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00:57<tranjeeshan>When I do this in terminal: evince file.pdf
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00:57<tranjeeshan>I get this error: Failed to get bus connection: The connection is closed
00:57<tranjeeshan>what should I do?
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01:03<jmcnaught>tranjeeshan: does evince open the pdf anyways?
01:03<tranjeeshan>In GUI mode, yes
01:03<tranjeeshan>it just works fine
01:05<tranjeeshan>but problem arises in terminal
01:05<tranjeeshan>any clue?
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01:06<tranjeeshan>the problem seems to be solved
01:06<jmcnaught>tranjeeshan: so running the command from terminal evince does not open the pdf? I'm not sure what that error is about. Have you tried searching?
01:06<tranjeeshan>When I'm root, it doesn't work
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01:07<tranjeeshan>shows error: Failed to get bus connection: The connection is closed
01:07<tranjeeshan>but in normal user mode, it just works
01:07<jmcnaught>tranjeeshan: ahhh.. there's the problem. don't run it as root.
01:07<tranjeeshan>why's that?
01:07<jmcnaught>tranjeeshan: only run things as root if you *really* have to
01:07<tranjeeshan>Thanks, jmcnaught
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01:08<jmcnaught>tranjeeshan: root is for making changes that apply to the whole system. If there's a way to do something without being root, that's the way to do it
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01:10<tranjeeshan>Got it
01:10<tranjeeshan>thanks, man.
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01:28<live>hello all
01:28<live>is sparky linux supported in this channel?
01:29<live>okay thanks
01:29<live>if you like debian try sparky linux
01:29<live>it's awesome
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01:33<HB33>Are there "lighter" versions of Debian that might run well on an x86 PC, Pentium 4, 4 gb ram?
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01:34<HB33>I installed Debian Gnome, it seems to work on the surface, yet I think certain things are not working correctly
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01:35<jm_>you can easily use something other than gnome
01:35<jm_>so there's no need for a "lighter" version
01:35<jmcnaught>HB33: they're all the same Debian, but there's a variety of desktop environments and window managers to pick from in the package repositories. xfce4 and LXDE are popular alternatives to Gnome
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01:36<HB33>I dont think I have tried xfce4 yet. Thx
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02:35<HB33>I take it that very few beginner linux users end up here?
02:35<planetmaker>some do
02:36<HB33>Is that becasue Debian is a little harder to heard, not as much eye candy etc
02:36<HB33>learn not heard
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02:39<planetmaker>I don't believe that that perception is true. It's not harder (or easier) than any other linux flavour.
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02:41<piper>as long as you read, read some more, then read you should be fine as a beginner
02:41<HB33>Debian does not partner with Amazon in spying on its users. So even as a beginner, I skipped those distros
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02:42<ncl_>It's not like Ubuntu turned off that search by default now or anything
02:42<HB33>It should never have been there or at the very least - clear vivid disclosures should have been made
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02:43<ncl_>I think every other tech news site announcing it is rather decent disclosure, as well as seeing the results for yourself
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02:44<HB33>I don't agree with that logic but I digress. I don't want to start another Ubuntu argument. That last one got ugly
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03:10<ralpho>Hello everyone
03:10<ralpho>I have a question about Debian's iptables
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03:12<ralpho>I have a Debian file server and I only want to allow (in/out): ssh (putty) and samba shares.
03:13<ralpho>I found lots of example about iptables in the Internet
03:13<ralpho>And I don't have any success
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03:13<ralpho>Could someone here can help me?
03:14<jmcnaught>ralpho: if you're having trouble with iptables, you might consider using a wrapper/frontend like ufw
03:15<ralpho>Is there a ufw in Debian?
03:15<jm_>!iptables tutorial
03:15<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, iptables tutorial is
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03:15<jm_>there sure is and other front-ends too
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03:18<ralpho>Thanks guys. I will read dpkg's given link.
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03:40<HB33>I just got done installing Debian lxde and and after I enter the password it says "incorrect password". I am positive have the password correct. Does anyone have any idea would could be causing this?
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03:43<jm_>does the same happen if you login on one of the tty-s?
03:43<HB33>I don't know what tty's are
03:43<jm_>ctrl-alt-f1 through f5 to switch to one, try to login, ctrl-alt-f7 to get back to X (or ctrl-alt-left/right)
03:45<HB33>I just a few minutes ago got done installing it and so have never logged into it. I will switch over to that computer
03:50<HB33>my username was "notroot"
03:51<HB33>Do you think that caused a problem with the login? I am not being presented with the option to type in a username at the login screen. I tried that ctrl alt f7 I think it iwas and I believe I was able to login with the notroot username and the password that I have
03:52<jm_>you don't get a login prompt when you press ctrl-alt-f1 (all keys at the same time)?
03:52<HB33>also the login shows my hostname at the login screen. I have no idea if debian, if the login were working correctly, would want me to enter my hostname or user account name or user name
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03:53<HB33>I got a prompt, and when I logged in with notroot and my password, I believe I was successful. But I was still at the black screen after login
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03:54<jm_>ok, so we know the password works - and it doesn't work if you do the same in GUI prompt?
03:54<HB33>Yes pretty much
03:54<jm_>do you have any unusual characters in your password that may be placed elsewhere on the keyboard if a different layout is used?
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03:55<HB33>I used dollar signs
03:55<HB33>letters and numbers
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03:55<jm_>can you try changing it to some simple password on tty1 and then try GUI again?
03:56<HB33>Sure. Can you tell me the command to change the password?
03:56<HB33>Ok thx
03:56<jm_>so yes I can (better question would be how to change the password or what's the command to change the password)
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04:10<NR33>Ok I got logged in. Thanks for sharing how to get to ttyl. I noticed that when I used xchat and it used my default username, debian's chat here said I was banned, so i changed the username
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04:10<jm_>yeah cause *root@ is banned so nonroot would match that
04:11<jm_>so gui login works ok now?
04:11<NR33>Ok. That did not occur to me. The GUI seems to login in normally now
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04:11<jm_>now try finding out where those characters are on keyboard (you can also change the layout etc.)
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04:12<NR33>They are pretty much standard characters, letters, numbers, dollar sign symbols etc
04:12<NR33>I removed the $ symbols and just used a longer password with numbers and letters
04:13<jm_>yes but are they on the keys you expect them to be? I find it odd that tty login works while gui login failed so that is most likely candidate
04:14<NR33>If I were to open a blank text document, would just typing the key and verifying if the key that was supposed to be typed is typed, would that work?
04:14<jm_>yeah or a terminal
04:14<NR33>Trying it o ut
04:15<NR33>They are pretty much as I would expect, mapped out correctly
04:16<NR33>The video card that is on the computer is newer than the PC. It is I think an nvidia card I got from
04:16<jm_>not sure of much else that could cause it
04:16<NR33>Could a driver issue be causing it ?
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04:18<jm_>ahh silly me, you could test it by typing those characters in username field
04:18<NR33>Oh, I will try that
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04:21<nb33>I tried it. All the characters seemed to work ok
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04:22<jm_>which display manager is it?
04:22<nb33>I dont know. Is where a way to find out?
04:22<jm_>hmm try ps auxw | grep dm
04:23<jm_>or look in /etc/X11/default-display-manager
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04:25<nb33>I am not sure what to look for..I did the ps auxw...command and I see a bunch of I guess running processes
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04:26<jm_>the command is: ps auxw | grep dm
04:26<nb33>Also cannot find the X11 directory in etc
04:26<nb33>That is what I typed yes
04:26<jm_>how many does it find?
04:26<nb33>Maybe 10
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04:27<nb33>Oops, no make that 5
04:27<nb33>It might be lightdm
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04:28<jm_>yeah so perhaps you could check its logfile if you want to pursue it further
04:28<nb33>Ok, thx
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06:07<zsero>hi. I would like to ask a basic question about modprobe. are the following two equal? “modprobe rt2800usb nohwcrypt=1” and putting “options rt2800usb nohwcrypt=1” in “/etc/modprobe.d/rt2800usb.conf”?
06:08<jm_>should be, although for the second, rebuild your initrd image to be onthe safe side
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06:09<zsero>isn’t a reboot taking care of that?
06:09<zsero>and how can I do it?
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06:10<jm_>not if the module is loaded early on with old modprobe.d stuff
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06:10<jm_>update-initramfs -u
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06:12<zsero>also, related to this, do you know how can I test if the module is actually loaded with nohwcrypt option?
06:12<jm_>no problem
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06:14<jm_>grep . /sys/module/<name>/parameters/*
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06:15<flambait>hi, a bit off-topic, but any of you guys knows whether it exists a sort of website where developers who want to start a new free project and looking for partners can post announces/collaboration requests/collaboration proposals and get in touch with other interested people?
06:16<zsero>jm_: thanks a lot!
06:16<jm_>zsero: no worries
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07:01<elcot>i dont know anything about this service .can you tell me about this?
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07:01<jm_>what service?
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07:03<jm_>for #perl just ask there
07:04<elcot>there is any format to ask about that?
07:04<elcot>what is your name?
07:04<jm_>i'm sure they will be able to handle questions in english
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07:05<elcot>this service is like a facebook ah?
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07:06<jm_>try reading
07:07<elcot>thank u
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07:09<elcot>this service is like a chat room-ah?
07:09<jm_>but we don't chat just about anything, it's for debian support and we're strict about it
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07:11<elcot>what is debian?
07:12<jm_> - never heard of search engines?
07:12<Stummi>elcot, how did you find into this channel?
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07:15<jm_>i think i'll give up now, appears to be some kind of test or whatever
07:16<elcot>i just open my pc and open this app ?
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07:17<planetmaker>sounds like a stolen PC in that case, tbh. I can't think of another likely explanation why you would stumble over it pre-installed
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07:17<planetmaker>without knowing what debian is
07:18<elcot>any how bye
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08:08<daemonkeeper>I offer free virtual cookies to anyone who gets my browser (chromium) to properly execute java JNLP files. I always have to download them and call javaws from the command line.
