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---Logopened Fri Aug 08 00:00:16 2014
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01:41<rhpk>Hi, I need a quick tip. I just installed Debian Jessie via lxc-create but I'm unable to login as root in the console.
01:41<rhpk>As soon as I insert the password, it takes back to username request, immediately.
01:42<rhpk>If I insert a wrong password on purpose, it waits the canonical 3 seconds and say "Incorrect login".
01:42<rhpk>I can su from another user... any help?
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01:43<jm_>rhpk: from the topic -- testing/unstable: #debian-next
01:43<rhpk>ok, soory
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02:15<root_>is there some one here
02:16<root_>can you help me ?
02:16<root_>Earth Link, owner of sense in my online distributor has shut down all ports Is there a way or program I tried to open all the roads for two years and did not succeed for any way to open
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02:35<alexnder>come on is there some one here
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02:38<birch>alexnder, just ask your question and someone will help you if they know the anser
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02:39<alexnder>i were think this chat not work
02:39<alexnder>Earth Link, owner of sense in my online distributor has shut down all ports Is there a way or program I tried to open all the roads for two years and did not succeed for any way to open
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02:40<alexnder>how to open closed ports
02:40<twb>alexnder: if your ISP blocks a port, you cannot unblock it.
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02:41<alexnder>is there any way or app unlock them ?
02:41<twb>alexnder: no
02:42<pacifier>How do I get samba to stop making all files executable?
02:43<twb>pacifier: turn on unix extensions, I think.
02:43<twb>pacifier: try #samba on Freenode
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02:45<pacifier>Is it as simple as "unix extensions = yes" in smb.conf?
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02:45<twb>That's the one
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02:46<birch>alexnder, you can try using
02:46<twb>There's also some options to control how SMB permission bits (e.g. archive, hidden) map to POSIX ones (e.g. read, write, execute)
02:46<twb>#samba will give much better answers than I can.
02:47<birch>alexnder, either their browser bundle or TAILS
02:47<pacifier>Is having files marked as executable bad?
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02:47<twb>"it depends"
02:47<birch>pacifier, well it's a potential security issue
02:47<rjsalts>what's the command in dpkg.conf to discard certain files/directories?
02:48<twb>>/etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/10excludes printf 'path-exclude %s/*\n' /usr/share/{doc,info,locale,man,omf,gnome/help}
02:50<rjsalts>twb: thanks
02:50<alexnder>guys i download format factory to my linux i open it with wine but it is not work
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02:50<twb>I don't support wine, sorry.
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02:51<alexnder>how to install tor-browser-linux32-3.6.3_en-US.tar.xz
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02:53<pacifier>Hmm. I added unix extensions to smb.conf but files I add from my windows laptop still show up green in putty
02:53<jm_>alexnder: you will have to read their documentation
02:53<twb>I don't support third-party packages, either.
02:53<jm_>or ask in #tor on
02:54<pacifier>tar -xvJf tor-browser-linux32-3.6.3_LANG.tar.xz
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02:54<pacifier>cd tor-browser_LANG
02:54<twb>pacifier: well yeah because windows has no concept of executable
02:54<twb>pacifier: so go fiddle with the default permissions for files and dirs, there are options for that
02:55<twb>pacifier: this should be in the FAQ on or so
02:55<pacifier>I have the share mask as 755
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02:56<pacifier>alexnder: and then ./start-tor-browser
02:57<twb>pacifier: shrug. #samba
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02:58<pacifier>Is this all files from a windows laptop marked as exec effect an issue worth addressing?
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03:00<SamB>pacifier: typically, all files on a Windows system really *are* marked as executable
03:01<SamB>though once I added a "deny" entry for execute to spider.exe ...
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03:02<pacifier>in win it
03:03<pacifier>'s marked as full control, modify, read & execute, read, and write
03:03<jm_>why don't you ask in #samba as already mentioned?
03:03<pacifier>which becomes -rwxr-xr-x
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03:23<pacifier>Cool I just RTFM ( and figured out that changing the mask from 775 to 664 gets rid of the execute bits
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03:29<twb>Oops, I should have noticed that 775 included the execute bit
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04:19<twb>acpi-fakekeyd, you have failed me
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04:19<twb>When I send *one* key, that is not a suggestion to send it over and over forever, constantly muting and unmuting my sound.
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04:55<alexnder><alexnder> root@Aleaxnder:~# tar -xvJf tor-browser-linux32-3.6.3_LANG.tar.xz
04:55<alexnder><alexnder> tar (child): tor-browser-linux32-3.6.3_LANG.tar.xz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
04:55<alexnder><alexnder> tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now
04:55<alexnder><alexnder> tar: Child returned status 2
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05:18<kblin>hi folks
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05:26<grummund>Hi, can anyone suggest a scriptable method to re-generate PDFs as raster images?
05:27<grummund>i.e. same effect as printing and then re-scanning the document.
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05:31<kblin>grummund: can't ImageMagick do that?
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05:32<grummund>i don't know, can it? i will look.
05:32<kblin>just try convert foo.pdf foo.png, I guess ;)
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05:33<grummund>oh i see. ultimately i need PDF --> PDF though.
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05:40<foffa>How do I hide the GRUB menu ?
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05:41<grummund>hey :) the result is a bit fuzzy but it works both ways:
05:41<grummund>convert foo.pdf foo.png && convert foo-*.png new.pdf
05:41<grummund>kblin: thanks ^^ ;)
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06:01<foffa>How do I hide the GRUB menu ?
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06:06<havarka>Hi, how to set up ad-hoc in debian in order that my nexus 7 could receive internet from my wire eth0?
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06:48<arunjoseph>i have just installed debian, first time linux user\
06:48<arunjoseph>had a tough time installing pidgin and search it on the system
06:49<arunjoseph>how can pidgin be added to application list
06:49<SynrGy>apt-get install pidgin
06:50<arunjoseph>it is installed using the synaptic manager
06:50<arunjoseph>i want to get it in the application menu so i dont have to search the computer for the installed software
06:50<SynrGy>using gnome?
06:51<SynrGy>gnome-shell, then. well, you just need to get used to the way that works
06:51<SynrGy>you can either browse categories, or else type the name of a thing into the search box
06:51<havarka>make a shortcut on desktop
06:52<SynrGy>it's a complete rethink of how to organize large numbers of packages, departing from the usual menu-based approach.
06:52<arunjoseph>there is no search box
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06:54<arunjoseph>also i wanted to know to to install the wireless and video card drivers
06:54<jm_>which chips are we talking about?
06:55<SynrGy>arunjoseph: click the upper-left corner, or press alt-f1, or press the 'win' key to go into gnome-shell's 'overview'
06:55<arunjoseph>Satellite A300-15B
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06:56<arunjoseph>Intel® Wireless WiFi™ Link 4965AGN network connectio
06:56<SynrGy>probably just misisng firmware.
06:56<arunjoseph>ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 3650
06:56<dpkg>The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at . See also <iwlegacy>, <iwl7000>.
06:56<jm_>that's for your wlan
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06:57<SynrGy>arunjoseph: until you solve the firmware issue, don't worry about pidgin
06:57<SynrGy>!radeon firmware
06:57<dpkg>Binary-only firmware was removed from the radeon <DRM> driver at linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009) and is packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not required for use of the <fglrx> driver.
06:58<foffa>How do I hide the GRUB menu?
06:58<SynrGy>!non-free sources
06:58<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
06:58<SynrGy>arunjoseph: i really don't like synaptic, but there's a way to edit sources.list in there too
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06:59<SynrGy>arunjoseph: you need to 'update' afterwards to get the new package lists
06:59<SynrGy>arunjoseph: then you can install both of those: firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-iwlwifi
06:59<SynrGy>after that, it should solve your wireless and video issues (probably want to reboot)
06:59<havarka>and how do you create ad-hoc?
07:00<arunjoseph>thks, i have started the process
07:00<SynrGy>havarka: saw your question earlier. dunno. i haven't done ad hoc in over 10 years :(
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07:00<SynrGy>i imagine there's some way to do it with network-manager ...
07:00<SynrGy>would have to look up doc
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07:01<SynrGy>could be wrong about that, though.
07:01<SynrGy>"Create a network"?
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07:03<havarka>setting - network connection - wireless - add, right?
07:03<SynrGy>maybe? this is the blind leading the blind :)
07:04<SynrGy>i'm so used to just doing managed networks through my wap
07:04<SynrGy>a lot less hassle than ad-hoc
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07:05<havarka>whatever i can do also hotspot or whatever way that i can send my internet to my nexus 7 true my notebook wifi :)
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07:06<xiqy>you could use hostapd+dnsmasq for that
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07:06<xiqy>might be a little heavy on the configuration side if this is just a once-in-a-while thing though
07:06<SynrGy>havarka: wireless access point
07:07<SynrGy>havarka: i.e. a dedicated wireless router box
07:07<SynrGy>running openwrt
07:07<SynrGy>it's a hell of a lot easier
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07:07<havarka>so what to do? :)
07:08<havarka>i am complet beginner with linux, so easy on me :)
07:08<SynrGy>well, xiqy's suggestion is reasonable. you can make your debian system *be* the wap ...
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07:08<SynrGy>depends on how often you have wireless devices connecting to it
07:08<havarka>all the time? whats the problem?
07:08<SynrGy>for frequent use, i think you want a real wap, not ad-hoc
07:08<havarka>whats the difference?
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07:08<SynrGy>'managed' is all automatic
07:09<havarka>ok, so lets do it :)
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07:11<SynrGy>well, i don't know a step-by-step for hostapd either. maybe xiqy can help?
07:11<SynrGy>or else just install the package and read its doc
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07:12<SynrGy>likewise with dnsmasq
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07:12<havarka>so gonna install those two, first
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07:13<SynrGy>havarka: this is a laptop, though?
