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00:06<LtL>aidalgol: xrandr "
00:06<aidalgol>So there's no decent GUI wrapper?
00:06<LtL>aidalgol: not that i know of
00:07<SamB>darn it how do I copy that from fsbot
00:08<aidalgol>SamB: How is that relevant?
00:08<SamB>well how does grandr become obsolete without replacement otherwise?
00:09<aidalgol>The maintainer gets capped by gangsters in Chicago?
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00:12<SamB>okay it got removed for this reason: ROM; dead upstream, better alternatives
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00:13<SamB>why are the alternatives not mentioned in ???
00:14<aidalgol>That's what I was wondering.
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00:18<SamB>dpkg -l arandr
00:18<dpkg>ii arandr 1.9-4.1 samb's private gamp collection
00:18<SamB>dpkg -l quux
00:18<dpkg>No packages found matching quux
00:18<SamB>aidalgol: maybe arandr would be interesting?
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00:19<SamB> to unstable: Gerfried Fuchs <> on Thu, 11 Apr 2013 18:32:34 +0000
00:19<SamB>nice and fresh
00:20<aidalgol>Yeah, I found that one.
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00:22<SamB>I guess you also found lxrandr
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01:46<jonathan_>I'm trying to install Radeon free drivers for Gnome to work right
01:47<jonathan_>I've already appended sources.list
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01:47<jonathan_>aptitude now says there is no file by the name I'm looking for
01:48<jonathan_>and I've tried google for an hour trying to figure out what to do next, please help
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01:50<jm_>debian already includes radeon free drivers, you don't need special entries in sources.list for it
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01:51<Guest1926>who wants to talk about loic
01:51<jonathan_>Okay then so that probably means that free drivers won't work with this card
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01:52<Infiltrator>jonathan_: Why not?
01:53<jonathan_>Honestly I don't know
01:53<jonathan_>I'm a complete linux noob
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01:53<Guest1926>im not a noob what do you need to know?
01:53<Infiltrator>jonathan_: Can you pastebin your apt command line and output?
01:53<Infiltrator>!tell jonathan_ -about pastebin
01:54<jonathan_>yes I will
01:55<jm_>which card?
01:56<Infiltrator>jm_: Can you remember the three letter dpkg factoid for debugging apt problems? I can't seem to get it.
01:56<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
01:56<jonathan_>it is Radeon Mobility 4200
01:56<Infiltrator>themill: Thanks.
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01:58<jm_>jonathan_: man radeon says HD 5200 is supported (if this is RS780/880 chip)
01:58<jm_>sorry 4200
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02:00<jm_>did you also install firmware package for it?
02:00<jonathan_>No, I did not
02:00<jm_>try installing firmware-linux-nonfree first
02:00<jm_>if it's not there already
02:01<jonathan_>let me try that first
02:02<jonathan_>okay I just tried that
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02:02<jonathan_>No luck
02:02<jonathan_>I pasted my results on pastebin
02:03<Infiltrator>jonathan_: You have to give the link to us so that we may see it... :P
02:03<themill>dpkg: tell jonathan_ about non-free sources
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02:08<jonathan_>okay just updated aptitude
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02:11<jonathan_>Okay installed firmware-linux-nonfree
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02:23<jonathan_>About to restart gnome and see how it's working now
02:24<jonathan_>Thanks everyone gnome 3 is working fine
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02:26<Guest1926>daneil hi
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02:51<Reeckz>Hi, I'm trying to compile vsFTPD-ext and I'm getting some errors, here's the paste: - Thanks in advance :)
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02:54<jm_>you are missing devel packages - it tells you which files, so start with that
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03:12<Reeckz>Uhm, I don't see where it says what to install @.@
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03:58<stderr>Reeckz: "cannot find -lcap" => It needs the developer files for libcap => apt-cache search libcap dev => aptitude install libcap-dev Repeat for the other libraries.
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03:59<stderr>Reeckz: BTW: vsftpd is already in Debian.
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04:00<Reeckz>I'd like to use the command: allow_writable_root=YES , which from my understanding is only available in vsftpd-ext
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04:05<Reeckz>hmm, apt-cache doesn't show anything for -lssl & -lcrypto and the stuff that shows up for -lwrap doesn't remove it from the list of stuff it can't find. :(
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04:14<stderr>Reeckz: libwrap0-dev?
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04:14<stderr>Reeckz: libssl-dev got both libssl.a and libcrypto.a
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04:17<arand>Right, now I have the offending machine accessible (debian virtualbox server, no net access outside LAN), route -n produces a gateway that I can ping by ip, but very slowly, if I use ping -n it's normal-quick. So DNS issue I assume, which configs would I look in to see where it's misconfigured?
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04:19<jm_>arand: nsswitch.conf resolv.conf
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04:20<stderr>arand: The list of nameservers are in /etc/resolv.conf It might be that the first one is down, so you'll have to wait for an answer from number 2 (or 3...)
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04:22<SamB>so I guess commenting out the first nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf might be a good idea (at least for testing)?
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04:23<stderr>I would check the nameservers with dig first to see if that's the problem.
04:23<stderr>Something like: dig @ -t a somehost.tld
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04:30<arand>Hmm, I can't ping any of the nameservers from the vm in question, but I can ping both fine from the host, and their resolv.conf is identical...
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04:30<arand>I've checked iptables on the host machine and nothing is set there that would block...
04:32<stderr>Are you using a bridged network? Is the host configured to forward packages between the two nets?
04:32<Reeckz>Hmm.. it won't compile, this time around it's telling me this:
04:32<stderr>(I have to go to work now, so someone else has to take over...)
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04:34<stderr>Reeckz: Make the dirs and make sure they're writable. (And now I'm gone...)
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04:49<arand>Ok, found it, /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/Wired1 was set up to manual DNS in some incorrect way, works perfectly if set to auto.
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05:17<jcrowgey>hi debian ppl. i'm doing an install on a computer and i don't have an ethernet connection (im in a hotel away from home). so i downloaded the unnofficial netinstaller that has the firmward blobs in it (this is because my wifi card needs the broadcom firmware to run). so now the installer runs and two weird things are happening. 1) the installer says the network fails to configure with dhcp. this is obviously only partially true becaus
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05:18<jcrowgey>so now i'm in ash trying to fix this but the usual commands aren't around (iwconfig, ifconfig, dhclient). any suggestions on how to do something like dhclient manually in the installer ash?
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05:20<jcrowgey>oh, maybe this is the wrong room?
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05:20<jcrowgey>hi debian ppl. i'm doing an install on a computer and i don't have an ethernet connection (im in a hotel away from home). so i downloaded the unnofficial netinstaller that has the firmward blobs in it (this is because my wifi card needs the broadcom firmware to run). so now the installer runs and two weird things are happening. 1) the installer says the network fails to configure with dhcp. this is obviously only partially true becaus
05:20<jcrowgey>so now i'm in ash trying to fix this but the usual commands aren't around (iwconfig, ifconfig, dhclient). any suggestions on how to do something like dhclient manually in the installer ash?
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05:20<themill>"this is obviously only partially true becaus" -- irc has a line limit
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05:21<jcrowgey>thanks the mill, i didn't want to 'flood' ...
05:21<jcrowgey>this is obviously only partially true because on my
05:21<jcrowgey>+other computer (the one i'm typing to you now on) dhclient is how i get an
05:21<jcrowgey>+addres. ok, 2) when i enter the config manually (just pick an ip myself), i
05:21<jcrowgey>+get mirror doesn't support selected release (wheezy). and because i get this
05:21<jcrowgey>+for 5 different mirrors i tried, i'm thinking that actually the network
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05:22<themill>does this wireless network require you to log in through some web form?
05:23<jcrowgey>no, actually it's open. on my other computer i just type ifconfig wlan up; iwconfig wlan0 essid 'essid' ap 'ap'; dhclient wlan0---and i'm on. no form or html page to deal with, i go right to whatever i want to look at.
