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00:02<RayzrShrp>so how can i leverage journalctl to show failed login attempts?
00:02<RayzrShrp>just grep for it?
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00:29<shadows>RayzrShrp: gnome-logs is an easy to use abstraction
00:29<RayzrShrp>im not running a WM
00:29<shadows>as was pointed out to me you might want to add your user to the group systemd-journal
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00:30<RayzrShrp>how do i add me to that group?
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00:31<shadows>easy way I know how is use 'adduser' feature
00:31<shadows>adduser yourusername grouptoadd
00:31<shadows>historically it's worth mention that adduser != useradd
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00:32<shadows>in my case that's: adduser shadows systemd-journal
00:32<shadows>followed by logout/login to get a new environment
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00:39<RayzrShrp>got it thanks
00:40<RayzrShrp>usermod -a -G username group
00:40<RayzrShrp>er thats backwars
00:40<RayzrShrp>group then username
00:40<shadows>ah, yes
00:40<shadows>you may want to read the man page for systemd.journal-fields
00:40<shadows>it's how you "talk" to journalctl
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00:41<shadows>more specifically you'll see SYSLOG_FACILITY documented there
00:41<shadows>journalctl SYSLOG_FACILITY=10 #to see login attempts
00:42<RayzrShrp>so i removed ufw and now sudo systemctl is complaining about it not being there
00:42<shadows>for the record I think the names of systemd userland tools are cumbersome, but I'm at a loss to suggest a better name for any of it
00:42<phillipsjk>looks like I have another audio daemon to try removing in troubleshooting my sound: "*XVD is no longer maintained*"
00:42<shadows>RayzrShrp: "removed" how? rm -f ?
00:43<RayzrShrp>no like systemctl lists all the stuff sytemd is running but since i removed ufw it says its not found
00:43<RayzrShrp>the unti
00:43<RayzrShrp>er unit
00:46<RayzrShrp>hmm mine sees to be syslog_facility 4
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00:48<phillipsjk>...did not help.
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00:59<sunbird>one issue i'm having with my jessie install is that i do not have a notifications area. i'm using gnome3. it was there before in wheezy... i've poked around in dconf-editor but can't seem to find out where it went.
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01:30<shadows>sunbird: ?
01:30<shadows>sunbird: icon tray, or notification area?
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01:30<shadows>notification area is uncovered by swiping down on bottom edge of screen by default
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01:33<sunbird>shadows: hi. i have two displays. normally, when i put the mouse in the upper-left, i see a tray at the bottom of the primary screen with various icons for running applications.
01:33<sunbird>when i do that now, nothing is there.
01:33<sunbird>the icon tray on the left side is there and works fine.
01:33<sunbird>as is the battery, volume, wifi stuff in the upper right.
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01:42<shadows>try "gnome-tweak-tool"
01:42<shadows>it's not a good answer but I think if you try that tool you will find the answer faster
01:44<sunbird>shadows: thanks! i'll give that a try.
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01:49<dfna>I upgraded to jessie , but my booting doesnt show the regular debian bootup stuffs [.ok.] etc
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02:01<RayzrShrp>ok strange question
02:02<RayzrShrp>im logging iptables to the journal
02:02<RayzrShrp>but can i remove the mac out of the logging?
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02:03<sunbird>shadows: that did it. thanks.
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02:07<dfna>there are 6 linux image in my grub, how to delete all except currently working image set
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02:20<sunbird>dfna: i always just remove them manually.
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02:24<daniele12457>shy sudo rm -rf / messed up my pc
02:25<daniele12457>i was following a tutorial about how to install something
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02:26<Guest3574>daniele12457: it's like smoking a cigarette while using gasoline
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02:27<daniele12457>shadows, why this would happen
02:28<daniele12457>I just wanted to install redtube app in ubuntu
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02:29<shadows>troll or new person, I don't know
02:29<shadows>either way so many feels.
02:29<shadows>daniele12457: would you cut off your own fingers with a knife? or maybe, stop a minute and think, this is wrong.
02:30<shadows>don't 'sudo' because someone else tells you to.
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02:30<daniele12457>shadows, i was just dikking dude :) have a nice day
02:32<shadows>daniele12457: if you want some work to do, there's a lot of debian packages that need review :)
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02:32<shadows>you can learn something and be a good person
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02:32<daniele12457>how can i review a package?
02:33<shadows>see and pick a package that is interesting
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02:34<shadows>a smart person can learn about this and help, but most smart people are very busy
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02:34<shadows>you seem smart, and you have extra time
02:35<daniele12457>are you doing too?
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02:35<shadows>yes, I am packaging 'audiotools'
02:38<shadows>I store my music on backup like hard drives and flash memory, but this is not easy to listen to
02:38<shadows>using audiotools is easy to take all music and encode with Opus format into small files on my music player
02:39<daniele12457>i will take a look at the parser, i like the compiler part
02:40<daniele12457>did you wrote the bison code?
02:40<shadows>no, never
02:40<shadows>when I was 10 or 12 years old, that was a long time ago... I would write computer viruses
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02:40<shadows>there is some similar code like a parser there
02:43<dfna>When I open mouse and touch pad from systerm settings, i only see option for mouse ,, not seeing touchpad, ( using laptop,
02:43<dfna>desktop:gnome,, ... help pls,,
02:44<dfna>Is this about missing the driver
02:49<shadows>dfna: same thing seen here
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02:50<dfna> you fixed ?
02:50<shadows>dfna: what laptop?
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02:50<shadows>gnome developers don't know every type of laptop, some are new and will need users to file a bug and provide information
02:51<shadows>I don't know the answer but I think you would either find an existing bug report or file a new one
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02:53<dfna>shadows: I was able to find it (touchpad) ,When i am root
02:53<dfna>shaows: jessie or wheezy?
02:54<shadows>I'm using jessie now, touchpad settings are here
02:54<shadows>but on a Thinkpad laptop at work, the settings are missing sometimes
02:56<dfna>any bugs reported about it ?
02:56<shadows>only a few, and resolved now
02:56<shadows>much to do with the trackpad protocol being autodetected the wrong one
02:56<shadows>so it's between kernel driver (psmouse?) and gnome
02:57<dfna>shadows: I upgraded to jessie from gnome-terminal, will it be the problem ?
02:57<shadows>I don't think so
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02:58<shadows>you can try a fresh jessie install, if you have a way to do that... I mean extra storage device to try that, not to write over your computer
02:58<dfna>I also created another user , still no touchpad-tap, -
02:58<shadows>smart to try that
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02:59<twb>I just realized jessie questions don't go to -next anymore :P
02:59<shadows>twb: it's okay you can relax your bottom now when people say jessie
03:00<twb>Doing an upgrade of jessie, it's removing libsystemd-daemon0 libsystemd-journal0 libsystemd-login0 because they're no longer PreDepends of systemd
03:00<twb>Should I be worried?
03:00<twb>I don't really know what would/should use those
03:00<shadows>twb: only if you pull the power out while it is upgrading ;)
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03:01<dfna>shadows: Touchpad-tap works when i am root ,so it cant be of driver problems..
03:01<shadows>"when I am root" you are running X as root?
03:01<twb>Huh wget now pulls in 30MB of libicu (unicode)
03:01<dfna>shadows: yep
03:02<shadows>I am lost why people run X as root
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03:02<shadows>first user I disable is root :)
03:03<dfna>I enabled it long time before, i dont know why,,
03:03<shadows>twb: wild guess that maybe it is removing libsystemd-login0 for an install of say libsystemd-login0:$(arch)
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03:03<shadows>the words given to user about this are not very clear
03:03<twb>shadows: I don't *think* so
03:04<twb>If I brick this VM I'll just reprovision it; it's basically just there to run debootstrap over and over in a tmpfs
03:04<dfna>shadows :worst problem, i cant open gnome-terminal,,
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03:06<elanw_>百合,谢谢,pyxmpp2 我再慢慢啃啃。python里想把 '\xe4\xbd\xa0\xe5\xa5\xbd' 处理成 'E4BDA0E5A5BD'怎么做呢?
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03:08<elanw_>sory, i sent message here by misstaken.
03:09<shadows>my IRC client made a mess of that
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03:12<twb>Bleh I'm killing the VM server's I/O (which was already sick)
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03:21<twb>shadows: yeah libsystemd0 is the only libsystemd* package I have installed now
03:22<twb>They're in Section: oldlibs, so maybe that's not terrible after all
03:22<twb>(I only just noticed that)
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03:27<twb>FTR it rebooted happily.
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04:00<jamesmc>I'm having a problem with jessie with systemd where NFS filesystems in fstab aren't being mounted because it hasn't started the portmapper yet
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04:01<jamesmc>I found but it doesn't have any resolution for the issues, which just 'went away' for some of the reporters
04:01<jamesmc>Any ideas?
04:02<twb>jamesmc: I know how to fix it in upstart, but not systemd
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04:02<jamesmc>I had a quick look. It's pretty scary in there!
