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00:00<mask>im using xfce if that helps, but i dont think the terminal is gui dependent...
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00:00<LtL>mask: i get this prompt, Display all 2521 possibilities? (y or n) i hit y and all those executables scroll by
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00:01<zykotick9>mask: what is it in GUI that you're doing? what do you want to know how to do in terminal?
00:01<LtL>iirc xfce did it too
00:01<mask>zykotick9, im just trying to learn more linux and figured it would be a good way to learn
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00:02<mask>LtL, hmmm, ill have to look for list all executables command and see if antyhing comes up
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00:03<LtL>mask: ok for terminal commands just do an 'ls' on these dirs, /sbin/ /bin/ /usr/sbin/ /usr/bin/
00:04<LtL>there should be man pages for all of them.. probably
00:04<mask>LtL, i see what youre saying, i was just hoping that there was a program that would show me how to 'translate' what i currently know how to do with the gui into commands that the computer could understand through the command prompt
00:06<LtL>mask: there isn't anything that does that, you can sometimes check 'ps aux' to see what is running from the gui, that entry is probably the very command to execute from shell
00:08<mask>LtL, zykotick9 ok well it was worth asking, thank you both much, one other question, have either of you tried apparmor or selinux for debian?
00:08<LtL>mask: try typing 'info' at the prompt. that alot of coreutils you should learn, also 'man man'
00:09<LtL>mask: selinux is a bitch, but tight. nothing know about apparmor
00:09<mask>LtL, yeah, i might just have to go to youtube to get started, man pages was always like trying to get a sip of water from a firehose
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00:11<LtL>mask: heh, you'll get used to it. one step at at time
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00:30<midnight>anyone monitoring?
00:31<chealer>mask: a GUI action doesn't necessarily have a corresponding CLI command
00:31<midnight>there is no spoon?
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00:32<mask>chealer, ok, thx much, i guess then ill just have to find other means to learn more linux
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00:32<LtL>mask: yeah, thats very true, i should have mentioned that, thx chealer
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00:39<sleser>guys how do i set system sound to alsa
00:39<sleser>its using pulse audio puls audio isnt doing good job at it .
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01:01<renfrendo>When I mount a cd-rom, and remove it, and mount another my system does not refresh, and show me the new cd-rom
01:02<renfrendo>its shos me the previous file names of the previous cd-rom, and the same if I were to navigate to it in /media
01:02<LtL>renfrendo: you need to umount it before removing it
01:02<renfrendo>I do
01:03<renfrendo>well i click the arrow
01:03<renfrendo>I do not use a command
01:03<LtL>renfrendo: try the command line way
01:03<jm_>so inspect what happens in a terminal
01:03<rryoumaa>is it normal to create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d and put something in there?
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01:04<LtL>rryoumaa: under normal circumstances no
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01:05<rryoumaa>LtL: x works fine for me except i want to make the cursor be software cursor. somebody posted that you can stick something in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
01:05<rryoumaa>should i create /etc/X11/xorg.conf instead?
01:05<renfrendo>"line way" is stuck
01:06<LtL>rryoumaa: i would use xorg.conf debian will recognize either one if it exists
01:06<jm_>it's better to use xorg.conf.d approach
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01:09<rryoumaa>thanks, i will try it
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01:10*rryoumaa guesses x has no feature where you replace the x server without killing all apps
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01:11<renfrendo>I am very scared to try and install this nvidia card in debian 7
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01:12<jm_>rryoumaa: nto by default, but there are apps that try to achieve it
01:12<jm_>renfrendo: why? just follow the wiki guide -- /msg dpkg nvidia
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01:12<jm_>that is, unless you have an optimus system
01:12<renfrendo>if I mess it up I will be out of a destop
01:13<renfrendo>and in consoleville, Im a nub sorry
01:13<renfrendo>ya I have the guides bookmarked
01:13<rryoumaa>jm_: huh.
01:13<jm_>just learn how to use IRC from a TTY in case you get stuck to be able to ask for help here
01:13<renfrendo>I tried to install that way in fedora once and it simply would not recognize the driver file
01:14<renfrendo>and lost my desktop
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01:14<renfrendo>I wish debian had a gui way to install video drivers like min/ubuntu
01:15<renfrendo>all in all I like debian very much though
01:16<renfrendo>I used umount command and it still is showing me previous cd-rom
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01:17<rryoumaa>ok, it seems that i have a Radeon HD 2400 PRO instead of an nvidia card. so the instructions won't work, presumably. what do i put for Identifier and Driver in xorg?
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01:19<renfrendo>thanks anyway, I must have something broken with the cd-rom issue
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01:21<jm_>you don't need a driver line if you're using free radeon driver
01:21<rryoumaa>jm_: does identifier have to match anything or can i just put random text in there?
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01:24<LtL>rryoumaa: you dont need that file if the free radeon driver works. afaik, the pciid would be nice to know
01:24<jm_>rryoumaa: it's just for you and other sections referencing it
01:25<jm_> has examples
01:25<rryoumaa>LtL: so a device section with nothing but an hwcursor line will work? don't i need to tell it what device i am trying to talk about?
01:25<rryoumaa>or does it figure it's the default?
01:26<jm_>it should work
01:27<rryoumaa>excellent, will try
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01:43<rryoumaa>hmm, well, it errored when i tried it. it said it needed an identifier line. so i added 'Identifier "Radeon HD 2400 PRO"', which did not produce any complaints. but now it seems redshift isn't working any more, even if i don't have that file there. if i do "redshift -b 0.6 -o -O 3700", it sets correctly for a fraction of a second and then goes back to normal.
01:44<rryoumaa>ah, i've fixed that also, by killing the daemon
01:44<rryoumaa>i will try again with the hwcursor
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02:02<rryoumaa>nope, setting swcursor to on did not work either
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02:02<rryoumaa>(although neither produces warnings)
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02:34<damocles>hi everybody
02:34<damocles>for a french help, what is the channel ?
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02:38<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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03:36<nocturnal>on squeeze rm: cannot remove `/var/lib/dpkg/lock': Read-only file system but mount shows /dev/sda5 (/var) as (rw). and sudo mount -o remount,rw /var says mount: cannot remount block device /dev/sda5 read-write, is write-protected
03:36<nocturnal>so all signs point to write protected HDD but this is a vSphere VM.
03:36<nocturnal>so the VDK is on a SAN with many other virtual disks.
03:37<nocturnal>and only /var is write protected, all other partitions work fine. on the same disk.
03:37<nocturnal>I mean vmdk
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04:09<zaurus> i need help
04:09<zaurus> i'm under wheezy kde
04:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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04:09<zaurus> i need to install vlc 2.1 from backports
04:10<zaurus>here my sources.list -->
04:12<nocturnal>reboot helped in my case. but lots of errors during diskcheck. must be FS issues.
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04:14<zaurus>jmcnaught: yes, but when i try to install with command --> sudo apt-get -t wheezy-backports install vlc i obtain this
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04:15<jm_>try adding those packages to the install command too
04:16<jmcnaught>zaurus: also you don't need to use sudo at the beginning of the command if you are already root
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04:18<zaurus>jmcnaught: ok but problem persist
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04:20<zaurus>jmcnaught: without sudo -->
04:21<jmcnaught>zaurus: did you try jm_'s suggestion of including the packages it's complaining about on the apt-get install command?
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04:22<jmcnaught>zaurus: "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install vlc vlc-nox libvlccore7 vlc-plugin-notify vlc-plugin-pulse" for example
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04:23<zaurus>jmcnaught: yes, this is output -->
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04:25<jmcnaught>zaurus: well it looks like it will install VLC from backports, but also upgrade some other stuff. sorry i'm not sure why
04:26<zaurus>anyone can help me??
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04:28<jm_>because they are marked as auto-installed, you can mark them as manually installed using apt-mark
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04:28<jmcnaught>i think his problem is that it also wants to upgrade libreoffice for some reason
04:29<jm_>yeah not sure on that one, might be worth trying to put it on hold and see what happens
04:29<zaurus>jm_:sorry i'm a new user, how can i do this?
