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---Logopened Thu Nov 15 00:00:07 2012
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00:00<sney>ooh, you're right, it does
00:00<sney>that'll need to be updated
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00:01<mcoffin>And, unfortunately, the newer kernel headers either aren't in a package, or don't follow the same naming scheme
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00:03<mcoffin>any idea what the new package is named?
00:03<mcoffin>I mean it has to exist if the kerne running in wheezy is 3.2
00:03<sney>linux-headers-`uname -m`
00:04<sney>they dropped the 2.6 since upstream did too
00:06<mcoffin>sney: Ok well uname -m yields x86_64 instead of amd64 so that package didn't exist, but I tried installing linux-headers-amd64 and it said it was already installed and up do date even though when buildilng the nvidia module it said that the source for the kernel wasn't installed? I don't have to install the full kernel source do i?
00:07<sney>they keep moving this shit around on me.
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00:07<sney>no, you don't need to install the full kernel source. you just need the headers for your current kernel. apt-cache search linux-headers and pick the right one from the list
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00:11<mcoffin>Well fuck. My kernel is 3.2.0-3-amd64, but the only packages there are for 3.2.0-4-amd64... I tried installing it hoping that far down the version number just wouldn't matter, but no such luck. the module looks for those very specific headers when trying to do its build
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00:13<SamB>mcoffin: why not just upgrade?
00:14<mcoffin>Well I'm out of time for tonight. Didnt' really expect installing a desktop environment to be more difficult than getting libgo working with vxworks threads, but whatever. Thanks for the help sney seriously. You were really nice. I'll probably end up reinstalling since its just a dev machine and I can push all code up to remote repos first
00:14<mcoffin>SamB: Prolly gonna do that, but theres very little guaruntee that even when I get the nvidia driver going that GNOME 3 will work
00:14<mcoffin>so I'm just giong to come back to it tomorrow.
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00:15<mcoffin>Again, thanks for the help everyone, you've been really kind
00:15<SamB>I dropped GNOME around when GNOME 2 hit testing ;-P
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00:23<givealittle>yeah, so no one here seemed to know how to fix it, so I just wrote a simple script. If anyone cares here it is:
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00:37<sbarreros_>Hello all, Is there a way that a user can connect to my ssh server from a workstation and then I would like to use that connection to somehow connect back to the workstation?
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00:41<cthuluh>sbarreros_: see the -R ssh(1) option
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01:23<R4nge>Hey, Could someone assist me with setting up a OpenVPN server?
01:23<R4nge>I've failed about 10 times.
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01:26<R4nge>I can't seem to connect to it from my windows machine.
01:26<R4nge> (sorry if i can't post urls) this is the tutorial i've found the clearest
01:27<R4nge>followed it exactly, but can't connect.
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02:04<mmgc84>hola robots x|
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02:50<Takis_GR>why if i not enter nomodeset in grub my pc freeze after some minutes???
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02:53<ompaul>Takis_GR: I'll guess you have nvidia - their cards are not designed in a way that works well with X so you need to run that setting, it forces something that the kernel wants to do out of the kernels hands so to speak a quick google of nomodeset will give you plenty of reading material
02:54<jm_>if his pastes yesterday were correct, then it wasn't nvidia
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02:55<ompaul>jm_: same answer it has to do with the kernel and video timings 99.5% is
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03:23<StefanM>has anyone had these issues with apt-cacher in debian squeeze?
03:23<StefanM>I found an old bug report but nothing recent.
03:23<StefanM>it's a brand new cache
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03:23<StefanM>if it became corrupt then it happened at the first caching.
03:25<StefanM>$ md5sum Sources.bz2
03:25<StefanM>2383e901b2d90867d86d21888a8648eb Sources.bz2
03:25<StefanM>if I do a manual get
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03:29<Saeptor>I get similar errors occasionally with apt-cacher-ng. Usually updating the cache a few hours later resolves that issue :S
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03:31<porno>ola puta
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03:32<Saeptor>I think the chosen package-mirror sometimes isn't synchronized with the mirror(s) the header files are downloaded from.
03:32<Saeptor>But that's speculation!
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03:41<StefanM>it's been going on for over 10 hours now.
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03:41<StefanM>I will try to purge the cache or something. start over.
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03:51<wardhan>hi all. good afternoon. what is squeeze-updates ?
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04:04<StefanM>tried clearing the /var/cache/apt-cacher/* dirs and restarting apt-cacher daemon but still same bzip error.
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04:07<StefanM>I removed a danish mirror and now it works
04:07<StefanM>must have been the issue
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04:07<StefanM>in path_map that is
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05:52<dough>what do i need to do to enable sound after installing lxde?
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05:57<voidness>install alsa or pulse-audio, dough
05:58<dough>oh, i was hoping thats pulled in automagically
05:59<voidness>enter- which alsamixer
05:59<voidness>to see if its already there
05:59<voidness>your right it should be
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06:00<dough>maybe just not the mixer, lets see
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06:03<dough>and there is no alsaconf and nothing
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06:04<voidness>then go for installing alsamixer alsa-utils
06:04<voidness>or if you prever pulseaudio
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06:04<dough>these packages do not exist anymore
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06:04<schueler38>alles klar
06:05<voidness>try an
06:05<voidness>apt-cache search alsamixer
06:05<voidness>im pretty sure its somewhere there ;)
06:05<schueler38>was willst du
06:05<schueler40>ka... was er will
06:05<schueler40>sonen vogel
06:06<schueler38>willst du mich veraschen
06:06<schueler37>wer wen ?
06:07<dough>voidness, installing "pavucontrol" and raising the volume fixed it
06:07<schueler38>ich meine schueler 40
06:07<schueler40>who is voidness and the other guys?!
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06:08<schueler38>was willst du eigentlich
06:08<schueler40>nix von dor!
06:08<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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06:23<jren207>Hello all, I've searched as much as I can but I'm not sure what to do next. I'm trying to get an Atheros AR9382 wireless card to connect at 802.11N speeds via WPA2 using the Ath9k driver, iw, and wpa_supplicant in Wheezy. It currently only seems to connect to an N AP at G speeds. I've tried nl80211 as well as wext but it's still the same. I've pasted some information here: http://paste.debian
06:23<jren207>.net/209387/. All help, (or pointers to where I can find specific help) would be appreciated.
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06:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:32<odderon>anyone savy with doxygen and have a minute?
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06:33<perlwizard>do you need help with a specific problem or are you just doing a survey odderon
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06:33<odderon>well, it is a specific doxygen problem
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06:33<perlwizard>then !ask
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06:35<odderon>so, documenting a simple C++ project; the generated output from doxygen seems to omit the entire body of all of the member functions in the source. I do not expect this.
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06:41<odderon>does anyone know the doxyfile config. option to add the function source to the documneted output?
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06:41<Lad_>Salut tout le monde
06:42<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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06:43<jm_>odderon: this is on doxygen front page, no idea if it helps -- It can also include the sources directly into the documentation by setting INLINE_SOURCES to YES (this can be handy for code reviews for instance).
06:44<jm_>actually it's on the "configure" link page
06:44<odderon>jm: thanks! I had mis-spelled the option; now it shows the source exactly as expected.
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06:44<jm_>odderon: no worries
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06:54<StefanM>I'm trying to import my own debs into an apt-cacher cache but I can't get them to show up on the clients that use the apt-cacher. they are in /var/cache/apt-cacher/packages after running but doing apt-get update and apt-cache search on any of the clients does not show the new packages.
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06:54<StefanM>I can only install them manually right now.
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08:33<cthuluh>oops :)
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08:42<Voodoo>ciao a tutti
08:43<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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09:39<houms>good day all this morning I am trying to run an apt-get update i get
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09:43<MrFrood>houms: would it not of just been easier to say you cannot conect to when running apt?
09:44<OdyX>houms: you seem to have a broken ipv6 connectivity
09:44<houms>how can I disable ipv6?
09:44<OdyX>houms: and a broken DNS too
09:45<houms>i do not see a problem with dns
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09:45<OdyX>I do: "Could not resolve ''"
09:45<houms>yeah but i can ping without issues
09:46<OdyX>ping ftp:DOT:us ?
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09:49<houms>plus i just upgraded virtualbox from the vbox repo and that did not seem to be an issue either
09:49<OdyX>hrm. Temporary net failure ? aptitude update ?
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09:55<houms>Odyx i think you are write
09:55<houms>now it works
09:55<houms>very odd
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09:55<houms>when you say temp. net failure are you referring to network card or the network i am on itself?
