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---Logopened Mon Feb 24 00:00:11 2014
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00:03<caravel>I'm looking for a GUI to set a luks+lvm
00:04<Infiltrator>caravel: The various disk utilities should be able to do it, no?
00:04<caravel>(so that I can teach less-techies to do it by themselves..)
00:04<caravel>well, the gnome utility doesn't seem to know any such thing as an lvm
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00:05<caravel>system.config-lvm has landed in our repos (I'm pretty sure it's not for long?)
00:07<caravel>but it doesn't seem to offer dm-crypt volumes to be init as pv
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00:07<caravel>(it shows the one holding existing lvm, thou, in the "physical view" tree)
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00:07<caravel>any other GUI you'd suggest?
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00:08<caravel>(or did I miss something?)
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00:09<caravel>besides, I can't find a button in there that would do a vgcreate (?)
00:12<caravel>actually, in gnome utility there *is* LVM in the partition types
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00:12<caravel>but the type button is not avail when selecting the volume inside the crypt
00:13<caravel>(so the crypt partition itself could be changed to lvm type)
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00:23<tom-x>so, how do I unmount a usb network card? I have an ALFA card and I want to pass-through to a kali VM, but it doesn't see any USB devices, yet the host os (Jessie) is utilizing it now
00:24<Infiltrator>!tell tom-x -about cross-post
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00:25<tom-x>!tell infiltrator I realized I was in debian-next when I posed a question that was _not_ exclusive to jessie and would likely be better suited for the main channel
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00:36<caravel>...installing "particionmanager" would bring the whole KDE desktop with it :)
00:37<caravel>gparted seems to have only less features than gnome-disk-utility (and a lot less)
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00:52<caravel>disk-manager looks like a strict GUI to fstab entries (excluding swap)
00:54<caravel>ok, giving up for now :p please ping me if any suggestion..
00:54*caravel afk, thanks all!
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00:58<Feveth>Alcor AU6350. Anybody know if drivers are present?
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00:59<jm_>what is that?
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00:59<us_0gb>I don't know what happened ... The cursor quit responding and I had to reboot from tty1 to fix it.
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01:00<Feveth>AU6350 is a single chip integrated USB2.0 hub and multimedia card reader controller.
01:01<jm_>ahh that's probably handled by usb-storage
01:01<Feveth>So it is supported?
01:01<jm_>note "probably"
01:02<jm_>I would assume it is
01:02<Feveth>Considering Linux.
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01:02<Feveth>Well then, I have everything I need.
01:02<jm_>you can use some live release to test it
01:02<Feveth>I don't have the hardware I need to do it.
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01:03<Feveth> This being it.
01:03<jm_>you mean your current computer does not have USB ports?
01:04<Feveth>It does.
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01:04<Feveth>That board dirght there.
01:04<Feveth>That is the hardware I need.
01:05<Feveth>The thing that contains the AR9331 processor and the AU6350 USB/SD slot controller.
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01:05<Feveth>Runs on MIPS.
01:05<Feveth>Debian works on MIPS32.
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01:15<Feveth>Well. Goodnight #debian. Hope you folks have a nice time.
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01:22<caravel>hmm, there's got to be a bug in gnome-disk-utility
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01:22<caravel>it *does* have all of the lvm support
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01:23<caravel>I had left the GUI open on that host, while I started to go the cli way
01:23<caravel>as soon as I did pvcreate then vgcreate, they did show up in the GUI :)
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01:24<caravel>so from there, vg can be renamed, pvs can be added/removed, lvs can be created etc.
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01:25<caravel>but the existing vg that's also in a luks, and which the whole sys runs on, still doesn't show up
01:25<neo1691>Need some help with urxvt. I want to make it transparent. Not happening here
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01:26<caravel>[...] only the lv appear, under the removable category (and not under multidisk, as the new one shows)
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01:28<caravel>is there any special way the luks/lvm are created by partman during installation (that was 7.0.4), that would prevent gnome-disk-utility to present them as they should be?
01:28<jm_>neo1691: how are you starting rxvt?
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01:55<neo1691>jm_: I am using i3. I am starting uxrvt from demnu
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02:01<jm_>neo1691: so you set X resources for urxvt to enable transparency?
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02:05<marcell_>I think so
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02:34<pabs2> HexChat: 2.9.6 ** OS: Linux 3.12-1-amd64 x86_64 ** Distro: Debian jessie/sid ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU L 640 @ 2.13GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.20GHz ** RAM: Physical: 7.6GB, 24.8% free ** Disk: Total: 443.0GB, 38.1% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel MID4: ThinkPad EC - ThinkPad Console Audio Control ** Ethernet: Intel
02:34<pabs2>Corporation 82577LM Gigabit Network Connection ** Uptime: 2d 1h 12m 11s **
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03:30<Osiris_X>are UUID for devices machine independent? (i.e. will a removeable HDD have the same UUID regardless of which machine I use it on?)
03:30<babilen>Osiris_X: They belong to the filesystem
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03:31<Osiris_X>babilen: so once the filesystem is created it will present the same UUID regardless of the machine it is mounted on
03:31<Osiris_X>until reformatting
03:31<babilen>Osiris_X: Exactly
03:32<Osiris_X>damn useful that lol
03:32<babilen>Osiris_X: That is, sort of, the whole point of them :)
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03:52<tom-x>What's the best RSS client? I come from using Google Reader and Feedly.
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04:17<caravel>tom-x: I've heard a lot of good about liferea...
04:17<caravel>...but I'm still using Icedove ^^
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04:18<tom-x>looks nice
04:18<caravel>tom-x: and "best" is something very subjective, you know?
04:18<tom-x>I know, I know
04:18<tom-x>but your response was good
04:19<tom-x>and I'd rather not use a MUA for RSS
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04:19<caravel>my response should have been "try'em all, !tell about smart-questions :)
04:19<tom-x>I had looked around already and wanted opinions
04:20<n0a>when people ask for what is the best ...*? they usually mean which is the most popular.
04:20<tom-x>I forgot the other one I'd really tried and it had won some most popular thing before but it wasn't liferea which looks way better
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04:20<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
04:20<tom-x>desktop RSS readers are kinda stagnant, or were, with GReader
04:21<caravel>well, I've got liferea on my TO-DO for a year or two, so pretty please, enjoy :)
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04:24<n0a>canto is nice
04:24<n0a>for cli
04:24<n0a>uses ncurses
04:25<n0a>which automatically means awesome :D
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04:29<caravel>With a system installed inside a crypt, hence unlocked from initrd, is there a way to get more crypts unlocked at once, given they're using the same passphrase?
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04:34<caravel>I understand one solution is feeding crypttab with key files, but I'd like to avoid that
04:34<caravel>I already unlock the system crypt via dropbear and would like it to be just used
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04:36<caravel>(right now it boots and prompts for another phrase, "of course" before lan is up..)
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06:02<st_iron>hello, good morning
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06:03<josephjpasternack>I am really struggling to get my wireless card to work on debian, is there anyone who may be able to give me a hand or point me in the right direction? its a usb tenda w552u adapter.
06:04<jm_>have you folloed the wiki?
06:05<josephjpasternack>it works on my raspberry pi, just plug it in and put in the setting and it worked. using it on this other debian setup I can't find anything on the net to help
06:05<jm_>so find out which driver is used on rpi then
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06:06<josephjpasternack>jm_ I think they packaged just about all the wireless drivers to make it user friendly.
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06:06<jm_>josephjpasternack: it's probably a matter of a missing firmware so if you know the driver name it should be easy to figure it out
06:07<josephjpasternack>how would I find that out if I plugged it into the Pi?
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06:08<josephjpasternack>sorry I'm a noob, trying to learn linux.
06:08<jm_>unplug it, 'lsmod >/tmp/l1', plug it in, 'lsmod >/tmp/l2 ; diff /tmp/l?'
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06:08<jm_>there's "power it on" missing after unplug
06:08<bernat>josephjpasternack: "lspci -v" should tell you too
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06:09<jm_>alternatively you can poke also use ls -l /sys/class/net/*/device/driver
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06:09<jm_>this might be easier (and is also useful if it's already powered on with the device plugged in)
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06:34<josephjpasternack>i think I just messed up the pi messing with the setting, I'm going to ref lash it now and then ill be able to figure it out. I appleciate the help guys
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06:35<jm_>with which setting?
06:35<moibitw>someone speak spanish?
06:36<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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06:36<josephjpasternack>on boot it says it can't read /etc/network/interfaces
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06:37<bernat>josephjpasternack: you could try "lspci -k" on Debian, it could tell you which driver you need
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06:38<jm_>lspci is not for USB devices
06:38<josephjpasternack>right now I can't even load the network. its ref lashing the sd card now.
