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---Logopened Tue Jul 23 00:00:21 2013
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00:19<bullgard4>sney: What does "ssb" stand for?
00:19<sney>'simple sid backport'
00:19<bullgard4>sney: Thank you.
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00:55<sandeepparitala>Can anyone help me about ARM architecture debian
00:56<Infiltrator>!tell sandeepparitala -about ask
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00:57<sandeepparitala>I want to build a debian based OS for Raspberry Pi what shall I do
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00:59<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on for support.
00:59<jm_>why bother?
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01:01<sandeepparitala>To start with I want to bring a distribution that suits my needs
01:01<dpkg>A Debian Pure Blend (aka Blend, formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. #debian-custom on
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01:02<sney>this is probably what you want, albeit with the raspbian hardfloat optimizations
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01:06<sandeepparitala>yes I would like to do it with the packages I require and language interface as well
01:08<bullgard4>':~$ sudo mii-tool eth0; SIOCGMIIREG on eth0 failed: Input/output error; SIOCGMIIREG on eth0 failed: Input/output error; eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok.' what do the messages "SIOCGMIIREG on eth0 failed: Input/output error" mean? They appear also elsewhere:
01:14<jm_>tried using ethtool instead?
01:16<sandeepparitala>I have a problem with making a custom distro of debian for Raspberry Pi
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01:42<shak>who here uses cbang ?
01:43<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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01:50<Khades>my goodness, can't get pam-ldap working for ssh
01:50<Supaplex>shak: sounds like, based on debian
01:51<Khades>it cant handle query for specific user on logging with ssh, saying "error trying to bind as user"
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01:51<Khades>but making not-anonymous query goes ok, at pre-auth phase of it
01:51<Khades>so, user can log in to lookup ldap database, but unable to check his password with pam_ldap
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01:53<sandeepparitala>I am facing trouble with developing a custom distro of debian forRaspberry pi
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01:55<jmcnaught>sandeepparitala: have you considering writing a post-installation customization script? it might be an easier way to accomplish your goal
01:56<Khades>user path is right
01:56<Khades>and password is right
01:56<Khades>what the hell
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01:57<Supadupa>raspberries in, raspberries out. :P :P :P :P
01:57<sandeepparitala>Rather I would get all those packages done before making an SD image
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02:01<jmcnaught>sandeepparitala: how are you trying to do it?
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02:02<Supaplex>interesting... network-manager uses a default route from a second interface anyway, despite it being set to dhcp address only.
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02:06<jmcnaught>sandeepparitala: i'm just asking because i'm not sure if you have encountered a specific problem while trying to do it, or if you're simply asking where to start?
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02:12<vikashla>Can Anyone help me with Apache server ?
02:13<jmcnaught>ask the question and i can try
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02:14<vikashla>I have installed Apache 2.2 on ubuntu 12.04 and the httpd.conf file is blank
02:15<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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02:17<jmcnaught>vikashla: well you should probably ask on an Ubuntu channel, but httpd.conf is also blank in Debian. Check out the files in /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common (might be different on ubuntu) for some info on that
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02:19<stderr>jmcnaught: Does the file even exist in Debian? I don't have it.
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02:21<jmcnaught>stderr: it's there but empty on squeeze, but not there at all in wheezy
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02:21<jmcnaught>at least on the two machines i just checked
02:21<stderr>Ah, yes, I didn't check one of my old boxes.
02:22<jm_>not surprising given this is in apache2.conf: Include conf.d/ and Include sites-enabled/
02:23<themill>apache2 (2.2.22-6)… Don't create httpd.conf anymore and don't include it in apache2.conf. If it contains local modifications, move it to /etc/apache2/conf.d/httpd.conf
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02:24<jmcnaught>i had always used conf.d for local changes, so i didn't really notice that httpd.conf was gone
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03:16<sandeepparitala>how to get gnome on raspberry pi
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03:19<rjsalts>I'm guessing there is no plan to backport apache2 to wheezy in the near future
03:20<apm1>sandeepparitala, you can easily get gnome packages for the arch but it'll fail to run cause the hardware hardly works with xfce
03:21<apm1>you can't possibly run gnome shell on it
03:21<apm1>its too weak for a monstrosity like gnome
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03:22<sney>sandeepparitala: it is considered rude to ask the same questions in multiple channels.
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03:22<apm1>yah e17 shall be good :)
03:23<apm1>sney, actually there is no such policy that forbids that on freenode
03:24<quackquack>but people in freenode also get pissed off.
03:24<quackquack>same question in 100 channels.
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03:25<sney>apm1: I just said it was rude. it's not "the rules" but it's still inconsiderate of volunteer helpers
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03:33<Khades>cant connect to ldap in any way
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03:36<Khades>ah come on
03:36<Khades>pamtest works
03:36<Khades>how the hell it works
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03:41<Supaplex>dpkg: blame ldap
03:41*dpkg blames ryanc_ and ldap for the end of the Internet as we know it
03:41<Khades>in a day i will give up and try to setup kerberos
03:42<Supaplex>put it on top of ipsec vpn, just for fun.
03:42<Khades>what the hell
03:43<Khades>it suddenly works
03:43<Khades>how the hell
03:43<Supaplex>heh. really? far out.
03:43<Supaplex>was it the NSA?
03:43<Khades>what is nsa?
03:44<Supaplex>us gobberment spies
03:44<Supaplex>I dunno either. hence my silly banter. :)
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03:45<jmcnaught>it just needed to know you were serious
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03:59<Khades>cant repeat success
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04:02<quackquack>anyone using/used fai here?
04:02<quackquack>is nfs necessary? can we use something other than NFS/NIS
04:02<quackquack>like sshfs
04:03<quackquack>or encfs
04:03<Khades>what is fai?
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04:03<dpkg>Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Oracle Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. #fai on
04:04<Supaplex>kinda like PFM, but with more operator intervention required.
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04:04<quackquack>kind of
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04:04<quackquack>thanks Supaplex and dpkg
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04:05<SynrG>quackquack: dpkg is a bot
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04:05<quackquack>going to #fai
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04:10<Khades>i found the problem
04:11<Khades>nslcd still is needed by libpam_ldap to connect properly
04:11<Khades>i install nslcd and i can connect to server via ssh\ldap flawlessly
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04:12<Khades>i'd make it clearer
04:13<Khades>libpam_ldap would not work correct without nslcd, libpam_ldapd requires nslcd. Mental note - bug report
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04:17<Khades>also need to figure out why libpam-ldapd didnt work
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05:07<arinov>why xcp-squeezed failed to start?
05:07<arinov>xen and xendomains was disaled
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05:08<SynrG>we don't know. maybe you could tell us what led up to the failure. anything change recently? are there any error messages in your logs? are there error messages when you try to manually start it?
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05:09<arinov>dpkg-reconfigure xcp-squeezed
05:09<arinov>Fatal error: exception Xs.Failed_to_connect
05:09<arinov>invoke-rc.d: initscript xcp-squeezed, action "start" failed.
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05:10<SynrG>why the dpkg-reconfigure? that's not a normal way to start a daemon
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05:10<arinov>normal way failed
05:10<SynrG>what changed since this worked last? any upgrades? any configurations changed?
05:11<arinov>service xcp-squeezed start
05:11<arinov>Fatal error: exception Xs.Failed_to_connect
05:11<Ennea>hi there. i was recently having trouble setting up postfix and dovecot on wheezy correctly. a friend of mine told me to just install mail-stack-delivery. that package doesn't seem to exist on debian at all; ubuntu only, or so i think. does anything similar exist for debian, or is there any recent, actually usueful configuration help for dovecot + postfix?
05:11<arinov>SynrG, there is no upgrades
05:11<arinov>there is stock debian packages
05:11<SynrG>when did it last start successfully?
05:11<arinov>installed from official repos
05:11<arinov>it does not
05:12<SynrG>it never did start successfully before?
05:12<SynrG>i would guess it is misconfigured, then.
05:12<arinov>configuration files are typical fro wikis
05:13<arinov>i mean it has xenbr0 interface works and xcp-networkd works
05:14<arinov>but xcp-xapi cant start - depends from xcp-squeezed
05:14<arinov>last one has been failed in installation process
05:14<arinov>installed normally and debian cant configure it
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05:16<SynrG>arinov: what xen-related messages are there in syslog? provide via
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05:17<arinov>SynrG, a lot of and most of them about successful start other xcp stuff, what should i grep for?
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05:19<SynrG>arinov: no idea, really. i know very little about xen and am just following standard triage procedures here ...
05:20<SynrG>maybe someone else with xen expertise could find something in those messages. include as much as you can.
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05:20<SynrG>there is:
05:20<SynrG>,bug 682202
05:20<judd>Bug in xcp-squeezed (closed): «xcp-squeezed not started on boot»; severity: important; opened: 2012-07-20; last modified: 2012-12-11.
05:20<SynrG>but that bug is closed ...
05:20<SynrG>still. might be related.
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05:21<SynrG>arinov: you're running wheezy, right?
05:22<SynrG>so, xcp-squeezed 1.3.2-15
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05:26<SynrG>arinov: so, those log messages?
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05:29<arinov>SynrG, rebooting server to refresh logs
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05:31<SynrG>arinov: there is also #debian-xen if we run out of ideas here.
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05:31<SynrG>smaller channel. might have to wait a while for someone to wake up
05:31<SynrG>make sure you provide them with sufficient detail while you wait.
05:31<SynrG>(logs, etc.)
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05:33<SynrG>i didn't see your issue at
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05:33<esc_>hi, i have cpu frequency scaling activated, but the governor does not scale the cpu up
05:33<esc_>where should I report?
05:34<SynrG>and the processor supports it? grep flags /proc/cpuinfo
05:35<esc_>which flag would it be?
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05:37<SynrG>esc_: 'est', i think?
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05:37<SynrG>"Enhanced SpeedStep"
05:37<Calinou>esc_: did you change your CPU ratio?
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05:38<esc_>Calinou: what is that?
05:38<Calinou>nevermind then
05:39<Ennea>sorry for repeating myself, but it seems my question was buried in another discussion
05:39<Ennea>hi there. i was recently having trouble setting up postfix and dovecot on wheezy correctly. a friend of mine told me to just install mail-stack-delivery. that package doesn't seem to exist on debian at all; ubuntu only, or so i think. does anything similar exist for debian, or is there any recent, actually usueful configuration help for dovecot + postfix?
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05:41<esc_>i went to conservative and it seems to work
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05:41<esc_>it is the same issue as
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05:41<SynrG>Ennea: what specific issue are you hitting with setting it up?
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05:41<Ennea>i'm afraid i don't even know
05:41<Ennea>it just didn't work
05:41<Ennea>no errors, either
05:42<Ennea>strange thing is, at some point i rebooted my server, and suddenly some of my test mails were sent out
05:42<SynrG>you'll have to be more specific. you tried ____ and expected ____. ____ happened instead.
05:42<Ennea>i did make sure to properly restart both postfix and dovecot after i changed the configs, though
05:43<Ennea>i'd love to be more specific, but i can't even provide any information besides "i expected it to send mail, and it didn't"
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05:43<esc_>must be the way the ondemand governor is configured by default
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05:44<Ennea>i don't really know anything about mail stuff at all, and the configuration guides i found are just "do this, do that" stuff. i'd prefer something where i can read why i have to do something in a specific way, but i couldn't find anything
05:44<Out`Of`Control>Ennea do you see any errors in syslog?
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05:44<Ennea>Out`Of`Control, i do not
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05:45<Ennea>in the end, it really comes down to my original question. does mail-stack-delivery or something similar exist for debian? if not, are there any extensive guides to configuring both dovecot and postfix correctly?
05:45<llandon>Ennea: at least you should know if you are want using a relay or anything... if you cant answer this, you shouldn't set up a mailserver... it will only result into anouther spamserver
05:45<Ennea>if both answers would be no, i really don't want to waste your time
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05:45<Ennea>llandon, i'm afraid i can't answer that
05:46<Ennea>anything i should read to get to know more about mail servers?
05:46<llandon> rtfm
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05:48<Ennea>does a similar page exist on the v2 wiki?
05:48<Ennea>i couldn't find one previously
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05:51<Ennea>well, i'll be reading through that, then see if that'll be of help
05:51<Ennea>thanks, i guess
05:52<SynrG>yeah. i just followed the doc when setting up dovecot and postfix. no specific guide or helper pkg :/
05:52<SynrG>hence my questions about what you've tried so far.
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05:52<Ennea>well, originally, i followed a guide for squeeze, because i was running squeeze at the time
05:53<SynrG>as for dovecot, that relates to serving up your folders, so you probably don't even need to worry about it yet.
05:53<SynrG>so it comes to "how do i use postfix?"
05:53<Ennea>well, i'll take a more in-depth look at postfix, then
05:53<SynrG>if you tried sending emails and they weren't sent, look to your logs ...
05:54<SynrG>also look to the mail queue itself
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05:54<SynrG>try just 'mailq' and see. anything stuck in it?
05:54<Ennea>as i said, nothing in the logs. and, as i said previously, somehow, the test mails were sent on my next reboot
05:54<Ennea>which is awkward, because i did restart the services after messing with the configs
05:54<SynrG>then reproduce the failure condition and then check the queue
05:54<Ennea>i will
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05:55<EmleyMoor>What's a good Wi-fi card for Linux that can operate as "host"?
05:55<SynrG>as for testing if mails were sent, is the destination greylisting you? if so, there could be a 10m delay between initial attempt to send and the greylist letting you through. that could confuse diagnosis.
05:56<Ennea>i wonder. i'm sending to my gmail account
05:56<SynrG>EmleyMoor: heh, my information on that is about 10 years out of date :)
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05:56<SynrG>Ennea: the log would say
05:57<Ennea>alright, let me try sending some test mails
05:57<SynrG>Ennea: after the initial greylist passes, subsequent emails should go through more-or-less immediately, though
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06:00<sandeepparitala>how can I upgrade to jessie from wheezy
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06:01<SynrG>dpkg: wheezy->jessie
06:01<dpkg>First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while.