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09:59<OdyX>houms: your network it seems
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10:06<houms>thanks OdyX I will have to look into it
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10:07<houms>i am wondering if ipv6 somehow is turned on at the dhcp server
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10:33<ziguy>Hi, my first time here, this is the place where i can get help regard a Dell Studio laption wlan issue? (network controller: Intel WiFi Link 5300". lshw -c network states: unclaimed?
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10:37<perlwizard>ziguy are you using nonfree firmware ?
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10:38<ziguy>not at all
10:39<blast007>ziguy: the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package provides firmware for the 5000 series chips, and it is in non-free
10:40<perlwizard>what he said ^
10:40<perlwizard>you need to perform steps described in
10:40<perlwizard>to get your hardware to work
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10:41<ziguy>while searching the et i've notices this but i cee my dist - debian has it by default, maybe i can link the hardware to the driver somehow? sorry i'm sort of a newbie
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10:42<blast007>ziguy: what version of Debian are you using?
10:42<perlwizard>ziguy can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file
10:42<piero>hello newbie here.... after all the complicated things i had to go through i now understand debian isn't for us (before i thought "universal" included us newbies too).... the thing is i solved almost everything i needed to have working but one thing.... so i thought it might be quicker to solve this than to restart a new installation..... i need help with playing dvds.... i followed instructions on
10:42<piero>MultimediaCodecs , did everything and still dvds are not playing.... can somebody help me please?
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10:43<SynrG>piero: do you have libdvdcss2 installed?
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10:44<piero>thank you SynrG.... yes, i have libdvdcss2 installed (just like it said on that wiki page)
10:45<perlwizard>you can keep it in channel ziguy
10:45<perlwizard> > dcc chat
10:45<perlwizard>are you even serious.
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10:45<SynrG>piero: as for your general complaint that debian is not for newbies, i wouldn't say so, otherwise nobody would use debian (all new users of debian are, by definition, "newbies", and there is a learning curve)
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10:45<ziguy>6.0.6, kernel 3.2. sources.list is the default+backports
10:46<SynrG>piero: so, what program are you using to try to play a DVD, and what happens?
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10:47<piero>no matter the learning curve..... nor my grandmother, nor my mother will ever be able to use it......
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10:48<tester>* debhelper has kicked perlwizard from #debian (flood) <---- I lol'd
10:48<piero>program is vlc.... nothing happens..... i press play and nothing happens....
10:48<tester>I get libdvdcss from waterloo repository
10:48<SynrG>piero: i have noted that some DVDs (some very popular disney titles included) are so heavily copy-protected, they fail to play entirely
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10:48<tester>then you should ask for a refund and burn them
10:49<tester>go to the piratebay and download a copy
10:49<SynrG>piero: try another disk?
10:50<tester>the war on sharing is unethical and unsustainable, sharing is not criminal, sharing is to be human.
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10:50<SynrG>piero: also, are you sure you have used vlc correctly, that is Media > Open Disc > Play ?
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10:51<piero>no i tried just one dvd..... ok i will now try with another dvd...... yes i used vlc correctly..... be back in 5 mins
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10:58<perlwizard>looks like i'm not the only one who's having a bad network today
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11:01<ziguy>oops. i ran out of disk space. going to do some maintenance here. thanks perlwizard.
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11:02<ziguy>i wish i knew the secret debian command to add a couple of gigs
11:02<SynrG>perlwizard: you broke the internet!
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11:02<perlwizard>apparently :|
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11:06<ziguy>perlwizard: thank you, thank you, thank you!
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11:12<ziguy>can you tell how is it that i had to install the firmware-iwlwifi? b4 dl it, the lsmod display the iwlwifi driver
11:13<piero>perlwizard & others trying to help me: thank you, don't mean to ignore you, just not fast enough to follow all.... i will follow SynrG for the moment.....
11:13<piero>SynrG: tried with other dvd and still not working.... tried also opening it with Movie Player and i get "An error occurred Could not read from resource." ... as per your parents, i guess they are way more advanced than mine :)
11:14<SynrG>ziguy: a driver is not a firmware. they are two different things.
11:14<perlwizard>ziguy that wifi card of yours needs a non-free blob of software to function
11:14<perlwizard>non-free things are not included in debian by default
11:14<SynrG>ziguy: the driver is software that runs on debian. the firmware is code loaded into the card itself.
11:14<SynrG>so while debian includes the driver because it is free. the code running on the card is not
11:16<SynrG>piero: DVDs are hard on linux. this is no fault of linux itself, but of the industry which insists on making it hard.
11:16<ziguy>so, while installing the firmware i just upgraded the card's firmware? like you do in some dvd players?
11:16<SynrG>piero: the industry believes that the only way to make sure they make great fistsful of money is to make the consumer suffer.
11:17<simonlnu>that's going to end eventually
11:18<SynrG>piero: do you have only one optical drive in that system or more than one?
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11:18<SynrG>piero: use and show the output of: ls -l /dev/dvd*
11:19<ziguy>in other words: if i format the disk and reinstall debian, i won't be needed to reinstall the firmware?
11:19<perlwizard>you would.
11:19<perlwizard>it's loaded at boot time
11:19<perlwizard>by kernel, into the hardware
11:19<SynrG>you would indeed. the software is not retained in the card forever. it doesn't get flashed
11:19<SynrG>it gets loaded into volatile memory in the card
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11:20<piero>but my friend (same level or perhaps even more newbie than me) with linux mint does not have these difficulties..... i want to use debian because it's better (ethically speaking) but i'm having a hard time to proceed with it....
11:21*perlwizard something something vlc something
11:21<SynrG>piero: the level of difficulty you're having is not typical.
11:21<SynrG>so let's just try to sort out what the issue is and all will be well
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11:24<piero>only one optical drive..... ok i will give you another example of the complications i encountered..... i followed instructions here to install libreoffice..... didnt work either.....
11:25<SynrG>piero: can we stick to one topic at a time, please? i have no doubt you have had all the difficulties you have had.
11:26<piero>after several hours (it took me to understand) i solved the problem..... it was a permissions problem.... i had installed as root and normal user could not use the program..... i mean these things are probably very easy issues for people like you but they make waste a lot of time to newbies (and grandmothers..)....
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11:27<piero>ok sorry.... thought of giving you other examples.....
11:27<SynrG>piero: uh, i can't imagine what you mean by "installed as root and normal user could not use the program". that absolutely cannot happen unless you did something else wrong.
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11:27<SynrG>but now we're getting diverted from solving the dvd issue
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11:27<SynrG>i have limited time to help
11:28<SynrG>let's make the best use of it, ok?
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11:28<piero>what should i try?
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11:30<SynrG>piero: i want to see the output of these three commands: 1. ls -l /dev/dvd* 2. ls -lL /dev/dvd* 3. groups
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11:31<SynrG>piero: also 4. dmesg | grep -i dvd
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11:32<SynrG>piero: oh, and please use for all of that
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11:37<piero>SynrG sorry it's the first time i use XChat.... how do i use
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11:38<piero>it's not too long.... maybe i can paste it here.....
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11:38<odderon>can anyone recommend something to convert latex source to html?
11:38<SynrG>piero: it is a website. you visit it with your web browser, you paste the material and submit it. you report the URL of the paste back here
11:38<SynrG>we then read it
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11:40<stderr>odderon: Quick search: latex2html - LaTeX to HTML translator
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11:40<stderr>But I haven't tried it.
11:41<piero>here it is
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11:41<stderr>odderon: There's also tex4ht and tth.
11:41<odderon>thanks stderr: I did try it but I've seem much better looking output
11:41<stderr>Haven't tried those either. :-)
11:42<odderon>latex2html I mean
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11:42<odderon>stderr: thanks, yeah I think tth might be prettier..
11:42<SynrG>piero: k, looking. sec, busy at work :)
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11:43<piero>ok no prob.... i have time......
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11:43<stderr>odderon: Personally I would prefer to use LaTeX for PDF and PS files and use "real" HTML for HTML.
11:44<SynrG>piero: that all looks fine. in vlc when you do Media > Open disc, tell me what it says in the "Disk device" field.
11:44<odderon>stderr: yeah, but I have a 200 page thesis of which two sub-sections are what most people would want to see...
11:45<odderon>so .ps is a bit too coarsely grained..
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11:46<SynrG>when you press play, does the drive light blink or the drive make sound?
