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00:27<me>does anyone know which packages are needed in order to get full spice+virt-manager functionality? I have installed virt-manager, qemu-kvm, and libspice-gtk on the host, nothing yet on the guests... I have a working guest, however no spice integration and minimal graphics...
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01:08<me>how can I get audio from a VM using virt-manager and spice?
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01:33<me>how do I get spice and QXL video to work for virt-manager? I've tried the tutorials and when the vm boots the in crashes when starting X?
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01:34<me_>also, I am unable to get the vm's audio to work...
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01:43<chris2014green>what's in?
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02:09<Fidgett>1/4 > to ALL of you who have helped me in the past 30-40 hours: Thank You! I have a desktop!! i was able to start [the new] gnome right after the [old] computer that i am ON exibited the oddest behavior i have EVER seen. it seemed like i was being hacked and everything that i had open was unresponsive [even this chat client] while the disk was VERY loud; it's fine now. And in the system moniter, one item looked out of place... anyhow, i w
02:09<Fidgett>2/4 > [as i am now] and on a borrowed computer so - i shutdown for a bit - and finally: a fully-encrypted debian system - with which i intend to dump dumbuntu - after a period of learning debian and replicating this venture on the second disk - and getting the second grub to take over - and then allow me to use one as a backup-system. to whoever said that i indulge in too much nonsense and not enough technical: nonsense is one of my stron
02:10<Fidgett>3/4 > my charm. to sney: Thank you for GIVING to me - the BEST LAUGH of the week, so far, by saying that helping me is "LIKE SAILING THROUGH FOG." stderr_dk: you ROCK. i love you, all. thank you for being in this muc - and being Not-windows - Not-ubuntu - but Debian. i will pay Your kindness forward - and help others to ESCAPE INTO FREEDOM. i hope that i have just begun a relationship - with a new os - that will last longer than my last.
02:10<Fidgett>4/4 > and dissapointed me, i will always appreciate that ubuntu - ultimately - brought me here - and did, in fact, bring me into the linux-commnity. so will grub2 - on the 2nd disk - take over grub2 on the first disk - and offer up Either of 2 os-es for me to boot? and is there some fancy-extra trick i'm going to have to learn to do it? and some awesome tutorial that will keep my dense-fog out of your collective-hair >:) for the duration
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02:20<snogglethorpe>hmm, are those sequence numbers generated automatically...?
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02:23<Fidgett>if moi, then no.
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02:24<me>I'm trying to get virt-manager to work, right now I have no sound and lousy video using spice and qxl. I have also installed spice-vdagent on the guest. Why is performance so poor?
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02:27<firechariot>hello, is there somebody whom might have a clue concerning the nautilus-unstable package?
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02:29<firechariot>There are a few problems in Nautilus & posteri I reported a bug I noticed that there is a nautilus-unstable & nautilus-experimental package
02:32<me>firechariot - for unstable try #debian-next or a sid channel
02:32<me>this channel is for wheezy
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02:49<Radon_3>hi everyone, I am a little bit concerned about my security. I am frced to use a somewhat not-very-much-secure line to communicate with the world and I am guessing that my ISP might be fingering my information and the data that I recieve using their "internet", so is it secur if I use this service to uupdate my debian installation?
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02:50<Nemoder_>if you are worried about them seeing what packages you are installing then yes that's possible. if you are worried about them altering it then that would be much more difficult
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02:51<Radon_3>Nemoder_: I am mostly worried about th second part, I mean them altering theinf
02:51<Radon_3>*the info
02:52<Nemoder_>you may wish to read up on
02:52<jalcine>It's funny; the more fonts you have on your computer, the more unique it becomes.
02:53<Radon_3>jalcine: how do you mean? can you be a lil bit more specific?
02:53<Nemoder_>Radon_3: specificly
02:54<jalcine>Radon_3: like when websites try to track you, they can get a list of all of the fonts you have installed.
02:55<Radon_3>Nemoder_: I know about signing of the packages and it seems to be working very fine. But, what i the ISP alters the sign files too? Also Is te same system being used when I wan to update google chrome for linux?
02:55<jalcine>Radon_3: Google Chrome hosts its Debian packaging separate of the Debian project
02:55<Nemoder_>Radon_3: you may want to consider using chromium packaged with debian instead
02:56<Nemoder_>as far as how signing works you should probably talk to somebody who knows more about it than I do :)
02:58<SamB>Radon_3: the tricky part is getting a trusted installation medium/image; once you've got that, you'll have installed a gpg keyring which is used to authenticate the signatures
02:59<SamB>the same problem happens again when you go to install Chrome, of course: how do you trust *their* installer or apt repository?
03:01<Radon_3>SamB: well about a week ago I as using a more trust-able ISP, with higher rputation, but now I am downgrading due o some reasons. But I installed debian and everything when I was using a business rde and trustworthyISP, so is this what you mean? like having instaled debian and everything using a safe source?
03:02<SamB>Radon_3: once you've got it installed, you have a GPG keyring with public keys that are used to authenticate the signature files that apt uses
03:02*SamB might not be using the right terminology; it is kind of late for him ...
03:02<jalcine>SamB: you got it
03:03<Radon_3>SamB: so you are saying that it would be like 70% safe to update debian using the current ISP, right?
03:04<Radon_3>WOW, ok
03:04<Radon_3>Then I am gonna do it
03:04<Radon_3>thank you folks
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03:05<SamB>I mean, as far as malice goes
03:05<SamB>there could be other problems, of course ;-)
03:05<Radon_3>what kind of prolems?
03:05<Nemoder_>slow downloads comes to mind :)
03:05<Radon_3>anything else?
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03:06<Radon_3>Cause slow downloads is like a normal norm in my country :)
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03:06<Radon_3>I am being be from Iran
03:07<SamB>heh, you're lucky you can even GET to a Debian mirror from Iran ;-)
03:08<Radon_3>SamB: You are right, poitn taken bro
03:08<Nemoder_>hopefully this situation will change
03:08<unify>Quick question, you know about TOR?
