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#debian IRC Logs for 2016-01-04

---Logopened Mon Jan 04 00:00:49 2016
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00:20<ramich>hat hier wer bissel ahnung im umfeld von debian kde
00:24<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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01:36<zlhgo>how to optimize openjdk font in debian?
01:37<zlhgo>my intellij idea has very ugly fonts.
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02:13<tomnux>I have downloaded some deb files for offline installation. How can I verify that the files I downloaded from some random mirror has not been tampered with? Something similar to rpm --checksig *.rpm ?
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02:16<NNick>why not just download from a debian mirror?
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02:22<tomnux>because I don't want the same files to redownload it again and again for installing on different machines
02:25<NNick>you can download from mirrors using your browser and save the files to use again and again
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02:26<cryptonight>tomnux, perhas this is what you're looking for:
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02:40<tomnux>cryptonight: thanks for that link.
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04:58<laughingtiger>hi, every once in a while, my iceweasel's network settings automatically jumped to a proxy mode. the address is: the mode name is:automatic proxy configuration url.
04:59<laughingtiger>I've force it back to no proxy, but god knows when it changed back without notifying me.
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04:59<laughingtiger>how did this happen?
05:00<laughingtiger>anyone pls help, thanks a lot.
05:02<laughingtiger>pls help!!!
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05:05<rgi>linux sucks
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05:08<Guest3586>hi, i try to edit my /etc/fstab from a chroot enviroment. but on every reboot the changes are gone. I need to edit my UUID because it didnt match with UUID from blkid
05:10<Stummi>Guest3586, what do you mean with "the changes are gone" - is something changing your /etc/fstab back during the boot?
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05:11<Stummi>Guest3586, or is it just that the changes seems not to be applied during boot?
05:11<Stummi>for the latter case: you have to run update-initramfs after changing the fstab
05:11<laughingtiger>Guest3586, why are you doing from a chroot environment?
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05:12<laughingtiger>is it a virus of my situation guys?
05:13<Stummi>laughingtiger, sounds strange. Is there anything running on localhost:9614?
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05:13<Stummi>do you have any addons or plugins installed?
05:13<laughingtiger>and how to check it Stummi ?
05:13<Guest3586>no, from chrot i edit the fstab and change the UUID to the right one. but when i reboot the system and come back to chroot the changes are not assumed
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05:13<Stummi>laughingtiger, netstat -tlpen
05:13<laughingtiger>yes, several addons Stummi
05:13<duclicsic>you are using Xtreme download manager
05:13<duclicsic>easy enough to google
05:14<Stummi>Guest3533, so when you look in the file, the changes are reverted?
05:14<Guest3586>Stummi, okay i will try it again wit update-initramfs
05:14<Guest3586>yes they re reverted
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05:15<laughingtiger>duclicsic, wow, you are the guru. I didn't realize the xdm is responsible for this.
05:15<laughingtiger>thanks duclicsic
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05:16<Guest3586>laughingtiger, this is my general problem
05:16<laughingtiger>but you see, do not blame me for not having googled, since I can only use as a proper search engine.
05:16<Guest3586>i cant boot my system. i think its because of the wrong UUID in the fstab file
05:17<laughingtiger>which is very stupid
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05:17<laughingtiger>oh byw, xdm is a great download manager.
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05:19<laughingtiger>Guest3586, I think you should install lvm in the chroot environment
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05:20<Guest3586>already done
05:20<Guest3586>same result
05:20<laughingtiger>oh and thank you too Stummi
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05:21<laughingtiger>well, did you compiled the kernel Guest3586 ?
05:21<Guest3586>no, how can that be done ?
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05:22<laughingtiger>maybe you can try booting from debian netinst iso and choose expert install, I remember there is a reinstall grub option.
05:23<laughingtiger>it should do the trick.
05:23<Guest3586>okay i will try that
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05:25<laughingtiger>ok see ya all bye
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05:34<Guest3586>Stummi, i go to chroot make the changes, umount everything and the type echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches. when i go back to chroot the changes are reverted already
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05:37<platypo>hello my sound output doesn't work untill i replug the external speakers to the soundcard in debian 8. What can i do?
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05:38<platypo>daemons log shows: rtkit-daemon[1384] Successfully made thread 1638 of process 1383 (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by '1000' RT at priority 5. when the plug is connected
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05:49<torn_>Hi. I have this kind of static binary: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, stripped. I can run it on a Debian 8 amd64 system (with i386 as a foreign arch), but I can't run it on a Debian 8 i386 system! I get an "Illegal instruction" error.
05:49<torn_>Any idea of what could be wrong?
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08:23<oct>the default /etc/logrotate.conf has compress commented, why are the rotated log files compressed by default?
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08:26<oct>ohh, forgot about logrotate.d, oops
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09:32<Kritzefitz>Does anyone know, if there is currently a problem with alioth.d.o? I can't reach it.
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09:34<Ganneff>no problem, its just down
09:34<Kritzefitz>Ok, thank you!
09:34<Kritzefitz>Just out of interest: Was there some announcement about this?
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09:40<finster>hello there. I've got a custom debian package repository and would like to replace the signing key of the repo with a newer one? how would I go with this? suggestions welcome, as well as redirects to more appropriate channels.
09:41<wferi>Hi, does not respond to me, neither does Is this a central problem?
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09:47<lzz>seems that is down as well
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09:59<da2>Hi, when I have in my sources.list two repository with a package that has same name ("wine" in my case), how can I specify the one I need to install ?
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10:03<da2>maybe my question was wrong, dont answer me...
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10:03<finster>da2: apt-get install <package>=<version>
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10:05<da2>finster: thanks, but in fact I had only one package, mistake...
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10:13<Nugroho>hello semua?
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10:20<el_es>hi everyone :)
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10:21<el_es>how viable / supportable / problematic might be a setup of 3x disks in mdraid RAID10 configuration?
