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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-04-09

---Logopened Wed Apr 09 00:00:12 2014
00:00<RandomUser20>any specific scan i should do with nmap ?
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00:00<RandomUser20>i am running it from home pc to target my host now
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00:01<RandomUser20>like what should i put into it ? just IP / profile Intense Scan and click scan ?
00:02<RandomUser20>also has this nmap -T4 -A -v
00:02<centrx>RandomUser20, Is this the GUI version
00:02<centrx>The defaults are probably fine
00:02<centrx>You can run it and see
00:03<centrx>as long as you make sure to target your own machine, it should run quickly, and not be a problem running it too frequently
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00:03<centrx>RandomUser20, Don't go port-scanning too many machines on the Internet you don't control, as someone might treat it like an attack
00:04<RandomUser20>Yes, i only test on mine so i may better secure it
00:04<centrx>RandomUser20, One interesting option you can add is -O for OS detection. Of course, you already know your own OS
00:05<centrx>RandomUser20, You used the word "intrusion detection" which is usually relative to observing network packets
00:06<centrx>RandomUser20, That is, network intrusion detection. That can be useful for observing if someone is attempting an attack, and is often installed on a separate observational host
00:07<centrx>RandomUser20, snort is a major network intrusion detection software
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00:10<RandomUser20>Its kind of funny it also know the uptime of my machine
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00:11<RandomUser20>Not shown: 999 filtered ports |
00:11<RandomUser20>80/tcp open http lighttpd 1.4.28
00:11<RandomUser20>i am guessing that is good ?
00:12<centrx>It is if you expect to have the HTTP server "lighttpd" running
00:12<centrx>web server
00:12<RandomUser20>yes, i use it to host maps / sounds for the game servers
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00:14<RandomUser20>Should i create firewall rules for outgoing connections also ?
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00:17<RandomUser20>Any idea what TCP sequance is in nmap ? says difficulty "good luck!"
00:19<RandomUser20>index 256
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00:20<centrx>RandomUser20, TCP sequence numbers are randomly generated. Different OSes and configurations have different predictability
00:21<RandomUser20>Okay, thank you
00:21<centrx>RandomUser20, It indicates cryptographic strength of the machine from just the numbers generated in TCP packets
00:21<RandomUser20>So i am guessing mine is good ?
00:21<centrx>Pretty clever I think
00:21<centrx>It said "index 256" ??
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00:22<centrx>I always remember it as a percentage
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00:23<RandomUser20>TCP Sequence Prediction: Difficulty=256 (Good luck!)
00:23<RandomUser20>no % shown
00:23<centrx>oh okay it's just a number then
00:24<RandomUser20>a good number hopefuly ?:D
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00:24<centrx>256 is hard, "Good luck" is basicall
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00:26<RandomUser20>i see it shows filtered ports 999 and closed ports 0, filtered and closed are kind of the same thing right ?
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00:26<centrx>RandomUser20, The manpage explains both of these things pretty well, use the search
00:26<centrx>man nmap
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00:28<centrx>RandomUser20, It may say that because of your iptables rules
00:29<RandomUser20>it's still good though right ?
00:29<centrx>RandomUser20, As long as your iptables settings are correct
00:30<RandomUser20>brb 3 min
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00:35<RandomUser200>doing a "slow comprehensive scan" now
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00:38<RandomUser200>Centrx , any idea how someone could compromise my machine othern than brute forcing my ssh password ? in what ways can people get in ?
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00:40<RandomUser200>Maybe it will make me better understand how to protect the machine if i know in which way people can get in
00:40<centrx>RandomUser200, A vulnerability in your game server would be most likely
00:40<centrx>RandomUser200, Uninstall any software you don't need. E.g. no GUI/web browsers
00:41<RandomUser200>Yep, don't have any gui or web browser, its all command line, also didnt install anything i don't use
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00:43<centrx>Basically, security exploits on an individual machine would be vulnerabilities on those software packages
00:43<centrx>All you can really do is keep up to date with security updates
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00:43<Sonido_mute>tor as I can use my ubuntu one broswer does not work
00:44<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
00:44<RandomUser200>I need to find a way to see if my machine was or will be compromised in the future, like how will i know if someone has compromised it hmm, could you recommend something ?
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00:45<RandomUser200>I am guessing they can easily remove auth.log
00:45<RandomUser200>or modify
00:46<jumbers>Using something like rsyslogd and sending it to a remote machine can help with situations like that
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00:46<centrx>RandomUser200, yeah, that's the thing, if you have reason to believe your machine has been compromised, you can't use the machine itself to detect its own compromise
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00:47<centrx>RandomUser200, That's another reason for the _network_ intrusion detection system
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00:48<centrx>RandomUser200, You could install clamav, and there are probably other tools as well
00:48<RandomUser200>I don't think it has been compromised but anything can be possible
00:48<centrx>RandomUser200, It all goes through those apps
00:49<centrx>lighttpd and vsftpd, and you said ssh too
00:50<RandomUser200>i think it will be hard to configure rsyslogd :(
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00:50<rryoumaa>does the ssl bug affect normal people who do not run outward-facing servers?
00:50<centrx>Then the other side of security is insecurity in client software, usually desktop software which you don't have
00:50<centrx>RandomUser200, Or someone could hack your router and use that analyzing your traffic or something
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00:52<RandomUser200>But the connection is encrypted when loging into ssh so even if they hacked my router i think it would be no good to them ? hmm
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00:53<RandomUser200>they could gather other info but not SSH password or other passwords from https links right ?
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00:55<centrx>RandomUser200, There are an endless number of possibilities
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00:56<centrx>RandomUser200, For example, if you are really concerned about security, your router would serve as a firewall between your machine and the Internet.
00:56<centrx>RandomUser200, Disabling that firewall would be an advantage
00:57<centrx>RandomUser200, I'm not sure if you really have to worry about these things given what you are doing
00:57<RandomUser200>I have router firewall enabled, i also have software firewall on pc
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00:58<ghost>is there a channel for server related questions? i can't find one
00:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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00:58<RandomUser200>Don't think anyone will target me directly though to compromise my debian machine
00:58<somiaj>ghost: this channel is for most debian based questions, so server qualitifies under that
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01:00<RandomUser200>I use password manager also so have very complex login passwords everywhere (including the debian machine), they wont be likely to brute force it
01:00<ghost>thank you it's my first time in irc i didn't know people are so friendly here ;-)
01:00<somiaj>ghost: part of what makes debian so great! (:
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01:01<centrx>RandomUser200, Yeah, and brute forcing ssh becomes difficult/impossible with fail2ban
01:01<RandomUser200>Had tons of attempts before finally changing my ssh port, was kind of ridiculous
01:02<ghost>my question is i'm trying to run openvpn on my linux ubuntu server 12.04 lts to connect to it remotely but can't get it to connect to the internet i tried bridging but i cant get it to work. any suggestions.
01:03<somiaj>ghost: you are going to want to use ubuntu's support for setting up that bridge since you are using ubuntu.
01:03<centrx>ghost, Try #ubuntu on Freenode or maybe #openvpn on Freenode
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01:19<RandomUser200>how can i see everything that's installed on the machine ?
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01:20<RandomUser200>i remember there was a command to list everything installed but dont know what it was
01:20<jumbers>You can get a list of installed packages with dpkg -l
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01:30<babilen>dpkg: tell RandomUser200 -about aptitude clone
01:30<babilen>RandomUser200: (just mind reading, if you want to actually do something else then ask about that)
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01:31<RandomUser200>doing a complete scan with nmap now to see if i can spot some stuff thats out of place
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01:42<babilen>RandomUser200: might come in handy
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01:43<RandomUser200>Thank you but i have no idea what that is, i am very noob with linux :(
01:44<bob_>need help finding a video driver
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01:44<bob_>i got it b4 from here but had to format
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01:44<babilen>RandomUser200: Oh, that's okay. It is a bash script that results in output like: "/usr/lib/postfix/master on port 25/tcp from package postfix (version 2.11.0-1)
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01:46<RandomUser200>yep no idea :( haha
01:46<RandomUser200>thanks though
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01:47<babilen>RandomUser200: Yeah, no problem. It essentially figures out which program is responsible for every open port on your system and lists the package it has been installed from
01:47<RandomUser200>but how can i run it ?
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01:49<babilen>RandomUser200: You save it locally into a file, say, "list-daemons" or so and run it as root. I wouldn't recommend to do that though if you don't understand the problem. That is not because I don't trust the program or myself, but because I don't want to teach you running stuff as root you don't understand.