07:13<xiqy>yes, and then you need to do some configuration
07:13<SynrGy>but wired
07:13<SynrGy>so you're not taking this laptop out into the world often. it stays on your desk?
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07:14<havarka>I use it like desktop pc
07:14<SynrGy>and it has a direct connection to the internet, not behind a router.
07:14<SynrGy>or at least not a wireless one
07:14<SynrGy>k. then yes, hostapd+dnsmasq seems appropriate for this use case.
07:14<havarka>hostapd installed
07:15<havarka>ok, dnsmasq installed, what now?
07:15<xiqy>you can find example configuration files in /usr/share/doc/hostapd/examples and dito for dnsmasq.
07:17<havarka>very nice, but i dont understand
07:17<xiqy>I actually have a laptop setup to do exactly this, I'm looking through my own config files to see if they might be helpful
07:18<havarka>that would be wonderfull
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07:22<havarka>waiting :)
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07:25<xiqy>working on it, hold on
07:25<xiqy>need to make sure I erase all my passwords and stuff
07:25<xiqy>plus various unneeded commends, of which there are a lot
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07:26<havarka>SynrG, why did you ask if I go outside with this comp?! whats the practical difference regarding what i am about going to do?
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07:28<xiqy>OK, here we go: hostapd.conf: dnsmasq.conf:
07:29<xiqy>it would be a bad idea to go around broadcasting a wireless network from your laptop when you're on the bus
07:29<xiqy>these files go in /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf and /etc/dnsmasq.conf, respectively
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07:30<xiqy>you need to add some information in hostapd.conf, namely the name of your driver, SSID, and a password
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07:31<havarka>so whats the problem to broadcast when there is a password?
07:32<grove>Given a server (actually a proxy) with two debian repositories in /foo and /bar. Can I pin the repository in /foo in /etc/apt/preferences(.d/foo) when `apt-cache policy` reports "release o=. squeeze,n=squeeze,l=. squeeze,c=main"?
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07:32<xiqy>unnecessary risk, basically.
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07:32<havarka>around me i have like 25 wifi, so anyway :p
07:33<xiqy>actually, you probably don't need to change the driver in hostapd.conf. try it as it is first.
07:33<grove>"Pin: origin url/foo" doesn't match
07:34<havarka>give me a second
07:35<havarka>i have a small problem, my mom took the tablet so i really cannot try if it works.
07:36<xiqy>once the config files are in place, you need to start both dnsmasq and hostapd
07:37<xiqy>oh, and you need to give your wlan0 interface a static ip, almost forgot that part
07:37<havarka>i dont know what are you talking about :)
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07:38<havarka>and how to add driver, ssid and a password ?!
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07:38<xiqy>add the following staza to /etc/networking/interfaces:
07:38<xiqy>allow-hotplug wlan0
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07:39<xiqy>iface wlan0 inet static
07:40<xiqy>that's it
07:40<havarka>i just have network and network manager in etc
07:40<havarka>so network
07:41<xiqy>sorry, that's supposed to be /etc/network/interfaces, yeah
07:42<havarka>ok this last step is done, but those two previous not yet
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07:42<havarka>so dnsmas.conf just copy
07:43<havarka>and the other i have to add something there driver ssid and password?! how? what driver
07:43<havarka>i imagine that wifi, but my head just cannot put it together what should be written there
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07:44<xiqy>I was mistaken, you probably don't need to change the driver.
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07:45<xiqy>in the ssid field, just write whatever you want your network to be called, like MyLaptopWAP or something
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07:46<xiqy>the the password field, write a suitably long password, preferably generated by 'pwgen -y 16'
07:47<havarka>i have 100Mbps internet with no restriction so if somebody would broke that i wouldnt even notice :)
07:48<xiqy>they would also be able to listen to all your traffic though
07:48<SynrGy>havarka: tearing down the AP so you can use it for roaming to other networks could be a hassle, yes.
07:48<havarka>AP ?
07:48<xiqy>access point
07:48<SynrGy>havarka: i have no practical experience in this area, but i just imagined it would be problematic
07:49<SynrGy>i don't know if there's any automation for that
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07:49<xiqy>actually, it's as simple as not running hostapd
07:49<havarka>whatever :p
07:49<SynrGy>so it can happily co-exist with network-manager?
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07:49<xiqy>I'm pretty sure that's the case
07:50<xiqy>you'd need to bring down the wlan0 interface first though, since right now we're assigning it a static ip
07:50<SynrGy>so you would just have to remember to stop hostapd when you left the house
07:50<havarka>let me copy that two files and then let us start
07:51<SynrGy>oh, also there's the matter of network-manager ignoring interfaces mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces ...
07:51<SynrGy>so it might take some further fiddling around to make it work
07:51<SynrGy>but ... we're not solving this problem now, right? :)
07:52<xiqy>I think that's actually beneficial in this case
07:52<SynrGy>like i said: 'hassle'
07:52<xiqy>makes it so that, after bringing wlan0 down with ifdown, network-manager should just be able to use it like normal
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07:53<havarka>it was etc/dnsmasq.d but thats ok, right?
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07:53<havarka>ok, everything what you said xiqy its done
07:53<havarka>so what now?
07:54<xiqy>did you put dnsmasq.conf in /etc/dnsmasq.d/?
07:54<xiqy>that.. should work, I think, but I have mine in /etc
07:54<xiqy>in any case, now you need to bring up your wlan0 with the static ip.
07:54<xiqy>try 'ifup wlan0'
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07:55<xiqy>as root
07:55<havarka>command not found
07:55<xiqy>as root? I sure hope not
07:56<havarka>as root!
07:56<xiqy>hold on
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07:56<havarka>maybe its problem cause i dont have regular debian
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07:57<havarka>but this one -
07:57<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. #crunchbang on See <based on debian>.
07:57<xiqy>yeah, that might be a problem.
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07:57<SynrGy>havarka: so, we don't know what we've done to your system now, since you did not disclose you weren't running debian
07:58<SynrGy>havarka: i suggest you undo everything. or at least continue seeking help for it on #crunchbang. we cannot help any further.
07:58<havarka>but thats a debian just with openbox, no?
07:58<SynrGy>!based on debian
07:58<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
07:58<havarka>i understand
07:58<SynrGy>ok. if someday you want to run debian, we can help :)
07:59<havarka>sorry guys
07:59<SynrGy>for now, #crunchbang is the place to go
07:59<SynrGy>good luck
07:59<havarka>i`ll try just always afraid that i am gonna again delete my films and windows :p
07:59<xiqy>those scripts I gave you *might* still be useful, but I have no way to verify that on crunchbang
08:00<SynrGy>havarka: is the 'ifupdown' package at least present on your system?
08:00<SynrGy>havarka: the place you got stuck was not being able to run 'ifup'. ifupdown provides that.
08:00<SynrGy>so i don't know what crunchbang does for networking, then.
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08:00<SynrGy>maybe it can work with ifupdown. maybe not. see #crunchbang about it
08:00<xiqy>is this crunchbang 11, aka waldorf?
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08:01<SynrGy>most 'normal' debian systems have ifupdown, as it is Priority: important.
08:02<xiqy>that's weird then. waldorf is based on debian wheezy, which uses ifupdown. if crunchbang have changed that, there's no telling what else might be different
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08:02<SynrGy>xiqy: a debian system could be ifupdown-less :)
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08:02<xiqy>sure, but by default I mean
08:02<SynrGy>if you have 'standard' installed, at least.
08:02<havarka>gonna download debian :)
08:03<SynrGy>havarka: ok. you might be interested in the unofficial non-free firmware image then
08:03<SynrGy>!firmware image
08:03<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from . See also <install guide>.
08:03<SynrGy>depends on your hardware
08:03<havarka>standart instalation of crunhbang has 730mb, debian has one dvd, so there is some difference :)
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08:03<SynrGy>havarka: debian is very flexible about how much you install
08:04<babilen>havarka: You really don't need the DVD to install Debian as both the netinstall or CD1 images suffice
08:04<SynrGy>if you're interested in an openbox-based install, try installing the lxde desktop
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08:04<babilen>(depending on what you want to install and if you have a working internet connection during and after the installation)
08:04<SynrGy>"alternate desktops" is an install option
08:04<SynrGy>!install lxde
08:04<dpkg>To install <LXDE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install lxde». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using LXDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > LXDE > Install".
08:04<SynrGy>alternative, sorry
08:05<havarka>so just first cd?
08:05<babilen>You don't even have to install a desktop environment at all and can just install a bare system with only the "standard" task and take it from there. See <install x> for information about the next step -- /msg dpkg install x
08:05<edhelas>hi everyone
08:05<havarka> which one?
08:05<edhelas>is there a specific package in the repositories to add the support of chinese character in Debian ?
08:06<edhelas>it seem that I don't have the correct fonts
08:06<babilen>havarka: Do you have a working internet connection? Do you want to install a desktop environment and, if so, which?
08:07<havarka>i like this openbox, so i guess ill go with xfce and then install openbox, yes i do have working internet connection
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08:07<SynrGy>edhelas: apt-cache search fonts-arphic ... there are several. i don't use chinese, so i don't know which of those you would want
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08:08<edhelas>thanks :)
08:08<babilen>edhelas: I'd install unifont, fonts-arphic-ukai, fonts-droid and fonts-wqy-zenhei (or any other Chinese fonts you like) along with xfonts-wqy xfonts-intl-chinese. You will also want to install a Chinese input method for Chinese. Are you looking for a Zhuyin or Pinyin based one?
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08:09<edhelas>no I just want to display the characters :)
08:09<edhelas>I'm talking with some chinese peoples and it's anoying to have encoding issues on the caracters
08:09<babilen>Ah, okay. Are you also interested in, say, Japanese or Korean?
