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00:36<sleser>for the last comple days for some reason desktop icon on the rite top corner is sitting upside down on kde
00:36<sleser>no other problem
00:41<Luticus>sleser: you mean the desktop menu icon?
00:42<Luticus>what version of plasma-desktop are you running? have you tried moving it around?
00:42<sleser>im not sure what virsion im using
00:42<Luticus>what os are you running?
00:42<Luticus>is it stable debian?
00:42<sleser>i cant move it around
00:42<Luticus>k so 4.11 should be your kde
00:43<Luticus>have you themed your desktop or customized a lot of things?
00:43<sleser>not recently
00:43<sleser>maby a year or more ago
00:44<Luticus>ok, so you said you can't move the icon, because usually you can drag it to different places on the screen. do you have your desktop widgets unlocked?
00:45<sleser>no they locked
00:45<sleser>they were aalways locked when it was good . it changed by its own
00:46<sleser>i mooved it back to good pos
00:46<Luticus>k, is it still upside down?
00:47<sleser>its good now
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00:47<Luticus>ok great :D
00:47<R4F_Debian>Hi all
00:48<R4F_Debian>I tried to find any specific statistical software in the subsection 'math', in the Debian site, but couldn't find, for I don't know any through its name. Is there anyone who could help me on this ?
00:49<nevyn>gnu-r ?
00:49<R4F_Debian>it it's considered off-topic, an awfully sorry
00:50<nevyn>R4F_Debian: google 'linux statistics software'
00:50<R4F_Debian>nvyn, Hi ! It seems you are right about gnu-r
00:50<R4F_Debian>I'm doing it already, in the google
00:51<R4F_Debian>Great nevyn, thanks a lot !
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01:01<R4F_Debian>hey nevyn your Support was 100% successfully. Through the path you've passed me, I get 'R' statistical app typing 'apt-get install r-base r-base-dev' and the most sophisticated statistical software for Linux is ready for Debian. Great !
01:01<R4F_Debian>Thank you Very Much !
01:02<themill> might also be useful
01:03<R4F_Debian>oh, Great themill, Thank you Very Much ! I will develop a research about the subject based on your information. Great, Debian Power Users are the Best !
01:04<R4F_Debian>Bye all !
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01:29<svetlana>any way to search apt by tag? like math or stats tag for r4f_debian. web browsing hurts
01:31<jm_>debtags or aptitude
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01:39<JeremyE77>I guess you did specify apt. Sorry. I prefer the web sometimes.
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03:43<chele>I have some trouble understanding ip tool to add/del addresses to interfaces. When delete addresses the man says: Arguments: coincide with the arguments of ip addr add. Does anybody know what would happen if the args do not match exactly?
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03:44<jm_>it will report an error if it can't find it
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03:47<chele>jm_ Not really. This is how my cmds:
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03:49<jm_>chele: and why do you think it can't find it? it matches ip addr add
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03:55<chele>Syntactically isn't the same command.
03:55<chele>That's the question whats the behavior when this occurs.
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04:11<avalenn>why do you use "dev eth4:2" instead of "dev eth4" like in the add ?
04:11<avalenn>chele : why do you use "dev eth4:2" instead of "dev eth4" like in the add ?
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04:13<chele>avalenn well these commands I took from a tool which wrote a college of mine. I can't answer that. Would it be incorrect?
04:14<avalenn>I think if you use "dev eth4" it will work
04:15<avalenn>"eth4:12" is only a label, not a device
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04:16<chele>well it still works but for some reason removes addresses which it should not.
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04:16<chele>trying to see the reason of that.
04:16<grove>chele: What are you trying to do? 'ip a d' is supposed to remove an address
04:17<chele>remove only that address.
04:17<avalenn>what is your "ip addr show" before and after each command ? and the messages ?
04:18<grove>chele: Have you tried removing the /24 from 'ip a d', I think it might try to remove all addresses in that subnet
04:18<grove>Else I agree with avalenn: Please show complete output
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04:26<jm_>it would also help if you mentioned this at the beginning instead of keeping us in the dark
04:26<Oebele>hey guys! I am pretty sure I fixed this problem before, but I can't remember how: how do I prevent skype notifications from muting my music?
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04:27<Oebele>I think it was something with setting the type of audio for skype to be something else than communication or something like that
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04:29<chele>grove avalenn here is what happens:
04:29<chele>The expectation is that each tool remove ONLY the addresses it adds.
04:29<chele>I'll try now to remove addresses manually to see how it goes.
04:31<chele>A merd, the paste is wrong.
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04:33<chele>confirmed after the first del: ip addr del dev eth4:12 interface addresses are cleared. (same subnet?)
04:36<grove>chele: Does it work better when you leave out /24? In that case you'll have to change your tools
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04:37<avalenn>I don't think that's the case, without /24 it does a wildcard deletion
04:37<avalenn>The answer seems more like
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04:38<chele>grove yes wildcard deletion is done without /24.
04:38<chele>if I use /32 cannot delete the addr as it was added with /24.
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04:40<chele>So primary addr means the first in the submask?
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04:42<avalenn>the first added I think
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04:45<chele>"The first address within the prefix is primary" I'd say first in subnet.
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04:45<duclicsic>don't think so
04:45<duclicsic>it'll be the first added
04:46<duclicsic>that link avalenn posted has your fix though, just do "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/promote_secondaries"
04:46<duclicsic>and it will no longer remove all addresses in the same subnet when deleting
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04:49<chele>yeap. Thanks.
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04:55<chele>duclicsic alternatively if use /32 on adding would also solve, isn't ?
04:55<duclicsic>a /32 might not be what you want
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05:28<chele>duclicsic with a little care is works as well with /32.
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05:29<chele>The only issue with /32 is that removes a route which others use if you remove address from the same subnet.
05:29<chele>But this is more issue of the tool i'd say.
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06:08<horseMan>Hey guys. Do you think I have done something really nasty to my system if the start-stop-daemon cannot be found in /sbin/ on a debian 7.9?
