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---Logopened Wed Jan 29 00:00:53 2014
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00:11<Vio|ent>Hi, i have problems with fglrx drivers: xorg log is saying that "no screen is detected", how to fix that?
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00:55<rryoumaa>if i want to make a program statically linked, must i build it myself or is there a way to convert?
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00:56<Infiltrator>rryoumaa: Either build it yourself or obtain one which is statically linked. As an example, busybox-static has statically linked versions of the busybox tools.
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00:57<Infiltrator>Though theoretically it would be possible to take the symbols and statically re-link an existing dynamic executable, right?
00:58<smeg>Hey guys. I installed a dual boot of UbuntuStudio (12.04) & Debian 7.3, I was wondering if anyone knew how to set the Debian grub as the default grub. I think it looks better than the Ubuntu one
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01:01<jm_>rryoumaa: tools like ELF statifier or magicErmine can also work/be used
01:01<jm_>smeg: install it over ubuntu one
01:01<alumno>q onda
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01:03<alumno>euuu q onda
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01:07<alumno>euuu q es esto
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01:07<nahuel>q es esto
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01:08<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
01:09<nahuel>jajaj ta bueno
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01:16<rryoumaa>jm_: thanks
01:16<Supaplex>da nada *grin*
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01:25<SolidSmeg>How would one install the Debian grub over the Ubuntu Grub?
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01:40<jm_>SolidSmeg: grub-install ...
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01:40<jm_>(run it in debian)
01:41<jm_>I recommend you also install os-prober before this if not already on the system
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02:48<stapper>is pax worth learning the tool?
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02:49<SamB>what, one archiver that understands several common unix archive formats? could be that it is.
02:50<txt-file>stapper: according to WP there are two different programs with the name pax
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02:56<Stummi>stapper, pax is not in POSIX, so you can't use it when you want to make a portable script anyway
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02:58<Stummi>wait, nvm
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03:01<stapper>ok so no big advantage in it then
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03:02<stapper>...learning pax
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03:07<Zaba>it's the only formally portable tool for working with archives, but it rarely matters on practice
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03:13<stapper>Ok i'll just master tar then thx
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04:33<charlie>Why isn't Xchat showing in the Synaptic Package Manager?
04:33<drno>open a term and apt-get install xchat
04:33<weasel>not Xchat.
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04:34<charlie>yeah, it says that the package doesn't exist
04:34<weasel>run "apt-cache policy" and paste the output on
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04:38<drno>what are you using right now if its not xchat?
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04:38<dpkg>trib: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi per saperne di più.
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04:39<drno>are you sure you want xchat or hexchat?
04:39<charlie>xchan is a lot easier to config how I want
04:40<charlie>it's what I had when I was using xubuntu
04:40<drno>okay open term and sudo apt-get update
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04:40<jm_>charlie: add debian mirrors to your sources.list file
04:40<drno>then sudo apt-get install xchat
04:40<drno>I would assume they are alreay in there
04:40<charlie>yeah, I should have tried to update first
04:41<charlie>it's the middle of the night for me
04:41<jm_>it's not, he only has security and cd-s in there ...
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04:43<charlie>what's the path to the source.list file?
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04:43<jm_>man sources.list
04:43<dpkg>Debian mirror sites are listed at and and ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <>, <geo sources.list> and <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on
04:44<jm_>this shall also help
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04:44<charlie>thanks a lot
04:44<jm_>no worries (don't forget to run apt-get update after editing the file)
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04:48<charlie>they were not kidding when they said that pure debian is more involved than ubuntu
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04:49<OdyX>charlie: it's also giving you more knowledge, freedom, and therefore, powers.
04:50<drno>ubuntu is super weak bloated and doesnt help anyone learn linux
04:50<charlie>yeah, I really need that now to get my mind in gear
04:54<aarya>Hi everyone, I create a local debian mirror on my machine using wheezy amd64 bit iso
04:54<weasel>that's not a mirror.
04:55<aarya>ssorry I create a local repo
04:55<aarya>Now I wan to add a package installation-guide in this repo
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04:57<aarya>what I have to do for this
04:58<dpkg>Approx is an HTTP-based proxy server for Debian-style package archives. It fetches files from remote repositories on demand and caches them for local use. It saves time and network bandwidth if you need to install or upgrade .deb packages for a number of machines on a local network. Packages are downloaded from a remote site only once, regardless of how many local clients install it.
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04:59<aarya>I am using this local repo for debian-cd
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04:59<aarya>I can't use any outside mirror it is depes of debain-cd
05:00<aarya>So I create local repo with iso, and copy all content of iso to hard drive
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05:27<SynrG>aarya: i think reprepro will do that. i am not a reprepro user, but the description says: "It stores files either being
05:27<SynrG> injected manually or downloaded from some other repository
05:27<SynrG> (partially) mirrored into one pool/ hierarchy."
05:28<SynrG>this sounds like it meets your needs (i.e. you're doing "injection")
05:29<SynrG>probably apt-cacher-ng, etc. could do that too
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05:31<SynrG>aarya: hmm, reading the approx doc, it could do that too. there's approx-import.
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05:32<SynrG>aarya: so, try approx. see approx.conf man page, $offline option. and see approx-import man page.
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06:45<opc0de>ok to ask for support here?
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06:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
06:46<opc0de>I'll take that as a yes
06:46<opc0de>getting lots of 404 errors when trying to # aptitude update
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06:47<opc0de>so the problem is that I can't tell if I've properly upgraded all the way to sid
06:47<opc0de>from testing
06:48<opc0de>how do I determine if I've upgraded successfully?
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06:48<jm_>for sid go to #debian-next - how would you declare successful upgrade? nothing left for upgrade?
06:48<themill>opc0de: perhaps pop the complete output along with your sources.list in a pastebin
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06:49<opc0de>jm_, I guess that's a good definition, eys
06:50<opc0de>themill, thanks, I'll try in #debian-next
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07:14<rostam>hi do I have to run "/etc/init.d/networking restart" anytime I modify the /etc/network/interfaces file? thx
07:15<roughnecks>!networking restart
07:15<roughnecks>dpkg: networking restart
07:15<dpkg>roughnecks: bugger all, i dunno
07:16<roughnecks>rostam: ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0
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07:17<roughnecks>!restart networking
07:17<dpkg>From squeeze onwards the use of the networking init script to reload networking configuration («/etc/init.d/networking restart») is discouraged. Instead, perform the actions you really want. Re-apply changes from /etc/network/interfaces: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0. Remove all iptables rules: iptables -F.
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07:17<rostam>roughnecks, I have two interfaces eth0 (configured dynamcally) and eth1 static, do I need to do ifdown and up for both or there is something else ... Thanks
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07:18<roughnecks>the one you need, i guess
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07:19<rostam>got it. Now how could I make sure eth0 to be default route, is something in /etc/network/interfaces I need to place? thx
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07:20<Stummi>define your gateway on eth0
07:20<roughnecks>what Stummi said
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07:21<jonjo>hey quick question is it possible to connect with wpa2-eap (with user and pass) for net-installer
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07:22<Stummi>if you have an strange setup where you need an gateway for both interfaces, put a script which changes the metric via ip in your if-up
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07:22<SynrG>jonjo: probably?
07:22<SynrG>jonjo: some wifi chipsets are unhappy without non-free firmware. in that case, use the unofficial image with non-free firmware included.
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07:23<rostam>Stummi, I want only eth0 to be. Do you the syntax to place in the /etc/network/interfaces? thx
07:23<SynrG>i have no experience specifically with wpa2-eap and the installer, but i know wheezy images support wpa installs now whereas previously they didn't. presumably that support also encompasses wpa2-eap.
07:23<SynrG>since that's something you would find support for on an installed system
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07:24<jm_>rostam: man interfaces, read about gateway line (and as the man page says, examples are in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz)
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07:25<rostam>jm_ thank you.
07:25<roughnecks>rostam: if eth0 is configured via dhcp, let that do its work and do not specify a gateway to the static eth1
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07:27<rostam>roughnecks, Here is the my /etc/network/interfaces
07:28<Stummi>rostam, so, whats your problem with this configuration?
07:28<roughnecks>rostam: looks good so far
07:28<rostam>roughnecks, and here is the route info :
07:28<rostam>it fails
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07:28<jm_>no wonder
07:29<Stummi>rostam, what fails? (also, please do route -n)
07:30<Stummi>whats the output of something like "ip route get"?
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07:30<jonjo>synrg i'm using the non-freeware image not sure how to format the details user@domain:password?
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07:30<rostam>Stummi, I can not ping any system on eth0 interface. I have to delete eth1 from the file reboot and then it works
07:31<Stummi>rostam, give me an example of an system you want to ping?
