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01:02<gry>Francisco: hi.
01:02<Francisco>hi gry
01:02<gry>Francisco: what's up?
01:03<Francisco>seeing some CTCPs replies
01:03<gry>Francisco: you sent me a clientinfo CTCP thingie and I think my client replied to that.
01:03<Francisco>gry, I sent it to the whole channel
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01:04<gry>Francisco: ah. #test might be slightly more useful unless you're chasing debian-specific stats. (those may be available online somewhere as an opt-in)
01:04<Francisco>I was looking for a channel with a lot of people in
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01:07<themill>Francisco: don't do that...
01:07<Francisco>it was just once, don't worry
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01:22<austin_>I apologize if this is the wrong place for this question, but would anyone know the easiest way to go about installing (aside from recompiling pam)
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01:25<austin_>thanks for your help too, much appreciated
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02:39<digitsm>hello again :D
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02:40<digitsm>I have problem with xrandr. Can someone help? It issues "Can't open display"
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02:41<badbyte>hi people, I have installed debian and wanted to set up and configure a samba server. at first i had no problem at all with my clients, reading writing etc all went good. Now all of the sudden many clients cannot connect to the server. It simply times out. The clients that I have here are mac clients with Mac OSX 10.8.2 have the problem only clients with the Mac OS X 10.6.8 connect with no probelms at all. This is my config of the server:
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02:42<devil_>austin_: libpam-modules has that
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02:43<themill>digitsm: where are you running this? what user are you running this as?
02:44<digitsm>themill: I am running 'xrandr' over ssh. As root or not -> No diff
02:44<themill>digitsm: what screen are you hoping to find information about?
02:45<digitsm>driver nvidia-legacy-173xx, using debian testing
02:45<themill>the display attached to the ssh server? or the display attached to the ssh client?
02:45<digitsm>themill: the defualt screen. There is not monitor connected to that PC yet.
02:46<digitsm>No display is attached to the server
02:46<themill>is X running on the server?
02:46<digitsm>I want to change resolution by xrandr to a proper resolution, them attach to that X display using x11vnc
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02:47<digitsm>themill: How can I know X is running?
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02:48<digitsm>using 'top' Xorg was running
02:48<themill>If this box is headless, why do you want to use x11vnc rather than a vncserver?
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02:50<digitsm>themill: I read in a blog that x11vnc is faster. Plus it feels better if I can control the main (physical) X window. maybe I want to attach a monitor later (some day)
02:50<themill>I'd be surprised if x11vnc were faster. That's certainly not my experience.
02:51<digitsm>themill: So do you suggest me to use tightvncserver?
02:51<themill>or any of the other ones -- that one works just fine
02:52<digitsm>themill: I also use lightdm. It supports vnc by itself. It didn't work before, but now suddenly it worked
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02:55<hoss_123>Need help, installed LMDB several times and everytime the update errors out.
02:56<devil_>hoss_123: that would be a case for mint support
02:56<hoss_123>is there a channel for that?
02:57<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at or join #linuxmint-help on for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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03:02<devil_>no clue of Mac OS at all
03:03<digitsm>themill: Lightdm uses Xvnc in itself. Eveything is fine, except that I can not type char 'd' !!!
03:04<digitsm>it confuses it with 'Super+d' which is my shortcut for showing dekstop
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03:06<digitsm>themill: I am using Gnome's default VNC viewer, vinagre
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03:06<digitsm>I guess key 'Super' is always pushed down! in VNC_server's point of view
03:09<badbyte>hi people, I have installed debian and wanted to set up and configure a samba server. at first i had no problem at all with my clients, reading writing etc all went good. Now all of the sudden many clients cannot connect to the server. It simply times out. The clients that I have here are mac clients with Mac OSX 10.8.2 have the problem only clients with the Mac OS X 10.6.8 connect with no probelms at all. This is my config of the server:
03:10<badbyte>please, need help here
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03:10<digitsm>I changed my shortcut instead.
03:11<ompaul>badbyte: logging onto that server what does your dmesg or log files say to you?
03:11<ompaul>badbyte: and things that "just fail" just fail "because" so look for the because not the "suddenly" something changed on the network
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03:15<digitsm>themill: Sorry for questioning again. The lightdm's default vnc feature is useful for me when I want to relogin again. i.e. every time I connect it send me to lightdm's loggin page. Is tightvncserver like it too?
03:16<digitsm>I want to be able to come back to where I left
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03:16<digitsm>And does lightvncserver needs logging in before connection. bcuz my PC is headless now
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03:22<valdyn>digitsm: when you run xvncserver the X xsession starts, when you disconnect the vnc client then the X session does not stop
03:23<digitsm>valdyn: Are you talking about tighvncserver?
03:23<valdyn>digitsm: these packages all provide xvncserver
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03:24<digitsm>valdyn: What packages? all vnc servers?
03:24<srk>how to password protect a file?
03:25<srk>guys i want to encrypt a file with password, any tool available there?
03:25<ompaul>srk: zip -o -e original is one way gpg can be used for better encryption
03:25<valdyn>digitsm: tightvncserver, xvnc4server
03:26<srk>ompaul : are there GUI tools availble
03:26<ompaul>srk: I suppose so ark is one but I don't bother with them
03:27<valdyn>digitsm: those start their own x xsession when you run the server
03:27<digitsm>valdyn: Thanks you. My only question is that can I run tightvncserver even before logging in?
03:27<valdyn>digitsm: stopping the server stops the X session, loggin out does not
03:28<srk>ompaul : so i will type in terminal "zip -o -e fileName"
03:28<srk>am i right?
03:28<digitsm>srk: most archive management apps have GUI tools for zippings with password
03:28<valdyn>digitsm: anything can be run before logging in manually
03:28<ompaul>srk: where fileName is a variable yes
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03:30<srk>digitsm : im not finding that in archive manager
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03:30<digitsm>valdyn: So you mean I have to ssh to machine, start a tightvncserver or make tightvncserver start automatically before login?
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03:31<valdyn>digitsm: no i mean that anything can be started automatically before you log in
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03:33<srk>ompaul : bash command not found
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03:33<ompaul>srk: perhaps you need to install it?
03:33<srk>install zip ?
03:33<digitsm>srk: yes
03:34<digitsm>srk: You can make an archive in Ark, then choose .zip as postfix and ->other options->password
03:34<digitsm>however zip must be installed first
03:34<srk>ok going for zip
03:37<srk>digitsm: zip error: missing or enmpty zip file(
03:38<digitsm>srk: So you installed 'zip'?
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03:40<ompaul>srk: swap -e and -o
03:40<srk>i m not getting u
03:40<digitsm>ompaul: it worked for me.
03:40<digitsm>no matter of position of -e or -o
03:40<srk>do i have to enter swap in termianl to swap?
03:41<ompaul>srk: so you typed it wrong
03:41<ompaul>digitsm: I didn't think it mattered
03:41<digitsm>srk: You typed it wrong.
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03:41<ompaul>srk: case SensitiVe it is
03:41<digitsm>zip -o -e inputfile.sth
03:41<diego>hello, I have a blu-ray external burner and I don't know how to mount it
03:41<diego>any help ?
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03:42<digitsm>diego: If you want to burn with it you can use k3b (for KDE, but works well in gnome, etc.)
03:43<diego>no, I don't know how to mount it
03:43<diego>I don't want to write
03:43<diego>I want to watch a movie
03:43<digitsm>diego: For reading, you need to mount. Usually you have to be able to mount it in your default file explorer by clicking on its icon
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03:43<diego>Bus 001 Device 003: ID 08e4:017a Pioneer Corp.
03:43<diego>I have xfce
03:44<digitsm>diego: I have xfce too
03:44<digitsm>Is it recognized?
03:44<diego>debian testing, i just want to manually mount it ... I see it with lsusb only
03:44<diego>Bus 001 Device 003: ID 08e4:017a Pioneer Corp.
03:44<diego>its a pioneer
03:44<diego>I dont see anything in the filesystem
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03:45<diego>ohh, got it
03:46<diego>it created /dev/cdrw3
03:46<digitsm>diego: :)
03:46<digitsm>Yeah. exactly
03:46<diego>how was I supposed to know lol
03:46<diego>why 3
03:46<digitsm>The devices are in /dev. Always take a look at that
03:47<digitsm>there is a widget for XFCE which can mount devices
03:47<digitsm>when you click on that, it shows you current (mounted and unmounted) devices
03:47<digitsm>I am searching for its name!
03:48<digitsm>valdyn: I started tightvncserver
03:48<diego>Missing AACS configuration file! ... ohh, well, I guess I will find that in google
03:48<diego>I'm missing the decoder
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03:49<digitsm>And then it logged in to the gnome. I want to be logged in to xfce
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03:53<badbyte>ompaul: i reviewed my network and nothing really changed here. dmesg doesn't tell me anything and the log files of the client that has the problem is empty
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03:57<digitsm>valdyn: Very weird. It get logged to gnome 2. And when I press logout it hangs!
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04:02<ompaul>badbyte: and the server launch a client on that
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04:05<valdyn>digitsm: you are logging out of gnome, which will terminate the x session and the vnc server?
