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00:24<hfp>I don't mean to start a war but I moved away from vi to nano. Should I keep using nano or should I learn emacs?
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00:29<hfp>Why? What is it emacs can that nano can't?
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00:38<SamB>hfp: Lots of things. Read your mail, browse manpages, play tetris, there's even a spreadsheet thing. (What *can't* Emacs do?)
00:39<hfp>Interesting, thanks
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00:42<bjb>I also vote for emacs
00:42<bjb>run a shell, sort lines, add/remove/blank rectangles of text, etc etc etc
00:43<bjb>code, nay, text highlighting
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01:29<blue_>mshuler, avconv with the -r option for framerate seems to work fine for me here too
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01:53<def>When I install Debian, program detects and configurates network automatically, that is nice. After that it begins downloading some packages, that I want delay to future. Can I forbid downloading while installing and allow automatic configuration of network?
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02:14<musca>hi def
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02:14<musca>def: which install media did you choose?
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03:02<atilla>mshuler, are you there?
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03:09<brian>Hi. I'm trying to connect to a VPN but I get a time-out before the connection is made. Can I modify the timeout settings?
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03:13<atilla>mshuler, just for your information as you were helping out on the cups issue yesterday: I figured that cups' webinterface did not have a problem, but iceweasel did. while I tried to authenticate. with chromium it worked like a charm ...
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03:15<brian>How can I extend the time-out for network manager?
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03:21<brian>Network Manager times out too fast. How can I change the settings?
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03:40<vibhavp>How would I mount an android under my debian?
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03:41<vibhavp>(The phone is mounted under USB mode, not MTP)
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03:42<jm_>you mean manually?
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03:44<vibhavp>jm_: I am not using gnome, so I was wondering if udisks coulld mount it automatically when it is detected
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03:55<jm_>vibhavp: hmm not sure about udisks, I use autofs
03:55<vibhavp>jm_: Ill try that out
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03:57<jm_>vibhavp: maybe try manual mount first
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03:58<vibhavp>jm_: Manual mount works perfectly
03:59<vibhavp>jm_: I wanted to see if I could mount stuff automatically without using gnome
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04:03<jm_>vibhavp: found this package udisks-glue after reading about udisks a bit (it seems to be a service to be used by other tools)
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04:05<gorna>hello, when I start gnome3 it only loads my wallpaper and icons but not the black gui bar (debian wheezy). gnome classic is ok. Any help ?
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04:13<dpkg>如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh ( 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
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05:22<klinton>is anyone around to help me?
05:23<Stummi>have you tried turning it off and on again?
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05:25<klinton>Hello. So I've recently gotten debian 7.1 wheezy and am currently trying to get vlc media player but I want to get the backport version except when I try to add backports to my source list it won't work can anyone help with my backport problem
05:27<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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05:27<Stummi>also, your sources.list
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05:28<SynrG>klinton: also, specifically with respect to backports, you know that you need to specify a target when you install? as per instructions at
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05:29<ben>Hello. I am after a little help running a script at runlevel 3
05:29<Stummi>debian doesn't boot into runlevel 3 by default
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05:30<ben>I am using grub to get it to boot into runlevel3
05:30<ben>I'm pretty sure it's getting there because once I have logged in I can run who -r and it says it is there
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05:31<klinton>I'm not sure what you mean SynrG but I am trying to add the debian wheezy backports to my source.list and the debian site said to run the command line "deb wheezy-backports main" and for YOURDOMAIN I substituted both ftp and us trying each one and I honestly don't know what I'm doin wrong
05:31<ben>I've linked the script as a symbolic link into rcd3 and put the script in /etc/init.d/
05:31<ben>And it runs fine if I execute it manually
05:31<Stummi>you should use insserv for such things
05:32<ben>Oh - I haven't heard of that before. I'll go check it out now
05:32<ben>Out of curiosity - my script is a bash script running a Python script. That should work fine?
05:32<Stummi>shouldn't be a problem on runlevel 3
05:32<SynrG>klinton: that's only step 1
05:33<SynrG>klinton: and you didn't describe "won't work"
05:33<SynrG>klinton: and my crystal ball is in the shop ...
05:33<ben>Great - thanks! I'll go check out insserv
05:33<klinton>well I've not used linux much in my life and I guess you can call me a noob. By won't work I mean it gives the return error that the command is invalid
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05:35<klinton>klinton@debian:~$ su
05:35<klinton>root@debian:/home/klinton# deb wheezy-backports main
05:35<klinton>bash: deb: command not found
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05:36<SynrG>klinton: please read
05:36<SynrG>klinton: "deb ..." is not a command
05:36<klinton>ah. then that is where I am doing it wrong
05:37<SynrG>also, when you have stuff to show us, use don't paste it to the channel.
05:37<SynrG>of course, the instructions there are for squeeze, so you just substitute wheezy for squeeze and follow the rest.
05:38<SynrG>you need to use a text editor (like nano) to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and put that line there
05:38<SynrG>oh, i see, it also does give the wheezy line
05:38<SynrG>so just use that one.
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05:39<SynrG>klinton: however, your efforts to get a vlc from backports for wheezy are misguided ...
05:39<SynrG>,v vlc
05:39<judd>Package: vlc on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-5~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2.0.3-5; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 2.0.5-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 2.0.8-1; sid: 2.0.8-1+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.0.8-dmo3; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.8-dmo3
05:40<SynrG>there is no vlc in wheezy-backports.
05:40<SynrG>klinton: why did you want this? what problem are you trying to solve?
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05:42<klinton>well videolan website gives command to add vlc using backports and I am simply trying to get vlc because I want to playback video files and vlc usually gets the job done without putting strain on my resources and without any video lag like other players. Also I am having some serious trouble with installing a more up to date version of drivers for my ati radeon mobility hd 3200 graphics card
05:43<klinton>and i've googled all over for a solution to that and I can't seem to get anything to work
05:44<klinton>Main issue is that I don't like the drivers that come with debian.
05:44<SynrG>klinton: what problem do you have with vlc from wheezy?
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05:46<SynrG>!radeon firmware
05:46<dpkg>Binary-only firmware was removed from the radeon <DRM> driver at linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009) and is packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not required for use of the <fglrx> driver.
05:46<SynrG>klinton: maybe you're missing this? it's not a driver. firmware is something else.
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05:47<SynrG>!non-free sources
05:47<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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05:48<SynrG>klinton: i believe vlc from wheezy should "do the job" for you. if your real problem is graphics performance, let's tackle that problem instead.
05:49<klinton>I would have to say graphics problem then. also, what kind of .txt files should i have in my sources.list.d folder for adding these sources? cuz all i have is one for google chrome
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05:50<SynrG>klinton: that's an either/or
05:50<SynrG>klinton: if you don't know how the second alternative works, use the first
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05:51<SynrG>klinton: i.e. editing /etc/apt/sources.list is fine
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05:53<klinton>lol. I am so blind. I see the .txt file now
05:53<SynrG>i don't know what you mean by ".txt" file (i would normally take that to mean "a file with an extension '.txt'")
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05:54<klinton>sorry yeah. i was looking in the sources.list.d folder when the sources.list file was in the apt folder and i just didn't see it
05:54<SynrG>file extensions don't define file type, file contents do
05:54<SynrG>just call it a "text file"
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06:00<klinton>should nano be already on my system? cuz I tried running apt-get and it said i already have it and when i search for it and click to run it it doesn't do anything. I am running KDE4 Plasma BTW
06:00<Maulkin>klinton: That's possibly because nano is a command line program
06:00<Maulkin>klinton: It doesn't have a graphical interface
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06:01<klinton>kay. sorry. I didn't know that.
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06:02<SynrG>klinton: get comfortable with a command-line text editor. you'll need it someday if-and-when your gui blows up
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06:03<SynrG>klinton: so you just su, then "nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
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06:07<klinton>ok. what i don't understand is how to save and exit
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06:09<klinton>lol. nevermind. just realize that my Konsole all of sudden has a menu bar at the top
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06:11<klinton>SynrG: Now when I try to save output it tells me I don't have the proper permissions to do so and I am running in super user
06:12<SynrG>klinton: or you only thought you were?
06:13<klinton>lol. I ran the command "su" then typed my password then ran "nano etc/ blah blah" and added deb http line and selected file then save output as then selected sources.list and selected overwrite then it said I don't have permission to overwrite the file
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06:14<def>It is possible to extract the content of install-disk to one of the partitions on external USB HDD and then install Debian from it?
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06:16<jm_>def: you can write ISO images directly on the USB disks etc.
06:16<SynrG>klinton: clearly you did one of the steps wrong. i'm not sure which. review what you did and you will probably see it yourself.
06:16<klinton>SynrG: Kay
06:17<SynrG>klinton: when saving a file in nano, it shows the filename of the file you edited. you just need to press <enter> There.
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06:17<SynrG>other than that, i have no ideas.
06:18<peter1138>klinton, File -> Save Output is part of Konsole, not nano.
06:18<peter1138>Fortunately it didn't work, else you would have totally hosed your sources.list
06:18<SynrG>peter1138: thanks.
06:19<klinton>then how do I save files with nano. I see ^(letters) at the bottom but what do I have to do to save the file?
