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00:11<brandnewbian>I have a dell laptop with optimus video card switching. Whats an easy way to tell which video card im currently using?
00:12<Arcade>brandnewbian, try #lspci
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00:16<brandnewbian>ty Arcade. I understand there are open source and proprietary drivers for nvidia cards. which driver is best to use under debian 8?
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00:17<Arcade>I happened to use Version 340.65 brandnewbian
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00:18<brandnewbian>Arcade: is there a good guide to use for installing nvidia drivers? I have quadro 2000.
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00:18<dpkg>Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on
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00:19<Arcade>!nvidia dkms
00:19<dpkg>For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
00:20<brandnewbian>Arcade: youre using the prop driver?
00:20<Arcade>take a look at the first link scroll down to Version 340.65
00:21<Arcade>right now using the dkms driver
00:22<Arcade>I may look into updating to using the site installer soon
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00:23<Arcade>I know it works on Fedora have yet to try debian brandnewbian I know the dkms driver works
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00:32<brandnewbian>Arcade: reading through that link but im confused, where do i download the driver from? the version on nvdias site is this one: 352.62
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00:34<Arcade>brandnewbian, are you going to use dkms or nvidia pro?
00:36<brandnewbian>id rather use the open source one?
00:36<Arcade>look at:
00:36<Arcade>find Version 340.65
00:37<Arcade>1. Add "contrib" and "non-free" components to /etc/apt/sources.list, for example:
00:37<Arcade>follow all four steps
00:37<jm_>if you want to use opensource one (nouveau) then you don't do that
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00:38<Arcade>right ^
00:39<brandnewbian>ok wait i see the info on installing the nvidia one
00:39<brandnewbian>i think i need to use it cuz i gotta install bumblebee next...
00:39<brandnewbian>im running on the intel card now
00:40<jm_>then yes you do
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00:41<Arcade>jm_, do you happen to know if debian will update the dkms driver
00:41<brandnewbian>ok thanks guys lemme do some reading
00:42<jm_>Arcade: what exactly do you mean with that?
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00:44<Arcade>Version 340.65 vs Version 352.55
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00:49<jm_>,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms
00:49<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.125-1; wheezy-proposed-updates/non-free: 304.131-1; jessie/non-free: 340.65-2; jessie-backports/non-free: 340.93-8~bpo8+1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie-proposed-updates/non-free: 340.96-1; stretch/non-free: 340.96-3; sid/non-free:
00:49<judd>340.96-3; experimental/non-free: 352.63-1
00:49<jm_>the newer one might show up in backports one day
00:51<Arcade>ok. the dkms works for me fine. tried using noveau and it crashes every 20 min thanks
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00:53<jm_>you could backport it yourself too if you really needed newer version - I have done that several times and it was pretty easy each time
00:55<Arcade>yeah could do. Possibly next week I need to figure out why the nouveau driver crashes.
00:56<jm_>for that one try the newer kernel first
00:56<Arcade>It works fine under the new Fedora so looking for changes there
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01:00<brandnewbian>am i gonna have to Create an Xorg server configuration file if I install bumblebee?
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01:01<jm_> says no
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01:04<brandnewbian>ty jm_
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01:36<nutron>Where can I find live boot images for wheezy?
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01:40<Arcade>nutron, only install I see is:
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01:40<Arcade> shows nothing
01:41<nutron>Arcade: thanks, I managed to uncover it somehow...
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02:01<gryps>what's the recommended way to get a newer kernel image in debian jessie?
02:01<gryps>i have seen that there is none in jessie-backports
02:01<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-rc6-686-pae (4.4~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-5); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-2); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u6~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u1)
02:01<jm_>there is
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02:07<gryps>jm_: ok, now i'm a bit puzzled ... didn't give me any result
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02:08<Hydroxide>gryps: your search gives me a pretty descriptive error message
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02:08<Hydroxide>gryps: which is different than saying none exist
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02:08<Hydroxide>gryps: try e.g.
02:09<gryps>Hydroxide: ok, thx
02:11<jm_>or just use apt instead if bpo is in its sources
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04:58<nutron>Is there a filesystems channel? At leas where someone with expertise can guide me?
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05:00<SynrG>what are you trying to accomplish? and is it on debian?
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05:09<SynrG>nutron: we could probably direct you better if we knew what you were trying to do, either providing assistance here or getting you to the right place for help. i don't know of a general filesystems channel, no. that sounds a bit broad to be a thing
05:10<nutron>Yes on debian, fsck.jfs segfaults on a filesystem and I'm wondering how to recover here...
05:10<nutron>it won't mount as it's marked dirty
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05:19<SynrG>nutron: that's a user support question. there is a developer's channel, but that's not what you need
05:20<SynrG>(i googled, and found there is #linuxfs ... the channel topic explicitly says it's not for support)
05:20<SynrG>it's to discuss the development of filesystems for linux
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05:21<Nemoder>perhaps try to get a backtrace and submit a bugreport?
05:22<nutron>yeah, as a user, I simply want to know my options.
