeeze on a usb right now |
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| 19:34 | <danijoo> | you dont have it installed right now? |
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| 19:35 | <tpo> | do you think this might work?? http://mindmapapp.blogspot.mx/2012/01/use-atheros-ar8151-ethernet-card-on.html |
| 19:35 | <tpo> | danijoo: no I installed wheezy but as I said, I can't see anything on m screen... |
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| 19:37 | <danijoo> | i dunno if this work but you can give it a try |
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| 19:38 | <danijoo> | this script tells your machine to use the atl1c with your ethernetcard by adding its id to the list of ids which uses that driver |
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| 19:38 | <retrospectacus> | it depends if your device is 1969:1063 or 1969:1073 or 1969:1083 |
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| 19:39 | <danijoo> | if your crad works with the driver and is just not added in the supported devices list than it will help |
| 19:39 | <tpo> | retrospectacus: is that info displayed with lspci? |
| 19:40 | <retrospectacus> | yes with lspci -nn |
| 19:40 | <danijoo> | yep |
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| 19:40 | <tpo> | retrospectacus: it's 1969:1083 |
| 19:41 | <tpo> | I backed up all the info I could gather on squeeze before installing wheezy hehe |
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| 19:41 | <retrospectacus> | good call :) |
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| 19:42 | <Guest5561> | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 19:42 | <Guest5561> | grub-pc |
| 19:42 | <Guest5561> | grub |
| 19:42 | <Guest5561> | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) - what can i do |
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| 19:42 | <tpo> | okay, I'll install squeeze using my netinst image... here goes nothing |
| 19:43 | <retrospectacus> | tpo: it won't work :( |
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| 19:43 | <tpo> | why not? :( |
| 19:43 | <retrospectacus> | !ar8151 |
| 19:43 | <dpkg> | The Atheros AR8151 v1.0 Gigabit Ethernet controller (PCI ID 1969:1073) is supported by the <atl1c> driver in Debian linux-image packages since linux-2.6 2.6.32-28 (Debian bug #599771), ask me about <install debian>. AR8151 v2.0 (PCI ID 1969:1083) is supported by atl1c since Linux 2.6.36, ask me about <kmuto> for device use at Debian installation time. |
| 19:43 | <Guest5561> | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) - what can i do |
| 19:44 | <tpo> | retrospectacus: I don't get it... |
| 19:44 | <tpo> | is it because squeeze runs 2.6.32-5? |
| 19:44 | <retrospectacus> | tpo: you have the "v2.0" one - kernel 2.6.36 and up only |
| 19:44 | <tpo> | s*it |
| 19:44 | <retrospectacus> | the thing from the blog might work.... maybe |
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| 19:45 | <retrospectacus> | Guest5561: run "apt-get -f install ; apt-cache policy" and put the output on http://paste.debian.net/ and give us the URL |
| 19:46 | <danijoo> | ant what about fixing the scrren problem on wheezy instead of getting the wireless to work under squeeze |
| 19:46 | <tpo> | danijoo: the problem is that I can't see anything after the GRUB on wheezy |
| 19:46 | <danijoo> | that might be easier because he might have an internet connection to user under wheezy |
| 19:47 | <danijoo> | tpo: have you tried to boot without x server ? |
| 19:48 | <tpo> | yeah someone told me about that, to edit the GRUB commands... but it didn't work... I can't even see stuff when pressing ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 19:49 | <tpo> | the thing goes like this: I see the GRUB loader screen and when booting starts I see a lot of text (as usual) and then, after very few lines (before the screen is filled with text) I get this stereogram... |
| 19:49 | <Guest5561> | retrospectacus, http://paste.debian.net/209056/ |
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| 19:50 | <tpo> | danijoo: this is all I see after booting: http://picpaste.com/DSCF4287-4eUaQ1Bo.JPG |
| 19:50 | <retrospectacus> | Guest5561: and the other command's output? |
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| 19:52 | <danijoo> | okay. thats weired. maybe we should stick to your network problems ;'D |
| 19:52 | <Guest5561> | retrospectacus, http://paste.debian.net/209058/ |
| 19:53 | <tpo> | XD |
| 19:53 | <danijoo> | just install squeeze and try the fix you posted (but dont forget to change the ID in the file to the ID you posted us) |
| 19:53 | <tpo> | well my netinst image didn't boot so I'm downloading a live version, see if the script on the page helps |
| 19:53 | <danijoo> | it this dont work, you have to update to a newer kernel |
| 19:53 | <retrospectacus> | Guest5561: the error is: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?) |
| 19:53 | <danijoo> | if |
| 19:53 | <danijoo> | * |
| 19:54 | <tpo> | danijoo how may I do that? |
| 19:54 | <retrospectacus> | Guest5561: so, how is /boot/grub mounted? |
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| 19:54 | <danijoo> | thats the problem tpo. usually this is a one-line command, but without internet connection :/ |
| 19:54 | <tpo> | is it possible to download a newer kernel and just install/compile it on squeeze? |
| 19:54 | <Guest5561> | retrospectacus, grub is mounted in 4gb usb pen drive. |
| 19:54 | <danijoo> | thats the only chance tpo |
| 19:55 | <danijoo> | do you have a smartphone with internet connection tpo? |
| 19:55 | <retrospectacus> | Guest5561: that's... not really useful. Paste the output of "mount" |
| 19:55 | <tpo> | well here goes nothing... also, how can I know what version of Debian I'm running on this machine? I installed squeeze but I want something like 6.0.x, I've seen some posts elsewhere that might help |
| 19:56 | <tpo> | danijoo No I don't... I'm kind of allergic to non-computer technologies... |
| 19:56 | <danijoo> | you can print version information by typing uname |
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| 19:57 | <danijoo> | okay. we could have used your internet connection from the phone and stream it via bluetooth :p (i know bt is working on your machine.. remember that pan0 :p ) |
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| 19:57 | <tpo> | yeah but I get the kernel version and all that stuff, I want my Debian number version |
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| 19:57 | <Guest5561> | retrospectacus, http://paste.debian.net/209059/ |
| 19:57 | <danijoo> | if you download a new squeeze netinst, it should be 6.0.6 |
| 19:57 | <tpo> | danijoo yeah... I don't know, the mahcine specs say nothing about a Bluetooth :/ |
| 19:57 | <retrospectacus> | tpo: cat /etc/*version* |
| 19:58 | <tpo> | thanks retrospectacus |
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| 20:00 | <retrospectacus> | Guest5561: what are you trying to do? Knoppix is not supported here |
| 20:00 | <danijoo> | tpo you can just try to download the kernels .deb file and install it. but there might be some dependencies you must handle with |
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| 20:00 | <tester> | um |
| 20:00 | <danijoo> | i say |
| 20:00 | <tester> | I been having problems all week with hard disks dissapearing |
| 20:00 | <danijoo> | *might* |
| 20:00 | <tester> | Ive just been removing them |
| 20:01 | <tester> | but Im down to two hard disks |
| 20:01 | <tpo> | Well apparently the link I posted before works on Debian 6.0.3; I'm running 6.0.6, so it should work, right?? I got to the page above from the last post on this thread: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=74239 |
| 20:01 | <retrospectacus> | tester: think before you type |
| 20:01 | <tester> | if this continues, man I have to research this |
| 20:01 | <Guest5561> | retrospectacus, sorry. tell me where ? |
