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00:02<tarnea>im using ubuntu server in a VM
00:03<tarnea>I have provided 250 hard drive space, but only 48 is allotted, rest is free space. I want to merge the free space with the existing 48GB. As in ubuntu server there is no gui and no gparted, how can I do it?
00:03<tarnea>can some one help?
00:04<centrx>tarnea, Use "parted"
00:04<centrx>tarnea, gparted is just a front-end for parted
00:05<tarnea>centrx: ok, but I need to unmount / right?
00:05<tarnea>centrx: in a Virtual Server how to do that?
00:05<centrx>tarnea, You can boot up from another VM
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00:06<centrx>tarnea, You could even clone that very same VM HD, and use the clone to boot up from
00:06<centrx>tarnea, Then load the other one as just another device
00:06<tarnea>hmm just like live disk, i need to use a clone?
00:07<centrx>Clone is what it's called in Virtualbox at least
00:07<centrx>I didn't do it with a live running VM
00:07<centrx>This was just a VM on my local machine, I don't know what your set up is
00:08<tarnea>ok, I have a cloud based environment, not a Virtual Box
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00:11<centrx>tarnea, Yeah it would depend on how your service works
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00:11<centrx>tarnea, They might just do it for you if you ask
00:12<tarnea>centrx: ok, thanks
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00:12<tarnea>I ll look into in by taking a clone
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01:13<n0a>my computer just said it hates me
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01:17<centrx>n0a, What did you do to it?
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01:22<n0a>i accidentally clicked a microsoft add
01:22<centrx>That will do it
01:22<centrx>Also make sure you don't have any non-free software installed
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01:23<n0a>i have to mend the situation before it gets out of hand
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01:25<jm_>'apt-get install vrms' to the rescue
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01:30<Andrew343>Hi. Linux noob here. Can someone help me resolve an FTP set up issue?
01:30<Andrew343>I'm hoping it's something obvious :)
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01:32<jmcnaught>Andrew343: have you considered using SSH/SFTP instead? if you're already using SSH you might not even need any additional setup on the server
01:32<jm_>Andrew343: so what do the logs say?
01:33<Andrew343>Thanks for the reply! I would like to configure FTP to use with WordPress's theme/plugin autoinstaller
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01:34<Andrew343>@jm_, where can the relevant log be found? /var/log/vsftpd.log?
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01:38<jmcnaught>Andrew343: i am unfamiliar with vsftpd but /var/log would be where to look. if you can't see a specific vsftp file I would also check /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages
01:38<jmcnaught>Andrew343: also does the FTP client give a specific error message when it fails to connect?
01:39<jmcnaught>Andrew343: oops i missed the "503 Login Incorrect"
01:39<Andrew343>I've attempted to log in through console and through the ftp:// protocol of the browser. Console returns "530 Login Incorrect" and browser just returns the login prompt
01:39<jm_>Andrew343: looks like it only logs transfer related stuff
01:40<jmcnaught>Andrew343: is there anything relevant in /var/log/auth.log?
01:45<jm_>Andrew343: you should see stuff in auth.log if PAM is in use (it should be if local_users is enabled)
01:45<jm_>I mean local_enable
01:45<Andrew343>Hi. Yes, this is a long file
01:45<jm_>Andrew343: does this user have a valid shell?
01:45<jm_>just check the end of it
01:45<jm_>(after logging in with ftp)
01:46<jm_>that's not from vsftpd
01:46<Andrew343>That's the auth.log file
01:47<Andrew343>@jm_, how can I check if the user has a valid shell?
01:47<jm_>Andrew343: check if user's shell is in /etc/shell - you should see something like this in auth.log for vsftpd -- vsftpd: pam_unix(vsftpd:auth): ...
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01:49<jm_>/etc/shells sheesh
01:49<Andrew343>I was like, "where's /etc/shell?!"
01:50<fcrs>or just verify that you can login as that user through ssh or local console
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01:51<Andrew343>Here's the contents of shells:
01:51<jmcnaught>yeah, if the ftp user is "andrew" then the log you just pasted shows that the andrew user has a valid shell
01:51<Andrew343>I can log in with SSH for that user, yes
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01:51<jm_>well which shell does this user use? getent passwd andrew
01:53<jm_>so that's not it, do you see anything in auth.log when you log in?
01:53<Andrew343>With the andrew user or root?
01:53<Andrew343>(Andrew, I'd imagine lol)
01:53<Andrew343>Let me check, brb
01:53<jm_>yes, andrew
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01:57<jmcnaught>this command will show you the last 10 lines containing vsftp: "grep vsftp /var/log/auth.log | tail"
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01:58<jmcnaught>Andrew343: both pastes of auth.log are very short, is there any mention of vsftp in that file that isn't making it into the paste?
01:58<jm_>looks OK to me, PAM would only log stuff if it fails, do you see it if you intentionally use wrong password?
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01:58<tarnea>hi, I want to create a GUI based debian software, I need some buttons and a text editor. I have a POC in JS, how can i implement GUI in linux? Is there something like Applet or DotNet?
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01:59<jmcnaught>pam is logging successes for sshd and su, why not vsftpd?
02:00<tarnea>which language need I do it?
02:00<fcrs>i just checked my vsftpd setup, it's actually logging as "ftp" not "vsftp" in /var/log/vsftpd.log
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02:02<Andrew343>^ there's that grep, jmcnaught
02:02<jm_>so it was there all along!
02:02<jmcnaught>Andrew343: thanks these are the messages we've been looking for
02:02<jm_>pam_listfile(vsftpd:auth): Refused user andrew for service vsftpd
02:03<jm_>you said you removed this user from /etc/ftpusers - are you sure? you restarted vsftpd since then too?