04:05<digitsm>valdyn: I had to add a line to ~/.vnc/xstartup
04:06<digitsm>valdyn: Yeah. I tried that. not logged out though
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04:12<badbyte>onpaul: the clients are macs, 1 of them is a MAC OS X 10.6.8 which works fine
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04:15<badbyte>onpaul: the clients are macs, 1 the clients is a MAC OS X 10.6.8 which works fine. I also did a smbclient on the localhost with the credidentials that I created with smbpasswd, and it went well
04:15<badbyte>ompaul: the clients are macs, 1 the clients is a MAC OS X 10.6.8 which works fine. I also did a smbclient on the localhost with the credidentials that I created with smbpasswd, and it went well
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04:19<digitsm>valdyn: I fixed it. ~/.vnc/xstartup should exactly be like what's written in
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04:22<digitsm>valdyn: tightvncserver and its speed is very good. But I still prefer connecting to the physical display. I may connect a monitor to my PC later
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04:56<digitsm_>I read that the dispaly driver (nvidia for example) detects possible resolutions based on the monitor, and when it can't find a monitor attached it reduced the resolution to the minimum possible (640x480)
04:56<digitsm_>It's why I can't get resolution more than 640x480 from x11vnc
04:57<digitsm_>It was written here that it's possible to disable monitor resultion detection using xserver-xorg-video-dummy driver:
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04:58<digitsm_>However I don't think changing the driver could be a suitable solution
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04:59<badbyte>ompaul: yes the sever launched a client on localhost
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05:02<valdyn>digitsm: x11vnc cannot change resolution at all
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05:04<digitsm>valdyn: yeah it can't
05:05<digitsm>The driver should allow resolution more than 640x480
05:05<valdyn>digitsm: using a dummy driver means you *really* are headless, then you might aswell use xvncserver
05:05<valdyn>digitsm: which has no resolution dependence on any graphic driver
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05:06<digitsm>valdyn: I guess so. I mean I think that dummy driver could not handle any real monitor. So not useful
05:06<valdyn>digitsm: thats correct
05:07<digitsm>valdyn: I think I have to solution for forcing nvidia to allow more resolution when I am headless
05:07<digitsm>So I have to keep with tightvncserver
05:07<valdyn>digitsm: you can however do what he does with any real graphics driver
05:08<valdyn>digitsm: meaning you can set HorizSync and VertRefresh in case its not at all or not properly detected
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05:08<valdyn>digitsm: yes, I think so. But i dont see that as being a problem.
05:09<valdyn>digitsm: x11vnc is for accessing a real display remotely via vnc. There's no point in doing this when you dont even have or dont even need physical access
05:10<digitsm>valdyn: Hmmm. Yeah. The only problem is that I can not shut down PC in XFCE using tightvnc
05:10<digitsm>it is disabled.
05:11<digitsm>I can use ssh for that purpose, but I brother (a Win user) can't. He can only work with gui
05:11<digitsm>(at best)!
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05:12<david>is there anybody out there
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05:17<valdyn>digitsm: so all you need to do is enable that feature for remote users
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05:18<digitsm>valdyn: Yeah. Do you know how?
05:19<valdyn>digitsm: no
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05:33<digitsm>valdyn: Very good. I configured tightvncserver to be run (as a service) using instructions here:
05:34<digitsm>Now my brother can use VNC to login to XFCE and use the shared DVD writer
05:35<digitsm>I also have to learn him to turn PC off using "sudo poweroff"
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05:37<notowindows>When the debian installer tries to configure a IPv6 network automatically in order to proceed with network installation, does it send my real MAC address as part of the IPv6 address or does it randomize the MAC first as part of standard protocol?
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05:41<txt_file>hey folks … I have a problem installing ttrss in debian wheezy. I downloaded the deb from jessie and installed it. But when opening the website in iceweasel all I get is
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05:46<l0x>txt_file: did you configure the database in the first place? I found it easier to install tt-rss without the deb file using the install guide on their website.
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05:48<txt_file>l0x: I used the preconfigure-script
05:48<SynrG>also mixing t testing and stable is not supported
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05:49<txt_file>SynrG: then add more packages to backports, please.
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05:50<SynrG>notowindows: randomized? what standard protocol is that?
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05:50<SynrG>txt_file: you say that like it is trivial to do.
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05:51<txt_file>SynrG: I know that debian needs much more maintainers :-(
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05:53<SynrG>txt_file: not everything in testing can or should be backported
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05:54<notowindows>SynrG: sending a made up MAC address instead of the one firewired in the network card, I think they usually call it privacy extensions or something like that
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06:01<heckman>notowindows: I'd imagine that it does not use privacy extensions. Which I prefer.
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06:01<apoc_>good morning
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06:03<notowindows>heckman: that should be taken care of, since it is a security flaw, given that someone who does not want his MAC address exposed to the internet might have it so inadvertedly
06:03<heckman>It's not a security flaw, get off your high horse.
06:06<notowindows>heckman: I am not going to discuss anything like this with you if you are so dense as to not be able to understand it. Expose your MAC and use a static prefix address if you wish, while you use the same address for everything you do online, so that all your behaviour, sites you visit, comments you do, messages you sent,etc. can be bubbled together and conveniently ID'ed for years to come
06:07<apoc_>does someone have an idea, why my xscreensaver is "too slow" after hibernation? When I wake up my laptop it displays my open session for little less than a second, then pops on the xscreensaver.. (XFCE 4.8, Debian 7.2.0)
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06:08<heckman>So just as I expected, not security concern someone just doesn't have their tinfoil hat on snug enough. If it bothers you enough don't use IPv6 during configuration, and use privacy extensions using sysctl magic later on. That being said, I highly doubt anyone cares that you installed Debian 7 *with* the OpenSSH server.
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06:08<heckman>I'm not dense, I'm just not so paranoid my world stops spinning when my MAC address ends up somewhere.
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06:10<notowindows>heckman: do what you want, seriously. I just don't need that someone fires sarcasm at me whenever I make a comment that he considers paranoid, which, by the way, is not an argument, but just a shortcut when someone can't rebut something
06:10<heckman>You can't rebut crazy, dude.
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06:11<heckman>Going further with an actual technically-aligned response. I disagree with privacy extension being the default, as some things assume that the SLAAC-assigned address will be related to the MAC address. Not saying this is absolutely true in every case, just something to be wary of.
06:11<heckman>I've hit that shit with Ubuntu flipping on P.E. by default.
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06:12<notowindows>heckman: given that you obviously know more than me about IPv6 (and I am being literal here, not sarcastic), could you explain me which is which: the /64 portion and the /56 portion... which is the one that is assigned by my router locally and which is the network prefix the ISP assigns?
06:13<notowindows>I mean, what does this mean?
06:13<notowindows>A dynamic /64 IPv6 prefix for your PPP session.
06:13<notowindows>A static /56 IPv6 prefix for your LAN (if you are using a router with Prefix Delegation).
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06:13<heckman>Would seem like they are routing a /56 block to the address you get out of the /64.
06:14<notowindows>I am not sure I understand that :S
06:14<heckman>So when connecting to your ISP (using PPP) it sound like they may give you a single address out of a /64 block of addresses
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06:15<heckman>So on their end then, they route all traffic destined to your /56 range => that single /64 address for your PPP session.
06:15<heckman>So your router would get the traffic directly, and decide where to send it.
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06:15<notowindows>heckman: so they would give you a dynamic IP address - similar to what happens with IPv4 when your ISP gives you a dynamic differnt IP everytime you reboot your router - ?
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06:16<heckman>It sounds like the IPv6 address your router (home) is assigned may change, but they will intelligently update the routes to the new address.
06:16<heckman>the /56 routes
06:16<heckman>That's a confusing way they are doing it, for sure.
06:17<notowindows>aha, the /56 routes are the ones that my computer creates at home from my MAC address?
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06:17<heckman>Your home router should be configured to assign addresses from that /56
06:17<notowindows>the way they do it, even though confusing, might not be so bad
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06:18<heckman>No, if it works that would be great.
06:18<notowindows>because it enables people who want to have the equivalent of IPv4 dynamic addresses to do so, if they are paranoid like me, heeh
06:18<heckman>You'd think it would be easier if your /64 prefix stayed the same. They wouldn't need to update routes then.
06:18<notowindows>and it also allows people who wants to have a static address to have something like that
06:18<heckman>notowindows: well, you can technically use privacy extension with a /64.
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06:19<heckman>My ISP (Comcast) hands out a single /64 to customers with a dyanmic prefix (ugh, your ISP wins points there) and then you just assign addresses from that /64.
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06:19<heckman>Holy shit, and they allow reverse delegation?
06:19<heckman>Damn man, it sucks that it's ADSL...but they seem like they are super intelligent when it comes to IPv6.
06:19<heckman>Cheers to them!
06:20<notowindows>heckman: yes, I know , but that - using priv exts with a static /64 - would be similar to having a static ipV4 address: you don't give away your MAC, but you might want to change your IP every now and then in order to allow "bubbling"
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06:20<heckman>notowindows: I feel like privacy extension changes the address periodocially. I could be thinking of something else,'s a bit late here.
06:21*heckman kind of wants to move to the land of Oz to use Internode.
