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00:23<Nomeji>dooglus get to the manual partionning set everything in a ext4 file system and you're good to go
00:25<Nomeji>>create new partition > ext4 > mount point : /
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01:07<aidalgol>Why is there a separate "wireshark-gtk" package when the package "wireshark" says it provides the GTK+ version, and one is not simply a metapackage for the other?
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01:10<muep>perhaps it is an error in the package description
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01:12<aidalgol>I suppose I should check the debbugs pages for the packages
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01:32<mr-cooldude>AvCaster starting up
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01:47<bill-auger>hello ivan
01:48<ivan_>how do i get debian
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01:48<bill-auger>you download an ISO file from the web then burnit to a CD or USB stick - then reboot your PC
01:49<ivan_>im on linux does ios effect it
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01:50<ivan_>and is there an option to burn it
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01:51<bill-auger>yes you can burn it to a CD with a program such as brasero or xburn
01:51<bill-auger>there are instructions for all this on the website
01:51<ivan_>and what about a usb
01:51<bill-auger>that too - i think you can do that from the command line with dd command
01:52<teatime>note, be very very careful with dd
01:52<teatime>don't typo
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01:53<teatime>dd is for reading and writing raw data to files and devices
01:53<teatime>you can easily over-write the wrong disk, etc.
01:54<bill-auger>im sure the debian instructions are very clear - just follow them exactly
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01:56<ivan_>do u have a website suggestion
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01:58<bill-auger>i see that is quite old tho - but the basic instructions are probably not changed
01:58<ivan_>k thx
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01:59<bill-auger>here is the latest version of that page
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02:00<bill-auger>you can click the house button at the bottom of that page for the entire installation manual
02:00<ivan_>theres no download
02:01<ivan_>and is it the same installation for other programs
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02:03<aidalgol>How do I list the xft fonts available on my system?
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02:08<bill-auger>on the USB page of the manual there is a link to "Section 4.2.1, “Where to Find Installation Images”). "
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02:18<aidalgol>ah, fc-list
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03:48<q__>can i with debian produce music?
03:48<q__>what soft?
03:49<q__>anyone live?
03:50<dpkg>well, music is at,,,
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03:53<q__>dpkg is short in term(
03:53<dpkg>q__: I give up, what is it?
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03:54<q__>dpkg is bot why it's pming?
03:54<dpkg>q__: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
03:55<q__>i stuck up
03:55<q__>goto lfs
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04:05<dooglus>this "brand new laptop" I'm trying (and failing) to install debian on tells me its hdd is due to fail in the next 24h, and has an uptime of 7.5 days...
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04:06<dooglus>I only bought it today. I guess someone bought it before me and returned it, since the hdd is faulty?
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04:26<TobiX>dooglus: If you get this message, it is probably read from the hard disks S.M.A.R.T. monitoring...
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04:37<turol>i'm upgrading a machine with oldstable to stable
04:37<turol>it had a custom kernel with no devtmpfs
04:38<turol>so udev failed to install
04:38<turol>i have replaced the kernel but not booted to it yet
04:38<turol>can i force-finish udev install and the update and boot afterwards?
04:38<turol>or do i HAVE to boot first?
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04:56<salman_>I just upgraded my up-to-date jessie to stretch by changing the sources and apt-get update then apt-get upgrade then apt-get dist-upgrade
04:56<teatime>so far, so good
04:57<salman_>but now I am left at he console with no graphics and errors in the apt
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04:57<salman_>i can not do an apt-upgrade or dist-upgrade or install any packages
04:57<teatime>upgrade/dist-upgrade had no errors, but now you have errors?
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04:57<salman_>teatime: yes
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04:58<teatime>that's kindof odd. paste the errors (to the pastebin)
04:58<salman_>after rebooting I go no graphics so I tried apt but got lots of errors
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05:01<salman_>teatime: good thing I have a 'working' console debian.. and I have and console irc client :-)
05:01<teatime>haha yeah
05:02<teatime>hrm, have you tried aptitude full-upgrade ?
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05:02<salman_>teatime: my sources file:
05:03<salman_>teatime: no.. trying now
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05:03<teatime>or aptitude -f or apt-get --fix-broken install
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05:04<salman_>teatime: I tried apt-get -f install before but got the same error
05:04<teatime>I'm just not sure how dist-upgrade could complete w/o errors, but leave you with broken deps.
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05:05<teatime>did you --force anything?
05:05<salman_>teatime: no..
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05:06<salman_>teatime: aptitute still counting : open .. closed.. difer .. conflict
05:06<salman_>teatime: after showing the same previous errors
05:06<teatime>it's trying to find a solution for conflicting dependencies
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05:07<teatime>which it will present you with, if it does
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05:07<teatime>it's good for finding the one or two packages that are causing conflicts
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05:08<salman_>teatime: :-(
05:08<salman_>teatime: open: 4981; closed: 19652; defer: 15; conflict: 18
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05:08<salman_>teatime: No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n]
05:09<teatime>sigh, that sucks
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05:09<teatime>you can tell it yes, but it probably won't succeed
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05:09<teatime>have you done apt-get update since your last sources.list edit?
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05:10<salman_>teatime: I think...
05:10<salman_>teatime: I normally do an update/upgrade process once a day
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05:11<salman_>teatime: and I rearely change the sources
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05:12<salman_>teatime: this is my dmesg: . it has lots of I/O errors.. ignore those.. I had attached some old HDs to get thier files to a new one but kept them attached
05:12<teatime>dmesg is just the kernel, not relevant here.
