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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-12-15

---Logopened Sun Dec 15 00:00:35 2013
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00:32<wardhan>hi all, i seem to have messed up file permissions. how do i change the settings of usb external hd similar to my home folder. the present settings are as follows : /dev/sdb1 on /media/wardhan/war type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096)
00:32<wardhan>& also how do i make proper entry in fstab for my hd using uuid ?
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01:20<MegaKush>someone can help me with networking, i going mad trying to configure a vpn
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01:37<derpina>running debian squeeze 6.0.8 with my fail nvidia geforce gt520.. is there a way to increase the xorg res without installing nvidia drivers?
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01:41<derpina>can i install a generic video card driver?
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03:10<Guest115>hru ??
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03:31<filippo>come faccio a scaricare qualche film?
03:33<filippo>how to download movies
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05:49<DeepBlue>i ran 'chown -R deepblue /media' but the files there are still read to make it read and write?
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05:58<otak>DeepBlue: sounds like your media is mounted read-only
05:59<DeepBlue>otak, yep,how 2 change this?i want it read and write
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06:01<DeepBlue>editin /etc/fstab would help?
06:01<otak>use mount command to check device name and mount point, then something like: sudo mount -o remount,rw /your/device /media/devicename
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06:05<DeepBlue>otak, mount: cannot remount block device /dev/sda5 read-write, is write-protected
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06:09<otak>hmm, I don't know how a part of your hard drive should be write-protected, you might have to wait for better advice, or google
06:09<veindrain>hey guys just a quick one. i got 3 2tb disks. gonna do /boot as raid 1 on all 3 disks, swap as raid1 and "/" as raid 5. at the end gonna select "load bootloader on the mbr" and manually add grub on the other 2 disks later. Is that legit?
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06:10<DeepBlue>otak, ok,thanx a lot
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07:00<darvath>Hello everyone, i am a bit new to the linux enviroment, can i change the (user@debian) the [debian] part after the installation? and if yes where i should look or what command i should use?
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07:02<tommie-lie>darvath: edit /etc/hostname, reboot
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07:02<darvath>tommie-lie: thank you very much
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07:06<Zap-W>what's the name of the kernel package in wheezy?
07:07<themill>dpkg: tell Zap-W about cross-post
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07:54<Arch>hey there, I don't think whether this is the right channel to ask on, but I would like to start packaging and look for a mentor, is there a channel for that? the #debian-mentor channel seems to already be for new maintainers...
07:55<Arch>sorry it's not a user level question
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07:59<abrotman>Arch: no, the -mentors channel si the correct place. They help with people new to packaging as well as those they are already maintainers
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08:00<Arch>thanks abrotman, will try there
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08:01<ayaka>if I have change PATH enviroment variables, is ther any way to reset it to default without relogin?
08:02<devil>packages.d.o down?
08:02<devil>hm, never mind, it's back
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08:04<slicky_>Why can't i have both as 32bit and 64bit on the same system? When i install the 32bit it overwrites the 64bit and vice versa
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08:05<abrotman>ayaka: resource whatever file set it originally
08:06<ompaul>tell slicky_ about multi-arch
08:06*abrotman hands ompaul a !
08:06<ompaul>!tell slicky_ about multi-arch
08:06<ompaul>abrotman: thanks
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08:09<themill>(that package isn't multi-arch'd in wheezy)
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08:11<slicky_>opello, iv got multiarch activated.. when i install gtk2-engines-xfce:i386 it removes gtk2-engines-xfce:amd64.
08:11<ompaul>ah so the words "you can't"
08:11<ompaul>get there from here
08:12<themill>slicky_: enabling multiple architectures in dpkg doesn't magically change all packages to make them coinstallable.
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08:15<ayaka>abrotman, so I shall reset it to default by hand? acutally, I change the enviroment variables myself
08:15<MacTavish>is mplayer broken on sid for other people ? I have unmet dependencies on libraries. I'm not using contrib or non-free FYI.
08:16<MacTavish>(and even if I do, still broken)
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08:17<themill>dpkg: tell MacTavish about bat
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08:19<abrotman>ayaka: if you want to, sure
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08:20<stderr_dk>ayaka: You changed your $PATH, but your terminal still uses the old $PATH? Try a hash -r.
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08:25<themill>MacTavish: what happens if you use aptitude instead? Or try to install one of those packages apt is complaining about?
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08:26<MacTavish>themill: aptitude proposes to not install mplayer
08:26<ayaka>stderr_dk, no, I just want to restore the modified $PATH to default
08:26<MacTavish>and for the rest
08:26<ayaka>abrotman, but I want to know where there is a tip
08:26<abrotman>ayaka: i gave you a tip
08:27<ayaka>abrotman, I see do you mean that save $PATH to a file before then use it when you need
08:27<stderr_dk>ayaka: Ok, then I agree with abrotman... source the file...
08:27<DeepBlue>i tried to open /media/Media2 but i get'permissions denied' how to fix this?
08:29<abrotman>ayaka: start with 'man bash', see how it sets the $PATH
08:29<ayaka>abrotman, I will thank you
08:29<ayaka>stderr, thanks
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08:30<ayaka>but I think actually I know, just PATH=xx
08:30<abrotman>or ignore what we say .. good luck
08:31<MacTavish>themill: :(
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08:31<ayaka>abrotman, I see, I need read it again and more careful
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08:32<themill>MacTavish: ahh yes. Try mplayer2 or any of the other hundred media players in debian ;)
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08:35<MacTavish>yeah that's what I'm using but still
08:36<MacTavish>they removed sub_step in mplayer2 :(
08:36<MacTavish>anyway, thanks !
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08:48<wijnen>I remember it being possible to download the archives from as mailbox, but can't find the link anymore. Has that option been removed, or am I looking in the wrong place?
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08:49<abrotman>wijnen: I think you can for bugs, don't recall for the lists
08:50<wijnen>Ah, that may be what I remember as well.
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08:50<themill>the lists on alioth offer mboxes for each month
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08:51<lastleo85>i need to install linux kali apps on to debian .... how can i do that?
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08:51<abrotman>lastleo85: You shouldn't, those packages aren't meant for Debian. They could break your Debian OS
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08:52<lastleo85><abrotman> but kali is based on debian??
08:52<abrotman>so what?
08:53<abrotman>lots of things are, doesn't make them compatible
08:53<DeepBlue>i tried to open /media/Media2 but i get'permissions denied' how to fix this?
08:53<lastleo85><abrotman> fine... thx
08:53<wijnen>You can install things from source, though, and that should work fine. Just make sure they go to /usr/local.
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08:53<abrotman>like he thinks I'm lying ...
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08:54<lastleo85>i tried ... could not get through
08:54<abrotman>probably a reason for that
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08:54<lastleo85>nice packages in kali though
08:54<wijnen>lastleo85: If you have a .deb for a derivative, you can try to install it with dpkg, but indeed you run the risk or ruining the system and uninstalling may not be enough to fix it.
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08:55<abrotman>and after you do that, you won't be supported here
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08:55<lastleo85>great... so i will make a virtual machine instead
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08:55<wijnen>Sounds like an excellent idea
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08:55<wijnen>Depending on what you need, you can just set up a chroot; might be slightly less work.
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08:56<lastleo85><abrotman> debian rocks
08:56<lastleo85>most stable .....
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08:58<wijnen>It is, but not if you mess with the internals. ;-) The problem is that a package is allowed to do all sorts of things that may break the system, and only for our own packages we know that they don't abuse that power.
