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00:00<somiaj>sugarpuff: or add a sid repo, apt-get install this one package, remove that repo.
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00:01<sugarpuff>somiaj: thanks. your personal recommendation? (i.e. what would you do?)
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00:01<centrx>Sounds like something that should be tried. Maybe complete distribution downgrades work now? :)
00:01<bones_was_here>if you're running testing or unstable, you need to be able to upgrade and downgrade certain packages and their deps to versions from other releases
00:02<us`0gb>Obviously back up your data before trying that though.
00:02<sugarpuff>somiaj: while waiting, am reading
00:02<bones_was_here>centrx: downgrading a whole distro will usually fail when libc is the wrong version for dpkg to function
00:02<somiaj>sugarpuff: probabaly the last one as it is simple and I wouldn't recommend having a permant sid source pinned lower while running testing. This is just sometimes useful to get a fix.
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00:02<us`0gb>bones_was_here: So downgrade dpkg, then the rest.
00:03<sugarpuff>somiaj: can i pin it, install, and remove the pin? following this: ?
00:03<centrx>Got it
00:04<centrx>Underlying backwards-incompatible upstream won't work for the base packages.
00:04<somiaj>sugarpuff: pinning just effects if you want to run an upgrade. If you are just adding the source to apt-get install one package, then removing it (and rerunning apt-get upgrade) pinning is an extra unneeded step
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00:05<sugarpuff>somiaj: ok, thank you, will give it a shot
00:05<sugarpuff>i figure others might find this info useful…
00:05<bones_was_here>us`0gb: when the older version of dpkg won't install because libc is too new? (can happen, then you have to boot from some other media)
00:05<somiaj>sugarpuff: if you wanted to always have a sid source (which I would not suggest) then you awnt to use pinning. The reason I woudln't suggest it, is it is rare that you want to install sid packages in testing
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00:06<somiaj>sugarpuff: the other option is /msg sid ssb, and build the package for testing. But this is overkill as the packages will most likely filter down anyways so you should be fine.
00:06<us`0gb>bones_was_here: No idea then. I'm on Stable, so I have it easy. Too easy.
00:07<somiaj>sugarpuff: and in general testing gets slow fixes (both bug and security). Sid gets faster fixes, but more untested and random bugs. I run sid on my desktop. If you care about security and stability, you should be running wheezy.
00:07<centrx>sugarpuff, Usually unstable packages install pretty well on testing without modification/building from source, unless it pulls in a mass of dependencies with versions from unstable.
00:08<sugarpuff>somiaj & centrx: so, just to recap: (1) add: "deb-src unstable main non-free contrib" to /etc/apt/sources.list (2) apt-get update (3) apt-get source openssl ?
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00:08<sugarpuff>(4) remove the line added in (1) ?
00:08<somiaj>sugarpuff: only if you want to build it. and you need a -b flag to tell apt to build the source, not just download it
00:09<centrx>sugarpuff, Yes, or for (3) see what apt-get install openssl wants to do
00:09<somiaj>sugarpuff: if you just want to isntall it (what I suggested) change (1) to a deb line (not deb-src), and (3) to apt-get install openssl
00:09<somiaj>sugarpuff: you also missed (5) run apt-get update again
00:09<sugarpuff>somiaj: but from what the others mentioned, it seems this fix isn't in binary form yet?
00:09<somiaj>what it is
00:09<somiaj>sugarpuff: oh are you on an unstandard arch?
00:09<sugarpuff>somiaj & centrx:
00:10<sugarpuff>somiaj: i am on jessie
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00:10<somiaj>sugarpuff: what arch?
00:10<ncl>he means cpu architecture
00:10<centrx>(4) and (5) are important or you'll end up accidentally installing a bunch of packages from unstable later
00:10<sugarpuff>somiaj: amd64
00:10<sugarpuff>centrx: noted, thanks
00:10<somiaj>,v openssl
00:10<judd>Package: openssl on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5; jessie: 1.0.1f-1; sid: 1.0.1f-1; experimental: 1.0.2~beta1-1
00:11<centrx>The package lists on the sites apparently aren't updated yet
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00:11<somiaj> shows sid has havnig the fixed version
00:11<somiaj>sugarpuff: the binary version is ready
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00:11<sugarpuff>somiaj: oh cool
00:12<sugarpuff>ok, i might write up a short post (thanking you guys if i do), about this, as i suspect you might get these questions again, and others might find it really useful
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00:15<somiaj>sugarpuff: seems some mirrors do not have the binary fix yet, so you'll have to wait
00:15<somiaj>sugarpuff: says amd64 has the fixed version though, so depending on the mirror you have, you may have to wait.
00:15<sugarpuff>somiaj: or i could build it, right?
00:15<somiaj>sugarpuff: correct
00:16<centrx>or switch mirrors
00:17<centrx> apparently installs as is
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00:18<sugarpuff>centrx: is that another option? not modifying sources.list and simply downloading and installing that?
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00:19<centrx>I haven't tried it myself
00:19<somiaj>if you care about security you probabaly shoulnd't be running testing. Also many suggest you do not do that because you could have a man in the middle attack give you a corrupt deb
00:19<sugarpuff>somiaj: doesn't matter, cause of gpg
00:19<somiaj>apt has a security check to verify package integurity
00:19<sugarpuff>so does dpkg i think
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00:19<sugarpuff>(or i can manually run some command to verify the signature)
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00:20<sugarpuff>will try with the sources.list first though
00:20<sugarpuff>i'm already on testing, so i have no choice
00:20<somiaj>sugarpuff: dpkg doesn't, it assumes if you have the .deb that you trust it.
00:20<sugarpuff>somiaj: .deb files are signed i believe
00:21<sugarpuff>(or at least they can be)
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00:21<somiaj>I have never ran across such a thing, but I don't always keep uptodate
00:21<yury>is wheezy getting g or a backport of the patch?
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00:22<somiaj>yury: wheezy gets its own security fix, 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5, and the fix has been availaibe via for already
00:23<sugarpuff>somiaj: hmm, now showing up: # apt-cache showsrc openssl | grep 1.0.1g
00:23<sugarpuff>doesn't show anything
00:23<thatguychuck>I just pulled the update to my machines a few hours ago.
00:23<somiaj>sugarpuff: apt-cache policy openssl
00:24<somiaj>sugarpuff: again depending on your mirrior it may not be there yet
00:24<sugarpuff>somiaj: am using
00:24<sugarpuff>and that command shows 1.0.1f-1
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00:24<yury>somiaj: thanks, and testing is getting g then?
00:25<ncl>Testing doesn't currently have an update
00:25<somiaj>yury: testing will get the fix once it filters down though sid (I thought 5-10 days was normal for this)
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00:25<yury>somiaj: thanks!
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00:25<sugarpuff>somiaj: how to find a mirror with it?
00:26<sugarpuff>so this has it:
00:27<sugarpuff>what's the URL for that for sources.list ?
00:27<peterS>well, you know, the usual, deb wheezy/updates main
00:27<sugarpuff>peterS: i need it for testing
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00:28<peterS>oh - use the one for unstable. deb sid main
00:29<centrx>Binary: openssl, libssl1.0.0, libcrypto1.0.0-udeb, libssl-dev, libssl-doc, libssl1.0.0-dbg
00:29<sugarpuff>peterS: will try now...
00:29<sugarpuff>peterS: still showing 1.0.1f :(
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00:30<peterS>oh try deb sid main
00:30<centrx>yeah it's definitely there
00:30<peterS>the one is handy but not quite as guaranteed to be up to date
00:30<sugarpuff>apt-get update...
00:31<sugarpuff>peterS: woo hoo! that has it! :D
00:31<sugarpuff>thanks! will try binary first..
00:31<peterS>or really 'wget' and then dpkg -i that
00:31<peterS>if you want to save the hassle of apt-get update and the like
00:32<sugarpuff>that's the vulnerable version
00:32<peterS>eh, bah ... I got the same problem, quoting a not-up-to-date source
00:32<sugarpuff>1.0.1g is what i want
00:32<peterS>yeah, s/1f/1g/
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00:33<sugarpuff>peterS: looking at this, it looks like there are other packages i'd need to install, so maybe 'apt-get source -b openssl' is better?
00:33<thatguychuck>Has anyone compiled their own backport of the nvidia drivers from testing to install on stable?
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00:34<peterS>sugarpuff: eh, no, libssl1.0.0 doesn't have any dependencies on anything that isn't in testing
00:34<somiaj>sugarpuff: can you give us a list of the packages it wants to install from sid?