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08:10<babilen>havarka: dpkg tell havarka -about install xfce
08:10<babilen>dpkg: tell havarka -about install xfce
08:10<babilen>dpkg: tell havarka -about openbox
08:10<babilen>dpkg: tell havarka -about firmware image
08:11<babilen>havarka: Please note that you do *not* have to install XFCE at all if you really just want to use openbox. You can totally skip the installation of the Desktop task and continue with <install x> and the installation of openbox after the initial installation. You probably also want to install a display manager such as gdm3 or lightdm if you go that route.
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08:12*SynrGy notes that LXDE is little more than openbox + lightdm ;)
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08:13<edhelas>babilen, thanks guy, works perfectly now !
08:14<babilen>edhelas: 加油!
08:14<havarka> so this one?
08:14<edhelas>babilen, xiéxié :D
08:16<SynrGy>havarka: yep
08:16<SynrGy>havarka: installing over ethernet or wifi?
08:16<SynrGy>if ethernet, probably firmware is not required. if wifi, see the firmware image factoid dpkg bot already sent
08:16<babilen>havarka: No, I would recommend the netinstall firmware with firmware (which is not available via bittorrent as far as I'm aware)
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08:17<havarka>firmware what that?
08:17<SynrGy>well, over ethernet it will probably go well :)
08:17<babilen>dpkg: firmware
08:17<dpkg>Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>.
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08:17<havarka>ok,not my business
08:17<SynrGy>havarka: the other place where firmware can trip you up is graphics drivers.
08:17<SynrGy>havarka: what video chipset? if intel, you're probably ok
08:17<havarka>i have intel 4000 no problem
08:18<havarka>no nvidia
08:18<SynrGy>so the official image should work fine
08:18<havarka>no games :D
08:18<havarka>so one cd lxde?
08:19<arunjoseph>im trying to install amd drivers using the steps from when i use the command "sudo sh --buildpkg Ubuntu/precise" i get "Can't open"
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08:19<SynrGy>hummm, hd4000? is that too recent for wheezy?
08:20<havarka>this#crunchbang its also based on newest debian, and no problem
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08:21<SynrGy>'newest' is different, depending on which branch it's based on
08:21<jm_>arunjoseph: we don't support that method of installing ati drivers, use on Debian
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08:21<jm_>and if you are really using ubuntu you're in the wrong channel
08:22<SynrGy>i think there's some support for intel HD 4000 in wheezy, though, from what i could find
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08:23<arunjoseph>thks, i have started the wiki steps
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08:24<SynrGy>arunjoseph: for hd3650 you really don't need fglrx
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08:25<havarka>648 MB in 90 sec :) nice
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08:25<xiqy>I was using wheezy with hd4000 back when wheezy was still testing, and I don't recall that being a hassle.
08:25<SynrGy>havarka: why so slow? ;)
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08:26<havarka>because i dont wanna pay for internet more than 10 euro :)
08:27<SynrGy>ah. sweet. mine isn't that cheap
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08:27<SynrGy>damn. you can't even *get* high speed internet in canada that cheap :p
08:28<SynrGy>that's like ... 15 bucks
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08:29<havarka>i live in capital city of slovakia :D
08:30<havarka>for 25euro you can have 1Gbit :)
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08:32<timmc>I've been experiencing random spontaneous reboots under Wheezy, but only when it's warm or hot out -- this has to be a hardware issue, right? There's nothing in the logs, it just goes black and reboots.
08:32<arunjoseph>thks for the help everyone. now my wifi and video drivers are installed
08:32<arunjoseph>debian looks good after the amd video driver update
08:33<jm_>timmc: probably
08:33<SynrGy>timmc: yep. check all cooling. don't forget GPU
08:33<jm_>timmc: perhaps also try ##hardware on
08:33<SynrGy>timmc: if you have a graphics card and motherboard has onboard video, try booting without the graphics card
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08:34<SynrGy>and yeah. what jm_ said
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08:35<timmc>SynrGy: Just a bog-standard Thinkpad. I don't think it has a separate graphics card, but I'll check that out.
08:36<havarka>ok, so see you later
08:36<timmc>It's under warranty, so I'd like to get a new motherboard if that's the issue, but Lenovo is probably going to insist Linux is just being weird...
08:36<havarka>whats the name of this server?
08:37<Maulkin>timmc: What's the model?
08:37<xiqy>don't tell them it's running GNU/Linux, that's a rookie mistake
08:38<timmc>xiqy: I bought it back when they were selling them with FreeDOS or whatever.
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08:39<timmc>The trouble is I haven't been able to repro the problem under Windows because I don't boot to that very often. :-P
08:39<Maulkin>timmc: Hrm, I assume you've cleaned the vents/fans etc?
08:39<SynrGy>timmc: when was the last time you blasted compressed air in the fan?
08:40<arunjoseph>after installing the amd drivers, it seems the min and max buttons are gone at the upper right corner. only the close x button is there.
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08:40<SynrGy>arunjoseph: that's normal for gnome-shell
08:40<arunjoseph>ok, how to min a window?
08:40<SynrGy>minimizing isn't a normal operation for gnome3
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08:41<timmc>SynrGy: Good call. I'll also see if I can et up a program to log the temp sensors to disk on a regular basis.
08:41<Maulkin>SynrGy: Don't be daft, Super+H will do ti
08:41<SynrGy>however, right-click the menu bar
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08:41*SynrGy shrugs
08:41<timmc>But overall, this sounds like a pretty clear hardware issue, yeah?
08:41<SynrGy>Maulkin: i've never (or rarely) minimized any of my windows in gnome3 and my life is none the worse for it :)
08:42<Maulkin>SynrGy: You need more windows :)
08:42<arunjoseph>ok, that is fine, got it by right clicking
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09:22<DarkUranium>^ WTH was that O_o
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09:24<timmc>Syrian Electronic Army spam? Dunno.
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09:28<petn-randall>DarkUranium: Some random person that shows up here talking (I believe) arabic with bad spelling every now and then. Nothing to see, move along ;)
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09:29<DarkUranium>petn-randall: lol
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09:53<grove>I'm trying to configure a server with static IPv4 and static IPv6, so I've written into /etc/network/interface, but the machine doesn't bring up the IPv6 address :-( Are there any obvious errors I've missed, or how do I debug that?
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09:54<xiqy>the most obvious error I can see is that the file is called /etc/network/interface*s*
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09:54<grove>That's a typo I made here
09:54<xiqy>not /etc/network/interface
09:54<xiqy>I suspected as much
09:55<grove>(as the IPv4 address is brought up the right, that couldn't be the error)
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09:57<mikep>hello i have a gameserver with a custom kernel somebody built for me but it does not have iptables nat support how can i add this ?
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10:02<xiqy>grove: so what is the "up echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/autoconf" part of the stanza meant to do? (I'm not familiar with that file)
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10:03<xiqy>the thing with 'up' is that its command is run *after* the interface is brought up
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10:04<xiqy>so if that command is meant to disable some kind of autoconfiguration, it will do it too late.
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10:05<xiqy>if that's the idea, try pre-up.
10:07<grove>xiqy: Disable IPv6 auto configuration of the interface
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10:08<xiqy>have you made sure ipv6 is enabled? check with 'lsmod |grep ipv6'
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10:10<grove>xiqy: We use our own kernel without module support, but I can bring the address up manually (if I add a :0 to the interface name, I can `ifup eth0:0` and get the result I want)
10:12<grove>And changing it to "pre-up" didn't change anything
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10:20<zarchne>mikep: install one of the prebuilt kernels or use kernel-package?
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10:32<alexnder>how to install this
10:34<Cpuroast> ?
10:34<musca>alexnder: debian has the biggest repository in the opensource world, it is best practice to use the software from the repo.
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10:36<alexnder>i write this order but unzip but it is now work
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10:36<alexnder> i write this order but unzip but it is not works
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10:38<grove>alexnder: Whatever you're trying to do, it's probably the wrong way to do - Either tell us what ou want to achieve or tell ud whar your native language is, then we can hopefully point you in a direction of a channel wher eyou can support in that
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10:39<grove>s/ou/you/, s/ud/us/, s/wher eyou/where you/
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10:40<alexnder>how to install this
10:40<grove>alexnder: What's supposed to be in that file?
10:41<alexnder>i want open port to my game
10:41<grove>You probably want to install openvpn from the debian package, with `apt-get install openvpn`
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10:42<alexnder>yes i want install vpn to open port 445 open my game
10:42<grove>To open a port for your game, you probably want to look at your router rather than OpenVPN
10:43<alexnder>in my contry all the port closed
10:43<alexnder>just the port 80 is opend
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10:45<alexnder>i want open 445 port can you give commend or app to do this ?
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10:46<grove>alexnder: Much more detail than you have given would be needed,
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10:48<havarka>hi guys, are you still here?
10:49<havarka>could somebody help me? may usb wireless mouse doesnt work under fresh installed debian
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10:53<havarka>the battery was other way arround :D
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10:56<SynrGy>havarka: fun :)
10:56<SynrGy>!pal havarka
10:56*dpkg points at havarka and laughs hysterically
10:57<havarka>ok, now i have debian with xfce
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10:57<havarka>pretty quick
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10:57<havarka>but i think i dont have drivers for wifi now there was something with firmware during installation
10:57<SynrGy>lspci -nn | grep -i network
10:57<havarka>and i have another question which is better chromium or chrome?
10:58<SynrGy>it's not a matter of which is better, but which is supported.
10:58<SynrGy>chromium is supported here. chrome isn't
10:58<SynrGy>for chrome, see google directly
10:58<havarka>what do you mean `here` ?
10:58<SynrGy>here, on irc, and the broader debian support community (lists, etc.)
10:58<SynrGy>we don't support chrome. it is not in debian.
10:58<SynrGy>we do support chromium, which debian includes.