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05:17<salman_>teatime: I also did apt-mark showhold before but had none
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05:19<salman_>teatime: after aptitute tried 'harder' the numbers for open and closed almost doubled.. but still ... No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n]
05:20<salman_>teatime: but same number of differ and conflict
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05:20<teatime>cancel that, and try aptitude -f full-upgrade
05:20<teatime>I don't think it'll be different, but maybe
05:21<teatime>does it list the conflicts?
05:21<teatime>that would be so incredibly helpful
05:21<teatime>my intuition is that you have a few packages either from stable or deb-multimedia that don't have testing versions and conflict with other parts of the testing upgrade.
05:22<teatime>but I still don't get how you got to your installed state w/o --force options
05:22<salman_>teatime: those are available in the errors list I posted earlier, no?
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05:23<teatime>there are way more than 18 of them though
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05:23<teatime>some of them would be resolved just by upgrading the packages to the testing versions, which apparently didn't happen
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05:23<teatime>unless I'm being mislead by deb-multimedia
05:24<teatime>the xserver-xorg- packages in testing don't have the deps listed in your error output
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05:28<salman_>teatime: the initial upgrade -which I did in a terminal console inside KDE- informed me that my VGA card will not be supported but the same driver and I need to use the legacy driver and I said OK.....
05:28<salman_>teatime: if this helps
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05:29<teatime>what do you get if you do: aptitude --why-not "xserver-xorg=1:7.7+13"
05:29<salman_>teatime: aptitute -f full-install games the same
05:29<salman_>teatime: s/game/gave
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05:30<salman_>teatime: not a proper syntax...
05:31<salman_>teatime: Actions (if none is specified, aptitude will enter interactive mode):
05:31<salman_>teatime: trying aptitute by itself
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05:32<salman_>teatime: at the status bar... suggest 293 removals, 4 keeps
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05:33<teatime>my bad, I think it is
05:33<teatime>what do you get if you do: aptitude why-not "xserver-xorg=1:7.7+13"
05:33<salman_>teatime: at the top bar: #Broken: 122
05:33<salman_>teatime: E: No package named "xserver-xorg=1:7.7+13" exists.
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05:34<teatime>omg, I guess you can't specify versions with why-not
05:35<salman_>teatime: what about aptitude? should I let it do its works?
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05:36<teatime>probably not.
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05:38<salman_>teatime: intresting information from aptitude main page:
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05:39<salman_>teatime: packages being because they are no longer used : 200
05:40<teatime>ah, well, that's not so bad then
05:40<salman_>teatime: packages being automatically held in their current state: 831
05:40<teatime>but it still wants to install 93 more non-auto packages
05:40<teatime>basically it's recommending a solution that will be as or more broken than your current one
05:40<teatime>so no, don't take it
05:40<salman_>teatime: packages being deleted due to unsatisfied dependancies: 293
05:41<salman_>teatime: packages being held back: 684
05:41<salman_>teatime: packages that are partially installed: 120
05:42<teatime>once again, although not helpful, I do not see how you got to this state w/o --force
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05:44<salman_>teatime: apt-get update , upgrade, dist-upgrade.. did not give any reason to do a --force.. the prcocess went smoothly
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05:51<teatime>I can think of a couple of things that would probably resolve your problem, but I'm not sure how advisable they are or how dangerous if you don't pay attention.
05:51<teatime>so I'm hesitant to suggest.
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05:52<salman_>teatime: :-/
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05:53<teatime>although... I do have a idea... one second
05:54<teatime>do you have apt-show-versions command available?
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05:55<teatime>actually that's OK
05:55<teatime>what do you get as output for: aptitude search "~o"
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05:55<salman_>teatime: no apt-show-versions
05:57<salman_>teatime: aptitude search "~o" produces a huge list:
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05:58<teatime>those are all things you have installed but that aren't available from any configured repository.
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06:04<teatime>I am out of safe suggestions.
06:05<teatime>I would wait for someone else, and also try #debian-next
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06:06<salman_>teatime: what do you mean not available from any configured repository?
06:06<salman_>teatime: those are installed from debian repositories!
06:07<teatime>as in, not available from any repositories you have currently configured in sources.list
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06:08<salman_>teatime: I see
06:08<salman_>teatime: :-(
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06:08<teatime>I don't think your upgrade actually completed
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06:18<salman_>teatime: I think the same :-(
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08:39<aliceinwire>how i can install the apt translation file manually /
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08:45<itd>aliceinwire: could you please be more specific? Which file (and why)?
08:46<aliceinwire>i'm using raspbian and as you can see there is no translation file in the repository
08:46<aliceinwire>there is no i18n folder
08:46<aliceinwire>so my apt is working always in english
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08:47<aliceinwire>also if my enviroment is setted as different language
08:47<aliceinwire>when i do apt-cache search the package summary is always in english
08:47<aliceinwire>i would like to override it with a different language
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08:48<aliceinwire>i thought that i just had to set the correct locales but is setted correctly
08:48<itd>!tell aliceinwire about raspbian
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08:48<aliceinwire>already wrote in the forum and channel
08:48<aliceinwire>no help from them
08:49<aliceinwire>and i need it for tomorrow :/
08:49<itd>aliceinwire: sorry to hear that.
08:49<aliceinwire>thanks i know what is raspbian itd
08:49<aliceinwire>is for a demostration
08:50<itd>aliceinwire: there is also an irc channel for raspbian - try to ask them, please.
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08:51<aliceinwire>i already said i already try there and in the forum
08:52<amacater>The Raspberry Pi foundation take Raspbian and distribute it: Peter Green is the main person behind Raspbian. He is in UK and working more or less on his own autobulding packages
08:52<amacater>but he has no control over what the RPI Foundation do with it. If no one is interested in translations, potentially they don't get done
08:52<aliceinwire>wait what i would like to know is how to override apt translation
08:53<aliceinwire>is not related to raspbian
08:53<aliceinwire>is same for both distribution
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08:53<aliceinwire>but just found by strace
08:54<amacater>If there is no i18n translation file you are out of luck, I think. but this is OT for #debian
08:55<amacater>Which language do you require?