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09:03<stderr_dk>Some day I'll make a .deb file that changes the password of the user with uid=1000 as part of the install script... Just to teach people not to install random packages they find online...
09:03<stderr_dk>Or maybe I won't...
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09:10<dalit>how to enable auto login after booting?
09:11<dalit>its tedious to type username and password over n over again
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09:12<dalit>how to enable auto login for a user after booting up?
09:12<wijnen>dalit: Are you using Gnome?
09:12<dalit>wijnen : no xfce
09:13<wijnen>Ah. Which display manager?
09:13<dalit>i dont know
09:13<wijnen>Then it's probably gdm.
09:13<dalit>anything which comes default for debian xfce
09:14<dalit>wijnen : ya , maybe
09:14<wijnen>Hmm, maybe not then. I always installed default Debian and then changed the desktop environment.
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09:14<dalit>wijnen : so u installed something and choosed something else
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09:15<dalit>what are u using now?
09:15<stderr_dk>dalit: dpkg --get-selections | grep -e xdm -e kdm -e lightdm (Did I miss some?)
09:15<wijnen>Yes, I just install the xfce packages and uninstall a lot of gnome.
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09:16<schichtleiter>Hi, I have some issues with booting after i had to apply some changes to the lvm i boot from at the rescue disk
09:16<dalit>should i install something of use now?
09:16<wijnen>But I didn't try to enable autologin.
09:16<dalit>stderr_dk : are those commands?
09:16<stderr_dk>dalit: Try running the command I gave you and give us the output.
09:16<stderr_dk>It's one command...
09:16<schichtleiter>It seems i have to reinstall grub2, but the rescue disk only includes grub 0.97?
09:17<wijnen>dalit: and add "-e wdm" as well.
09:17<dalit>stderr_dk : as super user?
09:17<stderr_dk>Or yourself.
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09:18<wijnen>schichtleiter: It's unlikely you have to reinstall grub itself. More likely you need to run update-grub. What is it saying to you?
09:19<Nemoder>schichtleiter: you can mount the installed filesystem in a chroot, then you could use whatever version of grub is on the system
09:21<schichtleiter>excellent idea, nemoder, i will try that
09:21<dalit>stderr_dk : output
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09:21<dalit>wijnen : output
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09:21<stderr_dk>dalit: Ok, lightdm...
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09:22<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI!
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09:22<dalit>stderr_dk : whats lightdm?
09:22<stderr_dk>Your display manager.
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09:23<stderr_dk>dalit: And the answer to your question is: /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf, line 78 and 79.
09:23<dalit>stderr_dk : how can i open it?
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09:24<stderr_dk>dalit: /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf is a text file, so nano -w /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf as root should do the trick.
09:25<dalit>stderr_dk : ok, what to alter there ?
09:25<stderr_dk>dalit: Then Ctrl-W, Ctrl-T, 78, enter... Remove the # in line 78 and 79 and write the name of the user to autologin as and how long to wait before logging in.
09:26<stderr_dk>Then Ctrl-X and Yes to save...
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09:26<dalit>stderr_dk : opened it in mousepad, seems easy enough
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09:27<Zap-W>I am getting BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at when trying to set a driver domain for my nic
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09:27<dalit>stderr_dk : but cant save with ctrl+s
09:27<stderr_dk>... as root.
09:27<wijnen>dalit: Ah yes, you have to be root to change that file.
09:27<wijnen>I regularly forget that, too, when editing config files. :-P
09:27<stderr_dk>I actually did say that...
09:28<dalit>stderr_dk : n i cant be root with GUI editors?
09:28<schichtleiter>when i install grub to boot from raid+lvm, do i install it to all disks? do i have to specify i am booting from lvm?
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09:28<stderr_dk>dalit: Well... nano is still an option...
09:28<wijnen>dalit: You can if you start them from a root shell. Otherwise, you can save the file elsewhere and then copy it over as root.
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09:29<stderr_dk>wijnen: You could very easily end up with the wrong owner/permissions, if you do that...
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09:31<wijnen>stderr_dk: Yes, that's true.
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09:31<stderr_dk>So let's not do that, ok?
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09:32<wijnen>It won't stop me from doing it, but I know how to fix my system. ;-) I'll agree to not advise it to others. :-)
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09:35<dalit>stderr_dk : it did not work well
09:35<stderr_dk>dalit: BTW: I just noticed, you didn't run the command we asked you to run.
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09:36<wijnen>schichtleiter: The kernel and initrd should be on a non-lvm partition if possible; I'm not sure if grub can read lvm. update-initramfs will detect everything and set up initird, no need to specify anything there.
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09:36<dalit>stderr_dk : ya i ran and also gave u the output here
09:36<stderr_dk>dalit: You grep'ed for "wdmliblightdm-gobject-1-0", not just "wdm". You might be running wdm without us knowing it.
09:37<dalit>maybe, can u expand wdm. i will check
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09:37<dalit>stderr_dk : or u only tell me how to help u to help me :)
09:38<wijnen>No, I think he just forgot to add the newline between the command and the output.
09:38<stderr_dk>wijnen: Maybe...
09:38<wijnen>He doesn't type such a thing, including many spaces and "install"
09:39<stderr_dk>Oh, I didn't see the "install". It was outside my window.
09:39<stderr_dk>Well, nevermind then...
09:39<stderr_dk>dalit: So it didn't work? How didn't it work?
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09:39<wijnen>dalit: did you restart the display manager? Just logging out may not be enough.
09:40<dalit>i tried booting up and was prompted to enter username and password again
09:40<dalit>wijnen : i restarted
09:40<stderr_dk>Can you put your /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf on ?
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09:42<dalit>wijnen : stderr_dk :
09:43<stderr_dk><stderr_dk> dalit: Then Ctrl-W, Ctrl-T, 78, enter... Remove the # in line 78 and 79 and write the name of the user to autologin as and how long to wait before logging in.
09:43<stderr_dk>Important clue in that line...
09:43<dalit>wijnen : stderr_dk : it was so silly of me
09:44<stderr_dk>After you have removed those # and saved the file /etc/init.d/lightdm restart should be enough. No need for a reboot.
09:45<dalit>i did a ctrl+o to save, OK
09:45<dalit>in nano
09:46<dalit>wrote 117 lines, is it saved?
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09:49<dalit>stderr_dk : wijnen : it worked, thank u guys learned a lot today :)
09:49<DeepBlue>i got this message'mount: warning: /media/Media2 seems to be mounted read-only.'how to fix this?
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09:50<stderr_dk>DeepBlue: What is "Media2"?
09:50<dalit>DeepBlue : are u able to mount that media?
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09:51<DeepBlue>Media2 is ntf
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09:52<stderr_dk>DeepBlue: Sorry, I don't use ntfs, so unless mount -o remount,rw /media/Media2 works, I have no ideas.
09:52<DeepBlue>ok,thanx a lot
09:53<stderr_dk>Oh, it did work? Great.
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09:53<zykotick9>DeepBlue: if it doesn't/didn't work - my "guess" is you'll need to use windows to file-system check it...
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09:54<DeepBlue>zyckotick9 :cannot remount block device /dev/sda1 read-write, is write-protected
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09:55<Pepper>DeepBlue: no ntfs-3g tools installed?
