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#debian IRC Logs for 2013-12-28

---Logopened Sat Dec 28 00:00:04 2013
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00:00<SamB>snogglethorpe: well, if you copied ALL the files ...
00:00<SamB>but that doesn't work too well if you also want to upgrade stuff, obviously
00:00<snogglethorpe>SamB: are they split up between "user state" and "system state you'd better not stomp on"?
00:00<SamB>I have no idea
00:00<SamB>I don't actually have one
00:00<bjb>I'm just starting to explore the topic ... so I don't have the answer to "generalized concept for backup". But my preliminary research says "no"
00:01<snogglethorpe>on my phone at least, a lot of stuff is storedon the SD card, and mayvbe that's relatively safe to fool around with
00:01<snogglethorpe>(system stuff is probably more on the phone's internal flash)
00:01<bjb>I suppose I'd better do the full backup of the old system, then do some trials with new ones. I can always fall back to the old system I suppose
00:01<snogglethorpe>it definitely seems like an area they should work on
00:02<snogglethorpe>man, they should hire me, then I can work on it!
00:02<bjb>I believe they have no intention of cutting into their revenue stream like that
00:02<bjb>so it's really up to us
00:02<snogglethorpe>why does it cut into their revenue stream?
00:02<bjb>but we don't get paid : -P
00:03<bjb>If I kept my contacts on my phone, and saved them to my computer, they would have no opportunities to serve me ads
00:03<bjb>or charge me for premium services
00:03<SamB>snogglethorpe: also because they'd have to pay you
00:03<bjb>(ah, nirvana. Not to mention less surveillance)
00:03<snogglethorpe>i dunno, i never noticed any ads in my contact list or etc
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00:04<bjb>Ok, tailor ads for me and my friends/I mean contacts.
00:05<snogglethorpe>but they already have the concept of a phone-only contact list
00:05<snogglethorpe>and take some care to preserve the distinction
00:05<bjb>And, do you get to back it up to your computer?
00:05<bjb>What app are you using?
00:05<snogglethorpe>bjb: no, I haven't backed it up
00:06<bjb>rats. I was hoping to save myself some work
00:06<snogglethorpe>bjb: tho i haven't tried, so I don't know that it is / isn't possible
00:06<bjb>for android contacts, I have saved to /mnt/sdcard/00001.vcf
00:07<bjb>So I will be able to copy that off. Then on to the other apps, one by one
00:07<snogglethorpe>but the general issue of "backing up local app state in case i change phones [lose phone etc]" is something that there's clearly a need for, and I don't think is particularly threatening to their business
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00:08<bjb>I think the cloud suppliers (google, yahoo etc) want us all to use their clouds for everything. Handy for them. Handy for surveillance. Not what I want.
00:08<snogglethorpe>indeed, there's probably an incentive to make changing phones as smooth as possible, so you can buy new ones more easily :]
00:08<snogglethorpe>bjb: right, and for many purposes, the cloud is nicer, but there's still a lot of local state that should be handled better
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00:09<snogglethorpe>they can't store _everything_ in the cloud, because you need some state to access the cloud in the first place
00:09<bjb>And it's Really Hard to find decent apps for android that don't talk to the cloud for pretty much everything. The android calendar cannot be used without talking to the cloud, as far as I can tell
00:09<SamB>this is why they should let you use your own cloud
00:09<snogglethorpe>well the android calendar's pretty awful anyway...
00:10<bjb>And every alternative I looked at stores the data on someone else's server. I still use another device for my calendar.
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00:10<snogglethorpe>SamB: well "the cloud" as far as it is, is an app-specific notion, so of course there's nothing stopping people from making such an app...
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00:13<bl4ckdu5t>How can I replace iceweasel with the real firefox
00:13<snogglethorpe>bl4ckdu5t: download FF from the FF website?
00:13<SamB>bl4ckdu5t: why would you want to do that?
00:14<SamB>we don't support that here you know
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00:15<bl4ckdu5t>SamB: I'm a web developer and the developer tools don't work as fine as they should on iceweasel
00:15<SamB>hmm, well, you're certainly welcome to give it a shot of course ...
00:15<dpkg>Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian, ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. For actual Mozilla Firefox® support, try #firefox on For the latest and greatest versions of Iceweasel, ask me about <>.
00:16<bl4ckdu5t>Also, I was happy when firefox came up with the new download addon that doesn't have to pop up a dialog when there are new downloads. Unfortunately, iceweasel does that
00:18<bjb>bl4ckdu5t: What version of iceweasel and debian are you running?
00:19<bjb>bl4ckdu5t: might you benefit from using debian-backports?
00:19<bjb>bl4ckdu5t: this solution would be to run a newer version of iceweasel on your existing debian platform - if you're not already doing that
00:20<bl4ckdu5t>I'm on debian 7.2
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00:20<bl4ckdu5t>iceweasel 17.0.9
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00:21<SamB>,v iceweasel
00:21<judd>Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 24.2.0esr-1; experimental: 26.0-1
00:21<SamB>hmm, so not backports
00:21<dpkg>The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel (also Icedove and Iceape) are at for squeeze and wheezy or in <experimental> for jessie and sid.
00:21<bjb>bl4ckdu5t: Latest stable is 7.3. You can get it with apt-get update; apt-get upgrade. Not sure what version of iceweasel you'll get.
00:21<bjb>Ah SamB has the magic incantation for that
00:22<SamB>bl4ckdu5t: see
00:23<bl4ckdu5t>I get this after apt-get update 'W: GPG error: wheezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <>'
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00:26<bl4ckdu5t>Why should I get that?
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00:30<SamB>bl4ckdu5t: well, some guy had the same problem in this log:
00:32<SamB>based on how he seems to have solved it, I'd guess something got corrupted along the way somehow ...
00:32<LtL>bl4ckdu5t: try apt-get install debian-archive-keyring
00:33<EmleyMoor>It might help not to cross-post between the IRC networks too...
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00:36<LtL>no big deal
00:37<bl4ckdu5t>LtL: I have the latest version of that installed already
00:37<LtL>bl4ckdu5t: must be a stale mirror, try changing
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00:40<LtL>bl4ckdu5t: try debian-keyring
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00:41<LtL>nah, thats probably not it
00:41<bl4ckdu5t>LtL: Here's my /etc/apt/sources.list file if something there isn't meant to be
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00:44<LtL>looks ok
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00:47<Fenhl>Hello, I'm currently setting up a debian installation for dual-booting with Windows 7
00:48<Fenhl>I resized one of the partitions so that I could install debian on the free space, but the free space now shows up as unusable
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00:48<Fenhl>any ideas on how to make the free space usable?
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00:50<LtL>Fenhl: try fixing it with win7 disk management
00:50<Fenhl>so I just abort the install and boot back into Windows?
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00:51<Fenhl>LtL: ^
00:51<LtL>Fenhl: i think i would, clean up the disk. how far in the instal did you get
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00:52<Fenhl>LtL: I did all the options in the order listed, up to “Partition disks”
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00:53<LtL>as long as grub wasn't installed you should be able to boot win7 and fix the drive then start over
00:53<Fenhl>I also tried to configure remote install at the “download installer components” step, but that didn't work (I get connection refused on ssh)
00:54<LtL>Fenhl: you should show space un-allocated if all goes well
00:54<LtL>from windows
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01:07<Fenhl>LtL: can you help me with the Windows disk management?
01:08<Fenhl>I'm seeing 5 “partitions” on the disk, the 3rd being the “not assigned” I just created
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01:20<Fenhl>so if I try to create a partition on this “not assigned” space, I get a warning about the drive being converted to a dynamic drive, will I be able to install debian on this?
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01:38<Fenhl>okay, so I resized Windows “Boot” partition again so that it takes up the remaining space
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01:40<Guest1634>anybody there?
