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---Logopened Mon Nov 19 00:00:32 2012
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00:50<ext5>does anyone know anything on how i can fix a overheat issue. fancontrol is sloppy
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00:52<sney>ext5: clean your fans/heatsinks/case
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00:53<ext5>sney, i can see right through the fins of the heatsink
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00:54<sney>if you have thermal problems with or without fancontrol then you have hardware problems. something is wrong. old fans/worn bearings? bad airflow? bad heat transfer from cpu to heatsink, etc?
00:55<sney>start at layer 1
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00:57<ext5>sney, i see where your getting at. that was my first obvious clue. but that its not any of the problem. when i run sudo pwmconfig. fan fan gets turned up all the way to 5000rpm.
00:58<sney>and it sounds like a jet engine in your case, and at that point it starts cooling properly?
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01:01<ext5>sney, yes
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01:01<sney>hardware problem.
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01:02<ext5>sney, so you mean to say that if someone else run pwmconfig..their fan will smooth out and not hitting the max rpm
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01:02<sney>I can't speak to that. but if your fan only works when it's at full speed, then there is a hardware problem.
01:04<jardiamj>Hi guys, I wanted to install the gedit-developer-plugins package, but the only repository I could find was for Ubuntu so I added that rep to my sources.list and installed the package.
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01:04<sney>jardiamj: and now you're here because you realized how bad of an idea that was?
01:04<jardiamj>is that something acceptable? or what is recommended in these cases?
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01:05<ext5>sney, thanks
01:06<sney>jardiamj: it's never recommended to add repos from other operating systems to debian
01:06<jardiamj>well it seems to have installed OK, but now I am afraid I might mess up my system
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01:06<jardiamj>so, is it better to install from source rather than add the repo from other OS?
01:07<sney>generally if something is only available in another distro, the first step is to check if it's in a differently named package in debian (apt-file is useful for this) and if that doesn't work, then go to the source, grab the .dsc, and follow
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01:08<jardiamj>thanks sney, I'll go over and read that I don't want to mess my Debian
01:09<sney>and yes remove that ubuntu package and remove the ubuntu repo from your sources
01:12<jardiamj>I guess the longer will be the better one... I'll do that
01:14<sney>the shorter instructions are really only suited to repackaging things from newer or older debian versions. the .dsc instructions apply to anything on a debian-ish packaging system. the only question is dependencies.
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01:32<jardiamj>sney, this package only exist for Ubuntu but I should be able to use the .dsc file anyway, right?
01:32<sney>yes, it tells the dpkg source tools what to do
01:33<jm_>as long as build dependencies are available in debian
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01:34<sney>right. and for something like gedit, they should be
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01:35<jardiamj>yes, they are I already checked that up
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02:28<jardiamj>I had to backport one more package in order to build gedit-developer-plugins but it worked at the end
02:29<jardiamj>I have just done my first backport
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03:54<frost>hey all
03:55<frost>i'm trying to install skype 4.1 on squeeze 6.0.6 64 bit
03:56<frost>is there someone who can help me?
03:56<perlwizard>it depends
03:56<perlwizard>do you beleive in god ?
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03:57<kmz>frost what's your problem?
03:57<simonlnu>believe*. not supported here really. since it's not a debian package.
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03:58<frost>i read this
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03:59<frost>but when i put dpkg --add-architecture i386
03:59<kmz>it's unavailable in stable AFAIR
03:59<frost>get this dpkg: unknown option --add-architecture
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04:00<kmz>From Wheezy onwards, Debian supports Multi-Arch.
04:00<kmz>it's a copy-paste from wiki
04:00<kmz>"Non-Multi-Arch (traditional way, also works in Squeeze)"
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04:00<kmz>again copy-paste from the same page
04:01<kmz>and it says you only need to execute 3 commands
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04:02<frost>OK, 10x for the info
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04:43<lomha>i have just made a directory 'web' into my home folder with apache virtual server, and my problem is, i can not write in it, 'permission denied'
04:43<ectospasm>lomha: what is the user of the process that is trying to write to the directory?
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04:44<lomha>i made it as a root user, but i would like to access it with another one
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04:44<ectospasm>lomha: do you want that user to be be the owner of the directory?
04:45<ectospasm>chown -R <user> /path/to/web
04:46<lomha>and with other users? what should i do to avoid this problem for new users?
04:47<ectospasm>lomha: don't create the directory as root
04:47<ectospasm>...create it as the user in question
04:52<lomha>so at each apache host i need to chown the directory right?
04:53<ectospasm>probably. YMMV
04:53<lomha>ok, thank you :)
04:53<ectospasm>I can't say for certain since I don't know the full extent of what you're trying to do
04:54<lomha>make a virtual webserver to each user
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05:06<ectospasm>lomha: um, see virtual hosts, and ~/Public directories in the apache configuration documentation.
05:07<jm_>it's ~/public_html for the default userdir.conf
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05:11<lomha>ill check it, thanks
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05:25<boss>hi there
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05:26<Guest6085>How do I identify the driver / module associated to a certain major number e.g 5
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05:32<dpkg>Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
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05:32<quietone>I've just reinstalled and grub can't find the UUID. what now?
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05:42<jm_>Guest6013: this shall give some hints (not all lines are releveant): ls -l /dev | grep '5, '
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05:43<jm_>quietone: when running grub-install?
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05:53<quietone>jm_, i've not tried grub-install
05:54<jm_>quietone: how do you get grub can't find UUID messasge then? at boot?
05:56<jm_>check if UUID-s in grub.cfg match the actual FS ones
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06:00<quietone>jm_, the UUID in grub.cfg matches /dev/sdb2 - where I just installed squeeze
06:01<jm_>quietone: and /boot is not a separate partition?
06:01<quietone>jm_, no it isn't
06:02<tuxcrafter>who can point me to a spainish channel to ask somebody that lives in spain (malaga) a question about mobile internet sim cards
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06:08<jm_>quietone: hmm odd, are all relevant grub modules loaded?
06:09<quietone>jm_, don't know. what am I looking for?
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06:10<jm_>quietone: insmod lines in grub.cfg
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06:13<quietone>jm_, insmod part_msdos and insmod ext2
06:13<jm_>quietone: that's ok for standard installs where ext3 is used
06:15<quietone>jm_, good, i'm not trying to do anything fancy
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06:17<quietone>jm_, you mentioned grub-install, shall I try it?
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06:19<jm_>quietone: hmm I'm affraid I don't know what else to check; well you can try it, but I don't see why it would find the rootfs afterwards
06:20<kilelme>tuxcrafter: spain have iso code "es" right? you can ask /msg dpkg es
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06:35<quietone>jm_, I don't understand. Grub says no such device: 57e4.... but that UUID is not in grub.cfg where is it coming from?