04:30<jmcnaught>another option is just using the VLC that comes with Wheezy.. just saying
04:30<jm_>zaurus: man apt-mark
04:32<zaurus>jm_: ok thanks
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04:36<lamrz>hello everyone, I am giving it a try to recover some keyring files with Photorec. I see that it has no search option for "keyring" file type. do you know if I can somehow select a file type to make it search for keyring files?
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06:11<lamrz>hello, does mounting a drive read-only eliminates the need to create its image before deploying photorec on it?
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06:12<petn-randall>lamrz: Yes, though if it's a failing disk, I'd take an image before.
06:12<lamrz>petn-randall, it's a healthy disk. but could you please help me know how I can mount it read-only?
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06:14<petn-randall>lamrz: 'mount -o remount,ro /dev/sdX' <-- this will remount it read-only if it's already mounted.
06:16<lamrz>petn-randall, the disk has partitions, but I'd like to use the whole disk search with photorec. how can I make the whole disk read-only?
06:16<lamrz>entering /dev/sdb gives error, saying can't find in /etc/fstan
06:17<lamrz>or /etc/mtab
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06:23<lamrz>it gives the same error even if I enter the partitions separately
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06:25<petn-randall>lamrz: If there's no filesystem, there's nothing to mount.
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06:25<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: if the device is not in any of the *tab files, you must also specify the mount point.
06:25<lamrz>petn-randall, how can I change the command to specify it?
06:26<xiqsjvfy>for example, mount -o remount,ro /dev/sdXY /mnt
06:26<xiqsjvfy>would mount it at /mnt
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06:27<xiqsjvfy>note that you must specify not only the device (/dev/sdX), but also the partition on the device (/dev/sdX*Y*)
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06:28<petn-randall>lamrz: If you're running photorec on the whole disk, mounting one of the partitions read-only won't change anything.
06:29<jm_>to make the device readonly you can use blockdev command
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06:29<lamrz>I know nothing about readonly commands
06:30<lamrz> I entered "mount -o remount,ro /dev/sdXY /mnt" and it says "you must specify the filesystem type"
06:32<xiqsjvfy>You can't enter /dev/sdXY literaly. If you want the first partition on disk A, use /dev/sda1.
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06:32<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, I am not that beginner :)
06:32<lamrz>but thank you!
06:32<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: OK, just checking :)
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06:33<lamrz>for another drive without partitions, I tried the command without the last /mnt part, and it seemed to work
06:34<xiqsjvfy>As for the filesystem type, mount tries to autodetect it, but if it's exotic or damaged you must manually specify it with -t ext4 (for example).
06:34<petn-randall>lamrz: Please paste the full command + output to, along with 'fdisk -l /dev/sdX' of that device.
06:34<petn-randall>lamrz: Why do you want to mount the filesystem at all if you're running photorec on the block device?
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06:38<lamrz>petn-randall, I dont know what block device is. but I have usb drives from which I want to restore data. and I was recommended to create either dd images of these usb drives, or mount them read-only, in order to keep the drives "unaltered" by the process
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06:40<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: /dev/sdX is a block device, /dev/sdXY is a partition on the block device.
06:41<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, oh, ok. thank you again!
06:41<xiqsjvfy>The partition, in turn, usually contains a filesystem.
06:41<petn-randall>lamrz: /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 are block devices. If you mount them somewhere (e.g. /mnt/tmp), you can access the files with in the filesystem. Since you want to run photorec on the whole device (e.g. /dev/sda), there's no point in mounting the filesystem read-only, since you're not even accessing that.
06:41<xiqsjvfy>I'm not familiar with Photorec, but if it operates on the block device level, mounting the filesystem as read-only won't have any effect.
06:42<petn-randall>lamrz: As jm_ said, you can mark the block device as read-only with blockdev, but the safest bet is still to make an image of the device, unplug it and work on the image.
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06:44<lamrz>petn-randall, thank you! it will be much easier then! as far as I'm informed, while creating an image, I need to specify a file destination. will the file be then created by dd when I start imaging?
06:46<petn-randall>lamrz: Yes. You will need to be root to make the image, but then just change the ownership of that file to your normal user, and you can use photorec without root (which is a lot safer, only use root when really necessary).
06:48<john>Hello, new to this irc client. How do you do an effective search for channels?
06:48<lamrz>petn-randall, I am trying to recover keyring files. in that case, should I maybe be using photorec as root? just a novice thought
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06:49<xiqsjvfy>petn-randall: no need for root if the output is a regular file in a user-owned directory.
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06:51<petn-randall>xiqsjvfy: That's pretty much what I said, yes.
06:51<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, ok, thank you!
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06:52<lamrz>would this be the correct dd command for a HDD: sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/media/backup/restore.iso bs=1M ?
06:52<petn-randall>lamrz: Last time I checked, photorec didn't have a way to find keyrings.
06:54<lamrz>petn-randall, this is my central question, too, because among the file types that can be recovered, there are pgp/gpg, with a notice of "partially supported"..that's why I decided to give it a try
06:54<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: looks OK, but if your user owns the directory /media/backup there is no need for sudo. It's also not necessary to specify the bs option, but it doesn't hurt.
06:55<xiqsjvfy>Also, the output won't actually be an .iso, but the filename doesn't actually matter.
06:55<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, I understand, thanks!
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06:55<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, but I must write in a filename, right? when I left it only as directory, it wasn't accepted
06:55<petn-randall>xiqsjvfy: If you want to get it finished today, bs is useful :). I highly doubt unprivileged users are allowed to read /dev/sda.
06:56<lamrz>petn-randall, do you mean "sudo" must be included?
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06:57<petn-randall>lamrz: Try it without, it should give you a permission denied.
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06:57<xiqsjvfy>petn-randall: /dev/sda is brw-rw---T on my system. On the contrary, I suspect weirdness would occur if regular users were prevented from reading block devices they are supposed to interact with.
06:58<lamrz>but if the file will be created once I start recovering, how can I change its ownership to normal? or should I create it myself first?
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06:58<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: yes, you must give it a filename, but it can be anything. LordOfTheRings.mp4 would work just as well as restore.iso.
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06:59<petn-randall>xiqsjvfy: What? Since when do regular users interact with raw block devices? Unless you're root or part of the disk group, you won't be able to read or write to it.
07:00<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, thanks, you gave somehow an instant laugh to my concerned mind
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07:00<petn-randall>xiqsjvfy: It would totally undermine the whole purpose of having filesystem permissions if a regular user could just read the data off the block device.
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07:01<petn-randall>xiqsjvfy: There are services that run as root that make it possible for regular users to mount hot-pluggable block devices, but that's a completely different story.
07:02<xiqsjvfy>petn-randall: perhaps. I just tried dd:ing a USB drive to a regular file, worked perfectly.
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07:03<lamrz>can I just leave all permissions as they are? I cant sort out normal user rights
07:04<lamrz>besides, the whole HDD is sort of empty, not much for any unauthorized person to find
07:04<petn-randall>xiqsjvfy: Does the device belong to root/disk? Does your user belong to the disk group?
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07:06<lamrz>I created and specified a plain text file as destination, and I think it is being created now. I entered the command with sudo
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07:07<lamrz>at least the terminal is doing something
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07:07<adnako>hi guys
07:08<adnako>I catched a serious bug rigth now
07:08<jm_>you can send SIGUSR1 to dd to see the progress: killall -USR1 dd
07:08<adnako>cat /var/log/apt/term.log
07:08<adnako>Log started: 2014-06-05 09:28:42
07:08<adnako>(Reading database ... 42608 files and directories currently installed.)
07:08<adnako>Preparing to replace libgnutls-openssl27:amd64 2.12.20-8+deb7u1 (using .../libgnutls-openssl27_2.12.20-8+deb7u2_amd64.deb) ...
07:08<adnako>Unpacking replacement libgnutls-openssl27:amd64 ...
