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---Logopened Sat Nov 17 00:00:30 2012
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01:09<tester>in windows I used to use "WorkSpace Macro"
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01:09<tester>had 'macro replay' feature
01:09<tester>but certainly there must be something for nix that is superior
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01:50<Ulrask>I am a hobbyist game developper with a dos/windows background and tried debian a few days ago
01:50<ectospasm>tester: you misunderstand. I already use xmacrorec2/xmacroplay to record and playback the macro. That isn't the issue. The issue is being able to use a command to generate a macro file from a text, a la "xmacrorec3 < input.txt > output.macro"
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01:50<rainfyre>Ulrask: very cool
01:50<Ulrask>I recompiled a few of my games and made the .deb
01:50<Ulrask>Can I apply to have it on your marketplace ?
01:50<Ulrask>And how ?
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01:52<Ulrask>Btw, is there any "proper" way to make a .deb ? The way I did was just decompressing a random .deb to see how the structure work and adapted things to my own things
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02:19<SUR13>hi all! can someone help me find a driver for tv tuner gadmei P228f for debian squeeze amd64 ?
02:20<tester>Oh this is frigging lame, I install gnee to have the gui version of xnee, and what do you know, it failed to create a shortcut in the applications menu =LAME
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02:34<cico>ciao a tutti
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03:12<SUR13>need a help
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03:23<crypticmofo>aw back
03:23<crypticmofo>how goes all
03:24<simonlnu>all left 2 days ago. we're kinda worried.
03:24<simonlnu>took the any key with him.
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03:28<crypticmofo>1 more week on debian and im going to rm arclinux
03:28<crypticmofo>i feel comforable
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03:32<crypticmofo>can i do a regex or multiple search with dpkg ?
03:32<crypticmofo>ie dpkg -l 'tmux, weechat'
03:32<crypticmofo>i tried didn't work
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03:32<crypticmofo>oh ok
03:32<crypticmofo>so its 1 at a time simonlnu ?
03:33<simonlnu>"dpkg" is oooold
03:33<crypticmofo>hmm ?
03:33<simonlnu>(didn't want the bot triggered)
03:35<crypticmofo>i know what i will do
03:35<SUR13>hey ppl...pls help me to find my driver for tv tuner gadmei PT228
03:36<simonlnu>SUR13: lspci -nn and tell us what the *single* line for it is
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03:38<simonlnu>SUR13: don't /msg people
03:38<simonlnu>just put it here
03:38<SUR13>okay sry
03:39<SUR13>01:09.0 Multimedia video controller [0400]: Techwell Inc. Device [1797:6804] (rev 10)
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03:39<simonlnu>,pciid 1797:6804
03:39<judd>[1797:6804] is 'Unknown device' from 'Techwell Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also
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03:40<simonlnu>SUR13: do they offer a linux driver on the manufacturer's web site?
03:40<simonlnu>you might look at the v4ldvb project. they often have out-of-tree drivers for stuff like that
03:41<SUR13>i try it
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03:41<simonlnu>you'll have to build it yourself, fair warning
03:41<Ulrask>Hello sorry I had a crash. Dunno if I had reply
03:41<simonlnu>you can come here to get help
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03:42<simonlnu>SUR13: me or any of the several helpers can help you do that, if you need it.
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03:42<TCW>Ulrask, "proper way of building a .deb"? See new maintainers guide
03:42<SUR13>yeah man
03:42<SUR13>i need dat
03:43<simonlnu>Ulrask: i just joined not so long ago
03:43<SUR13>cuz ... i try anythink
03:43<Ulrask>My question was: I am a hobbyist game maker and just tried linux for the first time out of curiosity. I recompiled a few of my software and made .deb of them. How can I apply to have it published on your marketplace ?
03:43<SUR13>and i can't run my tuner
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03:44<simonlnu>SUR13: hit up google for that source tree, and check it out. they have instructions, IIRC, too
03:44<TCW>Ulrask, we do not have a "marketplace" in the regard you might think...
03:44<simonlnu>marketplace? heh
03:44<TCW>Ulrask, Debian is not android or iOS
03:44<Ulrask>I mean aptitude, synaptic and such
03:45<simonlnu>those are package installers
03:46<Ulrask>Anyhow, I don't know anything about Linux yet. I just want to make the process of trying my games easy for people
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03:47<TCW>Ulrask, for most (if not all) Linux distributions they have repositories with packages in them. Each package has a person or team being responsible for the package. So if you want your pacjages to be available in Debian, consider becoming a debian maintainer on your own or at least but your work on a public server so someone else can have a look and mention that on debian-mentors-mailinglist (and here)
03:47<TCW>Ulrask, I figured that much ;)
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03:48<Ulrask>Do you absolutely need softwares to be GPL ? Everything I made is open source but public domain so far. If I make it available as GPL, can I still have the windows version in the public domain ?
03:48<TCW>Ulrask, if you have no real knowledge about GNU/Linux in general I strongly advise you to find some folks who help you.
03:48<TCW>Ulrask, yes... Dual Licensing is possible
03:49<SUR13>simonlnu: can i use driver from another tv tuner driver or something like that cuz i can't find module ? cuz i hit up google all day everyday and all but i can't do nothink this channel is my last chance
03:49<TCW>but iirc "public domain" could be ok for debian as well. But sure, GPLed code would be nice.
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03:50<Ulrask>I don't actually really mind either way. I just don't want any restriction on the software or the code, since the few bits I know I learned from reading public domain code on aminet
03:52<TCW>Ulrask, don't get this the wrong way, but everything that is in the debian repository has at least some folks who like the stuff (or became maintainer themself to get it in debian). So... if you expect others to "bring it in" it must be reeeealy good stuff ;)
03:52<quietone>I installed libdvdcss2 etc from deb-multimedia but still can't play some DVDs, what should I try next?
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03:52<Ulrask>Being a maintainer seems awfully complicated. For now I will just make archived binaries and my homemade .deb on my website, along with all I think is necessary for people to make their own deb or rpm or anything.
03:53<ompaul>Ulrask: not everything on aminet (which may be compromised) is public domain some of it is GPLed already
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03:54<Ulrask>I usually try to avoid GPL stuff on aminet, I don't really know about it so I don't want to infringe someone's right by mistake.
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03:54<ompaul>SUR13: you may wish to change your quit message, it's not really breakfast reading
03:55<Ulrask>GPL is something kind of in between copyright and public domain right ? but I don't exactly know where is the limit.