05:24<themill>hmm.. that's the normal cause of messages like "mirror doesn't support selected release"
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05:25<jcrowgey>yeah, im going to double check my manual config. maybe i didn't put the right gateway. let me at least double check that.
05:25<jcrowgey>nonetheless, i still don't have an explanation of why dhcp6d is failing and dhclient (on the other computer) is working .
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05:31<jcrowgey>ok, what's the quickest way to check my gateway? netstat with some proper args?
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05:31<jcrowgey>or, 'route' with some proper args?
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05:31<ainx>hello there
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05:32<ainx>:D good afternoon
05:33<Manjula>-bows bumping heads- xO
05:33<jcrowgey>comeon wizards and gurus, don't make me go read man pages for this. i know you guys know ...
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05:33<Manjula>reminded me, i am curious about something also
05:34<Manjula>anyone know how to disable the "unity desktop integration"? says it's an add-on
05:34<ainx>are all people around here use linux too ?
05:34<Manjula>Linux Based Operating Life
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05:35<ainx>xoxoox lmao
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05:35<ainx>im using antiX and i confused :P
05:35<dpkg>methinks debian is See
05:35<themill>Manjula: sure you don't want #ubuntu on
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05:36<themill>ainx: #mepis is also over on
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05:36<themill>jcrowgey: weren't you just copying settings across? that should work.
05:36<ainx>but it's not freenode right?
05:36<Manjula>what mill?
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05:37<Manjula>ohh i'm on the wrong channel huh lol
05:37<Manjula>this is the first time i've connected to IRC
05:37<cibegtd>i'm using debain wheezy with xfce4.8. after some bash commands i get this error:WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/user/.cache/keyring-dYksDR/pkcs11: No such file or directory
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05:37<ainx>oh okey
05:38<Manjula>thanks themill =) have fun grinding your grain!
05:38<ainx>thanks themill
05:38<cibegtd>any idea what the problem is and how it can be solved
05:38<Manjula>you know why great minds think alike? because they are all of one mind
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05:47<apo>cibegtd: your gnome-keyring-daemon is probably not running
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05:49<cibegtd>apo: the package gnome-keyring is already installed!
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05:53<apo>cibegtd: ok, but does it run, ps -A | grep gnome-keyring-daemon ?
05:53<cibegtd>apo: this command also has output: ps aux | grep gnome-keyring-daemon
05:54<cibegtd>but ps -A | grep gnome-keyring-daemon gives no output
05:54<apo>cibegtd: ps aux is fine
05:54<cibegtd>but ps -A | grep gnome-keyring-daemon gives no output
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05:57<apo>cibegtd: the pkcs11 component is somehow missing, you could try to kill the running process and to restart gnome-keyring-daemon again with gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=gpg,pkcs11,secrets,ssh & for example, otherwise I have no idea
05:58<micronux>help,the microphone is work wrong when I use sound-recorder
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06:02<micronux>should I need turn shm off in pulseaudio's settings?
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06:09<cibegtd>apo: killing gnome-keyring-daemon and string it again as you said, i get this: ** Message: couldn't access conrol socket: /home/user/.cache/keyring-dYksDR/control: No such file or directory
06:09<jcrowgey>hi debian ppl, i'm still messing around with the network on debian installer. i see that i can drop into an ash on VT2 and then i can chroot into /target. and it seems that there i have access to iwconfig and ifconfig and dhclient. however, i think i need to copy some info down into the chroot in order to get networking going there. right now its saying 'cannot access /proc/net no such file or directory'
06:10<cibegtd>apo: one output line of the command you gave is: GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/home/user/.cache/keyring-gKevXH
06:10<gnugr>micronux:if you turn off microphone from alsa-mixer it shouldn't work (when you want to record)
06:11<cibegtd>apo: keyring-gkevXH is not the same as keyring-dYksDR
06:11<cibegtd>apo: is this the problem?
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06:11<jcrowgey>do i need to register to talk here? can anyone hear me?
06:12<gnugr>jcrowgey:we can see you
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06:12<Blizzbob>jcrowgey: no, only if you want to safe your nickname
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06:14<jcrowgey>ok, just making sure i was being heard ...
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06:14<micronux>gnugr:The default value in alsamixer the microphone is mute and I press M turn it on;but sometime the sound recorder to be frozen
06:15<micronux>gnugr:when I click the record button
06:15<jm_>perhaps /proc is not mounted in /target
06:16<micronux>and I can record something when I play a music
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06:17<micronux>gnugr:the lingot and skype are work right
06:18<gnugr>micronux:check it with "arecord -d 10 /tmp/test-mic.wav" and then "aplay /tmp/test-mic.wav"
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06:21<jcrowgey>actually, i solved that, i looked at the gentoo docs for chrooting into the env and yeah, so i mounded /proc and /dev inside the chroot. now i can run iwconfig ifconfig dhclient and i'm not getting errors about missing files. however, i am getting ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0 link is not ready. any suggestions?
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06:22<micronux>gnugr:my laptop is not with me now and I see this way on the internet,can u tell me if it work what should I do,if it isn't what should I do?
06:23<jm_>jcrowgey: check if you need firmware for your card
06:24<gnugr>micronux:the only way is microphone to be muted (from amixer i guess)
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06:25<jcrowgey>jm, i do need firmware and it's loaded. i used the debian installer with firmware built in.
06:26<jcrowgey>jm, can you advise me about how to make sure that it loaded properly?
06:27<micronux>gnugr: thank u,I'll try it tomorrow and ask 4 ur help maybe u here
06:27<micronux>what firmware I need?
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06:28<gnugr>micronux:make sure you have firmware-linux-free
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06:29<micronux>okay,I think I never installed it on my system
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06:29<jcrowgey>jm, i'm using this image: i believe it has all the firmware built in and indeed the installer seemed to load the card without a prob.
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06:30<micronux>gnugr:I get something and thanks again
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06:31<cibegtd>apo: commenting out the line "module:" in /etc/pkcs11/modules/gnome-keyring-module has solved the problem. but i don't know what that line does! is this solution safe?
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06:33<gnugr>cibegtd:you want to use Xfce4 and Gnome?
06:33<cibegtd>gnugr: no i want to use just xfce4
06:34<gnugr>cibegtd:did you check this?
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06:35<cibegtd>gnugr: that page doesn't say any thing about the warning i'm facing
06:35<jm_>jcrowgey: ahh OK so you have firmware loaded then - unfortunatelly that's where my skills end as I never used wlan to be able to debug this further, sorry
06:36*ainx off
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06:36<gnugr>cibegtd:sure, but it says how to get rid of Gnome and its dependencies
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06:39<cibegtd>gnugr: xfce4.8 with wheezy has some gnome-packages such as network-manager which i'm using, i don't want to drop all gnome dependenties
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06:40<gnugr>cibegtd:ok, read about ~/.xinitrc though, it might help you to avoid gnome's keyring
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06:47<cibegtd>gnugr: i can't find the solution of the waring in .xinitrc. do you know about this solution: commenting out the line "module:" in /etc/pkcs11/modules/gnome-keyring-module
06:47<cibegtd>gnugr: is this safe?
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06:50<babilen_>cibegtd: What are you trying to do?
06:51<babilen_>dpkg: tell cibegtd -about .xinitrc
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06:54<cibegtd>babilen_: i've to read more about xinitrc and .xsession
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07:15<cibegtd>gnugr, apo: the solution: From application menu "Settings -> Preferences -> Settings Manager -> Session and Startup" Go to Advanced, check "Launch GNOME services on startup"
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07:15<cibegtd>apo, gnugr thank you!
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07:16<phoenix__>hi, i am planning to switch to debian 7. so i just wanted to know whether i should use the debian 7.1 dvd iso or debian 7 cd
07:17<babilen__>phoenix__: Do you have a working internet connection? If so: What kind?
07:17<phoenix__>and is non free firmware available on dvd?
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07:17<phoenix__>babilen, yes broadband
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07:17<babilen>phoenix__: No, but you can always download firmware and supply it on a USB stick.
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07:18<phoenix__>babilen, during the installation or after the install (the firmwares i mean?