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04:02<jamesmc>I might just switch the relevant boxes back to sysvinit for the time being
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04:03<twb>jamesmc: are you booting off nfs or just /srv or something
04:03<jamesmc>It's /home that's being mounted
04:04<twb>OK so I'm still all alone :-(
04:04<jamesmc>nfs.server:/export/home /home nfs vers=3,hard,intr 0 0
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04:06<twb>jamesmc: in sysvinit there's separate mount phases for "local" and "network" filesystems -- does systemd have something like that?
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04:07<twb>That's odd. I see /lib/systemd/system/mountnfs.service -> /dev/null by default
04:07<jamesmc>It does, but I suspect there's a dependency missing or incorrect, because it tries to mount remote filesystems before starting the RPC port mapper
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04:08<jamesmc>Which NFS is not pleased about, obviously
04:08<twb>There's a thing you can use to ask systemctl about dependencies
04:08<twb>Like, ask it what *it* thinks the deps are
04:08<jamesmc>I'll dig into it. I've just really never used systemd yet and was hoping there might be a known quick fix
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04:09<twb>I can't see any /lib/systemd bits in nfs-common package, which is (was?) the NFS client package.
04:09<peter1138>So I should update all my production systems without testing? :D
04:10<twb>jamesmc: it has a sysvinit job tho, and systemd has <scary magic> to automatically turn those into systemd jobs
04:10<twb>jamesmc: try looking for magic jobs in /run ?
04:10<jamesmc>Yay, magic! :)
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04:11<twb>nfs-common 1%3a1.2.8-9 /etc/init.d/nfs-common has a Required-Start: $portmap, so my first guess is the magician doesn't understand that variable?
04:11<twb>jamesmc: find /run/ -xdev -name '*nfs*' -ls ?
04:12<twb>I know /etc/init.d/nfs-common under sysvinit also had <horrible magic> to decide which daemons to start, based on whether it thought you needed NFSv3 or NFSv4
04:13<twb>If this is a new system and you didn't have sysvinit NFS working before, you might try hard-coding the correct settings in /etc/default/nfs-common
04:13<twb>Which in your case (vers=3) would be NEED_STATD=yes NEED_IDMAPD=no NEED_GSSD=no
04:13<jamesmc>The job it uses (which fails) is /lib/systemd/system/
04:14<jamesmc>Nah, this machine goes back to squeeze
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04:14<twb>Hm, OK, that says it's documented in systemd.special(7)
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04:15<twb>Which says it automatically creates instances with systemd-fstab-generator
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04:16<twb>So try looking in /run for something like @home ?
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04:16<twb>Er, home.mount, looks like
04:17<twb>e.g. I have /run/systemd/generator/var-cache-apt-archives.mount
04:17<twb>I don't know the right way to convince it to add a portmapper dep, tho
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04:25<jamesmc>Aha, yes, it has generated a home.mount
04:25<jamesmc>This is pretty interesting
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04:26<twb>it can't be worse than mountall(8ubuntu)
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05:04<kblin>morning folks
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05:11<Maxow>Hi, I am trying to set up hugepages on my server running Debian 7 but there is no mention of them on /proc/meminfo
05:11<Maxow> is it normal ?
05:11<kblin>if I wanted to set up a multi-site-capable distributed file system that supports debian as a first-class citizen, which one would you recommend?
05:12<kblin>the lustre documentation is like "we support distros from multiple vendors: RHEL5 and RHEL6"
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05:14<SynrG>kblin: while i can't answer that specific question, any corporate entity that pays to go through a certification process for third party software can gain "supported" status in that fashion. this means debian can often be left off such lists. that being said, debian tends to provide excellent support for all software included within the distribution.
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05:16<kblin>SynrG: yeah, I'm not fazed by official certifications. it's just that if you tout "multiple vendors" in your docs, and then just list two vesions from a single vendor, my trust in your multi-vendor support suffers
05:16<SynrG>it appears lustre is not in debian, however. i don't know why.
05:16*SynrG nods
05:16<kblin>it also reminds me of the blues brothers movie. "We've got both kinds of music: country _and_ western"
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05:17<kblin>lustre seems to require some kernel patches if you're not running it on zfs
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05:17<Maxow234>Anybody can help me with my hugepages issue ?
05:18<kblin>so far I've stumbled over BeeGFS and Ceph, was mainly wondering if I missed anything else
05:18<SynrG>Maxow234: i don't know anything about it. is any help?
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05:19<SynrG>kblin: openafs?
05:20<Maxow234>SynrG according to your link, grep Huge /proc/meminfo should output someting but my issue is that it doesn't
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05:20<SynrG>"Most current CPU architectures"
05:20<SynrG>i guess yours isn't one of those?
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05:22<Maxow234>Seems weird to me since my CPU is really mainstream (Intel Xeon E3 1245v2)
05:23<Vitalis_B>hello world
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05:23<musca>Maxow234: i think the virtual filesystem is created as soon as an application starts to request hugepages
05:24<Vitalis_B>having problems with insatlling gns3
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05:24<Maxow234>so if I start my application with a flag requesting hugepages they will be managed automatically musca ?
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05:25<musca>i tried it some time ago (with qemu?, i think)
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05:27<SynrG>also, because you asked about your processor, i did a bit of googling, and found a blog article wherein the author uses an e3-1230 v2, so surely the similar 1245 also supports it
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05:29<SynrG>Maxow234: it shows the two different grep commands and indicates that processor has the 2MB pages but not the 1GB pages
05:31<Maxow234>I'll look at it thanks
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05:39<kblin>SynrG: I'll have a look
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06:03<DrZaius>hi... hibernation stopped working for me quite a while ago... my swap partition is in lvm and i can see it being discovered and mounted after saying "kernel: PM: Hibernation image not present or could not be loaded." in the logs
06:03<DrZaius>how can i fix this?
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06:12<bjoern>hey folks, i am installing debian 8 alongside windows 8.1 (dual boot) and have now come to the question of installing grub. i am not shure if i should do this because it was only possible to start the debian-installer after going from uefi mode to legacy mode. i wonder if installing grub will make my laptop unbootable. can you help?
06:13<DrZaius>bjoern: its been long time since i dualboot, but installing grub shouldnt make your system unbootable
06:14<musca>DrZaius: does it interfere with UEFI?
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06:14<DrZaius>keep a livecd at hand to fix if needed (but this advice is always true)
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06:15<DrZaius>musca: last installation i made was wheezy... it created a bunch of uefi partitions that i no longer understand, but it worked without me doing much
06:16<DrZaius>not sure what mode im booting up now... uefi i think
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06:16<bjoern>DrZaius: okay, so it's possible to start debian in uefi mode?
06:17<bjoern>isn't grub2 the wrong package then? what about grub-efi?
06:17<DrZaius>mmm, i think so... but i also think that is motherboard denpendad... meaning that it might not always work
06:17<musca>bjoern: i think it is desireable to boot both systems by the same method either UEFI or legacy. Changing the metod for windows isn't as easy as changing the method for linux.
06:17<DrZaius>i only have installed grub-efi
06:18<DrZaius>so it must be working for me (tm)
06:18<bjoern>hm, so i shouldn't have used legacy mode in the first place?
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06:19<DrZaius>if it boots both now, i wouldnt bother... there is nothing in uefi booting that you are looking for
06:19<DrZaius>its one of those things that adds complexity and change without much benefit... since we are not doing secure boot and such
06:19<musca>DrZaius: what about "not breaking the existing windows install"?
06:20<bjoern>debian-installer tells me it didn't find another os - so that would mean in legacy mode i can only start debian and in uefi mode only windows? or could this break windows?
06:21<DrZaius>not sure if uefi is a hard dependency on the new windows
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06:21<DrZaius>do you know if it is?
06:21<bjoern>afaik i cannot start windows in legacy mode
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06:21<musca>"designed for windows logo" requires OEMs to preinstall in UEFI mode.
06:22<DrZaius>if windows *needs* it, try it... debian will probably will with it as well
06:22<dpkg>Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>.
06:22<DrZaius>i think im running it right now
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06:24<musca>bjoern: how did you create your boot media?
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06:26<bjoern>musca: by using "cp debian....iso /dev/sdX"
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06:26<DrZaius>not even dd? does that... does that work?
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06:26<musca>perfectly :)
06:27<duclicsic>block devices and files look the same to cp
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06:28<DrZaius>duclicsic: TIL
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06:29<DrZaius>although... everything being files... okay block devices
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06:31<ThomasKeller>I have installed jessie (minimal install)
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06:31<ThomasKeller>I have installed "sysvinit-core" during installation (using preseeding late_command)
06:32<ThomasKeller>after first boot I have purged systemd
06:32<ThomasKeller>and now I have what looks like a completly "systemd-free" Debian
06:32<ThomasKeller>I did not expect getting rid of systemd would be so easy
06:32<ThomasKeller>did I miss something ?
06:32<TobiX>ThomasKeller: Why shouldn't it be?