03:08<unify>Because if you don't you should :)
03:09<devil>why should we?
03:09<Radon_3>Nemoder_: hopefully... it has been hopefully for quit some years now over here.... nothing is changing though
03:09<unify>Talking to Radon, idk if you should care
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03:10<Nemoder_>I hear TOR is difficult to use there, or at least has been in the past due to intentionally blocking ports and dropping some encrypted packets
03:10<Radon_3>unify: I use tor too, I use all sorts of american or European built proxies or VPN, sometimes I feel like I am in a war zone....
03:10*SamB tried tor a bit, doesn't really remember why; it was amusing when he got stuff like a german page from though ...
03:11<unify>Yeah I can understand that
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03:11<SamB>Radon_3: I guess it could be worse; you could live near the gaza strip ...
03:11<Radon_3>Nemoder_: no, tor works fine, only it stops working during some days that ae considered t be sensitive by the governments, other days we are free to browse our porn :) which is fine
03:12<Nemoder_>ah heh ok
03:12<SamB>does SSL also stop working on those days?
03:12<unify>So you are being cut off when most needed?
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03:13<Radon_3>SamB: SSL being the first thing, yeah, only white listed SSL IPs work
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03:13<Radon_3>unify: that's a way to put it, yeah, probably
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03:14<unify>Yeah, depends on what you do with the Internet I guess
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03:14<Radon_3>unify: what do you mean, 'it depends'? I don't get it.
03:15<Nemoder_>i think he means it doesn't really matter for porn but might matter for organized protests
03:15<unify>those days considered sensitive by the governments might be when some people really need it
03:16<unify>But I can't imagine what it is like
03:16<unify>I like my Internet unfiltered...
03:16<Radon_3>well, I think that might be, but I never got to realize how the governments ll over this planet named earth work.... but again I don't think nyone gives a baby rat's ass about somethings that I can'tr name
03:17<Nemoder_>i could bring up the NSA but i think this is getting way off-topic :)
03:17<Radon_3>you are right
03:17<Radon_3>It's m fault
03:18<Nemoder_>no problem, there is #debian-offtopic for such things
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03:18<unify>Ah, right
03:18<unify>This is the help channel right?
03:18<Nemoder_>yes, just support
03:19<Radon_3>see you folks, and enjoy you partially free internet as long as you could, cause there might be no tomorrow... (Titanic and all that business) sorry for being off topic, again bye
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03:19<unify>ah, bye
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03:19<unify>So can anyone tell me why "mount -o remount,exec /media/folder" doesn't work but "mount -o remount,exec,bind /media folder" does?
03:20<unify>On an NTFS filesystem that is
03:20<Nemoder_>define 'work'
03:20<unify>I found something about access rights and that you should unmount first, but it wasn't very specific
03:21<unify>Well, the first gives an error and won't change the filesystem to exec, while the second does not and does
03:21<Nemoder_>what error?
03:21<unify>Remounting is not supported at present. You have to umount volume and then mount it once again.
03:21<unify>I waited a while, but that didn't help either
03:21<Nemoder_>hmm a limitation of ntfs driver perhaps?
03:22<unify>So I don't think the present has to do with it
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03:22<unify>But shouldn't binding be similar to normal mount?
03:23<unify>Why would mount throw an error when not using bind as option
03:24<Nemoder_>doesn't bind basically create a new mount point with the old settings?
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03:24<unify>Yeah, but that is the strange part: when binding like that it doesn't create a new mount point
03:26<Nemoder_>with ntfs wouldn't it be safer to just umount then mount again anyway?
03:26<unify>Hmm, idk, what is the benefit of that?
03:27<Nemoder_>well the cleanup umount does, but maybe remount is supposed to do that also
03:28<Nemoder_>but if the error says to unmount then maybe that's the right way to go :)
03:29<unify>Yeah, I've never liked sticking to regulations and I haven't seen anything wrong yet
03:29<unify>I just thought it odd that the thing didn
03:29<unify>didn't work without but did with the bind option
03:30<unify>I'm hesitant to call it a bug, because I'm way too inexperienced with Linux to say if it could be
03:30<unify>Say, is it possible to get some more readout of the command?
03:31<unify>Like dmesg is for kernel operations
03:31<unify>kernel errors that is
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03:33<SamB>what ntfs driver are you using?
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03:34<unify>Good question, how do I find that out?
03:34<unify>I use standard debian Wheezy install if that helps
03:34*SamB isn't sure how to find out
03:34<SamB>but, well, dmesg could have some information, especially if it's the kernel driver ...
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03:35<unify>Well, dmesg does not show anything relevant
03:36<unify>a bunch of syn requests from webpages, but nothing related to mounting
03:36<Nemoder_>there used to be ntfs and ntfs-3g but i think it's all one driver now isn't it?
03:36<SamB>but which one?
03:37*SamB also isn't too sure about that
03:38<unify>at least I don't use ntfs, that only provides read access
03:38<unify>and I also have write access
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03:39<Nemoder_>hm last edited 2012
03:39<SamB>well, maybe there's some useful infromation in the docs from the ntfs-3g package?
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03:40<unify>my fstab says it uses ntfs
03:41<Nemoder_>hm maybe that was only their project
03:41<Nemoder_>coulda sworn i read something more about it
03:42<unify>How do you usually check hardware anyway on linux?
03:42<unify>I haven't seen anything like a hardware manager
03:42<unify>Something like proc, right?
03:42<Nemoder_>you can check proc for how things are accessed or use specific tools
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03:43<Nemoder_>df and lsblk are handy for checking mounts
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03:46<unify>df -T shows fuseblk as type
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03:47<nfisher>Hello all! i need my "default X Session" on login to be MATE, not Xfce as it is now. How can i change this?
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03:48<glk>que se supone que es esto??
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03:49<unify>Hmm, have you tried changing it in the lower left corner before you login?