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01:40<Fenhl>if I make the Windows partitions logical partitions, I'll be able to create a fifth partition with debian on it, right?
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01:42<Guest1634>That is correct.
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01:46<jbates58>hi all
01:47<jbates58> just chasing some assisstance on a script im trying to get to run on my debian lenny based system. Its a dns update script to here is the link to the tut, but i think that there is something that is incorrect in the script, as i cant get it to work. or it is possible i am missing something required for it to work. in the script it has "#!/usr/bin/perl" which implies that i need
01:47<jbates58>pearl, and i dont think thats installed. but no where does it mention to get it. the address for the tut is
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01:51<Fenhl>how do I convert the Windows partitions into logical partitions under Windows 7? google is being unhelpful
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01:53<Fenhl>jbates58: I don't know about lenny, but under stable you can just install perl from apt
01:53<jbates58>ok, so i will need pearl then? im new to linux, and peicing it together from guides etc...
01:54<vhadil>help me
01:54<Fenhl>jbates58: why are you on lenny anyway?
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01:55<Fenhl>it's a really old version
01:56<jbates58>because thats what the device uses. well i think its lenny. how can i find out? its a WD MyBookLive home NAS thats running Sabnzb and some other things aswell. but i need to get it to auto update a dns service so that i can remotely access it. i tried the no-ip DUC, but im running into all sorts of problems.
01:57<jbates58>i get this error W: GPG error: squeeze Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA NO_PUBKEY 64481591B98321F9 when running apt-get update. and inorder to install the no-ip DUC, i need build essential and i get heaps of errors on that aswell.
01:57<vhadil>I want to try this
01:57<vhadil>please fix, :(
01:58<vhadil>I do not want to install ubuntu, I've been happy with debian
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01:58<Fenhl>jbates58: what's the contents of /etc/debian_version
01:59<Fenhl>so you're on wheezy, not lenny
01:59<Fenhl>oh wait
01:59<jbates58>wrong person
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02:01<vincent_c>jbates58: perl is (should be) installed by default
02:01<Fenhl>jbates58: you're on squeeze
02:01<vincent_c>alternatively, instead of rolling your own custom script, you can simply apt-get install ddclient and use that instead
02:01<jbates58>ok. i'll keep that in mind. i tried running "grep perl" but it took forever and returned no results, so i canceled it
02:02<jbates58>i also have no GUI so everything is done by ssh.
02:02<vincent_c>vhadil: using ubuntu PPAs isn't supported here in #debian
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02:03<jbates58>any clues as to my apt-get update errors?
02:03<vhadil>vincent_c, so,
02:03<vhadil>vincent_c, i cant install thablet-phone-tools
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02:05<vincent_c>jbates58: looks like you're missing some gpg keys in apt's keyring?
02:05<vincent_c>you can check the keys that apt currently sees with 'apt-key list'
02:06<Eryn_1983_FL>hey peeps i got a usb fob, i need to format, but nothing i do formats it ... i tried DD, cfdisk, mkfs, etc
02:06<vincent_c>also, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list, you may have inadvertently added some 3rd party repos without adding their gpg keys
02:06<Eryn_1983_FL>trying it again..
02:06<jbates58>just configuring the ddclient. just want to confirm, when it askes for Dynamic DNS Server, does it want their www address? or the acrual DNS update address?
02:06<SamB>Eryn_1983_FL: what do you mean?
02:06<Eryn_1983_FL>GOT IT
02:07<Eryn_1983_FL>lol mkfs worked, it was corrupted, i think the FS
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02:10<Fenhl>jbates58: there should be an example config for no-ip
02:11<vincent_c>jbates58: it's been a while since I last installed ddclient, so I don't remember exactly what questions are asked during postinst
02:11<vincent_c>but if you mess up, you can always run 'dpkg-reconfigure ddclient'
02:12<vincent_c>or just edit /etc/ddclient.conf directly
02:12<gsimmons>jbates58: The debconf package configuration of ddclient doesn't know about You would want to adjust /etc/ddclient.conf manually after installation.
02:12<jbates58>ah ok. cheers mate. will do. brb
02:13<vincent_c>vhadil: as mentioned before, we don't support Ubuntu PPAs here in #debian, sorry
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02:15<vhadil>oh damn :;(
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02:16<Eryn_1983_FL>how come iceweasel max's a cpu but leaves the others at 1%? i see a bunch of pids for it in my htop but they are doing nothing.
02:19<SamB>Eryn_1983_FL: what release are you on exactly?
02:19<SamB>or are those actually TIDs ...
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02:20<Eryn_1983_FL>I believe so i just killed it and started again
02:20<jbates58>excelent. that works great. now to get it to run every 15min. can i put an entry into cron for that? or is there a better method of doing that?
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02:20<Eryn_1983_FL>they are,
02:20<SamB>Eryn_1983_FL: anyway, I think firefox still has a single JavaScript thread
02:21<SamB>(and iceweasel too, naturally)
02:21<Eryn_1983_FL>thats sucky, facebook, is so freaking slow.. god i hate it
02:21<gsimmons>jbates58: If ddclient is running as a daemon, you can set the interval between updates within /etc/default/ddclient.
02:21<Eryn_1983_FL>well running better now i think
02:22<jbates58>ok. so its better to run as a daemon rather than cron? i have a small knowlge of unix.
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03:05<Ophidian>hi guys, i had some trouble mounting a network NAS on my deb7. i used "mount //ip/folder /folder/" which gave me the error "file or folder does not exist". after googling the subject i found out that i needed to add the -t type so i used "mount -t cifs dev folder" which gives me access to my nas.
03:05<Ophidian>Now te question is why "cifs" and not another type ?
03:06<Ophidian>second, i want it to auto boot on startup, i've added this to the fstab file "//ip/folder /folder/ auto" but this doens't work. What am i doing wrong ?
03:09<stderr_dk>You didn't specify a filesystem in the fstab line.
03:14<stderr_dk>Ophidian: Did that answer your question or are you still stuck?
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03:18<Ophidian>stderr_dk, still stuck (pretty new to linux). why did i need to use cifs for the nas ? and what do i have to add in the fstab ?
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03:19<stderr_dk>You're trying to mount a samba share. CIFS is the filesystem used for samba.
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03:20<stderr_dk>If you were trying to mount a NFS share, you would have used "NFS" as the filesystem. Nothing special there...
03:21<stderr_dk>The fstab line should be something like "//ip/folder /folder cifs defaults".
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03:21<Ophidian>ow ok, the nas is running on linux but is viewable on windows computers so that's probably why i need cifs.. for the fstab line i'll try thx
03:22<stderr_dk>NFS might also be an option on your NAS.
03:22<stderr_dk>You can try with something like mount -t nfs ip:/folder/on/nas /local/path
03:23<stderr_dk>(In fstab that would be "ip:/folder/on/nas /local/path nfs defaults")
03:23<SamB>what about the "auto" option?
03:23<stderr_dk>Part of "defaults".
03:24<Ophidian>i used mount -t cifs //ip/folder /local/ and it works
03:25<Ophidian>just added on the fstab and rebooted the system ....
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03:27<stderr_dk>Ophidian: I think you should try with NFS too. It's a little more "native" to Linux than CIFS.
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03:31<Ophidian>stderr_dk, now my system hangs on boot, apache is running but no SSH or media server up...
03:32<stderr_dk>Where does it hang?
03:32<Ophidian>can't see, no screen, no ssh =)
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03:33<stderr_dk>My guess would be a mistyped IP-address or directory. Wait for the timeout.
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03:37<Ophidian>how long is the timeout exactly ?
03:38<stderr_dk>It isn't up yet? Hmm...
03:38<Ophidian>i had the same problem some time ago, i added a usb mount to the fstab, hanged also ...