06:21<notowindows>heckman: privacy extensions changes your /56 address I believe, by generating a random MAC every now and then (you could do something similar by using a script that did ifconfig hw ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx), but I doubt privacy extensions can change the /64 portion if you had an ISP that forced you to use static IP
06:22<notowindows>(and excuse me to be so techy if it is so late over there :))
06:22<apoc_>I like that this conversation actually makes sense, and its not just an argument.. good thing I came here!
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06:23<heckman>I'm not sure if privacy extension will change your prefix automagically. Not something I've personally ever pursued.
06:24<notowindows>heckman: I am confused with something, EUI-64 is actually the address generated locally from the MAC or is it the network prefix your ISP gives you?
06:25<heckman>That's your MAC address
06:26<notowindows>heckman: so why do they refer to your home address as /56 if it is 64 bits?
06:26<notowindows>I will probably have to do some studying ; I am somewhat confused about the basics
06:27<heckman> /56 is just the CIDR notation for the number of IPv6 addresses
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06:29<heckman>So a /56 is 4,722,366,482,869,645,213,696 IPv6 addresses (give or take)
06:29<heckman>And there are 256 /64s in a /56.
06:30<heckman>So you could potentially have 256 semi-unique prefixes.
06:30<notowindows>heckman: A IPv6 address has got 128 bits, 64 of those bits are assigned to you by your ISP - being either static or dynamically changing everytime you reboot your router - then you can use 56 more bits in order to create billions of different combinations at home, what about the other 8 bits?
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06:30<heckman>I'm not sure what you mean. The /64 block is unique, and you never ever use it.
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06:30<SynrG>since the topic has veered from talking about what the debian installer supports to networking fundamentals, doesn't it go to ##networking @ freenode?
06:31<heckman>You get something out of a different prefix for the /56.
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06:31<heckman>SynrG: yeah, but freenode sucks. :p
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06:31<SynrG>still, i would ask that we stick to debian support, please :)
06:31<heckman>Then I will end this conversation, although it does appear that we aren't interrupting anyone else at this hour.
06:32<heckman>excuse me, does not appear
06:32<heckman> know it's late and I suck at sentences
06:32<SynrG>yes we are.
06:32<SynrG>apoc_ had a question and it got totally buried
06:32<notowindows>heckman: I am completely lost now :) To sum up: from the information I pasted you from the aforementioned ISP, would you say that it is possible that network prefixes rotate between clients or will they give the same set of network prefixes to the same client everytime?
06:33<heckman>notowindows: to end this conversation without disrupting the flow of this channel, it sounds like the /56 (which is what your computers will be using) is a static prefix and won't change. The public facing IPv6 address of your router may change.
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06:34<heckman>apoc_: sorry for mudsliding your question
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06:35<apoc_>thank you for mentioning SynrG. My situation: Debian 7.2.0; XFCE 4.8. When I hibernate and boot right away, I have no Screenlock at all, when I hibernate for a while, xscreensaver appears a little less than a second after the session opens up again.. np heckman
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06:36<SynrG>apoc_: by 'Screenlock' you mean xscreensaver, right?
06:36<SynrG>and do you have autologin?
06:36<apoc_>no, at least not that I would know of
06:36<apoc_>I mean I have to enter my password, to get past the xscreensaver
06:38<SynrG>ok. just wondering why you mentioned that when you boot you have no screensaver. do you mean when you boot to resume a hibernate?
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06:39<apoc_>yes. When I hibernate my system, and resume right as it turned off, I get no xscreensaver at all.
06:39<SynrG>and yes, i've noticed that there is lag between when i resume from suspend and when screensaver appears when i'm using lightdm + lxde. that's annoying because you could type characters on the open session before the screensaver appears :p
06:39<SynrG>i don't know why that happens, but it's mildly annoying
06:40<apoc_>when I hibernate for a little longer ~10mins. or something like that.. I get the xscreensaver, but I mostly get a good glimpse at my session
06:40<SynrG>in my case, though, i'm using suspend (to ram) not hibernate (to disk)
06:40<SynrG>so the behaviour is apparently not hibernate-specific
06:40<apoc_>huh.. I tried to start the xflock4, the xfce lock before going to hibernate/suspend, but that doesn't seem to help either
06:41<SynrG>bbiaf. making coffee
06:42<apoc_>people even suggested to install "hibernate", now I get a the progress when hibernating/resuming, which is nice, but the problem is still the same
06:42<apoc_>good idea! coffee sounds good
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06:45<ompaul>would it be something to do with the "timer" that gets triggered for xlock - lets say 10 minutes
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06:45<ompaul>and then when you close the lid it doesn't get to execute
06:45<ompaul>but it suddenly cops you have been in hibernate - this is pure speculation
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06:46<ompaul>so the process of going into hibernate is thus not perfect
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06:48<apoc_>I hibernate via the LogOut Menu. And I tried to fiddle with the "lock after x", which didn't seem to alter anything. I thought it would help if I'd set i to 0, meaning as my screensaver kicks in lock session.. but nope
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06:49<SynrG>in my case, i think what is happening is a signal is sent immediately when the netbook suspends ...
06:49<SynrG>the screensaver, however, does not have time to process that. and the signal is asynchronous.
06:49<ompaul>hibernate or suspend
06:49<SynrG>and then when it resumes from suspend, xscreensaver finally finishes processing it
06:49<apoc_>i never tried suspending.. give me a second, i'll try it out!
06:49<SynrG>thus, my session is shown briefly, and then it locks
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06:50<SynrG>that's my theory, anyway. i've never dug into the code to find out
06:50<apoc_>its exactly the same.. the quick resuming gives me no lock at all..
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06:52<apoc_>that was my theory as well, but it doesn't make sense to me, that this only applies to suspending/hibernating for some minimum time..
06:53<SynrG>i should also mention i'm on sid
06:53<SynrG>and also, i think this afflicts xfce4 & lxde, but maybe not gnome or kde
06:54<apoc_>I have a laptop running chrunchbang/openbox.. there I have no problem either
06:54<ompaul>bug rep[ort time I guess
06:54<SynrG>so the question is how to make the screensaver lock synchronous, i think
06:54<SynrG>yes. please file a bug.
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06:54<SynrG>does this happen in wheezy?
06:55<apoc_>i'm running wheezy 7.2.0
06:55<SynrG>let's find the right package, too. i'm guessing acpi-support but don't know for sure
06:56<ompaul> I wonder if that is useful
06:56<apoc_>I sadly have no idea at all what package it concerns
06:56<ompaul>logind.conf may have some insight
06:57<apoc_>thats somewhat too much for my current knowledge.. sry
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06:59<ompaul>it may not even exist in debian but that seems to be where they keep seconds to shhh :)
06:59<SynrG>but i know for sure acpi-support has screensaver hooks
06:59<SynrG>hence my suggestion
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07:01<ompaul>, #593303
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07:01<ompaul>SynrG: is there a bug from a bot reader?
07:01<SynrG>someone "fixed" suspend taking a long time by backgrounding the lock command :p
07:01*ompaul coughs
07:01<ompaul>working while broken
07:01<themill>,bug #593303
07:01<judd>Bug in acpi-support (open, patch): «acpi-support: suspend in half the time - background xscreensaver»; severity: normal; opened: 2010-08-17; last modified: 2013-10-19.
07:01<SynrG>the bug was reopened last month
07:02<SynrG>rightly so. it is not OK to not wait for the command to complete before suspending!
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07:08<SynrG>apoc_: you could try reverting the patch
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07:09<SynrG>mind you, if you do that, put acpi-support on hold or else if the bug is not fixed in the next upload, it will be undone
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07:18<apoc_>reverting the patch? I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to do?
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07:23<SynrG>apoc_, themill: i just updated the bug, adding my comment that someone could potentially type "killall xscreensaver" in the time it takes between resuming and the time the screensaver activates
07:24<SynrG>apoc_: use patch -R with the patch file included in the bug.
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07:24<themill>sure. these are the sorts of problems that are solved by centralising the crap into an init system
07:24<SynrG>i haven't time for step-by-step instructions. others here can help
07:24<SynrG>rushing to get myself fed and out the door
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07:27<apoc_>I'm so sorry, but I cant seem to find the patch to download..
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07:29<SynrG>,bug #700696
07:29<judd>Bug in acpi-support (open, patch): «acpi-support: race in sleep script delays screen locking to after resume»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-02-16; last modified: 2013-02-17.
07:29<SynrG>i'm not sure why we need both bugs
07:30<SynrG>*this* is the bug that reports the behviour we both observed
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07:30<SynrG>the older bug is the "make suspend/hibernate faster" bug
07:30<SynrG>i guess that's why
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07:31<SynrG>apoc_: hold off on doing anything with the patch until i get back (much later in my afternoon) then
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07:32<apoc_>I'm sorry, I seem to be extra slow today.. thats fine.. I couldn't really find the patch anyways.. will be here, thank you for the assistance!
07:33<SynrG>it's right there, linked from the first bug
07:33<SynrG>did you read to the end? the bug reopener linked to it in the second bug.
07:33<SynrG>he proposed reverting that patch
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07:34<apoc_>first time handling something like this, I'm a little overwhelmed
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08:02<petn-randall>apoc_: Don't worry, SynrG is one of the quick people here :)
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08:03<SynrG>apoc_: in any case, I would want to test things myself before making you a guinea pig.