| 20:01 | <tpo> | danijoo: what do you mean? Can I just ignore the dependencies or do I have to download the .debs for the as well? |
| 20:01 | <retrospectacus> | tester: compose a useful question, on one line. Do not flood the channel with your ramblings |
| 20:01 | <danijoo> | you need them |
| 20:01 | <tester> | well my hard disks one after the other , BAM,BAM , BAM, I go to look and all of a sudden they arent mounted anymore, which brings my squid to its knees, since the cache is on those disks, any idea where to look to begin trouble shooting this? |
| 20:02 | <retrospectacus> | tester: dmesg |
| 20:02 | <retrospectacus> | tuxcrafter: irc://chat.freenode.net/#knoppix |
| 20:02 | <retrospectacus> | I mean Guest5561 |
| 20:03 | <tpo> | danijoo: so what do I do? how do I find the .deb for a kernel on the debian pages? |
| 20:03 | <danijoo> | tpo: this might work, too : http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Offline_Package_Management_for_APT |
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| 20:03 | <retrospectacus> | !tell tpo about apt-zip |
| 20:03 | <retrospectacus> | that should help |
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| 20:06 | <tester> | My syslogs are stuffed with a absurd ammount of dhcp requests, it would seem the default lease time is just a few minutes, I tried changing the lease time to 1 week, but the dhcpserver went nuts, machines were having trouble gettings leases, grrr, |
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| 20:06 | <tpo> | so I'd need to just download the .deb for apt-offline, right? |
| 20:07 | <retrospectacus> | tester: that does not sound related to your disk problem |
| 20:07 | <tester> | no I have several issues |
| 20:07 | <retrospectacus> | one at a time. |
| 20:07 | <tester> | default lease time for isp-dhcp-server is wayyy too low, causes flood of logs in syslog |
| 20:08 | <tester> | I really dont think I need to request a new ip every 5 minutes |
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| 20:08 | <retrospectacus> | tester: so increase it... or do you have an actual question |
| 20:08 | <tester> | I tried to increase it, it failed I had to set it back |
| 20:08 | <tester> | was a complete disaster |
| 20:09 | <tester> | also, I cant pull dmesg for the hard disks errors because Ive allready rebooted three times |
| 20:09 | <danijoo> | tpo: i dont know. maybe its already installed by default. if not, you need the .deb for it, right |
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| 20:10 | * | retrospectacus goes home |
| 20:11 | <retrospectacus> | \o cya! |
| 20:11 | <danijoo> | o/ |
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| 20:13 | <tester> | Hmm, I wonder if power management is actually "spin down disks when possible" finally actually doing it with the latest updates |
| 20:14 | <tester> | I dont think thats the problem. because when I rebooted the affected disks did not remount |
| 20:15 | <danijoo> | that wouldnt cause your unmount problems tester. |
| 20:15 | <tester> | And I just tested one of them with Western Digital Data Lifeguard, disk passed |
| 20:15 | <danijoo> | spinning them donw dont unmount them |
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| 20:15 | <tester> | yeah they stil have an entry in fstab, so that didnt dissapear |
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| 20:16 | <tester> | maybe the hard disks ID has changed or something? |
| 20:16 | <RyanChile> | Hello all |
| 20:16 | <danijoo> | tester are you sure it isnt a loose contact or something like that |
| 20:16 | <danijoo> | never heard of a "self-unmounting" harddisk before |
| 20:16 | <tester> | nah man, I had 5 hard disks in there and 2 of them dropped, so I removed them and the controller card they were on |
| 20:16 | <tester> | thinking that the controller card was the issue |
| 20:16 | <tester> | a couple days went by, and now this BAM< one more disk |
| 20:16 | <danijoo> | something in the syslog? |
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| 20:16 | <danijoo> | Hi RyanChile |
| 20:17 | <tester> | man Ive rebooted a long time ago and I run dhcp server with absurdly low dhcp lease time, ( the stock time for iscp-dhcp) so my logs are flooded |
| 20:17 | <RyanChile> | hi danijoo |
| 20:17 | <tester> | I have many dhcp clients on my network, now you know why I was complaining about the lease time |
| 20:17 | <danijoo> | there should still be some old syslogs tester. The are called syslog.1 then (and be compressed) |
| 20:17 | <tester> | erm yeah |
| 20:17 | <RyanChile> | I've been looking for some information, I learned today about live-build, however I am looking for a tool that can convert an already existing Debian install into a runnable live-cd |
| 20:23 | <danijoo> | RyanChile: Maybe this helps you. http://debianandi.blogspot.de/2011/09/howto-debian-live-build-your-own-distro.html |
| 20:23 | <tester> | sec, I gotta scp them over and have a look |
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| 20:23 | <RyanChile> | danijoo: I am aware of that page, thanks. I'd like to see if there is a way to avoid "starting from scratch" |
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| 20:23 | <danijoo> | i dont think so RyanChile |
| 20:23 | <RyanChile> | Another possible choice would be to use live-build over a VM and copy the current config there, not too sure how would that work out |
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| 20:23 | <RyanChile> | darn, called for dinnertime, thanks for advice, will stay |
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| 20:28 | <tester> | anyone know wtf this is? <gettext_domain> not understood below <schema> |
| 20:28 | <tester> | I get that recently when Im installing software using apt |
| 20:28 | <abrotman> | use a pastebin to show us |
| 20:30 | <babilen> | tester: Throw in "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy apt" as well |
| 20:30 | <tester> | k |
| 20:30 | <tester> | thank you gentlmen, this will take a moment. |
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| 20:36 | <tester> | http://paste.debian.net/209066/ <--- apt |
| 20:37 | <tester> | , unrelated to my disk errors, this is a diff machine entirely |
| 20:38 | <tester> | waterloo is in there for libdvdcss, in case your wondering |
| 20:40 | <abrotman> | those are just warnings |
| 20:40 | <abrotman> | do they happen every time |
| 20:40 | <abrotman> | ? |
| 20:40 | <babilen> | tester: That looks rather like a gconf error than an apt-get one... |
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| 20:40 | <babilen> | ,bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=619465 |
| 20:40 | <judd> | No bugs were found in package http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=619465. |
| 20:40 | <abrotman> | not error! |
| 20:40 | <babilen> | err :) |
| 20:40 | <abrotman> | dpkg: dbugs 619465 |
| 20:40 | <dpkg> | DONE:#619465:N[nautilus-pastebin] WARNING: node <gettext_domain> not understood below <schema> (); Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:36:01 UTC [] |
| 20:41 | <babilen> | and yeah .. warning |
| 20:41 | <tpo> | Im doing "cat file.iso > /dev/sdc" to copy an iso image to a usb; the iso is supposed to be bootable but it doesn't boot, any suggestions?? |
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| 20:42 | <abrotman> | which ISO? |
| 20:42 | <tester> | btw I found a bug in nautilus-pastebin, the gnome-notification applet keeps coming up telling you that nautilus-pastebin was installed requiring a reboot, its there no matter how many times you reboot, the lightbulb thingy |
| 20:42 | <babilen> | tpo: Can you boot other images? Which image is it? Do you sync after copying it? (i.e. cat the.iso > /dev/sdc ; sync" ? |
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| 20:42 | <tpo> | babilen yes I had booted before... perhaps I forgot syncing this time. It's a squeeze live system |