05:22<SynrG>and/or seek upstream help forum for jfs. there is probably a vanishingly small user community here
05:22<SynrG>if not population 1 ;)
05:23<SynrG>when i google, i find only very old reports of fsck.jfs segfaults
05:23<nutron>Yep, same thing I ran into.
05:23<SynrG>perhaps with a time filter ...
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05:24<SynrG>but yeah, look for an upstream bug tracker, forum, whatever.
05:24<SynrG>and filing a bug is not a bad idea
05:25<nutron>indeed, right now I'm trying to figure out if I'm restoring from a backup, or if I can fix it and that's a time-limited decision
05:26<SynrG>don't rule out these suggestions as too slow. sometimes people are very responsive
05:26<SynrG>irc only gives you the illusion of getting help faster than anywhere else ;)
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08:57<DoomBoom>anyone here an apt-pro? I don't know what's going on. On Raspbian, trying to install owncloud. Both apt and aptitude keep wanting to install apache2 even though I have nginx and the package I want doesn't need apache:
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08:58<DoomBoom>aptitude even admits it doesn't know why it wants to install apache2 if I ask it why, when installing the owncloud package
08:58<Luticus>DoomBoom: I'd just use the owncloud package direct from the site. That's how I do my OC on a vm.
08:58<DoomBoom>Luticus, but my automatic updates ;_;
08:59<DoomBoom>thanks for mentioning though. If I get sick of trying to fix this I'll just do that
08:59<Luticus>ya but those updates will be behind. OC itself recommends you use their package
08:59<DoomBoom>Luticus, I use owncloud's packages from their repo
08:59<DoomBoom>I think that's part of the problem
08:59<Luticus>oh, that might be
08:59<Luticus>yea I just unzip the one from their site when I want to upgrade
08:59<DoomBoom>Raspbian's package has apache2 as a dependency, but owncloud's does not. Is this making apt go crazy?
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09:00<Luticus>shouldn't be, if you're using the one from ownclouds repo then the rules for that package should apply I'd think
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09:01<DoomBoom>apt-cache policy shows the owncloud repo ones are the "candidate", but it still wants to install apache2 with it
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09:01<DoomBoom>as in
09:01<DoomBoom>it's very strange to me
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09:02<DoomBoom>I even made a preferences file(at end) to put owncloud's priority up. Not sure if that's correct. I just read a bit of apt_preferences from the manual
09:02<Luticus>package owncloud depends on owncloud-server looks like, what does owncloud-server depend on?
09:02<DoomBoom>oh yeah
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09:04<Luticus>ya I don't see where it's getting apache from
09:06<DoomBoom>but wait, if I try to install owncloud-server it also tries to install apache2. Maybe the other package is a red herring. It's something else
09:06<Luticus>ya, I think that's the case
09:06<DoomBoom>... owncloud depends on php5 which depends on libapache2-mod-php5 which depends on apache2?
09:07<Luticus>I should hope not as php should be able to be used with nginx without apache I'd think
09:07<DoomBoom>or wait, maybe I need to install php for nginx manually so php doesn't try to install apache with it or something
09:07<DoomBoom>php5 says:
09:07<DoomBoom>Depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1~) | libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1~) | php5-cgi (>= 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1~) | php5-fpm (>= 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1~), php5-common (>= 5.6.14+dfsg-0+deb8u1~)
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09:08<Luticus>ya it's libapache2-mod-*
09:08<Luticus>that's what's pulling apache I'd bet
09:08<DoomBoom>packages madness
09:08<DoomBoom>thanks for talking about it with me, Luticus
09:09<Luticus>ya, no prob:D I'm pretty big into owncloud so it's of particular interest to me :)
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09:13<jar00t>can i ask about kali here?
09:13<el_es>jar00t: no ?
09:13<el_es>jjjasper: hello again...
09:13<jar00t>ok :(
09:14<jjjasper>el_es: lo
09:14<el_es>jjjasper: :)
09:14<el_es>jjjasper: i am reading on proxmox
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09:14<el_es>jjjasper: as you advised
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09:14<el_es>jjjasper: and I'm almost sold ;)
09:14<jjjasper>el_es: no support for that here though, even when it's debian-based
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09:15<el_es>jjjasper: but the containers/vms will be debian/standard ;)
09:15<Luticus>I'm using proxmox, it's pretty fantastic
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09:15<jjjasper>el_es: what I recommend though, since you run software raid (which they do not recommend), I'd suggest reinstalling the machine and having a large LVM pool for your VM's
09:15<Luticus>haven't tried 4.x though
09:15<el_es>Luticus: i'm all ears ;)
09:15<jjjasper>eg have 20G max for proxmox and do the rest in a PV
09:16<jjjasper>Luticus: 4 is fine
09:16<el_es>jjjasper: I am not totally sold on the LVM though :(
09:16<Luticus>ya I thought it would be, just haven't gotten around to upgrading my box yet :)
09:16<jjjasper>why not?
09:16<jjjasper>it's the only sane way of doing storage in your situation really
09:16<el_es>jjjasper: i am sure this is a very old argument, but it just seems to me like just another layer of indirection...