06:19<SynrG>klinton: for future reference, command-line applications do not normally take input from graphical menus :p
06:19<peter1138>To save in nano, press the shortcut cut as shown at the bottom of the nano window. ^ means Ctrl, btw.
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06:19<klinton>thanks peter1138
06:19<SynrG>klinton: ^X
06:20<SynrG>klinton: when you exit, it prompts you to save the file
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06:20<SynrG>so <ctrl>-x
06:20<klinton>yep. just did it
06:20<klinton>just verified that the changes were made.
06:21<SynrG>sorry. i forget what it is like to be as green as you. :)
06:21<SynrG>it is easy to assume too much
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06:22<klinton>It's ok. I am sorry for being so noob. But It's just that I've grown up on windows and mac and can run circles around them but I am trying to deepen and strengthen my open source knowledge with linux and have used ubuntu back on 11.04 natty knarwal but am back on using debian to finnish the job
06:23<devil_>klinton: no need to be sorry
06:23<def><jm_>: I must to use "dd" command?
06:23<devil_>klinton: we all started out that way at some point
06:24<klinton>SynrG: so what exactly am I to do first in order to take care of my graphics card issue
06:24<devil_>well, not neccessarily with ubuntu… :P
06:24<jm_>def: it can be dd, cat, ... - just make sure you won't lose any data doing this (i.e. have a backup, use the right device name)
06:24<SynrG>klinton: i'll second what devil said. don't be sorry. everyone was a newbie once. :)
06:24<klinton>devil_: nice one
06:25<SynrG>klinton: so i will get dpkg bot to send you those two factoids again ...
06:25<SynrG>!tell klinton about non-free sources
06:25<SynrG>!tell klinton about radeon firmware
06:25<ben>Does anyone know of particularly good help/documentation for insserv?
06:26<SynrG>klinton: read and do the instructions in those. if you have problems with any of the steps, ask.
06:26<ben>I'm struggling a bit with the man page
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06:26<klinton>SynrG: lol. all i see are your shouting commands to the bot
06:26<SynrG>klinton: in a separate window or tab, you should have the replies from dpkg
06:26<SynrG>switch to that, then switch back here
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06:27<klinton>ah. i see it in red to the left.
06:28<jm_>ben: what are you trying to do with it?
06:29<klinton>also while i'm here instead of googling. do you know where i should start looking to add the aero snap feature to my KDE?
06:29<klinton>it would be a really useful feature to have for me
06:30<ben>I would like to use a custom grub install on a usb drive to boot my Debian install in runlevel3 to run a script which changes a text file in /var/lib/AccountServices/users/ to make gdm boot into gnome-fallback mode
06:31<ben>insserv may not be the right tool :P
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06:31<ben>I tried symlinking a script in rc3.d but it wasn't working and Stummi suggested insserv instead
06:32<SynrG>klinton: do you know this is available in kde or are you just wishing that it were? i google for that and it seems to be some windows thing.
06:32<ben>I have the usb drive grub thing booting it into runlevel3, and I have a working script to edit the text file
06:32<ben>I just can't get it to execute
06:32<SynrG>klinton: it is the first i heard of it.
06:32<ben>on boot - it executes fine manually
06:32<SynrG>klinton: believe it or not, many here have no idea about windows things.
06:33<babilen>SynrG: I guess that it is called differently on KDE, but that klinton uses the "Windows term" for it. (if it exists that is)
06:33<babilen>klinton: Could you describe what an "Aero Snap" is?
06:34<peter1138>It's mouse gestures to move/resize windows, or something like that.
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06:35<SynrG>i know that in gnome3 if you drag a window anywhere near the top of the screen it maximizes. something like that?
06:35<jm_>insserv expects LSB tags in your script - do you have them?
06:35<peter1138>Oh, that's shake.
06:35<SynrG>that's a default behaviour. not something you add.
06:35<peter1138>Yeah it's like what Gnome 3 does.
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06:35<klinton>it was implemented in windows 7. It's a feature that when you drag a window completely to lef, top or right of the screen it affects the windows. when you move the window to left of the screen until your mouse touches the edge it will resize and "snap" the window to exactly half of the screen
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06:36<ben>I /think/ so
06:36<ben>That's the ### BEGIN INIT INFO section?
06:36<ben>Do I need all of them?
06:36<klinton>same when you move it to the right. and as for the top screen it goes full
06:36<babilen>klinton: Check kde settings→workspace behaviour → screen edges
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06:36<klinton>i'll check that out.
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06:37<jm_>just set them like this page describes it
06:38<babilen>klinton: Would you mind if I ask the bot to send you a couple of links to good introductory documentation about Debian and Linux?
06:38<ben>Oh awesome!
06:38<ben>That looks easy to follow
06:39<klinton>SynrG: Running aptitude update now
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06:41<ben>I'm off to try my script - wish me luck! :P
06:41<babilen>klinton: hmm?
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06:42<klinton>babilen: sure
06:43<babilen>dpkg: tell klinton -about general cli tutorial
06:43<babilen>dpkg: tell klinton -about handbook
06:44<babilen>dpkg: tell klinton -about grounding
06:44<klinton>on a side note while i'm here. i had tried google for this but i couldn't find anything. is there a way to make debian load up with a random splash screen everytime i boot up?
06:47<babilen>klinton: I'm sure there is (software you are looking for is plynmouth), but I never cared about is and actually like to see the messages to be able to guide you further.
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06:51<SynrG>you can probably make kdm have a random background image.
06:51<SynrG>i've never done it ... but i imagine it is a problem someone has solved.
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06:52<SynrG>while that's not a boot splash, it happens shortly after boot, and gives you some non-monotonous eye-candy each time you boot
06:52<chocolate>whats the way to open virtual machine disk on vmware esxi to see what it contains?
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06:52<babilen>klinton: Are you referring to your background or a "boot animation" ?
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06:53<SynrG>chocolate: you realize this is the debian support channel?
06:53<SynrG>chocolate: maybe you meant to join #vmware @ ?
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06:55<SynrG>klinton: how are you coming with enabling non-free in sources.list and installing the non-free firmware?
06:55<klinton>babilen: boot animation I believe. I can choose splash (loading) screens in system settings with KDE but there are quite a few that I really like and was just wondering if there's a way to have my os randomize between different ones each time I load.
06:55<SynrG>klinton: are you to the point yet where you can reboot and report if your graphics performance problem is solved?
06:55<klinton>SynrG: I am ready to reboot now.
06:56<SynrG>why don't you try. these "finishing touches" can wait until later :)
06:56<klinton>SynrG: I ran aptitude udate then aptitude install and am finished
06:56<klinton>will restart and be back
06:56<SynrG>k. hopefully all goes well :)
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07:05<def>There is no Mate DE in Debian 7 ?!
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07:05<SynrG>considering how flawed an idea it is, no.
07:05<dpkg>The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2 to keep its development active. MATE is not supported in #debian, see <why not mate>. #mate on
07:05<klinton>SynrG: VLC won't play back my file and default movie player is having even more problems with playback than it was originally. I'm pretty sure I updated my codecs the right way but could you tell me your recommended way of adding and updating codecs?
07:06<SynrG>dpkg: that being said, there is a team working on it for jessie. but i'm not encouraged by what i've seen so far.
07:06<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, SynrG
07:06<SynrG>def: that being said, there is a team working on it for jessie. but i'm not encouraged by what i've seen so far.
07:06<SynrG>a bit of chaos in the early stages of development. and no working mate yet in jessie that i can see (or even in sid)
07:07<SynrG>def: consider xfce4 as a suitable replacement for gnome3 if you don't like gnome3 ...
07:07<bernat>klinton: you should describe your *real* problem
07:07<SynrG>in jessie, i think cinnamon is a better alternative than mate (but again, is not ready yet)
07:08<def>Yes. And Whisker menu plugin is very nice.
07:08<SynrG>klinton: you said you didn't like the "drivers in debian". i assumed you had graphics performance issues. maybe i assumed too much?
07:08<klinton>bernat: what do you mean by *real* ?
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07:09<SynrG>klinton: by "real", we mean, "i am trying to do ___. i tried ___ and expected ___. when i did this, ___ happened instead."
07:09<SynrG>klinton: we never got an actual problem statement like that.
07:09<klinton>SynrG: Yeah my graphics issue is resolved but along side that I am having playback issues which I believe are derived from lack of codecs or bad ones
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07:09<SynrG>klinton: just "it won't work" (for trying to install vlc from backports). and then "i don't like the debian drivers" after that.
07:10<bernat>klinton: describe your playback issues
07:10<bernat>klinton: you're just proposing solutions and we don't even know about the problem
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07:11<klinton>bernat: when I right click the video file that I want to view and select open with vlc. vlc opens the file and even states so with big white letters at the bottom as usual but it stays a black screen and won't play back the file.
07:12<bernat>klinton: have you tried other players? which ones?
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07:13<SynrG>klinton: super. that's clearer. this time, can you try again with vlc from a terminal?
07:13<SynrG>e.g. vlc myvideofile.mp4 (or whatever)
07:13<SynrG>then cut-and-paste the output to
07:14<SynrG>this will give some information about what vlc is unhappy with
07:14<klinton>bernat: yes. I have tried the the player that comes with know as Movie Player and I have tried with dragon player. dragon player plays the audio but no video and movie player lags skips and stutters.
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07:14<klinton>SynrG: I will try running from konsole
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07:15<klinton>I just thought about this. but could it be because I am trying to play the file off of my ntfs partition?