03:39<Ophidian>just unplugged the usb to try again later.. :)
03:40<stderr_dk>Next time you change fstab, don't reboot... :-/
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03:51<Ophidian>stderr_dk, why not ? how can i test it otherwise ? :)
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03:52<stderr_dk>"mount //ip/folder" or "mount /folder" would have used the entry in fstab.
03:54<Ophidian>hmz.... how do i mount on startup then ? because i used the mount // before and everything was up and running, but after reboot or shutdown the connection does't come up again
03:54<stderr_dk>The reason for not reboot is that it: 1) Isn't needed and it takes longer. 2) If it doesn't work, you need to wait for a timeout and can't get in a fix the problem while you wait.
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03:55<stderr_dk>Can you connect now?
03:55<Ophidian>putty sais connection refused
03:56<Ophidian>webserver sais it's running, no connection to media server
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03:58<Ophidian>crap i think i have to get the screen to get into the linux .... any ways of connecting a wireless screen connection ? :)
03:58<Ophidian>VGA to WiFi ? :)
03:58<stderr_dk>Ophidian: I don't get it. :-( Even if it failed for some reason, it should still start the other services.
03:59<Ophidian>i'll try again later, gtg now. Thx for the help
03:59<stderr_dk>No problem. I hope you get it working.
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04:39<windowsME>Audio output failed:
04:39<windowsME>The audio device "iec958:CARD=ICH6,DEV=0" could not be used:
04:39<windowsME>No such file or directory.
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04:41<windowsME>^vlc error, from what i understand sound in linux is rough at best, but should i install pulse audio if i already use alsa for everything else?
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04:43<andreasj>windowsME: How about selecting another audio device in VLC?
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04:44<windowsME>andreasj, i tryed all of the options.
04:44<windowsME>even ones i did not know i had,
04:44<windowsME>i also tryed purgeing the pkg and re installing it but no luck
04:45<andreasj>Which audio output module did you select in VLC?
04:46<andreasj>it's under Tools => Preferences => Audio
04:47<windowsME>alsa, pulseaudio (not installed) , memory audio, alsa oss, dummy output etc, i tryed them all
04:48<windowsME>it worked a while back, but i think i had pulse audio installed back then
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04:50<windowsME>i would re install pulseaudio but from what i can remember i think it was breaking other things, xfce-mixer alsamixer and my sound wouldt work in webbrowser, eg: youtube
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04:55<windowsME>plez help meh im on the verge of doing something terrible, like installing..... ubuntu :'(
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04:58<musca>windowsME: please show the content of your /proc/asound/cards on
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05:20<jbates58>@ vincent_c - if you are still online here is my sources.list also my apt-get update error is W: GPG error: squeeze Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA NO_PUBKEY 64481591B98321F9
05:20<jbates58>or if anyone can help me out with this, it would be great.
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05:24<Ryccardo>jbates58: you're missing a signing key -- "debian-keyring" should have them
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05:25<jbates58>do i just run "debian-keyring" in terminal?
05:25<dpkg>Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest GPG key used to sign the Debian archive.
05:25<Ryccardo>no, it's a package name
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05:27<vincent_c>jbates58: try apt-get install --reinstall debian-archive-keyring
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05:31<jbates58>hmmm that seems to have worked. i'll try apt-get update and upgrade. see what the results are.
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05:34<jbates58>well apt-get update succeeded, but apt-get upgrade returned
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05:45<windowsME>musca, srry i got into reading something
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05:49<vincent_c>jbates58: "wd-nas" doesn't seem to be a package provided by debian
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05:50<vincent_c>keep in mind that if you choose to install 3rd party debs and they break your system, we can't really help you
05:51<windowsME>pandora radio is trying to play 3 video ads at the same time lol fail
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05:52<jbates58>fair enough. i just thought since the device ran on debian, that this would be the place to ask about the problems etc... is this not an error that can be easily fixed? or are packages etc... all different depending on what they are installed on?
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05:55<windowsME>musca, ^
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05:56<babilen>jbates58: The package wd-nas ships a file that is also in another official package. That is somethething that would never happen among official packages or, if it does, it would be addressed specifically. The problem you are having is quite specific to wd-nas and the only thing you can do is to get rid of that package.
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05:57<jbates58>and i imagine that doing so would break the wd-NAS?
05:58<babilen>jbates58: I have no idea, but you might be correct in assuming that a "wd-nas" package is somewhat important to it.
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05:58<jbates58>hmmm is there a way to make it over look it?
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06:00<babilen>jbates58: no
06:00<jbates58>i also get another error on my second wdnas when trying to install a package from apt-get. i just went through my first one and set up ddclient, and im trying to do it to my second one, but it keeps comming back with The following packages have unmet dependencies:
06:00<jbates58> libc6-ppc64: Depends: libc6 (= 2.13-38) but 2.11.2-2 is to be installed
06:00<jbates58> locales: Depends: glibc-2.13-1
06:00<babilen>dpkg: tell jbates58 -about bat
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06:03<babilen>jbates58: fwiw, that dpkg package you have there is *severely* outdated and I doubt that you even have a "pure" Debian there that we can support. It is not too uncommon for hardware vendors to create "mini forks / distributions" based on Debian that are simply frozen in time as they didn't work on proper upgrade paths. Either way those systems are hardly supported by us in here, but lets see.
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06:03<windowsME>cat /etc/issue
06:03<jbates58>i therefore assume that you want the entire apt-get command?
06:04<jbates58>and im not sure what the apt-cache policy is. sorry
06:04<jbates58>@ windowsME Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l
06:05<babilen>jbates58: Yes, but I also want to see the output of "apt-cache policy", your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of "dpkg -l libc6 apt|tail -n2" and "cat /etc/debian_version" would come in handy.
06:05<windowsME>your 2 versions short of stable lul
06:05<buff>I'm not sure what I have done, my problem is that I can not start synaptic from the program menu in XFCE. I'm running debian wheezy. I can run synaptic from command line as root. Any direction where to look?
06:05<jbates58>ok. just a sec. i'll give it a shot
06:07<babilen>jbates58: Oh, include "apt-cache policy wd-nas" too please.
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06:09<jbates58>sources.list: apt-cache policy: dpkg -l libc6 apt|tail -n2: cat /etc/debian_version: 5.0.4 apt-cache policy wd-nas:
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06:10<buff>actually I guess it doesn't matter
06:11<musca>buff: are there any messages if you start synaptic as user from command line
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06:12<babilen>jbates58: It helps if you could put it all in one paste in the future. And if you could use ;)
06:12<musca>hi windowsME, so just one card, don't know what's going on
06:12*babilen opens all the tabs
06:12<buff>Authentication is required to run the Synaptic Package Manager
06:12<buff>Authenticating as: root
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06:12<jbates58>@ babilen, ok mate. sorry will do
06:13<babilen>jbates58: yeah, no worries, but it just means that I have all the information in front of me rather than "oh, there was a tab with ..."
06:13<windowsME>buff, did you try gkdu synaptic ??
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06:13<windowsME>if your running it as just root from the terminal, well i know that that sometimes breaks my computer because the xorg gets confused
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06:14<babilen>jbates58: Did you edit the sources.list or did it have squeeze and wheezy in there?
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06:15<jbates58>i havent touched it.
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06:16<babilen>jbates58: That is an extremely broken and unconventional setup in that case. The software you have installed clearly indicates that it is a lenny system, but you have squeeze (release after lenny) and the current stable, wheezy, in there. I wouldn't expect *any* upgrade or installation to work on that system. Furthermore their wd-nas package is severely broken (as per Debian policy) and there is nothing we can do to work around that except from ...
06:17<babilen>... removing that package.
06:17<babilen>dpkg: tell jbates58 -about lenny sources.list
06:18<jbates58>ok, and removing the package will most likley break the nas?