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09:56<DeepBlue>pepper:actually i don't no
09:57<DeepBlue>if u mean other os ,there is FreeBSD installed
09:57<Pepper>DeepBlue: what does "dpkg --get-selections | grep ntfs-3g" say?
09:58<zykotick9>Pepper: i don't think there is a ntfs fsck in gnu/linux at all... DeepBlue
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09:58<DeepBlue>Pepper, no output
09:59<Pepper>try installing it "aptitude install ntfs-3g" with root
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10:02<DeepBlue>Pepper, ok,done
10:02<Pepper>unmount, unplug, replug
10:03<DeepBlue>root@mintgreen:~# unmount
10:03<DeepBlue>-su: unmount: command not found
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10:03<schichtleiter>How can i check if a LVM physical volume fills the whole space on a mdraid md device?
10:04<schichtleiter>or is it always the same size as the raid automagically?
10:04<schichtleiter>the system boots again, btw. thanks!
10:05<DeepBlue>pepper :will u rephrase the last commands plz?
10:05<Pepper>unmount /media/Media2
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10:06<Pepper>try to mount it again.
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10:06<DeepBlue>what about the unplug command?
10:07<Pepper>i wanted to say, if it's an usb-device simply unplug and replug it.
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10:07<wijnen>schichtleiter: When you create the lvm pv, if you don't say otherwise, it will take all the space on the partition. If you later increase the partition size, it doesn't automatically scale with it.
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10:07<DeepBlue>peoook, sorry
10:07<DeepBlue>ok, sorry
10:08<schichtleiter>wijnen: found it, the command to update size is pvresize /dev/mdx
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10:09<wijnen>schichtleiter: Yes, but note that it's dangerous. It doesn't check everything. IIRC pvresize itself isn't a problem, but if you want to reduce your size, then you need to resize the partition after doing that, and it's very easy to make it smaller than the used size, thereby destroying your data.
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10:10<DeepBlue>Pepper, ok,i think it worked thanx a lot
10:10<Pepper>issue "mount" to see if it's "rw"
10:10<schichtleiter>wijnen: i shrunk it already. used about 500gigs less than available
10:10<schichtleiter>now i'm growing again :D
10:11<schichtleiter>this sounds wrong lol
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10:12<DeepBlue>Pepper, here
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10:13<Pepper>DeppBlue: first mount the device
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10:14<schichtleiter>DeepBlue, are you from Austria? I know someone who used to go by that nickname...
10:15<DeepBlue>Pepper, how could i?
10:15<DeepBlue>schichtleiter, nope ,sorry .i wish i were
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10:15<Pepper>DeepBlue: ntfs-3g <yourdevice> <yourmountpoint>
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10:16<Pepper>schichtleiter: I'm
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10:19<DeepBlue>Pepper, yes,it is mounted now
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10:19<Pepper>And "mount" tells you that it's "rw"?
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10:20<Pepper>or "ro"?
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10:21<DeepBlue>Pepper, here
10:22<klaus>ciao a tutti
10:22<Pepper>DeepBlue: congrats, should work now.
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10:22<DeepBlue>Pepper, thanx a lot my good freind
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10:23<DeepBlue>sorry gor the misconvenience
10:23<DeepBlue>sorry for the misconvenience i caused u
10:23<Pepper>DeepBlue: always welcome.
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10:26<drhouse123>is debian stable dvd iso hybrid ?
10:27<drhouse123>if i do it by dd to usb flash drive
10:28<drhouse123>i have 8 GB usb drive
10:28<zykotick9>drhouse123: yes it's hybrid, or use cat or cp as alternative to dd
10:28<drhouse123>zykotick9: ok, it is good :) thx
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10:35<JeF_>hi all
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10:37<JeF_>anyone to help me under a raspbian ?
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10:38<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on for support.
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10:39<JeF_>hi dpkg
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10:39<stderr_dk>JeF_: It's a bot.
10:39<JeF_>hehe ok :)
10:39<JeF_>hi stderr_dk
10:39<stderr_dk>It was just reacting to the command I wrote.
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10:41<JeF_>I have a problem with my private ftp server on my raspberry under raspbian
10:42<JeF_>with my bbox 3 I do a port forwarding
10:42<stderr_dk>As dpkg said, try #raspbian on for support.
10:42<JeF_>yep I know but i'm not sure my prob is about raspbian
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10:43<stderr_dk>Are you using Debian?
10:43<JeF_>hehe ok nope debian ...
10:43<JeF_>tnx ..
10:44<stderr_dk>Then it's not supported here. Sorry...
10:44<JeF_>ok bye
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11:12<veindrain>can i dd fast 3 drives at the same time ? i am on expert install shell
11:12<veindrain>*erase with dd
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11:24<just>hi! I need to install wireless [168c:0036] driver. How can i do it? Please help
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11:29<sney>,pciid 168c:0036
11:29<judd>[168c:0036] is 'QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in wheezy but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also
11:29<sney>just, you already have it. congratulations
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11:29<sney>ah, wait. you need a newer kernel if you're using debian stable.
11:29<sney>!tell just about bdo kernel
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11:31<just>how can i look kernel?
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11:32<sney>just, see your message from dpkg for instructions for upgrading the kernel
11:33<sney>you can see your current version with 'uname -r'
11:34<sney>right, you need the 3.11 kernel from wheezy-backports. the bot 'dpkg' sent you instructions in a different tab or window depending on your irc client
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12:20<naedirique>hi there!
12:21<naedirique>I'm having some issues with gnome-shell not showing any application icons after a *massive* upgrade
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12:22<naedirique>the symptoms are: whenever I go into the dash (windows key) and start typing the name of an application I'd like to run, nothing appears
12:22<naedirique>as if no applications were installed
12:22<mtn>naedirique: what kind of massive upgrade? details matter ;)
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12:22<naedirique>only that alt-F2 does work
12:23<naedirique>mtn: a 6 months-behing "apt-get upgrade" followed by "apt-get dist-upgrade"
12:23<mtn>naedirique: what distro? did you change your sources.list?
12:23<mtn>naedirique: distro or release
12:24<naedirique>mtn: no sources.list hackery, I'm running debian jessie, uname -a: "Linux krom 3.11-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.11.10-1 (2013-12-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux"
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12:24<mtn>naedirique: ah, jessie. best to go to #debian-next for jessie support
12:24<naedirique>mtn: Oh! right!, sorry :)
12:24<mtn>naedirique: np
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12:26<nadir>I think the new gnome is supposed to be like that (no application icons). In the side panel is a little icon which will show the applications icons
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12:27<naedirique>nadir: even when I press that "hash-like" icon, I still get no apps :(
12:28<nadir>lol. sorry to hear that. (probably the next cool feature of gnome, hence lol)
12:28<naedirique>nadir: thanks anyway :)
12:28<nadir>yeah, i was wrong, just shooting a possible "problem"
12:28<nadir>confused me quite a bit when i ran in it
12:29<naedirique>nadir: did for me too, but it sorta grows on ya ;)
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12:30<naedirique>mtn: bebian-next looks pretty barren today... is there a gnome -specific channel you know of that I could try? my box is pretty useless as it is :P
12:31<naedirique>mtn: *gnome-specific
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12:32<mtn>naedirique: I imagine there is one, don't know of the top of my head, but I bet google does ;)
12:32<naedirique>mtn: lol, thanks! :D
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12:48<naedirique_>o...k... so, after a very big upgrade, I find I'm missing the gnome-control-center... anyone alse had this happen to them before? I think its somehow related to my earlier inquiry about not having application icons displayed
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12:50<mtn>naedirique_: have you tried updating and then installing it?