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07:10<lamrz>petn-randall, the command seems to be in operation on terminal, but no iso file is created yet at the destination folder.
07:10<xiqsjvfy>petn-randall: apparently so. I didn't add it there, so it must be the debian default.
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07:10<adnako>got a serious bug
07:10<adnako>after this upgrade my debian reboots every six minutes
07:11<adnako>nothing logs to console, just as Reset button pressed
07:11<adnako>a rolled back 2.12.20-8+deb7u1
07:11<adnako>and it works fine now
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07:14<petn-randall>adnako: I can't reproduce that problem, and I don't understand why a library update would trigger a reboot.
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07:35<adnako>I do not understand too
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07:40<petn-randall>adnako: I'd start digging since that's a security relevant fix.
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07:51<adnako>how can I help?
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07:59<adnako>last -x >
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08:00<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, petn.randall, the dd is still creating an image, can I ask you of other things I'm trying to know?
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08:02<ground>REGISTER vallabh
08:03<ground>sendpass ground
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08:03<icetee>jo schau on, a klognfurter debian user
08:04<ground>sendpass ground
08:04<themill>ground: you want to talk to nickserv, not us
08:04<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: go ahead
08:04<Brigo>ground, you have to send the messagess to nickserv
08:05<Brigo>ground, /msg nickserv REGISTER vallabh, for example
08:05<ground>how can I
08:05<Brigo>ground, and change your password, you has sent it to this channel.
08:05<ground>yes but how can I register
08:06<planetmaker> /nickserv help register
08:06<ground>i want to registe a nick name with the
08:06<ground> /nickserv help register
08:06<planetmaker>without the leading space ...
08:06<Brigo>ground, delete the first space
08:07<ground>REGISTER vallabh
08:07*jm_ smiles
08:07<ground>how can I find that I am registered with irc?
08:07<planetmaker> private messages are sent to a person or bot via /msg NICKNAME bla bla
08:07<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, I need my keyfiles, and the other solution would be to reconstruct my password. two ways to make the latter possible would be either to get a history of my clipboard for the last 3 months, or the history of my keystrokes for the same period. actually, it would even help to have the clipboard history of last monday. I could even almost tell the exact time interval. I never used a clipboard manager or keystroke logger. despite that is such a thing pos
08:08<planetmaker>you need to do all that with nicserv
08:08<Brigo>ground, from my link: /msg NickServ REGISTER <password> <e-mail>
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08:09<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: have you entered any of this into a terminal? If so, it should be in ~/.bash_history.
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08:11<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, no, I copied the password from the keyring program (seahorse) and pasted it into password window at nautilus.
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08:12<xiqsjvfy>hmm, in that case recovering the key files themselves is probably your best bet.
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08:13<xiqsjvfy>most (or maybe all, I'm not sure) file types have something called a "magic number". It's a hex number at the very start of the file which identifies what type of file it is.
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08:14<xiqsjvfy>If you can find out the magic number for gpg keys, you're chances would increase drastically.
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08:15<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, is this magic number different for every machine?
08:15<lamrz>or every system?
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08:15<xiqsjvfy>no, it's the same. I'm trying to figure out what it is for gpg keys.
08:16<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, is it the one in this article: ?
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08:16<jm_>file can detect some keyrings properly
08:17<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: yes, that looks about right.
08:18<lamrz>so I should look for "RFC 4880" in my recovered files?
08:18<xiqsjvfy>however, worryingly, when I run file on my own private key it just returns: "data" :/
08:18<jm_>for me it detects all 3 properly, but for apt it detects some OK and some as data
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08:19<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, is RFC 4880 the magic number for keyfiles/keyrings? and if it is, how would I do the search for the files?
08:19<ground>IDENTIFY ground
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08:20<jm_>lamrz: no, it's much more complicated,
08:20<jm_>so see you in N months :)
08:20<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: RFC 4880 is the standard in which the magic number is defined.
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08:21<lamrz>so what good is it?
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08:21<xiqsjvfy>If I understand the post correctly, the magic number is a hex string beginning with C5.
08:22<xiqsjvfy>I'm unsure how to go about recovering the data, but I imagine you'd need to pass it through hexdump and see if the output begins with C5.
08:22<xiqsjvfy>There may be a much better way to do it however.
08:23<xiqsjvfy>Also, that method seems prone to collisions.
08:23<lamrz>so how can I find out the "magic number" ? and to which file does it belong to, to those I want to find? if so, how can I hope to find the number while I am looking for the files themselves?
08:24<xiqsjvfy>I don't know, sorry :(
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08:26<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: It might be helpful to read man magic
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08:26<lamrz>xiqsjvfy,thank you, I will sure read it!.. just shortly returning to bash and dd; could you maybe help me know if bash history can be shown with dates of when commands were typed in?
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08:27<xmite>hi folks
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08:28<xmite>I've been going over this problem for a few days now... been using Debian for over a decade now and I've never had this before: I'm on a HP Compaq 6910p, running Sid & Gnome 3. Everything works, except I can't read any CD or DVD (let alone burn). When I hook up a USB DVD unit it works fine... any thoughts?
08:28<jm_>lamrz: you can enable that if you set HISTTIMEFORMAT, it's not set by default AFAIK
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08:28<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: It cannot; it's just a simple text file.
08:28<jm_>xmite: for sid try #debian-next
08:29<xmite>jm_: thanks
08:29<lamrz>jm_ where do I set it?
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08:30<jm_>lamrz: man bash, it's an environment variable
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08:31<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: export HISTTIMEFORMAT='%F %T ' would give output like: 2008-08-05 19:02:39 service network restart
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08:32<ground>SENDPASS ground
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08:33<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, but it shows today's date and time on my terminal, all history is shown with the past one minute.
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08:36<Stummi>ground, you are still doing it wrong
08:36<Stummi>ground, you have to write to nickserv, not this chan
08:37<ground>so please guide me
08:37<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: I see, that's unfortunate. There isn't much to be done about that, bash just isn't clever enough to figure out what part of the string is the date and which is the command.
08:38<xiqsjvfy>btw, according to the source code for file, the magic number for gpg keys is usually 0x9901.
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08:38<xiqsjvfy>The "usually" part is worrying, because exceptions do apparently exist.
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08:40<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, but I mean, somewhere in the bash logs this must be recorded with original date and time, mustn't it?
08:41<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: no, whenever you run a command it's simply appended as-is to ~/.bash_history.
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08:43<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, but it shows today's date and time on my terminal, all history is shown with the past one minute.
08:43<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, sorry, please ignore
08:43<lamrz>I mistyped my previous post
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08:44<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, thank you for the magic number. but I still don't know how to do the search with it. is it simply folder search? enter it via ctrl+f and search the directories?
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08:48<lamrz>I will start making a dd image of an external drive, does it suffice only to image the partition where the keyfiles have been deleted? the whole drive has only encrypted partitions, and this is one of them
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08:52<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: yes, the partitions where the keyfiles were located are enough.
08:53<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, great, thank you!
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08:53<xiqsjvfy>I'm not sure how the magic number should be used; I've tried hexdumping a couple of files, but the first hexstring does not correspond to what their magic number should be.
08:54<xiqsjvfy>I need to read up on the subject more to be able to give relevant advice.
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08:59<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: what filesystem is on the affected partition?
08:59<xiqsjvfy>If it's ext4, have you looked at the tool ext4magic? It's in wheezy backports.
09:00<xiqsjvfy>there's also ext3grep for ext3, and recover for ext2.
09:00<TobiX>xiqsjvfy: btw, if you have udisks or something like that installed, it might add ACLs to hot-pluggable device for the user logged in on the current seat... That is why you might be able to read the block device as a normal user
09:01<xiqsjvfy>TobiX: I do have udisks installed. I guess that explains it then, thanks!
09:01<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, thank you so much for supporting!
09:01<TobiX>xiqsjvfy: Does "ls" show the block devices as "brw-rw----+"?
09:02<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, it was ext4
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09:03<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, so for ext4 only ext4magic is deployable, I presume?