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07:19<jm_>phoenix__: both (there are installers with firmware images included)
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07:21<babilen_>phoenix__: How do you connect? I would recommend to use a netinst installer if you are connected to the internet during the installation as that will simply download everything you need during the installation. Do you have a particular preference regarding your desktop environment (if any) ?
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07:23<phoenix__>babilen, no i want the most stable environment and thats all. so any desktop environment that is very stable..
07:24<phoenix__>babilen, and what if the network fails during install?
07:25<agnosis1975>how to get ProXPN running on Debian Wheezy Xfce 4.8 running on a Dell Inspiron 6400
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07:26<agnosis1975>? deep breath - so I'm not spamming
07:26<jm_>agnosis1975: what is ProXPN?
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07:27<agnosis1975>a VPN service I heard about
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07:27<jm_>no idea, see if openvpn or similar tool can be used with it
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07:31<agnosis1975>I did manage to strip it back to a *.ovpn file - but again - stuck
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07:52<phoenix__>what if i am doing net install and network disrupts
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07:53<mdupont>hey all,
07:53<jm_>apt-get can resume downloads, plus it dirst downloads everything before starting isntalling packages
07:54<mdupont>anyone using libreoffice ? I am having a problem getting the python scripting to load , libreoffice_4.1.0-3
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07:56<phoenix__>jm_, ok.. and if i have to install on 5 machines then net install would result is same data being downloaded again and again..
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07:58<phoenix__>jm_, ?
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07:59<jm_>phoenix__: yes, but a) you could use a proxy (either something specific for APT or generic, HTTP one for example) to cache it, b) copy /var/cache/apt/archives to different machines
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08:01<semko>guys, what was the name of that package that automatically installs desktop, documents etc. folder for you?
08:02<phoenix__>jm_, do i copy /var/cache/apt/archives during install or after install?
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08:03<phoenix__>jm_, or should i opt for dvd as many people suggested me?
08:03<phoenix__>jm_, they said it has all the packages that i could possibly require.
08:03<semko>found it: xdg-user-dirs
08:04<jm_>phoenix__: before it starts downloading on the other system - it's up to you really, you can find what's on each disc (/msg dpkg cd contents)
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08:05<phoenix__>jm_, ok heres what i do> i download amd64 bit netinst iso> then i copy it to usb and then one by one i install on the 5 machines i have?
08:06<phoenix__>jm_, so after installing on the first machine i copy /var/cache/apt/archives and then what?
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08:07<jm_>phoenix__: well yeah can install on systems 2-5 in parallel as you'll have the packages after installing on system 1 (yeah, you just let the other systems do apt-get update and then they shuld find packages in that dir - I would use something like rsync -a so that time stamps are preserved, not sure if it cares about that)
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08:28<ddr>hi there, anyone in here who is using debian 7 and kernel-nfs?
08:28<jm_>if with kernel nfs you mean client then yes, otherwise no
08:28<ddr>i can't findout how to use the idmapd ...
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08:29<jm_>I see, that's for nfs v4, we're still on old versions here
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08:30<ddr>i got some directories to export, but the server on the other side (a centos machine) is using this daemon to identify the usernames...
08:30<ddr>yeap, v4...
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08:30<ddr>sadly i could not find anything on the web...
08:30<jm_>yeah v4 is not very common yet I guess
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08:31<ddr>but is there a way in debian, except recompiling the kernel to use the daemon?
08:32<ddr>idmapd, i mean
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08:34<jm_>hmm not sure why you would need to recompile the kernel
08:34<ddr>to have to map_daemon option supported - found in the manpages of the centos machine
08:35<ddr>with this option, the idmapd gets the job to check the uid und gids...
08:35<ddr>and a bit more, but this is what i need...
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09:02<maxim-ngs>Hello .
09:02<maxim-ngs>I have a question. debian 7
09:02<maxim-ngs>Why was expelled from DVD1 debian testmem, and why layout is inconvenient for installation
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09:13<devil_>maxim-ngs: at lesast the 2nd half is very subjective
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09:28<ddr>and can get installed using apt-get :P
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09:35<doener>hi, I tried to install Debian 7.1 in a KVM VM on a Debian Sid host using virt-manager, and the installer didn't ask much questions and left me with a vm without a user account. Is that expected?
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09:44<gorna>can someone help me to install my Canon MP495 ?
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09:55<devil_>gorna: did you look at already?
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09:57<Xires>I've noticed quite a few times that I'll remove a package(purge) and every time I run aptitude afterward, it tries to automatically reinstall that package..can anyone tell me how to correct this behavior?
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09:58<Stummi>Xires, aptitude why packagename
10:00<Xires>Stummi; "unable to find a reason"
10:00<gorna>not yet I will but I am on this now :
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10:05<gorna>devil_ I'm at the end of the installation but I dont have the file /etc/cupsys but I do have the cn*** files so what's wrong ?
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10:13<marcin>hi there
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10:17<Xires>Stummi; any other advice?
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10:17<marcin>I have problem with XEN. I have configured bonding on interfaces eth0 and eth1 with 802.3ad (switch supports it). Next, i want to combine bond0 interface and xen domains VIF interfaces in bridge. Kernel documentation says, that if mode 802.3ad is used, all slaves interfaces are switched to promiscous mode, but in my situation, i have to switch it manually by doing ifconfig eth(0|1) promisc (if not, there is no network connection in XEN
10:18<Stummi>Xires, no. I never heard of this behavior
10:19<Xires>Stummi; that's has happened to me time & time & time again on multiple Ubuntu-based systems as well as several Debian versions
10:20<Stummi>please note that only debian wheezy is supported here
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10:20<Xires>it's particularly perplexing when Debian wants to install telnet even when I've replaced it with telnet-ssl and disabled automatic installation of recommended packages
10:22<Xires>Stummi; I was a Wheezy installation that I was referring to..but I do imagine the same resolution would likely fix other Debian-based systems as well
10:22<Xires>if I can find a cause
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10:23<Stummi>Xires, are you using aptitude via CLI or TUI?
10:23<amitz>it seems debian wheezy and hd4000 can't be xrandr-ed? this seems to be a combination of multiple problems? anybody has a direct straightforward reference on how to solve it?
10:23<Stummi>with TUI you could check the package details when aptitude attempts to install it the next time, there you should find an entry of why it may gets installed
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10:24<Xires>Stummi; all it says is '<package_name> will be installed'
10:24<gorna>HELL YEAH !! I did it
10:25<gorna>thanks devil_ I managed to instally my printer :)
10:25<Stummi>Xires, aptitude -> g -> select your package -> Enter
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10:26<Xires>Stummi; checking the 'why installed' section...package B is installed because package A requires it, package A is installed because package B suggests it
10:27<Xires>OR package B is installed because package A requires it and package A has no installation reason: "Unable to find a reason to install <package_name>"
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10:45<RalfJ>After upgrading my server from squeeze to wheezy, I have a dangling symlink from /etc/nologin to /var/lib/initscripts/nologin... should I ignore this or do something about it?
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10:56<SynrG>RalfJ: if it were me, i would want to know why
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10:56<RalfJ>SynrG: sure I do, but I have no idea how to find out
10:56<RalfJ>I will try to reboot soon, maybe it goes away then... or maybe I cannot login anymore after reboot, then I'll have some fun...^^
10:57<SynrG>well, it sounds like something deliberately took out the symlink prior to upgrade ...