06:01<SynrG>see also #debian-next, where we support testing/unstable
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06:06<Ennea>alright, running into some other problems now
06:06<Ennea>i appreciate the help, but i need to get going for now
06:07<Ennea>i'll go through this some other time
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07:46<shaun>can anyone add pages to the Debian wiki or is there some kind of approval process?
07:47<Maulkin>I think anyone can, but you need to register for an account
07:48<jm_>it says so on the page, see
07:48<thales>Hi :) I've a difficult since much hours ... I've a virtual machine in the cloud (, it like as amazon cloud). This vm is protected by a virtual firewall wich block all except my rules ... (the firewall is not iptables, he's managed by cloud service). And i want install a pptp tunnel. I've no error but the tunnel don't respond ... this is any logs and infos :
07:48<jm_>(or the bottom of the front page)
07:48<thales>i think that is the firewall but not sure ...
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07:49<thales>i've open port 47 (GRE) in TCP and UDP, but i don't think that is needed for client ...
07:49<peter1139>GRE isn't TCP or UDP
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07:49<peter1139>it's protocol 47, not port 47
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07:51<thales>peter1139, ah ok, not needed so ...
07:52<thales>thanks for info ;)
07:52<thales>for this* infos
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07:52<thales>may i open another port ... ?
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07:55<thales>my firewall config :
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07:56<thales>but port 1723 is just for the pptpd server ...
07:56<thales>and i want just the client
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07:56<thales>so not needed ... it's just for precaution
07:56<peter1139>ask your provider if GRE is blocked
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07:59<thales>I use Arethusa ... i've already use theirs services and it's work with GRE ...
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08:01<thales>and same problem with other vpn providers
08:01<tdiem>hello all, not sure if there's a sysadmin-orientated room ... I'm thinking about using debian packages to deploy sysadmin's users and their homedirs in my infrastructure. Apparently there's no hit on google about it :( .. it that such a bad idea?
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08:05<bremner>tdiem: it's not a _good_ idea, beacause packages are really not designed for that.
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08:09<tdiem>bremner: the thing it's a bit annoying to deploy things like authorized_keys, bash scripts, etc to ~200 boxes, so I thought about setting up a git repo per sysadmin user, so a sysadmin can just make his changes, the package is automatically built and pushed to the multiple repositories we have and we control the version deployed to machines via puppet
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08:09<tdiem>bremner: seemed better than having puppet to "recursive copy" each sysadmin directory, since if a sysadmin leaves, I could purge the package to have his home removed
08:12<shaun>tdiem: what's wrong with doing this using rsync ?
08:12<bremner>tdiem: I can't really help, I only know about packaging software. But my experience on the packaging help channel has been that people that try your idea hit strange problems because the tools are not designed for it.
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08:13<bremner>the short version is probably "You're on your own'
08:13<bremner>but with matching quotes ;).
08:13<tdiem>shaun: not every network is "connected" to a single point, thus distributing a deb file across different DCs is easier
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08:14<tdiem>shaun: also using --delete to rsync in case you remove a file from your home would also delete any local change you have
08:14<Walex>bremner: actually packages *should* be used for that, but it is very awkward.
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08:15<tdiem>bremner: I will try to hit them and see if someone previously did it. I do have some experience with packaging, but I was wondering why isn't so common for google, since I want to create that user account in the package also.
08:16<Walex>tdiem: but the kind of stuf you want to do is usually done with a configuration management systems, something like Cfengine or one of the very many alternatives.
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08:17<tdiem>Walex: yes, we have a few puppetmasters per datacenter (actually one per environment per datacenter) so the installation of the package would be triggered by it
08:18<Walex>the two most promising recent configuration management systems I have seen are Salt and Ansible
08:18<tdiem>Walex: but the idea is if I want to add a new ssh key file to my home, I commit to a git repo, jenkins build my package and distribute to repository servers (which is already in place)
08:18<Walex>tdiem: the idea would be not a package, but the file themselves installed by the configuration manager
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08:20<shaun>tdiem: there are lots of different types of packages. I was just trying to find the list.. (images, documentation etc) to see if any of those matched your criteria. Can't find the reference doc now (was in the creating packages section of the Debian Handbook)
08:20<Walex>tdiem: the package is just extra trouble, it is the same as distributing a ZIP and then unpacking it via the configuration manager. Unless there are _many_ files involved you can create file-by-file installation rules.
08:20<tdiem>Walex: but then its the same issue with using the rsync approach. Each user home must be available from every network and a recursive copy is bad, because if I do remove one file, they don't get removed from all servers. If you use an option like rsync's --delete, then you loose local things, like .bash_history
08:21<tdiem>the "bonus" point of a package that upgrading it would remove/overwrite files deployed by the package, not additional ones created by the user
08:21<Walex>tdiem: that depends on how you configure your Puppet or other configuration system
08:22<Walex>tdiem: yes, packages would be a good idea, also for deploying *any* configuration, but most package systems don't work well for that, that's why configuration managers exist.
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08:24<tdiem>yup. I agree I don't want to generate a virtualhost.conf inside a package, because in my case I use exported resources from other hosts in puppet (thus where orchestration kicks in). I was just wondering if someone ever saw/did that before so would have something to share about it. Sure I could do myself and write some blog post after :-P
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08:25<tdiem>but I'm happy that so far I haven't heard anything like "been there, done that, run away from it like a disease" :D
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08:29<tdiem>bremner: you did mentioned a packaging help channel, I've tried package, packages, packaging and no luck. Could you point me where to find it ? :)
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08:41<devil>tdiem: #mentors
08:41<tdiem>devil: thanks
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09:58<mouse>I might need some help. I've done something kinda dumb.
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09:58<mouse>I've googled and I can't seem to find anything about it.
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09:59<mouse>What I did was. I've installed Kopete on my Gnome3 Debian wheezy system. Kopete wouldn't run when I tried and now it's taking forever to logout/shutdown/reboot
10:00<mouse>I've uninstalled kopete naturally and it's still doing it. :(
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10:04<JacksonIsaac>My sources.list is not configured. How can I add Indian mirrors?
10:05<mouse>I don't think anyone's active right now.
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10:05<JacksonIsaac>Is there any way I can manually setup the sources
10:06<devil>JacksonIsaac: just add the appropriate line to debian.list
10:06<Azrael_->JacksonIsaac: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
10:06<mouse>you could edit them via sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
10:06<JacksonIsaac>I have reinstalled debian as space was not there. This time it didn't ask anything about configuring sources. I don't know the source link
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10:07<mouse>Hmm. I'm really confused what's causing my problem. I hate Kopete now.
10:08<JacksonIsaac>Not even apt-get update is helping
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10:14<mouse>The problem seems isolated to Gnome. Xfce logs in and out just fine
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10:15<peter1139>hmm, pulseaudio crashes for me when using the RT kernel :S
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10:57<Blal>Hey guys, sorry, noobish questions incoming
10:58<Blal>Oh, brb then they come
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11:01<stderr>I can hardly wait...
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11:02<Blal>Okay, basically. Every time I try to log inusing GNOME3 it reverts to gnome-classic, saying 'something' went wrong
11:02<Blal>and secondly the system settings refuses to start
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11:02<Blal>Can anyone help me please? thanks
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11:03<Blal>I don't have any sound either but I'll google that later
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11:04<Blal>I should note I have the AMD prop drivers installed but it was doing it before I installed them
11:05<stderr>No idea what "something" is?
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11:05<Samkov>if i want to install fglrx on wheezy amd64 do i still have to do any special configuration, before wheey hit stable there were some problems with fglrx and xserver and you have to modify libpciaccess0 or revert to an older version of xserver, does this still stand?
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11:06<stderr>Blal: Have you checked the logs?
11:06<Blal>I'm furiously googling but I'm not sure which log I need to check
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11:06<Blal>And no, the error tells me sweet fanny adams
11:07<SynrG>Blal: typically this means either a) your hardware doesn't support gnome-shell or b) you don't have the driver working properly (with gl accel)
11:07<stderr>Blal: ~/.xsession-errors for one.
11:07<blast007>Blal: how did you install the AMD drivers?
11:08<Blal>from the .run file found on AMD's site. The CCC works fine and I have my monitors configured
11:08<Blal>I'll look at that file
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11:08<Blal>I have a 3570k and AMD 7950
11:08<SynrG>Blal: which chipset do you have? lspci -nn | grep -i vga
11:09<Blal>I'll get the output from that too though
11:09<Blal>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Tahiti PRO [Radeon HD 7950] [1002:679a]
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11:11<SynrG>Blal: so, southern islands
11:12<SynrG>too bad.
11:12<Blal>Are they unsupported?
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11:13<SynrG>n.islands worked fine for me. s.islands support upstream is rough, still
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11:14<Blal>So, there's nothing I can do for now then? Damn, I wanted FREEDOM
11:14<SynrG>i don't know the status of fglrx-driver (from debian non-free repo)
11:14<mouse>great you guys are awake now
11:14<SynrG>Blal: it's not that there's nothing you can do ...
11:14<Blal>As in, the proprietary ones?
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11:14<SynrG>Blal: you've installed from upstream, though, and we don't support that here.
11:15<mouse>If any of you are free, I kind of messed up gnome. I'm still too newbie to figure out how to solve this.
11:15<Blal>Ah, okay. Sorry, I didn't realise that, is there another chan I can ask in? Thanks
11:15<SynrG>dpkg: ati
11:15<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
11:16<Blal>Ah, right, I'll go there then. Do you reckon it's the same reason why the system settings refuses to start?
11:16<SynrG>Blal: so, if your card is supported by flgrx-driver from non-free, i would use that instead ...
11:16<retrospectacus>you could also run a DE that doesn't require 3d accelleration
11:16<SynrG>Blal: but if you install from upstream, you need to seek help from the channel above
11:16<Blal>b...but muh eye-candy
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11:16<SynrG>once you get that working properly, gnome-shell should be happy
11:16<Blal>and right, I'll see what they have to say thanks
11:17<SynrG>good luck
11:17<SynrG>mouse: messed up in what way?
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11:17<Blal>I'm guessing audio is just a matter of drivers
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11:18<SynrG>mouse: i've read the backlog now.
11:18<mouse>I tried installing Kopete and it wouldn't show up in the apps. So, i ran it from terminal and now everytime i try to log out or reboot etc it takes a super long time to logout
11:18<SynrG>tail -f ~/.xsession-errors
11:18<SynrG>then logout and watch that ...
11:19<SynrG>see what gets logged there during your very slow logout
11:19<SynrG>it may give you clues where the delay is happening
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11:20<SynrG>did you remove kopete or purge it?
11:20<mouse>removed it
11:20<SynrG>did you autoremove (caution, check all removals to ensure they're sane!)?
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11:21<mouse>lol yeah, it was installing an insane amount
11:21<SynrG>i would: apt-get purge kopete && apt-get autoremove --purge
11:21<mouse>I did autoremove though after seeing this massive list
11:22<SynrG>but remove only, not purge? so you might have some residual config that actually has an executable component still left on your system
11:22<mouse>i'll check the log though real quick and get back to you. It might take a few minutes. It's a seriously long delay
11:22<SynrG>fun stuff
11:22<mouse>hmm okay. how would i purge?
11:22<mouse>or do I need to reinstall?
11:22<SynrG>well, climb into your delorean, go back to before you did the autoremove without purge, and do an autoremove *with* purge
11:23<mouse>I wish.. I'd go back further and be rich.
11:23<SynrG>otherwise, use <favourite tool for finding packages with residual configs> ...
11:23<SynrG>and purge all the ones you don't want
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11:23<SynrG>(synaptic has a "residual configs" filter; there's probably something in aptitude to find them, too)
11:24<Blal>I've always had n-veedya cards before and have had none of these such issues. Oh well, back to Windas for now, I'll idle in the #ati and hope someone replies. Thanks for the help
11:24<retrospectacus>aptitude purge '~c'
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11:31<mouse>okay, well that reported a lot of errors.
11:32<SynrG>well, with purge there are the "not removing" sorts of warnings, which are ok (when there are dirs that aren't empty and therefore can't be removed) and then there are real errors ...
11:32<SynrG>so, real errors, or not?
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11:33<mouse>I got some fatal IO error 11's. those sound liek the most ominous ones
11:34<mouse>resource temporarily unavailable on xserver
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11:36<SynrG>subjected your system to any *other* unusual stresses other than installing kopete / uninstalling it? dropped from a tall building? EMP? ...
11:37<retrospectacus>solar flares will get ya
11:37<mouse>nope, but it's about to find it's way to my list of things to do to it.
11:37<WhoDat>trying to figure out the wheezy way on a fresh install, will not let me manually configure in the network manager - so i guess i disable it and edit interfaces?
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11:37<dpkg>For basic networking, "man interfaces" and see . For further information, see and . See also <interfaces>.
11:37<SynrG>WhoDat: if you have interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces, by default, NM won't manage them.
11:38<SynrG>WhoDat: if you want NM to manage them, remove them from /e/n/i
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11:39<blast007>mouse: just to clarify, what reported errors? the .xsession-errors file? or trying to purge packages?
11:39<WhoDat>okay thanx
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11:39<mouse>the xsession-errors file
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11:41<SynrG>mouse: ah, not interested in errors in there during your package removal ... those are errors during logout *after* packages purged?
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11:41<blast007>did he purge packages yet? he was out of the channel when that aptitude command was mentioned.
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11:41<SynrG>ah ...
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11:42<SynrG>12:24 < retrospectacus> aptitude purge '~c'
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11:42<SynrG>that would get rid of anything with residual configs
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11:43<SynrG>that would ensure anything you did install along with kopete and then subsequently removed is completely removed.
11:43<mouse>okay, purging it
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11:43<SynrG>(assuming there are no other deps on them ... otherwise autoremove won't consider them candidates :p )
11:43<SynrG>do you have any other kde apps on that system?
