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00:22<Zaxim_>ok, so I think I figured out the issue. In my initramfs I have a passwd file with only one user:
00:22<Zaxim_>but there's no /etc/shadow file. Where could the password be defined?
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01:44<octoquake>If my BIOS is showing it is in Legacy mode, will I have to worry about any unusual complications in dual booting with windows 8 like UEFI mode faces?
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04:30<polybun>wondering if there is someone that cares to help me with an XV problem.
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04:34<buff>!ask polybun
04:34<polybun>well it's not working at all
04:35<polybun>and XVmc does work, but doesn't scale
04:35<polybun>X11 seems to be working ok
04:35<polybun>but of course, that's a cpu hog
04:35<polybun>using jessie, and the xorg radeon driver on an HD7700
04:35<polybun>no xorg.conf
04:36<polybun>didn't seem to be working with wheezy either, i'm sure what i'm going to have to do is generate an Xorg.conf and set some silly radeon config option, coudln't find anything in the radeon man page
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05:06<fotostudiojovana>hello debian people :)
05:07<fotostudiojovana>when i shutting down my whezzy, i have warning message:
05:07<fotostudiojovana>jetty servlet engine
05:08<fotostudiojovana>can somebody help me to solve that
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05:15<gry>please paste full error message, the engine name along is not a warning
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05:15<gry>if that's all you see you may want to look at log files for more details
05:21<fotostudiojovana>that is all i see when i shutdown system
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05:27<fotostudiojovana>var/log/ what file?
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05:31<tweek>how can i downgrade a package after going back to a more conservative update channel? like, i installed some package from backports (with aptitude -t wheezy-backports), but i want to go back to wheezy. or, and i'm not sure this is the same, go back from iceweasel-aurora to iceweasel-release.
05:31<fotostudiojovana>i dont see boot.log inside var/log
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05:37<fotostudiojovana>ping gru
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05:39<fotostudiojovana>ping gry
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05:42<fotostudiojovana>dpkg: bootlogd
05:42<dpkg>bootlogd is used to record boot messages to /var/log/boot. For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases, install the bootlogd package to enable. In Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", bootlogd is provided by the sysvinit-utils package; set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd to enable.
05:42<dpkg>Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
05:44<fotostudiojovana>dpkg: universal access settings
05:44<dpkg>fotostudiojovana: I don't know, could you explain it?
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05:44<fotostudiojovana>dpkg: orca
05:44<dpkg>fotostudiojovana: i don't know
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05:46<fotostudiojovana>dpkg: Disable the Universal Access accessibility menu
05:46<dpkg>no idea, fotostudiojovana
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05:52<tweek>ompaul: thanks, this will help
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05:58<Polyhead>man, still can't work out what is wrong with dri on this thing
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06:33<Polyhead>can someone help me get direct rending working?
06:33<Polyhead>the kernel modules are there, the xorg modules are in place, nothing.
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06:35<Polyhead>is there a debian Xorg channel?
06:36<towo`>why not specify your problem?
06:36<towo`>like provide relevant logfiles?
06:36<Polyhead>I did, direct rendering is disable
06:36<towo`>Polyhead, no, you didnÄt
06:36<Polyhead> RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled
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06:37<Polyhead>just can't see to work this one out
06:37<towo`>that's not a logfile
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06:37<Polyhead>that's the relevant portion, everything else goes along merrily
06:37<Polyhead>kms appears to work properly
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06:38<Polyhead>i don't think you really want me to just dump the entire output of the X server log
06:38<Polyhead>but if that's what you want....
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06:39<Polyhead>root@Rally:~# dmesg | grep -i radeon
06:39<Polyhead>[ 7.044266] [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled.
06:39<Polyhead>[ 7.064309] radeon 0000:04:00.0: VRAM: 1024M 0x0000000000000000 - 0x000000003FFFFFFF (1024M used)
06:39<Polyhead>[ 7.064313] radeon 0000:04:00.0: GTT: 512M 0x0000000040000000 - 0x000000005FFFFFFF
06:39<Polyhead>[ 7.064417] [drm] radeon: 1024M of VRAM memory ready
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06:39<Polyhead>[ 7.481756] radeon 0000:04:00.0: firmware: agent loaded radeon/VERDE_mc.bin into memory
06:39<Polyhead>[ 7.494283] radeon 0000:04:00.0: firmware: agent loaded radeon/VERDE_smc.bin into memory
06:39<Polyhead>[ 7.871460] radeon 0000:04:00.0: WB enabled
06:39<Polyhead>[ 7.871465] radeon 0000:04:00.0: fence driver on ring 0 use gpu addr 0x0000000040000c00 and cpu addr 0xffb5ec00
06:39<Polyhead>[ 7.871469] radeon 0000:04:00.0: fence driver on ring 1 use gpu addr 0x0000000040000c04 and cpu addr 0xffb5ec04
06:39<Polyhead>[ 7.871471] radeon 0000:04:00.0: fence driver on ring 2 use gpu addr 0x0000000040000c08 and cpu addr 0xffb5ec08
06:39<Polyhead>[ 7.871474] radeon 0000:04:00.0: fence driver on ring 3 use gpu addr 0x0000000040000c0c and cpu addr 0xffb5ec0c
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06:39<Polyhead>[ 7.871477] radeon 0000:04:00.0: fence driver on ring 4 use gpu addr 0x0000000040000c10 and cpu addr 0xffb5ec10
06:39<Polyhead>[ 7.872289] radeon 0000:04:00.0: fence driver on ring 5 use gpu addr 0x0000000000075a18 and cpu addr 0xf8db5a18
06:39<Polyhead>[ 7.872321] radeon 0000:04:00.0: irq 46 for MSI/MSI-X
06:39<Polyhead>[ 7.872338] radeon 0000:04:00.0: radeon: using MSI.