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06:32<musca>yes, you will miss policykit-1
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06:33<ThomasKeller>I though, systemd is too much integrated to be removed
06:33<TobiX>ThomasKeller: Maybe you read too many blogs that claimed removing it from Debian was hard?
06:33<znalo>lots of hype about that
06:33<ThomasKeller>also, i though udev and rsyslog do not exist anymore (replaced by systemd)
06:33<bjoern>musca, DrZaius: hm, well, so if grub2 doesn't make my laptop unbootable i don't have much to lose (only time). i will try that out and after that maybe try to change to grub-efi. this might help although it covers ubuntu not debian:
06:33<DrZaius>and hibernation broken... somehow :/
06:33<TobiX>ThomasKeller: udev is part of the systemd project and built from the same source, systemd does not replace syslog
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06:34<ThomasKeller>TobiX: but udev does not depend on systemd
06:34<DrZaius>bjoern: just keep a spare live cd around to fix whatever and you should be fine
06:34<TobiX>bjoern: Getting from a legacy-booting Debian to a EFI-booting Debian works, but is kinda tricky. Booting from a CD (in EFI mode) often helps
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06:35<DrZaius>i dont dualboot, so im maybe not the best person to ask about that tho :(
06:35<TobiX>ThomasKeller: Why should it?
06:35<musca>yes, the systemd-journal and rsyslogd do coexist just fine.
06:35<TobiX>udev is "just" a service. It can run under any init
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06:36<DrZaius>yeah... this isnt the release where you can't remove systemd... maybe next one
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06:36<bjoern>TobiX: yes, but booting from usb in uefi mode doesn't seem possible - tried that
06:37<bjoern>TobiX: do you know any howto for getting from legacy to uefi?
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06:38<musca>bjoern: some mainboards recognize your UEFI boot media only when pressing ESC
06:39<musca>like Asus S550ca
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06:40<bjoern>TobiX: maybe this will work:
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06:41<bjoern>the thing is that debian install manual gives no usable hint how to deal with uefi. it only raises questions, but does not give solutions:
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06:51<qufmal>Hi guys, I'm trying to connect to a wpa wifi from command line following the debian wikia howto but I still cant ping. I have the firmware and the operations went on flawlessy
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06:56<DrZaius>qufmal: have you tried the new nmcli? nmcli device wifi list
06:56<DrZaius>its pretty neat
06:57<DrZaius>qufmal: our wiki is not very reliable im afraid :S
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06:58<qufmal>DrZaius: I don't have nmcli
06:58<DrZaius>it comes with network-manager
06:59<qufmal>DrZaius: No network manager neither, is a fresh installation. I can download the package from this pc and install them manually.
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07:01<DrZaius>not sure how many dependences will network-manager bring
07:01<DrZaius>probably even the X server
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07:02<qufmal>I'm looking at the package details right now: a lot of dependences. Do you know of a way to do without?
07:02<DrZaius>its probably easier to install from a full cd instead of the net-install if you dont have an ethernet connection
07:03<DrZaius>there was another ncurses cli tool for wifi stuff
07:04<qufmal>Well, I'll play around a bit before reinstalling the OS
07:04<DrZaius>dependencies are much more reasonable
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07:05<DrZaius>i have used wpa_supplicant in the past... but nowadays i dont really bother :/
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07:06<DrZaius>apt-get install wicd-ncurses --print-uris
07:07<DrZaius>download those packages from those urls and try
07:07<DrZaius>(theres probably also some easier way than print-uris to download dependencies offline... but thats the one i know)
07:08<qufmal>DrZaius: thanks, I'll try now
07:09<DrZaius>and coming to my issue :) does anybody can help me with my hibernation problem?
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07:10<DrZaius>can anybody help* damn, my grammar!
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07:11<qufmal>What is the problem (I don't think I can help, just curious)?
07:11<DrZaius>well, hibernation stopped working basically
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07:12<DrZaius>i think is because the swap partition is discovered later on boot... and so it cant find the image... but i dont know much how this works
07:13<DrZaius>there is no clear error message... and im just guessing what is happening looking at the logs
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07:19<DrZaius>if only systemd could take over the whole hibernation process to give me a proper diagnose instead of bunch of circunstances, that i must know, that must be satisfied all separately >:)
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07:39<TobiX>qufmal: apt-offline exists for the times where your Debian system has no network
07:41<qufmal>man apt-offline
07:41<qufmal>ops, wrong window
07:41<qufmal>TobiX: thanks, I'll look into that now. Even thoug I'd like to connect to wifi without having to install additional packages
07:43<TobiX>bjoern: I did go from legacy to UEFI, but it was much trial and error, so I don't have a straightforward answer either. Having rEFInd installed somewhere relly helps... (Maybe boot rEFInd from CD, let it chainload your Linux kernel from /boot and if that worked you can install grub-efi)
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07:46<TobiX>DrZaius: Maybe you have some legacy hibernate tools installed that mess with systemd?
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07:49<DrZaius>TobiX: yeah... maybe... i purged pm-utils an hour ago... but still not working :/
07:50<DrZaius>my hunch tells me that i have to tell sysmted somehow that it needs to look for lvm partitions before trying to hibernate
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07:51<DrZaius>but who knows :/
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07:52<TobiX>DrZaius: So your swap is on LVM? Anything else "unusal"? Crypto? EFI/BIOS?
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07:53<DrZaius>well, im using efi i think
07:54<DrZaius>is there something resembling a configuration file for hibernation in systemd?
07:54<TobiX>DrZaius: "You think"? Does "sudo efibootmgr" work?
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07:55<DrZaius>that command spurs some output, yes
07:55<TobiX>OK, so your system is booted with EFI in EFI-mode...
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07:56<TobiX>DrZaius: Well, most stuff in systemd should autodetect the "common" configuration and "just work" - So I don't know if there is a special hibernation config...
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07:57<DrZaius>just brainstorming :)
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07:57<DrZaius>im trying to remove any specific configuration so "it just works"(tm)
07:58<DrZaius>I wish I had noted what day it started failing... so I can at least inspect what was installed that day
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07:58<DrZaius>but since hibernation fails sometimes because of reasons i didnt pay attention
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07:59<DrZaius>but its been failing consistenly for at least a couple of months now
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08:08<shadows>hibernate to swap on LVM... when has that ever worked?
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08:10<petn-randall>shadows: Since wheezy or squeeze, I've been using it for quite a while.
08:11<DrZaius>yeah it was working..
08:12<DrZaius>and just to add more data, i tried to use a file under / as well
08:13<DrZaius>but / is under lvm... and i see in the logs that initializing lvm happens after failing to load hibernation image
08:14<DrZaius>i have etckeeper installed... im grepping the past under /etc... maybe i figure it out something
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08:16<petn-randall>DrZaius: I've got swap on LVM, and LVM on top of dmcrypt. So I have to unlock the PV before resume, but it works fine. First culprit I'd check is if /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume contains the correct swap filename or UUID.
08:17<DrZaius>petn-randall: yup
08:17<DrZaius>blkid: /dev/mapper/tachikoma-swapfast: UUID="5bf865ae-560e-4e61-bf48-5f26cf824e97" TYPE="swap"
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08:18<petn-randall>DrZaius: So your system just boots through?
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08:19<DrZaius>this is the only reference i can find on the boot log: "PM: Hibernation image not present or could not be loaded."
08:20<petn-randall>DrZaius: You only have one swap on the system, right?
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08:21<DrZaius>swapon: /dev/dm-6 partition 16G 0B -1
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08:21<petn-randall>DrZaius: root is on LVM, too?
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08:22<petn-randall>DrZaius: No idea then, other than tinkering with the debug output until something pops out.
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08:23<DrZaius>and this are the last lines of my hibernation
08:23<DrZaius>in the screen i can see % going up to 100 and everything seems okay :(
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08:25<Brigo>DrZaius, but / is under lvm... and i see in the logs that initializing lvm happens after failing to load hibernation image
08:25<Brigo>if lvm initializing happens after failing load hibernation image then that is the why
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08:26<Brigo>system search for the image outside lvm and then fails and initialices lvm
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08:28<Kiranos>Hi as posted above, why doesnt debian8 (jessie) set /etc/machine-id as symlink to /var/lib/dbus/machine-id ?
08:28<Kiranos>as it is now these files can missmatch
08:28<DrZaius>Brigo: yeah... thats my hunch too, but i dont know how to fix it :(
08:29<Brigo>DrZaius, I would like to know why they search for hibernation images before mounting (all) partitions
08:30<DrZaius>Brigo: i would like to know that too :)
08:30<DrZaius>where should we start?
08:30<Brigo>finding the systemd unit who looks for hibernation images, i think.
08:31<DrZaius>i dont really want to start messing with targets in the boot process... mainle because i barely know how it should go... but if it has come down to that
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08:31<DrZaius>its not even under /etc :/
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08:33<DrZaius>it only requires i think this service is to go to sleep, not to wake up
08:33<themill>default config never is -- you override it in /etc
08:33<Brigo>DrZaius, i am wrong that service is responsible of hibernating the system, not from loading the image.