12:50<mtn>naedirique_: your mirror may be a little behind or something
12:51<naedirique_>mtn: I just did an "apt-get install gnome-control-center", everything went well, and now the "Settings" entry in my user menu actually shows the settings center...
12:52<mtn>naedirique_: so, all is well?
12:52<naedirique_>mtn: the thing is that in the "Search" section of the settings center, I only find an entry for "Files", so I'm guessing I'm missing som "Applications" search provider
12:52<naedirique_>mtn: not at all! :P I'm still missing my apps icons, and if "gnome-control-center" is missing, who knows what else may be?
12:52<mtn>naedirique_: if you search for an application does it show up?
12:52<naedirique_>mtn: nope, not at all
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12:56<naedirique_>mtn: I just found out I was missing the "dconf-editor" package as well ¬¬ not cool
12:57<mtn>naedirique_: sounds like something named "testing" :)
12:58<naedirique_>mtn: lol :P
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12:58<nadir>I would probably try "apt-get install --reinstall gnome"
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12:58<naedirique_>mtn: still, not cool to have half your desktop environment zapped because of one being a lazy ass and not upgrading more often
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12:59<nadir>oh, and if running testing or sid you should upgrade as often as possible, not twice a year :-)
12:59<naedirique_>nadir: wouldn't that break a lot of stuff? (sorry, I'm not double guessing you, I'm just plain coward :P)
12:59<nadir>especially if running metapackages like gnome
12:59<naedirique_>nadir: yeah, I know...
12:59<naedirique_>nadir: I promise I will
12:59<nadir>nah, rather the other way around (the more often you upgrade, the higher are the chances to not break too much)
12:59<nadir>well: imho
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13:00<naedirique_>nadir: nono, I meant the "apt-get install --reintall gnome" thingy :P
13:00<nadir>ah, i doubt it. You could add a -s (for simulate) and look at what _would be done
13:01<nadir>but i really don't know gnome (and the problems which come with it) well
13:01<naedirique_>nadir: :D great, will try it and harrass you people some more if anything else comes up :)
13:02<nadir>I just tried gnome, for 2 months or so, but it gave me too much problems.
13:02<naedirique_>nadir: should I try to reinstall gnome or gnome-shell? (I don't find gnome3 as a package per se)
13:02<nadir>naedirique_: i meant to use reinstall "gnome", so all apps which might lack now will be reinstalled
13:02<naedirique_>nadir: as I said, it actually grows on you after some time... what sort of problems were you having?
13:03<nadir>nothing unusual. The one we spoke of above, no wallpaper, like that
13:03<naedirique_>nadir: oh I see, so no "gnome-shell", just plain "gnome" will take care of it all?
13:03<nadir>nothing which makes it unusable
13:03<nadir>apt-cache show gnome | grep -i dep
13:03<naedirique_>I found that after every "major" upgrade my wallpaper just disappears
13:03<nadir>should tell you. or just -s
13:04<nadir>naedirique_: i am just hammering here, telling what i would do. not very smart ....
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13:05<naedirique_>nadir: using "-s" mentions nothing about gnome-shell being reinstalled or anything...
13:06<nadir>absolutely nothing?
13:06<naedirique_>nope, no mention of gnome-shell, a plethora of other programs though
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13:07<naedirique_>actually, going "-s --reintall" on gnome-shell says it will only reinstall just that: gnome-shell, so... :P
13:07<DeepBlue> how 2 install poweriso?i downloaded a tar.gz file but i don't no what to do with it
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13:07<mtn>DeepBlue: follow the instructions that are in the file or the instructions you found on the site that had the file
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13:09<DeepBlue>mtn, i can find no instruction or read me file
13:09<nadir>naedirique_: well: i assumed "plethora of other programms" is what might cause problems
13:09<DeepBlue>only a binary file
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13:10<naedirique_>nadir: how so? you mean it will mess them up or something?
13:10<mtn>DeepBlue: well, if you have the binary,just run it?
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13:10<nadir>So, you upgraded. A couple of apps got removed, for what reason ever. Running "apt-get install --reinstall gnome" will reinstall all the dependencies again
13:11<nadir>like that. Yes?
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13:11<naedirique_>DeepBlue: 'Type " poweriso -? " for detailed usage information.' from their very own downloads page: '' ;)
13:11<naedirique_>DeepBlue: hope it helps :)
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13:11<nadir>Well: i myself would try to get rid of the metapackage alltogether ... but that is a different approach
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13:12<DeepBlue>mtl, i ran cd /path to file
13:12<naedirique_>nadir: seems about right, will try it and just blame you for anything (?) :P
13:12<DeepBlue>dhould i run ./poweriso now?
13:12<nadir>naedirique_: that is the way to go. blame me ... :-)
13:13<DeepBlue>should i run ./poweriso now?
13:13<nadir>naedirique_: nah, take care. really very raw method without much thinking (won't make the house burn down, as far i can see)
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13:14<naedirique_>DeepBlue: assuming you extracted the poweriso archive to ~/whatever (meaning: the file ~/whatever/poweriso exists and it is a binary file) you should go "~/whatever poweriso -?" to see the list of available options, there doesn't seem to be a GUI for this program, just CLI
13:14<naedirique_>nadir: that's alright, I was just kidding ;)
13:14<naedirique_>nadir: if push comes to shove, I'll just burn the box to the ground and start all over again
13:15<DeepBlue>naedirique_, ok,thanx a lot
13:15<nadir>naedirique_: got you. You could also wait until someone in #debian-next shows up (but to me that really doesn't look very "dangerous")
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13:15<naedirique_>nadir: #debian-next (at least today) is as barren as my grandmother's womb, and she's dead... :P
13:16<nadir>yeah, i saw you posting.
13:16<naedirique_>DeepBlue: np ;)
13:16<naedirique_>nadir: :)
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13:19<naedirique_>nadir: ok, apt-get is going to download ~1G worth of packages... time to catch up on my reading :P
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15:04<Nietzschette>i could use a little help with my fresh installation . . .
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15:05<mtn>Nietzschette: Ask your question and if anyone can help they will respond.
15:06<linuxator>Nietzschette, give it a shot
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15:06<lux>ie: why is Debian so cool?
15:07<weasel>we just can't hel pit
15:07<Nietzschette>so, i've got this old comp I'm using a server . . and the screen is really old and it defaults to too high a resolution. I'm guessing I adjust this from the grub . . . but I am also very new to Unix systems in general so . . .
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15:08<Nietzschette>resolution is fine at boot up, but then distorts when it actually loads and I can barely read my bash
15:09<Nietzschette>i'm sure it's a simple fix . .. . I just don't know where to start
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15:11<Nietzschette>i've tried that nomodeset in the grub but I get an error . .
15:11<ompaul>Nietzschette: I'm going to guess that either part is over 8 years old
15:12<Nietzschette>very well could be
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15:12<ompaul>give it a lone of a newer monitor
15:12<ompaul>you can ssh into it if you need to do stuff
15:13<ompaul>basically X has changed in that time and unless you install really old software (never a good idea) you are going to waste a lot of time on it
15:13<Nietzschette>I'll try ssh in a bit . . . .
15:13<Nietzschette>all I need to do is set it to the lowest resolution
15:13<Nietzschette>i've got a distorted bash
15:14<Nietzschette>or I could use the grub . . .