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06:36<jm_>quietone: aha, so it may be loading some other config file/image, definitely try reinstalling it (but didn't installation ask you to install it?)
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06:38<quietone>jm_, yes, but it is late, maybe I made a mistake. You mean reinstall OS or grub-install
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06:41<jm_>quietone: reinstall grub
06:41<quietone>jm_, ah, something new to learn ;-)
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06:42<jm_>quietone: it's quite easy for simple setups, grub-install ...
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06:46<niels1>quietone, jm_, there's a UUID encoded into the first stage of grub, when neither the full grub nor the config file is loaded, yet. it needs it to find its config file. that happens when the UUID of the boot partition is different from when grub-install was last ran, so a grub-install should indeed fix it
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06:46<jm_>niels1: indeed, that's why I said to reinstall it
06:47<jm_>need to learn more about grub 2 - my knowledge is still all about grub 0.97 :)
06:47<jm_>which remained largely the same (except of stage 1.5 addition) as 0.4 when I started using it
06:48<quietone>jm_, that makes sense.
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06:48<quietone>jm_, is this right? grub-install --root-directory=/media/sdb2
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06:50<jm_>quietone: you don't to use --root-directory if /boot is not a separate partition, you want grub-install /dev/sdb (if sda is really not the rigth device)
06:50<jm_>don't need to*
06:50<quietone>jm_, ok
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06:52<quietone>jm, oh dear "grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?)"
06:52<jm_>quietone: are you doing this from a rescue medium?
06:52<niels1>quietone, have you bind mounted /dev /proc /sys? have you chrooted into the filesystem that is your target / ?
06:53<quietone>jm, no I grabbed a live CD
06:53<jm_>quietone: same deal
06:53<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
06:53<jm_>quietone: the above shall help
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06:57<meaustin>! rescue mode
06:57<dpkg>Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>.
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07:03<quietone>update-grub -> "Cannot find list of partitions! (Try mounting /sys)"
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07:06<jm_>you'll also need mount /sys
07:06<jm_>I'll fix the factoid if you confirm this fixes it for you
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07:08<quietone>jm_, progress. 'mount /sys' worked and update-grub completed
07:09<niels1>don't forget grub-install, if you haven't already done that
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07:09<niels1>update-grub just updates the grub.cfg file
07:09<jm_>quietone: good, I'll update the factoid (and you need grub-install, update-grub is not enough)
07:09<jm_>you want to recreate the intermediate image
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07:10<quietone>jm_, niels, it's booting now!
07:11<niels1>that's good then :)
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07:13<quietone>thank you so much! It's 1:15am and I'm off to sleep. My son will be happy I didn't break it ;-)
07:14<niels1>hehe, good night and sweet dreams :)
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07:19<jm_>bleh the factoid is quite long so something needs to be removed, probably best to shorten its first sentence
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07:20<jm_>alternatively the commands would be shorter if run in chroot
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07:21<niels1>jm_, one could probably replace each occurence of /target by /mnt, especially since /mnt usually exists and is empty
07:21<ectospasm>I make subdirs in /mnt, but that's personal preference.
07:22<niels1>ectospasm, yes, but on rescue and live media, /mnt is usually empty
07:22<jm_>niels1: you mean /mnt exists when booting d-i?
07:22<niels1>jm_, yes, i think so
07:22<niels1>jm_, but i'm not sure. haven't checked in a long time, so please don't take my word for it
07:23<jm_>that would gain 9 characters, not sure if that's enough
07:23<babilen>niels1: /target is in there for a good reason (d-i uses /target as mount point for the new installation)
07:24<niels1>babilen, i'm aware of that
07:24<babilen>ah, ok
07:26<jm_>however it shouldn't matter for this case if everything is replaced properly
07:26<gsimmons>jm_: You can remove the "also ask me about" line, as these are cross-referenced elsewhere.
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07:26<jm_>gsimmons: you mean even the factoids it mentions? ok
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07:28<babilen>jm_: You can easily trim a couple of function words and other unnecessary language cruft. (e.g. "simply", "whatever else you have", ...)
07:28<jm_>well in any case that can be shortened to See also
07:29<jm_>yeah I'll do all this and it shall be more than enough, thanks
07:29<babilen>thank you
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07:48<niels1>jm_, i just checked the squeeze business card installer (i'm on a slow connection), and it has /mnt both in normal and in rescue mode (i guess even the installer tries to follow the FHS)
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07:49<jm_>niels1: removing extra stuff was enough to fit the new command in the factoid, but thank you anyway
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08:00<super>i want to give a user sudo powers only to restart lightdm
08:01<super>i have tried "service lightdm restart" and "/sbin/restart lightdm" and they keep getting kicked out with errors
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08:01<super>what is the path i put in with visudo to give this power
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08:02<jm_>why not use /etc/init.d/lightdm?
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08:04<super>just tried that
08:04<super>and i have my user set up for NOPASSWD
08:04<super>but when trying to run the command (logged in as target user) it asks for his password
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08:05<super>making me beleive that it is the wrong command in the sudoers file
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08:06<jm_>'user ALL = NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/lightdm' or somesuch
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08:07<super>yes it is EXACTLY light that now
08:07<super>there error says it nees to be /sbin/init
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08:08<jm_>what is the exact error?
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08:08<super>well when i try and run the script it asks for a password, when i try the command "sudo service lightdm restart" it gives me "Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.73" (uid=33 pid=13360 comm="start lightdm ") interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Start" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init")"
08:09<super>but i dont want to tgive the user all init powers, only to restart lightdm
08:09<jm_>wait, are you using ubuntu?
08:09<super>yea, sooryy this is my ubuntu server
08:09<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
08:09<jm_>please ask there
08:09<super>not mu debian server
08:10<super>so even though i am here and the underpinings are exactly the same, and i have already laid it out, you wont help?
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08:11<abrotman>we don't know they are the same .. unless you're going to verify no Ubuntu patches have broken it, you can't say that either
08:11<super>ok ok , im sorry, i have both ubuntu and debian servers and i just stay in this chatroom
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08:11<abrotman>but i'm sure you'll ask your questions about this issue in #ubuntu, right?
08:11<super>sorry i will change room
08:12<jm_>actually it's not the same, upstart is not used by most debian users
08:12<super>didnt mean to offend the fanboys
08:12<super>so this is an upstart issue
08:12<super>i didnt think upstart dealt with light dm
08:13<jm_>I have no idea, but the error certainly seems to suggest it's involved
08:13<super>fair enough
08:13<super>thanks again
08:13<jm_>it would be involved with services, and lightdm is one of those
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08:36<wopples>can someone help me please ? :)
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08:37<wopples>anyone ?