06:18<babilen>jbates58: I would recommend to contact the vendor of that device to ask about proper instructions on how *they* expect you to use that system. It certainly is not one that we can (or want to) support.
06:18<jbates58>i will try to edit the sources.list. and see what that does.
06:19<jbates58>well, the device has no waranty, and im using it beyond their limits. as ssh access voids waranty. (was already voided anyway as i only brough it for the hdd years ago and recently found out that i can re-build it. money for jam realy)
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06:19<babilen>jbates58: You would still have the problem that you are apparently running a wild mix of three releases. Please contact WD as they clearly ship some bastardized version of Debian that is nowhere near a "real" and "pure" one. Sorry for that. But also ask the bot about the other factoids linked in the one it just sent you. In particular <lenny->squeeze> and <squeeze release notes> should be of interest.
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06:21<jbates58>ok, i'll give it a crack. but i dont know alot about linux. so i will see how i go.
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06:21<babilen>jbates58: Well, you can treat it as a "normal" Debian box, remove their customisations and try to upgrade it step-by-step to wheezy. It is, however, quite likely that their wd-nas package ships something that is important to the functionality of the system. So run "dpkg -L wd-nas" and investigate the files it ships, then purge it and reproduce the configuration on your own.
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06:22<babilen>jbates58: Just follow the release notes and make sure to *not* install *a single* package in your current configuration as that will break the system completely. All the best!
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06:23<klaus>ciao a tutti
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06:49<AAP>i m not able to install openFoam in wheezy
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06:49<AAP>i read that its not available for us. is there a way out?
06:49<AAP>i m not able to install openFoam in wheezy
06:50<AAP>i read that its not available for us. is there a way out?
06:51<Ryccardo>doesn't appear to be in sid either, so you'll probably have to compile it yourself
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06:52<AAP>ya, a big task
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06:52<Ryccardo>it's mostly automatic after the hour you dedicate to trial and error installation of libraries!
06:53<AAP>compiling must rather averded , its too much for common man
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07:25<Hicks>Just looking at a package on backports in testing and sid, is there any way to see what's delaying the sid version from moving into testing?
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07:26<arand>Hicks: Well, the pts tends to have a few generic reasons.
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07:27<Hicks>arand: cheers, didn't know about that page :)
07:28<Hicks>it's missing binaries on armel,powerpc and a couple of others
07:28<Hicks>how do they eventually get built? is there an automated build system or does it wait for developers using those systems to rebuild/upload?
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07:32<musca>Hicks: and
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07:33<Hicks>thanks musca :)
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09:24<learningisbest>In my laptop, debian wheezy X windows insists on using the maximum resolution, which is 1400x1280, if I try to lower it to 1024x768 it just makes a small frame within a big 1400x1280 frame, so it doesnn't let me do so. In another laptop whose screen maximum resolution is 1024x768 there's no problem. Can I do anything to limit the maximum resolution of the first laptop to 1024x768 ?
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09:26<towo`>"my laptop" sayes nothing
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09:26<arand>learningisbest: Isn't that normally a hardware limitation of the screen?
09:27<towo`>/var/log/Xorg.0.log would enlighten us
09:27<learningisbest>arand: I think so, but given how X doesn't allow me to lower the resolution I can't think of any other feasible solution
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09:30<learningisbest>arand: I can adjust it by using several complex xrandr commands, but the result does not look as natural as when the system let's you change it in the normal way
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09:31<learningisbest>towo`: the log is in the other computer, I'll see if I can paste it later
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09:35<learningisbest>arand: towo` I think I know what the problem is, looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log I can see that the only modeline it autodetects is 1400x1050 , whereas looking at the log of my other computers (the ones that work well), I can see that it autodetects several modelines
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09:45<exh>where can i find old chromium versions for debian wheezy?
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09:46<towo`>in the snapshots repo?
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09:47<Xylon>Can anyone recommend a good way to monitor how much bandwidth I'm using every month on my Dad's wifi network? I'm using networkmanager.
09:48<exh>towo`, yes but i can't find it on google
09:48<avtobiff>Xylon, cacti? mrtg? classic software iirc
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09:49<avtobiff>Xylon, on what end do you want to measure?
09:49<Xylon>from my computer's end
09:49<Xylon>my netbook
09:50<Xylon>my father wan't to know who's using all the bandwidth, so I told him I'd try to find out
09:50<Xylon>how much I'm using
09:50<exh>towo`, ok i got it thnx
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09:51<Xylon>might be my brother playing WoW
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09:51<stderr_dk>Xylon: A quick-and-dirty solution might be to dump the output of "date ; ifconfig wlan0 | grep 'RX bytes'" in a file from time to time.
09:52<stderr_dk>A small heads-up: On some systems (all?) it wraps around at 4GB.
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09:53<stderr_dk>Or maybe that was just how it used to be a long, long time ago...
09:53<Xylon>well whoever it is has used about 20GB this month
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09:54<stderr_dk>If "ifconfig" on your machine says 20GB, then that's how much you have used.
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09:55<stderr_dk>If "ifconfig" on your machine says 20GB, then that's how much you have used.
09:55<Xylon>well it sais 520.7 MiB but I don't know what time period that is
09:56<stderr_dk>Since the interface was "up"'ed.
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09:56<Xylon>it survives disconnecting and reconnecting wifi (just tested it)
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09:57<Xylon>I'll try hibernate and see if that resets it (I hibernate more often than reboot)
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09:59<Xylon>survives hibernate too
09:59<stderr_dk>Xylon: You might want a "pre-down" command in your /etc/network/interfaces to save those numbers before the interface goes down.
09:59<stderr_dk>I don't think it will survive an ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0
10:00<Xylon>OK I'll try that
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10:03<Xylon>stderr_dk, I actually cannot run those commands after shutting down the wifi with hardware switch:
10:04<Xylon>anyway, I think your "quick and dirty" idea should do the trick
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10:05<stderr_dk>Xylon: I don't use networkmanager. It could be because of that. I'm not sure.
10:05<SynrG>is it the bandwidth on the wifi network that's the issue, or the bandwidth across the internet?
10:06<Xylon>bandwidth across the internet
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10:06<SynrG>what network services other than internet are on your LAN?
10:06<SynrG>file server? ...
10:06<Xylon>I think my father does run some sort of fileserver actually
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10:07<Xylon>but I don't use it
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10:07<SynrG>even if you don't actively use it, if you have smb, the two nodes could be chatting constantly
10:07<stderr_dk>Xylon: Another problem with the quick solution is that, as you said, the numbers survive a suspend. If you use 20GB data before you even go to your dads house, the number will still be 20GB...
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10:08<SynrG>the reliable way of measuring this is at the router
10:08<stderr_dk>SynrG: And DHCP- and DNS-requests too...
10:08<Xylon>Yeah but I live at my dad's house
10:08<stderr_dk>But hey, quick-and-dirty... :-)
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10:09<SynrG>if you want to run wireshark for a while, you can get a sample and extrapolate from that how much of your traffic is local net overhead
10:09<stderr_dk>Xylon: Maybe you take you laptop to school, a friend, library, internet cafe, whatever too...
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10:10<Xylon>I often use my mobile broadband card when out but that uses ppp0
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10:10<Xylon>so most wlan0 should be over my dad's network
10:10<stderr_dk>Maybe an iptable rule that catches everything not from/to the LAN?
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10:11<stderr_dk>... and then iptables -L -nv to see how much that rule catches.
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10:12<Xylon>wow, dude I just ran tcpdump -i wlan0 and there's loads of IPv6 stuff
10:12<Xylon>(I don't think I have IPv6)
10:12<stderr_dk>Clearly you do. :-)
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10:14<stderr_dk>Xylon: Is it fe80:: addresses?
10:14<stderr_dk>fe80:: is link-local.