08:55<aliceinwire>amacater: is it important ?
08:56<amacater>It is possible that there is an i18n in Debian itself but not in Raspbian. Debian does have an active translation team - but I can check
08:56<aliceinwire>yes here
08:56<amacater>Look not in sid but in Jessie
08:57<aliceinwire>sid and jessie package are almost similar is it right ?
08:57<aliceinwire>sid have more package
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08:58<aliceinwire>but anyway if apt is grepping by name and description
08:58<amacater>Sid is unstable - Jessie is Debian stable and is the equivalent version to the Raspbian version
08:58<aliceinwire>it have to find it anyway
08:58<aliceinwire>i know what is sid and jessie
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08:59<aliceinwire>what i see is that the ddtp team is putting translated package in sid
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09:00<aliceinwire>so if i can use sid as translation archive i could get more package translated
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09:03<aliceinwire>anyway it worked amacater
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09:09<markybob>aliceinwire: sid is also not supported here /per topic
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09:11<markybob>ml|: seriously for fucks sake how long will it take you to fix your client?
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09:16<teatime>How can I list files contained in a package that is not installed?
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09:16<teatime>almost like apt-file but I can't quite get it to do that
09:16<markybob>teatime: you can't locally. you can do it via
09:16<teatime>nevermind, I just read `man apt-file` again and I see now how to do it
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09:19<aliceinwire>amacater: thanks for help
09:19<teatime>markybob: `apt-file -F list <package>` seems to be it?
09:19<markybob>teatime: you seem to be correct. i did not know of that option
09:20<teatime>me either :)
09:21<aliceinwire>markybob: i didn't remeber about sid not supported here
09:21<aliceinwire>thanks for remind
09:22*aliceinwire go back to study
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11:19<nuentoter>is it possible to combine my boot partition (stand alone partition for boot at beginning of disk) with unnallocated space at the end of the disk? there is a partition in between with filesystem on it
11:19<teatime>not directly
11:20<teatime>are you out of space on /boot ?
11:20<amacater>Use a CD/USB to boot gparted and move the partition
11:21<amacater>Remove old kernels etc. ?
11:21<teatime>seems kindof heavy handed to me; properly, you should backup before doing that, although I've never had it fail
11:21<nuentoter>thats the step im at now, have it running live ubuntu with gparted going i just dont want to f@ck it up
11:22<nuentoter>i have everything backed up
11:22<teatime>oh, then go for it
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11:22<amacater>You probably then want to rereun update-grub
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11:24<nuentoter>my question is though, how exactly? How do I expand the boot partition into the unnallocated space? there is no room immediately after it
11:24<teatime>you would move the 2nd partition to start later, creating room after it
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11:25<nuentoter>moving the filesystem will not corrupt it?
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11:25<teatime>parted is pretty smart about it
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11:27<amacater>Move the swap or whatever to the end of the dis, leaving space before it. Move the root partition up to it. Expand the boot partition into the space ...
11:27<nuentoter>should I format the unnallocated space into something first? or not? or does it matter?
11:27<amacater>No, don't, just move the filesystems as a whole.
11:27<teatime>no, don't. leave it unallocated
11:27<teatime>is your 2nd partition swap space?
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11:29<nuentoter>ok /dev/sdb1 is /(boot) sdb2 contains sdb5(swap) and sbd6(filesystem) then there is unnalocaated 60gb following
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11:30<nuentoter>first partition is boot, second is sbd5&6,
11:30<teatime>just move them however it will let you, then, to make some space after boot.
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11:31<nuentoter>my goal is to have the 60gb available for the /(boot)
11:32<teatime>do you mean root
11:32<teatime>/ is root
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11:32<teatime>so you don't mean /boot
11:32<teatime>it doesn't change anything, but they are very different
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11:38<nuentoter>well here goes... lets see if this works
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11:40<FLD>why doesn't the NFS option 'soft' work on Debian?
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11:41<amacater>You shouldn't need much more than 512M or 1G for /boot - that holds a kernel and initramfs and grub files only. Root should be biggest, obviously.
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11:42<Stevie-O>good morning
11:42<Stevie-O>I just built a new machine, and I'm having a very strange problem with ssh
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11:52<nuentoter>ok i moved over my other stuff but it seems I cannot merge the beginning of second partition with end of first partition, the want to remain separate or a new partition from the unallocated space
11:53<amacater>So you may have /boot unallocated 60G / swap ?
11:54<nuentoter>unallocated is on partition 2 right now
11:54<teatime>if it's unallocated, it's not on a partition
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11:54<teatime>if the 1st partition has unallocated space following, you can resize it
11:55<amacater>So - /boot is at the start and is small. 60G of unallocated space then partition 2 then swap?
11:55<nuentoter>they are separated by the light grey area which you cannot move things out of within a partition
11:55<teatime>Stevie-O: if you provide more details, you may get some suggestions
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11:56<amacater>Grow boot to use the unallocated space. Then shrink it again and move the second partition start back down ...
11:56<nuentoter>the unnallocated space is locaed under the pulldown for sdb2 and is listed as unnallocated under that
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11:58<Stevie-O>okay so periodically my ssh session is... pausing
11:58<Stevie-O>(this is a brand new machine, btw)
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11:58<teatime>nuentoter: you need the unallocated space outside of the extended partition; I don't know exactly what to tell you to click, but it's a gui you should be able to figure it out.