06:39<Polyhead>[ 7.872374] [drm] radeon: irq initialized.
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06:40<Polyhead>[ 8.232852] [drm] Radeon Display Connectors
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06:40<Polyhead>[ 8.233052] [drm] radeon: power management initialized
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06:40<Polyhead>that was real helpful :/
06:40<Polyhead>anyway, as you can see that's working as it should
06:40<Polyhead>lsmod shows the modules sitting there doing their thing
06:40<Polyhead>the sensors plugin for the card is working as well
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06:40<Polyhead>so it's something to do with the X end of things
06:40<Polyhead>but damned if I can figure out what
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09:40<anne_>hello :)
09:41<anne_>If anyone's here, I'd like to know about the feasability of something :
09:41<anne_>is it possible to create a chrooted user to connect to with ssh
09:42<anne_>with only one capability : to perform a "su" to a non-chrooted user ?
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10:05<ixi>I have a 430 GB xfs partition which is 1% full; I want to make a 230 GB + 200 GB partitions of
10:05<ixi>out of it
10:06<ixi>with 230 GB containing the data that's now there and 200 GB free space
10:06<ixi>what should I do ?
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10:07<jotun>ixi, start by unmounting the filesystem and resize it
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10:14<ixi>apparently xfs can not be reduced in size, online or offline
10:14<ixi>only increased
10:15<ixi>to reduce xfs I need to do a dump and restore...
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10:44<jalalsfs>I want an application same to truecrypt in debian.
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10:45<linuxator>jalalsfs, you can use truecrypt on debian. There's already on debian another one about disk encryption dm-crypt
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10:48<jalalsfs>linuxator: Is dm-crypt with GUI?
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11:12<linuxator>jalalsfs, I don't know if there's a GUI tbh.
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11:16<linuxator>Hope someone else might know if it is possible with GUI, i know that truencrypt can have GUI about disk encryption (supports both terminal and gui)
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11:20<asdaw>linuxator, speaking of disk encryption, are there any FDE utilities you'd recommend
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11:25<whoami_>whats the best gui webpage program for debian?
11:26<jimpop>greetings. i have created a deb (mailman_2.1.17-103_amd64.deb), but apt keeps trying to upgrade it to "mailman 1:2.1.15-1". My changelog says "mailman (2.1.17-103) unstable; urgency=low". what am i doing wrong?
11:27<whoami_>i have tried to install bluegriffon but didnt get it to work
11:27<Apollo>wtf -103
11:27<jimpop>it's been a busy week
11:28<jimpop>i'd like to avoid pinning, i'm just sure why apt would expect to upgrade the 2.1.17-103 version
11:29<whoami_>can anyone use bluegriffon on wheezy?
11:29<maxb>jimpop: The leading 1: is the bit you need to notice.
11:29<jimpop>maxb: in terms of deb policy, what is that 1: called?
11:30<maxb>jimpop: Debian version strings have the concept of an 'epoch'. An epoch represents a need to forcibly make a version number greater than one which otherwise would not be.
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11:30<jimpop>maxb: thank you
11:30<maxb>The classic example is when a program moves from a version like 20131226 to 1.0
11:31<maxb>In your situation it should suffice to just put the 1: on the start of your own version
11:32<jimpop>is there any harm in putting 2: ?
11:33<jimpop>in order to prevent apt from ever pulling in the normal distro version of mailman...
11:33<maxb>It depends. Doing so would likely ensure that your version of 2.1.17 would be considered "newer" than any forthcoming other upstream versions from Debian itself
11:33<maxb>That might be good or bad depending on your needs
11:33<jimpop>rgr that. thanks again
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11:37<jimpop>maxb: that worked. Thank you and Happy New Year
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11:56<linuxator>asdaw, do you mean Full Disk Encryption by FDE? jalalsfs btw the only one with GUI i know is truecrypt tbh.
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11:57<asdaw>Full Disk Encryption
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12:03<candings>I want to install debian and do Full Disk Encryption with both key file AND password. Which is the best way to do it?
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12:09<asdaw>candings, what tool will you be using for the FDE
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12:10<george_>Hallo there Happy New Year to everyone
12:10<george_>Does somebody know why my browser can't connect to localhost:631?
12:10<george_>I want to share my printer...
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12:11<george_>Debian Wheezy, of course
12:11<george_>fresh installed...
12:12<stderr_dk>george_: Is cups running?
12:12<bernat>george_: is CUPS installed?
12:12<stderr_dk>That too... :-)
12:12<george_>I should say
12:12<bernat>yes to both?
12:13<stderr_dk>Can you dump the output of netstat -nat | grep LISTEN on
12:13<george_>How do I check if cups is running?
12:13<george_>My printer does it
12:13<george_>I'm doing it...
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12:16<george_>Here it is:
12:17<stderr_dk>Cups doesn't seem to be running.
12:17<george_>ow, good
12:17<george_>how do I run it, then?
12:18<stderr_dk>/etc/init.d/cups restart as root and see if you get any error messages.
12:18<george_>Done. No errors
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12:19<stderr_dk>Check netstat again and see if anything is listening on port 631.
12:20<george_>I'm going to paste the new output
12:20<george_>I don't think anybody listens to that port
12:21<stderr_dk>You're looking for either or ::1:631
12:22<george_>Thanks for being there :-))))))))))))))))))))))
12:22<stderr_dk>No change. Check /var/log/cups/error_log
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12:27<stderr_dk>george_: Anything that can give a clue?
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12:29<george_>This is the last entry: E [01/Jan/2014:18:18:28 +0100] Unable to bind socket for address - Cannot assign requested address.
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12:31<george_>No, no idea...
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12:32<stderr_dk>Hmm, odd... Can you put the output of ifconfig online too? (And maybe a few more lines from the error_log if they're around the same time?)