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07:16<bernat>klinton: the stutter in movie player could be caused by this, but vlc not playing it at all must be another problem
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07:16<bernat>klinton: wait, it's a local ntfs partition, then it should play without problems
07:18<vlt>Hello. When I start my X server the machine doesn't respond anymore. There are millions of "EE" lines in Xorg.0.log, the first 1,000 did I paste here: Any idea why these errors occur?
07:18<klinton>bernat: Yeah. I partitioned my hard drive with windows to create free unallocated space before installing debian
07:19<klinton>bernat: for dual boot purposes of course
07:20<SynrG>klinton: so, i'm waiting for the output from vlc run from konsole ... have limited time to check that (bus to work soon)
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07:21<SynrG>klinton: remember to use for that
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07:21<SynrG>vlt: what changed?
07:21<SynrG>vlt: you say "anymore". you did something between the last time it worked and now. what was it?
07:21<bernat>vlt: it would be interesting to see your dmesg output
07:22<SynrG>also, ATI Rage 128 is a *very* old card.
07:24<SynrG>yet amd64 suggests a not-quite-as-ancient system. why such an old card?
07:24<klinton>SynrG: tried running from konsole and it still didn't work. i'll try uninstalling and re installing it
07:24<SynrG>klinton: no ...
07:24<vlt>SynrG: It responds fine until I start X, then not anymore ;-) I'm currently writing on this machine.
07:24<SynrG>no, no, no
07:25<SynrG>klinton: please, do what i asked. pretty please. :)
07:25<vlt>SynrG: That card has an analog video input that I wanted to capture from (or at least try).
07:25<klinton>ok. how do I get the output?
07:26<vlt>SynrG: Should I switch to Debian i686 for further experiments?
07:26<SynrG>cut-and-paste what you see into the textbox at
07:26<SynrG>klinton: then press "Send"
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07:26<SynrG>then give us the resulting URL
07:26<bernat>vlt: it would be interesting to see your dmesg output
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07:27<SynrG>vlt: no, i am not flagging amd64 as a problem ... i was just observing, and wondered why
07:28<SynrG>vlt: you didn't answer my earlier question. this worked before? if so, what changed?
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07:29<klinton>just realize that it says no video adapter. weird?
07:29<SynrG>klinton: that's curious. the radeon driver should definitely have the XVideo adaptor
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07:30<SynrG>klinton: please let us see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and again, use just "Browse..." and select the file, then "Send".
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07:30<vlt>SynrG: no, I haven't tried after Debian 3.1 to use this card.
07:31<vlt>SynrG: Back then it worked if I remember correct.
07:31<SynrG>vlt: is this a fresh debian install, then?
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07:32<SynrG>klinton: this is bad news:
07:32<SynrG>[ 22.773] (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM
07:32<SynrG>[dri] Disabling DRI.
07:32<SynrG>klinton: others here can help with that. i have to go get my bus.
07:33<klinton>SynrG: thanks for all your help. :)
07:33<SynrG>klinton: but i would say the first thing to check is to make sure you properly installed the firmware.
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07:33<bernat>klinton: show us the ouput for dmesg
07:34<SynrG>klinton: you may find installing nopaste helps for this
07:34<dpkg>nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste".
07:34<SynrG>good luck
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07:34<vlt>SynrG: Yes, the install is quite fresh.
07:35*vlt debootstraps an i686 version
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07:41<vlt>bernat: This is dmesg _before_ running X:
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07:43<klinton>bernat: synrg suggested that i make sure i installed firmware correctly. how should I do this?
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07:46<gsimmons>klinton: From your last paste: "[drm:radeon_pci_probe] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree."
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07:47<bau30250>si tu <
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07:49<gol30559>to je moc hodina co<
07:50<bau30250>ale za par minut koncime
07:50<gol30559>jeste ze tak...ja sem uy uplne yhroucenej
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07:51<gol30559>kdo vsechno je ted napojenej na tento chat< >D
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07:52<bernat>klinton: it seems the firmware isn't loaded
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07:52<bernat>klinton: dpkg -l firmware-linux-nonfree
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07:55<Depa>Hi :)
07:55<Depa>I have a problem
07:55<Depa>with LXPANEL...
07:55<Depa>Can I ask?
07:55<klinton>bernat: I tried both nonfree and non-free and it says no packages found matching. and i had just run the aptitude install for it
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07:56<jm_>!tell depa -about ask
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07:57<Depa>ok :) this is the problem
07:57<Depa>when I start an LXDE session
07:57<Depa>LXPANEL start but can't load my profile...
07:57<Depa>If I run:
07:58<Depa>lxpanelctl exit && lxpanel -p depa
07:58<Depa>it works!
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07:59<ziggy>@search denise lynn
08:00<bernat>vlt: try modprobe r128
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08:00<bernat>klinton: what's the output of the command I gave you?
08:01<jm_>depa: try checking ~/.xsession
08:01<bernat>klinton: does it say the package doesn't exist?
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08:01<Depa>@jm_: ok, I check now
08:02<bernat>klinton: run apt-get update && apt-cache policy
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08:02<jm_>Depa: sorry I meant ~/.xsession-errors
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08:03<Depa>(Sorry... Bad click)
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08:05<Depa>content of ~/.xsession-x2go-errors
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08:07<jm_>so when is it supposed to create a config file?
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08:08<Depa>if I run "lxpanelctl exit && lxpanel -p depa"
08:08<Depa>it works, because there is the config file...
08:08<Depa>in the right place...
08:09<Depa>I tryed to use different config file, and all of them works fine, but manually...
08:09<bernat>klinton: in Konsole run (apt-get update && apt-cache policy) | nopaste
08:11<jm_>but shouldn't the next start then find the config file?
08:11<Depa>no... never...
08:11<Depa>when I start a new session, with X2Go, I get this problem...
08:11<Depa>have you seen the screenshot?
08:12<klinton>bernat: I re did the aptitude install linux-firmware-nonfree and it went well this time then i ran dpkg and update and cache i have posted my results for dpkg and cache here
08:12<jm_>what is x2go?
08:13<Depa>is a terminal server...
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08:13<bernat>klinton: ok, it's installed now
08:13<jm_>does it work if you start X the usual way?
08:14<bernat>klinton: you should reboot
08:14<Depa>I don't know because I can access directly to che machine...
08:14<Depa>only via SSH and X2Go
08:14<klinton>bernat: kay. will do.
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08:15<Depa>X is running
08:15<Depa>and lightdm also...
08:15<Depa>(server runs Wheezy)
08:16<Depa>can I try to shutdown X and connect via X2Go?
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08:22<klinton>bernat: I have rebooted. also I had removed vlc. should I reinstall it to test it out now?
08:23<bernat>klinton: you should know, you're on command
08:24<bernat>klinton: I don't get why you removed it in the first place since we were trying to make it work
08:25<klinton>lol. sorry bout that. will re install and test
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08:29<Depa>I saw just now
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08:30<SynrG>bernat: progress! (with klinton). finally arrived at work and curious to know how it ends when he comes back :)
08:30<Depa>that the istance that I have to kill of lxpanel
08:30<Depa>uses LXDE profile.... and not mine...
08:30<bernat>SynrG: good you're here since I'll be going soon, he's installed the firmware and it's now installing vlc (again)
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08:30<SynrG>bernat: yup. just caught up to that point.
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08:32<klinton>bernat: sweet!!! my video is playing properly. the only naunce i am having now is a little bit of screen tearing her and there probably due to a vsync/codec issue. but other than that it all works. Thanks!!! :)
08:33<SynrG>klinton: beautiful!
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08:34<klinton>can anyone direct me to getting a good codec pack installed. something similar to k-lite for windows. if you need to know what k-lite is go to
08:34<Dmitry>klinton, hello Bill (-:
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08:35<Stummi>klinton, vlc brings its codec packs itself iirc
08:36<bernat>klinton: no, Debian has its own codecs, you shouldn't try installing other ones on your own
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08:36<klinton>I know. it does the same on windows but k-lite installs versions of codecs and ffmpeg that do the job better without as much drain on system resources
08:36<SynrG>klinton: and you could try if mplayer does a better job at rendering than vlc
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08:37<SynrG>klinton: the usual solution if your system is too slow to play a video is to find the video in a lower bitrate/resolution.
08:37<klinton>do i need to download mplayer? or are you refering to movie player?
08:37<bernat>klinton: don't try windows solutions, rather ask here
08:37<SynrG>if not, you could use avconv to transcode it.
08:38<SynrG>,v mplayer2
08:38<bernat>klinton: codecs in Debian are very good, I doubt your problem has to do with codecs, I'd have to check though
08:38<judd>Package: mplayer2 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2.0-554-gf63dbad-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 2.0-554-gf63dbad-1+b1; wheezy: 2.0-554-gf63dbad-1+b1; sid: 2.0-701-gd4c5b7f-2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0~git20120817-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.0~git20130706-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0~git20130706-dmo1
08:38<bernat>I have to go now, bb
08:38<SynrG>klinton: aptitude install mplayer2
08:38<klinton>the speed of playback is fine. it's just that i am getting a little bit of screen tear similar to what you get in video games with vsync disabled
08:38<SynrG>see if it does a better job
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08:40<klinton>do i need to restart after installing mplayer?