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09:04<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: should be.
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09:04<xiqsjvfy>there's also a tool called foremost in the regular repo.
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09:05<xiqsjvfy>I have no experience with either, so I can't say which is better.
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09:05<lamrz>as a matter of fact there is even a FAT-formatted presumably low-quality usb drive, but the file was wipe-deleted from that drive, so testdisk didn't return any files. photorec returned one gpg file, but I couldn't identify what it is yet, I can't import it to keyring program
09:06<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, I guess foremost works identically with testdisk or photorec or both..
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09:07<lamrz>if I can use a strong enough tool for the FAT formatted drive, it might be a chance
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09:24<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, the dd imaging of a 50GB partition was just ended after copying 4.3GB, for the reason of not enough space, whereas the target disk shows still 164GB free space.
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09:26<lamrz>just saw that meanwhile the imaging of the first drive is done successfully. yet I dont know the command to use photorec with disk images. it already lists the mounted disks themselves, but how can I make it search dd images?
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09:27<Ogofo>hi guys, i got problems with installing my kernel_headers with 'sudo apt-cache search linux-headers-$(uname -r)' says nothing while 'uname -r' says '3.11-2-amd64'. i need the linux-headers for virtualbox :(
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09:29<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: try giving photorec the image file as the first argument.
09:30<xiqsjvfy>It's strange that dd would report not enough space when there is, in fact, enough space.
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09:30<xiqsjvfy>That, to me, indicates that something might be up with the target filesystem.
09:31<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, oh, the target system is fat-formatted..could that make any difference?
09:31<petn-randall>FAT can only handle files up to 4 GB.
09:31<somiaj>Otter: try linux-headers-`uname -r`
09:31<lamrz>thank you petn-randall!
09:31<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: yeah, that would explain it.
09:31<somiaj>Otter: sorry the guy left
09:32<lamrz>could you help me with giving photorec the image file please?
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09:34<xiqsjvfy>photorec's man page is very sparse.
09:34<xiqsjvfy>I don't have it installed, but I presume it gives some examples if you run photorec --help
09:35<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, I'm trying to extract something from here:
09:36<vallabh>how can I install php5.5 on debian stable
09:37<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: honestly, I'd try a different tool first. Applications with man pages as short as photorec's are suspect, in my opinion.
09:38<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, like ext4magic? or would you recommend another tool?
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09:39<xiqsjvfy>As I said, I have no experience with any forensic tools. But foremost seems to have the most extensive man page, so I might start there.
09:40<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, but even more bizarre thing is, the dd image of a 160GB disk suited to a partition of 100GB size! is the actual HDD size irrelevant for the size of the image file?
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09:41<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: no, but did you dd the entire disk or just a parition?
09:41<xiqsjvfy>I'm not sure exactly how dd works; it might detect that there is no data beyond a certain point in a filesystem and just stop there.
09:42<xiqsjvfy>Although, you said it was encrypted? Then that wouldn't work.
09:42<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, since the command contained /dev/sda, it must have been the entire disk
09:42<vallabh>is any body here who completed zend PHP 5.5?
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09:43<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: That's weird then.
09:44<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, there are two partitions on the disk. one is the OS on which I perform the dd imaging. the other is a second OS, which, is, I guess, then encrypted, isn't it?
09:45<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: reading straight from a block device which has mounted partitions could very well result in strange behavior.
09:46<lamrz>meaning that I should have used live usb
09:46<xiqsjvfy>If I were you I'd create a new image with only the non-mounted partition (assuming that's where the key files were).
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09:46<xiqsjvfy>That would be even better.
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09:48<xiqsjvfy>PatidarWeb: would 5.6 work?
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09:49<PatidarWeb>what source.list have to use
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09:50<vallabh>is any body here who completed zend PHP 5.5?
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09:51<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, may I ask whether the same external drive is always represented with the same notation on a machine, like, is a particular external drive always /dev/sdb for a particular machine whenever you connect them, and never /dev/sdc ?
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09:53<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: Nope, unfortunately not. You can use udisk to enforce naming rules based on UUIDs, but by default disks are named after the order in which they come online.
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09:55<afink>anyone here who got Debian 7.5 working on apple Xserve? install was ok but first reboot gives me a kernel freeze at some PCI stuff
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09:57<somiaj>afink: I would do a quick google search, seems some apple's machines need some certain kernel parameters sent to it when it boots. I don't have expereince though.
09:58<afink>I dint find anything. as the installer boots without any problem, I was surprised that the final installation dint boot
09:58<somiaj>I know in the debian wiki for macbook pro this is an issue, and they have some suggestions of boot flags to send the kernel
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10:00<afink>checking that wiki, thanks for the hint
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10:09<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, sorry, I was disconnected, if you wrote to me.
10:10<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: I noticed. You missed nothing.
10:10<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, thank you for the details on disk naming!.. I am absolutely sure that I created the now locked-up partitions on this 160GB drive, and even the passwords were once saved in the keyring. since then the system is the same, and it's been about 2,5 months
10:10<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, therefore the primarily important partition is this OS on the drive. so I'd create the image of only this partition by using the other OS. this should be a smooth process, right?
10:10<lamrz>I'd refrain from live usb, because the usb speed is visibly lower than the hard drive's.
10:11<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: the usb's speed shouldn't matter, if both source and destination are hard drives.
10:11<xiqsjvfy>but yes, the process are you describe it should work fine
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10:12<xiqsjvfy>*as you decribe it
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10:12<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, yes, it will be much simpler than first creating a live usb, probably with a whole lot of installs
10:12<xiqsjvfy>going AFK for a while
10:13<lamrz>thank you! I will follow on with creating images
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10:29<kg>Hey guys, I ran dd on an usb drive and now my 32gb drive only shows 3.8 gb of unallocated space
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10:29<kg>is there a way to fix that or did I break the drive?
10:30<dualbus>kg: you "ran dd", that's pretty vague, what did you write to it?
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10:30<kg>dualbus: /dev/zero
10:30<kg>Basically wanted to completely zero it, thought I'd end up with 32gb of unallocated space
10:31<kg>but ended up with only 3.8
10:31<dualbus>kg: that's indeed weird
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10:34<kg>This is really odd, now I'm dd-ing /dev/sdb1, which doesn't exist but it's writing away happily
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10:36<kg>d /dev/sdb being the usb drive
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10:42<jimpop>if you dd'ed zeros to /dev/sdb then you will need to recreate the partition table
10:43<kg>I'm trying to create a gpt one in gparted but it doesn't seem to do anything
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10:45<Gendalph>hello, I have a question: I've installed Debian (from 7.5 netinst iso) and now switched to Testing/Jessie. There's one package that refuses to automatically update - db5.1-util. If I try to upgrade it manually, it removes libdb5.1 python2.6
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10:45<Gendalph>so the question: can I safely remove python2.6?
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10:46<petn-randall>Gendalph: Do you need python2.6?
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10:46<Gendalph>petn-randall, I don't use it
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10:47<Gendalph>and I don't think I have anything that relies on python-2.6
10:48<petn-randall>Gendalph: Then it's safe to remove.
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10:50<dratini0>Stupid question but where did e2fstune go?
10:50<TobiX>dratini0: Did you mean "tune2fs"?
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10:51<dratini0>probably yes
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10:52<dratini0>Thanks, I was an idiot
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10:53<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: let me know how it goes.
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10:56<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, the external drive partition is being imaged. I wanted to delete and reformat the FAT partition that didnt allow full imaging earlier, but strange thing is, it cannot be deleted, giving error
10:57<lamrz>it says "partition doesnt exist" when it is there and mountable
10:58<lamrz>ah, and, with this: (udisks-error-quark, 0)
10:58<lamrz>maybe I should try gparted
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11:04<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: gparted is pretty great. Even though I prefer to do most tasks via command line, I often find myself going back to gparted for anything other than rudimentary partitioning tasks.
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11:12<eightyeight>probably not the right channel to ask in, so let me know if so, but has the debconf14 CFP been posted? if so, i haven't seen it.