12:32<george_>In any case, I have installed wheezy on three computers. One of them does connect to localhost:631
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12:33<george_>it says that the order has been not found...
12:33<stderr_dk>Either /sbin/ifconfig or run ifconfig as root.
12:35<george_>I'm posting the whole error_log file too
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12:37<stderr_dk>Seems the loopback interface "lo" isn't up. Can you show us your /etc/network/interfaces too?
12:38<george_>Is coming :-))))))))))))
12:38<stderr_dk>Or check if it has these two lines:
12:38<stderr_dk>auto lo
12:38<stderr_dk>iface lo inet loopback
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12:40<stderr_dk>Stupid NetworkManager... :-(
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12:40<george_>I'm putting it out
12:40<george_>and trying
12:40<stderr_dk>Remove #NetworkManager# from the last line, save the file and run ifup lo
12:41<george_>I'm trying
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12:42<sta|ker>Hi guys, I've been searching for an answer to this problem for a while, and while I found similar issues, none were like mine. My HDMI audio isn't playing. I've tried installing the proprietary ati catalyst drivers, and it just seems when I do aplay -l, there isn't even a listing for the hdmi card/driver (which in my searches most people have it at least listed). Is there something special I need to do?
12:42<george_>no localhost:631...
12:42<stderr_dk>george_: No, not yet... But ifconfig does mention "lo" now, right?
12:42<george_>I'm checking
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12:43<sney>sta|ker, usually we get people trying to disable the hdmi audio because it takes first priority. are you sure it's not turned off in bios or anything? it doesn't use the catalyst driver, it's just intel-hda
12:44<george_>I'm posting the output again
12:44<george_>one second
12:44<sta|ker>nope, I had windows previously on here and it worked fine
12:44<sta|ker>just not working in debian
12:44<sta|ker>I want hdmi audio since this is for the livingroom tv
12:44<george_>new ifconfig:
12:44<stderr_dk>george_: You don't need to paste the output, if you can see for yourself that "lo" is there. :-)
12:44<stderr_dk>... it is. :-)
12:45<stderr_dk>Try restarting cups now.
12:45<sney>sta|ker, what do you get from 'lspci |grep -i audio'
12:45<george_>restarting :-)))))))))))
12:45<sta|ker>sney: 00:01.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Trinity HDMI Audio Controller
12:45<sta|ker>00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH Azalia Controller (rev 01)
12:46<sney>sta|ker, ok, is this debian wheezy? what kernel are you on?
12:46<george_>I'm gonna try to share my printer now
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12:47<sta|ker>sney: yes, wheezy (Linux winkserver 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux)
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12:47<sta|ker>sney: also, thisis the only card on aplay -l card 0: Generic [HD-Audio Generic], device 0: ALC887-VD Analog [ALC887-VD Analog
12:47<sney>sta|ker, it's possible that gpu is too recent to be supported by the audio driver in 3.2. try a newer kernel from wheezy-backports
12:47<sney>!tell sta|ker about bdo kernel
12:51<george_>I have that #NetworkManager# erased on the interfaces file on the other computer and I have restarted it,
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12:51<george_>I'll see then of my printer is visible on the network
12:52<sta|ker>sney: thanks, installing the backports kernel now, hopefully it works! :)
12:55<george_>No luck, I'm going to restart this computer and see if after is my printer visible...
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13:05<george_>Hallo again stderr_dk
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13:05<george_>I still do not see my printer on the network,
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13:05<george_>even when in localhost:631 says that it is being shared
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13:06<george_>I think that I'll stop for now
13:06<stderr_dk>Can you print from the machine itself?
13:06<george_>it is connected via usb
13:07<stderr_dk>I haven't really tried sharing a printer myself. I usually connect to other printer servers where the printers are already shared.
13:08<george_>I did that on Squeeze and worked very well.
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13:08<george_>I just upgraded my computers and...
13:08<george_>I'll stop now
13:09<george_>another day I'll try again.
13:09<stderr_dk>You might need a "BrowsePoll <IP-address>" in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf on the other machines, but other than that I have no ideas.
13:09<george_>Thanks anyway
13:09<george_>Happy New Year :-))))))))))))))
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13:10<george_>I'll google that "BrowsePoll"
13:10<stderr_dk>i.e. "BrowsePoll" in your case.
13:10<george_>I'm doing it...
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13:11<sta|ker>sney: Well, it worked kind of, at least I have a card listed now :), it just seems no controls are available (even in alsamixer)
13:11<stderr_dk>Note that I said "on the other machines". Not on itself.
13:11<sta|ker>but hey, it's somewhere
13:11<ixi>is there any alternative to thats available on debian repos?
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13:18<george_>No luck, another day I'll try it again.
13:18<george_>Thanks a lot
13:18<george_>Greetings, George
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13:50<birchy>Can anyone help me with Bash string manipulation?
13:51<mtn>birchy: there is a bash channel on freenode, I think
13:52<birchy>Thanks mtn
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13:52<mtn>birchy: welcome
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13:54<dddeeefff>Hi. I've got an upgrade issue I don't understand:
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13:55<dddeeefff>The key line seems to be: "package libc6:amd64 cannot be configured because libc6:i386 is not ready (current status 'half-installed')"
13:55<dddeeefff>Is it me or does it seem to be trying to upgrade to the wrong kind of architecture?
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14:03<dddeeefff>scratch that, I think it has to do with my fix for a botched upgrade to the glibc package that ruined the machine for 24 hours
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14:05<dddeeefff>How would I go about getting it to fully install, or getting it back to a state where apt-get understands it
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14:09<ompaul>,v libc6
14:09<judd>Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u1; jessie: 2.17-97; sid: 2.17-97; experimental: 2.18-0experimental0
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14:11<ompaul>dddeeefff: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
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14:13<ompaul>dddeeefff: remove the ppa because you need to /msg dpkg frankendebian
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14:14<dddeeefff>oops, left by accident
14:14<ompaul>dddeeefff: remove the ppa because you need to /msg dpkg frankendebian
14:15<dddeeefff>That'll be the OVH ones, right?