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06:10<horseMan>I may have inadvertedly removed it by doing a rouge install to rescue grub2, then it started to "install the base system", which may have overwritten /sbin/. Or are there other ways the start-stop-daemon may be removed, other than manual removal?
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06:11<themill>horseMan: it not being Debian or having $PATH wrong are the normal issues
06:13<horseMan>It is debian, and start-stop-daemon is really missing from /sbin/.
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06:14<horseMan>The dpkg-package will not re-install without start-stop-daemon either, so it looks like I need to find a amd64 executable I can manually copy to my machine.
06:14<horseMan>themill: It is debian, and start-stop-daemon is really missing from /sbin/.
06:14<themill>You can extract the package with dpkg -x
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06:18<horseMan>themill: Ok, that could help. Where is the package stored then, or should I just manually download it with apt to a location I specify
06:19<themill>/var/cache/apt/archives or you could "aptitude download dpkg"
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06:21<horseMan>themill: that seemed to do the trick. Thank you very much
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07:01<REXTOR>hallo all
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07:05<el_es>hi #debian; setting up lvm root on top of mdraid drops me to dropbox shell (like no mdraid and no lvm tools in initramfs) ...
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07:05<el_es>used graphical installer from debian-live image (8.2 x64)
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07:09<el_es>any special setup required for lvm root on top of mdraid on top of actual disks ?
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07:18<jm_>presumably you mean busybox shell, try using initramfs debugging, see man initramfs-tools
07:19<el_es>jm_: yeah busybox...
07:19<el_es>there is no mdadm nor lvm :(
07:19<d3nny>Hello everyone - anyone here familiar with vlan config under debian jessie? I've got a tagged interface eth1. I configure my vlan configuration /etc/network/interface (auto eth1.99 - interface eth1.99....) but the vlans will not be applied. All I see during boot is: "adding VLAN 0 to HW filter on device eth1" but nothing more.
07:19<el_es>(i am trying to type md[tab])
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07:20<el_es>weird enough, grub actually did point to appropriate devices
07:21<jm_>looking at initramfs on my system with raid (but no raid needed for booting), it has mdadm
07:21<el_es>because it loaded the kernel and the initramfs which both are on a partition on top of lvm volume on top of mdraid...
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07:22<el_es>and then i get 'gave up waiting for root device' message and it drops me to shell (busybox initramfs shell)
07:23<el_es>when i type md[tab] it only gives me md5sum and mdev
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07:24<el_es>in initramfs there is also no /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
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07:24<jm_>I also have that included on that system
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07:25<el_es>it's been some time, how can I fix that when I boot Live again ?
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07:25<el_es>- reassemble the mdraid array first
07:25<el_es>- then start lvm
07:25<el_es>then chroot to it ?
07:25<jm_>mount it all, chroot then generate initramfs again (update-initramfs -u), for the former part see /msg dpkg fixmbr
07:26<el_es>brb ';)
07:27<duclicsic>d3nny: you installed the 'vlan' package?
07:27<d3nny>otherwise I wouldn't see the "adding VLAN 0 to HW filter" message
07:27<duclicsic>show me the interface config
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07:30<d3nny>duclicsic, that's my network config - also "8021q" module is loaded and package "vlan" installed.
07:31<duclicsic>hmm. looks fine. and when you do "ip addr" you don't see these vlans?
07:32<duclicsic>try doing something like "ip link add link eth1 name eth1.123 type vlan id 123"
07:32<d3nny>I see the interfaces and also the ip I configured
07:32<duclicsic>what's the problem then?
07:32<d3nny>hmm weird oô
07:32<d3nny>Everything looks fine in /proc/net/vlan/config
07:33<d3nny>But I don't get any traffic on those interfaces
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07:34<duclicsic>so eth1 is physically connected to a switch with multiple vlans tagged on the port?
07:34<duclicsic>and there is traffic in those vlans, but you're not seeing it?
07:35<d3nny>there is tagged traffic on this port, yes - but when I do "tcpdump -ni eth1.99" I don't see anything
07:35<duclicsic>do you see the tagged frames when you just tcpdump on eth1?
07:35<duclicsic>they should show up if they're actually arriving
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07:36<d3nny>but when I configure an untagged port on eth1 then I see traffic from this vlan
07:36<d3nny>I see 802.1 traffic on eth1, yes
07:36<d3nny>"13:35:57.834033 STP 802.1w, Rapid STP, Flags [Learn, Forward], bridge-id, length 43"
07:36<el_es>funny thing, on the live there is no mdadm either
07:37<jm_>el_es: use something like grml instead
07:37<duclicsic>well i have to go for a bit, will have a think while i get lunch
07:38<d3nny>Also all stats on /proc/net/vlan/eth1.X are zero
07:39<el_es>jm_: can i somehow replicate what the installer is doing ?
07:39<jm_>el_es: when it's doing what?
07:39<el_es>(sudo apt-get install [what])
07:39<el_es>when starting partitioner, it can see the lvm and the raid...
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07:40<d3nny>duclicsic, enjoy your meal
07:40<el_es>just now did sudo apt-get install mdadm...
07:41<jm_>don't think there's a standalone tool for that, but you had mdadm managed setup without mdadm installed?
07:41<el_es>and now I have /proc/mdstat yay
07:41<el_es>sooo... now vgscan ?
07:42<jm_>that part I can't help with, sorry - I only used mdadm
07:42<el_es>ok np ;)
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07:43<el_es>for whoever logs this :
07:44<el_es>sudo apt-get install mdadm did find my array; sudo apt-get install lvm2 did result in having my volume back
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07:45<jm_>you mean when installing this for the live system?
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07:54<el_es>jm_: yes.