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11:13<eightyeight>seems like we're getting dangerously close to the conference
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11:19<Guest12657>drivere webcam chejoori nasb mishe?
11:19<Guest12657>dar ubuntu
11:19<Guest12657>kaci balade?
11:19<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
11:19<dpkg>IrDA is an infrared wireless communication standard. To use on Debian systems: enable infrared in BIOS (if built-in), install the irda-utils package (its init script starts irattach by default), enable infrared on the other device, "cat /proc/net/irda/discovery" / irdadump to test. To provide /dev/ircomm* devices, "modprobe ircomm-tty". See also irda-utils' README.Debian. Not for CIR, see <lirc>.
11:19<Maulkin>Well, that didn't work.
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11:20<Guest12657>yeki nist ke j mano bede
11:20<Guest12657>injaa asan kasi ubuntu balade?
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11:21<Maulkin>Guest12657: irc://
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11:21<eightyeight>Guest12657: english please
11:21<Guest12657>i want to install webcam Driver
11:21<Guest12657>what can i do?
11:22<eightyeight>on ubuntu?
11:22<Maulkin>Guest12657: You're using Ubuntu, right?
11:22<eightyeight>/join #ubuntu
11:22<eightyeight>ask there
11:22<Maulkin>Guest12657: Then you need to ask Ubuntu.
11:22<Guest12657>ubuntu 12.10 in VM
11:22<eightyeight>this channel is not for ubuntu support
11:22<retrospectacus>!ubuntu-irc Guest12657
11:22<dpkg>Guest12657: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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11:23<Guest12657>no body is in /join #ubuntu channel
11:23<retrospectacus>!ubuntu-irc Guest12657
11:23<dpkg>Guest12657: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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11:24<planetmaker>it's on a different IRC network
11:24<retrospectacus>#ubuntu is on server "" not here.
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11:25<Guest12657>how i can go to the ubuntu channel?
11:25<Guest12657>with xchat...
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11:25<retrospectacus>Guest12657: dpkg told you exactly how, three times
11:25<xiqsjvfy>Guest12657: right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://
11:26<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, sorry, I was disconnected again..I just reformatted the partition as ext4, but now I think it is read-only created for whatever reason! creating a file or folder options are disabled
11:26<planetmaker>did you READ the text?
11:26<Maulkin>Guest12657: Right click on the following link, and choose connect: irc://
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11:26<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: Uh, hold on. Why did you reformat?
11:27<retrospectacus>Guest12657: getting support in #ubuntu will also require reading what is said to you. You should work on that
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11:28<lamrz>I mean the target partition where only 4.3GB could be imaged where there was a huge space free. I changed its FAT filesystem, and now it's ext4. I mean this, sorry if I expressed it in wrong terms :)
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11:29<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, I hope it's all ok so far :)
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11:30<Guest12657>i click to the link that <Maulkin> forward but im not xonnect :|
11:30<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: Ah, OK, you're reformating the FAT partition. I was worried you were for some reason formating the partition you wanted to recover data from!
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11:31<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, oh no :)
11:31<Guest12657>no body khow ?
11:31<retrospectacus>Guest12657: you have everything you need
11:31<Guest12657>what i can go to the ubuntu channel ?
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11:32<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, I guess I need to change permissions to solve it
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11:33<Guest12657>do you tell me exactly what i do to go the ubuntu channel from here?
11:33<retrospectacus>Guest12657: yes we have, many times.
11:33<Guest12657>or NO ????? :|
11:33<Guest12657>once more?
11:33<retrospectacus>Guest12657: this is Debian support - you are wasting our time
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11:34<Guest12657>i khow but i not connected to ubuntu channel :|
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11:34<retrospectacus>Guest12657: why not? We told you how
11:35<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: yep, you'll need to chown youruser:youruser -R /on/the/mount/point/of/the/filesystem
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11:35<Guest12657>what i should type here ? exactly
11:35<petn-randall>xiqsjvfy: chown youruser:yourgroup ...
11:35<lamb>can you see your scrollback? The instructions were posted twice there
11:35<xiqsjvfy>petn-randall: right, thanks!
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11:35<xiqsjvfy>(they tend to be the same though)
11:35<retrospectacus>!ubuntu-irc Guest12657
11:35<dpkg>Guest12657: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
11:36<retrospectacus>Guest12657: that is the last time. Read it carefully
11:36<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, is it then 'sudo chown myuser -R /on/the/mount/point/of/the/filesystem ' ?
11:36<petn-randall>xiqsjvfy: Yeah, but that's a specialty of Debian, it's not the usual case with other distros.
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11:36<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: don't forget the :mygroup part.
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11:37<Guest12657>i do it but not connected
11:38<retrospectacus>Guest12657: that's not a Debian problem. Try googling it
11:38<Guest12657>ok tnx for your help
11:38<Guest12657>good luck
11:39<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, i think it's better I do it with gksudo, I dont want to bring any more mess :)
11:39<lamrz>I am not familiar with command line permissions
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11:48<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, gone and back again :)
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11:49<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, I changed the permissions and could create the target file, now both sources are being imaged for a while.
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11:50<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: I'm going AFK for a while again.
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11:50<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, ok, thank you so much! till soon!
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11:55<lamrz>how disk images can be added to testdisk on windows is given here, but there is no info for linux: can you please help me know how to add disk image to the list of drives of photorec?
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11:58<lamrz>interesting part on how data deletion works:
11:59<lamrz>for beginners at least :)
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12:05<lamrz>trial turned out to be success: simply typing 'photorec /path-to-image-file/ ' opens a photorec screen with added file
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12:43<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, a thought came to me. can I ask you something if you're back?
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12:46<RC4-GaryOakPhD>Hello, is there any way to properly install python 2.7 on debian 6
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12:46<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: go ahead.
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12:47<retrospectacus>RC4-GaryOakPhD: no
12:47<petn-randall>RC4-GaryOakPhD: I recommend upgrading to wheezy.
12:47<RC4-GaryOakPhD>petn-randall: it's a VPS
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12:48<petn-randall>RC4-GaryOakPhD: That shouldn't stop you from upgrading.
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12:49<RC4-GaryOakPhD>The last time I tried to dist-upgrade, it didn't work properly and my /run/network got deleted
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12:49<RC4-GaryOakPhD>should I use safe-upgrade?
12:50<RC4-GaryOakPhD>petn-randall ^^
12:50<petn-randall>RC4-GaryOakPhD: Shouldn't matter since /run is a tmpfs anyway?
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12:51<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, hello again, thank you! I had to recover my data from a drive on which a new system was installed. the data was saved in the system before the current one. if I was able to do that, does it not signify that an encrypted filesystem can be recovered when deleted? I never ever think of deleting my currently inaccesible drives, but would they be theoretically accessible should they be deleted rather than being locked in there?
12:51<petn-randall>RC4-GaryOakPhD: safe-upgrade won't upgrade you to wheezy, best to read the release notes before doing that.
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12:52<RC4-GaryOakPhD>sorry about that
12:52<RC4-GaryOakPhD>apt-get dist-upgrade says there's nothing to upgrade
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12:53<RC4-GaryOakPhD>oh my god
12:53<RC4-GaryOakPhD>I'm an idiot okay
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12:54<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: Yes, unless you overwrite the drive (possibly multiple times) it's theoretically recoverable. However, if it's encrypted you'd still need the pass phrase to be able to tell when you had succesfully recovered it.
12:54<petn-randall>RC4-GaryOakPhD: Relax, we're here if you have any questions. :)
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12:54<xiqsjvfy>Otherwhise there is no way to tell it from random (or corrupted) data.
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12:55<lamrz>xiqsjvfy, you mean the files would be there as recovered, but each of them would be encrypted with the same phrase as that of the partition they belonged to?
12:56<RC4-GaryOakPhD>petn-randall: I'm upgrading! hopefully everything goes well and it doesn't explode
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12:56<petn-randall>lamrz: If you don't wipe the disk, you can simply access the files. If it's encrypted, you can access all data if you have the key/passphrase.