03:49<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
03:50<Nemoder_>nfisher: try update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
03:50<unify>nice one :)
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03:51<nfisher>Nemoder_, looks good, thanks!
03:52<Nemoder_>ls -l /etc/alternatives for all the other goodies
03:52<unify>Ok, so I can't find anything online on the ntfs FUSER driver regarding mount
03:52<unify>or why that should be a problem
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03:53*nfisher tring it now
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03:54<nfisher>Nemoder_, works like a charm, thanks again!
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03:56<Nemoder_>debian is amazing if you can actually figure out where they hid all the cool stuff ;)
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03:57<unify>Hehe, what is that command for anyway?
03:58<unify>Feels like the config panel of applications
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03:59<Nemoder_>basically if you have multiple apps that do the same thing it lets you pick the default one to use
03:59<unify>All from one command?
03:59<unify>That's genius!
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04:00<Nemoder_>just follow the symlinks to see how it works
04:00<unify>Those are like shortcuts right?
04:01<Nemoder_>sortof, except when accessed they respond exactly as the file they point to
04:01<unify>So if I remove the symlink the file is also removed?
04:01<Nemoder_>no you can remove them
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04:02<murphi>Hi, I chose GNOME as the desktop environment during install (wheezy), but I now I'd like to change that to XFCE. Where can I change this?
04:02<unify>You do the honors, Nemoder
04:02<Nemoder_>murphi: aptitude install xfce4
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04:03<unify>and then the good part :)
04:03<murphi>Nemoder_: I'd like to use tasksel, but that still wants to install gnome
04:03<Nemoder_>i think the install scripts set it to default, though i could be wrong
04:03<unify>Ah, that's a pity
04:03<Nemoder_>murphi: tasksel is very limited, just a way to get you a usable system quickly
04:04<Nemoder_>murphi: you can run aptitude without arguments to get a more advanced way to access software
04:04<murphi>ok, I'll use aptitude. Thanks!
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04:05<unify>Heh, I once accidentally removed Gnome
04:05<unify>Wasn't pretty
04:06<unify>Some app decided it was no longer needed so apt removed it
04:06<unify>then ofcourse the rest wasn't needed either, so in the end I also lost Python
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04:06<Nemoder_>i frequently remove it not-so-accidently
04:06<unify>no python = no installs
04:06<unify>so yeah, I lost my system
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04:06<unify>Yeah, but in a controlled manner I hope
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04:07<unify>You don't like Gnome?
04:07<Nemoder_>no I also prefer XFCE
04:07<unify>That's a lightweight version of the graphical system right?
04:08<unify>Like enlightment?
04:08<Nemoder_>it is a full desktop environment, just lighter than gnome
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04:08<unify>And all programs run anyway on that?
04:09<Nemoder_>I do have a lot of gnome libs installed, just not the runtime stuff
04:09<unify>I usually run in Gnome legacy mode as that also saves in the speed department
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04:10<unify>Yeah, I almost accidentally installed KDE once, an app needed it to run
04:10<unify>But how do you install the libs without the rest?
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04:11<Nemoder_>well some apps might depend on the runtime, I avoid those
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04:11<Nemoder_>but most will only pull in the libs
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04:12<unify>You use apt-cache to check the needed dependencies or something else?
04:12<Nemoder_>sometimes, or just select them for install and see what it says then abort it if i can't make it work
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04:13<murphi>Nemoder_: I just reached my goal using the task-* packages.
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04:14<Nemoder_>oh, nice
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06:20<aerth>whats service : [ ? ] flow-capture
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06:24<avalon>aerth: it's for netflow capturing
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06:43<aerth>hello im having an issue starting up snort. i get this error in my /var/log/syslog FATAL ERROR: log_tcpdump: Failed to open log file "/var/log/snort/tcpdump.log.1391255124": Permission denied
06:44<aerth>i had to touch /var/log/snort/snort.log + chown snort:snort /var/log/snort/ -R
06:45<aerth>anyone know why snort doesnt have file making capabilities in this folder?
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06:51<Fenhl>hello, how do I properly and permanently set the system's hostname? a search gives many contradictory answers
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06:52<Fenhl>the old hostname is and I want to change it to
06:52<Fenhl>although /etc/hostname only says “localhost”
06:53<aerth>sudo hostname (newhostnamehere)
06:54<aerth>theres a couple spots the hostname likes to hang out though
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06:54<aerth>/etc/hosts /etc/hostname maybe more, i dont know
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06:55<Fenhl>which do I put in /etc/hostname, the fqdn or just mercredi?
06:56<Fenhl>aerth: ^
06:56<Fenhl>also are you sure I'm supposed to change that from localhost?
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06:57<aerth>not really sure about the fqdn or just mercredi. i just know how to change it.
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06:57<aerth>i would like to know as well
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06:58<dvswitch>we got a prob with the VGA cable wrong colours
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07:07<Fenhl>aerth: this worked
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07:17<aerth>@fenhl thanks
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07:34<weather_logger>hello, I am trying to install debian stable onto a pc with realtek 8139 series (10ec:8139), the installer failed to bring the link up. Is there any solution? 8139cp gave up with "... is not an 8139C+ compatible chip use 8139too", and 8139too failed with "eth0: link down".
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07:43<devil>weather_logger: you need firmware for that chip
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07:44<devil>well, at least that is mostly the reason for this
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07:45<devil>can't check right now <== eating
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08:21<weather_logger>devil, which firmware shall I use? doesn't list firmwares for 8139 series.
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08:28<devil>weather_logger: maybe blacklisting helps: echo 'blacklist 8139cp' >>/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
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08:29<weather_logger>then what shall I do?
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08:32<devil>reboot ot reload 8139too
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08:33<weather_logger>eh... I'm in the installer, so I need to finish it first?
08:34<devil>oh, yes, of course :)
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08:35<firechariot>hello, is there a #linux-networking channel?
08:35<themill>firechariot: there's ##networking on
08:35<firechariot>themill, gracias. Are you aware if there is a tcpdump channel?