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11:50<piero>both... makes sound and blinks (just once)
11:50<piero>light blinks just once i mean
11:50<SynrG>piero: try playing the dvd with this command. when finished, exit vlc and upload vlc.log at
11:50<SynrG>vlc dvd:///dev/dvd >vlc.log 2>&1
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11:51<piero>quick question.... is there a way to copy from XChat? right mouse click does not work, control-c also does not work.....
11:52<SynrG>select the thing to copy with the mouse, then leaving it selected, move to the other window, middle-click to paste
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11:53<perlwizard>or apt-get install nopaste and then nopaste vlc.log
11:53<SynrG>that's not xchat-specific. that's universal for X. xchat may have a copy-and-paste facility of its own using the paste buffer instead of the selection region
11:54<SynrG>but i'm not an xchat user, so i couldn't say
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11:57<odderon>thanks stderr
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12:00<stderr>odderon: No problem. I only did an apt-cache search.
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12:00<piero>ok done....
12:01<SynrG>piero: that all looks reasonable to me, except mine reports:
12:01<SynrG>libdvdnav: DVD disk reports itself with Region mask 0x00fe0000. Regions: 1
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12:02<SynrG>i take it you're not in north america
12:02<piero>i am in italy
12:02<SynrG>so you have a region 1 disc in a region 1 drive, then
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12:03<SynrG>(unless you have a "region-free" drive)
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12:03<SynrG>it's possible there were errors emitted in /var/log/syslog ...
12:04<piero>was it a question?
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12:06<SynrG>just pondering. no, probably more likely to dmesg
12:06<SynrG>please "dmesg |grep sr0" and the results
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12:09<josefig_>hey, does anybody wanna see crazy things on the web? :b
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12:10<SynrG>piero: by the way, two DVDs is not a very large sample size. it's possible both are copy-protected. what are the titles? as I said, Disney is one of the biggest offenders, so something non-disney would be great
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12:10<perlwizard>that doesn't look good
12:11<SynrG>it *is* a region problem
12:11<SynrG>piero: where did you purchase the drive? is it new or used?
12:11<SynrG>the drive is locked to a different region than the disc
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12:12<SynrG>piero: you would have had this problem even with a commodity standalone DVD player that was region-locked to the wrong region. so, definitely not a debian problem.
12:12<SynrG>piero: as i said, the industry hates consumers and inflicts suffering on them in the name of the almighty dollar.
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12:13<SynrG>piero: short answer "your drive cannot play this disc, period"
12:13<SynrG>if you want to play a region-1 disc you must use it in a region-1 drive (or a "region-free" drive)
12:13<perlwizard>apt-get install regionset
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12:14<SynrG>perlwizard: but can't that only be done a few times until it is set that way forever?
12:14<perlwizard>only one way to find out
12:15<stderr>piero: Got any pr0n DVDs? I have heard they're often region-free.
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12:17<retrospectacus>hi chepe263_
12:18<chepe263_>Is there someone here who can help me setting up enlightment?
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12:19<retrospectacus>chepe263_: maybe, just ask your question. there is also irc://
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12:19<SynrG>piero: so, what perlwizard said, you can actually set the region of your drive using the regionset utility, but you *must* read /usr/share/doc/regionset/README and heed what it says about limited number of region changes on a drive!
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12:19<chepe263_>there's noboy at #e
12:20<simonlnu>not this network, on freenode
12:20<retrospectacus>chepe263_: there are 177 people there
12:20<chepe263_>nobody answers me
12:20<SynrG>piero: the limit to # of changes is crazily small, just *5* changes and then your drive is locked to that region forever.
12:20<simonlnu>so you wait until someone answers you
12:21<chepe263_>I installed debian with no graphical enviroment and then i installed enlightment with "apt-get install e17"
12:21<retrospectacus>chepe263_: well you can ask here, if you're using debian. You should just wait (maybe many hours) and someone may answer
12:21<chepe263_>now i have no idea how to start enlightment
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12:21<chepe263_>It's armel debian
12:21<simonlnu>SynrG: is there a "region-free" setting? :)
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12:22<simonlnu>echo enlightenment >> ~/.xsession
12:22<piero>i tried a third dvd and still nothing....
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12:23<SynrG>piero: did you read all of the discussion above about region mismatch? did you understand it?
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12:24<piero>pr0n dvd? i don't understand stderr
12:25<piero>ahah.... no i don't have one at hand :)
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12:25<piero>SynrG i read discussion but....
12:25<retrospectacus>chepe263_: what simonlnu said, then run "startx" or install a DM. Or read the e17 docs/website for recommended ways
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12:26<simonlnu>i guess not. meh.
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12:28<piero>it's not that problem i think.....
12:28<SynrG>piero: the movie industry has conspired with lawmakers to line their own pockets by making legislation supporting technology to ensure they can sell DVDs to specific regions and not worry about (presumed) "black market" trade across borders. so your DVD drive is locked to only read discs from a specific region, apparently not the region for the DVDs that you have on-hand.
12:29<SynrG>piero: your paste clearly shows that it is
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12:29<SynrG> at line 6 and throughout the rest of the log
12:29<SynrG>sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Media region code is mismatched to logical unit region
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12:29<piero>can you tell me where please?
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12:30<SynrG>that's why i asked where you got the drive (a question you never answered)
12:30<SynrG>is it a new drive? used? have you played discs on it before from a different region than the one you live in?
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12:31<piero>sorry... i didn't get the drive.... it's the one inside my laptop.... laptop is italia....
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12:32<SynrG>so do you have DVDs in your collection that are not from Europe?
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12:32<piero>laptop is italian... yes i tried already.... that is why i said i don't think that is the problem.....
12:32<piero>i tried american dvd and italian dvd.... both dont work....
12:33*simonlnu blinks
12:33<retrospectacus>piero: it says right in your paste, that *is* the problem. what else could it be?
12:33<blast007>SynrG: is there a way to view the current region code of the DVD drive hardware?
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12:33<SynrG>blast007: i'm trying to find that out
12:33<blast007>could then be compared to the region code on the DVD case
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12:34<perlwizard>do regionset /dev/dvd
12:34<perlwizard>it will tell you the status
12:34<SynrG>when it asks you to change the region, say "n"
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12:35<SynrG>hm, mine says:
12:35<piero>says regionset command not found
12:35<SynrG>drive plays discs from region(s):, mask=0xFF
12:35<SynrG>piero: as we said much further up, "apt-get install regionset"
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12:36<SamB>SynrG: ouch
12:37<SamB>or does that mean "all of them"?
12:37<SynrG>SamB: ouch? i think 0xFF is good?
12:37<SynrG>but the README further explains that some DVDs refuse to play unless you've set the region on the drive
12:38<piero>one question: is there a difference if i do it as root or if i do sudo ? still not clear to me.....
12:38<stderr>I can't remember ever setting the region on any of my DVD-drives and I can rip both region 1 and 2. Maybe I'm just lucky.
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12:39<blast007>"libdvdcss doesn't require the region of your drive to be set"
12:39<SamB>hmm, I'm not sure if that actually depends on the drive region
12:39<SynrG>blast007: that may be the case, but vlc sure is complaining about region mismatch
12:39<SamB>it might be the region that the DVD player software acts according to
12:40<SynrG>piero: the README claims you need to be root but i found you can just say /usr/sbin/regionset as an ordinary user and at least view the status
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12:40<SamB>SynrG: likely it depends on the device node permissions
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12:40<SamB>(and on what you try to do?)
12:41<piero>no i mean to do apt-get.... is it exactly the same thing if i do it as root or if i do sudo?
12:41<SynrG>yes, cdrom group has rw
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12:41<SynrG>piero: doing it as root or doing it with sudo is the same.
12:41<SamB>piero: it might possibly read different preferences files
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12:41<perlwizard>^ why I never buy dvd anymore
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12:42<Calinou>^ why I never buy "content" nor download it
12:42<Calinou>(not even illegally)
12:42<Calinou>real content is free
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12:43<SynrG>so you would not watch humans land on mars if the only "content" you could get was licensed to a TV network?
12:43*SynrG boggles
12:43<Calinou>it is free, and it's at the TV
12:43<SynrG>it's decidedly not free
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12:43<Calinou>talking about price here
12:43<SynrG>not Free, in any case
12:44<perlwizard>I'm ok with paying for stuff, as long as it doesn't enforce stupid things on me
12:44<perlwizard>like DRM
12:44<engla>we'd watch the russian restream
12:44<perlwizard>or similar
12:44<SynrG>anyway, very OT -> #debian-offtopic :)
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12:45<perlwizard>how's it going, piero
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12:45<SynrG>piero seems to be on the end of a very long pipeline, probably limited by typing speed, network bandwidth, etc. :)
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12:45<piero>installed regionset but still says command not found.... maybe i need to restart computer?