07:32<rostam>Stummi, ping, this system is on corporate network, where eth0 gets its dhcp IP address. eth1 is local and private.
07:33<petn-randall>jonjo: What details do you mean?
07:33<Stummi>rostam, is not in the subnet managed by eth0
07:33<jonjo>instead of just being a password there's also a username needed to login
07:33<SynrG>jonjo: oh, EAP requires additional information and there's no place to enter it?
07:34<SynrG>dunno. anything about it in the debian installation guide?
07:34<Stummi>rostam, 10.*.*.* will go through eth1, this is what you configured in your interfaces-file
07:34<jonjo>couldn't find anything
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07:35<rostam>Stummi, so that is the issue, which is not desired.
07:35<petn-randall>jonjo: Are you talking about the login prompt? Are you still installing, or did you boot into your system?
07:35<rostam>Stummi, do not know why, the route is configured that way
07:35<Stummi>rostam, its not an issue. Your system does exactly what you have configured.
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07:36<jonjo>in the net installer. the wireless network i want to use to download is wpa2-eap
07:36<rostam>Stummi, so how i can change that route. should I put something more in the /etc/network/interfaces file
07:37<Stummi>rostam, if you don't want eth1 to be responsible for just don't configure it for
07:37<Stummi>whats your intention of giving your eth1 this ip address and netmask, if not sending packages to this subnet through this interface?
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07:38<rostam>Stummi, eth1 will be connected to local network with Ip addresses of 10.0.0.x
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07:38<Stummi>rostam, well, so your company network and your lokal network have the same prefix? this won't work
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07:39<lupine>it's certainly not idea
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07:40<Stummi>rostam, you could set your netmask for your lokal network to, if its just 10.0.0.x and not 10.x.x.x
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07:40<Stummi>however, you won't read 10.0.0.x-addresses on your company network then, but any other 10.x.x.x address
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07:40<SynrG>jonjo: if you try and it doesn't work, you could check at
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07:40<SynrG>jonjo: that is the network configuration component of debian-installer
07:40<rostam>Stummi, ok I see that is thank you so much I am sure that will solve it. thanks so much again, I am stuck on this for a day.... thanks again
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07:41<petn-randall>jonjo: Usually thing like that follow the scheme "user:password@domain".
07:42<SynrG>jonjo: i don't see anything there about EAP. also, if you have problems with an installation, you're encourage to submit a report via installation-reports
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07:43<SynrG>pardon, installation-report
07:43<jonjo>yeh thought it'd be something like that. i'll give that a go and see if it likes that
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07:44<jonjo>not entirely sure whether the installer is supposed to support it
07:44<SynrG>jonjo: it is possible to skip the network configuration at install time, install whatever is on your install media (netinst has just a base system) and afterwards, install the rest. or you could use ethernet ... or a different hotspot with different encryption.
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07:44<SynrG>jonjo: "supposed to" is irrelevant. you are a user, with a legit wishlist for your particular use case.
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07:45<SynrG>jonjo: it's not your job to decide for the developers whether to give the wishlist priority or not :)
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07:46<SynrG>jonjo: there's no help provided at the prompt about entering EAP details? if it *is* already supported, at the very least, the installer should guide an EAP user as to how to enter it.
07:46<jonjo>nope it doesn't mention eap
07:46<SynrG>and if it's not supported, the installation guide should probably be explicit about that.
07:47<SynrG>either way, there's a problem here.
07:47<jonjo>or offer any advise on user:password etc
07:48<SynrG>WPA2 support is new for wheezy, so it's not shocking it's not 100% complete
07:48<SynrG>would be nice to fix for jessie, if possible
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07:48<jonjo>er yeah im actually using the testing net-inst. (i realise this might actually be the wrong chan)
07:49<SynrG>jonjo: ah. yeah, #debian-next for that
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07:49<jonjo>i'll give user:password a go and if not i'll submit a report for it
07:49<SynrG>and definitely include version detail in your bug report
07:49<jonjo>thanks for your help :)
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07:49<SynrG>np. good luck
07:50<SynrG>jonjo: and pretty sure you should use installation-report. a developer can assign that to netcfg if needed.
07:50<SynrG>that's how they triage everything
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07:50<jonjo>kk :)
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08:10<none>Hi all, I'd like to know some usenet posters that allow upload files and have GUI. I search a bit with no luck atm, thank you.
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08:15<SynrG>none: specifically, maybe pan?
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08:16<prasad>i am not able login to my account at login screen
08:16<SynrG>prasad: what changed? is this a fresh install? did you upgrade recently? if so, from what to what?
08:17<prasad>i am using debian testing ,installed from testing dvd
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08:18<none>Maulkin, I'll check it thanks. SynrG true but from what i saw pam doesnt have SSL need to be tunneled anyways let me check Maulkin link comparison
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08:19<prasad>when i enter my password, it just get hang there itself ,then i am right now using it via login through tty
08:19<SynrG>huh? ssl is on that feature list ...
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08:19<SynrG>oh, TLS 1.0
08:20<Cryogn>Hey, I'd like to test a RAID 1 I installed this morning, mainly to see if I the system can handle an hdd failure and keep running. Is there a way to do this without having to dismount the hdd manually? Thanks in advance.
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08:20<SynrG>prasad: you still didn't answer my question.
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08:20<SynrG>09:16 < SynrG> prasad: what changed? is this a fresh install? did you upgrade recently? if so, from what to what?
08:21<SynrG>prasad: also, see #debian-next for help for testing
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08:22<prasad>SynrG: it is fresh installation of debian testing, i was using it for couple of week ,but from yesterday i am facing this problem,that i not able to login to my account
08:23<SynrG>and what happened between a couple of weeks ago and yesterday? any upgrades?
08:23<SynrG>specifically, any upgrades since it last worked?
08:24<SynrG>or if not, when was the last upgrade?
08:24<SynrG>still trying to get an answer to my "what changed?" question and you're still not saying ...
08:24<prasad>SynrG: i tried to install skype on it as it need multiarch
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08:26<SynrG>giving up, as i have other things to do. review /msg dpkg smart questions
08:26<SynrG>and also, #debian-next is probably better for this support anyway.
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08:29<prasad>SynrG: i am not getting what answer you want about (what changed?)
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08:29<SynrG>prasad: i asked if there were any upgrades. you talked about an *install*. this is not an upgrade. did you, or did you not do any upgrades? did the install cause anything to be upgraded?
08:30<SynrG>it seems unlikely the installation of skype would break logins.
08:30<SynrG>however, the upgrade of a dependency might.
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08:30<foneys>installed semplice...nice done! good distro...but i have a problem with flash videos, becoming dark suddenly
08:31<SynrG>when were logins working last? what changed since then that might have caused the breakage? (and "the system was upgraded" and/or "the system was rebooted for the first time after the last upgrade" are both examples that might affect it)
08:31<prasad>SynrG: yes, when i made that installation the dependency were broked so i fixed it by aptirude install -f
08:31<SynrG>!semplice foneys
08:31<dpkg>Semplice is a GNU/Linux distribution based on Debian <unstable>. It is not suppored in #debian. #semplice on See also <based on debian>.
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08:31<foneys>ok thx
08:32<SynrG>foneys: ^^ or if you're in xchat, right-click to connect to irc://
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08:33<SynrG>prasad: so, before executing that command, logins worked, and after, they did not?
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08:34<SynrG>prasad: if apt/aptitude aborted, and you *only* did aptitude install -f to fix, there may be additional upgrades that should've been done that have not yet been done.
08:34<SynrG>prasad: i would do: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
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08:35<prasad>SynrG: no it wasn't working,so to fix that i did it...and the aptitude was prompting to do that so
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08:37<SynrG>prasad: you mean logins have been broken ever since you used the *unreleased and untested* jessie installer?
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08:37<weerr>hi. im trying to configure nvidia xserver settings. but edditing the xorg config file dosent seem to make any difference, my setting woundt work after restart. how do i start nvidia x server setting as root in the terminal ?
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08:38<SynrG>prasad: the only supported way to install jessie is to install wheezy and then upgrade.
08:38<SynrG>prasad: if you managed to install jessie successfully via DVD and logins worked ... then OK, that's fine.
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08:38<SynrG>prasad: but if you're asking us to help debug a problem you've had ever since you installed, we don't support that.
08:38<SynrG>!testing installer
08:38<dpkg>Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage.