| 20:42 | <babilen> | Which image? |
| 20:43 | <tester> | does anyone else here have nautilus-pastebin installed? |
| 20:43 | <tpo> | babilen its live 6.0.5 amd64 xfce |
| 20:44 | <tpo> | now, should I cat to sdc or to sdc1? I have 1 partition there... |
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| 20:44 | <babilen> | tpo: You should cat to /def/sdc (assuming that is your usb stick) |
| 20:44 | <babilen> | *dev |
| 20:45 | <tpo> | right! brb cat-ing :) |
| 20:45 | <babilen> | tpo: Please make sure that it *is* your stick. |
| 20:45 | <tpo> | yes, it is :) |
| 20:45 | <tpo> | all my hdd's are mounted on sda ;) |
| 20:46 | <tpo> | well.. not mounted there... but you know what I mean |
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| 20:48 | <tpo> | yay! it boots! |
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| 20:50 | <babilen> | tpo: Wonderful -- Any particular reason why you don't use a 6.0.6 image? |
| 20:51 | <tpo> | How do I get it babilen? I downloaded the image from the debian page... I wanted a live version and this is the one I got from there. |
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| 20:51 | <abrotman> | babilen: may not exist yet for live images |
| 20:52 | <babilen> | tpo: Ah, live. |
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| 20:53 | <tpo> | Okay, so I want to do is the following: I'm having trouble with my internet devices (wlan and eth) on squeeze, so I installed whezzy but my screen doesn't work after booting (I can only see GRUB and then a few lines of text and then a stereogram, so to speak). So I'm trying this http://mindmapapp.blogspot.mx/2012/01/use-atheros-ar8151-ethernet-card-on.html on squeeze |
| 20:53 | <babilen> | tpo: Yeah, 6.0.5 seems to be the lates live image. |
| 20:53 | <tester> | Niiice, just upgraded all my machines to that latest kernel from squeeze-backports, one of the machines locks up when it tries to load the login prompts for gnome-desktop |
| 20:53 | <tester> | had to boot older kernel to get it up |
| 20:54 | <tester> | 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
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| 20:54 | <babilen> | dpkg: tell tpo -about ar8151 |
| 20:55 | <tpo> | does anyone think that might work? I got there from the last post itt: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=74239 |
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| 20:55 | <babilen> | tpo: Which GPU do you have? Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 20:55 | <tester> | if your using proprietary nvidia drivers and you changed your kernel, your going to need to reinstall the drivers for them to work, unless I am mistaken tpo |
| 20:55 | <tpo> | babilen: yeah, I'm aware that ar8151 is supposed to work on kernels 2.6.32-25 (or something like that) onwards, but the post on debian forums said he was running it on Debian 6.0.3 |
| 20:56 | <babilen> | tpo: Which NIC is it? (lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet) |
| 20:56 | <tpo> | babilen here you go http://paste.debian.net/209069/ |
| 20:56 | <tpo> | nic? |
| 20:56 | <tester> | network interface card |
| 20:56 | <babilen> | tester: That sounds like a problem with Xorg rather than anything else. Could you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" please? |
| 20:57 | <tester> | yeah its one of those intel i845g integrated chipsets, Ive have nothing but problems with it |
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| 20:57 | <tpo> | if you mean the number you get with lspci -n babilen it is the same as in the post I mentioned (1969 1083) |
| 20:58 | <babilen> | tpo: As mentioned in the factoid dpkg sent you: You need a newer kernel for that particular card (pciid 19691083) -- You can install one by following "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" |
| 21:00 | <babilen> | tpo: Your problems with wheezy might stem from the fact that you didn't supply firmware during the installation (or used an image *with* firmware in the first place) -- Some Radeon GPUs need that or just won't work. |
| 21:00 | <babilen> | tpo: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ ← download of images with firmware (netinst only) |
| 21:01 | <tester> | http://paste.debian.net/209071/ i845g lockup with kernel 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
| 21:01 | <tpo> | babilen which file should I get? a wheezy image? I'd really like to install squeeze |
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| 21:04 | <babilen> | tpo: Then install/use squeeze -- I was merely commenting. Either way you want to install a newer kernel from backports + firmware. You have to enable contrib and non-free for backports as well and you need for install (at least) firmware-linux-nonfree from there too. I would also *strongly* recommend to install iucode-tool and (depending on your processor) either intel-microcode or amd64-microcode |
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| 21:05 | <tpo> | babilen: I'll keep that in mind. Let's suppose for a moment that I can't get my ethernet card to work with the script I pasted here; someone (I don't remember whom, but it was here minutes ago) suggested I use apt-offline |
| 21:05 | <tester> | btw babilen, Ive allready upgraded everything from backports on that box that was available |
| 21:05 | <babilen> | tester: Something is very wrong there. It really shouldn't try to use the mach64 driver, but intel ... |
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| 21:06 | <tester> | ok, ill blacklist mach64 |
| 21:06 | <tester> | thanks |
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| 21:06 | <babilen> | tester: Do you use a /etc/X11/xorg.conf or configuration snippets in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? |
| 21:06 | <tester> | its all been automatic |
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| 21:07 | <tester> | I didnt setup a conf |
| 21:07 | <tester> | /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesnt exist, to answer your question |
| 21:08 | <tpo> | Also: how do I look for a new kernel image from aptitude/synaptic/apt-get? |
| 21:08 | <babilen> | tester: Hmm, that is slightly weird and pesky. Could you run "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "intel"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf" and try it again? |
| 21:08 | <babilen> | tester: I wonder why the autoconfiguration doesn't work for your GPU :-/ |
| 21:09 | <tester> | well, I cant watch videos in vlc either, all I get is audio while youtube videos work fine |
| 21:09 | <tester> | and no hardware acceleration for games at all, even less than this "fine gpu" should be performing at :p |
| 21:09 | <babilen> | tester: Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn ; lspci -n" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 21:10 | <tester> | yes, thank you |
| 21:10 | <tpo> | Once I enabled backports, what's the name of the package for a newer kernel?? |
| 21:10 | <babilen> | judd: pciid 1002:4c52 |
| 21:10 | <judd> | [1002:4c52] is 'Rage Mobility P/M' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' with kernel modules 'atyfb', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:4c52 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 21:10 | <tester> | http://paste.debian.net/209073/ |
| 21:11 | <babilen> | tpo: Just follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" as mentioned earlier, but you can just install the "linux-image-amd64" or "linux-image-686-pae" metpackage (depending on your architecture) |
| 21:11 | <tpo> | I'm an amd64... what is pae? |
| 21:11 | <tester> | Do you still adviserunning that command set? |
| 21:12 | <babilen> | tester: which command set? |
| 21:12 | <tester> | mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "intel"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf |
| 21:12 | <babilen> | tester: The creation of the configuration file? |
| 21:12 | <tester> | yes |
| 21:12 | <babilen> | tester: Yes, please. |