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15:17<Nietzschette>thanks paul! this looks like it'll work
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15:21<veindrain>is it possible to install debian with both efi and bios support? and have it start in accordance to what my motherboard settings are?
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15:23<dave>wie gehts?
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15:32<exh>is there a way to use blank hostname?
15:33<ompaul>exh: no, you can give it a generic name perhaps replace-me and then when the box goes on a network it gets a new name?
15:34<ompaul>exh: some magic scripts needed but not too hard to effect
15:34<exh>ompaul, but i had blank hostname on lmde mint without a problem
15:34<exh>why can i have it on wheeze
15:34<exh>diferent kernel maybe?
15:35<ompaul>exh: no, and lmde isn't doing it right - you should have one something for localhost to bind to, what is it you really want with this?
15:35<ompaul>but then lmde is not debian
15:35<exh>no point
15:35<exh>i just want blank hostname
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15:35<exh>so i can't be seen on a network
15:36<exh>i know workaround
15:36<ompaul>nmap will find the machine
15:36<exh>i can set static ip
15:36<ompaul>the fact it doesn't have a name
15:36<ompaul>may just get it slapped by the network admin
15:37<ompaul>so what you want to do is effect /etc/hosts
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16:07<Nietzschette>i don't know if this will work afterall . . . again, my grub video settings are fine, it's just distorted when i get to my bash. how do I lower the initial resolution of debian?
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16:09<Nietzschette>all the online documentation seems to adjust the video settings for grub
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16:13<Nietzschette>luckily i'm very patient
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16:16<linuxator>Nietzschette, tried that one?
16:16<Nietzschette>not yet
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16:17<linuxator>that one should work :)
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16:18<Nietzschette>no, still no difference
16:19<Nietzschette>when I reach my login, the screen distorts and is barely readable
16:20<stderr_dk>Nietzschette: Can you check your /proc/cmdline and see if the vga=... option is there?
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16:22<Nietzschette>i can type vbeinfo . . .
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16:23<Nietzschette>ppmn (plwease parded my noobness)
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16:25<darsho>tried shutdown -h now and it didnt work
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16:32<linuxator>darsho, you have to be root (or sudo)
16:32<darsho>i did
16:32<Nietzschette>no, i see no such option . . . or i don't know how to check /proc/cmdline
16:32<darsho>it says ubuntu and the dots go white but it stays on
16:33<planetmaker>ubuntu is not debian :)
16:33<stderr_dk>Nietzschette: It's a one-line text-file, so cat /proc/cmdline should work.
16:34<Nietzschette>file not found
16:35<linuxator>darsho, try #ubuntu if you are on ubuntu OS on freenode
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16:36<Nietzschette>I'm at the grub . . . nowhere near logging on yet
16:37<Nietzschette>so I don't think I have a cmdline booted yet?
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16:37<stderr_dk>Nietzschette: You have to boot first.
16:38<Nietzschette> . . .
16:38<Nietzschette>hence my problem
16:38<Nietzschette>when I boot, the screen resolution defults to > my oldschool monitor's capabilities
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16:39<stderr_dk>Can you boot and then log in using ssh?
16:39<Nietzschette>and thus renders bash unreadable
16:39<stderr_dk>Or boot, log in, copy /proc/cmdline to somewhere else, reboot from a live-CD and then read the copy you made?
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16:44<Nietzschette>i'll try ssh, but, it sounds so much more complicated than addressing the issue locally'
16:44<unknown-->Hello. I'm using debian squeeze and I would llike to install an anti-virus. Which one do you suggest?
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16:45<planetmaker>best anti-virus is an update to wheezy :)
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16:45<stderr_dk>Nietzschette: You're only logging in using ssh, because you can't see what's on your screen when you log in locally.
16:46<valdyn>unknown--: serious anti-virus does not exist
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16:47<unknown-->So, what should I do to secure my computer? While I was using windows, I knew how to check whether or not there was some kind of malware running on my computer. I am new to linux.
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16:47<valdyn>unknown--: make sure there is no weak passwords
16:48<unknown-->Also, some time ago, I asked for something and a guy suggested me to disable pv6 (this is what I think it was called). Will this affect my firewall?
16:48<unknown-->valdyn, I have my user password disabled..
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16:48<unknown-->what to do?
16:48<valdyn>unknown--: i dont think so
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16:48<valdyn>unknown--: if you had it disabled, then you could not log in
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16:49<valdyn>unknown--: having your gdm log in autmatically is not the same
16:49<Nietzschette1>yeah, the router isn't even getting a signal from the debbie . . .
16:50<unknown-->valdyn, I can't install anything without my password. Does that mean that I am ok?
16:50<valdyn>unknown--: no, but you probably are ok
16:50<stderr_dk>unknown--: He probably said IPv6.
16:51<unknown-->Hah, right. And I think that it was you, stderr_dk.
16:51<stderr_dk>Nietzschette: Do you know if it works when you boot from a live CD?
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16:52<unknown-->So, I have another question. Let's say that I get in an infected website, that has windows viruses. What happens? Does the virus just download itself and then doesn't run?
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16:52<valdyn>unknown--: not it cant run
16:52<valdyn>unknown--: no it cant run
16:53<stderr_dk>unknown--: You're very unlikely to get virus on your Linux computer.
16:53<unknown-->Anyway, in the worst case, they will get my family photos and make me famous ;). And, just to be sure, how to find out if the firewall is running?
16:54<valdyn>unknown--: you dont need a firewall
16:54<Nietzschette1>hey this is interesting . . . . after bashing the keyboard repeatedly i've mananged to get some text on the screen to be simi readable, albeit barely. it's hard to make out, but I can log in now, and I type cat /proc/cmdline and i get a barely readable string
16:54<planetmaker>well... you do. But the system ships with one
16:54<valdyn>unknown--: this antivirus thing and this firewall thing is business selling their product (anti-virus), its nothing you need
16:54<planetmaker>or rather a sensible network config
16:55<Nietzschette1>i just had to push the prompt down a few lines
16:55<valdyn>unknown--: theres also "real" firewalls, but thats something else
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16:55<Nietzschette1>it's just super small and itterates several times . ..
16:55<stderr_dk>Nietzschette1: Can you copy /proc/cmdline to somewhere? (Without being able to see what you're typing...)
16:56<Nietzschette1>no, I dont see vbe = anything
16:56<stderr_dk>How about vga=...?
16:56<Nietzschette1>or that
16:56<Nietzschette1>none of that
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16:57<Nietzschette1>I doo see BOOT_IMAGE ~etc~ no quiet
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16:57<unknown-->valdyn, is it possible to get my machine infected by a .chm file, for example? This is possible with windows. I think that if I will run a linux virus, it will just run until I reboot my computer (since I won't install it). Is this correct?
16:58<valdyn>unknown--: no
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16:58<stderr_dk>unknown--: Depends what virus it is, but since they are so rare on Linux, you'll most likely NEVER see any of them.
16:59<valdyn>unknown--: if you have say an ssh server running, and have a weak password on a commmon user name, you will have a "virus" in no time, even if the "virus" never gets root
16:59<valdyn>unknown--: installing and running a program needs no root permissions
17:00<valdyn>( or actually you might be behind an internet router and
17:00<valdyn>even a weak ssh password will not make you get "infected" )
17:01<Nietzschette1>just accept the virus
17:01<stderr_dk>valdyn: You probably don't mean router. Maybe NAT?