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08:04<SynrG>but I amout on the bus without my netbook, making testing, for the moment, awkward ;-)
08:04<SynrG>am* out*
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08:10<apoc_>I've read trough the bug reports linked here, and fixes sound quite logic.. I just couldn't find out where to download which patch.. I haven't felt this new in a while :P
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08:24<SynrG>apoc_: the patches are inline, not in separate files.
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08:25<SynrG>apoc_: you can recognize them because they look like bits of code with minus indicating removed lines and plus, added lines
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08:29<apoc_>ooh! ok, so I just add/remove the lines from the given files?
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08:32<SynrG>apoc_: the 'patch' program does that for you when given the patch as input with the appropriate options
08:32<SynrG>don't worry about it. i will test later and then advise you if you are around
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08:33<SynrG>the patch is already applied so must be reversed
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08:34<sheldor>im new here
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08:35<apoc_>phew... thank you very much SynrG..!
08:35<apoc_>hi sheldor.. so am I ;)
08:36<sheldor>what is this for?
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08:37<apoc_>what do you mean by this?
08:37<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:38<sheldor>i mean that what its the point
08:39<SynrG>Debian user support
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08:40<sheldor>i understand
08:40<SynrG>that is the topic of this channel, i mean. type /join #moocows
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08:41<SynrG>for social chat
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08:41<sheldor>sorry about my english
08:41<sheldor>spaniards are dummies xD
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08:44<sheldor>are there someone here?
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08:46<awal>sheldor: this is a Debian forum. people can help you volutarily if you have a question...
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08:48<sheldor>i have a question
08:48<sheldor>its possible change my public ip?
08:49<awal>Hi room. I have a general question. I have a Dell laptop with 500 GB and i wonder if i can have 2 or 3 version in the same laptop. I mean i divide my hard disk in three parts and install Stable in 1 part, Testing in the 2d part and Sid in the 3d. is that possible and safe?
08:50<apoc_>sheldor: there are numerous ways to accomplish this, what is your current situation, and what do you need it for?
08:51<mazze>I added jessie to my sources.list on my wheezy installation (I know, it is not a good thing to do) and by installing one package from jessie, libc6 (in amd64) and libc6:i386 were also being pulled. But when libc6:amd64 was going to be unpacked, dpkg-deb complained that was not there. In the end, APT ended with an error not being able to install libc6:i386 and libc6:amd64.
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08:51<apoc_>awal: yes this is possible, you can partition your harddrive with the installer, create multiple partition, for the systems you want to install, then install every version on its own partition
08:52<SynrG>mazze: sad. what do you want us to do about it? i think you're screwed now.
08:52<mazze>Now I cannot do "ls" ( seems to be missing) or apt-cache ( missing).
08:52<mazze>SynrG I feel screwed, and I hoped for a solution without reinstalling ...
08:52<sheldor>i need to connect to a remote database by port 3306, but the only way is have my IP address the same as the server
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08:53<mazze>Or, being put another way, first I wanted to hear from you, guys, that I _am_ really screwed.
08:53<SynrG>mazze: if you know exactly which packages were installed …
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08:53<SynrG>check /var/log/dokg.log
08:53<awal>apoc_: ok thanks. i know how to do it. but having three kernel version's and maybe 2 or three versions of grub in the same laptop will not be an issue?
08:54<SynrG>from a rescue media of course
08:54<apoc_>sheldor: the same ip as the server?
08:54<mazze>cat did still work :)
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08:55<SynrG>mazze: you could perhaps manually extract contents of broken wheezy pkgs and copy files over …
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08:56<SynrG>hardhats required
08:56<mazze>SynrG I was just thinking about that. I would have to do that in an rescue environment
08:56<apoc_>awal: I doubt that the difference kernel versions will be a problem.. I also think that after the first installation the following systems would be added to the existing grub
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08:57<mazze>SynrG Do you know: Is there a file, where I could simply get a list of all installed packages, just like dpkg --get-selections?
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08:58<awal>apoc_: ok, thanks. i'll try it this night :)
08:58<sheldor>apoc_ : yes?
08:58<apoc_>sheldor: you can not have the same ip address.. do you mean you need to be in the same network?
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09:00<sheldor>apoc_: i dont know. I have the host, user, pass and database name but my PHP script doesnt work. In others hosts wors fine.
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09:04<apoc_>can you ping the remote server? this sounds like its a connectivity problem
09:05<apoc_>also, not really a debian problem
09:05<sheldor>you are rigth
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09:09<apoc_>sheldor: huh.. thats odd.. I can't really help you there
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09:28<apoc_>i'm off for now, will come back later, see you!
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09:36<mazze>I am now in a shell started from debian installer. But to get access to my installation on encrypted (dm-crypt) disk, I would need cryptsetup, but it does not seem to be included in this environment. How can I access my encrypted partitions=
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09:40<musca>!rescue mode
09:40<dpkg>Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>.
09:40<mazze>Okay, I found out how to get that part of D-I activated. Never mind, and thank you anyway ...
09:41<mazze>musca thank you for the hint. I actually did not think about that. In the end my problem is that I accidentally deinstalled libc6, and so I have to manually unpack that package into my screwed system ... :(
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09:44<musca>mazze: in ten years you will mildly smile about this incident
09:45<mazze>I would like to make that 2 hours ;)
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10:23<xload>why libglut3 and libglut3-dev are not on stable?§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search
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10:37<abrotman>xload: "freeglut" now ?
10:37<abrotman>judd: info freeglut
10:37<judd>No package named 'freeglut' was found in wheezy/i386.
10:37<abrotman>bleh .. apt-cache search freeglut .. you'll see it
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10:38<xload>abrotman, libglut3 and libglut3-dev
10:39<abrotman>xload: see the freeglut stuff now
10:39<abrotman>judd: info freeglut3
10:39<judd>Package freeglut3 (libs, optional) in wheezy/i386: OpenGL Utility Toolkit. Version: 2.6.0-4; Size: 130.8k; Installed: 311k; Homepage:
10:39<abrotman>that's what you want, right ?
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10:41<xload>no i need that package libglut3 and libglut3-dev for project
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10:41<xload>abrotman ^
10:41<abrotman>I think you're missing what I'm saying
10:41<xload>that freeglut3 replace that dep?
10:42<xload>hmm .. ok i'll try with that but the simulator does not seems to want to start :-/
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10:57<AndroUsergsh>How can install flash player
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10:57<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations.
10:58<Nexutix>go to terminal and enter: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
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10:58<bremner>leaving aside what a stupid idea it is, is there a simple way to decrypt a luks volume that persists between boots? I was thinking of adding a key file in /boot
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10:59<stderr_dk>AndroUsergsh: You just got 2 answers...
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11:01<AndroUsergsh>Can i watch youtubeel videos with gnash
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11:01<stderr_dk>AndroUsergsh: I don't think so.
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11:01<Nexutix>yes, but high resolution lags
11:01<stderr_dk>For youtube, I prefer youtube-dl and a _real_ mediaplayer.
11:02<bremner>doesn't youtube mostly support html5 video now?
11:02<bremner>or at least new videos?
11:02<stderr_dk>bremner: Not for older stuff.
11:03<stderr_dk>I think I have seen some newer stuff where they didn't have a html5 version.
11:03<stderr_dk>But youtube-dl doesn't care. It downloads the best version by default.
11:04<Nexutix>stderr_dk: but there's no live streaming for low bandwidth users, or is there?
11:04<stderr_dk>Nexutix: I don't do dcc chat. You can /msg me if it's really important and need to be private, but for most stuff, I would prefer the channel.
11:04<Nexutix>i clicked by mistake
11:05<Nexutix>idon't know what dcc is
11:05<stderr_dk>Direct Client Client.
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11:06<stderr_dk>I haven't tried streaming anything live using youtube-dl, but for non-live stuff streaming is possible, so maybe it would work for live stuff too...
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11:07<Nexutix>stderr_dk: you mean with mplayer/vlc via shell script? or a built in feature?
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11:08<stderr_dk>I used avplay, but it would probably work with mplayer or vlc too. Can they read a stream from stdin?
11:08<stderr_dk>Something like: youtube-dl -q -o - ${YOUTUBE_URL_OR_VIDEO_ID} | avplay -
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11:09<stderr_dk>Or: youtube-dl -q -o - ${YOUTUBE_URL_OR_VIDEO_ID} | tee ${AND_A_BACKUP_FOR_LATER} | avplay - :-)
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11:10<Nexutix>dont know. i used to retrieve video url for say 240p or 720p versions of video then do mplayer ${url}
11:10<legaume>stderr youtube-dl is a debian package ?
11:10<stderr_dk>judd: v youtube-dl
11:10<judd>Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2013.11.11-2; sid: 2013.11.11-2
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11:11<stderr_dk>I usually just get it from
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11:12<AndroUsergsh>First what broswer im gonna need?
11:12<stderr_dk>Or github.
11:12<AndroUsergsh>Im verry in the beginning
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11:12<stderr_dk>AndroUsergsh: For youtube-dl? None, if you already know the url.
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11:13<legaume>i dont find the package. i will go to
11:13<AndroUsergsh>I mean for browsing
11:13<stderr_dk>AndroUsergsh: Chromium and/or Iceweasel seems to be popular choices.