| 21:13 | <tester> | ok im rebooting it now, its in the other room, and I am, "diposed" Ill be there shortly to check its status |
| 21:13 | <babilen> | tester: Just to make sure: The Xorg.log you pasted (i.e. http://paste.debian.net/209071/) is from the same box as the lspci output? May I see the output of "aptitude search '~i~n^xserver-xorg'" please? |
| 21:13 | <babilen> | tester: Please just ^^^ |
| 21:13 | <tester> | yes |
| 21:13 | <tester> | the same machin |
| 21:14 | <tester> | oh crap |
| 21:14 | <babilen> | hmm? |
| 21:14 | <tester> | sorry Ive got so many ssh sessions open, :( |
| 21:14 | <tester> | I must have made a mistake there |
| 21:14 | <babilen> | I knew it! |
| 21:15 | <babilen> | tester: The machine that Xorg.0.log is from has a Rage Mobnility doesn't it? |
| 21:15 | <babilen> | *Mobility even |
| 21:15 | <tester> | yeah |
| 21:15 | <tpo> | what filesystem should I use? ext4, 3 or 2? for both my root and home directories |
| 21:15 | <tester> | I scp the darn thing over |
| 21:16 | <tester> | how did I make that mistake ( scratches head) |
| 21:16 | <babilen> | tester: Could we please repeat the exercise with the *correct* and *matching* logs/lspci output? |
| 21:16 | <tester> | lol, absolutely |
| 21:16 | <babilen> | :-D |
| 21:16 | <tester> | one moment, I need to finish up my business here and get bakc into the office |
| 21:16 | <babilen> | tester: I mean I've seen a lot of things, but that ... well ... looked highly suspicious. |
| 21:19 | <tester> | needless to say, that did not work to fix the problem :P |
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| 21:20 | <babilen> | tester: Just to make that clear: You don't want that configuration file I asked you to create on *any* box right now. |
| 21:20 | <tpo> | If I want to increase (later) the RAM of my laptop (it currently has 4 GB) and I'm running a 64-bit system, should I install the pae or not? |
| 21:20 | <babilen> | tpo: I would install amd64 and forget about those bigmem/pae malarky |
| 21:21 | <tester> | Ahh I scp'd to from the machine back to itself, lol |
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| 21:21 | <tpo> | o.k |
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| 21:22 | <tpo> | While we're on the subject: what kernel version should I install? Will aptitude allow me doing it without asking me to upgrade? |
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| 21:23 | <tpo> | Look: a girl... aaand she's gone XD |
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| 21:23 | <Joe> | hello all, |
| 21:23 | <tester> | http://paste.debian.net/209074/ corrected i845 paste |
| 21:24 | <Joe> | i want to install gcc 4.6.0. |
| 21:24 | <Joe> | but it need ppl-0.11 |
| 21:24 | <Joe> | i download the code for ppl-0.11 |
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| 21:24 | <Joe> | but do not know how to install it. |
| 21:24 | <babilen> | tpo: I would recommend to install the amd64 architecture and the linux-image-amd64 metapackage. Apart from that: You can either run the kernel that comes with your release or (if you are running stable) install a newer kernel from backports. |
| 21:24 | <Joe> | can any one pls help me? |
| 21:25 | <babilen> | tpo: Given that you want to use your network card you *have* to install a newer kernel from backports (i.e. "apt-get -t squeeze-backports linux-image-amd64") Don't forget to install firmware packages (if needed) from backports too! |
| 21:26 | <tpo> | uhmm.. debian installer tells me that grub installation failed. "The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/"... |
| 21:26 | <babilen> | Joe: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 21:26 | <babilen> | tpo: Where did you try to install it to? MBR? |
| 21:26 | <danijoo> | babilen to make clear what tpo wants (because i have to go now and cant continue help him): he needs a newer kernel because the old one dont support his ethernet card. he tries to get the packages via apt-zip because he cannot access the internet with the machine and needs a kernel > 2.6.32 |
| 21:26 | <tpo> | babilen: if I got you before, I should install firmware-linux-nonfree, iucode-tool, amd64-microcode and a newer kernel, right? |
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| 21:27 | <Joe> | i do not use debian. |
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| 21:27 | <tester> | 2.6.32 sucks, why not use 3.2.0-0 from bpo?? |
| 21:27 | <Joe> | i downloaded ppl-0.11.tar.gz from web |
| 21:27 | <babilen> | Joe: What do you use? |
| 21:27 | <tpo> | danijoo, babilen: both my ethernet and wireless cards don't work under squeeze... my wireless is atheros ar9485 |
| 21:27 | <danijoo> | i didnt say he should choose 2.6.32 - i said he need sth greaterr 2.6.32.. |
| 21:27 | <tester> | dude^^ ar9485 doesnt work in 2.6.32 |
| 21:27 | <babilen> | danijoo: Yeah, I figured as much (wasn't aware of the apt-zip part though) |
| 21:28 | <Joe> | also gcc-4.6.0.tar.gz |
| 21:28 | <tpo> | babilen: I don't know where debian installer tried to install GRUB, it didn't prompt... it is usually MBR right? |
| 21:28 | <babilen> | tpo: Is that a new installation? |
| 21:28 | <Joe> | but when i try to install ppl-0.11 |
| 21:28 | <tpo> | yes, new installation |
| 21:28 | <babilen> | !tell tpo -about kmuto |
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| 21:28 | <Joe> | after ./configure --prefix=/usr/ --with-gmp=/usr/ |
| 21:28 | <babilen> | tpo: Please use the kmuto installer for the installation. It comes with a newer kernel and firmware out of the box and will make your life much easier. |
| 21:28 | <Joe> | i do not know how to install |
| 21:29 | <Joe> | because make not work |
| 21:29 | <babilen> | Joe: Which linux distribution do you use? |
| 21:29 | <Joe> | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 21:29 | <tpo> | babilen: I got an iso image from kmuto but does it install everything I need? |
| 21:29 | <Joe> | Ubuntu10.04 |
| 21:29 | <babilen> | !ubuntuirc Joe |
| 21:29 | <dpkg> | Joe: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu |
| 21:29 | <Joe> | 64bits |
| 21:29 | <tester> | #ubuntu |
| 21:29 | <tester> | :P |
| 21:29 | <babilen> | Joe: This is #debian not #ubuntu -- Please ask in their channel. Ubuntu is offtopic here. |
| 21:29 | <Joe> | ok. thank you |
| 21:30 | <tpo> | babilen: okay, what image do you suggest? |
| 21:30 | <babilen> | Joe: Good luck (and you just want to upgrade to the newest Ubuntu version btw) |
| 21:30 | <Joe> | join #ubuntu |
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| 21:30 | <babilen> | tpo: The kmuto one |
| 21:30 | <tester> | tpo, I can walk you through installing kernel 3.2.0-0 on debian squeeze if thats what your trying to do |
| 21:30 | <tpo> | babilen do you mean the first one on the page? |
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| 21:30 | <babilen> | tpo: Ah, yes. |
| 21:31 | <tpo> | tester: I'm not really sure what I am trying to do... well, apart from getting my internet devices to work on squeeze |
| 21:31 | <tester> | ah |
| 21:31 | <danijoo> | gonna get some sleep now. bye o/ |
| 21:31 | <babilen> | tester: AFAICT tpo is currently installing and doesn't have a network connection *at all* -- It is therefore much easier to just use an installer that supports his/her hardware. |
| 21:31 | <tester> | well sure you have an ar9485 and kernel 2.6.x and its not working, amirite? |
| 21:31 | <danijoo> | (and good luck with your neveer ending network story tpo :p ) |
| 21:31 | <tpo> | his |
| 21:31 | <tester> | then pm me and well get that working in no time |
| 21:31 | <tpo> | I'm a guy btw :) |
| 21:32 | <tpo> | thanks danijoo o/ |
| 21:32 | <babilen> | tester: Just keep it in the channel |
| 21:32 | <tester> | ok, then, well its simple |
| 21:32 | <tester> | add backports to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:32 | <babilen> | tpo: hang on -- you confused me with the grub installation -- do you have squeeze installed or not? |