03:55<TCW>Ulrask, is all code from you?
03:55<SUR13>man...idk ... i dont care about my quit message right now ...
03:56<TCW>Ulrask, no... GPLed code has a STRONG "copyright", you write the code, you can do with it whatever you want, including re-licensing it, dump it, screw it. Not even the GPL does change the writers rights (much)
03:56<ompaul>Ulrask: GPL is explained in the GPL v2 licence, in the short version basically it gives you rights to distribute as long as you include an offer of the source at the same time as the binary
03:56<ompaul>the v3 stuff has more in there
03:57<ectospasm>TCW: um, you can't relicense GPL code unless you own the copyright.
03:57<ompaul>Ulrask: to make this happen you should have the source sitting beside the binary - sorted
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03:57<TCW>ectospasm, what did you not get there? I said "YOU write the code, YOU can do whatever you want"
03:57<ectospasm>TCW: didn't read that part
03:57<Ulrask>Maybe 95% is ? I adapt some other public domain subroutine sometime, or use them as strong inspiration. For instance, in my remake of crazy cars I use a subroutine from someone else game to simulate the fake 3D effect.
03:58<TCW>ectospasm, it is in the same message?!
03:58<ectospasm>TCW: I read from the bottom up.
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03:58<ompaul>guys it's a bit early in the AM have a cup of tea and remember where the towel is
04:01<TCW>Ulrask, hmm... IANAL ;) Licensing issues is really a bitch! ;) Maybe ask on debian-legal for suggestions? But either way, if it was PD stuff you used, I *guess* all is well. As PD means "do with it whatever you want, no restrictions at all" that should include using it in GPL code. Just mention where you got your "inspiration" from in the docs and all should be fine.
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04:02<Ulrask>But since A) what I copy is public domain in the first place and B) it's usually redone my own way to suits what I want to achieve and the language I use - often not the same as the source of the software I copy from, and C) I always give credit to the original software and author both in the readme and inside the game itself, I don't think it is a problem.
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04:02<TCW>Ulrask, me neither.
04:03<TCW>Ulrask, are there maybe some youtube clips of your games?
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04:06<Ulrask>Well, if it's a remake then I usually use an emulator and take screenshot of the sprites to remake them for instance. It's from long-dead companies though, and in all cases so far I got contacted by the original author giving positive comment about my work, also there was never any discussion about copyright. Still, that's a valid point and I didn't really think about that
04:07<Ulrask>Although the commercial values of 8 bits games from the 80s is close to 0, I guess there is still people somewhere owning the copyright about them
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04:07<TCW>there are a bunch of remakes in debian or any other distro around...
04:08<ectospasm>Ulrask: that is true... but some holders don't have the resources to protect their copyrights/trademarks, afaict.
04:08<ompaul>Ulrask: please go look at how mame does it
04:08<Ulrask>Well, Mame is different, they use the original roms and data
04:09<Ulrask>Whereas I totally reimplement things from scratch
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04:09<TCW>Ulrask, about what games are we talking about? So just btw. :)
04:10<Ulrask>For instance, Crazy Cars on the CPC, the original author explained me everything is generated by the code itself, there isn't really external ressources in the form of bitmaps. The shape is defined at some point of the code, then the color palette somewhere else...
04:11<TCW>never heard of before
04:11<Ulrask>TCW, I just finished recompiling Crazy Cars, the archive contains both the code and a debian-compatible binary:
04:11<Ulrask>To run the binary you just need SDL
04:12<TCW>No simple youtube clip available? :)
04:15<Ulrask>Well, it's as close as possible as the original CPC version so anything you'd see on youtube of the original CPC game would look quite similar. In fact, I am pretty sure I got everything bit perfect by now, but as I don't have the original source and have to rely on analyzing the output of an emulator it's hard to tell.
04:16<Ulrask>I also made a remake of Barbarian CPC. This one is maybe a little bit more famous.
04:16<TCW>I think I played that on the c64 :)
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04:17<Ulrask>C64 version is probably superior
04:17<Ulrask>Except for the color
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04:18<Ulrask>The CPC color palette doesn't look like it's been established by a depressed guy thinking about throwing himself by the window.
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04:21<lostsoul2323>hi crowd
04:21<lostsoul2323>got a question to you
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04:22<lostsoul2323>I'd like to use the lovely xterms font in my tilda terminal window but have absolutely no idea what font xterm uses
04:23<lostsoul2323>if someone now how can I make tilda to use the default xterms font please help me :)
04:25<lostsoul2323>fonts, console fonts, etc. is one of those subjects where whenever I try to understand it deeper I come back dummer :/
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04:26<ectospasm>lostsoul2323: yeah, fonts in X are really confusing.
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04:33<Ulrask>I need to go, bye and thanks for the informations !
04:33<tester>why is it that I set iceweasel as the default browser, yet this ephiphany is still the default?
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04:34<tester>I even went into preferred applications and set iceweasel/firefox as the default, ITS STILL FRIGGING LOADING EPIPHANY!!
04:34<tester>and thats on 4 different machines
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06:01<zeroblu3>can someone help me please? i'm on ubuntu and it doesn't detect my raid.....hardware raid that is
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06:02<bluewater>zeroblu3: ubuntu is on freenode
06:03<zeroblu3>kk just joined that thx
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06:10<tester>doesnt detect your raid? saywhut
06:10<tester>does it show up when you lspci ?
06:10<tester>this isnt #ubuntu brosky
06:11<tester>check with those guys
06:11<calzifer>hi, why does extension sync in chromium not work?
06:11<tester>what is chromium?
06:11<calzifer>google chrome-browser, but the opensource version
06:11<tester>oh, well thats the problem right there
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06:18<tester>maybe its a permissions issue
06:18<calzifer>in the home folder?
06:18<tester>one of the directories chromium needs to access is probably not writable
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06:19<tester>Im guessing here tho
06:19<calzifer>the thing is, sometimes the extension sync works, but only sync half of the extensions
06:20<calzifer>so i tried to remove the config folder from chromium, and the second time it didnt work
06:20<tester>i dunno myself
06:20<ectospasm>calzifer: chromium extensions work for me...
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06:20<calzifer>ectospasm: did you change something?
06:20<ectospasm>calzifer: not I
06:21<calzifer>ah, and i'm running wheezy
06:21<ectospasm>I'm running wheezy too
06:21<ectospasm>it's been a while since I used Google-Chrome
06:22<ectospasm>...I don't remember which extensions I had from that browser
06:22<ectospasm>...but I think it's most of them.