12:57<petn-randall>RC4-GaryOakPhD: That's pretty quick. Are you sure you read the release notes?
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12:58<xiqsjvfy>lamrz: hmm, depends on the method of encryption. If the entire drive is encrypted with, for example, LUKS, then the individual files would not be recoverable in that manner. Either the whole disk is unencrypted, or no part of it is.
12:58<RC4-GaryOakPhD>I'm good
12:58<petn-randall>RC4-GaryOakPhD: And you also made backups in that time?
12:58<lamrz>petn-randall, so that means, if I click on a recovered file, it would ask me the passphrase of the partition they were in before whatever accident or deletion was done
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12:58<xiqsjvfy>If, on the other hand, you use something like encfs, which encrypts on a per file level, then yes, that would be the case.
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12:58<RC4-GaryOakPhD>petn-randall: there's nothing really on the VPS, i needed to upgrade it first
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12:59<RC4-GaryOakPhD>alright, cya
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13:17<michael_00>I am getting this on debian 7
13:17<michael_00>when I try to install stuff
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13:20<retrospectacus>michael_00: that's not the actual error.
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13:20<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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13:27<michael_00>hello I have this error when installing things using apt
13:28<michael_00>yes it is on debian, idk why i put it on ubuntu paste
13:28<michael_00>I am on wheezy
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13:35<mtn>michael_00: I don't have your answer, but were you mixing repos/versions?
13:36<michael_00>I upgraded a little bit ago to debian 7 though
13:36<mtn>michael_00: from?
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13:37<mtn>michael_00: looks like something went wrong, but over my head. good info to include, however.
13:37<retrospectacus>michael_00: it looks like you tried installing python7 before upgrading, some other way. You need to delete that stuff first
13:37<michael_00>how should i go about doing that retrospectacus?
13:38<retrospectacus>probably "rm -rf /usr/lib/python2.7/" or so, and whatever else you put into your system without using dpkg
13:39<michael_00>now I get this.
13:40<retrospectacus>again, not the actual error. read !bat again
13:41<michael_00>right right right
13:41<michael_00>just a sec :)
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13:42<michael_00>here you go
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13:46<retrospectacus>try aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall python2.7
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13:47<michael_00>E: Internal Error, No file name for python2.7:i386 retrospectacus
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13:53<retrospectacus>michael_00: try backing up the status files in /var/lib/dpkg and restoring the one in /var/backups, then apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
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13:54<michael_00>would i just mv /var/lib/dpkg/status /mvar/lib/dpkg/status.old
13:54<michael_00>there is nothing in /var/backups
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13:55<retrospectacus>forget it then
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13:57<kaen>have the google fonts been resized from the upstream sources? using the ttf from fonts-play instead of the google fonts version screws up the UI for a game I'm packaging. vs
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14:03<iobound>does anyone know when the DSA-2949-1 update is expected to arrive for armel?
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14:10<olimex>hey. I'm wondering if there is a clean way to "remove all packages installed" with apt-get ?
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14:11<retrospectacus>not if you also want to have a working system
14:11<otyugh>I'm starting from a flashed image, and it contains lot of softwares and service I do not require. I think it could be easier to uninstall everything but apt-get.
14:12<retrospectacus>that's not "all packages" - you need to specify which to remove
14:13<retrospectacus>you can use debootstrap to produce a minimal image
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14:13<otyugh>let's look that x)
14:15<otyugh>I have to add
14:15<otyugh>I'm on a specific installation
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14:16<retrospectacus>what is your actual question then? Please write the whole thing before pressing enter. Note that there is a #debian-arm channel
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14:17<arbi007>is there ny one..?
14:17<retrospectacus>arbi007: hundreds, as you can see
14:17<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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14:18<arbi007>i m using irc first time actually ..:/
14:18<otyugh>I'd like to use my debian installation as a server ; and I'd want it to be the cleanest possible. Tho, the image provided by olimex, is a debian with 730 random packages on it. I'd like to begin from something cleaner
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14:20<retrospectacus>otyugh: easiest would be to read "dpkg -l|less", "apt-get purge" various packages you don't want and "apt-get autoremove"
14:21<retrospectacus>otyugh: that way you'll keep any drivers and custom things you really do need for your hardware
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14:29<otyugh>retrospectacus, any way to list all unfree packages ?
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14:33<retrospectacus>!non-free list
14:33<dpkg>To see a list of <non-free> and <contrib> packages installed on your system, run «aptitude search '~i?or(~scontrib,~snon-free)'». See also <aptitude search>.
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14:33<xiqsjvfy>there's also the vrms package.
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14:34<retrospectacus>for just non-free, simply: aptitude search '~i~snon-free'
14:35<retrospectacus>afaik vrms does the same thing
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14:54<m2og3>what is the channel?
14:55<retrospectacus>m2og3: Debian support (see /topic)
14:55<m2og3>how to switch to another channel?
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14:56<retrospectacus>type /join #otherchannel into this chat
14:56<retrospectacus>and/or consult your irc client's documentation. it may be some other method.
14:57<m2og3>if you can get a list of channels?
14:57<m2og3>how do you?
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14:58<retrospectacus>well, with the /list command (again depending on your client) but there are hundreds (thousands)? You should know what one you want
14:59<retrospectacus>there are also various servers/networks - this is the OFTC network - /list will only list channels on this network.
14:59<retrospectacus>m2og3: what kind of channel are you looking for
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15:04<m2og3>drupal chanel
15:04<retrospectacus>#drupal-support on
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15:16<m2og3>who knows how to configure virtual server dibian?
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15:16<retrospectacus>m2og3: everyone, just ask your real question
15:16<m2og3>and what would we all had an IP
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15:17<m2og3>this is my question
15:18<m2og3>retrospectacus: this is my question
15:18<m2og3>retrospectacus: who knows how to configure virtual server dibian?
15:18<dratini0>Do you want to host a VPS?
15:18<dratini0>Or just use one?
15:18<dualbus>m2og3: what is 'dibian'?
15:19<retrospectacus>m2og3: lots of people, what kind of question is that
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15:20<m2og3>have a server running debian linux need to raise it three virtual svrvera ones for ip telephony under the other two sites
15:21<m2og3>have a server running debian linux need to raise it three virtual server for some ip telephony under the other two sites
15:21<m2og3>more understandable?))
15:21<dratini0>A bit.
15:21<m2og3>dratini0: that?
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15:22<dratini0>So I think you need a sip server.
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15:23<m2og3>Well, actually there is such a Problem((
15:24<m2og3>gave something to read?
15:25<dratini0>There is for example sipwitch
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15:26<dratini0>It is in debian
15:27<m2og3>in principle, consider other options
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15:28<m2og3>and how to deal with virtualization?
15:28<dratini0>Why do you want to virtualize?
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15:29<m2og3>so that each system to work on one task
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15:30<m2og3>if something breaks it well break one and not all at once
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15:31<dpkg>For resources concerning the use of Debian as a host for virtual computers, or as a guest within a virtual computer, see . Also ask me about <hyper-v>, <kvm>, <linux-vserver>, <lxc>, <openvz>, <pearpc>, <qemu>, <user mode linux>, <virtualbox>, <virtual pc>, <vmware>, <xen>, <xve>, <ksm>.
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15:31<retrospectacus>m2og3: do you have a specific question or problem about virtualization?
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15:32<m2og3>the question is how to configure virtual server
15:32<DNS>depends what kind of vserver
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15:33<retrospectacus>m2og3: that question is far too vague
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15:33<m2og3>DNS: do not quite understand
15:33<DNS>what kind of software
15:33<DNS>like kvm, qemu, xen...
15:34<m2og3>DNS: linux debian
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15:35<retrospectacus>m2og3: 1) choose a virtualization platform, install it and create your VM 2) choose a ip-telephony solution and install in in the VM
15:35<DNS>m2og3: do you want to run it local in a gui or do you want to run it as server?