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10:57<SynrG>then your upgrade was aborted. and that "something" didn't remove it afterwards
10:57<SynrG>s/prior to/early in the/
10:58<RalfJ>well, my wheezy/lenny laptop doesnt have that file at all
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10:59<SynrG>RalfJ: look at /etc/init.d/bootmisc.shh
10:59<SynrG>RalfJ: look at /etc/init.d/
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11:00<RalfJ>maybe its a cleanup performed on first reboot
11:00<SynrG>as for something symlinking it, i don't know. /etc/nologin is obeyed by /bin/login and yes, it blocks logins
11:00<RalfJ>but logins are currently possible
11:00<RalfJ>probably becaue the file exists but the target does not
11:01<SynrG>see also shutdown(8)
11:01<SynrG>and yeah, existence check fails
11:01<SynrG>so the dangling symlink isn't going to hurt you
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11:04<RalfJ>well, I have recovery access to the server should the need arise, so I can remove the file if something goes wrong
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11:07<RalfJ>well Im back in... *phew*^^
11:07<RalfJ>and the nologin file is gone
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12:20<quant__>hello, trying to install wine on 64-bit wheezy, I'm confused because I'm advised to enable multiarch support and install 32-bit wine, and the installer from the official repository is giving me 3 commands with which I can achieve this - isn't multiarch enabled by default, and why would I want 32-bit ine?
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12:21<quant__>this is what it's suggesting me to do: # dpkg --add-architecture i386 # apt-get update # apt-get install wine-bin:i386
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12:24<retrospectacus>quant__: multiarch is not enabled by default.
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12:25<quant__>retrospectacus, ok,but why do I need to install 32-bit wine when I'm on a 64-bit system and I want to run a 64-bit windows program?
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12:26<retrospectacus>no idea, did you try installing 64-bit wine?
12:27<quant__>retrospectacus, no, I'm just using the installer package in official repos and it gives me instructions like I wrote above
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12:28*retrospectacus shrugs. Hang around and someone may have an answer, or try the wine channel: #winehq on
12:28<quant__>retrospectacus, This is the wine64-bin helper package, which does not provide wine itself, but instead exists solely to provide the following information about
12:28<quant__>enabling multiarch on your system in order to be able to install and run the 32-bit wine packages.
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12:29<quant__>any potential harm that I can do if I still follow these instructions and see if it works?
12:29<retrospectacus>that seems silly... btw what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say?
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12:29<quant__>amd64 ofc
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12:30<babilen>Is there actually a 64bit wine? I was under the impression that it is 32bit only ... but then I really know nothing about wine. So .. /me shuts up
12:31<quant__>good question :) checking
12:32<gnugr>quant__:theres also newer wine for 64bits
12:32<gnugr>!newer wine
12:32<dpkg>The wine-unstable packages in Debian are very out of date and possibly not what you want. For unofficial, newer versions of these packages for jessie/sid, see . These packages can be backported to wheezy with a little work, ask me about <ssb>. Alternatively, the commercial <cxoffice> offers a recent wine with support.
12:33<quant__>ok, thanks, I'll try to do with this 32-bit one for now and see how it goes
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12:35<retrospectacus>there is some docs here about wine64 but it doesn't look like "stock wine" comes in a 64-bit version.
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12:36<quant__>retrospectacus, that was my impression as well, I read that page
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12:46<quant__>hm, ok, now I trying to remove what I installed using apt-get install wine-bin:i386 but all I get unistalled is some minor package (I think it's the installer thing)
12:46<quant__>how do I remove this wine that I got now? :)
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12:49<quant__>I want to remove it and try the other options for a newer 64-bit one
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12:54<quant__>apt-get remove finished and just removed wine package that was 81.9 kb in size, but everything else stayed installed and I have no idea how to remove it
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13:00<quant__>anyone, please? I'm stuck with this now and can't install the other version
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13:03<retrospectacus>quant__: remove packages? what's the problem?
13:04<quant__>retrospectacus, apt-get remove wine just removes that "installer" package that's 81.9 kb and not that 32-bit wine that I got installed :)
13:04<quant__>maybe I should do apt-get remove for that i386 thing explicitly?
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13:04<quant__>apt-get remove wine-bin:i386?
13:05<quant__>awesome, ty... pretty dumb of me not to get that idea before
13:05<retrospectacus>glad I could "help" :P
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13:20<gag>que tal?
13:20<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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13:23<Rockj>alioth down for maintenance?
13:23<Rockj>or others have issues reaching it?
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13:36<[S][T][Y][X]>i shot my xubuntu reps while trying to install skype on 12.04. how do i fix it?
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13:38<[S][T][Y][X]>k thx
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13:40<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc [S][T][Y][X]
13:40<dpkg>[S][T][Y][X]: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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13:41<[S][T][Y][X]>already there, thanks :)
13:42<dex>i am using debian and iceweasel but I am not able to broadcast on a web page, what can I do to solve it?
13:42<retrospectacus>dex: what is " broadcast on a web page"?
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13:42<dex>use my webcam and my microphone
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13:43<dex>any ideas?
13:43<kdef>nothing works in debian
13:43<retrospectacus>dex: do your webcam and mic work otherwise?
13:43<dex>yes i can use skype and cheese
13:44<retrospectacus>kdef: do you have a support question?
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13:44<kdef>I can't connect my smartphone
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13:44<kdef>yeah, I have a question... why are so many devices so problematic in debian?!?
13:44<kdef>I use android... isn't that similar to linux?
13:44<retrospectacus>I've never had a problem with debian and android. Do you have a more specific question?
13:45<kdef>sometimes it detects it... sometimes not... today it's a portable media player
13:45<kdef>"the process for the mtp protocol died unexpectedly"
13:45<retrospectacus>kdef: I always set my phone to be "USB mass storage"
13:45<kdef>what a shame... to make matters worse, I installed kde ver. of debian
13:46<kdef>this can't be done now
13:47<kdef>I've been googling all day
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13:48<retrospectacus>kdef: check out the android app Airdroid - it is pretty sweet (if you have wifi)
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13:50<kdef>I hate Google... they aren't allowing mass storage on Android smartphones anymore
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13:51<retrospectacus>works for me... anyways let us know if you have a Debian question
13:52<yashwant>I have installed debian 7 wheezy and in this system Hindi language is not supporting in any of the browser, Plse help me for this problem.
13:54<musca>yashwant: iceweasel-l10n-hi-in - Hindi (India) language package for Iceweasel
13:55<dex>any ideas for using webcam in firefox??
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13:56<musca>yashwant: i think you have to enable language packs in iceweasel under extras, addons, languages
13:56<Rockj>kdef: indeed it sucks that Google removed USB mass storage :(
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13:57<trico>very. especially if they never added nfs support
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14:00<Zaba>oh, missing usb mass storage mode in android is a good thing, it means saner partitioning and filesystems on the phone. The problem is that MTP is bad and badly supported.
14:00<kdef>E: Unable to locate package libmtp
14:00<kdef>E: Unable to locate package mtptools
14:01<kdef>is that from 10 yrs ago, rock? geez
14:01<Zaba>it's called mtp-tools
14:03<musca>and libmtp9
14:03<Rockj>kdef: mtp-tools and mtpfs is the correct package names.
14:03<kdef>sorry, this is just really frustrating
14:04<kdef>my phone was working a little while ago ... now, I cannot access anything
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14:06<yashwant>musca: I don't know what is the solution for Indian language..
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14:08<kdef>that page's instructions didn't work
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14:14<Rockj>kdef: anyhow, if your looking for more help you should probably pastebin errors you get and try to describe what you are trying to do. I personally are not a mind reader, and my guess others aren't either.
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14:31<sascha>Hey, I'm checking out some games on Steam for Linux. Some of the games have the following issue: When I'm holding any mouse button the mouse will lock in its current position. Any ideas?
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14:32<retrospectacus>sascha: check "dmesg" or .xsession-errors for errors, or the console where you ran steam
14:33<sascha>Okay, I will do that
14:33<gnugr>sascha:not many free games for Linux users on steam unless you want to bay them
14:34<sascha>gnugr, hm? Free as in Open Source or free as in money?
14:34<gnugr>free as in money
14:35<retrospectacus>"not many free games, unless you pay them" ...
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14:35<sascha>I know. I have already over 100 games on Steam from Windows. Some of them are available for Linux now so I would like to make them running to play them on my notebook
14:36<sascha>I've never seen Steam as a platform for free games to be honest o.o
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14:41<sascha>retrospectacus, woah...the output of the game is just huge. I don't think I can find anything in there without knowing what I'm searching for
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14:42<sascha>and dmesg looks ok...just some wifi stuff
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14:42<retrospectacus>sascha: just look for something to appear on those files when the issue occurs
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14:46<sascha>retrospectacus, I don't get this. When running the game in fullscreen or borderless window I get this error. Now I was making the window smaller to see the terminal while reproducing the error and it's not appearing anymore ...
