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00:01<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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02:23<theocrite>During a Debian install, is there a way to create an encrypted partition without initializing the physical volume with random data? (I have a brand new disk and I don't need to take care of possible previous data).
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03:22<tgarchive>Good day
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03:23<tgarchive>I am .tg archive
03:23<tgarchive>very rare
03:23<tgarchive>do you know how to extract me?
03:25<tgarchive>( if you will try tar -xzvf , I will return an error : no in gzip format )
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03:25<tgarchive>they tell ".tg Gzip Compressed Tar Archive Rare"
03:26<tgarchive>yes I am rare ;-)
03:26<shadow>a joke?
03:26<tgarchive>nope, not a joke
03:26<tgarchive>nobody knows how to open me
03:26<tgarchive>I am sad
03:26<tgarchive>do you know, maybe?
03:27<shadow>I've got a few minutes before going to sleep
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03:27<shadow>if that is a serious question, let me know, I may help
03:27<tgarchive>Yes, its very serious
03:27<tgarchive>7-Zip and WinRar cannot open either
03:27<tgarchive>and google doesnt reveal much
03:28<shadow>what size is the file, is it confidential, and would it be possible to share?
03:28<tgarchive>sadly, its about 1 GB. it is not confidential, but will take too much time to download
03:28<shadow>ah, yeah
03:28<shadow>what are the first 10 bytes?
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03:30<tgarchive>00 - 0f bytes :
03:30<tgarchive>25 0f a8 43 , 77 5a 62 64 , 30 7e 40 77 , fe 81 ae df
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03:34<shadow>doesn't seem to be a magic for it
03:35<shadow>tgarchive: where's this file from, like what year and machine?
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03:35<tgarchive>its from a linux machine, 2014
03:35<tgarchive>but as far as I know, this type of archive was commonly used during 200x years
03:36<tgarchive>* commonly - more often then now. still was rare
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03:37<tgarchive>(now im trying to find a smaller file thats also tg)
03:37<shadow>might be cpio
03:37<shadow>try cat filename.ext | cpio -t
03:37<shadow>to list contents
03:37<shadow>if it comes up with a listing then maybe that's it
03:38<shadow>it could also be gzipped cpio without a header
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03:38<shadow>I would guess it is much simpler than that however
03:38<tgarchive>got many lines of "cpio: Malformed number"...
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03:39<tgarchive>also i tried opening it with Ark as CPIO and CPIO (gzipped) , cant open
03:39<shadow>gzcat filename.ext | cpio -t
03:39<shadow>kisses and hugs?
03:40<xdjeiw>I mean helo world
03:41<tgarchive>still malformed
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03:43<shadow>tgarchive: lempel-ziv compress ?
03:44<shadow>interesting thought though
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03:44<shadow>tgarchive: if you want to send the file over, I do have a fast connection
03:46<shadow>ah, yeah that could work
03:47<shadow>or make a new account, hard link the file, and I'll sftp from you
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03:47<tgarchive>1 moment
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03:50<tgarchive>here is a link to torrent file
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03:51<tgarchive>nice. would be happy if you can do it
03:51<shadow>will give it a try
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03:54<tgarchive>hmmm, it doesnt look like it seeds... is it possible to seed torrents if I'm behind a proxy (but proxy was set up in torrent client and I can download)
03:54<shadow>your guess is same as my guess
03:55<shadow>the torrent file loaded right up
03:55<tgarchive>:( and i cant find any other file that is .tg extension
03:55<shadow>that's veering off topic for #debian though, please do keep me informed by privmsg :)
03:56<tgarchive>oh. i am sorry for bothering you with not-related topic. I will try to find a solution, and if I find I will PM you
03:56<tgarchive>you never know what you could encounter :-P
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04:08<MarvelDigital>is there anyway to use watchguard ssl firebox via wine on debian wheezy? it install "properly" i think, but doesn't connect.
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04:11<jm_>what is "watchguard ssl firebox"?
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04:23<MarvelDigital>jm_, its a VPN client that uses OPENSSL in the back (from what i've read)...but for some reason, it doesn't connect.
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04:24<jm_>MarvelDigital: perhaps try #winehq on I also recommend reading /msg dpkg wine and /msg dpkg newer wine
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04:27<MarvelDigital>jm_, thanks. i'll look into it, hopefully they'll have a solution.
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04:58<Mark-1>anyone know why i dont have kernel-package under /usr/share/doc?
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05:02<peter1138>Because you don't have the package 'kernel-package' installed?
05:03<Mark-1>does ont come installed in a clean install of debian ?