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08:47<none>Maulkin, link of wikipedia about usenet clients looks a bit crap tbh at least for unix/like systems they dont even have sabnzbd
08:47<txt-file>none: just add it
08:47<themill>none: you could fix that
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08:53<none>yeah i know might add it on wikipedia, if someone have to suggest any usenet posting app that support yenc.ssl,etc with gui let me know.
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09:12<Vio|ent>Any help with fglrx drivers? I'm running debian wheezy 64bit on a A8-6600k with radeon HD8570D, X fails to start after installing the driver. Xorg log says that "(EE) no screens are detected", any suggestions?
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09:15<petn-randall>Vio|ent: How did you install fglrx? Do you have xserver-xorg-video-all installed?
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09:16<Vio|ent>Yes xserver-xorg-video-radeon
09:17<SynrG>Vio|ent: what is HD8570D? i don't even see it on upstream's matrix here:
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09:18<SynrG>,v flgrx-driver
09:18<judd>No package named 'flgrx-driver' was found in i386.
09:18<SynrG>bah, typos
09:18<SynrG>,v fglrx-driver
09:18<judd>Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; jessie/non-free: 1:13.12-3; sid/non-free: 1:13.12-3
09:18<petn-randall>Vio|ent: That's the open source video driver, it doesn't work with fglrx.
09:18<SynrG>(and yes, i know i cited the free driver as 'upstream' and you're talking about fglrx)
09:19<SynrG>petn-randall: you asked two questions, however. he answered one.
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09:19<Vio|ent>But i tried to install catalyst drivers even without xorg-server, but X doesn't start anyway
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09:20<Vio|ent>And radeon richland hd8570D is my integrated VGA and supported from latest catalyst drivers
09:21<SynrG>Vio|ent: again, "How did you install fglrx?"
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09:21<SynrG>are you installing using debian's non-free, or using ATI's installer?
09:22<Vio|ent>Ati installer
09:22<dpkg>To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on
09:22<SynrG>that is not ours, and we can't support it.
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09:23<Vio|ent>So it's not supported... i see :/
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09:28<SynrG>Vio|ent: it's not that it's not supported. it's not supported *here*
09:28<SynrG>Vio|ent: it *is* supported at #ati @
09:29<SynrG>it's their software, so they support it
09:29<SynrG>if they don't answer right away, be patient
09:29<Vio|ent>Okay, thanks
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09:31<none>Vio|ent, from my expierence and ours its better to use open source drivers
09:31<Vio|ent>But open source drivers, for now, don't support HD8000 series
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09:40<none>Vio|ent, oh its HD8000 yeah freenode #ati then as SynrG said.
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09:41<Vio|ent>:) next time I won't buy latest hardware haha
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09:44<petn-randall>Vio|ent: Intel usually has the video drivers as open source in the kernel before the hardware comes out, pick that next time ;)
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09:47<Vio|ent>Hehe well I never had issues with AMD and various linux distros, just with this one, but I hope even free source drivers will soon work with HD8000 series :)
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09:49<triakcz>Hi all, please who can tell me how can I install package without running postinst and configuration hook ? I'm trying to create PXE image via makefile, so I debootstrap and then I chroot into it and run apt-get install some packages. For example installing mdadm that way doesn't work, because it runs post install script which tries to examine md arrays but I has no access to /proc, but when I bindmount /proc, it works, but hangs that process.
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09:50<petn-randall>triakcz: You need /dev, /proc and /sys in the chroot to work.
09:51<triakcz>Yes, but I want that install not to do anything in host system
09:52<triakcz>petn-randall: So I prefer to skip that hook completely if there is any possibility how to do it
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09:55<Hypfer>hello everyone :) i want to use debian for a router. forwarding between 2 ethernet devices via iptables works fine, but i have some problems with hostapd
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09:55<Hypfer>the client is able to connect, but it doesn't get an IP via dhcp (dnsmasq)
09:55<Hypfer>the client is constantly sending DHCPREQUEST
09:55<Hypfer>and the router answers this with a DHCPOFFER
09:55<Hypfer>but somehow this DHCPOFFER never gets to the client
09:55<Hypfer>any ideas?
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10:01<roughnecks>Hypfer: you may need a dhcp relay if you need to cross a router
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10:13<SynrG>Hypfer: or maybe bridge instead of forward?
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10:13<nocturnal>can anyone confirm to me that the rescue iso contains gdisk?
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10:14<nocturnal>debian live rescue iso
10:14<petn-randall>nocturnal: I can confirm. Used it just yesterday.
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10:14<nocturnal>I need to convert to GPT
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10:14<nocturnal>so I'm using the rescue iso
10:14<SynrG>Hypfer: i don't use debian to bridge my networks, but use openwrt instead. DHCP crosses that boundary just fine.
10:15<triakcz>Hypfer: just do not use forwarding, I'm using bridge on RaspberryPi between wlan and eth and it works fine
10:15<SynrG>nocturnal: and there's a more general answer to that question in the
10:15<triakcz>hostapd can be configured to connect to bridge
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10:16<petn-randall>triakcz: Then a chroot is the wrong way to do it. /proc is need to most programs to access the pty.
10:16<Hypfer>i dont want to bridge!
10:16<Hypfer>the machine with the wifi card is the dhcp server
10:16<triakcz>petn-randall: And is there any other method how to "cook an image" ?
10:16<SynrG>Hypfer: then see roughnecks's answer
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10:18<Hypfer>whats a dhcp relay?
10:19<SynrG>trifolio6: you could unpack the image, modify the maintainer scripts you don't want running, then repack it with the modified scripts.
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10:19<SynrG>curse you tab-completion!
10:19<SynrG>triakcz: you could unpack the image, modify the maintainer scripts you don't want running, then repack it with the modified scripts.
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10:21<triakcz>it doesn't seem to be so easy, but I can definitelly try
10:21<petn-randall>Hypfer: I've got a similar setup at home. Are you running wheezy? hostapd needs to "know" it's in a bridge, which is why it has to be explicitly set in hostapd.conf
10:21<triakcz>So I will have to install it via dpkg -i
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10:22<SynrG>triakcz: not necessarily. you could unpack the deb, modify the maintainer script, repack the deb, and use a tool like apt-ftparchive to make a local repo out of the dir the deb is in
10:22<petn-randall>triakcz: I don't understand why you just don't use the chroot properly, instead of hammering the square peg into the round hole.
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10:24<SynrG>triakcz: a slicker solution is to obtain the source package, modify its source, build the new package with your own control information (makes it easier to pin) and install from your locally generated apt repo :)
10:24<Hypfer>i've bridged it
10:24<Hypfer>and everything works
10:24<Hypfer>okay, then i'll have to use br0
10:24<Hypfer>thanks for your support :)
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10:25<triakcz>petn-randall: because there is another raid configuration on the host system and I don't want that install to interact with that host system
10:26<SynrG>i've seen this before ... raid stuff "bleeding through" into the chroot.
10:26<SynrG>it's annoying
10:26<triakcz>and it creates configuration file which is unusable on system where PXE image boots afterwards
10:26<SynrG>i don't think we (debian-live project) ever made a satisfactory solution for this class of problem :p
10:27<triakcz>SynrG: yes, it is exactli that problem
10:27<SynrG>if you build a live 'rescue' image, it ends up with raid crap from the build system on it
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10:27<SynrG>you have to modify the bogus raid conf
10:27<triakcz>s/i/y/g :D
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10:28<SynrG>triakcz: a better hack might be to run a hook after package install to undo the 'damage' done by the postinst
10:28<petn-randall>triakcz: KVM is a way around that problem. Or try cowbuilder, I think they solved the most problems around building packages.
10:28<SynrG>at least that way you're not dealing with hacked packages.
10:29<triakcz>petn-randall: It's good idea to run it in KVM
10:30<triakcz>just that I have to make virtual disk, because now I'm using chroot which I in the end pack as cpio.gz archive
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10:31<petn-randall>triakcz: pbuilder/cowbuilder might also work, they have quite a few workarounds for common chroot problems. KVM is a more complete solution, though it has more overhead (it's a fully virtualized guest).
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10:32<triakcz>petn-randall: yes, I can imagine how to use it
10:33<triakcz>That pxe image is for that purpose, It is host system for KVM guests
10:33<triakcz>I'm trying to make it fully diskless
10:33<triakcz>to be able to change server in few minutes in case of hardware failure
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10:37<SynrG>triakcz: btw, if you can imagine some kind of patch to the postinst that could detect "hey i'm in a chroot" and dtrt, then this might be the best solution of all ... if you can convince the maintainer to apply it.