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02:03<Andrew343>let me double check :)
02:06<Andrew343>Yes, confirmed.
02:07<Andrew343>Just to make sure I'm testing access correctly, I should be able to access ftp://(my server ip) through the browser, and be able to log in with the correct user/pass credentials, right?
02:07<jm_>pam module disagrees
02:07<Andrew343>and also through "ftp (server ip)" in console
02:07<tarnea>any one have any idea?
02:07<jmcnaught>Andrew343: if you don't figure it out, I would consider checking to see if the Wordpress auto-installer can use SSH to transfer files instead of FTP
02:08<jmcnaught>tarnea: i think you can write plugins for the KDE desktop in javascript, and also extentions of the Gnome desktop
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02:08<jmcnaught>tarnea: or you could learn Python and checkout PySide or PyGTK
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02:10<tarnea>jmcnaught: what about platform free, for kde, genome and xfce ?
02:10<Andrew343>Pastebin of ftpusers
02:11<tarnea>jmcnaught: some softwares like gedit are platform free right?
02:11<tarnea>how do develop those?
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02:11<jmcnaught>tarnea: it doesn't really matter. any desktop can run software from any other desktop. gedit is a gnome application actually, but it also works just fine in KDE, xfce4 etc
02:11<jm_>Andrew343: restart vsftpd to make sure
02:12<tarnea>ok, I think I better start with PyGTK
02:12<jmcnaught>tarnea: to make a GUI application you need to use one of several GUI toolkits. Qt and GTK are the most popular
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02:12<jmcnaught>tarnea: not a bad place to start :)
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02:13<Andrew343>Negative :( No luck
02:13<tarnea>I have a code with runs in web, i just wanted to go for a desktop app same as what it do.
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02:14<tarnea>jmcnaught: thank you so much
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02:14<Andrew343>@tarnea, what web language?
02:14<jmcnaught>Andrew343: maybe a silly question, but you're using the same password for "andrew" for both SSH and FTP right?
02:14<jm_>how are you restarting vsftpd?
02:15<tarnea>Andrew343: ^
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02:16<Andrew343>@jmcnaught, yes, the password I used to log into SSH is the same one I'm trying to use for FTP, if that's the question :)
02:17<Andrew343>@jm_, "sudo service vsftpd restart" and also tried "sudo service vsftpd stop; sudo service vsftpd start"
02:17<tarnea>this is the web application which I developed using javascript I want to make this under GPL3, so I think before that I better develop a .deb package
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02:19<maisapride>how can i add ruby on rails chat
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02:21<Andrew343>@jm: Am I testing logging in correctly? Through "ftp (server ip)" in console and also by accessing it using "ftp://(server ip)" in browser?
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02:23<jm_>Andrew343: I wonder why pam_listfile still says that; what happens if you try 'ftp localhost' on the system in question?
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02:24<Andrew343>It's prompting me for a name
02:24<jm_>Andrew343: well proceed as before
02:25<Andrew343>500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside chroot()
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02:25<jm_>Andrew343: that's your chroot_local_user option
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02:25<jm_>Andrew343: that's your chroot_local_user option
02:26<Andrew343>Should I modify it?
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02:26<jm_>that's up to you, but if you do, top level dir can't be writable
02:26<fcrs>you could not use chroot, or you could use this: allow_writeable_chroot=YES
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02:28<Andrew343>Let me add allow_writeable_chroot=YES to my vspdf.conf and try it
02:28<jm_>fcrs: where have you found this option? vsftpd in stable does not understand it
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02:29<jmcnaught>tarnea: that looks pretty cool. i bet that you could use javascript to make a virtual keyboard for either Gnome or KDE. you might need to use a different language to make something more portable (PyGTK or PySide would do)
02:30<Andrew343>I believe tarnea could do it in NodeJS then port it to debian
02:30<fcrs>sorry jm_ , you're right, that's not for the stable version
02:30<tarnea>jmcnaught: thank you, for those virtual keyboards how can i do it? does PyGTK, or something GUI development?
02:30<Andrew343>Okay, so I won't try that then fcrs/jm_
02:31<tarnea>I have no idea in Python so far, i knw a bit of Perl.
02:31<Andrew343>What affect does chroot_local_user have on my ability to log in to FTP?
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02:31<jm_>Andrew343: it doesn't allow it now because user's home dir is obviously writable
02:31<jm_>tarnea: there are perl gtk bindings too
02:32<jmcnaught>tarnea: there are perl bindings for GTK
02:33<tarnea>thank you guys, I need to find those and find the best which suits me.
02:33<tarnea>thanks for the options
02:34<tarnea>can I find similar sample source code somewhere?
02:34<fcrs>Andrew343: basically, if you need write permission you can't use the chroot_local_user option
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02:35<Andrew343>It works if I disable it :)
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02:35<Andrew343>I would need write permission though, I'd imagine
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02:36<jmcnaught>tarnea: you could look for virtual keyboards in apt, and use the command "apt-get source $packagename" to download the source package (it downloads to the current directory)
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02:38<Andrew343>jm_ and jmcnaught: the autoinstaller works :) Disabling chroot_local_user was the key
02:38<Andrew343>Thank you so much for your help! I really appreciate it :)
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02:38<jm_>no worries
02:38<Andrew343>Huge fan of this channel haha!
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02:38<jmcnaught>Andrew343: I'm glad :)
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02:38<Andrew343>(inspired to absorb as much linux as i can now)
02:39<Andrew343>(UX guy, not my strong point!)
02:39<jm_>i hope you won't get rooted using wordpress
02:40<Andrew343>sounds ominous. how can i avoid that?
02:41<jmcnaught>Andrew343: will others be using the wordpress auto-installer? hopefully the choose their themes and plugins wisely. it's also important to keep wordpress and all plugins up to date
02:41<Andrew343>Cool. Will look into it.