08:37<jm_>can doctor help you if that's your first question?
08:37<wopples>no lol :p
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08:37<wopples>i need some help installing WoW on ubuntu, im kind of a noob at ubuntu :)
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08:38<jm_>!tell wopples -about ubuntu
08:38<abrotman>!ubuntuirc wopples
08:38<abrotman>eh ..
08:38<mehor>are you sure you're on the right channel? :D
08:39<wopples>im not sure tbh :/
08:39<mehor>try join #ubuntu
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08:39<wopples>i tried there is like 3 people in there
08:39<f8l>wopples: Try to do so on freenode.
08:40<mehor>i see 1666 currently
08:40<wopples>whats a free node ?
08:40<mehor>what IRC application are you using?
08:40<abrotman>wopples: in your IRC client, type "/server"
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08:40<abrotman>wopples: then "/join #ubuntu"
08:41<wopples>im in the #ubuntu
08:41<abrotman>this isn't it, good luck
08:41<wopples>there is like 3 people in there
08:41<abrotman>or ignore what we say ...
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08:42<towo^work>and btw, for WoW i would install windows
08:42<wopples>thank you for your'e help anyway :)
08:43<f8l>wopples: Just do what abrotman said. You may be in #ubuntu, but that's not the same #ubuntu you want to be in.
08:43<wopples>yeah ok ill try that
08:43<wopples>do i ut a space inbetween server and irc ?
08:43<Daviey>Probably best to avoid saying the U word.. you know how it upsets abrotman.
08:44<f8l>wopples: Yes.
08:44-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
08:44-!-Daviey was kicked from #debian by abrotman [you should know better]
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08:44<abrotman>He's repeatedly proving himself to be a problem.
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08:45<abrotman>I wouldn't even repeast what he's said to me in msg
08:45<mehor>wopples: if you have problems finding that channel, try "manual" way, in XChat go to "XChat > Network list"
08:45<mehor>find freenode and press "Connect"
08:46<mehor>then type in "/join #ubuntu", as said earlier
08:46<abrotman>mehor: he left already
08:46<mehor>ah, ok
08:46<f8l>I think he didn't make it…
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08:47<mehor>And I don't think he'll get that WoW going :)
08:47<Maulkin>He is no longer on the network.
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08:56<f8l>Funny thing is that when I joined #ubuntu @ OFTC I got a message from ChanServ, that „official #Ubuntu channel can be found on:”. ;-P
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08:58<niels1>well, if he didn't know the concept of different IRC networks, he wouldn't have understood what the message means
08:59<wompa>f8l, I fail to see the funny, no one here mentioned #ubuntu here at Oftc
08:59<babilen>Lets move on ...
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09:02<Eryn_1983_FL>hey peeps what package is the net command in? i cant seem to find. it i need to do a net ads join user@domain..
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09:04<babilen>!tell Eryn_1983_FL -about apt-file
09:04<Zaba>Eryn_1983_FL, apparently samba-common-bin
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09:04<f8l>wompa: wopples did. He said he was in #ubuntu and saw 3 people in there. I'm pretty sure he was talking about OFTC channel, because at the time it had 3 users.
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09:06<Eryn_1983_FL>net.samba3 ads join -U erin
09:06<Eryn_1983_FL> ....
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09:06<Eryn_1983_FL> why change the name, and confuse ppl?
09:06<Eryn_1983_FL>perhaps they though it would induce clairty of what it relates to?
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09:08<babilen>Eryn_1983_FL: "net" is a horribly generic name and upstream authors should be tarred and feathered whenever they feel like choosing one like this.
09:08<Zaba>they were just reusing the command name from windows, I believe
09:08<Eryn_1983_FL>yeah.. i suppose so
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09:08<Eryn_1983_FL>attleast i found it..
09:08<Eryn_1983_FL>i need to change me docs though
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09:10<babilen>Zaba: The same holds true for *every* operating system. Names such as "net", "node", "connect", ... are all a *very* bad idea and just cause pain for other people. "node" in particular was a major pain in the arse and I am personally pissed of with the nodejs community for not handling this better.
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09:10<Merovoth>Those bastards!
09:11<Zaba>babilen, well, the nodejs community is notable for not handling things well... but yes, overly generic command names for non-generic things are not nice
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09:21<Eryn_1983_FL>hey peeps what package do i need to the bridgin stuff for kvm and qemu.. i forgot..
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09:23<babilen>Eryn_1983_FL: -- learn about "virsh" + also read and consider using virt-manager
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09:24<babilen>Eryn_1983_FL: In particular defining the default network might help. Check "virsh net-list --all" and use "virsh net-define ..." to your liking.
09:28<Eryn_1983_FL>ok.. what is a pan0 ..
09:28<Eryn_1983_FL>i got one and i have no idea what it is...
09:29<niels1>sounds like a network interface to me
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09:30<Eryn_1983_FL>why is it pan0..
09:30<Eryn_1983_FL>never even seen that.
09:31<niels1>it might be a virtual network interface from your virtual machine
09:31<Eryn_1983_FL>yeah funky name
09:32<roughnecks>should be a Personal Area network: do you have bluetooth?
09:32<Eryn_1983_FL>it worked i change br0 to pan0.
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09:32<Eryn_1983_FL>no wifi
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09:41<SynrG>Eryn_1983_FL: probably the bluetooth stack is installed by default. not sure if it actually requires hardware to create a pan0 interface
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09:58<crypticmofo>today is d-day im backing up 3 directories from archlinux (main os) rming it and using that space to resize my debian install
09:58<crypticmofo>im so excited
09:59<OdyX>why only 3 ?
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10:00<SynrG>/home /etc /var ?
10:00*SynrG shrugs
10:01<Eryn_1983_FL>hey peeps i got it work worke i had to usr brctl lol, now i need to know how to remove some old nic card from my guest, its using eth3 at the nic now and i need to get rid of eth0 1 2 from my system
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10:01<crypticmofo>OdyX, nothing important there
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10:01<crypticmofo>SynrG, im still new meaning my parition layout is all on 1 parition
10:01<crypticmofo>i know i need to sperate them
10:02<SynrG>not really
10:02<SynrG>i was just speculating about which dirs you saved from the old system
10:02<crypticmofo>none really that i need
10:02<crypticmofo>i don't think
10:04<Eryn_1983_FL>i got it hehe
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10:25<crypticmofo>so im dual booting archlinux and debian right .. archlinux is using grub too boot archlinux .. archlinux is on /dev/sda6 boot = /dev/sda5 and debian is on /dev/sda7 .. i know i need to delete archlinux and put that space to debian .. my question is do i just install grub on debian and point it to /dev/sda5 so it will boot ?
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10:35<fantastic>What is ubuntu?