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01:51<bob_>need help
01:51<RandomUser200>Yep its probably best i don't
01:52<RandomUser200>I will save it for another time, might come in handy when i understand linux more
01:52<babilen>good idea
01:56<bob_>i need help with my video driver
01:57<bob_>ati mobility radeon hd 5650 1gb
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01:59<jm_>man radeon says that's supported in wheezy
01:59<bob_>i cant run 3d effects
02:00<bob_>i installed b4 the driver from web but forgot how
02:00<jm_>how exactly that qualifies as no is beyond me - install the firmware
02:00<bob_>im linux noob hence my pressence
02:01<bob_>i hate windows and want tomove away from it
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02:01<jm_> has the required info
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02:02<bob_>ok thanx bro
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02:07<babilen>dpkg: tell bob_ -about radeon
02:07<babilen>bob_: Make sure to have the firmware and mesa-dri packages
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03:31<bob>need that ati radeon link again plz
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03:35<babilen>dpkg: tell bob -about radeon
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03:39<viscera>so i'm experiencing a problem where xorg seems to crash when i disconnect VGA1 from my laptop
03:39<viscera>wheezy, intel graphics
03:39<viscera>ie. when i unplug the monitor
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03:51<Rene>I need some assistance regarding a rather tricky error I am getting using aptitude
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03:54<babilen>dpkg: tell Rene -about bat
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03:56<babilen>Rene: And I would recommend to use a pastebin service like that and not cross-post into multiple channels as that make helpin you quite a bit harder.
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03:56<Rene>thank you
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03:58<babilen>dpkg: tell Rene -about localised errors
03:58<babilen>Ah well ... /me moves on
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04:18<Rene>I have changed the locale to en
04:18<Rene>the error can be found here:
04:20<Rene>what I have done so far: removing /etc/apt/sources.list.d
04:20<jm_>can you get those files with say wget?
04:20<Rene>I don't think so, they point to a wrong path
04:21<jm_>no, they work fine -- etc.
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04:21<Rene>should be binary-amd64
04:21<Rene>8d6ea830080ad85c8a6ada7d219782e6 28482363 main/binary-amd64/Packages
04:23<jm_>do you see downloaded release files in /var/lib/apt/lists?
04:23<babilen>Rene: Are you sure that this is *exactly* the error you get? Note the 'main/binary-amd6/Packages' (amd64 vs. amd6)
04:24<Rene>root@SEAFILE:~# dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
04:24<babilen>Rene: What does "dpkg --print-architecture" give you?
04:24<jm_>well then
04:24<Rene>how do I change that?
04:24<Rene>how is this even possible?!
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04:24<jm_>and add it back properly
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04:25<babilen>Rene: You must, at one point, have added amd6 as foreign architecture. What does "dpkg --print-architecture" give you?
04:25<Rene>root@SEAFILE:~# dpkg --print-architecture
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04:26<babilen>Rene: And it is also listed when you run "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" ?
04:26<Rene>no, there is just amd6
04:27<Rene>I have removed the architecture now
04:27<Rene>everything seems to run as normal now
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04:28<babilen>Rene: Good
04:28<babilen>I wonder why you decided to install i386 and not amd64, but meh :)
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05:01<ThCTLo>hello, i looking for someone how can help me a bit with cups printing. Ive hit bug 703423 ( kerberos auth ) and i see its fixed in 1.6.2. Im trying to recompile 1.7.1 from sid to wheezy but im unable to because of compile errors. Does someone has a version of cups in deb files, version 1.6.3 or higher?
05:01<ThCTLo>( for wheezy ?)
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05:04<ThCTLo>or any other suggestion to get 1.6.3+ working on wheezy?
05:05<jm_>,check-backport cups
05:06<judd>Backporting package cups in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: cups-filters (>= 1.0.38~), libcupsfilters-dev (>= 1.0.38~).
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05:12<ThCTLo>the is no cups on backports, i already checkt, recompile, even after fixing the build-depends, i get ( running build again, .. something about unable to create secure random numbers. ), a sec.
05:12<che>anyone know why ping6 requires the interface for pinging link local addresses instead of getting the interface from the routing table by default?
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05:13<che>or how to get route to show both ipv6 and v4 addresses at the same time? the man page for route makes no mention of the -6 argument which shows the ipv6 table.
05:13<ThCTLo>i get : libqpdf/ error: #error "Don't know how to generate secure random numbers on this platform. See random number generation in the top-level README"
05:14<ThCTLo>and : /bin/bash: libqpdf/build/SecureRandomDataProvider.tdep: No such file or directory
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05:17<jm_>where did you get libqpdf from?
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05:18<ThCTLo>i got libqpdf from the build-deps and im using the sid version.
05:18<ThCTLo>base system is wheezy
05:18<louiz>If I’m not mistaken, python-openssl is built with an embeded OpenSSL version, and thus do not use the system openssl version. If that’s the case, all packages using python-openssl or python3-openssl are vulnerable to Heartbleed, because the package has not been updated. Am I right?
05:18<jm_>so you built it using debian tools and installed it?
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05:19<ThCTLo>yes, i did the folloing, apt-get source cups , check depends, get depends, get new source for depends, twice ) and apt-get source package -b
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05:20<jm_>that doesn't installed dependent packages
05:20<ThCTLo>no, but apt-get build-dep package does.
05:20<SynrG>louiz: you're mistaken
05:20<louiz>why is that?
05:20<SynrG>louiz: citation for "python-openssl is built with an embedded OpenSSL version"? (in debian)
05:20<SynrG>louiz: i find no evidence of that. see apt-cache show python-openssl
05:21<jm_>apt-get build-dep would only install it from the repositories, not if you have locally created .deb files with newer version
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05:21<louiz>SynrG, apt-get source python-openssl creates a directory pyopenssl/OpenSSL
05:21<louiz>which contains the sources
05:22<themill>louiz: that directory doesn't contain a copy of openssl
05:22<SynrG>louiz: did you run the command i asked you to?
05:23<ThCTLo>ok, i have i setup like this. apt sources.list ( only wheezy deb, source from sid ) , i did apt-get source cups , apt-get build-dep cups , need : libqpdf-dev , apt-get build-dep libqpdf-dev , etc, until i have all needed packages.
05:23<ThCTLo>but the first i need is libqpdf-dev and this one fails to build.
05:23<louiz>SynrG, I don’t know what I am supposed to see with that command
05:23<SynrG>Depends: python (<< 2.8), python (>= 2.6), python-support (>= 0.90.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0)
05:24<SynrG>louiz: i.e. it depends on debian's libssl1.0.0. it does not embed one of its own.
05:24<ThCTLo>because of that i cant build the other depends. i know how to rebuild, like this, i have apache2.4 squid3.3 samba4 and other build like this.
05:24<louiz>yet it builds (a part of) openssl when running “debuild” in pyopenssl-0.13
05:24<louiz>gcc -pthread -fno-strict-aliasing -g -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fPIC -I/usr/include/python2.6_d -c OpenSSL/crypto/crypto.c -o build/temp.linux-x86_64-2.6-pydebug/OpenSSL/crypto/crypto.o
05:25<SynrG>louiz: do you understand the difference between a binding and a library, then?
05:25<themill>louiz: did you look inside the file it is compiling there?
05:25<SynrG>take, for example:
05:25<SynrG>ldd /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.7/OpenSSL/
05:26<SynrG>louiz: you will see this *links* against the debian libssl
05:26<SynrG>which, as i said, is a dependency of the package
05:26<themill>(or just /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.7/OpenSSL/ if you are on wheezy)
05:26<SynrG>i.e. it does not embed an openssl implementation. it only contains a binding to it.
05:26<SynrG>oops, right
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05:26<SynrG>meant to type that on a wheezy system. sorry :)
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05:27<louiz>Ok, that one is a valid proof thanks
05:27<jm_>ThCTLo: but do you have build depends at right versions for qpdf?
05:27<themill>louiz: you should also look at the files in that directory -- they are quite clearly not openssl but the python wrappers for it.
05:27<SynrG>louiz: bindings are typically written in C and link both against the library for the dynamic language and the library for which the binding is written.
05:28<SynrG>louiz: they provide a thin layer by which the underlying library can be called from the dynamic language
05:28<louiz>themill, ah yes, you’re right… Thanks
05:28<ThCTLo>yes Jm_ i have, the build dep order, cups needs, cups-filters . needs, libqpdf-dev , which is qpdf source. and that one i cant compile
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05:28<che>louiz: you can see a test case for heartbleed here:
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05:29<themill>louiz: debian basically doesn't statically link anything -- everything is done through dynamic libraries. That's for precisely the reason you bring up.