07:55<el_es>jm_: all it needed then is to mount /dev/mapper/root_vol somewhere
07:56<jm_>right, now it makes sense
07:56<el_es>jm_: and mount -o bind {/dev,/proc,/sys} somewhere{/dev,/proc,/sys}
07:57<el_es>then chroot somewhere
07:57<jm_>el_es: yup, not somewhere, where you mounted root
07:57<el_es>and update-initramfs, and dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
07:57<el_es>jm_: i forgot to say I did mkdir somewhere ;) first
07:58<prem>hi all
07:58<prem>how to implement ldap offline login in debian?
07:58<prem>am using openldap server in debian
07:58<el_es>after the dpkg-reconfigure, exit from chroot, unmount the somewhere{/dev, /proc, /sys}
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07:59<el_es>then umount somewhere
07:59<el_es>then reboot
07:59<el_es>and it works :)
08:01<el_es>i know there has been some faff about debian-live recently...
08:01<el_es>but will they accept a FR to include mdadm and lvm2 by default?
08:01<jm_>maybe best ask this on the live channel
08:02<el_es>jm_: oh right ;)
08:02<el_es>thx :)
08:02<jm_>no problem
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08:04<jm_>robroy333: please take that elsewhere
08:04<jm_>ahh it has already been taken care of
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08:29<Zeurt>hi, I think I broke something with my apt, I can't upgrade because of python-minimal, here is what I tried: how can I fix this ? thanks
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08:44<grove>Zeurt: You're running unstable, try in #debian-next
08:44<chele>How can I maintain several versions of a package using apt/dpkg?
08:44<grove>chele: Be more specific. But likely answer: You can't
08:44<chele>I mean 'have installed'.
08:45<chele>I would like to have several iceweasel version at the same time.
08:45<themill>chele: since each package ships the same files, there's no way of doing that
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08:46<chele>If I get the package .deb can I install it with dpkg to a specific folder?
08:47<themill>not in a meaningful way
08:47<chele>What does meaningful way mean?
08:48<chele>I mean dpkg is meant to install in one place (systems one) and that is it.
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08:50<Stummi>chele, you get around of "installing" it without dpkg/apt. IIRC there are binary distributions for linux available for firefox you can just extract to a place you want (which would be something like /opt/firefox/<version>)
08:51<Stummi>*you can't get around..
08:52<chele>Stummi yes, thats was the idea at first but wanted to make sure thats the only way to do this.
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08:53<Stummi>there are probably more ways to do it, but thats the easiest and cleanest IMHO
08:53<Zeurt>grove, my bad thanks
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08:55<chele>sure thanks.
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09:21<mic_e>hi guys, so I just rebooted my sid system and noticed that urxvt doesn't work anymore
09:21<mic_e>urxvt: symbol lookup error: /home/mic/perl5/lib/perl5/x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi/auto/POSIX/2008/ undefined symbol: Perl_xs_apiversion_bootcheck
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09:21<mic_e>oh wait, nvm
09:21<mic_e>looks like I'll just have to re-build that CPAN package...
09:22<grove>mic_e: Go to #debian-next for questions related to sid
09:22<mic_e>grove: looks like I selected the wrong channel
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09:41<aleks_>hello debian community, i have a dependencies issue and i am not able to fix, can you help me? this is a pastebin of <apt-get -f install> output:
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09:43<aleks_>who can read me?
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09:46<Luticus>aleks_: what version of debian are you running? do you have a mixed system?
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09:47<aleks__>excuse me, i close this page, who answer me?
09:47<Luticus>aleks_: I asked what version of debian are you running? do you have a mixed system?
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09:48<aleks__>i use debian 8
09:48<aleks__>debian vanilla, standard edition
09:48<Luticus>do you have any other repositories beyond the standard ones?
09:48<markybob>aleks__, that's not debian 8
09:49<aleks__>i fucked apt dependencies Luticus
09:49<markybob>we know that. but that isn't debian 8. that's why it's fucked
09:49<aleks__>markybob: ye, with vanilla i means official debian 8 without any modif
09:49<markybob>aleks__, jessie doesn't have the versions of the programs you pasted.
09:50<Luticus>what are you trying to install there? all I see is an apt-get install -f where you're trying to fix the dependencies, what did you install to mess them up?
09:51<aleks__>i fucked deps when i tried to install without success gtl3-dev package, should i fix deps manually or is faster reinstall the system?
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09:51<Luticus>it said you left again
09:52<aleks__>Luticus: yes i am a coach potato
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09:53<grove>aleks__: There's no such package in Jessie, where did you try to install it from?
09:53<Luticus>gtl3-dev isn't packaged in debian stretch at least, where did you get that package? was is a .deb you downloaded or did you add a repository
09:55<Luticus>if that's the only package that's broken then I recommend a dpkg -P gtl3-dev and then apt-get install -f and see what it tells you to install/remove
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09:57<aleks__>ok, i am tryng thx bro
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10:12<peter1138>hmm *** Error in `grub-probe': double free or corruption (!prev): 0x0000000000e171c0 ***
10:12<peter1138>sounds worrying :S
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10:47<bremner>magmax: reading that in multiple channels is annoying.
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11:35<pars>say anyone hello
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11:52<retrospectacus>pars: hello
11:53<pars>how are you
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11:56<blast007>pars: do you have a question about Debian Linux?
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12:14<zlatan>blast007: Debian GNU/Linux!
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12:16<EmleyMoor>One of my systems seems to have lost access to NFS filesystems provided by the others... no obvious sign of why, just "doesn't see".
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12:37<EmleyMoor>automount is logging "no hosts available"
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12:44<s13a29>hi fike
12:44<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on or ##chat on
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13:05<magmax>dpkg are bot
13:05<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, magmax
13:05<magmax>i am man of Barcelona
13:06<magmax>let me
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13:06<magmax>i'm away, smoke
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13:24<magmax>someone pepole speak spanish
13:25<magmax>bot dpkg talk in english, and have problems to understand, i unknow wich want
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13:25<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
13:26<bremner>yeah, I think this not a person that responds to hints...