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05:03<petn-randall>,v kernel-package
05:03<judd>Package: kernel-package on i386 -- squeeze: 12.036+nmu1; wheezy: 12.036+nmu3; jessie: 13.014; sid: 13.014
05:04<peter1138>There's generally no need to compile your own kernel on a clean install.
05:04<peter1138>(Also, I thought make-kpkg etc was obsolete)
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05:04<petn-randall>peter1138: It is. 'make debpkg' was the "proper" way, AFAIR.
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05:06<peter1138>Seems odd that that package still gets updated.
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05:40<petn-randall>peter1138: Probably only bugfixes to ease the transition?
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06:46<tgarchive>for those who are curious, it turned out that tg archive is an encrypted file for installer
06:46<tgarchive>for some pirated EDA software (circuit design)
06:46<tgarchive>thank you for help
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07:00<tgarchive1>Have a good day everyone! Happy hacking :)
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07:40<Cyd>meehh nothing to hack atm… I have to write documentation...
07:40<Cyd>for like 3 projects… :(
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08:10<francis_>hello, i was thinking about putting debian on a usb stick, is there a base image i can simply blast to a stick?
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08:12<jm_>all installation images work like that and then there's debian live
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08:12<SynrG>Just use the installer
08:13<SynrG>If it's only going to be used on one host
08:13<SynrG>Otherwise make a custom live image
08:13<SynrG>Using live-build
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08:15<francis_>many years ago i built sticks using something that made a chroot environment
08:16*peter1138 mumbles about any Gnome 3 theme being for 3.10 or 3.12 :p
08:17<SynrG>live-build does exactly that from very small recipes
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08:19<SynrG>francis_: read live-manual for details. See also #debian-live
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08:20<SynrG>The downside of an install is certain write - once configuration gets embedded in the install like udev stuff
08:21<SynrG>That doesn't work so well when the stick should be usable from multiple systems
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08:38<emmausemmaus> I have a single small btrfs partition on a disk how can i expand the partition to use entire disk ?
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08:40<jeffrin>is it possible to create a new partition with btrfs
08:40<Brigo>emmausemmaus, you first need to expand de partition table with fdisk, cfdisk, then extend the filesystem inside with the tool.
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08:40<Brigo>jeffrin, of course yes.
08:41<dinnah>tryin to run faling...i get dis "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
08:41<dinnah>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
08:41<dinnah>hlp plis
08:42<emmausemmaus>Brigo: can i do so with the / mounted ?
08:42<petn-randall>dinnah: Can you paste the full command and the output you get to
08:42<Brigo>emmausemmaus, you cannot and should not resize a mounted partition.
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08:43<dinnah>ok i wil du dat petn-randall
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08:44<emmausemmaus>Brigo: thanks booting livecd bye
08:44<Brigo>emmausemmaus, stop
08:45<Brigo>i just remember taht btrfs can do online resizing
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08:45<francis_>ext2 or ext4 for a usb stick?
08:46<jeffrin>francis_ : etx4 may be good
08:46<Brigo>!tell emmausemmaus about private
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08:47<jeffrin>francis_ : ext4 is journaling filesystem
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08:47<francis_>i would have thought ext2 would be better maybe
08:47<Brigo>emmausemmaus, please write here. Do not send private messages.
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08:48<Brigo>emmausemmaus, did you try gparted?
08:48<Brigo>emmausemmaus, it is a easy graphical tool.
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08:49<emmausemmaus>Brigo: sorry for the private i didn't know
08:49<Brigo>emmausemmaus, no problem :)
08:49<emmausemmaus>yes i tried gparted could resize the partition
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08:50<instigator>Hi. Is there software on debian, which can encrypt an external hard drive without having to format it first?
08:50<francis_>i have 72GB of ram, do i need swap?
08:50<emmausemmaus>i know the filesystem btrfs handles online resizing but i can find anything that resize the partition not the fs
08:50<francis_>i was going to use the system as a vm host
08:51<Brigo> emmausemmaus what about gparted? you said gparted could resize the partition
08:51<emmausemmaus>i missed the not resize
08:51<jeffrin>francis_ : may be safe to use swap
08:52<francis_>i have a problem if i need to use swap no?
08:52<jeffrin>francis_ : swap may function only if your ram is not enough
08:52<petn-randall>emmausemmaus: It's always a good thing to read the topic of a channel, too.
