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00:17<James>why does debian often take months after other distros (like gentoo) to fix security issues?
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00:23<awal>which arguments you have to say what you say?
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01:51<seeS>Hi, my sound no longer works. im using gnome and the sound setting shows only a digital output.
01:51<seeS>pacmd list-cards shows many others
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02:03<awl>good day gentleman
02:04<awl>need some advice
02:04<devil_>just ask
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02:04<awl>how to make my fn key work ?
02:05<awl>display, volume etc
02:05<devil_>well, that depends very much on the notebook
02:06<awl>i am using acer d270 mini netbook, but idk how to use it in linux
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02:08<devil_>awl: first of all you could run dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration and see if you can find a proper setting
02:08*devil_ needs to be off for a while
02:08<awl>let me try.. ok devil
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02:46<ihre>Is there an easy way to determine which packages were manually installed AFTER the base installation? I've tried "aptitude search '~i !~M'" yet that also returns packages like taksel and apt.
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02:49<jm_>ihre: combining that output with dpkg/aptitude logs should help if you know the installation time
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03:09<ginko>cimbakahn hi; do not ask to ask, if you have a question just ask and hopefully somebody will get back to you soon :)
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03:24<none>Hi guys as I'm new on LXDE i use default filemanager and i can see partitions but when i click on it (not authorized) probably need root/sudo so it can be mounted at gnome it asks password
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03:24<none>does that filemanager works different? can i change that?
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03:34<sakax>none: analyze your /etc/fstab
03:35<sakax>normally the option "users" should be available for each file system
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03:38<none>sakax, at gnome you saw partitions you click on (at manager i mean) then you give password so it can be mounted
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03:39<none>looks that LXDE works diffent .. not ask you for password if you haven't already mounted manual from what i understand
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03:39<none>i just ask if someone can verify the above cause its my first day with LXDE :P
03:42<ginko>none i always hated pcmanfm
03:42<ginko>can't confirm, can't help, sry
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03:44<ginko>none if you start pcmanfm via console (as root) can you mount it then?
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03:45<none>ginko, i did a manual mount and worked I'll try figure out that one too, I believe it is how pcmanfm works
03:46<sakax>just add users in your fstab for the relevant partition and it will work
03:46<sakax>users - Allow any user in the users group to mount the filesystem
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03:47<jm_>it doesn't mean that, any user can mount it regardless of group membership
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03:49<sakax>no jm_ that's user
03:49<sakax>he should add users
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03:50<jm_>the difference between "user" and "users" is that with "user" only the user who mounted it can umount it, with "users" this is not true
03:50<none>sakax, it should gonna check it on a bit
03:51<sakax>user - Allow any user to mount the filesystem. This automatically implies noexec, nosuid, nodev, unless overridden.
03:51<none>the other things i didnt like was that touchpad tap at laptop doesnt works by default and needed to added manual
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03:53<sakax>jm_: see also our wiki
03:53<sakax>user is clearified, user is currently misisng
03:53<sakax>if someone can confirm this we can update the wiki accordingly
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03:54<themill>sakax: can you provide any documentation to back up this?
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03:55<jm_>man mount describes both, "user" and "users"
03:55<themill>(fstab(5) does not include this and has a different meaning for "users")
03:56<Manu74330>hi everyone ! I'm looking for help about gpk-update-viewer, which doesn't work anymore with user account
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03:56<shirish>umm... does anybody know if there is a mailing list to know what changes/upgrades are in wheezy (like debian-testing-changes) is ?
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03:57<sakax>jm_ themill: man mount is not fully correct - it should be any user defined in the users group
03:58<sakax>jm_ themill :
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03:59<themill>from where?
03:59<shirish>Manu74330: found this, seems the index is not updated.
04:00<sakax>well i do not know if this is now a good source for confirmation but the fstab wikipedia page and the ArchLinux wiki mention it correctly
04:00<jm_>sakax: no, you are wrong, it doesn't work that way
04:00<yerba>shirish: I don't know but start here
04:00<sakax>themill: the pasted part comes from manual mount
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04:01<sakax>jm_: let's request confirmation by others
04:01<themill>sakax: and contradicts what you said earlier
04:01<shirish>yerba: I did see there but didn't see which tells me anything about stable-updates or something on those lines, I did see stable-announce but I guess that is for the bi-monthly snapshots thing.
04:01<themill>sakax: I'd look at the source code rather than poorly sourced wiki
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04:02<Manu74330>shirish: thanks, i'm reading it, even if it doesn't really matches my problem
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04:04<shirish>Manu74330: you can look through;dist=stable
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04:10<yerba>Hello people, I need some feedback for a software project and I'd like to hear what Debian community people think. Would it be reasonable to use one of the mailing lists for this? e.g. i18n which is related to what I want to ask
04:10<yerba>In addition, would debian-i18n be good for this purpose (i.e. it's not too small)
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04:20<Manu74330>shirish: nope, this documentation doesn't help me to sort it out. Thanks anymay
04:20<shirish>Manu74330: then the only way is to report the bug
04:21<Manu74330>shirish: yes, I think so. thank for the link
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04:27<I2EZ1ST>hi guys
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05:08<jakinowy>i must reinstall?
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05:10<jakinowy> i must reinstall?
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05:10<sailh_>[efnet] - set mode +nt on #sailz33
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05:14<themill>sailh_: can we help?
05:15<sailh_>[sailirc] <Sailie> how do i load the channel debain
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05:16<themill>sailh_: please disable that crap
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05:21<ginko>twitter: anyone using desktop client? looking for a way to follow people without following them (without getting their messages unless tagged); looking into various desktop client options atm, thank you
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05:47<calzifer>hi, i use awesomewm but I can't write a atmark (@) i tried to set the keyboard layout with xorg.conf.d and by setxkbmap -layout "de" but neither work
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05:48<jm_>you can't write @ where?