10:15<whoami_>any suggestions on how to get a wireless usb mouse to work?
10:16<Xylon>whoami_, mine just works
10:16<stderr_dk>whoami_: Turn it on?
10:16<whoami_>mine doesnt
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10:16<Xylon>oh yeah I have to press a button on the receiver thing and on the mouse to make them connect
10:17<stderr_dk>whoami_: Does it show up in lsusb?
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10:17<Xylon>does the box have hilarious system requirements?
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10:17<whoami_>where do i check that?
10:18<Xylon>(I got a DVD writer for christmas and it sais it required windows or OSX and a 2.6Gh processor, works fine in Debian with a 1.6Gh Atom)
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10:18<stderr_dk>whoami_: Open a terminal and run "lsusb".
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10:19<whoami_>no nothing there
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10:20<Xylon>whoami_, unplug it and run lsusb again to see if it changes
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10:20<Xylon>because it might not have a descriptive name
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10:22<whoami_>same result
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10:22<Xylon>OK this is out of my knowledge
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10:23<whoami_>ok thanks anyway
10:23<stderr_dk>Do you need to turn on the receiver or something?
10:25<stderr_dk>Anything in dmesg, when you plug in / remove the receiver?
10:25<whoami_>it works now, changed it between different usb-ports a couple of times, seems to work with just this port
10:26<stderr_dk>Could be a dead USB-port. Not the first time I hear about those. :-/
10:26<whoami_>hm..yeah seems like that. well anyway works now so cheers guys!
10:27<Xylon>I seem to remember my old netbook had a port that didn't work reliably
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10:37<derblenderfreak>I have a question - does xchat just works for xchat channels and not for all on the world ???
10:38<Fenhl>it should work for all channels, not sure what you mean by “xchat channels”
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10:40<derblenderfreak>ok, but I can't reach a channel ???
10:40<derblenderfreak>and I'm sure, I have the true channel name
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10:40<exh>are you on right server?
10:41<exh>is channel locked with password?
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10:43<LtL>Fenhl: how did your disk problem work out?
10:43<Fenhl>LtL: no progress so far
10:43<LtL>Fenhl: whats up
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10:45<Fenhl>LtL: I currently don't have access to the machine, but essentially the problem is that the drive is full of partitions, all of which I'm told are used by Windows
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10:45<LtL>Fenhl: oh my, probably a uefi system
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10:46<Fenhl>LtL: there's one partition with a decent amount of free space which I'm allowed to use for debian, but resizing it just renders it “unusable” as displayed in the debian installer
10:47<Fenhl>LtL: it probably is uefi, yeah
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10:50<exh>guys i am to stupid to install something from snapshot
10:50<exh>can someone help me
10:50<exh>for last 20 hours i am trying to downgrade chromium
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10:52<exh>how can i install this version
10:52<exh>or any version that is not the last one
10:53<exh>if i download it manually and try dpkg -i "package" i get missing dependencies
10:54<exh>if i try to resove them with apt-get -f install i get the last version
10:54<exh>not the one i am trying to install
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10:59<Eco>exh: install the latest properly, and remove only chromium, then install the old version. ( i gues)
11:00<exh>i'll try that now
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11:05<exh>Eco, nope it's not working
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11:05<exh>conflicting packages - not installing chromium
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11:11<Eco>exh: --ignore-depends
11:12<Eco>with dpkg
11:12<exh>o thank you god
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11:12<exh>and you Eco
11:12<Eco>Bless debian !
11:12<exh>bless you!
11:13<Eco>does it work also ?
11:13<stderr_dk>exh: Maybe you should check which version of chromium-inspector you got.
11:13<stderr_dk>judd: v chromium-inspector
11:13<judd>Package: chromium-inspector on i386 -- wheezy: 31.0.1650.63-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 31.0.1650.63-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.0.1650.63-1; sid: 31.0.1650.63-1
11:14<exh>it's working now
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11:14<SamB>wait, what? I didn't know it was allowed not to have that
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11:44<exh>Eco, btw
11:44<exh>i was stupid
11:45<exh>cos i never read errors fully
11:45<exh>it was so easy
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12:32<stderr_dk>caki: Hi. Got a Debian question?
12:33<caki>how do i add a server to xchat
12:34<stderr_dk>A network or a server?
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12:35<stderr_dk>Ctrl+S, Add, type in a name, Edit, Add a server.
12:35<stderr_dk>Something like that...
12:36<caki>do you know how to install Java Runtime on debian weeze
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12:37<caki>I tried but I am no expert on debian
12:37<babilen>dpkg: tell caki about install java
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12:37<babilen>caki: Or install the JDK (default-jdk, openjdk-7-jdk, ...) if you require that.
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12:38<caki>I whant java to work with web browser
12:39<babilen>caki: Ack, please read the message our bot sent you in private.
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12:39<amaldo>Any Debian developers attending the 30c3 Congress in Hamburg? I'm looking for someone who would sign my GPG key so that I can start the process of registering as a DD.
12:41<Ophidian>stderr_dk, i went up to the attic to get an old screen and keyboard, connected everything to the server to se where the system hangs... "configuring network interfaces..." and the system goes idle. Any tips ?
12:42<babilen>amaldo: I am sure that there are quite a bunch - we typically have a table/area specifically for Debian. I'm not there this year, but I am sure that a bunch of people made it down. Try asking the angels if they can point you to the Debian area.
12:44<amaldo>babilen, Thanks. I think I saw a Debian poster on my way to the hardware area. Is it alright to ask the guys sitting there? Or are they annoyed by such requests?
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12:45<stderr_dk>Ophidian: Remind me what the problem was...
12:45<babilen>amaldo: There should be a friendly lady with a rubber chicken, ask her ... but then I would just ask them. Engaging with other people is exactly one of the reasons why we are there ... some of the bearded ones might be grumpy, but just ask!
12:46<Ophidian>stderr_dk, i added the //ip/folder mount to my fstab and rebooted
12:46<babilen>amaldo: Ah, on second thought: The rubber chicken flew over to the US after Debconf and should therefore no longer be with that friendly lady :-/
12:46<caki>någon svensk här som kan hjälpa mig?
12:46<amaldo>babilen, thanks. Sounds like a plan.
12:47<babilen>caki: There is a #debian-sv, but I have no idea how active that is.
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12:47<babilen>caki: Did you read the message our bot sent you?
12:48<caki>bot automatic
12:48<babilen>amaldo: All the best, and tell them greetings from babilen
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12:49<amaldo>babilen, will do. :)
12:49<caki>are all this user a bot?
12:49<stderr_dk>Ophidian: Oh, yeah... I still don't get why the system hangs, but try adding a # in front of the line in /etc/fstab and see if that helps. (I doubt it...)
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12:50<caki>is there a swedesh chanel?
12:50<stderr_dk>caki: dpkg is a bot. It should have send you a private message about java.
12:50<stderr_dk>caki: Maybe #debian-sv
12:51<caki>irc swedesh network
12:51<Ophidian>stderr_dk, problem is i can't get into my server again, i don't get a console. it hangs hang on boot with "configuring network interfaces..."
12:51<caki>how do i add
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12:52<babilen>dpkg: tell caki -about irc tutorial
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12:52<babilen>caki: You want "/join #debian-sv" but there are not many people there.
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12:53<stderr_dk>Ophidian: Can you boot in single user or rescue mode?
12:54<caki>it seem that there are more people here, but they dont speek
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12:55<Ophidian>stderr_dk, i don't know what 'single user' mode is, i'll try to get into rescue mode (i know i can switch that on boot) .... keep in mind that i'm a newie :)
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13:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:10<zx>i have a problem with __ i have an dangerous icon in my screen
13:10<zx>the update information is outdate
13:11<zx>ed.this may be caused by network or by
13:12<zx>or by something else. Is there anyone can tell me why
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13:13<stderr_dk>zx: Try running an aptitude update as root.