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08:09<daemonkeeper>(openjdk, JFTR)
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08:12<babilen>daemonkeeper: Which chromium version?
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08:12<daemonkeeper>34.0.1847.116 (Developer Build 260972) Debian jessie/sid (so sid technically speaking)
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08:14<babilen>Okay, it's not related to
08:15<babilen> is the bug in question (there are probably a number of duplicates, I'd ask upstream)
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08:16<daemonkeeper>though they talk about NAPI changes between Chromium 34/35, i.e. the thing that also breaks Flash
08:16<daemonkeeper>Mine has NAPI (and it never worked before for me)
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08:17<babilen>Yeah, it shouldn't apply to your version. It was just the "might be related to the recent 35 upload" thought.
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08:19<daemonkeeper>I did not upgrade on purpose :>
08:19<daemonkeeper>i.e. Chromium
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08:22<daemonkeeper>But babilen, I don't need the plugin anyway. My problem is (I guess) just the MIME type handling.
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08:22<daemonkeeper>Chromium wants to download the file rather than execute it via javaws.
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08:24<babilen>yeah, see the other bug. People have been suggesting the "Always open ..." workaround, which is just ugly as it clobbers your ~/download
08:25<jm_>searching found some post on saying there's an extension to deal with it (I quickly tried this in iceweasel too and can't get it to work there either)
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08:29<babilen> ???
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08:30<jm_>ahh moron, of course it won't work, I run iceweasel in chroot, need java there too :)
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08:31<jm_>yeah works fine
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08:33<daemonkeeper>babilen: Huh, but I don't think this is the issue. My Chromium downloads a "viewer.jnlp" file
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08:34<babilen>Hmm, so the "always open with" approach might work, but you'd end up downloading it over and over again ...
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08:49<rtheys>Hi, we use NFS4 and netgroups in /etc/exports on the server to export filesystems to clients. When the client is not yet in the netgroup, it works (refuses the client). If we add the client to the netgroup, it still fails for about 15 minutes and then the server starts to accept the client. Running 'getent netgroup netgroupname' on the server immediately sees the new client. Where does NFS cache the netgroup information and how can we flush
08:49<rtheys>this cache?
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08:59<Greylocks>rtheys, not sure but this may help:
09:00<rtheys>Greylocks: thanks, already found that one. Don't see anything that could explain it though. I'll post something to the linux-nfs mailing list
09:00<Greylocks>Okay good luck :)
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09:24<Rikz>Hello, I have a little problem with Steam, I don't know if someone can help me
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09:24<planetmaker>we don't either
09:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
09:26<blast007>Rikz: are you on Debian Wheezy?
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09:30<Rikz>Got it, sorry ! I have Debian Wheezy AMD 64, Linux debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u2 x86_64 GNU/Linux. Yesterday I installed the NVIDIA proprietary drivers for my graphic card and since then I can't start Steam anymore. It says : "You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run:" and then "Fatal Error : Failed to load". I tried to fix the problem searching on the internet and I saw that in
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09:33<centrx>Rikz, You need the i386 version of the GL library from using multiarch
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09:34<centrx>Rikz, Presumably the drivers you were using before had those installed, but with the new proprietary drivers you need to do something more
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09:37<blast007>Rikz: how did you install the drivers? using the Debian recommended method, or from
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09:38<Rikz>I followed the Debian's method, the one explained in the wiki
09:39<piper> Rikz apt-get install nvidia-driver nvidia-settings libgl1-nvidia-glx-i386 make sure you have multiarch installed first then apt-get install steam just installed works fine (however, using sid,nvidia from experimental, but, stable should be fine)
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09:45<Rikz>when i try to install nvidia-driver it says that some packages have unsatisfied deoendency
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09:47<supaman>Rikz: try issuing apt-get update and then try installing again, see if that fixes the dependency issue
09:47<towo^work>and the output is a secret?
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09:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
09:49<piper>Rikz: what dependencies use paste for output
09:49<Rikz>Here is the output (it's in french, if it's a problem let me know) :
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09:51<towo^work>Rikz, apt-get -t wheezy-backports install nvidia-driver
09:52<towo^work>Rikz, and the correct command would be apt-get -t wheezy-backports install nvidia-driver libgl1-nvidia-glx-i386 nvidia-settings
09:52<piper>Rikz: don't use aptitude, apt-get -t wheezy-backports try apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get install nvidia-driver
09:52<babilen>piper: There is nothing wrong with aptitude
09:52<piper>opinions vary, but, not my channel, so back on the side
09:52<babilen>And there is also no need to throw away the precious local package cache
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09:54<themill>and this is exactly the sort of case where aptitude is more likely to work out how to do this and apt-get is going to just give up
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09:58<Rikz>The output is that :
09:59<towo^work>put a LANG=C in front of your commands
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10:00<Rikz>Here the output in english
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10:14<Rikz>Unfortunately I have to go, I hope we will be able to fix that another time. Thank you for your help
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10:33<MrAnonymous>Why debian security repository doesn't work via ftp?
10:33<themill>it does
10:34<MrAnonymous>I'm sorry but not
10:34<MrAnonymous>Check yourself
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10:34<Stummi>MrAnonymous, can you paste your sources.list?
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10:35<MrAnonymous>What for? I'm not newbie, man. It doesn't work "deb FTP:// stable/updates main" but via http works very well
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10:36<MrAnonymous>Standard debian repository works via ftp...
10:36<themill>the path is not correct there and it would be ftp not FTP
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10:37<themill>(and if http works for you then you'd do better using that instead anyway)
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10:39<MrAnonymous>Exactly, but i don't know, why it works via ftp (for example deb stable main), but security repository not...
10:39<themill>because your path is wrong
10:40<themill>it's in /debian-security not in / for ftp because ftp is a silly protocol and can't do virtualhosts
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10:40<MrAnonymous>Uh, right, but it still works, 'course via http ;)
10:42<MrAnonymous>thx for explain
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10:43<johny>Hi All, I was hoping somebody could shed a light on a tiny problem i've been trying to solve...
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10:44<sander_m>Hello. I have a new Toshiba Satellite C55-A. I installed debian but it doesn't seem to boot. It appears to hang after "loading initial ramdisk". Can anyone help me debug this? I am running Jessie by the way (alreadt asked in debian-next but nobody could help me)
10:45<sander_m>I am able to run rescue mode from the installation CD but that's it
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10:45<johny>I need to make isc-dhcp-server start on boot for my pxe-server-vm to work both as pxe and dhcp server. I already ran the command update-rc.d isc-dhcp-server enable & update-rc.d isc-dhcp-server defaults and it is still not working... is there anything else?
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10:48<johny>the vm will only hand out IP leases if I login and manually start the dhcp server. I was hoping I could start it on boot like in CentOS chkconfig dhcpd on
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10:50<johny>sander_m, I had the same issue. But it was because I used the graphical installer. Use the CLI Installer and it will go smoothly :)
10:50<johny>not sure if graphical install is buggy
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10:54<tcarlz>Hey guys, I'm packaging a few open source projects (daemonize, pyodbc for python3, pgpool, ampq c library,...) as debs for work, and am wondering what more needs to be done so I can just put them up onto the official debian repository. Especially in terms of paperwork my employer may need to sign.
10:55<mgv>tcarlz: /join #debian-mentors may help you
10:55<Stummi>tcarlz, #debian-mentors is a good point to start
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10:55<Stummi>(you don't have to do any paperwork ;) )
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11:07<sander_m>johny, That's not the issue here. It's already installed. I just can't get the installed version to boot. I can run the installer CD fine in both text mode and graphical mode.
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11:09<johny>Understood sander_m. I am just relaying that the same happened to me. I re-installed using text instead of graphical and I no longer had issues
11:10<sander_m>johny, Ah, I uderstand. My installation was already installed using the text mode installer. I never use the graphical one.
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11:15<dondelelcaro>johny: it should just start; can you ls -l /etc/rc?.d/*dhcp*; ?
11:15<dondelelcaro>johny: and I'm assuming it starts if you run service isc-dhcp-server start; right?
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11:19<johny>dondelelcaro, yes it starts when I run the service command
11:20<johny>let me get the ls for you
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11:23<johny>during boot I see the [ ok] starting isc-DHCP-server but it won't work unless I login to the vm and manually run the service command
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11:27<dondelelcaro>johny: hrm. Is there something in the log?
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11:27<dondelelcaro>johny: it's possible that the interface that the dhcp server is expecting isn't up at the time that the server starts
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11:27<dondelelcaro>johny: yeah, that all looks OK.
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11:29<johny>It all looks good to me too, not sure why it won't work. this is a vm machine as a dhcp and pxe server. When I start a new vm a IP will not be leased and system halts when booting from Network. After I login to the server and manually start the service, the new vm picks up the next IP and pxe boots...
11:30<dondelelcaro>johny: by default it starts at S22, but assuming you're using dependency based booting, that shouldn't matter
11:30<dondelelcaro>johny: do you see any entries in /var/log/daemon.log?
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11:35<dondelelcaro>johny: sorry; I wasn't clear. You should be looking for entries in /var/log/daemon.log which immediately follow boot.
11:35<johny>the very top is the daemon.log
11:36<dondelelcaro>johny: yes, but it's not from right after boot
11:36<johny>ahh ok
11:36<johny>let me reboot the vm
11:36<dondelelcaro>johny: that's after your system has already started. Secondly, you aren't using DHCP to configure the host which is also the dhcpd server, are you?
11:36<dondelelcaro>johny: you don't need to reboot it. I just want the logs from that time period
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11:37<dondelelcaro>johny: err, and it's /var/log/syslog, actually
11:38<johny>:) I already reboot it
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11:46<johny>dondelelcaro, thanks for all the help so far. I must step out of the office right now... I'll resume this and do some more research and if I get it up and running i'd be happy to share with you how it was done. Thanks again
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12:09<one>What is the best map of Debian?
12:09<dondelelcaro>one: map?
12:10<dondelelcaro>one: you mean the best GIS software? or what? I'm not clear what you mean by map.