06:40<josephjpasternack>I thought it would be a better idea to learn linux on these small embedded devices because they wouldn't be as complicated as a full blown install, but I am not sure if that was a good idea.
06:41<jm_>it would be the same - the difference is you won't learn about installation phase, but other than that ...
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06:41<bernat>jm_: sry, I didn't understand it
06:42<josephjpasternack>i just figured it would force me to understand how things work without a gui and it would have only the necessary files to make the system run.
06:43<jm_>bernat: there's no need to apologize
06:44<bernat>josephjpasternack: you can do the same thing with a full sized computer, and more, installing a gui is optionally, and when installed even using it is still optional
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06:57<josephjpasternack>is there a way to apt-get the real tech drivers? I see that the driver i need is rt30xx or rt35xx
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06:58<jm_>how did you figure that out?
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06:58<josephjpasternack>looked on the cd
06:59<jm_>what cd?
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06:59<josephjpasternack>the cd that came with the wifi card
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06:59<jm_>that's probably for windows - did you run the ls command on rpi?
07:00<josephjpasternack>still flashing the sd card, almost done
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07:01<dpkg>Ralink 802.11n/g USB chipsets (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072, RT3370, RT3572, RT5370, RT5372) are supported by the rt2x00 project's rt2800usb driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.31. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>.
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07:01<bruce1>Question about debootstrap again, provided that I have dpkg available, is it true that I can do whatever debootstrap does with a series of dpkg commands? Does debootstrap do any magic thing other than that?
07:02<jm_>debootstrap is a shell script so you can easily inspect what it does
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07:03<bruce1>Oh, I didn't know. Thanks, I'll be back.
07:04<josephjpasternack>it says I have the newest version of the firmware....
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07:07<josephjpasternack>i donna, I have a feeling something else is going on.
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07:08<josephjpasternack>is there a place to see if the system is even seeing the usb card?
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07:09<bernat>josephjpasternack: dmesg, lsusb
07:09<josephjpasternack>thank you
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07:13<josephjpasternack> <--- is an idiot, the card was not plugged in all the way because the hdmi cable wouldn't allow it....
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07:14<bernat>josephjpasternack: that's an interface bug in your machine :)
07:15<josephjpasternack>lol i feel so dumb. i have been fighting this for hours.
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07:20<josephjpasternack>these little devices are so damn cool though, just pocket size computers that you can do just about anything on and take them where ever so you can practice.
07:20<josephjpasternack>and they were both under $50
07:21<jm_>happens to the best (sometimes :)
07:22<josephjpasternack>raspberry pi and beagle board black
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07:27<KidIcarus>intels edison is right out a james bond movie
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07:28<josephjpasternack>whats the price on that one though?
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07:28<josephjpasternack>all the intel dev boards are crazy expensive.
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07:29<KidIcarus>the galileo is a fair deal. edison pricing is not yet available
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07:30<josephjpasternack>i thought about the galileo but for $200 it doesn't have enough for me to play with. and its 400mhz, i believe only 256mb of ram.
07:31<josephjpasternack>the BBB board i bought last night has like 79 GPIO's
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07:31<KidIcarus>last off topic bit: the intel galileo is about 65€ here
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07:34<nocturnal>is there a way to see df info in sysfs or procfs?
07:34<josephjpasternack>not really off topic, all my boards run debian.
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07:34<Brigo>nocturnal: it has no sense, they are in ram
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07:35<nocturnal>Brigo: no I mean see the info that df outputs, but in sysfs or procfs
07:35<nocturnal>for scripting for example
07:35<nocturnal>to avoid parsing df output
07:35<Brigo>nocturnal: ah, ok :-)
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07:35<KidIcarus>josephjpasternack: didn't thought of it that way. so far i am speculating with a galileo but it seems intel already left it for dead
07:36<Brigo>nocturnal: may be you can use cat /proc/diskstats
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07:38<nocturnal>thanks Brigo
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07:39<nocturnal>Brigo: that's actually more about performance than space used
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08:02<bublik2002>anyone know how I can watch recorded and live tv shows from my windows pc running windows media center on my debian box?
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08:04<Brigo>bublik2002: why windows media? vlc can send it to your box easy
08:04<bublik2002>Brigo: live tv in hd as well?
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08:06<Brigo>bublik2002: i am not sure, but why not?
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08:07<bublik2002>what do i need to do to set that up?
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08:09<josephjpasternack>no one makes a tv tuner setup for linux? just do everything off your box.
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08:10<jm_>we use vlc on a system with a dvb-t tuner card at work to watch tv
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08:10<jm_>(vlc is used to stream it to other computers)
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08:11<bublik2002>well the only reason i stream from a windows box is because if windows media extenders... i can watch it in my living room with an xbox360 and it works really well
08:11<jm_>have you tried searching for a solution then?
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08:14<jm_>ahh I found a post saying it's windows only
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08:22<TobiX>jm_: Yes, Windows Media is Windows only
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08:23<jm_>so not doable then
08:23<TobiX>bublik2002: You could try an OpenSource PVR soloution for server+client
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08:24<TobiX>XBMC is a nice frontend, I don't know a good backend for Windows...
08:25<rah>I'm getting library problems using postgres in davical:
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08:25<TobiX>bublik2002: See for a nice overview of streaming backends
08:26<rah>[Mon Feb 24 13:25:57 2014] [error] [client] davical: LOG: Principal: Query: Error: QF in '/usr/share/davical/inc/Principal.php' on line 224
08:26<jm_>xbmc runs on windows too
08:26<rah>[Mon Feb 24 13:25:57 2014] [error] [client] davical: LOG: Principal: Query: QF: SQL error "58P01" - ERROR: could not load library "/usr/lib/postgresql/9.1/lib/": /usr/lib/postgresql/9.1/lib/ undefined symbol: CheckFunctionValidatorAccess"
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08:27<TobiX>bublik2002: might be a solution for you, but this is off-topic here, sorry
08:28<rah>here's the full log:
08:28<rah>can anyone point me in a direction?
08:29<jm_>rah: are all the packages from debian stable?
08:29<rah>jm_: they are
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08:30<jm_>rah: have you checked BTS?
08:30<rah>jm_: I have not
08:30<rah>jm_: but I have searched the web for the error message
08:31<rah>(and no Debian bugs turned up)
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08:32<jm_>rah: does psql work?
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08:32<rah>jm_: it does
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08:35<jm_>rah: not really sure how to track what's requesting that function (with a standalone tool it would be doable using LD_DEBUG variable)
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08:36<rah>$ objdump -T /usr/lib/postgresql/9.1/lib/ | grep CheckFunctionValidatorAccess
08:36<rah>00000000 D *UND* 00000000 CheckFunctionValidatorAccess
08:36<rah>jm_: what do you mean by "request" exactly?
08:36<jm_>rah: something is looking for that symbol apparently
08:37<jm_>in general one can find several psql related posts about it, so there must be something to it
08:38<rah>can one?
08:38<rah>what can one find several psql related posts about?
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08:39<jm_>CheckFunctionValidatorAccess, but I have to run now
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08:40<SynrG>rah: possibly same cause?
08:40<SynrG>,v postgresql
08:40<judd>Package: postgresql on i386 -- squeeze: 8.4.19-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.20-0squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 9.1+134wheezy4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy4; jessie: 9.3+153; sid: 9.3+154
08:42<SynrG>,v postgresql-9.3
08:42<judd>Package: postgresql-9.3 on i386 -- jessie: 9.3.2-1; sid: 9.3.3-1
08:42<rah>2014-02-21 06:26:19 upgrade postgresql-9.1:i386 9.1.11-0wheezy1 9.1.12-0wheezy1
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08:43<SynrG>rah: so, maybe still running 9.1.11 after upgrading to 9.1.12?
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08:48<maferv>is update-menus (menu package) generating the menu files and icons for XFCE/GNOME/KDE? I don't understand why it's needed, if simply with a few .desktop files in /usr/share/applications this task can be achieved. Can anybody please help me understand this?
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08:49<rah>SynrG: that would appear to be it; it works after restarting the postgres cluster
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08:50<petn-randall>maferv: If you'd ever want to change that dir, you'd probably have to fix > 1000 packages, with update-menus you'd only have to fix one.
08:51<SynrG>maferv: update-menus achieves WM-neutral and not necessarily even xdg-compliant menu integration
08:51<SynrG>it grew up in debian pre-xdg
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08:52<SynrG>personally, i think its day has come and gone, and simply having desktop files provided in xdg-compliant locations by all packages is now the way to go ... and if any remaining WMs don't handle that, then tough.
08:52<SynrG>but i don't get to call the shots
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08:55<maferv>I guess that's a pity SynrG, but thanks for the information. I've been reading about packaging for debian for some days and it seems there are a few things that aren't straightened up yet
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08:57<SynrG>maferv: as it is written right now, menu is mandated. xdg is not.