00:34<peterS>at least, looking at the Depends: line, I don't see anything very recent
00:34<somiaj>sugarpuff: upgrading the openssl package will have a few more depends than just the libssl1.0.0 package
00:34<peterS>indeed the most cutting-edge thing I see in there is multiarch-support, and that's in wheezy
00:35<somiaj>thatguychuck: I've done it a long time ago, not recentally, why do you need a newer nvidia driver?
00:35<somiaj>,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
00:35<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.88-1+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates/non-free: 304.117-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 319.82-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 331.49-1; sid/non-free: 331.49-1
00:35<sugarpuff>somiaj: i think this should have it:
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00:35<thatguychuck>The current backport of nvidia failed to build against the backport of 3.13
00:35<sugarpuff>i think this is it? "openssl libssl1.0.0 libcrypto1.0.0-udeb libssl-dev"
00:36<somiaj>thatguychuck: the version in wheezy-backports isn't to far behind the one in testing right now
00:36<peterS>yeah there's really no need to upgrade 'openssl', just 'libssl1.0.0'
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00:36<thatguychuck>I followed the simple backport creation guide and have a hanfull of deb files, but I am unsure of what order to install them.
00:36<somiaj>the whole source package got upgraded, so all the binary packages form that source as a result sugarpuff
00:36<frf>so this is awesome
00:36<frf>i was under the assumption that #freenode was the only debian server
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00:37<peterS>eh, #freenode is a channel, not a server
00:37<somiaj>thatguychuck: you have way more than you will possibally need. But first what is wrong with the version in wheezy-backports? second do you use multiarch? If so you need to backport both the amd64 and i386 packages.
00:37<peterS>and it's not on this network (:
00:37<somiaj>frf: debian moved its offical irc network to oftc years ago.
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00:38<peterS>yeah, 10 years ago irc.debian.ort did point to freenode. but not anymore.
00:38<thatguychuck>Ah, yes I'll have to compile some i386 versions as well. The module failed to build on the 3.13 backport for me.
00:39<sugarpuff>building… this is going to take a while ..
00:39<somiaj>thatguychuck: I have had others have that problem
00:40<somiaj>thatguychuck: perosnally I suggest you just go back to the 3.12 kernel
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00:41<thatguychuck>That's what I am on now. And I agree. I'll just wait it out. I think my card is old enough that it won't benefit anyway, and I don't really have a need to run 3.13.
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00:42<ljsoftnet>is there an easy way to control CPU fan speed
00:43<foreverska>rapidly unplug and plug it back in?
00:43<somiaj>ljsoftnet: any reason you want to? Most mobos should be doing that themselves based on current heat of the cpu
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00:44<peterS>maybe he's really asking to control the thermal use of the CPU, i.e., clock speed governor settings
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00:44<ljsoftnet>somiaj its noisy, im not doing any CPU intensive work loads though
00:45<somiaj>ljsoftnet: looks like there is a package called thinkfan, personally I suggest getting a better cpufan
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00:46<ljsoftnet>somiaj thinkfan has a gui rigth? yeah maybe getting a better fan is a good idea, im running on a stock AMD CPU fan
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00:47<somiaj>ljsoftnet: my stock fan is quite and doesn't bother me. I have no clue, I haven't ever used that before I just foudn the package with 'apt-cache search cpu fan'
00:47<jm_>ljsoftnet: I joined too late, is this a desktop system?
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00:48<peterS>it does seem like what you need is to govern the CPU frequency, and the fan will then take care of itself, as it were
00:48<ljsoftnet>jm_ yes
00:48<peterS>but from the package description, thinkfan seems promising also
00:48<jm_>ljsoftnet: if so and if fan speed control works, then fancontrol package is simple and effective
00:49<somiaj>and yes I like peterS suggestion of governing the cpu frequency.
00:49<somiaj>be far worse to hurt your cpu cause you make the fan low due to noise.
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00:50<peterS>somiaj: though I believe modern CPUs have failsafe temperature monitoring that throttles or shuts them down automatically if the temp gets too out of control
00:51<somiaj>peterS: wouldn't that be the MOBO doing that, but yes, the days of watching videos of cpus catch on fire may not be as common
00:51<peterS>somiaj: I believe this feature is on the CPU die itself. at least modern Intel, and I have to assume AMD kept up
00:52<somiaj>ahh nice
00:52<thatguychuck>You may want to check your BIOS as well, you may have some sort of smart fan section in there.
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00:53<Schnabeltier>i managed to install a chrooted version of debian squeeze on my synology ds213j, which folders do i need to mount -t/bind -o to the chrooted enviroment to gain the most access to the hardware? dev, proc and sys?
00:53<peterS>another good point, many bioses have multiple fan settings ('full speed all the time', 'efficiency', 'low power'...)
00:54<jm_>Schnabeltier: why not use a tool like schroot?
00:54<peterS>Schnabeltier: yeah, /dev /proc and /sys. And if you need to run terminal type software, /dev/pts
00:54<sugarpuff>wait, so, after running "apt-get source -b openssl", it seems openssl still isn't at version 1.0.1g, based on the output of # openssl version
00:54<sugarpuff>am i missing a step?
00:54<bones_was_here>modern cpu cores can power down when they're idle or overheating, so overheating will destroy performance as the cpu is spending most of its cycles turned off (kernel logs messages when this happens)
00:54<sugarpuff>it finished compiling, and seemed fine
00:55<peterS>sugarpuff: maybe you forgot to check 'apt-cache showsrc' to make sure you were going to actually download 1.0.1g
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00:55<peterS>sugarpuff: I mean if your 'deb-src' sources.list line wasn't pointing to a site with the latest unstable....
00:55<Schnabeltier>jm_ cause i didn´t know shroot bevore
00:56<sugarpuff>that's the end of the output
00:56<somiaj>sugarpuff: you have to manually isntall the packages it built
00:56<somiaj>sugarpuff: and as peterS said could be of a lower version. ls, they should be in your cwd
00:56<sugarpuff>somiaj: what's the command, is it: dpkg-source --after-build openssl-1.0.1g
00:56<somiaj>sugarpuff: no just dpkg -i foo1.deb foo2.deb
00:56<sugarpuff>oh snap, heh, you're right
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00:57<peterS>'oh snap' is a pretty good description of this whole openssl thing, isn't it
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00:57<sugarpuff>what's a *.udeb ?
00:57<peterS>ignore the .udeb
00:57<somiaj>haven't seen a security issue get this much attention in a while.
00:57<peterS>that's for putting in debian-installer, i.e., an install CD
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00:58<jm_>Schnabeltier: it's really simple to use, but yeah, you can also do it manually as explained a bit earlier
00:58<rjsalts>debian openssl entropy bug?
00:58<peterS>'udeb' is really a friendlier way to spell 'µdeb' i.e., 'micro-deb'. a normal .deb file that, for space reasons (on the install media), is missing things like /usr/share/doc
00:59<peterS>rjsalts: not sure if that got this much attention because (a) it was vendor specific whereas this one is internet-wide, and (b) it only affected generated keys like ssh keys or self-signed certificates - and self-signed certificates are really easy to replace compared to CA-signed certificates
00:59<sugarpuff>peterS: so… what's the deal with libcrypto1.0.0-udeb_1.0.1g-1_amd64.udeb ?
01:00<sugarpuff>i installed the rest, `openssl version` shows the right number (yay! :D), but am unsure about that file
01:00<peterS>sugarpuff: I told you. it's what you put in an install CD image so the installer can use openssl libraries. it's not something you care about for normal debian use
01:00<rjsalts>peterS: it affected CA signed cert if the private key was generated on debian host at the time
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01:00<sugarpuff>peterS: ok, thanks
01:01<peterS>rjsalts: ah yeah, you're right. still, it didn't affect every single machine that _used_ a certificate, just the machine that _generated_ it
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01:02<peterS>rjsalts: I dunno, I haven't been looking around the internets today to see how much attention this is getting outside debian - but I'm guessing a _lot_. openssl is everywhere
01:03<Schnabeltier>nah jm_ i don´t like schroot, cause it´s designed for chroot-enviroment hopping... and it´s one programm less i need to configure :P
01:03<peterS>(though the insidious places like embedded copies in router firmware, are not so likely to be new enough to be hit by this bug)
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01:04<rjsalts>exim in debian is safe though, it's using gnutls
01:04<sugarpuff>ah, one more thing though, i need to relink nginx against this new library, how to do?
01:04<peterS>a good point. a lot of software in debian does use gnutls ... but a lot doesn't
01:05<peterS>sugarpuff: no need. just restart the service
01:05<sugarpuff>peterS: i did
01:05<peterS>then you're fine
01:05<rjsalts>debian-goodies has checkrestart in it
01:05<sugarpuff>peterS: this says i'm not:
01:05<rjsalts>it would be a good idea to restart any processes that checkrestart says are using old libraries
01:05<peterS>sugarpuff: oh? what did you restart?