02:41<Andrew343>Thank you!
02:42<jmcnaught>Andrew343: you're welcome. and of course reading as much as you can about the various software you depend on, and understanding the configuration for each one especially how it applies to security. it's a constant battle
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02:52<Andrew343>Goodnight :) Thank you again jmcnaught/jm_
02:52<Andrew343>same person? haha
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03:13<FakeBoost>testing hello
03:13<FakeBoost>anybody here?
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03:15<linuxator>the windows opens aligned to the left in to get it aligned to the centre of screen?
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03:17<planetmaker>they open for me where they were upon logout...
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03:19<linuxator>planetmaker, so what's wrong?
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03:29<babilen>linuxator: They remember their layout IIRC, but you can resize them in the three ways I've shown you yesterday. I think that windows tend to open on the left by default and then fill the screen. It would be a fairly, well, suboptimal design decision to open windows in the middle of the screen as that would leave two comparatively useless areas to the left and right
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03:35<babilen>linuxator: Did you try the three layouts I've mentioned yesterday? Does that help? Would you be more interested in a different window manager? Perhaps a tiling one? There are also extensions for gnome-shell such as or that you might like
03:35<babilen>linuxator: I mean there really isn't much we can do if all you do is join this channel every morning to ask the same question :)
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04:19<beluga>used these instructions for setting up rsnapshot, but passwordless user gets password prompt when initializing ssh: what might be the cause?
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04:19<beluga>*afk for lunch*
04:20<jm_>the most common cause for ssh denying it is wrong permissions for ~/.ssh dir and files in there
04:21<jm_>and you're sure it's password prompt, not pass *phrase* prompt?
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04:42<FeriKe>Hi, Is Cinnamon compatible with Debian 7.4 without any risk?
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05:15<nocturnal>I can't get Defaults:username !requiretty to work in wheezy. anyone know how to use this feature correctly? Defaults !requiretty only seems to work in the main sudoers file without any :username added.
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05:26<beluga>jm_: I created the key without a passphrase (hit enter)
05:28<beluga>jm_: thanks, I'll change permissions
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05:49<beluga>jm_: I chowned the .ssh directory and authorized_keys in it to the backup user (on the source server), but it still asks for the password
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05:49<jm_>beluga: is key auth enabled in sshd?
05:53<beluga>jm_: RSAAuthentication yes PubkeyAuthentication yes #AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys <- could it be this commented out line? I'm using a dsa key btw.
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05:54<jm_>beluga: that's ok (it's the default), what permissions are set on the dir? did you check logs?
05:54<dpkg>ssh-copy-id is a utility to copy your <SSH> public key from your local machine to a remote machine, permitting key-authorised ssh connections to the remote machine. ssh-copy-id will copy the key to the right location and make sure the <ssh permissions> are right. You may want to edit your ~/.ssh/config to tell ssh to use this key. See also <debug sshd>.
05:55<jm_>beluga: also, did you copy it to the correct filename?
05:55<jm_>as noted above, there's a script to do it
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05:57<beluga>authorized_keys is the filename on the source server where the files to be backed up reside
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05:57<jm_>authorized_keys is put on the remote ssh machine where you ssh to
05:58<ectospasm>I've found ssh-copy-id doesn't handle nonstandard ports well
05:58<ectospasm>...or, at all
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06:01<beluga>jm_: yes the remote machine where I'm ssh'ing to. the .ssh folder belongs to the backup user and permissions are drwxr-xr-x
06:01<ectospasm>.ssh should be 700 permissions
06:01<beluga>using rsnapshot I have to run it inside the backup target machine
06:02<jm_>beluga: 700!
06:02<ectospasm>heh, mine are 770 O.O
06:02<jm_>ssh whines about this in logs IIRC (maybe I don't and it only prints it in debug mode)
06:03<beluga>I'll get to the logs soon :)
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06:03<beluga>thanks guys
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06:03<ectospasm>Oh, well, I've got .ssh symlinked to Private/ssh (ecryptfs volume), and ~/Private has 700 permissions
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06:05<jm_>no worries
06:07<beluga>found it! backup user was missing from sshd_config AllowUsers ! Thanks jm_ and ectospasm for your time!
06:08<beluga>no password prompt anymore.. now to try rsnapshot
06:09<ectospasm>rsnapshot ftw! I use it on my NAS to back up my workstation six times a day
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06:11<beluga>yeah I looked at several different solutions (including obnam and attic), but rsnapshot was the most simple for my case! still complicated for a first-timer, but hey what can you do :)
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06:12<jm_>looks similar to rdiff-backup
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06:18<Hicks_>beluga: what issue did you have with obnam? I run it here.
06:21<beluga>Hicks_: it's just that I'm using an Excito B3 for backup storage for now and it has rsync but not SFTP
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06:23<Hicks_>rsnapshot is pretty good, used it for quite some years with no issues.
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06:24<babilen>Hicks_: I don't like it as it doesn't cope well with missed backups (the waterfall principle for hourlies, dailies, weeklies, monthlies is simply broken in that regard)
06:24<babilen>Hicks_: How do you cope with that?
06:24<Hicks_>I have an anacron job setup that just runs every hour
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06:25<Hicks_>then every so often I'll run obnam forget which deleted generations according to how many hours, days, weeks I have setup to keep
06:25<Hicks_>should probably schedule that too
06:25<Hicks_>only issue I've hit with obnam is if a machine is suspended whilst it was doing a backup
06:25<Hicks_>the repo remains locked for that client and future backups after waking will fail
06:25<Hicks_>until you force-lock
06:26<Hicks_>so I've setup an inotify icon that sticks around with a nice error message to remind me to fix it. Doesn't happen often though.