12:45<SynrG>no ...
12:46<SynrG>it is not in your path as an ordinary user
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12:46<SynrG>it is intended to be run as root (but as i said, probably can be run as ordinary user)
12:46<perlwizard>I'd be surprised if ordinary user can send that kind of ioctl
12:46<SynrG>was fine for me
12:47<SynrG>and running it as root gave exactly the same results
12:48<SynrG>drive plays discs from region(s): 1, mask=0xFE
12:48<SynrG>so your drive is locked to North America region
12:49<SynrG>now, you said you had a disc from North America. would you please retest using the same logging as before?
12:49<piero>but i tried american dvd already
12:49<piero>ok i try again
12:49<SynrG>maybe a different problem?
12:49<SynrG>as i said, copy-protection can screw you up too
12:49<blast007>might want to verify the region number listed on the DVD case as well
12:49<SynrG>so can a scratch
12:49<SynrG>so can not seating the disc properly
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12:50<piero>i dont see dvd region number.... where is it?
12:52<perlwizard>it was in vlc log
12:52<perlwizard>libdvdnav: DVD disk reports itself with Region mask 0x00fd0000. Regions: 2
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12:53<blast007>piero: most of the back covers I'm seeing show it in the bottom left corner. number is within a globe.
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12:57<piero>maybe dvd i tried is british not american.... so maybe i am wrong and you are right that is the problem..... i will try now changing the region to see if it works.......
12:57<SamB>piero: I wouldn't do that ...
12:57<sagpatke_>Hi! I'm trying to create an apt-cache-ng proxy server on a virtual machine, and I'm trying to use it in debian-installer. I've provided "" when asked for Debian Archive mirror hostname, and / when asked for Debian archive mirror directory, with no proxy. I've also tried to give a regular debian mirror with apt-cache-ng's proxy. neither seems to work.
12:58<SamB>piero: because you can only do it so many times?
12:58<piero>in any case almost all my dvds are european
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12:59<piero>SynrG still here?
12:59<SamB>I would instead ask where to get libdvdcss2
12:59<sagpatke_>Is it designed to work this way? or do I have alternatives for what I'm trying to accomplish?
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12:59<piero>but i installed that already
13:00<stderr>If you want to compile it yourself, is working for me.
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13:01<blast007>he's using libdvdcss 1.2.10
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13:01<piero>i did what they said here
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13:02<stderr>blast007: In that case, he would get a newer version at the same time.
13:02<SynrG>piero: got called away to a work discussion
13:02<blast007>1.2.11 does mention it has more probust key retrieval and improved RPC-2 handling, so yeah, probably worth a try
13:03<piero>SynrG ok no prob.... even if we dont solve it, thank you you helped me a lot.....
13:04<SynrG>piero: did we get a paste of what regionset outputs?
13:04<EmleyMoor>Anyone familiar with sflphone on Debian? On my desktop, sflphoned crashes with this backtrace:
13:04<stderr>In short: region 1.
13:04<piero>just wanted to apologize for before.... i didn't mean to go in a place of debian-lovers and throw out complaints about debian.... my intention was just to make my newbie voice heard so that the community starts thinking more about us..... i just think it's a pity that there isn't a gnulinux distro that satisfies the following: (1) ETHICAL (2) BIG and (3) BEGINNER FRIENDLY.... debian seems the best placed to fill that void
13:04<piero>..... it just needs to work on number 3.....
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13:05<piero>oh so you are not going away SynrG?
13:05<SynrG>ah, right, i did see that
13:06<stderr>piero: Very little Debian can do, when the DVD-makers are idiots.
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13:06<SynrG>so if you are intending to play region 2 DVDs on this drive, yes, i would use regionset (as root) to set it to region 2 (make very sure first this is what you want to do because of the limited number of times you can change it!)
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13:06<piero>yes but even if this dvd problem is not the fault of debian, still there were many other things that i found overly complicated for a beginner....
13:07<SynrG>piero: ... which we can address one at a time
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13:07<SynrG>piero: but tell me what community support is as attentive to details and as helpful as this one?
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13:07<stderr>I would try a newer version of libdvdcss2 before changing the region of the drive.
13:07<piero>so i proceed with changing region?
13:07<blast007>the 'unstable' deb-multimedia repo has the new libdvdcss2 1.2.12 version. so updating the system to wheezy could be one option, I suppose. the other option is as stderr said and just compiling it manually.
13:07<SynrG>piero: i doubt if you would find so many eager and knowledgable helpers in the windows community
13:08<perlwizard>"windows community"
13:08<perlwizard>say what
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13:08<stderr>piero: I got a libdvdcss2_1.2.12-1_i386.deb for Squeezy, if you want it.
13:08<piero>it's true this support is awesome..... are you paid or not for this?
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13:08<SynrG>such as it is :)
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13:08<SynrG>no, i am not
13:08<stderr>Got one for amd64 too, if needed.
13:09<perlwizard>we're all volunteers, piero
13:09<sagpatke_>Hi! I'm trying to create an apt-cache-ng proxy server on a virtual machine, and I'm trying to use it in debian-installer. I've provided "" when asked for Debian Archive mirror hostname, and / when asked for Debian archive mirror directory, with no proxy. I've also tried to give a regular debian mirror with apt-cache-ng's proxy. neither seems to work.
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13:09<dpkg>Debian 6.0 <stable> is codenamed <squeeze>. The current <testing> distribution, which will be released as Debian 7.0, is codenamed <wheezy>. There is no "squeezy" or "wheeze".
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13:10<ziguy>hi there. i managed to destroy my debian. i can boot to recovery console but the regular boot takes me to a blank screen (so cursor at all). tried reinstalling xorg, gdm but...
13:10<perlwizard>I think wheeze sounds pretty cool.
13:10<stderr>Oops, sorry... Been installing wheezy a bit too much (if that's possible) lately. :-)
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13:10<piero>i suspected it..... you people are very very nice then.....
13:10<SynrG>ziguy: so, what were you doing leading up to the destruction?
13:11<perlwizard>ziguy what kind of desktop environment did you try to install
13:11<stderr>piero: Are you on i386, amd64 or something else? Do you want a libdvd2 1.2.12 .deb?
13:11*SamB wishes Debian could carry libdvdcss ...
13:11*stderr too...
13:12<SynrG>piero: i guess you should listen to stderr as he seems to know something about this that i don't
13:12<SamB>too bad they dropped non-US, huh?
13:12<stderr>SynrG: HA!!! :-)
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13:12<SynrG>SamB: eh? non-US was due to now obsolete legislation dealing with US-specific export restrictions on crypto
13:12<SynrG>SamB: those restrictions have been written out of the lawbooks
13:12<SynrG>hence, no need anymore
13:13<ziguy>b4 that i remove virtualbox packages and maybe some dependencies related to xserver
13:13<perlwizard>why would you remove xserver dependencies
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13:14<piero>to respond to previous comment..... dont worry i will never go back to windows...... for me it's debian or mint (hopefully debian...).....
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13:14<piero>ok stderr... one minute.....
13:15<SamB>SynrG: isn't libdvdcss considered a circumvention device in the US, and therefore illegal to distribute under the DMCA (though the legality of such a law is questionable)?
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13:16<SynrG>SamB: would've been unsuitable even for non-US, as i understand it
13:16<SynrG>DMCA is a whole different issue not related to the US crypto laws
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13:18<SamB>(note that I don't mean to condemn the entire DMCA here; I think the safe harbor provisions are actually a good idea, though they lack spam/troll filtering ...)
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13:20<stderr>One minute came... and went... I'm going to make some dinner now.
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13:20<piero>stderr i think it's i486
13:21<piero>i wasn't sure how to get that information
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13:21<retrospectacus>uname -a
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13:22<SynrG>piero: fact is, installing an operating system is easy except when it's hard. and all OSes have places where they fall down. when they do fall down, debian has user support unparalleled anywhere, in my opinion. so do stick with us with your remaining issues and i hope we will make you a happy user with a slightly different view on whether debian is kind to "newbies". :)
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13:23<piero>but on sysinfo it says GCC version 4.4.5 (i486-linux-gnu)... so i dont know.....
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13:24<SamB>why does make deb-multimedia sound so scary?
13:24<piero>SynrG.... because of how greatly supported i was here i already decided that i'll keep trying moving forward with debian.... :)
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13:25<stderr>Please note that the .deb was only made for myself to see how easy it was to make a .deb and because I wanted a newer version of libdvdcss2. If something breaks, you get to keep the parts, but that's all.