14:15<ompaul>deb precise main
14:15<ompaul>deb-src precise main
14:16<ompaul>cull them all you can't run mix and match as you like when done, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
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14:35<emir>Hello. I have one strange problem with debian Wheezy and my dlink router. When I load facebook and ebay, some images don't load. There are only "bad link" boxes. When I use win7 with my router it works fine and when I use this debian with other routers it is fine again...
14:35<emir>I have no idea what can be wrong...
14:35<emir>Thanks in advance
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14:42<asdaw>emir, same issue happening in Chromium as well as Iceweasel?
14:42<emir>asdaw, yes it's true
14:42<emir>how do you know?
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14:43<lostatwork>emir: any addons that might be blocking things ?
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14:43<emir>on the both browser, it's impossible...
14:43<asdaw>it was a question, troubleshooting 101
14:43<emir>Iceweasel is addon free, and I said that it work with other routers
14:43<asdaw>emir, what is your native language?
14:44<emir>Bosnian. I'm sorry for bad english :-(
14:44<ompaul>then blame your dlink and change the router
14:44<emir>But, when I use win7, it's all OK...
14:46<ompaul>still not enough information - to make it fail, do you have a web proxy for your windwos you forgot to tell debian about other than that you're going to have to do a lot of work to convince me it is (A) not a silly setting that you have knowledge because of your network, or (B) anything to do with debian, it is like you have done something - allowed ipv6 disaloowed that
14:47<emir>I haven't proxy settings on any system...
14:49<emir>I don't understand part "allowed ipv6 disaloowed that"
14:49<emir>On every other page, all is perfect...
14:49<asdaw>do you have access to the admin page on the router?
14:49<emir> work great for example
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14:50<emir>asdaw, yes
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14:51<emir>Is there something I can set on router admin page?
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14:52<emir>Can anyone help me what's ipv6 important for? Is it better to turn it on or off... thanks
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14:53<emir>Using this he says:
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14:53<emir> Your IPv4 address on the public Internet appears to be
14:53<emir>Your Internet Service Provider (ISP) appears to be TELESAT-AS Telesat d.o.o.
14:53<emir>No IPv6 address detected [more info]
14:53<emir>Good news! Your current configuration will continue to work as web sites enable IPv6.
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14:55<ompaul>you have an add blocker or something in there
14:55<ompaul>no script
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14:56<ompaul>because if your problem was common we would have a quick answer for it
14:56<emir>Am I too talkative so I'm kicked out?
14:56<asdaw>too pastey i'd say
14:56<ompaul>no you pasted 5 lines - better to type a lot on one line, use commas, full stops.
14:57<emir>I have addblock on chromium, but not in iceweasel
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14:57<emir>ompaul thanks
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14:58<emir>it isn't adblock, I checked
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15:01<ompaul>emir: turn off ipv6 in your browser
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15:01<ompaul>emir: about:config
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15:01<emir>Strange is that everything work in these combinations: win7 - my router and deb - other router
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15:01<gesh>Hi. I'm installing sakai on debian, and it asks me to set JAVA_HOME. However, I can't find what to set it to.
15:02<emir>ompaul: where to write about:config
15:02<ompaul>emir: in the address bar of iceweasel
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15:03<emir>ompaul: ah Iceweasel, I tried in chromium, thanks
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15:06<emir>ompaul: I can't find ipv6 on this big list... Some little help... sorry for my ignorance
15:07<ompaul>type in ipv6
15:08<ompaul>you have a search bar
15:09<emir>ompaul: Oh, I didn't see that bar... I try with ctrl+f
15:09<emir>ompaul: It is set as false...
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15:10<emir>ompaul: Changing to true, maybe?
15:10<ompaul>emir: give it a shot
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15:18<emir>ompaul: It still doesn't work... :-(
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15:20<emir>ompaul: I'm using debian now, is there some command line solution, or some info which I can get to solve at least nature of my problem?
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15:25<emir>ompaul: I know basics of different types of programming, I guess that for some reason I get wrong or right links to images. Wrong are "bad link boxes" and for right links I see image... How is it possible to get wrong link and right link in the same time on win7? Where every other part of system is unchanged? (router, internet provider, web page)
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15:26<woutjek>Is switching from jessie to testing as simple as modifying the sources.list and replacing all 'jessie' entries with 'testing'?
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15:26<emir>ompaul: same page, works with win7 and don't work with deb. Same page, work with debian and other router...
15:27<emir>ompaul: Maybe, to find where my router and debian have a problem?
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15:32<gomex>Hi guys
15:32<gomex>What is the packet to put option "Decrypt" in my nautilus?
15:33<gomex>I already try to looking for this in internet, but I can't found :(
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15:35<gomex>There isn't any seahorse-nautilus package in wheezy
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15:36<ompaul>woutjek: remove backports and security apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade - if you fail to use dist-upgrade you won't get testing you will get a slow melting of your brain as you fall backwards from testing
15:37<ompaul>emir: no I don't have any other ideas - why, because I don't have physical access to the box, and I have not seen this kind of thing before
15:37<ompaul>emir: no I don't want access :)
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15:43<emir_>ompaul: This is very very strange problem... Is there some good "third" web browser I can try? Maybe, there is some plugin, just to test that for any case?
15:43<emir_>for every case*
15:43<ompaul>emir_: use konqueror or whatever your DE has
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15:44<ompaul>emir_: you have to sit down and change exactly one thing at a time, slowly and document it, and work out what it is.