| 21:32 | <tester> | I have the list if you would like a copy of my source.list btw, |
| 21:32 | <babilen> | !bdo kernel |
| 21:32 | <dpkg> | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are at backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current bdo kernel «aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 21:33 | <babilen> | tester: tpo is aware of ^^^ |
| 21:33 | <tpo> | babile: nope, I'm starting over in expert mode |
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| 21:33 | <babilen> | tpo: Ok, screw that and use the kmuto installer. It comes with a backported kernel and firmware and you should have internet conenctivity even during the installation |
| 21:33 | <tpo> | yes, I've seen the bdo and the kmuto pages... I'm currently downloading the first image on the kmuto page |
| 21:34 | <tpo> | babilen: as soon as it finishes downloading I will :) |
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| 21:35 | <tester> | im writing you a short tutorial on paste tpo, one second |
| 21:35 | <tpo> | well chrome says it should take about half hour so I'll get me a spot o'nosebag... |
| 21:36 | <tpo> | thanks tester :) |
| 21:36 | <babilen> | tester: tutorial to do what? |
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| 21:36 | * | simonlnu is wondering also |
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| 21:39 | <tester> | tpo, here ---> http://paste.debian.net/209077/ |
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| 21:39 | <tester> | tut to upgrade your kernel to get your ar9485 working |
| 21:40 | <tester> | easy as pie |
| 21:40 | <tester> | ok |
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| 21:40 | <babilen> | tester: Have you even been following our discussion? |
| 21:41 | <tester> | I was busy writing that |
| 21:41 | <tester> | I missed a bit of discussion, my apologies |
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| 21:42 | <tpo> | Now that was some lovely cold pizza... tester, as babilen said my problem is that I don't have funcionality of neither ethernet nor wireless on squeeze... but thanks mate! |
| 21:42 | <tester> | what the heck is a kmuto installer??? |
| 21:42 | <babilen> | tester: Couple of comments: 1. Not everybody is in the US (hard to believe for Americans, I know). Therefore use http.debian.net as mirror to recommend in here not some that is specific to a region (/msg dpkg http.debian.net) |
| 21:42 | <babilen> | dpkg: tell tester -about kmuto |
| 21:42 | <sney> | !tell tester about kmuto |
| 21:42 | <sney> | drat |
| 21:42 | <tester> | oh cool, a way to get slightly newer kernels than what bpo has to offer? |
| 21:43 | <babilen> | tester: 2. You can just install a metapackage for a kernel that depends on the newest version. In this case linux-image-amd64 is the one to go for. |
| 21:43 | <babilen> | ,depends linux-image-amd64 --release squeeze-backports |
| 21:43 | <judd> | Package linux-image-amd64 in squeeze-backports/i386 -- depends: linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64. |
| 21:43 | <sney> | tester: 3. feel free to use deb-multimedia, but it's not recommended to just dump it on people for no explicit reason |
| 21:43 | <tester> | yeah I was a bit confused about that, coz apt wanted me to install that and I allready had bp0s kernel installed |
| 21:43 | <tester> | linux-image-amd64 |
| 21:44 | <tester> | I was really confused, because I was like "ok I allready installed kernel from bpo, why would I need that??" |
| 21:44 | <babilen> | tester: Yeah, debian-multimedia is considered harmful by many people ... apart from that: good write-up :) |
| 21:44 | <babilen> | dpkg: tell tester about metapackage |
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| 21:45 | <tester> | ok well, I gotta dig into these syslogs to try and find out why my hard disks are dropping like flies |
| 21:45 | <tester> | ive only got two more disks in that machine, if either of those decide to stop mounting im in trouble |
| 21:45 | <tester> | its my router and my squid box, it goes down, a dozen people come in here and lynch me |
| 21:45 | <sney> | tester: maybe some redundancy would be a good idea for the mission critical stuff. |
| 21:46 | <tester> | yeah im sort of regretting upgrading that one to backprots |
| 21:46 | <tester> | I didnt have any issues like this until I did that |
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| 21:47 | <sney> | the bpo kernel doesn't nuke disks on its own. disks die because of usage and bad luck |
| 21:47 | <sney> | and if it's important, use raid |
| 21:47 | <tpo> | Oi, mates! How useful is knowing python to help develop debian? I ask because I'm learning python next semester |
| 21:48 | <sney> | tpo: python is pretty common but C is still the big one |
| 21:48 | <sney> | still, knowing and understanding any language is a good start to learning other ones |
| 21:48 | <tester> | man my syslogs are useless, absolutely FLOODED with dhcp requests every 10 minutes from 2 dozen machines |
| 21:48 | <tpo> | sney yeah, I know... but my programming skills are scarse, to say the least... and I more or less understand python |
| 21:48 | <tester> | every 600 seconds to be precise, which is the default lease time for isc-dhcp-server |
| 21:48 | <tpo> | scarce* |
| 21:48 | <bones_was_here> | tester: grep is your friend |
| 21:49 | <tester> | nah theres nothing in there at all man, thats what Im saying |
| 21:49 | <tester> | its completely washed out |
| 21:49 | <tpo> | hey I remember many names from last night... do you all come here daily?? |
| 21:49 | <tester> | I do, I use this name when Im not pissing off the mods and getting kicked |
| 21:49 | <tester> | :P |
| 21:49 | <sney> | tpo: my client doesn't leave but I'm not always actually here |
| 21:50 | <sney> | people like me and babilen and simonlnu are fixtures. tester I'm not sure about. other nicks? |
| 21:51 | <tester> | Honestly, I enjoy helping when I can, learning and using debian, I want to be a productive member of this community by finding bugs and reporting them, so developers have the information they need to fix the issues we face. Not to "piss off the moderators" |
| 21:51 | <bones_was_here> | tester: that doesnt quite make sense because (at least by default) syslogs get rotated on a daily basis and not because they reached a certain size |
| 21:52 | <tester> | they are only about 500k |
| 21:52 | <tester> | the gz's |
| 21:52 | <tester> | so they are washed out |
| 21:52 | <tpo> | Okay, so this backported iso from kmuto is it live or just install? |
| 21:52 | <tester> | 500k decompressed that is |
| 21:52 | <bones_was_here> | look in dmesg if you're after hdd fail messages |
| 21:53 | <tester> | its also washed out |
| 21:53 | <tester> | too low of a dhcp lease time for isc-dhcp-server |
| 21:53 | <tester> | my logs are flooded with dhcp requests from dozens of machines |
| 21:53 | <bones_was_here> | lol its not normal for dhcp stuff to get into dmesg |
| 21:53 | <tester> | you must realize this went down while I was away and was like this for hours |
| 21:53 | <tester> | erm. |
| 21:54 | <bones_was_here> | like i said, that doesnt matter, the logs don't get rotated because of size |
| 21:54 | <sney> | tpo: installer. debian live cds always explicitly say "live" |
| 21:54 | <tpo> | right!!! okay, here goes nothing |
| 21:54 | <tester> | ok ill check the compressed dmesg, I allready checked the normal ones, |
| 21:54 | <bones_was_here> | if your dhcp server is putting errors in dmesg you need to fix it |
| 21:55 | <sney> | and if it's just flooding your logs with info then you should turn the log level down |
| 21:55 | <simonlnu> | and maybe set a higher lease time... |
| 21:56 | <simonlnu> | fixture? i am not an object! :P |
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| 21:56 | <simonlnu> | sney: teehee |
| 21:56 | <sney> | :P |
| 21:59 | <tester> | wow dmseg is only about 30k before it gets compressed |