09:16<jjjasper>irrelevant argument really
09:17<el_es>ok... and another layer to remember settings of
09:17<jjjasper>with lvm you can directly allocate 'real' partition slices to vm's
09:17<jjjasper>instead of having a disk image
09:17<Luticus>LVM is much better to for it's flexability
09:17<jjjasper>well you can do disk images, no problem, just do a big / partition + swap and you are set
09:17<Luticus>flexibility *
09:17<el_es>it all sounds so nice it's hard to believe, that's probably what it is ;)
09:17<jjjasper>but LVM indeed is much more flexible
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09:18<Luticus>ya I've gotten to where I use it exclusively on all new Debian boxes.
09:19<Luticus>and it's not that hard to mess with once you kinda figure out what it's doing
09:19<jjjasper>all new whatever boxes, even ;)
09:19<jjjasper>with proxmox it's relatively easy
09:19<el_es>so in case Luticus wants to chime in... here is what I'm doing
09:19<el_es>I have exactly 3x 72GB 10k U320 HDDs
09:19<el_es>you probably can imagine where that comes from
09:20<Luticus>lol :)
09:20<el_es>2006 actually
09:20<el_es>but only have 67 spinups to date
09:20<el_es>which is pretty hmm ...
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09:21<el_es>not sure what to make of that but they seem to be in good shape
09:21<el_es>see, the reason why i originally wanted to omit tools like proxmox, is that I LOVE PURE DEBIAN ;)
09:22<el_es>(or rather I did not know about Proxmox)
09:22<jjjasper>el_es: might just have 67 spinups
09:22<jjjasper>but how many actual running hours?
09:22<jjjasper>you're making things so hard for yourself really
09:22<jjjasper>use the tool that fits you best
09:22<el_es>jjjasper: that's probably easy to check, holdon...
09:22<Luticus>ditto, I've thought about trying the openstack packages for that reason, but I fell in love with how easy proxmox is to use
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09:25<el_es>maunfactured in week 03 of year 2006
09:25<el_es>accumulated start-stop 81
09:25<el_es>errors all zero
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09:27<Luticus>el_es: my concern would be the capacity honestly, if you're gonna use em to hold vms even in a strip array it wouldn't net you much storage for os disks. How many vms are you thinking about running?
09:27<el_es>Luticus: i joined them (a bit brain-dead) into mdraid-Linux RAID10...
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09:28<el_es>i could still use the on board hw RAID make it RAID5 maybe
09:28<el_es>i am open to suggestions ;)
09:29<el_es>i imagine later I will acquire more disks, so yes, LVM will come handy
09:29<Luticus>ya, I would use lvm
09:29<Luticus>for sure
09:30<el_es>ah, i remember jjjasper asked this: why LXC not KVM... - because this machine SO FAR has 3GB RAM and 24k Bogomips
09:30<el_es>and is to replace 4 others that added together have LESS
09:30<jjjasper>don't bother with the performance difference
09:30<jjjasper>its like 2/3% max
09:30<el_es>and are from around same time
09:30<jjjasper>if you are replacing 'questionable' machines might be better to go for decent full virtualization instead of half assed containers
09:31<el_es>jjjasper: understood. and I get to run whatever kernel I actually want.
09:31<el_es>in each vm
09:31<jjjasper>well should be possible with containers
09:31<jjjasper>but gives headaches anyways
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09:32<el_es>i imagine, going to need plenty of swap
09:33<jjjasper>swap is extremely slow
09:33<jjjasper>quite honestly, why do you want to use such old hardware?
09:33<Luticus>ya I'm with jjjasper on that one
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09:34<el_es>one uses what one has :J the other boxes are actually refurbished desktop machines, this one is a full-blown server stuff
09:35<el_es>let's say, i can use it as a trampoline... if it goes good/ish, something better may be on the cards
09:35<umlaeute>how do i get all packages that 'Provide' a given pkg? i'm aware of but all solutions there seem to be overly cumbersome
09:35<el_es>but I need to prove I can manage this one
09:35<el_es>(to myself mostly)
09:35<el_es>'sides newer not always means better ;)
09:36<el_es>but in newer hw you already can get things like TPM, (U)EFI, and whatnot
09:37<Luticus>that makes sense. but 3gb ram and 3 76gb disks doesn't really give you a lot of capacity for vms so whatever you're doing you'll have to keep it small
09:37<el_es>Luticus: yeah, I understand :)
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09:37<el_es>Luticus: even if it works for 1-2 years with more RAM and more disks added, it'll do
09:38<el_es>^1-2 years more^
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09:38<Luticus>I'm running a 400Gb disk with 32GB ram per server in my set up
09:38<Luticus>I want to replace the disks with 500GB SSDs though
09:39<el_es>do you think I should go the 'extra mile' and configure the 3 disks I have into a HW RAID?
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09:40<el_es>I never used one before... though it seems to be still supported (mptspi module...)
09:40<el_es>(in kernel anyway)
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09:41<Luticus>well anything that doesn't maximize capacity in that case would leave you cramped but 3 older disks is already putting you at risk for a failure so what kind of raid would you choose is the question :)
09:43<el_es>Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI [1000:0030] yeah looks too old to be mentioned on some websites on hwraid...