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08:34<petn-randall>Resuming should have from within your initramfs, that's well before PID1 is started.
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08:34<DrZaius>okay, i just updated-initeramfs -u maybe i havent run this in 2 months because of the freeze
08:34<Brigo>abr 28 18:31:20 Brigo kernel: PM: Looking for hibernation image.
08:35<DrZaius>its worth a try
08:35<Brigo>is it doing by the kernel itself?
08:35<Brigo>and there is no systemd in initramfs, yet.
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08:41<DrZaius>nah... it didnt work good damned
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08:43<DrZaius>so maybe the kernel is the problem?
08:43<DrZaius>mmm how sysv make it to work under lvm then?
08:45<Brigo>DrZaius, no idea if the kenel is the problem really.
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08:46<DrZaius>mmm i have some ACPI Error: [DSSP] Namespace lookup failure, AE_NOT_FOUND
08:46<DrZaius>acpi... lets dig into those
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08:50<DrZaius>im devoting a whole morning into this and i will probably not make it work :(
08:51<DrZaius>and the worst part is that it used to work
08:52<DrZaius>maybe i have to move into testing again
08:52<DrZaius>i planned to stay in jessie for a while :/
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08:55<Brigo>DrZaius, you can try asking debian-systemd
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08:56<DrZaius>thanks Brigo! will try
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08:57<Brigo>DrZaius, good luck :)
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09:07<DrZaius>no words from #debian-systemd but i found this in a changelog of lvm2: Avoid using UUID for swap partitions stored at LVM.
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09:12<DrZaius>just for anyone wondering... it worked!
09:13<DrZaius>from bug ##568877 apparently you cant use UUID in the resume file, you have to specify /dev/mapper/vg-lv if you are using lvm
09:14<DrZaius>thanks Brigo! and the rest that contributed!! :D
09:14<Brigo>DrZaius, yw :)
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09:53<zathras>when running a ruby-on-rails app using libapache2-mod-passenger I see stderr in apache's log a complaint about not being able to access /usr/bin/passenger-config which is correct as that file is not on the system. However this still seems wrong and the app does not work as expected
09:54<zathras>most likely a path issue as I can launch it correctly from the commandline
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10:03<EmleyMoor>I want to use x2vnc or x2x or something similar. I set up x11vnc on the "remote" machine but the process kept turning zombie and spawning a new one. Can someone advise me? This is on jessie.
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10:26<EmleyMoor>On jessie, where are the settings for vino?
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10:36<belkacem>how are you
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10:39<EmleyMoor>(does nobody know how to get vino working on jessie?)
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10:43<zathras>EmleyMoor, it would help if you would describe your problem and what you already tried to fix it
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10:43<blast007>EmleyMoor: does the README cover anything useful? /usr/share/doc/vino/README
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10:45<EmleyMoor>zathras: Just plain didn't find the expected "Desktop Sharing" icon
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10:46<EmleyMoor>README is on how to build it
10:46<zathras>EmleyMoor, did you try to let gnome find vino?
10:47<EmleyMoor>... did I what?
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10:47<EmleyMoor>Not familiar with letting it find
10:48<zathras>iirc in gnome3 the most used apps & apps pinned show up at the lefthandside. but it also allows you to search for other apps and files
10:48<zathras>once you type 'vino' and it finds it you can pin the icon
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10:49<EmleyMoor>Fails at "and it finds it" anyway
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10:52<EmleyMoor>Anyway, it's in Settings under Sharing, it turns out
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10:56<EmleyMoor>Unfortunately wheezy's clients are too old
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10:56<Brigo>EmleyMoor, did you try backports?
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10:57<EmleyMoor>Brigo: Not worth the effort for the next few days
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10:57<EmleyMoor>Is the Skype package for wheezy also OK for jessie?
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10:58<Brigo>EmleyMoor, don't know but i have skype installed in jessie, i don't remember from where.
10:59<zathras>same here
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11:04-!-Yst is "Yst" on #nottor #tor #oftc #moocows #android-os #notnotnotnotnottor #guardianproject @#Libreboot #debian # @#Replicant #debian-offtopic #freedombox
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11:06<schoppenhauer>hello. I have a question about "needrestart": do I have to run it manually or is it run automatically after I upgrade?
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11:09<Brigo>schoppenhauer, what is needrestasrt?
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11:10<schoppenhauer>Brigo: a thingy that is recommended for jessie
11:10<Brigo>schoppenhauer, i only can thing of installing a new daemon without systemd unit.
11:11<Brigo>in this case you will need to restart systemd to lauch the automatic port of init script to systemd units.
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11:11<Brigo>reload, not restart, sorry.
11:12<DrZaius>schoppenhauer: its run automatically
11:12<schoppenhauer>DrZaius: ok. thx.
11:12<DrZaius>you can see for yourself, since is the last line after you upgrade
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11:13<Brigo>it is a program
11:13<DrZaius>yeah, it installs a hook in apt that says if you have to restart
11:13<DrZaius>basically the same as checkrestart but run automatically
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11:14<Brigo>it was the thingy that ask me for restarting dameons after some upgrades.
11:16<DrZaius>i think this one is only a hook for apt
11:16<DrZaius>it just prints you (dont) need to restart
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11:16<DrZaius>as the last line after an upgrade
11:16<OldOneEye>drzaius drzaius
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11:16<DrZaius>drzaius drzaius ooooh, drzaius
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11:52<pmart>Can I make bugs.d.o display bugs in experimental only (not present in unstable)?
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11:56<debijit>I cant open terminal in gnome- when i click on terminal, -loading, then nothing
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12:03<debijit>any help
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12:04<Brigo>debijit, try in debian-gnome
12:04<debijit>thank you
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12:05<Ir0nsh007er_>bon matin /good morning
12:05<mickey>where do I ask about why Jessie Cinnamon crashed when I added my limited user account as a sudoer?
12:06<Brigo>michel, you can try right here.
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12:06<Brigo>mickey, sorry, you can try right here.
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12:07<mickey>thanks if you mean me :) I installed the 386 version on a Dell Precision T1600 with default, Cinnamon and Mate desktops. Cinnamon ran by default on first boot
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12:08<mickey>first thing I do when installing Debian is add my limited user account as a sudoer. I then couldn't relog to have the change take effect because the Cinnamon desktop manager stopped responding
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12:09<mickey>I had to do a hard reboot and the system recovered and no problems since then
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12:10<Brigo>mickey, i have never used cinnamon, so i can help much, but did you check the logs?
12:10<RayzrShrp>anybody know how i can change the logging facility for postfix?
12:10<Guest3588>is there an easy way to kill a process id with all child processes by only knowing the PID, not the children?
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12:11<mickey>brigo, which log should I review?
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12:12<Brigo>mickey, jessie with systemd?
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12:13<mickey>not sure but I think so. how do I check?
12:13<Brigo>journalctl -alb will show you the logs from last boot.
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12:14<mickey>last boot looks normal
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12:15<mickey>I did reboot again following the post-crash reboot tho
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12:15<Brigo>then jounalctl -al
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12:15<Brigo>it will show you all the saved log.
12:15<rafael>hola quien sabe como dar internet por cable a movil androi , se me daño router wifi ayuda
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12:17<mickey>still looks normal, brigo. I'll forget about it unless there are further problems. thanks
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12:18<Brigo>mickey, yw :)
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12:24<DrZaius>rafael: prueba en #debian-es... pero es una opcion de android que no tiene que ver con debian
12:24<DrZaius>prueba mas bien preguntandno en un canal de android
12:24<rafael> cual
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12:25<DrZaius>es es un canal en ingles y ademas es de debian :S y tu estas pregutnando sobre android y en español :S
12:25<Brigo>rafael, #android en freenode
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12:33<pmart>Are you using laptop-mode-tools on your laptops? I noticed it's not a dependency of task-laptop so it's not considered important.
12:33<RayzrShrp>anybody know how to change the syslog_facility for journal?
12:34<Brigo>RayzrShrp, what do you want to achieve?
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12:35<RayzrShrp>Brigo: im trying to totally get off rsyslog and i've removed it from my system but now i want to leverage the journal and control how the stuff logs into it
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12:35<Brigo>RayzrShrp, did you activate journal persistance?
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12:36<RayzrShrp>the auth.log file is no longer writte to /var/log/auth.log so how can I view just failed logins in journal? I see that using journalctl SYSLOG_FACILITY= shows different stuff like 2 is my postfix logs but how is that configured
12:36<RayzrShrp>Brigo: yes
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12:36<RayzrShrp>Brigo: i have iptables logging but i want to be able to view just the iptables stuff using like journalctl syslog_facility=66 or whatever i set it to
12:37<Brigo>RayzrShrp, i think you cannot configure it.
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12:37<RayzrShrp>what something in linux that is not configurable lol
12:37<Brigo>but not sure about configuring facilities in journalctl, sorry.
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12:37<Brigo>RayzrShrp, i really don't know.