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06:51<bg>hi all nice to be in there! I just say ohh!!!
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07:29<marek_>potrebujem help s xorg
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08:11<Jaleks1>which would be my favorite program to plot math formulas with case discrimination like this:
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08:21<movl>Jaleks1, the link won't work
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08:22<Jaleks1>thx, movl - the link should have been
08:23<movl>Jaleks1, TeX?
08:24<Jaleks1>not sure if i told my target correctly, 'plot' was meant in the sense of 'show me the graph of the function' not in the sense of typesetting
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08:25<Jaleks1>is that also a tex thing?
08:25<movl>I'm not an expert, TBH
08:25<movl>you know about Gnuplot, right?
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08:30<Jaleks1>i know it exists, but it does not seem very beginner's friendly
08:30<blawiz>id agree :]
08:31<blawiz>but u can copy exsamples and tweak them probably
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08:31<blawiz>i have anyways
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08:39<Jaleks1>it looks like i got a match with 'gnome-genius' which has an easy input of " function f(x) = ( if (x!=1) then (return (x^2-1)/(x-1)) else return (0)) "
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09:11<Redux>Can someone tell me where to find services list of Debian 6?
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09:12<movl>Redux, what services are you referring to?
09:13<Redux>Of Debian 6 x64.
09:13<Redux>I'm running Minecraft server on Debian and I'm damn sure there are some services whose are useless for me.
09:13<movl>running services? available services?
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09:14<movl>so running? 'ps aux'
09:14<Redux>Running services, those under ls /etc/rc2.d/S*
09:14<Redux>I'm using sysv-rc-conf to turn them off.
09:14<movl>well, you just answered your own question :)
09:14<Redux>I'm not asking HOW
09:14<Redux>I'm asking WHICH
09:15<movl>you're asdking which services are running, right?
09:15<Redux>No, I'm asking where can I find a describtion of all system services on Debian.
09:15<movl>less /etc/services
09:16<Redux>I see but only small part of them has a description.
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09:40<xhuail>sorry i'm the newer
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09:43<ogolovanov>Hello! If first report of "iostat" shows "r/s" = 1.26, does it mean that starting from first system boot and when my system is online - on average i get 1.26 requests per second ?
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09:44<ogolovanov>or it just takes total requests number and divides it on diff between current time and first system boot time ?
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10:27<Loren>hola....un saludo desde Madrid
10:28<Loren>es la primera vez que entro por aquí
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10:28<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:28<abrotman>or english here
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10:33<mandark>I'm search documentation about alarm(2), I read the manpage and the unistd.h but no one tell me what is safe to do in the signal handler...
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10:55<stderr>mandark: signal(7) says something about alarm() being Async-signal-safe.
10:57<stderr>"... the following functions can be safely called inside a signal handler: ... alarm() ..."
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11:22<siducer689>Having a problem with setting up my usb printer epson c42ux in cups, cups won't recognize it, lsusb shows it as connected
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11:28<Calinou>epson on linux? *dances*
11:29<siducer689>Are there known problems with epson?
11:30<lostatwork>I have an older epson 777 stylus and it doesn't give me any issues
11:30<Calinou>is the word
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11:30<Calinou>if you bought a printer after 2010, don't even try using it
11:30<lostatwork>yeah that is true
11:31<siducer689>The c42ux is quite old actually
11:31<Calinou>terrible illegal facepalmable practices
11:32<siducer689>But regardless it's age, cups won't recognize it
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11:40<thinkerweb>I installed apache2 on my debian system, is this tomcat apache or some other version?
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11:42<sney>thinkerweb: tomcat is something else
11:43<siducer689>Bye and thenks for nothing
11:43<siducer689>thanks even
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12:00<thinkerweb>sney, thx, whats the difference?
12:00<Flakk>Hi people could oyu tell me how to know which sound card is there on my computer?
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12:01<sney>thinkerweb: tomcat is a... I'm not sure what apache's term for it is, but it's an addon for the server to host java applications
12:01<Flakk>sorry: I meant what is the sound card of my comp
12:02<chealer>thinkerweb: apache2 contains Apache httpd
12:02<Flakk>it is Ok i found it sorry )
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12:03<fcrs>any asterisk users? i'm trying to use MeetMe() but can't find it in any of the asterisk related packages
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12:22<thinkerweb>sney, chealer thx guys
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12:39<David-BT5>Hey Guys.
12:39<David-BT5>any Survivor ?!
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12:40<David-BT5>hacking while listening to Justin Bieber. LOL
12:40<David-BT5>can't imagine it
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12:46<David-BT5>WOOH she's so HOT
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12:48<TCW>David-BT5, "she"?
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12:50<Guest5939>hello friends, which release of debian - have the full support of MACBOOKPRO15INCH MID2012 WITH I7 AND GFORCE?
12:50<Calinou>installing debian on a mac, tricky since 2006(R)
12:50<Calinou>installing nvidia driver on a mac, tricky since 2008(R)
12:50<Calinou>erm, i mean on debian
12:51<Calinou>no idea. next time don't buy a mac :>
12:51<White_Wolf>try google
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12:51<engla>mac laptops can offer pretty good quality you know
12:52<rottger1911>man sure but i want experience thoughts
12:52<engla>like a touchpad that works
12:52<David-BT5>Hey Guys.
12:52<rottger1911>therefore i got one - BUT - this is not highend in software right now - i have it in RAM
12:52<Calinou><engla> mac laptops can offer pretty good quality you know
12:52<rottger1911>and it is bugging like ....
12:52<Calinou>so expensive... and 50% of price goes to designer
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12:52<Calinou>engla: touchpad works on my netbook and my old laptop.
12:53<Calinou>and they are not macs
12:53<engla>oh that can't be true
12:53<David-BT5>need Some help Guys. PLZ
12:53<aptosid777>yes, touchpad, louderbuttons - but what not is there is graphic - is eG a real configuration!
12:53<Calinou>working touchpad is overrated too, get a mouse :P
12:53<David-BT5>My Right Click isn't working on my touchpad.
12:53<David-BT5>any Solution ?
12:53<aptosid777>dvd: stop complain
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12:53<Calinou>David-BT5: you'll have an hard time right clicking like you can "left click" by double tapping...
12:53<Calinou>there are buttons under your touchpad, use them?
12:54<zafir>hello all, I'm trying to nfs root diskless and what I did is here , expect some help from all of you
12:54<aptosid777>man - its not about right click - its about - getting a simple drivr howto.