09:43<el_es>i kinda liked the mdraid-linux RAID10 solution cause it stripes and mirrors and gives me 1.5x the size of single disk...
09:44<el_es>and is said to be able to survive 1 drive fail
09:44<Luticus>ya I was thinking something with 1 hotspare would be a good idea
09:44<el_es>say I'd run LVM on top of it, so when i get moar disks, I add them to another matrix like that and to the pool
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09:46<el_es>one thing about LVM is when I grow a volume... I need then to grow the filesystem that's made on it - and that always was being said as a very delicate operation...
09:47<Luticus>lvm supposedly makes that safe and easy
09:48<Luticus>growing a partition isn't a big deal, trying to shrink one can be fun though
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09:51<jjjasper>growing never is an issue
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09:51<jjjasper>but shrinking.. oh boy
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09:52<el_es>how about migration, from smaller to larger ?
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09:53<el_es>say in 2 years time when I get myself proper hw and want to migrate the entire contents of the volume(s) to new volumes
09:54<el_es>i assume I have the hw on hand so even an 'assisted transfer' like using an USB attached drive, is possible
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09:54*el_es sorry brb
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10:07<jjjasper>el_es: if its proxmox, just migrate the vm's
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10:12<el_es>jjjasper: ok so that's another + in camp of proxmox... why did they not build it on std debian kernel thou? </joke>
10:12<jjjasper>stop complaining :)
10:14<Luticus>4.x switches from redhat based to ubuntu based so it's getting closer ;)
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10:16<el_es>Luticus: yeah seen that
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10:17<el_es><rant> I switched away from Ubuntu on my desktop when 12.04 or so, refused to install because of PAE :) </rant>
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10:17<el_es>came to debian proper, never looked back ;)
10:17<el_es>ok jokes aside.
10:18<Luticus>ya I'm not a ubuntu fan really. been on Debian almost exclusively for years now.
10:18<el_es>yes the old hw i am using is worrying me a bit, but then, I have 2 other like-wise for spares :J
10:20<el_es>disks and memory still available on E**y ;)
10:21<el_es>(actually there is a warehouse in 'states that apparently sells also NEW ones... but they don't ship outside US)
10:21<Luticus>meh, it'll be a good box to learn on
10:22<el_es>Luticus: exactly
10:22<Luticus>that's unfortunate el_es
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10:24<el_es>going to look a bit more for more opinions, on layering LVM on top of mdraid...
10:24<Luticus>ya, good idea. I definitely think LVM is the way to go these days
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10:25<canaima>hola como
10:25<el_es>Luticus: but would You rather do it in swraid / md or hw raid?
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10:25<el_es>sw raid if anything else fails, i could do dd /dev/sdX /to/file and then to a new disk
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10:26<el_es>hw raid if i run out of controllers, omg
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10:26<Luticus>ya that's true, I like sw raid for flexibility I think.
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10:27<el_es>or if another controller might have slightly different fw... the matrix will be cooked either
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10:28<Luticus>are you using a raid card in that machine?
10:28<el_es>no it's on board
10:28<Luticus>I'd go with sw then
10:29<el_es>ok noted :) thx
10:29<Luticus>don't think you'd see much in the way of performance gains with hw and sw is more flexible which is especially important on a box you're learning on
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10:30<el_es>say I went with 3x mdraid/linuxRAID10 , for the reasons I said before ;)
10:31<el_es>I plan to have at least 2 VMs if not 3, but might need 4
10:31<Luticus>depending on what you're hosing on the vms that should be fine
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10:32<Luticus>I guess the real question is, will the vms be only cli linux, or will you be putting windows on some of them?
10:32<el_es>they would be 2x HTTP Servers (PHP application), if i can do 3, also a DB server
10:32<el_es>if i can do 4, also a SAMBA server
10:32<Luticus>ya you're fine
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10:33<Luticus>unless you're gonna have a high load I think that should hold up
10:33<el_es>all linux ;)
10:33<Luticus>yea I have 2 windows domain controllers on mine that I'm hoping to decommission soon.
10:34<Luticus>the rest of my boxes are all Debian though
10:36<el_es>one of the boxen i wish to replace, is currently using ~200-300M RAM serving 2 separate web applications
10:37<el_es>and 8GB disk space
10:37<el_es>but it runs a db server of its own too
10:37<Luticus>ya, sounds like you've got a pretty small load
10:39<el_es>the 15min average can peak to above 10 on it (itself being a 2.4GHz P4)
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10:40<el_es>then, the SAMBA/SAN server is not really expected to hold much more than 50-60GB atm
10:41<el_es>yup not a very large enterprise here :J
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10:43<jjjasper>it would do ksm
10:43<el_es>(the 15min load of 10 is only a peak amongst the plains of 2-3)
10:43<jjjasper>with kvm
10:43<jjjasper>so lower mem usage for identical parts
10:44<el_es>that certainly helps, I read that
10:44<Luticus>ya that's a good point jjjasper
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10:44<Luticus>though I think there are security implications there
10:44<Luticus>not sure
10:45<el_es>Luticus: afair, it only merges identical copies, at least it should
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10:46<el_es>Luticus: i imagine if there is some sort of status of disjoint memory could serve as an indicator it's been modified, willingly or not ;)
10:46<Luticus>I mean, if it's a learning box anyway then it's fine anyway.