12:37<RayzrShrp>ok thanks
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12:38<Brigo>RayzrShrp, don't use number but names.
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12:41<pmart>RayzrShrp: SYSLOG_FACILITY field is passed from the client. I don't think it can be configured on journald level.
12:42<RayzrShrp>pmart: so postfix is passing 2 for instance
12:42<pmart>You can filter journal on per unit basis: try --unit option
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12:43<RayzrShrp>so what is a unit? would postfix be a unit?
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12:43<TobiX>RayzrShrp: man systemd.unit, and yes
12:44<TobiX>A service is a unit, and some other things are units
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12:44<pmart>RayzrShrp: systemctl status postfix.service (i guess that's the name)
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12:45<RayzrShrp>hmmm ok so pulling just the iptable logs from journal isnt going to be nice and neat since its under the kernel
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12:46<pmart>You will have to grep it out I guess
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12:47<TobiX>Or use nflog with a matching userspace tool
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12:49<pmart>RayzrShrp: Actually there are some kernel related fields in journal. See systemd.journal-fileds(7).
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12:56<RayzrShrp>hmmm i wonder if iptables or netfilter would be a subsystem
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13:01<TobiX>RayzrShrp: Nope. iptables LOG lines have nothing of that.
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13:03<TobiX>RayzrShrp: Sample iptables log line:
13:05<TobiX>("journalctl -o export" is the command to get logs in this format)
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13:16<Kittyofthebox>hey does anyone know a package on debian that might do a better job of what this link describes: ?
13:16<Kittyofthebox>I search the repos a bit couldn't find anything that fits
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13:19<ixi>,v perl
13:19<judd>Package: perl on amd64 -- squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u2; jessie: 5.20.2-3; stretch: 5.20.2-3; sid: 5.20.2-4
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13:19<ixi>oh my :)
13:20<ixi>we have an actually fresh current perl on current stable
13:20<ixi>has this ever happened before
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13:21<dpkg>[perl6] a major revision to the <Perl> programming language. It is still in development, as a specification from which several interpreter and compiler implementations are being written. For help, see #perl6 on
13:22<valdyn>so thats perls fault
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13:27<blast007>ixi: you sound surprised that a just released version of Debian would have recent versions of software :)
13:27<ixi>I am :)
13:28<ixi>valdyn current is 5.20.2, perl6 is not perl, it's a completely different project/language
13:28<blast007>Squeeze and Wheezy did the same
13:28<valdyn>ixi: yea
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13:32<R1CH>hey all, i just did a wheezy -> jessie upgrade. i'm a little worried about rebooting since systemctl is giving messages like "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1". is this expected before rebooting?
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13:34<blast007>ixi: perhaps I'm mistaken, actually. I was looking at "Latest Update" not released date for Perl.
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13:34<ixi>blast007 I think you are right
13:34<ixi>wheezy shipped .14 and I think that's what was stable at that time upstream
13:34<kidx>hello any one got a link to debian 8 32bit pae i lost it i want to try a different variation
13:36<blast007>kidx: is the 32/64-bit netinstall linked from the main site not enough?
13:36<sunbird>R1CH: i would imagine there would be lots of errors until you reboot.
13:36<valdyn>R1CH: please run "uname -r"
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13:37<R1CH>3.16.0-4-amd64, i noticed there is no /run/systemd directory also
13:37<valdyn>R1CH: ok, so this is a real system, you're not totally fucked then, just checking
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13:38<valdyn>R1CH: if it is an upgraded you dont necessarily have systemd
13:38<Brigo>R1CH, cat /proc/1/comm ?
13:39<R1CH>still init, since i haven't rebooted yet
13:39<R1CH>i upgraded another system and was able to use systemctl prior to the reboot, this one is giving errors which has me worried
13:39<valdyn>not rebooted but still a jessie kernel
13:39<valdyn>aint that funny
13:40<R1CH>yeah, had a testing kernel installed
13:41<kidx>any one have debian 8 links
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13:41<kidx>sorry to be a pain
13:41<Brigo>may be from backports?
13:41<Brigo>R1CH, is dbus runnig?
13:41<kidx>i am confused there
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13:41<R1CH>Brigo, yes
13:41<blast007>kidx: it's in the top right of the main Debian site.. :)
13:41<kidx>I dont know what to donwload iso1 2 3 i am confused.
13:41<Brigo>R1CH, and systemd and journald?
13:42<jrabbit>you probably only want disc 1
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13:42<kidx>thast net install
13:42<R1CH>Brigo, neither
13:42<Brigo>kidx, or just netinstall if you can install trough a network
13:42<kidx>not what i want lol
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13:42<kidx>I would liek a proper ISO
13:42<blast007>kidx: define "proper ISO"
13:43<Brigo>R1CH, and the package are installed? systemd package?
13:43<R1CH>i followed the default upgrade procedure which installed systemd:amd64 215-17
13:43<kidx>not a net install
13:43<kidx>define an iso?
13:44<Brigo>R1CH, so systemd is installed?
13:44<kidx>casue your linking me to a net install
13:44<Brigo>if it is you can try to check logs and find out why it is not running.
13:44<blast007>kidx: the netinstall is an ISO you can burn to a disc or write to a USB stick. it just doesn't contain as many packages on the ISO (so it downloads the extra ones you want depending on what you choose during the install).
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13:46<kidx>I dont understand
13:46<kidx>when i did do this it asked for a dvd
13:46<kidx>i tought it downloaded
13:46<blast007>what asked for a DVD?
13:46<kidx>but it dont it asks for a dvd
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13:47<blast007>you're being far too vague for us to provide help. What did you do that asked for a DVD?
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13:47<kidx>i am vague
13:47<kidx>all i asked for was a dvd iso either kde or mate
13:48<kidx>so i can burn it and install
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13:48<blast007>the netinstall disc can do that as long as you have network access during the install
13:49<ixi>3 non-netinst dvd torrents at bottom of page
13:49<ixi>you will need 3 dvd disks for this though
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13:50<ixi>kidx ^
13:50<kidx>i dotn want that
13:50<ixi>what is it that you want though
13:50<kidx>I want 1 dvd 1 iso
13:50<kidx>forget it ill stay with what i ahve
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13:50<ixi>full debian does not fit on 1 dvd
13:51<ixi>it used to be like 40 cds
13:51<kidx>i have a iso here of debian 8
13:51<kidx>1 dvd
13:51<Maulkin>It's 75-85 CDs.
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13:51<kidx>gnome edition
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13:51<ixi>kidx that's what you *think* you have
13:51<kidx>no thats what i have
13:51<ixi>what you think is not always what it is in reality
13:51<Maulkin>And 3 dvds.
13:52<kidx>it came from the debian site
13:52<kidx>so i dont think i know
13:52<kidx>any how
13:52<kidx>i was linked here in this irc
13:52<kidx>not long ago maybe last week or a few days ago
13:52<kidx>just could not get it going %100
13:52<blast007>so you already have the ISO, so why do you need it again?
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13:53<kidx>now yu tell me i need 100 dvds?
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13:53<kidx>casue i want to try a different version
13:53<Brigo>near of 100 CDs, no DVDs
13:53<kidx>casue this one aint working
13:53<kidx>whas your issue
13:53<blast007>kidx: you don't give us enough information to help you
13:53<Brigo>kidx, first dvd should ship all the software you wuold need.
13:54<ixi>I think talking to you is not worth anyone's time anymore, kidx
13:54<kidx>I am asking for 1 dvd iso of this os
13:54<ixi>you surely know better than anyone else
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13:54<kidx>this is why i dont use debian
13:54<kidx>casue its confusing
13:55<blast007>of coure, you'd want to get the i386 images instead of the amd64
13:55<kidx>people rub you the wrong way when asking for help
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13:55<kidx>ibut dont get me wrong there are great people here
13:55<blast007>kidx: but really, it's NOT confusing. There is a link right at the top right of the Debian site that says "Download Debian 8.0"
13:55<kidx>i have spke to some
13:55<kidx>but today is not the right day for irc help so ia m out
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13:56<blast007>that image would let you install any of the normal desktop environments. It would just have to download the packages on demand.
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13:56<kidx>this is why Linux hates debian
13:56<kidx>1 dvd should be enough
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13:56<blast007>the netinstall is one *CD*
13:56<kidx>this is not simple
13:56<kidx>3 dvds
13:56<Brigo>kidx, so what packages should we delete?
13:57<kidx>so when do i need a 3+ dvd's
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13:57<kidx>i cant even find a third dvd to use
13:57<kidx>this is a joke for a distro
13:57<blast007>kidx: Get the netinstall and use that. This conversation is not productive.
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14:01<debijit>Hey, there is multiple gnome session in my login,, i need to delete, except gnome and gnome-classic,,,, i tried to ask on #debian-gnome , but no replies..
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14:13<hicks>in xfce there's a software & updates ui that has a updates tab to check daily and "display immediately". Does anything else need installing for the display to work ?