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05:48<calzifer>the atmark is alt+q
05:49<calzifer>but I can write for example alt+7 { or alt+8 [
05:49<jm_>see what xev reports for it
05:50<calzifer>XKeysymToKeycode returns keycode: 92
05:50<calzifer>XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
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05:52<jm_>92 is ISO_Level3_Shift here
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06:00<jm_>hmm maybe you have to use altgr-intl, not sure, never used it that way
06:01<jm_>or even lv3
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06:08<calzifer>what is intl?
06:09<calzifer>oh sry, i meant the whole time altgr
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06:11<jm_>yeah I figured you are using altgr for this, but after looking at xkb files I don't really know how to configure it
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06:12<jm_>do other characters work with altgr?
06:12<jm_>interesting, maybe look at xmodmap -pk output then
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06:15<jm_>try finding the one that works there
06:16<calzifer>ok, i found out something interesting... on my Logitech K400 the atmark works, but not on the Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic
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06:27<calzifer>hm, i have to go to the university now I am back again later
06:30<jm_>hopefully more people will be present who know how to do it
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06:31<jm_>but if one keyboard works and the other not I would look at what scan codes are returned
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06:36<philemon>Any solution to read Flash 11.4.0 on debian?
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06:38<jm_>philemon: what do you mean with that?
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06:43<philemon>I want to run run a game which need Flash player v11.4.0 or upper
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06:44<philemon>I tried chrome but still don't work
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06:45<jm_>you need to ask adobe about that
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06:48<philemon>I saw that ubuntu + chrome support this
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06:49<SynrG>chrome has its own internal flash implementation, the version of which on debian stable is probably much older than that in ubuntu
06:50<SynrG>,v chromium
06:50<jm_>chrome is also not in debian
06:50<judd>Package: chromium on i386 -- squeeze:; wheezy: 31.0.1650.63-1~deb7u1; jessie: 33.0.1750.152-1; sid: 33.0.1750.152-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 34.0.1847.116-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 34.0.1847.116-1~deb7u1
06:50<SynrG>that too
06:50<SynrG>but pepper can be made to run on chromium?
06:50<jm_>hmm not sure
06:51<jm_>heh so wheezy has newer chromium now :)
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06:51<SynrG>,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
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06:51<judd>Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.2~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 1.3; sid/contrib: 1.3
06:51<philemon>I'm on jessie/sid
06:51<SynrG>philemon: oh. you should be on #debian-next then
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06:51<SynrG>philemon: anyway, try pepperflashplugin-nonfree with chromium
06:51<jm_>nice, I was missing flash in chromium every now and then when I run it
06:52<angry>Hi, How are you?
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06:55<angry>In the Debian system, when SELinux is setting in enforcing mode, lightdm exactly work?
06:56<angry>lightdm is not work in my system.
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06:57<angry>Please help me!
06:58<jm_>angry: wiki says this
06:58<jm_>so you're most likely to run into some issues
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07:05<angry>jm_: Here is no same things.
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07:32<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
07:32<mczlatan>english please
07:35<frangor>"holla" is albanian?
07:36<frangor>s/holla/hola ;)
07:36<weasel>hola a todos
07:36<mczlatan>sup frangor
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08:12<philemon>SynrG, thanks it works
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08:14<SynrG>philemon: great
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08:15<remoteghost>philemon at last sort run flash on vm or alike maybe wine
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08:15<remoteghost>anyways running viruses like adobe flash that way can be netter
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08:30<none>Greetings cousin_luigi
08:30<cousin_luigi>module-assistant bitches about having the wrong header version, but everything looks fine to me. Where should I check if the running kernel and installed headers match?
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08:32<somiaj>cousin_luigi: uname -a gives you the running kernel version, dpkg -l | grep linux-headers tells you what linux-headers packages you have isntalled
08:32<babilen>cousin_luigi: module-assistant is typically not the tool you want to use these days. DKMS is a much better choice in most cases.
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08:32<somiaj>cousin_luigi: but I think we have an xy-problem here. What are you trying to install (don't see many use module assistant these days)
08:33<cousin_luigi>I need to create a module package for a custom kernel running on an embedded device.
08:33<jm_>you can do that using dkms
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08:33<cousin_luigi>Perhaps distributing the whole kernel would be better, but I'm trying to keep my options open.
08:34<cousin_luigi>jm_: Not practical on a device as limited as this.
08:34<babilen>cousin_luigi: I would strongly recommend to use DKMS for that
08:34<babilen>cousin_luigi: How so?
08:34<babilen>(and why is m-a better than dkms in that case?)
08:34<cousin_luigi>babilen: very low-power and limited storage
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08:35<cousin_luigi>babilen: Can I use dkms to build a package and then put it in a custom repository?
08:35<jm_>dkms is bash, module-assistant is perl, so i'd say m-a needs more stuff
08:35<somiaj>are you trying to build a module package on another machine then just push the binary over to the device?
08:35<cousin_luigi>somiaj: correct
08:35<jm_>but off now
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08:36<babilen>cousin_luigi: In which case neither DKMS nor nodule-assistant are what you want. Look into packages that package binary modules directly rather than those that compile them on the target machine.
08:36<somiaj>cousin_luigi: well did you see if you had the correct linux-headers or know where the headers for the kernel you are compling against installed.
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08:36<cousin_luigi>somiaj: yes, I can't find where the mismatch is
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08:36<The_other_cat>hello there. i'm running debian jessie. I want to login using the default graphical login manager to Xmonad by using .xinitrc, but it seems the login manager just executes xmonad and doesn't read .xinitrc. How can i change this (i guess it must be where the defauls debian wallpaper is set too)?
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08:36<cousin_luigi>babilen: like?
08:36<babilen>The_other_cat: You want #debian-next for testing/unstable support
08:37<The_other_cat>right, thx!
08:37<babilen>cousin_luigi: for example
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08:40<cousin_luigi>babilen: do you think I should simply pick the .ko from my tree and modify that package?