| 21:59 | <sney> | tester: you don't have to give the channel the play by play. let us know if you find something. |
| 22:00 | <bones_was_here> | correction: zcat and grep are your friends ;) |
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| 22:01 | <tpo> | uhmmm excuse me but my usb with the kmuto image doesn't boot... I did "cat file.iso > /dev/sdc;sync" |
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| 22:02 | <sney> | and you let the sync finish before removing the drive? |
| 22:02 | <simonlnu> | zgrep |
| 22:02 | <abrotman> | zcat you mean? |
| 22:02 | <tester> | only thing I see so far about the last disk to screw up, so far is this |
| 22:02 | <tester> | 13.596747] EXT4-fs (sdc1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) |
| 22:02 | <tpo> | sney yes |
| 22:02 | <tpo> | it all finished |
| 22:02 | <tester> | but that was just it mounting when it mounted the others |
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| 22:03 | <sney> | tpo: can you mount the drive? those usb drives do go bad after a while |
| 22:03 | <simonlnu> | for a gzipped log file? :) |
| 22:03 | <tpo> | sney yep it's mounted on this computer |
| 22:04 | <bones_was_here> | tester: try searching for 'ata' (assuming you're using pata or sata hdd's) |
| 22:04 | <tester> | nothing in there |
| 22:05 | <tester> | it lists them as sata drives, even tho they are ata |
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| 22:06 | <tpo> | should the drive be mounted when doing cat? |
| 22:06 | <tester> | theres no errors in any of those dmesg archives related to my hard disks |
| 22:06 | <tester> | just looks like normal messages that get passed during initial startup |
| 22:06 | <simonlnu> | tester: no |
| 22:06 | <tester> | when I went to look the disks were no longer mounted |
| 22:06 | <tester> | I would reboot, and they wouldnt remount |
| 22:07 | <tester> | thats the sympton |
| 22:07 | <tester> | symptom |
| 22:07 | <tester> | this is after several days of solid uptime |
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| 22:07 | <tester> | as I stated before, this happened a few days ago, and I assumed I had a failed hard disk controller, so I removed the Promise controller and the disks attached thinking that resolved the issue |
| 22:08 | <tester> | then today, it happened again, to a single disk attached directly to the board |
| 22:09 | <tester> | I run tests on the disks, the manufacturers diags, and the disks are fine and pass |
| 22:09 | <bones_was_here> | have you pastebinned the error when trying to mount? |
| 22:09 | <tester> | so my disks arent failing |
| 22:09 | <tester> | I cant find the error in my logs |
| 22:09 | <tpo> | babilen help please! the usb with the iso image I downloaded from kmuto doesn't boot |
| 22:09 | <tester> | and Its a production machine |
| 22:09 | <tester> | I had to remove the disks adn get it back up asap |
| 22:10 | <tester> | my syslogs are useless because they are flooded with dhcp requests, completely washed out, and my dmesg shows no errors, went through all of the compressed archives, nothing |
| 22:10 | <bones_was_here> | well you're unlikely to get help in here unless you can paste some info |
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| 22:10 | <tester> | well, Im going to see if I can address this isp-dhcp lease time issue, so my logs arent flooded, or at least configure my machine not to pass dhcp logs to the syslog |
| 22:10 | <simonlnu> | grep -v DHCP |
| 22:10 | <bones_was_here> | your logs aren't useless, because they don't get 'washed out', that's not a thing |
| 22:10 | <tester> | dude, they are washed with dhcp requests, Ive allready been through them |
| 22:11 | <tester> | all the archives too |
| 22:11 | * | simonlnu keeps thinking washed out like the colour got removed or something |
| 22:11 | <bones_was_here> | they are not some small buffer with a limited size, so what you're saying does not happen |
| 22:11 | <tester> | 600 seconds is the default least time, now imagine 24 machines doing that for 16 hours |
| 22:11 | <tester> | thats a washed out log |
| 22:11 | <simonlnu> | grep -v DHCP |
| 22:11 | <simonlnu> | ... |
| 22:11 | <bones_was_here> | no, it's one you need to use tools to analyse |
| 22:11 | <tester> | dude, its washed |
| 22:11 | <tpo> | should I do something with this boot-amd64-0315.img.gz file???? |
| 22:11 | <tester> | ive allready looked, but thank you |
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| 22:12 | <bones_was_here> | maybe you removed the disk that had the relevant errors logged on it |
| 22:12 | <RayzrShrp> | sup debian |
| 22:12 | <tester> | lol, /var/log isnt located on a slave disk |
| 22:13 | <simonlnu> | tpo: ungzip it first if you wanna use it on the stick |
| 22:13 | <bones_was_here> | lol? at me not being able to perfectly guess all the details of your setup? |
| 22:13 | <simonlnu> | tpo: or use zcat like abrotman said earlier |
| 22:13 | <bones_was_here> | anyway good luck :P |
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| 22:13 | <simonlnu> | tester: dude, you need some cli skills |
| 22:14 | <tpo> | simonlu: right, but then what do I do with the iso image I downloaded? |
| 22:14 | <RayzrShrp> | numchuck skills, cli skills |
| 22:14 | <tester> | sirdancealota, ive been through my logs, I dont know what you dont get about, they are washed out with isp-dhcpserver dhcp lease requests, please do not insult me |
| 22:14 | <tester> | nice autocomplete someones name when I typed sir, awesome (NOT) |
| 22:14 | * | simonlnu sighs and wanders off |
| 22:15 | * | RayzrShrp shurgs at simonlnu |
| 22:16 | <RayzrShrp> | is there a more detailed way to view a package other then apt-cache showpkg? |
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| 22:18 | <abrotman> | RayzrShrp: what more details do you want? |
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| 22:19 | <RayzrShrp> | well for instance in ubuntu the software center has a lot more information about packages, is that being stored in a seperate db exclusive to software center or do the packages themselves contain that information? |
| 22:19 | <abrotman> | what "more information" |
| 22:19 | <RayzrShrp> | just a more verbose description of what the package does |
| 22:19 | <abrotman> | RayzrShrp: apt-cache show bash |
| 22:20 | <abrotman> | instead of showpkg |
| 22:20 | <simonlnu> | you want the description field i suppose |
| 22:20 | <RayzrShrp> | yeah |
| 22:20 | <simonlnu> | showpkg is just the short one |
| 22:20 | <RayzrShrp> | ah yes exactly |
| 22:20 | <abrotman> | right, apt-cache show foo |
| 22:20 | <RayzrShrp> | i suppose a man apt-cache would have shown me that :facepalm |
| 22:20 | <simonlnu> | yep =) |
| 22:21 | <bones_was_here> | aptitude shows that stuff too |
| 22:21 | <RayzrShrp> | is aptitude still around? |
| 22:21 | <abrotman> | still? |
| 22:21 | <abrotman> | aptitude is newer than apt-get |
| 22:21 | <bones_was_here> | ubuntu removed aptitude iirc :P |
| 22:21 | <abrotman> | no |
| 22:21 | <RayzrShrp> | maybe thats why I think its gone |
| 22:23 | <tester> | grr, I need to figure out how to redirect isp-dhcp-server logs somewhere other than syslog |
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| 22:23 | <tpo> | simonlnu: i zcat-ed the img.gz file but it still doesn't boot :( |
| 22:23 | <abrotman> | tpo: does your bios support usb booting? |
| 22:24 | <tpo> | yes, I've booted from USB before |
| 22:24 | <tpo> | I'm trying to install the kmuto 0315 image, but neither the iso nor the img.gz seem to work |
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| 22:27 | <tpo> | okay the instructions here http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 say that I should zcat the img.gz file and then copy the iso... do I copy it as it is to the usb stick?? |
| 22:27 | <abrotman> | lenny? |
| 22:27 | <tpo> | btw I'm following those instructions as per instructions of dpkg :) |