01:06<sugarpuff>peterS: i did "systemctl restart nginx.service" and am getting: ext 00015 (heartbeat, length=1) <-- Your server supports heartbeat. Are you linking against OpenSSL 1.0.1g or newer?
01:06<peterS>sugarpuff: that's a question, not a statement. It doesn't say you're vulnerable.
01:07<sugarpuff>… grumble…
01:07<rjsalts>sugarpuff: it's just checking for the extension
01:07<somiaj>looks like it is only checking for heartbeat support, and can't tell the version of ssl you are using.
01:07<sugarpuff>you guys are right...
01:07<sugarpuff>need to find something that actually checks it
01:07<somiaj>sugarpuff: and in the future don't use debian testing (or even unstable) for a server. (:
01:08<sugarpuff>somiaj: heh, k. how to do that?
01:08<sugarpuff>(now that i'm on testing)
01:08<rjsalts>sugarpuff: is what you want
01:08<sugarpuff>rjsalts: ah thanks!
01:08<Schnabeltier>jm_ and schroot isn´t available for my ds213j, if it would, i tould take it, cause it doesn´t seem to be this unhandy on second sight...
01:08<sugarpuff>was looking for that
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01:09<sugarpuff>woo hoo!!!
01:09<somiaj>sugarpuff: backup data, reinstall
01:09<sugarpuff>thanks very mcuh somiaj, rjsalts, centrx and peterS!
01:10<sugarpuff>somiaj: eh, i was afraid you'd say that :P
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01:49<Thorgrin>hi guys, just a guick question. SSH server key (/etc/ssh/, where is the root@host used? Is it necessary to change it together with hostname?
01:50<nocturnal>I've changed hostnames many times and forgotten that file.
01:50<nocturnal>so I don't think it's a problem
01:51<nocturnal>that field in the key is just a comment field
01:51<nocturnal>you can write anything there
01:51<Thorgrin>I thought so
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01:51<Thorgrin>I just saw it in multiple guides so I got a little worried
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01:56<M4ver1k>Hey guys
01:57<M4ver1k>I just added a total of 8GB of RAM to my box, and it now is unable to obtain DHCP address?
01:58<M4ver1k>mii-tools show that it autonegotiated correctly and thinks the link is working fine. When I statically give it an address it still fails to ping my default gw or any other box on my network
01:58<nocturnal>it's more likely that you ruined your motherboard/NIC with a static charge than the actual amount 8G causing this. I would try taking the new RAM out again to see if the issue persists.
01:59<jm_>clearly your box doesn't like having you both - 8G of RAM or networking
01:59<M4ver1k>Well, the LED lights up on the back of the port.
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01:59<M4ver1k>And it does show both RX/TX packets
01:59<M4ver1k>No errors
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02:00<nocturnal>we're assuming you did no other configuration changes here than the added 8G of RAM. so revert that change and see what the results are.
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02:01<M4ver1k>Fair enough.
02:01<M4ver1k>I'm on it.
02:01<jm_>does it also show correct speed? duplex? use ethtool for modern drivers
02:02<M4ver1k>It does show autonegotiated to 100BaseT @ Full Duplex, which is my router speed.
02:02<M4ver1k>I'm unable to download ethtool because no connectivity.
02:02<jm_>how are you IRC-ing then?
02:02<M4ver1k>Second computer.
02:03<jm_>well download it there - and can you ping this second computer instead of the gateway?
02:03<James> debian finally fixed the apt bullshit
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02:03<nocturnal>what was that?
02:03<M4ver1k>The machine isn't able to ping this one.
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02:04<M4ver1k>It still shows TX/RX incrementing though.
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02:04<M4ver1k>Oh wtf
02:04<jm_>then describe your networking setup
02:04<M4ver1k>I just started a tcpdump and it shows link-type is EN10MB?
02:05<nocturnal>tcpdump always says that
02:05<jm_>ignore that
02:05<M4ver1k>Oh, then I'm retarded. Excellent.
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02:05<nocturnal>well I don't know if it always says it but you can ignore it like jm_ said
02:06<M4ver1k>It's ok, I can still be retarded.
02:06<M4ver1k>Thanks for the help btw guys.
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02:10<dekcah>I have a quick question about dual booting. I need to install windows 8 on a partition on my laptop, but I already have Debian up and running. Is there any measures I should take before installing windows other than backing up important data?
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02:10<jm_>dekcah: no, it will overwrite mbr so you will have to fix that later
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02:11<dekcah>jm_, If I have a grub boot usb and can boot into debian it should just require a quick 'update-grub' or something along the lines correct?
02:12<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI!
02:12<jm_>dekcah: ^^^^
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02:13<dekcah>Alright so like I thought. Thanks a lot jm_ you really took a worry off my shoulders!
02:13<jm_>dekcah: no worries
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02:15<t12345>so, debian names all its releases after toy story characters, right? what happens when all the names have been used? will debian start adding numbers (ie, jessie 2, wheezy 2, etc)?
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02:18*nocturnal had no idea where the names came from
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02:18<centrx>t12345, Who knows. There are a lot of Toy Story characters and movies
02:19<M4ver1k>Ok guys
02:19<M4ver1k>I'm really confused.
02:19<M4ver1k>I just managed to DHCP an address, but I still can't talk to anything?
02:19<nocturnal>did you remove the new RAM?
02:20<M4ver1k>No. I was running BIOS tests
02:20<centrx>t12345, There are five unused ones in Toy Story 3 alone
02:20<M4ver1k>It detects the router in the BIOS.
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02:21<centrx>t12345, and that's just from the main ones. They could start digging into all sorts of side characters
02:22<nocturnal>or start using words like shovel, and sunshine. it wouldn't matter to me
02:22<centrx>Next release is going to be either Debian Zurg or Debian Stinky
02:22<centrx>hah Debian Sunshine
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02:37<M4ver1k>I didn't put back in the old RAM, but I dropped down to 2GB, and it works.
02:37<M4ver1k>So, maybe one of my RAM sticks is bad.
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02:39<jm_>possibly, but it would be rather strange it only affects networking
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02:41<M4ver1k>Networking keeps getting put on the bad stick?
02:41<M4ver1k>Yeah, I dunno
02:41<M4ver1k>I've put them all in and changed the order they were sitting
02:41<M4ver1k>going to retest
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02:43<M4ver1k>Can DHCP, can't ping again.
02:43<M4ver1k>Going to remove them 1 @ a time at this point.
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02:45<M4ver1k>FYI, I've got 4x 2GB sticks. I dropped down to 6, no go. Got DHCP, can't ping.
02:45<M4ver1k>Dropping down to 4
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02:46<M4ver1k>Hrm, @ 4GB still no go.
02:47<M4ver1k>All that leaves me with is the 2GB stick that did work.
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02:51<M4ver1k>Ok, no clue.
02:51<M4ver1k>It appears that any combination of RAM will work, provided that combination is a single stick. No more than 2GB.
02:51<M4ver1k>I just double checked and made sure I'm running 64-bit OS to ensure I'm not insane.
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02:54<M4ver1k>My initial RAM amount was 2GB before the upgrade to 8GB. Is there a setting somewhere in the OS that I have to change to maybe get it to work with more RAM?
02:55<M4ver1k>I mean, the BIOS detects all 8, and so does the operating system. Just networking doesn't work. There's probably other components that don't work as well, I just don't know what they are.
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02:59<jm_>I can only say I don't find it unusual you have issues like this, however I highly doubt it's only networking that has issues
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02:59<maxy>M4ver1k: A booteable memtest86+ might be useful
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03:00<M4ver1k>Yeah, I'm sure networking isn't the only thing affected, but most of my other services run over networking anyways so I can only speculate as to what else is screwed up.
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03:00<maxy>Also, check the memory specs some motherboards go bananas if you mix different kinds of memories.
03:00<M4ver1k>maxy: Yeah. They're the same type of memory though.
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03:01<M4ver1k>I have 2x sets of 2x2GB DIMMS. So I can pair them up alone and it still fails.
03:01<M4ver1k>But any single stick works fine.
03:01<M4ver1k>The sets are supposed to be the same speed anyways, but I bought them at separate times.
03:02<M4ver1k>They were all working in a different PC simultaneously.
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03:07<rostam>For an embedded system running debian which can not access debian package respository. However we are able to download packages manually through a private network. Once a while I need to update some of the packages with their dependencies. How could I achieve this goal? thx
03:07<maxy>Also, dust in the connectors is a common source of hardware issues. From time to time you'll see a twisted pin.