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14:18<mthed>Howdy! I'm having some trouble with XFCE on Jessie (I haven't done full upgrade, but I install about a month ago, so I'm not far off)
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14:18<mthed>What's happing is that changes I make in Windows Manager Tweaks don't take effect
14:18<mthed>Any idea what might cause that?
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14:27<diego>just dist-upgraded... and total caos! my jaournalsays lvm has some configuration unknown, tries to start devices but times out and fails spwaning ck-log-system-start, fails starting console suystem startup loggingfails nfs-common service ...LSB help!!!!
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14:30<blast007>diego: 'dist-upgraded' meaning you upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie?
14:30<diego>blast007: indeed
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14:31<diego>I cannot send the screenshoot but as a picture
14:31<diego>I suspect it is some LVM thing
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14:37<diego>I can read that it Failed to start Console System Startup Logging, plus it Failed to start LSB:NFS suppeort files common to client and server.
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14:40<diego>As I'd read, I typed systemctl status nfs-common.service and I can see code=exited status=127
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14:43<Flensburg>What show journalctl or /var/log/syslog, messages?
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14:45<diego>I took a photo with the phone.. where can i post it?
14:47<diego>I am in maintenance mode and typed "journalctl -xb" as it reads so.
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15:18<Flensburg>Only smartphone irc.
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15:18<Flensburg>Try to upload.
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15:25<blast007>diego: for posting an image, something like imgur or works
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15:35<Flensburg>I am still 10 minutes online.
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15:44<prahal___>hi : rfkill list my pci wifi card as hard blocked ... rt2800pci on debian 3.19 and 3.16 (well even on a 3.4 ..) . This started two weeks ago.
15:45<prahal___>the issue is an addon card , no button to turn it on / off
15:46<prahal___>is there an acpi fake call or some kind of magic to turn it on ?
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15:47<Brigo>prahal___, look at the driver parameters.
15:47<Brigo>modinfo <driver>
15:47<prahal___>nohwcrypt only :/
15:47<prahal___>maybe on mac802111 level let me check
15:47<Brigo>bad luck then :-/
15:48<prahal___>wish me bad luck :H
15:48<prahal___>dithering might help , let s slap this box
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15:58<canaima__>holasss miss rinkinkitoss
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17:45<quentusrex_>Anyone here able to fix a python package in SID?
17:45<quentusrex_>I've run into that issue on two python distutil packages
17:45<quentusrex_>and it prevents install and uninstall due to the prerm and post scripts failing
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17:58<hendrikL> ?????????
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18:03<Quentin>could you give me a hand for debian jessie ?
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18:04<Quentin>my computer is blocked after grub : /dev/sda1 : clean, xxx/xxx files, xxx/xxx blocks
18:05<Texou>Quentin: hmm :/ what Debian release?
18:05<Texou>Quentin: 1st boot?
18:06<Texou>Quentin: what happened since the 1st boot?
18:06<Texou>update? install?
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18:06<Texou>was the kernel upgraded?
18:07<Quentin>i don't know
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18:07<Texou>how long have you waited for next steps?
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18:08<Texou>Quentin: well maybe you should wait a longer time before proceeding
18:08<Texou>maybe ... you shuld be more patient
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18:09<Texou>for example, 30-40s could be expected
18:09<Quentin>i don't understand, my computer is block since 1h
18:09<Texou>1h ok
18:09<Quentin>i reboot 2x
18:09<Quentin>recovery are block too
18:10<Texou>I'm afraid you to need using a livecd.
18:10<Texou>maybe some service cannot run
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18:10<Texou>Quentin: have you connected the computer to the Internet?
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18:11<Quentin>maybe : when i put CTRL+ALT+F4, certain processus stop
18:11<Texou>Quentin: ctrl-alt-f4? what for?
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18:12<Quentin>I test for deblock my computer, i try ctrl alt f4
18:12<Texou>Ok :)
18:12<Texou>Quentin: and ctrl-c?
18:13<Quentin> which ?
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18:14<Texou>Quentin: what do you mean?
18:14<Quentin>you say : need using a livecd
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18:15<Quentin>so i use a livecd, but which ?
18:15<Texou>Quentin: oh sorry yes. I think such CD could be fine.
18:15<Quentin>iso ?
18:15<Quentin>standard, xcfe, ... ?
18:15<Texou>Quentin: iso to burn on a CD/USB stick, yes
18:15<Texou>Quentin: anything,
18:16<Quentin>ok thx Texou
18:16<Texou>Quentin: the purpose is boot, chroot, and try uninstalling your service, then installing them again, one by one
18:16<Quentin>can desactivate fsck ?
18:17<Texou>Quentin: no, it's not recommended
18:17<Quentin>because, in my computer it's write :
18:17<Quentin>Loading, please wait...
18:17<Brigo>Quentin, did you try to boot with the old kernel?
18:17<Quentin>fsck from util-linux 2.25.2
18:18<Quentin>Brigo: i don't think
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18:18<Texou>Quentin: you should try, indeed
18:18<Brigo>Quentin, i guess you are problem with disks.
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18:18<Texou>hmmm, not sure it's disk, as fsck displans it's clean
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18:19<Texou>livecd will enable to check
18:19<Texou>however I guess a service not booting
18:19<Texou>and hidden by sxstemd log
18:19<shirish>hi all, I have been having some applications autostarting during the moment I enter a session, for e.g. abiword
18:19<shirish>how do I turn that off ?
18:20<Quentin>Texou: Brigo i put live cd in usb and i come back
18:20<Texou>Quentin: ok
18:20<Brigo>shirish, what desktop environment?
18:21<Texou>Quentin: try other kernels too
18:21<shirish>Brigo: I am in mate atm.
18:21<Quentin>Texou: how ?
18:21<Quentin>Texou: sorry, i never change kernel
18:21<Texou>Quentin: at boot time, grub gives you choice
18:21<Quentin>Texou: i have only one kernel
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18:21<Texou>Quentin: ok so no problem with this
18:22<Texou>shirish: System -> Preferences -> Apps at boot
18:22<alfaora>Hi, is 'I once was a human, now...' or 'I was a human once, now...' correct?
18:22<Texou>(not sure it's the proper English word) ^^
18:23<shirish>Texou: I have System > Preferences but not apps at boot therein.
18:23<Brigo>alfaora, ask in #english channel, in frenode network.
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18:23<Brigo>shirish, you should.
18:23<shirish>Texou: running mate 1.8
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18:23<Brigo>May be you need another package
18:24<Brigo>shirish, i am using mate too.
18:24<Quentin>it's only english here Texou ?
18:24<Texou>shirish: don't know the English for this. Don't you have something like "Boot apps" or apps at boot time, etc?
18:24<Texou>Quentin: yes
18:24<Quentin>Texou: ok (c'est dommage :p)
18:24<Texou>Quentin: oui :)
18:24<Texou>Quentin: but it's international
18:24<Quentin>my key is ok, i boot
18:24<Brigo>Quentin, yes.
18:25<shirish>Brigo: can you try to find the command-line equivalent which will show whatever is needed.
18:25<Brigo>shirish, yes, i can
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18:26<shirish>Brigo: for e.g. putting mate-tweak into CLI gives me mate-tweak GUI.
18:27<Brigo>shirish, mate-session-properties
18:27<Brigo>there is mate-session-save. I think i will be usefull too
18:27<Quentin>ok my key is boot. I'm in the shell
18:28<Brigo>shirish, man mate-session-save
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18:28<Texou>Quentin: hmmm do you know to chroot?
18:28<Brigo>Quentin, with the live cd?
18:28<Quentin>Brigo: yes
18:28<Quentin>Texou: hmm... :x
18:28<shirish>Brigo: thank you.
18:28<Brigo>shirish, yw :)
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18:29<Quentin>i chang system (1.1) ?
18:29<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
18:29<Brigo>and stop when chroot into it :)
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18:34<Quentin>i mount /dev/sda1 in /media/system
18:34<Quentin>it's good ?
18:35<Brigo>Quentin, yes, why not /target?
18:35<Quentin>i read an other article
18:36*Texou likes dpkg explanations
18:36<Brigo>Quentin, ok, then :)
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18:36<Texou>Brigo: is there a help for dpkg commands ? :)
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18:36<Texou>Oh yes :)
18:36<Brigo>Texou, indeed
18:37<Quentin>after that ?
18:37<Texou>easy to guess
18:37<devil>Texou: if you have a day or 2, reaad man dpkg
18:37<Texou>Quentin: I hope you mounted --bind, etc. ?
18:37<devil>read even
18:37<Quentin>Texou: no sry
18:37<Brigo>Quentin, check logs
18:37<Texou>devil: I focused on bot :)
18:37<Texou>Quentin: so Brigo is right, follow dpkg explanations
18:37<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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18:39<Quentin>mount -t proc none /target/proc
18:39<Quentin>not work
18:39<Brigo>Quentin, XD
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18:40<Brigo>Quentin, because you mount the / in /media/system
18:40<Brigo>then you have to mount -t proc none /media/system
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18:41*Texou has just seen #debian-fr :)
18:41<Quentin>so for sysfs
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18:41<Quentin>mount -t sysfs none /media/system
18:42<Brigo>Quentin, right.