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15:46<emir_>ompaul: OK. I will try that, step by step... One change, see results, and again...
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15:47<emir_>ompaul: Strange is only that combination deb-my_rout don't work, every other works... :-(
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15:48<ompaul>emir_: bug in your router
15:48<ompaul>machine works
15:48<ompaul>machine doesn't work
15:48<ompaul>literal whatever
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15:48<ompaul>emir_: change the mtu on your machine
15:48<ompaul>but it is not your operating systems problem if that fixes it
15:48<ompaul>you lower the MTU btw
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15:49<emir_>ompaul: What is MTU?
15:51<TST_>Hello! I'm trying to check my config for shorewall6 with "shorewall6 check", but it's looking into the wrong directory. Instead of "/etc/shorewall6/" it tries to use "/etc/shorewall/". Is this intentional? The man page says "/etc/shorewall6/".
15:51<emir_>ompaul: PC is connected to router with wire and everything is good...
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15:52<ompaul>emir_: I've told you everthing I can about it, I'm guessing and I have no further effort to expend on this.
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15:52<emir_>ompaul: OK. Thank you for you time...
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15:52<woutjek>ompaul: thanks for the reply. Is jessie at this point in time anything different from testing?
15:53<emir_>ompaul: my MTU is on 1500. Now I know what it is...
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15:56<ompaul>woutjek: jessie is the name of the next version testing always changing after a release testing is likely to break in many bad ways, so if you stick jessie in there, you will want the security stuff when the release is near etc
15:57<ompaul>woutjek: that is post freeze and critical bugs low
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15:57<ompaul>woutjek: if you run testing you should join #debian-next
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15:59<woutjek>ompaul: I am kind of hesitating. I am running a homeserver on jessie, but I like the idea of a rolling release.
15:59<dpkg>Testing is not a rolling release in the strict sense of the word. It is a test platform, currently codenamed <jessie>. It is part of the Debian development process and is gradually being built into the next <stable>. Please go to #debian-next on for support. See <moving target>.
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16:00<SynrG>woutjek: do join #debian-next. that's an invitation to join us there, not a "go away"
16:01<woutjek>SynrG: thanks
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16:19<fotostudiojovana>dpkg: jetty
16:19<dpkg>no idea, fotostudiojovana
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16:20<fotostudiojovana>dpkg: running java on debian
16:20<dpkg>fotostudiojovana: no idea
16:20<fotostudiojovana>dpkg: debian
16:20<dpkg>hmm... debian is See
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16:21<fotostudiojovana>dpkg: java
16:21<dpkg>Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. ##java on
16:21<gnugr>fotostudiojovana:use /msg dpkg package please
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16:21<fotostudiojovana>ok... sorry
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17:42<fotostudiojovana>where is located start.d in wheezy?
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17:52<fotostudiojovana>configuration of port file is located in start.d
17:53<bemasc>I just installed xserver-xorg-video-modesetting but it's not shown anywhere Xorg.0.log. How do I get xorg to notice the modesetting driver?
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17:57<DarkUranium>could anyone help me with getting Debian install to work on a HP laptop?
17:58<DarkUranium>the bootloader menus work fine, but when I hit "install", the screen goes black and stays that way
17:59<asdaw>are you sure you downloaded the correct architecture type
17:59<DarkUranium>I tried two different images (debian testing dual-arch -- amd64 Debian testing being what I originally intended to put onto the lappy; the other being 64-bit Wheezy netinstall)
17:59<DarkUranium>asdaw: positive
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17:59<DarkUranium>asdaw: in fact, I've just used the Wheezy install to throw Debian onto another computer, so I know the CD is okay
18:00<DarkUranium>but the effect is the same with both installs; the whole thing gets stuck after I hit "install"
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18:00<DarkUranium>(also tried "graphical install", after the regular one wouldn't work, but the effect is the same)
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18:03<DarkUranium>FWIW, the laptop uses an AMD GPU and CPU
18:03<DarkUranium>model is DV7-3101EA (a few years old)
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18:04<DarkUranium>I've had Arch running there before, and FreeBSD in between, so ...
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18:05<Arrowmaster>you are probably going to need a special kernel cmdline option to get it to work
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18:06<DarkUranium>that reminds me, I have a Debian Live image sitting here, lemme try it
18:07<DarkUranium>Arrowmaster: how could I figure out the kernel cmdline option? =\
18:07<DarkUranium>can't seem to find any information on my particular problem
18:07<DarkUranium>(so far)
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18:08<musca>DarkUranium: did you try the stable installer? the testing installer is in very early state, not meant to work flawlessly at this time.
18:08<DarkUranium>musca: yeah, the Wheezy netinstall was stable
18:08<DarkUranium>musca: exactly the same result with both though
18:08<DarkUranium>live DVD seems to be booting, FWIW
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18:08<TTT>DarkUranium, not sure about the current install images, but debian runs fine on AMD laptops, I'm running debian/sid on one right now
18:09<DarkUranium>TTT: I have no doubt, as that would've been a rather gleaming omission if it didn't.
18:09<TTT>DarkUranium, hmm, can you try disabling ACPI or KMS or some other stuff, just for the install process? There should be something in advanced boot menu of the install image
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18:10<DarkUranium>of course.
18:10<DarkUranium>that's usually the cause of such issues
18:10<TTT>it would be nice to report what on earth is wrong with the installer if you figure it out
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18:10<DarkUranium>BTW, it booted fine into the live sys
18:10<TTT>different debian version on the live CD?
18:10<DarkUranium>same major version
18:10<Arrowmaster>different kernel probably
18:10<TTT>could be
18:10<DarkUranium>dunno what minor, made the DVD a few weeks back
18:10<DarkUranium>lemme try the install option from live
18:10<DarkUranium>directly from bootloader
18:11<Arrowmaster>and i usually try the 'noapic' cmdline option first when i get a blank screen like that
18:11<DarkUranium>(though I don't want to actually install that, as it's not 64-bit)
18:11<TTT>ah, well, it IS different kernel then. Yes, try getting some different 64bit image then
18:11<TTT>not sure what else can i suggest
18:11<DarkUranium>yup, it worked.