11:43<mouse>it found like 144 files
11:44<mouse>nope, that was the only one
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11:44<mouse>kopete installed a TON of stuff. I should have really paid attention to what all was going to be installed before just hitting go
11:44<SynrG>aptitude versions ~ikde
11:44<SynrG>er, wait
11:45<SynrG>aptitude versions ~i^kde
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11:45<SynrG>(the other one is fine ... it would just also list libkde* too)
11:46<mouse>okay. it comes up empty thankfully
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11:46<mouse>so, now just try logging out again?
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11:47<Chopes>Hello everyone. The latest current stable is 7?
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11:48<SynrG>mouse: yes, but ... if there were running things that were started prior to your ...
11:48<SynrG>and ... gone
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11:50<mouse>same thing really.
11:50<mouse>since xfce works still.. would reinstalling gnome possibly fix anything?
11:50<retrospectacus>Chopes: 7.1 yes
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11:56<mouse>Actually, I'm not sure what to think about this. What about removing gnome completely?
11:57<mouse>sudo apt-get remove gnome --purge? Would that be sufficient to actually remove it all?
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11:58<Chopes>does anyone know what i should input as a network install url for an i3-2130? Everything im trying is getting invalid source.
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11:59<discipleofdante>Hey is there a debian iso that will have the non-free drivers on it? I can't use ethernet anymore and borked my install so bad that I have to reinstall
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12:00<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell discipleofdante about firmware images
12:00<retrospectacus>Chopes: you are trying a netboot install?
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12:01<discipleofdante>retrospectacus, And this will let me install AND has the non-free firmware on the disk?
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12:01<Chopes>im using xenserver and getting a iso library setup seems like way more of a hassle than its worth if I am just setting up a debian
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12:01<discipleofdante>retrospectacus, Okay thanks big time.
12:02<mouse>okay, I'll post a log of what .xsession-errors log reads
12:03<retrospectacus>Chopes: yeah I have never tried that. Maybe check out debootstrap or just use a netinstall iso
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12:03<mouse>that's the output of it. Logged it through xfce while logging out gnome
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12:05<Chopes>retrospectacus when I try giving it: it gives me invalid source, same if I try:
12:06<retrospectacus>that is not how netboot works at all... just use the netinstall iso
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12:07<Chopes>retrospectacus: screenshot of what im trying to do:
12:07<Chopes>im pretty sure its a netinstall? maybe not?
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12:08<retrospectacus>ah. No idea how that thing works, but you could try the #xen channel. I don't think it's <netboot>. Just grab the ISO you mentioned and use that option
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12:10<blast007>Chopes: could also try hitting that question mark icon in the top right and see if it tells you anything useful
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12:12<serginiopmaster>In Spanish, tengo una consulta para mi linux con entorno xubuntu como consulto si es de 32 o 64 bits, puede ser por consola o graficamente.
12:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:12<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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12:13<serginiopmaster>gracias, thanks
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12:17<discipleofdante>retrospectacus, Will Debian ever replace init with Systemd, and if it does, will it be automated or are people like me going to have to go through hell to get it working?
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12:18<retrospectacus>discipleofdante: I have no idea.
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12:19<discipleofdante>I will just install Systemd on it then and hope
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12:20<discipleofdante>Well I don't know how to work with init
12:20<discipleofdante>I know systemd
12:20<discipleofdante>Systemd boots faster
12:20<Maulkin>No it doesn't.
12:21<Maulkin>(Using Debian, anyway)
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12:21<discipleofdante>I find it has always booted faster than any init system I have seen
12:21<discipleofdante>Maulkin, Debian also has Systemd 44
12:21<retrospectacus>who still boots
12:21<discipleofdante>That is OLD
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12:22<discipleofdante>At least, the oldest I have heard of
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12:22<retrospectacus>leave on or suspend. I boot maybe 5 times a year, across 10 or so debian machines
12:22<discipleofdante>I have a laptop, not a desktop
12:22<discipleofdante>I boot up multiple times a DAY
12:22<Maulkin>discipleofdante: So do I.
12:22<Maulkin>discipleofdante: I never boot up
12:22<retrospectacus>me too, I suspend it.
12:23<discipleofdante>I boot 5 times a day at least, I never suspend, I never hibernate
12:23<Maulkin>discipleofdante: Do you have an actual debian question?
12:23<discipleofdante>It makes my system run really slow when I do
12:23<retrospectacus>he's crazy!
12:23<discipleofdante>When I asked it earlier I guess you must not have been paying attention Maulkin
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12:23<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell discipleofdante about systemd
12:23<vtoms>anyone have any experience with debian mips? I have an SGI Indy, would like to bring it back to life but the disk is dead could I boot it via TFTP then do everything else over NFS?
12:23<retrospectacus>discipleofdante: there are some channels you can talk about that in
12:24<discipleofdante>No one told me that, The Debian webpage just told me to come here for Debian-related questions
12:24<Maulkin>17:18 < retrospectacus> discipleofdante: I have no idea.
12:24<Maulkin>Tada, there's your answer.
12:24<retrospectacus>support only. There are other channels for other topics
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12:25<discipleofdante>Maulkin, I heard the answer.
12:25<discipleofdante>Maulkin, Or read, in this case.
12:25<retrospectacus>(if you'd asked the channel in general instead of addressing me, you may have gotten a better answer)
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12:25<Maulkin>discipleofdante: Excellent, anything else we can help you with while we're paying rapt attention to you?
12:26<discipleofdante>retrospectacus, Yeah no one else seemed to be here, on every other irc I have been on, if you ask the entire channel they just ignore you most of the time. Probably due to diffusion of responsibility
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12:26<retrospectacus>discipleofdante: nobody here is any more responsible than you
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12:27<discipleofdante>No no no it isn't that, there is this psychological term called diffusion of responsibility
12:27<Maulkin>Can we keep it on topic please?
12:27<Maulkin>vtoms: A number of people do. Have you had a look at the install guide?
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12:28<discipleofdante>retrospectacus, Anyway I am going to try and install this now, hopefully I won't kill my install again. Thanks for the help.
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12:29<vtoms>maulkin: thanks I have looked at the install guide, and can do that I think. I was more curious about doing everything else via NFS since the drive is DOA and SCSI drives are $$$
12:29<Maulkin>vtoms: In *theory* it works.
12:30<Maulkin>vtoms: Not tried it personally though
12:30<vtoms>maulkin: thanks for that I'll give it a shot at least. I figured I would ask before I went down a dead alley
12:30<Maulkin>vtoms: It's worth a look, certainly
12:30<vtoms>maulkin: appreciate the help!
12:31<Maulkin>vtoms: No problems, thanks for giving it a go :)
12:31<Maulkin>vtoms: probbaly has more info in too, please feel free to add to it
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12:33<retrospectacus>there are channels for nfs and mips too (/msg dpkg mips ; and nfs) vtoms
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12:39<freelinux>hey, i have an arch and a debian installation, how can I copy files from arch to debian?
12:39<SynrG>13:38 < freelinux> Can i copy files from my arch installation to my debian installation?
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12:39<SynrG>freelinux: depends on the files, really
12:40<SynrG>simple answer: "yes"
12:40<freelinux>is there an easier way than usb drive :P
12:40<retrospectacus>you almost certainly *can* but why?
12:40<linuxguy999>Hello Everyone. I have a great need on a backup scenario if anyone can help I would really really appreciate it.
12:40<SynrG>right, so your question is "how do i mount my arch partition?"
12:40<freelinux>wait no
12:40<freelinux>i think i know that
12:40<retrospectacus>linuxguy999: if it's Debian, just ask.
12:40<freelinux>just chroot in, right?
12:40<SynrG>freelinux: ah ... do you have it already mounted?
12:41<SynrG>freelinux: is this a permissions problem?
12:41<freelinux>oh, no…
12:41<mtn>20 questions!!
12:41<SynrG>start with your /etc/fstab
12:41<linuxguy999>I have a lvm install that toasted /boot is /sda1 swap i is /sda2 and root is / on /sda3 in vg00
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12:41<freelinux>no, my fstab is fine
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12:41<freelinux>do i just mount my arch partition?
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12:41<freelinux>where do i mount it? anywhere?
12:42<linuxguy999>I want to know how to recreate vg00 on a new system if the old system is toast and I only have file system backups of the old host
12:42<mtn>freelinux: are you running gnome, just use the file manager
12:42<freelinux>okay o-O
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12:43<SynrG>gnome puts removable media in /media ... i don't know about non-removable media. haven't tried that :)
12:43<linuxguy999>in theory I shoud be able to restore the vgcfgbackup with side booted linux inject thefiles and somehow make it bootable again
12:43<mtn>nautilus should show the other partitions
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12:43<SynrG>mtn: and it puts them where when you mount them? just curious
12:44<SynrG>mtn: or are you saying it automounts anything it can recognize?
12:44<mtn>SynrG: not sure, I am not in gnome at the moment, but I just click on it and it is mounted
12:44<freelinux>oh, hey, it just puts the unmounted partition in computer folder
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12:44<freelinux>i can just click to mount
12:44<retrospectacus>/media/<UUID> I thinks
12:44<mtn>yah, like that
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12:44<linuxguy999>anyone here good at recovery if you just have file backups?
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12:45<SynrG>unless you're on jessie or so ... /media/<USER>/<UUID> ?
12:45<retrospectacus>I'm not but I like that idea
12:45<SynrG>(at least in sid, i've notice removable media coming up this way recently)
12:46<freelinux>ok, im in root trying to copy a file from my arch partition to my debian partition and I'm getting permission denied
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12:47<mtn>freelinux: from where to where?
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12:47<linuxguy999>do a mount and see if its mounted ro
12:47<freelinux>no its mounted
12:47<linuxguy999>but is it rw
12:47<freelinux>from my arch root user's desktop to my debian nonsudoer desktop
12:47<linuxguy999>mount should show that info
12:48<mtn>freelinux: ah, always worked for me. check permissions on the arch folder
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12:48<freelinux>oh, hold on, if i use mv as root it can't turn me down :D
12:49<freelinux>also, elegant brit ate my menus :L
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12:51<freelinux>would starting bouth a website and a minecraft server (both selfhosted) would it slow my internet down by much?
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12:52<Norbertos>Hi folks !
12:52<retrospectacus>freelinux: only if people use them (a lot)
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12:53<freelinux>awesome. only like 5 people at a time use my server and website.
12:53<Norbertos>Is it safe/working to add "contrib" and "non-free" stickers after every single sources.list line ?
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12:54<freelinux>How to i change permissions for a folder (and its contents) from root to regular user?
12:54<WUKONS>hi there again.. using debian 7 and now im at new system, at last one had the same problem, but that was like 2 years ago, so i can't remember how i fixed it. the thing is, i'm trying to compile one tool/tut and it says: cannot find -lboost_system collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
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12:55<freelinux>SynrG: how do i change permissions for a folder and its contents?
12:56<retrospectacus>WUKONS: install libboost-system1.54-dev
12:56<SynrG>freelinux: chown
12:56<SynrG>you meant ownership, right?
12:56<Norbertos>freelinux: Itz is possible to do through the user interface too
12:56<Norbertos>freelinux: By right click, properties, then permissions tab
12:56<SynrG>so in general, e.g. chown synrg:synrg filename
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12:57<SynrG>or chown -R synrg:synrg directory (the directory and all contents, recursively)
12:57<freelinux>ah, that worked. thanks
12:58<freelinux>does debian come packaged with open jdk or do i have to install it?
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12:58<SynrG>freelinux: apt-cache search openjdk
12:59<retrospectacus>freelinux: java -version
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12:59<SynrG>freelinux: do you need the jdk or just jre? if the former, you can install default-jdk, otherwise default-jre
12:59<freelinux>jdk too.
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12:59<WUKONS>retrospectacus: I kinda installed all needed libboost debs in /tmp/debs
13:00<freelinux>how does one go about stating a selfhosted website o_O
13:00<retrospectacus>WUKONS: kinda? then you should "kinda" know what you're doing
13:00<retrospectacus>freelinux: what kind of website?
13:00<SynrG>freelinux: ah, that's a bigger question ... probably want to break it down into smaller, answerable questions :)
13:01<freelinux>ok… what questions should i be asking? ;)
13:01<SynrG>freelinux: see retrospectacus's question, for instance
13:01<WUKONS>retrospectacus: not really sure, sorry. but i tried your suggestion and it says it can't locate it
13:01<freelinux>Nothing fancy, just a blog
13:02<freelinux>blog/place where i can parade around my minecraft server IP
13:02<SynrG>you have numerous choices for the web server itself. do you have any specific preference?
13:02<SynrG>apache? nginx? something else?
13:02<freelinux>i already have tools to start an apache server
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13:03<blast007>freelinux: if you're using residential comcast, they prohibit running servers
13:03<SynrG>freelinux: that's as good a starting point as any other
13:03<blast007>freelinux: yeah, didn't you read their acceptable use policy? :)
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13:04<SynrG>blast007: how strongly do they prohibit it? most residential ISPs have something offensive in their TOS
13:04<freelinux>Well, no, I don't deal with that ;D
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13:04<SynrG>i've mostly ignored it (for years)
13:04<blast007>SynrG: no idea - just something worth mentioning ;)
13:04<freelinux>same, never ran into a problem with my minecraft server
13:05<SynrG>freelinux: if it gets you in hot water with your parents, don't say your uncle told you to :)
13:05<blast007>Likely not going to be an issue unless they see a lot of usage. My ISP (Charter) blocks port 80 for residental plans.
13:05<WUKONS>retrospectacus: or do i need to change the libboost dir somewhere?
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13:06<freelinux>got it, but i've been running a minecraft server for over half a year
13:06<SynrG>freelinux: ok, here's what we have for "real" stuff if we need it: we started a linux users group locally years ago ... the group has a debian server running as a VPS with lots of bandwidth ...