10:37<triakcz>this is very good idea
10:37<triakcz>but I don't have any idea how to detect chroot
10:37<triakcz>if there are all of /proc /sys and /dev accesible
10:38<SynrG>triakcz: check the maintainer scripts of udev
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10:40<triakcz>I will try to find it and in case it can help, I will report it as a wishlist bug
10:40<triakcz>SynrG: Thank you for that nice Idea
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12:00<Hadi>hello, i seem to have dns problems with my debian vps, it's not connecting to internet at all... how do i check if my dns is set and what it is set to?
12:01<roughnecks>Hadi: /etc/resolv.conf
12:02<Hadi>roughnecks: i think something is wrong. above my dns number there is a line
12:02<Hadi>roughnecks: it says (sesarch
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12:03<roughnecks>is that a domain you know about?
12:03<Hadi>roughnecks: no. i told my vps provider to reinstasl debian and they did it
12:04<fahi>Hadi: you should define a nameserver also, nut just the search domain
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12:04<roughnecks>comment that line with a "#" in front of it and try again
12:04<Hadi>fahi: there is a dns below that line
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12:04<roughnecks>he said he has a dns number
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12:04<fahi>oh, sorry
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12:06<Hadi>roughnecks: can i edit resolv.conf? doesn't it break anything?
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12:07<roughnecks>not that i'm aware of, unless you're using a dhcp server
12:07<Hadi>roughnecks: i commented it. should i execute any command?
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12:08<Hadi>well, still nothing.
12:08<roughnecks>Hadi: can you ping ?
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12:09<roughnecks>that's google dns
12:09<Hadi>roughnecks: yes i can
12:10<Hadi>roughnecks: can you help me change my dns to google's? should i just edit resolv.conf?
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12:10<roughnecks>and you can't ping, right?
12:10<Hadi>roughnecks: no i cannot
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12:10<roughnecks>just replace the nameserver line
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12:12<Hadi>roughnecks: it works. thanks
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12:29<AreYouLoco>hello i am using terminator and openbox. how do i set default command which runs everytime after opening terminator?
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12:30<AreYouLoco>i had some tries with .bash_login and terminator --command="mycommand" -> no success
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12:35<AreYouLoco>added 'cmatrix -fabs' to the end of .bashrc and it works:D sorry for bothering
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13:34<rostam>Hi I am setting up a local mirror using debmirror. There is a python pkg, autobhn which I install it manually using "pip install autobhn" How could I include that in my local mirror using debmirror? thx
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13:43<Apollo>rostam: pip doesnt use debian mirrors or anything
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13:44<Apollo>pip is completely seperate from debian
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13:45<SynrG>so i guess the short answer is: "squid"
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13:47<nocturnal>how do I set the boot flag in gdisk? I just converted a MBR partition table to GPT and it won't boot. looking at p in gdisk shows no start flag set on the boot partition.
13:47<nocturnal>I can't find it in the menu
13:47<nocturnal>I'm on the rescue iso
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13:48<nocturnal>I can set the attribute boot, with the a command
13:48<nocturnal>I'll try that.
13:49<nocturnal>legacy bios boot attribute
13:49<petn-randall>nocturnal: Are you booting with classic BIOS or UEFI? Either way, you will need a system boot partition (not the same as /boot).
13:49<nocturnal>it's a proliant g8 and I read online that some intel boards won't boot GPT.
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13:49<nocturnal>yes I have a /boot partition
13:50<nocturnal>sda1 is /boot and sda2 is lvm
13:50<nocturnal>wheezy btw
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13:51<nocturnal>hmm I forget how to check the boot option in the bios
13:51<petn-randall>nocturnal: Read again, you still need a GPT boot partition.
13:51<nocturnal>yes I thought I had one?
13:51<nocturnal>the old /boot
13:51<petn-randall>Oh wait, you're *not* booting with UEFI?
13:52<nocturnal>I forget how to check
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13:53<petn-randall>On GPT you will need either one. This is *not* the same as your sda1, which is /boot.
13:53<nocturnal>ok but if I had an old /boot partition with the mbr partitioning. and converted that partitioning to GPT. is that enough?
13:53<nocturnal>so I need both the old /boot and a new EFI boot partition
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13:53<petn-randall>nocturnal: Yes.
13:54<nocturnal>rats =/
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13:57<petn-randall>nocturnal: Not as bad as you might think. It's just needs to be maybe 1 MB.
13:57<nocturnal>ok but how do I do this?
13:57<nocturnal>I'm googling insanely
13:57<nocturnal>I assume gdisk can create this partition
13:57<nocturnal>so I'm booting up into the rescue iso now
13:58<nocturnal>I have plenty of free space available
13:58<nocturnal>but I think it's all at the end of the last partition
14:00<petn-randall>nocturnal: Backup sda1, remove it, make a small partition EFI system partition (1 MB), and after that put your /boot, with one MB less.
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14:01<petn-randall>nocturnal: The EFI system partition needs to be mounted on /boot/efi in your system. You'll have to chroot into it to install grub-efi and fix your system.
14:01<nocturnal>oh so the efi partition must be first then.
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14:01<petn-randall>nocturnal: Not sure, but it makes most sense.
14:02<nocturnal>ok here goes
14:02<nocturnal>thanks for your help
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14:03<digitsm>What's the equivalent of device manager in debian linux"?
14:03<digitsm>whether a graphical or command line tool
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14:04<digitsm>I have an external HDD attached to my laptop through a USB cable, and I want to see the info of the internal HDD. I could see those info (like model num, etc.) in windows device manager. But I don't know how to see them in linux
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14:06<roughnecks>digitsm: hdparm -i /dev/<device>
14:07<digitsm>roughnecks: It says: /dev/sdb:
14:07<digitsm> HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Invalid argument
14:09<roughnecks>maybe it failed because the disk is connected via usb, i can't check at the moment if mine works
14:10<roughnecks>man hdparm explains something
14:10<roughnecks>/n usb
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14:10<roughnecks>sorry, i meant search for usb
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14:12<digitsm>roughnecks: You are correct. I could see info of my internal SATA drive but nothing for any of my external HDDs
14:13<digitsm>Maybe because they are using USB which doesn't support ATA commands
14:13<roughnecks>hdparm provides a command line interface to various kernel interfaces supported by the Linux SATA/PATA/SAS "libata" subsystem and the older IDE driver subsystem. Many newer (2008 and later) USB drive enclosures now also support "SAT" (SCSI-ATA Command Translation) and therefore may also work with hdparm. E.g. recent WD "Passport" models and recent NexStar-3 enclosures. Some options may
14:13<roughnecks>work correctly only with the latest kernels
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14:22<digitsm>roughnecks: You think there is no way to see those info over USB?
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14:23<roughnecks>probably not, but maybe someone else knows better
14:23<digitsm>I have recently bought a Seagate Backup Plus 2TB external desktop HDD. I only want to know what RPM and how many cache it has
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14:24<roughnecks>don't you trust the vendor info?
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14:26<digitsm>roughnecks: There is no vendor info about the RPM, cache and the model of internal HDD
14:26<petn-randall>digitsm: Does 'lshw' show you all the info?
14:26<digitsm>Should I install lshw?/
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14:27<petn-randall>digitsm: If you want to run it, yes.
14:27<digitsm>It was not installed. I am installing it
14:29<roughnecks>digitsm: that's weird
14:30<digitsm>petn-randall: Does 'lshw' take a long time to show anything?
14:33<digitsm>petn-randall: Ok! It was a very wonderfull command. But it only showed its serial number, no model number. I doubt I can find anything with that info
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14:39<petn-randall>digitsm: 'lsusb'? What are you trying to achieve?
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14:42<sasha_>Hi All
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14:43<none>Hi sasha_
14:43<digitsm>Fortunately the SATA connector of my external HDD can be detached and I can connect it directly to motherboard of my PC. But I don't have SATA power cable to attach and test it:(
14:43<sasha_>in tmux how do I switch between windows back and forth, in screen It works like ctrl-a a
14:44<SynrG>different meta-key, and the manual covers it
14:44<sasha_>meta key is set to ctrl -a already
14:44<SynrG>(i am not a tmux user, i only vaguely remember it from when i tried it once and went back to screen)
14:44*SynrG shrugs
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14:45<sasha_>ok, reading man tmux again :)
14:46<petn-randall>digitsm: Test what? What do you want to do?
14:46<SynrG>sasha_: ctrl-a ; ... maybe? i dunno, i'm just reading the man page and as i said, don't use it :)
14:47<SynrG>sasha_: there's a big chart of command keys. it's hard to know how they call this behaviour
14:47<digitsm>petn-randall: I want to find the model number (e.g. via hparm -i /dev/sdX) and then search for the info of the internal HDD used
14:47<SynrG>sasha_: or ctrl-a l ?