05:29<louiz>che, it asks for a login
05:29<che>louiz: hmm, that's weird, it's just a public github repo
05:30<louiz>themill, yeah. That’s a policy, but it could be done by mistake I guess, and the name of that directory made me believe it was one. I just wanted to make sure it was ok
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05:30<che>louiz: well, that's weird, but you can try google's cache then:
05:31<che>louiz: I had fun with that script this morning, though by the afternoon most major sites were patched
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05:32<louiz>yeah, I know about how to exploit this bug, I was just concerned about python-openssl being correctly fixed. And everything is fine. Thank you themill and SynrG
05:33<themill>no worries
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05:36<ThCTLo>jm_ if you know i can change libqpdf/ , it goes wrong at the defined(RANDOM_DEVICE) , maybe im missing something but i really dont know :-(
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05:37<peterS>che: wild guess on your earlier ping6 question: because fe80::/64 is not specific to an interface. so pinging something in fe80::/64, the interface to use is ambiguous if you have more than one
05:37<jm_>ThCTLo: I tried to find build logs for this package, but I either don't know how to use that facility or the tool has issues
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05:38<peterS>che: (in other words, a machine with a fe80::/64 address may appear behind _any_ interface except loopback)
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05:38<ThCTLo>Ok, thank you for so far, ill keep searching .. ;-)
05:39<jm_>ThCTLo: how does it call configure?
05:39<ThCTLo>yes is does
05:39<peterS>che: also, interesting about 'route -6' - I hadn't tried it before - it gives me a much longer table than 'ip -6 route'. (I prefer the 'ip -6 route' output.)
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05:40<jm_>I know it does, but how?
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05:41<ThCTLo>jm_ like this : chmod a+x /home/sources/qpdf-5.1.1/./configure
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05:41<cousin_luigi>How do I add a module to the initramfs?
05:41<ThCTLo>jm_ then : mkdir -p .
05:41<ThCTLo>cd . && CFLAGS="-g -O2 -fPIE -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Werror=format-security" CXXFLAGS="-g -O2 -fPIE -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Werror=format-security" CPPFLAGS="-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2" LDFLAGS="-fPIE -pie -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-z,now" /home/sources/qpdf-5.1.1/./configure --build=x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --includedir="\${prefix}/include" --mandir="\${prefix}/share/man"
05:41<ThCTLo> --infodir="\${prefix}/share/info" --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --libexecdir="\${prefix}/lib/qpdf" --srcdir=. --disable-maintainer-mode --disable-dependency-tracking --disable-silent-rules --libdir="\${prefix}/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu" --enable-show-failed-test-output
05:41<ThCTLo>configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --disable-maintainer-mode, --disable-dependency-tracking, --disable-silent-rules
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05:42<jm_>ThCTLo: please don't paste here
05:42<che>peterS: hmmm, I think I see
05:43<peterS>cousin_luigi: see /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
05:43<ThCTLo>jm_ here is a part of the build log :
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05:43<che>peterS: I didn't realize the link local address is /64
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05:44<jm_>ThCTLo: if I would have to guess it's this line in configure AX_RANDOM_DEVICE, that's defined in m4/ax_random_device.m4 but no idea why it's not used
05:44<peterS>che: I also admit I haven't tried actually using link-local addresses. I'm not sure how the kernel normally routes traffic to them, given the ambiguity. does it just ARP on all interfaces? I don't know
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05:45<cousin_luigi>peterS: I added a single entry to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and the initrd is being flooded with a ton of stuff
05:45<che>peterS: why does it have information below 64 bits though? eg my ipconfig gives fe80::225:ff:fe3d:4911/64
05:45<cousin_luigi>peterS: my SBC won't even be able to boot with all that
05:45<cousin_luigi>peterS: is it normal?
05:45<ThCTLo>jm_ ok, im go look in to that, the last part of the build log:
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05:46<peterS>che: fe80::/64 is the network. that means individual hosts inside the network will use addresses starting with fe80:0:0:0. The last 64 bits are specific to the host or interface.
05:46<cousin_luigi>and the module I added isn't even there, according to lsinitramfs
05:46<che>peterS: I see, so that address /128 is implicitly the actual link local address
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05:47<peterS>che: well, in the sense that every IPv6 address can be thought of as a /128
05:47<peterS>che: in an address, all 128 bits are significant. to describe a _network segment_, some smaller number of bits are significant, 64 or fewer.
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05:48<cousin_luigi>what am I supposed to do now?
05:49<peterS>I don't know, cousin_luigi. you didn't provide any details. what module did you add? what other modules appeared? does the module depend on the other modules?
05:49<cousin_luigi>peterS: how can I find out on what module(s) it depends on?
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05:50<cousin_luigi>peterS: the depends line is empty
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05:50<che>peterS: I was just misinterpreting the output of ip config - having the /64 on the address threw me for a loop when for ipv4 they just show the subnet seperately by convention
05:51<peterS>cousin_luigi: well, I can't read your screen from here, so I don't think I can be of much further help
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05:51<peterS>che: ah, fair enough
05:51<che>peterS: I do like the concise-ness of just putting the prefix at the end of the unicast address
05:51<peterS>yeah, me too
05:52<peterS>this is why I like 'ip a' and 'ip route' better than 'ifconfig' and 'route'
05:52<peterS>well, one reason. ifconfig is bogus in other ways too (:
05:54<cousin_luigi>peterS: it's a custom kernel, will try booting via pxe and see if that module works at all
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05:56<che>peterS: I'm not too familiar with ip but the output is nice, though there aren't many interesting ipv6 routes heh
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05:58<peterS>che: the initial impetus for migrating to 'ip' was the advanced features that tools like 'ifconfig' did not support at all. for example, to add a second address to an interface, you just say 'ip a add dev eth0'. with ifconfig, as I recall, you can't do that at all - you end up creating sub-interfaces like eth0:0 and eth0:1, which is kind of horrible.
05:58<che>peterS: though the extra routes it shows might not be worth my confusion - the routes are identical for ::1 and my link local address
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05:59<che>peterS: ahhhhh, that makes sense. I guess I'll have to start thinking about changing my ways
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06:00<peterS>ip is confusing, except to network engineers that are accustomed to commercial routers. apparently ip syntax is quite similar to the syntax Cisco invented for their routers
06:01<che>oh god that's disappointing
06:01<peterS>well I say it's confusing but what I mean is until you get used to it
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06:02<peterS>and I do like the ability to abbreviate words in a command ('ip a' instead of 'ip address')
06:04<che>definitely - that's the only better thing than argument tab completion
06:04<peterS>anyway see 'ip help', 'ip addr help', 'ip route help', etc. The help syntax is another thing to get used to (:
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06:05<che>do you have any insight into iptables with ipv6?
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06:05<peterS>I haven't used iptables with ipv6, since I mainly just use iptables for NAT, not for firewalling, and obviously NAT is not an issue in ipv6
06:06<che>what would you use for ipv6 firewalling?
06:06<peterS>(well I say 'obviously' but it's only obvious if you know that IPv6 has no NAT at all. It is not needed - every service that needs a public IP can just have one, since there are plenty.)
06:07<peterS>I suppose I would use iptables - but in fact I've only ever deployed IPv6 at home, where I don't bother with firewalling as I'm the only one here
06:08<peterS>I mean, if I don't want a service to be available, I uninstall it
06:09<che>Yeah I see. I'm just slowly going through all my old ipv4 knowledge and trying to update it to ipv6 (:
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06:10<peterS>che: anyway, the kernel ipv6 stack supports varous iptables features but it looks like you use ip6tables to manage it, rather than iptables
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06:12<che>peterS: have any experiences with nftables?
06:12<peterS>no I do not
06:13<che>right on, well thanks for all the info. much closer to my goal now!
06:13<peterS>great, have fun
06:14<peterS>one of these days I'll have enough time at work to start rolling out v6 in our datacenters. unfortunately the ROI on ipv6 for commercial purposes remains low, so I can never get it to the top of my todo list
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06:15<che>yeah it's time for us since we're moving over to ipv6-enabled embedded devices
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06:46<BuOpath>hi there
06:46<BuOpath>what r u guys doing
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06:47<SynrG>help people with debian support issues. for debian social, see #debian-offtopic, or non-debian social, see #moocows
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06:48<BuOpath>i dont understand anything
06:49<BuOpath>what is this program
06:52<BuOpath>yes i got it u gauys are writing programs
06:52<BuOpath>best wishes guys
06:52<BuOpath> bye
06:52<babilen>BuOpath: and please take general questions like this to a difference channel (e.g. #help) -- -- this is a channel for support of Debian (
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06:54<astrodeb>hello everyone! i have netinstall installation stuff. i want to install debian using advanced installer. but fist i want to use command line and set up partitions and after that start advanced installer using a command like "advanced-install" or whatever. is it possible?