13:06<freelinux>you would think comcast would notice
13:06<SynrG>freelinux: if your minecraft server ever gets big, might want to consider something like that
13:07<retrospectacus>WUKONS: the library I mentioned is only in testing/sid - what are you trying to install?
13:07<SynrG>up 24/7, doesn't run out of anyone's home (anymore ... it started that way :)
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13:07<WUKONS>retrospectacus: oh. Trying to install Ocelot
13:07<freelinux>so how do i start setting up the apache server?
13:08<SynrG>freelinux: read the wiki page i linked yet?
13:08<freelinux>well, i read it, but hardly understand it
13:08<j4jackj>is there a libc7 yet?
13:09<SynrG>freelinux: well, at least the apt-get install apache2 part? :)
13:09<freelinux>yeah :)
13:09<freelinux>i have apache
13:09<SynrG>and of course for outside access to it, you need to open port 80 on your firewall and forward it to your host
13:10<SynrG>you've done that already for minecraft ...
13:10<freelinux>of course. Also done it for other things
13:10<SynrG>there should be a default "It works" kind of page there now
13:11<SynrG>you'll want to select some blog package and install that, and read its docs
13:12<freelinux>how does one find a blog package :P
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13:14<SynrG>freelinux: there are tons. what do you want in a blog package?
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13:14<freelinux>something simple, flowing, multipage support, able to support graphics and possibly advertisements (if i grow that much o_O)
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13:15<freelinux>or at least the next best thing
13:15<freelinux>something unbelievably customizable
13:15<freelinux>if you know what i mean, SynrG
13:16<SynrG>well, there is wordpress.
13:16<SynrG>it's php-based ...
13:16<SynrG>i'm mildly allergic to php, but otherwise, wordpress is nice
13:17<freelinux>SynrG: The problem with wordpress is that i feel like its kind of limiting, and i cant use my own domain name, which would make it look more "professional"
13:17<SynrG>there are tons of themes, plugins, etc. for it
13:17<SynrG>no, no ... the wordpress software. not their site.
13:17<freelinux>also I never understood how to
13:17<SynrG>apt-get install wordpress
13:17<blast007>freelinux: is a hosting service for the wordpress software, but you can install wordpress on your own server.
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13:18<freelinux>So I can start up an apache server with wordpress on it?
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13:18<SynrG>yes indeedy. your aunt's wordpress, hosted here at home: on a wheezy server on apache.
13:19<SynrG>(as we discussed, probably expressly against the AUP :)
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13:20<Calinou><SynrG> it's php-based ...
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13:20<Calinou>it's 2013, and wordpress is pretty nice.
13:20<Calinou>oh also it has themes that make use of hardware accel
13:20<Calinou>are you going to hate based on this? 8D
13:20<SynrG>did i say hate?
13:20<freelinux>wow, if that doesnt look professional i dont know what is
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13:20<SynrG>Calinou: you'll notice i'm continuing to recommend he install it
13:20<Calinou>well ok then
13:21<SynrG>like i said: "mildly" allergic. that's all
13:21<SynrG>wouldn't be a big enough reason to chuck it out if i found i liked the other things about it, which i do (for my wife, anyway)
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13:24<freelinux>SynrG: So I have wordpress, and it looks like its attatching itself to my running apache webserver
13:25<freelinux>SynrG: what now?
13:25<SynrG>freelinux: i dunno. i don't use the debian wordpress package. i have it installed from upstream ...
13:25<SynrG>freelinux: presumably next is to read the doc. /usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.Debian for starters
13:25<freelinux>good idea
13:27<freelinux>Oh my, does EVERY installed package have a doc?
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13:28<Norbertos>Can I add "contrib" and "non-free" to every line in sources.list ?
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13:28<retrospectacus>Norbertos: you can, you may get warnings for 404 but you can ignore them (or remove those)
13:29<SynrG>freelinux: yes, every one has something in /usr/share/doc ... not always, but often, README.Debian, which has important debian-specific instructions
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13:29<Norbertos>retrospectatus: So you say, I can figure out what line doesn't have that two by see error messages ?
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13:30<retrospectacus>Norbertos: right
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13:30<SynrG>freelinux: some of them have a larger doc component split into <packagename>-doc packages that are not always installed by default.
13:30<SynrG>e.g. large user manual in html/pdf/whatever
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13:32<Norbertos>retrospectatus: Thanks, man !
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13:32<freelinux>so how do i make apache "Point" to wordpress?
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13:32<freelinux>SynrG: see above
13:33<SynrG>freelinux: a2ensite, maybe?
13:33<SynrG>like i said, i don't know how the wordpress debian package is structured ...
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13:33<SynrG>if i were writing it, i'd provide some default site that you could customize in /etc/apache/sites.d/ or so and then 'a2ensite' to enable it
13:34<freelinux>that's what it did...
13:34<SynrG>er, /etc/apache2/sites-available/ is where it is
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13:34<SynrG>and? anything accessible from your web browser now? at http://localhost/wordpress maybe?
13:35<freelinux>er, wait a second
13:35<SynrG>(just making stabs at this ... again, don't have the README in front of me ... presumably this is covered in it :)
13:35<freelinux>ok, default is enabled.
13:36<freelinux>iceweasel… firefox… I see what you did there, devs
13:37<SynrG>oops. gotta run. bus to catch
13:37<freelinux>Ha! SynrG, that yields "IT Works!
13:37<freelinux>but where do I put the wordpress stuff SynrG?
13:38<retrospectacus>did you try http://localhost/wordpress
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13:38<retrospectacus>and reading that doc
13:38<freelinux>that doesnt go anywher
13:38<freelinux>no url
13:39<retrospectacus>you mean 404?
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13:41<freelinux>how do i point apache to wordpress?
13:41<blast007>did you read /usr/share/doc/wordpress/README.Debian ?
13:42<freelinux>yeah, can't say i understand it
13:42<blast007>then perhaps running a dynamic website is not for you
13:42<freelinux>ill get it eventually
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13:59<dpkg>pino_: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi per sapere di più.
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14:14<j4jackj>Elv1313_work: hi! I see you have IPv6. I do not; my ISP blocks Proto41 and has not provided an IP6 capable router.
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14:18<nocturnal>hey I just found something in nsswitch.conf on a vanilla debian 7 install causing problems for my name resolution. why does the hosts line have mdns4_minimal in it? I had to remove that and move dns up the order to solve my resolution problem.
14:18<nocturnal>it's vanilla debian 7 install from netboot files, mipsel
14:19<stderr>j4jackj: Consider getting a better ISP, if you can.
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14:20<nocturnal>the whole line was in fact hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
14:21<j4jackj>stderr I have about as good an ISP as you can get up here in Canada.
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14:21<stderr>nocturnal: Did you have problems with all name lookups or only *.local?
14:21<nocturnal>stderr: only .local yes, seems like you know the problem
14:21<nocturnal>my lan domain is domain.local
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14:21<nocturnal>short names worked
14:22<stderr>mdns is multicast DNS used by zeroconf / avahi / whatever the name is...
14:22<stderr>And they use .local
14:22<nocturnal>so this zeroconf, or whatever, has been used during the install process?
14:23<stderr>Maybe. I don't know. But my guess would be that you only have part of zeroconf/avahi/whatever running. You're missing the mDNS-part.
14:24<nocturnal>like I said, this is a fresh debian 7 install. if that is running, then it's running due to wheezy install process. of course, it could also be due to me selecting the desktop package, and then uninstalling gnome* manually
14:25<stderr>Do you have avahi-daemon installed?
14:25<nocturnal>yes, the whole package
14:25<nocturnal>thanks for the help
14:25<nocturnal>I have no need for libavahi or multicast dns
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14:38<phillipsjk>somehow the GIMP became my default PDF viewer after the upgrade.
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14:44<igor>hablan español?
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14:45<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:45<musca>hi sdg...
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14:46<sdgasash336236236>hey whats goin on
14:46<bremner>what do I need for intel I217LM ethernet controller support in wheezy? the kmuto images seem to be squeeze only.
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14:47<freelinux>Agh. Why won't my website be accessible  to anybody else???
14:48<SynrG>freelinux: details?
14:48<retrospectacus>lots of reasons
14:48<freelinux>i dont even know
14:48<musca>freelinux: your router protects it.
14:48<freelinux>port forward is fine
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14:48<freelinux>it is right?
14:48<retrospectacus>perhaps your ISP forbids it
14:48<freelinux>hold on
14:48<SynrG>yes, but ... nmap from here probably says otherwise. it goes back to the caution earlier that Charter may block port 80
14:48<ompaul>freelinux: ok look at it from a faraway machine, either your isp blocks it - no clear way around that or your router blocks it
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14:49<ompaul>freelinux: if you can attach to the box either from itself or somewhere on the network that box is on, then you are there already :)
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14:50<SynrG>freelinux: oh, or ... you have bound to localhost?
14:50<SynrG>that will get you nowhere fast :)
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14:51<freelinux>Both of the above
14:51<freelinux>My internal IP address changed
14:52<SynrG>freelinux: ah. doesn't your router have a way to nail it down?
14:52<SynrG>freelinux: failing that, you could use a static IP# config
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14:52<SynrG>(but make sure the router reserves a range of IP#s to *not* manage dynamically)
14:52<freelinux>wait a second
14:52<freelinux>Using localhost as servername
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14:53<freelinux>is this a problem
14:53<SynrG>maybe paste your site config?
14:53<SynrG> or so
14:53<SynrG>not pastes into the channel. that will get you auto-kicked :)
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14:54<SynrG>freelinux: hmmm, my meeting starts in 5m, so if i abruptly vanish, that's why
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14:55<freelinux>skyshi.ft is my domain
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14:55<j4jackj>Are you sure? .ft is not a ccTLD to me
14:55<freelinux>i have it up in nano to change at a moments notice
14:55<freelinux>is that a problem?
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14:56<freelinux>does it need to be a ccTLD?
14:56<j4jackj>Get a .com or .tk please.
14:56<j4jackj>It has to be one you registered.
14:57<SynrG>well, it doesn't resolve for me
14:57<SynrG>gotta go. meeting time
14:57<freelinux>what do you mean "registered"
14:57<ompaul>freelinux: whats the associated ip
14:57<retrospectacus>there is no such thing as .ft
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14:57<ompaul>freelinux: go to the internet and look at
14:57<freelinux>aahhhh fine
14:57<antifa>for the smbtree command I get this
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14:57<antifa>hello ?
14:58<j4jackj>this what?
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14:58<antifa> \\DEZSO-PC
14:58<antifa> \\DEZSO-PC\Printer Send To OneNote 2010
14:58<antifa> \\DEZSO-PC\Desktop F
14:58<antifa> \\DEZSO-PC\C$ Default share
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14:58<retrospectacus>learning is fun!
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14:58<kiree>Are there any nice webadmin interfaces for debian? Im thinkin of turning my old box into a NAS?
14:58<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
14:59<j4jackj>Put it in a pastebin next time.
14:59<kiree>and im kinda lost on where to start..
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14:59<antifa>my question was how can I ping the machine showed by smbtree?
14:59<retrospectacus>kiree: ssh is the only interface you need
14:59<peter1139>with ping?
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15:00<kiree>that i have :) but would be nice with something convinient like something the Qnap servers offers for example
15:00<retrospectacus>kiree: never heard of it. What do you want to do?
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15:01<j4jackj>freelinux: can you register that domain name? i should be able to help you get somewhere with it.
15:01<kiree>retrospectacus: basically add/remove services manage shares in a slick and easyish interface.. remotely
15:02<kiree>retrospectacus: here is a demo if you are interested:
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15:03<antifa>ok ok with ping but every time I try to ping anithing that returns from smbtree command it says onknow host
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15:04<j4jackj>freelinux: ping. we were talking about skyshift.
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15:06<freelinux>Do i have to register it?
15:06<kiree>looks like webmin is what i want.. hmm
15:06<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see . The Debian package from is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives.
15:07<kiree>!free whcp
15:07<dpkg>FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>.
15:08<retrospectacus>freelinux: to be clear: yes you need a domain name with DNS service to let others access your website by a name. This costs money and we cannot help (much) with that. No there is no such thing as anything.ft
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15:10<retrospectacus>freelinux: you should verify that the public can connect to port 80 of your home IP before continuing... as we said many times your ISP might be blocking that.
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15:19<retrospectacus>freelinux: it appears that I *can* connect to HTTP at your house. Your domain name is registered but it looks like You haven't set up DNS properly (hosting a website is not as easy as you may have believed but you have a good start)
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15:20<freelinux>yeah, how do i set up the dns?
15:20<retrospectacus>you need a DNS server. You can probably rent this service from the place where you bought the domain
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15:21<freelinux>what's my host name?
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15:22<freelinux>how do i find my host name?
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15:22<retrospectacus>freelinux: um. it's hard to tell what you really want.
15:22<xxx123>ghbdtn rnju gj heccrb ujdjhbbn rfr pfgecnbnm dbltj d ctnb xthtp ,hfepth yf k byerct
15:23<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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15:23<less>freelinux: uname -n
15:24<freelinux>nvm i got it
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15:24<retrospectacus>that ^ is the answer to your question but is almost certainly not what you really wanted
15:24<freelinux>nope :P
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15:25<discipleofdante>Dang, for switching to testing all I should have to do is edit my /etc/apt/sources.list and change every occurance of wheezy to testing right?
15:25<retrospectacus>discipleofdante: if you need to ask that, you should not switch
15:25<discipleofdante>Or should I comment out the section labeled "wheezy-updates"?
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15:25<discipleofdante>retrospectacus, I am used to Arch is all, Debian is a bit different to me
15:26<freelinux>same discipleofdante
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15:26<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell discipleofdante about testing
15:26<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell discipleofdante about wheezy->jessie
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15:27<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell discipleofdante about debian-next
15:27<discipleofdante>Alrighty, thanks that is what I thought, and sorry I guess I was on the wrong irc.