11:13<Nexutix>yea get either or both
11:13<diego>help! nOOB here. My system is broken, it says: "...Gave up waiting for root device...ALERT: /dev/disk/by-uuid/... does not exist. Dropping to a shell..." How do I fix it?
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11:15<stderr_dk>diego: Do you know what partition root should be on?
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11:16<diego>not sure. i have several hard disks and i installed lvm2
11:17<abrotman>what did you change?
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11:17<stderr_dk>Do you have access to lvdisplay in that shell?
11:18<diego>I updated my system like a month ago and i haven been able to fixit since then
11:19<diego>it says Busybox v1.20.2 (debian 1:1.20.0-7) built-in shell (ash)
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11:19<diego>what is lvdispay?
11:19<stderr_dk>Logical Volume Display... Shows your LVM "partitions".
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11:20<diego>I executed lvdisplay. not found
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11:20<stderr_dk>Do you have a live CD you can boot from?
11:21<diego>I made a rescue cd
11:21<diego>but when I use it I dont see a live desktop enviironment but a plain shell
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11:22<stderr_dk>Does that shell have lvdisplay?
11:23<diego>which one: Busybox? I says not found when summoning that command
11:23<AndroUsergsh>The flashplugin-nonfree isnt avaiable and seems that gnash doesnt
11:23<stderr_dk>diego: Your rescue CD. You said it had a shell.
11:23<diego>I'll try the rescue disc now
11:23<petn-randall>AndroUsergsh: Which Debian do you have?
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11:24<stderr_dk>Isn't that a bit... old?
11:24<petn-randall>AndroUsergsh: 5?? That's stone-old, and not supported anymore.
11:25<stderr_dk>Time for an upgrade... Or two...
11:25<AndroUsergsh>But my pc is very old toi
11:25<petn-randall>AndroUsergsh: The hardware requirements hardly go up with Debian, but the security support gets dropped at some point.
11:26<AndroUsergsh>I wanna install it onmy friend s pc
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11:26<petn-randall>AndroUsergsh: Well, which version is he running?
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11:27<AndroUsergsh>He have xp
11:27<AndroUsergsh>But its very slow
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11:28<diego>I've tried it now and lvdisplay... not found
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11:29<stderr_dk>diego: Not a very good rescue CD. :-( Can you do a fdisk -l /dev/sd? and put the output on ?
11:29<diego>stderr_dk: it has no lvdisplay command
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11:30<stderr_dk>diego: But does it have fdisk?
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11:33<diego>sorry... it has lvdisplay but i need to do sudo first
11:33<diego>nOOB here... i said
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11:34<diego>/dev/Rubidio/root used to be root partition
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11:35<diego>what now?
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11:37<diego>stderr_dk: it has lvdisplay... I had to sudo it first. I'll run sudo su
11:38<stderr_dk>sudo -s should be the same thing.
11:38<stderr_dk>Can you mount the various partitions when you use your rescue CD?
11:38<legaume>ok . I took youtube-dl from and it works fine.
11:39<diego>stderr_dk: i can try. where should i mount them?
11:39<stderr_dk>diego: mount /dev/Rubidio/root /mnt
11:39<stderr_dk>diego: mount /dev/Rubidio/home /mnt/home (I'm guessing that's what your home partition is called?)
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11:39<stderr_dk>legaume: No problem.
11:40<stderr_dk>diego: What other partitions do you have?
11:40<diego>stderr_dk: yes
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11:41<diego>usr var swap_1 tmp git
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11:42<stderr_dk>diego: mount /dev/Rubidio/usr /mnt/usr ; mount /dev/Rubidio/var /mnt/var ; mount /dev/Rubidio/tmp /mnt/tmp
11:42<stderr_dk>diego: Where do you normally mount "git"?
11:42<diego>stderr_dk: ok
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11:43<diego>stderr_dk: I think it is /dev/Rubidio/git
11:44<stderr_dk>That's the device. Where do you mount it?
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11:45<diego>stderr_dk: but it's failed to be mounted now
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11:45<stderr_dk>diego: Can you do a grep git /mnt/etc/fstab ?
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11:48<diego>stderr_dk: in /opt/git/
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11:49<stderr_dk>mount /dev/Rubidio/git /mnt/opt/git
11:49<diego>stderr_dk: I'll mount it there :)
11:49<stderr_dk>Under /mnt/opt, not just /opt.
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11:49<diego>I see. done
11:50<stderr_dk>mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev ; mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc ; chroot /mnt /bin/bash
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11:51<stderr_dk>Can someone take over the rescue of diegos system? I need to make some phone calls...
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11:54<diego>stderr_dk: done.. what have we done with that?
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11:55<diego>thankyou stderr_dk
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11:55<blubberdiblub>diego, you created a chroot environment and chrooted into it
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11:57<blubberdiblub>diego, do you happen to be on wheezy or sid?
11:57<blubberdiblub>diego, sorry, i meant jessie or sid
11:57<diego>and what else do I need to do to fix my system? (btw, where can I learn about chroot for nOOBs like me?)
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11:58<Osiris_X>does anyone know if wine64 v. 1.6.1 can also run 32-bit applications?
11:58<diego>blubberdiblub: stable
11:58<diego>I believe it was called wheezy
11:58<towo`>Osiris_X, wine64 is für 64bit win applications
11:58<diego>how do I look that now?
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11:59<blubberdiblub>yes, stable is wheezy. i was afraid you were on testing (jessie) or unstable (sid)
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11:59<Osiris_X>towo`: and I have to setup separate ~/.wine directories for wine32 and wine64 ?
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12:01<diego>blubberdiblub: so I have a stable system that went nuts, I chrooted that system using a rescue cd. well, what else do i need to do to fix my pc?
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12:02<diego>blubberdiblub: is it fixed already?
12:02<stderr_dk>diego: I'm still on the phone, but aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade (or apt-get, if that's what you use)
12:02<stderr_dk>It's not fixed yet.
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12:03<blubberdiblub>diego, well, i don't know what happened. i just arrived. you'll probably want to do something in the chroot now that you've set it up
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12:04<stderr_dk>blubberdiblub: <diego> help! nOOB here. My system is broken, it says: "...Gave up waiting for root device...ALERT: /dev/disk/by-uuid/... does not exist. Dropping to a shell..." How do I fix it?
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12:05<blubberdiblub>stderr_dk, well, what did you find out about his issue then? why was he dropped to a shell? why is it not booting? might it be a timing issue?
12:06<stderr_dk>Nothing yet, but now we have a shell with some useful commands.
12:07<diego>thanks stderr_dk and blubberdiblub. i called aptitude update and upgrade... and they complain aboutcould not open lock file -var--lock-aptitude - open (2: No such file or directory)
12:07<bremner>are you root?
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12:07<blubberdiblub>that's because of /run not properly mounted inside the chroot
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12:08<diego>yes I am
12:08<diego>those dashes shoud be slashes
12:09<blubberdiblub>i'm not sure how the chroot is helping to diagnose the issue, unless you chrooted from the initramfs busybox shell
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12:10<stderr_dk>The initramfs didn't have any lvm commands, so his partitions couldn't be mounted from there.
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12:13<diego>it also says " could not lock the cahce file; this usually means that dpkg or anothr apt tool is already installing packages. Opening in read only mode...." and I finally say not to continue
12:13<blubberdiblub>it might not have the usual symlinks, but it might still have the "lvm" command
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12:13<stderr_dk>diego: You did mount var, right?
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12:14<stderr_dk>blubberdiblub: My plan was to simply mount everything, make sure the system is up-to-date, check for obvious bugs and errors and then reinstall grub.
12:14<blubberdiblub>stderr_dk, his current problem is that /run/lock doesn't exist
12:15<blubberdiblub>stderr_dk, inside the chroot, that is
12:15<stderr_dk>Ok, I usually don't bind mount that when I do something like this, but if you say so...
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12:16<diego>I think so
12:16<diego>but now i only see my ooooold commands if i press up arrow
12:16<blubberdiblub>stderr_dk, /run needs to be given a thought when chrooting since when /run was made a tmpfs for locks and stuff
12:16<stderr_dk>diego: grep var /proc/mounts
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12:17<stderr_dk>diego: I guess I forgot about /run, so... exit ; mount -o bind /run /mnt/run ; chroot /mnt /bin/bash
12:17<apoc_>hello there again
12:17<stderr_dk>Unless blubberdiblub thinks we need more than that?
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12:18<diego>OK. i can do that
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12:18<blubberdiblub>that should be fine. just mkdir /run/lock would be another option, but bind mounting it doesn't clobber the /run mountpoint and might thus be slightly cleaner
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12:20<diego>done. I'll try aptitude update and upgrade
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12:24<diego>seems to be working
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12:25<diego>not really it hasn't connect to the servers trhu ethernet
12:26<diego>I'll unplug and plug the cable back to see if my adsl routers gives a dhcp address
12:26<prasad>i have problem in aptitude, when i become root ,only the text appears and all execept it appears in '?' format,what is the problem?help
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12:28<apoc_>is SynerG here? :)
12:30<diego>stderr_dk, blubberdiblub: it says it could not resolve
12:30<blubberdiblub>diego, what does "cat /etc/resolv.conf" say?