12:54<aptosid777>this is easy
12:54<David-BT5>they're NOT WORKING. they worked on Windows.
12:54<David-BT5>and On some Distr. of Linux.
12:54<David-BT5>like Ubuntu
12:54<David-BT5>but they stopped working on
12:54<simonlnu>aptosid777: use nouveau xorg driver and kernel driver
12:54<David-BT5>backtrack 4 and 5
12:54<David-BT5>and also mint
12:54<aptosid777>whats more complicated is to get an whole KERNEL for a IVYbridge think
12:54<aptosid777>simonlnu: will try to search hau2
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12:55<simonlnu>what "hau2"? could you write english?
12:55<aptosid777>dvd: get ya self a computr dctr
12:55<simonlnu>thank you
12:55<David-BT5>Any Professional-advanced hacker here !?
12:55<David-BT5>need some Help with Metasploit too.
12:56<David-BT5>Plz. ill appreciate your help
12:56<aptosid777>god - google for ya ideas
12:56<aptosid777>i think the sny from 2001 10" with some about 166MHZ is perhaps, without ramneed quickr than the mid212 quadcore.... quite bizarre
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12:57<aptosid777>dvd: if ya need profess., hire them!
12:57<zafir>hey someone here could help me, with: mount: protocol not supported on nfs root?
12:57<aptosid777>thats a good made quest, zafyr!
12:58<zafir>aptosid777 no idea?
12:58<aptosid777>why the chickens always want some prof-ears, like doggies, to do their work???
12:58<aptosid777>let me think
12:59<aptosid777>what happened exactly?
12:59<simonlnu>zafir: dunno, flash thought, but include an /etc/services file in the initrd? i've never seen such oddity on nfsroot. protocol version... mismatch between nfs v3 and 4 or such?
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13:00<simonlnu>zafir: last line or second to last: "Begin running /scripts/nfs/-premount" missing arg there, i think
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13:01<zafir>simonlnu I don't think it's about version, all machines have all versions
13:01<aptosid777>zafir: looks like programmr error
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13:01<zafir>simonlnu which kind of argument?
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13:02<aptosid777>zafir: u have possiblity to check the nfs log?
13:02<aptosid777>zafir: or the log while mounting?
13:02<simonlnu>i don't know, find out :). looks like early pre-boot to me
13:03<zafir>I'm not sure cz it's diskless
13:03<Serverket>I have a query
13:03<simonlnu>likely to be in the initrd itself.
13:03<Serverket>What is the command line with I can know hom much memory from my video card I'm using?
13:03<zafir>aptosid777 how do you think could be possible to check logs?
13:03<aptosid777>in principal good questioned, but what lacks is the exact nfs error
13:04<Serverket>because I have a nvidia gt 8600 512mb but some applications say I'm using just 270mb
13:04<aptosid777>eG with etterCAP?
13:04<aptosid777>i mean a programm that checks the network flow?
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13:04<zafir>aptosid777 to change the the mount line to verbose mode?
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13:04<aptosid777>perhaps - but u could go directly online
13:04-!-desulator [] has quit []
13:05<aptosid777>then u perhaps see a package, which description
13:05<zafir>need to think away
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13:06<zafir>aptosid777 what output means with protocol, tcp, udp?
13:07<zafir>I think there is not much possibilities
13:08<crose>hello, i would like to visit this site :, but it needs webgl and i haven't found how to enable it in firefox 16. Even after setting the variable 'webgl.force-enabled' to true, the site still doesn't work.
13:08<aptosid777>r there othr good benchmarks, than this closdsorce?
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13:09<Serverket>Please, What is the command line with I can know hom much memory from my video card I'm using?
13:09<Serverket>I have a nvidia gt 8600 512mb but some applications say I'm using just 270mb
13:10<TCW>Serverket, is it possible you mix something up there?
13:11<aptosid777>free -m shows mainram
13:11<zafir>aptosid777 nice link, will check out
13:11<aptosid777>zafir: c3wl
13:11<Serverket>no, I have installed all from official repositories an all is normal via synaptic
13:11<TCW>Serverket, and how much RAM a card has... check Xorg.0.log. Or if you are running the blob I guess nvidia-config does tell you that in some tab of the ui.
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13:11<Serverket>I just I feel I'm not using all the gpn
13:11<aptosid777>whats about /proc ?
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13:13<aptosid777>he dmtr
13:13<TCW>Serverket, you know what "blob" means?
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13:14<aptosid777>less /proc/iomem - perhaps u can check it out - where space is located.
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13:14<aptosid777>if u got the located area, u could go further and check if area is filled
13:15<TCW>Serverket, so... why didn't you ask? ;)
13:15<Serverket>I installed all by the normal way, using dkms
13:15<TCW>Serverket, blob means the binary and non-free drivers from nvidia and not the free and open source drivers the fine community has built...
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13:16<Serverket>got it, I'm using nvidia driver (blob?)
13:16<TCW>serok... run nvidia-config
13:17<TCW>Serverket, err... sorry, nvidia-settings
13:17<aptosid777>20200000-40003fff this is eG my RAMS area - now u could check what is excactly changing where the pointr, stands?
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13:17<aptosid777>is it ALL real memory, or some from MAINSYSTEM?
13:18<towo`>nvidia-smi shows installed and used vram
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13:19<aptosid777>deb-repo, or CS?
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13:20<Serverket>nvidia-smi is a command line?
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13:20<Serverket>because it doesn't work
13:20<TCW>aptosid777, are you waering sun-glasses and a leather jacket at the moment?
13:20<towo`>Serverket, install it
13:20<TCW>Serverket, no idea about nvidia-smi (ask towo about that) but I suggest nvidia-settings and that is a binary
13:20<aptosid777>im wearing a brown shirt at the moment, suspenders, shoes for hills and a blue dockrs-trousers.
13:21<Serverket>I installed both
13:21<zafir>aptosid777 will turn server firewall off to test
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13:22<aptosid777>TCW with kamerka
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13:23<aptosid777>TCW U?
13:23<TCW>Serverket, looks fine
13:24<fcrs>anyone use Asterisk's conference calling feature? i can't find via any wheezy package, pretty sure it's going to require recompiling
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13:24<Serverket>you think so? in using 30% of my gpu just with gnome3
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13:24<Serverket>that's not fine to me, I see why I lost too much fps in gaming
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13:25<TCW>Serverket, not 30% of your GPU, just 30% of the VRAM and that is quiete normal. Run a 3D app and you will see that it will use more then
13:25<aptosid777>also temprtrue read, as stated here:
13:25<zafir>aptosid777 improvement... 2 ways -> eth0 can't be up or nfs4.1 version missing what u think about?