| 22:27 | <tester> | Question regarding log facility, I need to find LESS of my dhcp servers logs in my syslog its current logging facility is set to "log-facility local7;" is there a way to change that number and get these damn dhcp requests out of my syslogs? |
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| 22:29 | <tester> | I mean local7 can I change that number and get those god damn dhcpserver logs out of my syslog that way? |
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| 22:30 | <tester> | nvm, I figure it out, log-facility local3 for errors only |
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| 22:31 | <RayzrShrp> | anybody tell me what avahi-deamon is? |
| 22:31 | <abrotman> | RayzrShrp: apt-cache show avahi-daemon |
| 22:31 | <RayzrShrp> | lol |
| 22:31 | <RayzrShrp> | fair enough |
| 22:32 | <tpo> | can anyone help? I'm trying to install kmuto's squeeze image 0315 and dpkg told me to follow these instructions http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 so I've zcat-ed the boot-amd64-0315.img.gz file into a USB stick... now what? Do I just copy the ISO image as it is into the usb stick or do I cat the iso image? |
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| 22:32 | <RayzrShrp> | abrotman: E: no packages found |
| 22:32 | <abrotman> | wait .. |
| 22:32 | <abrotman> | RayzrShrp: spell it correctly |
| 22:32 | <abrotman> | tpo: you got the wrong imag ei think |
| 22:33 | <tpo> | abrotman: what is the correct image then? |
| 22:33 | <RayzrShrp> | ah multicast DNS |
| 22:33 | <tpo> | abrotman: I'm downloading from here: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 22:33 | <abrotman> | tpo: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/backports/squeeze/squeeze-custom-amd64-0315.iso |
| 22:34 | <abrotman> | tpo: btw .. the bot says to only follow those instructions if you're using lenny |
| 22:34 | <tpo> | abrotman: I've already downloaded and cat-ed them into my usb stick, but it doesn't boot |
| 22:34 | <abrotman> | tpo: you downloaded a different fie |
| 22:34 | <abrotman> | file |
| 22:34 | <tester> | hay RayxrShrp, just ignore the airmon-ng warning about avahi |
| 22:34 | <tester> | :P |
| 22:34 | <tpo> | abrotman: the bot says I use the lenny instructions for usb installing |
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| 22:35 | <tpo> | so that's what I did |
| 22:35 | <abrotman> | tpo: no, it doesn't |
| 22:35 | <abrotman> | For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 22:35 | <abrotman> | bah, it lies |
| 22:35 | <abrotman> | tpo: get the ISO i linked above .. cat it to the usb stick |
| 22:35 | <RayzrShrp> | tester: i don't have those errors |
| 22:35 | <tester> | k |
| 22:35 | <tpo> | abrotman: I have, but it didn't boot |
| 22:35 | <RayzrShrp> | just have an invalid response error |
| 22:35 | <abrotman> | tpo: so none of the media boots, bu tthe squeeze ISO works ? |
| 22:36 | <tpo> | abrotman: how can I know that? |
| 22:36 | <tester> | I wonder if my power supply is failing, and thats why the box cant mount the disks, they are dissapearing in the bios too |
| 22:36 | <abrotman> | tpo: didn't you try another installer? |
| 22:36 | <tester> | even tho the disks test fine on another machine |
| 22:37 | <RayzrShrp> | maybe the drive is failing |
| 22:37 | <abrotman> | tpo: you jumped straight to the kmuto installre? |
| 22:37 | <tpo> | abrotman: I've tried squeeze-live from the debian repos and wheezy-live also and they worked... well, they booted |
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| 22:37 | <abrotman> | tpo: which version of Debian are you trying to end up with? |
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| 22:38 | <tpo> | abrotman: not quite; I'm using kmuto because my eth and wireless don't work on squeeze; they work on wheezy but my screen doesn't. This is all I see after wheezy boots: http://picpaste.com/DSCF4287-4eUaQ1Bo.JPG |
| 22:38 | <sney> | buggy framebuffer driver |
| 22:39 | <abrotman> | tpo: nvidia? ati? |
| 22:39 | <sney> | depending on hardware it can be an easy fix |
| 22:39 | <tpo> | Not even in recovery mode can I see a console, just a pattern similar to that one |
| 22:39 | <tpo> | abrotman: radeon |
| 22:39 | <abrotman> | tpo: did you try disabling hte fb? |
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| 22:39 | <tpo> | abrotman: disabling what? |
| 22:40 | <abrotman> | framebuffer |
| 22:40 | <tpo> | what's that? |
| 22:40 | <abrotman> | when does the screen go wonky? |
| 22:40 | <abrotman> | when it boots, or when X starts? |
| 22:40 | <tpo> | just after it boots |
| 22:40 | <abrotman> | !tell tpo about fb |
| 22:41 | <tpo> | I can see the GRUB menu and then a few lines (the usual lines of debian booting) and then those patterns |
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| 22:42 | <tpo> | abrotman: when I said lines I was refering to lines of code, not actual "lines" |
| 22:42 | <abrotman> | okay, doesn't change what i'd try |
| 22:42 | <RayzrShrp> | so if im getting errors about inavlid response packets for avahi in logs is that an issue |
| 22:42 | <tpo> | abrotman what would you try? |
| 22:42 | <RayzrShrp> | the ip is my gw for the vmware nat |
| 22:43 | <abrotman> | tpo: what the bot told you about ... |
| 22:44 | <tpo> | abrotman: right... so how do I do that? disabling the fb I mean... |
| 22:44 | <abrotman> | tpo: in the grub menu |
| 22:46 | <sney> | or just boot with the installer, go to rescue mode, make your way to /etc/modprobe.d/ and drop 'blacklist radeon' in a new file |
| 22:46 | <sney> | regenerate your initramfs, reboot, and boom, no more artifacts |
| 22:46 | <tpo> | abrotman: Well it's late for that, I tried installing squeeze and erased my wheezy installation :/ |
| 22:47 | <abrotman> | i bet |
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| 22:49 | <tpo> | okay so back to kmuto iso and img.gz files, any ideas of how to make those work with a usb stick??? |
| 22:49 | <RayzrShrp> | what is this kmuto thing |
| 22:50 | <tpo> | what I'm trying to do is instsalling kmuto's squeeze 0315 to make my ethernet and wireless cards work, |
| 22:51 | * | abrotman would fix wheezy, not mess with kmuto |
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| 22:51 | <tpo> | !tell RayzrShrp about kmuto |
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| 22:51 | <sney> | I agree with abrotman, especially since you did get the wheezy installer to boot |
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| 22:52 | <tpo> | sney: so I should install wheezy again? |
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| 22:53 | <sney> | yeah, especially since if you have a problem with radeon on wheezy you'll probably also have it with squeeze with a 3.2 kernel |
| 22:54 | <tester> | Ok,, guise, anyone whos been following my bawwing about my dissapearing hard disks |
| 22:54 | <tester> | I think I have the cause of the problem, I recently changed the motherboard from intel to AMD, and I think its pulling too much power from the PSU to power 5 hard disks |
| 22:54 | <tester> | which is why my hard disks are just dropping |
| 22:55 | <RayzrShrp> | plausable |
| 22:55 | <RayzrShrp> | disconnect some drivers |
| 22:55 | <tester> | yeah its an old Athlon XP 2400 and its a 200watt PSU |
| 22:55 | <tester> | the p4 was apparently able to handle it for 1 year with 5 disks, but I swapped the board for some reason, but AMD pulled more power than intel so |
| 22:55 | <tester> | lol @200 watt my fellow miscreants |
| 22:56 | <RayzrShrp> | so trying to install debian with a newer kernal |
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| 22:58 | <tpo> | Okay I friend lent me his DVD-RW and I burned the kmuto iso on a CD... it's installing now |
| 22:59 | <tpo> | sney: do you think the problems with my screen will also appear with this kmuto install? If so, is it possible to do whatever abrotman suggested with squeeze? It should be right? It's an option passed to GRUB... |
