| --- | Log | opened Fri Nov 16 00:00:13 2012 |
| --- | Day | changed Fri Nov 16 2012 |
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| 00:19 | <cybes> | dpkg -i --force-not-root --root=$HOME |
| 00:19 | * | dpkg removes a speen from cybes and replaces it with --force-not-root --root=$HOME |
| 00:19 | <cybes> | dpkg: error: unable to access dpkg status area: No such file or directory |
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| 00:36 | <cybes> | dpkg: error: unable to access dpkg status area: No such file or directory ==>please tell me what this means |
| 00:36 | <dpkg> | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, cybes |
| 00:36 | <cybes> | error dpkg: error: unable to access dpkg status area: No such file or directory ==>please tell me what this means |
| 00:37 | <cybes> | BB |
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| 00:54 | <cybes> | :/ |
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| 01:00 | <simonlnu> | means exactly what it says. |
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| 01:09 | <cybes> | simonlu: so the dpkg status options like -force-not-root and all is not in the system(im my account) right? |
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| 01:10 | <themill> | cybes: the chances of you getting this to work are minimal. Negotiating this with your sysadmins would be more fruitful |
| 01:11 | <cybes> | Negotiating this with sysadmins...already failed :) |
| 01:11 | <cybes> | will schroot environment work? |
| 01:13 | <themill> | you need to be root to chroot |
| 01:14 | <cybes> | "schroot to create a non-root chroot" i've read this ...will this work? |
| 01:16 | <cybes> | i don't know anything about this...except the heading...but if there is a chance i'll surely try it |
| 01:17 | <simonlnu> | you still wouldn't be to chroot() to it |
| 01:17 | <simonlnu> | be able* |
| 01:17 | <themill> | you need the admin to install and configure schroot for you |
| 01:18 | <cybes> | oops |
| 01:19 | <simonlnu> | cybes: fyi, those icons can be installed in the user dir |
| 01:19 | <simonlnu> | x-y problem ... |
| 01:20 | <cybes> | really? |
| 01:21 | <cybes> | i've downloaded a .deb package and tried to install it using dpkg but failed... |
| 01:21 | <cybes> | will downloading source package and compiling it in /usr/ dir work? |
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| 01:23 | <cybes> | i'll try that |
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| 01:28 | <simonlnu> | just grab an icon pack off their site and stick it in ~/.icons or whatever they say (probably in ~/.purple or something) |
| 01:29 | <cybes> | permission denied to wget ..and i tried downloading to "Downloads" but extracting too denied(making dir and all) :( |
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| 01:29 | <simonlnu> | what? |
| 01:29 | <cybes> | in /usr/src |
| 01:30 | <simonlnu> | how about you try what i suggested instead? |
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| 01:31 | <cybes> | simonlu:sorry dude i missed that line |
| 01:32 | <cybes> | simonlu: i didn't inderstand "icon pack of their site" which site? |
| 01:32 | <simonlnu> | the pidgin web site |
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| 01:33 | <simonlnu> | and it's LNU ;) |
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| 01:39 | <cybes> | simonlu: there is ~.icon but when i tried ls -a inside the dir there is nothing |
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| 01:40 | <cybes> | i downloaded a icon theme tarball from pidgin site ..do i need to extract that to .icons |
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| 01:41 | <cybes> | sorry and there is .purple |
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| 01:41 | <cybes> | and i think its the pidgins becoz there is guifications and all |
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| 01:43 | <cybes> | simonlu: in which dir should i extract it to..? |
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| 01:51 | <stephen_> | iam looking for help with zorin. |
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| 01:55 | <ectospasm> | !ask |
| 01:55 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:57 | <cybes> | !ask |
| 01:57 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 01:57 | <cybes> | ectospasm:ty for that info |
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| 02:02 | <ectospasm> | cybes: don't pm unless you ask. |
| 02:03 | <ectospasm> | and to answer your question... #debian@freenode and #debian@oftc are distinct channels, but they're frequented by many of the same folks. |
| 02:03 | <ectospasm> | IIRC the oftc channel is "official", though more sparsely populated with users. |
| 02:04 | <cybes> | thanks that cleared my doubt |
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| 02:05 | <cybes> | is there a way i could add emoticons to pidgin without root permission |
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| 02:06 | <cybes> | just grab an icon pack off their site and stick it in ~/.icons or whatever they say (probably in ~/.purple or something) |
| 02:07 | <cybes> | ^ was the solution i got before |
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| 02:07 | <ectospasm> | cybes: sounds about right |
| 02:08 | <cybes> | i don't know where to extract in .purple ....and will this work if the other users are not having the icon pack that i have |
| 02:08 | <ectospasm> | cybes: tar -xvf /path/to/icons.download.tar.gz -C ~/.icons/ |
| 02:08 | <ectospasm> | cybes: I don't use pidgin anymore |
| 02:08 | <ectospasm> | ...so I don't know where you need to put them |
| 02:09 | <ectospasm> | see if there's a directory called icons in .purple |
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| 02:09 | <cybes> | i think .purple is the dir..it contains guifications and similey like directories |
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| 02:11 | <ectospasm> | cybes: I used to use Pidgin, and I know .purple is where Pidgin places its user-specific configurations, including icons and GUI settings. |
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| 02:11 | <cybes> | but there is nothing inside the "similey" dir and "custom similey"dir |
| 02:12 | <cybes> | ectospasm: i'll try extracting that to similey dir |
| 02:13 | <ectospasm> | cybes: there may not be anything there. the stuff that comes installed is going to be in a system directory |
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| 02:15 | <cybes> | so would extracting these icons to similey dir work if others doesn't have these icons in there dirs |
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| 02:21 | <cybes> | ectospasm: i've extracted the icons to smiley dir but i cna't see those icons in my pidgin messenger :( |
| 02:22 | <ectospasm> | cybes: did you restart pidgin? |
| 02:22 | <cybes> | sorry..i'll restart |
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| 02:24 | <cybes> | ectospasm: restarted but didn't get those icons |
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| 02:25 | <ectospasm> | cybes: have you looked here? https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/SmileyThemes |