08:52<francis_>yes there are things i could swap out, but really i should never touch swap
08:52<Brigo>emmausemmaus, cat you paste the output of fdisk -l of your disk in
08:52<francis_>also i wanted to keep the real disks for vm's
08:53<francis_>the usb should just load the OS and kvm
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08:53<francis_>and store the mdadm etc config
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08:56<emmausemmaus>Brigo: there is 395Gb free after sda1 before the extended
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08:57<jeffrin>francis_ : are you trying to save space by avoiding swap ?
08:57<francis_>i am trying to avoid swapping
08:57<francis_>and avoid writes to the usb stick
08:58<Brigo>emmausemmaus, then you can use cfdiks to resize your partition
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08:59<emmausemmaus><Brigo: will be back once i tried with knoppix thanks
08:59<francis_>ah it was debootstrap i used to use to build systems on usb sticks
08:59<subzero>brigo : resize without loosing info ?
08:59<Brigo>emmausemmaus, ok, good luck, then :)
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08:59<subzero>data i mean
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08:59<Brigo>subzero, btrfs?
08:59<Brigo>subzero, usually :D
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09:02<jeffrin>francis_ : are you trying to avoid writes on usb stick and also no interested to give swap space in disk ?
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09:03<francis_>jeffrin: well i might just a little mad, but i don't believe a vm host should swap to disk
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09:04<guoqi_>hello everyone
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09:06<jeffrin>francis_ : may be you are right ?
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09:06<jeffrin>francis_ : may be you are right
09:07<jeffrin>francis_ : will the software that run vm may use swap right ?
09:07<francis_>i developed a search index some years ago, didn't have this amount of ram to play with, but basically i had the opinion that swap should never be used
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09:08<francis_>jeffrin: a vm itself can swap i don't care about that
09:08<francis_>but a host should not be able to over allocate ram
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09:10<jeffrin>francis_ : is there any thing like quota management ?
09:11<francis_>well you can over subscribe ram, but you can limit vm's to a certain amount
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09:13<francis_>ok i don't think i need ram, and if i do i can always add some
09:14<francis_>i am semi tempted to encrypt my drives,
09:16<francis_>actually no, will worry about that when i've got more than a server from ebay
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09:25<stemid>is there some way to do the selections for dpkg-reconfigure libpam-runtime in a batch job? scriptable?
09:25<francis_>stemid: bash script?
09:26<stemid>yes, but non-interactively
09:26<francis_>good point
09:26<stemid>(batch does not imply microsoft;)
09:26<francis_>i used to do installs with package options
09:26<francis_>but that was when i was a sysadmin 10 years ago
09:28<stemid>I think the answers are configured in debconf
09:28<stemid>sudo debconf-show libpam-runtime
09:28<stemid>I think I just found the answer to my question
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09:30<francis_>there was something i could give me a systems configuration in a file and i could supply it to new builds to setup new systems quickly, but heck i don't remember any more, sorry
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09:32<stemid>I use that to deploy debian systems.
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09:33<francis_>that sounds about right
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09:42<luisgimenez>hi good mornig
09:43<luisgimenez>anyone has knowledge of this problem
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09:43<luisgimenez>udo hdparm -z /dev/nand
09:43<luisgimenez>re-reading partition table
09:43<luisgimenez>BLKRRPART failed: Device or resource busy
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09:49<MTecknology>How can I reinstall specific files from a package?
09:50<casper366>after tons of searching: is there a way to open a terminal and get the same message, than when I login in a different console (ctrl+alt
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09:52<mullein>MTecknology: i think that if you do "apt-get install --reinstall package_name" that it will replace any deleted files except for config files
09:52<mullein>but if i were in your situation i'd try with a nonessential package first
09:54<fr33domlover>Hello, is there a way to install Debian (or a derivative) on a USB-connected drive without booting from a LiveCD? Something like debootstrap I guess + ability to make manual changes after that, all without rebooting the machine (the final step will be to switch between the external and internal drives)
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10:08<theocrite>What's the default type of partition table the installer uses? msdos and gpt when >2G?
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10:13<MTecknology>mullein: but this is a config file I want restored :(
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10:15<MTecknology>dpkg --install --force-confmiss :D
10:15<dpkg>MTecknology: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
10:15<MTecknology>dpkg: It's okay. You're still my friend.
10:15<dpkg>MTecknology: bugger all, i dunno
10:15<jean_>how do I open a port to connect to remotely? I do not seem to have iptables running and specifically I want to open port 993
10:15<MTecknology>oh :(
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10:16<MTecknology>jean_: iptables -L; only root can open ports <=1024; that's about it
10:16<blast007>jean_: behind NAT? does your ISP block that port?