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06:56<Hatter>is there a factoid about the heatbleed bug ?
06:56<astrodeb>could anyone help me?
06:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
06:56<jm_>Hatter: there's DSA for it
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06:57<Hatter>jm_, thx, I will go read.
06:57<astrodeb>is it possible debian netinstaller start with command line, and after that start advanced installer using a command?
06:57<Hatter>I really should revoke all certs re-issue then shouldn't i ?
06:58<astrodeb>Hatter, yes
06:59<themill>Hatter: also in /topic
06:59<Hatter>not fun to do 50 servers and multiple users at each server :(
06:59<astrodeb>seriously no one knows about my question?
07:00<Hatter>jm_, themill, thx
07:00<Hatter>and astrodeb
07:00<jm_>no problem
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07:01<babilen>astrodeb: I don't think you can. You can preseed the installer, but that wouldn't work like you want it to. We might be able to give better advice if you would tell us what you are actually trying to achieve.
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07:02<jm_>shouldn't be a problem to partition things manually anyway
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07:03<astrodeb>babilen, its ok. you didn't know the answer of my question when i asked in freenode :)
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07:04<astrodeb>ok. let me ask this way. is live cds include advanced installer stuff in them?
07:04<babilen>astrodeb: So, cross-posting now, eh?
07:04<babilen>astrodeb: You can install from the live CDs, yes.
07:04<astrodeb>babilen, but does it have advanced installer like netinstall has?
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07:05<astrodeb>if so, what command should i use to start advanced installer?
07:05<babilen>Are you referring to the "expert install" ?
07:05<astrodeb>ah yes
07:05<babilen>I honestly don't know, I never use the Live CDs for installation.
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07:06<astrodeb>which channel can i ask this quetion in this network and can get answer?
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07:07<babilen>#debian-live comes to mind if you are interested in the live CDs
07:07<jm_>#debian-live on
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07:07<babilen>But then, there might be a more appropriate channel to help you with whatever it is you are actually trying to achieve.
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07:19<Hatter>so a box that is squeeze which is unaffected by the openssl bug, which now got upgraded to wheezy, would not have to reissue certs ?
07:20<OdyX>Hatter: up to you to decide. But if the heartbleed bug was never exposed, there's no reason to believe your cert' private key was exposed.
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07:22<SynrG>Hatter: the logs will give clues?
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07:22<Hatter>are you aware of any programs written to make key creation quicker and easier ?
07:23<SynrG>Hatter: you can find in dpkg / apt logs when things were upgraded and if at any time a buggy version was present, and if so, correlate with accesses to services.
07:24<Hatter>synrg, yes, i have just found two boxes that are still oldstable, which i believe is unaffected. the rest are wheezy though :(
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07:24<SynrG>Hatter: provided there's a security line at the time of upgrade, the security versions are preferred
07:25<SynrG>Hatter: so in theory, everything is ok
07:25<SynrG>Hatter: a sufficiently paranoid admin could just check, though
07:25<SynrG>as there are always corner cases (broken apt pinning, etc.)
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07:34<shaysteptowe>Hello could I please get some help?
07:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:23<crisobal>soy ala
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08:24<themill>!ubuntu-es crisobal
08:24<dpkg>crisobal: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
08:24<crisobal>linux es fenomenal
08:24<gavaussa>que hice el tio
08:24<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
08:24<crisobal>que dice er corgaooo
08:25<crisobal>viva ala
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08:27<Hatter>I have just attempted and upgrade from squeeze to wheezy and got this : E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgstreamer0.10-0'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
08:27<Hatter>I seem to remember this once before, but can't find any of notes on it.
08:27<Hatter>I seem to remember reverting back to squeeze and updating dpkg or apt ?
08:27<Hatter>anyone have any clues ?
08:28<weasel>you should always start with upgrading apt and dpkg,
08:28<themill>although that's not always really possible for squeeze->wheezy
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08:28<themill>weasel: perhaps you could suggest that to the release notes editors who removed it
08:29<themill>dpkg: tell Hatter about squeeze->wheezy failures
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08:42<Hatter>this is what sorted it out : Another possible workaround for this problem is to temporarily add both squeeze and wheezy sources to your sources.list and run apt-get update.
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08:42<Hatter>it feels strange to put both squeeze and wheezy both in sources.list...
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08:45<Bladee>has anyone had any problems dealing with updating openssl?
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08:45<Hatter>except brain freeze problems and late at night staring at computer square eyes problems ?
08:46<devil_>Bladee: describe your problem, do not ask if others have...
08:47<Bladee>well, openssl has been updated to 1.0.1g and nginx/php-fpm have been recompiled under the new openssl, but its still throwing vulnerability errors at me.
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08:47<Bladee>another eyebrow raiser is when another service is being booted up it throws the openssl I compiled when I first started working on the server, which was 1.0.1e
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08:48<Bladee>I've deleted the old .so and recreated the symlinks in usr/lib so I'm kind of lost
08:48<Bladee>and I am by no means an expert, of course
08:50<somiaj>Bladee: what version of openssl does dpkg -l say you have?
08:51<somiaj>Bladee: it sounds like you compile a lot of your own software? how are you manging this software? Maybe you have some vuln openssl libs floating aroudn from this
08:51<Bladee>oh, well thats interesting... somiaj its reporting 1.0.1e-2
08:51<devil_>like libssl1
08:51<Bladee>libssl should've been fixed as well.
08:51<somiaj>then you haven't updated openssl, what version of debian do you run?
08:51<somiaj>sounds like you are running testing?
08:51<devil_>Bladee: it is, but you need to install it
08:52<somiaj>that is not the version of openssl on squeeze
08:52<somiaj>where did you get that package? The versino of squeeze was not effected by the vulnability at all
08:52<Bladee>I compiled the openssl myself
08:52<somiaj>then it will be up to you to compile the fix yourself, did you compile a debian package or just source install in /usr/local?
08:53<somiaj>But if you want to take advantage of the debian security packages and the work they do to keep thigns secure you should really be using debian packages. (:
08:53<Bladee>compiled it from, make && make install in /var/tmp
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08:54<Bladee>yeah, I'm just confused why its still reporting the older version
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08:54<changeminick>hello from russia
08:54<devil_>Bladee: because dpkg knows nothing about your package
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08:54<Hatter>why would you want to compile it yourself ?
08:55<Hatter>openssl version -a
08:55<somiaj>running make install you are subject to where ever that script puts things and as devil_ said dpkg does not know anything about software installed this way. If you are going to chooose to compile your own software you should get something like stow to help you manage it. Also be careful, if you have a debian openssl package isntalled (dpkg -l | grep ssl) and then isntall it from source you have multiple versions of this libary on ...
08:56<somiaj>... your machine and this can also cause issues.
08:56<Bladee>OpenSSL 1.0.1g 7 Apr 2014
08:56<Bladee>built on: Tue Apr 8 19:55:49 EDT 2014
08:56<Bladee>that's why I'm confused
08:56<Bladee>but yeah I see now something isnt right
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08:56<Nikon-M>So, if I have have hurricane electric ipv6 but it's not configured with my router, is there any way I can get it on just my debain machine?
08:56<ixi>why build it yourself Bladee ?
08:56<ixi>any reason?
08:57<somiaj>my guess is you have installed various versions of openssl on your system in various places, now you get to go track it down and fix it. Using debian binary packages would have made this a lot easier, but you are kinda left to manage your own system this way.
08:57<babilen>Bladee: You might want to simply installed the fixed packages from Debian. They also come with the advantage that they are actually supported by us.
08:57<somiaj>babilen: since he is running squeeze with this mess, he has a bit more to do than just install it that way. (:
08:57<Bladee>ixi: I didn't have a particular reason, but I also compiled php-fpm and nginx from source with openssl. habit I guess.
08:57<babilen>squeeze isn't even affected by this
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08:58<Bladee>somiaj: whats the easiest way to track this mess down?
08:58<somiaj>Bladee: My suggestion is backup data, install a fresh wheezy install and use debian supported packages.
08:58<Hatter>debian with apt and dpkg means all the yucky compile stuff is done by the smart people :)
08:59<Hatter>I agree with somiaj
08:59<somiaj>Bladee: there is no way we can guess what you have done over the years to this system. If you didn't have in place some tool (such as stow) to amange all this software you are compiling and isntalling we cannot guess what has been done to your system.