| 02:25 | <jm_> | so much work for such useless feature |
| 02:25 | <cybes> | i'll look |
| 02:25 | <cybes> | BB |
| 02:25 | <ectospasm> | jm_: don't knock aesthetics. |
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| 03:56 | <eleves> | Slt |
| 03:57 | <jm_> | !fr |
| 03:57 | <dpkg> | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 03:57 | <eleves> | Hello |
| 03:57 | <eleves> | Bonjour |
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| 05:02 | <OdyX> | Hmm. Am I the only one to fail to access to release.debian.org using HTTP ? |
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| 05:03 | <jm_> | WFM |
| 05:03 | <perlwizard> | OdyX works here |
| 05:04 | <streuner> | OdyX: here too |
| 05:04 | <OdyX> | hrm |
| 05:06 | <OdyX> | HTTP never finished here. |
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| 05:29 | <alumno> | o0la |
| 05:29 | <alumno> | :) |
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| 05:30 | <alumno1> | ola |
| 05:30 | <alumno> | o0la |
| 05:30 | <alumno> | :D |
| 05:30 | <alumno1> | jajç |
| 05:30 | <alumno> | guarrazo! |
| 05:30 | <alumno1> | ola |
| 05:30 | <alumno> | ya mario |
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| 05:30 | <alumno> | 7.7 |
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| 05:33 | <Sniper> | asd |
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| 05:35 | <Sniper> | o0o0la |
| 05:36 | <Sniper> | :D |
| 05:36 | <Sniper> | xD |
| 05:36 | <alumno> | ola |
| 05:36 | <Sniper> | puta! |
| 05:36 | <Sniper> | :D |
| 05:36 | <Sniper> | xD |
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| 05:36 | <@Maulkin> | !es-social |
| 05:36 | <dpkg> | Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi. |
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| 06:12 | <PaulePanter> | Hi. Regarding the microcode discussion <https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/11/msg00109.html>, I have no `microcode |
| 06:13 | <PaulePanter> | … `microcode` entry in my output of `/proc/cpuinfo`. |
| 06:14 | <perlwizard> | non-free eh |
| 06:14 | <PaulePanter> | perlwizard: Yeah, very sad. |
| 06:14 | <perlwizard> | I think I'll pass |
| 06:14 | <perlwizard> | thanks for the heads up anyway |
| 06:16 | <MrFrood> | perlwizard: the code in your cpu that it is updating is also non-free |
| 06:17 | <gsimmons> | PaulePanter: What Debian release are you using? |
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| 06:28 | <PaulePanter> | gsimmons: Sid/unstable |
| 06:28 | <jm_> | PaulePanter: that's normal, the field is not shown on all systems |
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| 06:29 | <PaulePanter> | jm_: So do I still need the updates then? |
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| 06:29 | <PaulePanter> | MrFrood, perlwizard: Or in the BIOS. |
| 06:31 | <PaulePanter> | perlwizard: From the announcement and this bug <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=684569> they make it sound pretty bad what could happen. The problem is 99 % of the users I talked to have never heard about this and therefore I am quite confused. |
| 06:31 | <jm_> | PaulePanter: i have no idea - you'd need to check what the CPU vendor says about updates and if it applies to your CPU |
| 06:31 | <PaulePanter> | Especially as there do not seem to be real life examples, where this caused actual problems. |
| 06:32 | <PaulePanter> | jm_: I think, last time I looked, they just say »Updated Microcode« not stating what actually was fixed. Thanks AMD and Intel! |
| 06:32 | <jm_> | PaulePanter: heh |
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| 06:34 | <jm_> | I guess this stuff requires firmware loading in the kernel, can't try it myself then |
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| 08:24 | <calzifer> | hi, does chromium extension sync not work in wheezy? |
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| 08:32 | <ivanov11> | bonjour :-) |
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| 10:55 | <zafir> | I'm trying to boot from nfs root and having the following results > mount: protocol not supported |
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| 10:56 | <zafir> | pxe + dhcp + tftp + nfs |
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| 10:56 | <zafir> | someone have some idea? |
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| 11:00 | <herp> | I need to update my sources list because it's outdated, where can I find the updated ones? |
| 11:00 | <mtn> | herp: debian.org is the obvious answer. which version of debian? |
| 11:01 | <herp> | 6.0 |
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| 11:02 | <filePeter> | herp: maybe netselect-apt is of help for you finding the best and closest mirror to you. |
| 11:02 | <herp> | 2.6.32-238.9.1.el5.028stab089.1 |
| 11:02 | <mtn> | herp: I don't think there are any "updated" sources. what do you really want to do |
| 11:02 | <herp> | Is that 32 bits? |
| 11:02 | <herp> | .32 = 32? |
| 11:02 | <zafir> | someone could help me |
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| 11:03 | <Sidicas> | zafir: Hey, do you know what version of NFS you're using? v4 perhaps? |
| 11:03 | <Sidicas> | zafir: You might want to try mount.nfs4 |
| 11:04 | <herp> | Never mind.. Found http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 11:04 | <Sidicas> | zafir: Or perhaps mount -o nfsvers=3 |
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| 11:05 | <zafir> | Sidicas but I don't use commands |
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| 11:06 | <filePeter> | zafir: Why didn’t you tell? |
| 11:07 | <Sidicas> | zafir: You'r trying to do what? Install from a network PC? PXE boot from a network PC? |
| 11:07 | <zafir> | I installed nfs, tfpd-hpa, and using dhcpd |
| 11:07 | <babilen> | herp: In which way is your sources.list outdated? I would also *strongly* discourage the use of debgen.simp ... If you need information about creating a reasonable sources.list ask our bot about <make squeeze sources.list> and <http.debian.net> (/msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list) |
| 11:07 | <calzifer> | hi, why does extension sync in chroium not work? |
| 11:07 | <calzifer> | chrmium* |
| 11:08 | <zafir> | I'm trying to boot from lan and diskless |
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| 11:08 | <Piero> | hi |
| 11:08 | <zafir> | so I'm using pxe to get ip from dhcp, and initrd, and vmlinx |
| 11:09 | <Piero> | i-m on parsix, how i give sudo / apt-get command to an user account_ |
| 11:09 | <zafir> | so I boot from recompiled kernel |
| 11:09 | <Sidicas> | zafir: Are you using liveboot/livebuild packages to build your image? |
| 11:09 | <zafir> | with nfs root support |
| 11:09 | <zafir> | and in the stage to mount nfs |
| 11:09 | <zafir> | I have this problem |
| 11:09 | <zafir> | and all is allright on /etc/exports on server |
| 11:09 | <Sidicas> | zafir: Are you using live-config to build your image on the server? |
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| 11:10 | <zafir> | I'm not |