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14:54<larry_>flash player help
14:55<retrospectacus>!adobe flash
14:55<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package . There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on
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14:59<sascha>retrospectacus, ok so I was checking the terminal while the error occured. There is nothing in dmesg xsession-errors or the steam terminal. Funny fact: When I leave the game window with the mouse and enter it again the error won't appear anymore...I'm not sure what's the problem here...
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15:09<sascha_>Great so finally I don't get kernel panics anymore. Now my notebook is just shutting down without any warning...
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15:54<dfell>what is the keyring and is it important? when setting up evolution as my email client it wouldn't let me continue without using it? is there a way to disable it and/or does that free up space?
15:55<zenx>wish i cud help
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15:55<zenx>i hav problem with my java programming
15:55<zenx>i'm getting a null pointer exception each time
15:55<dfell>i didn't exactly mean space whereas I did mean RAM
15:55<retrospectacus>dfell: it holds keys, e.g. email passwords you've "remembered". You can open/close it and allow apps to use it, things like that
15:56<retrospectacus>zenx: this is Debian support. try ##java on
15:56<zenx>kk thanx
15:57<dfell>what is the most popular type of IRC server , IE EFnet?
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15:57<dfell>when searched there is an old article that references EFnet as being the most popular back in the day
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15:58<dfell>also, just a poll, what IRC clients are people using?
15:58<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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15:59<SynrG>except for the keyring question
15:59<SynrG>which is on-topic
15:59<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
15:59<dfell>huh that's cool
15:59<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
15:59<dfell>ok well will disabling the keyring free up RAM?
16:00<dfell>my questions are based on the fact that i'm running this on a netbook
16:00<SynrG>the keyring is what it sounds like ... a storage place for keys (passwords)
16:01<dfell>it would seem that the programs themselves are capable of doing just the same thing
16:01<retrospectacus>dfell: you can see how much ram a program is using in "top"
16:01<SynrG>dfell: all gnome applications use a central key store. by centralizing it, you minimize your security surface
16:02<dfell>SynrG: also it looks like this changes the font color in XChat when your name is referenced
16:03<dfell>I thought it was a msg sorry if I sent msg responses back
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16:03<dfell>retrospectacus, any chance you know what the COMMAND is for the keyring?
16:03<dfell>i don't see anything blatently "Keyring"
16:03<retrospectacus>dfell: nick highlighting is a feature of many irc clients
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16:03<retrospectacus>dfell: I don't know, I don't use a keyring myself
16:04<dfell>I wanted to stick to command prompt but the program I tried first irssi was difficult to maneuver
16:04<dfell>contemplating bitchx but was wondering what others are using
16:04<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at -- See the FAQ at . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package
16:04<dfell>retrospectacus, what do you use in place of it? or why aren't you running it?
16:04<dfell>retrospectacus, is it a memory issue or just preference?
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16:05<retrospectacus>dfell: I just type passwords all the time. Just preference
16:05<retrospectacus>I'm sure the keyring doesn't take up much RAM
16:06<dfell>retrospectacus, seems safer to me to do that. should someone jack the netbook it's insta access to any program keyring stored a password for
16:06<dfell>A fresh boot of Debian LDXE idles my RAM at 56-59
16:07<dfell> I tried Arch Linux and it idled at 40
16:07<dfell>I however am unimpressed with their package manager and selection
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16:07<dfell>it seems to me that Debian is the way to go
16:08<dfell>i suppose keyring wouldn't free anything impressive up so I suppose i'll just leave it
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16:08<retrospectacus>well "top" or "ps faux" will tell you what's running and how much ram it uses. You can of course uninstall / not run things
16:08<SynrG>having similar code per application, all dealing with saving passwords is a security nightmare.
16:08<SynrG>also from an end-user perspective, being able to protect all passwords with one "master" password has its benefits.
16:09<retrospectacus>and drawbacks, like forgetting your passwords :P
16:09<dfell>this netbook won't be used for much other than minor programming education, web surfing, and comic books
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16:10<dfell>security is not very important beyond not wanting people to jack CreditC info
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16:10<dpkg>methinks fluxbox is an X window manager forked from <Blackbox> 0.61.1, or Blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features. To install, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install fluxbox . #fluxbox on
16:10<dfell>i'll ask one more time but i'm pretty sure I won't get an answer again. what IRC client are you using retro/Syn?
16:10<trico>i used that on an old pentium2 when i had to.
16:11<retrospectacus>dfell: irssi
16:11<dfell>i tried reading the man for it but it wasn't much help. i suppose it's been customized pretty heavily for you
16:11<retrospectacus>dfell: you are welcome to ask that kind of thing in #debian-offtopic
16:11<SynrG>dfell: we did say there is a place to ask this. and you *can* be on two channels at once
16:11<SynrG>we are both there
16:12<SynrG>also, please don't abbreviate my nick. that's what tab-completion is for
16:12<SynrG>i'll totally miss you're referring to me in the backlog if you don't spell it out exactly
16:12<dfell>right right, my apologies SynrG
16:12<SynrG>not a big deal. you're new
16:13<trico>SynrG: haha, i didnt know pidgin had a tab autocomplete, thanks
16:13<SynrG>everybody gets to be a newbie once :)
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16:22<nico1>I am looking for help, web did not give the answer yet...
16:22<lxdeman>hello, any experts at connecting their smartphones?
16:22<lxdeman>particularly Android phones
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16:22<nico1>I try building GTK+, and I've got an error configuring pango
16:23<lxdeman>using lxde
16:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
16:23<nico1>checking which cairo font backends could be used... none
16:23<lxdeman>I can see the files and directories but it doesn't load them... I get error messages
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16:24<retrospectacus>nico1: why oh why would you build gtk+
16:24<nico1>Pango -> ./configure give the error above
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16:25<nico1>I want to use gtk+ librairy programming in c
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16:26<nico1>I just want to install this package to use it
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16:27<retrospectacus>nico1: what package, and why can't you use the gtk+ libraries provided in the Debian repositories?
16:27<koldof>I'm having a really weird wget/iceweasel problem. won't resolve Chromium resolves this fine though.
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16:28<koldof>Any ideas?
16:28<nico1>GTK+ 3.8
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16:29<nico1>which I've got from
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16:29<nico1>the last release
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16:29<nico1>gtk+ 3.8.2
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16:31<nico1>I installed all depencies
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16:31<nico1>except pango that is failling with error Cairo backsend*
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16:32<nico1>retrospectacus: do you propose I use Synaptic ?
16:32<retrospectacus>,v libgtk-3-dev
16:32<judd>Package: libgtk-3-dev on i386 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-6; jessie: 3.8.2-3; sid: 3.8.2-3
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16:35<retrospectacus>nico1: libgtk is such an integral part of your system, you will have a lot of trouble upgrading it without upgrading the whole system:
16:35<retrospectacus>,checkbackport libgtk-3-dev
16:35<judd>Backporting package libgtk-3-dev in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.35.3), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-dev (>= 2.27.1), libpango1.0-dev (>= 1.32.4), libatk1.0-dev (>= 2.7.5).
16:36<nico1>Should I see libgtk-3-dev in synaptic ?
16:36<retrospectacus>why don't you just use the 3.4.2 libraries available in wheezy?
16:36<nico1>I just have a look, I could not
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16:36<retrospectacus>nico1: I only use apt, no synaptic: apt-cache show libgtk-3-dev
16:37<nico1>impossible to find it
16:38<retrospectacus>let me guess, you're not running debian
16:39<nico1>I am playing with Linux for few days only sure... But I have installed Debian sure
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16:41<nico1>I have no package starting by libgtk-3
16:41<retrospectacus>nico1: - can you put the content of /etc/apt/sources.list here for us please?