11:58<Stevie-O>I'll run a command and the output stops coming across the ssh connection
11:59<tgp1994>Hi everyone. I'm having a slight issue upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze (I know, I know...). I thought the process would be pretty straight-forward as usual, although it seems not. After adding squeeze's deb entry in sources.list, apt-get segfaults on just about any command near the end. Particularly update and upgrade. I did a strace and have uploaded an excerpt of the log here: I picked a location in
11:59<tgp1994>the log where it would begin repeating the read() function many times, before segfaulting. Can anyone suggest why apt-get is segfaulting here and how it can be fixed?
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11:59<amacater>Any other symptoms - load average / cpu temps ???
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12:04<nuentoter>teatime: i think I have it figured out now, i think i need coffee, boot partition was still mounted preventing me from doing any moving
12:05<teatime>nuentoter: please do note again that / and /boot are different
12:06<nuentoter>they are on the same on this system
12:06<nuentoter>not my set up btw
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12:06<nuentoter>i just inherited this server and am trying to fix things up, when I took over i had to ctr-alt-f1 to login because of lack of space
12:06<teatime>which is fine if it works on your system
12:07<teatime>but if you say "boot partition" people will not think you mean /
12:07<teatime>they will think you mean a small (200MBish) one that mounts at /boot
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12:07<nuentoter>sorry about clarification of terms, on here they are the same and on a 5gb partition
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12:13<teatime>not worth it to convert your existing install, but in the future you can make this sort of thing easier by using LVM
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12:15<nuentoter>This system will eventually be rebuilt on different computer and will definately be using lvm, then I would have had a much easier job, I just have never had to move around any boot partitions and wanted to make sure I wasnt going to kill it lol
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12:16<teatime>it can also save some annoyance to avoid extended partitions, and limit yourself to 4 or fewer primary partitions
12:16<teatime>which is a lot easier when you use LVM
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12:18<nuentoter>now to reboot and see if it works
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12:19<nuentoter>yay no grub errors so far
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12:22<amacater>Your other choice is to partition automatically with "everything in one partition" and change the swap partition to be forced to be a primary partition. I normally end up with 512M for /boot, almost all the disk as / and 8G for swap as /dev/sda2
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12:37<nuentoter>yay im up and running just fine with space to spare!
12:37<nuentoter>TYVM teatime
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12:42<vertex>what " apt-key adv" does?
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13:18<Issacy>Hi! I have installed Debian 8.3 and I'm having trouble installing drivers for AMD ATI Radeon HD3200. Some guidance or help would be highly appreciate it
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13:19<towo`>Issacy, if you want fglrx, better forget it
13:20<towo`>Issacy, install firmware-linux-nonfree and use the free radeon driver, it supports your card excellent
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13:21<Issacy>I was following the steps on this
13:21<Issacy>but doesnt work
13:21<towo`>"doesnt work" is saying zero!
13:21<Issacy>after I reboot I just log in in a console
13:22<Issacy>no gui
13:22<towo`>provide /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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13:24<Issacy>working on it
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13:27<tgp1994>I'm currently getting a SIGSEGV from apt-get whenever I try to update from squeeze repos... gdb reports it as coming from pkgCacheGenerator::NewFileDesc() in Here's a strace too: If anyone can help, I'd really appreciate it.
13:27<zyley>issacy, seems to be that oldest card what "fglrx-driver" supports is hd5000 series
13:29<zyley>try to search is there fglrx legacy driver ...but it sounds that you better off with open source driver
13:29<Issacy>yes I want to have the open source driver working
13:29<Issacy>Im trying to get the log
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13:30<Issacy>its just that Im on windows
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13:30<Issacy>because I dont have ui on debian
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13:41<tgp1994>To anyone who saw my question: I fixed the apt sigsegv for squeeze by upgrading it to the latest squeeze version (and dependencies) by manually downloading the packages and dpkg -i'ing them.
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13:42<Issacy>I think I have installed and modified a lot of things I think im going to reinstall it
13:43<Issacy>and follow carefully the guide
13:43<Issacy>I hope it works
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14:16<ceibal>hola soy emilio y soy nuev en este canal como todos ya sabian visto amigos e que ustedes son un 50% internet
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14:16<ceibal>como te llamas
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14:25<hse>Hi! Having a problem getting to run a wlan device (Broadcom BCM4313). I believe I did everything as described in , but wicd is unable to find any wlan (even though my other notebook is currently connected to one). What can I do? This is my iwcofing output: This is lspci:
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14:26<petn-randall>hse: Did you install the firmware?
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14:27<dpkg>b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. #bcm-users on For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>. For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>.
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14:27<petn-randall>hse: It's most likely because of missing firmware. See dpkg's message above.
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14:27<hse>thank you, will look into that and report.
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14:35<hse>sorry, nothing changed.
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14:38<k>hse did you install the firmware-brcm80211?
14:40<hse>i would think so. There was no apt-get error after "Setting up firmware-brcm80211 (0.43) ..."
14:40<k>did you restart?
14:40<hse>not yet
14:41<k>try that
14:41<hse>i reloaded dbus
14:41<hse>ok will do.
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14:45<aioplace>If i do this - dpkg --add-architecture i386 will change my system from 64bit?
14:45<hse>now it works. Thank you a lot!
14:46<amacater>No - it will mean that you can also install packages from 32 bit as well if you need to
14:46<aioplace>sure will not change my system
14:46<aioplace>because i thaw is changing
14:46<abrotman>it will not change your system
14:46<amacater>No, that's how you enable a secondary architecture for multi-arch
14:46<aioplace>so i reinstall linux many times
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14:47<aioplace>i altmost get 32 bit
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14:48<aioplace>any suggestion for video editing?
14:48<hse>again thanks for helping me with the Broadcom firmware. You guys are marvelous.