10:22<Nugroho>hello friend?
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10:23<el_es>i installed jessie from netinstall image,
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10:24<el_es>since I have 3 disks, i partitioned each into 'separate partition for /home'
10:24<el_es>using the guided config
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10:26<el_es>that has given me the size of md devices being 1.5x larger than the underlying raid partitions on disks, which I sort of like...
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10:26<Boncel>you installion kali linux?
10:26<el_es>and still some sources say it's resilient enough to survive 1 hdd fail
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10:26<el_es>Boncel: no, deb jessie + backports
10:27<Boncel>i'm not found
10:29<el_es>the guided partitioning has divided each disk (72G) into 10G for /, 2.4G for swap and the rest for /home...
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10:30<el_es>so after md join i get 14G for / and 84 for /home which is nice(r)
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10:32<el_es>any downsides to trying to move/bind-mount /var to same partition as /home, since I plan to run some containers ?
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10:33<Boncel>hay? how are you?
10:34<dark06>i'm fine
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10:35<dark06>and you ?
10:35<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
10:35<Boncel>i'm fine thank. Where do you come from?
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10:35<el_es>grove: was I offtopic ?
10:36<dark06>i'm from Dominican Republic
10:36<grove>el_es: No, but dark06 and Boncel are
10:36<dark06>hi grove
10:36<el_es>grove: ok :)
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10:37<Boncel>no topic. only the introduction. The republic where?
10:37<grove>Personal introductions are also offtopic
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10:38<dark06>i'm new in this channel irc
10:38<Boncel>no topic. only the introduction. The republic where?
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10:43<el_es>in other set of questions, can I explicitly tell lxc-create somehow, to create rootfs for container somewhere else than default ? not exactly clear on that
10:43<SynrG>also, Boncel, if you run kali, that isn't supported here.
10:43<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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10:46<dpkg>Linux Containers (LXC) is an open source virtualization system using kernel-level isolation. See also <virtualization>.
10:46<dpkg>Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks (RAID) is a system of multiple hard drives for sharing or replicating data. Ask me about RAID{0-5}, <software raid>, <fakeraid>, <megaraid>, <raid-resizing>, <rocketraid>.
10:47<SynrG>!tell el_es about msg the bot
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10:47<stoned>el_es, SynrG please use /msg dpkg keyword
10:47<stoned>No need to flood the main channel
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10:48<grove>!tell Nugroho about ask
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10:48<stoned>Nugroho, hi
10:48<Nugroho>apa tidak ada pengguna kali linux di sini?
10:48<stoned>Which lang is that?
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10:48<SynrG>stoned: by using the public form of address, i keep other helpers informed of the help i gave
10:49<stoned>SynrG, sure. Np. Just that it can be a bit needless at times.
10:49<Nugroho>yes, is there any linux user time here?
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10:49<stoned>Nugroho, here speak english or specify your lang so we can direct you to your locality
10:50<stoned>Nugroho, I don't understand. linux user time?
10:50<SynrG>Nugroho: we don't support kali here. go to #kali-linux on
10:50<SynrG>Nugroho: you're on the wrong network, and wrong channel
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10:51<el_es>SynrG: ok sorry. any possible info of TZ of people who might be interested in RAID and/or LXC questions?
10:51<SynrG>el_es: no. that's impossible to guess.
10:52<Nugroho>does anyone know the channel kali linux?
10:52<el_es>SynrG: i did get installed as (I think) I wanted, and the newly made box does run, that's probably good ;)
10:52<SynrG>Nugroho: /server /join #kali-linux
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10:52<stoned>Nugroho, just a quick word of advice, kali and all those pentesting distros are fairly useless
10:53<stoned>I do InfoSec for a living, and I don't ever use the.m
10:53<stoned>It's just a collection of tools, and you can use those tools on any distro'
10:53<stoned>Why don't you install debian, and we can help you setup the pentesting tools
10:53<stoned>You don't have to use kali.
10:53<stoned>Just learn the tools you need to use and then grab them on any distro. Hopefully debian
10:53<el_es>SynrG: only I am v. new to LXC ;J I try to read&learn etc. most I might need is some keywords & assurances ;)
10:54<Nugroho>i'm not found
10:54<bremner>freenode not frenode
10:54*stoned chuckles at the usage of kali w/o having the faintest on how to connect to irc.
10:54<grove>Nugroho: It's fre*e*node with two e's
10:55<stoned>Nugroho, why not use debian?
10:55<Nugroho>no. i'm user kali linux
10:55<stoned>Alright. Best of luck
10:55<Nugroho>how ian modrick?
10:55<stoned>try #debian-offtopic and read /topic here and there
10:57<stoned>modrick hehe. Murdock.
10:57<stoned>Nugroho, if you decide to use debian, you'll be much happier.
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10:58<stoned>I can give you my reasons, but I'm unsure if you'll connect w/ them on any level
10:58<stoned>It's just the best distro in the entire linux world, imo. Has been since 2000 since I started using.
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10:59<Nugroho>instead of the kali derivative of Debian ?
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10:59<stoned>As I explained, and one last time, kali is nothing more than a collection of infosec/secuirty tools etc. You can get/use the tools on any distro.
11:00<stoned>You do not have to depend on kali linux.
11:00<stoned>Debian has a huge software repository
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11:01<stoned>!based on debian
11:01<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
11:01<Nugroho>but may I talk about my problems?
11:01<stoned>IF they are debian related, sure.
11:01<stoned>We can't support anything but debian and packages in debian.
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11:02<stoned>We don't want to.
11:02<grove>Nugroho: If your problems are kali-related, you should go to #kali-linux on
11:02<stoned>We can't support something WE ourselves don't use.
11:02<el_es>Nugroho: because, this is #debian channel, probably ?