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10:47<Luticus>I think the issue is that it can allow for the ASLR circumvention and such if I remember right
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10:48<el_es>Luticus: i see. if I was doing that for production I'd probably get more ram rather than KSM ;)
10:49<el_es>still probably better than LXC that comes with big fat warnings (on Debian LXC page even)
10:50<Luticus>ya, like I said for leaning it's likely fine. honestly there are security concerns with containers too so meh :)
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10:51<el_es>ok. so before I go off googling for some more LVM info, on how to accomplish what I want, any keywords I could feed to Google ?
10:52<el_es>i am not afraid of searching or reading ;)
10:52<jjjasper>well, just 'lvm'
10:53<Luticus>ya, not much to say on that one I don't think.
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10:53<Luticus>just join disks to a pool and create logical volumes :)
10:54<jjjasper>for proxmox
10:54<jjjasper>since you don't have hw raid
10:54<jjjasper>you first want to do a setup with just a / of say 20 gigs
10:54<jjjasper>a few gigs of swap
10:55<jjjasper>make sure that's all properly raid etc from the start
10:55<el_es>ok, concrete figures, i like ;)
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10:55<el_es>yeah assuming I get the disks joined by mdraid already I should have about 100G off them
10:55<jjjasper>then create a new md device on the remaining (identical size) spaces with raid and make sure that's all synced up
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10:55<jjjasper>make a pv on that
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10:56<jjjasper>install proxmox and add the pv as a usable storage device
10:56<jjjasper>proxmox will handle creating individual volumes in the pv pool
10:56<jjjasper>so it's a pv on a raid set
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11:00<el_es>am thinking I could even reuse what I have. since I have a 14G good for /, 3.6G for swap and 83G left over
11:00<el_es>only change the 83G leftover to have a pv on it
11:01<el_es>will 14G suffice for proxmox / or will it be borderline?
11:02<el_es>atm as df -h says, minimal netinstall only uses 1.3G out of 14G
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11:03<jjjasper>and where is your /home then?
11:03<el_es>it's on the 83G partition right now, but i can change that (R) ;)
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11:05<el_es>i don't really need LVM under the host hv / right?
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11:08<Luticus>so you need LVM I don't think but I like to have it because if you start running out of space you can just move things around rather than having to rebuild stuff. it's just cleaner in my opinion
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11:09<Luticus>but with prox on / I don't think you should have space issues
11:10<el_es>Luticus: ok
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11:12<el_es>so I thank you, and I be off reading on LVM then
11:12<Luticus>good luck :)
11:13<el_es>thanks ;)
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11:29<Miro>dear Lords happy new year to all of you but one
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12:01<blast007>JackChapman1993: do you need help with Debian Linux?
12:01<JackChapman1993>hi, yeah I do, I'm not too sure what I'm doing on here
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12:02<JackChapman1993>I have an issue I can't find a solution to anywhere on the internet, am I in the right place to ask?
12:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:10<JackChapman1993>I'm running Debain 7.2. I'm getting the following error message: 'InnoDB: Unable to lock ./ibdata1, error: 37'. I can't start mysql. I really just need to be able to get a dump from mysql so I can salvage the data, but I can't start it to get into it. I've tried starting in safe mode and it just hangs after the following message: '160105 16:32:03 mysqld_safe mysqld from pid file /var/run/mysqld/ ended'. I've been trawling the internet al
12:10<JackChapman1993>l day and the closest thing I have found to my issue is here:
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12:13<brandnewbian>I installed the nvidia proprietary drivers on my optimus machine. I then installed bumblebee to enable switching. However, when I run "optirun lspci" i still get the intel card coming up. How can I see if bumblebee is working?
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12:13<towo`>optirun glxinfo
12:13<Luticus>JackChapman1993: did you see this:
12:14<towo`>lspci ever will show you the intel card
12:14<Luticus>brandnewbian: are you trying to run bumblebee on steam?
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12:15<JackChapman1993>Luticus: Yeah I have tried that thanks, with the following output for both: /etc/init.d/nfslock: No such file or directory
12:15<Luticus>brandnewbian: you need to use primusrun. so like primusrun program and it will run *program* with nvidia
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12:16<brandnewbian>towo`: thats a lot of output... if it says nvidia at the top im good?
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12:17<brandnewbian>Luticus: not yet, but thats next... anything I should know?
12:17<Luticus>brandnewbian: go to the game you want to run with nvidia, right click and go to properties
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12:18<Luticus>inside there look for "set launch options"
12:18<Luticus>and there put the command: primusrun %command%
12:18<Luticus>then launch your game as normal
12:18<brandnewbian>Luticus: ive never used steam before, is there good free games on there i can just test my rig with?