08:41<Dmitry>I don't think so
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08:41<SynrG>klinton: from the commandline, just mplayer filename
08:42<SynrG>and no worries, there are frontends, but doing things from the commandline means we get the detailed output in case things go wrong
08:44<SynrG>i can't make a specific recommendation as i don't use any of these. there is kmplayer for kde, for example. "apt-cache search mplayer" will find some other frontends.
08:44<SynrG>another thing that may help is using different video output. for example, gl vs xvideo
08:44<SynrG>each player has its own way to select that.
08:45<klinton>mplayer gives crappy quality video even though its 720p BluRay and the audio/video don't match up. So I guess I might be stuck with the minor screen tear from time to time. No big. can always just switch over to windows to watch if I get really bugged by it.
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08:46<SynrG>klinton: as i said, different video output may help
08:46<SynrG>klinton: go back to vlc and ...
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08:47<SynrG>Tools > Preferences > Video > Output > OpenGL
08:48<SynrG>klinton: as for mplayer crappy quality, i imagine it is some wrong default options that could be corrected ...
08:48<SynrG>if you can live with things as they are, i don't want to get into mplayer configuration right now. maybe others here have time to help :)
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08:48<SynrG>but vlc is what you normally use, so if you can find a vlc solution, that seems best.
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08:49<SynrG>klinton: did mplayer spit out any "your system is too slow" types of messages?
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08:51<klinton>actually i use media player classic on windows but vlc is the only other player like it thats on linux. and no. it didn't spit out any of those messages. Also, i don't see how my system could be too slow on a linux distro when i run windows 8 64 bit and watch up to 1080p videos on it just fine.
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08:53<SynrG>klinton: whether it is actually too slow or just too slow due to misconfiguration are two different things. i was just curious.
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08:55<SynrG>klinton: in any case, mplayer outputs a bunch of detailed information about codecs used ... if you wanted to pursue it further, you could put those in a paste and we could see if we could help.
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08:56<SynrG>generally the set of codecs provided by the libav project are excellent. but there are just so many of them. if there were some known issue with one, we would need the details for the file that plays badly for you ...
08:56<SynrG>klinton: do you have this problem with all videos or just this one? try different videos that use different codecs.
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08:56<SynrG>but are otherwise roughly the same in quality
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08:57<SynrG>but since i'm at work now, i'll have to again leave you in the hands of others here if you want to continue to debug this.
08:58<klinton>hmm. i would have to download a video for that because all my videos are in .mp4, .mkv or .avi and are using h264/.x264 avc formats
08:58<klinton>but i will try a different file
09:00<SynrG>sometimes different container matters too
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09:07<klinton>SynrG: I discovered that if I play the video fullscreen that I get the tearing but if I play windowed and make the video smaller than the tearing goes away
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09:12<SynrG>klinton: ah. did you try messing with different video output?
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09:20<klinton>tried that yeah. just got myself some codecs for amd64 from deb-multimedia and am going to restart to see if this will help
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09:24<SynrG>!why not dmm
09:24<dpkg>The repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>.
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09:24<SynrG>klinton: there are good reasons not to use deb-multimedia as per above.
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09:25<SynrG>also, you needn't "restart" each time you install something
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09:27<klinton>yeah. I'm still getting tearing and i am even trying it on kaffeine and still getting the same issues. I swear, even with all the open source goodness that linux has to offer it also means being stuck with poor compatibilities and such
09:27<klinton>I both love it and hate it.
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09:29<SynrG>jftr, i have no such tearing issues on any videos on any systems
09:30<SynrG>so it may be something specific to your particular video chipset
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09:30<SynrG>if i were you, i would back out the last change you did (i.e. uninstall w32codecs ... you don't need it; and remove dmm from your sources.list and then aptitude update)
09:31<SynrG>klinton: otherwise, down the road you will probably get into trouble with dmm packages breaking your upgrades
09:31<SynrG>they have a long history of this
09:31<klinton>sure. also i just found out that in kaffeine under video settings if i disable deinterlacing the tearing is greatly reduced
09:32<SynrG>was w32codecs the *only* package that was installed from this repo?
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09:33<klinton>i ran the command line found here
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09:34<SynrG>oh! so you didn't modify sources.list, just did wget and installed it? good.
09:34<SynrG>that's the safest way
09:35<klinton>yeah. no. i try to avoid modifying my sources if at all possible when messing with installations
09:35<SynrG>well, it's unlikely w64codecs will conflict. but for best support, do without it.
09:35<SynrG>it doesn't seem to help in any case, which is what we maintained all along :)
09:35<klinton>okay. what's the cmd to remove?
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09:35<Airwave>Hey. I am trying to set up exim to use my ISP's mail relay so that I web applications can send email.
09:35<SynrG>aptitude remove --purge w64codecs
09:36<babilen>klinton: And to be honest: I *never* needed w64codecs in the last 6 years. Just use proper players such as vlc and you shouldn't run into problems.
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09:36<Airwave>Apparently I'm not doing it correctly, because I get a mail delivery failed with the error "Sender address rejected: need fully-qualified address"
09:37<klinton>btw. what is your main Desktop Environment of expertise?
09:37<salantrax>Q: Doing a directory listing as user 'user' i get "d????????? ? ? ? ? ? bin". Owner is 'user'. root can list it fine. What could be wrong? Debian testing.
09:37<babilen>klinton: mine?
09:38<klinton>sorry. SynrG
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09:38<SynrG>klinton: mine? some gnome3, some lxde. a tiny bit of kde. a tiny bit of xfce4 ... smatterings of plain WMs over the years ... i'm a generalist ...
09:38<klinton>how bout you babilen?
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09:38<SynrG>daily at work i use gnome3 and on my netbook and at home mostly use lxde, though some systems i use less often are on gnome3
09:38<SynrG>so i'm most current with those.
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09:39<klinton>basically i'm looking to theme my kde to mac os x
09:39<klinton>just for funs until i get bored with it and switch back to plasma
09:39<SynrG>so the way you ask about this is just ask your question :) you don't need to ask about specific people's proficiency ...
09:39<klinton>I know of macbuntu but that's for gtx
09:39<babilen>klinton: I was a Gnome user years ago, but switched to window managers pretty early on. Was using fluxbox for a couple of years before switching to wmii about 4-5 years ago and am now using awesomewm these days as wmii is no longer maintained.
09:39<SynrG>address the channel with your question. if someone knows how to help, they will.
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09:40<SynrG>we are much, much smarter as a group than as individuals.
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09:40<babilen>klinton: But yeah, listen to SynrG and ask specific questions. There is nothing wrong with getting to know other people in these channels, but that is better done in off-topic channels such as #debian-offtopic
09:41*SynrG nods
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09:41<klinton>if there is a better desktop environment for theming anyone have suggestions
09:42<salantrax>A: stupid permissions error.
09:42<salantrax>never mind.
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09:43<babilen>klinton: To be honest: I didn't care about "theming" for at least ten years. it's something you do when you are young, but you will, probably, find out that all that eye-candy simply distracts you from what you really want to do with your computer.
09:43<SynrG>klinton: objectively? i doubt it. each desktop provides its own way to theme. i don't think of any one as "better" than the other ...
09:44<babilen>klinton: KDE is certainly a themable desktop environment. Other options comprise window managers such as fluxbox, openbox, e17, fvwm2, awesomewm, ...
09:44<SynrG>klinton: there's no better way to discovering what makes *you* happy right now than just playing :)
09:45<SynrG>klinton: one person's "themable" is another person's "opaque". another person's "flexible" is another's "hopelessly arcane" ...
09:46<klinton>babilen: it's because I use my pc 24/7 that I like to theme. Because the way I see it, if I have to stare at the damn thing all the time then I might as well be greeted with something aesthetically pleasing
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09:46<SynrG>there are various ways to configure your desktop, and not every way is appreciated by everyone. just play around for now with kde, since it is what you have, and see how far you can get ...
09:47<SynrG>if you later want to try others, feel free!
09:47<SynrG>not everyone has the same aesthetic sense
09:47<klinton>oh yeah. that reminds me. do you know how to fix the gnome 3 issue with debian?
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09:47<SynrG>"the gnome 3 issue"?
09:47<babilen>What issue exactly?
09:48<SynrG>i suspect if it fell back to gnome classic before because your video driver was missing firmware ...
09:48<SynrG>that problem is solved now
09:48<SynrG>just guessing though, because you were not precise :)
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09:48<klinton>kay. will try it out.
09:49<SynrG>(gotta get yourself in the habit of formulating exact problem statements :)
09:49<klinton>is there a way to switch desktop environments without logging out?
09:49<SynrG>klinton: you can't depend on us to be able to read your mind all the time :)
09:50<SynrG>logging out is the most straightforward way
09:50<klinton>couldn't i just run kquitapp plasma-desktop and then run the command for gnome?
09:50<SynrG>there is such a thing as a nested display, but that won't necessarily yield good results.
09:51<SynrG>no, because complicated desktop environments (like gnome3 and kde4) have a whole host of interoperating parts, not *just* the WM
09:51<SynrG>these comprise your "session"
09:51<klinton>got it. will log out then.
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09:53<klinton>yep. it's working now. this means that I can try out macbuntu.
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09:55<babilen>klinton: That doesn't look maintained at all and I doubt that it's compatible with Gnome 3.