14:48<aioplace>i got blender
14:49<aioplace>that is whorse problem with card
14:49<aioplace>i hope they will make something with debian 9
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14:49<darwin_>sorry, just popped in. What type of editing are you looking to do?
14:50<aioplace>pro with effects
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14:51<darwin_>you want something for you linux machine I assume?
14:51<aioplace>Yeah like - Sony Vegas or Camtasia or PowerDirector
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14:52<darwin_>have you checked out this
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14:54<aioplace>i know pitivi
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14:54<aioplace>:( not to advanced
14:54<aioplace>or Adobe After Effects
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14:55<darwin_>Oh sorry, you could always VM into windows
14:55<darwin_>dont hate me :(
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14:57<aioplace>so you are using debian on vm?
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14:57<aioplace>Why you need debian then?
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15:00<darwin_>no, on dedicated mint box.
15:00<darwin_>just trying to come up with useful solutions
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15:01<aioplace>ok, so linux Mint is your system?
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15:02<aioplace>I mean I like Mint because before i use Ubuntu and that's waffles
15:02<fustercluck>salut :)
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15:03<aioplace>Incerci sa implentezi romana?
15:03<darwin_>waffles, not sure I'm familiar with that phrasing. but yes, I use mint
15:03<darwin_>sup Fuster
15:03<newbie|2>hey guys and girls, i have a slight problem. I did a kernel update on debian and during the process my computer got stuck. Now Debian doesn't boot anymore. Is there a way to repair this?
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15:03<fustercluck>there is
15:03<fustercluck>i'm sure of that
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15:04<aioplace>Yeah! it's
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15:04<fustercluck>how did you a kernel update ?
15:04<amacater>Use a Debian CD / DVD or bootable USB stick - boot into rescue mode then chroot into your Debian partition and try again
15:04<aioplace>i remember was something and you can change on windows
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15:04<aioplace>You want a boot loader?
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15:05<fustercluck>please gyus ....
15:05<fustercluck>let hipm speak
15:05<newbie|2>It popped up by the update manager.
15:05<fustercluck>so , you fucked your debian ?
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15:05<newbie|2>seems like it fucked up itself.
15:06<fustercluck>what pop up ?
15:06<fustercluck>explain ?
15:06<aioplace>So strange
15:06<newbie|2>update manager or package manager, some kind of update window.
15:06<aioplace>but you know with debian it's a way to fix it ;) use root :D
15:06<aioplace>or kernel command
15:06<fustercluck>how you know that doesn,t boot up anymore ?
15:07<fustercluck>did you ???? try ?
15:07<aioplace><flustercluck> where are you from?
15:07<aioplace>pm me
15:07<fustercluck>i'm from earth
15:07<aioplace>On the pice in this earth
15:07<aioplace>: good answer !
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15:08<newbie|2>The usual user interface doesn't start and when I try to boot it tells me to enter my root password and a command to see the logs, which show messages like "Failed to insert module 'autofs4'" among others.
15:08<aioplace>Which one it's the best videoplayer i use vlc ( is there one better)
15:09<fustercluck>root password ?
15:09<abrotman>dpkg: polls
15:09<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
15:09<aioplace>Well your passwd is not right
15:10<newbie|2>yeah we can certainly cross out that possibility...
15:10<fustercluck>with a root password, you can fuck every other message teller
15:11<fustercluck>wich is why i'm asking you that
15:11<fustercluck>when you have root password
15:11<aioplace>check on /etc/passwd
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15:12<newbie|2>password for my admin account... no idea what you're asking
15:12<fustercluck>i'm not asking anything
15:12<aioplace>to make sure that work correct
15:13<newbie|2>apparently you're contradicting yourself....
15:13<fustercluck>no i don't
15:14<newbie|2>yes, you are... read up.
15:14<fustercluck>keep calm
15:14<aioplace>Keep Kalm and clain Linux!
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15:14<newbie|2>Nice community here...
15:15<newbie|2>would recompiling the kernel help?
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15:16<william_>How do i configure debian chinnamon with the right graphics and with dual monitor?
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15:17<blast007>newbie|2: are you able to select a previous kernel from the grub boot menu?
15:17<amacater>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg might help - which graphics card is detected / which card do you need
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15:17<aioplace>What do you mean with right graphics?
15:17<william_>I have Radeon HD 5800 Series
15:18<aioplace>But Debian doesn't have nice graphics
15:18<aioplace>:( sad to say but this is more focused on server's
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15:18<william_>It have worked fine before
15:18<amacater>Add non-free repository, install the appropriate Radeon drivers. You may also need to build and install kernel modules
15:18<william_>With my graphics
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15:20<blast007>william_: you probably just need to install the firmware. Did you try this?
15:20<aioplace>you can get help on
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15:20<fustercluck>*listen atoine dufour*
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15:21<fustercluck>**listen an*toine dufour**
15:22<aioplace>Why wine doesn't work as well?
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15:23<blast007>as well as what?
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15:25<abrotman>fustercluck: could you please tone it down a bit?
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15:29<fustercluck>wich is the best Pxeboot ? or bootp ?
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15:30<Issacy>After a clean reinstall followed this guide ( exactly as it said and now I have AMD ATI Radeon HD 3200 Working just fine
15:30<fustercluck>cool isac
15:30<fustercluck>i mean issac
15:31<aioplace>you forgot Y
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15:33<fustercluck>i'm looking for a network boot
15:34<fustercluck>bootp is the standard
15:34<fustercluck>why need pex ?
15:34<aioplace>and is good
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15:37<fustercluck>aio are you a girl ?
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15:39<abrotman>fustercluck: that's not relevant
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15:39<petn-randall>fustercluck: This is a Debian support channel. Please keep any questions on-topic.