13:26<magmax>bueno pero se un poquito de ingles, ya ye dije mi numero de teléfono
13:27<magmax>tengo webcam
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13:29<magmax>i unknow how register mi nick in this network. help
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13:33<Marillion>magmax: /msg NickServ HELP
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13:34<Marillion>magmax: and #OFTC exist
13:34<Marillion>magmax: and there website is available
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14:25<ivoadf>Hello guys where should I go to get help with a package dependencies problem?
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14:28<Zombayo>Hello guys, I use debian jessie and I want to know how can I see to have static IP. I use lampp server and I want to see my website from another Internet Clients ?
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14:38<tonyyarusso>Zombayo: I can't quite understand what you're asking - do you just need to see what your IP address is set to? `ip addr` will give you that.
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14:39<tonyyarusso>ivoadf: Are all of the packages involved in Debian stable, or are you running unstable or testing and/or using some packages from third-party sources?
14:41<ivoadf>I am trying to install vlc, when running apt-get install vlc this is the output:
14:42<ivoadf>I believe all the packages related to the problem are involved in Debian stable
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14:44<ivoadf>I already had vlc installed but 2 days ago I opened synaptic and marked all upgrades and applied them after that I found that some packages were removed and was reinstalling them until reaching this problem.
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14:48<ivoadf>just noticed I had a repository deactivated this is the problem I am facing:
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14:51<Zombayo>tonyyarusso: when I put this command ip addr I see my dynamic IP from my router ? I'm almost sure I have static IP but I dont know how can I see ?
14:51<tonyyarusso>ivoadf: Sorry, I can't load at work - can you put it somewhere else?
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14:52<tonyyarusso>Zombayo: It won't tell you whether it's static or not, but check for your external one.
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14:53<ivoadf>does this work for you?
14:53*tonyyarusso reads
14:54<Luticus>Zombayo: if you have a static ip configured it should be listed in /etc/network/interface. if you cat that file you should get a list of all configured interfaces. if an interface is missing it is likely being obtained dynamically. Whether or not an address is statically reserved is up to your DNS provider (isp, company, whatever)
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14:57<tonyyarusso>ivoadf: Try running an `apt-get update`, then reapting your install. If that doesn't fix it, try an `apt-get -f install`.
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14:58<ivoadf>when using apt-get -f install is there a chance to break my system?
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14:58<kaizoku>a very slim one
14:58<kaizoku>i've done it *many* times with no ill effect
14:59<ivoadf>ok will try it
14:59<Luticus>ivoadf: -f is for fix not force, also apt will prompt you for a yes/no so you can review what it's doing I think
14:59<tonyyarusso>There's a chance no matter what you do, but I'm not aware of any more than usual.
14:59<tonyyarusso>Yeah, it prompts.
15:00<tonyyarusso>It says "Hey, this here looks funny - want me to poke at it a bit?"
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15:00<tonyyarusso>Fixes some common stuff where a previous install was interrupted for some reason.
15:00<Luticus>yea I tend to use it when I've installed a .deb manually
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15:00<Luticus>such as the real google-chrome
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15:01<tonyyarusso>It's part of my dance after I discover than /boot ran out of space while installing a new kernel...
15:01<Luticus>hah, that's a fun situation to be in
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15:02<ivoadf>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. This was the result of apt-get -f install, still not able to install vlc
15:03<Luticus>do apt-cache policy vlc-plugin-notify and see what that says
15:03<Luticus>sounds like you still got a missing repository
15:03<tonyyarusso>Luticus: It's even more special when / runs out of *inodes* because of kernel *headers*. "No space available" errors, 'df -h' looks fine, takes a couple minutes of "WTF?" to remember to check -i...
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15:04<Luticus>tonyyarusso: yea inodes are a pain because it's not something that we think to check often
15:04<Luticus>they're just kinda there hidden in the background until the come out of the shadows and ruin your life :)
15:04<tonyyarusso>Such is the life of not getting around to adding that to the monitoring yet :)
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15:07<Luticus>ivoadf: ok so I'd try maybe specifying the missing packages manually - apt-get install vlc vlc-nox etc
15:08<Luticus>which actually you should apt-cache policy vlc-nox because that's the dependency it's not finding, the other two are just recommends
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15:10<tonyyarusso>ivoadf: Oh, if you've been doing stuff with Synatpic, take a look under the "Status" button and see if you have any listed under "Broken".
15:10<ivoadf>Luticus: the problem is if I try to install vlc-nox it has another unmet dependencies and if I follow the "chain" of dependencies I end up with one that the package manager says I need to uninstall a bunch of other packages including gnome and more
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15:11<Luticus>ivoadf have you ever used a repository other than stable? you're not running a mixed system are ya?
15:12<ivoadf>tonyyarusso: if I select vlc for instalation only the vlc package will appear in the broken packages
15:12<ivoadf>Luticus: I don't think so
15:12<Luticus>btw, what dependency is that one it's telling you to remove that breaks everything?
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15:14<tonyyarusso>ivoadf: Some mix of `apt-get clean`, `dpkg --configure -a`, and `apt-get -f install` might do it.
15:14<tonyyarusso>also maybe `apt-get -f upgrade`?
15:15<ivoadf>tonyyarusso: will try that
15:15<Luticus>libtag1-vanilla is not in stretch or sid, it is in jessie so one of the other pages it's removing is the culprit I think
15:16<Luticus>can you apt-cache policy some of the packages its asking to remove and tell us if any come from a repository other than stable/jessie?
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15:16<ivoadf>tonyyarusso: all the command had no effect, no packages removed updated or installed
15:17<ivoadf>Luticus: will try, any package in particular stands out?
15:17<Luticus>difficult to say as the packages don't show their version numbers
15:18<Luticus>but I'm betting one or more of them came from a repo or place that isn't current stable jessie
15:18<Luticus>you could also try apt-get dist-upgrade and see what it tells you to do, don't necessarily push it through, just tell us what it asks of you
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15:19<ivoadf>I remember that before this happened I had been messing with the repos in order to install maybe something related?