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06:29<beluga>success! /usr/bin/rsnapshot daily: completed successfully
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06:29<babilen>Hicks_: What happens if you can't perform a backup with rsnapshot? How do you keep your, say, weeklies in order?
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06:30<babilen>Hicks_: Or do you use obnam for that? (sorry, just curious as I ran into this problem with rsnapshot in the past)
06:30<Hicks_>I can't remember with rsnapshot, years since I used it and iirc I ran it on an always on server so probably didn't really encounter that
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06:31<Hicks_>I switched to crashplan for a few years until I found obnam last year and have run that since
06:31<Hicks_>With obnam though, is the PC/laptop is off, there's just no backups for those hours
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06:31<Hicks_>but that's not a problem really, even if it was on and made backups, all but the last 5 hours will be deleted when I run obnam forget
06:32<Hicks_>I just keep one backup each day + last five hourlys and similar for weeks/months
06:32<ectospasm>I just let it filter out. If I'm having network problems or something and I miss some backups, then the daily, weekly, et. al will reflect that. But I've got enough versions that usually isn't a problem
06:32<Hicks_>yeah it'd be unlucky to do a lot of work during the hour the pc died and lose it
06:32<ectospasm>and I rarely need to delve into the backups to restore a file
06:33<Hicks_>usually anything I do within that hour window is easy to recreate
06:33<Hicks_>although when I copy photos off my camera, if it's not close to the hourly backup I'll occasionally run a manual backup just to get multiple copies
06:34*apachepost reading the discussion here over ssh earlier
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06:34<apachepost>Would a device that carries network connections over AC-power lines act as a firewall from the outside, in any way?
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06:35<babilen>ectospasm: I simply ran into the the problem that due to a network outage certain backups didn't made it into the waterfall which caused dailies to be replaced by an hourly when the later made it through ..
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06:35<SynrG>win 44
06:35<Hicks_>babilen: maybe rsnapshot works differently to obnam, can't recall since it was so long ago I used it
06:36<Hicks_>but with obnam a backup isn't an hourly or daily, it's just a backup (generation)
06:36<apachepost>I have an ssh host [not this machine] and i've forwarded the ports, no firewall that i can see in the router;
06:36<babilen>ectospasm: I simply dislike it that it is not explicit about timestamps and actually checks that backups it removes actually are "older than $TIME" rather than ... Oh, this is the k-th daily, so it can be deleted.
06:36<Hicks_>so any one generation can be mounted as a complete backup
06:36<apachepost>but it still acts fromt he outside like the whole network is firewalled
06:36<babilen>Hicks_: It's perfectly fine, I thought you had some additional information about it.
06:37<Hicks_>with obnam it can remove any generation at random without interferring with past/future generations
06:38<Hicks_>the only thing that makes something a daily, is that you tell keep when it does the generation delete 1 backup from each day if available
06:38<Hicks_>what scheduler are you using?
06:40<babilen>Hicks_: Yes, i am aware of liw's tool and like it. I simply removed rsnapshot from the "tools to use" as it acts irratically when it missed backups. I don't like tools that do that ;)
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07:41<zxd>hi where can I ask questions about debian packages
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07:51<awal>Hi :) I want change the language in my Debian to spanish. I do not want to change country and time zone. So I have to run 'export LANG=es_ES.UTF-8' and NO 'dpkg-reconfigure locales', right?
07:52<awal>I'm in Canada but i want my debian in spanish
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07:55<zxd_>jm_: like what does config.status.foobar means in rules file , I saw there is one for every different ver of the program with different --config options, how do I also specify which one I want to compile instead of all
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07:56<jm_>zxd_: it's for source packages that are used to build several binary packages IIRC
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07:57<zxd_>jm_: yes, but the question how to tell it to compile a specific binary package
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07:58<zxd_>per example in nginx debianized source there is light, full I want to add a new one of my own and compile only that
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07:59<jm_>zxd_: not sure on that, maybe someone else can say if it's possible
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08:01<Guest1467>I have a problem with booting my debian after installing libnss-ldap, can someone please help?
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08:03<Guest1467>Anyone there?
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08:06<Brigo>Guest1467, what kind of problem?
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08:07<Guest1467>So... I installed an slapd server on that same machine, filled the ldap with users and installed pgina on another windows machine - everything fine...
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08:07<Guest1467>now i wanted to authenticate against ldap on that debian-machine the ldap-server is also running on
08:08<Brigo>and the boot problem?
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08:09<Guest1467>so i installed libnss-ldap and nscd and now when booting i see my machine trying to connect to the ldap (not working)
08:09<Guest1467>and when x-server starts, i get a black screen and a clock as cursor
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08:10<Guest1467>so i now bootet into root console but i dont want to do something wrong when uninstalling those packages
08:10<Guest1467>because i also editet pam-ldap conf and so on
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08:11<Guest1467>I'm glad to got into the console with root, so now I want to get to the state before the installation
08:11<Brigo>i think the system are trying to autenthicate againt the ldap-server and failing.
08:12<jm_>try siomply removing pam_ldap from PAM config files in /etc/pam.d (make a backup first)
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08:13<Guest1467>there is no pam_ldap in pam.d
08:14<Brigo>sorry, go to go, bye
08:14<jm_>ahh sorry, it's libnss-ldap, not PAM
08:14<jm_>so is it mentioned in nss config then?
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08:15<Guest1467>i got libnss_ldap.conf & .secret and pam_ldap.conf & .secret in /etc/
08:16<Guest1467>additionally i got there the nsswitch.conf and the nscd.conf
08:16<jm_>how about nsswitch.conf?