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10:39<gyanesh>i am a newbie
10:40<gyanesh>can anybody help me with the ubuntu contribution
10:40<engla>This channel is not for ubuntu
10:41<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
10:41<gyanesh>okkk thank u
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10:50<pskosinski>How to set using driver for opengl apps instead of software rasterizer...?
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10:52<hangtwenty>hi all, looking for a tip: what's the preferred way to fork django? my goal is to fork it, apply a patch, and then put that repository in my pip requirements file.
10:52<hangtwenty>it *seems* to me like the official django repo has different branches dedicated to the different major version - and that the 1.4.x is what i want, to fork 1.4.2 -
10:53<pskosinski>and why I need to use pulseaudio when I want sdl…
10:53<hangtwenty>but i am trying to figure out if that 1.4.x branch is == the 1.4.2 release. any advice appreciated.
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10:55<agaida>you should check out the tag
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10:55<agaida>and yes, there are differences
10:56<hangtwenty>thanks a lot agaida. i will check out the tag.
10:57<hangtwenty>tbh, i didn't even realize there was a tagging system on github until just now
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10:58<agaida>the tagging system is indipendent form github. this is pure git
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11:01<hangtwenty>yes, my mistake, also realizing that now
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11:10<zaroth>what could be a possible reason for ping returning "Destination Port Unreachable"?
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11:11<zaroth>I am using Tails, which is Debian-live based distribution and I am trying to figure out what have they configured so I can't even ping localhost...
11:11<Merovoth>What I'd like to know is why Freenode makes it such a PITA to *use*
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11:19<crypticmofo>i figured it out guys my boot is on /deb/sda5 right meaning all i had to do was mount /dev/sda5 and point grub-mkconfig -o /mnt/boot/grub.cfg
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11:24<duxklr>zaroth: lo interface down, iptables block with port-unreachable, broken routing table?
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11:27<zaroth>duxklr: iptables suggestion was spot on, thanks!
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11:30<duxklr>zaroth: no problem.
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11:38<Leololo>Good afternoon, I have 2 links with fixed IP networks and two, I want to leave a link for each network, how do I? to leave it fixed?
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12:20<fenix>boa tarde
12:20<fenix>alguém poderia me ajudar com uma função em php
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12:20<fenix>ou melhor html
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12:27<dpkg>it has been said that debian-pt is /join #debian-pt
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12:48<crypticmofo>what is the website
12:49<crypticmofo>,pciid 10ec:8168
12:49<judd>[10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also
12:49<crypticmofo>there it is
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13:28<under>eeehh oleme el dedo
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13:36<viz>How do i rebind caps lock to mod3?
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13:46<thehousephanter>Can someone help me plz
13:46<thehousephanter>How do i see the BusID of my VGA ?
13:46<thehousephanter>to fix my xorg.conf
13:47<thehousephanter>thehousephanter@debian:~$ lspci | grep VGA
13:47<thehousephanter>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 9488
13:47<thehousephanter>doesnt show me the busid :S
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13:48<thehousephanter>anyone ?
13:49<thehousephanter>sniff sniff
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13:52<thehousephanter>i found i way
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14:42<xxRipperxx>hi can you say me how is the mate irc
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14:47<blast007>xxRipperxx: if you're asking for the IRC channel for the MATE desktop environment, that's on as #mate
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14:56<siddy>anyone know how to use pulseaudio? :-/
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15:06<pskosinski>install pavucontrol ^^
15:07<pskosinski>or use pactl…
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15:18<SamB>hmm, ssh -X and gksudo don't seem to get along :-(
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15:32<mzuverink>I am going to switch from ubuntu to debian, and am looking at the stable iso images. Do I really need to dl all of them, or can I just do a netinstall. I want to eventually boot directly to gnome.
15:33<simonlnu>netinst is fine usually
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15:34<engla>netinst or cd1 is enough
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15:38<mzuverink>simonlnu, engla Thank you!
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16:09<meaustin>which backup tool to use in squeeze?
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16:10<abrotman>there are many .. you'd probably get a better answer if you had more of your requirements listed
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16:12<meaustin>just /home to external drive daily or weekly
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16:14<SynrG>any 'personal' backup solution is fine in that case. many of those exist. i hate all of them
16:14<SynrG>so am not really qualified to recommend one
16:15<SynrG>i use and am happy with backuppc. that's more geared towards providing centralized backup to an attached drive for a whole home or office network
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16:15<SynrG>i like it because of the ease of use through web interface for any user to restore their own files. it is only slightly complicated to set up (gotta authorize hosts with ssh keys) but other than that, easy to use.
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16:16<fenix>boa noite
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16:17<meaustin>hmmm backuppc i'll check it out thanks 0/
16:17<SynrG>overkill for your stated needs, but you may find you like it regardless
16:18<SynrG>it's particularly geared to "live" backups to an attached drive
16:18<SynrG>or some network storage elsewhere
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16:20<duxklr>meaustin: I like rdiff-backup
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16:21<thehousephanter>i got an error
16:21<thehousephanter>to share
16:22<SynrG>yeah, rdiff-backup is nice, too. i use that for a different host
16:22<duxklr>It basically is the same as rsync with the added advantage of creating binary diffs. This way you can access all your data without having to load a client, uncompress some file, run some GUI, etc.. It is just there. The binary-diffs give you the ability to go back in time if you need. Besides the initial backup, the diffs are very light weight.
16:22<SynrG>actually, what i use with rdiff-backup is a commandline frontend called backupninja
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16:22<SynrG>its virtue is pluggable recipes for ensuring databases, etc. are backed up properly
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16:24<duxklr>Do you like backupninja? We rolled our own frontend to backup all our production servers, I am looking to switch to something that is threaded. Right now all our systems backup in a serial fashion.
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16:25<SynrG>in a small deployment with uncomplicated needs i like backupninja. i've never used it in a larger deployment ...
16:25<stderr>I use a homemade script based on rsync, but I have heard good things about rsnapshot.
16:25<SynrG>it looks like it would do the job, though
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16:27<duxklr>I used to use rsnapshot, but switched to rdiff-backup. If I recall correctly (and it has been many years), the archive cleanup was slow.
16:27<meaustin>just need to backup new lappy till can get new mobo for my box $$$ no cash to do so right now
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16:28<meaustin>think i'll try backuppc thanks guys g2g...
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16:28<stderr>If you just need to make a single backup, I would recommend rsync.
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16:29<duxklr>I agree with stderr, single backup rsync is the way to go.
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16:30<stderr>Something like rsync -HPSavx /home/ should be enough.
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16:31<meaustin>okydoky got it, installing rsync now, thanks again, i'm outta here 0/...