18:11<TTT>different image and maybe different startup options
18:12<DarkUranium>where can I find old images?
18:12<TTT>does your laptop have a discrete GPU or just the APU?
18:12<DarkUranium>I mean, it's netinstall after all, so just about anything 7-ish will do
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18:13<TTT>could be some weird stuff with the GPU switching. Only the APU is connected to your laptop screen, so if it switches to DGPU somehow, you won't be able to see whatever it's rendering
18:13<DarkUranium>no, I have a single GPU
18:13<TTT>but it usually uses the APU for everything until you tell it otherwise
18:13<DarkUranium>there is no dual GPU system here
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18:14<DarkUranium>ah, the live is 7.2 release
18:14<DarkUranium>and 32-bit
18:14<DarkUranium>gonna try the 7.2 64-bit netinstall
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18:15<DarkUranium>if I can find it.
18:15<TTT>sorry, you are right, it's a Turion, not an APU
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18:15<TTT>you should be able to get the cd from
18:16<DarkUranium>I mean 7.2
18:16<DarkUranium>since 7.2 live works and 7.3 netinstall doesn't.
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18:17<TTT>hmm, there are live 7.2 images for amd64,
18:17<DarkUranium>oh, there's a 64-bit live distribution
18:18<DarkUranium>aye, gonna try that then
18:18<DarkUranium>and while it downloads, lemme try noacpi
18:18<DarkUranium>how do I add that kernel option for install?
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18:19<TTT>I've been running SID for what, 13 years now, I don't really remember how to install it :)
18:19<TTT>last time i installed debian that was in a VM at work 3 years ago...
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18:25<DarkUranium>TTT, Arrowmaster: got it working!
18:25<Arrowmaster>yeah i dont know why but that tends to do the trick often
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18:28<DarkUranium>odd that it'd work in 7.2 but not 7.3 tho
18:28<DarkUranium>unless 7.2 live already disables APIC
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18:29<Arrowmaster>i think its something special about the installer, the few times ive run into the issue its only been in the installer and once the install is over everything is fine
18:29<Arrowmaster>the fresh install doesnt need the option to boot
18:33<guilherme>Hi, is it possible to set 2 entries on grub, each one having 2 diferent initialization scripts?
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18:35<DarkUranium>Arrowmaster: well, any idea as to why would the installer need APIC?
18:36<DarkUranium>in a manner that the OS usually wouldn't, anyways.
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18:36<Arrowmaster>DarkUranium: i dont know enough about these things to have a theory why
18:38<Arrowmaster>guilherme: you can use the init= kernel option to change what each entry runs as the init process but thats probably not what you want, you could also put an entry in the cmdline for each one that doesnt actually do anything but check /proc/cmdline in your init scripts to see which was used
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18:57<oftc-webi>Why do we have to change?
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18:57<oftc-webi>why are we being forced to use systemd?
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19:01<oftc-webi>why can't we be afforded the choice to stay with sysinitv that we know and have no problem with
19:01<oftc-webi>very few people need the process tracking that is the main feature of these new init systems.
19:01<oftc-webi>it is an "enterprise" feature, and most of us do not need it at all
19:02<oftc-webi>so why must we be dragged along?
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19:02<Natureshadow>oftc-webi: Who said we have to?
19:02<oftc-webi>why can't we keep our sysv scripts and the few people that need process tracking go install sysd for their machine
19:02<devil>you can
19:02<Natureshadow>oftc-webi: Who said you can't?
19:02<devil>and I love systemd
19:03<Natureshadow>oftc-webi: AFAIK the tech-ctte has not made any final decision, and as the project chose to make its decision based on theirs, there is no decision at all
19:03<oftc-webi>Natureshadow: the systemd maintainers have created a situation where distros now have to choose ONE init system to rule them all
19:03<oftc-webi>(really a social situation that only seems technical)
19:03<Natureshadow>Go over to the tech-ctte discussion and contribute your (constructive!) thoughts there :)
19:04<oftc-webi>what I've said allready has been said.
19:04<Natureshadow>Then, go to the Wiki and maintain the pro-sysv page
19:04<Natureshadow>It is the basis for any decision
19:04<devil>what you said is not trua also. I run systemd and coulsd change to sysvinit in a minute
19:04<Natureshadow>If you do a good job there, then you are on a good way to be listened to
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19:05<Natureshadow>If you just sit here and whine, noone will care :)
19:05<oftc-webi>systemd is huge, adds features only a few people need, and what we know and have used before should not be taken away from us
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19:05<oftc-webi>devil: now you can, but if there are no sysv scripts (even though they're all pretty much the same), and it's not supported in the future, it will then be difficult
19:05<Natureshadow>Everybody here knows your point of view. Some (including me) share it, others don't. But again, there is a place for such exclamations, but it is not here if you want to be heard
19:06<Natureshadow>oftc-webi: then support it
19:06<oftc-webi>do I need a login for the wiki page?
19:06<oftc-webi>I don't have one.
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19:06<Natureshadow>Well, create one, then ;)?
19:06<Natureshadow>The registration form is in a pretty obvious location :)
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19:07<Natureshadow>For your convenience, I am jsut looking for a pointer to the page ;)
19:08<oftc-webi>Account creation failed: Error 801: please contact for help if this continues.