16:41<retrospectacus>nico1: also run "apt-cache policy" and put the output there too.
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16:43<nico1>retrospectacus: ok, few seconds
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16:44<nico1>for sources.list -> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20120512-20:43]/ squeeze main
16:44<retrospectacus>so... you installed debian squeeze?
16:45<retrospectacus>nico1: please use the site, don't paste in here
16:45<nico1>yep sorry
16:46<nico1>done for sources.list
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16:47<retrospectacus>ok... yes it's because you're running squeeze which does not have GTK 3 at all, only gtk 2
16:47<retrospectacus>nico1: as you may be aware, squeeze is old
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16:47<nico1>I was not
16:48<nico1>what would be the best option then?
16:48<nico1>can I upgrade to wheezy easily ?
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16:48<retrospectacus>nico1: yes, or install wheezy fresh
16:49<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell nico1 about squeeze->wheezy
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16:50<retrospectacus>nico1: wheezy still only has libgtk+ 3.4.2
16:51<nico1>ok, I am cheking on web to see if I upgrade... or restart from zero
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16:52<nico1>thanks a lot
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16:53<hmakholm>Upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, new kernel package complains about possibly missing firmware for r8169 (eth interface). Is there a reasonably foolproof way to find out if my particular hardware requires the missing fw before I go ahead and lose my ability to download it?
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16:54<valdyn>hmakholm: upgrading does not remove the older kernel
16:55<hmakholm>Oh, d'oh.
16:55<hmakholm>Oh, d'oh. Of course.
16:55<valdyn>hmakholm: and for the new kernel - the firmware was just split into a seperate package
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16:56<retrospectacus>hmakholm: firmware-realtek
16:57<retrospectacus>nico1: not sure what you are checking... upgrading or installing are both easy, just choose which suits you best
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16:58<hmakholm>retrospectacus: Ty. (Still scarred from one of the earlier upgrades where IIRC there was some udev stuff that meant the old kernel would not keep working after the upgrade).
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16:58<bandeira>hi there. my video card is messed up. i see stripes on the screen. i have already tried to create xorg.conf by using "Xorg -configure". has anyone seen this before?
16:59<bandeira>i'm using debian wheezy
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16:59<retrospectacus>hmakholm: that was lenny->squeeze , no longer an issue
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17:02<feke>on wheezy fresh install, i try to open a .jnlp file with icedTea java Web starter. nothing happens though. and when trying javaws i get /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-i386/jre/bin/java: No such file or directory... anyone know that could be wrong?
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17:04<acerspyro>Hello, my package manager says everything is from an untrusted source.
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17:04<acerspyro>I'm sure this is a common problem...
17:05<acerspyro>What should I do to fix that?
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17:15<dpkg>i guess alioth is, Debian's sourceforge server. See, or irc://, or no more, see
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17:15*SamB guesses he could have done that in private. oops.
17:15<retrospectacus>no more?!?!
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17:15<SamB>yeah I can't parse that bit
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17:16<hmakholm>Somebody must have said "alioth is no more" to the bot.
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17:16<retrospectacus>well it resolves and pings, so they said wrong
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17:18<hmakholm>It is a gullible beast. And the debian-devel-announce message linked after "no more" indeed says that it is (or was) no more.
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17:19<hmakholm>Found firmware-realtek, once I remembered to add non-free to the "deb" rather than "deb-src" line in sources.list :-/
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17:26<acerspyro>On an iMac G3, how would someone change the system clock without it changing again at each reboot?
17:27<dpkg>from memory, hwclock is a tool used to set your hardware clock. it's packaged. in package util-linux
17:27<acerspyro>ok thanks
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17:28<acerspyro>And also, is there a place to post ascii-arts?
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17:28<acerspyro>I made a nice anti-aliased apple logo in asciiart and I'd like tp somehow publish it...
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17:30<retrospectacus>print it and staple it to telephone poles around your neighbourhood
17:30<acerspyro>No printer :)
17:31<retrospectacus>hire a bot-net to email it to 10 million people
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17:32<acerspyro>I will
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17:37<acerspyro>retrospectacus: looks like the iMac doesn't have a time-keeping device o.o
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17:39<retrospectacus>maybe ntp will help you
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17:39<dpkg>The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>.
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17:39<acerspyro>oh ok
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17:45<feke>hmm... i have been digging around a bit and when i try to run javaws it looks for "java" in a plave where there is no such file
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17:49<retrospectacus>feke: well.. where does it look, and where is your java binary actually?
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17:50<feke>hi retrospectacus: well javaws looks at /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-i386/jre/bin/java
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17:51<feke>but in that folder there is only javaws
17:51<feke>i am not sure how to find a binary
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17:51<retrospectacus>readlink -f `which java`
17:51<retrospectacus>assuming you do have some java installed ...
17:51<retrospectacus>if not see <install java>
17:53<feke>ok - well.. i have java installed but the readlink -f `which java` returns a java-6-i... direktory
17:53<feke>but javaws looks in the java-7-i... dir
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17:54<retrospectacus>need to fix your java-alternatives to use the java-6-openjdk-i386
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17:54<retrospectacus>!java alternatives
17:54<dpkg>Rather than using update-alternatives (or galternatives) to set each individual alternative for java (and there are lots of them!), use update-java-alternatives. To see a list of the valid java alternatives, use "update-java-alternatives --list". To select the sun-java6 java runtime environment, "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun".
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17:55*babilen notes that we should change that example
17:55<feke>uhhh :)
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17:56<feke>hmm.. ok ... i try to run the update.. :)
17:56<feke>thanks so far
17:57<feke>i guess i need to install update-java-alternatives with apt-get etc first?
17:59<retrospectacus>it's in java-common
17:59<retrospectacus>which should have been brought in when you installed openjdk6
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18:00<rickbol>Is there a way to review the red "[Fail] ..." messages that print to the screen during bootup? They disappear too quickly...
18:00<dpkg>bootlogd is used to record boot messages in /var/log/boot - install the bootlogd package to enable. In Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", bootlogd is provided by sysvinit-utils; set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd
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18:03<feke>hmm... i have the common folder but thhere is no update-java-alternatives in that folder :S
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18:04<retrospectacus>feke: java-common is the name of a package. It installs /usr/sbin/update-java-alternatives
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18:07<retrospectacus>feke: BUT it should have been installed with you installed openjdk-6-jre .. unless you've been messing around outside of the packaging system
18:07<retrospectacus>or you are trying to run it as non-root
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18:09<feke>hmm.. ok ... slowly getting there i think
18:09<feke>so the --list gives me a path
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18:10<feke>if i set it to --set and then the path...
18:10<feke>is that the way?
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18:10<retrospectacus>not the path; the short name
18:11<feke>ok so.. update-java-alternatives --set
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18:12<feke>trying :)
18:12<retrospectacus>then "readlink -f `which javaws`" should be /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-i386/jre/bin/javaws
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18:16<feke>it gives me a long list of jdk alternatives that does nok exist
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18:18<retrospectacus>that's ...not very helpful, but you could make a pastebin to show us.
18:19<feke>i work a bit slow :)
18:19<feke>but i try
18:19<retrospectacus>it soulds like you've been fooling with your system without using the package manager
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18:20<feke>i have run apt-get update/upgrade... and installed virtual box guest addition... but that is it...
18:20<feke>no wait
18:20<feke>i also installed skype
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18:21<retrospectacus>so where did /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-i386/jre/bin/javaws come from
18:21<bernat>feke, show real command's output so we can better know what's happening
18:21<feke>i will try and make pastbin
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18:25<retrospectacus>feke: apologies, it appears "icedtea-netx" puts a javaws in java-7-openjdk-i386 which does not work if you don't have java-7-openjdk
18:25<retrospectacus>feke: but your javaws alternative *should* use /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-i386/jre/bin/javaws
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18:26<feke>retrospectacus: hmm... well... then that could be the issue... that javaws does not try the /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-i386/jre/bin/javaws
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18:28<retrospectacus>feke: anyways I still think update-java-alternatives should have fixed it. You were making a pastebin to show us how that went...?