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13:26<piero>but what do i have i686 or i486?
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13:27<stderr>piero: It's the same .deb file.
13:28<piero>ok but just out of curiosity why do uname and sysinfo say different things?
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13:31<SamB>piero: because your CPU has more features than a 486?
13:31<SamB>or possibly because your kernel uses them?
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13:32<ziguy>sorry, got disconnected. some1 answered me in the last minutes?
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13:33<ziguy>last msg i saw was mine about me removing virtualbox's packages
13:33<retrospectacus>ziguy, no
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13:33<ziguy>thank you. anyone take the challenge?
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13:34<piero>DVD WORKS!! DVD WORKS!!!
13:34<retrospectacus>ziguy: your debian is "destroyed"?
13:35<retrospectacus>dpkg: congratulate piero
13:35<dpkg>Woohoo piero, you did it!
13:35<SynrG>piero: awesome :)
13:35<piero>no you guys did it! :)
13:35<SynrG>and thanks to stderr
13:35<SynrG>well, i wouldn't have hit upon stderr's solution on my own, that's for sure
13:35<ziguy>well, for now... hope you can change this, i believe it can be changed
13:35<SynrG>another case of the "crowd is smarter than any one individual"
13:35<piero>GRAZIE MILLE! (italian for "a thousand thanks")
13:35<SynrG>this is why community support rocks
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13:36<stderr>Great! I'll put my .deb's offline again.
13:36<stderr>No problem.
13:36<retrospectacus>ziguy: what's the current status
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13:37<david>hello all... What is this xchat all about?
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13:37<ziguy>i'm in recovery mode. regular mode stuck in a black screen with no cursor, b4 starting x server
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13:38<ziguy>david, this room will probably save ur life if you have any debian related issue
13:38<dpkg>sav_: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a !
13:39<piero>ok guys so i thought to return the favor maybe there's some issue you're having with which i could help..... hahaha :)
13:39<retrospectacus>ziguy: can you install pastebinit and do "apt-cache policy |pastebinit"
13:39<piero>i guess offer of computer help from a newbie isn't very desirable...... :)
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13:40<david>oh ok cool... i am currently running pinguy which seems very stable... and very user friendly, also running mint kde which i have found to be very visually amuzing
13:40<david>good luck guys and thank you once again... ^_^
13:40<piero>but maybe someone is planning a vacation to italy some time....? (before the country goes bankrupt and we'll be like a jungle soon)
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13:41<ziguy>1 second. i've got network issue in recovery mode. fixing it.
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13:46<SynrG>piero: first, helping, and seeing the users pleased at the result is its own reward. second, lurk and learn. someday someone will ask something you happen to know the answer to. meanwhile, just soak it up :)
13:46<SynrG>piero: re your country reverting to jungle ... i hope not!
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13:47<ziguy>i've got: "this api has been disabled"
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13:48<piero>is there a room like this in italian?
13:48<retrospectacus>ziguy: you have that where
13:48<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
13:48<ziguy>apt-cache policy |pastebinit
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13:49<piero>well the jungle has its good sides..... :)
13:50<retrospectacus>ziguy: apt-cache policy |pastebinit -b
13:51<piero>ok thanks..... but maybe if an italian speaks english he's better off coming here, true? i suppose the italian room is much smaller?
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13:51<retrospectacus>piero, yes I'd agree
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13:55<retrospectacus>ziguy: does "apt-get -f install" have any problems to report, or do anything at all?
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13:56<ziguy>no problem with apt-get
13:56<luisxp>hola a todos
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13:57<retrospectacus>ziguy: alright, pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
13:57<retrospectacus>ziguy: also what kernel(s) have you got installed?
13:58<joseph-soares>I tried to install a windows program using wine and it showed me a message and say me to do this: "sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install wine-bin:i386" will it affect only wine or others programs too?
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13:59<retrospectacus>ziguy: that's all? squeeze came with 2.6.32 - when did you install 3.2 from backports?
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14:00<piero>just a curiousity (problem has been solved already): in the page i mentioned before ( ) in the dvd playback section at the ubuntu-method it says ".... go to debian/scripts ..."..... where is that debian/scripts? i spent hours looking for that bast*rd..... :)
14:00<perlwizard>where can I download a pre-installed virtualbox image of 64bit debian 6 stable ?
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14:01<retrospectacus>piero: should be inside the unpacked source package of libdvdread4 from ubuntu, I guess
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14:02<joseph-soares>when I try install wine 32, it show this:
14:03<joseph-soares>Will it remove my 64 programs or it will work well after installation of wine 32?
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14:04<ziguy>retrospectacus: i installed 3.2 yesterday from the backports.
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14:05<piero>i don't think it was there.... i searched both with the search tool and then manually..... i couldn't find it...... that's why i then proceeded with the other "risky" method..... why is it risky anyways?
14:06<ziguy>retrospectacus: i think i did some other faul regard some xserver-xorg-input-e* package
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14:07<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell piero about why not dmm
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14:08<retrospectacus>ziguy: was it upon installing kernel 3.2 that X stopped working? Can you choose the old kernel in grub and see if it works? Is this the whole Xorg log?
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14:09<SynrG>piero, stderr: i have requested to DMO that they provide a proper package:
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14:10<SynrG>piero: if-and-when they provide one, you should reinstall it. that way, at least you get support from DMO if you have issues. otherwise all you have is stderr for support
14:11<SynrG>(and as kind as it was of him, he's only one guy :)
14:11<SamB>piero: the question is actually *when* is debian/scripts
14:11<SynrG>arguably, DMO is "only one guy" too, but at least there's a community there
14:11<SynrG>so you're in a better place for future support
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14:13<SamB>piero: judging by debian/changelog, it's in version 0.9.6-4 of the libdvdread source package
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14:13<ziguy>the issue got nothing to do with the kernel. i worked a lot after the upgrade, did some restarts and removed the old kernel... the problem i was trying to fix b4 was the sensetivity of the laptop's touchpad. so i installed an xserver-xorg-input-* package, while removing the old xserver-xorg-input-* package
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14:14<retrospectacus>ziguy: ok, well you can read /var/log/dpkg.log to see what you removed/added, and try reversing the situation
14:15<SynrG>ziguy: well, to some extent it does relate to the kernel, due to a migration in later releases away from device-specific drivers and towards evdev, i think
14:15<SynrG>and there is, of course, a corresponding change in xorg to evdev
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14:15<SynrG>ziguy: i'm only just catching up. is this squeeze + kernel backport? or wheezy/sid?
14:16<piero>SamB... yes that is probably it.... but then this means they made a mistake on the official debian pages?
14:16<retrospectacus>he's on squeeze with bpo kernel 3.2 and fglrx SynrG
14:16<SynrG>fglrx, ugggh
14:16<piero>what is DMO?
14:16*SynrG backs away slowly
14:17<SynrG>piero: sorry, *they* call themselves dmo. here we call them dmm
14:17<dpkg>[dmm] (formerly is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See or ask me about <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>.
14:17<SamB>dpkg: tell me about why not dmm
14:17<SamB>dpkg: tell SamB about why not dmm
14:18<SynrG>(confusing, as the dpkg 'dmo' factoid pertains to '' which is something entirely different :)
14:18<SamB>!why not dmm
14:18<dpkg>The repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of squeeze this was mostly not true and for wheezy this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>.
14:18<SamB>piero: wiki is not very official ;-)
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14:19<SamB>some pages are more official than others, etc
14:19<SynrG>SamB: for the query to yourself, use a private query. also, why did you repeat in public what you just privately had dpkg send to piero?
14:20<SamB>SynrG: I didn't do that!
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14:20<SamB>also I seem a bit lagged somehow ...
14:20<SynrG>oops, er, not to piero but to yourself, twice
14:21<SynrG>!tell SamB about msg the bout
14:21<SynrG>!tell SamB about msg the bot
14:21<retrospectacus>ziguy: where you at
14:22<ziguy>about the xorg log. yes it's all there. regard the dpkg log, when i try to pastebin it, i recieve as output is it possible that the log is to big?
14:22<ziguy>hmm. yes it is. when i use tail it's ok, hold on pls
14:23<SynrG>SamB: i.e. as a helper, for convenience, i leave a query to dpkg open in another window for ready reference. we encourage helpers to do that to verify they have the right factoid before firing them off to those being helped.
14:23<ziguy>how ca i configure tail to output # of lines?