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12:11<one>Like Google Earth
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12:11<dondelelcaro>one: there are lots of open streetmap clients in Debian, for example.
12:11<one>for example?
12:12<dondelelcaro>one: openstreetmap-client, josm, etc.
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12:13<one>Thanks <dondelelcaro>
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12:17<one>and what best ide for python?
12:19<dondelelcaro>one: I'd personally say emacs, others would say vim.
12:19<znalo>some people like eclipse with the pydev plugin
12:19<dondelelcaro>right; eclipse is also a valid choice, I think.
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12:21<one>Pycharm is good?
12:23<dondelelcaro>dunno; I only use emacs.
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12:23<one>gvim is good?
12:23<petn-randall>!tell one -about best
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12:24<petn-randall>one: There is no general "best", there might be a piece of software that suits your taste in your specific case, though.
12:25<one>Is vim good
12:25<dondelelcaro>one: your best bet is to try a few, and see what you like. You'd be hard pressed to go wrong with vim or emacs, though.
12:25<one>Thanks for answers
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12:51<gabboman>Hi, I have an HDD and now I recived another one. I would like to make a raid 1
12:51<gabboman>Would it be "hard"?
12:51<gabboman>I mean, painful
12:53<jmcnaught>gabboman: if you're already using LVM, you can add the new physical volume to the volume group, then convert your logical volume(s) from linear to mirror. If not, you might need to back everything up and redo things, either using software raid (mdadm) or LVM
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12:53<sutula>gabboman: I guess it depends on whether you have stuff on it, and whether you want to boot from it...both of those things make it more difficult
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12:53<gabboman>Well, in the install we didn't used LVM
12:54<gabboman>mdadm is painfull and risky?
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12:54<blast007>you should back up your data regardless
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12:54<tranjeeshan>I installed Debian NetInst. I'm not usinng any display manager. So I've to type in **startx** to open i3wm
12:54<sutula>gabboman: Given it's a boot disk and you have stuff on it, I think the answer to your first question is that it will be hard.
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12:55<tranjeeshan>how can I log in to i3 automatically as soon as I provide username and password
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12:56<gabboman>It is a small server with a few services, and I'm interested in making a openvz installation for studying prouposes
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12:56<sutula>gabboman: If you can stand to reinstall from scratch, that would be easiest. Otherwise, there may be people here who could guide you into setting it up, but the install process already knows how to do it.
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12:57<gabboman>Thanks for the info, I'll try it in a few days
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13:01<TheMadDrizzle>Anyone know of a good offline language learning tool?
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13:31<seymour>hi .. on wheezy i have problems with the temperature of the cpus
13:31<seymour>any ideas?
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13:32<ratcheer>seymour: Are they highly utilized?
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13:33<seymour>ratcheer : no , to see a dvd it is over 80°c
13:33<seymour>87 -89
13:33<seymour>now i'm running only xchat at it is 60°c
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13:34<ratcheer>seymour: When you're watching a DVD, the CPU's probably are heavily utilized
13:35<ratcheer>But even 60 is pretty warm. Mine are less than 40
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13:37<seymour>i don't know if there are some softwares to manage cpu power ( or activity)
13:38<ratcheer>seymour: There is software to control the fan
13:38<seymour>ratcheer : the fan is on all time ...
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13:39<ratcheer>seymour: At those temps, I believe you ;)
13:40<jmcnaught>seymour: there's powertop which might help you figure it out
13:40<sney>if you do 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' and look at the cpu MHz, is it running full speed?
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13:44<seymour>sney : i have cpu MHz : 933.000
13:44<seymour>to each core
13:45<seymour>4 core ( 2 real and 2 virtual)
13:45<sney>you don't need to tell me the speed, you need to compare it to the maximum speed of your cpu. that's the one advertised
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13:47<seymour>yes it's nearly the maximum
13:47<seymour>but i'm running only xchat
13:48<sney>ok, so here's what's happening. your cpu isn't changing its frequency automatically, so it's just running at full speed, which it isn't designed to do
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13:50<seymour>sney : so my cpu is going to burn i suppose ..what can i do?
13:50<sney>go to google and search for your cpu and "cpufreq" and see if anyone else knows what the problem is in this case. if you get stuck, come back and ask us specific questions
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15:18<kg> for debian when?
15:18<centrx>kg, Generally when someone is interested enough to package it
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15:22<Vikinger>my sound just got berserk after using virtualBox
15:23<Vikinger>now even after shuting down virtualBox or restart the PC i cant get it to normal
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15:25<Vikinger>anyone whit a similar problem
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15:26<Vikinger>anyone whit a similar problem
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15:29<devil_>Vikinger: alsa or pulsaudio?
15:29<babilen>Well, rather also only or pa + alsa? :)
15:29<devil_>babilen: i was gonna make it easy :)
15:30<devil_>Vikinger: did you check your mixer?
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15:30<devil_>vbox should not interfer with the hosts audio at all
15:30<devil_>is that an onboard chip?
15:31<Vikinger>w8 is not working the mixer
15:31<Vikinger>i get :
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15:31<Vikinger>E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running.
15:31<Vikinger>E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.
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15:31<Alam_Squeeze>'pulseaudio --kill&&pulseaudio -vvvvv'
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15:33<Vikinger>Alam_Squeeze i get a bunch of stuff and in the end this :
15:33<Vikinger>E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running.
15:33<Vikinger>E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.
15:33<devil_>Vikinger: use a pastebin please
15:33<Vikinger>ok sorry
15:36<Alam_Squeeze>if you do no do the && and start up pulseaudio right away, something else is going to start it up..
15:37<Vikinger>dune it
15:37<Vikinger>i got the same result
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15:38<Vikinger>devil_ any thoughts ?
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15:38<devil_>not really
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15:39<Vikinger>what is causing this error ?
15:41<Alam_Squeeze>echo autospawn=no >> ~/.pulse/client.conf
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15:42<Vikinger> ?
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15:43<Alam_Squeeze>that should make pulsaudio stop auto spawning and see what pulseaudio -vvvvv's outputs says anything about playback issues
15:44<Vikinger>its all here :
15:45<Alam_Squeeze>you did do 'pulseaudio --kill', right?
15:47<Alam_Squeeze>sigh..., 'killall pulseaudio'
15:48<Vikinger>not that
15:48<Vikinger>gona try
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15:49<Vikinger>i get exactly the same
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15:56<Vikinger>any more ideas, google is not helping :|
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15:59<Vikinger>Alam_Squeeze how could i completly uninstall pulseaudio, and reinstall it afterwards ?
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15:59<Vikinger>i believe this is something on the pulseaudio config
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16:02<Vikinger>going to erase ~/.pulse and reboot
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16:09<one>I want to edit root@example
16:09<one>in start Terminal
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16:10<sney>that's your PS1
16:11<ncl_>maybe he might mean change the hostname too
16:11<one>How to edit this?
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16:11<sney>it's in /etc/bash.bashrc, you can override it in your ~/.bashrc as well
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16:12<ncl_>one: PS1='whatever ', the default is something like PS1='\u@\h:\w $'
16:12<sney>to see what it is currently, do echo $PS1
16:12<one>yes I know
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16:12<sney>if you know then why'd you ask so vaguely
16:13<one>I m sorry
16:13<one>so How edit
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16:14<sney>try changes with PS1='changes go here', then once you find something you like, declare it in .bashrc
16:14<ixi>,v openssh-client
16:14<judd>Package: openssh-client on i386 -- squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze-security: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:6.6p1-5; sid: 1:6.6p1-6
16:15<alegen>,v zsh
16:15<judd>Package: zsh on i386 -- squeeze: 4.3.10-14; wheezy: 4.3.17-1; jessie: 5.0.5-3; sid: 5.0.5-4
16:15<sney>one: keep your questions in the channel. I am not your personal tutor.
16:16<one>I want edit host name
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16:17<sney>then edit /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts, then reboot
16:17<alegen>or you can run "hostname [new name]"
16:18<alegen>but to persist changes do what sney said
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16:18<one>Thanks <alegen>
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16:19<one>hostname: the specified hostname is invalid
16:19<devil_>one: you should try autocomplete for nicknames :)
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16:20<sney>are you trying to use a hostname with spaces or special characters?
16:20<one>I want my hostname =ROOT
16:20<one>For example :)
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16:21<sney>you want the name of your computer to be ROOT?
16:21<devil_>one: type de and hit TAB
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16:22<ncl_>alegen: I think if you 'hostname' without updating /etc/hosts, things start complaining
16:22<ncl_>eg sudo
16:23<one>ncl_ : I edit /etc/hosts
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16:24<alegen>ncl_: indeed, you are right
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16:27<one>My hostname edited
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16:28<one>And I want to edit name user,How to edit?
16:28<blast007>one: the root user you mean? you don't. Create a new user with 'adduser NewUserNameHere'
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16:33<one>sa@ROOT I want to edit "sa"
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16:37<sney>so change /etc/passwd, or create a new user
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16:37<sney>I think you'd have to edit /etc/shadow too
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16:39<Vikinger>Alam_Squeeze are you still there ?
16:40<Vikinger>are you there devil_ ?
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16:41<Vikinger>my audio just got corrupted, do i have the HDD dualbooted and i tried windows where the sound works fine, then i tried ubuntu from a live USB and i get the same corrupted sound has in debian
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16:43<Vikinger>my audio just got corrupted, do i have the HDD dualbooted and i tried windows where the sound works fine, then i tried ubuntu from a live USB and i get the same corrupted sound has in debian
16:43<Vikinger>my audio just got corrupted, i have the HDD dualbooted and i tried windows where the sound works fine, then i tried ubuntu from a live USB and i get the same corrupted sound has in debian
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16:52<solydxk>Anyone know how to install solydxk?
16:53<mtn>how about that, no entry for it.
16:53<mtn>solydxk: not supported in ths channel
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16:55<Vikinger>my audio just got corrupted, i have the HDD dualbooted and i tried windows where the sound works fine, then i tried ubuntu from a live USB and i get the same corrupted sound has in debian
16:56<mtn>Vikinger: sound worked ok before?