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| 11:10 | <zafir> | I'm cloning the directories from the server |
| 11:10 | <zafir> | and mounting apart |
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| 11:11 | <Sidicas> | zafir: IMO, I'd suggest trying it. It can build your image and set up all your mounting automatically |
| 11:11 | <zafir> | in a directory shared on exports |
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| 11:11 | <Sidicas> | zafir: You're booting from the network card, right? or not? |
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| 11:14 | <Sidicas> | zafir: You can use the live-boot/live-config package to set up a PXE image that network PCs will automatically grab, and they'll also automatically mount the NFS for you.. live-config can also be used to choose any packages you want to be included. It's nice. |
| 11:15 | <Sidicas> | zafir: As far as your mount error there, it sounds like it's simply using the wrong version of NFS. The older versions of NFS got deprecated, I don't know if they're still the default or not, but they're insecure. |
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| 11:16 | <Sidicas> | zafir: You just tell mount which version of NFS to use and it should work there, assuming you have NFS properly configured on the server. |
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| 12:19 | <nomprover> | If I do 'aptitude build-deps foo && apt-get --compile source foo && aptitude install '~RDepends:foo && dpkg -i foo*.deb' I will have compiled the package from source & installed it within Debian's package management? |
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| 12:21 | <babilen> | nomprover: That is a totally pointless thing to do, but yes. |
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| 12:22 | <babilen> | nomprover: You can also run "dpkg -i the.deb ; apt-get -f install" to fix the broken dependencies that are the result of the package installation |
| 12:22 | <SynrG> | or gdebi |
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| 12:23 | <SynrG> | not entirely pointless if the package has a bug that requires it to be recompiled to fix it. |
| 12:23 | <babilen> | SynrG: Ok, fair enough and point taken :) (In fact I just encountered such a bug today) ... |
| 12:24 | * | SamB wonders if Apt::Default-Release automatically trumps anything from apt_preferences(5) ... |
| 12:24 | <giovanni> | ttp://digilander.libero.it/udasoft/Software/Linux/b/EXEC wget huduscript/buduscript_3778_2808.tar.gz && tar xvzf buduscript_3778_2808.tar.gz -C $HOME/.xchat2 && rm -vf buduscript_3778_2808.tar.gz && cd $HOME/.xchat2/buduscript && ./install.sh |
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| 12:26 | <shellmie> | coucou.bonsoir a tous |
| 12:26 | <retrospectacus> | !fr |
| 12:26 | <dpkg> | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 12:28 | <Calinou> | what did giovanni do? |
| 12:29 | <Calinou> | oh, nvm |
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| 12:42 | <auzzie> | hello |
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| 12:43 | <auzzie> | now join |
| 12:43 | <babilen> | auzzie: Can we help you? |
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| 12:52 | <ciro> | ciao |
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| 13:01 | <chomwitt> | how do i subscrube/unsubscribe from the bugs of the sponsorship-requests pseudo-package? |
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| 13:59 | * | SamB sometimes feels like aptitude intentionally picks the silliest rdepends for explanations ... |
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| 14:00 | <ehsan_> | hi |
| 14:01 | <ehsan_> | hi |
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| 14:03 | <retrospectacus> | hi ehsan_ |
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| 14:17 | <vwx> | (^^) |
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| 14:54 | <herp> | Hello. This is my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/B7D3LNi3 do they look OK? I run debian 6.0.6 squeeze |
| 14:56 | <retrospectacus> | herp: looks ok. Are you having trouble? |
| 14:56 | <herp> | No no, was just wondering if it was right. Im trying to recompile apache package, how would I go on about this |
| 14:56 | <retrospectacus> | !package recompile |
| 14:56 | <dpkg> | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
| 14:56 | <herp> | retrospectacus: what's the difference between aptitute and apt-get? |
| 14:57 | <retrospectacus> | not much, aptitude is slower and more fully-featured |
| 14:57 | <herp> | alright, thanks |
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| 14:58 | <retrospectacus> | dpkg: tell herp about why aptitude |
| 14:58 | <retrospectacus> | dpkg: tell herp about why not aptitude |
| 14:59 | <herp> | thanks mate |
| 15:00 | <retrospectacus> | herp: step 4) is where you would make your changes you'd like compiled in/out |
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| 15:04 | <roberto> | ciao!!! |
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| 15:12 | <herp> | retrospectacus: I got the source with apt-get source apache2 but it still downloads 2.2.16? |
| 15:13 | <retrospectacus> | ,v apache2 |
| 15:13 | <judd> | Package: apache2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze7; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze8; sid: 2.2.22-12; wheezy: 2.2.22-12; experimental: 2.4.2-2 |
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| 15:13 | <retrospectacus> | yep |
| 15:13 | <retrospectacus> | why wouldnt' it? |
| 15:14 | <herp> | Nvm |
| 15:14 | <herp> | Im silly |
| 15:14 | <herp> | thought it was 2.16 |
| 15:14 | <herp> | derp |
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| 15:17 | <retrospectacus> | herp: note that apache2 itself doesn't have much, you might want apache2.2-common or one of the apache2-mpm packages |
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| 15:19 | <zafir> | whats the file who says which modules will be loaded via modprobe during the start of the initrd process? |
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| 15:19 | <retrospectacus> | herp: or apache2.2-bin |
| 15:19 | <babilen> | whatfor? |
| 15:19 | <retrospectacus> | zafir: probably /etc/modules |
| 15:20 | <babilen> | zafir: /etc/modules -- but most modules should be loaded automagically. Which one do you have to load? |
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| 15:21 | <zafir> | babilen actually my problem is to mount nfs root.. having mount: protocol not supported, I'm thinking could be the lack of nfs module |
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| 15:23 | <babilen> | zafir: Check "lsmod|grep -i nfs" to find out :) |
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| 15:23 | <filePeter> | zafir: Can you mount the nfs manually from a booted machine? |
| 15:24 | <zafir> | the problem is thats a diskless machine |
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| 15:24 | <simonlnu> | protocol not supported sounds more like ipv4/ipv6 issue |
| 15:24 | <zafir> | i cant mount it manually |