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09:29<jchaoul>how do I login as another user if I don't know their password, but I'm root? I need this to reset mysql password.
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09:32<frangor>jchaoul, su <user>
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09:32<jchaoul>bt what I know is that mysql user usually does not need a unix password as it never logs in interactively. so theres somehing wrong no?
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09:40<weather_logger>debian-7.3.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso cannot configure apt and failed to install grub...
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10:08<firechariot>hello, there are numerous things I do not like about "tex" & there are a few mutex & files in my system that I would like to remove which appear to be referenced within a subdirectory of linux-headers-3.2.0-4-686-pae. Does somebody have a potential suggestion?
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10:19<abrotman>firechariot: do you know what a mutex is?
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10:42<carel_>hi everyone
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10:44<carel_>can anyone help me with an example /etc/pamusb.conf file plese?
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10:48<stderr_dk>carel_: I'm not using it myself, but the "pamusb-common" package has a /etc/pamusb.conf and a "pamusb-conf" tool that might be helpful.
10:48<carel_>Thanks everyone
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10:53<weather_logger>well. graphic install with zh_CN language failed, but text install with en_US worked, now trying combination of zh_CN and text.
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11:08<osakiyama>man i am cofuse about extracting debain kernel .....
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11:13<musca>hello osakiyama, what do you want to achieve?
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11:15<osakiyama>wannna extract debain kernal
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11:36<oldlaptop>osakiyama: What do you mean? Do you want to extract the linux-image .deb?
11:36<oldlaptop>do you want Debian's kernel sources?
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11:37<osakiyama>yeah exa ctly
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11:37<oldlaptop>no, which one :)
11:38<oldlaptop>!dpkg tell osakiyama about kernel sources
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11:39<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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11:40<osakiyama>thanks guys .... i finally got it.....
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11:41<oldlaptop>good! :)
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11:43<fragondly>helooo im newbi on internet, what is this?
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11:43<sney>this is an irc channel for debian users who need help
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11:45<babilen>oldlaptop: I'd recommend to take a look at
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11:45<sney>too late for the user now though
11:46<musca>babilen: i let dpkg tell him about
11:47<weather_logger>Hello, I'm trying to install debian and got message "An attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from the CD failed." the CD-R is test and ok. what information shall I provide to solve this problem?
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11:54<babilen>musca: You did?
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11:59<oldlaptop>babilen: I built a debian kernel once, probably read that to do it :P
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11:59<oldlaptop>silly PAE
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12:34<jbhome>any init propellerheads around?
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12:36<jbhome>on debian stable postgresql fails to start at boot with a shared memory error, but starts fine from a command line (and all processes are owned by postgres)
12:37<jbhome>not sure where to start? I checked SHMMAX for yucks and it looks fine
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12:43<Vanja_>Hello, i have problem with video
12:43<Vanja_>theres lines over the screen, colors, glitches etc.
12:44<Vanja_>from the moment it switches to hi-res when booting
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12:44<mtn>Vanja_: have you looked at Driver Manager for other drivers?
12:45<mtn>Vanja_: sorry, I was confused
12:45<mtn>Vanja_: have you checked to see if you can install other video drivers
12:45<Vanja_>I'm using tails, not the official debian
12:45<Vanja_>does that matter?
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12:46<mtn>Vanja_: yes, not supported here and may make a difference
12:46<Vanja_>Hm ok, thanks anyway.. noone is replying there so i thought i'd ask
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12:47<mtn>Vanja_: you can try this link, it may help:
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12:59<ewerton>how install thunderbird.tar.bz2?
13:00<towo`>extract it
13:01<babilen>ewerton: fwiw, thunderbird is packaged in Debian as "icedove" and you can get new versions at
13:01<MrFrood>ewerton: why do you want to install it?
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13:01<abrotman>ewerton: aptitude install icedove
13:01<MrFrood>babilen: just covered what I was going to say
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13:03<ewerton>icedove, thanks
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14:09<bnoji>Is there a fix for this yet?
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14:10<bnoji>I turned off secureboot, tried to boot the live cd w/ uefi and it gave me the "prefix not set" error.
14:11<sney>bnoji: the bug is closed, so it would seem that it's considered fixed
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15:03<agman_>hi all
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15:03<agman_>wondering if anyone here has experience setting up lm-sensors? any advice would be great!
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15:04<agman_>I'm running jessie btw
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15:06<roughnecks>agman_: you may want to join #debian-next for jessie support
15:06<agman_>cool thanks
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16:45<photograph>hello, what is replacement for youtube-dl in wheezy?
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16:47<Guest858>Hello. I am not behind a router and I'm concerned about my ports. Can someone help? I'd rather not post openly more information. Thanks.
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16:47<TobiX>photograph: Does clive or cclive work for you?
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16:49<photograph>TobiX: i am going to read manual and to try them. thanx
16:49<babilen>Guest858: Worried how?
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16:50<Guest858>babilen: I don't know that much about security, but some ports (that I probably don't need) are open and there isn't a firewall.
16:51<planetmaker>Guest855, just shutdown the related services then
16:51<babilen>Guest858: Well, then don't run the service that opened those ports.
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16:54<TobiX>photograph: OTOH, youtube-dl is pretty self-contained, so you could just download the script from github and run it from your home directory...
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16:59<photograph>TobiX: i just tryied clive, and it is working very good. i am trying cclive next, afterthat i will try to download yotube-dl. what does mean self-contained?
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17:00<TobiX>photograph: It's just 1 big python script, so as long as you have a compatible python version installed, it will just work
17:01<TobiX>photograph: cclive and clive both use libquvi to parse the video pages, so their result should be nearly identical
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17:01<howtoclosetheports> I am not using a printer, but I would prefer cupsd to be there (but not running). I don't know what the other application is. How to stop them from starting automatically?
17:02<photograph>thank you TobiX looks like cclive works faster than clive to me. same movie 1/2 time for download. i will use youtube-dl with two of those from now.