08:41<cousin_luigi>perhaps it's the best bet, yes, but is there a way to compile a module individually?
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08:45<babilen>cousin_luigi: No
08:46<cousin_luigi>babilen: Then I should create a proper source package and take it from there?
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08:47<babilen>cousin_luigi: You have to build everything from source for Debian. You, naturally, don't have to build every single make target nor do you need to enable building of *all* modules. This, naturally, doesn't hold true for guerilla-packages in which you can put whatever you want (e.g. see checkinstall)
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08:52<none>hello thiera
08:53<thiera>how are you ?
08:53<thiera>where are you from ?
08:53<none>good thanks have you got a question about debian?
08:53<babilen>thiera: This is not a chat channel, but a technical support channel for Debian. Please take it to #moocows or #debian-offtopic if you want to socialise. Thank you :)
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08:55<cousin_luigi>babilen: ok
08:55<abrotman>capslock :(
08:55<cousin_luigi>thanks for everything, bbl
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10:19<barnarossa>masuk mas
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10:20<william1>What is the package name for java 6?
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10:20<somiaj>william1: openjdk is what you want to search for, 'apt-cache search openjdk-6-jre or jdk I belive depending onw hat youw ant
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10:23<william1>somiaj: thanks. I had to use apt-get install -f then try again and it is going through now.
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10:24<somiaj>william1: what did you do to break your system you needed to fix an install? Be careful with installing unknown .deb files
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10:25<Mongo44>What is the best virtualization software for Windows 9x VM's?
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10:28<william1>somiaj: I tried installing a deb 7 skype on deb 8
10:30<william1>I put my virtualization server on my home network, can I access the Internet IPs on it without going in and changing them to local ips?
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10:31<william1>OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea 2.4.5) (7u51-2.4.5-2)
10:32<william1>apt-get install openjdk-6-jre
10:32<somiaj>william1: there is no deb8, sid installs the wheezy skype just fine, but yes you most likely have to apt-get -f install all the depends you were missing
10:32<william1>somiaj: It gave me 7.
10:32<william1>jre 7
10:32<somiaj>william1: you probabaly just have both on your system, 'dpkg -l | grep openjdk'
10:32<somiaj>so install the icedtea-6 package as well
10:33<william1>also doesn't show even 7
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10:33<areyouloco>try new java 8
10:33<william1>I want to launch the console redirection of a server that uses java 6
10:33<william1>It doesn't like anything other than 6
10:33<william1>I know that from viewing it from other machines
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10:34<william1>ok I do see a jre 6 with that command.
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10:34<william1>How to activate it in iceweasel?
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10:36<somiaj>william1: I would just remove the icedtea-7 package and install the icedtea-6 package, restart iceweasel
10:36<areyouloco>william1 need to link to plugins folder in .mozilla directory
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10:37<somiaj>ahh that might work to, just overwrite system settings with user settings
10:37<areyouloco>be carefull with java in iceweasel. remeber java has no 0day exploits it has EVERYday exploits:P
10:37<william1>I did apt-get install icedtea-6-plugin and it worked
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10:38<william1>just going to a specific IPMI console redirection and looks like it prompts to run every java
10:40<william1>Thanks for the help! I am in. NOw for another way for me to do this, if I put a 94.10.10.X machine on my home network, is there a way to reach it?
10:40<william1>I am going through the console now to change ip addresses
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10:41<WIP>hello, somebody can explain me what's difference between "#! [interpreter]" and "#[interpreter]" ?
10:42<somiaj>william1: you would have to change your subnet mask to allow for that much varriant
10:42<william1>thanks somiaj
10:42<somiaj>william1: oh wait, sorry I missread that, yea that is gonna be way off, subnet mask won't work there
10:43<somiaj>I read that as 192.168.10.x to tired
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10:47<somiaj>william1: note 192.168.1.x is an interal ip range and wont' be on the outside network. If you have a router on your internal network, you can set up port forwarding to reach anymachine on that network from the outside ip
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10:57<lastleo85>somiaj i need to setup tor on kali ... debian in short... can u help me
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11:03<SynrG>lastleo85: no
11:03<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
11:04<lastleo85>ok cool
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11:20<william1>somiaj: Ok I have this home network with a dom0 that is and set a domU in it for How can I tell my Debian machine to route through it?
11:20<sundara>how to include drupal chat
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11:45<nikit>im sorry, how can i see root password without reset password?
11:46<areyouloco>you cannot see root password I think. it would be too easy and too risky
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11:50<ncl>Yeah, there's no way to see passwords short of bruteforcing them, they're all stored as hashes
11:50<ncl>There's no recovery, only resetting/changing them
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12:11<wallzero>Greetings. I am booted into Xen but I still receive the error "Error: Unable to connect to xend: No such file or directory. Is xend running?" I am running Debian Jessie.
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12:12<wallzero>Why isn't xend running even after booting Xen?
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12:18<debianer_>Currently I´am installing debian 7 on a computer and I´am on the last screen (GRUB into MBR). The system also has windows xp and vista on it´s harddrive. (installation order: xp, vista, debian). But on the last screen the debian installer only found vista. Is it possible to run xp, when I install grub in the mbr?
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12:22<mtn>debianer_: should be possible. you may have to edit grub and chainload xp
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12:23<weasel>or maybe the windows bootloader will then offer the choice between windowses
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12:33<bst__>wallzero: See and #debian-xen on
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12:42<debianer_>mtn: i will try it. thanks.
12:42<debianer_>Is there a easy way to find out my external ipv4 adress? (for a bash script)
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12:47<debianer_>I found a few ways. But is there a way without contacting another server to find out my external ipv4 adress?
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12:52<Nikon>if i want to be able to use a command thats in /opt/ or elsewhere without having to navigate to the folder and use ./ how would i do it?
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12:52<Maulkin>Nikon: You need to set it in your $PATH environment variable.
12:52<Maulkin>Nikon: is handy for how to do that
12:53<Nikon>thank you c:
12:54<Maulkin>debianer_: basically, not really.