11:03<stoned>We use and build debian, and that's what we use and help others with.
11:03<stoned>You can't expect to go McDonalds and ask for a Jumbo Jack
11:03<Nugroho>I think the same, because the times descendants of debian.
11:03<stoned>You can't go to Burger King and expect them to give you a Big Mac
11:03<stoned>Can you?
11:03<stoned>They're all burgers.
11:03<stoned>See the analogy?
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11:04<Nugroho>yes, sure
11:04<Nugroho>kali no one
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11:04<stoned>Then it's time to switch to the best distro in the world.
11:05<stoned>Debian > *
11:05<el_es>Nugroho: kali /might/ be a derivative of Debian but no one here going to reply to kali specific questions...
11:06<Nugroho>could give me keterang why can not I?
11:06<el_es>Nugroho: #debian only for debian support questions, not kali...
11:06<SynrG>no further discussion of this point is needed. please let's move on.
11:07<Nugroho>yes, i'm sorry
11:07<SynrG>Nugroho: just figure out how to connect your irc client to, then join #kali-linux there.
11:07<Nugroho>i'm go to sleep
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11:08<SynrG>later. and good luck
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11:15*el_es dreams of an IRC bot that logs nicks that answer the given topics... and (with permission of course) gives that info out to people asking about topic ;) [not that I know how to make one...]
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11:17<grove>el_es: What good would that be? You shouldn't direct questions to specific users anyway
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11:20<el_es>grove: could give info when that user was last seen, for example
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11:20<el_es>grove: maybe, not with concrete nick, ok
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11:21<el_es>but, say, something 'come back at [time], someone might be here to answer your question, last time seen was [time]'
11:22<el_es>grove: maybe also detecting user asking hello? a lot ;)
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11:25<da2>el_es: why remembering good answers and giving it to the guy asking ? :)
11:25<da2>"why not"**
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11:26<el_es>da2: for me, appropriate google keywords probably would do ;)
11:26<da2>el_es: yes; if u come to IRC, u should have googled before :)
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11:27<da2>el_es: you made me think of a kind of small IRC google bot ^^ Associating questions with best past answers
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11:28<el_es>da2: well take my example then... I guess the principle of 'i don't know the answer, so I just sit still' applies still ;)
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11:28<el_es>or was my question(s) too vague ;)
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11:29<da2>no that give me idea ^^
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11:29<el_es>yay :)
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11:29<da2>el_es: but maybe it already exists
11:30*el_es #debian, living community dream since ... how long ? ;)
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11:30<da2>el_es: But I would have fun developping a bot doing this
11:30*el_es is pleased ;) credit is yours ;)
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11:30<da2>I go look if I found an existing bot like this
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11:31<el_es>i mean IF you get to write it and have fun doing it, all credit to you ;)
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11:33<el_es>since I have no #fu in anything IRC-bot related ;) I might have sparked an idea but the idea, is yours ;)
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11:35<da2>el_es: I find nothing actually, but I'm not a big irc user. I think about it cause the idea seduces me, but I'm not sure it would be "usable". Cause you would need to say to the bot what was the question and the good answer, for weeks, before it begin usefull. Maybe that need too much interactions with the bot.
11:36<el_es>da2: other idea, but would require greater involvement from potential people who know answers...
11:37<el_es>da2: they could register with the bot
11:37<el_es>da2: give it keywords to look for
11:37<stoned>el_es, that's why we have had the factoid bot for ages
11:37<SynrG>offtopic. also, sounds like a terrible idea. :p
11:38<SynrG>so please, #debian-offtopic if you want to explore the idea more
11:38<da2>ok SynrG
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11:38<SynrG>what was the last actual support question? i can no longer see it ...
11:38<stoned>While not fully offtopic, it should be directed to #debian-bots perhaps?
11:39<el_es>SynrG, stoned : how often am I allowed to repeat my question verbatim before I'm kicked...? ;)
11:39<stoned>I'm not sure if -bots if for ideas, but you can try.
11:39<stoned>el_es, just be a normal person.
11:39<stoned>You'll be fine.
11:39<SynrG>el_es: you're welcome to re-ask it now, since we don't remember
11:39<SynrG>yes, or as wil wheaton says, "don't be a dick"
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11:40<stoned>I'm binge wathing TNG again or the billionth time.
11:40<stoned>Hehe, he said that? When/
11:40<stoned>Oh. I totally ... nm.
11:40<el_es>meh ;) pleasure to talk when someone actually listens. my question about RAID may be a bit vague but here goes again...
11:40<stoned>That's oh that is him. Man. SynrG you got me good.
11:41<stoned>el_es, ask and ye shall receive
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11:41<el_es>I have 3 disks. 72G each. Debian-installer guided partitioning split it into 10 / 2.4 / 60 ish G ... then I joined it with mdraid Linux RAID10
11:42<el_es>it works
11:42<el_es>it boots (I then ran grub-install to ensure grub is in BR of each disk)
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11:42<el_es>question is, any pitfalls or why should I not do that ? :)
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11:43<el_es>google finds hints either way ;)
11:43<SynrG>you said you worried that it wouldn't survive the failure of a single disk
11:44<jjjasper>3-disk RAID10?
11:44<jjjasper>it will not survive failure of a single disk if it's the wrong disk :)
11:45<el_es>not worried, only that it can survive ;)
11:45<jjjasper>are you actually running raid10 on 3 disks?
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11:45<stoned>what is that a mirror striped?
11:45<stoned>3? How?
11:45<stoned>How is that even possible?
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11:46<jjjasper>by speccing a missing disk?
11:46<stoned>I don't even know.
11:46<stoned>I'm dumb when it comes to that stuff.
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11:47<jjjasper>theoretically it should be possible
11:47<jjjasper>el_es: what does your /proc/mdstat show?
11:48<jjjasper>(upload somewhere pastebin-y)
11:48<stoned>btw, guys, how to paste directly to from cli?