19:08<Natureshadow>In any case, while someone looks into this, you may want to read, especially the first paragraph :)
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19:09<oftc-webi>my friend dumped linux because of pulseaudio btw
19:10<guilherme>Arrowmaster: I intend to create an script to turn off one of my hard drives during the init procedure
19:10<oftc-webi>(made by the same guy as systemd)
19:10<oftc-webi>(a one sound system to rule them all thing)
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19:10<Natureshadow>oftc-webi: Dumping Linux for that is quite stupid
19:10<oftc-webi>if I had known pulse was on that box I would have uninstalled it and then everything would have been fine with alsa
19:10<Natureshadow>First, Linux != a Linux distro that ships PA as default
19:11<oftc-webi>Natureshadow: he used linux for awhile before that.
19:11<Natureshadow>Second, apt-get purge pulseaudio works like a charm for me
19:11<oftc-webi>Natureshadow: I didn't know pulseaudio existed at that time.
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19:11<Natureshadow>It's his own fault for using Ubuntu ;)
19:11<oftc-webi>as my deb box used alsa.
19:11<Natureshadow>Again, purging PA does the job if you do not want it
19:11<Natureshadow>That's why we have packages ;)
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19:12<oftc-webi>then my next install on a new laptop PA was there, but I looked up and learned what it was and removed it.
19:12<Natureshadow>And, purging systemd will do the job as well
19:12<Natureshadow>Only that someone will have to maintain sysv init scripts
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19:12<oftc-webi>but before that I had no idea why my firends audio was messed up
19:12<Natureshadow>If you (and a few hunderd others) like sysv init, then maintain the scripts and everyone is happy :)
19:12<oftc-webi>yea and then they'll be depreciated by pressure
19:12<oftc-webi>same pressure that is bringing up this discussion at all
19:13<Natureshadow>oftc-webi: There is no point in making assumptions about the future without a tech-ctte or project statement
19:13<oftc-webi>the meglomaniac knows his way is the right way and we better get on board
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19:14<oftc-webi>14 years ago I used redhat based distros, I then moved to debian 10 years ago
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19:14<oftc-webi>it would be sad to see debain become another redhat follower
19:14<Natureshadow>I'd really like to end this discussion here because it leads nowhere, it has been held for weeks on debian-devel (among other lists) and you really should save your (and our) spare time to contribute something useful, like a real position statement or smething like that
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19:15<oftc-webi>how about:
19:15<Natureshadow>Please jsut stop whining and do something useful, thank :) (no offense, just a sad matter of fact that will in fact lead somewhere :))
19:15<oftc-webi>"We don't execute people just because they are old, and worship people just because they are new" "We shouldn't do so with technology"
19:15<Natureshadow>I think the project will take all your points into consideration (and REALLY consider them) if you exclaim them in the right place and the right form :)
19:16<oftc-webi>I can't, site won't let me make an account.
19:16<Natureshadow>Then do what it advised you to do :)
19:16<Natureshadow> /join #debian-www
19:17<oftc-webi>You are not allowed to access this!
19:17<Natureshadow>Ask them kindly and you will get help in no time
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19:20<oftc-webi>Natureshadow: they told me to email someplace: ie we will not help you, go away.
19:20<dreamer000>i could not decide between upstart and systemd at the moment... . Have to check some documentation still.
19:21<guilherme>I intend to create an script to turn off one of my hard drives during the init procedure. Any sugestion?
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19:22<oftc-webi>Natureshadow: looks like they don't want my input
19:22<oftc-webi>guess no yahoo email accounts allowed
19:22<dreamer000>i like the idea of events and parallelity
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19:25<Natureshadow>oftc-webi: Rejecting freemail addresses is completely acceptable
19:26<Natureshadow>They are 90% spam, 5% irrelevant, 4% broken and 1% false positives :)
19:26<Natureshadow>Just get a real e-mail address :)
19:26<Natureshadow>I can understand that you feel rejected, but it is not meant that way
19:27<oftc-webi>19:29 < paultag> and you're free to fork Debian if you'd like :)
19:27<oftc-webi>19:29 < paultag> basically, we're going with either upstart or systemd
19:27<oftc-webi>19:29 < oftc-webi> it used to be the non-redhat distro that respected the unix way
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19:27<Natureshadow>guilherme: hdparm in rc.local?
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19:27<oftc-webi>19:29 < paultag> and you're free to fork Debian if you'd like :)
19:27<oftc-webi>19:29 < paultag> basically, we're going with either upstart or systemd
19:27<oftc-webi>19:29 < paultag> sysvinit is gone
19:27<oftc-webi>Natureshadow: they have spoken
19:27<Natureshadow>oftc-webi: I do not know why the heck you started off with your whining in #debian-www again. Why didn't you just ask for help creating the account?
19:28<Natureshadow>Seriously, it does look to me as though *you* did not want us to have your input :)
19:28<guilherme>Natureshadow, but I want to be able to choose (on grub) if I want to initializate it or not
19:29<oftc-webi>Natureshadow: I cannot make an account
19:29<Natureshadow>oftc-webi: Then ask for specific help with THAT on #debian-www
19:29<Natureshadow>*and* get an e-mail address
19:29<oftc-webi>Natureshadow: and he said sysvinit is gone, they're going with systemd or upstart and that's all there is to it
19:29<Natureshadow>oftc-webi: Just because one DD says that does not mean your point is lost
19:29<Natureshadow>However, your point is lost if you keep whining and not start doing something
19:29<oftc-webi>19:31 < paultag> oftc-webi: I suggest that you become aware of the technical background of the decision before you continue this FUD.