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13:12<Nikon>Is there any way to use RGB colors in bash?
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13:14<dondelelcaro>Nikon: that's a function of your terminal emulator, not bash.
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13:15<Nikon>Terminal emulator as in?
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13:15<dondelelcaro>Nikon: as in xterm or gnome-terminal, or whatever
13:16<dondelelcaro>Nikon: FWIR, most terminals support 256 colors
13:16<Nikon>i mean over ssh
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13:16<dondelelcaro>Nikon: that still is only a function of your terminal emulator
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13:17<dondelelcaro>Nikon: the remote computer sends terminal escape codes for different colors which are interpreted by your terminal emulator
13:17<Nikon>Xterm only supports 256 right?
13:17<dondelelcaro>I'm not sure if there's an RGB terminal escape standard
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13:18<Nikon>is there any way to do 24bit colors?
13:18<dondelelcaro>ah; apparently ISO-8613-3 specifies it
13:18<dondelelcaro>so xterm has some support for it, and konsole does as well
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13:19<somiaj>william1: not sure if you got a response, but look into setting up a bridge, there are some examples on teh debian wiki
13:20<Nikon>so Xterm might work right?
13:21<somiaj>At least when I worked with it (wrote a simple tcp prgram that sends escape characters), the escape characters only give you 16 colors despite you can reconfigure what they actually look like. Though I didn't look much deeper than that, 16 was fine for my needs
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13:22<dondelelcaro>Nikon: I think you'll need a custom patched version of xterm
13:22<dondelelcaro>Nikon: and a program which does it. Why are you bothering, btw?
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13:23<Nikon>dondelelcaro: because i want to have a nice terminal without having to configure each of my clients individually
13:25<dondelelcaro>Nikon: I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, though.
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13:26<Nikon>Oh, I mean I want to define colors for commands and such for my terminal sessions via bash so i dont have to reconfigure each time on my end
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13:28<dondelelcaro>Nikon: so generally you just configure those in your .bashrc on the remote system, and they'll just be fine on your end
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13:32<HydraHD>hola a todos
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13:33<HydraHD>alguien sabe como puedo saber si estoy detras de un proxy
13:34<HydraHD>o saben cual es el canal de hackxcrack
13:34<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:56<Nikon>dondelelcaro: so, when i use something like export PS1="\e[47m\u@\h \w> \e[m " it only does the first bit, not thw whole terminal, why?
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14:11<somiaj>Nikon: PS1='\[\033[01;33m\][\[\033[00;32m\]\u\[\033[00;31m\]@\h\[\033[01;37m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[01;33m\]]\[\033[00m\] ' -- that is my PS1 with escape colors, I'm using a slighty different format for the escape characters/colors not sure if that is your issue or not
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14:23<cupantae2>hi lads im looking to slightly move my screen to the right on my monitor. I cant seem to find a tutorial that dumbs it down enough. any ideas presume its something i need to do in xrandr. I think im using the free radeon driver
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14:25<guilherme>hi, I am using debian sid and my kde is a little bit unstable (I think is due too mesa10+bumblebee) and I was thinking about intall 2 window manager. Is it a good idea?
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14:27<natacha22>I have a problem -
14:27<somiaj>guilherme: first #debian-next is the place to ask such a question. Since the answer is quick, yes you can install another window manager (or even DE) and they should live side by side on your system. Just select which one you want to use when you log in form your display manager
14:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:28<somiaj>cupantae2: there might be more modern tools, but I'm not modern, try 'xvidtune'
14:28<SynrG>cupantae2: does your monitor have autoadjust in its menu?
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14:28<natacha22>I have installed xfce4 from a debian 7 install that was on gnome 3, following these instructions :
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14:29<somiaj>cupantae2: but yes SynrG is correct, this should be done with your monintor. If not xvidtune can move your position up/down and stuff and then print out a ModeLine that will make it default you can use in xorg.conf or xrandr
14:29<guilherme>somiaj: thanks a lot
14:29<natacha22>and now, when I boot, I end up on the command line, and I have no xfce or any graphical interface and I don't know how to start the xfce I just installed
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14:30<al_>hello, i have a problem thunar
14:30<somiaj>natacha22: simplest case is you just removed your display manager, 'dpkg -l | grep gdm3' do you see any output, does the line start with 'rc' or 'ii'
14:31<al_>i installed debian with the lxde desktop environment and i chose the session to be a simple openbox session, when i open thunar and want to mount a drive i get 'authentication is required'
14:31<somiaj>natacha22: if you login as your normal user you can try to run 'startx', that should get you into a graphical enviroment, though not sure if it will load xfce or not
14:31<natacha22>how to you type the vertical line ? I am typing from a computer that works and I have no easy "copy-paste" option
14:31<al_>shift + \ ?
14:32<natacha22>startx worked and I am now in XFCE!
14:32<somiaj>natacha22: I can't read teh whole howto on that wiki you linked, but first you should have put that info into the file .xsession (not .xinitrc)
14:32<somiaj>natacha22: second you need to install a displaymanager like slim, lightdm or something similar if you want a graphical login
14:32<natacha22>how do I make it so that it loads into xfce
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14:34<somiaj>al_: since I use root to do all my mounting of devices I have no experince with this. That being said seems you need to configure your system to allow thunar to mount stuff as a normal user. That may be something to look for on google
14:34<somiaj>natacha22: I just told you, install a display manager, 'apt-get install lightdm' was the suggestion on that webpage
14:35<somiaj>I guess it says use any, then uses slim as an example, pick one lightdm may be good enough
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14:37<cupantae2>hey again synrG
14:37<cupantae2>i dont think my monitorhas that feature
14:38<cupantae2>and somiaj
14:39<somiaj>again you could try xvidtune or other tools to see if a ModeLine will fix your issues
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14:40<al_>can i bypass polkit somehow?