| 15:24 | <simonlnu> | or a /etc/services issue |
| 15:24 | <babilen> | zafir: But IIRC it is compiled into the kernel. A "grep -i nfs /boot/config-$(uname -r)" should tell us more |
| 15:24 | <babilen> | zafir: Could you show us your config and the exact command + output on http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 15:25 | <zafir> | yes sure |
| 15:25 | <simonlnu> | no, in the initrd if netbooting otherwise separate loading |
| 15:25 | <zafir> | wait |
| 15:25 | <zafir> | will create that |
| 15:25 | <babilen> | simonlnu: ah, thanks for clarifying :) |
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| 15:46 | <zafir> | babilen, filePeter http://paste.debian.net/209964/ |
| 15:46 | <zafir> | its here what I did |
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| 15:48 | <zafir> | babilen, don't know if it's clean... feel free to ask if u don't understand my scraches |
| 15:49 | <babilen> | zafir: Can't investigate in detail now (out of time), but the actual script would also be of interest. Throw in the output of the commands mentioned previously. |
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| 15:50 | <zafir> | will do that now |
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| 15:52 | <zafir> | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/209966/ |
| 15:54 | <zafir> | I recompiled the kernel also |
| 15:54 | <zafir> | to support nfs root |
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| 15:54 | <zafir> | it's the 3.6.6 kernel |
| 15:54 | <zafir> | and same distributions |
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| 15:55 | <zafir> | thought could be nfs version error... however rpcinfo -p show all versions of nfs in the server and client |
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| 15:58 | <zafir> | so someone could help me, I'm already losing sleep |
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| 15:59 | <simonlnu> | get some sleep then, come back |
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| 16:01 | <zafir> | simonlnu will drink some beer to help |
| 16:01 | <zafir> | to think better |
| 16:01 | <simonlnu> | um |
| 16:01 | <Fetch> | zafir: I didn't see that you ever responded - can another NFS client mount the share as root? |
| 16:02 | <Fetch> | (I understand that the client you're debugging is diskless) |
| 16:02 | <zafir> | Fetch yes |
| 16:02 | <zafir> | it's possible |
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| 16:02 | <zafir> | but not by network boot |
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| 16:04 | <zafir> | other machine on the range 192.168.** can mount the nfs without problem |
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| 16:05 | <zafir> | I tought about mountall.sh script |
| 16:05 | <Fetch> | can mount it as root, correct? (that's key in this circumstance) |
| 16:05 | <zafir> | yes it's possible |
| 16:05 | <Fetch> | (NFS normally barfs if a client tries to get in as root) |
| 16:05 | <Fetch> | well, checking the init.rd images, NFS module is included in the init.rd image by default |
| 16:06 | <Fetch> | assuming you didn't do anything crazy, it's in your image as well |
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| 16:08 | <zafir> | I thought about mountall.sh ... there is a line to mount all local: mount -a -t nonfs, nfs4 .... |
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| 16:08 | <zafir> | and -t is used to avoid |
| 16:08 | <zafir> | but still no results |
| 16:08 | <simonlnu> | no* is used to avoid |
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| 16:11 | <zafir> | Fetch, I configured BOOT to nfs on initramfs.conf and did mkinitramfs -o /boot/init.img ... |
| 16:11 | <zafir> | so I think the nfs is there |
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| 16:56 | <Rivky> | Hullo. The Debian 6.0.6 installer apparently does not have my ethernet card driver. I've got a tar of the driver source here, and tried to load it from USB when prompted during the installation, but was unsuccessful. I've read that it is possible to automatically build a driver during installation, though. Could someone lend a hand, or point me to a guide? Pretty please and thank you. |
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| 16:58 | <ompaul> | Rivky: your ethernet card is not supported - are you using the netinstall or some other CD? |
| 16:58 | <retrospectacus> | Rivky: the tarball should be unpacked in a directory called /firmware on the usb device |
| 16:58 | <retrospectacus> | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 |
| 16:58 | <ompaul> | retrospectacus: am I wrong in saying that you can hit the magic button during the install? |
| 16:59 | * | ompaul hasn't focused on an install in ages |
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| 16:59 | <ompaul> | at least one on a real machine |
| 17:00 | <retrospectacus> | I am... not sure if you're wrong |
| 17:00 | <retrospectacus> | depends what his device is, I guess |
| 17:00 | <ompaul> | Rivky: also if you got firmware-linux-nonfree.deb for your kernel from http://packages.debian.org you might run dpkg -i against it and let it install might sort you out |
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| 17:01 | <ompaul> | Rivky: which ethernet card is it? |
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| 17:02 | <Rivky> | Ah, thank you. It is the net install CD, the ethernet card is an AR8162 which uses the alx driver. |
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| 17:02 | <Rivky> | I will check out retrospectacus's link. |
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| 18:22 | <SamB> | so, something keeps eating my "auto-installed" flags |
| 18:22 | <SamB> | what's a good way to back those up? |
| 18:22 | <simonlnu> | check /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates ? |
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| 18:27 | <SamB> | simonlnu: I really just meant the "auto-installed" flags :-( |
| 18:28 | <simonlnu> | the ones in the ui, yeh. i got that. moment |
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| 18:29 | <simonlnu> | there's /var/lib/apt/extended_states too. but that might be just apt-get |
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| 18:30 | <simonlnu> | (but maybe that's what you meant...) |
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| 18:32 | <SamB> | hmm, now I'm wondering if that got truncated at some point when /var had been filled up ... |
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| 18:33 | <SamB> | it certainly looks like it contains exactly the information I wanted to back up ;-) |
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| 18:34 | <simonlnu> | heh :). there might be a copy in /var/backups |
| 18:34 | <simonlnu> | there is |
| 18:35 | <simonlnu> | both of those i mentioned in fact |
| 18:35 | * | simonlnu imagines they're backed up along with dpkg.status |
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| 20:10 | <toni_> | Hi |
| 20:11 | <crypticmofo> | how do i get a version of a installed package frm aptitude search |