10:59<havarka>ok so then chromium
10:59<SynrGy>so unless you can find compelling advantages to chrome, i advise you to stick with chromium, yes.
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10:59<SynrGy>at least we can help if/when you have issues :)
10:59<havarka>its the same thing for youtube user :P
10:59<SynrGy>well, if you hear "chrome", think "chromium" from now on :)
11:00<SynrGy>(though there are some differences, but we don't have to get into that at this time)
11:00<SynrGy>havarka: so, output from that command? (see above)
11:00<alexnder>anyone from use i want ask him
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11:01<alexnder>does the port 445 is open in usa or not ?
11:01<havarka>04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 2230 [8086:0888] (rev c4)
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11:02<havarka>chromium and chromium-browser in debian packages wats the difference?
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11:03<towo`>chromium is the metapackage chromium-browser is only the browser
11:03<towo`>havarka, learn to use apt-cache
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11:04<SynrGy>alexnder: it is not wise for an internet service provider to allow access to that port over the Internet, no. so it's unlikely you will find any ISPs that leave it open.
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11:04<havarka>so i do have drivers, right?
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11:05<SynrGy>,pciid [8086:0888]
11:05<judd>[8086:0888] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 2230' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also
11:06<SynrGy>so you'll need firmware for that. as per the last link of the factoid above. install firmware-iwlwifi
11:06<SynrGy>you'll need non-free enabled in your sources.list for that
11:06<SynrGy>!non-free sources
11:06<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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11:15<havarka>ok, i edited source list
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11:15<havarka>what next?
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11:18<havarka>SynrGy, ?
11:18<retrospectacus>havarka: apt-get update to fetch updated sources
11:18<SynrGy>assuming you did the other step it mentioned
11:18<SynrGy>that *is* the other step :)
11:19<SynrGy>and then apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
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11:21<havarka>retrospectacus, that command already know, but thanks :)
11:21<SynrGy>at this juncture, modprobe -r & modprobe of the module might reload it without a reboot (well, or maybe not, if something has it open) ...
11:21<SynrGy>or a reboot may just be simpler
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11:23<retrospectacus>havarka: I was not implying you didn't know it, only that you had to run it.
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11:23<havarka>:) nice from you
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11:28<havarka> why the fonts in chromium sucks? what to change?
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11:29<havarka>SynrGy ?
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11:31<SynrGy>beats me
11:31<teb>hi, I have problems with nm10/ICH7 sound card in wheezy, yesterday was working and some package update got me with no sound and no error, I'm using alsa module snd-hda-intel model=auto, headphones jack doesn't show in alsamixer now either
11:32<SynrGy>havarka: "sucks" how? it looks the same as the xfce panel fonts ...
11:32<havarka>it`s not sharp
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11:34<Raskah>Hi. I have a TP-LINK dual antenna usb wireless device as I can't get signal from my nook. It uses the 8192cu chipset and I have read around and tried different drivers. I now have it recognised and the light switches on but it won't authenticate with any networks. I read somewhere that these devices have issues with wpa/wpa2 using linux driver but It won't even connect to my phone hotspot with no security. I also tried ndiswrapper but
11:34<Raskah> the kernel panick
11:34<Raskah>Am I out of luck? as anyone had any love with these devices or knows what I can try?
11:35<Raskah>My current solution is to pass-through on my android phone.... which is cuttently strapped to the roof and cabled to my pc
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11:36<SynrGy>havarka: neither is the menu bar at the top ...
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11:36<SynrGy>havarka: so it's not a chromium issue
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11:36<havarka>hm,, hm
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11:36<havarka>ok, thats minor issue
11:36<havarka>how do i do that wifi?!
11:36<SynrGy>havarka: subpixel rendering or something
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11:37<SynrGy>you have to make those settings match the kind of display you have
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11:37<SynrGy>i.e. the antialiasing settings
11:37<SynrGy>oh. don't have a log of our earlier conversation?
11:37<havarka>i do
11:37<havarka>so the same thing
11:37<SynrGy>xiqy was helping and i was only half paying attention ...
11:37<havarka>hotspot and the other thing
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11:40<SynrGy>havarka: try setting it up again as per our earlier discussion i just linked to
11:40<havarka>dont worry i have it saved
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11:41<havarka>both of them installed
11:41<Thekinks-Lola>on the file manager's left hand side, there are folders under Computer, "music,movies,picutres" how can i remove these from the side bar menu?
11:42<havarka>Thekinks-Lola, click with right button on mouse and press remove shortcut
11:43<Thekinks-Lola>Remove is not clickable, and I removed it from the bookmarks
11:43<havarka>its thunar?
11:43<SynrGy>it's probably nautilus
11:44<Thekinks-Lola>what ever is the default
11:44<Thekinks-Lola>I asume nautilus,
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11:44<SynrGy>... which has changed considerably since wheezy, and i don't have a gnome desktop on wheezy to test with (not running anyway)
11:44<havarka>i guess, cause in thunar i just did it
11:45<Thekinks-Lola>yeah i chekced my about and its nat, I guess its a unfixed thing or something....
11:45<SynrGy>Thekinks-Lola: why remove those, though? if you take a screenshot, for example, the default destination is Pictures
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11:46<Thekinks-Lola>Yes, but pictures is in Home
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11:46<Thekinks-Lola>its kind of redunant to have, Home, Documents,Downloads,Pictures,Movies,Music,
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11:47<Thekinks-Lola>Yes, I can understand the noobs, but. why bar me from removeing them.....
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11:50<SynrGy>maybe gnome is not for you? :)
11:50<timmc>Thekinks-Lola: On systems where I've used Nautilus, I've ended up using the Tree sidebar instead of the... Places? sidebar view.
11:50<SynrGy>if you frequently have such issues, gnome is going to insist on its own way ... a lot
11:50<Thekinks-Lola>ah, ill try tree view
11:51<timmc>Asking "why?" about gnome is often not a productive or uplifting activity.
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11:52<Thekinks-Lola>Yeah tree view is better honestly, Its what I love!!! XD thanks guys,
11:53<Thekinks-Lola>gotta go be cool now, Laters and thanks again, jesus, man i should just look at the options more...
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11:54<SynrGy>i just found the solution
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11:54<SynrGy>timmc: anyway, for your illumination, this is xdg's fault, not gnome's, this time :)
11:55<SynrGy>so thankfully, this is a solution that should work for any xdg-compliant desktop that cares about that config file
11:55<SynrGy>i am currently on lxde, but started nautilus just to see ...
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11:55<SynrGy>if you comment out lines from there, they disappear from under "Places" in the nautilus sidebar
11:55<SynrGy>at least in sid
11:55<havarka>SynrGy, done
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11:57<SynrGy>havarka: so at this point, what do we have? the configuration, ready to rumble, right up to the 'ifup wlan0' command?
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11:58<havarka>SynrGy: I just have ifupdown
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11:59<havarka>SynrGy, actually not
11:59<havarka>where can i download it?
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11:59<SynrGy>ifupdown is there by default. should be ...
12:00<SynrGy>if not, you messed up somewhere :)
12:00<calculon>Hi everyone.
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12:00<SynrGy>it's a package name, not a command ...
12:00<havarka>I don`t have it
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12:00<SynrGy>dpkg -l ifupdown
12:00<dpkg>ii ifupdown 2.3-13 synrgy's private porn collection
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12:00<havarka>have it
12:01<SynrGy>so as root, 'ifup wlan0'
12:01<SynrGy>and ... ?
12:01<calculon>Does anyone in here use spideroak? I can't find a signature online to verify my download and I wonder how you do it... #spideroak has no life in it...
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12:01<havarka>/etc/network/interfaces:10: too few parameters for iface line
12:01<havarka>ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
12:02<SynrGy>well, that's different from 'the command isn't there'
12:02<SynrGy>you have no /etc/network/interfaces file?
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12:02<havarka># This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
12:02<havarka># and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
12:02<havarka># The loopback network interface
12:02<havarka>auto lo
12:02<havarka>iface lo inet loopback
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12:03<maxy>havarka: use
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12:03<havarka>got it
12:03<SynrGy>and ls -l /etc/network/interfaces
12:03<havarka>SynrGy, you got the message?
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12:03<maxy>havarka: you have a syntax error in the line 10,
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12:04<SynrGy>erhm? not a mind-reader. share the URL? :)
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12:04<havarka>maxy what should be there?
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12:04<SynrGy>havarka: you paste into the text box and submit it, then give us the url
12:04<havarka>i know, rega
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12:06*SynrGy is confused ...
12:06<SynrGy>it's missing 'inet'. see man interfaces
12:06<havarka>maxy could you tell me whats the mistake?
12:06<SynrGy>it shows a correct static example
12:06<maxy>havarka: You are missing the inet keyword
12:07<SynrGy>look at the man page, though (and get in the habit :)
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12:07<SynrGy>havarka: 'man interfaces'
12:07<SynrGy>havarka: search for 'static'
12:07<SynrGy>you'll see where 'inet' goes ;)
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12:07<havarka>guys i am windows user, where to find, in google?
12:08<SynrGy>havarka: have you typed the command 'man interfaces' yet?
12:08<SynrGy>you can use '/' to search for a word
12:08<SynrGy>enter static
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12:09<SynrGy>havarka: got it now? just trying to equip you to help yourself.
12:09<havarka>yes i got something
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12:14<SynrGy>ok. your last line is wrong
12:14<SynrGy>no whitespace in front
12:14<SynrGy>oh ... you're just pasting from the manual :)
12:14<SynrGy>never mind
12:14<havarka>just pasting
12:14<SynrGy>so you can see in the first line, the third keyword is inet
12:14<SynrGy>you're missing that from your own
12:14<havarka>working on it
12:15<SynrGy>on line 10 of your previous paste
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12:18<SynrGy>so does 'ifup wlan0' work now?