14:41<somiaj>al_: you mean policykit, I think that is what you want to configure. It helps let underprivlage users have privlages to do certain things
14:41<al_>i want it to stop bothering me with the passowrd
14:41<cupantae2>yea i think my monitors a bit weird not having that ill try and find a firmware for it that does...
14:41<somiaj>al_: but sure, you can always mount as root 'sudo mount /dev/sdaX /mount/location'
14:41<al_>in the sudoers file i can have nopasswd:all
14:42<al_>but i don't know how to do that with the polkit
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14:42<somiaj>al_: since this is nto sudo you will have to configure policykit to do that
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14:42<al_>somiaj, can you point me to some resources that explain how?
14:42<cupantae2>any tutorials you guys might recommend on xvidtune?
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14:44<somiaj>al_: google gave me this, use at your own risk
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14:45<somiaj>al_: -- scroll down to the bottom, seem to show you how to change the config file to make it not ask passwords
14:45<somiaj>cupantae2: no, it should be self explanatory, there are buttons like 'left/right/wider/narrow' hit them see the result
14:45<somiaj>once you get it like you like, have it 'show' this will print the ModeLine to the termainl you ran it in
14:45<al_>thank you somiaj
14:46<somiaj>save that ModeLine, and then look up how to make that ModeLine default at boot
14:46<cupantae2>tinkering slightly withxvidtune "invalidmode requested" you have requested a mode-line that is not possible or supported with your hardware configuration
14:46<cupantae2>seems simple enough interface
14:46<somiaj>yea could be your eeid won't allow you to change things]
14:47<somiaj>again this is a very archaic tool for crt monintors, most likey you need to configure your monotor correctly
14:47<cupantae2>thanks for the help anyway
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14:48<cupantae2>bty i just went with a usb soundcard config , couldnt find anything about getting the audio out working with my graophics cards
14:48<cupantae2>graphics card*
14:48<somiaj>cupantae2: yea that is a very starnge setup, everyone I have seen has both a regurlar sound card and an HDMI one attached to it
14:48<cupantae2>thanks for the help today lads really great
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14:48<somiaj>do you not have any normal sound card pulgs on that laptop?
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14:49<cupantae2>nah im actually running debian on a hpmicroserver
14:49<cupantae2>setting it up as a htpc and learnign about linux
14:50<cupantae2>steep curve but fun in a sadistic way
14:50<somiaj>ahh well do you see any normal audio jacks. If you do maybe your bios has disabled the sound card? (just a random thought)
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14:51<cupantae2>well i installed a modded bios but there wasnt a port dy default
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14:52<somiaj>so yea if there is no phiscal card my idea doesn't pan out. Anyways just a random thought, looks like you are gonna ahve to stick with usb audio which works fine in my opinion
14:52<natacha22>well, xfce starts with the command "startx", but I have no network access anymore...
14:52<natacha22>any clue?
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14:53<somiaj>natacha22: most likely you were running network-manager, umm I dont' know off the top of my head the name of the command to get it to load in xfce (as I don't use either)
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14:53<cupantae2>hp had a deal and cash back on em fun learning, definitely appreciating the value of open hardware
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14:56<natacha22>what I use is a cable connection, we have no wireless in the house
14:56<somiaj>natacha22: network-manager can still manage those, but they are easier to manage than wrieless from the interfaces file
14:56<somiaj>!tell natacha22 about interfaces
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14:57<somiaj>natacha22: ps fax | grep network-manager and 'dpkg -l | grep network-manager' see if you have it installed still, if you dont' have it installed that is fine, if you do remove it, then set up your interfaces file
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14:58<cupantae2>is there a way to back up my graphics card setup if i want to try to install the proprietary dirver?
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14:59<somiaj>natacha22: -- if you have a simple dhcp setup with eth0 as your wired device, you need two lines that look like that in /etc/network/interfaces if they are in that file run 'ifup eth0' to bring your internet up
14:59<cupantae2>im thinking its not worth the hassle but curious
14:59<somiaj>if your card is not called eth0 you need to adjust
14:59<somiaj>cupantae2: how will you install the prioprity driver, just getting the fglrx drivers from the debian packages.
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15:01<somiaj>cupantae2: but installing from debian packages fglrx-driver from non-free and then removeing the debian packages can be done and you can go back to what is working now easy enough
15:01<somiaj>cupantae2: installing them from upstream, well that is anyones guess and you'll need some imaging backup system
15:01<somiaj>again it is never suggested to install upstream ati stuff in debian
15:02<cupantae2>I should avoid that like ther plague so
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15:04<cupantae2>thanks somiaj
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15:05<natacha22>what text editor can I use from the command line to modify the interfaces file?
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15:06<weasel>(or vi or emacs, but if you have to ask..)
15:06<Spidernet>natacha22: nano or vi
15:06<cupantae2>is there a reference site to go to before you buy hardware to see if it is compatible / supported for use with debian out of interest
15:07<lev_>how can I change spelling check in X-Chat to english, if my system is russian?
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15:08<natacha22>weasel: yes I need to ask :)
15:08<weasel>hence nano :)
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15:10<lev_>i just installed Debian wheezy, then installed Chromium through Synaptics. and now im trying to install flash player through synaptics, but it wont find it..tried to change sources, same result
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15:11<SynrG>You need contrib for flashplugin-nonfree
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15:11<devil>lev_: you need contrib in your source
15:11<lev_>SynrG, Synaptics don't find anything named "flash" or "flashplugin" or "flashplayer"
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15:12<devil>lev_: flashplugin-nonfree
15:12<lev_>i checked main contrib non-free
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15:12<devil>lev_: apt-cache search flash would help
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15:13<lev_>devil: finds flashrom, flashybrid, flasm, etc, not flash player
15:14<devil>lev_: you need to update after changing sources
15:14<lev_>devil: how?