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08:57<SynrG>maferv: i think the reverse should be true
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08:58<SynrG>maferv: see #707851
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09:00<SynrG>,bug #707851
09:00<judd>Bug in debian-policy (pending, patch): «debian-policy: soften the wording recommending menu files»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-05-11; last modified: 2014-02-17.
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09:09<maferv>I'm reading it SynrG judd, it's a pretty long conversation
09:10<petn-randall>maferv: judd is a bot.
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09:12<maferv>thanks, nice to know petn-randall ! who else?
09:14<dpkg>We have lots of bots around to help out with different things. dpkg (<dpkgbot>) and <judd> are the main two for factoids and package information; dselect (<dselectbot>) fills in for dpkg. There's also debhelper (flooding, moderating), apt, ... Most bots are also in #debian-bots if you can't use /msg to talk to them. Be nice to the bots though; they have feelings, bleed oil and let out the <magic smoke> when angry.
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09:17<maferv>haha, great
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09:18<acidfu>aboudreault, moo
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09:34<thee>que tal
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09:45<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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09:48<SynrG>maferv: yes, and progress is being made, apparently
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09:49<SynrG>better than i had hoped (since bill is both a policy author *and* menu package maintainer)
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09:50<chakiljaifar>Hi everyone
09:50<chakiljaifar>how are you
09:50<chakiljaifar>can anyone here tell me how to make my desktop usable?
09:50<chakiljaifar>i am using elementary OS
09:51<dpkg>elementary OS is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. #elementary on
09:51<chakiljaifar>but is not accepting
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09:51<Maulkin>chakiljaifar: We'd advise you install Debian
09:51<mtn>chakiljaifar: use debian instead
09:51<chakiljaifar>tell me witch is the best linux os?
09:51<SynrG>debian, obviously
09:51<Maulkin>In our opinion
09:52<SynrG>you've come to the Debian support channel. you expect an unbiased answer?
09:52<nocturnal>mandrake ;)
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09:53<chakiljaifar>so, can you give me the advantages?
09:53<chakiljaifar>about debian
09:53<chakiljaifar>i wanna know more
09:54<chakiljaifar> if you can, send me links to download it please to my email.
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09:54<Maulkin>chakiljaifar: Sure: see
09:54<Maulkin>chakiljaifar: And
09:55<st_iron>I am still switching back to Wheezy from Ubuntu, but I found that there are problems with the wl driver
09:55<st_iron>does anyone have info about it?
09:55<Maulkin>st_iron: Well, it depends what issues you're having, ask away
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09:56<st_iron>Maulkin: still I use it in a virtual environment, but on the forums there are topics about the BCM4313 is tough to configure
09:56<st_iron>probably it can be solved simply with the non-free repository, and the proper package
09:57<st_iron>I just need preliminary info
09:57<st_iron>theoretically it works with Wheezy, right?
09:57<Ravaillac><st_iron>: Provide a PCI ID for your NIC, please.
09:57<abrotman>dpkg: tell st_iron about firmware images
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09:57<st_iron>03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
09:57<SynrG>st_iron: for PCI ID, use lspci -nn | grep -i network
09:57<SynrG>you need the -nn
09:57<Maulkin>st_iron: See too
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09:58<st_iron>03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter [14e4:4727] (rev 01)
09:58<SynrG>,pciid [14e4:4727]
09:58<judd>[14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcmsmac' in wheezy. See also and the out-of-tree 'wl' module.
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09:59<st_iron>good news, thank you
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10:03<maferv>SynrG, yes, it seems it's finally going to be sorted out for Jessie
10:03<SynrG>one can hope
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10:04<st_iron>what does the "out-of-tree" mean?
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10:04<SynrG>st_iron: source for the driver does not ship with the kernel.
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10:04<SynrG>st_iron: "out of tree" is outside the kernel tree
10:04<st_iron>ah, thanks
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10:13<nido_>how do i 'restart' a single network interface?
10:13<sney>ifdown ethX;ifup ethX
10:13<sney>assuming it's in /etc/network/interfaces anyway
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10:28<rpetre>hello, is there a way to search for reverse build-dependencies? i.e. all the source packages that build-depends of a specific binary one
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10:29<rpetre>not sure if aptitude handles source packages as well
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10:39<bernat>rpetre: see build-rdeps
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11:32<caravel>Hi again :) I understand that the risk warned at the top of [1] and at section 6.6 in [2] .. :) can be overcome by simply setting another key slot with a standard phrase. Am I correct?
11:32<caravel>[1] /lib/cryptsetup/scripts/decrypt_derived
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11:37<yashwant>I have installed debian squeze, My computer brightness is setting max brightness each time at the time of booting.
11:38<yashwant>decreased laptop brightness is not coming in next boot.
11:39<caravel>you must be enlightened! :)
11:39*caravel (sorry)
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11:40<caravel>yashwant: squeeze is "old stable" for a while, wheezy is "stable".
11:41<caravel>(just saying, maybe you have a reason to install squeeze specifically?)
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11:43<bernat>maybe to be enlightened :)
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11:44<yashwant>caravel, sorry my current system is wheezy 7. time and brightness bot is not synchronizing with previous boot.
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11:46<maferv>yashwant, you can handle that brightness level setting values to the files at /sys/class/brightness. Check what's there. A possible workaround is creating a script that triggers at shutdown time (to save current brightness level) and another at start-up time to revert to it
11:48<maferv>sorry, it's /sys/class/backlight !
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11:54<caravel>yashwant: just to illustrate what maferv said:
11:54<caravel># echo 0 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness
11:54<caravel># echo 15 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness
11:54<caravel>here I have to do that for a while :)
11:54<caravel>note it much depends on your hardware
11:55<caravel>(what issue you have and how to work it around)
11:55<yashwant>caravel, after booting brightness label is 15.
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11:56<mgr2>не получается зайти в консоли под пользователем, в чем может быть проблема? пишет что логин некорректен
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11:57<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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11:57<yashwant>if I am decreasing now then next boot again brightness will be 15. What to do for permanent 5 brightness after boot.
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11:58<caravel>yashwant: like I said, you need to look at what hardware you have, from there you're likely to find the solution if any
11:58<caravel>if the echo above works, at least you can script it..
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11:59<caravel>yashwant: and maybe your BIOS has a setting that forces it, simply?
11:59<yashwant>caravel, I can script above solution but where I can put so each time after boot it will run automatically.
12:00<caravel>stick it as a post-it :p
12:01*caravel is tired, too easy I apologize :)
12:02<bernat>yashwant: you could try adding "acpi_backlight=vendor" to the Linux command line, that may fix some brightness problems
12:02<Brigo>yashwant: /etc/rc.local
12:03<yashwant>Brigo: what is inside /etc/rc.local
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12:04<yashwant>bernat: "acpi_backlight=vendor" this command is not working.
12:04<Brigo>yashwant: scripts than run at boot time.
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12:04<caravel>yashwant: to save your own time (and others') I'd really suggest to 1- check your BIOS 2- query your hardware 3- search a bit 4- come back
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12:04<yashwant>Brigo: Thanks .
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12:05<caravel>you'll have mich more to tell, you'll get better help here then
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12:05<yashwant>caravel: How to check BIOS?
12:06<caravel>ok :) at boot, try either Esc F1 F2 F8 F10
12:06<yashwant>caravel: Linux yksingh 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 i686 GNU/Linux
12:06<caravel>(or refer to your *hardware* manual, they'll tell you how to access it)
12:07<jefferson>You can install Unity on Debian 7?
12:07*caravel unity spotted? where? where? :)
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12:08<yashwant>caravel: while starting computer I all ready checked bios there bios time is correct and my system wheezy Linux is 32 bit.
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12:08<caravel>yashwant: in the BIOS you don't care about the time right now :)
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12:09<junpq>hi, I'm trying to install debian in a Hyper-V UEFI VM right now, and the kernel panics right after grub any ideas?
12:09<caravel>yashwant: serch for display/power options in there
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12:10<caravel>yashwant: then, you uname won't really help either, but the adapter & driver in use
12:10<bernat>yashwant: that has to be set in /etc/default/grub, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_backlight=vendor", then run update-grub
12:10<maferv>definitely no jefferson, but why do you need it anyway? do you know anything about kde, xfce and lxde? or if you dare, gnome?
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12:12<yashwant>bernat : GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" in my system.
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12:13<bernat>yashwant: yes, I'm suggesting a change to that line
12:14<yashwant>bernat: K
12:14<junpq>or am I on the wrong channel with this issue?
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12:15<yashwant>bernat: Do u know how to synchronize time?
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12:15<Maulkin>junpq: Hrm... I'm not sure how well that workds to be honest
12:16<bernat>yashwant: what? have you solved your brightness issue?