16:56<devil_>Vikinger: we read it 4 times now
16:56<Vikinger>mtn: Yes
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16:56<mtn>Vikinger: and what did you change to cause it?
16:57<Vikinger>it started failing because of virtualbox
16:57<mtn>Vikinger: how does vbox have anything to do with your sound?
16:57<devil_>Vikinger: and why would that influence an ubuntu live cd?
16:57<Vikinger>mtn: thats the mistery
16:58<mtn>Vikinger: really doesn't sound logical to me
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16:59<Vikinger>mtn: i know, it really doesn't, even more weird now even with a live CD i get the exact same prolem
16:59<mtn>Vikinger: pretty much has to be hardware
17:00<Vikinger>mtn: but it does work on windows
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17:00<Vikinger>mtn: but that was my suspition
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17:07<one>I have a problem too :(
17:07<one>E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
17:08<Vikinger>its your connection
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17:08<Vikinger>the internet, or the file at /etc/apt/sources
17:08<one>I connected
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17:09<one>problem = /etc/apt/sources.list
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17:09<one>I have debian 7.5
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17:11<Vikinger>first comment out the first lines that start by, deb cdrom:
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17:12<babilen>dpkg: tell one -about show sources.list
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17:12<babilen>one: Also paste your command and its entire output to
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17:12<one>my source.list=
17:12<one>deb wheezy main
17:12<one>deb wheezy/updates main
17:12<one>deb wheezy-updates main
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17:14<one>What source.list at Debian 7.5?
17:15<Vikinger>use the pastebin
17:15<babilen>one: Welcome back. Please read the message the bot sent you *once again* and kindly run the command therein. Also do not paste into the channel, but to and include the command that causes the aforementioned error and its entire output.
17:16<one>What source.list at Debian 7.5?
17:16<one>Please say
17:16<babilen>one: hello?
17:16<Cyis>probably talking to a bot
17:16<Vikinger>one check what babilen is typing to you
17:16<babilen>one: Are you capable of communicating with us?
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17:17<mtn>good question ;)
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17:17<one>But I speak english is very bad
17:17<devil_>one: 7 and 7.5 makes no difference regarding sources.list. we told you that yesterday
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17:18<one>The problem is
17:18<babilen>That's okay. So please run "head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}" and put the output of that together with the command that results in "E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe …" and its entire output to
17:19<one>Why are told wrong?
17:19<Vikinger>babilen what about my sound problem Þ
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17:19<babilen>one: Would you be more comfortable in seeking support in a different language? What is your native language?
17:19<babilen>Vikinger: I have no idea about your sound problem and would recommend to ask in, say, #pulseaudio or #alsa on
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17:20<one>Can you speak persian?
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17:20<babilen>No, I cannot. I can offer German, English, Chinese and a little Russian. But then, just run "head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}" and paste its output along with the earlier command to
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17:22<Vikinger>one is arabic close to persian ?, sorry if im ofending.
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17:23<babilen>one: Yes, which command gives you an error and what is that command? You are also using unsupport repositories in there. I would recommend to *remove* /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-sublime-text-2-wheezy.list as that is what probably causes your problem.
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17:24<babilen>one: What did you run to get ""E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe …"" ?
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17:25<babilen>one: I am sure you used an apt-get or aptitude command. Do you remember it?
17:26<one>I use apt-get not aptitude
17:27<babilen>Yes, so which command gave you the "E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe …" error?
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17:27<dougdiez>where i can find a tutorial to learn how i can deal with different instalations file like: .tar.gz, .tar.xz, .run, .sh .... ?
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17:27<one>No my source.list is bad
17:28<one>Is broken
17:28<rryoumaa>dougdiez: dunno, but gzip, tar then xz, dunno, and shell script, respectively
17:28<mtn>dougdiez: if it were me I would look for them using a search engine
17:28<babilen>dougdiez: I can't think of a single tutorial, but you really shouldn't use most of them. Compiling tarballs also really depends on the build system the upstream software uses, so while people might want to simplify it as "./configure ; make ; make install" it is typically a bit more involved than that.
17:28<devil_>one: babilen told you what to remove. the ppa is from ubuntu, no good for debian usualy
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17:29<babilen>one: Why is it bad?
17:29<sininen>dougdiez: also read the README file
17:29<babilen>dpkg: tell dougdiez -about usrlocal
17:29<babilen>dpkg: tell dougdiez -about stow
17:29<one>How to remove?
17:30<babilen>one: You ran a command earlier. That command gave you an error. What was that command?
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17:30<devil_>use your favourite editor
17:30<one>what locate
17:30<mtn>babilen: I admire your patience
17:30<devil_>one: /etc/apt/sources.list
17:30<devil_>one: we all had that the other day, you should take notes
17:31<one>It is not
17:31<babilen>one: You want to remove /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-sublime-text-2-wheezy.list, but *before* you do that I want you to paste the command that caused that error.
17:31<devil_>one: then maybe: [23:30:37] <devil_> one: /etc/apt/sources.list.d
17:31<babilen>one: But remove it. Run "rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-sublime-text-2-wheezy.list" and then "apt-get update"
17:31*devil_ wants a purple pony
17:32*babilen hands devil_ a pink pony
17:32<devil_>nah, needs to be purple
17:33<one>Was true
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17:33<devil_>one: please be more verbose noone knows what 'was true' referrs to
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17:34<one>Got something to say
17:35<one>And I can to apt-get now
17:35<babilen>You are welcome
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17:36<one>Do you understand what I am saying?
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17:37<one>I speak english bad?
17:37<one>I speak is english bad?
17:37<devil_>you do not go into detail enough
17:38<dougdiez>thanks babilen! im begin understanding now
17:38<devil_>a lot of it is guesswork to know what you want to say
17:38<babilen>dougdiez: Generally speaking I would recommend to not install something manually as you will be doing it wrong in most cases.
17:39<dougdiez>yeah, i feel that xD
17:39<one>So ,This work is very hard
17:39<babilen>I mean sure there are justified occasions, but *a lot* of software has been packaged in Debian and you are much more likely to not break your system if you simply stick to the package managers.
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17:41<dougdiez>i always try to find using: apt-cache search 'program name' [...] but, sometimes i didn't find what i'm searching, or the description is so confuse that i don't know how i procede
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17:42<babilen>dougdiez: Is there anything you'd like to install now?
17:42<dougdiez>im trying to install skype
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17:42<dougdiez>and teamspeak3 too
17:42<igmp>dougdiez: there is no .deb package ?
17:42<one>You can use from this "*"
17:43<one>use metacharacter
17:43<dougdiez>well, that's another problem, the .deb package is .i386 =/
17:43<cra1g321>dougdiez are you on a 64bit install ?
17:43<dougdiez>i got it from the official skype website
17:43<igmp>you can still enable multiarch
17:43<dougdiez>yes cralg321
17:44<cra1g321>dougdiez maybe this will help you
17:44<one><dougdiez>:You can use from this "*"
17:45<one><dougdiez>:The use of meta-characters
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17:47<babilen>dougdiez: Skype installation is documented on no idea about teamspeak
17:47<babilen>dpkg: teamspeak
17:47<dpkg>TeamSpeak is proprietary <VoIP> software allowing users to speak on a chat channel, much like a telephone conference call. A TeamSpeak user will often wear a headset with an integrated microphone. Users use the TeamSpeak client software to connect to a TeamSpeak server, then join chat channels. Packaged for Debian as teamspeak-client and teamspeak-server, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <mumble>.
17:47<babilen>judd: v teamspeak-client
17:47<judd>Package: teamspeak-client on i386 -- wheezy/non-free: 2.0.32-3.1
17:48<babilen>dpkg: Use a sources.list such as then run "apt-get update" and install the teamspeak-client with "apt-get install teamspeak-client"
17:48<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, babilen
17:48<babilen>dougdiez: ^^^
17:48<babilen>(pesky d<TAB>)
17:50<dougdiez>when installing skype i got this: Error during install: 'E:Method cdrom has died unexpectedly!, E:Sub-process cdrom received signal 2.
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17:50<babilen>dougdiez: Use the sources.list I pasted and then repeat the procedure.
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18:36<Guest361>im not guest
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18:41<devil_>so change your nick
18:41<andrewsmith>i did its a bit tricky
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18:42<devil_>it's not :)
18:42<devil_> /nick newnick
18:42<SamB>how does one get that kind of nick in the first place
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18:44<ntux>Hello, Does Wheezy support Haswell Graphics without requiring backports kernel?
18:45<andrewsmith>what guest b?
18:45<andrewsmith>xchat did it
18:45<andrewsmith>sometimes its linux
18:46<andrewsmith>whats haswell exactly ? just wondering ?
18:47<andrewsmith>intresting never heard of that brand.
18:47<ntux>Intel HD 4600
18:48<andrewsmith>i have intergrated grapics. good for most things.
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18:50<tranjeeshan>I don't have Documents, Pictures, Videos etc. directory in Home dir
18:50<tranjeeshan>what to do?
18:50<tranjeeshan>I've installed Debian NetInst
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18:51<andrewsmith>how close is deb to ubuntu ?
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18:52<igmp>andrewsmith: ubuntu is a derivative from debian
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18:52<tranjeeshan>any solution?
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18:52<sney>tranjeeshan: those directories are usually created by desktop environments
18:53<igmp>tranjeeshan: do you have a desktop environment ?
18:53<sney>he quit
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18:53<andrewsmith>i know
18:53<andrewsmith>just how big a diffrence is there ?
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18:54<sney>the package manager is the same, most of the config layout is the same, a lot of the software is the same. stock configurations are very different and so is the user interface, often
18:54<sney>they also have very differnet policies regarding software licenses etc.
18:54<igmp>andrewsmith: I think the biggest difference is the spirit of the distribution
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18:55<andrewsmith>so so diffrences
18:55<andrewsmith>so as long a sthe softyware works on both idont mind at all.
18:55<SamB>I think you'll find more maintainers crazy enough to attempt to accomodate your esoteric needs here
18:55<ntux>Does anyone know if xserver-xorg-video-intel in Debian 7.5 supports Intel HD 4600?