12:30<diego>I have address ... but I guess there is no dns
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12:31<diego>domain home search home nameserver
12:31<apoc_>was here a few hours ago, is SynerG back?
12:31<musca>apoc_: better just ask your fine detailed question, someone might answer even before SynrG arrives
12:32<blubberdiblub>diego, can you resolve domains manually? "host"?
12:32<diego>blubberdiblub: nop
12:32<diego>timed out
12:33<blubberdiblub>diego, can you ping the nameserver? "ping"?
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12:33<apoc_>Debian 7.2.0; XFCE 4.8.. have the problem that when I resume from hibernation/suspension, my session is visible very shortly, before the xscreensaver and the lock applies.. SynerG posted a Bug Report with a working Pathc, he told me to wait until he tested it for me
12:33<SynrG>apoc_: no
12:34<apoc_>hi SynerG :)
12:34<apoc_>oh *SynrG..
12:35<diego>yes form the very system
12:35<SynrG>seriously, no. I'm on the bus
12:35<diego>I try from outside
12:36<blubberdiblub>diego, when you exit the chroot with "exit" and do another "cat /etc/resolv.conf", does it list the same nameserver or a different one?
12:36<SynrG>so still unable to do my testing
12:36<apoc_>I see :) have a good ride
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12:36<diego>pinged succesfully
12:37<SynrG>yeah, will be back in a couple of hours or so. got errands on the way back
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12:37<apoc_>alright! see you later, thanks for the assistance!
12:37<diego>nameserver and nameserver
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12:38<blubberdiblub>diego, well, you should enter that same information into the chroot's resolv.conf then
12:39<blubberdiblub>diego, outside the chroot, do "cat /etc/resolv.conf > /mnt/etc/resolv.conf"
12:39<blubberdiblub>diego, then go back into the chroot "chroot /mnt /bin/bash" and try again
12:40<diego>trying aptitude... like a charm
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12:43<ompaul>prasad: so don't use font effects like that - it is annoying - secondly open the terminal you are using to full screen if that's not fixing it I have a question have you been doing anything with console fonts
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12:43<diego>there is just an error. but there was 1 error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: the name org.freedesktop.PackageKit was not provided by any .service files Current status: 0 updates [-25].
12:44<diego>I have no clue what freedesktop is for. I don't think it will have an impact right now
12:45<diego>now that the system has been updated and upgraded... stderr_dk said I have to do something with grub
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12:46<blubberdiblub>diego, did you bind mount /dev earlier? do you have a separate /boot partition?
12:47<prasad>ompaul: i had done something yesterday on installing locale on gnome,but refixed that but its now giving some trobule on terminal also,is there any way to reset everything to english ?
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12:48<diego>blubberdiblub: yes i bind mounted it
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12:48<diego>I have no idea about the /boot partition thing
12:48<diego>what do you mean
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12:49<diego>I have not mounted any /boot
12:49<blubberdiblub>diego, can you put the output of "lsblk ; blkid" onto a pastebin, please?
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12:49<ompaul>prasad: you are putting bold font into irc I'll be putting you on ignore if you do it again, it is really distracting
12:50<diego>how do I send the screen it the system is still under repairment process?
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12:50<blubberdiblub>diego, what's the system you booted right now?
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12:51<diego>blubberdiblub: does it take too long to write it down? i cannot cut and paste
12:51<apoc_>i am chrunchbang
12:51<diego>I'm chating with another pc
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12:51<apoc_>or at least my kitchen-laptop
12:52<diego>I mean i use a small laptop for IRC
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12:52<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. #crunchbang on See <based on debian>.
12:53<diego>I could snap a photo?
12:53<apoc_>should I leave with my chrunchbang?
12:53<blubberdiblub>diego, well, do all your partitions live on lvm? sure, you can paste a photo into an imagebin
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12:54<ompaul>apoc_: well it's not debian, if it was it would be easier to help you, we can't and don't know what changes they made to make "crunchbang", it is not possible for us to look at all the downstreams, and really we don't want to. Convert yourself to debian and we can help you.
12:55<bremner>of course you can use whatever you like to IRC, even windows.
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12:56<ompaul>apoc_: that means a clean install, and you get a nice clean debian box where our ideas should work, but supposing your problem is caused by a change they made - it will never be fixed here
12:56<apoc_>the crunchbang is just sitting in the kitchen, to follow the irc when I go to make something to eat..
12:57<ompaul>apoc_: so what are you looking for support on?
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12:57<blubberdiblub>diego, or you could do "aptitude install pnopaste-cli && { lsblk ; blkid } | nopaste-it"
12:58<apoc_>I'm fine, I had a conversation with SynrG, who I am waiting for..
12:58<diego>sounds good
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12:58<blubberdiblub>diego, sorry, i meant "aptitude install pnopaste-cli && { lsblk ; blkid ; } | nopaste-it"
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12:59<prasad>ompaul:sorry ,but i have set my system font to bit stream character bold,i don't know how is this happening that my system font is also reflecting in irc also?pls help me solve this?but sorry for it
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13:00<ompaul>prasad: it looks ok here - you need to start a new terminal I imagine to get the impact for aptitude
13:00<ompaul>prasad: and the page I gave you is for locales
13:02<prasad>yes,i am seeing it....and one more can you tell how this happened that my system fonts are getting reflected on irc on your end ?
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13:04<blubberdiblub>diego, what's /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 in there?
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13:04<blubberdiblub>diego, is it possible that there is a boot partition on any of those?
13:05<diego>yes it is possible
13:05<blubberdiblub>diego, but wait. /dev/sdd is probably the system you're rescuing?
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13:07<diego>how can i see the name of the hard disk? i know them by the maker's name
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13:07<blubberdiblub>diego, ls -alF /dev/disk/by-id/
13:07<ompaul>prasad: no, I don't even know your client, I could probe it but don't care to
13:08<diego>I try
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13:08<prasad>ompaul: i am using quassel as irc client.
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13:10<ompaul>apoc_: you do /away REASON and we don't see it - afk is just noise
13:11<ompaul>and lost on the person who joins after that
13:11<ompaul>prasad: means nothing to me
13:11<blubberdiblub>diego, well, that output is for you. you know what is on which manufacturer's disk. i don't ;)
13:11<ompaul>prasad: did you fix your locale?
13:11<ompaul>prasad: and now I'm gone for a while - food ;-)
13:12<diego>oh my, i barely remember
13:12<blubberdiblub>diego, is the system to rescue just on the Toshiba or is there anything of the system also on the Samsung SSD?
13:13<prasad>ompaul: yes,i am trying to fix it ,and thanks,enjoy your food...
13:13<diego>the system is in the samsung ssd
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13:14<blubberdiblub>diego, then what's the stuff on the toshiba hdd?
13:14<diego>and part of the lvm (git perhaps) goes into one of the other hardisk
13:15<blubberdiblub>diego, ok, so mount /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 in turn and look what's on each of those partitions
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13:16<prasad>ompaul: yes,it fixed..
13:16<diego>what if I take a look to /etc/fstab now that i'm chrooted
13:17<blubberdiblub>diego, sure, good idea. should have thought of that
13:18<blubberdiblub>diego, look for a sign of a boot partition. if there is one, mount it
13:18<blubberdiblub>diego, is it an EFI system?
13:19<diego>I wish I had a better idea of what that means
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13:20<blubberdiblub>phew ... didn't do any grub-efi yet. what does "dpkg -l grub-efi grub-pc" say?
13:20<blubberdiblub>diego, ^
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13:22<blubberdiblub>diego, and grub-efi? doesn't it list that? any error related to that?
13:23<diego>Blubberdiblub: I beg your pardon, I dont understand what your try to tell me
13:24<blubberdiblub>diego, i want to see which grub is installed. grub-efi or grub-pc.
13:24<diego>how do i know that?
13:24<blubberdiblub>diego, on your output it just says that grub-pc is not installed, but it doesn't list grub-efi at all. did you type my command exactly?
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13:25<diego>my nOOb mistake... missed a 'b' in grub-efi
13:25<blubberdiblub>diego, ok, that looks much better now ;)
13:26<blubberdiblub>diego, i have no experience with grub-efi, but if it works similar to grub-pc, you gotta mount both the boot partition and the efi partition first "mount /boot ; mount /boot/efi"
13:26<blubberdiblub>watch out for any error messages
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13:27<blubberdiblub>diego, and if that worked without errors, try "dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi"
13:27<diego>so i need to exit chroot... mount bind boot and mount bind boot efi and get back to chroot is it?
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13:27<blubberdiblub>diego, no, please stay inside the chroot
13:28<diego>mount /boot; ¿will it understand the hdd that it needs?
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13:28<blubberdiblub>diego, yes, it will. you will need both mount commands, tho
13:29<blubberdiblub>diego, it takes the missing info from /etc/fstab
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13:29<diego>ok mounted
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13:30<blubberdiblub>diego, both of them? then try the "dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi" command
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13:31<diego>it says something about perl: warning: setting locale failed ..... but it ended
13:31<blubberdiblub>diego, just ignore the locale message
13:31<diego>how do I know if that worked
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13:31<blubberdiblub>diego, what was the other output?
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13:32<diego>nothing else... locale stuff and that is it
13:32<blubberdiblub>hmm ...