15:39<abrotman>fustercluck: no need to msg me. This is a support channel, not a social channel. Please try to control yourself
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15:42<aioplace>fuck debian
15:42<aioplace>i did
15:42<aioplace>dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt update
15:42*dpkg gets an architect to start planning a new mips chipset
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15:43<aioplace>and now i got 32 bit
15:43<aioplace>how to return back?
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15:43<fustercluck>that's life ....
15:44<aioplace>how to get back?
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15:44<Inpetto>Hi, can anyone help me out any further from this ;
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15:45<markybob>aioplace: you do dpkg --remove-architecture i386
15:46<aioplace>dpkg: error: cannot remove architecture 'i386' currently in use by the database
15:46<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, aioplace
15:47<fustercluck>proteine/ and first approache
15:48<fustercluck>yeah i know
15:48<aioplace><dpkg> how to returne back? because is in use
15:48<aioplace>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, aioplace
15:48<fustercluck>just ask to your friend
15:49<aioplace>yeah markybob answer and spkg
15:50<aioplace><markybob> aioplace: you do dpkg --remove-architecture i386
15:50<aioplace><aioplace> dpkg: error: cannot remove architecture 'i386' currently in use by the database
15:50<aioplace><aioplace> root@aioplace:/home/aioplace#
15:50<aioplace><dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, aioplace
15:50<aioplace><markybob> heh
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15:51<Doxin>I'm trying to get the gnu assembly preprocessor installed, but it's not exactly google-able. anyone got any pointers?
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15:52<blast007>aioplace: what do you mean by "i got 32 bit"?
15:52<aioplace>i mean i was on 64 bit now look on my update
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15:52<aioplace>Hit jessie/updates/contrib i386 Packages
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15:53<blast007>right, you told your system that you're wanting the capability to install 32-bit packages, so it's fetching both the i386 (32-bit) and amd64 (64-bit) package lists
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15:54<blast007>it has not replaced all your installed packages with 32-bit versions
15:54<aioplace>it's both?
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15:55<aioplace>i mean i still got 64?
15:55<blast007>what are you trying to accomplish?
15:55<markybob>aioplace: yes
15:55<markybob>aioplace: it's called multiarch
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15:55<aioplace>cool all the time before when i get this i reinstall os debian
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16:00<aioplace>What is the difference from command apt and apt-get?
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16:02<blast007>aioplace: read 'man apt' and it will tell you
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16:04<amacater>apt-get is an older command and more widely used. Apt has now become a way of installing packages just by typing apt
16:04<amacater>Read documents :)
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16:05<aioplace>that's make sense
16:05<aioplace>because was to long apt-get
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16:06<blast007>they serve different purposes/goals
16:07<blast007>which again, is covered in the man page
16:09*amacater is the person that named apt originally - apt-get was the command most used. Apt as a command on its own is relatively recent from version 1.0 onwards, I think
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16:11<aioplace>I get it ;) thanks
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16:14<markybob>petn-randall: no. letsencrypt for example says 2048.
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16:32<petn-randall>markybob: no need to crosspost :)
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16:42<markybob>petn-randall: i didn't mean to post here. accident (irssi)
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16:43<petn-randall>markybob: no prob :)
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17:41<petn-randall>grove: on stable?
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17:46<grummund>petn-randall: on jessie and upgraded to latest
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18:01<hv9>Hello! :)
18:01<musca>hello hv9
18:03<hv9>could anyone help me out here. In my /var/log my user.log.1 and messages.1 take up 20G each
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18:05<blast007>hv9: are there certain messages that are happening excessively in them?
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18:07<hv9>blast007: Im unable to open the files to determine that. But the file size is not increasing.
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18:07<blast007>well, no, because the .1 means the files have been rotated away from user.log and messages by the logrotate program
18:08<blast007>so I'd imagine that it's still happening to 'user.log' and 'messages'
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18:10<hv9>but then the amount of free space available in the disk seems to be not increasing.
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18:10<hv9>not decreasing*
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18:11<hv9>is it safe to delete these files? Would it break anything?
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18:12<blast007>you'd probably want to figure out why it's happening. Can you inspect the files with something like this? tail -n 500 /var/log/messages.1 | less
18:12<fustercluck>have we someone here , for math ?
18:13<abrotman>fustercluck: Again, this is a channel for Debian support
18:14<abrotman>hv9: yes, you can remove them, and then type 'sync'
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18:19<hv9>Feb 17 12:51:07 hv9 /etc/gdm3/Xsession[1274]: s>ss>ss>ss>ss>ss>s (a lot of >ss>ss> ) this message seems to be repeating a lot
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18:22<hv9>anyway Im removing them. Thanks blast007 and abrotman
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18:25<gas>Hello all. Does Debian have an image browser with functions similar to Explorer from Windows? In particular I'm missing ability to manually reorder the images inside a directory and generated thumbnails for directories.
18:29<Marillion>gas: if you using KDE then use "Konqueror", but it works without KDE if you want
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18:32<gas>Marillion: does it allow manual reordering of thumbnails? Does it generate thumbnails for "folders"?
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18:32<gas>The web page ( is brief...
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18:33<Marillion>gas: i'm not sure, but i believe
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18:34<gas>Marillion: the dependencies list is daunting :) (I'm on XFCE) but I'll try anyway.
18:34*Marillion does't use KDE or anything of them
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18:37<kacper>hello ;)
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18:39<fustercluck>hello :)
18:39<hv9>hey kacper
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18:42<kacper>Any pl?
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18:43<Marillion>dpkg: tell kacper about poland
18:43<Marillion>dpkg: tell kacper about polish
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18:45<kacper>about? ;d
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18:49<gas>Well, Konqueror can generate previews for folders, but doesn't allow manual reordering.