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13:26<aptosid777>zafir? nfs? i have no clue, why eth is having hangs...
13:26<TCW>Serverket, in other words, the system does use all of the available VRAM, but right now only 30% are needed.
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13:27<Serverket>how can I deactivate those "fancy" effects on desktop, when I execute glxgear I see some lagging and my frame rate is 300 when I used to have 1000 or more on lxde
13:28<Serverket>how can I do that?
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13:28<TCW>Serverket, gnome-shell?
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13:28<zafir>how to set nfsv4_1 ??
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13:29<TCW>Serverket, gnome-shell relies on those fancy effects. If you don't want them don't use gnome-shell.
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13:29<TCW>Serverket, and most importantly, glxgears is NOT a benachmark
13:29<TCW>benchmark even
13:30<aptosid777>is there a robust and interfacing benchmark OSrcd?
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13:31<Serverket>I see
13:32<Serverket>another question: how do I extract a .tar.gz file?
13:32<TCW>Serverket, consequently gnome-shell does not work on gfx chips / drivers that have no (or too little) 3D acceleration
13:33<lostatwork>Serverket: tar zxvf file.tar.gz
13:33<aptosid777>man gunzip
13:33<TCW>Serverket, with tar?
13:33<aptosid777>man tar
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13:33<Serverket>I don't so expert using commands
13:33<TCW>Serverket, or any of the gui-archive-managers, like file-roller on gnome
13:34<aptosid777>there are gui for it..
13:34<Serverket>I had years without using Debian
13:34<aptosid777>its posix stndrd
13:34<Serverket>it doesn't work with
13:34<Serverket>I'm not so silly to not try right button > extract here
13:35<aptosid777>aha - and ?
13:35<aptosid777>not functional?
13:35<TCW>Serverket, I don't use gnome-shell, no idea if gnome-shell has that built-in in its context-emnu... heck, I don't even know if it has a context menu anymore
13:36<Serverket>haha, it has
13:36<TCW>Serverket, expect it to be dropped in the near future ;)
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13:37<aptosid777>from man tar: Extract all files from archive.tar.
13:37<aptosid777> tar -xf archive.tar
13:37<TCW>Serverket, anyway, check if tar on the command line / terminal can extract the archive... I think maybe the archive is broken if file-roller can't open it.
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13:37<aptosid777>before a gunzip archive.tar.gz
13:38<aptosid777>this should work - need a script?
13:38<TCW>Serverket, that said, open a terminal, cd to the path you want that archive extracted to, then run: tar xvzf /path/to/your-archive.tar.gz
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13:38<TCW>/path/to/your-archive.tar.gz <<--- that is not meant literally, just change that to the path the archive is located
13:38<aptosid777>its clear 4 him
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13:38<aptosid777>hes just not doin it
13:39<Serverket>I'm doing it
13:39<aptosid777>great file?
13:40<Serverket>I did something wrong
13:40<Serverket>Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar.gz that's the file
13:40<Serverket>I'm on the terminal, inside the folder
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13:40<aptosid777>want to rename? mv P.. p.tgz
13:40*EdePopede normally uses xterm+mc and there tar xzvf %D/%F
13:41<TCW>Serverket, I suggest you ignore aptosid777 (for the moment at least)
13:41<aptosid777>TCW: why that CHIKKY?
13:41<Serverket>I'll rename the fole
13:41<aptosid777>TCW: is he ur customr?
13:41<TCW>Serverket, no need to
13:41<Serverket>I'm following him
13:42<Serverket>so what should I do?
13:42<aptosid777>???? goto dir and extract
13:42<Serverket>gz xzfv Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar.gz ... ?
13:42<TCW>Serverket, you are in the folder where the archive is located? Is that the same folder you want it to be extracted to?
13:42<Serverket>I am
13:42<aptosid777>gunzip Polon...
13:42<Serverket>It is
13:42<aptosid777>tar -xf Polo..
13:42<TCW>Serverket, then just: tar xvzf Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar.gz
13:43<aptosid777>man is for reading
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13:43<Serverket>it says it is not a tar archive
13:43<aptosid777>and why exactly is the programm broken.
13:44<aptosid777>file corrupt?
13:44<aptosid777>download again?
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13:44<TCW>Serverket, run this: file Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar.gz
13:44<aptosid777>sure its GZ
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13:44<TCW>and paste what it says here
13:44<Serverket>the file is fine, is just I don't know how to open .gz
13:44<Serverket>yes, It is
13:45<TCW>Serverket, .gz is gzip and tar does understand gzip IF you used the "z" switch
13:45<aptosid777>gzip -d
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13:45<TCW>which you did if you followed what I said
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13:45<aptosid777>man do step by step
13:46<aptosid777>first unzip it
13:46<aptosid777>then untar
13:46<ompaul>Serverket: there are several ways tar xvf will work
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13:46<ompaul>gnu tar is very forgiving
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13:46<TCW>Serverket, I said IGNORE aptosid777!
13:46<aptosid777>do step by step
13:46<aptosid777>first unzip
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13:46<aptosid777>and if u do with not step by step do it clean pastin
13:47<Serverket>okay okay
13:47<TCW>Serverket, and pleas: file Poly*
13:47<aptosid777>IGNORE TCW
13:47<aptosid777>he can do what he want - but to understand a think - he had to step2step
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13:48<TCW>Serverket, that is the same as before...
13:48<aptosid777>gunzip Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar.gz
13:48<Serverket>tar xzvg¡
13:48<aptosid777>try the output here
13:48<Serverket>tar xzvg?
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13:48<aptosid777>too complicated 4 u - try the little steps
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13:49<ompaul>Serverket: what does "file Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar.gz" return
13:49<aptosid777>hahaha superUSR!
13:49<aidalgol>In gnome3, how can I change the modifier key for dragging windows? Right now it's Alt, and that gets in the way of some programs.
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13:50<TCW>Serverket, "nothing" is basically not possible
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13:51<Serverket>what command do you suggest?
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13:52<TCW>Serverket, file Poly* and paste that
13:52<ompaul>Serverket: md5sum Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar.gz
13:52<TCW>still the same, as "nothing" is not possible there
13:52<TCW>it should at least give "data" back
13:52<ompaul>it;s a slow linx
13:53<aptosid777>so ive done it. created an archive .tar.gz. THEN GUNZIP +.tar.gz | THEN tar -xf +.tar
13:53<aptosid777>then its laying in ordr-dir
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13:53<aptosid777>theres no problem, if u make some about? have u an "corrupt-file-system"?