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15:20<Luticus>yes, could very well be. you may have some installed packages hanging around from that attempt that have screwed up your dependency chain.
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15:20<ivoadf>Luticus: dist-upgrade affects no packages
15:20<Lordz>Hi. In Debian 6 and 7 I can set routes in /etc/network/interfaces as "up route add -net netmask gw".
15:20<Lordz>But in Debian 8 it isn't working. Why are routes set in not added when the interface comes up?
15:20<Luticus>that means all your packages are at their current highest detected versions.
15:21<Luticus>one thing you can do is set up apt-pinning in such a way that it will allow package downgrades and see if dist-upgrade asks you to downgrade anything
15:21<ivoadf>Luticus: how exactly would I do that?
15:22<Luticus>create a file called preferences in /etc/apt/
15:22<blast007>Lordz: Does the route get added correctly if you run the command manually afterwards?
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15:22<Lordz>blast007: yes. if I run the command in the shell, the route is correctly added
15:23<Luticus>hang on, I'll create a paste bin for what you should put in there
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15:24<Luticus>then once you have that file made with those contents run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade. tell me if it asks you to downgrade anything
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15:26<ivoadf>Luticus: well a LOT I guess,
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15:27<Luticus>now apt-cache policy one of the downgrade packages and it'll tell you where that package comes from repository wise
15:28<ivoadf>Luticus: 1001 jessie/main amd64 Packages , for the accountsservice package
15:29<Luticus>one other question, is your system a 32bit or 64bit debian build? you have a lot of packages labeled with :i386 so it looks like you have mutliarch enabled
15:29<ivoadf>Luticus: it is 64 bit
15:30<Luticus>k so you're running multiarch to get the 32bit packages too. those are typically safer to remove as they won't affect your main system, they can however break steam or wine if you use it
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15:33<ivoadf>Luticus: yeah it is for steam, I googled how to check the debian version and the content of /etc/debian_version is stretch/sid. Shouldn't it be jessie?
15:35<Lordz>I've tried with all these, and none worked
15:35<Lordz> up route add -net netmask gw
15:35<Lordz> up ip route add -net netmask gw
15:35<Lordz> up /sbin/route add -net netmask gw
15:35<Lordz> post-up route add -net netmask gw
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15:36<Luticus>ya, you're running a mixed system, if you perform the apt-get dist-upgrade you will be reverted back to jessie, but this can break stuff and you'll need to know your stuff to fix it. it may be worth it to instead enable the stretch repository and start installing from there.
15:36<Luticus>are you running an amd card?
15:36<Luticus>video card that is
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15:37<ivoadf>no nvidia
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15:37<Luticus>ok good. amd has issues with the new kernel in stretch right now. :)
15:38<ivoadf>so my best options are to either add stretch repos or do a full reinstall of debian?
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15:39<Luticus>well you don't HAVE to do a full reinstall, in your case I'd say your spill into testing isn't that bad. you can downgrade. but if stuff breaks and you don't know how to fix it you may end up having to do that reinstall. stretch is by far the safter bet.
15:39<Luticus>what desktop environment are you using?
15:40<ivoadf>Luticus: gnome, btw how is it possible I did this without even noticing? Just a wrong repo?
15:41<Luticus>yea you must have added some testing repo at some point, maybe by following some instructions that told you to
15:41<Luticus>who knows
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15:42<Luticus>but a franken-debian system is dangerous because it tends to break dependencies just as you have experienced. it's why when people come in asking about dependency chains the first thing they'll be asked is "are you on stable only"
15:43<ivoadf>Luticus: well thanks for all the help and kindness I will add the stretch repos later today and try to fix this. After adding the repos I should do apt-get upgrade? and then try to install vlc once more?
15:43<Luticus>gnome I think is fine in stretch so you should be ok to upgrade if you choose. KDE is on plasma 5 in stretch and while it works, it's someone unstable in my opinion
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15:44<Luticus>well if you do an upgrade it'll upgrade the entire system to stretch, you can also just try to install the packages. one thing you can do is modify that file I gave you and change the pin priority line to say 900, then add another set of lines for stretch at a lower pin priority
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15:45<Luticus>then when you install it'll try from jessie first but if it can't work on jessie I'll give you and error. then you can use apt-get -t stretch install package, to have it install and resolve from stretch instead
15:47<ivoadf>Luticus: ok thanks :)
15:47<Luticus>no prob, good luck :)
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16:59<stefan_>me see your chennel
16:59<lumbert>Hi, looking for assistance with Debian 7.2 ethernet install. Intel ethernet drivers i219-V
16:59<stefan_>#hi all
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17:03<SynrG>lumbert: why so old?
17:04<lumbert>lazy companies dont want to take the effort to use the new one
17:04<SynrG>Debian 8 is current stable
17:04<SynrG>What companies?
17:05<lumbert>In this case, Caldera
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17:05<SynrG>I thought you were installing Debian...
17:05<SynrG>What does caldera have to do with it?
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17:06<lumbert>Caldera uses Debian 7.2
17:06<SynrG>Sorry, typo. Cell
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17:07<SynrG>Is it a debian derivative?
17:08<SynrG>Or if not, explain "uses"
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17:09<SynrG>I'm confused, since i thought caldera was a red hat company
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17:12<SynrG>lumbert: if it's what i think it is and caldera has now started making a debian derivative, I'm afraid we don't support that here. Since you're having trouble with it, why not just install debian 8?
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17:21<lumbert>Sorry, got called away
17:21<lumbert>It is a derivative, I'm just hoping for some basic instruction for ethernet driver install
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17:26<ivan>anybody used fai on jessie here?
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17:26<ivan>I`m kinda struggling
17:26<ivan>and it is 00:26 already
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17:31<SynrG>lumbert: try it with Debian and we can help
17:33<grove>lumbert: The only instructions we can give are something like: You'll need a newer kernel, and since we don't know how your non-debian handles kernels we can't tell you how to get that
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17:33<tonyyarusso>Doesn't Caldera have paid support anyway?