08:16<Guest1467>those are the files i've editet
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08:16<jm_>yeah remove it from those
08:17<Guest1467>perhaps i should get the standard files somewhere in the net and edit my files in vim, that they're like they've been before
08:18<jm_>next time you edit such files take note to make a backup first
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08:27<Guest1467>I got it
08:27<Guest1467>apt-get --purge remove libnss-ldap libpam-ldap nscd
08:27<Guest1467>thats it
08:28<Guest1467>although thanks for help
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08:32<Stummi>why not just apt-get purge?
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09:00<james1234>Hello, I've a question if anyone can point me in the correct direction. I'm using Jessie with a pretty fresh install. Xserver doesn't start and no errors are in Xorg.0.log. Syslog is throwing an error about dbus. GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.Permissions Invalid the permission of the setuid helper is not correct. I've tried dpkg --configure -a and gotten nothing. Any thoughts on where to look next?
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09:14<petn-randall>james1234: jessie is supported in #debian-next, you can ask there.
09:15<james1234>Thank you very much. I'll ask there.
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09:27<detlion1643>I can't seem to make any settings with Xscreensaver and xfce-power-manager stick and/or work together. My laptop stays in screensaver or on until the battery is in critical % (5%) and then it hibernates. I have actions set for suspending on lid close (for ac and battery), brightness reduction after 60 seconds, and switching off displays at 5 minutes. Is there a better collection of programs to use for this?
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09:45<detlion1643>Ok, so I purged xfce4-power-manager, and tried to install gnome-power-manager but it can't install. Must have it installed already, but I can't seem to find it in my system, especially searching for "gnome", "power", "manager", etc in applications
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09:52<Maulkin>detlion1643: gnome-power-manager seems to provide /usr/bin/gnome-power-statistics
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09:54<Maulkin>detlion1643: The rest seems to be provided through the "settings" app of gnome
09:54<Maulkin>operatormplik: Do you have a Debian support question?
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10:13<detlion1643>is there any way to purge all xfce programs easily, instead of 1 by 1? I tried xfce and didn't care for it, I wonder if having that stuff (including it's settings) around is affecting the power stuff?
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10:14<Brigo>no, afaik
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10:16<Brigo>detlion1643, or you can use a script :-)
10:17<detlion1643>don't know how, so I'll probably skip that lol
10:17<Brigo>can you list the packages?
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10:18<detlion1643>I'm unsure, probably a lot of them small misc ones, whatever got installed when installing xfce4 through aptitiude
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10:20<Brigo>why do you want to purge them? you can remove it easely, but purge is only for delete configuration too.
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10:27<lostatwork>I usually make 2 pots a day on my days off
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10:29<Brigo>detlion1643, did you read me? :-)
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10:31<detlion1643>I saw in my application finder (running lxde if it matters), that some apps are categorized as xfce, xfce-settings, and such, i wasn't sure if that was affecting my original power manager/management questions.
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11:02<detlion1643>so I launched the gnome-settings-daemon (battery icon added to my tray) and ran the gnome-tweak-tool to set laptop lid to suspend on battery and ac, still hasn't suspended yet, been over 5 minutes... running LXDE on it.
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11:37<pauldumitriu>any ideas where i can find ximion ?
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11:39<eightyeight>how often does linux mdraid automatically check the raid?
11:39<eightyeight>s/ raid/ array/
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11:41<peter1139>On my system it defaulted to first Sunday of the month.
11:42<eightyeight>how did you get this info?
11:43<eightyeight>i'm looking all over /sys/devices/virtual/block/md*/ and /proc/sys/, without any luck
11:43<valdyn>57 0 * * 0
11:43<valdyn>eightyeight: that should be the default ^^
11:43<peter1139>Yes, /etc/cron.d/mdadm
11:43<eightyeight>ah. i see. yup.
11:43<eightyeight>there it is.
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11:44<eightyeight>i didn't think to look in cron (although it makes sense). figured there was some mdadm metadata triggering it
11:44<eightyeight>thx again
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11:49<nocturnal>does /dev/mem contain the motherboards BIOS content?
11:50<nocturnal>asking because the man for biosdecode says it reads /dev/mem by default
11:50<nocturnal>and it says it parses bios memory
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11:51<nocturnal>yes from that package
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11:58<pranith>Hi, the sound stopped working on my debian testing desktop after installing openvpn... is there any way I could debug this?
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11:58<valdyn>pranith: start by finding what else beside openvpn got installed or removed
11:58<pranith>valdyn, resolvconf... nothing else
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11:59<dpkg>petn-randall: vedi
11:59<valdyn>pranith: then your sound was broken by something else
11:59<valdyn>pranith: if not installing something or removing something, then you broke it
11:59<pranith>valdyn, hmm.. I did do a safe-upgrade... but nothing out of ordinary
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12:00<pranith>I did not mess with the audio... strange that it broke
12:00<DasRam>Popping back in for a few...begging for a quick do I determine the IP address of the QEMU VM on my local network?
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12:00<valdyn>pranith: nothing extraordinary is required to install a package that breaks your sound
12:00<valdyn>pranith: its defenitely not the openvpn package though
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12:01<valdyn>DasRam: you run ifconfig in that vm
12:01<pranith>valdyn, ok... need to see why it's not working then
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12:05<DasRam>ahhh, shtack...thanks Valdyn!
12:07<DasRam>I had tried that before but for some dumb reason I chose to look at the virbr0 addresses, rather than the eth0 inet address. Thanks again.
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12:27<ceed>hey guys
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12:28<ceed>I just tried to dist-upgrade to jessie, now my system is unbootable, because /dev/disks/by-uuid is empty in the initramfs and therefore the raid arrays fail to assemble
12:28<ceed>any hints?