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10:17<mullein>MTecknology: you found it, i think dpkg-reconfigure could also have restored config files
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10:19<jean_>blast007: I did not check that. I am trying to get davmail working as a server so I do not have to use outlook
10:19<luisgimenez>BLKRRPART failed: Device or resource busy
10:19<luisgimenez>anyone have i can to resolve
10:19<jean_>MTecknology: thanks will check that.
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10:24<El_Presidente>good evening ladies and gents. I joined this channel seeking help in a small matter.. I'm trying to install debian on my other laptop all going nicely.. one thing driving me crazy is a label on my disk "ubunttu", I cant get rid of it.. note this is not a partition label, I dont know what ubuntu did to my disk..
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10:24<El_Presidente>the name appears in Bios! When I go to bios to choose boot drive, I see "ubuntu" in list, how can I change that name?
10:25<El_Presidente>I'd like to mention e2label and fdisk didnt help
10:25<ixi>efi system or bios system?
10:25<El_Presidente>I even tried instaling windows to wipe that "ubuntu" label to no avail.. googling didnt help
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10:26<ixi>it's probably a partition label
10:26<El_Presidente>just when he system starts after bios logo, I press ESC to choose boot device, I see my CDROM, USB stick.. and at top of list: Ubuntu!
10:27<ixi>I don't see what else it could be.
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10:28<El_Presidente>me too.. I dont know what it is.. note I deleted all partitions.. and did fresh installs of debian but whenever I go to device selector it shows me ubuntu.. I think ubuntu did something to my disk itself chaning "device label" not parition..
10:28<El_Presidente>hence why I ask if there is a tool or so that will allow me to remove that
10:29<ixi>I doubt that you have repartitioned the disk properly
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10:29<ixi>but that's just my opinion
10:30<lioh>El_Presidente, did you try to reset your bios?
10:30<El_Presidente>on a fresh wheezy install, I selected "use entire disk" and used auto selection, from the list I saw only two partitions: ext4 and swap.. proceeded with installation.. wheezy boots nicely..
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10:30<El_Presidente>I go back to Bios.. ubuntu is device name! when I select it I go into my new wheezy!
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10:31<ixi>boot from gparted livecd, see if you can alter the label there.
10:31<ixi>if you can not, zero first 10 MB of the hard drive
10:31<ixi>I'm 99.9% sure that the ubuntu thing will go away
10:31<periklis>hello ..someone there to give me some usfull instruction maybe??im from greece
10:31<ixi>(all of your data too)
10:31<El_Presidente>will try gparted livecd now..
10:31<El_Presidente>many thanks ixi and lioh for replying
10:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
10:32<ixi>periklis ^
10:33<periklis>ixi i need sm info about chnells.....
10:33<periklis>i need peppermint os...but nobody in the peppermint chatroom....
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10:33<ixi>periklis we only support debian users here
10:33<ixi>if peppermint os doesn't have good enough support, give debian a try
10:34<El_Presidente>periklis try debian + xfce = awesome!
10:34<petn-randall>El_Presidente: awesome is a different WM than xfwm :)
10:34<periklis>i know and sorry...i want but i got law ram
10:34<ixi>how much
10:35<El_Presidente>haha petn
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10:35<ixi>periklis enough for xfce desktop really
10:36<alvarezp>El_Presidente: you may be talking about a grub label, nt necessarily about a partition label
10:37<alvarezp>El_Presidente: (just thinking out loud)
10:37<periklis>so to be part of y here...i have to use debian xfce on my acer travelmate 2a350
10:37<El_Presidente>thanks. I'm downloading gparted, I like the "wipe clean zeroize" idea to start fresh
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10:38<alvarezp>periklis: well, it's more that is highly unlikely that somebody knows anything about peppermint os around here, and it would be off-topic anyway.
10:39<alvarezp>periklis: Debian provides LXDE too, the same as Peppermint OS offers. You may want to give Debian + LXDE a try.
10:39<luisgimenez>:/media/SD# cat /proc/patitions
10:39<luisgimenez>Segmentation fault
10:39<luisgimenez>anyone help me
10:39<periklis>ok last question then...any idea if i can install debian without cd or usb?or its inpossible
10:40<ixi>periklis it's doable but not trivial
10:40<luisgimenez>if i reboot lost the system is a remote computer %& can`t reset
10:40<petn-randall>El_Presidente: petn<tab>, I don't get highlighted if you don't type my full nick.
10:41<alvarezp>periklis: I have switched to Debian from Ubuntu without reinstalling but it was a huge mess and required a lot of definitely-non-trivial cleanup.