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12:19<SynrGy>if so, i guess we're almost done. however, i have to go out for several minutes (and am not sure i could help with hostapd anyway)
12:19<havarka>cannot find wlan0
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12:19<havarka>havarka@alebre:~$ sudo ifup wlan0
12:19<havarka>Cannot find device "wlan0"
12:19<havarka>Failed to bring up wlan0.
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12:20<retrospectacus>show us your interfaces file now
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12:22<havarka>SynrGy, ok, what can we do, waiting :)
12:23<havarka>retrospectacus whats wrong now?
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12:26<SynrGy>havarka: you haven't indented the right lines
12:26<havarka>what do you mean?
12:26<SynrGy>lines 11 and 12 need to be indented under line 10
12:27<SynrGy>as per the example in the man page
12:27<SynrGy>each group of lines forms a 'stanza'
12:27<SynrGy>the first line identifies the interface
12:27<SynrGy>the lines after are its options
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12:27<havarka>let me see
12:29<havarka> azoy?
12:30<SynrGy>no, you misunderstood
12:30<SynrGy>following the man page example ...
12:30<zarchne>I believe indentation is optional for interfaces stanzas, though.
12:30<SynrGy>the first line is flush with the margin
12:30<SynrGy>line 10
12:30<SynrGy>the second and third lines of the stanza are indented (put a tab at the *front)
12:30<SynrGy>that's lines 11 and 12
12:31<SynrGy>you've inserted space into the middle, which does nothing, as you've found out
12:31<zarchne>"Options are usually indented for clarity (as in the example above) but are not required to be."
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12:31<SynrGy>is it? then the blank line?
12:32<SynrGy>blank line above line 10
12:32<SynrGy>if he's still getting errors ...
12:32<SynrGy>havarka: are you still getting the same error with 'ifup wlan0'?
12:32<havarka>sorry bro, but i didnt understood a sentence what you said could you just make it and post it?!
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12:34<SynrGy>havarka: i don't know what the problem is, then. eyes are too old to spot it, i guess
12:34<zarchne>havarka: is wlan0 listed in /sys/class/net ?
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12:34<SynrGy>havarka: as zarchne correctly pointed out, the doc says the indentation is optional
12:35<havarka>zarchne yes its there
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12:44<cfox>Anyone here interested /able to give me a hand with a problem building debian packages?
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12:45<SynrGy>what's the goal?
12:45<SynrGy>and what's the nature of the problem?
12:46<zarchne>havarka: I'm actually not sure that /sys/class/net tells the right names, though. You could try replacing "wlan0" with "wlan1" everywhere.
12:46<havarka>lets try
12:46<cfox>SynrGy: Well, I've followed the steps, but I'm getting odd errors
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12:47<havarka>zarchne, doesnt work
12:47<SynrGy>cfox: i've gained zero insight about what you're trying to do and what the problem is from that statement ...
12:47<cfox>Sorry -just gathering details right now
12:48<zarchne>havarka: just in case, look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
12:48<SynrGy>cfox: i could perhaps at least tell you if the channel here is appropriate, if you'd tell me what your goal is. learning to package things belongs on #debian-mentors ... other issues might be appropriate for here.
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12:49<cfox>SynrGy: My goal is to build a working debian package. I have one working package for one project, but another project is refusing to cooperate, and the errors I'm getting are not helpful.
12:49<zarchne>cfox: so what is the error message?
12:49<SynrGy>cfox: i see. so this probably *is* more appropriate for #debian-mentors, but they'll want details, too
12:49<cfox>SynrGy: When I run debbuild -uc -us, it complains that *all* of my files have been 'removed', and then gives me an error 'unrepresentable changes to source'
12:49<cfox>there ARE no changes to source
12:50<cfox>I'm literally unzipping my source zip and then trying to build it
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12:50<cfox>SynrGy: One thing I haven't been able to determine is if there is a required structure for the source zip
12:51<SynrGy>cfox: it really is more appropriate to continue, at this point, on #debian-mentors
12:51<SynrGy>what you've described is out of scope for here
12:51<havarka>zarchne, what should i look for there?
12:51<cfox>SynrGy: Ok, I'll head over there
12:51<zarchne>You do need a debian directory...
12:51<zarchne>havarka: sorry
12:52<zarchne>havarka: uh, what the wlan card has been renamed to.
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12:54<havarka>where do i find that
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12:55<zarchne>havarka: I don't have experience working with wlan, but for my eth0, "cat /sys/class/net/eth0/address" tells me the mac address.
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12:55<havarka>aha ok
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12:56<havarka>and if i know my mac address, then what?
12:56<zarchne>then *persistent-net.rules may assign a new NAME to the device with that ATTR{address}
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12:58<havarka>zarchne, i have there this 00:00:00:00:00:00 so i guess something goes wrong
12:59<zarchne>You mean in /sys/class...address?
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12:59<zarchne>How about you pastebin your persistent-net.rules file so I can rule it out.
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13:00<maxy>zarchne: No, its not renamed the wlan0 is not showing.
13:00<zarchne>Okay, fine.
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13:08<Corey84>g'day /evening all
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13:13<xiqy>havarka: Looks like zarchne got you covered with your current problem. Give me a holler when you've fixed it and we can proceed with hostapd.
13:13<zarchne>I'm out of ideas, though.
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13:14<maxy>havarka: Let it as
13:15<havarka>what is a holler?
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13:16<xiqy>a yell, a shout
13:17<zarchne>... a mention of his name.
13:18<SynrGy>a colourful way to say "contact me" :)
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13:18<SynrGy>so where are we stuck, havarka?
13:18<ryu>im in germany
13:18<havarka>i am in slovakia :p
13:18<havarka>wait a moment
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13:19<SynrGy>ryu: oh so helpful
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13:19<ryu>anytime man
13:19<maxy>havarka: This content:
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13:20<havarka>okey restart then let see
13:20<havarka>maxy done
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13:21<ryu>--- I LOVE LINUX ---
13:22<havarka>okey i am back
13:22<ryu>hi how r u doing
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13:22<SynrGy>trying to follow maxy's reasoning on this ...
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13:23<mikep>can somebody here help me with a modifing custom kernel i am willing to pay send me pm ...
13:23<havarka>so whats now?
13:24<ryu>modify how ?
13:24<ryu>what u want
13:24<maxy>SynrGy: havarka was talking in private, so you have half the information.
13:24<SynrGy>maxy: in case you missed it, the larger goal is to allow his wired laptop be an AP, using hostapd + dnsmasq to share the connection with his nexus7
13:24<SynrGy>maxy: so you have all the background? :)
13:24<SynrGy>it goes back for about 8 hours
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13:25<mikep>i need a tickless 100hz kernel that has everything built in to run docker
13:25<maxy>SynrGy: No, I don't have that background.
13:25<maxy>That's not realistic.
13:25<havarka>so guys who gonna make my day? :)
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13:26<SynrGy>maxy: so xiqy had helped with the setup to the point where we discovered havarka was actually on crunchbang. and then he decided he liked the idea of mainstream support and installed debian ...
13:26<havarka>maxy what do you mean thats not realistic??? i windows i do that downloading by one program and then pressing one button, and linux cannot do that?
13:27<xiqy>so if i've understood correctly, you've removed the wlan0 stanza from interfaces and rebooted?
13:27<SynrGy>havarka: i think he meant mikep was unrealistic ...
13:27<havarka>i see now wifi arround me
13:27<havarka>oh good :D
13:27<havarka>i mean :p
13:27<SynrGy>or. i don't know
13:28<xiqy>that's good.
13:28<havarka>29 of them, oh crazy
13:28<mikep>why is it unrealistic ?
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13:29<maxy>SynrGy and xiqy havarka doesn't know about network intefaces, nor basic commands, not even following intructions, so, no, it's not realistic to configure something like that blindly.
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13:30<rila>could someone explain to me the difference between a module.ko file and a mole.fw file?
13:30<ryu>u guys wanna create a hotspot via ur wired linux box ?
13:30<maxy>It was missing the firmware of the network interface, now the wireless card is working.
13:30<SynrGy>maxy: ok. i did not know any other way ...
13:30<mikep>so who can i know what i want for sceduler and stuff like that but i have no idea what options i should enable for docker ...
13:30<SynrGy>maxy: i had hoped there was some "create a network" in network-manager or some such.
13:30<rila>@mikep: search on cronjob
13:30<maxy>He has network manager, please try to configure network manager as an ap.
13:30<havarka>i know how to follow instructions, thats to much
13:31<SynrGy>maxy: he had started by asking how to do ad-hoc
13:31<havarka>ryu, correct
13:31<maxy>Using network interfaces would be way to hard.
13:31<SynrGy>maxy: i had thought ad-hoc was the wrong way to go
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13:32<SynrGy>havarka: so yes, your needs are realistic. our approach was not. :)
13:32<xiqy>I don't use network-manager on wheezy, so I can't help with that
13:32<rila>Can soneome explain the difference between b43.wl and b43.ko?
13:32<SynrGy>havarka: but i said initially, it was the blind leading the blind, so ... sorry. :(
13:32<ryu>i guess ad-hoc is the way... but ive tried that methos too... share the adhoc switch it on but i dont see that SSID... ever ! never worked for me... even in windows the adhoc thing has never worked for me
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13:32<SynrGy>i hated ad-hoc. that's why i wanted to avoid it
13:32<havarka>so whats gonna happened great ubuntu and windows?!
13:33<SynrGy>(but that was over 10 years ago)
13:33<ryu>get 3g for ur phone :P or buy MAC ... to share ur connection
13:33<xiqy>If we can just assign a static ip to havarka's network card, the scripts I provided earlier should "just work".