18:55<SamB>well, more maintainers too ...
18:56<andrewsmith>any one tried slackware i found it painful to use.
18:56<igmp>andrewsmith: if you're interessing in a stable system I recommend you to use debian stable
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18:56<sney>ntux: we would have to look it up for you. may have that information.
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18:56<andrewsmith>i use ubuntu
18:56<igmp>interested in
18:57<andrewsmith>i use 12.04
18:57<dougdiez>to me get the repositories for non-free, i should write this on terminal: deb jessie main contrib non-free
18:57<dougdiez>deb-src jessie main contrib non-free
18:57<dougdiez>deb jessie/updates main contrib non-free
18:57<dougdiez>deb-src jessie/updates main contrib non-free
18:57<dougdiez>deb jessie-updates main contrib non-free
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18:58<andrewsmith>so thats flooding
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18:58<abrotman>That's one word for it ..
18:58<estudio>i thought it was a ban
18:59<dougdiez>lol i get kicked for my wall-of-text, sorry
18:59<andrewsmith>i was kicked from android room efnet
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19:00<sney>dougdiez: the lines are fine, but you add them to /etc/apt/sources.list. and the jessie-updates and jessie/updates repos will be empty until november at least
19:00<andrewsmith>flooding was aware it was bad
19:00<igmp>dougdiez: so you should write that in the /etc/apt/sources.list file
19:00<abrotman>andrewsmith: Do you need help with Debian?
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19:00<abrotman>andrewsmith: this is not a social channel, this is a support channel
19:00<andrewsmith>oh jeez
19:00<andrewsmith>is there a way to configure app grid ?
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19:01<sney>!ubuntuirc andrewsmith
19:01<dpkg>andrewsmith: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
19:01<dougdiez>thanks sney and igmp, i will try this
19:01<andrewsmith>works in 14.04 but not 12.04
19:01<igmp>dougdiez: oh and you need to be root
19:01<abrotman>andrewsmith: this channel is for debian support .. not Ubuntu
19:01<andrewsmith>no ubuntu room
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19:01<sney>andrewsmith: please re-read what dpkg just told you
19:01<abrotman>andrewsmith: try #ubuntu on, have a nice day
19:02<ntux>No Info
19:03<dougdiez>how i can be the root? i'm already root on terminal, i guess this is different things right ?
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19:04<sney>ntux: keep your questions in the channel, I am not your personal tutor
19:04<sney>dougdiez: 'sudo -i' is usually how I do it.
19:04<sney>if sudo isn't installed on your system, 'su' also works
19:05<igmp>dougdiez: if you're root on a terminal and launch a text editor from it, it is ok
19:05<sney>also this
19:05<dougdiez>yes, i use 'su' on terminal
19:05<dougdiez>so i will try from terminal
19:05<igmp>and if you yan a small text editor you can use nano for instance
19:06<ntux>I very well know that
19:06<hicks>ntux: afaik, wheezy nor backports is up to date enough for the 4600
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19:08<ntux>Thanks hicks. Is it documented anywhere?
19:08<hicks>there's a mention of it in the bumblebee page on the wiki iirc
19:08<hicks>that's where I ran into it anyway
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19:09<ntux>what is wiki iirc
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19:09<abrotman> ?
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19:11<hicks>~half way down the page
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19:13<ntux>It looks like Wheezy does not support HD4600 by default
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20:15<dougdiez>how i can edit my sources.list ?
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20:15<dualbus>dougdiez: with a text editor?
20:15<SamB>dougdiez: nano usually works nicely
20:17<dougdiez>do you know where i can find a good tutorial for using nano ?
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20:19<abrotman>it's pretty simple .. the commands are at the bottom
20:19<dougdiez>i type the commands in nano but nothing happens
20:19<abrotman>which ocmmands?
20:20<dougdiez>^G in first place for help, but nothing happen
20:20<abrotman>what do you thnik that means to type?
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20:21<abrotman>dougdiez: ?
20:21<dougdiez>i dont know
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20:21<abrotman>dougdiez: so what command did you attempt to type to get to the help?
20:21<abrotman>yes .. what does that mean?
20:21<abrotman>what did you actually type?
20:22<dougdiez>i cant understand what you are trying to say, but i digited on nano terminal: ^G
20:22<dougdiez>nothing happen
20:22<abrotman>Did you type a "^" ?
20:22<abrotman>that means ctrl-g
20:23<abrotman>the carat denotes a ctrl-<char> in that context
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20:24<dougdiez>i am shamed about that xD
20:24<abrotman>You should be ..
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20:29<dondelelcaro>!now you know
20:29<dpkg>And knowing is half the battle! YO JOE!
20:30<Eryn_1983_FL>hey peeps
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20:30<Eryn_1983_FL>i got a sda3 partition i cant open..
20:31<Eryn_1983_FL>its not lvm, and not ext3, i tried mounting it witb -t and it just says linux in cfdisk
20:31<Eryn_1983_FL>what can i do
20:31<abrotman>-t what?
20:31<abrotman>-t auto?
20:32<dougdiez>abrotman: i laughing until now about that [...] when i open my sources.list, i can just write in the screen? how i can save into the file? i didn't find in my search
20:32<Eryn_1983_FL>ext3 ext2 ext4 etc just bad fs type
20:33<abrotman>dougdiez: it tells you at the bottom .. I believ eit's ctrl-o
20:33<Eryn_1983_FL>i'd like to see whats on it before i wipe
20:36<Eryn_1983_FL>ther is no mention of it on fstab or in lvm should i just wipe?
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20:36<Eryn_1983_FL>there should be no raid on this machine or weird stuff...
20:37<abrotman>Eryn_1983_FL: fdisk -l /dev/sda
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20:39<Eryn_1983_FL>\83 linux
20:39<Eryn_1983_FL>/dev/sda3 3516408693 3907029167 195310237+ 83 Linux
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20:41<abrotman>Eryn_1983_FL: did you encrypt it perhaps?
20:42<Eryn_1983_FL>nope. maybe its a old lvm that got corrupted. i remember trying to get everything on one di9sk but it wouldnt go.
20:42<Eryn_1983_FL>remnant of that perhaps
20:43<Eryn_1983_FL>i'll wipe it later
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20:44<abrotman>Eryn_1983_FL: You could go with the "Hrm, I guess if I don't know what it is, I couldn't have needed it that badly"
20:45<Eryn_1983_FL>ty for the help ttyl
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20:47<newbage>I just installed peazip with 'dpkg -i peazip' and it installed fine... but now I can't figure out where it installed to or how to open it... help?
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20:48<abrotman>newbage: dpkg -L peazip
20:50<newbage>so i'm assuming... /usr/local/bin/peazip ?
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20:52<dougdiez>i want to add non-free into my repos... these commands are right ?
20:52<dougdiez>im using jessie
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20:54<abrotman>uhm, not qiute
20:55<abrotman>dougdiez: you just need the first two .. comment out the rest with a # .. you may need them later
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20:55<newbage>I can't open a rar file with debian
20:56<newbage>I can't use peazip since it won't open
20:56<newbage>and the default archive utility doesn't work
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20:57<abrotman>dpkg: tell newbage about unrar
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20:59<newbage>so, 'apt-get install unrar' ?
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21:00<newbage>I don't know why the peazip install isn't working...
21:02<dougdiez>abrotman: when i try to save my changes in sources.list, i get the error: No space left on devie
21:02<dougdiez>debian is not for newbies, i spent more than a hour to just add some lines in sources.list =(
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21:03<retrospectacus>it does encourage learning
21:03<retrospectacus>your disk is full.
21:04<dougdiez>lol how? thats impossible
21:05<dougdiez>my learning curve line its terrible then hahaha
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21:06<sney>df -h
21:06<newbage>oh my god... when did it become so hard to open a rar file!?!
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21:07<newbage>I install peazip and it vanishes
21:07<sney>newbage, probably around the time rar was a proprietary format and people making software to open it had to reverse engineer it. oh, that's always.
21:07<newbage>well, peazip usually works just fine
21:07<newbage>only I can't seem to install it
21:07<sney>peazip isn't in debian so shrug
21:08<newbage>well, let's get something that is...
21:08<newbage>I chose peazip because it will open anything
21:08<retrospectacus>newbage: "unrar" in non-free should open it
21:08<sininen>newbage: apt-get install p7zip-full p7zip-rar
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21:09<newbage>sininen: nice
21:09<newbage>Package 'p7zip-rar' has no installation candidate
21:09<newbage>once again debian hates me
21:09<sininen>oh, it's on nonfree
21:10<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell newbage about non-free sources
21:10<newbage>time to update sources.list
21:10<quiescence>hi, quick question, just installed debian 8 with gnome: whenever i select a window, whatever was "on top" disappears, how can I force to keep it there but behind?
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21:11<quiescence>it is particularly annoying when I am using a transparent terminal and have a text file behind, I can see through just fine but the said file disappears
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21:12<estudio>hi i am using Debian 3.14.4-1 trying to check my cpu temperature
21:12<ratcheer>estudio: lm-sensors
21:12<estudio>i have lm-sensors and sensors-applet installed but when i run sensors it says "no sensors found try running sensors-detect". When i run the command it says command not found, and apt-get install says cannot locate package
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21:13<estudio>i also have libsensors4 installed
21:13<estudio>when i look up the error in google always the fix is to run sensors-detect
21:13<estudio>or acpi -t which neither works
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21:13<retrospectacus>sensors-detect must be run as root
21:14<estudio>retrospectacus, oh
21:14<estudio>it works that way
21:14<newbage>ok, I changed sources.list but I can't unrar anything
21:15<estudio>retrospectacus, it asks me "To load everything that is needed, add this to /etc/modules:" but the default option is NO
21:15<estudio>what should i do?
21:15<jest>im running deb7 w/ gnome. when i run bleachbit the screen will blank-out for a second before coming back on. sometimes when i run it I get something analogous to a Blue Screen of Death where the system says there was a terminal error and that i have been logged out to prevent further problems. anyone know what could be causing this?