14:23<SynrG>tail -n #
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14:24<SamB>SynrG: yeah, <msg the bot> mentioned that
14:24<retrospectacus>tail -n100 dpkg.log
14:25<SamB>so, how do I do <dmm pinning> with sudo?
14:25<SamB>!dmm pinning
14:25<dpkg>To ensure that you only get the packages you really want from, «echo -e 'Package: *\nPin: origin ""\nPin-Priority: 101' > /etc/apt/preferences.d/dmm». Check this worked with «apt-cache policy» or «apt-cache policy $package». Ask me about <why not dmm>.
14:25<SynrG>SamB: ah, sorry for being redundantly repetitive :)
14:25<retrospectacus>SamB: sudo $EDITOR /etc/apt/preferences.d/dmm
14:25<SamB>well, yes, I could obviously do that
14:26<SynrG>SamB: ah, IO redirection is executed in the shell from which you typed it. to get around this, you can put the whole thing inside sh -c 'sudo blahblah > somewhere'
14:26<SynrG>or what i usually resort to is just sudo -i
14:26<SynrG>then do whatever i need, then exit out
14:26<retrospectacus>sudo -c 'echo blah >> file' would work?
14:27<SynrG>retrospectacus: yes, that's better than my way
14:27<ziguy>wow, pastebinit is just great.
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14:28<retrospectacus>very handy in your situation for sure
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14:29<retrospectacus>ziguy: 2012-11-15 21:01:29 status installed xserver-xorg 1:7.5+8+squeeze1
14:29<retrospectacus>ziguy: did X work after that?
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14:29<ziguy>is there any log i can see when the computer reboot succussfuly?
14:30<ziguy>no, it was a try to fix this problem
14:31<piero>ok bye bye and thank you again everybody..... i'll end with a beautiful quote to keep in mind always and valid in all sectors (not just computer)..... "seeing the users pleased at the result is its own reward" - SynrG
14:31<SynrG>bye, and you're very welcome.
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14:33<siddy>no matter which debian edition I install, I have iceweasel using up tons of cpu and memory
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14:34<retrospectacus>siddy: on what website(s)
14:34<siddy>cpu 50% and ram 40%
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14:34<siddy>just when I have lots of tabs open
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14:34<siddy>but other ppl say they do the same but it doesn't use up
14:34<retrospectacus>well, yeah. all those pixels are in memory and all that JS and flash code is running
14:36<siddy>73 tabs
14:36<retrospectacus>ziguy: can you re-paste Xorg.0.log - this one ends prematurely, I am fairly certain
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14:36<ziguy>if think that the culprit resides at line 167 (untill 600:))
14:36<SynrG>siddy: it's not so much the number of tabs as what's running in them
14:36<retrospectacus>siddy: and it surprises you that uses 40% of your ram???
14:36<SynrG>siddy: also, any third-party extensions can really inflate those numbers
14:36<siddy>SynrG, that makes sense... but, I didn't think it's a lot of stress on the system
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14:37<SynrG>siddy: to reduce that stress, use flashblock. that will probably cut it down quite a bit
14:37<siddy>I only have one extension.... it's a bookmarks extension
14:38<ziguy>already checked. this is what i've got. anyway i save a backup of Xorg.conf and this neither worked.
14:38<retrospectacus>siddy: what version of iceweasel?
14:38<siddy>retrospectacus, yes, I am still surprised
14:38<siddy>people brag about only using 1 - 10% of memory and they claim they have a lot of tabs open
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14:38<SynrG>siddy: sure. i could have 120 tabs open to and it would do very little
14:38<retrospectacus>it depends an enormous amount on *which* sites they are
14:39<SynrG>but if there's JS and/or Flash actively running in even a dozen tabs, that will seriously impact on CPU and memory usage
14:39<SynrG>so comparing "number of tabs open" is pointless
14:39<siddy>is there a way to check that?
14:39<retrospectacus>adblock, flashblock, noscript will help
14:39<SynrG>yep, what retrospectacus said
14:39<siddy>I usually have adblock
14:39<siddy>there's so many now... which do you recommend?
14:39<SynrG>all three
14:40<siddy>I mean ver. of adblock
14:40<siddy>there's like five or more called 'adblock'
14:40<SynrG>beyond the scope of this channel. read the reviews and pick what you like
14:40<SynrG>i think debian may even include one
14:41<SynrG>that way it gets installed system-wide and if you have issues, you can report thru bts instead of having to rely on outside help
14:41<SynrG>similarly there are xul-ext-noscript and xul-ext-flashblock
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14:43<retrospectacus>ziguy: well I don't see any errors there. I can only recommend re-trying the directions from "/msg dpkg fglrx dkms" with "apt-get -t squeeze-backports" for all installation commands
14:43<ziguy>it's hard to believe that the virtualbox packages have something to do with my problem, right? the debian runs on a usb stick, not anymore as a virtual machine.
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14:44<ziguy>retrospectacus: what does it mean? what should i do exactly?
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14:45<retrospectacus>type "/msg dpkg fglrx dkms" into this chat. Then read what the robot dpkg says to you
14:45<retrospectacus>says in another tab or window
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14:46<ziguy>but i'm not chating from the problematic laptop right now
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14:47<ziguy>what package let my login here via tty?
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14:50<retrospectacus>ziguy: irssi is the CLI irc client I recommend
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14:50<retrospectacus>apt-get install irssi && irssi -c
14:51<retrospectacus>I think you need to join #debian before dpkg will talk to you
14:51<ziguy>here i've got : "wish i knew" :) what is he looking for?
14:52<retrospectacus>but I don't see that it'll make much difference
14:52<retrospectacus>say fglrx dkms to him
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14:53<ziguy>*installing irssi on the laptop
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14:59<ziguy>guys, the debian is comletely unfunctionable right now. i'm sorry and much appretiate ur time.
15:00<ziguy>have a nice day/evening/night, whatever is the time in ur place
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15:01<ziguy>thanks again.
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15:18<beatsteaks>how can I enable /etc/resolv.conf.tail ?
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15:39<crypticmofo>anyone using aptiude from cli
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15:39<crypticmofo>if so have some questions
15:39<crypticmofo>if i do this aptitude search ~n~d i know that is name and description
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15:39<crypticmofo>how do i do this in syntacs format
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15:51<simonlnu>sin tax? syntax?
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15:51<saep>if you like searching so much, try google, it has more results :o
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15:53<main>Is there any one who would like to maintain packaging for a distro ?
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15:58<retrospectacus>main: this channel is support for debian users.
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16:04<main>retrospectacus, what is the channel for debian packaging ?
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16:06<debdog>main: IIRC it is #debian-mentors
16:06<main>debdog, ok thx
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16:07<melli>hay algien
16:07<melli>porfa me decis algo
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16:08<wall>Question : How can i find the location of a intruder within WEP/WPA/WPA2 network ?
16:08<Brigo>alguien habrá.
16:08<wall> i got his/her MAC
16:08<wall>he/she got my key
16:08<wall> and i donot authorised to sniff the LAN activities
16:09<retrospectacus>change the password, and do not use WEP
16:09<retrospectacus>there's no easy way to physically locate them
16:10<wall>tanx retrospectaus
16:10<dpkg>Wired Equivalent Privacy (WEP) is the utterly useless level of wireless encryption (about as secure as rot13) available prior to WPA. Ask me about <wpa>.
16:12<wall>retrospectaus : this is a forensic analysis test about WEP or other algorithm to decrypt via aircrack-ng tools and etc
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16:13<wall>i am trying to learn about the investigating and locating the intruders.
16:14<abrotman>wall: try #wireless on freenode
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16:16<wall>retrospectaus : i cant figure out
16:16<wall>retrospectaus: what is this?
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16:17<Fetch>wall: erm anyway, what retrospectacus was saying is that there is no easy way to locate 802.11 clients
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16:18<wall>Fetch: tanx but what is the hard way? :-P
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16:19<retrospectacus>wall: go ask the channel abrotman said. This is Debian support.
16:21<wall>retrospectaus: thank you. tyt
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16:32<mino> /load .xchat2/
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16:43<mino> /EXEC rm -vf /home/mino/.xchat2/buduscript/tmp/budus_XDCC_3239.query
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16:44<retrospectacus>mino: stop that
16:44<simonlnu>mino: um, you need to remove the preceding whitespace ...