13:13-!-root_ [] has joined #debian
13:13<stderr_dk>Or apt-get update, if that's what you're using.
13:13<zx>ubuntu 12.10
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13:13<mtn>heh again
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13:13<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
13:14<stderr_dk>zx: ^
13:14<stderr_dk>No, what?
13:15<zx>i don't understand
13:15<zx>but my software is ok
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13:15<stderr_dk>zx: You're using Ubuntu, so you should ask them...
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13:16<zx>it's the latest
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13:16<devil>still ubuntu :)
13:16<Ophidian>stderr_dk, can't boot into rescue, hang ons network interface
13:16<stderr_dk>zx: I don't think it is, but that doesn't really matter. It's not Debian.
13:16<zx>i'll try that@stdrr_dk
13:16<Hicks>nvidia 319.76 has a sigblk bug filed against it as does the version in experimental, anyone know if it's likley that bug also existed in 304?
13:17<Hicks>I've tried all the driver versions and only 174 wouldn't cause a freeze on my laptop
13:17<stderr_dk>Ophidian: :-( Got a rescue or live CD?
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13:18<Ophidian>lol, no, i'm a newbie :) i started a couple of weeks ago to get a home server up and running
13:18<luckyuser>hey guys
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13:18<luckyuser>quick questions concerning semplice
13:18<luckyuser>where do i find mouse settings and stuff?
13:19<dpkg>Semplice is a GNU/Linux distribution based on Debian <unstable>. It is not suppored in #debian. #semplice on See also <based on debian>.
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13:20<stderr_dk>Ophidian: I don't really have any ideas, if you can get into your system and don't have a rescue CD. :-/
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13:20<Ophidian>hehe, reinstall ? :(
13:20<stderr_dk>And I still don't got why your system would just hang there because of that line in /etc/fstab. It really shouldn't...
13:20<Ophidian>what is / does a rescue CD do ?
13:22<stderr_dk>Just a minimal system bootable from a CD with enough tools to fix the problems.
13:22<Ophidian>which i can dowload and burn ....
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13:22<stderr_dk>Yes. Unless someone has another good idea?
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13:33<darklight_>I had a 7.1 live image laying around tried it live it worked perfectly, I installed it and there's no kms and xorg fails to start with a drm failed to open device error
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13:34<darklight_>I literally just installed and rebooted, it worked perfectly on the live usb
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13:37<Ophidian>stderr_dk, any way to make a ghost once your system is up ?
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13:39<babilen>darklight_: Make sure to install firmware-linux-nonfree if you have an ati gpu ...
13:40<darklight_>babilen: I'm using an nvidia with nouveau
13:40<darklight_>also it woks perfectly fine in the live usb
13:40<darklight_>and it's already an is with the non-free firmware included
13:41<darklight_>so I really have no clue why it's not working
13:42<stderr_dk>Ophidian: Probably, but normally I just make a list of the packages I have installed and a backup of the various config files I change.
13:43<darklight_>babilen: I just tried to reboot into the live usb key, works like a charm, fails with the drm error on the fresh install
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13:45<kev>is there anybody here who can help me with grub?
13:45<kev>im trying to start off my project
13:45<kev> but im stuck
13:45<kev>everything works...except that the kernel doesn't boot
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13:45<mtn>kev: if kernel doesn't boot, nothing works ;)
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13:46<kev>its not about linux kernel
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13:47<kev>im doing a primitive kernel suitable for leaning for students and experimenting as project
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13:47<darklight_>babilen: any idea? I'm at a loss here
13:47<kev>i am trying to build an image that boots using grub2
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13:48<kev>and run it using qemu
13:48<kev>after the script runs...grub2 gets installed okay
13:48<kev>but the kernel doesnt load
13:48<Katy>hi, is it possible to install debian booting from a partition following the steps to install from usb stick, i.e. using a partition instead of a usb stick. Old box won't boot from usb.
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13:49<stderr_dk>kev: What's in the grub.cfg?
13:50*Katy seems to be out of question marks
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13:51<kev> menuentry "experimental GRUB" {
13:51<kev> insmod ext2
13:51<kev> multiboot /boot/image.img
13:51<kev> }
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13:52<mtn>Katy: I have heard some say that it can be done, never tried it myself.
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13:52<stderr_dk>kev: You didn't copy image.img to the disk. You did copy kernel.bin.
13:52<stderr_dk>image.img is the disk... :-)
13:53<DNS>Katy: this might help
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13:53<Katy>mtn: well, that makes me at least a bit more comfortable trying it :)
13:53<darklight_>babilen: good god the live iso had the nvidia driver installed that's why, lesson learned never trust unofficial isos
13:54<kev>stderr_dk: that is not the problem
13:54<Katy>DNS: thanks, looks like what i was looking for
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13:54<stderr_dk>Really? "multiboot /boot/image.img" isn't the problem when the kernel is kernel.bin?
13:55<kev>stderr_dk: it was alright i was copying image.img
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13:56<kev>i've been messing with the file for sometime
13:56<kev>i should've done it sometime
13:56<kev>going mad now :)
13:56<kev>stderr_dk:i've changed it back
13:56<kev>still doesnt work
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13:56<stderr_dk>You can't copy image.img to the disk. image.img is the disk. It's not big enough for image.img.
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13:57<babilen>darklight_: Ah, sorry .. been afk for a while. See for instructions on how to install it. I would, however, recommend to install the version from wheezy-backports (/msg dpkg backports) as that includes a bunch of patches from valve (extra speed!)
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13:57<stderr_dk>kev: Can you put the grub.cfg on
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13:58<kev>one sec
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14:00<kev>stderr: you confused me :)
14:00<kev>wan't it okay the first time?
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14:01<kev>and grub.cfg in
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14:03<kev>stderr: i didn't see wanted it specifically?
14:03<kev>are you here?
14:04<stderr_dk>Yes, reading the pastes...
14:04<stderr_dk> is a bit faster and has fewer ads, that's all...
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14:06<exh>is anyone using vlctube script on debian?
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14:06<SynrG>exh: just ask your question about it
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14:08<exh>SynrG, its not working and i wanna know if anybody is using it successfully
14:09<stderr_dk>kev: Hold on while I try to find my own homemade kernel. I don't remember it being this tricky to get it loaded.
14:09<kev>okay!!! :)
14:09<kev>help me somehow
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14:10<SynrG>exh: describe 'not working'
14:11<kev>i am gonna get screwed my teacher and group members i was so stubbourn about the topic
14:12<exh>SynrG, script loads but i have no video or sound
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14:13<babilen>kev: You are aware of aren't you?
14:13<kev>i thought it helps learn about kernels and how a computer works behind the kernel
14:13<kev>behind the curtain i mean
14:14<SynrG>exh: ok. i notice vlctube isn't in debian ... also, in general, the YouTube API changes frequently ... I guess if you have an up-to-date version and it doesn't work, you should ask the makers of the script for help.
14:14<SynrG>exh: it could be that it just hasn't kept up with latest YT API changes, or else it has some other issue ...
14:14<exh>SynrG, and it is chromium specific problem cos it works with iceweasel
14:14<SynrG>either way, not much we can do here
14:15<SynrG>which version of chromium? you know the chromium in wheezy is very old
14:15<exh>v 31
14:15<exh>that is not old
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14:15<SynrG>then it's not from wheezy
14:15<exh>script works i know that for shure
14:15<exh>but on wheezy
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14:16<kev>babilen: do they really matter? i did compile the kernel and all but writing patches needs indepth knowledge about the kernel right? so i thought better get my feets wet before trying to swim :)
14:16<babilen>judd: v chromium
14:16<judd>Package: chromium on i386 -- squeeze:; wheezy: 31.0.1650.63-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 31.0.1650.63-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.0.1650.63-1; sid: 31.0.1650.63-1
14:16<exh>you see
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14:17<babilen>kev: I have no idea what you are trying to and why you want to do that. I simply wanted to point you to the seminal documentation on how to compile a kernel on Debian.