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15:14<devil>apt-get update
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15:14<devil>then: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
15:15<lev_>devil: ok but it dont let me doing SUDO :D
15:15<lev_>devil: "is not in the sudoers file"
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15:17<lev_>devil: i updated through synaptics and found flash plugins, thanx. but still question how to enable sudo command
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15:20<SynrG>Install sudo and adduser youruser sudo
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15:21<SynrG>Logout of your user account and login again after
15:22<none>Hi all educational reason question is there any way to test crack my wireless? Which app is best for that?
15:22<lev_>SynrG: thnx
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15:23<natacha22>somiaj: that did not work. My /etc/network/interfaces file has 2 lines: first= auto lo second = iface lo inet loopback
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15:25<none>natacha22: what kind of problem have you got? wireless?
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15:26<lev_>SynrG: sudo is installed by default
15:27<natacha22>none: no internet, with an XFCE installation - cable connection
15:28<natacha22>none: I have removed gnome with the instructions on that page :
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15:30<s_i_m>natacha22, be more specific
15:31<none>natacha22: was it a fresh install or there was already one? can you give more details?
15:31<frangor>natacha22, you have network-manager ?
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15:32<natacha22>it was a standard gnome3 install - and I wanted to use xfce instead
15:32<lev_>SynrG: done. thanx
15:32<natacha22>I followed the above instructions to completely remove gnome and install xfce4 instead
15:32<natacha22>that also removed network-manager
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15:33<natacha22>and now i am typing from a different computer
15:33<quentusrex>anyone know the current 'best practice' for installing with the 7.4 net installer cd onto a system with an intel i217-lm NIC?
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15:33<quentusrex>seems the installer isn't able to detect the card with the included drivers, though lspci does detect the device as an ethernet connection
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15:34<none>natacha22: have you got there a terminal only and no internet what exactly?
15:34<s_i_m>natacha22, can you open a terminal window and run a few commands from the command line? or that will be too difficult for you?
15:35<natacha22>I can open a terminal
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15:35<natacha22>actually, xfce4 won't start right off - I need to log in on the real command line and then run "startx"
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15:36<s_i_m>natacha22, then do this: /sbin/ifconfig -a from the terminal to see that you have the network interface
15:36<none>after that do you login to gui natacha22 ?
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15:37<natacha22>s_i_m: the command you told me gives me 2 "paragraphs" : the first is eth0 and the second is lo
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15:38<s_i_m>does eth0 have an IP address assigned?
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15:38<s_i_m>you should be able to see it from the output
15:38<natacha22>what would it look like?
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15:38<SynrG>The usual way to login to xfce is using lightdm
15:39<s_i_m>natacha22, like: inet addr:
15:39<gianni>ciao a tutti
15:40<natacha22>s_i_m : I have HWaddr ac:c1:de:b7:54:aa
15:40<s_i_m>natacha22, you connect through a router?
15:40<natacha22>lo has adr:
15:41<natacha22>s_i_m : yes, through a router
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15:41<s_i_m>natacha22, check the file /etc/network/interfaces
15:42<natacha22>My /etc/network/interfaces file has 2 lines: first= auto lo second = iface lo inet loopback
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15:44<natacha22>if that makes any differences, the computer is a hp probook 4510s
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15:46<none>natacha22: type groups youraccounthere
15:46<none>and check if it is on netdev
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15:46<s_i_m>natacha22, you need to add eth0 to the first line "auto lo eth0" and these lines: "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
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15:49<s_i_m>you can find examples there.
15:50<quentusrex>is there a way to install the linux-firmware-nonfree during the netinstall process?
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15:50<s_i_m>quentusrex, yes, you need to put the firmware to a usb flash
15:51<s_i_m>it is described in the installation guide
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15:54<awal>natacha22, if you want debian/xfce (what is installed by debian installer when you choose xfce) you must install 'task- xfce-desktop' (=This task package is used to install the Debian desktop, featuring the Xfce desktop environment, and with other packages that Debian users expect to have available on the desktop.) and you will have LM (lightdm), 'network-manager' and 'network-manager-gnome' and all your problems will be solved. If you installed 'Xfce4' pack
15:54<awal>, so install 'network-manager' and 'network-manager-gnome' or 'wicd' if you dont want gnome dependencies. :) The debian wikki alomost explain how to install xfce4 not task-xfce-desktop......
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15:57<awal>if you install 'wicd' you may have to add 'wlan0' editing wicd preferences for wifi
15:57<awal>just suggesting.... :)
15:58<none>awal: yeah true haha
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16:00<quentusrex>s_i_m, seems the usb flash drive I've plugged in with the packages isn't getting mounted or scanned
16:00*s_i_m wishes network-manager to die a painful death eventually
16:01<s_i_m>quasisane, did you prepare it exactly as it is described in the manual?
16:02<digitline>hi, anyone using vifm file manager? it should be utf-8 compatible, but it seems it doesn't correctly show utf-8 characters like accent marks...
16:02<quentusrex>s_i_m, I was pretty carefule, but I'm double checking now
16:05<awal>natacha22, if you installed yet Xfce4 I believe you 'task-xfce-desktop' half installed yet. Do 'apt-get update && apt-get install task-xfce-desktop' and apt will install just the missing packages for have the complete debian/xfce ...
16:06<awal>that mean task-xfce-desktop
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16:06<s_i_m>quentusrex, what you have to do, if i recall correctly, is to download a tarball with the firmware and extract it to the flash
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16:07<natacha22>many thanks s_i_m - you have solved my problems!!
16:07<natacha22>I guess it was a good idea to take the name "natacha22", I'm a 34 yr old guy :)
16:08<quentusrex>s_i_m, no luck. I'm curios if there is a way to manually install the package from an install env command prompt
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16:09<natacha22>good day!
16:09<s_i_m>quentusrex, hm. that is a bit strange, because it normally works fine...
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16:10<s_i_m>natacha22, you are welcome!
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16:11<quentusrex>s_i_m, another strange component is that I've burned the netinst with the non-free drivers, and it still doesn't detect the NIC properly
16:11<s_i_m>quentusrex, was your flash formatted as FAT?