09:56<klinton>it's a gnome desktop environment theme that will work on other distros than ubuntu even though it was originally made for ubuntu. and it's actually well maintained as of 2013 here
09:57<SynrG>no new releases since 2010 is well maintained?
09:57<zumbi>no bugs found, software is perfect :)
09:58<klinton>it was just last updated as of april 23rd 2013
09:58<SynrG>"last updated" means the project at, not the code
09:59<SynrG>there have been no new releases of code since 2010
09:59<SynrG>look at "files"
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09:59<SynrG>this is a poorly maintained project and unlikely to work at all for you
09:59<SynrG>save yourself the grief and don't bother.
09:59<babilen>klinton: And they target Gnome 2, you won't be able to use that.
10:00<SynrG>that could give you clues as to why it didn't survive ...
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10:00<klinton>hmm...... dang it.
10:00<klinton>will still continue to look for a decent solution on kde then.
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10:01<klinton>oh yeah. do you know how to make it so that my numlcok stays on even after i log out. or to make it so that when I boot up into the log in screen it automatically enables?
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10:15<Osiris_X>what's the best tool for centrally managing configurations of several machines (e.g. for apt, apache, dhcp,ntp, ssh, samba, etc) - I want to keep my configurations synchronised across machines.
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10:22<SynrG>Osiris_X: i imagine a good answer to that requires more information: how many machines? how often do configurations change? etc.
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10:24<Osiris_X>SynrG: I'm talking small scale - currently 3 machines, configurations are quite stable but the central management system must be able to handle "official" config updates as I update (apt/dpkg) often
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10:26<Osiris_X>at its core I guess I'm talking about syncronising /etc/ files across machines
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10:27<Maulkin>Osiris_X: Puppet and chef are often mentioned among sysadmins I think
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10:27<Maulkin>Osiris_X: Or you could look at etckeeper or something
10:27<Osiris_X>Maulkin: ok great thanks.
10:27<Osiris_X>I heard mention of Webmin - but I didn't think that worked across several machines
10:28<emptylist>can anybody tell me how to install start-stop deamon? i serached for hours for this, without any result...
10:28<emptylist>my problem is that i can't start any deamons anymore...
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10:28<themill>emptylist: if you don't have start-stop-daemon then you've got real problems. How are you checking this?
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10:29<emptylist>themill: i searched with locate
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10:29<emptylist>themill: and i checked the /sbin/ folder
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10:30<Maulkin>emptylist: ls -l /sbin/start-stop-daemon
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10:30<emptylist>Maulkin: did this
10:30<emptylist>no result
10:31<Maulkin>emptylist: What version of debian are you running?
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10:31<Maulkin>emptylist: Can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy dpkg" ?
10:31<emptylist>Maulkin: 7.1
10:31<themill>emptylist: what's the output of "apt-cache policy dpkg apt perl libc6; apt-cache policy" there?
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10:31<babilen>Osiris_X: Also take a look at + salt-master + salt-minion packages.
10:31<Osiris_X>babilen: thanks
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10:32<emptylist>Maulkin, themill: ?? seems like there's noo dpkg anymore
10:32<emptylist>i dunno what happend
10:32<themill>the complete output in a pastebin would be handy
10:32<Maulkin>emptylist: What's the outputs of the above?
10:33*Maulkin hands over to themill :)
10:33<themill>The phrase "hospital pass" comes to mind...
10:33<emptylist>Maulkin: unable to locate package dpkg
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10:33<Maulkin>emptylist: "apt-cache policy dpkg apt perl libc6; apt-cache policy" - in a pastebin please
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10:34<Maulkin>emptylist: Also, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
10:34<Maulkin>emptylist: Also, do you fancy telling us how you got into this state? Sounds like you've been playing about with adding/removing some core packages...
10:34<emptylist>Maulkin: unfortuanally i don't get any connection to the internet
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10:35<emptylist>Maulkin: nothing in this direction
10:35<Maulkin>emptylist: Um... you're connected to the internet to talk to us :)
10:35<emptylist>Maulkin: yep
10:36<Maulkin>emptylist: Can you copy/paste? Take a photo?
10:36<emptylist>Maulin but not with my laptop
10:36<emptylist>Maulkin: no
10:36<themill>usb stick
10:36<emptylist>Maulkin: takes a while
10:36<emptylist>Maulkin: thx
10:37<themill>sneakernet ftw
10:37<Osiris_X>... a debian system without dpkg installed ?!?!?!
10:38<themill>emptylist: do you recall typing the phrase "Yes, do as I say", by any chance?
10:39<emptylist>themill: yes :-)
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10:40<hfp>Hi all! I am trying to put together this bash script: . I would like it to enumerate all the file_* variables and then fill $fileName with the actual value of $file_* rather than the "file_*" name. In other words, how do I make the shell understand that I want the content of $file_* put into $fileName ?
10:40<emptylist>themill: no, i din't type this^^
10:40<Maulkin>emptylist: And just before you typed it, can you remember what the screen said?
10:40<emptylist>Maulkin: sry, joke. i did not type this
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10:41<Maulkin>emptylist: That's how you will have removed dpkg...
10:41<emptylist>what i did is s shrinking my luks partition, etc, everything worked well, the installed win7 into a new partition
10:41<emptylist>installed grub
10:41<emptylist>and now, nothing works, i am not able to start any demon
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10:43<Maulkin>emptylist: Yeah, sounds broken. I would suggest re-installing
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10:45<emptylist>Maulkin: yes, i hoped it would be possible to fix this...
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10:46<emptylist>Maulkin: now dpkg seems to work?
10:46<emptylist>output of apt-cache policy dpkg:
10:46<dpkg>emptylist: i haven't a clue
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10:49<def>Hello again. I was advised hear that I can write bootable iso to one partition of USB HDD directly by "dd" or "cat" and then boot from USB HDD and install Debian. I did. But I can't boot from partition (flag 'boot' enabled). When I start computer, it load grub2 from HD. Gparted can't detect type of file-system on that partition.
10:49<emptylist>Installed: 1.16.10
10:49<emptylist>Candidate: 1.16.10
10:49<emptylist>Version Table:
10:49<emptylist>*** 1.16.10 0
10:49<emptylist>500 wheezy/main amd64 Packages
10:49<emptylist>100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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10:50<SynrG>def: to one partition? who advised this?
10:50<emptylist>Maulkin: the output of apt-cache policy dpkg
10:50<SynrG>def: or rather i should say, regardless of who, where does documentation exist that says you should do this?
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10:50<SynrG>def: or can you quote exactly what you were told?
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10:51<def>No, I did not read documentation.
10:51<SynrG>def: do you have an irclog of what you were told you could quote? if it came from a bad factoid or some such, i would like to fix it ...
10:51<Maulkin>emptylist: Right, so you should have dpkg installed now.
10:51<emptylist>Maulkin, themill: thanks, i wil reinstall it
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10:51<emptylist>Maulkin: yes
10:51<Maulkin>emptylist: I would suggest reinstalling though
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10:51<emptylist>Maulkin: i will do
10:52<SynrG>def: so far as i know, you use dd or cat to overwrite the entire contents of the USB stick ... but if you have a USB HDD not a USB key and want to preserve the rest of the contents of that HDD, that is more complicated.
10:53<SynrG>def: since i don't know what you asked or what answer you were given, i don't know if you were given the correct advice or not.
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10:53<def>>>> It is possible to extract the content of install-disk to one of the partitions on external USB HDD and then install Debian from it? >>> def: you can write ISO images directly on the USB disks etc.
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10:56<SynrG>def: that's it? i don't see anything there about dd or cat.
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10:57<def>>>> I must to use "dd" command? >>> def: it can be dd, cat, ... - just make sure you won't lose any data doing this (i.e. have a backup, use the right device name)
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10:59<def>Yes, he advised to write to USB stick. I asked about partition of HDD. It is possible?
10:59<SynrG>def: i think whoever answered this did not read your "to one of the partitions on external USB HDD" part of the problem.
10:59<SynrG>def: read
10:59<SynrG>writing to a USB stick is much simpler
10:59<SynrG>i would advise instead that you use that method.
11:00<SynrG>it is possible to do what you want, but it is certainly not as simple as overwriting the partition
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11:01<SynrG>i'm off to lunch. others here can hopefully help
11:01<def>I wanted that because I experimented with dual-layer blue-ray iso 41Gb ))
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11:05<Osiris_X>Maulkin: looking at etckeeper, but it is not clear how this keeps configs across multiple machines synchronised. Although this could be due to my only cursory knowledge and use of git at the moment
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11:42<avnish>how to convert decimal to binary
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11:43<bhuddah>avnish: can you please provide more details?
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11:45<avnish>i want to write a program that can convert decimal to binary
11:45<avnish>withought funcation
11:45<avnish>withought using funcation
11:46<peter1138>You probably want a different IRC channel then, this is Debian support.
11:47<avnish>what is the process
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12:14<Maulkin>Osiris_X: You'd have to do that bit yourself
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12:49<Osiris_X>I have had systemd installed for a while now - can I remove the sysvinit package without repurcussions?
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12:53<Flakk>Hello people Ihave a problem with my hwrd drive, a brand new 1 terbyte Black Caviar which seems now to be dead. I tried e2fsck with several optional superblock backup numbers and get always the same answer: attempt to write block from filesystem resulted in short read. I tried then to format it (ok i lose my data, but i could save the drive) , this does not work either. any help?