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12:19<Luticus>alternatively I think you can launch the whole of steam with primusrun, so primusrun steam, but that'll make all games and steam run with nvidia which will tank you battery
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12:19<Luticus>dota2 is popular
12:19<brandnewbian>oh right, dota lol
12:19<Luticus>you can also do primusrun glxgears
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12:21<brandnewbian>ooh that ones fund Luticus
12:22<brandnewbian>how do i get xfce and the gui to use nvidia?
12:22<Luticus>JackChapman1993: one thing I did to help when mysql failed me was to give the mysql user account and shell and log in with it, then try to start mysql and look for additional errors. not sure if it'll help you but that's kind of a strange issue.
12:22<Luticus>brandnewbian: I don't recommend it unless you're trying to do some compositing, it'll own your battery
12:23<towo`>for compositing it would not be needed
12:23<brandnewbian>its fine. this lappy is desktop replacement. always juiced
12:23<Luticus>but kde runs perfect off my intel chipset with full compositing so not necessary
12:23<towo`>since intel even has hardware 3d
12:23<Luticus>If you really want to do it you need to prefix whatever you want to run with primusrun to my knowledge
12:24<brandnewbian>towo`: hrm, where do i enable compositing? Do I need to install compuwiz or w/e?
12:24<Luticus>but I've never tried to make the full gui run under nvidia so I'm unsure
12:24<towo`>compositing != compiz
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12:24<towo`>brandnewbian, in the adwanced settings
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12:25<Luticus>if you have a compositer like compton the I guess primusrun compton, but again that's a huge waste as intel should be fine for that.
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12:26<Luticus>brandnewbian: honestly I think there's zero advantage to doing that, you're very likely just putting yourself through work with no real payout
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12:26<brandnewbian>towo`: "advanced settings"?
12:26<ghost>Jessie sucked!
12:27<towo`>brandnewbian, in the windows-manager settings
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12:27<towo`>brandnewbian, i'm not in linux, nor xfce at the moment
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12:28<Luticus>I'm not 100% sure xfce does compositing alone, I think you may need something like compton
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12:28<Luticus>correct me if I'm wrong someone, because I use KDE :)
12:28<towo`>xfce has a build in compositor
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12:29<towo`>but compton does workk also and it eliminates tearing in videos
12:29<Luticus>towo`: ah thanks, good to know
12:29<Luticus>towo`: yea I like compton, I use that when I'm working in awesome wm
12:30<Luticus>which sounds like an oxymoron but what can I say, I like real transparency
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12:47<patrick>When Debian Unstable and Testing are frozen 6 months before Debian 9, will the the Unstable/Testing package repositories be frozen too? I use packages from there, but security updates from Stable.
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12:49<alegen>from what i know, unstable is never frozen, it always contains packages that are not yet thoroughly tested
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12:50<alegen>when testing is frozen, package version are not changed anymore, only bugfixes and security updates are applied, no major updates
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12:51<alegen>no prob
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12:53<JackChapman1993>luticus: thanks for your help. The issue has been fixed now, to fix we had to add a no lock option to nfsmount.
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12:56<Desesperado>Hola Buen día.
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12:57<Desesperado>¿cómo puedo configurar mi servidor bind9 para que pueda recibir correos desde internet?
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13:00<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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13:02<Desesperado>hello. I was told that there is support for bind9 in Spanish, I can find only in English.
13:02<Desesperado>my English is not good.
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13:04<Desesperado>but I need help
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13:04<alegen>maybe the channel #debian-es can offer help in spanish, otherwise try to ask here in english
13:05<Desesperado>Ok, tanks
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13:06<Desesperado>as set bind9 so you can receive e-mail from any account online?
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13:08<alegen>i am not a bind9 expert, do you have mx records?
13:09<Desesperado>I can expose the panorama I have
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13:11<grove>Last night I had sound working in programs I started as another user with 'ssh <user>@localhost program', now it doesn't work. I don't remember that I did anything special, but I must have. Any ideas on how I can get it working?
13:12<Desesperado>I have an static IP address (public) with my ISP, unlike
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13:13<Desesperado>I have Jessie Debian installed on a server, postfix and dovecot and virtual users.
13:14<Desesperado>I have configured BIND9 with a direct zone and reverse zone. In the direct area I'm not quite sure that place.
13:16<Desesperado>Grove, can you help me?
13:17<alegen>Desesperado: is pointing to the IP from your ISP?
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13:18<grove>Desesperado: I have very little time, but I do know how to set up DNS (although I haven't used bind for many years). It's not clear to me what you are trying to do, and what your problem is
13:18<Desesperado>akky is pointing to the IP from my ISP.
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13:19<grove>A simple lookup for shows that it returns four ips?
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13:20<alegen>Desesperado: are you sure your ISP allows mail traffic? from what i know, some ISPs block email traffic to minimize spamming... maybe your problem is not even related to dns or bind9
13:20<Desesperado>command post and come to yahoo mail, but when I want to return them to origin from where the send. Returned mail says: Mail server for "" unreachable for too long:
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13:22<Desesperado>when I run the nslookup, he tells me: non-authoritative answer:
13:22<Desesperado>Addres: 20094.180.59
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13:24<musca>heh, better not offend the flood protection
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13:33<jelly>it knows no mercy
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13:38<alegen>bots rarely do...