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17:50<papamoose2>anyone know why one would get this error trying to mount a drive? "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'"
17:50<papamoose2>I am using my own debian live image created with debootstrap. I was able to create the ext4 filesystem on /dev/sda1... however mounting is not possible. I am also not able to mount 'xfs'
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17:56<Brigo>papamoose2, missing filesystem support?
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18:00<papamoose2>well I have the packages installed required to create the file systems...
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18:03<papamoose2>e2fslibs:amd64, e2fsprogs, xfsprogs... should there be something else?
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18:08<Brigo>papamoose2, i mean in the kernel itself. check /proc/filesystems
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18:09<markybob>debian kernel supports both ext4 and xfs...
18:09<markybob>since like 2008
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18:13<papamoose2>yeah, i know. I am using this kernel: 3.16.0-4-amd64, though it seems when I run 'lsmod' ext4 and xfs are not loading.
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18:14<SynrG>You could use dd and file to verify what's on the partition
18:14<Brigo>markybob, he is using his own debian live so problems could arise.
18:14<papamoose2>I am using the kernel provided here:
18:14<markybob>papamoose2, that's what i'm running.
18:16<SynrG>Maybe you're mistaken about the partition contents
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18:16<papamoose2>partition is fine. lsmod does not show ext4 or xfs. this is what happens when I try to load them:
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18:17<markybob>papamoose2, so what kernel are you using? because debian has them both by default. did you compile it yourself?
18:17<SynrG>So your root filesystem is missing the appropriate /lib/modules i guess
18:18<SynrG>Did you actually install the kennel package onto your debootstrap?
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18:18<papamoose2>probably not.
18:18<papamoose2>at least it seems so.
18:19<SynrG>A chroot doesn't need a kernel
18:19<SynrG>So you need to make provision for that in your build process
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18:21<papamoose2>Thanks guys, I know what to do now. I'll report back later.
18:21<SynrG>Good luck
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18:24<papamoose2>yup thats all it was, can't believe I forgot to install the freaking kernel.
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20:31<Hydronic>hey all. i have just installed debian in a dual boot with windows. during the installation, it couldn't connect to the network (probably because i didn't configure it correctly), and i ended up with a "very minimal" system.
20:32<Hydronic>i'm wondering what i should do from here. i'm a beginner.
20:32<abrotman>Hydronic: what kind of network do you have? Wifi? Ethernet?
20:33<abrotman>do you know which type of device it is?
20:33<Hydronic>it's a d-link router
20:33<abrotman>we need to know about the wifi in your system
20:34<Hydronic>you mean settings of the wifi connection?
20:34<abrotman>Hydronic: lspci -nn ; do you see your wifi device?
20:35<Hydronic>oh, the network card
20:36<Hydronic>i see "Network controller"
20:36<Hydronic>i think that's it
20:36<abrotman>does it have more info, or just that?
20:37<Hydronic>02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM43142 802.11b/g/n [14e4:4365] (rev 01)
20:37<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM43142 is a hybrid 802.11n and Bluetooth 4.0 device. Its wireless LAN component (PCI ID 14e4:4365, incorrectly identified as BCM4365 by Broadcom's proprietary driver) is currently only supported by Broadcom's proprietary driver since version (packaged for Debian 8 "Jessie" as broadcom-sta-dkms).
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20:37<Hydronic>am i in luck?
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20:38<narcan>Hydronic: yes
20:38<abrotman>Hydronic: so, you have some choices. You can setup the ethernet and install the wifi driverfrom the non-free repo. You can re-install the whole OS using the firmware-laden netinst. You can try to copy the files you need via USB to the new OS.
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20:39<Hydronic>what do you recommend?
20:40<abrotman>do you have easily reachable ethernet?
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20:40<Hydronic>yes, i do
20:41<abrotman>okay, that's probably easier at this point as long as the ethernet works :)
20:41<narcan>the easy way is to upload driver from non-free repository with your ethernet
20:42<Hydronic>i'm going to set it up
20:45<Hydronic>okay, ethernet connected
20:45<abrotman>Hydronic: logged as root?
20:45<abrotman>or have a root shell via sudo
20:45<abrotman>whatever method
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20:46<Hydronic>yes, logged as root
20:46<abrotman>Hydronic: dhclient eth0
20:46<abrotman>Hydronic: then, ifconfig eth0, make sure you have an IP
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20:48<Hydronic>i have a local ip address
20:49<abrotman>Hydronic: cat /etc/apt/sources.list ; do you see some http sources?
20:49<Hydronic>yes, two
20:49<abrotman>do either have a "#" in the front?
20:50<Hydronic>not the http sources
20:50<abrotman>okay, one of them should say something like "deb jessie main" ?
20:50<Hydronic>the second is identical except it says deb-src at the beginning
20:51<abrotman>okay, so for the first one, append a " contrib non-free" to the end
20:51<abrotman>then save the file
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20:53<narcan>Hydronic: # editor /etc/apt/sources.list
20:54<abrotman>I gave him the benefit of hte doubt he knew how to use one of vi/emacs/nano :)
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20:55<Hydronic>i mean, i've read a tutorial once.. :)
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20:55<Hydronic>string appended
20:55<narcan>Hydronic: are you OK with your editor? ^^
20:56<abrotman>Hydronic: apt-get update;apt-get install broadcom-sta-dkms
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20:56<Hydronic>update ran fine
20:56<Hydronic>"unable to locate package broadcom-sta-dkms"
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20:57<abrotman>judd: info broadcom-sta-dkms
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20:57<judd>An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
20:57*abrotman looks at themill
20:57<abrotman>dpkg: info broadcom-sta-dkms
20:57<dpkg>broadcom-sta-dkms: (dkms source for the Broadcom STA Wireless driver), section non-free/kernel, is optional. Version: (sid), Packaged size: 2156 kB, Installed size: 14140 kB
20:58<musca>just a little race condition :)
20:58<abrotman>Hydronic: let's try this .. add this line at the bottom of your sources.list "deb jessie main contrib non-free"
20:58<abrotman>Hydronic: then run the update and install again
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21:01<Hydronic>update failed to fetch some packages
21:01<Hydronic>and install failed again :(
21:01<abrotman>can you pastebin the output of the file?