19:29<oftc-webi>19:32 < paultag> such decisions are not made to piss trolls off
19:30<oftc-webi>Natureshadow: what am I supposed to do
19:30<Natureshadow>oftc-webi: follow his advise
19:30<oftc-webi>he said NOT to edit any of the wikipages
19:30<Natureshadow>get down to understand the real background of the discussion, get an e-mail address, make a wiki account and prove your point
19:30<guilherme>Natureshadow: but I want to be able to choose (on grub) if I want to initializate it or not
19:30<oftc-webi>< paultag> and please don't edit the argument pages with the consent of the maintainers
19:31<Natureshadow>oftc-webi: the sysvinit page is explicitly looking for a maintainer
19:31<DarkUranium>Arrowmaster: FYI, I also have to run the main system w/ `noapic`
19:31<DarkUranium>also TTT
19:31<Natureshadow>But, again: *please* analyse the technical background, then get a real mail address and a wiki account and *then* come back to ask what to do next
19:32<Natureshadow>I am leaving this discussion with you right now and here :)
19:32<oftc-webi>19:34 < paultag> I was relaying the general consensus, friend.
19:32<Natureshadow>guilherme: And you want to have it running at first, then disable it at end of boot or something?
19:32<oftc-webi>Natureshadow: it is impossible for me to get a real email address or a wiki account
19:32<Natureshadow>oftc-webi: then you are the first who finds that impossible
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19:34<guilherme>Natureshadow: The best would be do not turn the hdd on, but I am not sure if it is possible. Is it possible? Than my idea was to turn it off as faster as it is possible. That I tought it was via an script
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19:38<Natureshadow>guilherme: look through
19:38<Natureshadow>if that fails, invent a new option and check for it in rc.local
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19:41<guilherme>Natureshadow: I looked there, but I could not find anything. The only option I found is "libata.dma=0 -> Disable all PATA and SATA DMA" but it does not work, because I still need to have my first drive mouted. In fact I did not get exactly this option
19:42<Natureshadow>What is your goal? Do you want to ignore the device completely, or jsut turn it off for power saving ...
19:43<guilherme>just turn it off for power saving
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19:53<guilherme>Natureshadow: There are so many options, I do not know exactly how to search. Maybe "libata.force="?
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20:04<knoppix_>woah cool
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20:05<Guest2079>can anyone see this
20:05<Guest2079>guess not
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20:20<Natureshadow>oftc-webi: I think your changes will be reverted within no time, because you just added your whining at the top of the page without caring the least what is actually expected from you
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20:24<Katy>I have a binary installer which exits with 'Error opening terminal: screen' on Wheezy. When I use script to record it, the installer works. What difference could script make?
20:25<Arrowmaster>did you run it in screen?
20:25<Katy>Arrowmaster: It doesn't matter which terminal.
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20:29<Katy>I strace'd the process, but am a bit unsure if I read it right. Before it exits I have open("/dev/pts/14", O_WRONLY) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied), which I don't have when it's working.
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21:00<oftc-webi>Natureshadow: fuck off
21:01<oftc-webi>Natureshadow: I put my thoughts, if it gets censored oh well
21:01<oftc-webi>"what is expected of you", I'm not your kid, kiddo.
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21:02<oftc-webi>oftc-webi: I understand that systemd etc have the emotional response of "ooh new, fuck you old bags, don't trust anything that's too old" behind it
21:02<oftc-webi>* Natureshadow
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21:03<wer_>alguien ahi
21:03<oftc-webi>Natureshadow: it's not all about what's supposidly technically superior. There is a reason we don't run any system we want to stay up on the newest kernel branch.
21:03<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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21:05<oftc-webi>The new guys are basically saying they will change they system radically now and if they wish in the future
21:05<oftc-webi>we'll be running megabytes of crap just to have a pid 1
21:05<oftc-webi>with who knows what bugs and crashes
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21:06<oftc-webi>they don't care about forcing people who knew the system for decades to constantly learn their new way
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21:06<oftc-webi>they impose themselves like Gods upon us mere peons, that certainly seems to make Lennart Pollard happy
21:06<oftc-webi>his condocending tone
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21:07<oftc-webi>his "this is how it is going to be, get on the(my) train or get left behind" attitude
21:07<oftc-webi>he's in control and we can all fuck off
21:07<oftc-webi>even though we use what we have used for a decade, some 2 decades, etc
21:07<oftc-webi>none of that matters.
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21:07<oftc-webi>he makes the decisions now.
21:08<oftc-webi>fuck our knowlege, fuck our scripts, fuck anything we built on the system. He got a broom and he's sweeping away it all
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21:08<oftc-webi>if we want to keep our careers we better learn HIS way
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21:11<Guest2086>boa noite
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21:12<Guest2086>tem alguém por ai
21:12<guilherme>where can I get more information about the kernel initialization prameters?
21:12<guilherme>Guest2086: Este canal é apenas em inglês
21:12<Guest2086>pode traduzir para o português
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21:13<Guest2086>vc deseja informações sobre parâmetros de inicialização do kernel
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21:15<guilherme>sim, queria saber se consigo desligar um hd durante a inicializacao. Quero comprar um note com 2, ai desligaria 1 para deixar mais portatil (em algumas situações). Penso em fazer duas entradas no grub
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21:17<Guest2086>pode ser , mas seria aconselhavel executar está operação via setup
21:17<Guest2086>e configure , primário e o segundo secundário
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21:18<Guest2086>vocẽ pretende utillizar dois sistemas operacionais distintos
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21:19<Guest2086>desta forma não haverá conflitos entre os hdś
21:19<Guest2086> guilherme quais os sistemas que pretende utilizar
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21:20<guilherme>não so um sistema. A ideia é criar uma entrada no grub onde eu simplesmente nao ligue o segundo hd ele so tem dados. Quero fazer uma configuracao mais portatil, economizar bateria com isso
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21:22<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
21:22<Guest2086>ok, pelo grub poe ser feito, mas você pode configurar o note , para equiibrio de energia para desta forma
21:22<Guest2086>não consuma muita bateria
21:23<Guest2086>bem como faço é primeira vez que uso o xchat
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23:37<Nikon>no idea if anyone is here at this hour but ill try
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