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16:59<mrdrumrman>hey everyone. question. i set up cairo dock on my computer and for some reason it keeps doing this ;anoying on screen-off screen thing. does anyone have any idea why it does that. its a pain in the ass.
16:59<lostson>perhaps its set to autohide ?
16:59<mrdrumrman>autihide. can i reset that somehow
17:01<lostson>i would think its in the settings somewhere
17:01<lostson>couldnt tell ya where i have never used cairo dock
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17:02<mrdrumrman>i realize i have 2 cairo docks. one is open gl and the other is not do you think theres some config problem because i have 2?
17:02<mrdrumrman>i understand you never used it but if you offer any advise i would appreciate it very much sir
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17:03<mrdrumrman>cairo dock works like mac apps at the bottom of the screen on osx
17:04<mrdrumrman>but for pcs.....
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17:04<microcluster>hide, what is the best between pulse and alsa?
17:05<microcluster>what is the best between pulse and alsa?
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17:17<eightyeight>sorry for the recent noise
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17:17<crypticmofo>can the bots look up things other then a pciid .. ie im going to get another laptop but of course i can't run lspci -nn on it
17:17<crypticmofo>AMD Radeon™ HD 7520G
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17:17<crypticmofo>is there a bot command for me to look to see if debian can support it ?
17:18<simonlnu>crypticmofo: better to se on the radeon/freedesktop wiki
17:18<simonlnu>microcluster: 2 different things...
17:19<sney>crypticmofo: there isn't a bot command, but googling the device name and 'pciid' will often feed you a pciid from someone's forum post. also, video cards are fairly straightforward, as you only need to find what the driver is called and then look in the supported models list
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17:20<microcluster>simonlnu, can you explane me please?
17:20<crypticmofo>oh wow simonlnu nice googleing
17:20<simonlnu>microcluster: /msg dpkg pulseaudio and /msg dpkg alsa
17:20<simonlnu>crypticmofo: no googling involved ;)
17:21<simonlnu>not today anyway
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17:22<crypticmofo>well goot search terms
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17:22<sney>microcluster: alsa is the linux kernel's sound driver component. if you have audio in linux, 9 times out of 10 alsa is involved. things like pulseaudio and jack just work on top of alsa to add features
17:22<crypticmofo>,pciid 9990
17:23<sney>I'm sney. and pciids are always 8 digits with a colon in the middle
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17:23<crypticmofo>thats the vendor id
17:23<crypticmofo>im looking for the
17:24<crypticmofo>err sney im looking on google for it
17:24<simonlnu>need model id as well
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17:26<crypticmofo>,pciid 1002:9990
17:26<judd>[1002:9990] is 'Trinity [Radeon HD 7520G]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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17:26<sney>haha, that sound module claims everything
17:27<sney>,pciid 1002:9990 --release wheezy
17:27<judd>[1002:9990] is 'Trinity [Radeon HD 7520G]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
17:27<microcluster>sney, ok, in my i've pulseaudio installed and skype doesnt' work properly, why?
17:27<sney>microcluster: skype isn't supported here. do you have sound in other applications?
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17:28<sney>crypticmofo: anyway, go look at 'modinfo radeon' and the hardware support list for fglrx, but odds are at least the latter supports it
17:28<HELLth>microcluster, try this -
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17:29<microcluster>there's another app to make videocalling?
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17:30<sney>ekiga can do it I think? it's not on the skype network but it does support video
17:31<HELLth>use fucking g00gle
17:31<sney>HELLth: relax
17:32<HELLth>sney, relaxed :)
17:32<crypticmofo>sney: and
17:32<crypticmofo>sney: that what your looking at ?
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17:32<sney>crypticmofo: I wasn't looking at anything, I just know how video card support works
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17:34<sney>a lot of the wiki pages are kind of outdated so it's better to go directly to the information. the command 'modinfo' will often show you the hardware supported by a given module, and amd's fglrx page shows a support list as well
17:34<crypticmofo>sney: never used mofinfo so i type in modinfo radeon
17:34<crypticmofo>it shwos a list of a lot of stuff don't know what but i can read the manpage
17:36<sney>crypticmofo: shows the radeon driver supports the HD 7000 series as well
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17:36<crypticmofo>yea i should have looked at cache page it kept giving me sever error
17:37<crypticmofo>sney: also talks about fglrx
17:37<crypticmofo>ok im fine there on the video card
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17:40<crypticmofo>sney: check out those specs
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17:41<crypticmofo>well at the bottom
17:41<crypticmofo>in the next 2 weeks i will be ready for a new computer
17:41<crypticmofo>i can alwasys go to the manufactures website and look up there drivers then i can get mroe info to google on
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17:46<hugo2>im new to linux
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17:46<sney>hugo2: ok, this is the debian support channel, are you using debian?
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17:54<crypticmofo>found wifi driver :P
17:54<crypticmofo>looking good so far
17:56<sney>what wifi driver is it
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17:57<crypticmofo>its a n wifi
17:57<sney>excellent, atheros often delivers the least headache under linux
17:58<crypticmofo>,pciid 0x7605:0x111D
17:58<crypticmofo>can somebody check this out
17:58<crypticmofo>sound is IDT High-Definition (HD)
17:58<crypticmofo>it says vendor id and device id
17:59<sney>,pciid 7605:111d
17:59<judd>[7605:111d] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also
17:59<sney>it's probably just intel hda
17:59<sney>pretty much every hd audio chip on the market these days is on the intel hda standard
17:59<crypticmofo>zoh i see what you did
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18:00<microcluster>sney, HELLth ,thanks
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18:02<siddy>I installed pavucontrol
18:03<siddy>there needs to be an elaborate how-to for this.... what the heck is 'Dummy Output' for output devices? And did it get there? I'm sure that must be wrong!
18:03<sney>figure it out, and write one
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18:04<siddy>why don't you?
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18:06<crypticmofo>,pciid 8384:7682
18:06<judd>[8384:7682] is 'IDT High Definition Audio Codec' from 'SigmaTel' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also
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18:08<crypticmofo>sney: that can't be good right
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18:09<sney>crypticmofo: eh, I bet it's still just intel hda. but you can google the laptop model + 'linux' to find out more. even throw 'sound' in as a keyword
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18:46<crypticmofo>sney: im going to bring a live dvd to walmart
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18:46<crypticmofo>if it sound works i will jsut lsmod it and write it down or something the device id for the card
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18:55<crypticmofo>sney: can't i use ndiswarpper for sound ?
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18:58<gsimmons>crypticmofo: The NDISwrapper driver wrapper is for network devices.
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19:00<EMABrad>How hard is it going to be for me to get wireless to work immediately on a Dell laptop? I'm to install some distribution of GNU/Linux on ten of them, and the minimization of effort required (ESPECIALLY for wireless) is absolutely essential to my choice.