21:15<retrospectacus>newbage: did you install unrar or p7zip-rar?
21:16<newbage>Package 'p7zip-rar' has no installation candidate
21:16<newbage>is what I get
21:17<retrospectacus>newbage: did you run "apt-get update"?
21:17<estudio>newbage, p7zip-full maybe contains it
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21:18<estudio>well i added the lines to the file
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21:18<estudio>is it needed to reboot to get the sensors working?
21:18<newbage>retrospectacus: duh, that was it...
21:18<estudio>for now it keeps saying no sensors found
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21:19<estudio>and acpi -t keeps throwing nothing
21:19<sleser>try the cpu wiget
21:19<retrospectacus>I think you must reboot for /etc/modules changes to take effect?
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21:21<dougdiez>my iceweasel is freezing, anyone know what could be ?
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21:22<retrospectacus>probably the website(s), possibly your plugins
21:23<sleser>mine froze last nite also
21:23<sleser>just ones
21:23<sleser>kill it open it again
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21:24<dougdiez>only plugin i got is WOT 'web of trust' ... its freezing everytime
21:24<sleser>inside preferences pute never remember history
21:24<dougdiez>btw, my chromium is much more faster than iceweasel
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21:25<estudio>retrospectacus, it worked indeed
21:25<estudio>thanks very much
21:25<estudio>can i ask you a few questions about linux in general?
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21:26<dougdiez>when i use terminal to deal with packages, im getting this:
21:26<dougdiez>im trying to install skype since yesterday =/
21:27<estudio>i am a newbie myself but have you tried checking in sources.list if the line was duplicated?
21:27<retrospectacus>dougdiez: the warning is clear... and only a warning, doesn't affect anything
21:27<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell dougdiez about skype
21:28<retrospectacus>estudio: just ask
21:28<estudio>well i am using lxde as my DE
21:28<estudio>but i see i have some gnome tools installed
21:28<Eremiell>Hi! I've been trying to set up a PXE installer. I did everything step by step as in but it keeps failing. Tried on two different "servers" and two different "clients", still fails the same way. Googling the error messages didn't show the way. On server, I'm getting "client does not accept options" (which according to one source is nonfatal, normal and OK), on client I'm getting something like "cannot load ld
21:28<estudio>are all DE derivated of gnome and KDE? or is it just a compatibility?
21:29<retrospectacus>estudio: any program can be installed/run on any DE; simply a matter of what is included by default and looks/behaves similar
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21:30<estudio>can i have for example in a debian a X server to run a game, without loading anything from the DE?
21:30<SamB>estudio: you don't need a DE at all
21:30<retrospectacus>estudio: yes, if you want
21:30<SamB>ever, unless you want it
21:30<estudio>to run a game SamB ?
21:31<SamB>you can use whatever WM you like, or even no WM at all if you're feeling quite adventurous
21:31<estudio>that sounds likefun SamB
21:31<dougdiez>i didn't nothing duplicated in my sources.list, thats weird
21:31<estudio>can you point me to a wiki about that?
21:31<sininen>estudio: search about openbox
21:31<Eremiell>dougdiez: check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
21:32<estudio>okay sininen
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21:32<Eremiell>dougdiez: some third-party packages keep readding their own list even if you have it in the main sources.list file.
21:33<dougdiez>Eremiell: 0 items inside the directory
21:33<SamB>estudio: was mostly kidding about the "no WM at all" option
21:33<estudio>i was having a hard time trying to imagine that
21:34<estudio>i thought that the terminal created a terminal provisionary window without any external WM :P
21:34<Eremiell>SamB: not that it shouldn't be possible.
21:34<rostam>hi how dhclient starts in wheezy? I mean I need the code (script) which gets invoked to start the dhclient. thx
21:34<SamB>Eremiell: certainly
21:35<SamB>I mean, I wasn't kidding that it's an option; I was not, however, offering to explain how or why to do it
21:35<estudio>too bad
21:35<estudio>i was ready to learn
21:35<Eremiell>estudio: you can run an X instance without any wm, dm, de or whatever. you get a blank grey screen and can techically run stuff on top of it. but it's not really an effective way to do stuff.
21:36<retrospectacus>you can do that - disable your DM, "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" and allow console to start X, then login to TTY, then run "xinit yourGame -- :0" or so
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21:36<SamB>yeah, if you can arrange for your game to go fullscreen I guess it isn't all that crazy to do
21:37<SamB>but you really don't want to do that with anything that so much as pops up a dialog, I think
21:38<SamB>I mean, a real dialog; a dialog painted on its game-canvas is fine obviously
21:39<retrospectacus>I used to do that so the WM wouldn't mess with my game with its extra rendering effects, and use up ram and cpu
21:39<dougdiez>i followed this steps but i got this error at this point:
21:39<SamB>retrospectacus: I haven't really used any such WMs on Linux
21:40<retrospectacus>dougdiez: looks like your "wget" got a html or some junk instead of the skype deb
21:40<Eremiell>Before it gets lost and forgetten, last call: anyone knows how to make PXE Boot Install work? If not, I'm back to some more traditional way. I need to make the box running.
21:41<dougdiez>retrospectacus: cool, i guess i will take 2 days to install only skype lol
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21:41<retrospectacus>dougdiez: WFM though - does it download a DEB in your browser?
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21:41<dougdiez>retrospectacus: yes
21:41<retrospectacus>dougdiez: dpkg -i should work on that
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21:42<Eremiell>dougdiez: well, if you don't get duplicite repo in sources.list neither any file in sources.list.d, then apt shouldn't see any duplicities, I guess.
21:43<Eremiell>dougdiez: I remember, I installed skype once. I found a repo url somewhere (not sure if official site or not), same for repo key, installed both the traditional way and let apt make the rest. Do that for all third-party stuff.
21:43<retrospectacus>skype doesn't provide a repo anymore - just a .deb download
21:44<SamB>retrospectacus: how strange
21:44<Eremiell>retrospectacus: oh, that sucks. you sure?
21:44<dougdiez>Eremiell: i got no archives inside sources.list.d, and my sources.list is here: im newbie, but i dont see any duplicate here
21:44<Eremiell>how do they push updates?
21:44<Eremiell>dougdiez: and a[t says you get some?
21:45<dougdiez>yes !
21:45<estudio>well that is a useful insight SamB and Eremiell
21:45<rostam>hi how dhclient starts in wheezy? I mean I need the code (script) which gets invoked to start the dhclient. thx
21:46<Eremiell>dougdiez: you've got quite some.
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21:46<SamB>rostam: are you trying to start it again, or did you want to debug something, or what?
21:46<Eremiell>dougdiez: you've got lines with just main on top, and the very same lines with main contrib non-free later. so it grabs main twice.
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21:46<estudio>dougdiez, if you open synaptic and examine in preferences -software sources, can you see each of the listed sources?
21:47<dougdiez>Eremiell: when i try to execute the downloaded skype-install.deb i got this: Archive format is not recognized!
21:47<Eremiell>dougdiez: don't execute it. sudo dpkg -i it.
21:47<rostam>SamB: I just want to know who it starts and how the running parameters are passed to it? thx
21:48<dougdiez>same error Eremiell:
21:48<estudio>thakns all for the help bye
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21:49<Eremiell>dougdiez: maybe corrupted download. try to redownload. also make sure, you're getting the right arch.
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21:50<dougdiez>WTF! now when i try to download, i got : Failed - Disk full
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21:50<abrotman>maybe your disk is full
21:50<dougdiez>that's just bizarre
21:50<Eremiell>dougdiez: and...isn't you disk...full? :) df -h
21:52<dougdiez>LOL my home is full, but HOW !?
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21:52<dougdiez>thats impossible
21:52<SamB>dougdiez: what saith "df"?
21:52<SamB>(I probably screwed up the grammar there)
21:53<abrotman>sayeth ?
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21:54<abrotman>so what did you download or put in /home/ ?
21:54<dougdiez>how i got 88gb ? i just install a few basic programs
21:54<rryoumaa>SamB: saith is correct
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21:54<dougdiez>that's im trying to find
21:54<SamB>rryoumaa: yes but I'm not sure it's the right form for the tense or whetever ...
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21:55<SamB>dougdiez: well, um, first of all have you actually been installing software in $HOME ?
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21:55*abrotman suspects not ..
21:56<Eremiell>well, your /home apparently is full. or at least the fs thinks so. :)
21:56<SamB>also, anyone want to recommend a disk usage visualization program?
21:56<SamB>Eremiell: well, it's not quite full; it's still reserving 5% or so for root, I think
21:57<dougdiez>no, even i did, i installed just a few programs like chromium, xchat
21:57<dougdiez>i didnt get any media files like music, video, nothing!
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21:59<SamB>dougdiez: well, there's the old "du | sort -n" if you want, or you could use agedu or xdiskusage or kdirstat or ...
22:01<dougdiez>well, debian is not for me, i will back to windows
22:01<dougdiez>3 days and i cant use skype or few basic programms
22:02<abrotman>perhaps you should try a more user-friendly distro ?
22:02<dougdiez>my disk is clean, my personal archives are ALL in windows partition, is just IMPOSSIBLE to my home got full
22:02<SamB>you accumulated that much stuff in /home in THREE DAYS ?
22:03<SamB>maybe you've been hacked or something ...
22:03<dougdiez>yeah im betting on that
22:03<SamB>hard to say without the tail of "du | sort -n" for /home
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22:05<dougdiez>thats is why all my programms are freezing
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22:08<dougdiez>I would really like to thank all of you, I hope to return soon to Debian.
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22:10<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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22:15<Eremiell>I sometimes really don't understand some of those guys. They come with some problem and when we find it and propose a solution, they decide to change distro, or to let it be, or something.