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12:16<Maulkin>junpq: may have some more info in
12:17<Maulkin>Though it hasn't been updated in quite a few years.
12:18<yashwant>bernat : now brightness issue will reflect after next boot right?
12:18<bernat>yashwant: you need to run update-grub2
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12:18<junpq>if I add noapic, as the panic recommends, the log ends with "CPU0: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4700HQ CPU @ 2.40GHz stepping 03" and all I get is a black screen
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12:22<Maulkin>junpq: you could try asking on, but you may be out of luck I'm afraid.
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12:22<junpq>ok, thanks
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12:22<yashwant>bernat : my grub updated now.
12:23<myo>HELLO GUYS
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12:24<neo1691>Guys, I have just installed xcompmgr, and I want to make it run when X starts. So that I can achieve transparency in urxvt. What file should i add this xcompmgr -c &
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12:24<neo1691>I am using i3 BTW
12:25<asfethan>neo1691: .xinitrc
12:25<neo1691>asfethan: And that should be in my home folder
12:25<SynrG>~/.config/autostart/xcompmgr.desktop ;)
12:25<asfethan>neo1691: ofc
12:26<SynrG>(actually there are certain benefits to doing it this way, as perverse as it looks ...)
12:26<neo1691>thanks! SynrG no such file as xcompmgr.desktop
12:27<SynrG>right. need to create one with, e.g., alacarte
12:27<asfethan>SynrG: are you sure Xorg reads this file? or is it read by i3?
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12:29<SynrG>asfethan: it is read by any xdg-compliant session
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12:29<SynrG>as such, it provides autostart in a standards-compliant way that is understood by session management tools
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12:30<SynrG>so if you wanted to temporarily disable autostart of xcompmgr, you could do it the same way you would do it for anything else autostarted in your session.
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12:31<neo1691>SynrG: xinitrc will also work right?
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12:32<maferv>well, finally I finished reading bug #707851 SynrG, I can tell you it's going to be 'fixed' for sure in Jessie
12:32<asfethan>does it have session management?
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12:33<SynrG>maferv: yeah? even bill signed off on it? i skimmed that bit :)
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12:33<neo1691>asfethan: I don't know about session management in i3. In xfce there used to be a session manager
12:33<asfethan>I think that .xinitrc is standard way for lightweight WMs like i3, dwm, xmonad, etc...
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12:34<asfethan>neo1691: that question wasn't supposed to you, but try to use old good .xinitrc way.. btw how do you launch i3?
12:34<neo1691>asfethan: lightdm
12:34<neo1691>Chrisfodones: Hi
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12:34<neo1691>yashwant: welcome :)
12:35<neo1691>The name reminds me of a very famous book on C programming :)
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12:35<asfethan>read this
12:35<Chrisfodones>wher are you from?
12:35<asfethan>and try
12:36<centrx>Chrisfodones, Try #debian-offtopic or #moocows for general chat
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12:36<yashwant>My brightness problem resolved.
12:36<neo1691>Ok! ps aux should contain the entry xcompmgr next time I start i3?
12:36<neo1691>yashwant: Cheers
12:36<Chrisfodones>I'm sorry
12:37<yashwant>Now how to synchronized time for each time.
12:37<centrx>Chrisfodones, Welcome to IRC!
12:37<maferv>SynrG, I'm not quite sure, but it seems plessy got enough DDs to back his patch
12:37<yashwant>neo1691: Thanks.
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12:37<SynrG>maferv: yeah
12:37<neo1691>"/join #debian-offtopic" to be precise
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12:38<asfethan>yashwant: you want to do what?
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12:40<asfethan>neo1691: so? did it help?
12:40<maferv>SynrG, do you understand what objection is bill talking about in the last message?
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12:40<yashwant>Time what ever I am setting in next boot it is changing automatically?
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12:41<bernat>yashwant: install ntp in case it's not intalled, it's the time daemon to synch time with internet servers
12:41<SynrG>asfethan: it's not the wm's job, per se, but the session manager's job
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12:42<asfethan>SynrG: if you use some of course ;-)
12:42<SynrG>asfethan: it's not so much "does a wm have session management" ... but "does it play nicely within a session"
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12:42<SynrG>a lot of modern desktop software *assumes* you're in a session
12:42<asfethan>Well there are people who don't need session management at all
12:42<SynrG>i mean, in a session with certain daemons running
12:43<SynrG>so in that environment (doesn't matter the WM ...) you might want to use the ~/.config/autostart (and /etc/xdg/autostart) method for managing autostarted things.
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12:43<SynrG>otherwise, look to ~/.xinitrc
12:44<SynrG>asfethan: people not using session management are a declining minority
12:44<asfethan>as I said, this is not always true for people who prefer tiling WMs and simplicity
12:44<SynrG>session management *is* simple. it has been around for aeons.
12:44<asfethan>they are not, don't discriminate us because a mainstream is using something else
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12:54<SynrG>asfethan: hm. i did not mean to discriminate. providing good support advice is a) part guessing what most people want b) part offering alternatives in case your guess was wrong. we have done both, here.
12:54<SynrG>at no point did i say "don't use ~/.xinitrc" :)
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12:56<scape>hello i need a little advice with antix 13.2 was hoping someone could point me in the right direction..
12:56<asfethan>there was some irony grimace on my face when I typed that sentence, don't take it too seriously ^_^
12:56<SynrG>sure. moving on
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12:56<dpkg>antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. #mepis on See also <based on debian>.
12:56<scape>aah ty
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13:17<Guest1161>تحذير قد تكون مراقب
13:17<Guest1161>هل تستخدم امريكا و اسرائيل الانترنت بمواقعه ( يوتيوب, فيس بوك, تويتر,غرف الشات..) للتجسس?!
13:17<Guest1161> warning you may be watched
13:17<Guest1161> do usa & israel use the internet ( youtube, facebook, twitter, chat rooms,ect...)to collect informations,,,,can we call that spying ?
13:17<Guest1161>why they ask for ur name,age,gender,occupation,place of work,ur mobile number.............ect, can they harm u while using these informations?!
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13:41<detlion1643>I can't seem to get my wireless usb adapter to stay connected (connects for about 15 seconds, disconnects for about 1-2 minutes) and just repeats. It is a Netgear WNA1000 N150. I have installed firmware-linux-free and firmware-atheros and nothing has changed. I did a fresh net install of Debian stable (7.4) 1 day ago. This happens in gnome3 and lxde.
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13:43<Brigo>detlion1643, what chipset?
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13:45<detlion1643>do i get that from lsusb? if so, it lists: WNA1000 Wireless-N 150 (Atheros AR9170+AR9101)
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13:46<dpkg>carl9170 is a Linux kernel driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.37, supporting draft 802.11n USB wireless LAN devices based on the Atheros AR9170 chipset. It replaces <ar9170usb>, provides improved functionality (e.g. 802.11n support) and only uses open firmware. Firmware from userspace is required (carl9170-1.fw), install the firmware-linux-free package to provide.
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13:56<bruce1>How do I (if I can) fetch debian source codes directly from their version control system? (i.e. not apt-get)
13:56<Brigo>detlion1643, i think this is a new module not very good testing. Try to upgrade your kernel.
13:57<sney>bruce1: varies wildly depending on what package you're talking about
13:58<Ravaillac><bruce1>: What's the objective?
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13:58<bruce1>So different packages are spread over different servers? (I thought Debian provided a centrol Git server or something like that :)
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13:59<dpkg>As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package>
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13:59<sney>there is a git server for some things like native debian packages. I'm not sure where it is exactly, probably on alioth somewhere. but non-native packages (e.g. most applications and libraries, the bulk of the archive) is controlled by package maintainers, and apt-get source is your answer for those.
14:00<sney>bruce1: ah, it's
14:01<Brigo>well, apt-get source <package> will do the job ...
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14:02<sney>not if you're actually trying to answer his original question
14:03<Brigo>sney, of course :-)
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14:03<bruce1>sney: are all the packages hosted here?
14:03<Brigo>but is so wonderfull :-D
14:03<detlion1643>Brigo: "uname -r" returns: 3.2.0-4-amd64 and "aptitude search linux-image" returns 1 result for linux-image-2.6-amd64, the rest are of 3.2.0-4 (which I'm currently on)
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14:03<bruce1>For example, where is the Debian-modified linux kernel?
14:04<Brigo>detlion1643, backports time :-)
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14:04<sney>bruce1: the kernel is likely to be there. but most packages are not, they are wherever their maintainers keep them.
14:04<Brigo>detlion1643, i mind you have to activate backport to get new kernels.
14:04<bruce1>I see, thanks!
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14:05<n0a>that sounds a bit unsecure doesnt it?
14:05<Brigo>dpkg !backports detlion1643
14:05<dpkg>Brigo: i haven't a clue
14:05<sney>bruce1: the PTS at may give you more information
14:06<bruce1>So, is like a Git server provided by Debian and package maintainers choose whether to use it?