17:02<abrotman>howtoclosetheports: it's not, do you know how to read that output?
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17:03<howtoclosetheports>abrotman: what do you mean?
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17:03<petn-randall>howtoclosetheports: you can use 'sysv-rc-conf' and untick them both, to not let them start. dnsmasq is a DNS server.
17:04<abrotman>howtoclosetheports: you don't understand what you're reading, it's pretty obvious
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17:05<TobiX>howtoclosetheports: Uhm. Those are listening on localhost (, they are NOT open to the outside...
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17:06<petn-randall>TobiX: I don't think he suggested that they were.
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17:07<babilen>howtoclosetheports: What was/is your impression and exact concern?
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17:09<howtoclosetheports>babilen: my router hardly works as a router. There's not a firewall and it automatically forwards any port.
17:09<babilen>howtoclosetheports: So, why are you concerned about those two?
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17:10<petn-randall>howtoclosetheports: How would that work? you have to explicitely enable port forwarding to an internal IP address. It's technically/logically impossible for this to happen automagically.
17:11<babilen>I think we should still figure out first what howtoclosetheports is actually concerned about rather than speculating about that. I mean we can hardly disperse the concerns without knowing exactly what they are.
17:11<babilen>I haven't seen anything worrisome so far though
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17:19<howtoclosetheports>Sorry, I will be more exact. Since UPnP is disabled, I think that these ports shouldn't be there. The reason that I pasted these two is because these are the only two listening. As I said, I don't know much about security.
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17:21<babilen>howtoclosetheports: Read TobiX' comment
17:23<howtoclosetheports>I read it, but since my router is that weak, wouldn't it be wiser to disable them?
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17:24<abrotman>they're not listening to anything besides your own machine
17:24<babilen>howtoclosetheports: These are on your local box and not on your router? And why are you concerned about connections from localhost (computer speaking to itself)
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17:35<howtoclosetheports>So, you think that I should not be worried about these two?
17:36<petn-randall>howtoclosetheports: Where does this output come from? Your router or your desktop?
17:37<howtoclosetheports>I guess it's the desktop.
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17:38<stderr_dk>You don't know where you ran the command that gave you that output?
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17:40<lugal>is there any big difference between debian 7.2 and 7.3? including different repositories better drivers, being better for playing games, etc?
17:40<howtoclosetheports>Yeah, it's from my desktop
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17:42<petn-randall>howtoclosetheports: "" is the IP address of your loopback interface. This is only for your traffic that stays within your computer. So those ports aren't reachable from anywhere else than your computer.
17:43<valdyn>lugal: no
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17:45<petn-randall>lugal: They are merely point releases. 7.3 is just 7.0 with all accumulated bugfixes. From time to time when they collect, new install images are made and given a point release.
17:45<petn-randall>lugal: If you install all updates you'll be on the level of 7.3 (and a bit newer).
17:46<lugal>ok, ty
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17:50<tgs3>on debian wheezy - which cli client supports magnets?
17:50<tgs3>I meant torrent's magnets
17:50<valdyn>tgs3: rtorrent does
17:51<tgs3>valdyn: thanks. any other too?
17:51<valdyn>tgs3: i dont use any other
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18:04<me>where does apt-get keep the list of all installed packages on my system?
18:04<me>is there a database somewhere?
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18:05<abrotman>me: /var/lib/dpkg/status
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18:05<me>abrotman: thanks, is /var/lib/apt/lists just the list of packages in the repos?
18:06<Donald_ET3>I am having a bad day with file permissions. Is there a distro with no file permissions?
18:06<me>file permissions are a good thing...
18:07<abrotman>Donald_ET3: DOS
18:07<Donald_ET3>Really? Cool!
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18:10<Donald_ET3>The tradeoff of having file permissions is: less risk from malicious people and programs at the cost of greater risk of losing data because even root can't access a drive. >_<
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18:11<TobiX>Donald_ET3: Root can always override any file permission (for the nitpickers: yes, I know capabilities)
18:11<Donald_ET3>Really? How?
18:11<oldlaptop>by being root
18:11<valdyn>thats a really odd question
18:12<Donald_ET3>chmod isn't working!
18:12<valdyn>root can do *anything*
18:12<oldlaptop>Donald_ET3: can you be more specific?
18:12<valdyn>Donald_ET3: that means your issue is not permissions
18:12<Donald_ET3>root cannot chmod a drive.
18:12<oldlaptop>what are you trying to do?
18:12<valdyn>Donald_ET3: a drive is a piece of hardware
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18:12<Donald_ET3>I have a read-only drive.
18:13<Donald_ET3>Somehow the write permission got knocked off.
18:13<Donald_ET3>I don't know how.
18:13<TobiX>Donald_ET3: Well, root can't make a CD-ROM writable, for example, that is a hardware restriction
18:13<rysiek|pl>is there any meta-channel for #debian, like #debian-ops, #debian-admin, etc?
18:13<Donald_ET3>It is a hard drive.
18:13<Donald_ET3>A USB hard drive disk.
18:14<TobiX>Donald_ET3: You might want to unmount and run a filesystem check then... The filesystem might be damaged
18:14<oldlaptop>what filesystem is on this USB hard disk?
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18:14<oldlaptop>ntfs is an evil file system
18:15<Donald_ET3>Do you recommend a different filesystem?
18:15<oldlaptop>In this case you aren't mounting it properly
18:15<valdyn>Donald_ET3: it is probably mounted read-only, why dont you have a look if it is
18:15<oldlaptop>either it's mounted read-only or you're not specifying permisisons (or specifying them wrong)
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18:15<oldlaptop>see, ntfs-3g just fudges unix permissions for ntfs
18:15<oldlaptop>applies some arbitrary mask to all files
18:16<Donald_ET3>"ls -l /media" shows "dr-x------"
18:16<oldlaptop>yes, /media should not be writable to normal users
18:16<oldlaptop>the drive is not mounted on /media
18:16<Donald_ET3>I'm using an Ubuntu-based distro. Should I try the Ubuntu IRC?