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22:19<oldlaptop>the solution is sometimes scary
22:19<oldlaptop>[22:03:31] <SamB> hard to say without the tail of "du | sort -n" for /home
22:19<oldlaptop>may well be incomprehensible to the average windows refugee
22:20<SamB>oldlaptop: well, he didn't have a problem when I asked him what "df" said
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22:20<oldlaptop>yeah, also mentioned 'using terminal to deal with packages'
22:21<oldlaptop>Think my point still stands in the general case though, sadly
22:21<dougdiez>hey guys i'm back! i found it ! the .xsession-errors.old get 93Gb and was growing !!!!! i deleted it!
22:21<oldlaptop>That would explain something
22:21<SamB>is there a way to get that autotrimmed? programs these days are so sloppy ...
22:22<oldlaptop>I would imagine it's recreated and still growing now, can we see a portion of it?
22:22<oldlaptop>probably the same thing over and over
22:22<sininen>i noticed i had a very very long .xession-errors just yesterday, too. but not near 93 gb
22:22<dougdiez>in this time i created another file with the same name, that is enough ?
22:22<oldlaptop>enough for what?
22:23<dougdiez>stop this cancer growing in my debian ?
22:23<oldlaptop>I would imagine the log will still get written to
22:23<oldlaptop>you also don't want to suppress logs
22:23<dark-jedi>lol. 93Gb of errors!?
22:23<oldlaptop>logfiles growing to multiple GBs is usually indicative of a *serious* problem
22:23<SamB>can you use logrotate at the per-user level?
22:24<oldlaptop>or possibly an idiotic bug in the software
22:24<SamB>oldlaptop: yeah, I was leaning towards "GNOME/KDE crap"
22:24<dougdiez>what is this? im newbie, it's my third day on linux
22:24<oldlaptop>dougdiez: .xsession-errors is a logfile
22:24<dougdiez>i just tried to install skype, nothing more
22:25<oldlaptop>many programs record things that happen in logfiles, often errors or warnings of some kind
22:25<dougdiez>i got xchat and chromium
22:25<SamB>dougdiez: well, could you run "tail -n 100 .xsession-errors" or something like that?
22:25<oldlaptop>It is *very* abnormal to have logfiles grow to multiple GB in a few days, that indicates either a serious problem somewhere or a stupid bug in the software
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22:26<dougdiez>SamB i deleted it
22:26<oldlaptop>(93GB for one log is crazy even for a server that hasn't had logs rotated in a year or so)
22:26<dougdiez>i got this : tail: cannot open ‘.xsession-erros’ for reading: No such file or directory
22:26<SamB>dougdiez: well, log out and log back in first, then do it?
22:26<retrospectacus>"errors" not erros
22:26<retrospectacus>dougdiez: press TAB lots
22:26<SamB>well, yes, that would help too
22:27<SamB>but I do think it's likely it hasn't been recreated
22:27<SamB>though maybe it still exists and is wasting space
22:27<dougdiez>look this
22:27<dougdiez>some people got hundreds of Gbs !
22:27<oxez>The first replies are to ignore the errors and redirect to /dev/null, nice
22:28<oldlaptop>pretty bad idea
22:28<SamB>oxez: well, given how inane the stuff in there tends to be due to the aforementioned KDE/GNOME/etc. stuff, I can sorta follow that
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22:29<SamB>bad idea, yes, but it's still tempting
22:29<dougdiez>since i deleted, the file didn't come back
22:29<dougdiez>i will try to install skype again, lets see what happens
22:29<jpinx>> /dev/null untill there is a problem .. then makeit log corretly and re-create theproblem ?
22:29<abrotman>might want to restart X an dsee if it comes back
22:30<SamB>dougdiez: did you restart X ?
22:30<dougdiez>ok, restarting than
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22:30<SamB>jpinx: I mean, I would be tempted if I wasn't aware of the fact that there are tools for rotating logs
22:30<oxez>jpinx: that sounds like waiting for an impending doom
22:30<oldlaptop>I have a 1.2MB .xsession-errors here, the system's been installed for a couple years
22:31<oldlaptop>It only goes back to this afternoon though, interesting
22:31<oldlaptop>it certainly is pretty inane, not even errors :|
22:31<abrotman>oldlaptop: that file gets overwritten when you relogin to X
22:31<SamB>abrotman: that's not nearly often enough!
22:31<abrotman>it's per session AFAIK
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22:32<SamB>that would explain the name though
22:32<dougdiez>i'm back
22:32<abrotman>we noticed
22:32<dougdiez>tail: cannot open ‘.xsession-erros.old’ for reading: No such file or directory
22:32<oldlaptop>that's a typo
22:32<SamB>where did the .old come from
22:32<SamB>if that's a typo, I mean
22:33<oldlaptop>[22:29:56] <dougdiez> i will try to install skype again, lets see what happens
22:33<oldlaptop>Skype (or similar proprietary applications) might possibly do this.
22:33<dougdiez>my problem is with the .old on final
22:33<oldlaptop>Looking at the .xsession-errors I have here, it's mostly spam from different applications
22:34<SamB>oldlaptop: I know, right?
22:34<oldlaptop>wouldn't be surprised if some proprietary junk really spams it hard
22:34<oldlaptop>dougdiez: the .old one will be from the previous session
22:34<SamB>I haven't got one of those files at the moment, but I know I've seen many GUI apps spam output hard
22:35<SamB>all these pussy-footed failed asserts and stuff
22:35<oldlaptop>.xsession-errors will have output from your current X session (i.e. since your last login)
22:35<SamB>what kind of failed assert leaves the app unphased, I ask you?
22:35<jpinx>dougdiez: tail -f .xsession-errors (as root)
22:35<dougdiez>OH NO HE IS BACK
22:36<dougdiez>i see this cancer growing in the folder, but tail command didnt work
22:36<oldlaptop>SamB: I have a plasma task manager thing (plasma-widget-smooth-tasks) which apparently outputs an "error" for each taskbar state change
22:36<oldlaptop>dougdiez: why did it not work?
22:37<jpinx>dougdiez: define "ddn't work"
22:37<dougdiez>tail: cannot open ‘.xsession-erros.old’ for reading: No such file or directory
22:37<dougdiez>but the file is there
22:37<dougdiez>and is growing
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22:37<jpinx>dougdiez: ls -al .x*
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22:38<sininen>deleting a file doesn't delete it if a program is still using it
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22:38<oldlaptop>dougdiez: please try to understand, '.xsession-erros.old' does not exist
22:38<oldlaptop>how is the computer supposed to know you mean '.xsession-errors'?
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22:39<retrospectacus>dougdiez: type .xse and then press TAB for auto-completion (or suggestions)
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22:41<oldlaptop>dougdiez: try that on '.xsession-errors', please
22:41<oldlaptop>(why oh why do things spam the log even as they die)
22:42<sininen>he rm'd .xsession-errors, i think
22:42<SamB>"For the masochist: fix all the bugs!" <>
22:43<retrospectacus>it will be immediately recreated if he rm'd it
22:43<jpinx>dougdiez: do it without the " .old " suffix
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22:43<dougdiez>my problem is whit the .old
22:43<abrotman>so delete it
22:44<jello>hi, i need help with pulseaudio. i've checked and my mixer is unmuted, but i can't get any sound when i use paplay to hear a sample WAV file. any ideas?
22:44<jpinx>dougdiez: are you working as root ?
22:44<dougdiez>yes jpinx
22:44<oldlaptop>dougdiez: .xsession-errors.old is a copy of the file from the *last session*
22:44<oldlaptop>it had to grow as a '.xsession-errors' first
22:45<jpinx>unless it grows so fast that it become ...old very quickly
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22:45<jpinx>dougdiez: rm the ....old one
22:46<dougdiez>already removed
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22:47<jpinx>dougdiez: confirm with ls .al .x*
22:47<jpinx>dougdiez: confirm with ls -al .x*
22:47*SamB wonders if this would be a good usecase for journal; does journal do any sort of de-dupeing?
22:48<dougdiez>confirmed jpinx, is already removed
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22:50<jpinx>dougdiez: df -h
22:50<jpinx>how's your space problem now ?
22:50<dougdiez>for now is solved
22:51<dougdiez>/dev/sda6 93G 266M 88G 1% /home
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22:52<oldlaptop>dougdiez: next time (if there is one) you see a similar issue, try looking inside (with something like that tail command) to see *what* that stuff is
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22:53<oldlaptop>it might obviously implicate some buggy application
22:53<oldlaptop>(you may want to read the head(1) and tail(1) manpages)
22:53<dougdiez>sure! i was scared and removed it quickly
22:54<oldlaptop>e.g. type 'man tail'
22:54<oldlaptop>Debian also has a web interface for manpages:
22:54<oldlaptop>*also* at least the KDE 'Help' app thingie shows manpages
22:55<oldlaptop>(if I recall correctly)
22:55<oldlaptop>possibly the GNOME one does too
22:55<SamB>actually, the command '>.xsession-errors' is probably much more effective than just deleting it
22:56<SamB>since the file won't actually go away until it's no longer opened by anything
22:57<oldlaptop>dougdiez: in fact... if you happen to have konqueror installed (personally recommend it highly even if you don't use the KDE plasma desktop), try pointing it at man:tail
22:57<retrospectacus>I accidentally filled up /run/shm and got "df -h" showing 100% use on it... deleted my files from it but I still get "No space left on device" and df says 100% ...
22:58<oldlaptop>erm, isn't that a tmpfs?
22:58<oldlaptop>should be pretty trivial to just wipe out entirely the
22:59<retrospectacus>pulse seems to be using it. Why can't I just rm the files and get the space back?
22:59<oldlaptop>probably because pulse is still using them
22:59<retrospectacus>I'm not concerned with Pulse's small files
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23:00<retrospectacus>I was using it for my own purposes, but rm'ing my files doesn't seem to free any space on it
23:00<oldlaptop>probably still have them open then?
23:01<retrospectacus>aha. yes background jobs over here
23:02<retrospectacus>damn & vs &&
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23:09<dougdiez>Can't believe! I'm online on Skype! Finally :D
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23:10<retrospectacus>!congratulate dougdiez
23:10<dpkg>Huzzah dougdiez, you did it!