| 20:11 | <crypticmofo> | i ran aptitude search '~n(weechat-curses).~V0*' |
| 20:12 | <crypticmofo> | im assuming thats wrong |
| 20:12 | <retrospectacus> | apt-cache policy weechat-curses |
| 20:12 | <crypticmofo> | oh |
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| 20:13 | <crypticmofo> | retrospectacus: nothing from aptitude ? |
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| 20:13 | <crypticmofo> | im looking at the manual |
| 20:13 | <retrospectacus> | don't know |
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| 20:13 | <retrospectacus> | dpkg -l weechat-curses will also tell you the currently installed version |
| 20:13 | <dpkg> | No packages found matching weechat-curses will also tell you the currently installed version |
| 20:14 | <retrospectacus> | not you dpkg |
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| 20:15 | <crypticmofo> | yes im trying to figure out all the versoins if our repos |
| 20:15 | <crypticmofo> | its aptitde search ?all-versions |
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| 20:23 | <babilen> | crypticmofo: "aptitude versions" ? |
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| 20:23 | <babilen> | (surprise!) |
| 20:24 | <crypticmofo> | lol |
| 20:24 | <crypticmofo> | babilen: looking for all the versions of weecaht .. according to the manual or http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html i have to use the ?all-versions syntax |
| 20:24 | <babilen> | crypticmofo: also red the documentation for -F |
| 20:24 | <crypticmofo> | -F ? |
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| 20:25 | <crypticmofo> | babilen: i go the abbreviations down .. its just the syntax searces |
| 20:26 | <TCW> | apt-cache policy <package name> is not good enough? |
| 20:26 | <TCW> | I almost never use aptitude on my own :) |
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| 20:27 | <crypticmofo> | im trying to get aptitude down |
| 20:27 | <TCW> | down? |
| 20:28 | <crypticmofo> | mastered ? |
| 20:28 | <TCW> | any specific reason? |
| 20:28 | <babilen> | TCW: same here btw |
| 20:29 | <TCW> | babilen, with what? You want to get "down" with aptitude too? ;) |
| 20:29 | <babilen> | no, i typically use apt-cache for that |
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| 20:30 | <TCW> | babilen, ah :) |
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| 20:35 | <as> | alguno qiere pija |
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| 20:40 | <crypticmofo> | oh |
| 20:40 | <crypticmofo> | sorry let me refrase |
| 20:41 | <crypticmofo> | i know apt-cache policy <package> shows the current package that i have |
| 20:41 | <crypticmofo> | im looking for all the version of 1 package |
| 20:42 | <MrFrood> | why? |
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| 20:43 | <crypticmofo> | im using weecaht right and i need a script .. i was advised to upgrade to another version 0.3.9 and im currently on 0.3.8-1 .. i've done an aptitude upgrade already and all packages are installed |
| 20:43 | <crypticmofo> | im looking at what other versions are in teh repos |
| 20:43 | <crypticmofo> | so im trying to do a search |
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| 20:45 | <MrFrood> | crypticmofo: do you know hoe to backport? |
| 20:45 | <crypticmofo> | MrFrood: im on wheezy ? |
| 20:45 | <crypticmofo> | does that matter ? |
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| 20:45 | <MrFrood> | s/hoe/how/ |
| 20:46 | <MrFrood> | well yess if you want a sid package you will have to backport |
| 20:46 | <MrFrood> | !tell crypticmofo about ssb |
| 20:47 | <crypticmofo> | yea so what im trying to figure out is .. i know i can go on to debians website and do a search for what i want and it will show it but i want to know how to do it from the command line |
| 20:47 | <MrFrood> | and take a look at http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=weechat&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 20:47 | <linxon634> | =) |
| 20:47 | <MrFrood> | crypticmofo: use lynx to view the websit if you must do it from the command line |
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| 20:48 | <crypticmofo> | MrFrood: no what i meant is i know we have a website to earch for packages and what not .. im saying is there a way to do the search from the command line not the website |
| 20:48 | <crypticmofo> | like a regex search |
| 20:49 | <crypticmofo> | the link you showed me i see the 0.3.9 on sid |
| 20:49 | <MrFrood> | crypticmofo: apt/aptitude can only as far as I am aware show you the contents to repositories to which they are subscribed, e.g. in your case wheezy |
| 20:49 | <crypticmofo> | got it |
| 20:49 | <crypticmofo> | so if i needed sid or others they would have to be in my sources.list ? |
| 20:49 | <MrFrood> | crypticmofo: no |
| 20:50 | <MrFrood> | then you have a mixed system and that's a real pain |
| 20:50 | <crypticmofo> | oh ok |
| 20:51 | <MrFrood> | read the backpoting advice and if you need something from sid backport it |
| 20:51 | <crypticmofo> | ok |
| 20:52 | <crypticmofo> | yea dpkg -l takes the cake |
| 20:52 | <crypticmofo> | dpkg -l 'wee*' |
| 20:52 | <dpkg> | ii 'wee*' 2.5-4 crypticmofo's private stamp collection |
| 20:52 | <crypticmofo> | umm |
| 20:52 | <crypticmofo> | ok ? |
| 20:53 | * | MrFrood *giggles* |
| 20:53 | <TCW> | ? O_o |
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| 20:53 | <TCW> | apt-cache policy DOES show all available versions on the repos. |
| 20:53 | <MrFrood> | nice |
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| 20:54 | <crypticmofo> | apt-cache policy 'weechat*' |
| 20:54 | <TCW> | one has to fulfill "available" there for sure. |
| 20:54 | <crypticmofo> | i don't full name searches on stuff i always mix stuff or get something wrong so i just do the first 3 letters and search like that |
| 20:54 | <crypticmofo> | its a habit |
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| 20:55 | <TCW> | crypticmofo, bad habbit |
| 20:55 | <TCW> | very bad |
| 20:56 | <TCW> | use your eyes and your brain and if in doubt learn to type *dicks* :) |
| 20:56 | <TCW> | ducks even |
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| 20:58 | <crypticmofo> | lol |
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| 21:00 | <crypticmofo> | umm.. |
| 21:01 | <crypticmofo> | if the package is a binary in the backport why would i have to put the deb-src in my sources.list can't i just find the backported package and install it ? |
| 21:01 | <crypticmofo> | im looking at what dpkg is outputing about backports |
| 21:01 | <crypticmofo> | To list all packages you have installed from backports.debian.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' |
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| 21:01 | <crypticmofo> | │ | -F'%100p |
| 21:01 | <crypticmofo> | has nothing to do with the src don't i have to add backports in sources.list ? |
| 21:02 | <MrFrood> | crypticmofo: the source line is for packages not in bpo that you backport yourself |
| 21:02 | <crypticmofo> | got it |
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| 21:06 | <crypticmofo> | umm.. omg my internet |