14:06<sney>that's my understanding, yes
14:06<Brigo>detlion1643, now you should see a message from dkpg about backports, if i am right :-/
14:07<detlion1643>Brigo: Yes, although it's just the !backports command and not the actual results of the command
14:07<Brigo>detlion1643, :-(
14:07<detlion1643>it came from you, not dkpg
14:08<detlion1643>i'm reading the pages now, so I should be ok
14:08<Brigo>well if you write !backports in that window may get the information ... if i am right, again :-)
14:08<Brigo>dpkg /msg brigo !backports
14:08<dpkg>Brigo: I don't know, could you explain it?
14:11<sney>dpkg: tell brigo about backports
14:11<Brigo>sney, i just done it, thanks :-)
14:11<sney>just helping with the syntax
14:11<sney>also you don't need the ! outside of the channel
14:11<Brigo>yes !tell user about topic
14:11<Brigo>i will try to remember :-)
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14:28<detlion1643>hmm... I added the backport for wheezy in my sources.list. Ran the updates for apt-get and aptitude. Then using apt-get -t wheezy-backports, installed firmware-linux-free... It didn't install/upgrade. I then purged the previous firmware-linux-free, then installed the one from wheezy-backports, and there is no noticeable difference with regards to the wifi
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14:29<sney>detlion1643: you need the new kernel, not just the firmware
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14:30<sney>there's a 3.12 kernel in wheezy-backports.
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14:31<detlion1643>Thanks sney, I see it now... I should get the 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64, right? There is one listed the same with -rt-amd64 as well
14:32<sney>rt kernels are a specialized thing, if you don't know what it is then you don't need it
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14:34<Brigo>detlion1643, no the firmware, the kernel :-)
14:35<detlion1643>Currently downloading/installing the 3.12 kernel... I'll learn the ropes soon I hope :)
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14:40<detlion1643>3.12 kernel and firmware haven't disconnected yet... thank you so much!!!
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14:57<detlion1643>One last thing to be cleared up since upgrading to 3.12 kernel. do i have to install/upgrade all my apps through the backports now?
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15:02<trico>libreoffice keeps trying to recover a file that was attached to an email and failing. it does this everytime i try to open something. how do i get it to forget about this file?
15:03<ompaul>trico: .libreoffice(3..)/something/backup/...
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15:04<ompaul>trico: guess building a locatedb might be useful ... or just do cd and have a long
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15:06<trico>ompaul: thanks, ill look
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15:12<ivanoov>salut :)
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15:15<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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15:21<yuri_>hi, i'm trying to install debian stable in my notebook, but after the stall appears a error message and the gnome 3 doesnt load the original mode, just the classic. what can i do? =)
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15:21<ompaul>get a laptop
15:22<ompaul>get more ram (a lot more)
15:22<ompaul>get a bigger proc ...
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15:22<ompaul>yuri_: you can try and force it but tbh it wouldn't be worth the effort and nobody here has that much time to invest in killing brain cells :)
15:22*ompaul would rather beat it up with beer :)
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15:23<yuri_>how can i force it?
15:24<ompaul>yuri_: hacking for days on end
15:24<yuri_>oh, really? o.o
15:24<yuri_>so hard. >.<
15:24<ompaul>yuri_: it is basically saying you ain't got the hardware
15:24<blast007>yuri_: what graphics chipset is in that system?
15:24<yuri_>oh. but with ubuntu it works perfectly.
15:24<blast007>installing the non-free firmware may get you going
15:25<yuri_>intel graphics 3000
15:25<yuri_>i did install the non-free firmware, but didn't work. =/
15:25<SynrG>should work fine. maybe the chipset is too new?
15:26<SynrG>yuri_: lspci -nn | grep -i vga
15:26<yuri_>i don't know how new it is. I have it from one year
15:26<ompaul>yuri_: and what version of debian are you trying to install ?
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15:26<yuri_>debian wheezy
15:26<SynrG>yuri_: did you install the default desktop or something else?
15:26<ompaul>SynrG: it's a three year old chip set
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15:27<blast007>SynrG: they're using Gnome 3
15:27<SynrG>yes, and that should be fine on that chipset
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15:28<yuri_>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0116] (rev 09)
15:28<yuri_>(i did it from ubuntu. makes diference?)
15:28<ompaul>SynrG: does it need a 3. kernel
15:29<SynrG>,pciid [8086:0116]
15:29<judd>[8086:0116] is '2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also
15:29<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-trunk-686-pae (3.13-1~exp1); sid: 3.13-1-686-pae (3.13.4-1); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.9-1); wheezy-backports: 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.12.9-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.54-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4)
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15:30<ompaul>yuri_: uname -a please
15:30<blast007>from the Debian side for this one
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15:31<ompaul>awwww that's not forthcoming I see
15:32<SynrG>anyway, kmuto's hcl says: v2.6.38-
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15:33<yuri_>uname -a : Falha ao abrir uma sessão para a máquina virtual Android - Nexus One - 4.2.2 - with Google Apps - API 17 - 480x800.
15:33<yuri_>The VM session was closed before any attempt to power it on.
15:33<yuri_>Código de Resultado: NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005)
15:33<yuri_>Componente: SessionMachine
15:33<yuri_>Interface: ISession {12f4dcdb-12b2-4ec1-b7cd-ddd9f6c5bf4d}
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15:33<detlion1643>anybody know of any good virtualization programs? virtualbox isn't installing right and/or starting right as there are vboxdrv errors
15:33<ompaul>SynrG: ... and there you go
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15:34<trico>libreoffice keeps trying to recover a file that was attached to an email and failing. it does this everytime i try to open something. how do i get it to forget about this file? i already looked in but the directory is empty
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15:35<SynrG>yuri_: ok, so you didn't do an actual debian install
15:35<yuri_>kernel 3.2.0-4-486 here
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15:36<SynrG>yuri_: installing debian in a chroot is not the same thing as installing debian.
15:36<trico>nevermind, cleared the entire .openoffice
15:36<ompaul>trico: you shouldn't have to
15:36<ompaul>trico: that is why I said updatedb for locatedb
15:36<ompaul>well not exactly that
15:36<ompaul>but you get the idea
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15:37<yuri_>righ now i'm using in a virtual box, but i installed in hd too, and the same error occured
15:37<trico>i didnt see anything like that and i need to get this done
15:37<trico>thanks though
15:37<SynrG>yuri_: so this system is triple-booted android, ubuntu and debian right now?
15:38<yuri_>There is no android.
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15:38<yuri_>My sistem is ubuntu and im using debian inside virtual box
15:38<yuri_>but i also have debian in another partition.. but it is new, im still learning to use.
15:39<SynrG>yuri_: well, we're asking you to boot to debian to provide us with info.
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15:39<ompaul>yuri_: so why the <yuri_> uname -a : Falha ao abrir uma sessão para a máquina virtual Android - Nexus One - 4.2.2 - with Google Apps - API 17 - 480x800.
15:39<yuri_>oh, this android nexus one was a miss click
15:39<SynrG>i see.
15:39*ompaul gives up
15:39<yuri_>i'm sorry. :)
15:40<SynrG>yuri_: we just want the output of 'uname -a' from debian, please. not *part* of it from memory ...
15:40<SynrG>the whole thing, literally
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15:40<SynrG>and not booted in virtualbox, either
15:40<yuri_>Ok, i'll reboot in debian
15:40<yuri_>thanks :D
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15:49<TheFranko>Hey all, I was hoping to find help with an error I am getting from apt-get install -f. All the pages I find dont seem to address how to abort installing the package in question, but just press on. Ive since installed the packages via .deb files, so just wanna clear that out.
15:49<ompaul>!tell TheFranko about bat
15:50<DarkUranium>(sorry, couldn't resist. Carry on.)
15:50<ompaul>two isotopes to the left
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15:52<DarkUranium>ompaul: what is?
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15:52<ompaul>DarkUranium: it was to the right ...
15:53<DarkUranium>no idea what you're talking about, but w/e >_<
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15:53<ompaul>the element
15:53*ompaul goes to #debian-offtopic
15:54<DarkUranium>ompaul: thought you were talking about batman.
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15:54<ompaul>DarkUranium: na, I was on an atomic table as I said #d-o
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15:57<detlion1643>anybody know of any good virtualization programs? virtualbox isn't installing right and/or starting right as there are vboxdrv errors
15:57<DarkUranium>depending on your needs, there's qemu.
15:58<nocturnal>detlion1643: what kind of errors? you need to load the drivers
15:58<nocturnal>there's an init script for loading them
15:58<TheFranko> But ive already updated to 0.4.4 after some installation errors. But this still remains in my apt-get keeping me from installing other things.