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12:28<Maulkin>ceed: Try in #debain-next
12:29<ceed>Maulkin: thanks
12:29<ceed>figured that ;)
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13:23<detlion1643>anybody have experience with wine? I downloaded win from wheezy-backports and I get a file called Wine. When executed, it has text about providing information to download and install the 32-bit packages? is this normal behavior?
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13:29<vincent_c>detlion1643: yes
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13:29<vincent_c>you need to manually enable multiarch first
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14:22<etan>what room is this?
14:22<etan>Is Debian servers down now?
14:22<centrx>The champagne room?
14:22<etan>trying to get MINT and it is not working.
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14:22<centrx>Mint is not Debian
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14:23<centrx>etan, Try #linuxmint on Freenode
14:23<centrx>etan, Or get Debian
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15:08<fixed>how do i test wether my nvidia gforce card on my zenbook is consuming power? There is no need for this since my HD 4000 is enough for me some times.
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15:10<fixed>should i "| grep nvidia " or somthing?
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15:11<fixed>gforce is listed under device stats with 100% usage
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15:11<fixed>hmm... how can i turn the invidia card off?
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15:13<girth>errr i belive you can blacklist stuff from being loaded to the kernal on boot, but ill be honest i dont know enough about it
15:15<fixed>hmm.. yeah... me neither... i read about bomblebee earlyer but ... i cant figure it out
15:16<ompaul>fixed: bumblebee is not the way to turn it off ...
15:17<fixed>ompaul: ok... what could I do in stead? (i read about bomblebee on the debian wiki about the zenbook install actually ... maybe it is old)
15:17<ompaul>fixed: you either want / need it, and it is onboard, or you unplug it and it uses 0% power
15:17<fixed>physically unplug?
15:18<ompaul>if you can
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15:18<girth>yeah that _might_ stop it consuming power :)
15:18<fixed>yeah i like the idea but I dual boot to win to game sometimes
15:18<ompaul>fixed: you have the choice
15:18<fixed>hehe yeah! i could use a hammer ;)
15:18<ompaul>you do as you please
15:19<fixed>hehe yeah thanks :)
15:20<fixed>as far as i can read from other users all i save from using the bomblebee to disable power is 3,6 watts on avarage
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15:21<ompaul>fixed: check out the firmware for nvidia if you really want to leave it in place - that thing is for optimus afick
15:21<fixed>ompaul : why do you discurage the use of bomblebee?
15:22<ompaul>fixed: it is for one subset of nvidia and this is how you do it on debian
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15:24<ompaul>fixed: I think nvidia / ati are so bad they shouldn't be used ever but that is just me
15:25<fixed>ompaul: yeah... they really do not make it easy! the thing is I got a good deal on this laptop and also wanted a little gaming ... and now I'm stuck with the stupid thing ;)
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15:28<fixed>oh well... thanks for the input! i will bring out the hammer ;)
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15:29<fixed>if i get sick of the thing
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15:31<ompaul>fixed: bumblebee is only for one sub set of nvidia - you have not demonstrated that you have that card
15:32<fixed>no - but there is a guide on debian wiki regarding this specific laptop. so I assume it is the card the is working with bumblebee
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15:37<fixed>do you think it is wrong to assume that ompaul?
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15:42<ompaul>fixed: I think based on the information I have provided you know now you might have a look deeper at the model of nvidia and see if in fact it is one of those chip sets. I wonder where the harm is in that for you?
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15:43<blast007>fixed: there's even a #bumblebee channel on Freenode
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15:43<blast007>they may be able to help you identify if it's a supported chipset
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15:44<fixed>ompaul: no harm at all.
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15:44<fixed>Blast007: thanks ... i may check it out tomorrow . it is getting late here.
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15:45<ompaul>lspci would tell you in 5 seconds what it is
15:45<fixed>untill then i will enjoy the extra heat coming from the computer :)
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15:47<fixed>ompaul: thanks :) . dont worry I will look into it further. I work slowly. and my rule in life is "dont start any new research when the time is close to 22 ;) ... i miss type too much when tired. but tomorrow i have plenty time and then I will research and follow your advice. thanks again
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15:49<blast007>fixed: Debian Testing also has a packaged 'bbswitch-dkms' "Interface for toggling the power on NVIDIA Optimus video cards" - though you would need to upgrade to testing with all the usual caveats there (or you may be able to backport), and there's an important "precautionary measure" note on their git repo at
15:50<blast007>basically, on some machines it might make the screen stop working even after reboots or when accessing the BIOS ;)
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15:51<fixed>Blast007: thanks. well that is also worth the time :). and ok .... that does not sound good! Did you mean that bbswitch.dkms could cause the machine to totally malfunction?
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15:52<fixed>that sounds kinda spooky! :S
15:52<blast007>it could cause the screen to stop displaying anything and may require you to blindly access the BIOS to trigger a factory reset, it seems - I have not used it before, so I have no experience with it
15:53<fixed>ydrk :( that sounds creapy!
15:53<fixed>maybe I should just accept the little bit poorer batterylife and not mess with all that at all
15:54<fixed>thanks for the warning!!
15:54<fixed>I dont think that is a risk I am willing to take...
15:55<blast007>and note that's for the bbswitch thing, not necessary for bumblebee if you wanted to support switching between the two for better graphics performance
15:56<detlion1643>I tried to install a .deb file (steam). I got an "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libc6 (>= 2.15). When I searched libc6 in the wheezy-backports, I'm unsure on which to install? I have multiarch set up already, so there is : libc6, libc6:i386, libc6-amd64:i386, libc6dbg, etc
15:56<fixed>Blast007: well I am primarely researching this for better battery performance. the graphics performance from the HD 4000 i have is good enough
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15:58<blast007>detlion1643: the package you are trying to install won't work on Wheezy as it only has libc6 2.13, and backports won't fix that
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15:58<blast007>detlion1643: jessie (testing) has 2.17
15:58<fixed>firstly i will research the graphics card tomorrow. and then I'll ask around in #bumblebee - see what they have to say. I may just end up accepting the waste of power
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15:58<detlion1643>awww lol... now ponders if testing is worthwhile to go to
15:58<sney>if you're trying to use steam, it's your only real option atm
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15:59<detlion1643>is there a way to see the version numbers on packages while searching?