13:34<SynrGy>havarka: maxy suggests we try to configure network-manager as an ap, and i think that's a reasonable approach ... *if* wheezy's NM supports it
13:34<xiqy>but ad-hoc via network-manager might still be easier, I don't know
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13:34<havarka>ryu or pirate windows :-)
13:35<ryu>youtube shows u some ways.... but ad-hoc never worked for me .. u can check more... i gave up...
13:35<ryu>hehe tell me that was
13:35<havarka>SynrGy i follow your commands, Commander
13:36<ryu>pirate windows ? u had original ?
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13:36<havarka>i had, but it god deleted
13:36<maxy>SynrGy: It should as simple as adding a shared wireless connection with mode Access point (not ad hoc)
13:37<ryu>it deserves to get deleted ...
13:37<maxy>The problem is that only a few cards support that.
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13:37<havarka>ryu this also doesnt make life easy :)
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13:37<ryu>can pls someone tell me what this multilingual terminal is for .. how to use it ?
13:37<ryu>coudn't find anything :(
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13:37<havarka>maxy but how come i cannot make it hear if under win and ubuntu it does work?
13:37<SynrGy>12:01 < havarka> 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 2230 [8086:0888] (rev c4)
13:38<SynrGy>maxy: this? ^^
13:38<maxy>No idea
13:38<havarka>SynrGy? what?
13:38<maxy>Right now the only wheezy, oh wait, I was testing an upgrade. :/
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13:39<lioh>SynrG, states, that AP mode is experimental.
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13:41<SynrGy>so that lands us back at Ad-Hoc again
13:41<SynrGy>but NM can do ad-hoc too?
13:42<maxy>It does, but I don't have a wheezy with a wireless card to test it.
13:42<havarka>Intel® Centrino® Wireless-N 2230
13:42<havarka>iwlwifi-2030-ucode- so i do need to download this?
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13:43<SynrGy>havarka: no. let's not go there
13:43<maxy>havarka: You already have the firmware
13:43<havarka>i though so
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13:43<SynrGy>yeah. sorry. didn't recognize the filename
13:43<havarka>so what now? why it is co complicated?
13:43<SynrGy>havarka: it probably isn't.
13:44<havarka>we just don`t know how, right?
13:44<SynrGy>havarka: but you got help from several helpers, none of whom had the whole picture
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13:44<havarka>i don`t mind even install gnome for that one program
13:44<SynrGy>you don't need gnome for network-manager
13:44<SynrGy>xfce works fine with network-manager
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13:46<havarka>havarka@alebre:~$ network-manager
13:46<havarka>bash: network-manager: command not found
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13:46<SynrGy>havarka: it doesn't work like that anyway
13:47<havarka>so should i start to google it like crazy, or you gonna do the work :P
13:47<SynrGy>dpkg -l network-manager*
13:47<dpkg>ii network-manager* 2.2-4 synrgy's private gamp collection
13:47<SynrGy>you could already have it. i don't know what xfce installs by default.
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13:48<havarka> ???
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13:49<SynrGy>you didn't include the '*'?
13:49<SynrGy>or it only showed the one?
13:49<havarka>i didnt
13:49<SynrGy>i suspect you also have network-manager-gnome
13:49<SynrGy>which means you probably have network-manager already running. should appear in the sys tray as an icon
13:50<havarka>it does
13:50<SynrGy>and you may be able to create an ad-hoc network from there
13:50<havarka>its gnome according its look
13:50<SynrGy>yep. it's gnomeish
13:50<havarka>create new wireless network?
13:50<SynrGy>i think so
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13:51<havarka>and then 128bit phrase? name password and thats it?
13:51<SynrGy>i've not used this before :)
13:51<SynrGy>so, simple, huh?
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13:52<havarka>doesnt work
13:52<SynrGy>what happens?
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13:53<havarka>that ittle icon starts turn and then it says its not connected
13:53<SynrGy>but you would have to set up the nexus7 similarly
13:54<SynrGy>with "direct connect" or some such
13:54<SynrGy>i forget how it's called
13:54<SynrGy>same network name, same key
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13:54<havarka>if it shows on nexus i can put the password there, but if i dont see it
13:55<SynrGy>i don't think it works that way
13:55<havarka>on ubuntu it did, and the same in windows
13:55<SynrGy>settings > network > wi-fi > press the icon with two circling arrows
13:55<SynrGy>oops, sorry
13:55<SynrGy>that's WPS
13:56<SynrGy>in the menu, "Wi-Fi Direct"
13:56<SynrGy>for me, this says "searching..." (i don't have any other endpoint for an ad-hoc network)
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13:57<havarka>dont have wifi direct
13:58<SynrGy>humm. maybe only in cyangonmod. i have no stock nexus here for comparison :(
13:58<havarka>but if the computer doesnt send the signal, what the heck???
13:58<SynrGy>i think it has a period during which it tries, and then gives up if the other peer doesn't answer within a reasonable amount of time
13:58<blast007>may also depend on which Nexus 7 as there were two versions
13:59<havarka>the never one
13:59<SynrGy>so it may be working already
13:59<havarka>guys it worked under ubuntu and windows
13:59<havarka>no, it doesnt
13:59<SynrGy>i mean the debian end of things
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14:00<havarka>so wtf can i do?
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14:00<havarka>there have to be some way if under windows it works, so what linux is worst?
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14:03<SynrGy>looking it up
14:03<SynrGy>there is this bug:
14:03<havarka>ok ok :)
14:03<SynrGy>do we still have dnsmasq, or was that removed?
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14:04<SynrGy>does it still have the configuration we tried to do for hostapd?
14:05<havarka>what do you mean ? the conf?
14:05<havarka>should have
14:06<SynrGy>it might not actually be appropriate for this case
14:06<SynrGy>try first purging it, then just install dnsmasq-base
14:06<havarka>so what should be there
14:06<SynrGy>apt-get purge dnsmasq dnsmasq-base
14:06<SynrGy>apt-get install dnsmasq-base
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14:06<SynrGy>also if you haven't already, then purge hostapd
14:07<havarka>lets try that
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14:07<foffa>where to get login screen manager ?
14:08<havarka>should i delete dnsmasq.conf ?
14:08<SynrGy>it wasn't deleted with the purge? yeah
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14:08<SynrGy>delete it
14:08<havarka>it wasnt
14:09<SynrGy>rm /etc/dnsmasq.conf, or wherever you put it
14:09<SynrGy>(as root, of course)
14:09<havarka>of course
14:09<havarka>i still use windows though
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14:10<havarka>hostapd.conf also remove right?
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14:12<havarka>no sudo apt-get install dnsmasq-base
14:12<havarka>and hen what?
14:12<SynrGy>at this point? don't know. i think a clean reboot is probably best, we've changed enough that nm might be confused
14:13<havarka>ok, so reboot
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14:15<havarka>again true network-manager try to create a wireless network?
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14:17<havarka>okey i see it, and it doesnt go down, but i dont see it on tablet
14:17<havarka>but we are not done
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14:18<SynrGy>done with the debian side of it, i think ... the rest, we use google for
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14:18<SynrGy>ummm ...
14:18<SynrGy>ok, i hope this is no longer true :)
14:19<SynrGy>that's from 2012. an older model
14:20<SynrGy>havarka: you're using the original rom with the n7?
14:20<havarka>but he tries to make from his android hotspot i try to get internet inside true hotspot
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14:20<havarka>SynrGy, yes, original
14:21<SynrGy>what version of android? it might still not have it :/
14:21<havarka>kitkat 4.4 something
14:22<SynrGy>i have CM11 M9. it has ad-hoc
14:22<havarka>i think there is problem with this linux, look in win and ubuntu it goes smoothly
14:22<SynrGy>installed on the N7 2013 with no problem
14:22<SynrGy>yeah, but not with ad-hoc, apparently
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14:23<SynrGy>which release of ubuntu? might have a more recent kernel in which your centrino supports AP mode
14:23<havarka>14.04 lts
14:23<SynrGy>yeah. that's super recent
14:23<havarka>the newest
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14:23<SynrGy>well, might work with a backports kernel:
14:23<SynrGy>!bpo kernel
14:23<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
14:24<SynrGy>newer kernel not in stable, but backported to work in stable.
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14:24<SynrGy>before going to all that bother, it would be nice to know for certain if this is the case.
14:24<havarka>meaning to get kernel from ubuntu to debian and then its gonna work?
14:24<SynrGy>exactly as the factoid above says. we would enable wheezy-backports repository (hosted by debian)
14:24<SynrGy>and get the kernel from that
14:24<SynrGy>but ...
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14:25<SynrGy>i have no certainty that would solve it
14:25<SynrGy>given our earlier missteps, i'm not sure we want to plunge into it yet.
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14:25<SynrGy>gather some more info about the issue first.
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14:27<SynrGy>havarka: in particular, i think the version of network-manager, rather than the version of the kernel may be the most important problem
14:27<havarka>or i just get back to ubuntu
14:27<SynrGy>and there's no backport of that for wheezy
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14:29<havarka>there are only two differencies between ubuntu and debian, right?
14:29<havarka>debian is stable
14:29<havarka>and ubunt has new stuff
14:30<SynrGy>debian is more stable than ubuntu, yes. and most of the time that is desirable
14:30<SynrGy>in this case, the feature you want will be available in the next stable, but that is not released yet ...
14:31<havarka>yes, but if i have to go every time to windows when my mom wanna chat over facebook, its a pain in the neck
14:31<valdyn>havarka: simplifying like that does not get you close to any real fact, its not useful
14:31<SynrGy>the other way forward on this problem would be to root your n7, but that's a decision i wouldn't want to push you into
14:31<havarka>valdyn i know
14:31<SynrGy>that n7 doesn't offer ad-hoc in the standard firmware is stupid
14:31<havarka>NO WAY!
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14:31<havarka>i think iam gonna go to xubuntu no other choice
14:32<SynrGy>sorry. tried my best.