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19:00<EMABrad>My first choice is Debian Squeeze (eh, maybe Wheezy) but I can't reliably get these computers connected to a network to finish my install without wireless.
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19:12<siddy>this is the debian channel but sney tells you to do it yourself? :)
19:12<siddy>EMABrad, what wifi hardware do you have?
19:12<siddy>debian wifi has some info on the wiki...
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19:13<siddy>whatever chipset, you usually just need to install the firmware... it's better if you can install debian with a wired connection, install the wifi firmware needed and then configure
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19:14<EMABrad>siddy: Apologies, I'm not near any of the computers that I'm going to be working on right now. I was hoping for some general trends. That's not really what I wanted to hear.
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19:14<EMABrad>siddy: Not your fault, of course. :P
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19:15<EMABrad>siddy: Let me tell you a bit more about the project, and maybe you could offer me some advice.
19:15<siddy>Debian adheres to a rigid open source policy so you need to enable 'non-free' repositiories and then install the related wifi firmware... unless the hardware is atheros, for e.g. ...
19:16<siddy>are all the computers the same? same model etc.?
19:16<EMABrad>siddy: Yes, they are.
19:16<siddy>then just get a live cd ... to get info on the hardware
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19:17<siddy>open a terminal console on the live cd... type 'lspci'
19:17<siddy>it gives info on the hardware... all the computers have a wifi card installed?
19:18<siddy>are they all dell laptops or something?
19:18<EMABrad>siddy: Yeah, they do. And yes, they're all Dells.
19:18<siddy>older dells?
19:19<siddy>probably broadcom or maybe intel wifi
19:20<EMABrad>siddy: Man, I want to say Broadcom, but I just can't remember for sure.
19:20<siddy>if you know the model... for e.g., Dell Latitude... it would help... other than that, I'm guessing :)
19:21<EMABrad>siddy: I know what they look like. Give me a few minutes to Google.
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19:21<siddy>so I can only suggest, to get any live distro CD and open a terminal console, type lspci and you can get the exact info for the wifi card
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19:22<siddy>alternatively, you can google the dell model (number) of the laptop.... and then type + debian
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19:23<siddy>can anyone tell me what they think of pulseaudio?
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19:23<siddy>I installed because I was having trouble with sound... I thought I fixed my problem but it just makes new ones :)
19:24<siddy>there's way more settings and I was trying to use skype with a usb headset .... :-(
19:24<siddy>my sound card is an Audigy 2ZS pci card.... if that helps
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19:25<EMABrad>siddy: Hm. I guess you're right. The best thing I can do is just see what works. Thanks for the advice. Also, I don't trust Skype, really, on any machine. Know that doesn't help, but mreh.
19:26<EMABrad>siddy: Also, I'm pretty sure the computers are Latitudes.
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19:27<siddy>EMABrad, if I'm not mistaken, many Latitudes were equipped with Broadcom wifi cards but you could switch in Intel wifi ... depends on version of Latitude...
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19:29<EMABrad>siddy: Broadcom bad, or Broadcom good?
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19:30<siddy>I'd say, used to be bad... now just fair.... the support is better now, I think
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19:31<siddy>for a Latitude, it should be okay... I'm guessing you would want that firmware
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19:32<siddy>it might just work ... I think broadcom is open source for that wifi hardware but I'm not sure
19:33<siddy>you might need to install this package: b43-fwcutter
19:34<siddy>google that when you find out the exact broadcom hardware - if it's broadcom
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19:34<EMABrad>siddy: Do you think that it will be a situation where I just have to have these computers set up to a wired connection until I get the wifi working, or is it likely it will work without me having to toy with it during installation?
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19:35<siddy>I dunno... try a live cd and see if one computer connects
19:36<siddy>debian has a live cd project
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19:36<siddy>I'm trying to get skype to work but I think the support in linux is pretty bad...
19:37<siddy>I guess I might have to post to forums and wait forever for 20+ views and one person to reply :-(
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19:38<siddy>EMABrad, I suggest downloading a live debian .iso.... burn it to cd and then try one of the laptops...
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19:38<EMABrad>siddy: I don't recommend using Skype with any distro at all. Sound input and output (especially input) are very carefully balanced between not working and not supported, and Skype doesn't play well with the FOSS community.
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19:39<siddy>check the wifi hardware (terminal - type 'lspci') and then if broadcom, see if that package is installed
19:39<EMABrad>siddy: They have closed protocols, as I recall. Unless you're dealing with people that will NOT use ANYTHING but Skype, there are good alternatives. I've used Google Talk without too much trouble.
19:39<siddy>yes, but some other ppl I talk to use it... it's to learn a language...
19:40<EMABrad>siddy: Also, this is a good solution. Thank you! And what kind of language?
19:40<siddy>yeah, they all only use skype :(
19:40<siddy>german and russian
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19:42<siddy>EMABrad, fyi, someone is trying to get broadcom hardware to work in the distro, siduction :)
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19:42<siddy>on a mac :)
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19:42<siddy>seems like there's always someone trying to get broadcom wifi to work
19:43<crypticmofo>yea crazy
19:44<EMABrad>siddy: Indeed there is. I really hope I'm able to use Debian reliably on these machines. I might end up having to use Linux Mint Debian Edition, or maybe even just straight up Mint. :|
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19:45<siddy>EMABrad, in my non-expert opinion, I think when it comes to wireless, there is not much difference in the distro... it's the same firmware and packages... the diff. might be in the default network tools installed
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19:46<siddy>mint (ubuntu base), LMDE, straight debian.... you should have a similar experience... mint does a more polished job, possibly, though
19:47<siddy>the firmware might already be installed in mint
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19:48<EMABrad>siddy: That's what I'm wondering, but I'm also wondering if it will also be already install in LMDE. I think I'd rather them have LMDE than Mint.
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19:50<siddy>not sure
19:51<siddy>I know someone who uses that... I could check but I wouldn't know until tomorrow :)
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19:52<siddy>I suspect it would be already installed.... using straight debian is just an extra step then
19:53<siddy>I think in debian you have to add the non-free repo and then install the firmware after you apt-get update
19:53<Baloo>Why is it, on wheezy with fglrx, if I hibernate the machine...I only get a black screen when it comes back? Audio is there so I know the machine's not frozen...but just can't get X back
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19:55<siddy>Baloo, heard of that
19:55<siddy>amd supports linux really well :)
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19:56<Baloo>What's that got to do with the price of tea in china?
19:56<siddy>maybe, you have to manually edit a config file so that hibernate works... I would google 'debian fglrx hibernate'
19:56<siddy>and then choose options for most recent results
19:57<siddy>hey, I'm trying to help
19:57<siddy>I assume this is with a laptop?