11:48<stoned>I currently pipe my stuff through a alias in bash
11:48<stoned>I'd like to use PDO
11:48<grove>Linux' mdraid has a non-standard definition of RAID10, it basically just means data is stored twice and multiple discs are used
11:48<stoned>alias sprunge='curl -F "sprunge=<-"'
11:49<el_es>brb ;)
11:49<dpkg>pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b" or configure pastebinit to use something other than To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
11:49<stoned>I could I guess use curl to post to but is there a ready made program in debian that does this?
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11:50<stoned>msg dpkg !pastebinit config
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11:52<el_es>jjjasper: by all means it seems to show what it should...
11:52<stoned><jabberid></jabberid> <- what's this then?
11:52*el_es goes to log on to the box again
11:52<jjjasper>el_es: a 3-disk raid 10 array is a degraded array
11:52<stoned>hunh. What is a xmpp im thingy
11:53<jjjasper>if you want to use 3 disks, use RAID5 or RAID1 with spare
11:53<stoned>so it's like an IRC/ICQ type chat thingy?
11:53<grove>el_es: The most important thing to be aware is probably that it's not a standard RAD10 setup (which would mean a RAID 0 of RAID1's). I've never really cared, but I think md tries to store the two copies on different discs, so it should survive any one disc failing,
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11:53<stoned>Attackers might be trying to steal your information from (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID
11:53<el_es>excerpt ....
11:53<el_es>md2 : active raid10 sdb6[1] sda6[0] sdc6[2]
11:53<stoned>Oh, seriously. I'm not even worried about it anymore.
11:54<el_es>88235520 blocks super 1.2 512K chunks 2 near-copies [3/3] [UUU]
11:54<stoned>They can't even keep their certs up to date, seems like something I may not want to mess with
11:54<el_es>i've 3 partitions like that
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11:54<stoned>Well, whatever. I don't need no jabbing jabber.
11:54<jjjasper>grove: but in this case, if the "single disk" part of the array fails, you're screwed
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11:55<jjjasper>grove: there's a disk missing from the start here
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11:55<jjjasper>so one 'leg' of md1's is degraded
11:55<jjjasper>s/md1's/raid1 set
11:56<stoned>brand, cat on keyboard?
11:56<jjjasper>assuming 2 raid1's were made into a raid10
11:56<brand>okay thx
11:56<el_es>jjjasper: as far as I read, it's not a raid1+0 in this sense
11:56<el_es>it's a 'linux/mdraid RAID10'
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11:58<grove>jjjasper: I don't think there is a "single disc". With md's raid 10, there isn't two layer's of raid, but just the md driver storing two copies of everything on the discs, giving a capacity of ~50% of the sum of the disc sizes, I think it even to some degree supports discs of different sizes)
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11:59<el_es>grove: that is what I found so far,
11:59<jjjasper>RAID 10 – Take a number of RAID 1 mirrorsets and stripe across them RAID 0 style. Note that RAID 10 is distinct from RAID 0+1, which consists of a top-level RAID 1 mirror composed of high-performance RAID 0 stripes directly across the physical hard disks
12:00<jjjasper>so "real" raid10 is possible
12:00<jjjasper>and "mdraid raid10"
12:00<jjjasper>which in this case could survive 1 disk failure if I'm right
12:00<el_es>jjjasper: :)
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12:00<jjjasper>so this is "mdraid raid10"
12:01<el_es>jjjasper: yes
12:01<jjjasper>should be fine then unless I'm mistaken
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12:02<el_es>i sort of sought assurance of someone working such setup ;) but it's reassuring anyway ;)
12:02<el_es>[heh not for blame/credit game ofc, just for my own mind peace]
12:03<jjjasper>meh, 3 disks I'd go for raid5 or raid1 with hotspare
12:03<grove>Personally I'd probably prefer to do a raid5 of those discs, because it's more standard, but that setup probably has some advantages (I guess performance)
12:03<jjjasper>raid5 should be sane on those smaller disks
12:03<jjjasper>then again, try failing a drive, see what happens
12:04<el_es>yay stresstests \o/ ;)
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12:05<el_es>ok. can I have another one... this time of LXC. because that's what I want this server to do...
12:05<el_es>having the partitions as above, i now have 14G on /, and 84G on /home
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12:06<el_es>I read the debian wiki on LXC... and some other page (
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12:07<el_es>is it me or I can't really change /where/ lxc-create creates the rootfs for guest system?
12:07<el_es>having it placed on the /home partition would really help
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12:08<el_es>right now, after the minimal netinstall + dist-upgrade to jessie-backports, I have /dev/md0 14G 1.3G 12G 10% /
12:09<el_es>and I need at least 2 if not 3 guests, optimally, probably 4
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12:11<el_es>so if anyone has containers knowledge, I'll appreciate ;)
12:12<jjjasper>To be fair, I'd reconsider the setup you have
12:12<jjjasper>as default partitioning might not be the best for you here
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12:13<el_es>jjjasper: but all in one / partition probably isn't a good idea either ? ;)
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12:13<jjjasper>depending on use case it really wouldn't
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12:15<el_es>jjjasper: that's why I came to ask here, where the source of knowledge is ;)
12:15<jjjasper>you sure you want to use lxc anyway?
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12:16<el_es>well... right now I have 4 separate boxes with 3 different OS's that together have less bogomips than that server that is to replace them
12:16<el_es>some os's are seriously ood and eol
12:17<el_es>others run on hw that is seriously ood and eol
12:17<jjjasper>as in
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12:18<jjjasper>say, why lxc and not kvm
12:18<jjjasper>btw, I guess you could map lvm partitions to your containers
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12:18<jjjasper>then again, I hate containers
12:18<dpkg>alfonso: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi per saperne di più.