03:07<jm_>rostam: have you looked at apt-zip?
03:08<rostam>jm_ no thanks for hint I will google it now. thx
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03:09<maxy>rostam: a partial local mirror can be useful too.
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03:09<M4ver1k>maxy: I vacuumed it out while I was troubleshooting. Didn't see anything out of place otherwise.
03:10<rostam>maxy How could I create a partial local mirror ? thx
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03:13<maxy>apt-cache-ng could be useful for you
03:13<rostam>maxy thanks
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03:20<M4ver1k>Ok. Closure, of some type.
03:21<M4ver1k>I booted into the install cd and went into rescue mode, it doesn't work there either.
03:21<M4ver1k>All I can guess is that there's some really bizarre incompatibility.
03:21<M4ver1k>I can DHCP an address, but can't talk to shit.
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03:39<knives47z>does anyone know how to repair my samba? I can't restart the service because it says it can't find I've purged the package, reinstalled it, still doesn't work.
03:40<ljsoftnet>does debian support ARM Cortex architecture?
03:40<jm_>knives47z: are you using debian?
03:41<themill>knives47z: precisely which package did you purge and reinstall?
03:41<nevyn>ljsoftnet: which one?
03:41<knives47z>jm_ well I believe Kali is debian.. or at least is heavily based off of it
03:41<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
03:42<ljsoftnet>nevyn i think the A9 processor
03:42<themill>knives47z: sounds like you've reinstalled the wrong package (and you want #kali-linux on
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03:42<knives47z>oh okay. I thought that they were virtually the same thing. Thanks guys! at least it's a step in the right direction
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03:44<nevyn>ljsoftnet: you want this page:
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03:46<ljsoftnet>nevyn i didn't see where i can download the iso for debian
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03:47<ljsoftnet>nevyn ok thanks man
03:48<nevyn>but don't do that
03:48<ljsoftnet>nevyn ?
03:48<nevyn>read this page
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03:49<ljsoftnet>nevyn and then?
03:50<nevyn>do something appropriate.
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03:50<nevyn>like use the local mirror or bittorrent or whatever
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03:53<themill>Do you actually have an arm device that boots off cd?
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04:40<bytebrain>Hello, does anyone have a sollution on for Debian Wheezy? OpenSSL is exploitable with the version on Wheezy (OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013)
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04:41<bytebrain>OpenSSL 1.0.1 through 1.0.1f (inclusive) are vulnerable, OpenSSL 1.0.1g is NOT vulnerable. Bug was introduced to OpenSSL in December 2011 and has been out in the wild since OpenSSL release 1.0.1 on 14th of March 2012. OpenSSL 1.0.1g released on 7th of April 2014 fixes the bug.
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04:42<OdyX>bytebrain: upgrade your libssl to security, restart all affected services using the one-liner as a check, renew and revoke your certificates as appropriate.
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04:44<firechariot>can an individual suggest info for packaging an edition of the Debian Operating System?
04:45<dpkg>Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>.
04:45<jm_>firechariot ^^^^^
04:45<bytebrain>OdyX: thx
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04:46<firechariot>actually, I am curious context to how to package the Operating System itself
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04:47<firechariot>I have implemented slight alterations to mine
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04:53<bytebrain>I'm not getting the latest version, I've updated apt-get, but I'm keep getting this: E: Unable to locate package openssl-1.0.1e-2+deb7u5
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04:53<bytebrain>in sources.lst: deb wheezy/updates main
04:53<bytebrain>deb-src wheezy/updates main
04:53<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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04:59<bytebrain>Here's my output: I think there is no AMD version yet?
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05:00<jm_>apt-get install openssl or simply use apt-get upgrade
05:01<jm_>although Installed: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 so you already have it
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05:02<jm_>and congratulations on providing all the info in one go, 95% of people don't provide everything the factoid mentions
05:02<bytebrain>wow, I'm blind!
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05:02<jm_>no problem
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05:55<Pascal_1>i've got very often a problem on debian sid. Sometime the system freeze completely and the only solution is to rebbot. Before reboot i can see in dmesg this error message : [drm:i915_hangcheck_elapsed] *ERROR* Hangcheck timer elapsed... render ring idle. Does someone could help me to solve this problem ?
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05:58<stderr_dk>Pascal_1: With unstable, you're often on your own, but you could try #debian-next
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06:14<gcSpitfire>hi there. am i doing something wrong? i still just see openssl 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4 although i poll
06:14<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
06:15<gcSpitfire>k, thanks
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06:18<ompaul>For the stable distribution (wheezy), this problem has been fixed in version 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5.
06:19<ompaul>gcSpitfire: you might like to subscribe to the list
06:19<jm_>I think gcSpitfire is aware of the version, but apt doesn't see it
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06:21<ompaul>jm_: ahh maybe an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade is the resolution of that
06:21<jm_>ompaul: yeah most likely something simple like that
06:21<ompaul>jm_: silly me not reading 4 and 5 as different numbers ;-)
06:21<jm_>information on pastebin shall clarify it
06:22<gcSpitfire>i checked 'apt-cache policy openssl libssl1.0.0' and now it says i installed the latest
06:22<gcSpitfire>sorry, things like that make me pretty nervous :)
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06:26<gcSpitfire>everything's fine now
06:26<gcSpitfire>thanks for your time :)
06:27<jm_>no problem
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06:40<War0n>Hi, im facing some difficulties getting theme extension to work, anyone able to help me with that?
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06:41<supaman>War0n: thats to vague, be more specific
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06:44<War0n>when i open the gnome-tweaker app, and go to "theme" tab. a orange triangle with a ! tells me "could not list shell extensions"
06:45<War0n>tried googling , but no luck
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06:49<SynrG>War0n: uh. gnome-tweaker app? which release of Debian is this?
06:49<SynrG>oh, gnome-tweak-tool?
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06:50<SynrG>War0n: do you have gnome-shell-extensions installed?
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06:54<War0n>Yes, that
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06:54<War0n>Yes i do SynrG. I thought that might have been the problem. But i have it
06:54<SynrG>i no longer remember what i had to do on wheezy for theme extension ...
06:55<War0n>It's pretty strange
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06:56<SynrG>i thought it was just: gnome-shell-extensions, gnome-tweak-tool to enable. profit.
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06:57<War0n>found it
06:57<War0n>I needed that
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06:59<supaman>hmmm, is that a missing dependency?
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07:17<caravel>hi there - on Wheezy I'd like to use grub crypto to load /boot from the encrypted rootfs, while I understand the Wheezy version of grub programs doesn't support this as yet
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07:21<caravel>So my question is, how should I do it? Right now, I'm under the installer and as I was _not_ expecting, grub failed to install (I was expecting it to succeed installing, then at reboot, to fail loading, hence the need to re-install/configure)
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07:21<caravel>So grub-install fails to install to the GPT BBP, and that makes me wonder if I have another, distinct issue
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07:22*caravel will much appreciate any guidance/hint, thanks
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07:23<caravel>Hmm, forgot the main question after this - should I get "just" grub 2.00+ from jessie maybe?
07:23<jm_>what is BBP?
07:24<caravel>sorry, BIOS Boot Partition
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07:24<caravel>as in parted set 1 bios_grub on
07:24*caravel hi jm_
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07:24<jm_>what happens if you try to install grub manually?
07:25<caravel>probe fails on my rootfs which is an LVM inside LUKS, I end up with a "no such disk"
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07:26*caravel meant "which is an LV on* on LUKS/LVM"
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07:26<caravel>(I prepared the disk on cli, before to run Debian installer)
07:27<jm_>hmm in that case I would skip grub installation and try backporting newer grub if yout hink it supports such setup
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07:28<caravel>ok, thanks - naive question, can I do that as simply as jumping in the chroot, setting jessie repo/pinning and apt-get install?
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07:28<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
07:28<caravel>yes, there's no backport, I checked
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07:29<caravel>I meant, can I do that without leaving the current installer session i.e. still using the /target chroot it did set
07:30<jm_>as long as you can install needed packages it should work fine
07:30<caravel>ok -- I can try and fail, and start over again anyway, I'd just love to avoid to, it's a bit lengthy all together :)
07:30<caravel>thanks jm_
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07:31<jm_>no worries
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07:35<caravel>actually, I had a "saner" setup in mind I think, an independent grub 2.00+ in the BPP using a distinct LV as its own boot, that would "multiboot" any other distro-specific grub core.img (including Wheezy)
07:36<caravel>so that would mean I would *not* modify grub2 in that Wheezy install
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07:38<caravel>normally, the image is generated by grub-mkimage which is run under grub-install, is that correct?