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18:53<randomuser>when i update to testing or sid i get laggy gpu performance. running on an optimus laptop with intel hd 4400 and nvidia 920m
18:54<randomuser>but when staying on stable everything seems really smooth. any help?
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19:00<teatime>so, what you're saying is,
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19:00<teatime>stable is more stable, and unstable is less stable?
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19:01<Marillion>teatime: - explain the differents
19:02<JohnMH>I can't believe unstable would be less stable than stable!
19:02<randomuser>well, you have a point here. but i don't get why is that. i have not mentioned that this is happening with the open-source driver, i can't get nvidia/intel drivers working
19:02<randomuser>it's not about stability
19:02<teatime>Marillion: is it a serious question? 'cause I'll give a serious answer, if so
19:02<teatime>randomuser: forgive me, it was a legit question, but I couldn't resist.
19:03<teatime>I'm sure there's a good dpkg factoid for stable/testing/unstable
19:04<JohnMH>teatime's joke aside, unstable is actually pretty stable
19:04<JohnMH>many of us run sid all the time
19:04<Marillion>teatime: yes, i think you have the question misunderstood
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19:04<randomuser>teatime: no worries, i can just live with stable, but i'd like to have newer packages on my laptop. it's not a server anyway
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19:04<teatime>Marillion: testing and unstable/sid are not intended for end-users, although testing will often work fine, but there are times when even it is broken, and this is by design, and if you're going to run it you should know a bit about Apt and how to solve common problems.
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19:05<teatime>You really should not run unstable though w/o some expertise and a good reason i.e. developing debian packages.
19:05<teatime>at least, not if your system being available etc. is important to you.
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19:05<JohnMH>teatime: or have some common sense when updating..
19:06<teatime>JohnMH: I'm calling that know a bit about apt and resolving common problems.
19:06<teatime>like "OMG, aptitude wants to remove everything, should I let it?!"
19:06<Marillion>teatime: i know that, but the people often answer the wrong way
19:07<teatime>Marillion: oh, sorry; what did you mean?
19:07<randomuser>well, i'm trying to learn from debian so i can actually handle my os. haha i haven't notice something that weird during the upgrade
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19:08<Marillion>teatime: that unstable is pretty well using for all people
19:09<teatime>If you say so. but when you update from unstable you're saying, "OK, give me the developer's latest changes that may not have had *any* user testing yet."
19:09<teatime>IIRC, experimental is only used for things devs think *will* break stuff / be big changes other packagers need to deal with, or something, and most changes go directly to unstable first.
19:10<teatime>I'm probably wrong though and should have just linked an FAQ.
19:10<teatime>That testing and even unstable work so well, and that problems are usually easily recoverable, is a testament to the quality of Debian packages and metadata.
19:10<randomuser>actually i've tried testing first and had the same problem, upgraded to sid just to see if things are any better with that
19:11<teatime>I did have unstable break apt one time, iirc it broke Perl. and it was a huge PITA to fix.
19:11<teatime>but I mean, in almost 15 years, I suppose that's not a bad record.
19:12<teatime>new users though, try stable, find they need a newer version of something, and are like, ok I'll upgrade to unstable
19:12<teatime>and that's just a common mistake that will bring those people pain
19:12<teatime>they should use Ubuntu or something instead. (now is when I get stake-burned.)
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19:13<randomuser>teatine: so, whats's the other option in order to use plasma 5? i think that upgrading to testing is the most suggested way to do it
19:13<Marillion>teatime: debian has backports, it doesn't need to upgrade all packages to unstable
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19:14<teatime>you know, I have actually never used backports... for whatever reason...
19:14<teatime>but new users generally overlook it, too
19:15<teatime>randomuser: there are non-debian options... but testing isn't an evil thing to use, if you understand and accept the somewhat minimal risks.
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19:18<randomuser>teatime: i absolutely love debian's manifesto and philosophy, that's the reason that i really have dealt too many hours in order to learn how to make some things work.. of course i could use Mint or Ubuntu and no worries, but then what's the point of useing linux?
19:18<teatime>I agree, except that I don't really find Mint or Ubuntu to have less issues.
19:18<teatime>just newer package versions, as a rule
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19:20<randomuser>tried mint just to see if the same problem exists, and when i installed proprietary nvidia driver, everything worked like a charm. i could choose between nvidia and intel gpu. i think it's called nvidia-prime?
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19:21<teatime>the driver thing is a complicated issue
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19:22<Marillion>randomuser: why you want upgrade to testing/unstable? if your gpu performance on stable better?!
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19:23<randomuser>Marillion: just to use plasma 5 and have a bit newer package versions
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19:26<Marillion>randomuser: ok, then now you live with a bit newer bugs, or anything else ;) ( But i can understand your situation, but its a new project)
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19:32<randomuser>Marillion: right now i'm typing on stable (had to reinstall..broke too many things while attempting to install proprietary drivers :p). i don't mind if i have some bugs, but i can't stand the gpu drawback..and i don't get why is that happening. is intel driver so unstable in testing or something?
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19:33<apoc>Hi! What service handles dns queries on a vanilla Debian system?
19:34<teatime>apoc: what translates addresses into names? the resolver, which is built into the C library.
19:34<Marillion>randomuser: i'm not sure wgat is the reason why, but i believe some broken things in X userspace (i guessed)
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19:35<teatime>apoc: it uses files like /etc/hosts, /etc/nsswitch.conf, /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/gai.conf (if it exists), probably others I am not thinking of, directly.
19:35<apoc>teatime, so resolver of the C library uses the DNS server listed in /etc/resolv.conf to translate?
19:35<apoc>thank you very much for the information teatime!
19:36<teatime>and there's no local caching like in windows, unless you setup something for that. browsers tend to do their own caching though.