21:01<Hydronic>how can i do that from the other machine?
21:01<abrotman>sorry, the contents of hte file
21:02<abrotman>Hydronic: does the Debian box have w3m installed?
21:02<Hydronic>w3m command not found
21:03<Hydronic>would a photo do?
21:03<narcan>no lynx
21:03<abrotman>Hydronic: yes
21:05<narcan>maybe he have an Xserver running. It will be more easy to pastbin the standart output
21:06<abrotman>Hydronic: you missed a space between main and contrib
21:06<abrotman>Hydronic: cat /etc/apt/sources.list (that's what we need to see)
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21:08<narcan>not needed to had contrib
21:08<narcan>to add*
21:08<themill>abrotman: please don't break the poor little bot!
21:08<abrotman>narcan: if you're using non-free, it's generally a good idea to have contrib .. and regardless, that's not the problem here
21:08<abrotman>themill: I tried to use it!
21:08<narcan>abrotman: :)
21:09<themill>bah... udd changed schema again. Must be a day that ends in y,
21:09<abrotman>themill: figured you owned UDD by now
21:09<vortek>when i goto change themes, the windows background does not change with the theme
21:09<Hydronic>where did i miss a space?
21:09<abrotman>Hydronic: sorry, between /debian/ and jessie, it should read "debian/ jessie main"
21:09<vortek>is this a known bug?
21:09<Hydronic>oh, yes
21:10<Hydronic>my bad
21:10<abrotman>Hydronic: you have "debian/jessie" .. that's not good
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21:11<Hydronic>i'm running the update now
21:11<abrotman>is it less angry?
21:11<Hydronic>it's very cooperative :)
21:11<cra1g321>the security lines are fine as jessie/updates
21:11<Hydronic>installing the broadcom thingy now
21:11<abrotman>thingy .. a driver :)
21:12<abrotman>the thingy makes the bits go ...
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21:12<cra1g321>also missing jessie-updates repo
21:12<abrotman>let's fix one problem at a time ...
21:13<abrotman>(also irrelevant at this point)
21:13<abrotman>Hydronic: done yet? :)
21:14<abrotman>Hydronic: let's also get you mostly up to date when that's done .. "aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade"
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21:16<Hydronic>and it's done for the thi--driver
21:16<abrotman>just run the full-upgrade ... then you can either reboot or just loda up the driver
21:16<Hydronic>is this relevant?
21:17<Hydronic>also, aptitude command not found
21:17<abrotman>we can also install firmware if you'd like .. run the "apt-get dist-upgrade;apt-get install aptitude"
21:18<abrotman>we'll get the firmware in a moment
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21:18<Hydronic>is aptitute == apt?
21:18*Hydroxide does a double-take at the near-match nick. not common. but, focus on abrotman great advice, not this coincidence.
21:18<narcan>Hydroxide: aptitude is another tool like apt-get
21:18<abrotman>Hydronic: it solves package conflicts, etc differently, you may find it useful in the future, good to have it instsalled
21:19<abrotman>narcan: fail ...
21:19<narcan>abrotman: ^^
21:19<abrotman>Hydronic: apt-get install firmware-realtek (when the other one is done)
21:19<Hydronic>i ran apt full-upgrade
21:19<Hydronic>it's upgrading
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21:19<abrotman>okay, install the firmware when that's done
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21:20<abrotman>Hydroxide: Is it creeping you out a little? :)
21:20<Hydronic>i like the graphics. this is not sarcastic
21:20<abrotman>Hydronic: of aptitude?
21:20<Hydroxide>abrotman: more just harmlessly amusing :)
21:20<Hydronic>Hydroxide: at least it's not Hydroponic :)
21:20<abrotman>Hydroxide: somehow, no one mistabbed the nick until you spoke! :)
21:21<Hydroxide>Hydronic: hehe
21:21<Hydronic>abrotman: the progress bard
21:21<Hydroxide>abrotman: irssi prefers the nick which has most recently spoken, so I understand how that was avoided up to then
21:21<abrotman>Hydroxide: yeah, but hexchat does wonky things
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21:21<abrotman>(and you can change that behavior in irssi)
21:21<narcan>1 point for irssi
21:22*abrotman contemplates a /nick Hydrox_Cookies
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21:23<Hydroxide>abrotman: whee, the original, not oreo!
21:24<Hydronic>okay, done
21:24<Hydronic>apparently everything went smoothly
21:25<abrotman>Hydronic: should we reboot, or just try loading the driver?
21:25<Hydronic>is this a test? :o
21:26<Hydronic>it doesn't say anything about rebooting..
21:26<abrotman>well, you probably upgraded your kernel when you did the full-upgrade, let's do a reboot
21:26<narcan>+1 for reboot
21:26<Hydroxide>Hydronic: while most upgrades don't need a reboot to take effect, kernels do.
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21:27<Hydronic>that's nice
21:27<narcan>most simply in his case
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21:28<narcan>abrotman: thanks. I'm not a native speaker
21:29<Hydronic>and we're back!
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21:29<abrotman>Hydronic: so .. do you have wifi?
21:30<Hydronic>how do i test?
21:31<narcan>He should to configure his /etc/network/interfaces before
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21:31<narcan>I think its not configured
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21:32<abrotman>Hydronic: dmesg | grep wlan
21:32<Hydronic>wlan0: broadcom..
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21:35<abrotman>Hydronic: do you want a GUI? or just good with CLI?
21:35<narcan>it works?