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09:01<ixi>Bladee reinstall
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09:29<trico>if i have an email server with ssl/tls, is it vulnerable to heartbleed? how can i check? i found tools to check https, but not imap or smtp
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09:29<SynrG>trico: if it uses libssl1.0.0, it's vulnerable
09:30<SynrG>trico: upgrade
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09:30<SynrG>and restart all services (reboot is the best way to ensure you got them all)
09:31<trico>ok. is there a tool or site to check those protocols though?
09:32<babilen>trico: /
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09:35<ThCTLo>does anyone has a cups version compiles for debian wheezy but 1.6.3 or higher, of any hints where to find this one. Ive hit bug 703423 ( kerberos auth ) and i see its fixed in 1.6.3 and higher, and im unable to recompile cups 1.7.2 back from sid or jessie.
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09:42<zykotick9>SynrG: while i agree rebooting is easiest method, because of this ssl bug, i've learned of "checkrestart" part of debian-goodies package which is a very close 2nd ;)
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09:45<babilen>ThCTLo: What is the problem with the jessie/sid version?
09:45<ThCTLo>i need to recompile cups back to wheezy. and thats not possible because of an error.
09:47<ThCTLo>this is the problem:
09:47<babilen>dpkg: tell ThCTLo -about ssb
09:48<ThCTLo>i think dpkg is offline ;-)
09:48<babilen>ThCTLo: You will have to backport and install in the following order: 1. fonts-dejavu-core 2. libqpdf-dev 3. libcupsfilters-dev 4. cups-filters 5. cups
09:48<babilen>dpkg: ping
09:48<dpkg>Yes, babilen you are either online or you are not...
09:49<ThCTLo>that i know but libqpdf-dev can be backported ( at least im getting , an error )
09:49<babilen>ThCTLo: The bot informed me that it sent you a message :-/
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09:49<ThCTLo>ah.. yes, i see it now.. :-)
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09:49<babilen>ThCTLo: Is that the error you pasted? Sorry, just trying to understand and I can't infer everything :)
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09:50<ThCTLo>yes, the paste is the error im getting.
09:51<babilen>ThCTLo: Okay, did you check the top level README?
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09:51<ThCTLo>wel there isnt, but i did check the source online, ( ) i tried the : --disable-os-secure-random
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09:52<ThCTLo>but even then im getting errors.
09:52<babilen>okay, I guess I'll just wait until you told the complete story ;)
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09:54<ThCTLo>Ok, im working with samba4 ( sernet samba ), i need kerberos auth for cups, this works, but on every page i get access denied, i see that kerberos is authenticated.
09:55<trico>guess i have a fun weekend of resetting passwords... yay
09:55<ThCTLo>so i found debian bug 703423 , thats my problem.
09:55<ThCTLo>its fixed in 1.6.2 and above
09:55<ThCTLo>wheezy has 1.5.3, that why i need a higher cups version.
09:56<babilen>ThCTLo: Yes, but you obviously tried a few more things that you have so far not mentioned. Which errors did --disable-os-secure-random give you? Where is that documented (the README being referred to) ? What have you tried after *that* and what was the outcome of *that* ?
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09:57<ThCTLo>there : at the end you find
09:57<ThCTLo>( the --disalbe ... )
09:58<ThCTLo>i check for the existance of /dev/random and /dev/urandom both exist.
09:58<babilen>ThCTLo: So you didn't read -> Random Number Generation ?
09:59<ThCTLo>no, looking into it now..
09:59<ThCTLo>ah, is the same as i did read already
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10:00<babilen>So you do have /dev/{a,u}random on your box but you run into error "Don't know how to generate secure random numbers on this platform. See random number generation in the top-level README" ?
10:01<ThCTLo>yes /dev/random and urandom exist
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10:01<ThCTLo>i did recompile more already on this machine, this is the first with any error.. which i cant fix :-( ..
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10:02<babilen>ThCTLo: Does it compile if you compile with the suggested "--enable-insecure-random" ?
10:02<ThCTLo>no, fails also. have to look in to the error.
10:03<babilen>ThCTLo: So you didn't try that but you know that it fails?
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10:03<bofh80>rargh - so i just rebooted my main computer (am typin this from my laptop) after some updates yesterday morning (first in a month or so...) and some more updates just now before i restarted. any my wireless card has quit working. :S
10:03<ThCTLo>i did try that, thats wy i know it fails, ment, if you want to see the error, i have to look it up.
10:03<babilen>You did not mention that you tried that too
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10:04<babilen>(hence: complete story)
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10:05<jerome>hey guys, just saw that , wtf?
10:05<ThCTLo>( sorry ) :-/
10:05<babilen>jerome: → #debian-offtopic please
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10:05<bofh80>i tried booting the previous kernel - no difference - it seems to load the driver correctly. but then it says it deathenticated from MAC address (blah, my router i assume, gonne check that) by local choice. if i ifdown ifup it says network down blah blah and wlan1 doesn't show in /sbin/ifconfig
10:05<bofh80>am in the wrong channel sorry
10:06<Bladee>figured out the problem, thanks somiaj and ixi
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11:28<karl>hi, i have a problem on testing: i compile cinnamon from git and now it seems i get a problem with apt: Die folgenden Pakete haben verletzte Abhängigkeiten:
11:28<karl> libclutter-1.0-0 : Beschädigt: libcogl12 aber 1.14.0-3 ist installiert.
11:29<karl>to resolve it wants to remove libcogl12 which removes cinnamon
11:29<karl>any idea what to do ?
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11:42<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
11:43<petn-randall>Oh, you asked on #debian-next, that's a better place for this bug.
11:44<karl>yep, just realized a minute later
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11:45<araneus>is there a way to get Thunar version 1.2.3 (Debian Wheezy with XFCE) to recognise digital cameras (PTP)
11:47<towo`>libmtp shoud be installed
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11:52<araneus>but is that not for the MTP (Music Transfer Protocol), not related to PTP (Picture Transfer Protocol)?
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11:55<araneus>and I seem to have that already installed by default: libmtp-common, libmtp-runtime, libmtp9)
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11:55<araneus>and sorry, it was Media Transfer Protocol, not Music Transfer Protocol
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11:57<araneus>in Debian Jessie this works okay (Thunar 1.6.3), just connect the camera to compure with USB, and Thunar immediately shows the icon in the left --> click to access the camera
11:58<towo`>maybe thunar in wheezy is to old
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11:58<araneus>sure, it is a bit old version in Wheezy
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11:59<araneus>just hoping I could get to to work somehow... upgrading Thunar itself creates too many dependencies
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12:32<somiaj>araneus: not sure if you can backport just thunar or not, but backporting all of xfce is a bit of a chore in wheezy
12:32<somiaj>,check-backport thunar
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12:33<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:33<judd>Backporting package thunar in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libexo-1-dev (>= 0.10.0), libxfce4util-dev (>= 4.10.0), libxfce4ui-1-dev (>= 4.10.0), xfce4-panel-dev (>= 4.10.0).
12:33<somiaj>araneus: yea looks like you would have to backport a good amount of xfce to get a newer version of thunar into wheezy, which might be a difficult chore
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12:38<somiaj>anyi: if you have a question about debian please ask. If you want a social channel try #debian-offtopic
12:38<somiaj>also this is an english speaking channel, read teh following for spanish
12:38<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:38<enand>my sound gets distorted when my computer slows down (usually when opening a large image on a web browser, for example). I'm on Debian sid 64-bit and running ALSA.
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12:41<awal>enand este canal es para debian estable (ahora wheezy). Sid tienes que ir a #debian-next
12:43<enand>will do, thanks.
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12:48<araneus>somiaj: yes, too many dependencies... hoped I could do it with minimal changes
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13:04<imavlr>If I want to install testing, should I first do a minimal stable install with no desktop environment, and after upgrading to testing, install my DE of choice through tasksel?
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13:06<petn-randall>imavlr: Yes. And you should be aware that you don't get security support, and things occasionally break and you should now how to fix them.
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13:06<somiaj>imavlr: one things is testing is still vulnable to the openssl bug
13:07<quoter>hello everyone! i think there is a bug in the chromium wrapper script, is anyone around with sh scripting to assist? :)
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13:07<imavlr>petn-randall, somiaj: Noted, thanks.
13:08<awal>imavlr, if you are a medium/advanced debian user you should try Sid instead of testing....
13:08<somiaj>quoter: is this on #debian-next issue or wheezy?
13:08<petn-randall>somiaj: Not as of today :)
13:08<somiaj>petn-randall: oh did they do something to push the fix to testing faster, I thought normal packages took longer to get though sid into testing
13:09<ScottE>somiaj: openssl fix is in jessie...