18:17<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
18:17<Donald_ET3>Okay. :D
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18:17<sney>or the irc for whatever ubuntu-based flavor you have.
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18:17<oldlaptop>oh, yes
18:17<oldlaptop>e.g. mint has their own channel
18:17<oldlaptop>I don't know if kubuntu/lubuntu/whatever do
18:17<Donald_ET3>Still, what FS do you recommend?
18:17<sney>this is a pretty good example of why #debian doesn't support derivatives - we have no idea what the other distro has changed, so we don't know what factors are involved here
18:18<Donald_ET3>Okay, sorry.
18:18<oldlaptop>Donald_ET3: you don't want NTFS on anything that must be accessed outside windows
18:18<oldlaptop>FAT32 has limitations but works everywhere
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18:19<oldlaptop>if it only needs to work with *nix systems ext2/ext3 is a fairly good bet (ext4 is not well-supported outside Linux)
18:19<petn-randall>Well, if you need interoperability (e.g. Windows/Linux), I'd even pledge for NTFS. It's better than FAT in that it has a journal.
18:19<Hicks>What about exfat?
18:19<oldlaptop>MUCH worse than ntfs
18:19<sney>exfat support is weird on both sides of the fence.
18:19<oldlaptop>avoid at all costs
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18:20<Donald_ET3>Thanks for the info. Bye.
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18:20<sney>there's a freeware ext2 driver for windows, it has some limitations (no journaling, requires 128 inode size) but it's good for my use case since I'll only use windows maybe 20% of the time
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18:21<oldlaptop>I know about that
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18:21<oldlaptop>not about to recommend it to a newbie (at least not for something like a USB hard disk)
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18:22<oldlaptop>fat32 is better in that usecase unless there will be large files on the thing
18:22<sney>oh yeah if it's removable then fat32 is still the way to go. I use the ext2 thing for a shared internal data drive on a dual-boot system.
18:23<oldlaptop>that's different, sure
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18:24<oldlaptop>although... I'd still probably use FAT32 unless there will be large files, or unless having journaling on linux is important
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18:26<sney>yeah. shared data drive = downloads = large files likely
18:26<photograph>TobiX: youtube-dl also works as usually. /quit
18:27<photograph>thanks :)
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18:29<arachnist>And this is why people say the open-source community is unfriendly (logs from #debian on the other network)…: or
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18:32<valdyn>you got to be pretty annoying to get abrotman to ban you
18:32<abrotman>it's fallout from FN
18:33<valdyn>what is FN ?
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18:34<petn-randall>Ok, let's please not spread this everywhere. abrotman has unbanned them again on freenode. Nothing to see, let's move on.
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19:47<Quake>Hello everyone! I'm sorry to just drop in like this with my question but i hope i will get a better chanse here than google. I'm trying to share my /var/www dir over samba to my Windows machine. I have managed to get read permissions, and i can also edit the files already on the server, witch is what i want. But i cannot add new files to the server and i can't for my life understand why
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19:50<sney>Quake: does the user you're logging into samba with have write permission to that directory?
19:52<Quake>well i'm kinda new with linux overall but i atleast think it has all permissions, i just use the guest-account with a 0755 mask
19:53<sney>that's probably really insecure, is this just on a private network?
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19:54<Quake>when this is only locally i'm not too worried about security, just want an easy way to copy a website over to linux, when it's done i plan to even remove samba since this will be a clean lamp machine
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19:56<sney>in that case maybe you should just use sftp
19:56<sney>since it's part of ssh there's no extra setup
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19:59<Quake>acctually (spell?) i looked at that option first. I have already openssh installed because i use putty to manage the server, but it seems pretty hard to make a chrooted share or whatever i read.. I've tried and the only thing i could share over sftp was my homedir :) But i'm a noob so i guess it's over to google again, if you advice me for that over samba?
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20:01<sney>Quake: well, you could have your web root in your home directory instead of /var/www (recommended production configuration) or use a symlink in your home directory to access /var/www as long as your user account has r/w permissions
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20:02<sney>apache/nginx/lighttpd don't care where the website files are, as long as you provide the right paths & permissions. having it all under a user's /home makes a lot of things easier. I admin a production ecommerce site so that's the voice of experience talking
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20:03<petn-randall>Quake: easier way would to just configure user webdirs. Then don't have to fiddle with permissions.
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20:03<sney>google is really a big mess for researching stuff like this, too. so many stackexchange results from people who know even less than you do
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20:04<Quake>ok. well i guess it's better if i read about making a secure sftp server. The SSH will be "open" to the internet, and i don't want users who can access the sftp to be able to log in, i read you can fix this by chroot but i really just learned how chmod works
20:05<petn-randall>Quake: Just make sure not to set a guessable password, then you don't have to worry about chroot. You only need chroot if you distrust legitimate users logging in.
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20:07<Quake>ok. well it's only me and some other people what will host some sites on the server, but i can't trust anybody enough not to be curious :) if they can log in via a ftp-client to upload things, i don't want them to be able to use putty or similar to control the server. Sorry my english isn't perfect
20:08<sney>so if you have other people hosting other sites, then they all get separate accounts and separate web roots in their home directories. and nobody gets to touch anyone else's stuff.
20:09<petn-randall>Quake: They could only write to their home dir and look up basics of the system. Linux does have user privilege separation.
20:10<stderr_dk>If their shell is /bin/false, they can still use sftp, right?
20:10<Quake>correct. but what i mean is that if you automatically can log into the shell with your account or if i can block every other use for the ssh server except for sftp, and have myself as an exception for this rule
20:11<sney>stderr_dk: yep
20:11<stderr_dk>Then that sounds like the obvious solution.
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20:12<Quake>didn't even knew that, thank you! (googling on the side here while chatting)
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20:26<petn-randall>Quake: Glad we could help out. Come back if you have any questions.