10:41<El_Presidente>I'm using a webIRC client petn-randall, once I get my wheezy up and running will install a proper irc client and join you all :)
10:42<periklis>i will tell y in one sek
10:42<El_Presidente>are you using a graphical client or command line?
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10:43<alvarezp>periklis: it's really easy to end up with a broken installation
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10:46<periklis>right now :) i cnt download and install any program....neither the unetbootin the best thing i can thing is you give me the url of downloading debian lxce and find other pc to make my usb bootable :)
10:47<periklis>peppermint os....never again
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10:58<El_Presidente>booted into gparted live and deleted all partitions!
10:59<El_Presidente>how do I wipe the first 10mb ? not using gparted right?
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11:00<El_Presidente>@ alvarezp ixi lioh
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11:02<lioh>El_Presidente, copying 10mb from /dev/zero to you drive (using dd) should work ... i guess.
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11:04*El_Presidente would very much appreciate the command for /dev/sda
11:05<El_Presidente>lioh: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda ?
11:06<El_Presidente>what is the parameter for specifying the first 10 mb?
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11:07<lioh>El_Presidente, not bad. Look for 'count=N' in 'man dd'.
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11:11<El_Presidente>I'm doing dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=4k ..
11:12<El_Presidente>I guess that will do the whole drive, lioh
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11:15<El_Presidente>I stopped it.. rebooting sys
11:16<El_Presidente>omg that ubuntu label is still there :(
11:16<El_Presidente>from the bios boot menu, first item is ubuntu..
11:16<El_Presidente>anyone any ideas?
11:18<zub>hm? dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=10M count=1
11:18<zub>if you want to wipe the 10 MiB at the beginning of sdX
11:19<El_Presidente>zub, I think its a parameter built into the disk itself..
11:19<zub>bs != sector size, at least doesn't have to be equal to sector size
11:19<El_Presidente>the label shows in bios directly (without booting into anything), clean installing many times/deleting all partitions, changing filesystem, all didnt help..
11:20<zub>m'kay, then I have no idea, I just thought you asked how to wipe the 1st 10 MiB of a drive
11:20<El_Presidente>thanks mate
11:22<zub>Though I'd find it very strange. And if, then somewhere in nvram, not in disk. Disk has plenty of IDs it can tell you, but not OS name.
11:22<zub>AFAIK, that is.
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11:23<El_Presidente>zub, its just a name but I cant get rid of it.. I dont know what ubuntu did to my disk.. I'm in liveCD gparted and I cant find anything to change disk label.. there is partition labels, nothing for the device itself
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11:25<ixi>El_Presidente dd if=/dev/zero of=/devsda bs=1M count=10
11:25<ixi>err /dev/sda
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11:26<El_Presidente>I did that, ixi
11:26<ixi>El_Presidente pastebin fdisk -l
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11:28<El_Presidente>I'm chatting from anotehr computer!
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11:28<ixi>only 2 suspects left, 1) this is some efi crap 2) this is some brain-dead heuristic in bios ("can't detect osx or windows, MUST BE UBUNTU")
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11:29<El_Presidente>haha, sounds logical ixi
11:29<El_Presidente>this only appeared after I installed ubuntu server though
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11:32<El_Presidente>I give up.. will just install wheezy.. forget about the name :)
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11:32<ixi>El_Presidente zero last 10 MB of hdd
11:32<ixi>for good measure
11:32<El_Presidente>what parameter to speciy last 10?
11:32<ixi>it's skip=..
11:32<ixi>has to be calculated
11:33<ixi>from size of hdd
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11:33<El_Presidente>I see
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11:39<El_Presidente>Many thanks for the help guys..
11:40<El_Presidente>I will see u later.. will rejoin once I get the new system up and running
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11:40<El_Presidente>good day :)
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11:44<zathras>probably El_Presidente was stugling with a Grub index. No idea though why it did not get wiped
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12:27<Marcellkaah>Anybody have experience with setting up a DNS service? i tried but with no luck :(
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12:28<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
12:28<Marcellkaah>its not that kind of question
12:29<Marcellkaah>Just nameserver not working
12:29<Marcellkaah>problem is that.
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12:29<retrospectacus>see <ask>, <smart questions> and <not working>
12:29<blast007>Marcellkaah: "not working" isn't very descriptive
12:30<Marcellkaah>i know
12:30<Marcellkaah>sorry but how to tell that nameserver is not working?
12:31<Destroyer21>Fuck you all bitchesss!!!!!!