15:36<lamrz>hello xiqsjvfy! :) the images are still being created..
15:36<m2og3>DNS: server
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15:37<m2og3>retrospectacus: the first question
15:37<m2og3>I'm interested in)
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15:37<retrospectacus>m2og3: what about it
15:38<m2og3>how to configure the vm&
15:38<DNS>m2og3: for example with kvm →
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15:39<m2og3>has been interesting)
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15:48<zenlunatic>does debian still focus more on gnome?
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15:49<dondelelcaro>zenlunatic: we've never really focused only on one DE.
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15:49<dondelelcaro>zenlunatic: we've had a default, but considering that developers in Debian use a ton of different DEs, there's never really been a single focus
15:50<DNS>maybe he means that it was in talk that xfce becomes default desktop
15:50<dondelelcaro>xfce is currently the default, IIRC.
15:50<DNS>oh rly?
15:50<zenlunatic>default for sid?
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15:50<mtn>dondelelcaro: not in wheezy, but it is in jessie
15:51<dondelelcaro>mtn: right.
15:51<DNS>i use xfce in sid anyways
15:51<dondelelcaro>though admitedly, that's more about space considerations than anything specific; it's also trivial to select whatever DE you want
15:51<DNS>havin some issues with my gpu in gnome3
15:52<DNS>(seems to be related to the intel drivers tho)
15:52<zenlunatic>what intel?
15:53<DNS>the driver is called 915 something
15:53<zenlunatic>im using hd3000 on wheezy... its like butter
15:53<SamB>dondelelcaro: you mean, they couldn't fit GNOME on CD1 or DVD1 (can't remember which)
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15:54<dondelelcaro>SamB: it doesn't fit on CD1, and I'm not sure if it fits on DVD1.
15:54<DNS>zenlunatic: yea i915 it is
15:55<zenlunatic>DNS: i think that is what my netbook has
15:57<DNS>btw openbox with tint2 and cairo-dock is also a nice solution imho
15:58<zenlunatic>i like gnome 3.12 but i also love konqueror
15:58<zenlunatic>konqueror is a swiss knife
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16:01<DNS>zenlunatic: i like gnome 3.12 but what i find a bit confusing is super+m
16:01<DNS>"the hidden taskbar "
16:02<Phylos>you can get it by putting the mouse in the bottom of the screen too :)
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16:03<DNS>but still i think its not very intuitive
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16:03<Phylos>I agree
16:03<Phylos>First time I got it by chance and was "wtf, my screen greyed out"
16:03<DNS>for a tablet maybe good solution
16:03<Phylos>and then I saw it :)
16:03<DNS>but for desktops?
16:04<smw>Hi all, so I am doing sudo apt-get install systemd-sysv systemd and it says it will remove openssh-server. Any ideas why it would do that? How can I tell it to keep ssh? Oh, it is also really pissed I am removing sysvinit, but I am not as concerned with that :-)
16:05<smw>(also, before anyone says anything: yes, I have no idea what I am doing, but this is what VMs are for)
16:05<retrospectacus>smw: "apt-get install systemd-sysv systemd openssh-server" ?
16:06<DNS>or use aptitude
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16:06<DNS>i had some issues with apt-get too and init stuff
16:06<DNS>on vserver
16:06<smw>retrospectacus, "init-system-helpers : Breaks: systemd (< 44-12) but 44-11+deb7u4 is to be installed"
16:06<smw>interesting, openssh wants init-helpers and the helpers want sysvinit
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16:07<smw>and systemd-sysv doesn't want sysvinit for obvious reasons
16:07<DNS>smv: did you sudo apt-get update?
16:07<smw>DNS, yes
16:07<smw>DNS, full disclosure, I am on google compute engine
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16:08<smw>DNS, god only knows what they did to this system, but this doesn't look like a GCE specific problem
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16:12<Phylos>they put ads in it, maybe ? :D
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16:13<smw>Phylos, in the motd
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16:13<Phylos>I could easily imagine them doing that, just to slitely cut prices
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16:14<smw>Phylos, nah, google is pretty good on that. If you are paying, no ads, ever
16:14<SamB>smw: so it sounds like you should probably avoid using systemd on wheezy ;-P
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16:14<smw>SamB, probably. Wonder what would happen if I tried to update this to jessie...
16:14<SamB>systemd would probably cause more subtle problems?
16:15<smw>SamB, oh, I am not thinking of systemd. I am wondering how my GCE image of debian will react :-)
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16:29<smw>SamB, hah! jessie+systemd works!
16:29<smw>SamB, not saying there aren't subtle problems, but I am amazed it works at all :-P
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16:35<SamB>smw: did you miss the whole debacle?
16:38<smw>SamB, what whole debacle?
16:39<dpkg>systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd is shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and will be be the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". #debian-systemd on #systemd on See also <why systemd>.
16:39<smw>SamB, ah yeah, I knew that
16:39<SamB>!why systemd
16:39<dpkg>a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at
16:39<SamB>!why not sysvinit
16:39<smw>SamB, I am just surprised it works on GCE :-)
16:39<SamB>smw: ah
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17:03<jenkiub>que loco!
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17:12*zenlunatic is considering jumping to a tiling wm
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17:14<retrospectacus>canaima: hello.
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17:15<canaima>hola coño
17:16<canaima>que mierda
17:16<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:16<retrospectacus>!es-social canaima
17:16<dpkg>canaima: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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18:06<skribblezatcha>are you still there?
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18:11<sakax>I am in the kitchen baby :D
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18:35<sakax>does debian has something in the repos available to easily paste together pictures in a template with the possibility to add some comments? i am really bad in gimp and looking for some dummy proof application :)
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18:37<sakax>something to make flyers for a party...
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18:39<skribblezatcha>you can try inkscape sakax.
18:39<skribblezatcha>mtpaint and rgbpaint too.
18:39<sakax>thanks, will look into it :)
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18:40<devil_>sakax: if you can't handle gimp, forget inkscape
18:40<sakax>devil_: do you have a better suggestion?
18:41<devil_>no, I am an artistic zero
18:41<sakax>join the club :D
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18:41<devil_>but I know that I get a headache from only looking into inkscapes menu :)
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18:46<sakax>hehe :)
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18:57<abbe>has anyone seen an intermittent issue with failing downloads in debian-installer, like
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18:57<abbe>the mirror advertised in preseed is at port 8089
18:58<abbe>but strangely apt-get (in-target) tries to download from port 80
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18:58<abbe>FTR, i'm running wheezy
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19:26<foffa>how to add desktop icon in task bar ?
19:27<foffa>how to create the show desktop icon in taskbar ?
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20:27<abbe>looks like my problem was due to broken dns
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21:16<SkoobyNoob>aight people i got a simple question
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21:16<SkoobyNoob>if a depackage or unzip soemthing
21:16<SkoobyNoob>then i install it
21:17<SkoobyNoob>then when i gotta look for the dependencies
21:17<oldlaptop>Can you be more specific?
21:17<oldlaptop>what are you trying to do?
21:17<SkoobyNoob>yeah sure
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21:18<SkoobyNoob>well im not trying to do anything in particular
21:18<SkoobyNoob>is just a question
21:18<SkoobyNoob>i downloaded some dependencies for a program
21:18<SkoobyNoob>lets call it bluez
21:18<SkoobyNoob>i had to download some libraries and stuff
21:19<oldlaptop>You should stick to what's in the Debian repositories whenever possible
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21:19<oldlaptop>you aren't downloading and 'make install'-ing source tarballs, are you?
21:19<SkoobyNoob>when i do that do i have to install the libs in the directory that the program is in?
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21:19<SkoobyNoob>no i tar
21:20<SkoobyNoob>or jxvf
21:20<SkoobyNoob>depending on the extention
21:20<oldlaptop>you're compiling things from source then, and 'make install'-ing them?