12:18<el_es>kvm needs entire new image (including kernel) right?
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12:19<el_es>and I only have these 3 disks ;) that I need to use for (at least immediate layer) of fileserver storage...
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12:20<el_es>as well as system disks of whatever runs
12:20<jjjasper>meh that really isn't much
12:21<jjjasper>stock OS install barely does any data
12:21<jjjasper>and with lvm you can start with small partitions and grow later on
12:21<jjjasper>check out proxmox pve for that matter, debian-based distro (but guess unsupported here)
12:22<el_es>i was a bit afraid of lvm... because I did not use it for anything yet and it seems to have a steep learning c... or maybe that's just me
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12:22<jjjasper>that's just you
12:22<jjjasper>to be fair
12:22<el_es>ok ;)
12:22<el_es>i'll
12:22<jjjasper>the things you are trying to achieve now with a wonky setup at best
12:22<jjjasper>would give you less safety
12:22<jjjasper>than a sane lvm setup with proper virtualization
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12:23<jjjasper>really, check out pve if you're not fully sure how to manage things
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12:23<el_es>my time's running out, gotta go... taken note of pve, thanks!
12:23<el_es>will research
12:23*el_es must really really go
12:24<jjjasper>makes lxc easier as well btw
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12:42<timmc>I upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie and now I can't mount FAT32. `modprobe vfat` gives me "modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'vfat': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)"; dmesg has nothing to say.
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12:45<Maulkin>timmc: Sounds like something wrong with a kernel module - what does 'uname -a' say?
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12:45<timmc>Linux timmcbox 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u6 (2015-11-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux
12:45<timmc>This is the only recent reference I've found online, and the diagnostic steps all match other than kernel version:
12:45<Maulkin>And ls -l /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/fs/fat/ please?
12:46<Maulkin>Nope, with the -l :)
12:46<Maulkin>Or just md5sum them?
12:47<timmc>I still need to run the debsums check...
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12:47<Maulkin>Odd. Those match my timestamps...
12:48<timmc>I also tried reinstalling the package.
12:48<Maulkin>timmc: anything if you try and "sudo modprobe vfat" ?
12:48<timmc>Hmm... it's possible that it is now fixed if I restart. I don't have a full dir listing from before the reinstall.
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12:49<timmc>Still fails.
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12:49<timmc>If I add --verbose I see "insmod /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/fs/fat/fat.ko" so it's going to the right place.
12:49<Maulkin>Any more useful error messgaes (like from libkmod) ?
12:49<timmc>(I did have another kernel installed, but I've since removed that one.)
12:50<Maulkin>timmc: What's the full output of the modprobe, and then dmesg | tail?
12:50<timmc>Where would libkmod errors show up?
12:51<Maulkin>Interleaved in the modprobe
12:52<timmc>Interesting! *This* time I get stuff in dmesg. Lemme paste...
12:52<Maulkin>Also, could you show me what commands you're running? You shouldn't usually need to specify a "-t"
12:52<Maulkin>(to mount)
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12:53<timmc>I was relying on automount. I can try a CLI mount.
12:53<Maulkin>timmc: I may need a bit more dmesg, can you try tail -50?
12:54<Maulkin>timmc: Aha. This seems to be
12:54<judd>Bug in mount (closed): «mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'»; severity: important; opened: 2015-12-19; last modified: 2015-12-23.
12:55<Maulkin>timmc: basically, reboot and it should all be fine
12:55<timmc>Oh yeah, that appears to be it, thank you!
12:55<Maulkin>Not a problem!
12:55<timmc>Hah, really? I'll give it a shot.
12:56<timmc>How would I have found that through the bug search tool? I tried a search for any bugs in that package containing "fat" in the subject.
12:56<timmc>(and vfat)
12:57<Maulkin>timmc: I googled for "Unknown symbol __bread_gfp"
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12:57<timmc>*nod* What's weird is I wasn't seeing that in dmesg before, so all I had was the modprobe error message.
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12:58<Maulkin>#debian tech support:
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12:59<timmc>I see I followed that to a T. :-P
13:00<timmc>Thanks again!
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13:10<timmc>A reboot worked. >_< "Have you tried turning it off and on again, since you haven't done that in a month?"
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13:27<Maulkin>timmc: Awesome, glad to hear
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13:36<timmc>Linux has made me so complacent about that. Usually I only reboot for kernel and libc upgrades. :-P
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13:36<timmc>(Luckily, those happen frequently enough that I don't forget my encrypted FS passphrase...)
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13:44<finster>hello there. I've got a custom debian package repository and would like to replace the signing key of the repo with a newer one? how would I go with this? suggestions welcome, as well as redirects to more appropriate channels.
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13:51<stoned>building xmobar from cabal-debian
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14:42<kaizoku>stoned: no love for dzen?
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15:12<stoned>kaizoku, I'm having trouble to setup xmovar or dzen. I'm trying to understand how it all fits together
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15:13<kaizoku>yea I had to steal someone's config
15:13<kaizoku>to alter my dzen2 spawning stuff
15:14<stoned>These are my current configs
15:14<kaizoku>oh, yep
15:14<stoned>I still need to learn how to do layouts/worksapces in xonad
15:14<stoned>I can't seem to get xmobar vieweable
15:14<stoned>I run it and it never shows up
15:15<kaizoku>you should have 10 workspaces by default
15:15<kaizoku>from defaultConfig
15:15<stoned>9 I think
15:15<stoned>I have 6 monitors
15:15<kaizoku>er, right
15:15<stoned>I want like 4 workspaces for each
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15:15<stoned>I'm looking your layout
15:15<stoned>Thanks a lot for a great example
15:16<kaizoku>no problem
15:16<kaizoku>i built that little by little over a long period of time
15:16<stoned>Maybe you can how me your dzen2 config
15:16<stoned>Yeah, I really appreciate your hard work
15:16<stoned>Thank you
15:16<kaizoku>ah, the config for dzen2 is just in the flags
15:17<kaizoku>in the very last line
15:17<stoned>I dunno it then. I'l have to read the manpage later for dnez
15:17<kaizoku>I am running 2 instances though
15:17<kaizoku>the one spawned here by xmonad just shows workspaces and the title name
15:17<kaizoku>I run another which is right justified, showing battery, temperature, and date
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15:18<stoned>I have 2 1080p and 4x 19" vertical WS monitors
15:18<stoned>I wonder if you can have like a vertical sidebar of dzen or xmobar for 1080p monitors
15:18<stoned>And a horizontal top/bottom bar (normal) for the vertical monitors
15:18<stoned>or is everything just horizontal by default?