13:09<somiaj>awal: I to suggest sid over testing, but each has it's own set of issues. Most feel safer with testing
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13:11<quoter>wrong button :)
13:12<awal>somiaj, that's true testing maybe breaks less then sid and need less attention but time for fix bugs is an important thing...for personal home use (not productive) and being carefull sid is very interesant. its my opinion :)
13:12<somiaj>awal: yup, that is how I describe it, one breaks more and gets faster fixes, the other breaks in different ways and gets slower fixes, though i'm surprised the openssl fix moved so quickly though sid
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13:13<daemonkeeper>It was aged.
13:15<quoter>somiaj: any suggestion where to ask with the bug?
13:16<somiaj>quoter: you could check, though if it isn't a major bug it most likely won't get any attention.
13:16<awal>somiaj, personally I have various machine and so I can use all debian versions. If I had just 1 machine I believe I'll use just stable :)
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13:17<somiaj>awal: my one machine was sid for years, but now I have a work laptop and that is stable. I tried sid on it and got tired of fixing my machine when I was supose to be working
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13:18<quoter>somiaj: yeah, it's not a major bug, but someone with wrapper script experience could solve it probably
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13:18<somiaj>quoter: well report it, though I woudl check if it was in testing/unstable as well. Maybe it has been fixed there and they are not going to backport the fix to stable.
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13:19<awal>somiaj, exactly, No all people have time for being all the time handling with bugs and reconfiguring Gnome for example with each major update. machine for work = stable version. :)
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13:23<awal>somiaj, my sid machine doesn't boot sometimes with the latest new beta grub version. Imagine I have just 1 machine and I need it for my work 24/24 :P
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13:25<somiaj>awal: that use to be me, I have done work from a live image once, though I dn't work that much so it was doable at the time
13:26<awal>In debian wiki there is a sentence about using sid and it's very wise in my opinion " [...] It's your machine, after all. Just don't cry if it breaks. "
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13:27<bobi1024>hi guys
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13:28<bobi1024>my question is not exactly debian related, but how can you pass to zsh init-file like you do it with bash
13:28<bobi1024>is there such thing at all or you have to do it another way
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13:29<dualbus>bobi1024: I think there's a zsh channel in freenode
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13:32<bobi1024>ok cool
13:32<dualbus>but it does load .zshrc, .zprofile, and so on
13:32<bobi1024>thank you
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13:33<bobi1024>yes I know that, but I want to start a terminal with alternative config of zsh
13:33<bobi1024>i will go ask on the zsh channel
13:33<bobi1024>thanks once again
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13:34<Medeman>Hey there, my OpenSSL won't update via "apt-get update" and then "apt-get upgrade" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" - I'm running 'jessie/sid' amd64 and no update is even showing up...
13:34<somiaj>Medeman: are you running jessie or sid?
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13:35<somiaj>Medeman: in general jessie doesn't get secuirty fixes quickly. This fix was aged so it has moved into testing, but it still may need to propage though the mirrors.
13:35<Medeman>somiaj: "cat /etc/debian_version" outputs "jessie/sid"
13:35<somiaj>Medeman: you should know which one you are running, look at your sources.list or 'apt-cache policy'
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13:42<Medeman>somiaj: Well okay, thanks for your help, there was indeed something wrong with my sources.list - it's now fixed, phew :)
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13:59<defcon102>a yo
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14:51<usrnix>Is 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 vuln to heartbleed?
14:52<dpkg>Versions of openssl prior to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 (wheezy) and 1.0.1g-1 (sid) are vulnerable to DSA-2896 (see Check the version of the libssl1.0.0 packages: «aptitude versions '~i?source-package(openssl)'». See also
14:53<usrnix>Ok, good to know I'm being taken care of
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14:57<nocturnal>how can I check the mysql users ulimits if I don't have pam_limits in /etc/pam.d/sudo ?
14:57<nocturnal>I've increased them in /etc/security/limits.conf and rebooted
14:57<nocturnal>ugh nvm I guess I can just add it to pam temporarily
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15:04<naphelge>running crunchbang on deb stable (wheezy)... did a big update/upgrade yesterday (first one in a month or two) and having a problem... how can I fallback or rollback to my previous config? ubuntu used to offer that option in bootup screen, but now the only other choice I have is safe mode which drops me to root prompt but does me little good since I have no clue what my problem is
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15:11<somiaj>naphelge: crunchbang is not debian stable, they are different.
15:12<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. #crunchbang on See <based on debian>.
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15:13<naphelge>ok thanks
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15:55<rryoumaa>what language is that? looks middle eastern.
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16:05<sinerasis>if i'm setting up nginx/php/mysql is there a recommended order to do that?
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16:05<iste>how do I enable multiple audio sources with alsa?
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16:13<somiaj>iste: by default alsa should be using dmix (it's software mixing tool for multiple sources). If you use a .asoundrc you can overwrite this, or if pulseaudio grabs the devices it sometimes disables it too
16:15<iste>alsamixer said something about pulseaudio before
16:15<iste>now I have multiple channels
16:15<somiaj>dpkg -l | grep pulse
16:15<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep pulse
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16:16<iste>Apr 09 16:58 : alsa_mixer: Failed to read mixer for 'My ALSA Device': no such mixer control: PCM
16:16<iste>in the mpd log
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16:17<iste>Failed to create secure directory (/run/user/1000/pulse): Permission denied
16:17<somiaj>I'm more intersted in if you have pulseaudio installed or not
16:17<somiaj>those errors seem like you need to configure mpd for the correct sound card
16:17<somiaj>is your user in the audio group?
16:18<iste>I have pulseaudio
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16:18<che_>I'm trying to mount (as root) a smb share from one linux machine on another but I keep getting "mount error(1): Operation not permitted" - what should I try?
16:18<che_>smbclient confirms that the share exists and all should be well
16:18<iste>and I'm in the audio group
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16:19<iste>ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1022:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
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16:20<somiaj>iste: then you need to configure your sound soruces to use pulseaudio (not alsa). I'm unsure how to do this myself.
16:20<somiaj>as I haven't used pulseaudio
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16:20<iste>hm okay, gnu/linux is kinda messy with audio if I'm right
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16:21<somiaj>eh only because of crapy hardware and people each comming up with their own solution
16:21<centrx>I thought OSS had been banished
16:22<somiaj>if the hardware wasn't so crappy it wouldn't be an issue. I have been using a good sblive hardware for years, not one problem in either oss or alsa, no need for additional sound servers
16:22<somiaj>centrx: there is actually an oss4, I think it still has developement
16:23<somiaj>,v oss4-base
16:23<iste>I have a shitty realtek card
16:23<judd>Package: oss4-base on i386 -- squeeze: 4.2-build2003-1; wheezy: 4.2-build2006-2+deb7u1; jessie: 4.2-build2007-2.1; sid: 4.2-build2007-2.1
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16:23<joe>Aaron: Raspberry Pi morphs into $30 SODIMM-style COM
16:23<centrx>iste, You might need the firmware realtek driver
16:23<iste>I think I have a spare creative card somewhere too
16:23<somiaj>iste: dmix works okay for my uses, I would only suggest pulseaudio if you need some of it's advanced features
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16:24<iste>the card is Realtek ALC887
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17:02<kraiskil>Just updated my wheezy, and sound broke in all browsers (i.e. iceweasel, but chromium doesn't seem to work either now). Audio itself does work from other applications. Would anyone have a quick hint on what broke/how to fix?
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17:04<Sycamore>kraiskil: pulseaudio?
17:04<kraiskil>no clue - only ever touched the volume control :) i.e. whatever is the default in wheezy
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17:06<kraiskil>/usr/bin/pulseaudio is running, according to 'ps'
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17:27<pheanex>what would you say is the easiest way to build yourself a custom debian-cd with some additional packages on it?
17:27<dondelelcaro>pheanex: in general, you could just stick packages on another CD
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17:29<pheanex>dondelelcaro: yes i know but for some reason it has to be on the same cd debian comes with, i already tried simple-cdd but it seems to be broken for a while now and with the tool debian-cd it seems like you need a whole debian local mirror(thats a bit huge)
17:31<dondelelcaro>pheanex: it actually doesn't, assuming you have the additional CD set up properly and load it when the installer asks for additional CDs
17:31<ljsoftnet>i need to refresh the tab where there's a youtube video to play it, is there something wrong with my network?
17:31<dondelelcaro>pheanex: but in any event, see for some details
17:32<SamB>ljsoftnet: could be Google's problem
17:32<ljsoftnet>SamB your having the same issue? too?