16:45<retrospectacus>luckyuser: hi. Just ask your debian question if you have one
16:45<simonlnu>learning how to use your client would help ;)
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16:46<ing>Ach das da von M$
16:46<ing>d'oh, wrong window :/
16:46<luckyuser>i install system SempliceBeta_3
16:46<luckyuser>48% and stoping
16:47<simonlnu>luckyuser: ok, and what is this? is this debian software (from a debian repo)?
16:47<simonlnu>*official* repo
16:47<luckyuser>Semplice Debian
16:48<luckyuser>u russian?
16:48<simonlnu>yes, what is it?
16:48<luckyuser>understud russian?
16:48<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
16:49<dpkg>somebody said semplice was and is not supported in #debian
16:51<simonlnu>Yet Another Debian Derivative
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17:01<robert>Hi! All
17:01<retrospectacus>hello, robert!
17:01<robert>I have just installed UBUNTU Studio. Itz feeling great.
17:02<retrospectacus>robert: that's nice but this channel is for debian only.
17:02<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc robert
17:02<dpkg>robert: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
17:02<Fetch>also, it's*
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17:17<lord_rob>how comes so many people using ubuntu come to #debian ?
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17:26<engla>I think the ubuntu channels are very crowded, so it's hard to be heard
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17:32<SamB>lord_rob: maybe because they heard Debian was more advanced, too
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17:34<simonlnu>used to be that their xchat packages was set exactly the same as the debian ones (little or no changes), so for a long time they would pop up in #debian
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17:39<brunoramos>Hello, I'm having problems with bluetooth in my laptop. Well problems is not really the right word, because apparently the device is not detected correctly. Could someone point me in the right direction? Already installed the package bluetooth and blueman, the command line tool rfcomm gives not output. And hcitool returns no device...
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17:41<lord_rob>I rather think that irc clients are configured to join by default so ppl come here because ubutu haven't changed that
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17:42<simonlnu>that was the case yes
17:43<buffoon>Hi, I have a lot of packages installed locally (after removing a repo) and would like to force replace every local installed package by the version of the package available in the repository
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17:48<brunoramos>Here's what I get from the lsusb command: Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0a5c:4500 Broadcom Corp. BCM2046B1 USB 2.0 Hub (part of BCM2046 Bluetooth)
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17:50<retrospectacus>!tell buffoon about obsolete
17:51<brunoramos>Is there any way to check if bluetooth is enabled in the BIOS directly from my running Debian installation?
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17:53<retrospectacus>brunoramos: there might be a button or "fn-F4" or something like that to press, then see
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17:56<brunoramos>retrospectacus, rfkill does not list bluetooth in the output. I see the wireless card but nothing there. I guess I have to reboot to check my BIOS. I already followed all the instruction that are in the wiki. I'll reboot, brb...
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17:57<nighthawk>anyone can help with a compiling problem?
17:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
17:58<dpkg>cillippo: vedi
17:58<nighthawk>I am running into a DBUS_libs and cflags and I am not sure what to do with it.
17:58<nighthawk>I am running squeeze right now
17:59<retrospectacus>nighthawk: - show us. What are you compiling?
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18:00<nighthawk> and I am compiling a new network manager version 0.9.4 something
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18:01<retrospectacus>!tell nighthawk about package recompile
18:01<retrospectacus>!tell nighthawk about simple sid backport
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18:02<nighthawk>!tell nighthawk about package recompile
18:03<nighthawk>apparently it has nothing to say to me.. booo
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18:03<retrospectacus>nighthawk: dpkg sent you messages in another window/tab
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18:05<nighthawk>yeah figured that one out.. I am in the proccess now.. Used to the bots that hit ya in the room apoligies
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18:06<nighthawk>I just switched to debian after dealing with ubuntu.. and i guess I didn't have everything installed..
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18:07<retrospectacus>nighthawk: what's wrong with NM 0.8.4 from backports?
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18:08<nighthawk>!retospectacus I have been having some issues with it dropping networks and such. I am in the process of installing a firewall program on another machine but the network manager drops at the weirdest times
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18:10<nighthawk>and that was on ther version
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18:11<nighthawk>I am having firewall issues with firestarter and it wanting to connect I have to disable the firewall to even connect and it is random when it drops.
18:12<retrospectacus>well see !ask above if you want support with any of that
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18:13<nighthawk>great. that will help. but the file isn't compiling same erro no package dbus-1 and the like. and i know that is installed.. maybe specify the path?
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18:14<retrospectacus>nighthawk: did you follow the directions in !ssb ? install build-essential and aptitude build-deps etc.?
18:15<retrospectacus>nighthawk: anyways put your full command and output on
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18:17<nighthawk>well it was way up there past the terminal limit. that is why I didn't do that.
18:17<nighthawk>here let me paste bin what i can capture
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18:19<brunoramos>back... confirmed that bluetooth is enabled in the BIOS, but still no device detected by the kernel maybe the driver is missing :/
18:20<nighthawk> try that that should be all of it.
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18:21<retrospectacus>this is not following the directions from ssb
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18:22<nighthawk>that was the last attempt when the other didn't compile
18:22<nighthawk>and recieving errors when i tried the other way
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18:26<nighthawk>I already have the source. I don't need to download it from debian or any other site so from there but when I compile i get that error
18:26<retrospectacus>nighthawk: well, the end story is NM > 0.8.4 is not possible on squeeze. Consider upgrading to <wheezy> which has 0.9.4
18:27<nighthawk>that is what i was going to do I have the torrents to download and the dvd's to burn them too.
18:27<retrospectacus>that's not really necessary, you can just upgrade
18:27<retrospectacus>yeah. /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy
18:28<retrospectacus>if you want to reinstall, you can use a small netinst image, no need to download DVDs worth
18:28<Fetch>the dist-upgrade is pretty easy, though
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18:29<nighthawk>Yeah that is how I installed this one. it net.. but i will just throw a dist-upgrade and or download the small net install version..
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18:59<jviotti>hi guys! I configured ssh, and created a new user called 'guest' to login. But when invoking ssh to my host, it automatically tried to authenticate as my default user: 'jviotti'. How can I make that every box that tries to connect to mine, is asked for authentication for 'guest' useR?
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19:00<themill>jviotti: the ssh client needs to be told what user to authenticate as
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19:01<super>ssh guest@
19:01<super>substitude 111 for the IP or hostname
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19:39<jason_>could someone help me with a debian squeeze question? Its driving me crazy
19:41<LtL>jason_: you won't know if you don't ask :)
19:43<jason_>Last night I installed vmware, chrome, moved files from desktop to documents, created new folders, etc etc. THis morning I boot up my machine and it's like I never did anything. All programs I installed are gone. Files are back on desktop. Created folders are not there. It's like it did a rollback to the night before or something. This si the fifth time this has happened in the past week.
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19:44<devil_>jason_: sounds like you are working with a live-disk :)
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19:44<jason_>no, I have it installed on a 1tb drive. I didnt even use a live disk to install debian.
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19:45<devil_>well, then this cannot happen
19:45<devil_>at least I see no way
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19:45<jason_>its happening . everyday
19:45<devil_>I would turn around and reinstall.
19:46<devil_>never heard of such a thing and it makes no sense at all
19:46<jason_>I did, this is the third time Ive reinstalled
19:46<devil_>well, that makes no sense, sorry
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19:46<devil_>can you pastebin fdisk -l for a start
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19:49<jason_>Disk /dev/sdc: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes
19:49<jason_>255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders
19:49<jason_>Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
19:49<jason_>Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
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19:51<retrospectacus>also paste "mount" output
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19:52<Serverket>I need some help please
19:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:53<Serverket>I have a problem with a package realted to phyton
19:54<Serverket>I donwloaded a game (zero-k, from spring engine) and I needed to downdoad a package called rapid-spring, for use easy_install <map/mods>
19:54-!-andres is now known as zz_andres
19:54<Serverket>the game didn't work, and I uninstalled almost all, even the python libraries I got for
19:55<Serverket>but that "rapid-spring" is still on my system and It has a annoying folder on my home I can't delete
19:55<jason_>here is the mount :
19:55<devil_>how did you install it?
19:56<retrospectacus>jason_: all looks fine.
19:56<Serverket>sudo easy_install rapid-spring
19:56<Serverket>after get those sudo apt-get install python-dev python-setuptools python-pip
19:56<retrospectacus>Serverket: why not sudo apt-get install rapid-spring
19:56<retrospectacus>what the heck is easy_install
19:56<devil_>never heard of
19:56<Serverket>because it was the command that I saw on the official page
19:56<devil_>its nothing debian anyways
19:56<jason_>this is frustrating
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19:57<devil_>Serverket: what official page?