07:39<War0n>supaman it aint, but i found someting bout gnome-themes-extras and then it installed gnome-themes aswell..
07:39<caravel>so should I need to generate it manually?
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07:57<caravel>hmm, if I successfully "multiboot" (the grub command) the wheezycryptorootfs/boot/grub/core.img, from my neutral, crypto-aware grub 2.00+, then... will that wheezy pre-2.00 grub core image still fail to locate the kernel/initrd ?
07:58<samkod>I have been using Wheezy for over a year now. Something that I noticed is that it never does a hardisk check like Squeeze did. How do I enable this?
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07:58<caravel>[...] I assume yes... (?) and therefore I'd have no other choice than upgrading grub in wheezy
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07:58<nocturnal>samkod: it does if you wait long enough
07:58<samkod>how long lol?
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07:59<nocturnal>100 days? I don't kow.
07:59<samkod>Squeeze would run a check every 20 or so boots
07:59<nocturnal>I notice it on servers that have been up for 200 days or so
07:59<nocturnal>at reboot they get a disk check
07:59<nocturnal>I don't reboot often
07:59<caravel>samkod: you can set this in fstab or tune2fs, iirc
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07:59<samkod>I've been running Wheezy for over a year and am yet to have a single disk check
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08:00<jm_>samkod: ext4?
08:00<samkod>yes ext4
08:00<jm_>man tune2fs and modify the settings
08:00<samkod>I thought it had something to do with fstab. What exactly would I have to set in there in order to get it working?
08:00<caravel>still, if you had no unattended poweroff, you should be fine :)
08:00*caravel uptime rocks
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08:01<caravel>it's a fs property, see tune2fs as jm_ just confirmed
08:01<jm_>samkod: last field should not be 0
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08:02<jm_>you can check with dumpe2fs -h /dev/root
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08:10<yaphu>I have puzzle:network-manager and wicd cannot work well to me!!! at first I installed 32bits,then I cannot use Chinese Input Method,then I changed 64bits,other comes,I find the computer always dropped! And wicd too! now uninstall them! I want to know why?
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08:11<yaphu>after uninstall network-manager and wicd, now I can online well
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08:12<simNIX>(If I install wicd I remove and purge network-manager)
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08:15<yaphu>at first I use network-manager,and it cannot well,so I change wicd,but it cannot work well!
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08:16<retfie>hey folks, having a bit of trouble with my uptime and would appreciate a pointer how I could tshoot: 13:37:03 up 19486 days, 13:08, 1 user, load average: 0.53, 0.56, 1.09
08:16<retfie>(this is no joke!)
08:17<nocturnal>I remember back on freebsd you could set the boottime sysctl value to modify your uptime
08:17<nocturnal>perhaps linux has something similar
08:17<retfie>nocturnal: yeah, thing is, happens right at boot time, somewhere early with kernel and usb init
08:17<retfie>before unpacking initramfs
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08:18<retfie>so, currently actual uptime is under an hour.
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08:19<jm_>retfie: is this with debian? which kernel? what does "cat /proc/uptime" show?
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08:20<retfie>jm_: yeah, proc/uptime 1683640247.64 1683745290.24; 3.2.0-4-amd64, 3.2.54-2
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08:21<jm_>retfie: yeah that's really huge uptime, maybe try 3.13 from bpo
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08:22<nocturnal>retfie: have you had this problem from the beginning or did it appear recently?
08:22<jm_>or if you're resuming from disk maybe it's related to that
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08:25<caravel>hmm, upgrading grub-pc from jessie would bring libc6 along which is risky I've read (?)
08:26<jm_>caravel: no, you want to build it from source, not use binary packages
08:26<retfie>nocturnal: recently, but also with last kernel, but do not have logs which exact package it was
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08:27<caravel>jm_: now I understand the direction you gave me earlier, thanks :)
08:27<retfie>jm_: was actually a cold start this time around
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08:28<jm_>retfie: pretty odd
08:28<retfie>jm_: yes it is, thus I have no clue where to dig for (maybe existing) bugs
08:29<jm_>retfie: like I said, try 3.13, if that fails, start by debugging the kernel :)
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08:29<retfie>woohoo, as if I would be capable of that
08:30<retfie>but hey, thanks in any case
08:30<jm_>you could contact LKML about it, but not with 3.2 debian kernel (for that you'd submit a bug to debian)
08:30<nocturnal>personally I find a bit drastic to use the bpo kernel for this. is it easy to downgrade back to stable?
08:30<nocturnal>especially if this is a production system
08:30<nocturnal>if it's just your personal computer, sure
08:30<nocturnal>knock yourself out
08:30<retfie>currently this is stable, and production, lots of DomU on this Dom0
08:32<retfie>DomU's actually run the same kernel and do not suffer from this problem
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08:33<jm_>so maybe it's related to that, I haven't really done anything with xen to be able to comment
08:33<retfie>no worries, will dig around a bit more
08:33<jm_>at least you have some pointers what to search for
08:33<retfie>exactly, thanks :)
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08:34<jm_>no problem, I didn't contribute anything useful anyway
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09:00<AzaToth>will openssl 1.0.1g be added to the archive
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09:01<AzaToth>I'm wondering about the heartbleed bug issue
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09:01<nocturnal>1.0.1e is patched
09:01<nocturnal>check the security list
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09:01<nocturnal>For the stable distribution (wheezy), this problem has been fixed in
09:01<nocturnal>version 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5.
09:02<AzaToth>is 1.0.1f in sid patched as well?
09:02<nocturnal>For the testing distribution (jessie), this problem has been fixed in
09:02<nocturnal>version 1.0.1g-1.
09:02<nocturnal>For the unstable distribution (sid), this problem has been fixed in
09:02<nocturnal>version 1.0.1g-1.
09:02<nocturnal>this is all from the security-announce list
09:02<nocturnal>very good to subscribe to
09:02<AzaToth>can't find g
09:02<AzaToth>I assume it's new
09:02<planetmaker>also see topic :)
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09:03<nocturnal>I missed that
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09:03<AzaToth>planetmaker: hehe, I'm using xchat, so topic starts with "current point release"
09:03<nocturnal>/msg dpkg dsa2896
09:03<planetmaker>yeah, I know. I use it, too - easily missed. I saw the topic change earlier :P
09:05<AzaToth>seems "g" hasn't come out to mi mirror yet
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09:05<themill>it should have done -- it was uploaded more than a day ago
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09:06<AzaToth>I've been using an "external mirror" (
09:06<planetmaker>I really appreciate how quick this patch was available with debian
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09:06<AzaToth>and it seems it didn't have "g"
09:07<AzaToth>switching to a normal mirror now
09:07<planetmaker>it was already there when I noticed the issue this morning :)
09:07<AzaToth>and there it is
09:07<themill>AzaToth: the package is on that mirror
09:07<AzaToth>themill: strange
09:07<AzaToth>it didn't show it apt-cache
09:07<planetmaker>apt-get update forgotten?
09:07<AzaToth>3 times
09:08<themill>what release?
09:08<AzaToth>even kicked the dead horse some
09:08<AzaToth>release of what?
09:08<AzaToth>not updated in two months though
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09:09<AzaToth>everytime I do a system upgrade, I'm afraid my nvidia drivers are gonna go amok
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09:10<AzaToth>planetmaker: for topics, imo important stuff should be both in the begining and the end
09:11<AzaToth>I assume I should upgrade libssl1.0.0 as well...
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09:12*AzaToth actually thought the openssl package would depend on the libssl package
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09:16<TaucherMK>hi, I have a serious problem. The update-initramfs -u does not halt and I have no idea where the problem could be, since there is no error message. Any ideas what to look for? I do use standard kernels and the update-initramfs is just called by the apt upgrade routine
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09:19<Maulkin>TaucherMK: Have you tried with -v ?
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09:20<TaucherMK>Maulkin: yes, it stops with adding a module and then the warning that mdadm.conf defines no errors (which was always there as far as i know)
09:20<TaucherMK>no arrays ;-)
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09:21<haiko>how can i find out what kernel module the nic at eth2 is using ?
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09:22<towo^work>haiko, lspci -k | grep -i ether
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09:24<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
09:24<towo^work>haiko, better lspci -k | grep -i ether -A 2
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09:24<Maulkin>TaucherMK: Which module? Can you paste the result to
09:25<haiko>towo^work, that only shows the nic at eth0 even tho i got both eth0 and eth2 working
09:25<caravel>^^^ I was wondering if 2) was about deb-src also, so I then asked dpkg:
09:25<caravel>!deb-src dbo
09:25<dpkg>You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the dbo release is: "deb-src dbo main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list.