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12:31<retrospectacus>Marcellkaah: with the dig command, or any of various other tools
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12:31<Marcellkaah>yes, i also did that
12:31<Marcellkaah>didnt responded any error
12:31<Marcellkaah>its just not working, i added A records and sat up everything, and i added domain
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12:32<Marcellkaah>but as soon as i open my domain in browser, it just offline
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12:32<retrospectacus>why don't you give us useful info like the actual domain, your commands and output, your config files...
12:32<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
12:32<Marcellkaah>i will gonna do
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12:36<Harish>hello gayes
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12:37<Marcellkaah>its here
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12:37<Marcellkaah>config file and every output
12:37<dualbus>hey, someone is spamming us in #debian-es. And there are no ops around, anyone can help?
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12:37<centrx>dualbus, #debian-ops
12:38<centrx>dualbus, #oftc
12:38<dualbus>centrx: thanks!
12:39<centrx>dualbus, Looks like someone is copying the entire history of the Internet in spanish
12:39<dualbus>centrx: yes
12:39<janou>dualbus: he was here too a few minutes ago
12:39<Marcellkaah>you made my day
12:40<gnumech>It's Destroyer21, who left here with a "Fuck you all bitchesss!!!!!!"
12:40<janou>yep ^^
12:40<Marcellkaah>he is an asshole
12:41<Marcellkaah>any idea, what could occur problem in my config files, why my ns service not working?
12:41<blast007>Marcellkaah: that name server is not responding. Is it actually running and are the necessary ports open?
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12:43<Marcellkaah>since i dont use any firewall, i know its big problem. but all ports ae open
12:44<Marcellkaah>of course bind9 is running
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12:50<HFSPLUS>jelly-home, nooo waaaa
12:50<HFSPLUS>jelly-home, ban me!
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12:51<Marcellkaah>jelly-home, op me lol
12:52<jelly-home>hehe, nice try!
12:52<Marcellkaah>@Blast any idea?
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12:52<Marcellkaah>thanks jelly
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12:57<Marcellkaah>bye guys
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12:57<blast007>Marcellkaah: I'm not familiar with bind. I'm just seeing that DNS server is not responding.
12:58<Marcellkaah>i see
12:58<Marcellkaah>thanks anyway
12:58<Marcellkaah>buy guys
12:58<Marcellkaah>jelly-home kick me pls
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12:58<jelly-home>Marcellkaah: no. Please behave like a human being.
12:59<Marcellkaah>seeya gauys
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12:59*compTECH its good to be back in here
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13:10<Maulkin>jqciianbd: How can we help?
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13:19<dotut>hello besides memtest86[+], is there a tool i can run on debian to measure memory bandwidth/throughput?
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13:23<ixi>dotut see sysbench package
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13:23<ixi>maybe it will suit you
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13:25<dotut>ixi: thanks! it looks like it may have what i want..will try it out now
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14:22<shadow>dotut: bonnie++ maybe
14:22<shadow>that's more i/o
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14:33<siducer379_>hi guys
14:33<siducer379_>how I can force a upgrade?
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14:34<shadow>upgrade from what to what else?
14:34<devil_>siducer379_: what are you trying to do?
14:34<devil_>siducer379_: and why force?
14:34<siducer379_>apt-get upgrade
14:34<devil_>siducer379_: why force?
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14:35<siducer379_>Die folgenden Pakete sind zurückgehalten worden:
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14:35<siducer379_>was the message
14:35<devil_>siducer379_: pastebin the whole output
14:35<devil_>siducer379_: ähm, you are in the wrong channel
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14:36<devil_>siducer379_: go to #siduction-de
14:36<devil_>this is #debian
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14:36<siducer379_>thanks cu
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14:51<MIchaelP>Does debian have a default desktop that gets more attention or they all get the same ?
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14:54<ArtooDetoo>MIchaelP: I don't think so.
14:55<ArtooDetoo>gnome is default though, I guess
14:55<MIchaelP>ohh ok
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15:02<MIchaelP>ArtooDetoo: says right on distrowatch... default desktop gnome...
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15:42<Jaleks>is there a way (how) to modify my keyboard, so that it can produce subset characters (for indices etc.)
15:43<theocrite>Jaleks: xmodmap?
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15:43<theocrite>(I'm not sure I understood the question, but if you want to modify the mapping that might be the answer)
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15:44<Jaleks>the pont is i do not even know how/ if a subset character can be set (like ³ ² ¹, but only at the bottom)
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15:48<theocrite>Jaleks: try xmodmap -pke | grep --color superior. If it's in your keymap you'll see it.