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21:35<Hydronic>are there any downsides to having a GUI?\
21:35<Hydronic>narcan: i'm not sure
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21:36<narcan>CTRL + C to quit
21:36<themill>,info broadcom-sta-dkms
21:36<judd>Package broadcom-sta-dkms (non-free/kernel, optional) in jessie/amd64: dkms source for the Broadcom STA Wireless driver. Version:; Size: 2119.0k; Installed: 14108k; Homepage:
21:36<themill>abrotman: ^^
21:37<abrotman>Hydronic: just system resources
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21:38<Hydronic>i think i'll stick to the CLI, to get more familiar
21:39<Hydronic>narcan: it only pings with the ethernet
21:39<Hydronic>i do need to set up the connection and things right?
21:40<narcan>cat /etc/network/interfaces
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21:40<narcan>and pastbin
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21:42<Hydronic>in a second
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21:44<m1911>any one?
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21:45<enkidu>hello. I already asked on #debian-boinc, but for 2 days no reply. I cannot run any boinc gpu tasks
21:47<Hydronic>narcan: iwlist scan shows up a bunch of stuff
21:47<Hydronic>i can't scroll up the CLI can i?
21:47<abrotman>yes, shift-pgup
21:47<enkidu>, doesn't start/queue any task. boincmgr 7.6.22 x64, cuda stuff from nvidia download
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21:50<narcan>Hydronic: you can follow the wiki instruction. It's well done.
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21:52<Hydronic>i'm trying
21:52<Hydronic>wireless-essid [ESSID] <-- with the brackets?
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21:53<Hydronic>or without quotes either?
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21:54<narcan>you get me a doubt... no
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21:55<Hydronic>wpa_passphrase is not found
21:55<Hydronic>how do i get it?
21:56<narcan>on your wifi router?
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21:56<Hydronic>i'm following the WPA guide
21:56<Hydronic>$ wpa_passphrase myssid my_very_secret_passphrase
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21:57<narcan>yes, its the wifi key
21:57<Hydronic>the wifi key?
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21:59<Hydronic>isn't wpa_passphrase a command?
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22:04<Hydronic>narcan: there?
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22:05<narcan>yes its a command
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22:05<narcan>excuse me I'm at work ^^
22:05<Hydronic>oh, sorry :)
22:06<Hydronic>what is the required package?
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22:10<Hydronic>oh yeah, sorry for being so noobish
22:12<narcan>don't worry :) We have been noob also
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22:13<narcan>I'll must to quit in 15 minutes
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22:14<Hydronic>i think i can make it work on my own from here
22:14<Hydronic>huge thanks to you guys for your help! :D
22:14<narcan>abrotman made all the job :)
22:15<narcan>have make*
22:15<Hydronic>may debian deliver me from the evils of the windows
22:15<narcan>welcome to debian
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22:19<narcan>after the wiki instructions: # ifdown eth0 && ifup wlan0
22:20<narcan>if you choose wlan0 as name of course
22:22<narcan>don't forget to put the 'auto' word into your wlan0 interface part if you want to boot directly with the wifi interface
22:22<narcan>and remove it for eth0
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22:31<ben_>What is the best browser to use on linux
22:32<lostson>that would be a personal choice
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22:40<Hydronic>what does the c01b at the end do?
22:40<Hydronic>@ narcan
22:41<narcan>I don't knox
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22:41<Hydronic>this is what the wiki suggests:
22:41<Hydronic>auto wlan0
22:41<Hydronic>iface wlan0 inet dhcp
22:41<Hydronic> wpa-ssid myssid
22:41<Hydronic> wpa-psk ccb290fd4fe6b22935cbae31449e050edd02ad44627b16ce0151668f5f53c01b
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22:41<Hydronic>anyway, ssid, psk, then c01b at the end
22:42<narcan>I don't know sorry
22:42<Hydronic>but ifup: couldn't read interfaces
22:42<narcan>I must to quit
22:42<Hydroxide>Hydronic: also you probably shared your psk
22:42<Hydroxide>in that pate
22:42<Hydronic>Hydroxide: it's copy/paste from the wiki
22:42<narcan>see you later
22:42<Hydronic>see ya narcan
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22:44<Hydroxide>Hydronic: never mind :)
22:44<Hydronic>Hydroxide: do you know what i did wrong? :|
22:44<Hydroxide>Hydronic: haven't been following the detailed conversation, sorry
22:44<Hydronic>says interfaces: option with empty value
22:45<Hydronic>i basically added that paragraph with my connection's details in the interfaces file
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22:50<Hydroxide>Hydronic: can't focus on this either, hopefully others can. I need to limit typing for now so that my RSI can subside. good luck!
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22:51<Hydronic>no worries. thanks! :)
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23:30<Hydronic>what do you guys suggest as resources for a beginner?
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23:35<Hydronic>linux in general
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23:44<awal>Hydronic: resources for be a linux kernel developer?
23:44<awal>become ^
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23:45<Hydronic>awal: oh no... i've never used linux before
23:47<ben_>Learn C
23:47<ben_>and talk to linus
23:48<iflema>Hydronic: debian wiki is general linux stuff
23:48<Hydronic>oh, cool
23:48<JeremyE77>wait wrong book
23:49<Hydronic>ben_: i do know C, how do i contact linus?
23:49<awal>Hydronic: so install Debian stable (Jessie) if you didn't did that yet then use it. Your question has no sense
23:49<iflema>Hydronic: git
23:49<Hydronic>awal: i think i'll need guides to use it
23:50<JeremyE77>just use google plus here :)
23:50<Hydronic>that manual looks nice :)
23:51<awal>Hydronic: 1 second googling you get
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23:51<Hydronic>does it take a full second to google?
23:51<ben_>That's 1 second I could of used looking at cat videos
23:53<awal>Hydronic: and debian is not linux, not just linux, it's gnu-linux. linux is just the kernel, as you may know
23:53<Hydronic>no i don't know.
23:53<Hydronic>hence why i sought guidance
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