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20:28<Quake>petn-randall: Atleast i know now what will be the first thing to do in the morning, i think i've got it pretty clear now. Now time for some youtube and tobacco before bedtime :)
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20:30<Quake>The hardest thing with Linux i believe is to let go of all the other systems and automatically start to compare them all. I have too many years woth windows administration behind me
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20:31<sney>yeah, you'll only hurt yourself trying to admin linux as if it's windows
20:31<weather_logger>hello, I followed, but still got "eth0: link down". system: debian stable. eth card: 10ec:8139. initrd is updated with dpkg.
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20:31<sney>,pciid 10ec:8139
20:31<judd>[10ec:8139] is 'RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel modules '8139too', '8139cp' in wheezy. See also
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20:32<Quake>sney i know that. But i'm interested in learning linux better so i one day can throw out the windows discs ;)
20:33<sney>weather_logger: is the nic itself known good? does it get an ip address in another OS or livecd etc?
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20:34<weather_logger>sney, it was working well in windows xp and downloaded the debia xfce cd 1 yesterday.
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20:34<abrotman>weather_logger: have you looked in dmesg?
20:34<sney>ok. I know that nic model has a bad reputation
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20:35<sney>Quake: may be of use to you
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20:35<Cpt_peacock>hi there \
20:37<Cpt_peacock>every thing is good sney
20:37<mahollowspe>anyone have experence with installing deluge webui?
20:38<Cpt_peacock>no sorry
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20:39<Cpt_peacock>but its quit here so i go have nice chat
20:39<Quake>Thank's once again folks, i guess i will sneak in here now and then :) bye for now
20:40<petn-randall>Quake: see you around!
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20:40<mahollowspe>Well trying to run this script an am a total noob lol
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20:40<mahollowspe>do I just ese notepad?
20:41<sney>mahollowspe: is this for a debian system or ubuntu?
20:42<sney>you know deluge is already available in debian, and the package comes with its own scripts etc
20:42<sney>that includes the webui
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20:43<mahollowspe>deluge is installed and running but I am trying to get it to run at startup which is 24/7 because its a rented dedi server
20:43<sney>ok, and did you install it from the debian package?
20:44<weather_logger>abrotman, here is the dmesg with some greps:
20:45<mahollowspe>but I have to use putty and type deluge-web for it to start. once I exit putty it suts down deluge
20:45<sney>and once you ssh back in, and run 'deluge-web' again are your torrents still going?
20:46<abrotman>weather_logger: output of "ifup eth0" ?
20:47<mahollowspe>my torrents are still in there but am not sure if they have been running since I exited putty
20:47<mahollowspe>because I am unable to comunicate with webui
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20:49<weather_logger>abrotman, "Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0"
20:49<sney>mahollowspe: ok, well deluge is 2 parts, the daemon and the interface. so the daemon is most likely still running, it's just the mini webserver that stops
20:50<stderr_dk>weather_logger: No eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces?
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20:51<mahollowspe>ok that makes sense
20:51<sney>mahollowspe: look in /usr/share/doc/deluge-web/ and look at the README.Debian and other files there, they might tell you how to make it start automatically. Otherwise, just use screen.
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20:56<weather_logger>stderr_dk, I forgot that, and now added with "auto eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp", now ifup says "interface eth0 already configured", but still link down, dmesg with grep eth / 8139 remain the same.
20:56<mahollowspe>yeah it just says refer to thier online page lol
20:57<sney>mahollowspe: ok, so use screen then. it'll keep a terminal session going (with a command running) after you disconnect.
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20:58<stderr_dk>weather_logger: What does "ifconfig" say?
20:58<mahollowspe>sorry use screen?
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20:59<LtL>mahollowspe: i think stderr_dk wants to know if you have a 'inet addr' line with a address
21:00<LtL>mahollowspe: either a WAN or LAN address
21:00<stderr_dk>LtL: mahollowspe != weather_logger
21:00<LtL>stderr_dk: woops
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21:00<sney>mahollowspe: 'apt-get install screen' then run 'screen' and it gives you a new shell - run your command - close putty. the webui will continue running.
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21:01<sney>you can reconnect to the screen session with 'screen -x'
21:01<mahollowspe>ok I will try
21:01<Tarax>I have trouble connecting netbook to wlan, have wrong CRDA-domain after each boot, setting right domain next problem is my router will not accept password (everything worked during installation of Debian)
21:01<mahollowspe>running on a LAN if thats what you where asking
21:01<weather_logger>stderr_dk, ifconfig eth0 part:
21:02<stderr_dk>weather_logger: Try "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0".
21:02<stderr_dk>And make sure you have a working DHCP-server.
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21:04<weather_logger>stderr_dk, still failing: eth0: link down. And the DHCP server is OK at least in windows xp.
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21:06<LtL>weather_logger: did you type that paste? have you no 'lo' ?
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21:07<weather_logger><LtL> weather_logger: did you type that paste? have you no 'lo' ?
21:07<Tarax>I have trouble connecting netbook to wlan, have wrong CRDA-domain after each boot, setting right domain next problem is my router will not accept password (everything worked during installation of Debian), any one?
21:07<weather_logger>sorry, a mistake in putty.
21:08<weather_logger>LtL, yes, typed that, lo is and ::1/128
21:08<stderr_dk>weather_logger: Is the XP box the same machine or another box?
21:08<weather_logger>the same machine
21:09<stderr_dk>If not, I would check the cable...
21:09<mahollowspe>sney that worked but know deluge won't connect to the server?
21:09<stderr_dk>Well... I would still check the cable, cause right now I don't have any better ideas. :-/
21:10<LtL>stderr_dk: dhclient maybe
21:10<sney>mahollowspe: running something in screen doesn't change how it runs, so something else must have changed
21:10<stderr_dk>LtL: You mean not installed? Could be...
21:11<weather_logger>OK, trying on a XP based PE...
21:11<stderr_dk>weather_logger: You have dhclient installed, right?