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15:50<theocrite>On my keyboard, ¹ is obtained with Altgr+M. xmodmap gives me "keycode 47 = m M m M onesuperior masculine onesuperior". If you want the same thing, do xmodmap -e "keycode 47 = m M m M onesuperior masculine onesuperior"
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15:50<theocrite>Or modify that at will.
15:50<Jaleks>theocrite: what still gives me the superset numbers ;-) but maybe thats a good starter; as i just realized, there are unicode characters for subscript, they somehow should be able to be generated
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15:52<Jaleks>thx, thats a good starter, i think
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16:05<Jaleks>xmodmap -e "keycode 10 = 1 exclam 1 exclam onesuperior U2081 exclamdown"
16:05<Jaleks>and friends work great, tyvm, theocrite
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16:34<WindowsVista>whats up
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16:36<shadow>"GENERAL PROTECTION FAULT in 0xDEADBEEF would you like to send your private details to Microsoft for analysis?"
16:36<shadow>something like this
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16:37<shadow>also, having equal failures with a Windows 7 install, and a Debian install, on the same hardware... only one of them I can do anything about
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16:38<WindowsVista>can debian use refs?
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16:39<shadow>WindowsVista: explain "refs"
16:39<WindowsVista>refs the new windows filesystem?
16:39<shadow>is it? I would have to research that
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16:40<shadow>where's the specification or whitepaper on how it works?
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16:42<shadow>would be more interested in a kernel mode driver of Btrfs for win32
16:43<WindowsVista>its a closed down fielsystem
16:43<shadow>WindowsVista: if you're up for the challenge, I would suggest implementing ReFS as a FUSE (user-space) filesystem driver
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16:44<shadow>though from a 10 second overview of researching what is ReFS, I am guessing that it is an answer in search of a problem
16:44<shadow>if you have to do data recovery from an ReFS then you're stuck already because there are no recovery tools from the vendor
16:45<shadow>alternatively you could try working with the ReactOS team to make a ReFS driver working in ReactOS
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17:08<dotut>hello for sysbench any idea on what "threads fairness" means in the performance results?
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17:11<ArtooDetoo>possibly how "fair" the cpu scheduler gives computation time to threads
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17:12<iobound>anyone else getting lots of cron errors about sed invalid option z after the recent php5 update?
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17:13<dotut>ArtooDetoo: so one deb system i see events (avg/stddev): 2500.0000/1.58 while on another I see 2500.00/114.79
17:14<iobound>/usr/lib/php5/sessionclean uses "sed -zne" but -z is not a valid option?
17:14<ArtooDetoo>dotut: the first one seems more fair to me, if I interpret that correctly ...
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17:15<dotut>ArtooDetoo: thanks yeah thats what i thought as well and it definitely shows...but regarding what the numbers mean, is it a sysbench specific computation or are there units to this number?
17:15<ArtooDetoo>iobound: man sed says, it is
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17:16<iobound>artoodetoo: which sed do you have? i have sed 4.2.1 in debian stable and i don't see any -z in the man page
17:16<ArtooDetoo>iobound: 4.2.2 in testing
17:17<iobound>-z was added in 4.2.2, it's a shame the php5 package in stable uses that option since stable ships with 4.2.1..
17:17<ArtooDetoo>yes ...
17:18<ArtooDetoo>just updated php on my (stable) server 5 minutes ago :-/
17:18<iobound>ugh 2x email every hour for every server, this is going to be a busy night
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17:24<ArtooDetoo>dotut: the numbers are for the "events", right?
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17:29<ArtooDetoo>maybe the benchmark starts (in your case i guess 4) threads with the same computational instructions and terminates them after a specific number (10.000) as the sum of all threads' executions is reached. After that it looks which thread contributed which number of executions.
17:29<ArtooDetoo>but that is just a guess...
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17:35<dotut>ArtooDetoo: Thanks...that page doesn't say much. looking into source code to get more info
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17:58<mcfrisk>uhm, how to fix mount of external USB disk with luks encryption and lvm. Stepped on cable and now mounting lv says "can't read superblock". Disk partition changed when I plugged it in again, from sdb1 to sdc1.
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18:00<shadow>mcfrisk: good luck
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18:04<clopez>mcfrisk: you have to force an unmount, and then remove the old dm mapper devices from the kernel list, after that you can attach again the disk
18:04<clopez>usually rebooting is quicker/easier
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18:05<mcfrisk>phuuf, luckily had to just remove the old cryptsetup mount using dmsetup remove, then the old disk was cleanly gone, and some minor writes were lost.