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12:54<darckfury95>sorry but i dont speek english
12:54<bernat>Flakk: use the warranty
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12:55<darckfury95>i m italian
12:55<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
12:56<Flakk>bernat: this would be OK, but there was some data on the disk (passwords etc), if smth is still left, I would be afraid to leave the disc to smb else
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13:05<blast007>Flakk: then change your passwords and send the disk back
13:06<retrospectacus>Flakk: what does "dmesg" say about the disk? (pastebin)
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13:20<Flakk>thanks people, I have already deleted all the partitions (with all the mp3 s inside) - it is now making a new ext4 partition, seems to work , I will see
13:21<Flakk>retrost\pectacus: just 1 sec, I will psot
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13:26<retrospectacus>that's a drive damage yep. You could try inspecting / re-plugging connectors or try a different motherboard sata port, etc. or warranty it
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13:28<retrospectacus>the "shred" command will (may be able to) destroy any data on the drive
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13:33<Flakk>retrospectacus: I have deleted all the partitions, created a new partition table, but when creating a partition there was an error ...
13:33<retrospectacus>I bet
13:33<Flakk>so the disk is damaged i guess
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13:33<retrospectacus>shred does not require any partitions to exist
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13:35<retrospectacus>"shred /dev/sdb" will write random data to the entire disk three times (it will take a very long time)
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13:35<retrospectacus>"man shred" for various options
13:35<Flakk>I still hope the disk is alive. what is the usage of shred? shred /dev/sdb1 ?
13:35<retrospectacus>that would just shred the first partition
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13:35<retrospectacus>Flakk: the disk is not alive, though it could be a bad cable/mobo port/connection
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13:36<Flakk>well, now it is on another computer
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13:36<retrospectacus>you could try re-partitioning it there
13:36<Flakk>I am suspicious about the Mobo, since it does not do its job very well anyway, but it is (helas) still another story
13:37<Flakk>yes I am trying to re-partition it, and it says "error"
13:37<Flakk>yes - ut says "the file system is damaged"
13:37<retrospectacus>what is "it" (or "ut")
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13:38<Flakk>using gparted
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13:38<Flakk>giving it one more try - with ext3
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13:43<Flakk>it is OK to calibrate /sdb1
13:43<Flakk>then set partition type on sdb1
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13:44<Flakk>(actually I do not know why, but the device is /dev/sdb, and only /dev/sdb1 is operational
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13:47<retrospectacus>I am not sure what you're asking
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13:49<Flakk>it seems I begin to understand. Now I am asking the following: gparted shows the device /dev/sdb - but I have also smth which is called /dev/sdb1
13:49<Flakk>so these two are different, right?
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13:51<retrospectacus>Flakk: sdb is the entire drive. sdb1 is the first partition
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13:51<Flakk>well, I have only one partition on sdb, so what would be the difference between the two?
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13:53<retrospectacus>Flakk: well... they are different concepts. e.g. you run "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" to see partitions on the drive. You run "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt" to mount the partition
13:54<retrospectacus>the drive has some things like the MBR and the partition table itself, that the partition doesn't. The partition has a fstype, journal, that the drive doesn't.
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13:56<Flakk>thanks! it seems i begin to understand. - meanwhile gparted has finished its work- it could not create a filesystem ext3 on the partition since could not erase sector 2, could not read block 0 (resulted in short read), and could not erase sector 0
13:56<retrospectacus>sounds like the drive is broken. You can try shred (on the drive, not the partition) and send it back.
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13:57<Flakk>the drive is /dev/sdb, so I do shred /dev/sdb, right?
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13:58<Flakk>how long does it take? has it any verbose mode?
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14:00<retrospectacus>"shred /dev/sdb" will write random data to the entire disk three times (it will take a very long time)
14:00<retrospectacus>"man shred" for various options including verbose
14:00<Flakk>yes thanks
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14:02<Flakk>i will now try to see if the Mobo has killed another drive
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14:04<Flakk>I have assembled a new computer with (what seemed to be ) a very powerful components, sata3 connection, ssd drive etc. Now the sata3 does not work, and the 1 tera disk is dead as we see, and another one is having trouble. the ssd one is still alve though
14:05<retrospectacus>try ##hardware on for that stuff. Let us know if you have Debian problems.
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14:08<Flakk>thanks! these do not seem to be Debian-specific problems. so even more grateful for your help
14:09<retrospectacus>no problem. good luck!
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14:35<hebr>hey there
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14:56<s_i_m>Hi guys. I have a question about octave in wheezy. I remember that the past we had octave-emacsen package for running an octave session in emacs. This package does not exist in wheezy. What is the alternative?
14:57<s_i_m>* in the past
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15:29<Azrael_->i try to get a network running but ran into a strange error-message. here is the config and error-message: (message: Error: either "local" is duplicate, or "/" is a garbage.) can you give me a hint?
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15:30<sney>it really says "is a garbage"?
15:30<Azrael_->oh yeah
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15:32<sney>it looks fine. I don't know what could be wront.
15:32<sney>wrong, even.
15:32<Azrael_->copied it right from a working installation, so i'm also confused
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15:45<blast007>Azrael_-: may or may not be relevant for Debian, but a CentOS document states that error may be safe to ignore ( )
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15:46<Azrael_->blast007: yeah, also read this. but the next line states: Failed to bring up eth0
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15:49<Azrael_->if this helps: this is a vm and i installed it with debootstrap
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16:10<nyov>is there an mdadm guru around? I had an reshape event fail (grow) on a raid6, pretty much immediately. the whole array failed
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16:11<nyov>can someone tell me what state the data is likely to be in? it was a grow from 4 devices to 5, with another spare in it. will the data on the old 4 disks have 'shifted' already?
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16:12<Azrael_->nyov: please tell me about the solution as soon as you found one. sounds interesting. i hope you've got a backup :)
16:14<nyov>I have cloned 2 drives from the initial 4 device raid6, will try a recovery using sparse file overlays.
16:14<nyov>just interested if the original drives could be reassembled, or if I should need to reassmble with the newly added drives and hope the reshape continues?
16:15<Azrael_->if you don't have a full backup and don't want to loose any data i'd suggest a full dd-backup just to be shure
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16:16<nyov>seemed like a software fail with mdadm btw. don't see how I did anything wrong with that grow operation
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16:20<nyov>Azrael_-: it's lose, not loose. but thanks, i'm aware of that. it's kinda expensive to get a full complement of new disks for that, though. overlays should be enough.
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16:21<nyov>and a partial clone of the raid just in case, not fully redundant but enough to start it
16:22<Azrael_->nyov: sorry for the typo
16:22<nyov>np, it's common enough, I just cant stand to see it ;)
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16:23<Azrael_->you're right, just read it up again.
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16:28<josh>man looks pretty loaded in dat queue
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16:33<nyov>and here's the log of the event, I wonder what went wrong. Can only guess at a drive controller or software thing:
16:34<nyov>anyway, I'll just go on with trying to fix it then.
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17:16<esseks>Hi! I'm playing with an ancient desktop equipped with three ethernet cards, two external and one integrated. Problem is that lspci only reports the two external cards, no mention of the integrated one. It must be working (since it's the only one connected to the LAN), but I cannot find it mentioned anywhere. Any other command I could try?
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17:45<Vikinger>i installed debian no X
17:46<retrospectacus>Vikinger: excellent
17:46<Vikinger>then i installed Xorg, and MATE, working superb, but i have to always after login to startx
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17:46<retrospectacus>Vikinger: you may want a login manager
17:46<Vikinger>thats what i was looking for
17:46<Vikinger>login manager
17:47<Vikinger>do you recommend any _
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17:48<retrospectacus>Vikinger: xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, slim, lightdm are examples. You may want mdm for mate
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17:49<Vikinger>thank you retrospectacus
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17:50<retrospectacus>(I suppose they are Display Managers... including login management)
17:51<Vikinger>also how do i change the colors on MATE, its too bright by default, i opened some files on gedit and i can barely see theit names, in the tabs
17:51<babilen>Vikinger: We really don't support MATE (nor endorse it)
17:52<babilen>dpkg: mate
17:52<dpkg>The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2 to keep its development active. MATE is not supported in #debian, see <why not mate>. #mate on
17:52<retrospectacus>Vikinger: mate is not part of debian (yet) and thus not supported here. You'll have to go to the mate channel.
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17:52<babilen>Vikinger: I'd actually recommend to either use a distribution that supports MATE natively or to pick a DE that is actually packages in Debian. (e.g. cinnamon, XFCE, KDE, Gnome, LXDE)
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17:53<Vikinger>ok babilen didnt know about that, good ideia :)
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17:56<babilen>Vikinger: Note that cinnamon is not in wheezy (but in jessie and unstable) -- You'd have to either track those or backport it manually (/msg dpkg ssb; shouldn't be hard) if you want to use that.