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15:27<retrospectacus>no worries there
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15:29<discipleofdante>Alrighty, this solves most of my worries, now to just get my preferred desktop. Thanks retrospectacus. To be honest I was expecting Debian's IRC to be a bit more.... uppity, the larger distributions tend to be more uppity than the smaller ones, but that seems to not be the case here (although there is at least one person I really rather dislike that was here)
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15:31<retrospectacus>debian (and any other OS) has no control over who joins the channels... only who gets kicked (sort of)
15:33<discipleofdante>retrospectacus, Yeah that is true, but often I don't see the mean or elitist types hanging around on small OS IRCs, usually bigger OSs get them in my experience as a 4 year distro-hopper.
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15:33<retrospectacus>*shrug* we all know Debian is the absolute best, no need to preach ;)
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15:34<discipleofdante>Well I have not used it really so I am keeping my mouth shut there, but I will warn you, NEVER EVER EVER enter the Arch IRC. Stick to the forums. Trust me.
15:35<Sicelo>arch does have a great wiki
15:35<discipleofdante>Indeed it does.
15:35<discipleofdante>Arch wiki was my primary source of information for just about anything linux related while I was on Arch-based distributions
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15:37<discipleofdante>I have tried way too many distributions.....
15:37<Sicelo>lol. :D
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15:42<discipleofdante>So what is the rule with chatting on here, is it a strict, on-topic only policy, or is it more-or-less a "as long as the chatting doesn't get in the way or turn NSFW" type deal?
15:42<retrospectacus>support only.
15:42<freelinux>try #debian-offtopic
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15:43<retrospectacus>there is #debian-offtopic or #moocows (non-debian general polite chat) or #tardigans (anything (?))
15:43<discipleofdante>I think tardigans is a geek chat place. I see it and only see TARDIS
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15:46<hard>Bonsoir a tous
15:46<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
15:46<hard>thx ^^ :)
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15:48<bahamat>Hey, I'm trying to use an insserv override but it seems to be ignoring my override file
15:49<bahamat>The override file contains only the LSB info, nothing else.
15:49<bahamat>Am I doing this right?
15:50<discipleofdante>Oh hey one more question. What is the most desktop agnostic alternative to gdebi for handling .deb files from the file-browser?
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15:51<retrospectacus>discipleofdante: dpkg (cli)
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15:52<discipleofdante>Thanks, but I was referring to a GUI one, or is gdebi the only gui deb handling program?
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15:53<hard>hi, is possible make to reset for iptable, i use rescu mod and script auto-lauch
15:53<bahamat>discipleofdante: synaptic? or are you looking for not-apt?
15:53<Sicelo>synaptic could install them the last time i used it
15:54<discipleofdante>bahamat, What I meant was like, I have a .deb that I downloaded, from the web, something that is either outdated in the repos or isn't in the repos, like Google Chrome (ewww), and I just want to click the deb and have a gui pop up and install it.
15:54<retrospectacus>hard: reset iptables? google it - it'd be some flush, delete all chains, policy accept rules
15:54<discipleofdante>Can synaptic do that?
15:54<discipleofdante>Oh. Man either things have changed or I was stupid 3-4 years ago.
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15:55<peter1139>win 43
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15:56<Sicelo>that's many windows peter1139, yay!
15:56<hard>y have script for reset config iptable yes, i don't need reset iptable in rescu mod
15:56<hard>i need restor and other server
15:57<hard>i need restor in other server*
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15:57<retrospectacus>hard: maybe the "iptables-save" and "iptables-restore" commands will help you
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16:01<j4jackj>I just found and told someone their IP address
16:01<hard>sory for me bad english, i need to connect server rescu and server for modifie iptable
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16:02<hard>not possible interact in server, all port closed, i have other server ans acces SSH
16:02<j4jackj>what is your native language?
16:02<hard>i need send script
16:02<j4jackj>what is your native language?
16:02<retrospectacus>hard: scp?
16:02<retrospectacus>j4jackj: french
16:03<j4jackj>I was asking hard.
16:03<hard>canal french no respond all AFK
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16:04<j4jackj>hard trf them again; i can't quite understand you.
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16:07<hard>After you install firestater while the port is closed, I have put the server in rescu mode, but I do not know go to the hard drive or what is the bone repair, rescu mode I do not see either files a edited with FTP.
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16:08<hard>thx google translat :)
16:08<j4jackj>what the
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16:08<bigjust>something, something FTP
16:09<hard>dont view iptable config in FTP
16:09<hard>. . .
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16:09<ltuna>Why might a bluetooth device name not show up in the Gnome 3 bluetooth manager? Are there any extra packages I should install to expand bluetooth support?
16:10<j4jackj>freelinux: ping. about skyshift?
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16:21<discipleofdante>Hey when I install lightdm is it enabled by the package manager?
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16:21<discipleofdante>Or will I have to go and figure out how to start lightdm by default using sysvinit?
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16:25<Kayron>Hello. How can I restrict a user logging in with PKI so he can log in only to his user account?
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16:29<retrospectacus>Kayron: what is "pki"?
16:30<Kayron>pub/private keys
16:30<retrospectacus>I thought so... then I don't understand the question
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16:31<Kayron>ok, I'm just setting this up, I want to make sure if I give a user access, he cant log on as root
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16:32<Kayron>I added his key to authorized_keys, but whats stopping him from choosing to log in as root?
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16:32<retrospectacus>the key not being in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
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16:33<retrospectacus>authorized_keys only applies to log in as the user whose $HOME/.ssh/ that file is in, if you follow
16:33<less>There's also a setting in sshd_config forbidding root logins altogether.
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16:34<Kayron>yeah ok, THATS WHAT i HOPED
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16:35<Kayron>but my sshd_config says this - AuthorizedKeysFile .ssh/authorized_keys
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16:35<Kayron>where does it look for the user dir?
16:35<retrospectacus>the user's $HOME
16:35<freelinux>Ok guys, I need help setting up apache on .TK
16:36<retrospectacus>usually /home/username or /root for root
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16:37<retrospectacus>Kayron: you can see the homes in /etc/passwd if you like
16:37<Kayron>ahh ok, got it
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16:38<retrospectacus>freelinux: your DNS is not working yet and you haven't set up wp-config.php yet
16:38<freelinux>Idk why my DNS wont work
16:38<Kayron>btw some google results have %h before the path, I assume thats supposed to be the home dir?
16:38<freelinux>Can I setup my own?
16:38<Kayron>because my
16:38<freelinux>Can I setup my own DNS
16:38<Kayron>my config doesnt have the %h
16:39<less>freelinux: in theory yes, but it takes a lot of Googling.
16:39<retrospectacus>Kayron: mine does: #AuthorizedKeysFile%h/.ssh/authorized_keys (commented) - not sure if you did something there
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16:40<retrospectacus>freelinux: you're much better off using a DNS service provided somewhere
16:40<Kayron>ah ok, so it's supposed to have the %h
16:40<Kayron>just making sure
16:40<retrospectacus>Kayron: looks like it.
16:41<retrospectacus>freelinux: I think your DNS will work after a while. AFAICT the root .tk servers just haven't picked up the WHOIS update on your domain yet
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16:41<retrospectacus>freelinux: don't worry too much if you don't understand the second part of that
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16:43<freelinux>should i setup my wordpress first :P
16:43<less>Patience is a virtue when it comes to DNS.
16:44<retrospectacus>freelinux: anyways you can see in your browser that wordpress needs a wp-config.php file so proceed with that.
16:44<nocturnal>I set the sudo package into ri by accidentally trying to remove it without a root password set. it didn't work but how can I change its state back to ii?
16:44<Sicelo>edit your /etc/hosts if you can't wait :P
16:44<retrospectacus>freelinux: wordpress also needs a mysql database. You'll want to read up on that too
16:44<freelinux> oh no
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16:44<freelinux>i already set that up
16:45<retrospectacus>nocturnal: apt-get install --reinstall sudo?
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16:45<retrospectacus>freelinux: good, you will need that when you create wp-config.php
16:45<nocturnal>thanks it worked
16:45*nocturnal signs retrospectacus
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16:47<freelinux>electro swing :D
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16:51<rafal>jest ktos z Polski?
16:51<dpkg>hmm... polish is spoken in on (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska ->
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16:58<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
16:59<dpkg>rumour has it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
16:59<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell freelinux about msg the bot
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17:01<EmoSpice>I am attempting to remove a package from a self managed repo. We've removed the package from the repository, but the package is still showing up in apt-cache after an apt-get update on a client box. Is there a step I'm missing here?
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17:02<EmoSpice>(I should say - "we've used reprepro to remove it." I didn't just delete the deb :P)
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17:03<renolse>debian 7.1, kernel 3.1.0, fs = xfs. When creating folders using mkdir on the fs and
17:03<renolse>then using the code listed here
17:04<renolse>to get information about it, it quite often returns nothing, and often returns a negative inode number.
17:04<renolse>What can be causing this?
17:04<hard>omg :/ after mount hdd
17:04<hard>root@debian:~# mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/home
17:05<hard>#/dev/sda2 looks like swapspace - not mounted
17:06<retrospectacus>hard: check "fdisk -l /dev/sda" to see what the partitions are
17:07<hard>ok thx i go see
17:07<retrospectacus>EmoSpice: check Contents..gz and /var/lib/dpkg/available ?
17:08<hard>#/dev/sdb1 2048 20482047 10240000 fd Linux raid autodetect
17:08<hard>#/dev/sdb2 20482048 24578047 2048000 82 Linux swap / Solaris
17:08<hard>#/dev/sdb3 24578048 250069679 112745816 fd Linux raid autodetect
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17:08<retrospectacus>hard: there you go - sdb2 is swap. (but you said sda earlier)
17:08<retrospectacus>hard: and please don't paste in the channel. /msg dpkg paste
17:09<hard>sory :)
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17:09<hard>for sda1 mount: mount point /mnt/home does not exist
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17:10<EmoSpice>retrospectacus: I see inconsistencies in var/lib/dpkg/available. I'll google around. Thanks for the pointer :)
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17:11<retrospectacus>hard: well... did you mount / at /mnt ? ...
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17:14<dpkg>(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see
17:15<j4jackj>NOT freenode!
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17:25<renolse>What can be causing this?
17:25<dpkg>XFS is a filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance (metadata-only) journalling and large disk support. Zeroed files on power failures is fixed since Linux 2.6.17 ( Supposedly not as mature, in linux, as <ext3>. Unable to be shrunk. Broken on armel and hppa prior to Linux 2.6.34 (Debian bug #423562). #xfs on
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17:29<retrospectacus>renolse: and I'm not sure about this code thing you linked - did you try the "stat" command on the shell instead?
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17:52<cyb3r_kill3r>ivan hakujes li
17:53<user__>Hi, I'm not familiar with ubuntu. I'm using xtf 4 in the GUI
17:53<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc user__
17:53<dpkg>user__: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
17:54<cyb3r_kill3r>ko mi ima poslati literaturu za hakovanje
17:54<cyb3r_kill3r>hvala unaprijed
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17:54<retrospectacus>cyb3r_kill3r: polski?
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17:55<freelinux>!bosnian cyb3r_kill3r
17:56<abrotman>no ..
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17:56<abrotman>cyb3r_kill3r: english here please
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17:56<abrotman>cyb3r_kill3r: do you need help with Debian?
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17:58<abrotman>guess not
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18:01<freelinux>So, how can i get people to be able to see my blog WITHOUT adding on to /etc/hosts SynrG?
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18:04<retrospectacus>freelinux: when I run "dig -t a SKYSHIFT.TK +trace" the query gets to a.ns.TK but not to , which is your DNS listed in whois, and which does know the IP.
18:05<retrospectacus>which tells me either is misconfigured, or just hasn't got the update yet that your domain's DNS is on
18:05<retrospectacus>you may just have to wait.
18:06<freelinux>So i have another website on i was using to host my minecraft server
18:06<freelinux>could that be conflicting with it?
18:06<retrospectacus>no; unlimited names could resolve to an IP
18:06<freelinux>well, when I go to it I get my blog, so could I use it as a CNAME?
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18:08<SynrG>yeah, that would work
18:08<harambasha>Hi, guys.. I'v got problem with burning dual layer DVD in Brasero. It seems it's burning just fine until it's time to move on to second layer. Than burning stops with an error.
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18:08<retrospectacus>freelinux: it should, but your DNS still needs to work
18:08<j4jackj>retrospectacus: he's using Dot TK DNS
18:09<retrospectacus>I know. it doesn't seem to be working
18:09<freelinux>Stupid Dot TK.
18:09<harambasha>Is anyone had similar problem?
18:10<j4jackj>It wolks for me though... telnet 8080 and GET /
18:11<retrospectacus>I got BAD REFERRAL for that name
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18:12<freelinux>Ok, back to making my own DNS.
18:12<j4jackj>It wolks for me though... telnet 8080 and GET /
18:12<freelinux>The wuestion is, what question am I asking?
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18:13<j4jackj>We dunno
18:14<SynrG>well, there's an either/or there.
18:14<SynrG>when did you set it up? because as retrospectacus said, it may just not have the update yet
18:14<j4jackj>What we know is that we don't know.
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18:15<retrospectacus>hosting your own DNS is theoretically possible, but if your PC is not always on, or the IP ever changes, it is not going to work very well. Also, usually you need a *name* to put on your whois for DNS if you don't have dns, you have no name... chicken and egg
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18:17<freelinux>but is it practical.
18:18<SynrG>you have the dynamic dns service. you have the .tk domain, and that should probably be a CNAME for the address, yes.
18:18<SynrG>that's the only really sane way to do it
18:19<freelinux>also, theres the fact that no flash elements load.
18:19<retrospectacus>you could set up your PC as a NS for SKYSHIFT.TK, forward port 53, set (or whatever) as the DNS for SKYSHIFT.TK
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18:20<retrospectacus>first day having a website and you've gone and put flash on it :\
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18:20<SynrG>flash? wtf? sorry, seriously?
18:21<SynrG>sure you don't mean css/js?
18:21<freelinux>I don't know what I'm talking about, so, probably.