18:28<feke>im on it :)
18:28<nmeum>During shutdown I always see a message saying that debian failed to stop early cyrpto discs or something like that, should I worry about that?
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18:40<feke>retrospectacus: now something happens for sure...
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18:43<feke>retrospectacus: do you still think i have messed something up earlyer in the install?
18:43<feke>cause now javaws starts the icedtea... but i get other errors
18:43<retrospectacus>no, I think it's a bug with icedtea-netx not setting an alternative properly
18:45<retrospectacus>feke: we should not have to ask things like "what's the error?" - just show us, on
18:45<feke>oh ok
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18:45<retrospectacus>it's free
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18:46<feke>:) i know
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18:48<feke>well now this happens
18:48<retrospectacus>except you used the wrong paste site.
18:48<feke>ups yeah...
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18:50<feke>here the output from the actual link i try to open
18:51<feke>not sure i should run that as root
18:51<retrospectacus>that's coz you ran it as root
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18:53<feke>hmm... get the same as normal user
18:53<retrospectacus>I did too.. but afaict it's a programming error on the authour's part
18:54<retrospectacus>maybe there is some security thing you can do to allow the temporary file
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18:54<feke>chmod etc?
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18:56<feke>oh my
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18:56<retrospectacus>looks like you might need Oracle java..
18:56<feke>i will contact that user and see if he ever got it running
18:57<retrospectacus>or try initiating the applet fresh from the browser
18:57<feke>oh he actually get it running in oracle java
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18:58<feke>sorry... i dont understand that last part
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18:58<feke>initating the applet fresht from the browser
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18:58<retrospectacus>well.. instead of running javaws from CLI, click the appropriate link(s) on the fumbbl website
18:59<feke>yeah... that i did... no luck though
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19:00<retrospectacus>well, you may try installing (and then mess around with alternatives again)
19:00<feke>retrospectacus: i'll try getting oracle java
19:00<feke>yaeh.. :)
19:00<feke>ill give it a try
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19:03<babilen>feke: Just to point it out, but OpenJDK 7 is the reference implementation (in case you want the "official" version) -- Oracle also doesn't support JDK 6 anymore (so lots of problems with that one) which essentially means that there isn't any reason to use their JDK anymore apart from buggy third-party code.
19:04<babilen>feke: See for details (well, for confirmation)
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19:06<feke>babilen: the link in points to sdk 7 though
19:07<babilen>feke: Which link are you referring to? But trust me; it is the way I explained it. I have no reason why you want Oracle's JDK, but that wouldn't change what I said above anyway.
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19:08<feke>babilen: sorry - im not sure i understand
19:08<babilen>feke: Sun's/Oracle's 6 is a bug ridden unsupported security nightmare that simply shouldn't be used at all.
19:08<feke>i was talking about this link
19:08<feke>hehe that was clear
19:09<feke>now i understand... but as far as i see that link above is to version 7 .. isnt it?
19:09<babilen>feke: As I said: The *official* reference implementation of JDK 7 (and later) is OpenJDK -- make of that what you want
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19:10<feke>babilen: i dont doubt you in any way. I am just a bit tired and may not totally understand the technicality of it all
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19:12<feke>but as far as i understand you - you are advising me not to use java at all ... is that right?
19:13<babilen>feke: The technicality of it is: If you want to install java run "apt-get install default-jdk" and if you want java 7 then run "apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk" too.
19:13<babilen>feke: No, not at all. I am advising you to use OpenJDK (definitely for 6 and better for 7 too *unless* you have a good reason not to)
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19:15<feke>babilen: i understand. The reason whu we talked about oracles version was just that some dude had made it work with that version
19:15<babilen>"it" ?
19:16<babilen>What is this "it" you refer to?
19:16<babilen>What is that?
19:16<babilen>Oh, forget I ever asked.
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19:18<babilen>feke: That looks like some proprietary binary whatever game and I have no idea which platform they target. I was merely talking from the perspective of a Java developer and Debian Maintainer. Please note that I have no interest in games or most proprietary software whatsoever and cannot help you with that at all.
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19:24<nmeum>During shutdown I always see a message saying that debian failed to stop early cyrpto discs or something like that, should I worry about that?
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19:25<feke>babilen: i respect this community very much babilen. And all the work done here. am just a normal user trying to find my way around debian. thanks for helping out
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19:33<Arrowmaster>nmeum: thats normal
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19:49<nmeum>Arrowmaster: good :)
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20:09<dfell>okie dokie back
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20:18<acerspyro>KDE4 won't work, only seems to take up all the memory available, gets killed by INIT, then cron uses all the memory nd slows down by itself
20:18<acerspyro>and it does the same like 4 times in a row
20:18<abrotman>just logging in?
20:19<acerspyro>Yes, after logging in with the GUI
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20:19<abrotman>acerspyro: have you tried for a newly created user?
20:19<acerspyro>no, should I?
20:19<abrotman>it's something to test
20:22<acerspyro>just made a new user
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20:22<abrotman>so give it a whirl?
20:22<acerspyro>I might crash :)
20:23<abrotman>you might ..
20:23<dfell>there do seem to be some curiosities involved with being logged into /
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20:23<acerspyro>It's logging in...
20:24<acerspyro>Mouse on a black screen
20:24<dfell>what's your windows manager?
20:24<abrotman>he already said
20:24<acerspyro>Memory's full
20:25<dfell>did you install from netcd?
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20:25<abrotman>acerspyro: same problem with that user ?
20:25<acerspyro>I did not install from NetCD
20:25<acerspyro>abrotman: except from no crash
20:25<dfell>what was your method of install?
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20:25<abrotman>acerspyro: oh, so it works just fine?
20:25<acerspyro>dfell: PowerPC disc
20:25<abrotman>acerspyro: free RAM is wasted RAM in Linux
20:25<acerspyro>abrotman: no, mouse pointer on black background
20:26<dfell>purchase or download and burn from iso?
20:26<abrotman>acerspyro: so it's not working?
20:26<acerspyro>CPU's full
20:26<acerspyro>no, abrotman
20:26<acerspyro>dfell: downloaded ISO, burnt to a CD
20:26<dfell>i did the dvdiso from debian and ran into several issues
20:27<dfell>then did the netCD and ran into pretty much none
20:27<acerspyro>Mine didn't come with X
20:27<acerspyro>I had to install it
20:27<dfell>dload the NetCD
20:27<acerspyro>iMac G3
20:27<dfell>under advanced options has KDE as an install for DM
20:27<acerspyro>Must configure it very precisely
20:28<dfell>ur putting linux on a Mac?
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20:28<abrotman>acerspyro: how did you install KDE and Xorg?
20:28<acerspyro>abrotman: package manager, both
20:28<abrotman>acerspyro: which packages did you install?
20:28<jcrowgey>hello debian room. i'm still stuck using the debian installer to try to complete an install on my other computer.
20:28<abrotman>stuck how?
20:28<acerspyro>abrotman: Xorg and kde4
20:28<acerspyro>I saw that the KDM was checked
20:28<dfell>acerspyro: are you installing the right chipset?
20:29<jcrowgey>at each time i try. pkgsel fails because libopenexr has a 'size mismatch' is there some way that i can fix this within the installer environment?
20:29<abrotman>acerspyro: and KDM works correctly?
20:29<acerspyro>idk, ran from root, it seems to say nothing and quit
20:29<abrotman>jcrowgey: are you using an HTTP source or from the CD? which installer are you using?
20:29<abrotman>acerspyro: run what from root?
20:29<abrotman>run what?
20:30<abrotman>acerspyro: does KDM start when the system starts?
20:30<acerspyro>kde4 and kdm
20:30<jcrowgey>abrotman, i'm using netinstall on a usbstick.
20:30<acerspyro>both said nothing and quit
20:30<abrotman>jcrowgey: which netinst?
20:30<abrotman>acerspyro: both what?