16:11<quentusrex>so I'm curious if the intel i217-lm network controller just isn't supported properly with latest wheezy
16:12<quentusrex>s_i_m, yes. /dev/sdc1 2048 15671295 7834624 b W95 FAT32
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16:13<quentusrex>hmm, when in expert install, does the non-free version of the netinstall have a different CD name?
16:14<quentusrex>I'm curious now if the netinstall cd I'm using, and thought was the one that included non-free, doesn't actually include them
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16:15<quentusrex>seems it might actually be a problem with this specific chip:
16:16<somiaj>quentusrex: the actual iso file has a different name, I'm not sure if there is any visable change in what you see when actually inside the expert install. You can open up a console and 'dmesg | grep firmware' to see if it was loaded or is missing
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16:17<somiaj>quentusrex: that more seems like he had his network card called eth1 instead of eth0. it could be possible you need newer drivers than are in the 3.2 kenrel for your card though.
16:17<somiaj>quentusrex: can you tell us what card you have? 'lspci'
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16:18<quentusrex>yeah, one sec
16:18<quentusrex>intel i217-lm rev 05
16:19<quentusrex>and it seems an intel i210 as well
16:19<quentusrex>it's a supermicro server with dual nic
16:19<somiaj>quentusrex: can you get me the pciid's of those two cards?
16:20<quentusrex>somiaj, just confirming, that's the first column in the lspci output?
16:21<somiaj>quentusrex: hmm, well a quick google serach makes me think you might need a backported kernel to support those carads as they are not supported by the 3.2 kernel (as far as I can tell)
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16:21<somiaj>quentusrex: you would have to look at the output of lspci -vvv and look for a four digit hex number followed by another one like 2728;aa28
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16:22<quentusrex>ok, here you go: i217-lm: 8086:153a and i210: 8086:1533
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16:23<somiaj>quentusrex: but assuming what I find on google is correct you will need a newer kernel. Luckly for you the netinstall has a fully funcitonal base system on it. You can use this to install a fully functional debian base system. Then you should go and grab a copy of the 3.12 backported kernel and dependencies
16:23<somiaj>quentusrex: install them with dpkg -i, reboot into the new kernel configure your network
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16:23<somiaj>,pciid 8086:153a
16:23<judd>[8086:153a] is 'Ethernet Connection I217-LM' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also
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16:23<judd>[8086:1533] is 'I210 Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also
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16:23<somiaj>,pciid 8086:1533 --release sid
16:23<judd>[8086:1533] is 'I210 Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'igb', 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also
16:23<none>Is there any way to test crack my wireless? Which app is best for that nowdays? aircrack a combo with something else?
16:24<quentusrex>oh, that's a very useful bot feature
16:24<somiaj>none: use google, I don't know of any off the top of my head (don't know why wireshark is comming to mind).
16:24<somiaj>quentusrex: okay it seems that wheezy doesn't know wnough and gives you strange modules, yes that backported kernel should get it to work for you
16:25<somiaj>none: wep is easy to crack, I belive wpa2 isn't as easy. But google 'wep encryption cracker linux' sure you'll find something useful. Also this really isn't a #debian support question not sure if ##networking (this might be on would be more appropriate
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16:26<ballison> says that heartbleed is fixed for wheezy in version 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 of openssl
16:26<ballison>i've upgraded to version 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7
16:26<ballison>and rebooted
16:26<somiaj>ballison: there have been a few more security fixes, and now it is at deb7u7 so it should be fixed. (:
16:26<ballison>when i test it using both the script and with qualys both say it failed.
16:27<ballison>somiaj: I've upgraded to deb7u7... yet every test says it fails.
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16:28<somiaj>ballison: What protocol server are you testing, could you have another version of openssl on your machine outside of the debian packages?
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16:28<ballison>somiaj: nope. I just have openssl
16:29<ballison>somiaj: testing https
16:29<dualbus>(also note that there's lots of bad scripts around the net with bugs that are supposed to detect heartbleed, check with at least 2 or 3 different)
16:29<ballison>both qualys and the script both say it fails
16:29<ballison>dualbus: the script dumps all the data to your screen so you can see all the data you should not be able to see
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16:29<ballison>so it looks like 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7 does NOT address heartbleed
16:30<ballison>confirmed with both a heartbleed test script AND Qualys scanner
16:30<quentusrex>thanks for the assistance somiaj and s_i_m
16:31<dualbus>ballison: in that case I stand corrected :)
16:31<ovf>hey, a request: any (happy?) owners of intel NUC, gigabyte BRIX or analogous small intel boxes please show me the output of " for s in /dev/ttyS[0-9]; do sudo setserial $s; done "? (and exact model of your box)
16:31<s_i_m>quentusrex, for nothing ;)
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16:31<somiaj>the debian packges are fixed for the heartbleed bug, but there are many reasons you could be failing a test. What https server do you use? How do you isntall it. (:
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16:32<ballison>somiaj: this is for a openvpn server. looks like i need to upgrade that as well.
16:33<ballison>i did a full server apt-get upgrade and did everything, but that's not enough apparently.
16:33<somiaj>well did you upgrade the host or the guest?
16:33<somiaj>both need to be fixed
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16:44<ixi>does anyone know if any combo of XMPP client and server supports delayed delivery of files? IE send a file to an online user and he receives it upon logging in
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17:37<lupine>ixi, small files could be done with data: uris
17:37<lupine>but it's a bit nasty
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18:03<KamiNuvini>Hi there, question.. I'm running mumble-server with mysql, so I want it to start mysql/wait for mysql to be started before it runs.. so I added mysql in the Required-Start/Required-Stop bit: # Required-Start: $network $local_fs $remote_fs mysql - however it still starts without mysql running. Does it need additional changes?
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18:12<ncl>KamiNuvini: see the man page for insserv
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18:14<ghaiem>hi all
18:17<ghaiem>How are you ?