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15:20<kaizoku>ah, dzen is horizontal by default
15:20<kaizoku>for me, it only shows on my primary monitor
15:20<kaizoku>other monitors have no statusbar
15:20<kaizoku>but that's adjustable with dzen
15:20<kaizoku>with the -xs flag
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15:28<finster>what would be an appropriate debian related channel to ask questions regarding package repository setup?
15:28<kaizoku>try here finster
15:28<kaizoku>i may be able to help you
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15:29<finster>kaizoku: i asked the question already twice today and would rather not molest the channel with asking it a 3rd time
15:30<finster>kaizoku: but, here you go: I've got a custom debian package repository and would like to replace the signing key of the repo with a newer one? how would I go with this?
15:30<kaizoku>how did you build this repo?
15:30<kaizoku>by hand?
15:31<finster>with reprepro
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15:31<tomnux>Does debian sign individual deb packages with the gpg key?
15:31<kaizoku>ah good
15:31<kaizoku>ther'es a way to re-sign stuff with reprepro iirc
15:31<kaizoku>but it's been a couple years, let me kook this up
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15:32<finster>tomnux: indirectly, yes. there is a signed release file and a packages file
15:32<tomnux>I am looking at this and it is so many steps just to verify a package signature!
15:32<kaizoku>finster: Have you tried changing the key in your config, and then running "export" again?
15:33<finster>tomnux: yes, that's right. it's because of the way the repository/packages are signed
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15:34<finster>kaizoku: let me quickly create a backup of the repository....
15:34<kaizoku>tomnux: you shouldn't need to manual verify them often
15:34<kaizoku>apt will take care of it most of the time
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15:35<tomnux>Can Debian start signing packages similar to how Fedora does? So they can be checked more easily especially to prevent mitm attacks, if a person downloads them manually from the mirrors.
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15:36<tomnux>i.e. a simple task of rpm --checksig package
15:37<kaizoku>I don't think those instructions are complete
15:37<kaizoku>they don't even instruct you to verify the gpg signature
15:38<kaizoku>oh sorry, they do
15:39<finster>tomnux: oh, if you define the fact that the repository is not compromised and you only want to verify the checksums of a single pacakge you can use the debsums binary
15:39<tomnux>I downloaded many packages a long time ago like this: apt-get upgrade -d -o=dir::cache=/root/updatesAug16 then now I made a localrepo using dpkg-scanpackages . | gzip -9c > Packages.gz
15:40<tomnux>so they have a mix of "stable" "stable-updates" and "security"
15:40<finster>kaizoku: nope, export doesn't do the trick
15:41<kaizoku>finster: debsums verifies that the files on disk match the packages checksums saved in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums.
15:41<kaizoku>it does not verify that the packages installed were not altered prior to installtaion
15:42<finster>kaizoku: yes, that's what debsums does
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15:44<kaizoku>ah, sorry, now that i think about it, the packages are signed as included
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15:45<kaizoku>when I was using it i had an ugly script to for PKG in *.deb; do reprepro includedeb ...
15:45<kaizoku>and that's when the package signing is performed
15:45<finster>kaizoku: i've done that so far, too...
15:45<finster>like, --includedeb foo bar baz
15:45<kaizoku>haha yeah
15:45<kaizoku>have you tried re-running that?
15:45<kaizoku>and including the packages again?
15:46<finster>maybe i should study the reprepro manpage once more.
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15:46<finster>that's my plan b: pull all files from the current packages files , stuff them into a directory, and feed that into reprepro again
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15:47<finster>but I thought people smarter than me invented a better way ;)
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15:47<kaizoku>reprepro is great for it's intended use case
15:47<kaizoku>but I haven't found it to be especially versatile
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15:49<tomnux>what is the command to list old packages in a given directory? something similar to repomanage --old . | xargs rm
15:49<finster>tomnux: what are old packages?
15:50<tomnux>old updates
15:50<kaizoku>i think you're looking for `apt-get autoclean`
15:50<tomnux>which are superseded by new ones
15:50<finster>or even apt-get clean
15:50<kaizoku>clean will remove all cached packages though
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15:53<finster>i'll call it a day for now. thanks for your help kaizoku
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15:55<kaizoku>no problem
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15:56<maxell>hey I want to install debian on my powermac g4 quicksilver 2002
15:56<maxell>where is the link for that
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15:56<maxell> seems to be just an info page or something
15:56<maxell>where do I download the actual iso
15:57<adb> ?
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15:58<kaizoku>adb devices
15:58<kaizoku>adb shell
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15:58<maxell>arch [linux] destroyal boyz
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16:00<jelly>maxell: -> (Getting Debian) Network install -> powerpc
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16:02<jelly>probably no reason to use the testing installer, it's not like that's the latest hardware
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16:11<GIS_newbie>hi there
16:11<GIS_newbie>sorry to disturb. I am looking for a help channel regarding debian jessie.