14:17<SynrG>huh. that's new
14:17<exh>but i've tried old versions also
14:17*SynrG shrugs
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14:17<exh>and got nothing
14:17<SynrG>didn't know they had accepted a more recent version. that wasn't true last time i checked
14:17<babilen>SynrG: I am quite surprised too, but I guess that it is one of the packages that were upgraded with 7.3 ... /me will have a look
14:17<SynrG>(and is not the usual pattern for stable)
14:17<exh>it is wheezy specific bug i think
14:17<mtn>SynrG: chromium has been kept up to date since the beginning of wheezy
14:17<exh>debian specific
14:18<exh>cos it is not working in sid nor jessie
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14:18<babilen>SynrG: Yeah, it was included in 7.3 due to DSA-2785
14:18*SynrG nods
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14:19<SynrG>exh: could be either a bug in chromium preventing the script from working or a bug in the script with respect to the chromium in debian ... hard to say which.
14:19<kev>babilen: im not playing with the linu trying to develop a simple kernel suitable for learning on the fly...that helps me get to know os devel
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14:20<babilen>kev: What does that have to do with Debian?
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14:20<exh>SynrG, script works with new chromium under windows and under some other distros
14:20<exh>but not with debian
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14:21<SynrG>exh: so, the script could make some wrong assumption that holds for those platforms but not debian.
14:21<kev>nothing :-/ i just thought someone here would have knowledge about grub, with which im having trouble...
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14:21<SynrG>exh: or, as i said, could be a bug in chromium
14:21<SynrG>either way, i think you would need to provide more details for debian chromium maintainers to care.
14:21<stderr_dk>kev: My guess is your kernel doesn't have a multiboot header.
14:21<kev>it has
14:22<babilen>kev: Well, this is #debian and you shouldn't be too surprised that we support Debian in here ... There are other channels (e.g. #grub on that are more appropriate than #debian.
14:22<SynrG>(actually, if you find it's a bug in vlctube, you would find it very hard to get them to care :)
14:22<kev>babilen: im sorry :-/
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14:22<exh>SynrG, yeah
14:22<stderr_dk>kev: Ok, then my guess is the checksum doesn't match. But yeah, wrong channel...
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14:23<SynrG>exh: have you tried watching in console or so ... ?
14:23<SynrG>i mean developer tools
14:23<exh>SynrG, i don't know how to do that
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14:24<kev>stderr_dk: what does that mean? checksum doesnt match? the error that grub displays is 'file not found'
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14:24<kev>but when i do "ls (hd0,1)/boot"
14:24<kev>its there
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14:24<SynrG>exh: open Tools > Developer Tools > Console
14:24<SynrG>exh: run the script and see if there are errors
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14:25<exh>SynrG, that is useful
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14:25<exh>thank you
14:25<babilen>kev: Seriously, try #grub
14:25<SynrG>exh: probably from there, take it to the vlctube maintainers. if they spot a problem there that they think is due to a bug in our chromium, file a bug with whatever they tell you ...
14:25<kev>babilen: im onto it
14:26<stderr_dk>kev: I can't remember what error you get from grub, if the checksum doesn't match. Sorry...
14:27<kev>stderr_dk: your kernel boots?
14:27<kev>from a disk image
14:28<stderr_dk>I played around with it 5 years ago, but as far as I remember, yes.
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14:29<kev>you dont remember how you did it?
14:30<stderr_dk>I barely remember what happened 8 minutes ago...
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14:30<kev>yeah i know :D
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14:30<kev>just what i wished :)
14:30<stderr_dk>kev: But as babilen said, try #grub.
14:31<kev>i have asked on grub
14:31<kev>hope someone replies
14:31<kev>do you know about
14:31<kev>i think it has got something to do with that
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14:32<babilen>kev: This is really not the right channel. Take it elsewhere, thanks.
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14:54<SynrG> /win 9
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15:15<Katy>during installation i get 'An error occured while configuring encrypted volumes. The configuration has been aborted.' Is there anyway i can figure out what causes this error?
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15:16<ompaul>Katy: any entries in /var/log/syslog?
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15:20<Katy>ompaul: device is mapped or mounted
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15:24<ompaul>Katy: do you want an LVM encrypted install?
15:25<Katy>ompaul: no lvm, just encrypted, so i choose manual partitioning
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15:26<ompaul>Katy: seems straight forward enough here
15:27<ompaul>Katy: it starts off with lvm and encryption then does encryption later
15:30<Katy>ompaul: Did like it says, i've done about 10 installs with crypto, but never had any problems
15:32<ompaul>Katy: obviously something is up, a partition is mounted ... or mapped already so is it in use or somehow otherwise marked
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15:32<Katy>ompaul: yeah, obviously :) know i only need to figure out what
15:33<ompaul>Katy: if it was me, I'd do live cd and cat /dev/zero > /dev/harddrive and then start again including setting up partitions - if it fails repeatedly then try an unencrypted install to see if something else and more informed shows up
15:34<dpkg>Darik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN) is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers (x86, x86-64, powerpc). DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. . See also <nwipe>.
15:34<abrotman>that's probably overkill
15:34<Katy>ompaul: well, it's only the swap partition, i can add it later
15:34<abrotman>or use a swap file ?
15:34<ompaul>Katy: so is the installer using the swap file ...
15:34<ompaul>swapinfo :)
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15:35<ompaul>holding all that precious info and there you were almost with an answer
15:35<Katy>/bin/sh: swapinfo: not found
15:36<ompaul>swapoff ?
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15:36<ompaul>Katy: I'm only guessing - I forgot it was an installer but i didn't even ask which one
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15:40<Katy>ompaul: installer is stable netinst. maybe it's because it booted the installer from a partition via grub. I used this partition which is causing the error before, also now its emtpy. I'll go without swap and add it after install.
15:40<Katy>btw, swapoff didn't help
15:40<ompaul>oh well
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15:42<Katy>i have no time to figure out what causes the problem, thank you anyways
15:42<mju>Katy: If I read the installation manual correctly, the installer should print logs and errors to the fourth console (ATL+F4). Maybe that helps.
15:43<Katy>mju: too late, but thanks
15:43<Katy>mju: didn't knwo that, will remember
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15:58<Ophidian>might not be for #debian but any suggestions for a good media server ? last one i tried was plex, worked pretty good
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16:10<Ophidian>my server is trying to connect to an ip adress which is unreachable, keeps retrying and i can't switch terminal. How do i force it to quit
16:11<mju>kill the process and change its configuration
16:12<Ophidian>i don't know how to kill a process that's the problem :/ (new to linux)
16:12<mju>So, what are you doing exactly? What tries to connect to an ip address? How do you notice that?
16:13<mju>Are you in a terminal, in an ssh-connection or in a graphical environment?
16:13<Ophidian>i'm in an ssh connection to my deb7 server CLI
16:14<Ophidian>wanna learn the hard way :)
16:14<dondelelcaro>Ophidian: in general, Ctrl-C
16:14<mju>Ah, for the next time, use a terminal multiplexer like tmux. :)
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16:15<Ophidian>i'll google tmux :)
16:15<mju>Otherwise:What dondelelcaro said.
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16:15<anthony>google ? prefer
16:16<Ophidian>ic, worked fine ... i'd better start reading the basics, just not easy to find a getting started for linux, reading the debian reference is pretty hard :o
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16:18<stderr_dk>Ophidian: I thought you told me you couldn't connect to your server?