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14:47<SynrG>just from a brief look, these seem like likely candidates
14:48<SynrG>i got tired of "let's remap all the default tmux keys to just like i had them in screen ..."
14:48<petn-randall>digitsm: check out 'man smartctl', you can query the SMART status of the drive through the USB bridge.
14:48<sasha_>SynrG, yes!
14:48<MrFrood>if memory serves me right ctrl+b is the meta key for tmux
14:49<sasha_>thanks, I must be blind :)
14:49<sasha_>MrFood, yes, by default
14:49<SynrG>MrFrood: yah. which he mapped to ctrl-a. that was the first thing i did, too :)
14:49<sasha_>but I am old screen user
14:49<none>I install wine, but strange thing is that I cant see any icon with wine. gnome here
14:49<MrFrood>sasha_: I still am an old scren user
14:49<SynrG>eventually the alleged benefits of switching to tmux ...
14:49<SynrG>were totally dwarfed by the pita of switching
14:50<SynrG>i don't remember if tmux even lasted one week
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14:50<sasha_>it is useful to know both things, for example I know how to exit from emacs :)
14:50<petn-randall>none: you usually run 'wine <your program>' from the command line, or it's in the context menu of your file browser. It's because wine alone won't do anything.
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14:51<sasha_>I try tmux from time to time
14:51<SynrG>and then screen upstream was revived, a couple of years back, making it a whole lot better.
14:52<sasha_>yes, I still stumble upon articles describing that screen can't do vertical split and each time check that it works
14:52<none>petn-randall, i remember wine had an icon was before gnome shell, on old gnome last time i use it that changed?
14:52<stderr>digitsm: This one?
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14:53<me>digitsm: the gnome disk-utility is pretty good at giving a graphical overview of all your attached disks...
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14:56<digitsm>me: Thanks. gnome disk-utility is great. At last it showed the model number of my device. ST2000DM001-1CH164
14:56<digitsm>No I can find more info just by searching that
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15:02<lostatwork>yeah i am not liking this as much as i like kde
15:02<ellis>are you oka
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15:10<digitsm>The gnome disk utility is wonderful. At last I could find all info I wanted to know except cache. It also shows SMART info :D
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15:15<me>digitsm: yes, it's pretty handy, I cam across it when I was looking for an easy way to do luks encryption...
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15:15<me>however I don't use it anymore since I find it easier just to enter in a few commands on cli
15:16<me>i also prefer gparted for simplicity so disk-utility got purged from my system... it was purty though as far as graphical user interfaces go...
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15:17<me>warning : you might want to check the web for bugs in disk-utility... I think that was another reason why I stopped using it... However for your application in might be fine.
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15:19<digitsm>me: I only wanted to find the model of internal HDD of md external Seagate drive.
15:20<digitsm>But I found out that the internal HDD of my laptop (WD blue 5400RPM 500GB) has 31 bad sectors.
15:20<digitsm>Are 31 bad sectors a high number?
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15:21<stderr>It's 31 higher than my standard...
15:23<digitsm>Hmmm. So my internal HDD is getting old and prone to errors. I am glad that I bought a new backup system :D
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15:28<Zoohouse>Hello everyone
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15:31<Zoohouse>I want to boot into console (have X not load). I edited the inittab file so that Crushbang would load to runlevel 1 instead of 2 (the default is 2). This worked but it automatically logged me in as root instead of displaying a login in console. I would like console to ask me for a username and password instead of logging me into root. How do I go about this?
15:31<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. #crunchbang on See <based on debian>.
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15:32<al_>hello guys
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15:39<HRH_H_Crab>hi, any xen experts in the place?
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15:40<dpkg>Someone who knows at least 1% more about a subject than youself. So just ask your real question.
15:40<HRH_H_Crab>o.k. i have installed xen and i want to use virt-manager
15:41<SynrG>waiting for the question ...
15:41<HRH_H_Crab>libvirtd is bombing out with messages about: Initialization of LIBXL state driver failed: Unable to lookup SELinux process context: Invalid argument
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15:41<HRH_H_Crab>so far i have worked out that the xl toolset is the "new" toolset and is not enabled by default in debian
15:41<HRH_H_Crab>so a simple edit to /etc/default/xen has fixed that up
15:41<HRH_H_Crab>but still no dice.
15:41<HRH_H_Crab>libvirtd dies.
15:42<HRH_H_Crab>what gives?
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15:45<HRH_H_Crab>thats about all i can find in terms of documentation
15:45<HRH_H_Crab>as you can see there isnt much there.
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16:10<b4n>hi, I know this channel is a bit too generic maybe, but I can't seem to find an aptitude-specific one so I'm tryin here if you may
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16:10<b4n>so, do anyone know how to search for installed obsolte *versions* with aptitude?
16:11<b4n>like ~S~i~o, but for an obsolete installed versions rather than obsolete package
16:12<b4n>~S~i!(~Astable|~Aunstable|~Atesting|~Aexperimental) works, but it's long, unpractical and quite hakish since it simply excludes existing archives
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16:13<dondelelcaro>b4n: why do that? just look for upgradable packages
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16:14<nocturnal>hey petn-randall, or anyone familiar with GPT in wheezy, I'm in gdisk now. I've backed up by /boot partition. I've deleted it and re-created it as partition number 2 starting from sector 4096. (512 byte sectors so that should be enough for 1MB+ EFI partition). then I can create a partition 1 as EFI system type from sector 1024. and I've read that it should be vfat, but what do I put in it?
16:14<b4n>dondelelcaro: no, I have a few packages that came from deb-multimedia, but that aren't in it anymore
16:14<b4n>dondelelcaro: but the package still exist in stable, so it's not obsolete
16:14<b4n>but the version I have is
16:14<dondelelcaro>b4n: if it's obsolete, then it should be upgradable
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16:15<b4n>no, because it's installed to a newer version than the one that exist in the repositories
16:15<dondelelcaro>well, in Debian, obsolete versions will always be upgradable
16:15<b4n>and priority 500 from debian repo don't trigger downgrading of installed stuff at 100
16:16<dondelelcaro>but if you're using non debian packages, then you can just do the same query or similar that you're doing
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16:16<petn-randall>nocturnal: Make sure it's labeled right, let grub-efi do the rest for you.
16:17<nocturnal>petn-randall: by labeled you mean ef00 EFI System type?
16:17<petn-randall>nocturnal: yeah, right.
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16:18<b4n>dondelelcaro: ok, so I'm left with hacks, let's use it then
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16:19<b4n>hum, I see I even have some packages from stable, gosh
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16:19<nocturnal>petn-randall: I think this is it
16:19<nocturnal>now I'll just mkfs and move the /boot files back
16:19<nocturnal>but no contents on the efi partition
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16:20<nocturnal>and I haven't touched the LVM
16:20<petn-randall>nocturnal: Right. Then set up the mount point right, and chroot into it, then install grub-efi.
16:20<telemaster>can somone help me? What's up with "iwlwifi-5000-3" and "-4" and "-5" needed on network install. Only found .deb file with all of them but debian install manager cannot't find 'em. I need those unpacked or what?
16:20<nocturnal>thanks a bunch
16:20<b4n>dondelelcaro: BTW, do you have a clue why aptitude things xul-ext-firebug is upgradable but the version it wants to install me is experimental's and has priority -10?
16:21<Guest496>Dear Members, I don't want o uninstall Debian because I like it. But why can't I activate Magic Lamp effect on KDE?
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16:25<telemaster>please? :)
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16:28<telemaster>tryin a installing das debian but cannot causeof missing those iwlwifi-5000-3 to iwlwifi-5000-5 pax. why only I find em in bigpax on deb-site?
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16:30<telemaster>what evva
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16:31<dondelelcaro>b4n: what's the output of apt-cache policy xul-ext-firebug? [that might have some more information]
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16:33<dondelelcaro>b4n: I assume it's asking to upgrade to 1.13.0~a8-1
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16:37<MrFrood>telemaster: are these "non-free" drivers?
16:37<dondelelcaro>b4n: hrm; that looks a bit odd. Does it reselect if for upgrading if you go aptitude install xul-ext-firebug:;?
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16:38<dondelelcaro>b4n: I'm also not sure why you have experimental pinned to -10; it should be 1 by default
16:38<b4n>dondelelcaro: xul-ext-firebug: with the colon? does it select some... default arch?
16:39<dondelelcaro>b4n: no, it just cancels any action with that package
16:39<b4n>dondelelcaro: and well, I have a pin for experimental since froever, and I think at some point it needed that, didn't it?