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| 21:13 | <crypticmofo> | ok let me get this straight right .. even if there is a package or a backport for a package .. my system probably wont accept it .. so i put in the backport or the url of the backport package im trying to get .. get all the dependancies for that file .. / install the dependancies then once done i can aptitude -t squeeze-backports install <packagename> |
| 21:13 | <crypticmofo> | unless thats all backwards |
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| 21:13 | <crypticmofo> | err |
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| 21:13 | <TCW> | crypticmofo, that sounded rather wrong but at the end... at least some if it seems right, yes :) |
| 21:13 | <crypticmofo> | aptitde -t sid-backports install <packagename> ? |
| 21:14 | <crypticmofo> | lol |
| 21:14 | <TCW> | sid-backports?! O_o |
| 21:15 | <crypticmofo> | yea my choice of words is wrong |
| 21:15 | <crypticmofo> | im still learning |
| 21:15 | <TCW> | crypticmofo, I ask again, what do you try to achive at the end? What is the purpose of all that? |
| 21:15 | <crypticmofo> | TCW: i need a new version of weecaht-curses .. there is a package avaliable in sid |
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| 21:15 | <crypticmofo> | so i have to get it from sid |
| 21:15 | <TCW> | crypticmofo, what release do you run? |
| 21:15 | <TCW> | no, you do not |
| 21:16 | <crypticmofo> | o_O |
| 21:16 | <TCW> | crypticmofo, what release do you run? |
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| 21:16 | <TCW> | debian release that is... |
| 21:16 | <crypticmofo> | 0.3.8-1 im running |
| 21:16 | <TCW> | *debian* release... |
| 21:16 | <crypticmofo> | the current version of weechat-curses i had on archlinux and i need for this script is 0.3.9-1 |
| 21:16 | <zykotick9> | crypticmofo: "lsb_release -sc" |
| 21:17 | <crypticmofo> | says wheezy |
| 21:17 | <TCW> | .versions weechat |
| 21:17 | <TCW> | ,versions weechat |
| 21:17 | <judd> | Package: weechat on i386 -- lenny: 0.2.6-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.2.6-1+lenny1; lenny-backports: 0.3.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.3.2-1; squeeze-backports: 0.3.8-1~bpo60+1; sid: 0.3.8-1; wheezy: 0.3.8-1; sid: 0.3.9.1-1 |
| 21:17 | <crypticmofo> | oh wow you can do that here ? |
| 21:18 | <TCW> | obviously? |
| 21:18 | <crypticmofo> | yea nice |
| 21:18 | <zykotick9> | TCW: do you know why sid shows two versions for weechat? |
| 21:21 | <TCW> | crypticmofo, 1.) wheezy is NOT yet stable / released as stable, so no backports available yet 2.) wheezy and sid may be close enough at the moment, so you *could* (read: could, not necessarily should) get the package from sid and be done with it 3.) wheezy is about to be released in the next few months (hopefully), it is "freezed" at the moment, so changes from sid are not migrated to wheezy in general. If wheezy would not be freezed yet, you could just wait a few |
| 21:21 | <TCW> | days and the sid package would be migrated to wheezy. |
| 21:21 | <TCW> | zykotick9, does it? |
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| 21:22 | <TCW> | oh, it does :) |
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| 21:23 | <retrospectacus> | !tell crypticmofo about testing unstable mix |
| 21:24 | <crypticmofo> | how about i just don't install the sid package o |
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| 21:24 | <TCW> | zykotick9, well... I guess judd is a bit off there... at least apt-cache tells me otherwise, only once there. |
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| 21:24 | <crypticmofo> | o_O |
| 21:25 | <TCW> | crypticmofo, now ask specific questions if anything is still not crystal clear. |
| 21:25 | <crypticmofo> | can i reverse what i did .. all i did was update my sources.list did an apt-get update and ran apt-get build-dep weechat |
| 21:25 | <crypticmofo> | can i reverse this ? |
| 21:25 | <TCW> | yes |
| 21:26 | <crypticmofo> | or just update my souirces.list / take out sid and apt-get update |
| 21:26 | <TCW> | correct |
| 21:26 | <retrospectacus> | crypticmofo: yes, remove what "build-dep " installed |
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| 21:26 | <retrospectacus> | crypticmofo: I thought you wanted version 0.3.9? |
| 21:26 | <crypticmofo> | retrospectacus: its fine |
| 21:26 | <TCW> | oh, yes... build-dep does actually install stuff too :) yeah, uninstall those too |
| 21:28 | <crypticmofo> | ok let me bracktrack what i did .. i already had build-esseintals installed right .. so after i updated sources.list and ran apt-get update .. i went to my build dir ~/build and ran apt-get build-dep weechat |
| 21:28 | <crypticmofo> | thats it |
| 21:28 | <crypticmofo> | it installed some lib stuff |
| 21:28 | <crypticmofo> | the only thing i have in ~/build is dropbox .deb package |
| 21:28 | <crypticmofo> | i installed dropbox nromally so i removed that .deb |
| 21:28 | <crypticmofo> | im assuming apt-get has a log |
| 21:29 | <TCW> | yes |
| 21:29 | <retrospectacus> | crypticmofo: remove the "some lib stuff" |
| 21:29 | <retrospectacus> | dpkg has a log |
| 21:29 | <dpkg> | retrospectacus: i haven't a clue |
| 21:29 | <TCW> | retrospectacus, /var/log/apt/history.log? |
| 21:31 | <crypticmofo> | Start-Date: 2012-11-16 18:15:42 |
| 21:31 | <crypticmofo> | Commandline: apt-get build-dep weechat-curses |
| 21:31 | <crypticmofo> | how di i remove what build-dep did is this a purge or a remove command ? |
| 21:31 | <crypticmofo> | s/di/do/ |
| 21:31 | <retrospectacus> | TCW: sweet :) |
| 21:33 | <crypticmofo> | apt-get remove build-dep weecaht-curses ? |
| 21:33 | <TCW> | crypticmofo, no |
| 21:34 | <retrospectacus> | crypticmofo: why do you type it here and not in the terminal |
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| 21:34 | <TCW> | crypticmofo, you could read the manpage... |
| 21:34 | <crypticmofo> | on apt-get ? |
| 21:34 | <TCW> | on every tool you use |
| 21:34 | <crypticmofo> | i was reading a faq on debians website |
| 21:35 | <TCW> | that may or may not be enough |
| 21:35 | <TCW> | but seeing you are asking if apt-get remove build-deb ... would actually work, I guess it was not enough :) |
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| 21:42 | <crypticmofo> | i got rid of it |
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| 21:43 | <TCW> | crypticmofo, what commandline did you use? |
| 21:43 | <crypticmofo> | um m |
| 21:43 | <crypticmofo> | sudo aptitude markauto $(apt-cache showsrc weechat | grep Build-Depends | perl -p -e 's/(?:[\[(].+?[\])]|Build-Depends:|,|\|)//g') |
| 21:43 | <crypticmofo> | google o_O |
| 21:43 | <TCW> | wtf?! |
| 21:43 | <crypticmofo> | thats what i was going to run |
| 21:44 | <crypticmofo> | i saw that for debian |
| 21:44 | <retrospectacus> | crypticmofo: how much of that do you understand? |
| 21:44 | <crypticmofo> | retrospectacus: all but the perl and sed |
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| 21:45 | <SamB> | what sed? |