09:25<towo^work>haiko, lspci | grep -i net
09:25<caravel>^^^ That's obsolete, right? I can't find any src on wheezy-backports repos
09:25<TaucherMK>Maulkin: I just wanted to get rid of the mdadm warning and realized that there a hundreds of running processes with mdadm —examine —scan on the system. Also every call of mdadm does not halt
09:26<Maulkin>TaucherMK: Sounds like that's the issue then...
09:27<Maulkin>TaucherMK: Which version of Debian are you running?
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09:27<TaucherMK>Maulkin: wheezy
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09:28<TaucherMK>Maulkin: Also, I can’t even kill -9 the mdadm processes
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09:29<Maulkin>TaucherMK: Yeah, it'll be blocked on I/O.
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09:41<caravel>hmm, building GRUB package out of sid source, from debian installer chroot, was looking real good.... :)
09:41<caravel>... until it came to spit recursive loop/tmp mount errors
09:43<caravel>I guess I was asking a little too much ^^
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09:43<caravel>Should I re-partition with un-encrypted /boot as a first step, then once Wheezy will be properly booted, attempt again to build a later GRUB ?
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09:44*caravel I know I was a little optimistic but well, no I didn't even leave any space for this outside of the crypt :s
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10:14<Devastator>while trying to update oldstable, I've put oldstable-updates in sources.list and it is causing this message after apt-get: "W: GPG Error: <mirror address> oldstable-updates Release: The signatures below could not be verified as public key is not available", is there a way to fix it or is it harmless?
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10:17<Brigo>destrudo, it is harmless if you trust your sources, if not sure you need to download the keys from server.
10:18<Devastator>Brigo well, it is an official debian mirror
10:18<Brigo>or a fake :)
10:19<Devastator>what is oldstable-updates used for?
10:19<Brigo>did you install debian-archive-keyring?
10:19<Brigo>well, you know, updates :)
10:19<dpkg>squeeze-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <oldstable-proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from squeeze-updates will be included in point releases. The stable-updates suite replaces the Debian Volatile archive starting from Debian 6.0. . Not to be confused with <squeeze/updates>, see <squeeze security>.
10:19<Brigo>fix bug usually
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10:20<Devastator>Brigo debian-archive-keyring did the trick
10:20<Devastator>I've only installed debian-keyring
10:20<Brigo>that's what created for :)
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10:21<Devastator>themill does this means I should add oldstable-proposed-updates as well?
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10:21<themill>up to you -- if you're happy to test out point releases....
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10:24<Devastator>themill nah, I just want to update oldstable as much as I can to gain time and build a new router with wheezy
10:25<Devastator>about the openssl CVE, is oldstable affected as well?
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10:26<SynrG>oldstable doesn't support sufficiently secure certs in the first place due to ancient openssl :p
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10:29<Devastator>thankfully I'm not using VPN yet
10:30<SynrG>i.e. oldstable's openssl is 0.9.8 which doesn't implement TLS 1.2 :P
10:30<Devastator>just checked hehe
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10:31<SynrG>yet another reason not to be running oldstable (in case you were feeling smug about it :)
10:31<Devastator>I really need to build a new router, this one's hdd is dying slowly
10:32<Devastator>not really, I'm not that paranoic
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10:33<Devastator>I want to build a new router when I figure out how to setup dual wan and VPN
10:33<Devastator>at least that is the plan
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10:34<SynrG>a wan, a vpn, a plan. panama. no wait, that doesn't work.
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11:26<Liquid>Hello all I was wondering what people mean when there talking about pipeing with linux, when I here pipeing I think of piping two programs like crunch and aircrack. But I got a feeling programmer
11:27<srtu>hi, got a problem with autofs, i just like to do a simple nfs share "mount /mnt/disaster/dump" works, but when i use autofs not >
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11:27<Liquid>Me it in a different was. What does programmers mean by pipeing with linux
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11:28<supaman>Liquid: depends on context, piping in the shell is just redirecting the output of one program to another
11:28<Liquid>Supaman I am meaning it in the way that a programmer would be using it.
11:28<supaman>that is in the bash/zsh/ksh/csh/dsh (or what have you) shell
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11:29<supaman>Liquid: that I am not sure of, could have something to do with threading (that one thread in a program could be called a pipe), not sure though.
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11:32<Liquid>From what I have read it seems like a lot of programmers use linux, what would be the benifits of upswing linux over windows etc?
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11:33<supaman>Liquid: these are highly non-debian specific questions, you might fair better in #linux on irc server
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11:54<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:06<Karak> is still showing 1.0.1e version for openssl package - is there another repo somewhere that has 1.0.1g?
12:06<Karak>or a patch for the heartbleed bug?
12:07<Apollo>Karak: which debian release?
12:07<Karak>sorry if I'm asking in the wrong place.
12:07<Apollo>because wheezy has the correct version
12:07*cfoch doesnt know why he is logged in this channel
12:07<Apollo> *** 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 0
12:07<Apollo> 500 wheezy/updates/main amd64 Packages
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12:07<Apollo>^ this is the patched libssl package
12:08<Karak>Yes - ahhh.
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12:08<Karak>I was confused because 1.0.1e is listed as an affected version on the heartbleed bug page.
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12:09<Karak>Thank you Apollo
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12:14<Big-Blue>is it advised to also regenerate the OpenSSH server keys?
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12:21*SamB wishes for a manpage describing aptitude's query language ...
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13:01<wheeler>I have a strange task to do
13:01<dario`>that is a very specific question
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13:04<wheeler>I have to find all not-empty directories in /var which doesn't contain subdirectories and their owner isn't root.
13:04<wheeler>I should probably use find tool
13:04<wheeler>I wrote this:
13:05<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
13:05<wheeler>find /var -empty -maxdepth 1 -uid 0 -false
13:06<wheeler>but I doesn't work well
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13:07*babilen wonders if wheeler would be better of in #bash on, but please define "not well"
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13:08<wheeler>I mean it doesn't work :/
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13:24<dualbus>wheeler: your find command is way off
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13:27<wheeler>dualbus: I know that it isn't convinient way to do it, but I have to use find.
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13:29<dualbus>find /var -type d ! -uid 0 ! -empty ! -exec sh -c 'd=$1; set -- "$1"/*/; [ -d "$1" ]' _ {} \; -print
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13:30<ftzdomino>i'm having trouble finding openssl=1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 in some of the mirrors. is it going to take a while to appear on them, or was it pulled?
13:31<ftzdomino>shouldn't it appear here?
13:31<SamB>ftzdomino: I don't think security updates are expected to be mirrored the same way?
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13:34<mju>Security has a separate set of mirrors, AFAIK.
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13:34<ftzdomino>ah, that makes sense. looks like u6 is out now as well.
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13:36<mju>ftzdomino: Yes, see
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13:37<ftzdomino>thanks mju. and for anyone involved with debian, thank you for making it so easy to administer.
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13:51<gary22><gary22> Hi, my debian shell can't display special characters such as '└──'
13:51<gary22><gary22> or '──╼'
13:51<gary22><gary22> I have en_US utf-8
13:51<gary22><gary22> how can I fix this?
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13:51<gary22> Hi, my debian shell can't display special characters such as '└──'
13:51<gary22>or '──╼'
13:51<gary22>how can I fix this?
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13:54<bix_nood>Ugh, hello?
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13:54<bix_nood>Anyone in here?
13:54<bix_nood>I hav queschun :3333
13:55<babilen>dpkg: ask
13:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
13:55<bix_nood>I wanted to ask about Android device/MTP device.
13:56<bix_nood>I have problem with Android device
13:56<bix_nood>Din du nufin
13:57<bix_nood>I can connect it. It appears on my lists of devices in thunar as LG P700.
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13:57<bix_nood>I can view files as well as move them between PC/phone.
13:58<bix_nood>BUT it doesn't appear on my desktop like any other USB device/storage.
13:58<babilen>It's not USB, but then I have no idea about thunar at all.
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14:00<babilen>Well, it is USB just not normal USB mass storage
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14:05<bix_nood>Okay :<
14:05<bix_nood>I guess i have to live with my autism.
14:05<bix_nood>But it still bothers hell outta me.
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14:08<kaplan>Hi, where's the best question about doing a backport for wheezy ? Mainly who to use the backport repository as part of the build.
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14:09<kaplan>(oops) the best place for asking a question...
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14:13<bix_nood>Okay thanks for help guys, bb.
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14:44<lamb>Eveningnoons. Heartbleed fix for Debian Wheezy yet? Aptitude offers libssl-1.0.1e2
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14:49<ompaul>For the stable distribution (wheezy), this problem has been fixed in version 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5.