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17:56<babilen>Vikinger: /msg judd v cinnamon
17:58<babilen>Vikinger: Hmm, you'd have to backport libmuffin-dev (and install it) first - Ah well, just enumerating your options. :)
17:59<Vikinger>good help :)
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18:04<esseks>Vikinger, I compiled Cinnamon for Wheezy inside a Virtualbox, it's quite easy, just learn how to compile a debianized source package and do it for cinnamon and muffin :)
18:04<esseks>(btw, used a VM not to clutter my system with unneeded -dev packages and development tools)
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18:09<tim>Hi. Quick question. What are the differences between the downloads on here: ? There are DVD-1, DVD-2 and DVD3. what's the difference?
18:10<babilen>esseks: You might want to look into using cowbuilder/qemubuilder and apt-src if you do that often :)
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18:10<babilen>tim: Well, the entire DVD set contains *all* packages in Debian. We only provide pre-made images for DVD1-3 as most people have internet access and very rarely need more.
18:11<EmleyMoor>tim: They are a 3 part set. You can install just with DVD 1. 2 and 3 contain less-used packages.
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18:11<babilen>tim: Are you planning to install Debian? Do you have internet access? Which desktop environment would you like to use?
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18:12<tim>EmleyMoor: thanks babilen: I am installing it to a little laptop, so I'm guessing xfce is the best
18:12<babilen>tim: The installer is the same on all netinst, CD1, DVD1 and BD1 images, but these images differ in the packages they contain. It doesn't make a difference at all if you can download packages during the installation.
18:12<babilen>dpkg: tell tim -about install debian
18:12<babilen>dpkg: tell tim -about install xfce
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18:13<babilen>tim: Do you have internet access during the installation? How fast is it? How do you connect?
18:13<tim>babilen: does the 3.7 GB image not contain a desktop environment?
18:13<tim>babilen: I have wireless LAN
18:15<babilen>tim: Do you plan to install from a CD blank or USB?
18:15<tim>babilen: I could also connect a wire
18:15<babilen>tim: Is your internet connection reasonably fast?
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18:15<tim>babilen: USB. I don't have a drive on the target machine
18:15<tim>babilen: yeah, it can go reasonably fast
18:17<babilen>I would install from the netinstall image then and select XFCE in the boot menu (the bot sent you a factoid that explains how to do that exactly). I ask it to provide some additional information, but you definitely don't need DVD1. If you *do not* use the netinst with firmware you probably want to download it separately and unpack it to the second partition on the USB stick.
18:17<babilen>dpkg: tell tim -about firmware image
18:17<babilen>dpkg: tell tim -about usb install
18:17<babilen>dpkg: tell tim -about installer firmware
18:17<babilen>tim: Are you preparing the USB on Windows or a Linux system?
18:18<tim>babilen: I wanted to do a netinstall earlier and have the image on my computer. CD didn't burn properly
18:18<tim>babilen: I am using Linux Mint
18:18<babilen>tim: Are you sure that you grabbed the image with firmware?
18:18<tim>that's the one
18:19<babilen>tim: Ah, okay. In that case you can just use "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and the block device of your USB stick. (check "dmesg|tail -n23" after plugging it in if you are unsure)
18:19<babilen>tim: Yeah, that should work just fine.
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18:19<babilen>tim: I take it that the target system doesn't support 64bit?
18:20<tim>the netinstall will download everything like desktop environments and whatnot?
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18:20<tim>It's 32 bit, I had debian on it before
18:20<tim>it's a intel atom
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18:21<babilen>yes, you have to configure it to install XFCE in the boot menu though. You'll be asked at the end which "tasks" you want to install and the installer with download and install the selected desktop environment if you install the "Desktop" task. I strongly recommend installing the "Standard" one too
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18:21<babilen>You can, naturally, install XFCE later too, but that is the way to do it from the start.
18:22<babilen>tim: I am referring to the "from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install" part btw
18:22<tim>yeah, I would want to have it there right away. I'm not so advanced in bash :)
18:22<babilen>That's no problem. Installing a desktop environment during the installation also causes network-manager to be configured with suitable connections right away.
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18:24<tim>great. are any of the other desktop environments listed in distrowatch any good?
18:24<babilen>tim: You can, naturally, also use the XFCE CD1, but that one doesn't contain firmware and you would have to download that separately and eithe provide it during the installation (unpack firmware.tar.gz to the second partition on the stick) or install it later. This assumes that you do, in fact, require firmware though. (well, duh!)
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18:25<babilen>tim: Well, I don't use a DE at all, but a window manager called awesomewm. If I had to choose a DE I would probably pick either Gnome3 or XFCE, but they are too "full-on" for my taste.
18:25<tim>babilen: when I installed debian the first time, I was stuck on IRC the whole night trying to get it to work
18:25<tim>the wireless, that is
18:26<babilen>Which card do you have?
18:26<babilen>(lspci -nn|grep -i network)
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18:26<tim>babilen: Ralink Corp RT3090
18:27<tim>babilen: Ralink Corp RT3090
18:27<babilen>btw, the installer will still ask you for firmware (even if you use the firmware image, just continue)
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18:27<babilen>yeah, you need firmware for that one
18:27<babilen>dpkg: rt3090
18:27<dpkg>Ralink 802.11n PCI chipsets (RT2760, RT2790, RT2860, RT2880, RT2890, RT3060, RT3062, RT3090, RT3091, RT3092, RT3390, RT3562, RT3592, RT5390) are supported by the rt2x00 project's rt2800pci driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.33. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>.
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18:29<tim>babilen: I have it somewhere, still
18:29<tim>I've written the image, rebooting the machine now
18:29<babilen>have fun!
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18:31<tim>You mentioned advanced options earlier. I can see it in the first menu that comes up. I install xfce after the main installer, right?
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18:33<babilen>you select XFCE in the boot menu and then install the "Desktop" task later.
18:34<tim>alright, thanks
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18:43<c_>aqui estoy
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18:43<retrospectacus>c_: English only.
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18:43<Vikinger>babilen i have mdm already installed
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18:43<Vikinger>its just not loading on startup
18:43<noxski>There ygoes the internet
18:44<noxski>Wrong channel, sorry
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18:51<babilen>Vikinger: mdm?
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18:53<retrospectacus>that's the Mate DM - go to the mate channel like we mentioned Vikinger
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18:57<Azrael_->just installed phppgadmin and now i can't login, is there a admin user i could use or how could i add one?
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18:58<abrotman>dpkg: tell Azrael_- about multiple ask
19:00<klinton>I am trying to install alsa sound drivers onto my system and have googled for a how to but all I can find are out dated ones that don't help. can anyone give me the directions to getting this going? I am running debian wheezy 7.1 with KDE 4.9
19:00<retrospectacus>klinton: why? what is the actual problem you have?
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19:02<babilen>klinton: You shouldn't have to install *any* drivers manually. You might have to install a newer kernel, but installing separate drivers is very rarely needed.
19:02<retrospectacus>klinton: (alsa and pulseaudio are already on your system and should work fine)
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19:03<klinton>the system sounds are all messed up and I was thinking that it's because of the current sound drivers. I discoverd alsa was supposed to be good. also I can't configure my system sounds because I can not seem to locate anything in settings. and how would I install a new kernal?
19:03<babilen>"messed up" how?
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19:04<babilen>pulseaudio sits on top of ALSA, so you are already using it. just let us know what the problem is exactly and we (well, not I, I'm off soon) can take it from there
19:04<klinton>e.g. when I boot into kde after log in the welcome sound gets all static like and garbled
19:05<klinton>other audio works fine though such as watching video files and listening to music
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19:06<klinton>so yeah. my system sounds are all jacked
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19:10<babilen>klinton: Sounds as if you should convince KDE to use the correct sound device/settings. I have absolutely no idea about KDE and it adds and entire additional layer on top of what I'm familiar with (phonon) so you might want to wait for someone else. /me is off, but I wish you all the best.
19:10<klinton>babilen: thanks. :)
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19:11<klinton>can anyone else help with my problem?
19:12<retrospectacus>klinton: try the Debian+KDE channel #debian-kde or other KDE-related IRC channels:
19:12<klinton>retrospectacus: thanks. will do
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19:13<Argure>I'm having some trouble getting sshfp working correctly between debian as an ssh client and debian as an ssh server
19:14<Argure>server: root@geonosis:~/.ssh# awk '{print $2}' /etc/ssh/ | openssl base64 -d -A | openssl sha256
19:14<Argure>(stdin)= f84e7514a290b361beff163aead8825903585b8119af48939849d196d2476fea
19:14<Argure>dig on client returns 3600 IN SSHFP 3 2 F84E7514A290B361BEFF163AEAD8825903585B8119AF48939849D196 D2476FEA
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19:14<Argure>however, ssh -v for some reason throws: debug1: Server host key: ECDSA 8c:bb:2d:b1:d7:77:80:3e:45:02:ba:76:88:8d:74:24
19:16<Argure>it looks like the ssh client is getting a sha-1 response from the server even though the sshfp record says it's a sha-256 hash
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19:19<kardan>is there a way to install someOS.iso to one partition instead of the whole usb drive?
19:20<retrospectacus>Argure: try the openssh channel: #openssh on
19:20<Argure>I'll try there as well, thx.
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19:21<retrospectacus>kardan: yes; in the same way. But it probably wouldn't boot there
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19:22<kardan>currently grub is installed to the MBR and I would love to just point it to the partition
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19:24<retrospectacus>to boot the ISO? normally you'd just write the ISO to the device and choose it in the BIOS - no need for grub at all
19:24<kardan>I don't want to donate the whole 1TB to tails and only have this one drive.