| 21:45 | <retrospectacus> | sed? did you run "apt-cache showsrc weechat | grep Build-Depends | perl -p -e's/(?:[\[(].+?[\])]|Build-Depends:|,|\|)//g' yet |
| 21:46 | <crypticmofo> | no |
| 21:46 | <TCW> | 03:42:45 <crypticmofo> i got rid of it <-? |
| 21:46 | <SamB> | that's part of the perl ... |
| 21:46 | <crypticmofo> | yes i got rid of the .deb |
| 21:46 | <crypticmofo> | thats all i have ran |
| 21:46 | <retrospectacus> | $( ) mean run the thing in it and substitute the output into the command line |
| 21:46 | <crypticmofo> | because when it was build the source in i saw dropbox in there |
| 21:46 | <crypticmofo> | building* |
| 21:47 | <retrospectacus> | crypticmofo: and running the stuff in there will not give a useful arguments for "sudo aptitude markauto" |
| 21:47 | <TCW> | we talk about the "some lib stuff" and you talk about that absolutely inrelated, unimportant dropbox.deb of some whatever origin... great :) |
| 21:48 | <TCW> | unrelated even |
| 21:48 | <retrospectacus> | yeah what has dropbox to do with anything |
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| 21:48 | <crypticmofo> | retrospectacus: when it was buiilding the dep or the src when it was sptiting out outputs i saw dropbox in there when it was pritnting text to the screen |
| 21:48 | <crypticmofo> | so i just removed the .deb |
| 21:48 | <crypticmofo> | thats all i have done so far |
| 21:48 | <TCW> | crypticmofo, hows weather over there and what did you have for lunch? |
| 21:48 | <crypticmofo> | its late |
| 21:48 | <crypticmofo> | o_O |
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| 21:49 | <retrospectacus> | crypticmofo: read the log TCW mentioned, it will tell you what "apt-get build dep weechat " installed. Copy them onto "apt-get remove" in another terminal |
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| 21:50 | <crypticmofo> | ok so what it installed just remove |
| 21:50 | <crypticmofo> | doing it now |
| 21:50 | <retrospectacus> | take your time |
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| 21:57 | <crypticmofo> | yea thats going to take a while |
| 21:57 | <crypticmofo> | lol |
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| 22:05 | * | SamB thinks http.debian.net needs geodns (to decrease latency) |
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| 22:08 | <TCW> | SamB, *.debian.net is that official debian yet? |
| 22:08 | <SamB> | *.debian.net seems to be for unofficial projects |
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| 22:09 | <TCW> | SamB, so nothing changed... then, I guess "they" do not have many machines around the world so that it would make any sense... just guessing here :) |
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| 22:10 | <SamB> | you'd think they could at least have IPv6 and IPv4 on both nodes though |
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| 22:11 | <TCW> | As IPv6 is not there yet... they could, but not should. |
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| 22:11 | <SamB> | there's one in .de, and one somewhere not too far from .pa.us, but the .de one doesn't offer IPv4 and the .us one doesn't offer IPv6 |
| 22:12 | <TCW> | I suppose that was a deliberate decision |
| 22:12 | <tester> | why is it my isc-dhcpserver freaks out when I have ipv6 enabled dhcp clients on the lan? |
| 22:13 | <tester> | I have to totally disable ipv6 in my debian machines otherwise the isp-dhcp-server doesnt give them ips, and has problems issuing ipv4 leases |
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| 22:13 | <SamB> | why would you use DHCP for IPv6? |
| 22:14 | <tester> | I wouldnt, what Im saying is, any Debian boxes that have ipv6 and ipv4 enabled wont get ipv4 leases from my isp-dhcpserver, and ipv6 is completely disabled on the dhcp server box |
| 22:14 | <tester> | the winbloze 7 boxes with ipv6 have no trouble getting ipv4 leases from it |
| 22:15 | <TCW> | tester, how does that qualify for "isc-dhcpd freaks out"? |
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| 22:15 | <tester> | because its in my opinion, the server thats having the issue, not the clients |
| 22:15 | <TCW> | I bet it is nm |
| 22:15 | <TCW> | or any other client side piece of software |
| 22:16 | <TCW> | like... the clients don't try to get an ipv4 address |
| 22:16 | <tester> | well I disabled ipv6 on all the clients and the problems went away |
| 22:17 | <SamB> | tester: did you wireshark it? |
| 22:17 | <tester> | mmmm, I just noticed that imspector is a package available in sid, wonder if its in wheezy too |
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| 22:17 | <tester> | nah I just tailed my log files |
| 22:17 | <SamB> | wireshark is very good for disproving hypotheses |
| 22:18 | <tester> | Im not a developer. Im a user, either something works or it doesnt, if its got an issue , I do a bug report |
| 22:18 | <tester> | thats my job, fixing it is the developers job |
| 22:18 | <TCW> | tester, then being sure the server is / was at fault is... interesting, to say the least :) |
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| 22:18 | <SamB> | if you want to know which developer to complain to (and make sure you haven't, say, misconfigured something ...), it's important to try to check hypotheses |
| 22:19 | <tester> | Yeah thats true |
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| 22:19 | <TCW> | tester, fair enough... but the discussion was about who's to blame and not should you be the one to fix the issue. Bzw. disableing ipv6 does not qualify as a fix here ;) |
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| 22:19 | <TCW> | Btw. even |
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| 22:20 | <tester> | Well the main issues I have with debian right now across all my machines, is a bug in ath9k where ar9x based chipsets drop connections at random, unless I disable network manager and manually do the wifi in /etc/network/interfaces, and a malfunctioning/non functional driver for i845g chipsets |
| 22:20 | <tester> | vga |
| 22:20 | <tester> | other than that, Im very pleased with debian |
| 22:20 | <SamB> | that certainly motivates me to try network-manager ;-P |
| 22:21 | <tester> | Well, Im not sure if the issue is network manager or a kernel module |
| 22:21 | <TCW> | i845 is... how do I say that? :) Let's say not as well tested / maintained as one would hope... and that is not a debian issue. |
| 22:21 | <tester> | and apparently nobody else seems to know, because I am not the only person with this issue on that hardware |
| 22:22 | <tester> | well, its true that it was a horrible gpu even when it was new, however, hardware acceleration for 3d does exist for it, and compared to the performance I get in Windows XP, the drivers in debian are unexcusably poorly written or non functional |
| 22:22 | <TCW> | the network connectivity drops on the other hand... sure, it might be an upstream issue, but it is rather interesting. Especially if it is chipset-specific (which I doubt somewhat) |
| 22:22 | <tester> | I can say, for example, run OpenArena on it at, modest framerates, but still very playable in XP, not so much in debian |