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14:39<dustydk>hellige everyone
14:40<dustydk>om hoping someone here can help me a bit
14:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:43<dustydk>om trying to make an install disc from my running debian Jessie but i cant figure out how even though i have searched Google for 3 days
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14:46<dustydk>im not even sure if this is the right place to ask
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14:48<bremner>dustydk: what kind of install disc do you want? i.e. why not just use the one provided by debian?
14:49<dustydk>i want to make my own distro
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14:49<bremner>I think there is a channel #debian-derivatives
14:49<bremner>indeed there is
14:50<dustydk>thanks i Will try there
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15:32<rafalhack>should this card work on Debian 8, without getting non-free firmware?
15:32<rafalhack>0bda:8178 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8192CU 802.11n WLAN Adapter
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15:33<dvstin>hi, question, is there a way to trigger a deb post scriptlet if a different package changes? e.g. rpm triggerin does this
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15:34<rafalhack>[56066.587897] usb 2-1.2: firmware: failed to load rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin (-2)
15:34<rafalhack>[56066.589784] usb 2-1.2: Direct firmware load failed with error -2
15:34<dvstin>in other words, for mypackage-extras I want the post scriptlet to run when mypackage is updated
15:34<rafalhack>[56066.589788] usb 2-1.2: Falling back to user helper
15:34<rafalhack>[56066.591387] rtlwifi: Loading alternative firmware rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin
15:34<rafalhack>does this mean that it should work, on alternative driver?
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15:37<rafalhack>for a working usb attached TPLINK wifi modem, if it would work then it would show in ifconfig -a after connecting or any additional action needed?
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15:39<Brigo>rafalhack, yes, configuring the network if not automatic. Try iwconfig, it should show it.
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15:41<rafalhack>Brigo: "iwconfig" alone lists all the network adapters, including usb0 the other usb modem that I have and that works, and NOT including the new modem that I am testing.
15:42<Brigo>rafalhack, then the kernel does not support it. do you have non-free repo active?
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15:42<rafalhack>Brigo: no
15:43<Brigo>the problem use to be the firmware, not the driver itself and the firmware is in non-free repo.
15:43<rafalhack>Brigo: my point is to find usb dongle modem that does not require that. I was thinking this modem is one of them
15:43<Brigo>rafalhack, check logs, then. What tplink is that?
15:43<rafalhack>Brigo: when I have list of network device models how to make sure if they would work without non-free
15:43<rafalhack>Brigo: I pasted above the log
15:44<towo`>what is a wifi modem?
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15:44<rafalhack>towo`: wifi uhm card?
15:44<towo`>uhm card?
15:44<awal>Guys, grub eroor messages displayed during boot are stored somewhere?
15:45<towo`>rtlwifi does need non-free frimware for nearly all devices
15:45<rafalhack>towo`: the piece of hardware that lets your computer use wifi
15:45<Brigo>rafalhack, debian wiki says it need firmware.
15:45<towo`>rafalhack, that's not a modem
15:45<rafalhack>towo`: ok then how would you call it?
15:45<towo`>rafalhack, that's a simple wifi nic
15:45<towo`>and it needs firmware
15:45<rafalhack>bah :{
15:46<towo`>old atheros cards does not need firmware
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15:46<rafalhack>so I have list of other cards that I am interested in, how to make sure, without buying, if it would run on free drivers only
15:46<Brigo>awal, i think it doesn't.
15:46<towo`>the devices which use ath5k
15:47<rafalhack>so, no way to use it at all without closed firmware then?
15:47<awal>Brigo: ok
15:47<rafalhack>"non-free" drivers here, means that it is a close source that can't be review, so could be a security risk, or is it just some detail like that I am not allow to hack it etc?
15:47<towo`>rafalhack, it? this rtl-device not
15:48<Brigo>rafalhack, yes.
15:48<towo`>rafalhack, firmware != driver
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15:48<towo`>and hardware, which not need to load firmware, it has that firmware in eprom
15:48<towo`>there is nearly zero hardware which does work without any kind of firmware
15:49<rafalhack>towo`: well, does it mean that
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15:49<rafalhack>this non-free driver would run some closed source (so not verifiable) in my kernel,
15:50<towo`>this is not a non-free driver
15:50<rafalhack>or that merly that it will upload some firmware/microcode/something to the NIC card, and such not opensource (hard to audit) code will be running inside the modem
15:50<towo`>the driver is free
15:50<towo`>this is not a modem
15:50<rafalhack>again, to get that model to run, if I would get the proper package for it from non-free debian repository.
15:51<rafalhack>then it would result in close-source code running in kernel of my pc,
15:51<towo`>read this, there you see, which hardware does not need firmware
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15:51<rafalhack>or would the closed-source code be merly uploaded to the device or something like that, which then does not cause so obvious security problem for my pc?
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15:52<towo`>rafalhack, [21:51:13] <towo`>
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15:59<sleser>is there a pakage xboxdrv gui in debian ?