16:11<blast007>GIS_newbie: then you found it :)
16:11<mtn>you found it
16:11<grove>On my old laptop running wheezy I had (probably still have) a setup where I could log in as my ordinary user, and run skype as another (dedicated to running skype) user. Now I'm trying to make the same set up on my new laptop (which runs jessie). Skype works if I log in as my skype user, but if I login as myself and use the same commands as I used on the old laptop, I get 'Failed to create secure directory (/run/user/3001/pulse): Permission denied' ...
16:11<grove>... everytime skype tried to make a sound. So either I have forgotten something (likely) or something has changed. Can anybody help me?
16:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:17<da2>Is it normal that there is no man page for shift command ?
16:18<da2>(Debian 8)
16:18<grove>da2: I don't have one either
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16:19<tomnux>kaizoku: gpgv --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/* '/home/q1/Desktop/Release' gpgv: verify signatures failed: unexpected data
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16:20<kaizoku>ls /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/* ?
16:21<tomnux>debian-archive-jessie-automatic.gpg debian-archive-jessie-security-automatic.gpg and debian-archive-jessie-stable.gpg
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16:21<tomasso>Hallo, I am running Debian jessie from usb key and I am booting it from UEFI. May I add booting also from legacy BIOS?
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16:22<tomnux>kaizoku: I downloaded the Release from here
16:22<kaizoku>ah yea, --keyring expects one argument only
16:23<kaizoku>and you'll need Release.gpg
16:23<kaizoku>it's trying to use one of the keyrings as the signature
16:23<kaizoku>but you have no signature
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16:23<kaizoku>gpgv --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-jessie-stable.gpg /home/q1/Desktop/Release{,.gpg}
16:23<kaizoku>gpgv --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-jessie-stable.gpg /home/q1/Desktop/Release /home/q1/Desktop/Release.gpg
16:24<grove>Okay, my problem is not skype-related. A little easier: When logged in as myself (grove, uid 3001) I would like to be able to run programs playing sound as a different user, but I get some 'Failed to create secure directory (/run/user/3001/pulse): Permission denied' errors, why?
16:24<tomasso>It is working from debian netinst... anybody? :)
16:25<ompaul>grove: contention between users
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16:25<ompaul>that's almost 100% certain - i.e. one party owns the audio to check this
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16:26<ompaul>grove: to check this, do the following (if you have the likes of skype in the mix then a restart of the session may be in order)
16:26<ompaul>grove: start a session fire up the program you want as that user
16:27<ompaul>then make sure it is turned off (and don't start skype)
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16:27<ompaul>something like a music player of some local mp3 / ogg / flac
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16:27<ompaul>then close that program
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16:27<ompaul>open a terminal and type the following ssh -X otherusernamegoeshere@localhost player-name
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16:28<ompaul>making sure that the two users can see a flac ogg mp3 file
16:28<GIS_newbie>ok. thx. sorry for that huge delay. Glad to have found the right channel ;)
16:28<ompaul>at that point you should be able to hear both files - if you continue that until you find two programs that get in each others way
16:28<GIS_newbie>I'd like to ask some problem related questions. Here's the paste: First of all, anyone an idea?
16:29<ompaul>GIS_newbie: well ... given that pastebin is a spam location every answer after the first one should be pasted into
16:30<GIS_newbie>@ompaul, ok. sry
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16:30<tomnux>kaizoku: thanks. was able to verify the Release file. now onto checking the .deb files :)
16:32<ompaul>!dont break debian
16:32<dpkg>well, dont break debian is
16:32<ompaul>GIS_newbie: ^^ please read that - basically that application did something we don't know about 0on your machine when you dist-upgraded
16:32<ompaul>GIS_newbie: you could if you felt like it go back to the log files for apt
16:32<ompaul>and slowly work out all the stuff it did and undo it
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16:33<GIS_newbie>ok. howto?
16:33<GIS_newbie>Here would be the debian paste:
16:33<ompaul>those logs live in /var/log/apt/
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16:34<ompaul>GIS_newbie: you can't assume that repos you see on the internet are harmless you should suspect them :-(
16:35<GIS_newbie>good advice. I might change that later on. i am truly a newbie
16:35<ompaul>GIS_newbie: please read the web page suggested above I want to dig around that site for a few minutes
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16:39<ompaul>GIS_newbie: so here is the crux of the problem.
16:40<ompaul>you installed (or your repo) tried to install the version for SID (I'm guessing here because it has a high version number) higher than the sid version available natively on debian
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16:40<ompaul>this has libraries not for jessie
16:40<GIS_newbie>sry, got it
16:41<ompaul>so now you have a frankendebian please type after the arrows directly in this channel
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16:41<ompaul>>> !frankendebian
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16:41<GIS_newbie>>> !frankendebian
16:41<ompaul>no do not use >>
16:42<grove>ompaul: I'm afraid your describtion is not totally clear to me. But you made me try using ssh to fire up the program as the other user, and then sound works. I.e. I now have a situation where 'ssh -X user@localhost program' can play sound, but 'su user -c "program"' can't. I would like to save the extra overhead of ssh
16:42<ompaul>grove: well ... ssh has almost zero local overhead you are not o na network
16:43<ompaul>GIS_newbie: >> is not involved but ! is
16:43<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
16:44<ompaul>GIS_newbie: my strong suggestion is back up your home partition clean install and stick to things in the repo
16:45<ompaul>you might clean it but you could be at it for hours whereas a clean install ... well it is clean andyou can install the local package for jessie without having to pull in suspect (and rightly so in this case
16:45<ompaul>) as they turned out to be
16:45<grove>ompaul: It's bound to have some, but maybe ssh is the better solution (it will likely be needed in the next step towards isolating the problem)
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16:46<GIS_newbie>well , I feared that... simply purge/remove wont work.. alright
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16:46<ompaul>grove under linux you will that sound is a mess, you can spend time learning about it so you can understand the problem but it is basically you are going to have to learn more than I can be bothered about with audi
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16:46<ompaul>audio even
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16:47<GIS_newbie>nevertheless, thx a lot!