16:40<b4n>dondelelcaro: oh ok, like ":" key in the aptitude curse UI? I already did that twice so I guess it won'"t, but let's try
16:40<dondelelcaro>b4n: possibly; the release file in experimental should cause it to "do the right thing™" nowadays
16:40<dondelelcaro>b4n: yeah, I think exactly the same
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16:41<b4n>dondelelcaro: anyway, yes, it's still the same
16:41<dondelelcaro>b4n: hrm; that's pretty odd. I don't see that behavior here
16:41<b4n>still wants to upgrade it, god may know why
16:41<b4n>ok, tahnks anyway
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16:42<dondelelcaro>b4n: sorry; good luck!
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16:42<b4n>thanks ^^
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16:42<telemaster>MrFrood: Yes. I need files containing proprietarian software, and the files are "iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode... " and so on
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16:43<dondelelcaro>telemaster: that's in the firmware-iwlwifi package
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16:43<dondelelcaro>telemaster: and if you need them to complete your install, you can use the install media which has them, or you can get the udeb to your install media, or similar
16:43<nocturnal>has mounting devfs changed in wheezy? I'm in a chroot that is giving errors due to missing /dev files but mount -t devfs devfs /mnt/dev is not working. no such fs.
16:44<dondelelcaro>telemaster: covers all of the details
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16:46<oldlaptop>telemaster: in particular you almost never need to go out and find whatever specific firmware file the installer says it wants
16:46<oldlaptop>just have the firmware-linux-nonfree deb (or one of the other firmware packages) on a USB drive
16:46<oldlaptop>it'll find what it needs no problem
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16:52<nocturnal>ok now I've figured out some of the issue. I'm in a chroot on the rescue cd trying to install grub-efi. but apt is trying to find the device behind /boot. and /dev/sda* is missing. sending '- - - ' to all scsi_hosts scan device is not helping. LVM is populated but how can I get /dev/sda to appear in devfs?
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16:53<Fidgett>hi. can anyone here help me? i am new to irc - and new to chatting - and i have just done my first clean install of debian - and my goal is to QUIT UBUNTU for GOOD and FOREVER - even though it is the only linux os i have ever used for my everyday computer use and job. i am on tails right now, although ubuntu is my normal everyday system. debian seems reasonable - to move to - since my occasional use of tails has [i think] given me a basic
16:53<Fidgett>i will check back in an hour or so for a response and i really appreciate any help to come... Thank You.
16:53<stderr>nocturnal: Did you bind mount /dev, /proc and so on before you chroot'ed?
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16:54<Fidgett>really - thank you, all.
16:54<stderr>Fidgett: What's the question?
16:54<nocturnal>before I chrooted I did mount -t sysfs sysfs /mnt/sys and then /dev appeared once I was chrooted. but /proc I did inside the chroot with mount -t proc proc /proc
16:54<nocturnal>perhaps wrong order
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16:54<Fidgett>what apparently-simple piece i am missing? my new clean install is just a black screen? where did i go wrong? it asks for the login - and after entering the username then it asks for and accepts my password... and it looks like i am in just some kind of "terminal" screen - but i am looking for a gui with "Applications/Places/System" across the top of a desktop - with some familiar icons on the left-hand side - such as "Computer" and "Tras
16:55<nocturnal>eh wrong, I also mounted procfs outside the chroot
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16:55<nocturnal>so both sysfs and procfs were mounted before chroot stderr
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16:56<stderr>nocturnal: You would normally do something like...
16:56<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI!
16:57<Fidgett>what apparently-simple piece i am missing? my new clean install is just a black screen? where did i go wrong?
16:58<stderr>Fidgett: Looks like you didn't install a desktop system.
16:58<stderr>Which CD did you use?
16:58<nocturnal>stderr: thanks that solved it
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16:59<stderr>nocturnal: No problem.
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16:59<Fidgett>in the expert install it Did ask and desktop WAS selected and i burned the disc from - i will check on which one...
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17:00<stderr>The one on the front page?
17:01<nocturnal>petn-randall: so now I've done these steps. a 1.5MB EFI system partition as first partition with vfat fs and no files. then my old /boot ext2 partition with my old /boot files. then my old LVM partition. and I've chrooted into my old system and installed grub-efi successfully and it has updated grub.cfg. so now I'll just try a reboot and pray
17:01<user8715>Hello. I used dd if=/dev/sdb of=/home/me/file.img to create a pendrive backup, but the partition was /dev/sdb1 and I can't mount with "mount -t vfat -o loop file.img /mnt/file"
17:01<user8715>How can I mount the partition in my image file?
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17:02<Fidgett>stderr: debian-7.3.0-i386-CD-1.iso was what i burned to disc.
17:02<stderr>user8715: I think mount has an "offset" option.
17:03<user8715>stderr: How much I should use this offset? 512?
17:03<stderr>user8715: Or you can use losetup and its -o option.
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17:03<stderr>Depends on where you partition starts. "file file.img" might give a hint.
17:04<stderr>Fidgett: Do you want to use Gnome or KDE or XFCE or ...?
17:04<Fidgett>to stderr or anyone who may help me - i will check back within the hour - i just wish to dump ubuntu for debian! so thank you!
17:05<Fidgett>i think.
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17:05<Fidgett>gnome is what i am familiar with, i believe from lucid/ubuntu.
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17:06<stderr>Log in as root and run "aptitude install xorg gnome". That should do the trick.
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17:07<stderr>Or at least get you a good way closer to where you want to be.
17:07<Fidgett>thank you - seriously - i really appreciate this im-ing - i am a Very Appreciative noob- back in < an hour.
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17:18<nocturnal>jesus, after all this work I discover that the latest HP Proliant server generation 8 does not even support EFI yet. hp has made a conscious choice not to support EFI because they believe it will "provide the best customer value".
17:19<nocturnal>so now I have to split the RAID volume and use a MBR boot disk
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17:19<Underbyte>hello all, could someone clue me into who maintains thanks
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17:20<Underbyte>specifically, i'm looking for the rather nifty plugin for jenkins that you guys use on your monitor:
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17:34<Grenville>hello all.
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17:35<Grenville>I've come looking for some non-mutual aid.
17:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:36<dddddddd>different server
17:36<Grenville>I'm using wheezy. I can't work out how to configure exim4 (?) to let me send emails.
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17:36<dddddddd>I need help, I installed debian stable 7.3 but my wireless intel 7260 doesn't work
17:37<dddddddd>Intel® Wireless 7260 (3.10)
17:37<Grenville>frankly, I'm too scared even to get to the error message stage.
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17:37<dddddddd>I added some type of backports source but I'm not sure how to install it from there
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17:38<b4n>dondelelcaro: ok nevermind, I'm an idiot, I should have better read apt-cache policy's output, that tells me I have a Pin on xul-ext-firebox, which is indeed true (I did that at a time it was required for it to work with latest iceweasel and forgot). sorry
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17:38<Fidgett>i am a desparate-to-dump-ubuntu noob. i posted my black-screen dilema above. stderr: you thot that perhaps i did not install a desktop system? the install disc that i burned was debian-7.3.0-i386-CD-1.iso - and i just looked again at and i see the CDs 2-8 also. did i actually need any of those? i have only ever successfully tried ubuntu and tails and i could not find a total-noob tutorial... does anyone know what i missed that
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17:39<MrFrood>Fidgett: cd1 is all you need
17:39<stderr>Fidgett: CD1 is more than enough. The rest will be downloaded from the net.
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17:40<MrFrood>Fidgett: can you ctrl+alt+F1 to get a tty?
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17:41<b4n>dondelelcaro: so as usual, the error was the user :)
17:42<Fidgett>i am looking to see what a tty is...
17:42<stderr>MrFrood: He's already there. It seems he doesn't have X installed.
17:42<MrFrood>stderr: blank screen not equal a tty
17:43<stderr><Fidgett> what apparently-simple piece i am missing? my new clean install is just a black screen? where did i go wrong? it asks for the login - and after entering the username then it asks for and accepts my password... and it looks like i am in just some kind of "terminal" screen - but i am looking for a gui with "Applications/Places/System" across the top of a desktop - with some familiar icons on the left-hand side - such as "Compute
17:43<stderr>r" and "Tras
17:43<MrFrood>Fidgett: do you have a comman prompt?
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17:43<MrFrood>er.. command prompt
17:43<stderr>MrFrood: Try reading what I just copy/pasted...
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17:43<MrFrood>stderr: yeah got it
17:44<MrFrood>so he just needs to install xorg & gnome then?
17:44<nevyn>Fidgett: login as root, then run tasksel and sellect "desktop system"
17:44<stderr>MrFrood: <stderr> Log in as root and run "aptitude install xorg gnome". That should do the trick.