17:01<Nietzschette1>let it be part of your machine
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17:02<unknown-->Yeah, Nietzschettel, let these Indians (not meant to be racist) check your files ;)
17:02<valdyn>stderr_dk: I dont want to talk technical jargon that he does not understand.
17:03<Nietzschette1>you'll find nothng here but lesbian porn, sorry :/
17:03<stderr_dk>valdyn: No, but on the other hand, he might check if he has an internet router, found out that he has and then fell safe... Without being safe.
17:04<valdyn>stderr_dk: now that seems highly unlikely, but sure its one possibility
17:04<stderr_dk>What's unlikely?
17:05<valdyn>that a home user has an internet router that is not doing NAT and thus multiple public ips
17:05<valdyn>maybe in ipv6-land (asia?)
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17:06<stderr_dk>Some connections only allow one computer. In that case you don't need NAT and could get a public, routable IP-address.
17:07<valdyn>unknown--: if you are reading this discussion you can probably see that its more complex than I can tell you about on irc - best follow the usual best practises, like strong passwords, no servers you dont need etc..
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17:09<unknown-->Ok, thank you all. I just changed my password to something very complex and will keep it safe handwritten. :]
17:09<nadir>stick it to the screen ...
17:09<unknown-->I will, and I will keep a copy somewhere else as well.
17:09<stderr_dk>unknown--: Can you run this command as root and copy/paste the output on ? netstat -pnat | grep LISTEN
17:09<valdyn>thats actually a better idea than it might seem
17:11<bullgard4> "In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list: * debian-user. 1 bounce out of 114 mails in one day (0%, kick-score is 80%). - If the bounce-rate passes the kick-score, our bounce-detection will forciblyremove your subscription." How can I prevent removing my subscription? I have not changed anything in my mail client for several months.
17:12<stderr_dk>Did you run it as root?
17:12<unknown-->No, give me a second.
17:13<valdyn>bullgard4: why would the mail client be reponsible for a bounce?
17:13<stderr_dk>bullgard4: The mail client is probably not the cause. The mail server might be.
17:13<unknown-->Here, stderr_dk
17:14<valdyn>bullgard4: if the mail server flagged a single mail as spam this can happen - but that wont raise your kick-score high enough to be kicked
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17:14<stderr_dk>unknown--: Ok, port 111 is rpcbind, you probably only need that running, if you're using NFS. (Not to be confused with NTFS).
17:15<stderr_dk>Port 48148 is also used for NFS.
17:15<bullgard4>stderr_dk: I do not operate any mail server. How can I prevent removing my subscription?
17:15<valdyn>bullgard4: read what i said
17:15<stderr_dk>Port 631 is cups, your printer service, but it's only listening on AKA localhost, so no connections to that from the outside.
17:15<valdyn>bullgard4: and... you dont have to do anything (you probably cannot do anything)
17:16<bullgard4>valdyn: Thank you very much for your help.
17:16<stderr_dk>unknown--: If you don't use NFS, stop rpcbind and portmap from running and you should be good to go.
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17:17<unknown-->stderr_dk, how to stop them?
17:18<stderr_dk>The simple solution would be to uninstall "rpcbind".
17:19<valdyn>unknown--: run your "netstat -plunt" as root, that will tell you the program. Then you can use dpkg -S to find the package to remove
17:19<unknown-->Just did it, they are gone.
17:19<unknown-->Thanks :]
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17:21<nadir>You can also run sysv-rc-conf and disable it
17:21<nadir>but would need to install sysv-rc-conf first of all
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17:22<stderr_dk>unknown--: You didn't uninstall cups, did you?
17:24<Nietzschette1>okay, i'm breaking ground, the screen is still distorted, but, thanks to your guidence, I'm able to activate su privilages and open nano
17:24<unknown-->stderr_dk, no, I just removed rpcbind.
17:24<unknown-->No, there's only the cupsd port.
17:25<stderr_dk>How about netstat -pnau ? Can we see the output of that command?
17:26<unknown--> stderr_dk
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17:27<stderr_dk>I guess that's ok... Nothing I would be too worried about.
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17:28<stderr_dk>What's your local IP-address?
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17:29<unknown--> if that's what you are asking for.
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17:30<stderr_dk>unknown--: It was... Any untrusted machines on your LAN?
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17:31<unknown-->stderr_dk? Such as? The other 3 IP's are used? I've not changed my router's password, it has the one that came with.
17:32<unknown-->Not sure if that password is used in all the routers. The router that I use it one of the worsts, in my opinion.
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17:33<Nietzschette1>is there a quick, online bool eval to test if i've got su privialages?
17:33<stderr_dk>If the NAT in your router doesn't forward any ports to your machine, the only other machines that can connect to you are all on your LAN. If you trust those, you're all good.
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17:33<valdyn>Nietzschette1: why would you need an online test for that?
17:33<stderr_dk>Nietzschette1: No. At least not one I would trust.
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17:37<Nietzschette1>okay, so now that I can edit cmdline . . . do I simply append with gfxmode=nxnxn or . . .perhaps something like vga=1x122?
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17:38<stderr_dk>Nietzschette1: The link you got earlier was:
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17:39<unknown-->stderr_dk, where should I upload some print screens? I want to show you something.
17:40<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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17:44<unknown-->stderr_dk, that's the only thing that I can see having something added under NAT on my router.
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17:44<unknown-->port triggering, multi NAT and virtual servers are 'empty'
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17:47<stderr_dk>I might be blind, but I don't see "NAT" anywhere in that image. :-)
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17:50<unknown--> stderr_dk
17:51<stderr_dk>unknown--: Ah... Seems ok.
17:53<stderr_dk>That router configuration web-interface looks a bit like something I had once... Or still have, I haven't touch the config of that router in years, so I can't remember if it was the old interface or not. :-)
17:54<unknown-->stderr_dk, this router has serious lSSUES!
17:55<stderr_dk>Zyxel, right?
17:55<unknown-->I have to reset it daily because it won't connect, and sometimes when I reset it, its lights just flicker and it won't turn on normally, until I reset it for at least 20 times.
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17:56<Nietzschette1>okay, it still won't give me write permission for /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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17:57<stderr_dk>Nietzschette1: Are you root?
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17:58<Nietzschette1>thought so
17:58<Nietzschette1>su mysusername
17:58<Nietzschette1>and then pass
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18:00<stderr_dk>Is "mysusername" == "root"?
18:01<stderr_dk>Otherwise you just switched to that user instead.
18:02<Nietzschette1>ugg sorry I'm such a noob
18:04<unknown-->BTW, stderr_dk, are you familiar with sane?
18:04<stderr_dk>The scanner stuff? No, haven't used it in 10+ years.
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18:09<Nietzschette1>okay, do I adjust video mode within the brakets of the load_video function, or do I just append the file with set "gfxmode=n" near the end
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18:10<Nietzschette1>that web page seems ambigious
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18:13<unknown-->Let me help you, Nietzschettel ;) stderr_dk ^
18:13<Nietzschette1>ahh, sweet
18:14<Nietzschette1>well, it appears I can't even set self to a superuser!
18:14<Nietzschette1>i'm worthless!
18:14<unknown-->Don't worry. I don't know what a superuser is.
18:15<Nietzschette1>or. . . a root user
18:15<unknown-->It seems that I know what a super user is.