23:10<dougdiez>That was hard and frustrating to get working, but now i'm pleased
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23:12<retrospectacus>good old 3rd party non-free software making it hard for us
23:13<dougdiez>sorry, what you mean ?
23:13<oldlaptop>skype is even a thing you can't really get away from (AFAIK nothing else speaks skypese?)
23:13<oldlaptop>if the people you need to talk with use it...
23:13<retrospectacus>skype is proprietary, non-free and undistributable and thus difficult to install
23:14<oldlaptop>dougdiez: if the people you communicate with might possibly switch, you could look into various alternatives
23:14<dougdiez>yes =/
23:14<oldlaptop>we are using what is the clearly superior text-based protocol this very moment! ;)
23:14<sleser>is there a iso tool like deamond tools for linux ?
23:14<dougdiez>for a newb like me, that was extremely hard
23:14<retrospectacus>(see the dpkg factoid !skyupe)
23:15<oldlaptop>not too hard even to run a small IRC server for a few friends
23:15<oldlaptop>see the ngircd package
23:16<oldlaptop>sleser: I'm not familiar with that, what does it do?
23:16<sleser>creates a virtual drive and mounts the iso there
23:16<sleser>id like to see the drive on dolphin
23:16<zykotick9>sleser: note, you can mount ISO files using loopback
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23:17<dougdiez>IRC is freaking amazing... i didn't used it for a decade since my childhood
23:17<sleser>i have furius iso tool its doing the loopback . but i d ont see it on dolphin with a drive
23:17<oldlaptop>sleser: 'mount -oloop something.iso /mnt' or so
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23:18<oldlaptop>(you see the functionality is built in at a pretty low level :))
23:18<oldlaptop>You can then just browse /mnt in any file manager
23:18<dougdiez>btw, im using XChat, what do you use here?
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23:19<oldlaptop>The basic idea is to have an interface-less IRC client which runs on a server 24/7 (so you never miss anything)
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23:19<oldlaptop>a Qt interface connects to it over the network (I believe an android client and an irssi plugin also exist)
23:20<sleser>thanks it worked
23:20<oldlaptop>sleser: you can also look inside ISO images with ark
23:20<oldlaptop>might be enough for what you want, I have no idea
23:20<oldlaptop>(I only bring it up since you're apparently using KDE)
23:20<sleser>yes i know i had to mount to see it in dolphin for this to work.
23:21<oldlaptop>obviously actually mounting it allows you to do almost anything you could with a normal CD
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23:26<Eremiell>oldlaptop: why not run an irssi on the server in tmux and just ssh to it?
23:26<oldlaptop>Eremiell: then the interface isn't local, and you get lag
23:26<oldlaptop>you're also in a bind if you don't happen to like irssi ;)
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23:27<oldlaptop>there will be a lag when you send a message of course, but not when you type (as with running irssi in screen/tmux)
23:27<dougdiez>Guys, i have to go, i will be here tomorrow, for sure. This bug was very exciting! I really appreciated all yours helps: abrotman, SamB, oldlaptop, Eremiell, retrospectacus, jpinx. Thank you all of you !
23:28<retrospectacus>good luck, have fun!
23:28<oldlaptop>dougdiez: don't give up ;)
23:28<SamB>oldlaptop: did you mention the word "bouncer"?
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23:29<oldlaptop>SamB: I tried to set up znc once
23:29<oldlaptop>it absolutely refused to work
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23:29<SamB>or am I misunderstanding "interface-less"
23:29<oldlaptop>having had even less luck with other bouncers I eventually found quassel, which worked
23:29<sleser>how do i enter a directory with space ?
23:29<oldlaptop>SamB: the quassel core is *the* IRC client
23:30<sleser>i forgot how to
23:30<retrospectacus>sleser: with\ slash\ like\ this
23:30<oldlaptop>sleser: either put the name in quotes, or put a backslash before the space
23:30<retrospectacus>sleser: "or in quotes"
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23:30<oldlaptop>I find quotes much more usable
23:30<SamB>oldlaptop: oh, so it's like the mpd/xmms2 of IRC clients
23:30<SamB>or something
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23:30<Eremiell>oldlaptop: I used quassel for some time, but eventually found irssi to serve me better. be it on server or locally. but to each his own...
23:30<oldlaptop>SamB: that describes it pretty well
23:30<retrospectacus>sleser: or just press tab as you're typing, like you always should :)
23:31<oldlaptop>sleser: also, don't make file/directory names with spaces ;)
23:31<sleser>its just what wine created
23:31<oldlaptop>that's always annoying
23:32<sleser>its not doing it
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23:32<Eremiell>sleser: wine will eventualy mess your system up. better get a separate win install for games. ;)
23:33<oldlaptop>it confines damage to your home directory at least
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23:33<oldlaptop>unless you go insane and run it as root (never ever do that)
23:33<sleser>im trying to get reason working
23:33<sleser>i dont have another computer or dont want to install in a partition windows
23:33<oldlaptop>in fact windows applications have to know they're running in wine to even do damage outside of $WINEPREFIX, generally
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23:34<oldlaptop>sleser: VMs can be nice
23:34<sleser>but then it will run slow
23:34<SamB>oldlaptop: couldn't they just use that one drive letter that points to /
23:34<sleser>i already mounted and installed it. now it asks me to insert the cd when i run the exe
23:34<oldlaptop>SamB: it has to know it's running in wine to do that, or else you have to *tell* it to do that
23:35<sleser>and i wanted to go load it from terminal to see a better error msg
23:35<sleser>to find out why its doin this
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23:35<SamB>oldlaptop: or it could just like to distribute damage to all drive letters ;-P
23:35<oldlaptop>yes, that could be
23:35<Eremiell>the mess doesn't really come from running it, but you will find, your games run much better on newer wine than what's on repo. it starts with playing with unofficial wine-unstable, then you go to hellish dual arch for wine32 to run well and will end up trying to compile your own. trust me. go get win. :)
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23:35<oldlaptop>there's more to that problem than wine...
23:35<oldlaptop>well, maybe just the other meaning of wine
23:35*SamB is still on i386, but suspects games don't like remote X's performance anyway
23:36*SamB is, on the other hand, using a Windows system for his terminal so hehehehe
23:36<sleser>im trying to get reason . a audo tool working no game
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23:36<sleser>i have a ps3 for games
23:37<SamB>software that insists you insert the CD to use it?
23:37<oldlaptop>sleser: You need to have the CD mounted for things to find their CDs
23:37<sleser>its mounted
23:37<SamB>is that normal for non-games?
23:37<oldlaptop>and you can also verify wine is treating it as a CD drive
23:37<oldlaptop>(winecfg may be helpful)
23:37<oldlaptop>otherwise... some software might be too darn clever for wine
23:37<sleser>that may be too lemy go chek wine
23:37<oldlaptop>in which case I see a VM in your future
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23:39<oldlaptop>depending on your CPU a VM may not actually be that painful (though you may want to avoid virtualbox)
23:40<Eremiell>oldlaptop: which VM would you recommend? I tried running fedora in vb for one workshop and it was real pain.
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23:41<oldlaptop>kvm seems reasonable (though I don't know about GUIs for qemu/kvm)
23:41<oldlaptop>xen seems very good for some uses as well
23:41<smile>root@someone:~# sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
23:41<smile>Reading package lists... Done
23:41<smile>Building dependency tree
23:41<smile>Reading state information... Done
23:41<smile>E: Unable to locate package firmware-b43-installer
23:41-!-smile was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use instead.]
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23:42<smile>why this happening
23:42<smile>root@someone:~# sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
23:42<smile>Reading package lists... Done
23:42<smile>Building dependency tree
23:42<smile>Reading state information... Done
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23:42<Eremiell>oldlaptop: but those two, if I understand it well, take control over the whole box. am I missing something?
23:42<oldlaptop>xen does, yes
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23:43<oldlaptop>KVM doesn't really (it's been described as turning the running kernel into a hypervisor)
23:43<oldlaptop>it can't be considered taking over the whole box, the running kernel has already done that ;)
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23:44<smile>how to fix this?
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23:45<Eremiell>smile: do you have contrib and non-free repos in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
23:46<SamB>oldlaptop: so is it likely that my current kernel is already a kvm dom0, just in a very, very boring way?
23:47<oldlaptop>no, the running kernel is like xen itself
23:47<smile>Eremiell: i only have this repos
23:47<SamB>am I confusing kvm with xen
23:47<SamB>that is likely
23:48<oldlaptop>an analog of dom0 is not necessary, the running kernel and its userland can do that all itself
23:48<Eremiell>smile: cool. edit all lines ending in main to end in "main contrib non-free", then update and try again
23:48<smile>i have broadcom bcm 4312 802.11b/g lp-phy
23:48<oldlaptop>smile: remove the last line as well
23:49<oldlaptop>or comment it (insert a # at the beginning)
23:49<Eremiell>doesn't hurt, but it's definitely redundant
23:50<oldlaptop>it's a different mirror
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23:50<Eremiell>oldlaptop: thinking about trying one of these two for a long time, but never had a spare box to give it a try. I'd also like it to run non-linux things, while at it.
23:50<oldlaptop>can wreak havoc if the other one isn't updated at the exact same time
23:51<oldlaptop>even - who knows which mirror it will pick
23:51<oldlaptop>could be a very confusing issue, to say the least
23:51<Eremiell>can't see any havoc. you always get latest packages, nevermind where from.
23:52<Eremiell>but it's definitely better to have just one.
23:52<oldlaptop>of course this is stable, reduces mirror updates to begin with
23:53<Eremiell>I'm sometimes forgetting, wheezy is already stable. :)
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23:53<SamB>oldlaptop: well, it's not going to get confused the same as with
23:53<SamB>since apt will know which mirror is which
23:55<smile>can you give me repos?
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23:56<oldlaptop>smile: do as Eremiell said earlier
23:56<oldlaptop>and 'apt-get update'
23:56<smile>i do that and its working :D thanks a lot
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23:59<Eremiell>I found today, installer once again picks no non-free as default. I understand, it goes well with debian philosophy, but it doesn't go so well with most people's needs unfortunately.
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