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15:59<TheFranko>And now its uneeded
16:00<ompaul>TheFranko: did you not read the message from the bot?
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16:01<ompaul>you didn't do as much as it asks
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16:02<TheFranko>Oh. One sec.
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16:05<Brigo>detlion1643, may be you have to install the drivers ...
16:06<detlion1643>I did "aptitude -t wheezy-backports install virtualbox". Upon starting I get: "Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908) ... "reinstall the kernel module by executing /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup"... However, running that command gives: a log file that has "/etc/init.d/vboxdrv: 334: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv: /usr/share/virtualbox/src/vboxhost/build_in_tmp: not found
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16:08<TheFranko> think this covers it
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16:08<Brigo>detlion1643, try to install virtualbox-dkms
16:09<Brigo>if it is alredy installed try to dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-dkms
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16:10<Brigo>TheFranko, try aptitude
16:10<TheFranko>Also odd is Im on 0.4.4 and that output states 0.4.2 still.
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16:11<ompaul>TheFranko: the repo in question is from weechat you need to talk to them ... and also note you have ppa in there - that may break your debian badly that is a mess suggest you uninstall that stuff and get straight debian before you kill your box
16:11<ompaul>TheFranko: basically you are not running debian
16:11<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
16:12<Brigo>TheFranko, you can get weechat from jessy.
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16:14<SynrG>detlion1643: you're missing the headers.
16:14<TheFranko>well I installed it from the .deb files after apt-get wasnt working. but this never went away.
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16:14<TheFranko>but I think I had installed the old one this way perhaps hence issues
16:15<ompaul>scars on the system
16:15<SynrG>detlion1643: oh! or you have recommends disabled by default (almost always a bad idea)
16:15<detlion1643>I have the 3.12 headers from installing from the backports
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16:15<detlion1643>SynrG, what is that?
16:15<SynrG>do you have recommends disabled?
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16:16<SynrG>!tell detlion1643 about apt recommends
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16:18<SynrG>detlion1643: anyway, in a paste, put output of 'apt-cache policy virtualbox*'
16:18<TheFranko>Thanks Brigo, was able to get it cleared for now. Will get repositories fixed and keep to the deb files.
16:18<Brigo>TheFranko, np :-)
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16:24<detlion1643_>Sorry it took a while - had to get an irc client on the linux machine
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16:27<detlion1643_>apt-cache policy virtualbox:
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16:28<musca>,v virtualbox
16:28<judd>Package: virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+2; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.2.16-dfsg-3~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.6-dfsg-2; sid/contrib: 4.3.6-dfsg-2
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16:29<SynrG>detlion1643: not what i asked for ...
16:30<SynrG>17:18 < SynrG> detlion1643: anyway, in a paste, put output of 'apt-cache policy virtualbox*'
16:30<pityuka44>Hi, can someone halp me installing kernel 3.12?
16:30<musca>detlion1643_: you need the contrib component for latest from backports
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16:30<SynrG>musca: nice catch
16:30<ompaul>!tell pityuka44 about backports
16:30<SynrG>well, sec ...
16:30<SynrG>not for 4.1.18 ...
16:31<SynrG>pityuka44: honestly, i wouldn't bother with 4.1
16:31<SynrG>pityuka44: oops, sorry, not meant for you
16:31<ompaul>SynrG: eh?
16:31<SynrG>detlion1643: honestly, i wouldn't bother with 4.1
16:31<ompaul>pityuka44: yourmirror in there referrs to the mirror you pick your debian from
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16:32<SynrG>detlion1643: for one thing, if you're using a current backports kernel, i doubt if the dkms for 4.1 builds for that
16:32<ompaul>pityuka44: paste the following /etc/apt/sources.list into
16:32<pityuka44>ompaul: I know but I did when i installed the system. How can i found out now?
16:33<ompaul>pityuka44: you have instructions please follow them - call me or SynrG when you have that done
16:33<pityuka44>ah i see now
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16:34<SynrG>detlion1643: so first, do as musca said. make sure you add contrib to your apt sources
16:34<SynrG>detlion1643: then apt-get update, then apt-get install -t wheezy-backports virtualbox
16:34<SynrG>detlion1643: that will at least get you up to 4.2
16:35<pityuka44> or is my backport?
16:35<ompaul>pityuka44: /debian one
16:35<bublik2002>anyone know how I can watch recorded and live tv shows from my windows pc running windows media center on my debian box?
16:35<pityuka44>As i see that one is active
16:35<ompaul>pityuka44: note that the last two lines in that file could break your system
16:36<ompaul>pityuka44: you should remove the packages they updated and use only the debian stuff those make all bets off
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16:36<pityuka44>ompaul: You are saying that it's impossible to wath a televison channel online site on debian?
16:36<SynrG>bublik2002: if you're talking about running windows applications on debian, wine is how. but not everything works in wine.
16:36<ompaul>pityuka44: did I say that
16:37<SynrG>!tell bublik2002 about wine
16:37<pityuka44>That's why i need pipelight
16:37<ompaul>pityuka44: firstly the thing was get you a 3.12 kernel
16:37<ompaul>pityuka44: now you want to do things in a way that is not debian ...
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16:38<ompaul>fine -- I'll leave you to it have a great day
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16:38<pityuka44>now its look like this
16:38<SynrG>bublik2002: you probably can't make it work in wine. you should look into using mythtv or so on debian instead.
16:39<SynrG>(although mythtv isn't in debian)
16:39<bublik2002>SynrG: ok thanks . i was wondering if someone had already done something like that before
16:39<SynrG>maybe xbmc instead
16:39<pityuka44>Sorry if i piss you off, but i don't think it's a big request from an OS to watch online video without break the system. What do you think about this? seriously?
16:40<SynrG>bublik2002: i think it's a lost cause. i did a quick check at the wine db (the factoid dpkg sent you links to it)
16:40<Brigo>pityuka44, i do it without problems.
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16:40<SynrG>bublik2002: read:
16:40<bublik2002>SynrG: i need to keep my windows for media server because it streams it to my xbox360's in other rooms. I'm pretty sure its the only one that does live tv streaming
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16:41<SynrG>bublik2002: so you're saying you want to stream *from* windows *to* debian?
16:41<ompaul>pityuka44: one thing at a time ..
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16:41<SynrG>pityuka44: if so, i think i slightly misunderstood the question :)
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16:42<bublik2002>SynrG: correct. since its already streaming to my other stuff i was wanting to watch tv programs from my debian laptop sometimes
16:43<pityuka44>apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae this command not working
16:43<bozicsr>stream via vlc player
16:43<ompaul>pityuka44: did you apt-get update
16:43<SynrG>bublik2002: got it. well, technically, what is it streaming? what codec? any DRM involved? what protocol?
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16:43<ompaul>pityuka44: why squeeze-backports maybe you are running wheezy
16:44<SynrG>bublik2002: if you had some specs for what windows media player is streaming, we might tell you if there's a debian client to watch it
16:44<bublik2002>SynrG: i'm not sure.. probably wmv
16:44<pityuka44>Yes i did
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16:44<SynrG>bublik2002: vlc is pretty good for watching streams
16:44<ompaul>pityuka44: and wheezy-backports ....
16:44<pityuka44>Oh. yeah
16:44<ompaul>pityuka44: squeeze is an old verison
16:45<SynrG>bublik2002: you could see if Media > Open Network Stream has any knobs there that match what your server is sending
16:45<bublik2002>SynrG: you mean in vlc on my debian box?
16:45<pityuka44>It's doing
16:45<bublik2002>one sec.. installing it
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16:46<ompaul>pityuka44: you should research debian and that software you want - and read about it on debian - you have it at the moment
16:46<ompaul>have fun
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16:47<bublik2002>SynrG: its asking me to enter a network url
16:47<pityuka44>ompaul: How do you mean?
16:48<ompaul>pityuka44: read stuff about running a debian system - that debian administrators handbook would be more useful than running stuff from suse as well intentioned as it is
16:48<ompaul>pityuka44: also be aware that mixing things gets people saying stuff like this
16:48<ompaul>!tell pityuka44 about frankendebian
16:49<ompaul>cheers - I'm off
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16:49<pityuka44>Can someone help me watching silverllight videos on the web?
16:49<bublik2002>synrg: under url i put in the local address of my windows box and it said that "Your input can't be opened."
16:49<SynrG>17:43 < pityuka44> apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae this command
16:49<SynrG> not working
16:50<trico>pityuka44: you found one?
16:50<bozicsr><bublik2002> Put address
16:50<SynrG>pityuka44: ^^ apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae
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16:50<SynrG>bublik2002: ah, well, it's more than just that
16:50<pityuka44>SynrG: That's already done
16:50<SynrG>it's an actual URL, with protocol and path components ...
16:50<SynrG>pityuka44: so you installed the kernel successfully?