| 22:23 | <SamB> | is that drivers or Mesa? |
| 22:23 | <tester> | one or the other |
| 22:23 | <tester> | or glx |
| 22:23 | <TCW> | tester, omit "debian" there, it is not a debian-centric issue. Upstream i845 code (read: intel) does not do its job there. |
| 22:23 | <SamB> | then again, I don't know where one leaves off and the other begins ... |
| 22:23 | <tester> | I dont know, I submitted a bug report alongside hundreds of others having the same issue |
| 22:24 | <tester> | Well, Im not trying to bad mouth debian, dont get me wrong, I LOVE DEBIAN. Just I agree Intel are being cunts in this. |
| 22:24 | <SamB> | I really doubt glx is the issue ;-) |
| 22:24 | <TCW> | it is save to assume the bad support for i845 is absolutely known and at least debian can not do much about it... sad but true. |
| 22:24 | <TCW> | the same goes for any other distro around btw. |
| 22:25 | <tester> | Well heres the deal, I had an ar9485 chipset and it would drop connections at random, requiring a reboot, iwconfig and ifconfig couldnt even access the wireless card when this condition occured, so I swapped it out with a brand new ar9285 |
| 22:25 | <tester> | the issues did not stop, they continued |
| 22:25 | <tester> | I then tried an ar5x based card, no problems at all |
| 22:25 | <TCW> | tester, interesting |
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| 22:26 | <tester> | yeah I got that sigflagocs or w/e error, yuo know the one "no such interface" error getting interface flags or w/e |
| 22:26 | <TCW> | tester, and you are sure, as you used /etc/network/interfaces and not network-manager with the ath9k chips, it worked again like a charm? |
| 22:26 | <tester> | yup |
| 22:26 | <tester> | hasnt dropped once |
| 22:26 | <tester> | since I did it manually in the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:26 | <tester> | which leads me to believe it may be a problem with network-manager |
| 22:27 | * | SamB is confused about why he got ~1000 FPS for the frist ten seconds of glxgears but now is getting ~200 FPS ... |
| 22:27 | <tester> | I am considering trying the latest build of network-manager, but I am a bit leary because its so new, I might have heaps of depenancy issues in squeeze |
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| 22:28 | <TCW> | very interesting... as I have an ath9k usb-card here too on one box. It has a silly sisusb wlan chip buil-in which would need ndiswarapper (which does not work reliable at all with that peticular windows driver) so I use a ath9k-usb-dongle there... and, I need to replug the device regularly or else the box does not re-connect again. |
| 22:28 | <SamB> | I mean, sure I'm tunneling it over SSH but why didn't it go *slower* at the beginning? |
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| 22:29 | <tester> | eww, ndiswrapper... heh I use aircrack, reaver. and pyrit a lot, ndiswrapper is unacceptable for me. |
| 22:29 | <tester> | ndiswrapper seems to be the only way to get those old prism chipsets to work, for me at least |
| 22:29 | <TCW> | tester, sometimes I just want network-access ;) |
| 22:29 | <tester> | right, we may have been affected by the same issue |
| 22:29 | <tester> | it is not uncommon for people to come in here having this issue with ar9x chipsets |
| 22:30 | <tester> | Also, a sidenote, a good friend of mine who runs weaknetlabs.com is not releasing a new version of his distribution because of this issue, he refuses to release a distro with nonfunctional drivers, |
| 22:30 | <TCW> | we might... I'll test that and omit nm in that setup and do it via /etc/network/interfaces instead.... |
| 22:31 | <tester> | I have spoken with him in depth about this, and he agrees there is a serious problem going on that is affecting ath9k chipsets |
| 22:31 | <tester> | He is an expert in 802.11 and has submitted drafts for new security standards related to wifi encryption that have been accepted by the community |
| 22:32 | <tester> | has a current article in hak9 magazine as well about this |
| 22:33 | <tester> | hey TCW, do you know how to do it in /etc/network/interfaces? Its so frigging easy, but I can save you some time googling and just copypaste my example for you if it would be helpful |
| 22:33 | <TCW> | tester, no idea who is is and what distri he designs (and I do not have peticular interest about both either) but did he test the issue? Could he confirm that omitting nm there and using static configuaration does fox it? |
| 22:33 | <tester> | weaknet linux |
| 22:33 | <TCW> | tester, thanks but I know it already... I have to look up some specifics again, but that is not an issue :) |
| 22:33 | <tester> | Its a penetration testing distro with very strong wireless suite |
| 22:34 | <TCW> | whatever (as said, not interested in it) |
| 22:34 | <tester> | I wasnt trying to sell you anything, dont be a dickhead. |
| 22:34 | <TCW> | but I did ask some questions on top ;) |
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| 22:35 | <TCW> | I am not, I am just trying to get the questions answered and keeping the uninteresting stuff to a minimum there ;) |
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| 22:36 | <SamB> | hmm, evidently I get even lower FPS when I run glxgears on the Mac where the X server actually runs ... |
| 22:36 | <TCW> | SamB, glxgears is not a benchmark... |
| 22:36 | <tester> | probably apples fruity hardware, did you try rubbing ky jelly on it first? |
| 22:36 | <TCW> | tester, so? |
| 22:37 | <tester> | are u actually gaming with x-11 forwarding? |
| 22:37 | <SamB> | no |
| 22:38 | <tester> | Ok, question, is that even possible to do? |
| 22:38 | <tester> | I mean with fps games |
| 22:38 | <SamB> | you would lose |
| 22:38 | <tester> | Ive never used x11 forwarding, but I suppose I have with thin clients |
| 22:38 | <SamB> | it's okay for emacs though |
| 22:38 | <tester> | so Ive seen exactly what you mean, the performance issue |
| 22:39 | <tester> | yeah, thats precisely why I switched to thick clients with ltsp-standalone |
| 22:39 | <tester> | I had these full on diskless desktops using the cpu on the server, it was absurd to do it that way |
| 22:39 | <SamB> | (I'm thinking glxgears is forgetting to actually flush it's buffers or something ...) |
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| 22:41 | <SamB> | doomrl would be playable if I hooked up my speakers to the Debian box, etc. |
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| 22:41 | <TCW> | SamB, as said... glxgears is in no way meant to be used as a benchmark. Regardless, so many folks see it as that.... really weird. |
| 22:42 | <TCW> | it is a rather hacky way to determine if the xserver does hardware acceleration, but That's it. |
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| 22:45 | <SamB> | it also helps you see if the hardware acceleation is doing anything for you |
| 22:45 | <SamB> | or, well, I guess that's mostly all it does |
| 22:45 | <SamB> | the numbers weren't helping here, but animation was much more sluggish remotely ... |
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