18:21<SynrG>if you mean "it doesn't look all pretty-like", yes it does ... when i bang in the ip# in my /etc/hosts
18:22<SynrG>links wiggle when i mouseover, etc.
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18:22<retrospectacus>haha... yeah I don't see any flash here
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18:23<Raposa>i need a torrent downloader
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18:23<retrospectacus>transmission or deluge
18:23<Raposa>don't work
18:23<SynrG>i find transmission perfect for my needs
18:23<SynrG>i run transmission-daemon and on all hosts where i need access, use transgui
18:23<Raposa>i can install but i cant use it
18:23<bremner>deluge works for me.
18:23<freelinux>ok, how do i use as a cname?
18:24<Raposa>don't have any other ?
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18:24<Raposa>deluge is for torrents ?
18:24<SynrG>do keep in mind your firewall may need some setup
18:24<Raposa>i will see it
18:24<retrospectacus>,i deluge
18:24<Taggg>hello, i installed a fresh version of debian 7.1, and it has EGLIBC in stead of GLIBC. is this expected?
18:24<freelinux>my firewall is set up
18:24<judd>Package deluge (net, optional) in wheezy/i386: bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK. Version: 1.3.3-2+nmu1; Size: 32.4k; Installed: 93k; Homepage:; Screenshot:
18:24<bremner>Taggg: yes
18:24<SynrG>freelinux: different "you" :)
18:25<retrospectacus>Raposa: what seems to be the problem? transmission, utorrent, deluge are all pretty similar.
18:25<Taggg>bremner: how do i install glibc?
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18:25<retrospectacus>Taggg: don't
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18:25<bremner>Taggg: why do you want it?
18:25<retrospectacus>Taggg: you want eglibc
18:25<daemonkeeper>Taggg: There is no glibc for years.
18:25<daemonkeeper>Since Lenny I think.
18:25<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Taggg about eglibc
18:26<SynrG>freelinux: re CNAME, that depends on your registrar ... hopefully the web interface or whatever they use for configuring your domain name allows you to pick CNAME
18:26<Taggg>retrospectacus, bremner, daemonkeeper: i want to use
18:26<Azrael_->i've got some linux servers and want them to backup each other. what software can you suggest?
18:27<retrospectacus>Azrael_-: rsnapshot
18:27<SynrG>freelinux: if you were self-hosting as per retrospectacus's clues, you would configure your own dns (bind9 or so) probably by a text zone file
18:27<Taggg>retrospectacus, bremner, daemonkeeper: which requires GLIBC
18:27<daemonkeeper>Taggg: How is that related to your glibc?
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18:27<bremner>Taggg: are you 1000% sure eglibc won't work?
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18:27<Azrael_->retrospectacus: that's what i'm currently using but it lacks some managing tools. atm some of the backups got bigger and thus it just fails
18:27<daemonkeeper>eglibc is fully compatible to glibc.
18:27<Taggg>bremner: less-mouse: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by less-mouse)
18:27<retrospectacus>Taggg: I can scroll files in the "less" that came with debian. what is this thing?
18:28<Taggg>bremner: i suppose i could modify less-mouse
18:28<daemonkeeper>Taggg: That has _nothing_ to do with glibc or eglibc.
18:28<daemonkeeper>This is about your ABI which does not match.
18:28<bremner>Taggg: are you trying to run a binary from arch on Debian?
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18:28<retrospectacus>Azrael_-: if they are too big delete something. That's all I use for years
18:28<Taggg>bremner: lol yeah i'm an idiot, i retract my question
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18:29<freelinux>errr, so, I set up my PC as a name server for
18:29<Norbertos>Hey, guys, how can I set up ALSA in alsamixer to 0% amplify ? (snd_hda_intel)
18:29<freelinux>How does one do that, retrospectatus :P
18:30<retrospectacus>freelinux: do what?
18:30<freelinux>Set up my pc as a nameserver
18:30<stderr>Doesn't .tk domains need at least two nameservers?
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18:31<freelinux>im setting as the other one
18:31<retrospectacus>freelinux: install some nameserver software (usually bind9) and configure it to server records for that domain
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18:32<freelinux>woah woah slow down
18:32<freelinux>"server records"
18:32<retrospectacus>serve* records
18:32<blast007>setting up a nameserver hosted on a residental connection with a dynamic IP?
18:32<freelinux>still confused
18:32<stderr>freelinux: Do you know what a nameserver does?
18:32<freelinux>yes blast007
18:32<retrospectacus>whooo boy
18:33<blast007>I'd recommend just using Dot TK's DNS hosting
18:33<retrospectacus>it serves records
18:33<freelinux>that sucks.
18:33<stderr>Then buy a domain in another TLD.
18:33<freelinux>blast007: aren't you the one who told me to give up earlier?
18:34<freelinux>stderr: i have no money.
18:35<blast007>though I was talking specifically about dynamic sites at the time, referring to the fact that you should have probably started with static content to figure out web server configuration first, and *then* adding dynamic content into the mix later ;)
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18:35<freelinux>yeah i got that, thanks ;D
18:35<retrospectacus>Dot TK's DNS hosting is the way to go, assuming it's free with the domain name. it *should* work eventually - check again tomorrow
18:36<freelinux>why not try to set up my pc as a nameserver in the mean time?
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18:36<freelinux>what hamr could be done?
18:36<blast007>because you need at least two reliable systems
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18:37<freelinux>I can you the nameserver that no-ip provdies too
18:37<retrospectacus>1) it's a big job 2) you'd have to update WHOIS again which would again require propagation delay 3) home is no place for DNS 4) you should have multiple NS
18:37<blast007>I don't think no-ip provides free backup DNS
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18:37<freelinux>blast007: you are such a pessimist man
18:37<stderr>freelinux: Just ask people to use,, or as DNS, if they want to access your domain. :-)
18:38<retrospectacus>that would work in the meantime
18:38<SynrG>freelinux: seriously, start a LUG in your area
18:38<SynrG>they probably need one
18:39<blast007>freelinux: nah, I spent some time myself trying to set up my own name servers. While I was successful in my little test, I was made aware of attacks that use DNS servers, and that kinda scared me away..
18:39<SynrG>freelinux: -> #debian-offtopic :)
18:39<blast007>freelinux: look up DNS amplification attacks
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18:39<freelinux>So NOW using a CNAME works!
18:39<retrospectacus>DNS does run a lot of traffic too, even for a small site
18:39<freelinux>NOW IT DOES.
18:40<Raposa>anyone help me to install deluge
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18:40<retrospectacus>Raposa: apt-get install deluge
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18:40<Raposa>yes i do this but don work
18:40<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Raposa about bat
18:40<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Raposa about doesn't work
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18:41<retrospectacus>freelinux: "now it does" - everything to do with DNS requires waiting for hours for "propagation"
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18:42<blast007>Usually they mention waiting up to 48 hours after you change name servers, for instance.
18:42<freelinux>Ach. now I have to wait a few hours for the CNAME, the A record, and my other A record to start doing anything.
18:42<retrospectacus>yep. there's no rushing DNS
18:42<Raposa>when i open the termional, is just that ? just open the terminal or have any detail for that ?
18:42<retrospectacus>take a nap
18:43<SynrG>you rush a DNS, you get a rotten DNS
18:43<freelinux>So now what, that my DNS is being configured
18:43<SynrG>(ob. princess bride ref)
18:43<retrospectacus>Raposa: unparseable. try again
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18:43<SynrG>freelinux: now what is email.
18:43<freelinux>Ok, where do I start?
18:44<freelinux>My mta is...
18:44<freelinux>hold on..
18:45<SynrG>yeah, so dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ... should be self-explanatory
18:45<retrospectacus>freelinux: you don't need to tell us to hold on. Just wait and finish your train of thought before hitting enter.
18:45<SynrG>(provided you have your ISP's smarthost address)
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18:45<Raposa>Lendo listas de pacotes... Pronto
18:45<Raposa>Construindo árvore de dependências
18:45<Raposa>Lendo informação de estado... Pronto
18:45<Raposa>E: Impossível encontrar o pacote deluge
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18:46<freelinux>How do I find my smarthost address?
18:46<SynrG>yay, paste flood *and* non-localised messages both at once :)
18:46<Sicelo>fyi, dot-tk does provide free dns service alongside free domain name
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18:46<freelinux>what does that mean o_O
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18:46<freelinux>thought you said "doesn't"
18:46<SynrG>i think we have that part figured out already?
18:47<freelinux>So… Smarthost address.
18:47<j4jackj>bold spam
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18:47<retrospectacus>freelinux: only you (and your ISP) know this.
18:47<freelinux>How do I find it?
18:48<stderr>Call you ISP.
18:48<retrospectacus>call your ISP, I guess
18:48<SynrG>freelinux: or guess
18:48<freelinux>Is it easy to guess =]
18:48<retrospectacus>or locate some document online that tells you, if they have a website it may be there
18:48<SynrG>i'm a lucky guesser. i predict: smtp.your-isp-domain-name
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18:48<retrospectacus>excellent guess
18:48<freelinux>But what is comcast's domain name?
18:48<retrospectacus>it should be in the documentation you received when you signed up too
18:49<SynrG>keep in mind freelinux is a child ...
18:49<fcrs>freelinux: if your dns happens to be down when someone sends you mail, it will bounce
18:49<SynrG>i doubt if he signed up
18:49<SynrG>not unless dad outsources his tech jobs to him ...
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18:49<freelinux>well no, that's what my mum does
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18:51<retrospectacus> seems to work
18:51<stderr>I kind of doubt comcast would allow home-DNS.
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18:51<retrospectacus>I think we've convinced freelinux not to try DNS from home
18:52<freelinux>Alright, so now i configure exim4, right?
18:53<retrospectacus>yes; to relay email to a smarthost -
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18:54<freelinux>so, mail is sent and recieved directly using SMTP.
18:54<linuxguy999>hi is there anyone in here who has worked allot with lvm and restoring bootable volumes?
18:55<fcrs>no, the second one, recieved via fetchmail or pop
18:55<stderr>Depends... Does comcast allow SMTP servers?
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18:55<fcrs>i mean, received directly but sent via smarthost
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18:57<freelinux>ah. Thanks.
18:57<freelinux>you know what i'm doing, fcrs?
18:58<linuxguy999>freelinux have you ever restored a linux backup without dd data?
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18:58<stderr>A quick talk with google seems to suggest that comcasts smarthost is:
18:58<linuxguy999>do you know anyone who has
18:59<freelinux>try SynrG. He knows lots of things.
18:59<freelinux>Not guaranteeing anything, though
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19:00<SynrG>try not asking specific people. if someone knows and is available to answer and is inclined to, they will :p
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19:00<SynrG>by limiting yourself to "people who have worked a lot with lvm ..." you've immediately disqualified me
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19:01<retrospectacus>linuxguy999: normally you just reinstall and copy your backups back into place. I've no idea what you mean by "dd data" or "bootable volume" and I've never used LVM
19:01<linuxguy999>Work has allot filesystem backups of Linux that has lvm
19:01<linuxguy999>and want to restore the volume as it pretty much was
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19:02<SynrG>once the files go to backup, what does lvm have to do with it?
19:02<retrospectacus>"work has" ...but they don't have someone who knows how to restore the backups?
19:02<bremner>lvm snapshots?
19:02<linuxguy999>I am having a hell of a time finding a base howtoo documenting injecting filesytem backups into a vg and making it bootable again
19:02<SynrG>assuming these aren't somehow lvm-specific backups ...
19:02<SynrG>bremner: ah, possibly.
19:02<linuxguy999>they want to recover the system as it was
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19:03<linuxguy999>if you do an ovelery it can cause problems and leave allot of trash around
19:03<fcrs>linuxguy999: if you've got the right package installed, lvm2, and all the drives that the lvm depends on, it should just work
19:03<SynrG>in which case, i'm lost. i have not ever used lvm snapshots. i assume the documentation would say how ..
19:03<stderr>linuxguy999: How did they make the backups? dd of the raw lv or something?
19:03<freelinux>So my MTA is configured to send outgoing mail through a smarthost
19:03<freelinux>i feel so smrt :3
19:03<linuxguy999>no legato
19:03<SynrG>freelinux: so send a test mail to your gmail account or something
19:03<freelinux>got it
19:04<bremner>linuxguy999: so restore them with legato?
19:04<linuxguy999>filesystem backups wont boot
19:04<SynrG>freelinux: super-duper ... now i tried to register on your blog and failed ... wonder if it was queued ...
19:04<SynrG>freelinux: 'mailq' doesn't happen to show my email still kicking around?
19:04<linuxguy999>i want to recover the files into a vg00 for examample and makeit bootable after the fact rather than overlay a new install
19:05<freelinux>wait, how do i send mail to myself :L
19:05<stderr>vg00 is a volume group. It doesn't have files. It has lv's.
19:05<freelinux>without actually using gmail
19:05<bremner>linuxguy999: do you really boot from lvm? that's a bit specialized.
19:05<retrospectacus>freelinux: echo this is a test | mail -s "test subject"
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19:06<freelinux>thanks retro
19:06<linuxguy999> boot is on sda1 partition but / is on lvm2
19:06<retrospectacus>freelinux: or, register an account on your blog, this will verify that PHP can send email as well
19:06<linuxguy999>problem is linux stores uuid pvid and crap all over the place it seams
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19:07<freelinux>not receiving the email.. what now?
19:08<linuxguy999>I can find a procedure to migrate from non lvm disks to lvm disks but not lvm disks on one server to lvm disks on another server without additional tools
19:08<retrospectacus>freelinux: check "mailq" and /var/log/mail.log
19:08<freelinux>ok, 1 mail in mailq
19:09<freelinux>annnd it's not going ANYWHERE.