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18:05<mcfrisk>and then remount using cryptsetup to luksOpen and vgchange -ay and mount works, no lost data thus far :/
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18:06<mcfrisk>thanks clopez, figured the same thing with some random googling :)
18:06<clopez>np :)
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18:09<shadow>I'll never use LVM again if I can help it ; good bit of code, but I had so many problems with it in practical use
18:09<shadow>fishing an LVM header out of a hex editor one too many times
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19:30<pasky_>I tried to phrase as well as I could; feel free to upvote if you'd like that as coverage of the GR :)
19:30<pasky_>(to give myself at least some justifications for the many hours spent reading debian mailinglists lately)
19:31<f-a_> prompting some prominent developers to resign or leave altogether, stirring strong emotions
19:32<f-a_>^-- some of them say (or don't say) it is not 100% related though
19:32<f-a_>but of course it is a minor point
19:32<f-a_>and the post still stands
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19:33<shadow>pasky_: not bad.
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19:36<shadow>upvoted. Also, I should make it plain, that the importance of posting anything to /. (which I do read daily out of habit) is... lost on me. Glad you find it interesting, thanks for contributing, and then, there's not any obvious flaw with your story submission.
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19:39<SeanChiarot>Wondering if someone could gimme a hand diagnosing why Exim4 won't send through a mail relay server; I've got all the correct info, the error that keeps popping up in mainlog is that the connection to my relay server has timed out...
19:41<shadow>SeanChiarot: wireshark?
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19:45<pasky_>shadow: thanks! well, i guess i'm bit oldfashioned for still following /. regularly, but i think a lot of other people do too, so this might be useful; thanks, and good night from me
19:46<canaima>Buenas noches
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21:16<medicalwei>I'd like to have an explanation of the recent init GR.
21:17<medicalwei>Does it mean that binding a init system to a package can be required and not required in Debian project?
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21:22<f-a>medicalwei: the result was -> General Resolution is not required
21:23<medicalwei>f-a: my question is why it is not required...?
21:23<f-a>so I guess it will be dealt with at package level (or escalated where necessary)
21:24<f-a>well, the Developers voting choosed that option. They don't feel a binding resolution was required.
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21:24<f-a>Did I answer you?
21:24<medicalwei>So it is up to the developer or sub-project (if that exists) to bind a init.
21:25<f-a>packets, yeah. Of course, there is a CTTE decision onthe init system for jessie (by the CTTE)
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21:26<f-a>and it's not that people will go crazy
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21:26<f-a>they will try to work together and if problem will arise (now or in the future), they will ask to decide via the usual channels
21:26<f-a>(ctte, gr)
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21:27<medicalwei>Also, binding a init system might destroy kFreeBSD if I am aware...
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21:29<f-a>I don't know much on that matter medicalwei , can't answer you
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21:31<f-a>but no, no jessie for kfreebsd
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21:41<somiaj>I am unsure what you mean by binding an init system to a package medicalwei. Debian is going to provide the option to use systemd or sysvinit in jessie. kfreebsd has some quality issues and will only be an unoffical port with jessie
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21:43<medicalwei>somiaj: my question is about the recent GR that is discussing if a package should/shouldn't/can require an init system. And the result is that the general resolution is not needed.
21:44<medicalwei>I am wondering why it comes out.
21:44<dondelelcaro>medicalwei: basically, it means that someone can depend on a specific init system, since there isn't any policy forcing them to do so
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21:45<dondelelcaro>but they'll probably incorporate patches which allow multiple init systems if they exist anyway, because that's a nice thing to do
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21:46<Kbyte>medicalwei: the init isn't the real problem. You have to blame upstreams not Debian if a software (e.g. Gnome) is binded to a specific init :P
21:47<medicalwei>So there's no difference between another option that "can" require an init system in technical meaning, but politically it is consuming every DD's time.
21:47<centrx>There's no medical difference
21:47*medicalwei points at himself.
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21:48<dondelelcaro>medicalwei: there's a slight difference, because it means that the normal decision proceses in Debian can figure this all out for themselves
21:48<Kbyte>medicalwei: I think that this debate consuming every DD's time, not the use of a specific init
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23:13<indivar>how are u
23:14<indivar>can u help me
23:14<cyberfoo>I'm fine
23:14<indivar>can you tell me how to use ope ssh server
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23:19<cyberfoo>what exactly do you need to know? general overview?
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23:22<indivar>i have installed it but dont know how to login in remote server
23:23<indivar>using terminal
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23:26<cyberfoo>Here's an example:
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23:28<cyberfoo>On your ssh server you should check the troubleshooting section of this page,
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