| 22:59 | <sney> | tpo: well, yeah, you can try that |
| 23:00 | <sney> | tpo: framebuffer drivers are part of the kernel. so when you use a 3.2 kernel, regardless of which debian version, you're getting the radeon framebuffer driver from a 3.2 kernel. it's unlikely that there'd be any difference |
| 23:00 | <tpo> | So let's say my screen f*cks up again and I can pass the option to GRUB so it doesn't load X... what then? |
| 23:01 | <simonlnu> | plus any patches applied to the relevant source files |
| 23:01 | <simonlnu> | (if any) |
| 23:01 | <sney> | tpo: it's nothing to do with X. |
| 23:01 | <tpo> | sney: so what does it have to do with, then? :) |
| 23:01 | <sney> | console framebuffer! modern linux OSes use hardware rendering for the console, not just X11 |
| 23:02 | <sney> | anyway, what video hardware do you have? is it a fairly recent radeon? |
| 23:02 | <tpo> | sney: 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Wrestler [Radeon HD 6320] [1002:9806] this is my video hardware according to lspci -nn |
| 23:03 | <sney> | tpo: in that case the proprietary driver is your best option, considering radeon's problem |
| 23:03 | <tpo> | but let's say that I can boot without framebuffer... what do I do in order to fix my problem?? |
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| 23:03 | <sney> | which problem? the networking? those will probably be fixed out of the box by the stuff included with kmuot |
| 23:03 | <sney> | kmuto* |
| 23:04 | <tpo> | sney: not the networking, the screen |
| 23:04 | <simonlnu> | probably the debian fglrx stuff |
| 23:04 | <simonlnu> | or radeonhd on squeeze |
| 23:04 | <sney> | if you boot without the framebuffer, your screen will look fairly normal. you blacklist radeon and install the fglrx (proprietary) driver that I just mentioned. boom, everything works |
| 23:06 | <tpo> | okay... now, here's the deal: the installer asks me what kernel I should install. My options are: linux-image-2.6-amd64, linux-image-3.2.0.bpo.1-amd64 and linux-image-amd64 |
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| 23:06 | <tpo> | yeah, I've seen about the fglrx... do you guys think it'll do the trick?? |
| 23:07 | <sney> | tpo: the middle option is the one you're looking for with kmuto |
| 23:07 | <tpo> | sney: good pooint.. here goes nothing |
| 23:07 | <sney> | fglrx doesn't do a console framebuffer and it still supports the radeon 6xxx series, so yeah, should be great |
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| 23:08 | <tpo> | okay, now here's an interesting question from installer: what drivers are to be included on initrd?? |
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| 23:08 | <tpo> | my options are generic (all available) and targeted (only include drivers needed for this system)... can you guide me through this please?? :) |
| 23:09 | <tpo> | damn! I just pressed enter... my elbow slipped... I don't know which option was selected :/ |
| 23:10 | <sney> | I usually go generic in case of hardware failure so I can boot the drive in another system with minimal headache |
| 23:10 | <sney> | but really, either option is fine |
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| 23:12 | <hdb2> | so the iptables script on the wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/iptables) starts with *filter, but I can't find any reference to that in the man page. can someone tell me what that line in the script does, or point me to what to look for? |
| 23:12 | <tpo> | should I enable the volatile updates??? |
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| 23:15 | <tpo> | Hello? Should I enable volatile updates?? |
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| 23:18 | <sney> | !volatile |
| 23:18 | <dpkg> | Debian Volatile was a project aiming at keeping Debian releases up-to-date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It was replaced by the <stable-updates> suite as of Debian 6.0. http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2012/msg00000.html |
| 23:18 | <sney> | tpo: the answer is "if you want to" |
| 23:18 | <tpo> | sney: I like your style mate! :) |
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| 23:19 | <tpo> | Okay, so I'm in expert mode with ethernet connection (plus one to this installation). Can I choose the fglrx package for installation on this mode? |
| 23:19 | <sney> | tpo: no, the non-free stuff gets installed later |
| 23:20 | <tpo> | well sh*t hehe |
| 23:20 | <sney> | if you skip the "desktop environment" task it'll be easier (don't worry you can select it again later) |
| 23:21 | <tpo> | right, I'll do that... no DE for the moment :) |
| 23:22 | <tpo> | sney: are you a developer? just curious :) |
| 23:22 | <sney> | ha, no, just an old timer. I've been using debian since 2000. |
| 23:22 | <sney> | maybe I will be a developer some day, after I learn to program |
| 23:22 | <hdb2> | answering my own question: *filter refers to the table that the rules apply to :) |
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| 23:26 | <tpo> | hehe so another non-programmer here... I've been trying to learn programming for years, I even ventured into computing engineering... but nay, it was not for me! |
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| 23:35 | <tpo> | okay, finishing the instalation... fingers crossed |
| 23:37 | <tpo> | sney: as you said, the screen doesn't work |
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| 23:38 | <sney> | tpo: I'm off for the night, I'd advise you to blacklist radeon and then follow the instructions I'm about to have the bot send you. |
| 23:39 | <sney> | dpkg: tell tpo about fglrx dkms |
| 23:39 | <tpo> | sney just before you go: how can I turn off fb? |
| 23:40 | <tpo> | I know I must parse the option "fb=false"... but where? In the GRUB options? |
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| 23:41 | <sney> | yeah, when your grub menu shows up you can hit 'e' to change the entry. put it at the end of the line that starts with 'linux' |
| 23:42 | <tpo> | right!... wait just a minute yes? to see if I can see anything by passing that option :) |
| 23:42 | <sney> | alright brb |
| 23:43 | <tpo> | no commas right? |
| 23:44 | <tpo> | okey the line reads: linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 root=UUID=<id of the hard drive> fb=false |
| 23:45 | <sney> | ding ding |
| 23:45 | <tpo> | oops it says "ro single" before fb=false |
| 23:45 | <tpo> | okay so I just boot, right? |
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| 23:47 | <sney> | give it a shot |
| 23:47 | <tpo> | well, no luck... the stereogram is still there |
| 23:47 | <sney> | yeah, I wasn't sure the fb=false thing would work in an installed system. I really think you should boot the installer in rescue mode and blacklist it the normal way |
| 23:48 | <tpo> | how do I blacklist it? |
| 23:48 | <tpo> | what file? |
| 23:49 | <retrospectacus> | tpo: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 23:49 | <sney> | create a new text file in /etc/modprobe.d/ (call it radeon-blacklist.conf so it's easy to remember) and put "blacklist radeon" in it |
| 23:49 | <sney> | or do it that way |
| 23:49 | <sney> | it doesn't really matter where in modprobe.d it is so long as it's in one of the .conf files |
| 23:49 | <sney> | (now retrospectacus is here so I'm going) |
| 23:50 | <tpo> | haha okay sney... g'nite! and thanks mate!!! |
| 23:50 | <retrospectacus> | sney: aahh! I though you'd left :) have a good night |
| 23:50 | <tpo> | retrospectacus: right but I'm on the installer on rescue mode |
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| 23:52 | <retrospectacus> | installer? ... go on. i'm going to read up some |
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| 23:53 | <tpo> | yeah, sney said I should boot the installer in rescue mode and "blacklist it the normal way"... but I don't know what that means... |
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