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16:02<girth>aptitude show $packagename
16:02<sney>apt-cache policy will also give you versions, and without descriptions
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16:05<blast007>aptitude versions $searchword may also work (Don't have a proper debian system to test on, but it works on Ubuntu)
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16:06<detlion1643>blast007: the versions command is great, lists versions for all the results that "search" would pull
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16:15<detlion1643>I think I'll be upgrading to testing... looks like it supports monodevelop 4.0.12 as well. Only question is: I had to add wheezy-backports and install firmware-linux-free for my usb wifi adapter to work. Would firmware-linux-free (so my wifi adapter would work) be available when installing the netinst of testing? I can't hook into ethernet atm... Or is this better asked in the debian-next channel?
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16:18<centrx>detlion1643, If you already have Debian installed, you can upgrade without the netinstall.
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16:18<centrx>detlion1643, You must mean firmware-linux-nonfree. That is in testing too.
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16:19<detlion1643>I already have kernel 3.* and 3.12 installed to choose from. Would this just add another higher kernel option then?
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16:19<detlion1643>centrx: no, not nonfree, the wifi adapter (netgear wna1000 n150) is supported in the 3.12 kernel
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16:20<centrx>detlion1643, Okay, you must have meant the backport of the kernel, not of the package firmware-linux-free
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16:21<centrx>detlion1643, The testing kernel is currently at 3.12. When the next kernel is migrated from unstable, you can choose upgrade to it in testing.
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16:24<detlion1643>but the packages in the testing build are packages that I'd like to get/use, and those versions aren't available in the backports.... so, if I understand right, the testing kernel is the same as the wheezy-backports kernel, but the testing build has updated/testing packages that aren't available in the current backports?
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16:25<centrx>detlion1643, wheezy-backports backports from testing, but relatively few packages are backported.
16:26<centrx>detlion1643, And those that are backported are delayed.
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16:47<tomv>hi. is k3d (amd64 sid) segfaulting immediately after start just for me or more generally?
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17:09<blast007>tomv: testing/unstable support is in #debian-next
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17:11<tomv>blast007: ah, sorry. thanks
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17:20<jefferson>when surfing the net, I'm having problems on all sites. The error complains that I'm an insecure connection, and certificates of sites expired. What do I do?
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17:20<sney>jefferson: check your clock
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17:25<jefferson>Muito obrigado... A data estava 2012
17:25<jefferson>Thank you ... The date was 2012
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19:17<DrZaius>Id like to list the dependencies of a package on jessie to check the versions on wheezy
19:17<DrZaius>is there a sane way to do this other than parse apt-cache show myself?
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19:18<petn-randall>DrZaius: apt-cache depends?
19:18<themill>(also, don't install packages from jessie on a wheezy system)
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19:20<petn-randall>Right, though I'm assuming he's interested in if the dependencies can be fulfilled in wheezy for a successful backport?
19:20<DrZaius>well... kinda
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19:21<themill>well the depends line in the jessie package isn't relevant to the backported package
19:21<DrZaius>is it not?
19:22<petn-randall>DrZaius: It's more important to see what depends the source package has.
19:22<DrZaius>I see...
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19:23<themill>DrZaius: /msg judd checkbackport $package
19:23<DrZaius>anyway.. i never backported anything... I was merely thinking on looking at the >= versions to check if just installing it would work
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19:24<themill>that would in principle work, it's just not a great plan for any non-trivial package
19:24<DrZaius>thats an useful bot.. is it available on the form of a binary? :>
19:25<themill>DrZaius: sort of. It is on my machine but not yet on anyone else's :þ
19:25<DrZaius>the package is tt-rss
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19:26<DrZaius>would it be worse to install from source instead of jessie?
19:26<DrZaius>apache shouldnt be a problem... but maybe php is
19:26<sney>source is a better plan than mixing binaries from different debian versions
19:27<DrZaius>and maybe migrate it when jessie is released
19:27<DrZaius>yeah, i guess thats what i will do then
19:28<dondelelcaro>DrZaius: if it's in jessie, just backport it
19:28<vincent_c>DrZaius: I'm running tt-rss just fine on a wheezy system, actually
19:28<vincent_c>fairly simple to backport; you also need to backport phpqrcode too, but that's it
19:28<dondelelcaro>DrZaius: it'll take the same amount of work to compile directly from source, and you'll have the advantage of easy upgrades in the future
19:28<themill>You also need to backport libjs-prototype
19:28<vincent_c>(and init-system-helpers, or drop dh-systemd)
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19:29<DrZaius>i have little to none idea of php :S
19:29<themill>vincent_c: dh-systemd is in wheezy-backports btw.
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19:29<vincent_c>themill: ack
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19:29<vincent_c>why would a backport of libjs-prototype be necessary for tt-rss?
19:29<themill>(judd will tell you if you need to use packages from backports)
19:30<themill>vincent_c: nfc, but the maintainer has added a versioned b-d to require it
19:30<chuxxsss>hi all
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19:31<vincent_c>oh, that wasn't there when I last backported tt-rss locally
19:31<DrZaius>nfc? b-d?
19:31<themill>DrZaius: "I don't know", "build-depends"
19:32<chuxxsss>Hard two problems on is I have been installing owncloud on my pi and I cannot access my harddrive unless I am root. the other problem is I set a static ip address of and I get
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19:32<vincent_c>anyways, uploading tt-rss backports is on my todo list (and a million other things as well...)