14:49<ftzdomino>1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 seems to be out now too
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14:50<ompaul>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade should sort that out for you unless you have been playing the wrong kind of games with your /etc/apt/sources.list
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14:50<lamb>Oh? ompaul - thanks, lemme check that information, I had the understanding that the fix would be in available in 1.0.1g (not e or f) series of packages
14:51<ompaul>lamb: check that
14:51<mju>That's the upstream version. Debian patches its versions.
14:51<jimpop>is there a way to get apt-get upgrade to -y the service restart prompt?
14:51<ftzdomino>debian security people tend to backport fixes to the stable versions, making life easier for everyone.
14:51<lamb>ompaul: Excellent, thanks again!
14:51<lamb>Off to the upgrade!
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14:57<hakann>END TIMES hadith
14:57<hakann>There comes a time, then the Muslims do today if I did that one-tenth of worship, is freed from the punishment of the Hereafter. Prophet Muhammad s.a.v.
14:57<hakann>A time it commanded you that you are leaving one-tenth of the world would be destroyed. Then it will come a time when he commanded the self gets rid of that one-tenth of Muhammad pbuh
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15:39<oni>why is in still openssl1.0.1f-1 and not 1.0.1g-1?
15:40<ncl>oni: testing does not get security updates
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15:41<ompaul>oni: join #debian-next if you want instructions to fix it
15:41<babilen>ncl, oni It does
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15:41<ompaul>its just slower
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15:41<babilen>jessie/updates is on
15:41<babilen>(and security support is nowhere nearly as complete as for wheezy/stable)
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15:43<oni>I know that but tell 1.0.1g-1 is the current version
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15:43<ompaul>it will take a day or two to fall from sid down aiui
15:44<ompaul>as I said if you want the fix -next
15:45<ompaul>oni: if you were running stable a simple "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" would have worked
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15:46<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:47<ompaul>santi: you have a debian question?
15:48<santi>hablas español
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15:48<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:52<MooseMorals>Looking at my logs, it looks like the update to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 was some time in Febuary, is that right?
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15:54<bytebrain>apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade fixes all
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15:54<lamb>MooseMorals: if that's true then the Debian debs are amazing, correcting a 0-day exploit before it was even known
15:54<MooseMorals>Thats why I wanted to check
15:54<ompaul>lamb: can I bring you to the slaughter sorry slayer ;-)
15:56<ncl>erm, 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 was a vulnerable version though
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15:57<MooseMorals> says "For the stable distribution (wheezy), this problem has been fixed in version 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5."
15:58<lamb>ompaul: no thanks but you can take me to the laughter sorry lawyer ;)
15:58<ncl>oh, they just applied the patch to an 1.0.1e
15:58<ompaul>ncl: if on stable it gets fixed
15:58<ompaul>ncl: welcome to what a stable distro is :)
15:58<ncl> says 1.0.1e-2+deb7u*6*
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15:59<jumbers>It was fixed in deb7u5 and then deb7u6 was pushed to include restarting of some affected services
15:59<ompaul>ncl: read the bottom
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16:02<ncl>ofcouse, no one page has the correct answer, only a part and misleading information otherwise, but links to correct information elsewhere!
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16:02<MooseMorals>So the version posted in Feb is fine, so long as I've rebooted (and updated keys and stuff)
16:02<bytebrain>Or test your machine after upgrade: strange that is still leaking... Not running Debian I think..
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16:06<jumbers>MooseMorals: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 was released yesterday, not in February. You should check the specific version number you have
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16:08<MooseMorals>"aptitude versions '~i?source-package(openssl)'" gives 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5, and says that's from Febuary
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16:15<MooseMorals>or maybe not.
16:16<MooseMorals>Thanks for the help anyway
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17:31-!-us`0gb is "" on #oftc #moocows #debian-security #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian-mirrors #debian #
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17:50<us`0gb>J, indeed.
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17:54<sugarpuff>want to thank somiaj, rjsalts, centrx and peterS for their help last night. i'm passing along your wisdom in blog form here:
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18:07<devil_>sugarpuff: you should add libssl1.0.0 to that
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18:08<sugarpuff>devil_: that's installed by the instructions
18:09<devil_>sugarpuff: besided that both packages are in unstable, so no need to build those
18:09<sugarpuff>also, just learned that they *just* got the fix into testing, ahead of the usual "minimum two-day delay"
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18:09<devil_>I did not see libssl mentioned, maybe I missed it
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18:09<daemonkeeper>With "just" meaning since the last britney run.
18:09<devil_>oh, even in testing, well there was a DSA
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18:11<sugarpuff>daemonkeeper: i checked the page no less than an hour ago and didn't see it labeled as fixed (pretty sure)
18:12<daemonkeeper>sugarpuff: The PTS is not updated instantly.
18:12<daemonkeeper>(neither your favorite mirror most likely)
18:15<magyar>hi, i've installed flash, but when I try to play flash from the web, i get no sound and the player is stuck in fastforward mode. Help please
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18:18<devil_>magyar: how did you install flash?
18:18<caravel>magyar: first, by "flash" do you mean the flash plugin from Adobe ?
18:18*caravel 0 - 1 devil_
18:18<magyar>caravel: yes
18:19<magyar>devil_: using apt
18:19<devil_>magyar: does update-flashplugin-nonfree -iv output anything other than an error?
18:20<Grenville>hey all, I just saw something online about a problem with openssl. How worried should I be? What should I do?
18:20<magyar>devil_: seems to be fine
18:20<devil_>magyar: what browser is that?
18:20<mtn>Grenville: read the topic
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18:21<magyar>devil_: iceweasel jessie
18:21<devil_>magyar: and you restarted it after installing flashplayer?
18:21<Grenville>sorry, have I made a faux pas? sorry, new at this game. I couldn't understand the topic, apologies.
18:21<magyar>devil_: several times
18:22<caravel>Grenville: no worries, just type whatthe topic says for the OpenSSL thing, in your IRC client
18:22<devil_>magyar: does youtube work for you?
18:22<mtn>Grenville: type this here in the channel: /msg dpkg dsa2896
18:23<Grenville>ok. Got you, I think. Here goes trying.
18:23<magyar>devil_: after I ran the command you provided and restated the browser the plugin works.
18:24<devil_>good we talked about it ;)
18:24<caravel>magyar: it's call "proprietary software upgrade" :)
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18:25<magyar>caravel: what is the diff between nonfree plugin and mozilla flash plugin?
18:25<magyar>I see two of them in aptitude
18:25<magyar>and I only can install one or the other
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18:26<caravel>I'm not sure, maybe just an alias/meta package?
18:26<caravel>Adobe Flash is *not* part of Debian (hence shipped via nonfree repository)
18:27<caravel>(you may feel lucky to have received help here :)
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18:27<magyar>thanks devil_ caravel
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18:28<caravel>here's a ®True Libre Debian™ documentation question :) Where can I read/deduct how to load, under d-i, for example the dmcrypt toolset (eg. cryptsetup)?
18:28<caravel>I know how to get the UI to load it for me, but I'd like to know how to bring it manually from tty myself
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18:29<caravel>and... I've searched the docs quite a bit, so my question is not really how to do it, rather where to read about how to do it (and load other modules) :s
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18:30<petn-randall>caravel: I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question right. So you know how to load the dm-crypt module in d-i, but want to do it another way?
18:30*caravel by d-i, I meant "Debian Installer" (as shipped with Wheezy ISO install)
18:30<caravel>no, I don't know how to :)
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18:31<caravel>I only know how to make the d-i UI load it for me
18:31<petn-randall>caravel: start in expert mode, when it asks to load further modules, just select it from the list.
18:31<caravel>how about the non-Expert mode?
18:32<caravel>I installed Wheezy earlier, on a pre-partitioned disk with a crypt, all great
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18:33<caravel>what I did basically, in partman UI, was to say "configure the encrypted stuff" then I canceled, then LVM I think -- that made d-i load the module (is that the "udeb" package I can see with `find` ?)
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18:33<caravel>and from that point, I had cryptsetup avail in /sbin/
18:34<caravel>(sorry if lacking any accuracy, didn't take note on this during the install)
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18:41<caravel> << I assume that's the equivalent of what I'm looking for
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18:42<caravel>(I failed to find the exhaustive list of modules, if it exists anywhere ?)
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18:45<Klaus_Dieter>hello world
18:45<devil_>hello Klaus_Dieter
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18:51<Klaus_Dieter>my question is not entirely debian specific but network specific. I am still hoping to get some help since the underlying system is a debian;) anways here it goes: I have two network interfaces in a computer here. one having the ip address for eth0 the other having the ip/netmask (eth1) now if I connect a separate computer to the switch connected to eth0 and assigning the ip address there I ...