14:32<SynrGy>good luck
14:32<valdyn>havarka: xubuntu may be better for you, not because its more stable or better than debian, but because you might get along better with its default settings
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14:32<SynrGy>also, LTS is a good choice if you want greater stability
14:33<havarka>i am getting ok even with debian, i am very non demanding user but this feature i do need
14:34<havarka>so we not gonna resolve this issue ?!
14:34<SynrGy>there may yet be a way to make it work ...
14:34<SynrGy>but i don't have enough info to give you good solid advice about it
14:34<SynrGy>i would need to know: 1) does your chipset support being an AP on the stable kernel? if not, do we need a backports kernel?
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14:35<SynrGy>2) does the network-manager in stable support being an AP? if not, do we have any alternative that's easy to set up?
14:35<havarka>i cannot even answer, i dont understand question :)
14:35<SynrGy>and these are questions i simply can't answer. and probably can't answer with only a few more minutes of study, either
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14:35<SynrGy>no worries. but someone here might have the answers already
14:36<SynrGy>that's the thing with irc. you take your chances with whoever's around at the time
14:36<zarchne>If you're looking at leaving debian altogether, trying a kernel from wheezy-backports is a reasonable thing to try first.
14:36<SynrGy>but i have my doubts that NM would work
14:37<SynrGy>someone linked .... let me dig this up ...
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14:37<SynrGy>14:39 < lioh> SynrG, states, that AP mode is experimental.
14:37<SynrGy>ah, this was the kernel.
14:37<havarka>lets try something
14:37<xcloudx>can some help me with b43 wireless adapter? I am getting b43-pci-bridge 0001:01:01.0: Warning: IOMMU window too big for device mask
14:37<valdyn>xcloudx: thats a warning, what is the error?
14:37<havarka>let my just burn lubuntu if it doesnt wake up :)
14:38<SynrGy>havarka: so that *might* work ... a backports kernel, i mean
14:38<havarka>zarchne, dont have a choice i really need it
14:38<SynrGy>havarka: given that ubuntu worked, it seems to suggest a backports kernel would. but the other half ... network-manager ...
14:38<SynrGy>i have yet to find out if it supports it
14:38<havarka>so lets try in the meantime i burn lubuntu
14:38<xcloudx>[ 28.623722] b43-pci-bridge 0001:01:01.0: Warning: IOMMU window too big for device mask
14:38<xcloudx>[ 28.625297] b43-phy0 ERROR: The machine/kernel does not support the required 30-bit DMA mask
14:39<valdyn>xcloudx: which is your kernel version?
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14:39<SynrGy>this is an older article:
14:39<xcloudx>3.2.0-4-powerpc64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u3 ppc64 GNU/Linux
14:39<SynrGy>from last year. it said that AP mode support wasn't in there in network-manager 0.9.8
14:39<SynrGy>,v network-manager
14:39<valdyn>xcloudx: use a more recent kernel from backports
14:39<judd>Package: network-manager on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.1-6+squeeze2; squeeze-backports:; wheezy:; jessie:; sid:
14:40<SynrGy>havarka: so i think the only network-manager version that would support AP mode would be the one currently in jessie (the next stable release)
14:40<SynrGy>havarka: that's 0.9.10 which, i hope, now has AP mode working
14:40<valdyn>xcloudx: heres probably the fix patch for your issue, but its probably in newer kernels anyway:
14:41<valdyn>xcloudx: see if the description matches your problem though
14:41<xcloudx>ok.. thanks..
14:41<havarka>so what to do ?
14:42<havarka>so whats will be more stable LTS or this unstable debian ?
14:42<valdyn>this is such a weird question
14:43<valdyn>havarka: lts obviously
14:43<valdyn>havarka: unstable changes daily, thats not stable at all
14:43<SynrGy>havarka: i definitely don't want to throw you at testing/unstable. not as a newbie
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14:43<havarka>ok so lets go to lubuntu
14:44<valdyn>havarka: stable is the opposite of changeing, not the opposite of crashing
14:44<havarka>i understand
14:44<SynrGy>havarka: try that for a while. if, later, when jessie releases, you want to try debian again, it will probably have this feature.
14:44<SynrGy>just bad luck that we didn't know this before spending all day on it
14:45<SynrGy>the hostapd + dnsmasq route we were going down earlier *might* have worked ...
14:45<SynrGy>with a backports kernel
14:45<havarka>ehm np
14:46<SynrGy>but it certainly doesn't have point-and-click simplicity
14:46<havarka>burning lubuntu
14:46<havarka>good company here
14:47<SynrGy>i hope the ubuntu support channels are as helpful for you. good luck
14:47<havarka>when new debian gonna be released i go go to crunchbang its so !$%^ing quick! :) and useful
14:47<havarka>yeaaah, they have this askubuntu, very nice thing
14:47<havarka>and its full of geogle
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14:54<havarka>thanks bro for your day SynrGy
14:55<SynrGy>learned a bit :)
14:57<xcloudx>So is this the backport that I need ? linux-image-3.12-0.bpo.1-powerpc64 (3.12.9-1~bpo70+1)
14:57<valdyn>xcloudx: you dont need any specific kernel version
14:57<valdyn>xcloudx: last i checked theres quite a few in backports
14:58<valdyn>xcloudx: 3.14 will probably be supported for a long time, so i would use that one
14:58<valdyn>xcloudx: or make up your own mind
14:59<SynrGy>well, in fact, 3.16 will be supported for a long time ...
14:59<SynrGy>but that doesn't essentially change valdyn's point :)
14:59<valdyn>so 3.16 is decided for jessie?
15:00<SynrGy>so it was announced recently
15:00<valdyn>but that is not available in backports anyway
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15:01<valdyn>xcloudx: it would be sensible to not use any version that what jessie would use, but thats not an option fortunately
15:02<valdyn>xcloudx: i meant .. that is higher that what jessie will use ..
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15:08<xcloudx>So which one do you suggest I use?
15:09<valdyn>xcloudx: /random
15:09<valdyn>xcloudx: or 3.14
15:10<xcloudx>I'll try 3.14 then
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15:23<xcloudx>ok..just updated kernel 3.14 .. time to reboot.. wish me luck
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15:48<havarka>so well, here ist also doesnt work :p
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15:50<SynrGy>havarka: well, i dunno what to say, since it's no longer debian ...
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17:12<DarkUranium>^ 11 seconds. A new record?
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17:26<DarkUranium>[23:11:24] <denix> Hi!!!
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17:26<DarkUranium>devil: ^
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17:27<ninkotech>hi. i need some central logging service for hundreds of servers... what would you recommend me to use?
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17:28<sney>syslog-ng, maybe?
17:29<ompaul>it depends on what you want to log - are they awake, nagios / munnin and stuff and what's happening on board what sney said
17:29<ompaul>ninkotech: so really the question needs more bones.
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17:32<ninkotech>sney, ompaul: well, i need to log status of services and some events... not really high volume for now... but the demand might grow...
17:32<ninkotech>ompaul: i dont have much more bones myself :)
17:32<ompaul>what was said, but go do a fair bit of reading
17:33<ompaul>also look at the security implications if one of your monitoring tools goes askew
17:33<ninkotech>i did... but i am asking for inspiration based on experience :)
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17:34<ompaul>is it web
17:34<ninkotech>cant decide if i should use logstash, fluentd, scribe, or just good old rsyslog
17:34<ninkotech>or something different
17:34<ompaul>is it a number cruncher
17:34<ninkotech>ompaul: :) i know this channel has many talents :)
17:34<ompaul>is there something about a linked up service where node management has some useful data
17:35<ompaul>what happens when you add something or take it away
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17:35<ompaul>how noisy are things going to be
17:35<ompaul>how to control the noise to an acceptable level
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17:35<ninkotech>those are all good questions...
17:36<ompaul>you have the answers
17:36<ninkotech>i dont know yet :)
17:36<ompaul>if you don't you need them before you go further
17:36<ompaul>else you are dreaming in a wakened state
17:36<ompaul>because ... and this is slightly important
17:37<ompaul>if you have no idea what you are getting into any bias about a solution might be a bad idea
17:37<ninkotech>ompaul: its not me dreaming, its someone who wants that from me, who is not sure what he really wants... but can punish me if i do it wrong, hehe
17:37<ompaul>so here is the deal
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17:38<ompaul>you demand a spec, you do it so you can firm up your plans, you say that choosing the wrong option will cost in CPU, Disk etc
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17:38<ompaul>network resources
17:38<ompaul>all these can be expensive when you scale up
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17:38<ompaul>if they want to waste resources and plan in a wrong direction so be it
17:39<ompaul>change later in a plan is more expensive than at the paper stage
17:39<ninkotech>i would like to make it simple first, changeable
17:39<ompaul>it is always changeable
17:39<ninkotech>ompaul: that works only if you can plan :)
17:39<ompaul>if the system is running
17:39<ompaul>can you afford to change to a more optimal system when the organic is so embedded
17:39<ninkotech>i still am not sure how high the demand of the service will be. kind of might grow if they find it useful
17:40<ninkotech>ompaul: i believe i will be able to change that :)
17:40<ompaul>then you already have a kind of a plan in mind
17:40<ninkotech>ompaul: thanks a lot man, you helped me to regain my sanity a bit
17:40<ompaul>which has data to support
17:40<ompaul>it or it doesn't
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17:41<ompaul>if it doesn't planning for large scale may be easier to replace with something on a small scale
17:42<ompaul>ninkotech: I'll give you one last idea to take away, fixed limits and so forth are a bad idea.