13:33<blubberdiblub>well, then someone with more knowledge about grub and efi needs to help out. i'm not gonna take risks and guess
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13:34<diego>but this is supposed to have done something good, does it? what if I exit and restart the system
13:35<diego>i'm optimistic :D
13:35<blubberdiblub>diego, well, before you do that, also do "update-grub" and "update-initramfs -u"
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13:35<blubberdiblub>diego, also inside the chroot
13:35<diego>that initramfs rings me the bell from the things that i googled
13:35<diego>I try
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13:36<diego>update grub fails
13:36<blubberdiblub>diego, what's the error message?
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13:39<diego>Blubberdiblub: generated grub.cfg
13:39<diego>found background image.....png
13:40<diego>/usr/sbin/grub-probe:error: couldn't find PV v1. Check your
13:40<blubberdiblub>diego, well, let's check your then. "cat /boot/grub/ | nopaste-it"
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13:41<diego>found linux image... found initrd image.... (same error message) Cannot find list of partitions (try mounting /sys.)
13:41<blubberdiblub>diego, did you bind mount /sys earlier?
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13:41<diego>seems like I have not
13:42<blubberdiblub>diego, does "ls /sys" give you an empty listing or some directory names?
13:43<blubberdiblub>diego, then exit the chroot, "mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys" then go back into the chroot "chroot /mnt /bin/bash"
13:44<diego>"mount --bind" or "mount -o bind" ?
13:44<blubberdiblub>both work
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13:44<diego>ok chrooted
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13:45<blubberdiblub>try the update-grub again. i guess the first error will stay, tho, so we will have to check your
13:45<diego>do I have to aptitude update upgrade, mount /boot /boot/efi and .... what else?
13:45<blubberdiblub>no, what you mounted is already mounted. and if the aptitude commands worked without errors earlier, you don't need to repeat them
13:46<diego>but the /boot and /boot/efi was done from inside chroot... does it stay since i have exited and came back?
13:46<blubberdiblub>yes, it will stay
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13:47<blubberdiblub>diego, you can check if you are unsure ;) "ls /boot"
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13:48<diego>done, checked ;-) and updete-grub. now it says generating ... background... error PV1 ... and done
13:49<blubberdiblub>diego, does it still complain about the
13:49<blubberdiblub>diego, then check it, please
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13:50<diego>nopaste-it fails
13:51<blubberdiblub>error message?
13:51<diego>there was an error en the server side
13:51<blubberdiblub>maybe just try it again
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13:52<diego>same old
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13:52<diego>i see why
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13:53<diego>cat /boot/grub/ : no such file or directory
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13:53<diego>sorry it is there
13:54<diego>i can write it
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13:54<blubberdiblub>diego, just put it onto one line
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13:55<diego>the error was mine again a typo
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13:56<Ahmed>Is there a way to auto configure my network the way the installer does?
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13:57<Ahmed>I don't know why and I don't recall messing with anything Network related
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13:57<Ahmed>but now it suddenly won't allow me to access irc networks and only a handful of websites seem to load
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13:58<blubberdiblub>diego, there are some superfluous entries there from drives that aren't connected anymore and /dev/sdd is missing. let me think about the best way to fix it
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13:58<blubberdiblub>diego, first use "nano /boot/grub/" and remove the last 2 lines and save the file
13:59<diego>Blubberdiblub: I see the superfluous usb drives
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13:59<diego>Blubberdiblub: edited
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14:00<blubberdiblub>diego, check again with cat if the file only has hd0 upo to hd2 now
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14:00<diego>hd0 hd1 hd2
14:01<diego>Blubberdiblub: should i try update-grub?
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14:01<blubberdiblub>diego, no wait, now do: echo \(hd3\) $( ls /dev/disk/by-id/ata-T*T ) >> /boot/grub/
14:02<blubberdiblub>diego, make sure you don't make any typo
14:02<blubberdiblub>note that the first two slashes before the parentheses are backslashes
14:02<blubberdiblub>and make sure you use >>, not >
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14:03<ser>hello good afternoon who knows a good antiproxis proxies to avoid connections to my ircd
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14:06<blubberdiblub>diego, looks good. now try "update-grub" again
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14:06<diego>Blubberdiblub: looks good to me too
14:06<SynrG>apoc_: i'm back, and will look more closely at that bug when i have a minute.
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14:07<blubberdiblub>diego, now try "update-initramfs -u"
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14:07<ser>diego hello good afternoon who knows a good antiproxis proxies to avoid connections to my ircd
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14:07<Ahmed>How long am I supposed to wait before reasking the same question?
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14:08<diego>Blubberdiblub: done
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14:08<blubberdiblub>diego, without error?
14:08<diego>Blubberdiblub: yes sir, no errors at sight
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14:09<blubberdiblub>diego, then "exit" out of the chroot. "umount /mnt/boot/efi ; umount /mnt/boot ; umount /mnt/sys ; umount /mnt/run ; umount /mnt/proc ; umount /mnt/dev ; umount /mnt"
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14:12<blubberdiblub>diego, probably also insert a "umount /mnt/var" before the last command
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14:12<blubberdiblub>diego, i'm not sure what you mounted into the chroot ;)
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14:13<apoc_>perfect.. don't stress yourself for me ;)
14:14<diego>Blubberdiblub: it says mnt is still busy
14:15<diego>Blubberdiblub: home
14:15<blubberdiblub>diego, cat /proc/mounts and look what's still mounted under /mnt/
14:15<blubberdiblub>diego, umount everything under /mnt/, then umount /mnt itself
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14:17<SynrG>apoc_: you're on wheezy, right? first i'm testing this on sid ...
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14:17<apoc_>SynrG: yes.. wheezy 7.2.0
14:17<SynrG>apoc_: not sure if the patch on the 2nd bug (which reverts the earlier patch, i.e. doesn't need to be reversed, as i had thought) would apply cleanly to wheezy ...
14:17<blubberdiblub>diego, when you've done that, try booting the system
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14:17<SynrG>apoc_: i'll figure that out, though.
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14:18<diego>Blubberdiblub: clean...
14:18<blubberdiblub>diego, clean what?
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14:19<diego>I mean that mnt was unmounted completely
14:19<blubberdiblub>diego, okay, then try booting your system
14:19<diego>sorry, I'm spaniard and that was a literal translation
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14:19<blubberdiblub>diego, no worries :)
14:20<diego>sweet! KUDOS to your SIR
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14:20<apoc_>SynrG: awesome, thank you very much!
14:20<blubberdiblub>diego, well, does it boot successfully?
14:20<diego>and to stderr_dk my respect too
14:20<diego>yes it does
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14:21<blubberdiblub>ok, good :) you're welcome
14:21<diego>I'll write down the procees of this succesfull story... one never knows what can happen again
14:21<SynrG>apoc_: well, it's not looking good. i applied the patch, installed, and when suspending, the screen doesn't lock at all, late or otherwise.
14:21<blubberdiblub>diego, for the future, remember when making bigger changes to hard disks or partitions, to always run "grub-update" and "update-initramfs -u", and look out for errors, and if there are errors, you have to fix them before shutting down the system
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14:22<stderr_dk>diego: Oops, sorry for not getting back. I simply forgot after my phone calls. Just heard the beep when you mentioned my name. :-)
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14:22<diego>you both were such a great help :D
14:23<stderr_dk>Glad to hear that everything is working now.
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14:23<apoc_>SynrG: so with the patch its still the same? what a pity..
14:23<diego>see you!
14:23<blubberdiblub>de nada
14:24<SynrG>apoc_: no, it's worse
14:24<blubberdiblub>see you, diego
14:25<apoc_>SynrG: not good. not good at all.. >_< so my best option is to live with it?
14:25<SynrG>apoc_: i'll do some more testing. i've reverted to the prior version before applying that patch, and suspending doesn't lock the screen there, either.
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14:25<SynrG>no. i haven't proven anything conclusively yet
14:25<SynrG>just be patient :)
14:25<SynrG>i'll be advising you when done, and i'm not done yet.
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14:26<apoc_>SynrG: I am ;) thank you very much
14:26<SynrG>if i can't reproduce the problem, i can't very well debug it
14:27<apoc_>sounds quite logic ;)
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14:34<Nikon_m>Hi there
14:35<Nikon_m>Is there a utility that I can use that will allow me to make grub auto boot in to my other os if I select it from a list while shutting down, like Reboot to win7
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14:36<stderr_dk>Nikon_m: man grub-reboot
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14:37<smashedpotato>Hello. Is it relevant to ask 'raspbian' questions here?
14:37<SynrG>apoc_: i've hit a corner case where ck-list-sessions fails to list my session, so the acpi hook triggering the screen lock doesn't even get called, since it can't find the X user session against which to issue the command :p
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14:38<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on for support.
14:38<SynrG>apoc_: so, quite apart from whether or not the patch would work, my own system can't (currently) be used to test it
14:38<stderr_dk>smashedpotato: ^^^
14:38<smashedpotato>Thanks stderr_dk
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14:38<SynrG>apoc_: i might be able to unbreak my system enough to test it ... stay tuned :)
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15:37<unknown>hi, low microphone volume when i use skype, any suggestion ?
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15:46<prasad>is downloading one's complete blog,website with wget ilegal?????