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13:54<ompaul>Serverket: gunzip Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar.gz ; tar xvf Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar
13:54<Serverket>md5sum Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar.gz
13:54<aptosid777>about that way
13:54<aptosid777>hey where the file 2 download?
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13:55<ompaul>Serverket: md5sum Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar.gz should give you: 6470491f5a78cfdb1aef000d3c15ea96 Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar.gz
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13:56<ompaul>Serverket: if it does not then you have not got the file downloaded correctly
13:56<Serverket>6470491f5a78cfdb1aef000d3c15ea96 Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar.gz
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13:56<aptosid777>it he has that file
13:56<ompaul>Serverket: so now do what I last said: gunzip Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar.gz ; tar xvf Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar
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13:56<aptosid777>just the gunzip
13:56<aptosid777>a .tar now?
13:57<TCW>ompaul, could you confirm that tar does not work on that file?
13:57<Serverket>It's done!!! Yay! but why the output file is with a lock?
13:57<ompaul>Serverket: you now have a directory with Polynomial-free-132_linux
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13:57<Serverket>but it has a lock
13:57<ompaul>TCW: yeah
13:57<ompaul>TCW: but it worked the other way ...
13:58<TCW>ompaul, that is odd...
13:58<aptosid777>and what do u see it - on console - or where?
13:58<ompaul>TCW: very
13:58<aptosid777>tcw HAHA
13:58<TCW>file output would be really interesting... what the heck, I'll doenload it too :/
13:58<aptosid777>yeah where 2 download?
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13:59<Serverket>it was successfull
13:59<aptosid777>haha - yes - but WHY
13:59<Serverket>It's a game
13:59<Serverket>an interesting game
13:59<ompaul>TCW: have a look at the pm
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14:00<Serverket>I mean, why is the folder locked?
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14:00<aptosid777>loadin it
14:00<ompaul>Serverket: what kind of system are you running it should be owned by the person running "tar"
14:00<TCW>Serverket, ls -l
14:01<aptosid777>dunno - r u access? have ya root access?
14:01<aptosid777>man chown man chmod
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14:03<TCW>mschmitt@adrastea:/tmp/test$ gunzip ../Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar.gz
14:03<TCW>mschmitt@adrastea:/tmp/test$ file ../Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar
14:03<TCW>../Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Wed Jul 11 10:07:53 2012
14:04<TCW>double compressed?
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14:05<ompaul>TCW: so whoever built it as that package didn't know what they were doing
14:05<TCW>mschmitt@adrastea:/tmp/test$ zcat ../Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar >out.tar
14:05<TCW>mschmitt@adrastea:/tmp/test$ file out.tar
14:05<TCW>out.tar: POSIX tar archive (GNU)
14:05<Serverket>for sure
14:05<Serverket>It doesn't work even
14:05<Serverket>lost of my gamer time
14:06<simonlnu>TCW: yes doubled
14:06<aptosid777>by me its the usr that xtract - the ownr of dir and subdir and files
14:06<TCW>ompaul, agreed... but does tar use "z" if needed automatically these days? Otherwise gunzip and tar xvf would not work...
14:06<aptosid777>here its workin
14:06<Serverket>It is
14:06<simonlnu>TCW: well, it's the default (de)compression program, so it might
14:06<Serverket>It worked with me, right?
14:07<aptosid777>bin Polynomial32 Polynomial64 readme.html
14:07<Serverket>I mean the command line, the game is crap.
14:07<aptosid777>no with myself with aptosid
14:07<aptosid777>try 2 understand CHMOD
14:07<aptosid777>and CHOWN
14:07<aptosid777>then it should be crackable
14:07<ompaul>aptosid777: please shhh
14:07<aptosid777>guut and bettr
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14:07<Serverket>I'll read those man
14:08*simonlnu sighs
14:08<aptosid777>c3wl !
14:08<ompaul>those scripts have expectations
14:08<aptosid777>but i think u h4v3 not xtracted it till now.
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14:08<ompaul>that's never going to be good
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14:09<ompaul>TCW: I use tar xvf on gzipped files all the time
14:09<ompaul>TCW: and bzip2 files they leave the original
14:09<aptosid777>could do so - use psix-norm
14:09<EdePopede>d617ab9dccce467461f4502c9d42c171 Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar.gz <<< ehm... not that i'd want to confuse someone, but....
14:09<ompaul>so I get to bunzip and continue etc
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14:09<Serverket>query, what is posix?
14:09<aptosid777>but ede?
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14:09<aptosid777>give u link
14:10<aptosid777>NORM WITH UNIX
14:10<EdePopede>md5 is different from the both above?
14:10<TCW>ompaul, damn... all those years me wasting so much time typing "z"! :)
14:10<ompaul>EdePopede: how did I get the same one as Serverket ...
14:10<TCW>btw. that thing crashes here too, segfault
14:10<aptosid777> PSX
14:11<ompaul>TCW: read those scripts
14:11<aptosid777>? i xtractd
14:11<TCW>ompaul, *eeks*
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14:11<ompaul>EdePopede: yes
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14:13<EdePopede>ok, that's interesting
14:13<EdePopede>i used wget before, now i downloaded again using firefox
14:14<simonlnu>you'll get double gzipped if you download it a certain way
14:14<EdePopede>6470491f5a78cfdb1aef000d3c15ea96 _Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar.gz <<< download #2 with firefox
14:14<ompaul>simonlnu: I used a web browser
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14:14<simonlnu>a client that supports gzip will fetch it via gzip, and save it that way, so when you go to extract it, it'll be doubled.
14:14<aptosid777>buts thats client stff
14:15<simonlnu>that's why you don't also have file.tar.gz.gz
14:15<ompaul>EdePopede: thats 6470491f5a78cfdb1aef000d3c15ea96 Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar.gz
14:15<simonlnu>(even though that's what you have)
14:15<ompaul>simonlnu: why the hell would iceweasel do that :)
14:15<simonlnu>aptosid777: wget is also a client...
14:16<aptosid777>7bebdfa8ca3f3bc85c753f11ae2ce4ed Polynomial-free-132_linux.tar.gz but i zipped it 4myself again
14:16<aptosid777>sure simon. but it works as supposed
14:16<simonlnu>because you're not telling wget to use gzip to fetch the file...