18:42<Quentin>t's ok
18:42<Brigo>and dev?
18:43<Quentin>i hope :/
18:43<Brigo>then chroot /media/system
18:43<Texou>check with mount
18:43<Texou>if not sure
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18:45<Quentin>chroot /media/system
18:45<Texou>as Brigo said
18:45<Brigo>Quentin, you are now in your system
18:45<Brigo>Quentin, what was the problem?
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18:46<Brigo>system don't boot?
18:46<Quentin>because : failed ton run command
18:46<Quentin>#/bin/bash/# no such file or directory
18:46<Texou>Quentin: have you installed an amd64 system?
18:46<Quentin>I am really sucks xD
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18:47<Texou>Quentin: a!e you root?
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18:48<Quentin>my hdd is mount in /media/system
18:48<Quentin>(because ls work)
18:48<Texou>and chroot /media/system doesn't work?
18:49<Texou>and ls /media/system/bin/bash works I guess?
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18:53<Quentin>i don't understand
18:53<Quentin>in dev
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18:54<Brigo>Quentin, what do you don't undestand?
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18:54<Quentin>i make an error, i reboot :/
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18:56<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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18:59<Quentin>Brigo: Texou ok
18:59<Quentin>chroot /target work
18:59<Texou>Quentin: now I think you should uninstall services you installed
18:59<Texou>Quentin: and try if it boots again
19:00<Brigo>Texou, i doubt the services was the problem.
19:00<Texou>Brigo: ah ok
19:00<Brigo>i think the problem are the disks or so.
19:00<Brigo>just check the logs and see
19:00<Texou>right too
19:00<Texou>and try mounting all your partitions maybe
19:00<Brigo>Quentin, can you check /var/log/syslog and search for errors?
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19:03<Quentin>Brigo: it's only error for openvpn ; deluged
19:03<Quentin>mysql ;
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19:03<paxmark9>quentusrex_, some soulutions to some new python problems a the Siduction forum today.
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19:04<quentusrex_>paxmark9, ?
19:04<Texou>quentusrex_: I'd remove them, or try fixing them
19:04<Texou>Quentin: I'd remove them, or try fixing them
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19:05<Brigo>Texou, remove it first and then we will see.
19:05<Texou>Brigo: I agree
19:05<Brigo>but i cannot see how that services can avoid the boot process.
19:06<Quentin>my problem is fsck
19:06<Quentin>in boot
19:06<Texou>in my opinion, it's after fsck, not during
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19:06<Quentin>and openvpn ; deluge a report with fsck ?
19:06<Texou>not so long I know
19:07<Brigo>Quentin, what said fsck?
19:07<Quentin>Brigo: when my computer block, it's write /dev/sda1, clen files xxx/xxx folders xxx/xxx
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19:08<Brigo>Quentin, that's not a error, it is doing in every boot.
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19:08<Quentin>Brigo: but it's block here
19:08<Texou>hence my idea it's blocked after fsck
19:08<Quentin>so it's after fsck
19:08<Texou>not during
19:09<Quentin>no log for that ?
19:09<Texou>all the more as it worked before this install
19:09<Texou>Quentin: yes, your errors
19:09<Texou>I guess openvpn, etc. start after fsck
19:10<Texou>I think if you remove them, reboot, it works, you should install them and test their init script before reboot
19:10<Texou>to fix errors before full reboot and, thus, avoid block
19:10<Quentin>i think it's deluge
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19:11<Quentin>can see the scripts launched to start?
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19:11<Texou>they're in /etc/init.d
19:11<Texou>(except if systemctl takes everything differently)
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19:12<Quentin>Texou: i.e ?
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19:13<Texou>Quentin: not sure systemctl uses the scripts in /etc/init.d, but I think it does anyway
19:13<Texou>because in Jessie to start a service, we use szstemctl
19:13<Texou>but I think it relies on init.d
19:14<paxmark9>quentusrex_, if it is 783753 ibpython2.7-minimal: missed symlink renders python2.7 unusable - it is a topic at siduction forum. probably belongs at #debian-next
19:14<Texou>and anyway you'll be able to test /etc/init.d/script star
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19:15<Quentin>not other folder for systemctl ?
19:15<Texou>I don't know
19:16<Texou>probably not
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19:17<Quentin>why i don't have log when my computer block ?
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19:17<Texou>systemd :D
19:17*Texou trolls
19:18<Texou>well I don't like systemd, and I think it's the reason for which you don't have logs
19:19<Quentin>i hate
19:19<Quentin>in systemd
19:19<Texou>and Debian improved its log :)
19:19<Texou>but likely not everything
19:19<Quentin>file service, it's execute in boot ?
19:20<Quentin>in /etc/systemd/system
19:20<Quentin>i have deluge/deluge-web.service
19:20<Quentin>it's executing when i boot my computer ?
19:20<Texou>likely a interesting point too, yes
19:21<somiaj>!remove systemd
19:21<dpkg>To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes:
19:21<somiaj>if you don't like systemd, feel free to use sysvinit (:
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19:21<Texou>hahaha :)
19:21<somiaj>there is also a factoid about how to make a plain text log from the binary log of systemd. I will have to hunt it down if that is what you want to do.
19:21<Texou>somiaj: possible with gnome? I'm in doubt
19:22<somiaj>Texou: possible yes, will all features of gnome work -- not sure.
19:22<Texou>somiaj: I like your 2nd point :)
19:22<Texou>"factoid about how to make a plain text log from the binary log of systemd"
19:22<somiaj>Texou: debian makes a systemd-shim package, that will contain stuff that gnome needs to run but allow you to use sysvinit as your init system.
19:22<Quentin>Texou: so, this file it's executing when i boot my computer
19:23<Texou>Quentin: I think, yes
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19:23<Texou>somiaj: oh ok. Fine
19:23<Quentin>ok i mv deluge/deluge-web.service in root
19:23<Texou>Quentin: but the script I suggested earlier, it's to test. The problem isn't the script itself, but the service config I think
19:24<Quentin>Texou: ! i forget ! when my computer block and i make ctrl+alt+f4. differents service stop like openvpn
19:24<somiaj>Texou: let me find the info on how to have journald add logs to a plain text file. I rember seeing this, but not finding the factoid right now.
19:25<Texou>Quentin: confirmation of my hypothesis
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19:26<Quentin>i mv openvpn (init.d) in root
19:26<Quentin>for test
19:26<Quentin>so now, it's not executed ? right ?
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19:27<somiaj>Texou: see /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian -- there is a section Enabling persistent logging in journald. Read that, it makes journald put a copy of the logs in /var/log/journal
19:27<somiaj>Texou: I belive this is a plain text, if you want to test it out let me know and I'll add a factoid.
19:27<Texou>ok I'll test, thanks, very nice thing
19:28<somiaj>Quentin: systemd has some LSB compadability. If the init.d script has proper LSB headers systemd may start it. It is better to use a .service file, and I'm unsure on how systemd decides if or if not to use the init scripts in /etc/init.d
19:28<Quentin>Texou: i reboot and not work
19:29<Texou>Quentin: check logs again
19:29<Texou>and see if these services fail, or others
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19:29<Quentin>what is rdnssd .
19:30<Texou>don't know
19:30<Quentin>because when i make ctrl+alt+f4 (when block), last line ist rdnssd
19:30<Texou>to be comparedwith logs
19:31<Quentin>i reboot
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19:32<somiaj>Texou: Hmm, a bit more research, what I point you just makes a persistant copy of /run/log/journal/ at /var/log/journal/ so you can look at previous logs, but I belive the lgos will still be binary so you'll have to use journalctl to search though them. I have not tested this, but this is what my research says.
19:33<Texou>oh ok
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19:33<Texou>anyway the problem isn't exactly binary journalctl, but even journalctl says weird things about services and errors. Its logs are not clear
19:35<somiaj>yea as a desktop user I noticed very little, but I don't usually look at my logs. I think a lot might just be getting use to how journalctl works, seems to have some nice built in features (though I must admit I was just fine with text and grep on my logs)
19:35<Texou>I was too :)
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19:35<Texou>I don't look at my logs often, yes. But I do when I've problems, and journalctl is unable to report it for me
19:36<Quentin>Texou: syslog nothing, the last log is when i reboot my computer (first reboot)
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19:36<Texou>Quentin: oh :/
19:36<Texou>Quentin: not errors anymore?
19:36<somiaj>A lot could be use to a certain method, my suggestion is give it an honest try and get use to the tools. Then compare. You may even find it nicer once you get use to using it. (:
19:37<Quentin>Apr 29 23:11
19:37<somiaj>Quentin: I'm not following your exact issue, but does your init.d script work once you are booted?
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19:38<Texou>somiaj: simple to sum up: his computer cannot boot, he installed openvpn, and other packages
19:38<Quentin>somiaj: before before restarting it for the first time , it worked.