21:11<LtL>stderr_dk: actually i meant is it running, is the box dhcp addressed and try as root dhclient eth0
21:12<mahollowspe>sney what exactly does that run in screen mean?
21:12<weather_logger>It was sending dhcp discover on port 67?(I'm not very sure) and serveral times with different intervals.
21:12<mahollowspe>noob here lol
21:12<weather_logger>I'm not very sure if that's dhcp client.
21:13<stderr_dk>LtL: He did say that he has "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces, so dhclient should be started...
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21:13<sney>mahollowspe: it's just a program that makes virtual "screens" that you can connect or disconnect no matter how you're using the computer, if it's locally or from different remote clients etc
21:13<LtL>stderr_dk: well 67 is sending, 68 doesnt seem to be listening
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21:14<sney>mahollowspe: so when you run 'screen' and then start a program inside it, the program is exactly the same as it would be outside of screen.
21:14<LtL>weather_logger: try dhclient eth0 as root, can't hurt. then look at ifconfig again
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21:17<mahollowspe>sney: I restarted the server and ran the screen command. everything worked great thanks :)
21:17<sney>no problem
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21:17<mahollowspe>so now deluge will run no matter if im using putty?
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21:20<weather_logger>LtL, still "NO-CARRIER" in ip addr and "eth-: link down" in dmesg (eth- -> eth0)
21:21<LtL>weather_logger: did it ever work, i missed most of this discussion
21:21<stderr_dk>I would double check the cable...
21:22<mahollowspe>so I have installed openVPN but can't seem to find the certs. anyone know what directory they are in?
21:22<weather_logger>LtL, it was working with a windows xp yesterday. failed with pe, and I guess because of missing driver). wait a moment, and I'm trying to switch the cable.
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21:26<LtL>weather_logger: you should get an LED light on that NIC when you plug it in.
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21:29<weather_logger>confirmed to be a router side problem... thank you all very much and sorry for wasting your time.
21:29<LtL>weather_logger: no worries, g'luck
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21:38<petn-randall>mahollowspe: You have to generate them yourself. Check the easyrsa folder in /usr/share/doc/openvpn/.
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22:28<Guest879>can anyone share how to use the IDENTITY command?
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22:28<Guest879>I am using xchat in ubuntu
22:28<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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22:29<LtL>Guest879: its identify if your referring to this network.
22:30<Guest879>ok thanks
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22:30<Guest880>hey, i'm a complete noob, how do i install nightly? i've tried ppa but it doesnt show up in synaptic or apt-get install trunks
22:30<LtL>Guest879: /msg nickserv help identify
22:31<sney>Guest880: PPAs are not supported on debian.
22:32<Guest880>oh, do you know what deb server i would use to install nightly then?
22:32<sney>afaik, only esr, release, beta and aurora are available
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22:34<Guest880>but but...
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23:46<bss03>I'm trying to run steam on my amd64 PC with a AMD 7990 video card.
23:46<bss03>It worked before on my 7970 with the drivers in Wheezy.
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23:48<bss03>Upgrading to the 7990, means I need Catalyst 13.x, so I installed fglrx-driver (and a few other packages) from jessie, but I could get libgl1-fglrx-glx:i386 to stay installed during the upgrade.
23:48<bss03>Wasn't much of an issue until now, as I don't play steam games incredibly often.
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23:49<sney>mixing binary packages from stable and testing is basically guaranteed to break things, especially when you add multiarch
23:49<bss03>But, I tried to launch steam (i386) and it complains about a missing, and will not run.
23:49<sney>if you upgrade all the way to jessie you might have better luck
23:49<bss03>Eh, I've had a mixed system since before Etch was stable, so it's worked fine for me in the past.
23:50<bss03>Well, I actually know the problem, and I was wondering if it is intentional or if it is a packaging bug.
23:50<sney>look, this is front line experience. don't mix stable and not-stable. It Worked For Me Before(tm) is luck
23:51<sney>testing is usably okay anyway and if you're using testing packages already you don't have a stable system so there's no reason to pretend you're sticking with stable
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23:51<bss03>libgl1-fglrx-glx:amd64 Provies and Conflicts with libgl1-fglrx-glx-virtual.
23:51<bss03>But, so does the libgl1-fglrx-glx:i386. :(
23:51<bss03>I'm got front-line experience here, too.
23:52<bss03>I'm been runing Debian on a half-dozen systems, (as well as supporting amyn more) since before it had an official amd64 port.
23:52<sney>I should qualify: front-line support experience. but okay, if you want to continue with frankendebian, you might try ##linux for help because it's not supported here or the freenode one
23:52<sney>OR you can just go with testing since you might as well anyway
23:53<sney>multiarch is fun, and insane, but it is possible to make it work, and once you're on an existing debian version then support will happen
23:53<bss03>I wrote a whole guide and the advantages and pitfalls of a mixed system. I only don't run mixed on severely HD limited situations.
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23:53<peterS>"HD limited" meaning 720p? (:
23:53<bss03>The conflicting package are both in jessie, and they conflict with each other both in jessie and in sid.
23:53<bss03>This isn't a mixed problem.
23:54<bss03>:) He, not I meant HD limited as in don't want to use the extra space in /var for package lists (and probably using techniques to minimize what's installed under /usr/share/doc).
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23:57<bss03>So, on jessie (or sid) is there currently a way to have libgl1-fglrx-glx:amd64 and libgl1-fglrx-glx:i386 installed at the same time? If not, is that intentional? They appear to conflict with each other via the libgl1-fglrx-glx-virtual.
23:58<peterS>ummm, on my sid system I just selected both packages in aptitude and it didn't complain
23:58<peterS>I don't have a need for that particular non-free driver so I'm not going to actually install it, but selecting it in aptitude worked fine
23:59<peterS>perhaps this is a problem with the aptitude in wheezey, or something?
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23:59<bss03>Okay, maybe I just need to update from sid. I thought I updated my package lists earlier...
23:59<peterS>or the dpkg in wheezy, perhaps?
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