17:33<SamB>ljsoftnet: no, I've just heard stories about youtube's CDN being flakey
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17:33<ljsoftnet>SamB ok
17:34<cyberanger>I've seen it act up when latency is high
17:34<cyberanger>or on college campus right as last class gets out, network congestion
17:35<pheanex>dondelelcaro: i know it does not (technically) have to be on the debian cd, would be nice though. The modifying way i also stumbled upon recently, but is there no way to really build a clean minimal debian custom cd/dvd image(iso) like from scratch? how are the official cds created?
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17:38<dondelelcaro>pheanex: they're created using the debian-cd package
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17:39<dondelelcaro>pheanex: see for some more details
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17:40<pheanex>dondelelcaro: okay, but there is no way around that full-debian-mirror-clone? I dont want to have to download it completely just to be able to use a few packages for my small cd
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17:42<pheanex>dondelelcaro: i'd probably better ask that in #debian-cd ?!
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17:45<cyberanger>pheanex: perhaps something like APTonCD or
17:45<cyberanger>not quite what your asking, but it might do what your trying to accomplish
17:45<cyberanger>and yeah, #debian-cd might have more insight for you too
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17:46<pheanex>cyberanger: thanks, ill take a look at that
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17:47<cyberanger>pheanex: I recall doing what your asking for a few years back, involved chroot and a dozen steps, sometimes I got a working image, sometimes not, I don't remember much about what I did, but I remember why I gave it up
17:48<pheanex>i had also another idea, can i maybe use a jigdo template and modify it, so i get what i need?
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17:48<pheanex>cyberanger: what was the reason?
17:48<cyberanger>my time was limited and it made sense for hundred installs, but not tens of installs, to go through the steps, test the image
17:49<cyberanger>it was easier to just do a minimal install, and use keryx, or just some handmade scripts and apt
17:49<cyberanger>or even dpkg (that's a last resort, but it did work)
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17:51<Marillion> APTonCD is a good way to clone your system to another
17:51<pheanex>i mean why is this so hard? all i want now is take a minimal debian iso, put my deb packages on it, tell the installer to also install those and not more ;-), maybe change the splash image or so but thats it
17:52<Marillion>and you can add any packages what you want
17:52<centrx>pheanex, Isn't this what Jigdo is for?
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17:53<pheanex>centrx: as far as i understood jigdo its core-job is to imporve the download due to the distribution of parts
17:53<pheanex>centrx: especially because you seem to need the iso in order to be able to create the jigdo template
17:54<pheanex>marillion: the intention behind this whole process is to create some kind of a custom distribution
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17:57<cyberanger>pheanex: idk if it's hard, it's custom work, obscure knowledge (cause few do it, compared to the community at large with apt-get)
17:57<Marillion>pheanex: i see, the the different with APTonCD creates is, you must change the CD, not more :)
17:57<cyberanger>and I could have done something as innocious but important as fat fingering my keys, causing a typo
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18:01<pheanex>marillion: it would be rather uncomfortable (having 2 cds) just for another deb package, especially if theres still space on the first one
18:01<cyberanger>pheanex: bear with me, maybe 5 minutes tops
18:01<cyberanger>I'm going to try to dig up some old notes from back when I did this more
18:02<pheanex>cyberanger: of course i will resort to this way, but only if theres nothing nicer ;-D
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18:02<pheanex>cyberanger: that be great
18:03<pheanex>i mean i already did all that easily with centos ... but centos is .... centos ;-)
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18:05<Marillion>pheanex: ok, the first one is your installer like minimal-iso, the second is your own packages on it, but anyway it was a try to explain another way, the decision sia yours :)
18:05<cyberanger>yeah, I get it, I prefer debian, but work prefers client choice
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18:07<pheanex>marillion: yeah ill maybe really have to do it that way, but its not the nicest ;-) i really appreciate your help
18:07<petn-randall>somiaj: Yes, they pushed it through, guess it was a special occasion. :)
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18:07<Marillion>pheanex: :) no problem ;)
18:08<cyberanger>pheanex: my notes show I used a few methods, the two I got to work the most were
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18:09<cyberanger>(despite that being an ubuntu doc, it worked on a squeeze install image, or at least that's what I wrote down)
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18:10<cyberanger>I had even more success with Reconstuctor, mentioned in the how to geek article
18:10<pheanex>cyberanger: oh great i havent found those yet.
18:11<pheanex>cyberanger: i dont want to make it harder than it already is, but i somehow even have to automate the whole process, and reconstructor seems to be only GUI?
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18:12<cyberanger>you have to automate making the cd image or installing it mutiple times?
18:12<pheanex>making it
18:12<cyberanger>this would have you make the disc image once, but you could use the image mutiple times
18:13<tonyyarusso>I see that testing has Apache 2.4.x - does anyone know if there are plans to get that into wheezy-backports?
18:13<pheanex>cyberanger: okay, but the ubuntu manual seems really interesting
18:14<cyberanger>not sure how you'd automate it (or why you'd automate that part, that's where you want to tweak it differently each time, otherwise you'd just keep using the same disc image)
18:15<cyberanger>but if you need to do that, then yeah, the debian live build scripts or that ubuntu help link is worth a closer look for you
18:15<pheanex>cyberanger: it would be part of a software development cycle: new software -> new package -> new cd
18:16<cyberanger>ah, so you'd really be updating at that point, not customizing, yeah, either automate or create your own repository for updates (or both)
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18:16<cyberanger>and if you did your own repo, still need some automation, now I get what your going for
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18:18<pheanex>and of course the softwaere is proprietary and you have to pay for it -> no repo out in the wild and the target machines are probably always in a separate (disconnected from the internet) network ...
18:18<pheanex>cyberanger: i already automated the whole repo/package creatin stuff nicely with jenkins there ;-)
18:20<cyberanger>yep, sounds like my previous employer's effort too, I stayed away from development, but since it was more a installation, configuration and maintance issue, I was part of that
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18:20<pheanex>yep seems im in your former position now haha
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18:21<pheanex>how did it turn out there?
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18:22<cyberanger>I enjoyed it, we got it running, but we did have a repo too (also used apt-transport-https and did authentication on it) and the software was of limited use
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18:22<cyberanger>we got it to work, somehow
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18:24<pheanex>sounds like you could be happier about it ;-)
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18:26<cyberanger>oh, don't get me wrong, reason I try to stay away from development is I'd never see production if I had my way
18:26<cyberanger>I enjoyed it, it was frustrating (as a challenging problem should be)
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18:28<cyberanger>but we did it, it worked, and we had a few support issues, simple stuff (time clock was off, fix the clock, amd64 disc on i386 machine and vice versa, etc)
18:29<cyberanger>didn't enjoy a layoff later, but it wasn't personal, mostly I just wish I could have done some more polish, but it wasn't needed
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18:32<pheanex>i guess development can be really nice too ;-) . and your own project is never finished, isn't it? whats the title of your job now, if you don't mind me asking?
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18:36<che_>is the INPUT iptables chain just for packets destined for that machine itself? aka, if I -A INPUT -j DROP, would that block all forwarded/NATed traffic?
18:36<che_>I'd try but I kinda like not losing remote access to the machine...
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18:38<somiaj>che_: I think it effects any packets that go though that machine, that sounds like it would block all traffic
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18:39<somiaj>actually looks like I'm mistaken, INPUT chain – Incoming to firewall. For packets coming to the local server.
18:40<somiaj>FORWARD chain – Packet for another NIC on the local server. For packets routed through the local server.
18:40<somiaj>but I would still be weary before locking yourself out
18:41<somiaj>but if you have a NAT going on your packages are going to that server than it is routing them to the right spot, so that is where I was mistken.
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18:46<che_>hmmm ok
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18:47<che_>think i'll just put together a couple VMs to test to be sure
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19:50<SamB>how rude
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19:53<SamB>texlive-metapost-doc's bugscript tells me not to report up-upstream bugs there, but doesn't really give any information on how to look them up ... guess I'll have to figure it out myself ...
19:55<themill>SamB: you can tell the maintainer how to do it at the same time...