16:51<pityuka44>yes but didn't reboot yet
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16:51<bublik2002>SynrG: so any clue as to what I have to do ?
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16:51<pityuka44>i reboot now
16:51<SynrG>pityuka44: so i guess you want to reboot, then
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16:51<detlion1643_>Ok, so I purged virtual box, added some contribs (I hope) into my sources, ran aptitude update, and installed virtualbox via wheezy-backports... this is my sources.list and apt-cache policy virtualbox now...
16:52<SynrG>bublik2002: figure out what URL is appropriate given the kind of stream that is being offered
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16:52<SynrG>bublik2002: i.e. we need some clues now from the doc for your server or so :)
16:52<bublik2002>SynrG: whats my best way to just access the files on my windows box so that I can atleast play the recordings
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16:53<SynrG>bublik2002: well, you could use cifs
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16:54<SynrG>!tell bublik2002 about cifs
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16:54<n0a>samba. k.i.s.s
16:54<SynrG>aka cifs
16:55<n0a>they changed the name?
16:55<SynrG>smbfs is deprecated. cifs is the same thing
16:55<SynrG>no, they didn't
16:55<pityuka44>SynrG: In the bootloader menu there is still just 3.2 kernel version but in two version s 686 and 486
16:55<SynrG>n0a: samba is the *server*
16:55<SynrG>for the client end, you mount cifs
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16:56<SynrG>pityuka44: is there a single OS on the computer or is it multiboot?
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16:56<SynrG>pityuka44: i.e. is it a debian-only system?
16:57<pityuka44>Multiboot. Two debian (gnome and KDE) and a fedora
16:57<SynrG>which OS is responsible for managing your bootloader?
16:57<pityuka44>I think alwasy the last one which is the other debian
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16:58<SynrG>pityuka44: you need to 'update-grub' in your other debian
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17:03<pityuka44>What did i do wrong?
17:03<SynrG>it says:
17:03<SynrG>Found Debian GNU/Linux (7.4) on /dev/sdc1
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17:03<pityuka44>It didn't find 3.12
17:03<SynrG>is that where you updated the kernel?
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17:04<SynrG>is this update-grub from the *other* debian?
17:04<SynrG>are you sure /dev/sdc1 isn't the one where you installed 3.12?
17:05<SynrG>this is saying /dev/sdc1 has an "other" debian ...
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17:05<pityuka44>Yes it's on sdc1 , and now i'm on sd3 which was the last installation so it's responsible for grub
17:06<SynrG>well, after running that, select the "Debian GNU/Linux (7.4) on /dev/sdc1" boot option
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17:09<pityuka44>It1s good now. I thought the *other* debian shows the kernels as well in the grub update but as I saw it didn't
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17:11<pityuka44>I removed the pipelight because ompaul told me not to use "non debian" stuff. Now how can i watch online tx channel which needs Silverlight?
17:11<detlion1643_>Ok, so I purged virtual box, added some contribs (I hope) into my sources, ran aptitude update, and installed virtualbox via wheezy-backports... this is my sources.list and apt-cache policy virtualbox now...
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17:13<pityuka44> Is this method good or it breaks my system as well
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17:13<pityuka44>Ah. It's still opensuse repo
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17:19<pityuka44>I think there isn't other way on debian to watch silverlight videos just the opensuse repo. Anybody?
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17:22<menescau>trying to install virtual host, but there is no http.conf o apache directory
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17:22<dondelelcaro>menescau: have you installed apache2?
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17:24<menescau>yes dondelelcaro
17:24<menescau>there is apache2.conf
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17:24<menescau>but not http.conf
17:25<menescau>I know its a very stupid question
17:25<menescau>but last time I did it was different
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17:27<dondelelcaro>menescau: that's OK; the apache configuration has changed over time
17:27<dondelelcaro>menescau: if you read /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, it explains everything fairly well
17:29<menescau>will do that dondelelcaro
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17:29<menescau>I was avoinding it cz I know its very very simple
17:29<menescau>and someone of you may just say hey the place is here now
17:29<menescau>and I just define the directories for host
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17:30<menescau>avoiding to read
17:30<menescau>to much
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17:31<menescau>but thank you dondelelcaro
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17:32<menescau>I found
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17:34<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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17:39<foffa>anyone online ?
17:39<SynrG>nobody here but us chickens
17:40<foffa>im extremely high dude :D
17:40<SynrG>are you seeking advice with a debian problem? you've reached the debian support channel
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17:41<foffa>is there any software center in this toilet debian ?
17:42<oldlaptop>toilets are noted for their lack of software centers
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17:42<SynrG>consider waiting until you're sober before proceeding to screw your system up irrecoverably
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17:42<oldlaptop>the OS Debian supports several different APT frontends (including Ubuntu Software Center, IIRC)
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17:42<oldlaptop>and the sober thing
17:43<SynrG>i mean, whatever you're considering probably only *seems* like a good idea right now.
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17:43<foffa>is there any driver for nvidian optimus ?
17:44<oldlaptop>that is a complicated topic
17:44<foffa>damn it :S
17:44<oldlaptop>strongly advise you tackle it sober :/
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17:44<foffa>*shoots self*
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17:58<Zach_>Hey - any chance anybody could help me with setting up a Mail Server
17:58<Zach_>I've installed Dovecot and Postfix
17:58<Zach_>When I send mail, I get the error: Client host rejected: Access denied
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18:05<foffa>how to configure outlook mail on evolution ?
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18:08<SynrG>foffa: depends on what you mean. import from outlook mailboxes? or communicate with an email account on Exchange Server?
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18:11<menescau>how to set up a second ip on a server? when I try ifconfig for another eth it dont be visible outside the server...
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18:12<bernat>menescau: what's the output of "ip addr"?
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18:14<menescau>unable to connect bernat
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18:15<menescau>is it what you ask?
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18:15<bernat>are you sure?
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18:16<menescau>lol now worked
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18:16<menescau>and how to isolate apache for each ip address
18:16<menescau>bernat, ?
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18:19<foffa>SynrG, i dont know the outlook server incoming/outgoing
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18:21<menescau>how to isolate 2 different websites in the same machine for 2 different ips on eth ?
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18:22<nevyn>menescau: go read up on the VirtualHost directive.
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18:27<foffa>each time im trying to install a package theres an error missing file in red color .. WHY
18:28<devil_>foffa: please pastebin your error
18:28<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
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18:30<foffa>im trying to install WINE an error appear says: Error:dependency is not satisfiable:wine-bin (>=1.4.1-4|wine64-bin
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18:31<foffa>i installed :wine-bin another error says Error:dependency is not satisfiable:wine32
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18:31<foffa>i installed wine32 another error says Error:dependency is not satisfiable: libwine
18:31<foffa>and its keep shows error
18:31<devil_>never installed wine. sounds like a multiarch problem though
18:32<nevyn>wine isn't 64bit
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18:32<nevyn>so you must have working multiarch for it to install
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18:32<menescau>nevyn, I saw nothing about on virtual host...
18:33<menescau>may just dont need to isolate
18:33<nevyn>menescau: ffs lmgtfy
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18:34<h4b0>hello all :)
18:34<Osiris_X>foffa: what version of WINE are you trying to install?
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18:35<Osiris_X>... there are several in the repository
18:36<Osiris_X>and as far as I know multi-arch only applies to v1.6 and v1.7 (wine-unstable)
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18:42<SynrG>!tell foffa about multiarch
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18:44<guilherme>hi, I have some issues with the java on my Debian sid with the iceweasel
18:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:46<guilherme>ok, Iceweasel says that it is the correct version on: although I am not abel to use the internet banking, even on chrome. Any idea? What can I try?
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18:49<bernat>that sees a problem with your internet banking rather than Debian. You can see installed plugins in Iceweasel browsing to "about:plugins".
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18:55<Osiris_X>guilherme: does that mean you are using sun java rather than openjdk6 or 7?
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19:04<ecardenasq>alguien sabe de algun canal de python en español
19:05<ecardenasq>aki en irc
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19:06<themill>ecardenasq: /server ; /join #python-es
19:06<ecardenasq>gracias haber si lo encuentro
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19:08<ecardenasq>es este mismo server
19:08<ecardenasq>por que veo que no existe ese canal
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19:10<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
19:10<themill>ectospasm: Este es Debe conectarse a (And my spanish is terrible)
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19:10<themill>ecardenasq: Este es Debe conectarse a (And my spanish is terrible)
19:10<themill>and I also can't use <tab> today.