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14:17<aptosid777>sure it just should load and not touch it anyways
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14:18<TCW>nice gfx... lame gameplay
14:19<aptosid777>hey but selfcodd? its nothing to compr - and perhaps is meant that way - doyaOWN and get same critccs.
14:19<Serverket>going out, thanks for your help everyone ^^ have a good day, God bless you.
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14:20<EdePopede>Content-Length: 79277601 and Content-Type: application/x-gzip is what curl -I says – and it is the size of the 1st try with wget - so for some reason the .gz is gzipped a 2nd time before delivering
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14:20<aptosid777>just reproduce it. try to wget URL. md5 file => gives d617ab9dccce467461f4502c9d42c171
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14:21<simonlnu>i bet it says the same if you turn compression on in curl ;p (but different C-L)
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14:22<aptosid777>mhh used the -free url...
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14:24<aptosid777>but this should be the right...
14:24<aptosid777>nah topicchange.
14:24<aptosid777>was a good trick to make some ad' for som unkown'!
14:25<EdePopede>does it need openGL?
14:25<aptosid777>is there any GUI benchmrk???
14:25<aptosid777>i want to check - if DE is at FPS as on othr hrdwre.
14:26<dpkg>benchmark is probably $ time foo;
14:26<aptosid777>u mean chnnl
14:26<engla>you could test a real application
14:26<aptosid777>thats not counting a fps?
14:27<aptosid777>yes eG flash app - BUt.... slow
14:28<aptosid777>its the quest - for a quick comptr, i got another one, was quick as... a mbookair13 i used before was quick. this 15inch is slowly.
14:28<engla>dual graphics are problematic with linux
14:28<aptosid777>i think so
14:28<engla>dual graphics cards
14:29<aptosid777>but also on mountain lion the 15 inch was informed as 13inch...
14:29<aptosid777>then en EFI update came via Appstor.
14:29<aptosid777>but performance lecks, only in VM on MOS was quick (win8(
14:30<aptosid777>) so i really am confused, why VM is quick, and ground sys slow..
14:31<aptosid777>it was quick on Mlion. but now on a aptosid sys - its very slow... i just had no graphics at all. perhaps the drivrs are not there? any chance for usb3?
14:31<aptosid777>VM (virtualbox) was quick on Mlion.
14:32<chealer>!tell aptosid777 about enter
14:32<simonlnu>don't expect any sort of support in here for either of those.
14:32<aptosid777>yo chl
14:32<aptosid777>howto mbpromid12?
14:32<simonlnu>try english too
14:32<aptosid777>any xpr?
14:33<aptosid777>is there a mbook on debian area?
14:33<aptosid777>i once was at linuxday in giessen, they showed me some whitebooks with, GENTOO?
14:33<aptosid777>was some interesting stuff - installin
14:34<simonlnu>debian area?
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14:36<aptosid777>is there an special macbook-package that does some hinting?
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14:49<aptosid777>trit it gentoo-disco
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14:50<zafir>have debian support for nfsv4.1 and pnfs ?
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14:55<simonlnu>nfs4 yes. dunno what pnfs is
14:55<simonlnu>(that's kernel support btw... and the nfs packages)
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14:56<ompaul>Parallel NFS: Read / Write Hundreds of Gigabytes Per Second
14:57<ompaul>if you can afford that kind of hardware you have the engineers to work it out ;-)
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15:04<simonlnu>meh. probably in already. zafir: RTL
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15:04<simonlnu>erm, RTS
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15:21<zafir>in the case of a diskless machine, how to export the startup output on the machine to the server, to be possible to check eventualy errors?
15:22<zafir>thinking in the case u couldn't start the system, will not complete the task to export some output
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15:35<simonlnu>log your /dev/log output to a remote server
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17:58<rupix>hello all
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17:59<rupix>i want to know if you can set the scroll speed on mouse...
17:59<rupix>is possible?
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18:00<chealer>rupix: which desktop environment do you use?
18:00<rupix>hi chealer. i want beginner in linux...probably gnome
18:01<rupix>what you mean?
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18:04<chealer>rupix: the desktop environment defines the applications and the control center you get by default. if you don't know, you must be using GNOME indeed (GNOME's logo is a foot)
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18:05<rupix>yes...gnome is
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18:07<abrotman>rupix: gnome2 and gnome3 have an applet to configure the mouse acceleration
18:07<rupix>my current scroll is very fast...
18:08<rupix>and were is that?
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18:10<abrotman>are you using 2 or 3?
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18:11<abrotman>rupix: check Preferences or System Settings
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18:12<rupix>where exactly?
18:12<rupix>in mouse preferences?
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18:24<rupix>any sugestion?
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18:26<ryan_>Anyone tried installing debian on a macbook pro before? Seems it will not boot, I didnt think refit was a requirement...
18:26<ryan_>debian only I mean, so only OS on the disk is my goal
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18:29<engla>ryan_: how doesn't it boot?
18:30<plugwash>and what type of partition table did you use? and what bootloader?
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18:32<plugwash>and where did you install the bootloader, I have a feeling the macs bootloader may look in the partition boot sector rather than the MBR
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18:33<engla>macbooks have apple's implementation of EFI
18:34<rupix>no answer for my problem...
18:34<rupix>not is possible to change my scroll speed in gnome?
18:35<ryan_>bootloader grub
18:36<ryan_>engla: It just shows a Folder icon with a question mark in the the middle and the fresh debian wheezy install does not boot
18:36<plugwash>ryan_, what type of partition table did you use? and where did you install grub?
18:37<engla>I use the efi version of grub on a macbook, but wheezy's installer does not install that by default
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18:37<engla>I don't think debian supports the installation properly
18:38<ryan_>Sorry booting up a livecd now to take a look at the partitions again
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18:39<Nemoder>rupix: I don't know if that's possible to do system-wide, you might try this for just iceweasel:
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18:42<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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18:43<rupix>yes... Nemoder thanks...but this not solve my problem...any sugestion?
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18:45<Nemoder>from what I understand the scrollwheel is treated as buttons and not an axis, I don't think applications can deal with speed for it very well
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18:46<Nemoder>but I could be wrong, you could look at the kernel driver source to see
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18:47<krd>Nemoder, why not? Just tracking 'pressed' count in intervals less than was set in app.