15:59<sleser>or is it ok to download it elswhere and install it somehow so it dont spread all over debian damiging it
15:59<inSpectrum>Hey guys
16:01<inSpectrum>Can anyone tell me how I can install Kali tools on my Debian
16:02<bremner>do you know which tools specifically?
16:02<inSpectrum>Metasploit for one
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16:04<bremner>inSpectrum: dunno. I guess if there is a source package you could rebuild it for debian.
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16:05<inSpectrum>Thought about that. Could not find it. (unfortunately)
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16:17<necromante>hello guys..
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16:18<musca>hello necromante
16:18<necromante>pessoal tenho um problema no meu jessie, o icedove esta corrompendo arquivos
16:19<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
16:20<musca>perhaps that channel exists only on
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16:21<necromante>I'm there a problem with my Debian, the Icedove this is corrupted files and I lost my emails
16:22<necromante>the version is 8
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16:25<Calandria>hi, i'd like to contribute to debian project, i read some guides and policys on debian web, but i cannot find where to contact (email or form contact)
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16:26<necromante>someone help me?
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16:28<bremner>Calandria: in what way would you like to help?
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16:31<Calandria>i think i could start helping in some tasks related mantaining debian packages and some translations to spanish. Depending my time i could increase my commitment
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16:32<tobi>Calandria: Depends also on your intersts. Maybe check or #debian-mentors
16:32<bremner>Calandria: #debian-mentors is about learning to package. there is probably a mailing list about translation, let me check.
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16:36<Calandria>how can i submit a task? by mailing list?
16:37<anon>which type of task ?
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16:40<Calandria>anon: sorry i was asking it, some people answer me mailings by topic
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16:42<Calandria>but the question is how to submit an initial task i cannot find it in policys and manuals in contribs web section
16:43<Calandria>thanks in advance
16:43<bremner>what kind of initial task, translation?
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16:43<Calandria>for example
16:43<Calandria>and other: mantain a debian package
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16:44<Brigo>Calandria, fron translating:
16:44<bremner>well, for maintaining a debian package I suggest you ask on #debian-mentors. There are some links in /topic of that channel also
16:44<Calandria>thanks to all :)
16:44<Brigo>Calandria, check
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17:43<rafalhack>ohi acsa20050
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17:46<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
17:46<rafalhack>acsa20050: ^
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18:05<PaulePanter>Hi. In Debian Sid/unstable, I want to rebuild qbankmanager which is only available in Debian Wheezy.
18:05<PaulePanter>How to I get the build dependencies?
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18:07<zykotick9>PaulePanter: try #debian-next good luck.
18:08<themill>not much prospect of that working
18:08<PaulePanter>zykotick9: Well, the question applies to Debian 8 (Jessie/stable) as well.
18:09<PaulePanter>Do I need to add the Wheezy sources and then do `aptitude build-dep qbankmanager`?
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18:16<themill>PaulePanter: building in jessie is going to be easier than in stretch or sid; follow the instructions for a "simple sid backport" but use "wheezy" as the source distro not "sid"
18:16<themill>,checkbackport qbankmanager --fromrelease wheezy --torelease jessie
18:16<judd>Backporting package qbankmanager in wheezy→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
18:18<aef>does anyone know a command that can tell me whether a CD/DVD is finalized or is still open for additional writes?
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18:24<brandnewbian>can I connect to debian irc using SSL?
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18:28<esaym153>how do I specify a customer mirror url for a net install of jessie?
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18:28<PaulePanter>themill: Thank you!
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18:28<esaym153>right now the installer is asking me to select a mirror from a list. I gives me no way to type in a custom mirror...
18:28<esaym153>I assume there should be a way
18:28<slabity>My /boot partition is FAT32, as I need it to be readable by another system. However, each time apt needs to update something in there, I get an error saying that dpkg could not make a backup link.
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18:29<slabity>Obviously this is because you can't make hard links between filesystems, but what is the best solution to keep it from doing that?
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18:32<brandnewbian>w0rmh0le: 6697?
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18:33<themill>esaym153: there's an "enter information manually" option in mirror chooser
18:33<esaym153>themill: let me look again...
18:33<brandnewbian>anyone familiar with bumblebee and nvidia proprietary drivers in here?
18:34<brandnewbian>slabity: did you mount it as RO in the installer mayber?
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18:35<esaym153>themill: I see now. its the page before the chooser, where you select your country
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18:35<themill>well, that's actually the first step in mirror chooser
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18:37<slabity>brandnewbian: I don't believe so. I currently have it mounted as rw
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18:38<slabity>brandnewbian: I believe the issue right now is that dpkg tries to make a backup link of files it needs to upgrade, which isn't possible on FAT32.
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18:40<aef>brandnewbian: 6697 is the correct port for ircs, yes
18:40<slabity>There is a function in dpkg called 'ohsite'?
18:42<brandnewbian>slabity: THATS A pretty recent link. *guessing* you cant do it without changing the source or whatever, but thats waaay above my paygrade
18:43<slabity>That's a shame. I might look into changing the source code. But for now I suppose I'll just manually move the packages to prevent dpkg from trying to make backups
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18:45<slabity>And apparently there's both 'ohshit()' and 'ohshite()' functions in dpkg
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