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16:48<ompaul>GIS_newbie: well at least you learned that all that glitters is not gold, people who write packages may not always be right, and debian has a lot of stuff even if it is not the latest
16:48<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
16:49<ompaul>GIS_newbie: stable is called stable for a reason, where there are security issues there tends to be a fix put into the older packages
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16:50<GIS_newbie>ompaul: true. at least something gained: knowledge
16:51<ompaul>GIS_newbie: apt-cache search gis will give you some interesting results on jessie and please read that page
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17:15<mordecky>già haha
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17:55<tomnux>kaizoku: Where do I download the Release and Release.gpg for security repo from?
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17:56<tomnux>And then after downloading that I would need to download the Packages file
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17:57<kaizoku>tomnux: apt-get will perform these checks for you
17:57<kaizoku>how come you are downloading and verifying manually ?
17:57<kaizoku>can you even import a Release from the local disk?
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17:59<tomnux>kaizoku: I want to make sure the deb files I have already downloaded are the correct ones without redownloading all of them again.
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18:00<tomnux>as I want to to install them on different machines/vms
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18:01<kaizoku>Release.gpg will be alongside the Release
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18:01<kaizoku>which is in the repo
18:01<kaizoku>i don't remember the eact format
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18:02<tomnux>But the Release file will be different for each repo? 1 for main, 1 for main-updates, and 1 for security?
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18:03<tomnux> <==main <== updates ; cannot find security?
18:03<kaizoku>security has it's own mirror
18:03<tomnux>Whats the url?
18:04<tomnux>right now I get redirected to
18:04<tomnux>I can't download the Release and Release.gpg from there
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18:06<tomnux>kaizoku: thanks. now off to download the Packages file and then check the individial deb files ;)
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19:00<sleser>is it ok to install newer wine then the repo has for jessie ?
19:00<sleser>like install it from wine site
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19:02<bremner>sleser: it's up to you. Probably debian people won't be able to help you much with it.
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19:06<sleser>all im asking if its ok to so in future i dont have problem with debian system over new wine
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19:10<slabity>Hey guys, is there a way in the installer to use /boot as my ESP instead of /boot/efi?
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19:12<bremner>sleser: ok, I can't tell you anything in general about packages that aren't from Debian. But maybe someone else has experience with wine.
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19:13<kaizoku>sleser: you can run wine without installing it globally
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19:18<da2>sleser: package names are different, wine, wine-development, wine-devel... So no problem with official wine updates
19:18<da2>official Debian* updates
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19:19<sleser>shows that wine development is installed
19:20<sleser>wine virsion in terminal shows 1.6.2
19:20<da2>I just had a problem with winetricks searching for wine and not wine-development (cause I was trying some stuffs with multiple versions), so I just resintalled winetricks and it did it
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19:21<da2>you can also install it wfrom backports to have 1.7.52
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19:22<Brigo>sleser, what do you need wine for?
19:22<da2>sleser: or from wine deb repository to have 1.9 (I don't know how stable it is)
19:23<Brigo>,v wine
19:23<judd>Package: wine on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-20; sid: 1.6.2-22; sid: 1.8-1; stretch: 1.8-1
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19:26<sleser>playing mafia2
19:26<sleser>the damn thing wont recodnise the gamepad wine recodnises it so does debian
19:26<sleser>folks at wine says i should try new virsion of wine maby it can solv problem
19:26<da2>sleser: for a game, I would try the development staging version
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19:27<da2>so you're sure you have all chances to make it work :)
19:28<Brigo>sleser, use playonlinux
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19:29<Brigo>sleser, it will install the game -from your media- and the correct version or wine and configure it.
19:29<sleser>gamepad will work ?
19:30<da2>does gamepad works in Linux ?
19:30<Brigo>sleser, i don't know, ask the playonlinux guys
19:31<da2>do you have a driver for the gamepad ?
19:31<sleser>wine and linux recodnises it
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20:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
20:59<Newbie>anybody here?
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21:41<abner>Can I throw out a question regarding how to get my mouse to work properly
21:42<dvs>abner: no, we hate mice! ;-)
21:43<abner>i am hating mine right now because i have to unplug and replug it for it to work, so i feel your pain. aside from that i had to pull a dead one out my drain pipe yesterday.
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21:57<D3riko>nothing happens here
21:57<BackOne>esta abandonado
21:57<D3riko>pode cre
21:57<D3riko>nada acontece
21:57<BackOne>asi es
21:58<BackOne>con tantos conectados
21:58<BackOne>puros bots
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22:02<BackOne>alguien por ahi
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22:03<D3riko>mais um bot
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22:05<BackOne>what are you from?
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22:07<slabity>Is there no way to change the default ESP mountpoint in the debian installer?
22:07<abrotman>Do you need help with Debian? This is a support channel
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22:08<slabity>I'd like to change the ESP mountpoint to /boot instead of /boot/efi, as I need the kernel and initrd in the ESP for Xen, but I'm struggling trying to figure out how to do so in the installer
22:09<slabity>Would it be better off to just install it like normal and manually move everything later and change the fstab? Or will that break things?
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22:38<Obelio>If I right click a zip file, i do not get the context menu for "Extract here..." how do I get it to work like that?
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22:44<Arcade>Obelio, are you using gnome 3?
22:45<Obelio>Arcade, Yes, I am trying by installing file-roller, will that work?
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22:45<Arcade>Obelio, yes.
22:47<Arcade>you might try also installing zip and unzip
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23:00<ruach>msg alis list *macintosh*
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23:55<Luticus>hi, if I compiled a package for Debain stable and testing on amd64 using pbuilder and wanted to share my work so other could benefit if they so choose, where would be the best place to share said packages? Not sure if they meet whatever quality standards or whatever yet, I'm kind of new to trying to do it the official way.
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