19:27<retrospectacus>try this
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19:29<kardan>awesome. thanks for looking that up, retrospectacus!
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19:38<vlt>kardan: You should also be able to just add further partitions AFTER writing the iso to the stick.
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19:44<kardan>vlt: my disk is partitioned like this already and I hoped to get away without major changes. so far I picked the 3rd partition.
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19:55<patwotrik>ati or nvidia?
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19:55<agaida>intel :P
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19:57<hikaru_>whoa. who can field a querie, it can save my life/?
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20:03<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell hichki about ask
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20:04<retrospectacus>hichki: the robot sent you a helpful message
20:04<LtL>hichki: noone can answer a question never asked.
20:05<hichki>ah i see
20:05<hichki>just have to blast it out there whether or not anyone is listening
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20:06<hichki>i dont know how to install ___ (anything)? for instance, downloaded an email cliient and all i have is a folder full of files i dont know what to do with
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20:07<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell hichki about overview
20:08<themill>hichki: what mail client is it you were trying to install?
20:08<themill>hichki: "aptitude install icedove"
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20:08<retrospectacus>hichki: in Debian, you install software from "repositories" using a "package manager" - forget the "windows way" of searching google for programs and downloading installers
20:09<hichki>im semi-familiar with that. <sudo apt- get install ____>
20:09<hichki>but how does one know what to type in?
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20:09<themill>.o0( I could have sworn I just answered that question )
20:10<hichki>and when that fails and one has to turn to the internet, what must be done once the file is unpacked. this is what im asking
20:10<hichki>im just responding to retrospectatsaurs
20:10<hichki>youre all very helpful
20:11<retrospectacus>hichki: if you turn to the Internet and start downloading and unpacking things, you're polluting your system
20:11<hichki>oh O_O
20:11<retrospectacus>*always* use the package manager
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20:11<retrospectacus>hichki: debian does not have Thunderbird due to licencing issues; install icedove for the re-packaged equivalent
20:12<hichki>i see
20:12<retrospectacus>it is the identical software with a different name and icon
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20:13<hichki>so is it the case that when one want so download a software, the name of the software is exactly what must be typed after "install"?
20:13<hichki>and if not, how does one figure out what must be typed?
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20:13<retrospectacus>the name of the *package* goes after "apt-get install"
20:14<retrospectacus>you can search for packages by "apt-cache search mail client" for example
20:14<hichki>and i imagine there is a comprehensive package-name-list accesible somewhere or how?
20:14<hichki> i c
20:14<retrospectacus>you can also use "aptitude" which is an interactive package manager, to browse packages
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20:15<hichki>perfect. wow.
20:15<hichki>this is very informative!
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20:15<hichki>thanks a lot
20:16<hichki>themill: thankstoo
20:16<retrospectacus>hichki: please read the wiki link the robot sent you and talk to him about other things
20:17<themill>dpkg: tell hichki about debian-handbook
20:17<aflag>hello. I have a terrible decision to make every day. If I load my system with kernel 3.10.0 from debian backports, then my wireless works flawlessly, but my system crashes every now and then. However, if I use the kernel from this repository, then my wireless works terrible, but my system is stable. If I run the kernel from wheezy then my wireless sucks and the system crashes (it used to be like that, I'm not s
20:17<hichki>yes. greetings and gratitude
20:18<retrospectacus>aflag: what's your wireless?
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20:20<aflag>retrospectacus: it's intel and I need to use iwlwifi. I'm not sure about specifics, though
20:20<aflag>my computer is a lenovo x230
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20:22<retrospectacus>you have firmware-iwlwifi from sid I suppose?
20:22<aflag>I think the crashes are due to the video card, not the wireless. The issue with wireless is just that older kernels were not handling it well yet
20:22<aflag>I use it from backports too
20:24<aflag>I've tried using firmware-iwlwifi from backports in a wheezy kernel, but it didn't work either
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20:26<retrospectacus>I see. What's the video card/driver/issue?
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20:27<A|an>I'm having trouble setting a swap partition using the manual do you set a swap partition??
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20:27<retrospectacus>A|an: show us what you tried and what happened:
20:27<nyov>aflag: looks like you'd want to get the kernel source debs from backports then and apply the patches from (if I'm seeing this right, and they try to fix some video issues there)
20:28*themill would imaging the x and kernel maintainers would be interested in knowing the result
20:28<A|an>'ll take a's another machine...(I knew I should've made notes)
20:29<retrospectacus>A|an: yeah we can't really help much at all if you're not actually sitting at the machine
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20:29<nyov>aflag: or whatever patches are in this kernel, just guessing these are the patchfiles for it
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20:30<aflag>retrospectacus: I'm not sure, I think it's something to do with DRM -- which means Direct Rendering Management, to my surprise.
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20:31<aflag>nyov: that's what I'm looking into doing. I came here hoping to find jcristau himself or someone with equal knowledge
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20:32<A|an>well, it's another hard'd have to see my setup to appreciate it...I have the hard drive I'm using right now setting on it's edge in a router out slot in a cut-down 2x4, with the power and data cable snaked out of my machine (it's my backup mini-itx machine)...I'll be back
20:32<A|an>correction: routered out
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20:33<retrospectacus>can't go wrong with a PC case involving 2x4
20:33<aflag>unfortunately there's a ton of i915 patches on jcristau's kernel
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20:35<themill>aflag: #debian-x btw
20:35<nyov>aflag: sorry, I can't currently help out with a walkthrough. am trying to fix my own issues
20:37<aflag>that's ok
20:37<aflag>what's debian-x?
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20:38*Xerwer slaps chealer around a bit with a large trout
20:39<retrospectacus>aflag: channel for Debian X issues
20:39<retrospectacus>Xerwer: be nice
20:40<Xerwer>How can I privately chat with Chealer?
20:40<aflag>oh I see
20:40<Xerwer>... Do you know ?
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20:40<retrospectacus>Xerwer: type /msg chealer may I have a word please?
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20:40<Xerwer>Thanks bro. I'm a real noob.
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20:43<Xerwer>Which VSC do you guys prefer?
20:44<retrospectacus>Xerwer: please go to #debian-offtopic or #moocows for non Debian support questions
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20:45<Xerwer>Ok thanks :)
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20:56<powerbook>alguien que me ayude
20:56<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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21:12<nyov>oh I LOVE overlay files. sparse files + loop dev + device mapper snapshots = pure awesome
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21:13<nyov>never used snapshots in the context of data recovery before, but replaying a journal or testing a raid reshape here into throw-away files is great
21:14<nyov>if the fix doesn't work out, rinse repeat
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21:39<chartreuse>Would anyone happen to know how to get custom modelines working with the nvidia driver? After a bunch of searching online and some trial and error, I've managed to get my custom modeline to work correctly using twinview at the gdm3 login screen. But after logging in the resolution resets to one of the ones listed in nvidia-settings.
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21:48<chartreuse>I'm guessing the issue is related to some script somewhere changing the screen resolution with xrandr
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21:59<chartreuse>Hmm reading that there are some issues with xrandr and nvidia
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22:06<sheap>any of you on the web team?
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22:15<abrotman>sheap: and if we were?
22:16<sheap>abrotman I'm working on getting together a new "help debian" page and I've been trying to get opinions on people in that group
22:16<sheap>but no one has responded
22:17<abrotman>did you try #debian-www ?
22:17*abrotman doesn't see what's wrong with the 'help debian' page
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22:18<sheap>abrotman the previous DPL brought up that there's a bunch of places where relevant info for helping debian is, and I was trying to combine everything (like fedora's)
22:18<sheap>but I guess I'll try that channel instead
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22:41<chealer>sheap: don't be shy to write on mailing lists. (I read your message but haven't had the time to reply so far)
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22:44<sheap>chealer that is the second time I've sent to the mailing list
22:44<sheap>and the third time to the people who submitted the ticket
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22:54<chealer>sheap: FWIW, I only see 2 submissions to the ticket. but yes, sizeable tasks like this take some time to be fixed, in particular when collaboration is needed
22:54<chealer>sheap: I was thinking about wider mailing lists too (debian-project). you could be asking #debian-devel too
22:56<sheap>chealer by that I meant individual emails to mr. morray and the people on that list but yea I suppose
22:57<sheap>I just thought since this was a www issue that I would go to them
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23:00<chealer>sheap: yes, it's a good idea to write there, but it doesn't prevent writing to other channels too (in particular when the discussion is already started there)
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23:00<abrotman>yeah, just harass everyone ...
23:01<abrotman>sheap: if you've sent it to the mailng list and asked the IRC channel, let it sit for a day or so. People have real lives, they may be busy
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23:03<sheap>abrotman alrighty then
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23:23<Taerom>quick Q -- is there a way with apt-get, apt-cache, etc. to list your installed packages and what licenses they have?
23:23<Taerom>I'd like to audit my system for non-free libraries and the like
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23:43<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Taerom about non-free list
23:44<Taerom>whoops I had +g on
23:44<Taerom>dpkg: tell Taerom about non-free list
23:44<Taerom>awesome thanks retrospectacus
23:45<Taerom>wow pretty clean
23:45<Taerom>basically just a bunch of firmware, unfortunately
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23:47<Taerom>when I finally get around to building my new PC, I will get only faif-friendly hardware, if at all possible
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