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15:46<Calinou>prasad, depends
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15:48<prasad>is there any article on this ,where i can get some set of rule to use wget?
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15:48<SamB>prasad: did they complain when you did it?
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15:49<apoc_>I'd say no, every view is a download of the website.. if you use the content against their will, its illegal
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15:52<prasad>no,but just asking for safety purposes..because i have weak and slow internet connectivity,so it is not possible that i would have connection 24X7 ,so i am thinking to save it and read that blog when as required ,so that my bandwidth can also saved
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15:52<max__>unknown: check pavucontrol (apt-get install it in case you don't have it)
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15:53<apoc_>if you download with wget, its just as if you viewed all the things you downlaoded.. so it would be pretty much the same, if you'd open it in the browser, keep it open and read it a few hours later..
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15:56<prasad>yes,but i am downloading that blog recursively ,i.e the compelete blog archives of blog ,i am downloading ,so i just want to know is there any risk?
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15:57<unknown>thank you max, i install it, and when i run pavucontrol in a terminal i have errors withe pulseaudio
15:57<unknown>thank you in advance ;)
15:57<dondelelcaro>prasad: assuming you're not DOSing the remote machine, it normally doesn't matter... but you're asking for legal advice, which we can't really give you
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16:02<unknown>thank you max , i purge and reinstall pulseaudio and it works :)
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16:03<prasad>ok,that's fine.and moreover the point is that how would i know that the owner of that is willing to share his work to all,because once you have published it on web ,that means you want to share it ,so the community can get the stuff as and how requiered ,without disturbing the owner or doing anything that can have trouble to owner.
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16:49<unknown>what's your best weather indicator on wheezy guys ?
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16:56<blubberdiblub>i'm using xfce's weather applet, and it works for me
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16:57<Calinou>XFCE WHEATHER
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16:58<unknown>thank you devil but conky is not what i search.. Calinou: i will test xfce weather
16:59<abrotman>unknown: which DE do you use now ?
17:00<unknown>abortman: wheezy
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17:01<blubberdiblub>unknown, which Desktop Environment. i.e. gnome, kde, xfce, lxde
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17:02<unknown>ah sorry lol
17:02<unknown>i use lxde
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17:03<unknown>i thought debian edition :p
17:03<petn-randall>heh :)
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17:07<unknown>so i can use xfce goodies on lxde ?
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17:08<SynrG>well, i use xfce-volumed on lxde without issues
17:08<SynrG>makes up for the lack of a volume change OSD
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17:10<SynrG>i may have modified one file. /etc/xdg/autostart/xfce4-volumed.desktop
17:10<SynrG>that should be self-explanatory
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17:21<unknown>SynrG: ok thanks
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18:08<grummund>Hi, i know that nslookup, dig, and host can resolve an ip into a hostname, but is there a utility that will do it without requiring post-processing of the output to get *just* the domain name ?
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18:14<lucho>Hi! How do I create a guest user for friends and family? :)
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18:30<devil_>a user is a user, unless it's root :)
18:31<devil_>to have an extra user, read man adduser
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18:37<valdyn>a guest user is probably a user that
18:37<valdyn>has a very weak password and cannot log in with most methods
18:37<valdyn>(like not via ssh)
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18:41<SynrG>all good comments, but he left two minutes after he asked :p
18:42<devil_>yeah, just realised that, even thogh he might still be here with a very similar nick
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20:56<rainfyre>Evening everyone. I'm wondering if there's any difference at all between apt-get update and aptitude updatee
20:57<LtL>rainfyre: no
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20:58<rainfyre>thank you :)
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21:00<leftist>which driver would i select from intel open source for video driver for squeeze?
21:00<leftist>i'm not sure how to even ask that question.
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21:03<LtL>leftist: the kernel will know what to install, intel gpu's are well supported
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21:03<LtL>oh, thanks
21:04<LtL>i ignore join/parts here.. thx :)
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21:06<tron>Hello guys i have just done a freash install of debian wheezy 7.2 on my laptop and was getting ready to install some software from synaptic package manager and the first thing i was going to install was called harden and when i clicked apply it had a few messages that are E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. E: error, pkgProblemResolver:: Resolve generated breaks. this may be caused by held packages. E:unable to correct depende
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21:12<tron>just dont know what could be broken here it is a fresh install and it also said the same thing on my last install before this one
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21:25<tron> Hello guys i have just done a freash install of debian wheezy 7.2 on my laptop and was getting ready to install some software from synaptic package manager and the first thing i was going to install was called harden and when i clicked apply it had a few messages that are E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. E: error, pkgProblemResolver:: Resolve generated breaks. this may be caused by held packages. E:unable to correct depend
21:26<sney>tron, can you try installing it in a terminal with apt-get install, and if it still gives you error messages, pastebin the entire output to ?
21:27<tron>sney no i cannot well i couldnt on my last install and i just finished with me new install and i havent tryed via terminal this time yet
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21:27<tron>sney i was guessing that the out come would still be the same via terminal
21:28<sney>tron, I am asking you to try it, and then paste the errors to that website so I can see *all* of the messages
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21:29<tron>sney give me a second i am using another computer brb hold on
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21:33<tron>sney this is what it said when i tried via terminal Reading package lists...Done Building dependency tree Reading stae information...Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impssible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have
21:34<sney>tron, those messages are useless without the package information that came before it. please get everything into and then link it here
21:34<tron>sney that is everything
21:35<SamB>... The following packages have
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21:36<tron>sney did i maybe get a bad download when i downloaded my iso image for the debian wheezy and do i need to download a new one and hope that something dont go wrong
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21:36<sney>tron, I have no way of answering that WITHOUT SEEING YOUR ENTIRE ERROR
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21:37<sney>it is possible that we can fix this easily if you PASTE THE WHOLE THING PLEASE
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21:37<sney>and do it here: NOT THE CHANNEL
21:37<tron>sney i am telling you really that is all the terminal said word for word exept for my user name and hostname
21:37<sney>tron, because you pasted it in the channel, your irc client cut off the end of the message.
21:37<sney>please follow all the instructions we give you. we know what we are doing.
21:37<abrotman>mostly :)
21:38<tron>sney i didnt paste it i have two computers i typed it in this window not paste
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21:38<sney>is your debian computer networked?
21:39<tron>sney the computer i am useing at the moment is on a totaly seperate network i have two routers
21:39<tron>and two motems
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21:41<sney>ok, go to your debian computer, run 'apt-get install pastebinit', then 'apt-get install harden |pastebinit'
21:41<sney>it will give you a link, and you can tell us the link
21:41<tron>hold on a moment
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21:42<tron>sney could the iso download when bad or maybe i shouldnt not have edited the sources.list before trying this ??
21:43<sney>tron, if you added something to sources.list it can cause a problem... 'harden' is already in debian, can you also pastebin your sources.list? if you install pastebinit you can do 'pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list'
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21:44<tron>i just removed the cdrom install from the repo and added virtualbox repo and wheezy backports to repo
21:45<tron>sney is harden if needed ?? cant i harden my system without that this is more for education than anything
21:46<sney>!securing debian
21:46<dpkg>The Securing Debian Manual describes the security of the Debian GNU/Linux operating system and within the Debian project. Packaged for Debian as harden-doc. See also <manuals>.
21:46<sney>if you want to learn about security in debian, that's where you start ^
21:46<sney>I can't give you any specific answers without seeing the output from apt, or your sources.list, or anything
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22:12<conium>i am trying to unzip a package and Squeeze is giving me an status code of 2304 before failing to unzip, i cant find a solution searching about, anyone know what it means?
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22:13<bremner>google does
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22:13<conium>bremner, im looking through the results now, but they only mention the problem, not the solution (at least what i have found thus far)
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22:15<bremner>conium: are you sure file is not corrupted?
22:15<conium>bremner, no im not
22:15<bremner>most of the time you can get the checksum from the same site as you downloaded the zip file
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22:16<conium>bremner, i dont think ill be able to do that
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22:17<bremner>what does "unzip -t" report?
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22:19<Fratello>help on mailman package install ?
22:19<abrotman>aptitude install mailman ?
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22:19<Fratello>I download but get looping between same two screens, (selecting language and hitting OK screens)
22:20<conium>bremner, here is the output
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22:21<bremner>hmm. No more ideas here, except if you can get the file again.
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22:24<conium>bremner, k, thx anyway
22:24<Fratello>My issue: Installed package, "mailman" manually because it was only mentioned or something by another file but I could _not_ install from terminal line... It downloaded and when I installed it manually and came to the 2 setup screens (select the language to setup up with & hit an OK button), these 2 screens just go back and forth and I cannot proceed... :/
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22:24<Fratello>* could not install it from terminal line by "apt-get install mailman"
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22:25<Fratello>* but finding the link on for its package, I could download it
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23:14<aranax>HI! I want to test a package in the new queue, in which place could I download it?
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23:15<SamB>aranax: you can try contacting whoever uploaded it
23:15<abrotman>aranax: you cannot directly download it
23:15<SamB>but maybe check if they have a packaging repository first
23:15<abrotman>aranax: which package?
23:15<abrotman>shocked, really
23:15<abrotman>aranax: which version of Debian are you using currently?
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23:51<Nemoder>Is there anything like mlocate that also caches disk usage on files?
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