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19:57<siddy>I don't know of any laptops that work with ati cards.... hibernate is always a bugger
19:58<Baloo>Sure, I get that, just seemed like "amd supports linux really well" was kind of a nonsequitor given that they don't ever send any code upstream. ;o)
19:58<siddy>FOSS or fglrx... never seen anyone satisfied with it... anyone who says amd supports linux, I just ignore them
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19:59<Baloo>All I can say about that bad as amd is, nvidia is worse.
19:59<siddy>is there something like an xorg.conf.d file or something?
19:59<siddy>they're both bad, imho
20:00<siddy>nvidia and amd only care about windows, sadly
20:00<Baloo>exactly. same with ati.
20:00<siddy>words are interchangeable now
20:00<EMABrad>siddy: Hm. Thanks. Do you want to exchange emails so you could get back to me with your acquaintance's advice?
20:00<Baloo>I don't have a .conf.d but there is a .conf
20:01<siddy>EMABrad, sure... but, I would just ask to check via synaptic :)
20:01<siddy>I'm sure it will be displayed... question is, whether it's installed by default
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20:07<meaustin>EMABrad; i have LMDE on another box, wireless working out of the box
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20:09<EMABrad>meaustin: That's good news. What kind of machine?
20:11<meaustin>EMABrad: built it myself a year ago, Intel Quad 16gb ram, but mobo died a few days ago running LMDE since it was built, was a crappy mobo to start
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20:11<siddy>Baloo, xorg.conf? you might look what's in there
20:11<siddy>google what I said... maybe you might need to add a line (i.e. edit it)
20:12<EMABrad>meaustin: What kind of wireless card did it have?
20:12<meaustin>onboard intel
20:12<siddy>meaustin, I think the drivers/firmware is probably installed in LMDE but I can probably confirm for EMABrad.. but, it's not installed on my machine... but someone else's I know :)
20:13<Baloo>Waiting on google...this might take a very, very long time.
20:13<siddy>that's a good sign
20:13<meaustin>nope sry! used a usb wireless
20:13<siddy>Intel firmware has to be manually installed in debian, usually
20:13<siddy>meaustin, usb?
20:13<siddy>probably not intel then :)
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20:13<EMABrad>meaustin: Shame. :(
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20:14<meaustin>siddy: no prb
20:14<dpkg>The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports Intel 3945 ABG, 4965 AGN and several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at . See also <iwlegacy>.
20:15<nevyn>meaustin: what does lsusb say?
20:15<meaustin>oops usb not on that box, intel box is on board
20:15<siddy>AFAIK, intel doesn't have any wifi usb devices... meaning no intel chipset in wifi usb adapters
20:15<nevyn>meaustin: EMABrad
20:15<siddy>i c
20:15<meaustin>that box not running, needs a new mobo
20:15<nevyn>meaustin: what card is it exactly?
20:15<nevyn>meaustin: paste the line of output from lsusb or lspci
20:16<Baloo> timed out
20:16<nevyn>(don't bother with a pastebin but only the wifi adapter line please.)
20:16<siddy>EMABrad, you could download a copy of LMDE also
20:16<meaustin>cant, box is apart waitin for mobo
20:16<siddy>they have a live cd... then stick it in a laptop... :)
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20:16<meaustin>i am on lappy squeeze
20:17<nevyn>what's the wifi module name if it's in bits.
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20:23<EMABrad>siddy: I think what I'm going to do is just go in with Live CDs of Debian, LMDE, and Mint, and try them in that order, by preference. While there, I'll check the network information with lspci and send you the info.
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20:27<Baloo>dammit...can't get to google.
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21:19<crypticmofo>,pciid 8086:1c20
21:19<judd>[8086:1c20] is '6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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21:29<crypticmofo>i will just look for another laptop
21:29<crypticmofo>can't chance getting the latptop and nothing working
21:29*abrotman just buys thinkpads
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21:31<ectospasm>I love my latest thinkpad
21:31<crypticmofo>abrotman: what brand ?
21:31<ectospasm>crypticmofo: Lenovo
21:32<ectospasm>...granted, when I got it at the beginning of the year I had to put wheezy on it because squeeze had... issues.
21:32<abrotman>mine is a couple years old now .. but it's still plenty fast
21:32<ectospasm>...and proprietary firmware is kind of a bitch, so make sure you have another machine handy that can download it
21:32<abrotman>ectospasm: i only needed it for the wifi
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21:33<ectospasm>abrotman: that's what I remember too
21:33<ectospasm>...and maybe the LAN NIC
21:33<ectospasm>...not really sure.
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21:33<abrotman>right, but you can easily plan for that
21:33<ectospasm>...or maybe the AMD graphics
21:33<abrotman>mine has intel video
21:34<ectospasm>abrotman: unfortunately I buy stuff like that like "Uhhh... that one!"
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21:34<ectospasm>...compatibility to Linux is secondary.
21:34<ectospasm>I've always wanted to support Emperor Linux, but it's cost prohibitive
21:34<abrotman>well, i choose intel video purposely ..
21:35<abrotman>i try to stay away from fglrx/nvidia/broadcom if it can be helped
21:35<ectospasm>actually, my first criteria is keyboard layout. If any keys are in the wrong place, I don't even consider it.
21:35<ectospasm>...well, within reason
21:35<ectospasm>anything reachable from the home row should be in the standard 105-PC keyboard layout.
21:35<luke>hey, i lost 3d acceleration on wheezy using AMD HD5670. The radeon driver worked fine. Anyone want to help guide me put it right?
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21:39<crypticmofo>im assuming debian works out of the box on thinkpads right ?
21:40<crypticmofo>im going to turn this dell studio laptop into a sid box for debian team or whoever to test bugs then the thinkpad will be my main debian os squeeze or wheezy
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21:41<ectospasm>crypticmofo: if you buy brand new, current stable may be old enough to where it doesn't perform well
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21:41<dondelelcaro>though that usually just means that you need a newer kernel
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21:42<crypticmofo>so just put on wheezy when i get the laptop ?
21:42<crypticmofo>im on wheezy atm anyway
21:43<ectospasm>I have sid on mine
21:44<crypticmofo>i really need 1 box to test and 1 for me
21:44<crypticmofo>dual booting or reinstalling all the time gets old
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21:49<Joe>hello, all
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21:49<Joe>I set a preference.d file in my apt
21:49<Joe>but it seems not working..
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21:50<Joe>Package: *
21:50<Joe>Pin: origin ""
21:50<Joe>Pin-Priority: 999
21:50<Joe>this in the man apt_preferences.