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16:23<Ophidian>stderr_dk, netinst cd ... it's a learning server so i went ahead with a fresh install :/
16:24<stderr_dk>This time remember not to reboot unless it's really, really needed. :-)
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16:30<SkyfallSec>Alguém ai é pentest
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16:48<Ophidian>stderr_dk, lol :) problem is my server reboots almost every day .... power failure (i'm renovating my house so the electricity is gone from time to time)
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16:50<stderr_dk>Ok, sometimes you have to reboot. But most of the time, you don't have to reboot just because you changed a config file.
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16:52<Ophidian>i got one strange problem after another ... i got the new install up, i've added the to the sources list, performed an update, installed openssh and made a connection to my server from my laptop. from my laptop i can ping, from my server i get a ping timeout ?
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17:14<chrleon>is there a way to install wheezy on non-pae systems? I'm thinking to download squeeze and do an upgrade to wheezy.
17:14<chrleon>will that work or will I get kernel-panics?
17:15<dondelelcaro>chrleon: if you don't have a system which supports pae, use the 486 kernel package
17:16<chrleon>dondelelcaro: thanks. Is there a link for that? I only found the 486 package as a single module, not an install iso. A bit new to linux, used it on and off for years, but mostly ubuntu
17:16<chrleon>dondelelcaro: should I select the 486 kernel package when upgrading squeeze to wheezy?
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17:17<dondelelcaro>chrleon: the install iso should use the correct kernel on boot; I believe it's defaulting to using the 486 one
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17:17<dondelelcaro>chrleon: when upgrading, you should just make sure you have the right kernel installed and set as the default in grub
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17:17<babilen>chrleon: You can install wheezy though
17:18<dondelelcaro>chrleon: though I would be surprised if you had a machine which didn't support PAE; it's pretty old
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17:18<chrleon>dondelelcaro: It's an inspiron 8600 from dell.. oldie but goldie
17:18<chrleon>babilen: hmm.. tried installing wheezy before but got the non-pae fault
17:19<chrleon>dondelelcaro: using it for small homeserver for experimenting
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17:20<dondelelcaro>chrleon: well, grep pae /proc/cpuinfo; will tell you
17:20<dondelelcaro>chrleon: if it's not there, pae isn't supported
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17:22<babilen>chrleon: Which install image did you use? I have to confess that I haven't tried this myself, but the 486 kernel should be a viable option.
17:22<chrleon>dondelelcaro: no result when I do grep pae /proc/cpuinfo just empty terminal
17:22<chrleon>babilen: netinst i386
17:22<dondelelcaro>chrleon: yeah, so it doesn't support pae.
17:22<chrleon>i'll try it in a virtualbox wjtout pae to see waht happens
17:23<dondelelcaro>chrleon: you'll need the linux-image-486 packages, which you probably already have
17:23<chrleon>dondelelcaro: are those inside the i386 wheezy netinstall isos?
17:23<dondelelcaro>chrleon: they should be
17:24<dondelelcaro>chrleon: and if you've got squeeze already installed, you can upgrade using that kernel instead of the linux-image-686 one
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17:25<babilen>chrleon: I've just checked (on and the 486 kernel is definitely on the netinst (i386 and multiarch) -- but then just upgrade if you have squeeze already.
17:25<chrleon>the inspiron alreadu runs ubuntu 10.04 but it's a bit faulty, and since my raspberry runs raspbian and my vps is on debian I thought I'll just fix the inspiron machine and install debian too
17:25<chrleon>so they're all on the same system
17:27<chrleon>the wheezy netinstall booted allright in a votual box without pae
17:27<ompaul>virtual on what?
17:27<ompaul>no virtualbox is installed on what?
17:27<babilen>(poor mans kvm) ;)
17:28<chrleon>sorry I meant it booted allright when I set up a virtualmachine under VirtualBox from
17:28<chrleon>without PAE
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17:30<ompaul>and what does vbox sit on
17:31*ompaul doesn't know how to be clearer
17:32<chrleon>intel corei5 macbookpro
17:33<chrleon>running grep pae proc/cpuinfo inside the vbox from ash-shell returns no flags
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17:33<chrleon>so I'll try it on the computer on the attic :) just don't know why it didn't work before. thanks
17:34<babilen>chrleon: Let us know how it goes :)
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17:42<regg|s>but 686-pae kernel should work on non-pae systems, right?
17:42<regg|s>because I remember it showing a warning during boot, but it worked fine one that one old system
17:42<regg|s>it should work in general, right?
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17:51<chrleon>regg|s: dondelelcaro: babilen: well.. wheezy booted on the inspiron.. kool. now to make a todo list before I do the install, so I have all the data I need to migrate. Thanks
17:51<chrleon>it saved me a trip with squeeze
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18:19<marc_>hey people
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18:20<marc_>does somebody know where I can find settings for mouse etc. in semplice? kind of lost
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18:53<stderr_dk>Ophidian: Still having problems with the server?
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20:30<toli>hey, am using bamt it is debian based distribution, and so when i wanted to change the hostname it remains still the same after reboot. I changed the name in hostname and in hosts then I ran hostname start, but after reboot i gets back to the old name. how can i figure out what is the problem?
20:30<sney>!based on debian
20:30<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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20:32<toli>sney, kk thanks
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21:36<Guest1718>need help, not getting sound out of my computer
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21:39<regg|s>make sure you have alsa and pulseaudio installed (along with recommendations), and correctly set the source software
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21:40<Guest1718>apt-get for alsa and pulseaudio?
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21:42<Guest1718>i did 'sudo alsa reload' and that seems just fine, pulseaudio seems to be giving issues
21:43<Guest1718>just typing 'pulseaudio' i get "E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running.
21:43<Guest1718>E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.
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21:43<regg|s>so both are already running
21:44<regg|s>what does alsamixer say about your devices?
21:44<regg|s>and mute/volume status of various channels?
21:45<Guest1718>card: HDA NVidia Chip:Realtek ALC888 Item: Headphone
21:45<Guest1718>Master: 37 (loud enough) Heaphone, PCM, Front, 100
21:45<Guest1718>i just turned them all up to 100, nothing
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22:08<regg|s>is anyone using lightdm and experiences their /etc/profile not ever being sourced when logging into an X session?
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22:23<Stup>Hi all, any one knows the kernel parameters to boot my drive as read-only?
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22:29<clumpy43><Stup> you can mount a partition as read-only with the ro parameter in /etc/fstab
22:29<Rcart>does anyone else has extreme CPU usage (that heats) using apt? i.e #apt-get update/upgrade ??
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22:33<regg|s>yeah, it's the pdiff thing if you mean update
22:34<regg|s>uses awfully lot of cpu
22:34<Stup>ok, thanks clumpy43. Does this get applied at each boot? and can i add the ro any where in that line?
22:34<Rcart>regg|s: it happens with upgrade too. I have a mixed sources. I'll check that link right now
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22:37<clumpy43><Stup> yes, it mounts the file systems defined in /etc/fstab during each boot. Be sure you know what you're doing, you probably don't want to mount the root partition as read-only for example. You can check out the other options here
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22:39<Stup>Yes, I totally see the problem here lol. I was thinking of some thing the could be APPEND to the kernel in grub. I see ro can be used for that, but its not working.
22:42<regg|s>Rcart: if it happens during upgrade too, perhaps you ought to consider vacuuming your pc ;)
22:43<Stup>Is it safe to unmount your os drive and re mount it as read-only?
22:44<regg|s>mount -o remount,ro /
22:44<regg|s>it stops any writing; is it safe to have your drive lay dormant shut down?
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22:45<regg|s>fairly safe and nothing fsck wouldn't manage
22:45<Stup>ok sounds great
22:46<Stup>thanks for the reassurance, wish me luck.
22:47<Rcart>regg|s: lol, I'll try that. Thanks
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