21:20<oldlaptop>make install is deceptively dangerous
21:20<oldlaptop>or at least makes annoying messes for you
21:20<SkoobyNoob>yes i figured
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21:21<SkoobyNoob>i notice in linux you have to be really organized
21:21<SkoobyNoob>or else you end up with a mess
21:21<oldlaptop>much like real life, if you aren't careful you make messes
21:21<SkoobyNoob>yeah but like in windows
21:21<oldlaptop>windows is always a mess
21:21<oldlaptop>that's its natural state
21:22<SkoobyNoob>well the question still is
21:22<oldlaptop>It's also customary for individual installer things to make their own self-contained messes
21:22<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
21:22<oldlaptop>your average windows installer most likely installs private copies of all of its dependencies
21:22<SkoobyNoob>so what do you guys do when you want to have a software that is not available in the repositories?
21:23<oldlaptop>you need to understand what 'make install' does, and act accordingly
21:23<oldlaptop>if used wisely its dangerous tendencies can be managed
21:23<oldlaptop>see especially checkinstall
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21:23<oldlaptop>,v checkinstall
21:23<judd>Package: checkinstall on i386 -- squeeze: 1.6.2-1; jessie: 1.6.2-4; sid: 1.6.2-4; wheezy: 1.6.2-4
21:23<SkoobyNoob>im on amd64
21:24<oldlaptop>doesn't matter
21:24<SkoobyNoob>would it be different?
21:24<oldlaptop>it exists on all supported archs as far as I know
21:24<SkoobyNoob>ok at least i thought i was gonna get a respons like you gotta build your own program
21:25<oldlaptop>I generally don't install things I build myself at all
21:25<SkoobyNoob>so i downloaded some dependent libraries
21:25<oldlaptop>get dependencies from the repos whenever possible
21:25<SkoobyNoob>and i installed them in the folder where the program is installed
21:26<oldlaptop>where that isn't possible, tread with extreme care
21:26<oldlaptop>if you use a different version of some library that is in the repos, you can cause very annoying problems
21:26<SkoobyNoob>well im self teaching me
21:27<SkoobyNoob>and i figure just go into the internet and download shit from where it looks sorta decent
21:27<oldlaptop>that's a bad habit
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21:27<oldlaptop>sooner or later what looks sorta decent won't be
21:28<SkoobyNoob>just barely i figure to download a chat thingy and ask questions to "live" peeps
21:28<oldlaptop>Managing custom-built libraries in particular is a fairly deep rabbit hole to dive into
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21:28<SkoobyNoob>is there a way to protect yourself?
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21:28<oldlaptop>Use the repositories ;)
21:29<oldlaptop>Don't indiscriminately download and install stuff
21:29<SkoobyNoob>or is there a way to know if i have downloaded something malisios?
21:29<SkoobyNoob>then how am i gonna do all the cool stuff that i wanna do?
21:29<SkoobyNoob>like change bluetooth addresses
21:29<SkoobyNoob>of a device
21:29<oldlaptop>,v bluez
21:29<judd>Package: bluez on i386 -- squeeze: 4.66-3; wheezy: 4.99-2; jessie: 4.101-4.1; sid: 4.101-4.1; experimental: 5.17-1~exp0
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21:30<oldlaptop>is the version not recent enough or something?
21:30<SkoobyNoob>well that is what i downloaded
21:30<oldlaptop>it's in the repositories
21:30<SkoobyNoob>there is one called bluemanager
21:30<SkoobyNoob>is it the same?
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21:31<oldlaptop>unless my search-foo fails me, that's commercial software
21:31<oldlaptop>fairly expensive commercial software too
21:31<cra1g321>if anyone asks about skype on debian wheezy 64bit, i've just made a tutorial on how to install it
21:32<SkoobyNoob>ok what if i wanna have a device to connect a device straight to my device withou a dongle?
21:32<cra1g321>i included some pretty pictures too :P
21:32<oldlaptop>SkoobyNoob: I'm not familiar with bluetooth issues
21:32<ncl>disable bluetooth only the nsa uses it
21:32<SkoobyNoob>yeah nobody usually is
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21:33<oldlaptop>I can however strongly advise you *not* to go downloading and 'make install'ing random software
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21:33<oldlaptop>especially when it's in the repositories already
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21:33<ncl>oh hey this isn't -offtopic
21:33<SkoobyNoob>ok good tip old dude
21:33<oldlaptop>Software in the official package repositories has been specifically configured and often modified by very clever people, to work well in a Debian system
21:34<oldlaptop>the debian developers know what they're doing, they understand how not to make a mess :)
21:34<SkoobyNoob>so you think i should just uninstall everything wierd i have downloaded?
21:34<oldlaptop>...that's the major problem with 'make install'
21:34<oldlaptop>it's often not as easy as that
21:34<SkoobyNoob>so i cant make uninstall?
21:35<oldlaptop>Some stuff provides an uninstall target (make uninstall)
21:35<oldlaptop>other stuff doesn't
21:35<oldlaptop>And if you have lost the original tarball you obviously have a problem
21:35<SkoobyNoob>because i should repackage it?
21:35<oldlaptop>That's what checkinstall, it makes a rudimentary .deb and installs it
21:36<oldlaptop>to tell dpkg exactly what was installed where, so you can remove it later
21:36<oldlaptop>er. That's what checkinstall is
21:36<SkoobyNoob>fuck im gonna have to reinstall ubuntu clean
21:36*oldlaptop dropped an is
21:36<oldlaptop>oh. This is not an ubuntu channel, you realize
21:37<SkoobyNoob>but that is what i use
21:37<oldlaptop>you should use the Ubuntu support channels then
21:37<oldlaptop>people here know Debian
21:37<SkoobyNoob>yeah but i got kicked out of there
21:37<SkoobyNoob>because i mentioned blues
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21:37<SkoobyNoob>the guy was telling me that you cant change bluetooth
21:38<oldlaptop>he was probably right
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21:38<SkoobyNoob>and i told him that you can change ps3 controllers
21:38<oldlaptop>You really can't get ubuntu support in here.
21:38<SkoobyNoob>bluetooth mac id address
21:38<Guest12710>So I bought an Intel mini-PCIe Wi-Fi card specifically for Linux compatibility.
21:38<SkoobyNoob>i didnt want ubuntu support
21:38<oldlaptop>if you ask for support and don't mention you're using ubuntu, you will get advice for Debian
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21:38<oldlaptop>this is not the same thing
21:39<SkoobyNoob>for i wanted it is
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21:39<oldlaptop>dpkg: tell SkoobyNoob about based on debian
21:39<SkoobyNoob>ok well see you nerds later then
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21:40<dragooon>In Windows 7 wireless perf is 80-115 Mbps. In Debian stable it's only 15-25.
21:40<dragooon>Using iwlwifi from unfree side of repo.
21:40<SkoobyNoob>is dpkg like a gimp slave?
21:41<oldlaptop>dpkg is an IRC bot
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21:41<dpkg>i don't know, oldlaptop
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21:41<oldlaptop>dragooon: what chipset is this?
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21:41<dragooon>Card is Intel 5300. The link speed bounces around: 117 Mbps, 1 Mbps, 12 Mbps
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21:42<oldlaptop>can you post the relevant line in lspci output?
21:42<oldlaptop>or pastebin all of lspci output
21:44<dragooon>Network controller: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300
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21:45<themill>dragooon: "lspci -nn" would be more helpful if you could
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21:46<themill>actually, both devices that have that name are supported by the wheezy kernel
21:47<oldlaptop>Are you at the edge of the card's effective range or something?
21:48<oldlaptop>you might consider doing a test of actual throughput? Big sftp transfer or something (unless you've done that already)
21:49<oldlaptop>as a last resort there's still ndiswrapper, I suppose
21:50<oldlaptop>feel icky even thinking about that ugly, ugly thing
21:50<dragooon>80-115 and 15-25 is actual throughput. Respective link rate is 162/180/216/240/300 and 1/5.5/11/24/54/117
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21:57<dragooon>Is this normal behavior? I thought Intel cards had good drivers.
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22:01<oldlaptop>dragooon: I've never seen it
22:01<oldlaptop>but I don't have that particular Intel card
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