17:44<MrFrood>Fidgett: yes do as nevyn says
17:45<b4n>stderr: better use a task as nevyn said
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17:45<MrFrood>that will teach me not to speed read the backlog
17:45<Fidgett>i did have a command prompt and i am now shredding over the entire [successfull?] clean install so i will have to install again. and i wish that i knew How to do as he said...
17:45<nevyn>Fidgett: so. you asked for advice...
17:45<MrFrood>Fidgett: you are reinstalling?
17:46<nevyn>Fidgett: but before it was provided. you deleted the entire install?
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17:46<nevyn>in the last 8 minutes?
17:46<Fidgett>um... not yet - i am shredding and will re-install in a couple of hours...
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17:46<Fidgett>yes. i am shredding the new install.
17:46<b4n>Fidgett: no need to shred a clean install even to reinstall it
17:47<stderr>Fidgett: Can I ask why you didn't just install xorg and gnome?
17:47<b4n>but anyway, if you re-do the install, don't forget to select the "desktop" component chen it asks what tpo install
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17:47<Fidgett>it is too late... and i must urgently leave and be back in an hour - i love you ALL. i'll be back. <3
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17:48<stderr>I am a bit puzzled by this one: <Fidgett> in the expert install it Did ask and desktop WAS selected and i burned the disc from - i will check on which one...
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17:49<stderr>Fidgett: No offence, but maybe "expert install" isn't for you?
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17:51<Fidgett>i don't know what xorg is - i am a linux-noob/non-techy - thanks so much - i really appreciate you all being here - i am desparate to try a basic-vanilla debian. back in an hour or so. <3 no offense taken - i use fully-encrypted ubuntu and did the expert install with a tutorial and was hoping to be just as successfull with deb-
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17:51<user8715>stderr ty
17:51<stderr>user8715: It worked?
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17:51<Fidgett>so i guess i am not quite a noob - but non-techy enuff to FEEL very nooby-ish.
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17:52<user8715>I recovered using tetdisk a file on a SD card, but the recovered info is a jpeg image, not the AMR file, why this happens?
17:52<user8715>stderr I'll test in some minutes
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17:53<stderr>Fidgett: "xorg" is the X server. The usual way to show graphics on Linux.
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17:54<Fidgett>stderr: Yes - just caught your comment - and desktop WAS selected. or perhaps i just made a mistake - and perhaps it was like a fluke that i screwed it up...
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17:55<Fidgett>i mean perhaps it was selected and i accidently un-selected it without noticing or some such...
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17:55<stderr>Fidgett: Anyway, next time something doesn't work, try fixing the problem instead of starting all over. It'll usually be much faster.
17:55<Fidgett>back-i 'll b...
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18:08<phoenix>Any awesome window manager pro's out there can answer a question?
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18:08<b4n>phoenix: ask your wuestion and you'll see ;)
18:09<babilen>phoenix: There is #awesome ;)
18:10<phoenix>haha awesome! Yes, on distrowatch website it states that debian comes with awesomewm, but I couldn't find that version... still newish to linux command line, so prefer it preconfigured.
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18:11<babilen>judd: v awesome
18:11<judd>Package: awesome on i386 -- squeeze: 3.4.6-1; wheezy: 3.4.13-1; jessie: 3.4.15-1; sid: 3.4.15-1; experimental: 3.5.2-1
18:12<babilen>phoenix: You are looking for ^^^
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18:13<oldlaptop>phoenix: You can also find out what version of a package is installed (or available) with 'aptitude show <package>'
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18:13<phoenix>thank you kindly ppls :) Love debian so far!
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18:17<mpfusion_>Is there a korganizer like application for gnome?
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18:19<stderr>Maybe... What's korganizer?
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18:20<mpfusion_>stderr: a personal organizer, calendar, tasks, todo list, etc.
18:21<mpfusion_>I tried orage from the xfce project, but it's very simple
18:21<stderr>gtg - organizer for the GNOME desktop environment
18:21<mpfusion_>so I was wondering if gnome has a native app for that
18:21<stderr>Maybe that one?
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18:22*mpfusion_ is installing gtg
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18:23<slept>mpfusion_, evolution for email, calendar, contacts, tasks and notes...
18:24<mpfusion_>evolution does want me to setup an email account before I can even use that program. That's not what I want
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18:24<stderr>mpfusion_: You might want to try something like "apt-cache search gnome organizer".
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18:25<slept>mpfusion_, you can click on "skip/cancel" for the wizzard part
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18:25<mpfusion_>gtg is too simple, it doesn't even feature a calendar
18:25<mpfusion_>oh really? can you skip the wizard? I missed that button apparently
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18:27<mpfusion_>slept: The program refuses to start if you cancel the wizzard.
18:29<mpfusion_>So either gtg or evolution seem to be the native gnome application. That's actually what I wanted to know. Thanks to both of you.
18:29<slept>oh, maybe username@localhost works...
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18:31*mpfusion_ is feeding the wizzard with random data atm
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18:31<mpfusion_>I like the interface
18:32<mpfusion_>looks clean and I like the calendar views
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18:50<Hadi>can i configure pastebinit to always paste to so i don't have to use the -b switch all the time?
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18:53<themill>!pastebinit config
18:53<dpkg>To configure pastebinit in squeeze to use, echo "<pastebinit><pastebin></pastebin><author>$USER</author><format>text</format><jabberid></jabberid></pastebinit>" > ~/.pastebinit.xml
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18:53<themill>(I think it defaults to paste.d.n in wheezy and then not again in jessie... such a pita)
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18:54<phoenix>mpfusion if you're willing to try a few cli utilities available from synaptic, these are todo lists, calendars: task, tudu, w2do, yokadi, org-mode, hnb, calcurse, devtodo. Most are ncurses based
18:55<olasd>themill: apparently the switch to paste.d.n was done temporarily
18:55<olasd>which is... a shame
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18:57<themill>It'd be nice to have something like wgetpaste as Priority: standard (since wget is P: important) then a standard install would have a simple pastebin tool
18:57<telemaster>oldlaptop: tu. Gett'n them non-free installer helped!
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19:03<Hadi>ok, i have found the configuration thingy, seems like that you have to make a .pastebinit.xml in user's home directory
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19:04<LtL>Hadi: the bot told you exactly how to do that. scroll up.
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19:06<petn-randall>nocturnal: You also need to mount the EFI system partition to /boot/efi. How far did you get?
19:06<Hadi>LtL: oh lol... right
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19:12<littlebear>btw, does this show my IP or does it only show my domain?
19:12<nevyn>your ip isn't a secret.
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19:22<littlebear-mac>good afternoon everyone
19:22<littlebear-mac>I hope everyone had a wonderful or what's left of it
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19:24<nocturnal>petn-randall: thanks but forget it, I found out that HP has no EFI boot support at all.
19:24<nocturnal>now I'm trying to convert back to MBR
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19:24<nocturnal>I've hit a snag with grub. it starts but grub seems to be trying to start /dev/sdb which is my rescue ISO USB stick with partition type 0x7.
19:25<nocturnal>I can't take the stick out since I'm remote controlling the server
19:25<nocturnal>I could perhaps disable usb but it would be nicer to just have grub look on the right disk
19:25<SamB>nocturnal: well, what can you do?
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19:25<SamB>I mean, can you edit the grub configuration?
19:26<nocturnal>I'm in a chroot
19:26<SamB>nocturnal: also re EFI boot it's probably just as well you don't have to use that ;-P
19:26<petn-randall>nocturnal: Oh wow. I thought you had checked that first thing. Does maybe a newer BIOS version allow UEFI boot?
19:26<nocturnal>I've done grub-install in the chroot. then I end up with this type of boot line linux /vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/...
19:26<SamB>well, hmm, which grub is booting?
19:26<nocturnal>petn-randall: HP conscious decision to not support EFI boot
19:26<SamB>and what is the ...
19:27<SamB>perhaps they reasonably decided "this is lame"?
19:27<SamB>wrt EFI boot
19:27<nocturnal>maybe, I can still use a GPT partition with a MBR boot but that doesn't matter now. I just want to restore this system
19:28<SamB>yeah, GPT doesn't sound stupid like EFI boot does
19:28<nocturnal>/dev/mapper/hostname bla bla. it's a valid path but it's not by uuid
19:28<SamB>well, what does fstab look like?