19:09<bremner>linuxguy999: if you move all the physical volumes, it should work. At least I have done it with VGs on usb disks
19:09<linuxguy999>so say you had 2 laptops and filesystems backups of the 1st laptop and laptop 1 gets sturck by lightning
19:09<linuxguy999>i want to recover the filesystem backups to a bootable copy without something like clonzilla
19:09<stderr>linuxguy999: pvcreate has an --uuid option you might want to take a look at.
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19:10<linuxguy999>sounds like you understand what im getting at a bit stderr
19:10<retrospectacus>freelinux: the mail.log should tell you what's happening
19:10<stderr>"If a restore operation is needed, use pvcreate (8) and vgcfgrestore (8)"
19:10<linuxguy999>with the complications of recovery :)
19:10<freelinux>SynrG: what is Mailq? if it's like a queue, why isn't my mail going anywhere?
19:10<linuxguy999>have you ever recovered something like what I am talking about?
19:11<stderr>I have no idea how legato makes its backups, but it sounds kind of crappy, if it can't restore them...
19:11<retrospectacus>linuxguy999: backups are useless if you don't know how to restore them... super helpful I know
19:11<linuxguy999>mailq hold mail while its waiting to be sent IE mail server is down.
19:12<SynrG>freelinux: mailq tells you the status of things in the queue. i think maybe -v for more info. not sure. man mailq (if you don't fall asleep before the end :)
19:12<linuxguy999>getting the data is easy making it boot somewhere else is the hard part
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19:13<stderr>linuxguy999: I would suggest using a backup method that stores "files", not raw device or whatever legato does. Then you wouldn't have to worry about the LVM part.
19:13<retrospectacus>linuxguy999: guessing put your stuff in place, chroot, edit grub, update-grub kinda thing
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19:13<freelinux>So it looks like my email is just sitting in the queue
19:13<freelinux>what now?
19:13<stderr>Check the log.
19:13<linuxguy999>right but I cant find list of all the boot issues and such to check off on
19:14<stderr>Find out why it's sitting in the queue.
19:14<freelinux>Where's the log
19:14<retrospectacus>freelinux: yes, the log will say, like I mentioned twice
19:14<stderr><retrospectacus> freelinux: check "mailq" and /var/log/mail.log
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19:15<retrospectacus>linuxguy999: should be just /etc/default/grub and /etc/fstab (bear in mind again I've never used LVM)
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19:15<linuxguy999>LVM is very nice for growing filesystems
19:15<stderr>I think retrospectacus is right, but I don't use LVM for /
19:16<stderr>/ rarely needs to grow, if you think ahead...
19:16<retrospectacus>so are huge disks :)
19:16<freelinux>mail.log says nothing, it's blank.
19:16<stderr>/home might. /usr might... But that's not /
19:16<retrospectacus>freelinux: perhaps the file mail.err in the same place
19:16<fcrs>exim writes to /var/log/exim4/mainlog
19:16<retrospectacus>freelinux: ok, what fcrs said
19:16<bremner>SynrG: fixed my gtk icon sizes by fiddling with /etc/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
19:17<freelinux>Also blank, retrospectacus
19:18<freelinux>retrospectacus: as is mail.warn AND
19:18<fcrs>is exim running?
19:18<retrospectacus>fcrs: good point, or it just hasn't run the queue yet
19:18<freelinux>fcrs Yes.
19:19<freelinux>Ah, exim had a log
19:19<fcrs>hmm, it shouldn't queue a single message by default
19:19<stderr>freelinux: rejectlog and paniclog?
19:19<freelinux>Mailing to remote domains is not supported.
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19:20<freelinux>need to port fowrad 25
19:20<retrospectacus>freelinux: no
19:20<freelinux>no need to portforward?
19:20<retrospectacus>not for outgoing traffic
19:20<stderr>Not for sending mails.
19:20<freelinux>maybe i entered the wrong smart host
19:20<retrospectacus>freelinux: is that from before you set the smarthost?
19:20<retrospectacus>freelinux: then comcast is refusing to relay your mail to gmail
19:21<retrospectacus>freelinux: you probably need to authenticate with your comcast email
19:21<freelinux>how do i do that?
19:21<retrospectacus>freelinux: if it's anything like my smtp server
19:21<stderr>Or exim4 isn't configured to allow localhost to send mails... :-/
19:21<freelinux>it is
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19:21<freelinux>ill reconfigure it and make sure
19:21<retrospectacus>freelinux: consult exim4 docs regarding "smtp auth"
19:22<freelinux>does xfinity have a different SMTP than comcast?
19:22<fcrs>to authenticate with a smarthost, you need to create /etc/exim4/passwd.client
19:22<stderr>Can you put the log on
19:22<SynrG>bremner: ah, nice. but for the whole system
19:23<fcrs>and put a line such as:
19:24<retrospectacus>it was
19:25<stderr>"Mailing to remote domains not supported" was about 2 hours ago according to the log... Before you configured smarthost, not after.
19:25<retrospectacus>yeah. after you have a syntax error regarding the port.
19:25<freelinux>so i have to reconfigure?
19:26<stderr>No, just don't send any mails... (Yes)
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19:27<bremner>SynrG: yeah, I'll have to see how that works out.
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19:28<SynrG>bremner: so i was wondering if you could do something similar in ~/.themes/gtk-3.0/ or so
19:28<fcrs>you need a double colon,, when entering the smarthost address
19:29<bremner>SynrG: from my point of view, the real issue is being global to all applications. Per users doesn't really work for the display manager.
19:29<SynrG>er, themename/gtk-3.0 i think
19:29<SynrG>well, that's when i pointed out the display manager has its own HOME
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19:30<bremner>SynrG: oh, I totally missed the significance of that remark.
19:30<SynrG>lightdm:x:107:116:Light Display Manager:/var/lib/lightdm:/bin/false
19:30<bremner>right. Well, if I decide global is bad, I'll see about that.
19:30*SynrG nods
19:30<freelinux>sending mail as a test...
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19:32<freelinux>Cannot open main log file.
19:32<stderr>Try as root...
19:33<freelinux>i AM root :L
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19:33<SynrG>confusion ... Cannot open main log file. as a result of what? (and do you have the mainlog opened for exclusive access by something?)
19:33<freelinux>oh, yeah :P
19:34<SynrG>probably a text editor is not what you want to open logs in when you just want to view them.
19:34<SynrG>use 'less'
19:34<SynrG>or tail, or tail -f ... or some combination using pipes :)
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19:35<stderr>For rotating logfiles, tail -F is better than -f
19:35<SynrG>(if you want to get fancy, there's some multitail thing ...)
19:35<freelinux>still cant access it o-o
19:35<stderr>SynrG: You mean like tail?
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19:36<SynrG>that just means PRISM has it. wait until they're finished snooping and then you can have it back
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19:36<freelinux>still cant access it
19:37<freelinux>can i kill PRISM?
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19:37<stderr>You can try... Call your local NSA office...
19:37<freelinux>what is PRISM :P
19:37<SynrG>freelinux: ah say, ah say, that was a *joke*, son
19:37<stderr>If we told you, we would have to kill you. :-)
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19:38<freelinux>well PRISM wont give it back xD
19:39<freelinux>Everytime i try to send mail permission denied to acces mainlog
19:39<stderr>You get access denied when you send the mail, not when you try to check the log?
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19:40<stderr>Use lsof to see if anything has the file open, if not try restarting exim.
19:40<freelinux>used it with no operands
19:40<freelinux>i got: sagfdagreagdfm;ngkareagre for 3 pages xD
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19:41<SynrG>well, lsof /var/log/exim4/* obviously :)
19:41<stderr>If you did, your system is f***ed.
19:41<SynrG>that's just hyperbole, i'm sure ;)
19:41<freelinux>nothing using it
19:41<retrospectacus>what'd I miss
19:41<stderr>On that system I wouldn't be so sure. :-)
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19:43<freelinux>meh, reinstalling exim4
19:43<SynrG>that's a bit ... knee-jerk
19:44<freelinux>why not
19:44<stderr>Did you try restarting it as I suggested?
19:44<freelinux>it'll take less time
19:44<freelinux>Restarting is for peopl
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19:44<SynrG>reinstalling is for windows users :p
19:44-!-Eryn_1983_FL [~Eryn_1983@] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:44<SynrG>so which are you? :)
19:45<freelinux>windows user ^^
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19:45<abrotman>not surprised
19:45<stderr>If you reinstall, you would have to: 1) stop exim. 2) reinstall exim. 3) start exim.... I suggest avoiding step 2.
19:45<freelinux>SynrG: LEAVE THIS PLACE AT ONCE.
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19:46<freelinux>I already reinstalled guys o-O
19:46<abrotman>freelinux: please act like you actually want help
19:46<freelinux>I'm busy getting helped :C
19:46<retrospectacus>what happened? He had a smtp syntax error in config, I go to the bathroom, and now he's reinstalling ?
19:46<fcrs>better reinstall the OS, just to be sure
19:47<stderr>freelinux: You're not busy listening to people who try to help you.
19:47<abrotman>fcrs: pleaes, you're not helping
19:47<freelinux>well this solved nothing
19:48<freelinux>Guys comon, second day on debian, cut me some slack… :P
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19:48<fcrs>so exim still complains about access to the log file when starting?
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19:49<freelinux>dunno yet
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19:50<fcrs>if so, he can safely delete the log file and it will be recreated no?
19:50<freelinux>tried that fcrs
19:50<freelinux>it flipped out
19:50<retrospectacus>/var/log/exim4/ should be owned by Debian-exim:adm
19:51<freelinux>chown then?
19:51<abrotman>freelinux: yes, you can delete the log .. but it dpeends who the daemon is running as and the perms on the directory
19:51<retrospectacus>yes, if it isn't already...
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19:51<freelinux>well you see… funny story...
19:51<freelinux>It started with me trying to open a log file with a text editor xD
19:52*retrospectacus waits for the funny part
19:52<abrotman>which you then saved when you closed the editor
19:52<retrospectacus>or, you had to chown stuff or it wouldn't open
19:53<freelinux>annnnd i chowned i to my main user T_T
19:53<retrospectacus>freelinux: chown Debian-exim:adm /var/log/exim4/ && chmod 2750 /var/log/exim4/
19:54<retrospectacus>freelinux: use less (a pager, not an editor) as root to read logs
19:54<retrospectacus>freelinux: or even better, tail -F
19:54-!-Brigo [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:54<retrospectacus>(like people have been telling you)
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19:55<retrospectacus>and chown Debian-exim:adm /var/log/exim4/mainlog I guess
19:56<freelinux>well, thanks for solvin everything
19:56<abrotman>freelinux: all fixed up ?
19:56<freelinux>looks like it.
19:56<retrospectacus>got your email in gmail?
19:56<freelinux>oh my
19:56<freelinux>didn't think about that
19:56<abrotman>lions and tigers and bears?
19:57<freelinux>well, now i have about 20 emails going to gmail xD
19:57<abrotman>that's a good thing
19:57<retrospectacus>that's OK, emails are cheap
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19:57<freelinux>AGH! It didnt even go through!
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19:58<blast007>checked the spam folder?
19:58<stderr>Check the log... Using less or tail!
19:58<retrospectacus>what's the mainlog say now? hint: tail -F lets you watch it _as it happens_
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20:01<freelinux>Auth required.
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20:02<SynrG>freelinux: progress! :)
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20:03<stderr>And someone already told you how to deal with that problem.
20:03<SynrG>... assuming you have access to that information
20:04<stderr><fcrs> to authenticate with a smarthost, you need to create /etc/exim4/passwd.client
20:04<stderr><fcrs> and put a line such as:
20:05<freelinux>I scrolled up
20:05<freelinux>i knew someone told me
20:05<SynrG>which is potentially visible by examining the MUA configuration of some other system somewhere around the house
20:05-!-Khades [~Khades@] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:05<SynrG>(assuming they don't all just use webmail :P)
20:06<freelinux>i have access
20:06<freelinux>no worries
20:06<freelinux>Its still says need authorization
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20:07<SynrG>freelinux: after reloading the config in the server?
20:07<stderr>And you're not reading the old line in the log file?
20:07<freelinux>oh, how do i reload it?
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20:08<freelinux>nvm i got it
20:08<freelinux>service exim4 restart
20:08<freelinux>im so smrt XD
20:08<retrospectacus>so in your other window running "tail -F mainlog" you should seen some messages
20:09<retrospectacus>possibly deliveries
20:09<freelinux>still getting auth wrong
20:10<freelinux>do i give the port number when stating the url in /etc/exim4/passwd.client?
20:10<stderr>Did you just use "" or did you use the correct hostname, username and password?
20:10<freelinux>naaah, why would i?
20:10<freelinux>i did
20:11<retrospectacus>yes ; I believe the port is written as
20:11<freelinux>wait, username on the comcast website?
20:11<freelinux>ill try that
20:12<fcrs>i don't think the port is required in passwd.client cause you already told it elsewhere
20:13<freelinux>it was
20:13<freelinux>it works now
20:13<freelinux>*twitch twitch*
20:13<freelinux>"Network unreachable."
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20:13<fcrs>you might need to run update-exim4.conf
20:13<retrospectacus>ooh. next will be "your envelope sender does not exist"
20:13<stderr>So in other words: It didn't work.
20:14<freelinux>Remote host closed connection in response to initial connecion.
20:14<retrospectacus>freelinux: there is a "Network unreachable." because has an IPV6 address you can't use - you can ignore that; it should go to the ipv4
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20:15<retrospectacus>freelinux: can you put it on
20:15<freelinux>That's literally all
20:15<SynrG>except debian, not debain :P
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20:18<freelinux> I replaced my email address with
20:19<retrospectacus>freelinux: well, maybe they are greylisting. It might work later
20:19<freelinux>brb, need to get some food.
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20:19<retrospectacus>(we saw your gmail address earlier)
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20:21<retrospectacus>you can delete your old post if you're worried about that (and hope everyone forgot)
20:21<retrospectacus>time for me to ride home
20:23<SynrG>freelinux: or discriminates against dynamic addresses
20:23<SynrG>could be only for corporate customers
20:23<SynrG>no? ok
20:23<freelinux>Nuuuuuuu :c
20:23<abrotman>smtp is outbound, you're meant to use 587 or 465 for their stuff
20:24<retrospectacus>465 needs SSL, maybe the problem?