21:51<Joe>it said : assigns a high priority to all package versions available from the local site
21:52<Joe>but when i add this under my /etc/apt/preferences.d/
21:52<Joe>then i use 'apt-cache policy' to test
21:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
21:52<Joe>the local package still have '500' priority.
21:52<Joe>anyone pls help me?
21:53<ectospasm>Joe: don't use linebreaks as punctuation.
21:54<Joe>hi ectospasm, what do you mean>
21:55<ectospasm>Joe: ask your question in one post. You got lucky that no one else was chatting as you explained your problem. Had others been chatting, the flow of your question would have been horribly broken up.
21:55<ectospasm>!smart questions
21:55<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
21:55<ectospasm>Joe: I don't use pinning at all, so I can't help.
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22:04<crypticmofo>good specs what do you think
22:05<crypticmofo>i won't settle for anything under a 15 inch screen
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22:06<abrotman>i've always bought mine direct
22:06<crypticmofo>well yea
22:06<crypticmofo>im going to go into best buy to get it
22:06<crypticmofo>i was just looking online
22:07<abrotman>i meant direct from
22:07<crypticmofo>now to google the pciid's or whatever i can find to make sure debian actually works
22:07<crypticmofo>well im the type that if i want it i get it right then and there if not then i don't get it
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22:08<[Rami]>who is here
22:08<abrotman>no one
22:09<[Rami]>this People from where O_O
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22:10<[Rami]>abrotman most of People here from where
22:10<[Rami]>just wana know this IRC which part in world
22:11<abrotman>[Rami]: do you have a Debian questoin?
22:11<[Rami]>this People from where abrotman
22:11<abrotman>[Rami]: do you have a Debian questoin?
22:12<[Rami]>what is debian mean
22:12<abrotman>[Rami]: do you know what Debian is?
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22:12<abrotman>[Rami]: please go read
22:12<abrotman>then come back with questions
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22:21<ext5>lmfao what a clown
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22:40<raoul>hello all..
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22:48<siddy>no one helps here, good luck
22:49<raoul>no one talks too
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22:52<abrotman>no one is asking questions ..
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22:55<raoul>i guess everyone's busy
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22:57<nevyn>it's odd when this channel is quiet
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22:58<raoul>it's not always like this?
22:58<LtL>it means everybody is happy! :-)
22:58<raoul>im not
22:58<LtL>raoul: because...
22:59<nevyn>raoul: why not?
22:59<raoul>had some problems with wifi
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23:00<LtL>raoul: had is better that have. resolved?
23:01<raoul>just removed the card..
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23:01<LtL>raoul: on a wire now, no wifi?
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23:02<raoul>on a
23:02<nevyn>what card?
23:03<nevyn>what card?
23:03<nevyn>not what manufacturer
23:03<LtL>i use a ten year old linksys/broadcom pcmcia card. works good actually.
23:03<raoul>some firmware stuff
23:03<dpkg>Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcmsmac>, <rndis_wlan>, <wl>. For Ethernet controller support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>.
23:04<nevyn>please select which card ^^
23:04<poetic_algebra>I have a broadcom card in my 10-year-old machine, too
23:04<raoul>its ok
23:04<nevyn>or paste the output of lspci/lsusb
23:05<raoul>i dont need it anyway
23:05<poetic_algebra>it's a bit of an ordeal to set it up, but once it's done the first time, it's easy every subsequent time =P
23:05<nevyn>raoul: it should be moderately straightforward to make it go
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23:19<raoul>@nevyn: bcn94318mpg
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23:24<LtL>raoul: unfortunately that may call for ndiswrapper
23:24<LtL>raoul: but i'm not positive on that.
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23:26<raoul>@LtL: thats the easiest. i did dint's suppose to be the last step. resort.
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23:28<LtL>raoul: maybe you just missed on the configuration
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23:30<raoul>no..its suppose to be auto-configured by the b46# installer
23:30<poetic_algebra>there's no info on about your particular card, but...
23:31<poetic_algebra>that might be a place to start; the site walked me through setting up my card, which uses the b43legacy driver
23:31<poetic_algebra>idk if yours will...
23:32<LtL>raoul: never totally trust 'auto-configuration' check the actual 'business' settings.
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23:35<raoul>@LtL: how do you check the actual 'business' settings?
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23:36<LtL>raoul: /etc/network/interfaces for starters
23:37<LtL>raoul: did the proper module load, what errors did you get and when
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23:40<raoul>@LtL: b43 ssb0:0: firmware: requesting b43/ucode5.fw
23:41<LtL>raoul: whats that from, dmesg?
23:41<raoul>kernel logs
23:42<LtL>raoul: did you try find / -iname 'ucode5.fw' im shooting in the dark here
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23:44<raoul>b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to and download the correct firmware for this driver version. Please carefully read all instructions on this website.
23:44<LtL>raoul: did you
23:44<raoul>thats what i did..
23:45<LtL>raoul: does that file exist
23:46<raoul>it does..
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23:47<LtL>did you try ndiswrapper to use it, from what i gather you may need the wrapper, i didnt read the site
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23:49<raoul>no..ndiswapper is for the windows drivers
23:49<LtL>raoul: you could try a newer kernel
23:49<LtL>raoul: yeah i know but googleing says its needed.
23:50<raoul>you're suppose to build the drivers..but i dint do that since there was another alternative
23:50<LtL>raoul: maybe its time for plan B
23:50<raoul>which was the b43 firmware installer
23:51<LtL>raoul: thats what i use, but my chipset is different
23:51<raoul>whats plan B?
23:51<LtL>raoul: something that works
23:51<dpkg>b43 is a driver supporting PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips, part of the Linux kernel. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. #bcm-users on
23:51<LtL>raoul: google is your friend
23:51<nevyn>no no it isn't
23:52<nevyn>!tell raoul about b43-fwcutter
23:53<poetic_algebra>I think that's a better place to start than ndiswrapper
23:53<nevyn>what is?
23:54<poetic_algebra>b43-fwcutter and native drivers
23:54<raoul>anyway..i have a clean boot now..without the wireless card..HAHA!
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23:54<LtL>i agree, but a google on raoul's model doesnt look good. b43-fwcutter would be great.. if it works
23:54<nevyn>so for the debian specific stuff I trust factoids more than google
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23:54<poetic_algebra>yeah, that's what I'm afraid of, too LtL
23:55<poetic_algebra>could it hurt to load the firmware and see what happens?
23:55<raoul>google is ok
23:55<nevyn>given that the b43 driver get's far enough to want the firmware.. I doubt that ndis is required.
23:55<LtL>good point
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23:56<nevyn>listkeys bcm4318
23:57<raoul>4138 supported
23:58<dpkg>b43 is a driver supporting PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips, part of the Linux kernel. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. #bcm-users on
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