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19:29<nocturnal>oh yeah, that could be the problem SamB. /boot uuid has changed
19:29<nocturnal>and fstab is not updated
19:29<nocturnal>I had to re-make /boot
19:30<nocturnal>UUID=76084210-9ebd-4a8a-a3a4-68dba6c539d6 /boot ext2 defaults 0 2
19:30<nocturnal>this line, uuid is old
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19:30<nocturnal>the rest looks ok because all other volumes use LVM device mapper paths
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19:32<nocturnal>and also this goes for --set-root in grub.cfg
19:32<nocturnal>same old uuid
19:32<nocturnal>I mean --set=root
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19:33<SamB>well, after you update fstab try re-running grub-mkconfig ?
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19:36<nocturnal>ok now the uuid is right in grub.cfg too.
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19:39<nocturnal>time to test this
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19:46<petn-randall>nocturnal: You can still BIOS boot with UEFI.
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19:47<petn-randall>nocturnal: Gotta catch some sleep, but I'm sure there are instructions on how to set it up.
19:47<nocturnal>thanks for all the help petn-randall.
19:49<nocturnal>HP has no UEFI boot option at all. their recommendation is bios boot to MBR and use GPT on large partitions. so my goal now is to just restore the system. and then when I know that I'll create a new /boot on a 250M raid volume that is MBR so I can later put the rest on GPT.
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19:58<nocturnal>rats, after fixing fstab, update-grub and making sure grub.cfg had the right uuid. now when I boot I just get a grub prompt instead of the debian themed options.
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19:59<nocturnal>I even saw that grub.cfg included the debian theme files
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20:02<nocturnal>huh, I ran the kernel and initrd commands manually and managed to boot the system.
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20:13<nocturnal>oh I had grub-legacy installed instead of grub-pc, that would do it
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21:04<Fidgett>stderr: regarding your comment: <Fidgett: Anyway, next time something doesn't work, try fixing the problem instead of starting all over. It'll usually be much faster.> point well taken... And... since i succeeded at the expert install in ubuntu and did full-disk encryption that i have successfully used for about 18 months or so, i figured that doing the same in debian would be about the same level of difficulty - and actually easier - sin
21:05<northwood>hi, i want to autostart several network interfaces at system startup. is "auto eth0 eth1 eth2" etc is a correct way of listing several interfaces for autostart in the /etc/network/interfaces file
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21:48<rjsalts>northwood: that will work fine. as will listing the interfaces on a separate line
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21:53<northwood><rjsalts> ok so these two examples would work aswell?
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21:54<northwood>as well*
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22:26<Toneh>I'm having trouble with getting a MBR setup. I suspect the disc is no longer good, but I'd like to know of a means to test that theory definitively. Anyone?
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22:42<rjsalts>northwood: I meant
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22:45<northwood><rjsalts> ok that ive already new but thank you for confirming the other way
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22:49<Fidgett>stderr: thank you for your input earlier - i am at that "select debian desktop environment" part and i have it selected... i will see soon.
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22:53<pinguy>my pen drive says read only file system while formating please help i want to format my pen drive
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23:02<Fidgett>anyone? i am a debian-noob and at the end of a clean install and at the question: is the system clock set to utc? if you don't know, can you go with yes without any disasterous effect?
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23:05<sney>Fidgett: the system clock is set to utc unless another OS has messed with it.
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23:07<Fidgett>tails does not mess with it, right?
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23:08<Fidgett>sney: the sys-clock? this box has only had windows and live-tails on it before...
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23:12<teward>is there a way to tell if a package was removed from the debian repositories?
23:13<teward>and if so, where can I find said details
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23:17<teward>rjsalts, tried that. i don't see any information about package removals there
23:17<teward>hence my asking here
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23:19<teward>rjsalts, also not what i was looking for. I found what i needed though
23:19*teward read the bugs list too quickly
23:19<teward>there's a migration block on the source package in question
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23:19<teward>which i missed, because I read the bugs list too fast
23:19<rjsalts>teward: so the package is in incoming?
23:20<rjsalts>teward: or unstable?
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23:21<Fidgett>i am a noob and have the same results now as several hours ago - another botched attempt at my first debian system. [my goal is to dump dumbuntu-lucid for good and forever.] i am wondering if the "3.2.0-4-686-pae" choice was "wrong..." it was highlited as the "default" choice - are the choices selected/highlighted generally correct?
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23:22<teward>rjsalts, in unstable, but because of very good reasons (which Ubuntu already accepted as reason to purge the package from the next release) the package is blocked from migration, which answers my question :)
23:22<teward>(it's been that way for a while according to the bug)
23:22<teward>(based by the Debian bug filing date)
23:22<teward>thanks though.
23:22<rjsalts>teward: which package?
23:23<teward>rjsalts, irrelevant, it's not my package.
23:23<teward>i was doing research for newbies :P
23:23<teward>rjsalts, having said that, my question was answerd
23:23*teward makes a note to read things better :P
23:23<teward>rjsalts, if you're *really* curious, it's src:bitcoin
23:23<teward>but ultimately it's irrelevant since it isn't my own package :)
23:24*teward returns to the shadows, and lurks
23:24<nevyn>Fidgett: do you have a system built in the last 4 years?
23:24<nevyn>how much ram do you have?
23:25<Fidgett>a debian?
23:25<Fidgett>4G ram
23:25<rjsalts>Fidgett: the hardware? is it built in the last 4 years?
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23:25<teward>Fidgett, the question is better worded as: "Is the hardware in your system no older than 4 years of age?"
23:26<teward>like rjsalts said. :)
23:26<Fidgett>not sure - i think it is 4 years - maybe 3 and a half.
23:26<rjsalts>Fidgett: 3.2 should be fine
23:27<rjsalts>Fidgett: I'd probably got with amd64 kernel, even on i386 port, but either should work
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23:31<rjsalts>Fidgett: how is your installation failing?
23:31<Fidgett>i am not sure how i went wrong - and someone politely suggested a few hours ago that maybe the "expert" install is not for me- but i [as a noob and following a tutorial] successfully did a full-disk encrypted ubuntu system about 18 months ago - and i am trying to do the same with debian - in order to dump ubuntu - because i don't want to upgrade past lucid and move to unity and their other changes that are even worse for my needs.
23:32<teward>Fidgett, apart from what I call obvious failures in your arguments, that hasn't answered the question of "what you see" going wrong
23:33<teward>... oh that reminds me, I misplaced my debian ISOs again...
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23:34<Fidgett>i have only a black terminal-ish looking screen and it says that it cannot find my volume group - and
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23:35<Fidgett>the only thing i have done differantly than my successful fully-encrypted ubuntu-system is that this time i chose for /home to be separate...
23:36<Fidgett>i have no separate /home on my full-disk encrypted ubuntu.
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23:38<rjsalts>Fidgett: that shouldn't matter that much. It's having trouble finding the lvm volume group. I assume you have /boot on a partition and then lvm physical volumes in another
23:39<rjsalts>Fidgett: does your initrd include pvscan?
23:39<Fidgett>rjsalts: i have no idea.
23:40<Fidgett>it IS saying volume group not found.
23:40<rjsalts>Fidgett: your volume group lives in one or more physical volumes
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23:40<rjsalts>Fidgett: my point was TIAS
23:41<rjsalts>Fidgett: i.e. does typing pvscan give any result
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23:42<Fidgett>yes...tias - what does that mean? [i sheepishly ask] and i will type pvscan.
23:42<rjsalts>Fidgett: try it and see
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23:45<Fidgett>i tried the pass again and now it has done what my previous attempt did - a black terminal-ish looking screen w/ small type instead of larger - and it asked for login and user pass - wh/ it accepted and -
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23:48<Fidgett>now i think i am in something called "bash" but not like that song "monster bash" - wait that was the monster-MASH... oh, God. please help a noob Dump Ubuntu!!!
23:48<rjsalts>Fidgett: paste the output of mount
23:49<rjsalts> or something
23:49<Fidgett>i must look for a usb to do that - i am now on a differant box and on tails.
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23:51<Fidgett>rjsalts: i am unsure of what you mean by that - do you mean to copy and paste what i am reading in the terminal/black-screen?
23:52<rjsalts>Fidgett: okay, just see if it's mounted your encrypted volumes, or are you still in the initrd?
23:52<Fidgett>how do i do that?
23:52<rjsalts>Fidgett: look at the output of mount
23:53<rjsalts>Fidgett: does it say /dev/mapper/yourvolumegroup-youlogicalvolume on /
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23:58<Fidgett>pardon me - how do i do That? um - no - it says Linux [name] 3.2.04-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 i686 - then "the programs included... are free software: comes with no warrenty..." - then username@hostname:~$ pvscan [i put in] then: -bash: pvscan: command not found - then username @hostname:~$
23:58<teward>Fidgett, type in `mount`
23:58<teward>look at the output
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23:58<teward>without the ` characters though
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