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20:26<lnxcat>does anyone use ubuntu 12.10 here does that count as a debian
20:26<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
20:26<sney>(no ubuntu does not count as debian)
20:27<lnxcat>not realy looking for help per say just info
20:28<lnxcat>ok then debian is good I can do that too
20:29<sney>if you have a debian question, ask it. if you have an ubuntu question and you just s/ubuntu/debian/ we will probably notice and that's not really welcome. ;)
20:30<lnxcat>does the new debian use the sudo comannd for log ins
20:30<supaman>if you just want to chat then there is #debian-offtopic :-)
20:30<lnxcat>not ssure if I say that corerect
20:30<sney>sudo is available in debian but not installed by default except under certain circumstances. (gnome brings it in, I think, and there's also a point in the installer where you can get it)
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20:31<lnxcat>thats what I needed to know cause I hate that pjrogram
20:32<sney>it's a useful tool I find, but it's definitely excessively relied on by a lot of people who don't know what they're doing
20:32<lnxcat>so debian does give u a choce then thats good ubuntu does not
20:32<sney>debian gives lots of choices, it's one of the major advantages
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20:33<lnxcat>I have an old debain 2.2 system can I make that work with an updated kernel library and x
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20:33<lnxcat>or is it more trouble than its worth
20:34<SamB>lnxcat: that's ... bound to be pretty old, whatever version number that is ...
20:34<centrx>Linux 2.2
20:34<sney>wow, 2.2, that's the version I started on. 13 or so years ago
20:34<sney>better just install fresh
20:34<SamB>I think that's older than what I started with over a decade ago
20:34<sney>even if you could upgrade, it'd take a week at least
20:35<SamB>if possible, get a new computer to install it on too
20:35<lnxcat>does debian still allow cnr-alt -backspace to shut down x and go into text mode
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20:35<SamB>lnxcat: if your X configuration has that key combo enabled, yes
20:35<SamB>I have no idea what the default is though
20:36<lnxcat>can it be enabled on a new debian
20:37<SamB>Option "DontZap" "off", which seems to be the default
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20:37<SamB>see the xorg.conf(5) manpage
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20:37<lnxcat>ok then what does new debian use for but manager grub lilo or some other
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20:38<SamB>lnxcat: I think grub is probably the default on PC
20:38<sney>grub is, yes
20:38<lnxcat>ok why will not boot a dos fat32
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20:39<SamB>boot it how?
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20:40<lnxcat>well ubuntu configure grub to boot allnewer os but will not see a dos fat
20:41<lnxcat>in boot manager at startup
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20:43<sney>os-prober should be able to see dos/win9x or whatever, if it can't that's a bug
20:44<sney>I don't know how ubuntu does it but I don't think debian would have a problem. and if os-prober can't detect it you could still add it manually.
20:44<somiaj>are you running debian lnxcat, you are talking about ubuntu grub.
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20:44<somiaj>if uefi boot was used to boot grub, could grub still boot a msdos partition normally?
20:45<sney>that's about the only scenario where I can think of it not working automatically, though you could probably still chainload it, or have it on a separate non-gpt disk
20:46<lnxcat>no I am running ubuntu couse it configures the ethernet aoutamaticaly but but I am look to another that will do evrything that I want
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20:46<lnxcat>does new deb outo eth0
20:47<lnxcat>or do have to config manually
20:47<sney>if you have a network connection when you install, you'll still have it in the running system.
20:47<sney>and the desktop environments include n-m or wicd which will also bring it up
20:48<somiaj>lnxcat: there are lots of ways to configure the network. But the installer will usually set it up in the interfaces file for you by default unless you skip the set up the network step in the installer
20:48<somiaj>and if the installer sets up the network in the interfaces file network-manager will ignore it and not configure it
20:48<lnxcat>I dont like headaches
20:49<somiaj>if you are not expecting it, non-free firmware for a wifi card is about the only issue with network. From there pick and configure it with the method you like the best
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20:49<sney>a side effect of a system with a lot of choices is that sometimes things aren't completely set up in the way that some guy assumed you would want it
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20:50<sney>but regular wired ethernet with dhcp is almost always plug and play
20:50<lnxcat>ok not sure I like the assume its like ubuntu assumeing I want mega security
20:50<somiaj>though even some of those require non-free firmware, but less of them do
20:51<lnxcat>then I end up haveing to ahck my own file system to get any done
20:51<sney>does ubuntu have fs encryption recommended at install now? that's goofy
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20:52<lnxcat>I think so and idont think it recomended its the default
20:52<sney>well, if you want filesystem encryption in debian, the installer can do it for you, but you have to choose it yourself
20:53<lnxcat>I just let it do its thing and that what ended
20:54<lnxcat>yeah very frustrateing then I ask them how to get around it and I told not too for virouse protection reasons
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20:55<lnxcat>are virousesd that prevelaent in linix or no
20:56<lnxcat>i have never had a problem with it
20:56<lnxcat>in any os
20:56<centrx>Viruses are rare/non-existent
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20:57<uniqdom>Hi... I have experienced a crash in my system... mouse, keyboard not working... I needed to backup some files from my /tmp folder, luckily ssh was working... Now that I have rebooted the machine, I want to see what was the cause. which log should I read? /var/log/message show nothing that could trigger this crash.
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20:58<lnxcat>seeing as it is dangerouse to go on the net work in root what would be the worst that could happen with a virouse sya if someone wanted to be malicouse
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20:58<centrx>uniqdom, /var/log/{dmesg, daemon.log, kern.log, messages, syslog}
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20:59<SamB>lnxcat: they could own your computer and all the secrets either stored on it or passing through it
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21:00<SamB>or they could just use it to send spam emails
21:00<lnxcat>what secrets would a pritine filesystem have on it that they would care about ( a fresh intall in other words
21:01<sney>none in particular. but it could still join a botnet
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21:01<uniqdom>centrx, thanks :)
21:01<lnxcat>how much of the system could the own
21:01<centrx>lnxcat, All of it
21:01<sney>I had a server get compromised today, caught them trying to install a replacement ssh server that would probably log passwords
21:01<centrx>lnxcat, They can copy or destroy anything on it
21:02<sney>had to nuke that one from orbit
21:02<centrx>lnxcat, They can even eject your CD-ROM drive
21:02<lnxcat>all partitions and os
21:02<sney>the same access you have as root
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21:03<lnxcat>well I manually mount all partitions so they would have to now how I do that to damage I am thinking
21:03<sney>attackers are rare when you don't have a public facing machine anyway. if it's your personal desktop, it's barely a concern
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21:05<lnxcat>thats what i would think why anyone would go to the trouble of it with a personal pc is seems too trivial
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21:06<lnxcat>I have been called stupid idiat and fool and every other kind of name for doing that but I have never had a problem
21:07<lnxcat>how would I go abount getting some one to give me a virouse to stress test may machine
21:07<sney>a linux virus? heh. don't hold your breath trying to find one. viruses are much, much more common in windows environments. and even there they're not as bad as 8-10 years ago
21:08<SamB>centrx: *I* can't even eject my CD drive
21:08<centrx>You need to get the newest virus
21:08<sney>you could probably find yourself a rootkit somewhere though
21:08<lnxcat>what does a rootkit do exactly
21:09<SamB>hide, mostly
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21:10<sney>the purpose of a rootkit is to provide a root shell/root rights to a process or user that wouldn't normally have them
21:11<lnxcat>oh ok then i dont think I really have anything to worry about so I will have to download a newer debian and probably go with that
21:11<lnxcat>thanks for all the info
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22:22<rjsalts>is there any way to make the aptitude curses gui use utf8 encoding?
22:23<Arrowmaster>it should be already
22:23<Arrowmaster>is your system set to utf8?
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22:24<rjsalts>yeah, it's just not displaying properly when I'm using mosh
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22:24<rjsalts>with the modal dialogues, like updating cache, etc.
22:25<Arrowmaster>i dont know what mosh is but does it support utf8?
22:25<Arrowmaster>i used to have problems using putty with those dialog windows because putty didnt properly support some line drawing characters when set to utf8
22:26<rjsalts>it only supports utf8. It's a replacement for ssh that uses udp and persists if the client changes ip addresses, etc.
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22:27<Arrowmaster>well its probably the same issue i ran into with putty, you are seeing letters instead of lines around thos boxes right
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22:29<Arrowmaster>yeah i worked around that before by removing those definitions from terminfo so instead of using that line drawing method it would just use - and |
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22:32<rjsalts>Is there any way to change aptitude to use utf8 code points instead of switching to "line drawing" mode?
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22:36<rjsalts> seems relevant, but looks like it should be fixed
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22:45<rjsalts>export TERM=putty-256color seems to work
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23:35<nevyn>rjsalts: I've fixed that in the past by setting the font encoding in putty to utf-8
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23:39<rjsalts>nevyn: this wasn't putty, but mosh. mosh will not accept any non utf-8 locales
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23:40<rjsalts>nevyn: and it explicitly says it ignores the switch to alternate "line drawing" character set
23:40<rjsalts>nevyn: so curses stuff needs to use the utf-8 codepoints for line drawing, rather than the switch character set
23:41<rjsalts>nevyn: i.e. a termcap which doesn't support "line drawing" character set
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