17:42<ninkotech>i agree :)
17:42<ompaul>also rotations
17:42<ompaul>that's fun
17:42<ompaul>you can rotate based on size
17:42<ninkotech>i think i would love storing logs in redis :)
17:42<ompaul>and how to monitor the montiros
17:42<ninkotech>just for 5 days
17:42<ninkotech>or so
17:43<ompaul>just five days
17:43<ninkotech>or maybe into mongo
17:43<ompaul>oh look there is a regulated service because $government
17:43<ompaul>woops, now you are not allowed delete anything
17:43<ompaul>you have to keep it all and make it available to regulators who can't read it and don't understand it
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17:44<ompaul>you logged LOTS and all of a sudden you have a legal obligation to keep logging lots
17:44*ompaul is not bitter, twisted, or in the least bit angry
17:44<ninkotech>ompaul: heh, this would make admin cry...
17:44<ompaul>so these are the thoughts before you do something
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17:45<ompaul>what is the implication in 10 years
17:45<ninkotech>ompaul: ty for your time :)
17:45<ninkotech>ompaul: luckily for me, i dont need that :)
17:45<ninkotech>(keeping logs so long)
17:45*ompaul is turning into a fifty something year old pointy haired practitioner
17:45<ompaul>ninkotech: I've to keep them for six years
17:46<ompaul>AFTER contract expires
17:46<ompaul>we never saw that coming
17:46<ompaul>oh did I mention I have to keep the matching data
17:46<ninkotech>you are free to do what we tell you!
17:47*ompaul is considering getting into selling logging and storage solutions supply side
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17:47<ninkotech>i can do that... thats the other service i do ;)
17:47<ompaul>oh and using the cloud would be illegal
17:47<ompaul>because $other_regulation
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17:48<ompaul>yeah this is the fun and those are the practical problems of me today :)
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17:48<ompaul>oh and just for kicks my debian firewalls pen test requirements to change the hashes for ssh has been completed
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17:48<ompaul>did anyone say contractual obligations at the same time
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17:49<ompaul>now you got three horses pulling at the same resources
17:49<ninkotech>ompaul: take soma and dont worry, be happy!
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17:49<ompaul>ninkotech: :-)
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17:49<ompaul>dude tell the thought police they'll sort that for me
17:49*ompaul holds a riot in his head
17:50<ompaul>tear down the walls of self censorship the mini me's in my brain cried
17:50<efstajas>hi there, I'm having a problem with apache2 and got redirected here. Every time I want to start it, it says "Can't open /etc/apache2/envvars". I reinstalled via apt-get multiple times, yet still no works. I'm not the most experienced user.
17:50<ninkotech>wow... someone will report your thoughtcrime to authorities...
17:50<ompaul>ninkotech: It's ok mostly I'm outspoken anyway
17:51<ompaul>efstajas: what version of what?
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17:51<ninkotech>efstajas: i dont have that file and it works for me...
17:52<ompaul>efstajas: so here is the question again, what version of debian are you using?
17:52<efstajas>Debian 7, is that enough?
17:52<ninkotech>efstajas: maybe you should first: apt-get remove --purge apache2
17:52<ompaul>ninkotech: let's establish what they have first
17:53<efstajas>I did that before
17:53<efstajas>Sorry, ninkotech: I did that before.
17:53<ompaul>efstajas: apt-cache policy apache2 <<<<< put the output of that into (not anything else thanks)
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17:54<ompaul>,v apache2
17:54<judd>Package: apache2 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.2.22-13+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u3; jessie: 2.4.10-1; sid: 2.4.10-1
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17:56<efstajas>ompaul: sorry where you talking to me?
17:57<ompaul>efstajas: I've never seen that error do these: sudo apt-get remove --purge apache2 apache2-utils ; apt-get install apache2
17:57<ompaul>efstajas: looks like you have something really badly broken that shouldn't be
17:57<ompaul>efstajas: kind of like you did some partial removal of the package by hand
17:58<efstajas>ompaul: I got a 'The following packages have unmet dependencies: apache2.2-common : Depends: apache2-utils but it is not going to be installed E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.'
17:58<ompaul>efstajas: so you have proposed updates - you might have fallen between things
17:58<zarchne>envvars is in apache2.2-common
17:58<efstajas>zarchne: so I should try reinstalling that?
17:58<ompaul>efstajas: apt-get update & apt-get dist-upgrade
17:58<ompaul>efstajas: it will be pulled in by apache2
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17:59<efstajas>ompaul: will do
17:59<zarchne>also 2.2.22-13+deb7u3 is wheezy-security, so I don't think that's a problem.
17:59<ompaul>I meta package once, it was very verbose
17:59<zarchne>I'm saying try purging and reinstall apache2.2-common as well.
17:59*ompaul cringes at how bad that pun was
18:00<ompaul>it should go under the apache2 banner
18:00<ompaul>should do ...
18:00<efstajas>ompaul: went through and grabbed 1024kb. will purging and reinstall apache common thing now too, zarchne
18:00<ompaul>efstajas: if new kernel restart before continuing
18:01<efstajas>ompaul all right, I'll restart, can't hurt
18:01<ompaul>efstajas: you shouldn't have anything pinned :)
18:01<ompaul>efstajas: it shouldn't, and it shouldn't be done unless you have a new kernel
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18:03<efstajas>all right, ompaul zarchne, just restarted. should I purge & install apache2.2-common as well now?
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18:03<ompaul>efstajas: apt-get remove --purge apache*
18:03<ompaul>kills it all
18:04<efstajas>ompaul I just entered it and now it tells me it will GET 5108kb of archives. 7 to remove, 1 newly installed. is that right?
18:04<ompaul>efstajas: entered what?
18:04<efstajas>ompaul apt-get remove --purge apache*
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18:05<efstajas>ompaul it wants to install php5-cgi
18:05<ompaul>efstajas: on a purge command?
18:05<zarchne>Maybe because something else depends on php5 but modphp is going away.
18:06<ompaul>efstajas: were you also running a framework?
18:06<efstajas>ompaul yes...
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18:06<efstajas>ompaul I have no idea what that is. It's not even my server, a friend asked me to fix this problem
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18:07<ompaul>efstajas: back away and stay away leave them to work out what they have / broke
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18:07<ompaul>efstajas: did they ever have a working install?
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18:08<efstajas>ompaul yes, I was able to see their webpage yesterday evening. Dude even got wordpress installed. Not sure what he did to brake it.
18:08<ompaul>wordpress is almost a request to break itself
18:08<efstajas>ompaul but how would it break apache :D
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18:09<ompaul>because it has dependencies within it
18:09<ompaul>things linked from this to that
18:10<efstajas>all right that doesn't sound good I guess? So I should tell my friend to reinstall his whole server or what? it's pretty fucked up?
18:10<zarchne>... what about just "apt-get install --reinstall apache2.2-common"?
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18:10<efstajas>zarchne: will try that now.
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18:10<efstajas>zarchne: now try starting again?
18:11<ompaul>well ... if it's broken that's not going to fix it
18:11<ompaul>if wp is broken who knows where
18:11<zarchne>if the only problem is that envvars is missing, it should.
18:11<ompaul>get permission to rip it all down and find a better self publishing framework
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18:12<efstajas>it still gets me the error zarchne :(
18:12<ompaul>zarchne: fair point, but I doubt that is the only fault ... oh look
18:12<ompaul>efstajas: so you have something that is broken maybe at the mysql maybe at the php level some thing else level
18:12<efstajas>I will try nuking apache* now, should I just give it a y?
18:13<ompaul>how old was the site
18:13<efstajas>I mean apt-get remove --purge apache*
18:13<ompaul>less than 24 hours?
18:13<ompaul>i.e. low value
18:13<ompaul>or high value
18:13<efstajas>ompaul: i set mysql up for him two days before, so yeah
18:13<ompaul>years of work
18:13<ompaul>kill it all and start again
18:13<efstajas>ompaul: no it wouldn't be a big problem to delete everything
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18:14<ompaul>nice clean reinstall
18:14<ompaul>sort out a back up for the data
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18:14<ompaul>then let him break it again :) with the instruction you break it there is the manual
18:14<efstajas>ompaul: it sounds so tempting :D I'll try 'apt-get remove --purge apache*' now and if that doesn't work I'll tell me friend he fucked up
18:14<ompaul>tee all the commands
18:15<ompaul>append them into a file so you have a log of how you get where ever
18:15<ompaul>screen shot stuff that won't tee etc
18:15<ompaul>have fun
18:15<efstajas>ompaul: haha honestly I wan't to just forgot about his server, maybe I should give him instructions on how to use IRC ;)
18:16<ompaul>teach netiquette above all otehr things
18:17<ompaul>right nn it's lights out time
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18:17<efstajas>oh I couldn't even say thanks :(
18:18<efstajas>well fuck me sideways it works
18:19<zarchne>ompaul's negativity was dragging it down.
18:19<efstajas>Haha :D
18:20<efstajas>let's see how long until it's broken again. Thanks a lot zarchne and ompaul, even though he's gone. :)
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18:20<efstajas>good night!
18:20<zarchne>good night, you're welcome
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20:18<averytho_>Is there a good way to monitor network traffic on debian
20:18<averytho_>So that I can see where the most connections are coming from
20:18<averytho_>etc DDoS
20:18<sney>you are probably looking for something like wireshark
20:19<sney>or maybe munin
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20:27<oldlaptop>averytho_: you could look at netflow stuff
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20:28<oldlaptop>I could link you to a nice article on setting up a netflow exporter, but that's for openbsd :P
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21:37<rryoumaa>averytho_: nethogs for bandwidth
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22:38<nishi>how to check my wireless driver is working properly
22:38<sney>1) determine what driver it is, 2) check dmesg for any complaints about "firmware not found" etc, 3) 'iwlist wlan0 scan'
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22:40<sney>in the case of #2 appearing, wifi firmware is conveniently packaged in non-free so as long as your nic isn't absurdly new, it's pretty painless to get it installed
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23:27<aidalgol>How do I make mail use a maildir format instead of mbox?
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