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19:39<Quentin>Texou: so since apr 29 23h11 no error
19:39<Quentin>in syslog
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19:40<Texou>but there were errors at last boot on livecd, wasn't it?
19:40<Quentin>probably, because my cmputer block
19:41<Texou>don't know in details. As I said I'd remove what you installed and tried again
19:41<Texou>it seems to me the most re;evant from your issue, and its origin
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19:45<Quentin>Texou: in /var/log/upstart
19:45<Quentin>i have a log name mountall.log
19:45<Quentin>and it's write fsck clean ...
19:45<somiaj>Quentin: are you using upstart? I thought you were using systemd?
19:45<Quentin>for deluge
19:46<Quentin>i have try
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19:54<Quentin>i have acpi warning in dmsg Texou somiaj Brigo
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19:58<Texou>acpi... probably harmless
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19:58<Infiltrator>jessie is now stable, right? Because trying to apt-get dist-upgrade from wheezy lists a lot of serious and grave bugs for packages such as grub and network-manager.
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19:59<Brigo>Infiltrator, yes, jessie is now stable.
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20:27<aaron_>Did the sources.list definitions for wheezy change when jessie was released?
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20:31<tremon>aaron_: only if you previously had "stable" in your sources.list instead of "wheezy"
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20:32<aaron_>tremon: thanks. I didn't, but now am setting apt give 404s like Failed to fetch 404 Not Found
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20:33<tremon>checking the dir, I only see sources.bz2 and Sources.gz, no uncompressed versions. I don't know if that's supposed to be that way
20:34<aaron_>i meant seeing... not seting.. thanks autocorrect
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20:41<themill>The repo looks right -- there should only be compressed versions there and looks for the compressed versions in turn before complaining
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20:41<dpkg>When apt returns a 404 for Packages, Sources or Translation files, it has looked for all the different compression types that it knows about and has been unable to find the resource listed in the error message with any form of compression.
20:42<aaron_>thanks themill and tremon
20:42<aaron_>it looks like i have a apt proxy issue, removing that works as expected
20:42<themill>yeah, proxies sometimes get that wrong when they try to do extra compression on the already compressed files
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21:30<martin__>alguien me puede ayudar
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21:31<martin__>quiere ayuda como instalo office?
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22:48<converge>anyone know what this error message means ?
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22:51<somiaj>converge: have you looked at what it isays? is /dev/pts mounted? Is /dev mounted?
22:52<somiaj>converge: paste the output of 'mount'
22:52<converge>somiaj, its a chroot jail, should I mount it?
22:52<somiaj>converge: that is probably the reason
22:53<somiaj>converge: yea it is usually suggestion you mount --bind important parts inside your chroots. such as /dev, /proc, /sys
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22:53<somiaj>converge: note I woudln't call it a chroot jail, since chroots are inherintally insecure compard to jails. But that is just me.
22:55<converge>somiaj, nice, thanks
22:56<somiaj>converge: from outside the chroot, 'mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev' -- do this for any file sytem you think you'll need in the chroot. (Note Im' unsure on any security issues that arrise with doing this, but sounds like youa re isntalling something that needs info that is not there)
23:00<converge>somiaj, nice, i still have my package system broke
23:02<somiaj>converge: how? run apt-get -f install, or dpkg --configure -a after you mount /dev inside the chroot so it can contiue to configure the packge it broke on?
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23:06<soundconjurer>How will I know if I have to reboot after an update?
23:07<converge>Somasis, I did both, dpkg --configure -a, and apt-get install -f , can you take a look ?
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23:08<somiaj>soundconjurer: I think a good rule is only if a new kernel is installed (linux-image packages)
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23:08<soundconjurer>That is normally the rule I follow.
23:09<soundconjurer>I was wondering if there definitive methods for determining it.
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23:09<soundconjurer>I know Ubuntu tells you. Just wondering if Debian had a feature like that.
23:09<somiaj>soundconjurer: Most everything else (not sure here) can be restarted and if it is restared with the new version you should be fine.
23:10<somiaj>soundconjurer: you really can't 'restart' the kernel without a reboot.
23:10<soundconjurer>Not currently. Yes, I agree.
23:10<somiaj>soundconjurer: again there may be some bizare case that most won't run into. But I don't know of any.
23:11<soundconjurer>I was just wondering. Thank you.
23:12<somiaj>soundconjurer: I wouldn't be surprised if ubuntu has you 'restart' if you updated your graphics drivers. There are things that wno't be restarted by default (non-services usually)
23:12<somiaj>soundconjurer: so if you get a new graphics driver, you will have to unload/load the module and restart xorg.
23:12<somiaj>soundconjurer: Some may just opt to reboot over doing the unloading/loading of modules or restarting xorg.
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23:14<soundconjurer>I hate rebooting. :P I hope distros make use of this new feature in 4.x.
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23:14<IDrinkMilk>give the 4.0 line of code time to branch out :)
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23:16<soundconjurer>Yup, 4.0 gives way to ending this terrible terrible procedure. :P
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23:18<soundconjurer>Goodnight, going into sleep mode.
23:18<somiaj>soundconjurer: at some level teh software stack can be fairly complicated, and even restarting a service may not fix the seciruty hole. I just have reservations on 'reloading a new kernel with out reboot'. I know it can be done, but over all sometimes it is useful to reset the software stack
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23:19<somiaj>soundconjurer: though my boot is faster than my post, so it isn't something I worry about (I don't mind either using session management or closing/reopening my files I'm working on)
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23:20<soundconjurer>Well, hopefully this new Kernel feature is as good as it is touted. If it is, then yey! If not, then it can only improve. :)
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23:21<soundconjurer>Ta-ta. Again, thank you for that router issue.
23:21<soundconjurer>My frustrations are gone. In full enjoyment mode of Jessie. ^.^
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23:26<retrospectacus>alright team, I have an upgrade issue
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23:27<retrospectacus>I have an armhf "plug" style machine - it is called an Overo
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23:28<retrospectacus>when I proceeded to upgrade from wheezy to jessie I got this;
23:29<retrospectacus>root@overo:~# uname -a
23:29<retrospectacus>Linux overo 3.0.0 #1 Fri Jan 6 11:22:17 PST 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux
23:29<somiaj>retrospectacus: what kernel are you running?
23:29<somiaj>retrospectacus: what distro are you running? Where did you get that kernel? that doens't look like a kernel debian ships.
23:29<retrospectacus>so, the kernel is this "uImage" thing, which I cannot recall how or where I got it
23:30<somiaj>retrospectacus: wheezy should be running a 3.2.0 kernel, what ya doing on 3.0.0 kernel.
23:30<somiaj>retrospectacus: I'd install the wheezy kernel, 3.2.0, reboot, then start the upgrade preocess.
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23:31<somiaj>retrospectacus: and hopefully you aren't in some broken state where you have to boot into a rescue image and upgrade from a kernel that supports the features needed in udev.
23:32<retrospectacus>this machine has access through ssh *only*
23:32<retrospectacus>it has no video capability or usb or anything like that
23:32<somiaj>retrospectacus: well you need to change the kernel to one that can run with the jessie's version of udev. I am unsure what would be the best way to go about it.
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23:32<somiaj>retrospectacus: and depending on what is upgraded or partially upgraded before udev errored out could cause issues with the install.
23:33<retrospectacus>yeah. I just don't know what is the method to get the kernel to be a "uImage" thing
23:33<retrospectacus>on the machine, ls /boot is empty
23:33<retrospectacus>it has some strange way of booting
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23:33<somiaj>I have no clue either, but it is sounded really 'not debian' to me, though I'm not that familar with arm or embeded installs. It could be something that #debian-arm might be able to better answer.
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23:34<somiaj>,kernels --arch armel
23:34<judd>(kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases.
23:34<somiaj>,kernels --arch armhf
23:34<judd>(kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases.
23:34<retrospectacus>well, everything is debian; all the software and sources, except the kernel is some strange thing, honestly I forget how I did it in the first place
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23:36<somiaj>retrospectacus: yea the issue is this third party kernel not having the correct CONFIG options for the jessie udev. I have very little experience with armhf, so as I said maybe #debian-arm has a better idea what the issue could be. But from the sounds of it to me it isn't really a debian support question since it is an issue with this unoffical kernel you 'forget how you did it in the first place'
23:36<somiaj>retrospectacus: again you could try to install the kernel-image from the debian repo. But since you may be in the middle of an upgrade, I don't know how 'broken' your system would be if you tried this and rebooted. Could be you don't get things back.
23:37<somiaj>retrospectacus: I mean linux-image (What they are called now)
23:37<somiaj>retrospectacus: I also don't know if for some reason you need this 'special' kernel over the debian one to boot the machine.
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23:45<retrospectacus>does the jessie kernel have these features enabled? Almost certainly?
23:45<somiaj>and I would assume the 3.2.0 kenel in wheezy does too since the upgrade can be done with out switching kernels
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