19:11<devil_>it's monday. you are excused :)
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19:11<devil_>here it is. 01:11
19:14<guilherme>Osiris_X, bernat: I tried openjdk 7 and now with the oracle packages
19:16<bernat>themill: your Spanish is good :)
19:17<ecardenasq>ok thanks im sorry
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19:22<Osiris_X>guilherme: what works for me is using openjdk7 with icedtea-7-plugin (+ all the dependencies)
19:23<Osiris_X>without icedtea-7-plugin, you don't get the java functionality in the web browser
19:23<guilherme>I installed it
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19:24<guilherme>the package icedtea-plugin and icedtea-7-plugin openjdk-7-jre
19:25<guilherme>also the version 6 too
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19:26<Osiris_X>guilherme: which bank website?
19:26<guilherme>I am from Brazil, it is
19:28<Osiris_X>guilherme: ok and what specifically fails to work on the site?
19:29<guilherme>they ask me to verify the installation of the Java, but they are not especific
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19:32<Osiris_X>guilherme: is this something I can test without logging in to the website?
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19:34<guilherme>I think this:
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19:34<guilherme>this should be the palce you log in and also where I get the error
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19:35<guilherme>It used to work on my older notebook (stable debian). I bought a new one (sid)
19:36<Osiris_X>guilherme: ok so I get a dialogue box asking for my approval to run the jmid applet
19:36<Osiris_X>do you get this?
19:39<guilherme>yes, but even accepting it the log in screen does not appears
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19:44<Osiris_X>guilherme: hmmm ok I see the error - which makes me think that this is a site-specific problem
19:45<Osiris_X>since I can run java applets on many other sites
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19:46<Osiris_X>guilherme: have tried using chromium or google chrome?
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19:50<guilherme>yes I did with google chrome. Same problem.
19:51<Osiris_X>guilherme: my portugese is not great, but the message could indicate that "identification" being sent back is not what is expected by the bank - i.e. not a windows machine
19:51<guilherme>I am checking my old computer and it uses openjdk 6 when I try update-alternatives --config javap
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19:52<Osiris_X>previously did you have some kind identification faking / altering mechanism - i.e. like a proxy
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19:53<guilherme>no, without proxy
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20:02<wallzero>Greetings. I have a headless server and organizing files through the command line is tedious. What would be the best way to perform this graphically. I thought about X-Forwarding a file explorer but that would involve installing X11.
20:03<wallzero>If I use SMB or SFTP than moving files seems to go through my internet connection, which is slow.
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20:04<wallzero>I've looked into midnight commander as well, but is there a better way?
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20:06<abrotman>wallzero: a lot of people like mc, I think there are various plugins for it
20:06*abrotman wonders how many files there are to organize
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20:08<wallzero>abrotman: It depends. If a friend drops by with a drive and I plug it into my NAS box, I was just thinking about that best way of organizing the files I receive.
20:09<abrotman>You let your friends put files on your network?
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20:10<wallzero>abrotman: If we are sharing media. Why do you ask?
20:11*abrotman doesn't let friends put things on his systems
20:11<abrotman>wallzero: anyway, you may want to look into some of the web-based file managers
20:12<wallzero>abrotman: Hmm. Different strokes.
20:12<abrotman>I also don't "share media".
20:12<wallzero>abrotman: Well thanks for your help.
20:13<abrotman>wallzero: the web-based is probably really the easiest if you don't want to use SMP or SSHFS
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20:13<abrotman>erm SMB
20:13<abrotman>CIFS, whatever they call it these days
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20:14<wallzero>abrotman: When moving files around with SMB there is network overhead.
20:14<abrotman>I'm aware ..
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20:16<wallzero>abrotman: I mentioned it in my initial question that I was trying to avoid SMB/SFTP, NFS would have the same issue.
20:16<abrotman>I know ..
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20:19<wallzero>abrotman: X-Fowarding a file explorer would be an interesting experiment, but isn't worth installing X11.
20:19<abrotman>You don't have to install all of X11
20:20<abrotman>dpkg: tell wallzero about sshx
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20:21<wallzero>abrotman: It requires X11 installed on the host, does it not?
20:22<abrotman>libx11 probably, not actual Xorg
20:22<abrotman>seems like an easy thing to try and clean up after, no?
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20:25<wallzero>Hmm. That may work. Another issue I hadn't thought of is the file explorers dependencies on X11 and other desktop utilities. PCManFM has quite a few.
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20:29<wallzero>abrotman: Thanks abrotman. It helps to get the thoughts out. I figure there isn't a way to cleanly install a file explorer without dragging in several dozen dependencies. Midnight Commander will do.
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21:38<menescau>how to redirect the connection port 80 to 10000 like: to ->
21:39<centrx>Use iptabls
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21:41<Eco>Would you realy want to redirect or just change the port to 10000
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21:57<nevyn>menescau: or a 302 redirect or haproxy or about a million other things
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23:10<guilherme>I would like t ask you a question about proxy. Is it a good idea? Are there any safe one that you can suggest me? How can I correctly set my Debian (sid) to be as safe as possible? Thanks
23:10<Merovoth>Use Tor.
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23:12<guilherme>tor is really slow, right?
23:12<Merovoth>No, it's the other way around.
23:12<Merovoth>Plus, proxies are up & down.
23:12<Merovoth>I was surprised by how good Tor is.
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23:16<guilherme>just aptitude install tor?
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23:17<stelicho>Hello all, I am having a hard time with firmware. I recently compiled the 3.13.3 kernel and had issues with missing drivers. So I reinstalled the whole system and the same issues carried over, even though I had wiped the drives. How do I find out which drivers I need and why they wouldn't be there even though I have succesfully used this install disc before?
23:17<Merovoth>Right, guilherme.
23:18<Merovoth>There are a few other details, though. How are you going to use it? For web-browsing, or other applications?
23:18<guilherme>Iat least in the begining
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23:19<Merovoth>You might not even need the aptitude package, for that, but go ahead and install that anyway. For browsing, you want the Tor-browser. I'll get the link.
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23:20<guilherme>I do not have the package Tor-browser
23:20<Merovoth>That won't be in your package manager. You have to download it, separately.
23:21<guilherme>uhm, but are there any package in apt-get? So it is easy to control
23:21<guilherme>ok, I will do that
23:21<Merovoth>I know what you mean, but the Tor-browswer is a breeze, compared to other 3rd party programs.
23:22<guilherme>Besides, any tips to be safe? I just want to protect my computer
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23:23<Merovoth>Basically, you just un-archive it into whatever directory you want, go into the new directory, and run the start-tor-browser link.
23:24<Merovoth>The browser is pretty self-explanatory. It's designed to be safe.
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23:25<guilherme>ok, it is working here, thanks
23:25<Merovoth>But, if you ever want to create a Tor circuit for other internet applications, then, you'll need the package manager version, which runs in the background. Setting up your applications is more technical.
23:25<guilherme>Do you use it as your main browser?
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23:27<Merovoth>In certain respects. But, it also helps to have certain websites be able to recognize your locale, so I would say that I still use the other for transactions, etc..
23:28<guilherme>I mean email, social networking, do you use tor? For internet banking, what should be safer?
23:28<Merovoth>Actually, the Tor browser is secure enough that I trust it for anything encrypted.
23:29<Merovoth>For banking, use your standard browser.
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23:29<guilherme>So email Tor is a good option, right?
23:29<Merovoth>There's a problem that occasionally arises. Because your IP address constantly cycles, you sometimes get your webpages in the wrong languages.
23:29<Merovoth>I use it that way.
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23:31<guilherme>ok, on the internet banking case, I would like to be regcognized, so the standard browser would be better, right?
23:31<Merovoth>Yes. I would assume that your bank provides secure web pages.
23:32<guilherme>ok, thanks a lot! Sory for botherin you with so many questions but I learned a lot :)
23:32<Merovoth>If you're from the U.S. and it looks like you're signing in from, say, Leningrad, then they could also hit you with lots of security questions. Major pain.
23:32<Merovoth>No problem, at all. Hope it helps.
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23:33<bugzee>what channel do I go to for support on compiling (debian amd64)
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23:34<bugzee>or if anyone knows anything about this: I need some help on it
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23:36<Infiltrator>bugzee: Try the channel or whatever you're trying to compile.
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23:40<bugzee>there's no one in #fvwm95
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23:49<Infiltrator>Well, I suppose that you could try pasting the full compilation output, including the command run.
23:49<Infiltrator>!tell bugzee -about pastebin
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23:49<bugzee>but I used pastebin
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23:50<Infiltrator>Sorry, I meant:
23:50<Infiltrator>!tell bugzee -about
23:50<bugzee>oh okay
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23:51<Infiltrator>At either rate, please post the full output.
23:51<gsimmons>bugzee: Development on fvwm95 was abandoned years ago, you probably would want to be using fvwm instead.
23:51<Infiltrator>Judging from what you've posted, the code is buggy.
23:51<bugzee>I don't even know what batstatmodule is
23:52<bugzee>searched for dev packages on the default debian repos
23:53<bugzee>ugh wait please, I need to get a terminal that supports copy/paste, I'm still stuck in xterm
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