19:57<jason_>even last night I spent 3 hrs working with vmware/dreamweaver/ firezilla. today they are all gone.
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19:58<retrospectacus>jason_: well, try some simple tests like touch file ; cat file; dmesg|tail ; reboot; cat file
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19:59<retrospectacus>Serverket: anyways what's the problem? Some directory you can't delete? Did you try deleting it as root?
19:59<Serverket>I need to completely erase that thing
20:00<Serverket>I can{t
20:00<retrospectacus>why not?
20:00<Serverket>it says it can't delete it because it's a directory
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20:00<Serverket>and it it inside bin and lib folders on /
20:00<retrospectacus>Serverket: man rm
20:00<LtL>Serverket: rm -rf dir/
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20:00<Serverket>is there any comand for unistalling all?
20:01<Serverket>I don{t want keep nothing
20:01<Serverket>I like my system clean
20:01<retrospectacus>only use aptitude, it makes all this so much easier
20:01<retrospectacus>or apt-get
20:01<Serverket>I did it
20:01<Serverket>but there is no result
20:02<Serverket>it says is not there but it{s there
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20:02<retrospectacus>what says that, and how do you know it is?
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20:03<Serverket>a "build" lock folder on my home and rapid's folders on /usr/local/bin and lib
20:04<Serverket>inside my phyton folder over there
20:04<retrospectacus>that doesn't answer anything
20:04<retrospectacus>I have to leave. Good luck
20:04<Serverket>goodbye ^^
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20:05<devil_>Serverket: dpkg -l | grep rapid-spring
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20:06<Serverket>should that realease something? :s
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20:06<Serverket>it didn't
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20:07<devil_>then dpkg does not know about the file. rm it
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20:07<Serverket>can I?
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20:07<Serverket>I was worry because it is inside phyton libs
20:08<devil>if dpkg does not know about it, it does not care
20:08<jason_>I checked another thing. yesterday I installed 2.6.32-5 via synapric package manager. Today they are uninstalled. any recomendations of another place I could try to find an answer?
20:08<jason_>2.6.32-5 linux kernel headers
20:09<devil>jason_: like I said, it makes no sense. you need to test ans show us results
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20:09<jason_>whats ans
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20:09<devil>jason_: install something with apt (not synaptic) and then check if it's inststalles with dpkg -l | grep <package>
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20:15<devil>also retrospectacus told you some tests to do
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21:00<Serverket>I deleted all of them so far
21:00<Serverket>I used the -force
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21:01<LtL>Serverket: thats what rm -rf does. told you.
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21:02<Serverket>the build file was blocked but I read on rm man
21:02<Serverket>thanks ^^
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21:06<tester>well, some say that rm -rf /* is the magical tool to optimize your file system
21:06<tester>but dont believe everything that someone says
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21:08<Serverket>It's not like delete some dlls on winbugs, delete things on Debian is serious stuff
21:08<themill>tester: please don't even make such suggestions
21:08<LtL>yeah, to be used with caution, 'nix 101
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21:14<tester>^ lol
21:14<abrotman>it's not funny
21:15<Serverket>I have a question about gclib, when I execute this game it says GLIBC_2.15' not found
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21:15<Serverket>why this happen?
21:16<abrotman>because you don't have glibc 2.15 ?
21:17<tester>hmm, this is a mystery
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21:46<plugwash>apt should reject packages whose md5sum (or other secure checksum) don't match the ones in the package lists right?
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22:08<Serverket>I can't install glibc 2.15
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22:10<themill>Serverket: you shouldn't be trying to
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22:14<Serverket>it seems to bpart of a bigger package
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22:15<Serverket>but the program I'm executing doesn't find it
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22:19<plugwash>2.15 is extremely new
22:19<plugwash>where did this program you are trying to run come from?
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22:20<plugwash>ubuntu has 2.15 but i'm not sure i'd reccomend installing the ubuntu packages on a debian system...
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22:41<Serverket>I see
22:41<Serverket>so it's only avaible on ubuntu?
22:42<plugwash>seems that way at the moment
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22:43<themill>or compile it for debian
22:43<Serverket>how I do that?
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22:43<Serverket>you know, I use wine, I'm not ready for that planet
22:44<themill>depends on what "it" is. You've not told us.
22:45<delirium>in general most of the times you "compile" something all you do is. # ./configure; make; make install
22:45<Serverket>you forgot libraries and stuff to make that
22:45<Serverket>I tried before, I broke the system
22:46<delirium>as themill said, it depends on what you are trying to compile
22:46<themill>Serverket: specific questions with real commands and output in a pastebin will always get better answers than vague questions about hypothetical situations
22:46<delirium>It shouldn't break your system, usually you get an error, then apt-get a library, then try again
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22:47<ReAzem>Hello! Quick question, why freeze both wheezy and testing? Couldn't we freeze only testing?
22:47<ReAzem>I mean freeze only wheezy
22:47<Serverket>because it about to be released
22:48<themill>ReAzem: wheezy is testing. testing is just a symlink
22:48<ReAzem>I know the reason of freezing, but I was thinking that wheezy could be separated from testing durign the freeze.
22:49<themill>ReAzem: find another few hundred people to ensure that we can handle 4 releases and not 3 and still actually get a release out...
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22:49<themill>ReAzem: the best approach is to make the freeze as short as possible -- find some release critical bugs to fix.
22:49<ReAzem>themill, Thats a decent answer, thanks haha.
22:50<domain_>who can hack into my linuxbox???
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22:50<ReAzem>domain_, I can, give me IP and root login please.
22:51<domain_>lol... are u kidding me... ip already popped up when i logged in...ur half way there!!!
22:52<themill>domain_: perhaps you were looking for #ubuntu-offtopic on
22:52<Serverket>you know, I was wondering, I'm not new using GNU/Linux but I still have the old definition of hacking, what does that really mean?
22:53<ReAzem>Serverket, In my book, getting unauthorized acces.
22:53<Serverket>don't understand when people say: hack my... happy hacking"
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22:54<Serverket>that's the definition I have but.. well.. maybe is somthing less deep
22:54<ReAzem>Serverket, Maybe dummy computers? I know some website have dummy servers that you can "train" on.
22:54*SamB can't get <dmm pinning> to work ...
22:54<domain_>to "hack away at"
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22:55<themill>SamB: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and your sources.list?
22:57<Serverket>I hav a book about hacking, but it seems I have to know some languages for
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22:57<Serverket>ok, I will
22:58<SamB>themill: and
22:59<themill>SamB: and what do you have in /etc/apt/preferences{,.d/*}
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23:01<Serverket>sorry, I though that about paste was with me
23:01<themill>SamB: btw I don't think your multiple Package: lines are doing what you want them to do
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23:02<SamB>themill: that's quite possible
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23:02<themill>SamB: and I suspect the multiple Pin lines may also be causing apt to ignore that stanza
23:04<themill>SamB: (also, please use a mirror other than ftp.d.o -- is a useful redirector)
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23:06<SamB>... I wish I could get it to read the preferences back to me, as it understands them ...
23:07<themill>SamB: well, that's essentially what "apt-cache policy" does
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23:08<SamB>or, well, that apt-cache policy <package> could give me a blow-by-blow
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23:08*SamB tried -v and it didn't help ...
23:08<themill>but yeah, it'd be nice if the preferences parser would spit errors and warnings rather than silently swallowing/discarding things
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23:10<ryerke>What's the point of RAID 1 if you can't recover a corrupted partition ?
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23:10<ryerke>You should be able to sync using the RAID tools
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23:17<SamB>themill: I thought already picked a mirror based on the resolver's location?
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23:20<themill>SamB: no. security.d.o does, cdn.d.n does (both at the dns level) and http.d.n does (using an http redirect)
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23:22<SamB>then what's going on here:
23:22<SamB>naesten@hydrogen:~/hacking/debian% host -t txt
23:22<SamB> descriptive text "NA view"
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23:23<themill>SamB: bet you still end up with a dutch server though
23:25<SamB>themill: ... true
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23:29<cybes>i can't install any packages as a normal user :( (are you a root ?)
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23:31<SamB>yeah, that's normal
23:31<cybes>is there any way i could install a package without admin permission? as compiling source in any dir that?
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23:32<cybes>the admin's don't allow even to use custom emoticons in pidgin :(
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23:33<SamB>Debian doesn't provide anything special for that
23:34<cybes>any tweaks for installing ircclients?
23:35<SamB>i.e., it's not really any different from on any other distribution
23:37<cybes>is and this channel same? i mean the same irc channel?
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