18:48<Nemoder>I think that's what iceweasel does, but I don't kow if gtk has any such option
18:48<krd>if interval between mousewheel events is exceeded - reset count
18:48<krd>i don't recommend you to dive into ff source :)
18:49<krd>btw, i've strange Q about kernel, modules and firmware blobs.
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18:50<krd>my good friend and co-worker has a far-far-away server on ubuntu 12.04 (sic!), amd64.
18:50<stderr>krd: I got a strange answer: 42.
18:51<krd>nope, i've tried that.
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18:55<krd>current kernel version is 3.2.0 (just version, don't mind), new kernel version is 3.6.6.
18:55<krd>furthermore, latest firmware packages (no matter where - debian or ubuntu) don't contain firmware blob required by kernel module.
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18:56<krd>so, Q: how to determine which firmware blob was loaded by kernel || how to get firmware blob from kernel memory?
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18:58<krd>NB: reloading module with no reason or j4f is _not_ recommended action nor solution.
18:58<simonlnu>start with looking in /lib/firmware .
18:58<krd>not present
18:58<krd>3.2.0 & 3.6.6 have 'many(-many)+' differences
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19:00<krd>i've looked in module sources briefly and can't consider which criteria for loading that one prefer to others blobs.
19:01<krd>`lscpu -vvv -s' has no answer to it.
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19:06<krd>btw, i've found 'rom' file in `find /sys/ -name 'eth0' -type d -exec ls -l {}/device/ \;'
19:07<krd>does that pseudofile denotes firmware?
19:08<krd>despite it's 0600 access, i can't even read from it.
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19:14<krd>oh God, i've forgot! i've that blob file, and even can compile in kernel (just 3 minutes to smoke), but it is not a monk way :)
19:15<krd>the way - determine whether that blob is nesessary for module and nic or not.
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19:19<krd>everyone who is also interested in solving that [strange] Q: try `find /sys/devices -name rom -type f -exec ls -l {} \+'
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19:20<stderr>krd: + is enough, you don't need \+.
19:22<krd>stderr: you're right.
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19:32<krd>русские, либо, спят...
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20:36<kommony>hello i was wondering if removing openbox will affect also GNOME/openbox
20:37<kommony>or it will only disappear from gdm3
20:39<sney>removing openbox will affect anything that uses openbox
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20:39<kommony>when i first installed wheezy i istalled some de's
20:40<kommony>and i accidentally added openbox
20:40<kommony>did not realize there was already GNOME/openbox option
20:40<kommony>and i think that messed up original GNOME/openbox
20:41<krd>as quick-n-dirty solution - is your drive tight?
20:41<kommony>is it possible?
20:41<kommony>what do u mean krd?
20:42<krd>just keep it and do not touch.
20:42<krd>...while it's working 8)
20:42<kommony>yep that was i was thinking
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20:43<krd>try using aptitude in interactive mode to (re)install/remove packages and solve dll^W dependencies hell :)
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20:44<kommony>will try that
20:45<kommony>if anything goes wrong...see u soon
20:45<krd>use with caution - it may hurt your system and even kill several hours of your life.
20:46<kommony>but do u think installing openbox can actually affect original GNOME/openbox in any way?
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20:47<krd>what said package manager for (cross)-dependencies?
20:47<kommony>i havent check i installed floxbox icewm blackbox AND openbox at the same time
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20:48<kommony>i let it go with the flow
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20:48<krd>dude, really, you don't need that zoo of de's.
20:49<kommony>i'm running wheezy on an eeebox
20:49<krd>what it means?
20:50<krd>nice to meet you, brother - lenovo s100 on intel atom.
20:50<kommony>acer revo here
20:51<kommony>what's ur de ?
20:51<krd>since gnome 3 was released i had decided to use kde instead of gnome. btw, my colleague found gnome 3 as pretty nice de.
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20:52<kommony>been using salixos fluxbox for quiet a while
20:52<kommony>and it worked like a charm
20:52<kommony>but now i want a rolling distro
20:52<krd>did you heard about `awesome' ?
20:52<kommony>i tried absolute
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20:53<kommony>but it's buggy
20:53<kommony>actually gnome classic is still appealing
20:54<krd>kommony, unstable + experimental is quite usable.
20:54<kommony>kde has that windows look 'n feel that is nearly disgusting
20:55<krd>i chosen kde just because of network manager applet, honestly.
20:56<kommony>awesome looks like ratpoison in the scvreenshots
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20:57<krd>i'm network engineer in fttx company thus i'm interested in usable (for me) network applet.
20:57<basic_bot>Hi everybody!
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20:58<kommony>anyway i will try to see if i can remove it
20:58<kommony>with no damage
20:58<kommony>good nite everyone
20:58<krd>you may remove all de's and x's and then install again like from netinstall.
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20:59<kommony>tomorrow will be a looooooong day
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21:01<krd>hell yeah, tomorrow... now is 6:00 am in my tz (gmt+4). go sleep or continue asm coding? %)
21:01<krd>afk for smoke.
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21:07<krd>good night/day for everyone.
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21:21<zkutch>Hello. Use wine-1.4.1 on wheezy, have error "err:ole:CoUninitialize Mismatched CoUninitialize" - anybody have similar? thanks
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21:30<basic_bot>Hi everybody!
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21:48<river>Would you please recommand a laptop for Debian 6.0? I wish I can run MS Visual Studio 2012/2010 on a Windows 7 virtual machine on Debian to develop something. Thank you.
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21:55<sney>river: kind of offtopic, but I lean towards IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad laptops because there's a wiki listing all of their capabilities and support with linux (thinkwiki)
21:55<sney>and you'll want something that has a processor with the VT bit for the virtual machine.
22:00<river>Thanks Sney, I'll check the wiki.
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22:24<river>Thanks sney and bye.
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22:47<Merovoth>Don't people talk in these rooms?
22:47<themill>Merovoth: this is a user support channel. If there are no bugs, there's nothing to discuss.
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22:48<Merovoth>Oh, I'm sorry. I'm new to IRC. I'm trying to learn how it works.
22:48<Merovoth>I'm used to other kinds of chat rooms.
22:49<themill>Merovoth: there's #moocows or #debian-offtopic for social chatter
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22:50<Merovoth>Let me see if I can figure out how to go into another room. Thanks for your patience w/me...
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22:51<Merovoth>So, What? Am I in two rooms at the same time, now?
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23:49<Web-aptosid466>hello, what is the command line to go into sleep mode?
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23:51<LtL>Web-aptosid466: type pm<tab>
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---Logclosed Sun Nov 18 00:00:31 2012