18:16<stderr_dk>Nietzschette1: su without any arguments and then type roots password.
18:16<stderr_dk>If your root account doesn't have a password, use sudo -s instead, if you want a shell. (Or just type sudo in front of each command you want to run as root.)
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18:17<Nietzschette1>oh wow, that was way helpful
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18:18<unknown-->Did you try to type just su?
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18:18<unknown-->Try su
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18:18<Nietzschette1>well, i just did sudo nano /boot/grub/grub.cfg
18:18<Nietzschette1>and it's no longer giving me the no write warning, so I think i'm in the clear
18:19<stderr_dk>You are...
18:19<stderr_dk>And I agree that the page isn't the best page I have ever read...
18:20<Nietzschette1>it's a start, though
18:20<stderr_dk>I also just noticed that it's from 2009, so things might have change... :-/
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18:21<Nietzschette1>I just don't know how bad i'm going to mess things up if I insert those commands the website gives me into the wrong location
18:22<Nietzschette1>I suppose, sense i'm adjusting video settings, i'd be adjusting the load_video function
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18:24<Nietzschette1>hmmm, the command update-grub doesn't appear to work
18:24<Elvano>What is the safest way to install Steam on Wheezy?
18:25<stderr_dk>Nietzschette1: As root?
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18:26<stderr_dk>Nietzschette1: From what I can see, /etc/default/grub would be the place to set the screen resolution. But then again, I never had that problem, so I haven't tried.
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18:27<Nietzschette1>of corse
18:27<Nietzschette1>you've been super useful
18:28<sney>the debian wiki has a mention of setting the framebuffer resolution from grub, for drivers that don't do kms properly (or not at all)
18:28<sney>I've been able to find it by googling 'grub2 and the vga parameter' since the wiki's own search is garbage
18:29<Nietzschette1>okay, all that didn't appear to work, so I'll try that file
18:30<Elvano>I have found a way, but it involves installing libs from the experimental repo. And I don't want to go there at any cost
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18:31<stderr_dk>Elvano: Have you checked backports?
18:31<sney>oh, that's that libc6 steam requirement
18:31<Elvano>About the libc6 requiremebnt
18:32<Nietzschette1>no . . . system keeps itself at > 800x600
18:32<sney>well, I installed the experimental one and it didn't break anything for me... though I wouldn't recommend it
18:33<Nietzschette1>or, perhaps the problem is elsewhere
18:33<Elvano>That's what I thought as well, sney
18:33<stderr_dk>Nietzschette1: Have you tried running vbeinfo from grub?
18:33<sney>theoretically, valve's own libc6 package should work on wheezy, since they used wheezy as a base
18:34<Elvano>Lol, you're saying I should sniff SteamOS's repo for it?
18:34<sney>it's publicly available
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18:34<Elvano>worth a try I guess
18:34<Nietzschette1>my resolution is fine so long as I stay in grub
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18:35<Elvano>I'll check it out and let you know how that went (unless it breaks my system)
18:35<stderr_dk>Elvano: Maybe just add their repo as a source and run an upgrade? (I wouldn't... But then again, I don't care about Steam at all...)
18:35<stderr_dk>Nietzschette1: But what resolutions does it say you can use?
18:35<sney>well if he wanted to use steamOS he could just use steamOS
18:36<stderr_dk>Good point...
18:36<[machine]>stderr_dk: if you want to run steamos on non-efi hardware, that's the easiest way to do it (upgrade from wheezy)
18:36<sney>the other option is using a testing-unstable mix and including that libc6 from experimental. it's also able to be rebuilt for testing
18:36<Elvano>I don't want to run SteamOS. only have one game on it.
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18:36<Nietzschette1>a bunch . . .from 800x600 .. 1600x1200
18:37<stderr_dk>Could a chroot be an option?
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18:37<[machine]>should work
18:37<stderr_dk>Nietzschette1: And you picked one of those for the GRUB_GFXMODE?
18:38<stderr_dk>Nietzschette1: BTW: Stupid question: You did remove the # from the beginning of the GRUB_GFXMODE=... line i /etc/default/grub, right?
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18:39<[machine]>#steamos on the freenode might be a better place to ask these questions.. folk there have been hacking steamos onto unsupported tin since it was released
18:39<Nietzschette1>okay, lemmy log back in
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18:40<Nietzschette1>it's awfully hard to read the text, so give me a minute
18:41<Elvano>Suppose that this libc6 breaks my system. Should i be able to repair it?
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18:43<Nietzschette1>yeah, still no change
18:44<Nietzschette1>although, now that I go back to my grub.cfg, my changes appear to have been reset
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18:45<G[zero]D>hi all
18:46<Nietzschette1>although, i don't know if this grub.cfg is the right file to be adjusting
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18:47<Elvano>Well thanks. I've installed the experimental one =/ Need to disable the repo right away, though
18:49<stderr_dk>Nietzschette1: I think /etc/default/grub and/or /etc/grub.d/* are the files you want to edit.
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18:54<Nietzschette1>yeah . . . it'd be helpful if the auther of the webpage included lineno . . . but honestly i'm glad to just be able to log in at this point :P
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18:55<Nietzschette1>okay, right now I'm in /etc/grub.d/00_header
18:55<stderr_dk>Line numbers can be tricky. They can easily change from one release to the next. And if you yourself add some stuff...
18:55<Nietzschette1>yeah, you're right about that
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18:58<Nietzschette1>iwell, i'm studying this script . . . i don't know exactly what I should change or where, so I suppose this is where the scientific method steps in . . .
18:58<stderr_dk>Nietzschette1: How about /etc/default/grub, line 10 or so: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" Maybe add the vga=791 (or whatever) there?
18:59*stderr_dk is really just guessing right now... If anyone has a clue, please speak up...
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19:01<Nietzschette1>are you kidding? I'm having a blast
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19:02<Nietzschette1>okay, i found the line in question
19:03<Nietzschette1>do I add vga 1x122?
19:04<Nietzschette1>i'll try it
19:04<stderr_dk>Where did you get that number?
19:04<Nietzschette1>it was a reference number to the desired screen resolution
19:05<Nietzschette1>I suppose Ill just add the correct screen resolution
19:05<stderr_dk>It doesn't make much sense to me...
19:05<stderr_dk>It's clearly not pixels... And not hex either...
19:06<Nietzschette1>err, not resolution . . . the DIMENTIONS
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19:07<stderr_dk>You could try vga=ask
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19:08<Nietzschette1>okay, do I put that in cmdline_linux or cmdline_linux_default
19:09<stderr_dk>It should be either "ask" or a number (either as decimal or hex, maybe octal is supported too, I don't know)
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19:09<stderr_dk>In any case: 1x* doesn't make sense.
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19:11<Nietzschette1>okay, now it says ask is not supported and won't let me log in
19:11<stderr_dk> and have (some of) the numbers.
19:11<stderr_dk>It's it "e" to edit the options?
19:12<Nietzschette1>is this where I should be making these adjustments?
19:12<stderr_dk>Try "vga=769", 784, 785 or 786.
19:12<stderr_dk>It's a one-time thing.
19:13<stderr_dk>The changes won't be saved.
19:13<Nietzschette1>yeah, i can't log in now
19:14<Nietzschette1>alghough the resolution for grub did change suddenly
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19:14<stderr_dk>If it also complains about vga=769 and the other values, remove vga=... completely from that line, boot and remove it from /etc/default/grub.