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19:37<randomuser>Marillion: thanks! so there should probably be a way to install proprietary drivers and get it working?
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19:40<Marillion>randomuser: the chance could be for better working with the proprietary drivers by there, but is your choice for a try
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19:42<randomuser>Marillion: oh forgot to mention that i've tried that a couple of times, even from nvidia's site, and (when on gnome) i end up with a white screen saying "oops! something went wrong". so, the only option was ctrl+alt+f4 to revert nouveau
19:44<Marillion>randomuser: use the packages from debian, NOT from nvidia's itself
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19:44<teatime>yes, there's a debian way to do it that's not awful and won't break your stuff
19:44<randomuser>Marillion: tried that before the packages on nvidia's site and had the same result
19:44<teatime>the installer from will break your stuff
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19:45<teatime>randomuser: do you have both an onboard intel GPU and a discrete nvidia gpu?
19:46<randomuser>teatime: yes, optimus user here
19:46<Marillion>randomuser: hm, ok, then i've no idea, what are the next step you can try
19:47<teatime>dpkg: nouveau?
19:47<dpkg>The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for Nvidia GPUs (Riva, TNT, GeForce, Quadro). Nouveau <DRM> is part of the Linux kernel, the display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (read its README.Debian file for important notes). Install the libgl1-mesa-dri package for 3D acceleration. #nouveau on
19:47<teatime>you might try that channel, I have no idea, for general tips
19:47<teatime>perhaps your X is only using the intel GPU by default?
19:47<randomuser>Marillion: haha ok, thanks for your help!
19:47<Marillion>randomuser: no problem
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19:48<teatime>nouveau is the open-source built-in driver for nvidia cards.
19:48<randomuser>teatime: i'm gonna try that channel also, thanks! and yes it's using intel gpu by default
19:50<mrrhq>Doesn't work with every Nvidia card though.
19:50<randomuser>lspci | grep "VGA" only shows the intel one
19:50<Marillion>mrrhq: that was NOT the question in here ;)
19:53<moriatu>off tropic: Hi, I just installed Debian 3 days ago for the first time in my life, and I love it... I feel free, stuck with some other OS too long.. Thank you all <3 <3 <3 and have a nice day/evening.
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19:57<Marillion>nice kidding
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19:59<musca>welcome in the community, moriatu
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20:01<randomuser>teatime: the reason i got involved with nouveau is that i installed nvidia proprietary driver when i tested mint on my system, and i had the option to switch between intel and nvidia in nvidia's control panel, so..
20:02<randomuser>just trying to figure it out
20:03<somiaj>randomuser: have you looked into bumbleebee? I think that is what mint is using
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20:05<randomuser>i've checked bumblebee, but in mint i was able to switch between the two gpus from nvidia's control panel, not by running "optirun <program>" in terminal
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20:17<grantwu>Hi, I'm having some trouble verifying a tarball on Jessie. Specifically, I'm following, the error I got is
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20:24<randomuser>somiaj: *my previous message was intended to answer yours
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20:56<somiaj>randomuser: I don't know enough about the optimus hardware. You may have to figure out what mint does if you want to try to reproduce it in debian. It could be you need newer drivers or software that is not shipped with debian stable.
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20:59<randomuser>somiaj: from the search that i did, it seems that i need nvidia 350 driver in order to make it work. but i couldn't find a way to make it happen (in sid )
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21:00<JohnMH>Hello, OBNet users.
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21:00<somiaj>,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
21:00<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.125-1; wheezy-proposed-updates/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.96-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.96-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 352.79-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 352.79-1; sid/non-free: 352.79-3; experimental/non-free:
21:00<somiaj>randomuser: you can now get 352.79 in jessie-backports and in sid
21:01<somiaj>(though this may have not been the case when you last tried)
21:01<JohnMH>I'm sorry about that
21:01<JohnMH>This client had weird commands
21:03<randomuser>somiaj, judd: this is the one i've used but no luck
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21:14<Marillion>randomuser: some nicks are BOT services like dpkg,judd and debhelpers....
21:16<randomuser>Marillion: oops, didn't notice that judd wasn't an actual user! first time using irc
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21:18<JohnMH>randomuser: Technically, judd is a real user
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21:20<randomuser>JohnMH: i think i got it, thanks!
21:21<Marillion>randomuser: You're welcome
21:22<JohnMH>Marillion: Don't you love technicalities?
21:22<JohnMH>I know that I do
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21:23<Marillion>JohnMH: i can't follow you
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21:25<Marillion>judd is Ultimate Debian Database bot, why that people do thanks a BOT - it weird thing
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21:26<JohnMH>Marillion: I thank bots that I write all the time
21:27<randomuser>thanks everyone for the help today! it's so unique to actually see that a user can be so close to the whole community and get help from them. i think i'll try again tomorrow cause it's too late right now
21:27<randomuser>to everyone*
21:28<Marillion>JohnMH: to say thank you for real people is fair enough, but to a BOT - crazy ;)
21:28<JohnMH>Marillion: I thank NickServ every now and then1
21:28<JohnMH>NickServ is a very helpful bot
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21:40<Marillion>JohnMH: is a awesome feature (BOTs), but not more ...anyway, lets go to the next ontopic discussion
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21:44*judd appreciates being thanked too
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22:20<Texou>how can I know wether a package I installed 2 years ago is in main, contrib or non-free?
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22:28<rudi_s>Texou: apt-cache policy packagename
22:28<rudi_s>(But that only works if the package is still in Debian.)
22:28<rudi_s>(If you want to check where it came from, check )
22:29<Texou>hmm ok
22:29<Texou>I check thanks
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22:37<rmx77>ello there
22:37<rmx77>what goes
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