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18:19<KamiNuvini>ncl: I see, I added it with insserv -v /etc/init.d/mumble-server - seems to work after a reboot. Is it supposed to work with a manual start/stop as well? e.g. I shut down mysql, shut down the mumble-server, then try to start mumble-server. Shouldn't that automatically start mysql first?
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18:21<ncl>I'm not sure
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18:37<Ardebian>Hi, is this chat only for debian stable?
18:37<mtn>Ardebian: mainly. there is #debian-next for testing/unstable
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18:38<Ardebian>Alright, I just wanted to say that I joined Debian around 6 months ago and have not used a more wonderful operating system,
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18:39<somiaj>Ardebian: nice to have someone who enjoys it that much. See lots of complaints here haha
18:40<Ardebian>What kind of complains? I enjoy the bare bones business.
18:40<somiaj>Ardebian: they range from trolls to someone is just upset because things have to be configured correctly and they follow some random bad advise that hurts their system
18:41<somiaj>but lots of it is frustration, oh knows my system didn't work, must be debian's fault. Anyways we are now living in the world of #debian-offtopic
18:41<Ardebian>Aww sorry
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18:42<somiaj>Ardebian: it is fine, My experience with debian is it is a great OS once you learn how to manage it. But it means it won't be an easy transition for people who aren't uset to manging things them selves but having it automatic
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18:43<Ardebian>I just jumped into Debian without even trying Ubuntu or opensuse
18:43<Ardebian>so the first week was a huge pain of the learning curve
18:43<somiaj>I found debian after two weeks of getting pissed at mandrake because it wanted to force me to use gui config tools. (:
18:43<Ardebian>I am still a noob sadly
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18:44<somiaj>this was in 2000 and been happy with debian ever since. Though I'm surprised my first install even worked, oi what I know now I totally did everything wrong and butchered it up
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18:45<Ardebian>Thats the thing though, Debian is your system. You do what you want with it.
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19:15<blink__>was lirc-modules-source removed from stable? im trying to figure out how to install streamzap support for lircd
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19:16<SynrG>,v lirc-modules-source
19:16<judd>Package: lirc-modules-source on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.3-5
19:17<SynrG>blink__: lirc is mainstreamed into the kernel tree, so ...
19:17<SynrG>no need for that anymore, really
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19:19<blink__>no need for that, but streamzap isnt detected by lircd anymore
19:19<blink__>worked in 6
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19:20<Brigo>,v streamzap
19:20<SynrG>there is a streamzap driver in the wheezy kernel ...
19:20<judd>No package named 'streamzap' was found in i386.
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19:21<SynrG>Brigo: hardware, not package
19:21<blink__>yes, in the kernel it works
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19:21<Brigo>ah. :)
19:21<blink__>i have org set to ignore it, but lircd doesnt list it as a supported device anymore
19:21<SynrG>blink__: maybe need to manually load the appropriate lirc kernel module?
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19:22<blink__>its already loaded, like i said, its detected fine by xorg, where i ignore it
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19:23<blink__>no supported drivers :(
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19:26<SynrG>blink__: i guess it's not supported through lircd anymore?
19:26<SynrG>i mean, maybe it is supported, just not through lircd anymroe
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19:28<blink__>its weird though, changelog only says when it was added, nothing about when it was removed...
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19:28<blink__>ir-keytable sees it
19:29<SynrG>inputlirc perhaps?
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19:29<blink__>yeah, moving on to that next i think.
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19:30<SynrG>seems these days these things just present as ordinary hid devices
19:34<dotut>hello has anybody used the chromium embedded project here to create simple webbased apps? basically you bundle to a libcef which has all the webkit/blink engine, etc.
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20:01<UserConfig>Perhaps I'm not seeing the documentation, but I'd like to edit the default home user directory to include a few config and text file alterations
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20:02<UserConfig>perhaps even a couple additional packages
20:02<blink__>SynrG: looks like inputlirc can handle it, thanks
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20:05<somiaj>UserConfig: look at /etc/skeleton (you can setup defaults for when a user is created and his home dir is made for the first time)
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20:05<somiaj>oh looks like it is now /etc/skel/ on my sid system, wonder when they changed the name or if has always been that
20:05<UserConfig>oh. thanks somiaj. is there any documentation on debian's site you know off-hand (i'm continuing my search now if not)
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20:07<somiaj>UserConfig: -- there is some policy, but the /etc/skel is a fiarly standard linux dir
20:07<UserConfig>ah, ok. thanks somiaj :)
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20:41<jlucero>need help with sound
20:42<amphi_>!alsa checklist
20:42<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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20:46<jlucero>how do I purge installed <oss4> packages?
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20:48<SynrG>jlucero: probably not applicable
20:48<SynrG>it's a very old factoid
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20:48<SynrG>i mean if you never installed oss4, it's not applicable to you
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20:48<jlucero>Lost sound after latest update.
20:48<SynrG>jlucero: update from what to what?
20:49<dpkg>SolydK is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on debian> with the KDE desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, use #solydxk on instead.
20:49<SynrG>jlucero: you're in the wrong place.
20:49<jlucero>okay. where do I go. I'm a newby here.
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20:50<SynrG>jlucero: as it says above, #solydxk on (not this network)
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21:22<ufd_>how to update grub?
21:23<ufd_>how to update grub?
21:24<ufd_>dpk: update grub
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21:24<ufd_>dpkg: update grub
21:24<dpkg>ufd_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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21:25<ufd_>dpkg: grub
21:25<dpkg>GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub squeeze>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. #grub on See also <grub legacy>.
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21:26<ufd_>dpkg: fixmbr
21:26<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI!
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22:38<nishit>Is there a solution for fullscreen flash playback in Debian Wheezy?
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22:38<nishit>I tried many workarounds found in Google search
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22:57<cinch>flash playback? what problem?
22:58<cinch>i've seen low framerates, maybe thats what he means
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