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19:16<Nietzschette1>no no no, i think there something vital going on
19:16<Nietzschette1>vital ignored^
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19:16<Nietzschette1>I apear to have successfully adjusted my grub's resolution
19:17<Nietzschette1>but the problem with the screen being too big after booting is the real issue
19:20<Nietzschette1>i don't mind trial and error, it's just weird trying to learn on this ancient tech where the resolution isn't resolved
19:20<Nietzschette1>I suppose maybe a day job? and save up to BUY a modern monitor?!?!
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19:21<Nietzschette1>but, being surrounded by all this ancient tech, I feel more compelled to learn how to recycle it than just toss it out, ya know?
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19:21<stderr_dk>Nietzschette1: You had to remove vga=... completely in other to boot, right?
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19:24<Nietzschette1>i'm able to log in again
19:25<Nietzschette1>so, I can edit files. I just feel like editting grub files is the wrong approach . . .
19:25<Nietzschette1>like, it's my terminal which needs to be adjusted
19:25<Nietzschette1>I've made my grub resolution bigger through your guidance, which in itself is cool
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19:26<stderr_dk>Too bad you don't know if you removed vga=... completely to boot or if you left it at vga=some number.
19:27<Nietzschette1>well, there wasn't any value for vga initially
19:27<stderr_dk>No, I know it was vga=ask.
19:28<stderr_dk>But changing that to a number changed the resolution of grub?
19:28<stderr_dk>Very odd...
19:29<stderr_dk>It shouldn't change anything in grub, only the resolution used _after_ you select to boot linux.
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19:30<Nietzschette1>I suppose I'll just keep playing around with the header scripts and cfg files until something works
19:30<Nietzschette1>you've been very helpful already
19:32<stderr_dk>I read somewhere that "vga=..." might not be supported, if you use "linux" and "initrd" and that you had to use "linux16" and "initrd16" instead... But right now I can't find it again.
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19:36<Nietzschette1>I'll keep this window open incase something pops
19:39<Nietzschette1>okay, at the beginning it says default is 640x480,8 bit
19:39<Nietzschette1>which is fine
19:40<Nietzschette1>it's not grub resolution I need to change, it's debian itself
19:40<stderr_dk>It says "The default _Linux_ video mode..."
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19:44<Nietzschette1>updating . . .
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19:45<Nietzschette1>no, no change
19:45<Nietzschette1>well, the grub resolution changed
19:46<Nietzschette1>when I change those entries
19:46<Nietzschette1>but when I get to bash, it's still the wrong resolution
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19:47<Nietzschette1>I thought this would be a fairly easy fix
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19:48<stderr_dk>Nietzschette1: What resolution did you pick? Try another one and see if that helps. You could even try 640x480 even if it should be the default. Just to see if it makes any difference at all.
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19:53<Nietzschette1>I've got a lot of friends who are . . . shall I say 'latfo worthy? Anyway, they're swiming in junky old monitors and old towers and i thought it would be a neat project to make these things usable again, rather than throgh them away, ya know?
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19:53<stderr_dk>Yes, I know how much "junk" I got stored... :-/
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19:57<Nietzschette1>worth a blog, atleast
19:59<Nietzschette1>well, i gatta go right now, I suppose I'll try again some othertime
19:59<stderr_dk>Ok. See you...
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20:00<Nietzschette1>ta ta
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23:28<teward>I submitted a bug to the BTS via email, but I used the wrong email address in the "Send from" field (since I have multiple email accounts I can send from)... is there any way to change what the "Reported by" address is so that it actually uses the correct email address?
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23:29<Nietzschette>new user here, could use help with ol' debbie . . .
23:31<chealer>teward: you can try
23:32<teward>chealer, so, just email control AT, containing submitter BUGNUM new-email ?
23:32<teward>should i email from the address I originally submitted the bug on, or is that not necessary?
23:32<chealer>teward: indeed. unnecessary
23:33<teward>chealer, awesome, i'll try that and see what the system says
23:33<SamB>you merely need to avoid using any of the small number of banned addresses (assuming they're banned by email address)
23:34<teward>SamB, yeah, the only fault was the @domain part of the email address, since I have a couple domains, but I've used them in the past, I don't think the email addresses are banned)
23:34<teward>kinda easy to screw up when using certain clients that default-use a specific email address :/
23:35<SamB>yeah, if you were banned you'd probably know it
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23:35<teward>yeah it'd bounce the attempt back saying "Bad email address: [reason]"
23:35<teward>i've had that happen before
23:35<SamB>and I wasn't kidding about "small number"
23:36<teward>it also blocks based on the part before the @ too, i know admin@* will fail, made that mistake twice before
23:37<SamB>hmm, well, I meant addresses of actual people ;-)
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23:37<teward>well, that too :P
23:38<SamB>I believe that there are some people who actually managed to get banned from
23:38<Nietzschette>does anyone know what file do I need to adjust my screen's resolution?
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23:40<dizzylizzy>Nietzschette, that depends on where you are wanting this adjustment to take place; are you using a terminal/framebuffer, or are you using X? Are you using a specific desktop environment (gnome/xfce/kde/etc)
23:41<teward>SamB, heh, I don't doubt it, but I bet those emails are banned from the BTS completely, so...
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23:41<teward>SamB, the BTS is taking a while to respond though... maybe I screwed up the syntax or something
23:41<teward>random ASCII or smth...
23:41<Nietzschette>I'm using a terminal framebuff
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23:42<Nietzschette>i believe
23:42<Nietzschette>plugged right into the machine
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23:42<Nietzschette> . . . although I'm contacting you now from a different computer altogether
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23:43<teward>SamB, chealer: That worked, using the `submitter` command to control@, thanks.
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23:44<Nietzschette>I searched online, but could only find ways of adjusting my grub's dimensions
23:45<Nietzschette>when I achieve terminal login is when the resolution jumps to something my monitor has problems with
23:45<Nietzschette>I can still read the terminal output . . . barely
23:45<SamB>Nietzschette: odd
23:46<SamB>Nietzschette: it really changes AFTER you type your username and password?
23:46<Nietzschette>just before it prompts me
23:46<Nietzschette>after the boot
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23:49<SamB>Nietzschette: are you using the normal sysvinit?
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23:50<Nietzschette>how could this be determined?
23:52<SamB>not quite sure
23:52<Nietzschette>one question at a time, I suppose
23:53<SamB>did you install systemd?
23:53<SamB>or, rather, is it installed?
23:53<Nietzschette>you're gonna hate me
23:53<Nietzschette>but i've been addicted to windows
23:54<Nietzschette>anyway, because i'm dealing with a old machines
23:54<SamB>it probably isn't
23:55<Nietzschette>but I went ahead and got a recent iso
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23:55<dpkg>well, init is the init daemon, or ask me about <runlevels>, or <inittab>
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23:56<Nietzschette>give me a command
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23:57<Nietzschette>i've managed to login and figure some basic commands and editing through nano already
23:57<Nietzschette>and I like what i've learned so far
23:58<Nietzschette>but . . . this screen . . . it's just hard to work with and I could really do well to lower the display resolution to 800x600
23:59*SamB decides to stop guessing and google ...
23:59<Nietzschette>I don't need gui or anything for my current purposes
23:59<SamB>hmm, I don't know :-(
23:59*SamB has to do something else now
23:59<Nietzschette>I've tried editing /etc/default/grub and grub.h/00_header and . . .
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