20:24<freelinux>what's SSL
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20:24<abrotman>or TLS?
20:24<freelinux>can i use 587 instead?
20:24<fcrs>yeah, try that
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20:26<freelinux>oh, the message is being processed by something else...
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20:27<freelinux>im gonna reboot and hope for the best...
20:27<freelinux>doubt it
20:27<stderr>Are you using Windows?
20:28<freelinux>i would rather die
20:28<stderr>So why reboot?
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20:29<Infiltrator>freelinux: Unless you've upgraded the kernel, what will rebooting the whole machine do that restarting a daemon won't?
20:29<freelinux>second day on debian
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20:30<freelinux>how do i clear mailq?
20:30<SynrG>clear, as in, force all mails to be retried, or clear, as in, purge because you don't care about them anymore?
20:30<freelinux>Ah, now I'm getting "retry time not reached for any host"
20:30<freelinux>force all mails to be retried
20:31<stderr>man mailq
20:31<SynrG>we've been there. it's a bit ... dense.
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20:32<stderr> -M <message id> <message id> ...
20:32<stderr> This option requests Exim to run a delivery attempt on each
20:32<stderr> message in turn.
20:32<freelinux>okay, how do i delete all mail?
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20:32<SynrG>stderr: no
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20:33<SynrG>stderr: you don't want to specify that per message id. that's tedious
20:33<SynrG>freelinux: i think just 'runq'
20:33<stderr>Pfffttt... Pipes!
20:33<SynrG>if you have frozen mails then 'runq -f'
20:34<SynrG>stderr: but totally unnecessary, since runq does the job
20:34<freelinux>how do i delete the mail
20:34<SynrG>i'm sure all problems can be solved with pipes. doesn't mean you should :p
20:34<SynrG>i can solve all problems with cat, too
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20:34<stderr>SynrG: Pipes and awk... :-)
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20:37<freelinux>any other way to do this than with SMPT?
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20:37<stderr>To do what?
20:37<stderr>(And it's SMTP)
20:38<freelinux>to make it so that when somebody registers on my site they get an email
20:39<stderr>SMTP is the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol... Maybe you can use the not-so-simple one...
20:40<stderr>You want to use SMTP.
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20:41<freelinux>can i use a DIFFERENT more FREE smart host?
20:42<stderr>Do you know why you're using a smarthost?
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20:42<stderr>Because your ISP doesn't want you to connect to random SMTP-servers.
20:43<freelinux>oh :P
20:43<stderr>That should also answer your question about using another smarthost.
20:43<freelinux>my isp hates me
20:44<freelinux>its on greylist
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20:45<abrotman>freelinux: you can send to google via 587 directly, or use comcast's smtp servers to route for you
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20:47<fcrs>you can use another smarthost, but most won't let you send mail from arbitrary domain names
20:48<SynrG>freelinux: greylist is fine. that's temporary
20:48<abrotman>stderr: his ISP only won't let him use port 25, even to their own SMTP servers
20:49<freelinux>Nope, not greylist
20:49<freelinux>waited a while
20:49<freelinux>still not sending
20:49<freelinux>my isp simply hates me :C
20:50<abrotman>or ignore what i say ..
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21:02<freelinux>…So what now?
21:02<abrotman>so what's the problem?
21:02<freelinux>Still can't connect to, and mail doesnt work either.
21:02<abrotman>can't connect on what port?
21:02<freelinux>As a bonus, css and js are broken.
21:03*themill tries to work out how we got from smtp to css and js
21:03<abrotman>freelinux: pick one problem to work on
21:03<freelinux>i was working on getting an email when you register
21:03<freelinux>for confirmation
21:03<freelinux>that's probably unfixable though
21:03<freelinux>so lets start with "unable to connect"
21:04<abrotman>connect to what?
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21:04<freelinux>, my soon-to-be blog
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21:04<abrotman>is this hosted at your house?
21:05<abrotman>$ host
21:05<abrotman>Host not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
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21:06<freelinux>idk why, but the DNS services i have from dot tk suck
21:06<freelinux>and cant connect to my ip
21:06<abrotman>can't connect to which IP?on which port?
21:06<freelinux>my IP on 80
21:07<abrotman>which IP? your ISP IP? or a hosted server?
21:07<freelinux>I know I
21:07<freelinux>I'm forwarded properly
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21:07<abrotman>uhm, I am not sure they allow home-hosted stuff on port 80
21:07<freelinux>and apache is working
21:07<SynrG>freelinux: the bonus is part of the same problem. once DNS propagates, that will be fixed.
21:08<freelinux>but its been like 4 hours
21:08<freelinux>and i got nothing
21:08<SynrG>abrotman: whether or not it's against the rules, i can connect from here with that host and ip# in my /etc/hosts
21:08<abrotman> .. guess it's not a port block
21:08<SynrG>well, that's good news
21:09<freelinux>the problem here is dot TK's faulty DNS servers.
21:10<freelinux>It works perfectly on a site i didn't even mean to be the blog: the address where i host my minecraft server,
21:11<freelinux>so what do i do, SynrG
21:12<SynrG>about DNS? continue to wait.
21:12<abrotman>they may only publish once per day
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21:14<freelinux>Meanwhile can i fix css and js?
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21:16<abrotman>you haven't told us what's wrong with it?
21:16<freelinux>Doesn't load
21:17<freelinux>go to
21:17<freelinux>you'll see
21:18<SynrG>because the site knows itself by a different address
21:18<SynrG>that doesn't resolve
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21:18<freelinux>well that's easy to fix, right?
21:18<abrotman>freelinux: it's failing because it's trying to get your CSS from .. which doesn't exist for me
21:18<themill>use relative links not absolute links
21:18*SynrG ndos
21:18*SynrG nods, too
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21:19<freelinux>here, i can just change what it thinks! :D
21:19<freelinux>What's a relative link?
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21:19<freelinux>how do i use it?
21:19<SynrG>freelinux: e.g. /path-to-something, not http://hostname/path-to-something
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21:19<SynrG>just lop off the "http://hostname" part and leave it like that with a leading slash
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21:20<freelinux>ok :D
21:20<SynrG>see rfc mumble-mumble ... it explains it
21:20<themill>without the leading slash even
21:20<SynrG>themill: depends on the resource
21:20<SynrG>and technically absolute paths are still relative URLs
21:20<SynrG>as the relevant rfc defines it
21:21<themill>it's generally simplest to not have absolute paths though. Makes life a lot simpler in the long run
21:21<SynrG>freelinux: so, a relative path is appropriate when linking to pages in the same dir as your site, yes.
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21:22<SynrG>and absolute paths when you have to cross to another site on the same host
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21:24<SynrG>freelinux: hm, i'm sure google is your friend, here. plenty of pages discussing the difference, and when to use which :)
21:25<freelinux>Gah! now i cant login to wordpress to change the links
21:25<freelinux>kinda a catch22
21:25<freelinux>wrong thing
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21:25<freelinux>nah its right
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21:30<freelinux>Oh well, guess I have to wait for the dns to change my links, at which point i wont need to change them :L
21:31<SynrG>or do what i did and cheat by editing /etc/hosts
21:32<freelinux>hmmm, yeah
21:33<freelinux>what do i add on?
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21:34<SynrG>well, the simple thing is just to add additional names to the line with localhost on it
21:34<SynrG>then remove them afterwards, when DNS catches up
21:34<SynrG>believe it or not, this is late for me. heading to bed
21:35<freelinux>what additional lines do i add?
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21:37<freelinux>like, just
21:37<SynrG>e.g. " localhost" becomes " localhost"
21:37<SynrG>hm, racoons on the front porch. one adult and two babies.
21:38<freelinux>ok, how do i reload the configs?
21:38<freelinux>awww :)
21:38<SynrG>raccoons, even.
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21:38<freelinux>Never minds, no need to reload /etc/hosts
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21:39<freelinux>wow that worked :D
21:39<SynrG>why so shocked? would i lie to you?
21:40<freelinux>no, it's just everything seems to not work today
21:41<freelinux>its… its beautiful T^T
21:41<SynrG>of course, that only looks nice for *you*
21:41<SynrG>as that's all that /etc/hosts affects
21:41<freelinux>i changed the links
21:42<freelinux>it looks nice for everyone
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21:54<kanliot>on wheezy /tmp is mounted on / on the disk by default... right?
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21:54<kanliot>or not even mounted
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22:04<freelinux>there is no /etc/hosts on mac is there :C
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22:04<freelinux>gha! there is!
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22:13<freelinux>ale, can you do me a favour?
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22:16<freelinux>go to and tell me what you see
22:17<themill>freelinux: don't spam links, thanks.
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22:18<alejuss>no, thanks, nothing relative to minecraft is important to me
22:19<freelinux>it's not relative to minecraft actually, old domain name im using until comes up from DNS propogations :C
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22:20<abrotman>freelinux: that sort of stuff is meant for #debian-offtopic, this channel is for support
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22:22<Thaxll>hello, i've got a quick question regarding LKM, when we upgrade the kernel why Debian doesn't recompile every LKM to match the new version?
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22:23<Thaxll>I can't recall how that mechanism works :/
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22:25<jmcnaught>Thaxll: are you asking about DKMS?
22:25<Thaxll>I think that's the world I was looking for
22:25<abrotman>Thaxll: depends what sort of upgrade it is
22:26<abrotman>Thaxll: if the kernel ABI doesn't change, no need to recompile the DKMS modules
22:27<Thaxll>For example, I'm looking into /lib/modules, and I see multiple version of ip_tables for each kernel versions
22:28<Thaxll>I guess ip_tables is embeded into the kernel tree that's why it's not using DKMS
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22:58<seanbrockest>Hey guys, i want to install Debian, but the first line if the USB install guide is "you will need a system where GNU/Linux is already running" which makes first time install impossible. Can anyone recomend a way around that? I dont have a DVD or CD Burner.
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23:00<seanbrockest>that should work, thanks! I'l try it right now
23:00<Infiltrator>seanbrockest: Or
23:01<Infiltrator>seanbrockest: Or you can just throw the installer straight onto the stick.
23:02<themill>Infiltrator: you might want to be more precise about that
23:03<Infiltrator>seanbrockest: By the live option, I mean grab a live image and put that on your USB as per their instructions; once you're in that, you can play around, and, at your option, also install.
23:04<seanbrockest>Yes, i like that option better, but this disk imager is a good tool to have too.
23:04<seanbrockest>glad you showed it to me.
23:04<Infiltrator>seanbrockest: By throwing it straight onto the stick, I mean getting the image from and putting it onto the stick, which will just load straight into the installer as if you had burnt it to a CD.
23:04<Infiltrator>themill: Thanks.
23:05<themill>Infiltrator: "throw straight onto the stick" is pretty vague.. how exactly are you suggesting that be done?
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23:06<seanbrockest>by themill 's text, i'm assuming that copying an ISO onto a usb drive my Bios wont just boot it :)
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23:07<Infiltrator>seanbrockest: No, it won't. The easiest way is the live image.
23:07<themill>seanbrockest: yeah, you need to overwrite the existing filesystem
23:07<Infiltrator>seanbrockest: Otherwise have a read over this:
23:07*themill still isn't sure how Infiltrator is planning to get the image on the usb stick
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23:08<Infiltrator>themill: dd :)
23:08<themill>Infiltrator: in the absence of an existing gnu/linux installation?
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23:09<Infiltrator>themill: You and your logic. :(
23:09<Infiltrator>I always forget that some people actually don't have Debian...
23:11<Infiltrator>seanbrockest: In that case, scratch that idea.
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23:12<Infiltrator>Though this [] might be an option.
23:12<themill>no, don't use unetbootin.
23:12<reazem>It always works for me
23:12<themill>reazem: we have a steady procession of people in here for whom it doesn't work. It's best avoided.
23:13<seanbrockest>i'm actually using the win32diskimager link from earlier, and the netboot version of debian. will that work?
23:13<SamB>isn't there a method of booting the installer where you stick the ISO in the root of the drive and use a specific kernel and initrd
23:13<themill>SamB: yeah, you've still got to get a bootloader on your usb stick though
23:14<themill>SamB: or futz with the windows bootloader to chainload something else (which is what setup.exe does)
23:14<reazem> is also an option for installing.
23:14<reazem>no usb / disk required.
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23:16<reazem>mouse, Hi
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23:16<mouse>Hello does anyone know what open-vm-tools are used for?
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23:17<mouse>I had an issue with logout taking about 10 minutes to complete and traced the culprit to that and removed it.
23:17<mouse>just hoping i didn't remove something that'll screw me later on down the road for not having
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23:19<Infiltrator>mouse: Look at `apt-cache show open-vm-tools` and/or aptitude.
23:19<jmcnaught>mouse: googling has informed me that it's tools for use with VMware
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23:19<mouse>if it's not part of the normal install.. it might have been something Kopete stuck on there. I had the issues after attempting to run kopete in Gnome
23:20<themill>no... kopete wouldn't drag that in
23:20<mouse>hmm, okay. Weird then.
23:21<Infiltrator>mouse: You also could have done `aptitude why open-vm-tools` to see why it was installed.
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23:22<mouse>a, okay. thanks. I'll try to remember that one for when i notice a mystery package
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23:22<mouse>but, since I don't use virtual machines I should be safe right?
23:23<mouse>my concern was maybe debian used it for something I didn't know about.
23:23<seanbrockest>neither isotousb or win32diskimager is working. The former wont create a bootable usb, and the latter makes it, but fails to actually boot.
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23:29<mouse>thanks for the help by the way.
23:29<mouse>learned two commands which I'll probably use forever
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23:59<picsou>I'm using make deb-pkg to build the linux-image/linux-headers deb packages and it works fine, but does anyone know how to have the equivalent of " --append-to-version" used by make-kpkg?
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