19:33<vincent_c>if other people may find it useful, I'll try to prioritize it
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19:33<vincent_c>chuxxsss: you're looking for #raspberrypi or #raspbian on freenode, not this channel
19:33<DrZaius>vincent_c: im running it on jessie right now, but im moving everything to another server and onto wheezy
19:34<DrZaius>vincent_c: I dont dare to backport it myself, but with some guidance i could try
19:34<chuxxsss>it uses wheezy doesn't not it
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19:36<vincent_c>DrZaius: take a look at and ask if you have any specific questions, I guess
19:36<vincent_c>!not debian
19:36<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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19:37<themill>hmm... you can run wheezy on a pi quite happily. Using an rpi doesn't mean it's not debian.
19:38<sney>yeah, armel... but there are no wheezy armel images in circulation that I know of, so vincent_c's interpretation is more likely
19:39<vincent_c>^ that
19:39<themill>oh, they've disappeared from the downloads now
19:40*themill wishes raspbian didn't call the release 'wheezy'.
19:40<Eco>In the netherlands you can order wheezy for pi.
19:40<DrZaius>well, im on the middle of a migration now... ill try and go from sources... upstream runs HEAD on his own deployment... what could go wrong
19:40<sney>Eco: yeah, it's raspbian, which is just a recompile by a DD... so it's really close
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19:40<vincent_c>Eco: that's raspbian
19:40<sney>it /should/ just be a port, imo
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19:41<Eco>okidoki, i learn everyday.
19:41<DrZaius>ill maybe look at the backport thingy when i end this
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19:41<vincent_c>sney: some of the packages in raspbian are modified from stock debian
19:41<themill>sney: there's lots of 'interesting' things in raspbian and it's not just a recompile
19:42<sney>there's a load of 'interesting' things in the image that distributes. but afaict plugwash didn't do anything tremendously weird with the straight raspbian stuff
19:43<sney>(the former image is a kludge of non-free and really questionable modifications)
19:43<vincent_c>I admire all of plugwash's work, but it's diverged quite a bit from debian by now (I'm talking about the images distributed by the rpi foundation, which most people would use)
19:43<sney>yeah. those are barely supported in #raspbian. we often tell people to stop using them
19:44<themill>sney: there's quite a few packages that have different versions in raspbian cf debian too
19:44*sney shrug
19:45<vincent_c>quite a large number of packages, in fact
19:45<sney>well, I haven't gone through the whole archive. but my pi running just raspbian behaves exactly like a (much slower) version of any debian stable machine I have. the only prominent differences are the ones required by the board itself. though I suppose I'm not really pushing the envelope using it as a wall display
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19:46<themill>(things like "completely different version of svn that is incompatible with other tools in the release" scare me somewhat)
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21:23<bl1nk>Hi all, is it possible to debootstrap from a rescue debian distribution to the ncurses Debian (default) installation?
21:23<sney>yes. that's pretty standard debootstrap
21:25<bl1nk>I cant find the option for the ncurses install.
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21:34<bl1nk>--debian-installer Used for internal purposes by the debian-installer
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21:45<lugal>I would like to install Wine tricks, which are listed on the debian homepage. but I cant find them in my repository. can anyone help?
21:47<oldlaptop>dpkg: tell lugal about contrib
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21:50<lugal>thanks, it worked :)
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21:54<the_stuntman>So this is going to be a bit of a noobish question but I didn't know where else to turn here. Me and my company just recently bought two new EU servers from a company we've never bought from. But the only version of debian OS they have available is a Debian 7.0 wheezy 64x minimal build that doesn't seem to want to run any of my pre-prepared bash scripts for provisioning our servers with its software.
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21:55<the_stuntman>is there any way I can install a new OS on the system remotely?
21:55<the_stuntman>without having to use the web interface control panel, since there prepared OS's aren't going to work for me and my situation
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21:57<FrostyBorg>im new to linux and debian
21:57<FrostyBorg>i was just wondering, what is the "program files" directory?
21:57<FrostyBorg>im trying to install firefox
21:57<the_stuntman>are you using a gui interface or a terminal interface
21:58<the_stuntman>since your trying to install firefox, more than likely its gui
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21:58<the_stuntman>are you running debian or ubuntu?
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21:58<FrostyBorg>im running debian
21:59<the_stuntman>I more run debian through a putty terminal remotely, so I'm really unsure where it would store its programs.
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21:59<FrostyBorg>when i unzip the package from the firefox website, it appears to be a folder with precompiled binaries
21:59<FrostyBorg>sort of like a portable installation
22:00<FrostyBorg>where should i put the binary files to "install" the program?
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22:02<bl1nk>FrostyBorg: You can use debootstrap
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22:05<FrostyBorg>nevermind i figured it out
22:05<FrostyBorg>its /usr/bin
22:05<the_stuntman>well if your going to build it yourself, you should read up on what bl1nk posted there
22:05<FrostyBorg>oh snap
22:06<FrostyBorg>thanks bl1nk
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22:06<FrostyBorg>why is iceweasel so slow?
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22:08<bl1nk>FrostyBorg: you are welcome. Take a look at this as well.
22:09<FrostyBorg>im amazed at how difficult it is just to install firefox
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22:10<the_stuntman>I would probably honestly start off with ubuntu if your wanting to get into linux and your new to to it. Its a little more friendly with its gui
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22:11<FrostyBorg>after learning about the spyware in ubuntu i decided to switch
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22:25<monoglets>how to forward to in the server?
22:25<monoglets>or better I want the contrary, and hide the port 10000
22:26<monoglets>some gentleman could help me?
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22:28<centrx>monoglets, What have you tried so far?
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