18:51<Klaus_Dieter>... cannot ping from that second machine. on the first host I ran arp which shows the address on both nics eth0 and eth1. Also I cannot ping from ..10 or ..10 from ...1
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18:51<Klaus_Dieter>so I figured that I might have done something wrong with the setup but I feel this should be working since these devies are assigned to different subnets
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18:52<Klaus_Dieter>the routes look like dev batbridge proto kernel scope link src
18:52<Klaus_Dieter> dev backbone proto kernel scope link src
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18:52<petn-randall>Klaus_Dieter: Why do you have colliding subnets on two interfaces?
18:53<Klaus_Dieter>petn-randall: are they colliding? they should not be
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18:53<Klaus_Dieter>petn-randall: the network for eth0 has addresses from to while the net on eth1 has address in 10.126.255.*
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18:54<petn-randall>Klaus_Dieter: Oh right, I think I need some glasses, sorry.
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18:55<caravel>[...] should that be `anna-install cryptsetup-udeb` or just `install` maybe? Getting hot :) =>
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18:57<caravel>(found trace here too
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18:58<caravel>bug 641264 also
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19:11<k-man>i recently upgraded my server from squeeze to wheezy, in installed the linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 package but it still boots into 2.6.32 for some reason
19:11<dondelelcaro>k-man: have you run update-grub or whatever is appropriate for your system?
19:11<k-man>dondelelcaro, no...
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19:12<k-man>that could well be the problem, thanks dondelelcaro
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19:13<dondelelcaro>k-man: you shouldn't *have* to run it, but it may be required in this case
19:13<petn-randall>k-man: If that fails, check if 3.2.0 is the first entry in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
19:13<k-man>dondelelcaro, its a vps server that i set up quite a long time ago
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19:13<k-man>doesn't seem to have grub installed
19:13<k-man>not quite sure what booting mechanism its using
19:14<dondelelcaro>k-man: oh
19:14<dondelelcaro>k-man: heh; in a VPS case, all bets are off
19:14<petn-randall>k-man: If it's Amazon EC2, you have to pick the kernel in the frontend.
19:14<k-man>no, its not amazon
19:14<k-man>ok, anyway I'll ask my provider
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19:24<k-man>it is running on xen and they have a web interface for selecting the kernel
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19:24<k-man>thanks for the pointers dondelelcaro and petn-randall
19:25<petn-randall>k-man: Ah, there it is then. Glad to hear it worked out.
19:25<dondelelcaro>k-man: cool; no problem. Glad you got it figured out
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19:27<k-man>its pretty cool, you can ssh to a special host+login and it gives you console of your machine - not sure if thats a standard feature of xen but its very cool
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19:27<k-man>althought the console didn't survive a reboot
19:27<k-man>which would have been even cooler
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19:28<jumbers>Yeah most hypervisors provide that feature
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20:00<Molly83>Hi, I would like to change browser for Debian. Which one would you suggest? Currently I am using Google Chrome, but I do not like Google too much...
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20:01<petn-randall>Molly83: Firefox, aka iceweasel.
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20:01<Molly83>Iceweasel is not running properly on many sites
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20:03<Molly83>Firefox instead is not in my repositories
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20:04<themill>there's no difference between iceweasel and firefox
20:05<somiaj>Molly83: I use chromium (which is available via debian repos) and is the opensource piece that chrome is based on (Before google adds its non-free stuff to it)
20:06<somiaj>Molly83: There are also various webkit based browers out there you can look at
20:06<kelsoo>dwb (wink)
20:06<Molly83>I am using Chromium on another Linux machine, but to be honest I would prefer to use software from Google
20:07<Molly83>prefer not to use, I meant
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20:11<somiaj>well then the choices I know of are iceweasel, or one of the various small browers based of webkit
20:12<somiaj>epiphany-browser, dwb, hbro, seems to be a lot of browsers based off of webkit, but I have only ever tried vimprobable
20:13<themill>!iceweasel doesn't work
20:13<dpkg>When you say a website doesn't work with iceweasel but does with firefox, are you actually comparing the same versions of the two browsers? The version of the browser makes much more difference than the icon it displays or even the user agent. To get a newer iceweasel, ask me about <iceweasel backports>. See also <iceweasel user-agent> <why iceweasel> <stable>.
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20:14<somiaj>Should that be updated to include the fact that secuirty now provideds a fairly new esr iceweasel
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20:15<Molly83>I personally tried Epiphany, the problems with anusual browsers is that on a long term you will always find sites and services not very optimised for them,.
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20:15<Molly83>Iceweasel to me crashes a lot (I know, like that is vague)
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20:16<Molly83>That is the reason why I had to move to Chrome
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20:16<Molly83>I tried to update Iceweasel but according to apt-get it is already up to date
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20:17<somiaj>Molly83: apt-cache policy iceweasel, are to give us the output of that at
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20:17<themill>somiaj: possibly, although give it another 10 minutes and it will have fallen behind again
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20:19<themill>yeah, you might like to consider upgrading to the stable release
20:19<SynrG>dpkg: squeeze->wheezy
20:19<dpkg>Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>.
20:19<Molly83>Is it very old :P ?
20:20<SynrG>not supported for much longer. it is 'oldstable'
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20:21<Eryn_1983_FL>hey peeps
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20:21<Eryn_1983_FL>So it appears i need a dns server..
20:22<Eryn_1983_FL>is there something easier then bind?
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20:24<Molly83>Should I substitute every occurrence of "squeeze"?
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20:25<somiaj>Molly83: make sure you read the release notes, there are somethings you should do in a paticular order to ensure you don't corrupt your system during the upgrade
20:26<somiaj>Molly83: and make sure you have backups. Upgrades from oldstable->stable is supported but depending on what you have installed may not always work.
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20:26<Molly83>Ok, I have the page opened right now
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20:27<Molly83>Ok, thanks a lot for tonight guys, you are always precious :)
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20:49<rryoumaa>upon reboot, i discovered that samhain reads and writes a fair amount to lo and eth0. is this normal?
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20:49<sney>I would say probably
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20:50<rryoumaa>sney: thanks! any idea what it is doing?
20:51<sney>I haven't used samhain personally but it's probably checking link parameters etc. or maybe checking for signs of intrusion from before the daemon started?
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20:58<batmat>BUDUSCRIPT: Puoi inviare un comando ad una specifica sessione, ad esempio: /budus sendsess
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23:11<derrick>I am looking for some help with my conky config on my debian desktop
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23:12<derrick>my config shows my ip address but not upspeed or downspeed
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23:16<derrick>here is my config
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23:19<somiaj>derrick: maybe #conky on would have someone who knows more about the config.
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23:20<derrick>ok thanks
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23:26<thatguychuck>Can someone point me in the direction of some sort of automated post install configuration? Currently I have a rather complicated bash script that is basically a bunch of cp and apt-get commands.
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23:33<somiaj>thatguychuck: are you installing lots of installs on various machines?
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23:34<thatguychuck>Yes. I had looked into...something a while ago but cannot for the life of me remember what it was.
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23:35<somiaj>a bit out of my experience, but wouldn't a tool like puppet help you with this? i.e. I belive it can not only push out configs to all the machines, it can install/remove/update packages too
23:36<thatguychuck>I think that was it! Thanks, off to do some reading.
23:36<somiaj>cfengine I think is another such tool
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23:49<RandomUser20> Hows it going guys, i am wondering if any of you have any idea how i could setup some intrusion prevention system on a debian machine or in general just making the machine more secure, any help would be greatly appreciated.
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23:51<RandomUser20>Thank you, ill have a look, i am very noobish with linux tho :(
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23:52<centrx>RandomUser20, Is this a desktop machine?
23:53<RandomUser20>I use it to host some game servers, its only command line stuff
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23:54<RandomUser20>So far i have installed fail2ban, change my ssh port, and setup some very nooby iptables rules for incoming connections, i am not sure if they are good actually
23:55<centrx>That's pretty god
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23:55<centrx>RandomUser20, Make sure you are not running any unnecessary services that open ports
23:55<RandomUser20>I don't know how to check :(
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23:55<RandomUser20><- very noob with linux
23:56<centrx>RandomUser20, You can use nmap to port scan yourself
23:56<centrx>Either from a different machine, or from the same machine (will give different output...)
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23:57<centrx>RandomUser20, Then the other major thing is to make sure you have a line for security updates in your sources.list file, and do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade regularly
23:58<RandomUser20>Yes, i run thoese once every week or so
23:58<RandomUser20>I will download nmap now and test
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