20:30<acerspyro>kde4 and kdm
20:30<abrotman>acerspyro: so KDM doesn't load when the system starts?
20:30<dfell>acerspyro: what kind of media are you installing from?
20:30<dfell>acerspyro: have you done a wipe of your partitions?
20:30<acerspyro>dfell: I installed a few months ago
20:31<acerspyro>It has nothing to do with my installation
20:31<dfell>no DM or WE?
20:31<acerspyro>yes, deboan >.>
20:31<jcrowgey>I am using this image:
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20:31<acerspyro>no DM
20:31<abrotman>jcrowgey: sounds like it's possibly a corrupted download
20:31<dfell>remove all xorg packages
20:31<abrotman>acerspyro: you have a DM installed already
20:31<acerspyro>xorg works
20:31<acerspyro>With TWM
20:31<dfell>try a diff WE
20:31<abrotman>acerspyro: have you tried something other than KDE?
20:31<acerspyro>TWM works
20:32<acerspyro>Very well
20:32<jcrowgey>abrotman, i can check the md5sum. in anycase, the issue is with the 'download' step. i don't think it's one of the packages on the installer, its' one of the packages that is fetched during the software selection step.
20:32<abrotman>jcrowgey: ah, so it's using an HTTP source?
20:32<abrotman>jcrowgey: can you go bakc and try another mirror?
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20:33<acerspyro>might crash
20:33<abrotman>acerspyro: what might crash?
20:34<jcrowgey>well, a netinstall (as i understand it) has some core packages, but after that, you're asked about installing a desktop environment, ssh sever, whatever. this is the step that i fail on.
20:34<jcrowgey>interestingly (for me) if i skip this step and go ahead and put grub on and boot into the new system (with only a base, simple system), then i still can't get the desktop env installed.
20:35<jcrowgey>it fails on the same package libopenexr size mismatch. there must be something i can do...
20:35<abrotman>jcrowgey: always usin gthe same mirror?
20:35<interlagos>Hi, I'm running debian wheezy with an rt-kernel and driver nouveau. Sometimes, my screen doesn't closed when i shut down my laptop dell
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20:35<jcrowgey>abrotman, no i have tried 5 of them.
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20:36<acerspyro>abrotman: was trying stuff
20:36<acerspyro>There is a man page for KDM, but not for KDE4
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20:36<jcrowgey>specifically the package is
20:36<jcrowgey>.deb :)
20:36<acerspyro>Note that my package manager is tagging everything as untrusted and is often saying it installs, but doesn't actually installs
20:37<interlagos>this may deal with rsyslog which doesn't exit normally
20:37<acerspyro>I tried update and upgrade of aptitude
20:38<jcrowgey>the other thing which is absolutely nuts is that i'm in a hotel with a nazi like filter which blocks any search or webpage with libopenexr in it. i have not idea why. but it's making my life hell as to fixing this. thank god for irc, you guys are all i have now.
20:38<SamB>acerspyro: did you try switching mirrors?
20:38<interlagos>it ends with "power down" and then nothing else, the screen is still up
20:38<acerspyro>How would I do that?
20:38<SamB>acerspyro: well, what does it say in sources.list now?
20:39<SamB>that's /etc/apt/sources.list and/or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
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20:40<acerspyro>Found it
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20:41<jcrowgey>ok, actually i'm so sleepy now that i can't take it anymore. i'm going to have to sign off for now. goodnight beautiful people.
20:41<jcrowgey>i'll try you guys again tomorrow.
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20:42<acerspyro>SamB: you there?
20:42<SamB>acerspyro: maybe try instead ?
20:42<acerspyro>I change it in the file?
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20:45<acerspyro>SamB: all the KDe packages I have installed are in an obsolete section?
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20:46<abrotman>acerspyro: please pastebin your sources.list
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20:46<acerspyro>What's the command already?
20:47<Infiltrator>!tell acerspyro -about bat
20:47<abrotman>acerspyro: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
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20:48<acerspyro>The pastebinit command?
20:48<acerspyro>How do I use it? I'm on my iMac on the terminal
20:49<larry_>Is flashplayer-nonfree ftp links down or changed?
20:49<dvs>acerspyro: copy that output and put it on
20:49<abrotman>you can use pastebinit
20:49<abrotman>larry_: the package is still on our repositories? or does that not work?
20:49<larry_>does not work
20:50<abrotman>larry_: with what error?
20:50<larry_>connection times out
20:50<SamB>hmm, lets check
20:51<abrotman>larry_: that sounds like a different problem
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20:51<SamB>hmm, maybe that's not actually the package name :-)
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20:52<acerspyro>Btw, the is courtesy of SamB's answer
20:52<dvs>acerspyro: run "apt-get update" as root
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20:54<acerspyro>It's done
20:55<acerspyro>dvs ^
20:55<dvs>acerspyro: try installing your package now.
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20:57<acerspyro>dvs: looks healty, added a few more sections, like security updates, and all the programs I thought I had installed are in the Tasks section
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20:57<dvs>acerspyro: ??? You already had the security stuff from the first paste.
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20:58<acerspyro>dvs: I know, but for the other URL, SamB just told me to change it
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21:04<acerspyro>Installation seems hung
21:05<abrotman>of what?
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21:16<acerspyro>Sorry, I had to rebt
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21:21<acerspyro>dpkg is currently trying to set up the packages
21:21<dpkg>acerspyro: are you smoking crack?
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21:21<acerspyro>Lol I never called you
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21:30<acerspyro>Wtf? INIT just killed dpkg in the middle of configuring and killed IRSSI?
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21:31<acerspyro>irssi might die again .-.
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21:36<omixam>I can't install linux-headers in debian 7 can sombody help me?
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21:37*ardex finally got the cdrom to play an audio cd. The sysctl was screwed up because I had a USB stick in during OS install. Hope it's fixed.
21:37<dvs>omixam: What did you try?
21:38<omixam>apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
21:38<dvs>omixam: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
21:41<omixam>/etc/apt/sources.list file is here:
21:44<dvs>omixam: That should work, unless you didn't run "apt-get update" first.
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21:46<omixam>after I run apt-get update I get the same error....
21:46<raylu>i ran an `aptitude update` on my jessie/testing machine and it said that mumble-server is newly obsolete; where should i look for more information about this?
21:47<dvs>omixam: what error?
21:48<omixam>E: Unable to locate package linux-headers-3.2.0-amd64-0.bpo.4
21:48<omixam>E: Could not find any package with the regular expression "linux-headers-3.2.0-amd64-0.bpo.4»
21:48<dvs>omixam: Oh, that's the backported kernel.
21:48<Infiltrator>raylu: You might try #debian-next; this channel is technically for stable only.
21:49<Infiltrator>raylu: Also,
21:49<omixam>I suposed that but I don't know how to change it...
21:49<dvs>omixam: apt-get install linux-image-amd64
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21:50<raylu>Infiltrator: ok. thanks. i'm looking for information on why it's obsoleted, though
21:50<omixam>so easy... Why any body mention in a blog....
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21:53<ardex>new may be better, but not easy
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22:09<Another>got a problem with apache
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22:12<BobbyTables>what's the problem with apache
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22:13<Another>some ssl ciphers are ignored
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22:17<Another>ECDHE ciphers are ignored
22:17<faisal>what is this?
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22:19<Guest2031>ERROR: wget failed to download
22:19<Guest2031>More information might be available at:
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22:25<Another>any ideas? openssl is supporting those
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23:56<acerspyro>Can anyone explain me how to connect two computers together, to use one's X server while the X client is running on another one?
23:56<acerspyro>Through SSH.
23:57<Another>ssh -X
23:57<acerspyro>On the server?
23:57<Another>ssh -X foo@bar
23:58<acerspyro>OH ok
23:58<acerspyro>And it will start you an X session?
23:58<Another>will enable X forwarding
23:58<acerspyro>I did
23:59<acerspyro>in the config file
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23:59<Another>what's the problem then?
23:59<acerspyro>I don't know how to use it
23:59<Another>just ssh and start an application
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